The Breakfast Club - The Battle of the Braxtons Recap

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

The Black Effect Presents... Reality with the King! Reigndrops, Carlos, Dustin, and Claudia are back with a brand-new recap series as Season 2 of The Braxtons returns. Family business is messy, and this season is no different. The trio breaks down all the drama and debates whether the show needs a new formula. PLUS, Claudia's lawyer pops in for a surprise cease-and-desist message. Why? Listen to find out!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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is type 2? Extremely. Listen to health stuff on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, look, Ray Jobs, you have the three of us on a Friday night. First of all, happy

Halloween. We're not a costume. No. But what's up, boo? Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Hey, candy is like $15 a bag are y'all giving these little motherfuckers any candy this year or no

right are you even opening the door so back in the day the way that it used to work that I want to know if that's still the case the porch light has to be on in order for that that's the welcoming sign okay it should be

but they don't give a fuck you know all rules and traditions are going out of the window they'll ring the doorbell and bang on it with the lights off they don't care no more these days. My front door is really scary. It's like a 12 foot high, like iron door where it has black glass where I can see them

and they can't see. Like, if I don't have the lights on the inside, like walking up to my house is really scary. Maybe I might just mess with the kids a little bit and then just like, you know, scare them. I don't know. You should. You should. I do. I'll film it and I'll share it with you guys on Monday. That door is beautiful before I remember it. You just made me think about it. I remember that door.

Thank you. I have to go to Dallas. is when i know no i have to make a trip i do miss having some one-on-one time of claudia i mean they say i beg you to hang out so i'm not going to say it anymore but like she's so thirsty who says that in the comments somebody that ain't even got your number yeah begging follows to hang out he don't want to hang with her begging for a job i'm like do you not know our sense of humor by now right no we all have a to the humor and that's why for Halloween I am Dustin Ross

You know Claudia So like You know I got my chain on or whatever And you know Fuck the motherfucker's calling me Justin and shit I'm gonna fuck nigga I don't really fucking comments

Dogg Because you know I'm the man And I got everything going on You know That's right So Ray Johns I am Dustin Ross for Halloween

I love it And I This is how I know I need somebody to play me in a movie Because I want to look at the screen the way Whitney used to be looking at people seeing her songs on stage. I want to do that

and that's what I felt just now, so I'm with that. There you go. All right. So for Halloween, that was Mia's Dustin. Claudia, be Carlos King for Halloween. Yes, bitch. Oh, my God. I love all the girls. Oh, I love everybody. And I am not going to talk about about anyone, even when they're wrong. Yes, bitch. Yes.

Mm-hmm. Oh, hold on. I got some Kim Wai. my teeth I am single out on these streets I don't ask me any questions but don't worry about who I was in Europe with but anyways yes are you ready are you ready mm-hmm mm-hmm and no and notifications yep yes notifications right now that's a show on Tuesday I'm not going to say who it is but yeah That was good. That was good. Ah, I, oh, I, Gloria, that was good. Okay, so, so Dustin, it's your turn to be Claudia.

Okay. Look, let me see what the comments are saying. I don't want to check it. According to the comments, they're saying it, I don't know. It's not looking like, I don't know. I'm just saying, I ain't saying, you know what I mean? I don't know. Just looking like, let me keep the comments are saying, well,

See, me personally, I don't know. Fuck that. Listen, if she doesn't want to go do the... That's my girl, part of it. Yes. That was good. Look, we'll do the real impressions when we go out. Okay?

Or instead of our new show. That's right. That'll be good, actually. No, that'll be good. That'll be good. And listen, it goes to show that as friends, we could do that. Like, that was actually funny. I love that.

Yes. And Claudia is right. Because on our show, we'll have a wardrobe budget for the holiday. So just think about the things we'll do for like Christmas, the things we'll do for the Halloween episodes. Just think about episodes because it's going to come back year after year, especially once we start snatching them trophies. So I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait to move to.

Yeah. Q1, Q1, Q1, Q1, yeah. And that city has good men. And that's why I have the best luck in that city. I'm not going to say the city, but that's the city I have, my, my, you know, I've had. Well, they tell you up front, the fruit is big. So, you know what I'm saying? Listen.

Not all the big apple. You know what? The fruit was definitely big there. I will say that. So, yes, very excited. And I love taking a bite out of the big apple. Yes. They also have good weed and good mushrooms.

See? What else do you need? Industry. We. men you know what I'm saying good shopping good Italian food good Indian food I'm trying to tell you

yeah lady Vance bring your wife on that note imagine being sandwich where you are in between two airies that that is what it feels like when you're around Claudia if you want to say you'd like to thank the academy after you get out from the middle and on it

okay a wet dream it should be for you You got a lot of fire around you and all. And I know everybody likes being rammed. You got two rams around you. That's right. Big horns. I like a good ramming. That's right.

Who don't like a ramming? Mm-hmm. Aries rammed. All capital letters like that truck. Ram. We got thick, earthy horns, too. You know what I mean? Like, we just, yes.

Can't even, fingers can't even touch when you put a round. Like when they can't, like when they can't go all the way around. Can't touch this. Okay. I hope you guys are joined your Fridays as much as the three of us are. But listen, don't be sad. We will be back on Monday. So you guys are on time, too.

I think we're going to be on time on Monday. We are going to be on time. Every Monday, maybe. We'll see how the week breaks us. But as announced this past Monday, due to the overwhelming demand, we are here to discuss the latest episode of the Braxton and just in general, discussing the season overall, this is the second, okay, season of the Braxton's.

Because prior to that, they had, I think, quadruple 10 seasons of the Braxton values, which is the longest running black family reality show in the world. So they took some time off. The show came back last year. This is season two of the Braxton's, and it features Tawanda, Tamar, Tony, and Trina. As we all know, the great Tracy has passed away. And rest and peace, Tracy.

And let's get right into it. Listen, the, this season is unhinged. It's like nothing I ever expected, anticipated. And to be honest, which you even wanted to see, you know, when it came to the Braxton, I'll speak for myself. I'll love to get your thoughts, obviously, guys. I fell in love with this show because how funny they were. Yep.

How they would sing a song on, at the drop of a dime, how they would have funny commentary when it comes to the mother. You know, they made up a song called The Dingling Song. They made up a song called Daddy. They made up songs on the spot. They were funny. And yes, there was always drama,

but it was never drama to the point of what I'm seeing this season. And it is very, very tough to watch. So, Dustin, I'll start with you. Sure. When you learned that this season was coming back, were you excited that you thought, okay, we're going to get back?

to what we were introduced to on the show, which is, look, a group of sisters who are talented, funny, have chemistry. Yes, they fight and argue like siblings do, but, you know, we now get to, like, laugh again. Well, listen, I was happy to see, to ask you a question, yeah, I was happy to see them return, right? But for a few, a bit different of a reason, these are black women who mean a lot to the world, mean a lot to the three of us, mean a lot to music, mean a lot to television now, right? And so I'm a person who, you know, I support the arts. I'm a patron.

I support the arts. So I want the show to continue. I want them to continue on making money and income and their own rights. And I want them to, I wanted to move forward, especially after the passing of Tracy. This show is literally titled after their family name. First, it was Braxton Family Values. Now it's called the Braxton's, similar to the change that keeping up what the Kardashians did when they switched from E to Hulu. and became the Kardashians versus keeping up with the Kardashians.

