The Breakfast Club - Terence Crawford Dethrones The Breakfast Club, Talks Tank, Canelo Álvarez, + Errol Spence Rematch

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

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Morning, everybody. It's TJ, MV, Charlamagne, the guy. Yo, Bud wanted to sit there. Bud wanted to sit in your seat. Bud wanted to sit in your seat. And he said, if you want him to move, you gotta make a move. Nope, nope, nope. He right where he need to be. Bud said he wanted to sit in your seat, and if you want him to move, make a move.

That's what he said. He's right where he needs to be. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the champion, Terrence Crawford, ladies and gentlemen. Charlamagne, would you like to say anything? I mean, I gave myself donkey of the day. Oh, apologize. He said apologize for a wrong sports pick. And say you a loser.

Say it all. Listen, I don't know if an apology is necessary, but I was dead wrong. Say you're sorry for being dead wrong. I apologize. I apologize for picking Earl Spence over you. He picked Earl Spence way before. Way. Early on.

I did. The most impressive thing about the fight was everything that I thought, everything I thought Earl Spence, everything I thought Earl Spence would do to beat you, you neutralized it. Right. Like every single thing. Took away his jab, his size didn't matter, you were clearly stronger, you hurt him.

And I asked you, I said, how you feel that he's stronger than me? But that was before I saw the video you deadlifting three, how much was that, 400 pounds? Like four something. Four something, I saw the video you deadlifting. How much was that? 400 pounds? Like four something. Four something. I didn't know you.

I really didn't know that you had that type of thing. He slept on you, Terrence. Man, shut up. You ain't watch boxing. I'm a casual boxing fan. I see that fight. But let me ask you a question.

I know it seemed like it felt good because you had so many doubters and so many haters, people that didn't believe in you. So did you feel like that was your time? That's not true. He was up in Vegasgas could you let this brother talk that's vegas yeah but there's plenty of people did you feel like there was a lot of people that doubted you

hated on you especially from the culture absolutely you know there's there there was a a lot of people doubting me and saying the same thing that he was saying because i'm pretty sure he didn't base his opinion off of his own knowledge he based his opinion off of what people were saying oh no no that was based off what i saw so yeah but you know when you start seeing this and this and this and everybody keeps saying oh well he's big he's strong and everybody keeps saying, oh, well, he's big, he's strong, and everybody keeps saying that. And then you see them fight, you know, then you're like, all right, well, this dude is big and strong. So you start believing the hype, you know.

So he didn't do his own homework, just like everybody else. So then you get a lot of people in the comments. You get a lot of people, you know, on social media. You get a lot of people in interviews. They say, oh, well, Terrence Small, because I'm skinny. He's small, he's little, he's coming from 135. And they go with that narrative, you know. And then when the fight happened, then everybody, they shocked,

they surprised, they like, man, wow. But not giving me the credit for knocking out every opponent that I faced in the welterweight division. Was it an easy fight for you? I wouldn't say it was easy because, you know, I trained so fucking hard for that fight, you know, and I put the work in. And it may look easy on TV, but there's a lot that goes into fighting.

I mean, you were screaming at other people in the middle of your fight. You were screaming at Jamel Charlo, man. Charlo, he were screaming at other people in the ring in the middle of your fight. You were screaming at Jamel Charlo, man. Charlo, he was screaming at other people, too. You just seemed like you knew you had this from the door. Oh, yeah, definitely. I was in my moment. Like I said, I'm going to embrace it. I'm going to live in it, and I'm going to capture it.

You have to admit this was your best performance ever in the ring. I wouldn't say that. I would say it's my best performance against the level of competition that it was because I feel I had a lot of great performances that I was slept on. You know, a lot of

people say, oh, well, he looked good in that fight, but this guy, they just always discredit me, you know, for my performances. Alright, well, this guy was this or this guy was that or that guy wasn't on his level so given the performance that i had against a level of competitor like errol spence then that's when everybody uh give me my respect now so is this a revenge tour are you just gonna go around to all the media outlets who said that uh earl he should say i was going to win and make him apologize

nah man i just want to you know what i mean see your face because you was one of the main people you know not the last time but way when i first came on here like i've always thought earl oh not not not discrediting you in any way just just saying I always thought Earl would win if y'all fought each other. Yeah, so I just had to see your face, you know, sit in your chair and make you appreciate greatness that's sitting next to you. How's life been

since the fight, though? Oh, it's been cool. Do you feel like your household name now, boxing-wise? I feel like I am. I became that in that one night, but I should have been, you know, where I am now. But things happen for a reason. Some things I just wouldn't change, but some things I would change. But, you know, I'm just happy and blessed that I'm able to, you know, get to this point where we at right now. Well, the rematch happened sooner or later. And, I mean, I know you heard the commentary after the fight,

even like Stephen A. Smith believes Errol should retire. What's your thoughts after fighting him, you know? Well, I don't think he should retire. I think he should take a little time off, you know, get his mind right and, you know, get back in the gym and get back focused. Because, you know, I never took a loss in a professional rankings, but I know how that can affect you mentally, you know, being at this high level and losing the way you lost.

You know, you start questioning yourself. You start asking yourself certain questions. Do I still got it? Am I getting old? Am I slipping? You start asking yourself all different type of questions that you got to answer. So I just, you know, would tell him, you know, you're a great fighter. Take a little time off and come back and, you know, do it again.

Have you spoke to him? Have you spoke to him after? No, I sent him a text message. Sent him a text message to check up on him. Did he reply? Yeah, he replied. Like I told everybody, I don't hate Errol Spence. Like, I'm a fan of Errol Spence.

Like, you know, it was just business at the end of the day. I know he has a rematch clause, but if it was up to you, like you, if you had to pick whether or not he got a rematch would you want him to have a rematch would you give him a rematch of course of course you know because i felt like he was a big factor in this fight getting made like i told like i said you know without him you know uh well both of us coming together you know uh and we was to leave everything to our handlers and promoters and advisors, managers, this fight would never happen. I feel like it was me and Errol Spence like, all right, you want this? All right, cool. You want that? All right, cool. I'm cool with this.

You cool with that, you know, And us two putting our pride to the side and just coming together and making this event happen. What are some things about your new found fame that you don't like? I haven't got to that point yet. I'm still chill, I still do the same thing that I've been doing before the fight. I still do the same routine.

I ain't changed up nothing. I ain't on a high horse. I don't feel like I'm something different just because I won the fight. So nothing has really changed for me. Why do you think people doubted you the way that they did? Like, I look back. Why do you keep saying that?

I'm going to say that because a lot of people did. It wasn't that type. It wasn't that level of doubt in no way, shape no it wasn't a lot of people did but i was gonna even like you know even listening to shakur stevenson right and him saying that he thought he was great he thought he was the nicest until he fought you and then when after he said he sparred with you he was like damn there's a lot that i need to work on why do people feel that way uh when they enter in with me i just think you just think, you know, my experience, you know, my level of competition that I've faced that led me to, you know, overcome adversity. You know, when I'm in the ring, I'm a thinker, man.

So you can be more athletic than me. You can be faster than me. You can be stronger than me. You can be faster than me you can be stronger than me you can be more powerful but I'm gonna find a way to get the advantage over you because I'm out thinking boxing is a thinking man sport so the number one thing that I have over a lot of fighters is my mind the way I think the way I capitalize on your mistakes, the way that when you do something wrong, you know, I recognize it and I make you pay, you know, so when I'm in there with Shakur,

you know, it's a chess match, you know, because Shakur is a thinking man as well, so it's definitely a chess match, and that's something that I love, he love, because now we got to be creative. We got to go in that bag and be like, man, I can't do this with him because it's not going to work. So now I got to get more creative to get a little advantage over him because we both competitive.

Neither one of us wanna let the other one get anything off. So, you know, that's probably what he's alluding to. Did you carry Earl a couple rounds, man? No, Earl, Earl. I feel like you could've got, and I love Earl, but I feel like you could've got him out there a little bit earlier.

It looked like you let off, especially in the eighth round. No, man, you gotta understand, man. Earl's a great fighter. He's very strong. He's got the heart of a lion, and he's very tough. He just keeps getting up. He's like, man, I'm not giving up.