It's kind of the same pattern. But this ain't it. So I was happy to see them come back, but I was not happy with what I saw once they did come back. For years, we've seen rifts between the sisters. For years, we've seen them have challenges in trying to have a peaceful relationship with Tamar. Each of them individually have challenges with Tamar.

watched that we watched um tony flat out tell us hey if they were my not my sisters we probably would not be friends we've seen all these things and so after tracy passed away which was a devastating loss to them i have siblings you know um i would my i would be gutted carlos you have siblings claudia you do as well and so after tracy's loss you would think that they would be motivated by a desire to unify to find some sort of bridge and and bond even in this late stage in their lives, but they can't do it. And we can break down the reasons why as we move forward. But to answer your first question, yes, I was happy to see them come back.

Man, I didn't, I didn't watch a show before. I wanted, you know, I've had, you know, me and Tamar have had a very tumultuous relationship, but I'm happy to say that we're actually in a good place now. We spent a month together in a house shooting college, And she mentioned about this show that she's like, she wasn't fucking with it, she said. She didn't want to go back. She was just going to be like a friend in the show. And I was like, how can you be a friend?

Like, it's such a big part of it. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's, it doesn't seem like it'd be fun for any of them. Like, again, like I've mentioned before, reality being draining. This seems like 10 times more draining than it would be with people that you're not friends with, you know, like at least on a reality show with like housewise, whatever. You can actually separate, like when the four months of filming is up, It's like, bitch, I'll see you, right?

I'll see when we get renewed and I'm making several hundred thousand dollars, if not a million. With this, it's like it's ugly and then it's not over for them. Like they family events, funerals, weddings. I mean, I was invited to Tijuana's wedding and Tama wasn't. She wasn't there. I was like, it felt bad, you know? Like, I was like, damn. Like, and I wonder if because of the reality show making, you know what I mean?

stressing out the family dynamics that maybe wouldn't be there. They weren't, because everybody got to pop off a little bit extra for TV. Oh, I'm not about to let a bitch read me down, even if she is my sister, you know, and it was so ugly this episode. And then I went back and watched the episode before, and I'm like, I will say this, I really love me some Tony Braxton. I've always loved me some Tony Braxton. Yeah, the heavyweight.

The littlest one, talking about, I'm a heavyweight. Exactly. I like that. Yeah. I like the sister's piece. period. I'm sure we'll dig a little bit deeper. As you can see, Carlos is having some sort of technical difficulties right now, but he'll rejoin us shortly. And I, listen, I like the Braxton's, but the Braxton's have got to grow up at a certain point, okay? The childish antics that were

fun to watch in the beginning, like Carlos mentioned, singing them songs and telling stories and being playful, that kind of got old fast for me. Because these are not, we're not watching people in their 20s. We're not even watching people in their 30s. These are people in their 40s, late 40s, 50s in some cases. And so the playful nature of everything being a joke is just a little unrealistic at a certain point. And these women have very complex lives that they could easily feel, what is it, 48 minutes or however many minutes it is when a show is an hour long. they could easily fill up that time fill up those blocks with things to show and things to talk about but the focus seems to always be on the bullshit you know what i'm saying somebody always didn't piss somebody else to fuck off it's always a damn problem it's always some sort of disrespect or talking about somebody behind a damn back it's always that you know what i'm saying and when it's not that they're acting silly and so for me although i want to watch the show go on and on for forever, like it just lost a little bit of the connection for me, but I don't want it to

stop. I want it to still be available for people to watch. I just got sick of seeing that shit. It seems like they may love each other, but they don't like each other. Very much. They do not like each other. They can't stand each other in some regards. And there's like, I see a lot of what about me, what about my feelings and like, you're feeling, but what about my feelings and how you hurt me? And, you know, it's hard to see past that, like, to have someone else might be feeling if it's just like all about what you think what you tell and i was like i don't see this show how the show can go on with this level of animosity and this is what episode three four three three i believe i think this was three

okay let me see let me check that before we get to line yeah um it was episode four you're right it was four o'clock i went back and watch i watch my wife and watch three And I'm like, if every episode is no one's having fun, because imagine if, you know, what the producer is going through. If every episode, none of them are having fun, it's just on 10 arguing. I don't see how the show can continue. Yeah, Carlo's so sick of it. He got off the damn screen. Carlos, I think of these damn Braxton.

They cut off, see? So listen, the spirit definitely blocks you from that. So let's just get into what happened in this episode that. air tonight. So what we did see was the continuation of this sister's dinner. So at the sister's dinner, Tamar, who decided to bring on her brother's daughter. So I want to make sure you guys know that Ashley, their niece, is the daughter of their brother who has never been involved with the show. He may have seen him once or twice, maybe five times in the duration of both shows being on the air. His niece made post about something she experienced

in her childhood teenage years. I'm not sure exactly. She did allude to the fact that it was something in regards to an aunt's former husband. But I don't believe, I want to make sure legally I don't say the name because Ashley never said the person's name, right, Dustin? No, no, never said the name. No. but painted a colorful enough picture for us. Yes. So, yes. And Tamar decided to have her a part

of her live podcast to talk about it. Tamar received a cease and desist from the family attorney, according to Tamar. She walks into the dinner, she opens up a vanilla envelope. The ladies

are saying they did not authorize this. They had no idea. It was happening. They said their name wasn't on it. Tamar is live it because she said she was served at her doorstep, um, whereas the place that she lives with her, her minor child, Logan. And she's very hot. She's very heated. And from there, they're denying that they had anything to do with this. What I will say is this just to really talk about a cease and desist. Yes. Okay. A cease and desist is a form of documentation, it's a legal documentation, where you send that to prevent somebody from saying things, detailing things, repeating things that you believe is associated

with you that isn't true. And it's sort of like a, it's a threat of if you do proceed with this, I will take legal action. And legal action. And legal action. is a form of a lawsuit, okay? Which is why Tamar said, you guys are trying to impact my business. Claudia, what are your thoughts on that? Do you think that the sisters had no idea? And my sisters, I mean, Tony, Tawanda, and Trina, that those three had nothing to do with a cease and desist,

even coming Tamar's way, nor giving her address away when she said that her address is not even listed publicly. No, I think that someone knows but they're not going to say because they know her temper. They know it's going to be a big argument.

Like, who else would do it? You know what I mean? I will say, I've had to send cease and it says letters and it does have to trace back to a lawyer, right? And you contact the lawyer and you ask them, like who's this coming from? That's what they can, they have that right to ask. Yeah, I do think it's someone that...

Does the lawyer... Let's answer the question. Does the lawyer have the right to disclose who it came from? I'm not sure with the lawyers on that, but I've always had my lawyer say it with his chest. Yeah, tell that bitch is from me.

Yeah, it is... Like, yeah, it's for me. Like, why send it? You know, like... Because I think in the season since you have to, like, kind of say, like, I mean, in mine I've sent out, it's basically like, stop saying this

and give an example. of what they're saying that's like false or defamatory because you're threatening a cease and this is a warning shot for a lawsuit so you document that you try first and then before you proceed to a lawsuit right you tried first before you because you can't just come out the gate with a lawsuit you have to at least try to give them some kind of warning um yeah i don't know how they don't know who it's from because it's always been very clear who is from when when i've sent one out or when i've receive one. I got one when I was on Real House of Atlanta from your girl. But we weren't lying, so we paid it no mind.

Look at it. Look. I'm going to be closing. And that was bad. So much, look, look, Claudia, so much from that Halloween costume, right? Okay. I'm dust it tonight. Go ahead, dust it. So, okay, let's zoom out here, right? Number one, a cease and desist come and go every single day. When you work in media, when you work in the business of opinion, when you work in an area where people's information can be commodified in some sort of way and you have access to it and to disperse it, you are vulnerable to receive a cease and desist from somebody who didn't like what you had to say, right? That's something that happens. My question, before we tap further into that,

I have a producer question for you, Carlos. So do you believe that the cease and desist was issued from, it said it came, she said that by Xi, I meaning Tamar Braxton, said that the cease and desist came from their family, the Braxton family attorney, right? Yeah.

Is that deep, but, but. I couldn't find the date by CIA meaning Tamar Braxton said that the cease and desic. Siri had, um, activated on my computer anyway so do you think that the production company that the we tv the network or maybe some of the producers of the show wanted to interfere with that conversation taking place between tamar and her niece ashley brachston or do you think it would have had to come from one of the sisters listen that's a great question i emphatically do not believe that the production had anything to do with sending Tamar a cease and desist to stop this

from being the top of conversation. And the reason why I say that is because, I mean, number one, it's unethical. You don't get involved in altering the reality of something in a legal context. Secondly, they, the production company filmed Ashley talking to Tamar about this. When it comes to the cease and desist, look, I always look at things as, as behavior, right? right right um and and the disposition of folks when she said you guys have the family lawyer their reaction to it to me didn't seem like they didn't know they didn't know they were very calm about it um and the same way they were when kawanda made that allegation against tamar about sleeping with tony's one of tony's past boyfriends there was a very

even kill, you know, lack of reaction from the ladies. And I think that's kind of what you're referring to in this case. When she did mention the cease and assistant question the origin of it, nobody really said, I mean, I kind of think that's where you're going with this, right? Yeah, well, they didn't. Yeah, I would have said absolutely not. I didn't do that. Why would I?

So I always look at things what people are not always what they're saying, but what they're not saying because I would have been like, I would have never done that. And you also have to look at the show. They never fully addressed it. I've watched all four episodes. What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood,

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My lawyer is calling. I text them to ask him. Should I ask him on the air? Yes, go ahead. Please. Let him know he's being recorded. Chris. Hello.

I'm recording right now. I'm on air, so I just have to let you know. Okay. My question about cease and assist, like, can someone... Anybody. You don't have to be just a lawyer. Right, but say, so say I sent one to somebody, right? Can I do it anonymously or my name has to be on it or no?

No, you really should sign your cease and desist so they know what's going on. Okay. They know exactly who they need to leave alone. They know exactly what the issue is. And yes, anybody can sign their own. own cease and desist letter. We're discussing a show where these ladies are saying that their family lawyers

sent a cease and sis and sis and sits and everyone's acting like they don't know where it came from. So I was wondering if it could... So Claudia, asking by law, do people have to identify the origin of it? Do they have to identify the origin of the cease and cease. By law? By law.

Well, you need to understand the issue. If I'm going to send a cease and desist and since we're on the air right now, it's just for entertainment purposes. only you know but if that's the situation it becomes i have to say you are hereby demanded to cease and desist whatever action that it is that i'm going to describe in the letter you know let's just say calling claudia jordan defamatory names you know you have to let them know what the issue is that they need to be ceasing and desisting from doing okay but by law

even know what the situation is by law does the person who sent it have to be be disclosed. Does the person who sense it, well, it really should be the lawyer or the individual that the subject matter is about? Like, say, see, um, see I was like, okay, Carlos King doesn't talk and shit about me. And I, I needed to stop. Chris, can you draft up a season and says, so you send my season and say, I'm, I'm a lawyer. I need you to stop talking shit about Claudia.

And it doesn't say, and I'm excited in my own name. Yes, for you. You, but does it have to, does that say, does that basically say that? it's like on my behalf, like I originated that. It would be on your behalf. I represent Claudia and George. And Carlos, I'm saying defamatory things about. Got it.

Claudia. It's sometimes, I mean, I've seen sometimes a manager write it, but it just can't be anonymous. Stop defaming Claudia Jordan signed anonymous. No, that's not the way it works. So someone's name is on it. Someone has to put a name on it. Yeah.

somebody has to say somebody has to say that to tell the person that is directed to what action that they need to cease and desist doing okay okay thank you i'm gonna call you something get the air okay thank you no thank you so so with that being said that's my look i i watched the show so even went to wanda and trina were talking about it and they're seeing the first episode they were very careful with their words about what was going on because the the the was allegedly going on is the fact that it's allegedly the somebody that one of the sisters used to be married to, right? And what they're saying is that this person is not here to defend themselves. Now, with that being said, they're questioning whether or not Tamar's intentions was to really help out her fellow niece, or did she do that to embarrass her family? Dustin, what are your thoughts? Do you think Tamar had the best intentions in helping out the niece with her story?

or do you think that it was malice intent? Yes. To both. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. I do believe. I'm like, what is it?

Okay. Because I do believe, listen, you got to consider the history. You got to consider the players involved. I do believe that there was a part of Tamar that wanted to help her niece. I do. I believe that. I also believe there's a part of Tamar that knew it was going to drive certain people in her family. up a wall if this story was brought back up and I think that because of certain existing issues that she I was about to say exist shoes certain existing issues I'm really we didn't swap

um anyway I think that because of some things that were I was already going on with her and her sisters she wanted to piss them off you don't get on TV cussing your sisters out the way that she was cussing them out at that dinner scene in this episode and in the last episode without there being some real deep shit in the waters between you and your siblings and so yeah she wanted to help her niece she also knew that that was some really uncomfortable painful information for certain people in her family and so i think she wanted to piss them off yes like a two for one like yeah i am fighting for the integrity and to protect I am being a protective aunt. This is her niece, right? Yeah, auntie.

But also the secondary benefit would be to piss these hafas off because I have to do with them. I can see that too because I don't think like, you know, listen, if I found out one of my family members was, you know, had some, somebody was touching her or what have you, allegedly. And everyone kept it from me. I'm flipping tables too. I'm going to be mad too. So I think that's a legitimate response to be upset. But then you also have this other layer of you guys are public figures. You're on television.

You have a show and what you choose, how you choose move forward. Okay, I'm going to put it on a podcast. I'm exposed. I'm going to blow the whole family up and not care because I don't really rock with them anymore. I feel like they don't rock with me. So, yeah, I can see that too. She said she wanted to help her niece and went in the conversation. Tamar made sure that she filmed the scene on the show where she was sitting down at a restaurant with her niece and stating on camera that she wanted to help her niece and.

offer her some help and resources that she, Tamar, I'm speaking of, she herself had not had available to her when she needed some help previously. She's alluded to being in a similar position of some sort in some way with her niece at some point in her life. And so she definitely laid that on on camera, but Tamar also is a television producer. She's produced multiple reality shows for herself, and she's been a producer on the Braxton's the entire time. So Tamar understood the importance of that qualifying information being included in what was available to be shown on air, right? Because I'm not sure how much control they have over the edits. But Tamar knew she had to film a scene saying, hey, niece, I want to help you.

And this is why we're doing this. This is why I want to have you come on my show. Because then when her intention is questioned, she has something to reference now, saying, no, look, I only wanted to help her. You can see, I talked about it on the show. But the behavior that we saw displayed in that dinner scene contradicts that being her sole intention because she referenced specific things that she took umbrage. No pun intended because you know they call Tawana umba. But she took umbrage with certain things. You know what I'm saying with her sisters. And it motivated the way she reacted and responded to things. A cease and desist, although it is a defining, you know, document. It's just not a, it happens. It's not something that's very serious, okay? It can be serious, but it also can be a way to just tell a person you don't like what

they're doing or saying. And I feel like Tamar took that seats and assist and the receipt of the, of that seat and cease and desist, right? She took that moment and stretched it as far as she could. Y'all trying to shut down my businesses. I'm a producer. I'm a singer. this is how I make my money.