I don't care what you do. I'm going to keep getting up, and I'm going to keep fighting. So, you know, yeah, he did what he had to do to uh last uh the time that he lasted you think the ref should have stopped it yes the ref did stop it right yeah but you think he should have stopped it at that time because even when he stopped the arrow was you know put his hands up like I'm still going do you think that was the time to stop oh yeah for sure but I think that his his his corner should have stepped in in the seventh

round you know i feel as if you know they believed in arrow but at the same time they should have saved the fighter from himself because this fighters we're gonna keep fighting till there's no fight left but at the point where you know they see that there's no possible way for him to win, now they bankin' on somethin' lucky. Knockout. Dramatic to happen. That can cause for serious damage and wanna get hurt in a way where they can't come back from.

Were you concerned about that? Because there's been these rumors that neurologically something is off with Earl. So were you concerned about that as you were fighting him like did you see any of that in the ring no no not not at all you know because when i'm in the ring i'm i'm in kill mode you know uh it's not my job to let up you know it's my job to hurt you because we in a hurt game and if I was in that situation he would be thinking the same now afterwards yeah I'm gonna be like damn you know I'm feel sorry for you I'm check up on you because at the end of the day we all doing it for the same reason to take care of our family and provide for our little ones.

He got a beautiful family that I would never want to take him away from. So, yeah, I just wish him well. And it's pretty much how it go. So what you going to do next? Because Jamel Charlo is getting his script of his belts. And I know you wanted that to become, what, undisputed champion in three divisions, right? Right. So when that happens, what you going do next? Cause Jamel Charlo is getting his script of his belts. And I know you wanted that to become what? Three, three undisputed champion in three divisions, right? Right.

So when that happens, what you gonna do? Who you wanna fight now? I don't know. I'm just sitting back exploring my options. Is Jamel off the table for good? If he don't have the belt? No, no, not at all. I hope he come back and him and Tim Zoo fight

and I fight the winner. But I really, you know what I mean, want to fight him. So is that the end game? Like, let me get the belt to become the Undisputed Champion in this division, and then that's it? Could be. What about Boots? Boots is the mandatory.

He's calling you out now. I don't have it. Listen, right now in my career, a lot of people like, Boost this, Boost that, Boost this. You know, fighting Boost is a lose-lose situation. in my career, a lot of people like boost this, boost that, boost this. Fighting boost is a lose-lose situation. I win, they're going to say, oh, well, he was young.

He wasn't ready. He was talented. He was skillful. But you got the experience over him. You got, you know, so much more than this kid that never been tested before, you know, because we always seen him win and fly in color. A fashion way, you know, to where we say, oh, man, he's cold, he's skillful, but he's never been in the ring with nobody to test him.

So me fighting boots would be like, okay, well, you be boots. It's not a mega fight. It's going to sell a little bit because of your name and what you just accomplished. But now what? I'm looking for big challenges. I'm trying to go up and wait and fight charlo you know because that's that's something that's history in the making it's it's a lot at stake you know there's nothing really at stake with fighting boots you know i'm at the tail end of

my career and i'm trying to make things make sense. So is it about just the money? Definitely. Okay. 100% about the money. Not taking anything away from Boots, but, you know, where I am at in my career right now, I didn't fuck my ass off to get to where I am. And I deserve to do whatever the fuck I want to do.

And I don't care what nobody say, how anybody feel, or any of that. You know, fuck them. Do you see the comparisons when they say Crawford in his prime versus Mayweather in his prime, who would win? What do you think about those comparisons? Well, yeah, man, I respect it. I respect it.

A lot of people always, well, Ben asked me, you know, what I think. And I always say, you know, Terrence Crawford against anybody. I'm not going to say one man would do anything with me, but I respect the hell out of Floyd. He's been a fighter that I've looked up to his whole career ever since I was a little kid, you know, and he paved the way for a lot of us fighters. So I got to always pay homage to the OG, you know and uh he paved the way for a lot of us fighters so i gotta always pay homage to

the og you know i mean and uh it's great that my name has been mentioned with with the greats now at the welterweight division like floyd sugar ray leonard and you know duran and tommy hearns and those those fighters so i'm getting my just due. What media personalities motivated you for the Earl fight? Like, who were the people that you couldn't wait to go see other than me? I saw you called a guy retarded at the end of the fight. Oh, man. Listen, man, there's so many of them because, you know,

you got these bandwagon people that's jumping on the bandwagon. And no disrespect to Arrow. No disrespect for them having their own opinion. You know, but if you in the boxing game and you covering boxing as a whole, you know, you should just be neutral. Let's clean up the sport. Let's call it how it is.