No, it's not. Tamar's podcast that she has has changed names. It's not people watch it, you know, and it's a great conversation between her and some of her close friends, but it's not something that is the sole source of all her income. I would challenge that as a fact.

So I don't think they're going to shut her businesses down. I thought that was a bit over the top to say that because Tamar is a singer, a great singer. She has reality shows. She's constantly booked and busy, so I don't think that would shut her down, I think. But, you know, Tamar, to her credit for reality TV, is good at bringing the drama and being dramatic. And I do feel bad if this was very painful for the niece in real life, that it kind of feels a little yucky, like her situation kind of got exploited for, like, get back with each other. Yeah.

Yeah. To be fair, she introduced the information. We had no idea about any of these alleged occurrences, right? Her niece, Ashley, who had been living in Spain, I believe, for the past, what, 10 years or something like that, she brought the, started making TikTok videos, speaking about her experience. And that's what kind of set all this off. As a person who's been viewing the Braxton's, it does feel like Tamar used it to her advantage. It does. It does. It does like Tamar exploited it. I'm just saying, I'll just say, I'll, Yeah, to piggyback off of what Dustin's saying, just so you're aware too, Claudia. The niece did the TikTok video saying that, allegedly, that one of her aunts, her aunt's, cut her off after the auntie's partner was inappropriate with her at the age of 16. And that's when everybody started to throw names out there

without, her name is Ashley, without Ashley even saying the name. And just to catch people on, this is what Ashley did say on the TikTok. So Claudia, I want you to know too. This is what she said on TikTok before the season didn't even start it. So I want to tell a story today,

and the story is about how one of my aunts and my family do not talk to me because they think that I, at the age of 16, did something with a partner at the time. And I believe, hold on a second. And I'm sorry, and I have been a nervous wreck to talk about something like this and to tell this story, A, because of my family, B, because I don't want to hurt people. It's not to hurt people to tell my story, but at the same time, I've been working through this so much in therapy. And this is something that goes way deep to my core and in terms of worthiness and how I feel about myself.

So she, listen, that's how she started off her TikTok. And again, she started off by saying that one of her aunts just doesn't talk to her because of what, you know, allegedly occurred when she was 16 years of age. And that happens in black families all the time. And I'm sick of it. So I'm glad that someone put them up, put the behavior on blast because that is not cute. And in that regard, then Tamar's right. You know what I mean? As far as like looking out for the niece, if that was a soul.

intent was like, look, I really care about this and I'm going to elevate your voice. And whoever sent the season is this to Tamar about shutting it down and not talk about it, I think they were wrong. I think they were dead wrong for, I mean, yes, the person is no longer

with us allegedly, right? But like that she shouldn't be able to talk about it because the person died. I think the F not. I think it's funny that when Tamar did voice her concerns with being issued the cease. And it says the cease and desist.

Not one time did she say, y'all stop me from helping Ashley. Y'all stop me from having Ashley tell her story. She kept saying, y'all shutting my business down. I'm a singer. I'm a producer. I'm this. The focus was only on helping Ashley per hour view, the viewers. We only saw that being her focusing intention in the scene when she sat down at the

restaurant with her niece. And when they began their discourse on stage at Tamar's life. podcast. Any other time she's spoken about the cease and desist on the show, her focus has been her being wronged by her sisters as opposed to a block being put in place between her and offering some sort of help or assistance to her niece. And I find that a bit telling personally. I think that Tamar, when her personality is corralled appropriately and and housed appropriately, I think she is a, she's a dynamite television personality. I think she was incredible on the real as a host.

And I think that she is one of the best singers, really, of our time. She has an incredible, a beautiful singing. Yeah, I'm glad to that. Personalities are subjective. People might like her or might not like her. But she's good at those two things. What we've seen her not be as successful at is being a friend, being a sister, being loyal, maintaining privacy when it comes to personal things between her and someone else.

She constantly runs to the internet whenever she has issues with anything or anyone, and that makes resolution and resolve difficult because now you're inviting in a myriad of opinions and other perspectives to something that could have been handled between two people. So I'm challenged, really, if I'm being honest, I've seen Tamar habitually cross lines and boundaries of disrespect with her sisters over the years. right every we can go back to the scene when she went around the table and pointed out something that was wrong with everybody's husband at the table personal things like them being you know

having infidelities or having not been able to keep a job you know these are no your man the cheetah you remember that i know but listen i'll say this yes i'm i'm a fan of the show um listen i will say this at the time as i was watching it i did laugh because I thought I didn't this is my opinion I didn't take it as deep but I'm also not on the receiving end and I'm like to tell you how to feel yes but the scene rain drops is where she said your man's a cheetah your man a computer whiz because allegedly one of the husbands was like on the internet talking to other women now I'm going to tell you what I got a problem with right here's what I have a problem with because Tamar is not the only person at fault in this

situation, right? The main conflict that we witnessed was between her and our sister to Wanda, okay? And this is not something new. This has been a recurring conflict or a current theme since the first, our introduction to the Braxton's, right? Money, access, ego, pride, all those things play a part in this conversation. Because as you see, when Tamar was lashing out or reacting to being sent to cease and desist by somebody connected to the sisters and their attorney or former attorney at one point. Tamar started talking about everything else. Y'all are jealous of me. She started referencing her looks. She started referencing monies that were given and whether or not they were a gift or a loan, you know, and her and Tawanda started going back and forth. And Tawanda

took advantage of the opportunity. It seemed to me as if Tawanda had an intention of, okay, I'm about to expose you. I want to change the way that people view you. I want people to understand that you're a bad person who would do things that people consider disgusting and representable to their siblings. So I'm going to tell this secret, no matter alleged secret, I should say, about you allegedly sleeping with someone that Tony has had a relationship with because I want people to look at you differently than they do. That's a deep down, you know, intention for someone to have, especially your sister when it comes to a problem between the two of y'all and to want to continue to do insane things that i felt like crossed the line too towards the end of the conflict to wind that can be seen

on camera and shout out to the editors for making sure it was included to winda was saying let's call the police and let's press charges on her let's call the police and let's press charges on her she kept repeating that in that scene bringing up shit about kids all of that was just lines It was just lines being crossed that are difficult to go back from. Shout out to Trina Braxton. I think Trina Braxton regulated her emotions impeccably during that whole confrontation. Trina was keeping her tone down. Trina was trying to diffuse things,

the escalate things, even when she would respond to some of the wild shit Tamar was saying, she would just be like, no, Tamar, I'm not. Even when she got her hair pulled from the back, that would have set me. off especially she was trying to she was trying her best to be the peacemaker in between she got villainized for it and you know in the heat of the moment you mad you like you touch me are you you separated us let me get at her no that was what trina did the right thing and and tamar that was such an

ugly scene it was so ugly for them and we all have the moments right that's not they're not alone in that like we all have moments that we're not proud of especially can't nobody piss me off like my family. I'm just going to be honest. I don't give a fuck about nobody. 100%. My family's, you know, like disagreements internally are triggering it for me. And so I get it, right? But I'm also not going to

cuss my brother or sister out on TV like that. Just I don't even have it. If we have a disagreement, I was just telling my friend earlier, me and my brother, that's our love language. Fuck you, what the fuck you? You know, that's how we talk. Hello, what you do you ugly motherfucker? That's how we talk to each other. But if we ever have a disagreement,

we remove all of that. And we talk, And we talk about what was going on. You know what I'm saying? I don't have it in my heart to hurt him in that way or disrespectfully insult him. You know what I'm saying? So seeing Tamar and Tawana just go right there, it indicates a lot of shit and a very, very broken relationship. They don't like each other. I was going to say that.

I'm going to say I want to peel back too because you have siblings, you have siblings. I have nine of them, nine siblings. and I'm going to tell you what I saw as somebody who was the middle child of 10 kids who all grew in the same house with the same parents all our lives. I did see a couple of things. I saw gas lighting and I'll get to that. I saw passive aggressiveness and I saw a deep need to expose because I'm tired that I'm fed up and I'm done and I'm done.

and the world's about to find out exactly who you are. So what I will say is this. Even when, and I want to go back a little bit to the moment about Ashley being on the show. And how Tamar told Tony, you told me to get on the Braxas.

And Tony denied it. And Tamar said, I swear on my mom that you did it, right? Only for Tony then to go on her confessionals to say, well, look, I did say breaker on the show but in this way so i do feel like this it goes to show you that yes tamar may be

this big ragadocious loud person right and tamar is as flawed as all of us but i will say in that moment i did feel like well if you're saying to her in her face you didn't do it only to then going your confession, saying, well, I did do it. It does sort of present this, this notion that, okay, is Tamar being gaslit by her sisters? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you'll agree with this too, that's it. There were tons of side, looks and whispers

that was happening. So even when Tamar brought the accusation of the phone, the phone bill, the phone bill, I told you about the phone bill, remember the phone bill that Tawanda had my name, and Tijuana da-da-da-da.

And Tony said, you did say that, then Tawanda goes, yeah, but something like, is that illegal, whatever, the words were, something about, was that illegal or something? And Tony whispers, it doesn't make it,

true. It was sort of like, okay, I'm really seeing, I'm really seeing moments of things being gas lit. And again, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm on this person side or not. I'm watching the show. But I will say for a woman like Tamar, who does have a reputation that she said, people just think she just goes off on the, on the left for no reason. I will say that scene, I did see mom so i'm like ha to be gaslit in your face by your sisters and then as a person we have siblings who also does the little look to my other sister like look i i i did see moments of like okay i could see where i'm sorry i can see why she feels this way in this moment i could too i agree with you because i definitely recognize moments like i told you tamar is not alone in in what

what made this dinner go left, right? Or what makes their dinners typically go left. There were other people who are involved. Trina was making faces and shit. You know what I'm saying? Even though she did regulate her emotions well when it was time for her to actually communicate, her nonverbal communication was something different, right? Tawanda appears to have a mean, nasty edge to her spirit when she is in conflict with Tamar.

I don't know where that comes from. I don't know what that reflects, but she appears to have a goal of shifting the perspective of whoever is watching or listening when it comes to Tamar. It seems like Tawanda does not like how Tamar is well received by some people in spite of her behaviors that can be deemed erratic, can be deemed problematic, can be deemed childish, can be deemed whatever you want to deem them. She still gets a lot of love. you know what I'm saying? And I think that Tawanda resents that because Tawanda feels like she has real issues to be upset with Tamar about. And she feels like her sisters have real issues to be upset with Tamar about. I don't think she feels like Tamar deserves some of the success that Tamar has rightfully earned on her own of her own merit, right? I think it appears as if Tawanda resents that a little bit. And so she tries to cut down the middle when she's arguing with Tamar. Why else would you bring up something? like that. Yeah, Tamar brought up that down payment, but that's the kind of shit you do when you help each other out when you're siblings and shit, you know. But even that being brought up, it just, it's just awesome. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah. And I'm glad. I want to hear from you too. I'll say this. As a person that has siblings, I think they all cross the line with exposing when they do for each other. I don't, I don't like that. That's why I do feel like in that moment, the gloves were off. And it was the first time that I saw. the living legend Tony B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. Raxid. Gloves being off, too, because as the older sister, she always had this way of either I'm going to keep things here or I'm going to remove

myself from the situation. I was surprised to see even her have her gloves off. And I think with Trina, who definitely wasn't vocal, I will say, even when Trina said to Tony, you're you're a superstar, I'll say this, I, I didn't like that in that moment because you're sort of, exactly, you're sort of categorizing that one sister has more to lose in the other. And as a viewer, all you guys have the same thing to lose. Yes, Tony Braxton is the iconic Grammy Award winning living legend, right? But in this moment, that's your sister. There you go. Thank you, Carlos. Accolades does not matter in this moment. When I get to an argument with my siblings,

none of those mothers, none of them say, that's the king of reality TV. Like, you got, you got, they like, okay. There's a. Yeah. Yeah. That was, again, more evidence of longstanding beef for many, many years. It was clearly a dig. Like the sister is saying, she's saying, you're a superstar. Mm-hmm. And looking at Tamar, you're a superstar. This is above you. Mm-hmm.

Because they've had lots of arguments in the past. And, you know, I do think that Tamer probably feels a way that sometimes Tony Braxton does get that label and as talented as Tamar is, which she was really, I think a lot of Tamar's issues is sometimes I do think she has, she's correct in her stances. It's probably the delivery and that runs. their sisters the wrong way so they get into it like it's delivery is like half the battle in tone so even when you're right it's it's like easy to demonize someone right and be like look at her she's acting up she acting here she go acting ghetto again not acting like a superstar when your delivery is on 10 no one really can hear you they hear you yelling they hear you screaming they hear you seem aggressive right they're not really hearing well maybe she was gas late a little bit

maybe she does have a point and then no one wants to feel sympathy for you because of your tone so that's what like so and the sisters know that right so you keep your yourself tone your tone calm and cool and let your sister crash out she instantly the audience will instantly be like oh here she go again doing what she do but it's obvious many many many many many years of resentment hurt pain over whatever issues jealousy and i don't think it's all only directed at tamar i think that there's a lot of two-way jealousy in that family and it's not for the things it's not just like, oh, you made it. I didn't make it as big. There's just, you know, people throwing shit in each other's faces as we saw in the argument. That wasn't cool

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You can love somebody when I like them. And I think Dustin clocked it. Tony Braxton went on record saying, if they weren't my sisters, I would not be friends with them. She said it. She said out her own mouth. Tony Braxton also said that when they started, because Ms. Evelyn Braxton raised her girls to be a girl group

and to be, you know, that as a career choice. When L.A. Reed saw the group or four, he single-handedly said, I only want Tony Braxton. And Tony Braxton said this out of her own mouth that no matter what she accomplished as a solo act, her mother will always say, maybe that's fine, don't think it about your sisters. Don't think about your sisters.

That's a lot of pressure. Yes, yes. And Tony has said that she felt that she could never enjoy her success because she was made to always feel like your sisters don't have it either. So even when Tracy, may she rest in peace, did say when Tony became solo and Tony wanted Tony worked with the other sisters, the four of

them, to be in a girl group. When they signed the record deal is when Tracy got pregnant. And then Tracy has said this out of her own mouth that she pretty much was kicked out of the group because she was pregnant. And if you watch, not watch, if you go back to the records, the Braxton as a group was three people. So there's a lot of history there. And I think when it came to what the conversations are about jealousy, you're a superstar, all of that. I think, unfortunately, I'm going to say this. I think the moment Tony Braxton made it

as a solo superstar, I do believe the relationship between the sisters as a unit was forever changed. For sure, think about if you were, sorry, Dustin, think about how the Jackson 5 were, But they were a group and they went through brutal training. They get to where they had to get and the rehearsals and all that. And then Michael is the chosen one because he stood out like that.