Let's not just call it because you like this one fighter and, you know, you don't like this other fighter because he won't give you an interview because you biased. You know, call it how it is. You know, be neutral. And, you know, I think that's what the sport needs because there's a lot of casual fans that really don't know nothing about boxing they just watch boxing just to you know get some excitement and entertainment and you

putting out false information or you misleading them and then that's where a lot of you know things happen and then you'd be like, man, you don't know what you're talking about because you're just saying what you heard and what you heard is false. So it's a lot of, you know, boxing little podcasts and blogs that always put out negative information of Terrence Crawford, you know, just because they were Errol Spence fans. And I, you know, I fed off of that, though. But you and Errol was a pick-me, though. Yeah.

Yeah, you could have went either way. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It becomes, you know, it could be a pick-me, you know. Call it how you call it, you know. But at the same time time don't discredit one fighter because you like another fighter so you're trying to take all the way all his accolades away because you like this fighter you're trying to put false information out on this fighter because you want to you know get this fight all the attention and all the recognition and stuff like that don't do that you know i mean like hey this fighter i think you know he got the edge because

it is but this fighter is a great fighter as well because he accomplished this don't say oh well he's not fighting nobody he he's fighting washed up opponents all the only reason why he beat this guy is because you because he was damaged good because Errol Spence already beat him and this and that and that. There's no need to do that. When me and Errol fight, then we gonna see who the better man is

and that's what we did on the 29th. What you did to Errol though, I didn't expect Errol to do that to you. But I didn't expect Earl to do that to you. But I didn't expect you to do that to Earl either. I don't think nobody expected what we saw that night. A lot of people say that. A lot of people say the same thing that you say. Nobody expected it.

That's what's so great about it. Did you expect that? In your mind when you envisioned the fight, did you think it was going to go that way? Not at all. Not at all. I didn't even expect it to go how it went. But we train for the moment. You know, we live in the moment.

When they ask me, you know, about the fight, I always say, when I win, because I believe in myself. When I become undisputed. You know, it wasn't no second guessing. It wasn't no thinking. I was telling people, when I become undisputed. You know, it wasn't no second guessing. It wasn't no thinking. I was telling people when I win, when I become undisputed, because I really believe that and I really feed off of the negative energy, the negative attention, the negative comments, the nonbelievers,

you know, the people that said I was too small, the people that said I wasn't going to be able toievers you know the people that said i was too small the people that said i wasn't gonna be able to you know stand his body shots and and so forth so i fed off of that so when i was in training and i'm tired and i'm i don't want to do it no more i think all them comments i think about the people that's in the comments that really really don't mean nothing. You know, when I go looking under my pictures and everybody, oh, man, you scared to fight Errol Spence. You this, you that. So I replay all that in my head,

and I just, you know, it just boosts me and give me more energy, and I'm like, okay. Didn't I say that? I said every time you hit Earl, it felt like he was hitting me. I said that. It felt personal. It did.

It felt like you was getting something off your chest in that moment. Oh, yeah, for sure. Man, that was definitely a fight where, you know, like I said, after the fight, I felt relieved because now it's behind me. You know, when I got my kids asking me, you going to fight that Spencer guy? You know, then I know it hit home. So it's like, man, this dude got to fight that Spencer guy? You know, then I know it hit home.

So it's like, man, this dude got to fight. So I always try to do everything in my power and in my will to make the fight happen. And the media blame me. Out of all people, they always blame me. Oh, Terrence Crawford don't want to make the fight. Terrence Crawford ducking. Terrence Crawford this. Terrence Crawford that. But it never was Errol Spence.

It never was, you know, PBC. It was always Terrence Crawford top rank, Terrence Crawford top rank. So by default, I was always the blame. So, you know, once the fight got made, you know, I was just like, finally. Now we get to show the world, you know, what they've been waiting on. And it was great because it was for all the belts. You know, so that's why I told everybody it's happening at the best time. Because if we would have fought sooner, it probably wouldn't have been as big.