How the kindest, most faith-having person is still going to feel a way that it's human nature to feel a way. And then Tony is going to have that survivor's remorse. Like, I'm the one that made it. There's a lot of guilt that goes along with that. And you can be happy for your sister, but also be low-key hate and low-gealous. at the same time and you can't say it right because you're supposed it's it's a complex place to be it's a complex thing to like i don't know claudia i don't like that friend i don't know i feel like that's real yeah it's real but i don't know just speaking for myself you know what i'm saying

it's not about being wrong or right or whatever but like yeah yeah yeah i don't think there's any place for like jealousy and ego and pride and shit like that when in a in a close relationship for it like i don't want to if something good happens for you i'm not going to think damn you know what i'm saying that should be me too you know what i'm saying i'd be like damn that's dope for claudia i'm happy for you so i can i imagine if my brother and i did yeah go ahead i think i think we have to go with the fact that once again they were brought up as sisters to be a group, right? So it was always the five of us

are going to make it as a group. Now, I don't, I know your spirit. And I'm not saying you would do this. I know what you're saying. But if Claudia and Dustin were like Ashford and Simpson and or whatever, right, the dynamic duo, Sonny's here, right? Donnie and Marie Osmond, I'm so old.

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anyway stop when if you and Claudia were brought up since over five years old to make it and then at 20

Claudia has been hand selected to be ushered into the stratosphere and you're left behind there be some resentment. And one

example I will give, and I'm only saying this because they talked about it. Yeah. Kelly Rowland did a song called Dirty Laundry. And she talked about the fact that when Beyonce became the solo superstar, she said in the song, okay guys, before y'all be like,

it's her song. She said how it was difficult for her to see her sister on stage killing it because she was like, what about me? Like, what do I do? now that my sister has made it since we were seven, eight years old,

and I'm in my 20s, and my girl is the number one pop star, and I'm figuring my shit out. It's like being happy and sad at the same time, and it's like you don't want to be an asshole to be hating on them, but I think it's human nature to feel that like, well, what about me?

As much as you try to quiet that voice, the what about me thing is real, you know what I mean? Like, we plan on doing something together, and one gets plucked and elevated beyond their wildest dreams and you're sitting there like I'm supposed to be happy because that's my blood

but fuck why not me too why couldn't be two of us or why couldn't be three of us you know so I get that. And that's why I said that's why I said every I believe and this is me having

my siblings I believe their relationship as sisters change the moment LA re-selected Tony because he removed her from the foundation that was set by their mother. And that's why their mother,

again, Guy, Tony Braxton said it. That's why the mother always said, yes, baby, congratulations on your Grammy and all this stuff, but don't you forget about your sisters. And that's why I think when the Braxton's came along that Tamar Braxton and her ex-husband, Vincent Herbert, paid for the pilot. And just so y'all know, the pilot was at Bravo first.

And Bravo did not. green lighted but we TV did that's why it did appear that you know it was like their second win right like this could be something that we all could do as a unit but once again I think that foundation was never healed which is why TDJs couldn't even do it but think about the sisters okay they had to go through it more than once okay and a second on a lower scale right first they were together as five and then Tony Braxton's out of here blows up. And everybody's like, wait, what? What about us? And then after years later, then Tamar breaks out as a solo star, another chance for the other sisters to be like, what about

us again? So they had to go through it kind of twice. And then, I mean, Tony Braxton is, like, she's out of here. And Tamar Braxton is very successful too. So imagine what the other sisters got to feel. You cannot tell me. Like, that's got to be tough for them. I don't, I just, I completely understand the point you make. First of all, let me say that, because I'm not challenging with either one of y'all are saying. The way I look at things, I just would feel like, okay, if my sister is this superstar wins, the best Grammy you can win, right? Best new artist, once in a lifetime chance to win.

She won it. She's loved by mainstream audiences all over the world, right? If I'm talented and me and my sister have a good relationship, that's opportunity for me to have access to resources, to have my talents be seen by others and have an opportunity, right? You pick up that basketball of opportunity and you dribble it. You work on your craft and you maintain good relationships and you showcase your art. The second time that the family got the spotlight put on them as a collective with this television show, to me, that's opportunity too for you to showcase your talents, do your thing,

get opportunities, be good at what you say you're good at. If Tamar rockets to superstard, I'm like she did when the show came out, that's more attention on the show, more attention on y'all. That's good for all of you. It's great for Tamar, but it's also good for you. And if they were looking at that as a second opportunity of being overlooked, I think the problem, the call is what they be saying. The call is coming from inside the house.

Because you had really three, but two shots to like do your thing. You had two windows of two huge windows. those of opportunity. You know what I'm saying? So how you look at it overlooked as overlooked. I get it, though. You're a matured, developed, highly, emotionally intelligent person. Look how many other shows.

Yeah. Dot, dot, dot. It just when one gets the light on them, it makes people get jealous. They get angry. What about me? Why this bitch? Why her? Why not me?

I can sing as good as her. She only got that because this or some guy likes her. Whatever the room, whatever the spin is someone's going to put. You know, and a lot of times people say they'd be happy for you when you make it. But when it really happens, will they really feel that way? And are you being an asshole when you do make it? Are you flaunting shit? Are you thrown in your sister's faces?

We saw some ugly shit in that scene. We saw some ugly in that scene. And then, you know, there's got to be more too that. That's what we're seeing on camera. So what is happening not on camera? Bitch, you wish you could be me. That's why I got an ideal and you did not. Who knows what the conversations are?

You know, who knows? but at the end of day, I think one thing we can all agree on, they don't like each other. Yeah. But you know what's funny, so listen, what's so interesting is,

obviously Tamar and Tony are still talking because Tamar went to the Verzes last Saturday and was with Birdman supporting him. They FaceTime Tony Braxton. Tony looked amazing.

Tony Braxton such a divot and a legend. I love her. He's in the arms of the sunglasses. on in the house looking like a bow cover. You can't take that away from that gorgeous woman. Tony Braxton. Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, living legend.

So the thing about siblings is this. You do find a way to get over it. My hope for the girls is this. I do hope that they find their way back because I do think that the stuff that was exposed, we didn't

need to know. But I also, I also know that when your back is up against the wall like doesn't say no one hurt no one no one hurts you more than your family and you sometimes will say shit to get under someone's skin i've done it to my siblings i'm not exempt i'm not i'm not exempt from saying the most egregious things um to a sibling we're arguing and and they said it to me but we found our way to come back and what's what i'll tell you this what's sad is the purpose of this reboot was to honor tracy and i i i i feel sad that that's not the focus i never believe that personally i appreciated the sentiment being shared but i never thought for one minute they all sit down

they can all sit down and talk right they can't get along so i never thought for one second they said that. I was like, we're going to honor our sister by doing this show again. Yeah, no. No. No. Y'all want to work. I think honestly, I hate to give up on things, but it kind of seems like at this, at this age, a lot of stuff's baked in. Like, we can say fairly not. I kind of, I agree. I think it's a done deal. I'm healing, I'm healing, healing, journey. No, no. They don't, it is, I think at this point, it is what it is. And that's what it is. And that's it. Like, I don't think there's any hope. Like, and I think the best they can do, was maybe see the show and be like, damn, I don't like how that look.