It probably wouldn't have meant as much because we was fighting for two belts. So now what? Where do we go from here? Do we fight this guy? Do we fight that guy? Now what? I mean, everybody keeps bringing up Canelo. I think that's weird, you know,

because you'd have to gain, like, what, 20 pounds? Yeah. But they say that's the money fight. That's the mega fight. That's the money fight. That's the only thing that makes sense for Terrence Crawford.

Well, you know, I mean, catch weight. We can do something out of catch weight. What weight you think? Probably, like, 160 or something. You said 154

is the highest you want to go. Yeah, 158. 160, that'd be cool. Also, I see, what was that conversation when you called Eminem to have Eminem bring you out? Because that was a surprise to people. That was dope. You know what I mean?

I was just talking about, you know, what should I come out to? And I was just thinking of all artists. And every song that I come out to got meaning to it for that moment when I'm fighting. And I was just thinking, I was like, dang, man, you know what would be dope? Eminem. I don't think he never walk nobody out. He don't really never go nowhere. He never go outside.

So I was just like, man, that would be great for this great moment. And for him to reply on my Instagram and say that he was a big fan. I was one of his favorite fighters. I was like, oh, shit. You know what I mean? You get surprised and stuff like that when you're a fan of somebody and they're a fan of yours, but you of somebody and they're a fan of yours but you don't know they're a fan of yours and you're like damn word all right pull up like he really

pulled up you told him to pull up and he pulled up right like let's do it i'm like damn this is dope so like everything leading up to the fight you know i felt as if it was my moment. I'm normally a laid-back type of dude, calm, cool, collective. But when I went on that stage for the weigh-ins, I felt like it was my show. I'm like, I'm here. Yeah, the little weigh-in plan. Yeah, I'm here. You know what I'm like, I'm here. Yeah, the little Wayne plan. Yeah, I'm here. You know what I mean? It took so long for me to get here, but the energy that I felt in that moment,

I'm like, this my show. I'm taking over. There's nothing he can do to stop me. And I just felt that way in my heart and my soul, like, this my show. It can say Spence Crawford. He can be the A-, like, this my show. It can say Spence Crawford. He can be the A-side, but this my show. Do the local rappers from Omaha get upset?

Like, man, why you didn't bring one of us up? Nah, everybody always asks that, but, you know what I mean? Like, you tell them, like, the song picked me. I don't ever pick the song. Like, I be in the gym, and, you know, I listen to a variety of music. I mean, from country to gospel to rap to R&B, all different type of music, jazz. And I put it on shuffle, and I hear a song, and I be like,

dang, that's the song. They be like, what? I'm like, I'm coming out to that. Look at, you know what I mean? I didn't turn the crowd for walking out to a gospel song and then beating your ass. How would that feel? Hey, it is what it is. Can we stop?

It ain't the song. You know what I mean? It's the individual. A lot of people are like, let me walk you out. What you gonna walk me out to? Like, no, that don't fit the bill. You know, you talking too much about robbing, stealing, killing, and shooting.

You know what I mean? Like, that ain't what I'm standing for right now. Canelo versus Charlo, September 30th. Who you got? I got Canelo. I think it's going to be a good fight. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Charlo, but he's skillful.

He's big. He's bigger than Canelo. Even though Canelo at a higher weight, I think Canelo going to be stronger than him. I think Canelo going to be more powerful than him, but at the same time, I think Charlo got the boxing skills to make it a competitive fight.

He uses jab, straight punches, and don't get caught up with all the feints and stuff that Canelo throw. I think it would be competitive. Canelo versus Crawford at 158. Who wins? Crawford? Come on, man. Hey, listen.

What do you think, Charlo, man? What do you think? Hey, man, I don't know think you want to make a prediction again that's one of them ones but I'm just going to sit back and watch it and we already had it he'll come back to get you again 158 that's the fight though

that's the fight there's nobody else out there for you when we're talking mega fights and where you are now who else would make sense. Yeah. Have there been talks? Has the conversation started?

No, you know they already focused on what they got in front of them. That's Jamel. So I would never try to interfere in what they got going on right now. How many more fights do you think you got left? If you had to guess. You'd be what? You'd be about to be 37? 36? 36. 36? guess. You'd be what? You'd be about to be 37? 36?

36. 36? Okay. Two? Three? I don't know, man. I'm healthy as can be. Yeah.

I'm healthy as can be, man. I probably can fight till I'm like 45. But at the same time, I always said I wanted to retire at 33. I always said I wanted to retire from boxing. I never wanted boxing to retire at 33. I always said I wanted to retire from boxing. I never wanted boxing to retire me. You know, so I always looked at all the old fighters and, you know, felt bad because a lot of them made a lot of money, a lot of money. It was great, you know, but we walking in the same room,

nobody noticed him. They talking with Slur and they really can't hold a conversation with you because of the damage that they accumulated in boxing. And I'm like, man, I never want to be like that. I want to be able to enjoy my fruits from my hard labor. I want to be able to go outside and play basketball with my kids. I wanna be able to tell my story without somebody else telling it because I can't speak.

So yeah, boxing has definitely been good to me. And I'm a retire on top. How do you not lead with ego? Like if you hear somebody like Tank say, 147, I knock butt out. Well, he just talking. You know, he got the confidence in himself that he believe that he can do that

because he's been knocking all these fighters out that he's been in the ring with. You know, so no knock to Tank, and knocking all these fighters out that he's been in the ring with. No knock to Tank, but there's definitely levels. And if he come up to 147, and he's thinking he's just gonna knock Terrence Crawford out, got another thing coming. So that's the fight you would make happen? If he wanted to come up to 147?

Yeah, I'd stay at 147 for him. That's a big money fight. That's a big fight, yeah. It's a big money fight. Yeah. So Spencer. But then what? Everybody gonna say he was too small.

Nobody gonna give me credit. They gonna say, oh man, you beat up a little guy that's fight at 135. Yeah, tank like five five you know little guy you know uh yeah he can punch but in his weight class not saying that he can't punch in any weight class because he he punch punching and we see that you know but what type of recognition i'm gonna give for you know beating up on a lot of people don't know 135 147 is a big jump you know that's almost 20 pounds well 20 22. 12 12 12 yeah 12 12 pounds you know so

that's a big jump so for you it's all about legacy and money at this point 100% not too much out there for you my legacy

is already set in stone yeah you know before when you look at my career I was already you know going to the Hall of Fame

without Spence without Spence I'm already flying in the sunset of Fame without Spence. Without Spence. I'm already flying in the sunset. That's the only thing that I didn't accomplish yet is the Hall of Fame. There's nothing in boxing that Terrence Crawford haven't accomplished. Yeah, I mean, you made history. You're undisputed two-division champion. I'm talking about without Spence.

Yeah, yeah mean, you made history. You're undisputed two-division champion. I'm talking about without Spence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? So now that that fight have happened, and now that I made history again, you know, now what? It's about the money, man. It's Spence Crawford to a mega fight. I don't know if that's a mega fight anymore, but that's your fault.

It's what it is, man. We're going to figure it out. That's one thing we is going to do. We're going to figure it out, and if not, then, you know, it is what it is. I have my moment. So what are you doing

for the next months? How are you spending your time? Oh, man, I'm just chilling, man, with my family. You know, that's pretty much it. I'm going to go on a little vacation. That's pretty much it. I don't really do too much.

I try to take a fishing trip. I love to fish. I'm going to try to go deep sea fishing or something like that. Wait on Canelo at 158. That's the fight. Canelo Crawford, 158. Or Crawford Canelo, you know, 158. That's the fight. Canelo Crawford 158. Crawford Canelo, you know, 158. That's the fight.

Who you got, Ray? I'm just going to sit back and observe. Now you shut up. I'm going to sit back and observe. We'll see next time he comes. He's probably going to take your chair again. The champ can sit in the chair. The champ can sit in the chair. The champ can sit in the chair.

For sure, for sure. Well, I appreciate you for coming and joining us. Appreciate you so much. I still offered you. I ain't got $30 million, but if you take a little extra, you're just going to chin check it one time. Why would he punch somebody for free at this point? It makes no sense at this point.

One time. It just might be gratification one time. He's the champ. He's the guy. We know this already. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it's Terrence Crawford. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Thank you, brother. Had enough of this country?

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