Yeah. Play nice for the show so we could like, let's get back. It's like Housewives or Atlanta. Like it started off like so lighthearted and fun and like spongy. Then it got dark and negative and fighting and all that. Like the what made people love these shows is the ability for it to be funny and shading and then and then revisit and hang out again afterwards. And I was, it did give me a little hope to see Tony and Tamar on that Zoom. I mean, on that faith time with Birdman.

hopefully that they can all get like that. Because they both, they all have a lot of personality. They're all pretty funny. Like, sure. Yeah. They're all talented. And they're the closest. Tony and Tamar, of the sisters are the closest.

And the closest on the other side is Tawanda and Trina. You know, so it is for like this split group. Trina. Right. Yes, Trita. Yeah. Damn. I don't think Tijuana's evil, though.

I do think that she's, I do think she's, frustrated. I think she's frustrated for many, many years. I think they all are. Like, and it's kind of like a thing of what came first, the chicken of the egg. Like, I'm sure camera, I can point of, well, you did this to me first and then I responded like this. And I'm sure Tijuana could be like, well, you did, did me like this. And that's why I said this about you. Like, it's who knows where it really started. I think so many things have happened where they both can have a case of who started it. But it's very clear that, you know, both sides have been very hurt. Yeah. And I don't like, I don't like the mental.

illness comments. I just, that was, that was the one where I was sort of like, this is, listen, no shade, because I got siblings. Sometimes you knock and you bug, a sibling. It's what it is. That, I'll just be real, that involved me as much as the mental illness conversations did, because I just felt like that was just something that I don't think should be included in any argument you know what i mean like the the notion of that um whether or not it was tawanda's um you know point of saying you're sick in terms of making light of that um she has to say whether or not she meant in that way but i just thought like it sure seemed like it didn't yeah i just felt like of all things i just didn't i i didn't like that because you know tamar has been open about

dealing with mental illness and um and all those things and i just think those type of conversations it just wasn't a place for it but i also think this i think claudia's right in the sense of these women some are over 50 i think tamar she was 48 at the time of film and remember when she when she um showed her body off to trina in the heat of the argument and was like you're a jealous bitch I will be to 48 she tapped her butt cheeks remember that part yeah I remember that part did you see that part thank you Dustin for the colorful description yes I do that's why I was sort of like being guys you jealous bitch she was doing all that shit ah he jealous bitch I'm 48 bitch that's what she was doing that's crazy talking yeah that's a

crazy fight to have. That's, I don't know if I'd have been cussed to wind out because she could have, you know what I'm saying? All you see is that purple. You know what I'm saying? Not the purple, not the purple. But what I will say, I do give with Claudia, I think, look, they're close to 50, over 50. I think at this point, and it's sad to say, but I've had lived experience too like you two

did, I just think at some point you get to pick and choose who you want to be part of of your own family. Can we give notes? Because while when you had had technical difficulties at the top of the show, Claudia and I were talking a little bit more about the Braxton's in general, and I wanted to share this with you too before we get out of here. I'm tired of the formula. The formula needs to change when it comes to the Braxton's, right? These are people of a certain age, right? People with children, you know, grandchildren. Doesn't Trina have grandchildren? Anyway, Yeah, I think one of Trina's sons may or may not be married or have a child. I don't know.

But they're at a certain station in life. All we really have been getting from the Braxton's is either the sisters arguing, going for blood against each other, or else they're together and they're acting silly and singing when they talk. You know what I'm saying? Tawanda did it in this episode when she was on the phone at the dress fitting for her ladies of honor, which do what you want to do. But it's just confusing when everything's different, right? Like, nothing is just what it is. Well, no, we're going to call him this. Well, no, we're going to wear this.

Well, no, we're going to do it. Everything is off. And their daddy should have took his head off before he walked down the aisle, too. But anyway, we see Tawanda at the dress shop trying this stuff on, right? And when she's talking to Tony on the phone, this is how you know somebody is, like, not really present when they talk to you. She was going, yeah, we at the bridal shop. Getting ready for the Bridgeton shower. This tone say hi.

Everything is singing. Nothing is really real. She'll be doing that shit when she talked to Trina. Her and Trina just be kicking and talking. You know what I'm saying? That represents. Am I off here or does that not represent like a lack of connection? You know what I'm saying?

Like you're talking about you don't really talk to that much. Yeah. We need to stop. And if they're not arguing with each other, they're singing. songs and making up, they're being silly and childish in a way they used to be charming. When the show first started, that's what we love the most about seeing them be together and make up those songs like you said, which we all love and still remember. We love saying that.

But now, 10 years later, the fighting or either acting childlike is really getting played out when there's a whole bunch of story in between all of that. Carlos, you're a producer. You see all this story that these sisters have. that it's not making a cut whatsoever. We got to change up the formula because the rest of that. Yeah, it's, listen, obviously, I agree with that. I want to see them have fun and seeing and, and, and create a new formula.

You know, you're seeing some of that with the Kardashians. And they're a new season. Whether people like it or not is, it's different than keeping up. But to this point, that's a new formula involved in that one. So on one hand, it's like, yes, you follow the reality. The reality is this happened. But I think to Dustin's point, on the other hand, you saw the trying the elements of like the BTS,

the producers being involved. So you're seeing something different than Brexit family values. But I think tonally, yes, some things have to change. I agree with you, Dustin, yes. And it's not just them. It's 90% of the black. It's a genre. Every show is, oh, such and such read her down and she cussed her out and she went on.

And I'm like, black folks, we are more than just fighting. Yes, we are passionate people. Yes, we get emotional. Yes, we go from zero to 100. And, you know, we put a little stank on everything. That's why we're the best people to watch on shows like family. We're so emotional. But God damn it, is that all we are?

It's fighting, catching someone cheating. cussing someone out, embarrassing someone on camera, and, like, reading someone down. Like, every single show is that nowadays. Every show is that. It's so, like, switch the name of the show. Like, just insert the same storyline, different cast members, and it's dead. And that's why people are not as excited about any, hardly any of these shows anymore, because we've got to get back to it funny.

That's why with your show, with bells, Carlos, it's nice that we still have, we have some drama but there is still some opportunity for humor that's what we're missing like if i want to see fighting all day i can throw on CNN i can throw on the news and we want to escape from that like all we see is bickering bickering bickering bickering with everything and it's like damn like it's cool things of balance okay fight but then y'all went to a strip club and y'all laughed your ass off exactly but when it's only it's the scales the libra the scales are just so unbalanced and that's all we get. And that's why I don't really, like, honestly,

that's the main reason why I'm so late on a lot of reality shows because I'm like, I just assume they're all they're doing is arguing. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm seeing they're not all. It's not 10 for 10.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love, it's no secret. Y'all know I watch all the fighting shit. I love Zeus. So I watch now that's TV. I watch all that shit. But let it be that. Call the show the Braxton ass beatings and put it on Zeus.

You know what I'm saying? Let's make it that. if that's what we're going to watch. Otherwise, let's not pretend it's family values or. That's right. And y'all rooted in the church. One minute y'all want to be rooted in the church and everything is about the Lord and

gospel in our upbringing. But Tamar is on verses where their tongue stuck out bobbing to the same music. I'm singing every word to in my worldly home. So you know what I'm saying? I don't know the balance here. The balance here is in this alignment. Be who you are. We love the Braxton.

As much as Tamar has done things that have been difficult to enjoy, I still love Tamar Braxton's talent, right? I think she's an incredible singer. I think she's a brilliant television personality. I think Trina Braxton is hilarious. I think Tawanda Braxton is interesting. I think Tony Braxton is iconic. I want to watch the show.

I want to see them and see what's going on in their lives beyond what we know about them. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see them clawing blood out of each other's necks as sisters. I just don't want to see that. So, but shout out to them. Like I said, I want the show to continue. May they have multiple seasons. May it continue.

And hopefully we end up seeing them find some sort of peace and some sort of bridge of harmony and togetherness as sisters. Because they are, while they're cussing each other out, some of that pain might be from grief. I'd imagine. Yeah, I think it's all of it. Yeah. They lost their niece. The Ashley, Denise Ashley, her sister is the one who passed away. Tracy passed away.

they experienced a lot of loss so some of that acting out that we see is more than likely rooted in that my wish is for them to find healing and get along and keep singing you know what i'm saying uh yeah that's what i hope for them that's why we so fucking frustrated when we seen tamar turn her on and show her ass cheeks to trina talking about 48 bitch they're hitting her butt we didn't want to see her them speaking to each other like that we want to see them figuring it out damn i was just about I'll stand up and show my 52-year-old cheeks, but I won't do it now. You got to call me a nigger, a motherfucker.

Nigger, look at 30-8-50-2. Yes, Claudia. You're jealous of my, you jealous of my, you get a lot. Niggily, you jealous of my 52-year-old teeth. You wish you could have cheeks like this. I didn't catch you, Claudia. I didn't catch you, Claudia. I didn't touch your client.

Yes, you did. You pumped my head. I didn't touch you, Clay. Tamar. We want you to get along. Come on, we want you to get along. Yeah, we do. The fans, actually at this point,

getting along would be breaking news, and we would love to run with that. We would love to run with that. We would love to run. And I'll say this. Just because they had this moment of, of, you know,

verbal dispute or whatever and Tamar pulling and kicking. At the end of the day, we saw Kim and Courtney slap the shit on each other. Yeah, but please, you already know. So like, so for the audience, like, calm down.

That's what I said. I was less about a sibling's fight. Kim and Courtney in their 40s fought two years ago. Half of Kim's face was on the wall. The makeup was on the wall. Baby, baby. We ain't unfairly holding them to a standard as anyone else.

They're not representing black people. It's not that type of conversation. I speak for myself. I'm pretty sure I can speak for y'all too. I don't hear the fuck about none of that. We just talk about the Braxton's. You know what I'm saying? Yes.

We're not punishing them for, you know, Vich represented, no, this ain't that. Everybody fight, everybody argued, everybody talks shit. All that stuff happens. We're just talking about what we saw. I never had a sister. I have a half sister, but I didn't know about it. It was like when I was older.

So I never had like any fights like me and my brother when we were little, but not really. Like I don't know with that life. I really don't. And even with my friends, I rarely have fights with arguments with my friends. Like when I lose a big deal for me, like I'd be going through it because I'm like, how did I lose a friend? Like it's a big deal. I'm the youngest, like my siblings, I never made me feel like, no, that little boy shit or whatever.

We always been down, friends, always been like, and doesn't have a very support, not, I mean, all your siblings are supportive, but I met the one that came to Atlanta. Yeah, my sister. Yeah, my older sister. Yeah. She's the oldest and I'm the youngest. So you've seen, you've seen it for yourself. You know what it is. Yeah. I get it. So I don't, my experience might be a little bit. That don't mean we don't get on each other's nerves and how. have disagreements and challenges in our relationship. Of course you do, but I'll be down. It ain't nothing, I can say that ain't, ain't nothing nobody could do to make me turn on my brother and my sister. Yeah, I don't think the lot, I know we got to go, but a lot of, like I say about

relationships on reality shows, a lot of this is just escalated because they're on television and they're doing it in front of people. Like, I don't, I think it's a thing of, I can't get read down. Oh, okay. And then the comments, oh, you were going to let your sister talk to like that? I think things get escalated and extra batteries get put on back because it's a TV show. I best you it was not ugly before they got on TV. It's probably ugly, but this level is just...

That's why you've got to be all right up here with it. You know what I'm saying? To where you're not motivated by, I think Tamar and Tawanda, based on what I seen, what I saw on the show, they appeared to be motivated by a desire to win the argument and shame the other one. And that's ego and pride. You know what I'm saying? And history as well, but that's rooted in ego and pride. right. You can't be in a headspace. You got to be present and remember who you're talking to.

Remember what the relationship is. Remember how much you value it. And that will impact the way that you communicate with a person. Of course, you're human and you have emotions. You have feelings and thoughts and shit. But you need to be able to take another step in thought and consider the person, consider the relationship, consider what needs to take place for things to be good as opposed to for you to avenge something. And then you can make progress. And I think that we just didn't see that in these four episodes from the sisters.

We saw, no, bitch, I'm gonna get you. You know what I'm saying? That's what we saw. I know Mama Evelyn must be so stressed out, like, seeing her daughter's fighting. Like, it's probably like... Yeah, especially when she was going through the heart issues. She loves that.

Oh, no, those are her, those are her, baby. Those are her girls. And that's why, look, I will say this. sometimes you have to see yourself on television and be like, got it. You know, like, so my hope is that the sisters were all able to look at this and hopefully move on from it

and see the errors of some of the ways. But look, we have, I think, six more episodes to go to this season. The only thing we know is, as of today, The only thing we know is Tamar and Tony are speaking to each other. We have to watch and see what happens. But in next week's episode, it does appear that Tamar is not at Tomang's wedding. So we will. Oh, did I spill the beans on that, didn't I?

No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. That's already been teased for the show. Honestly, when I was there, I was thinking, nah, like maybe because they were filming while we were there, right? We had sign releases, put our phones away. Part of me was like, nah, man, like at the last minute

she's going to walk through and it's going to be like a big, you know what I mean? I thought that. I was actually kind of hoping for that for them. Yeah, yeah. Because like, it felt a little like, damn, how am I here and she's not? You know, I felt kind of bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So now, look, my thoughts and prayers are with the entire Braxton family and look, my advice is this two shall pass and and just really try to I'll say, I'll end by saying this for me.

I think at the end of the day there's a respectful relationship to have. I think based on people being 50 plus, I'm not here to ever advocate that you must be best friends with your sibling at this point. And I think

I think if that's not what's happening right now, it's okay to say I love her, but I can love it from a distance. I'm good with that. Me too. I'm actually fine with that. I prefer that because if you harboring some resentment and shit, I don't want you pretending to get along with me and being around me.

I'd rather you be up front like, I don't fuck with you. I'm not going to. Hey, Seven, I don't fuck with you. I'm not going to. So get from around me. I'd rather you do that.

So I agree, I don't think we should have to force something because of your family. me neither i don't believe in that yep you stress me out you my cousin my aunt my mother or my brother sorry i'm not good i'm not living like which is why you appreciate the ones that do you right even more and you take advantage of opportunities to show love to your friends and family who when things are good you should make no to that you shouldn't always sell a person how you feel about them because y'all are in conflict and it's negative tell people how much you love them tell them how much you appreciate the role that they play in your life when it comes to your friends and family that's

important to me. I feel like my friends and family that I love and fuck with like that are supposed to know it because it affirms the relationship and makes people feel safe when it's honest. You know when somebody blowing smoke up your ass, but big your friends up, big your family up. You know what I'm saying? And just make sure that that heartbeat is there in those relationships. Because as you can see, the absence of it looks crazy. So. Yeah. Agreed. All right. Well, listen, I love you too. As if we were all from the same boom. So know that. Know that. We all.

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