The Breakfast Club - The Breakfast Club BEST OF - Best Sellers of 2025 - Mel Robbins, Dawn Staley, Allen Iverson + More

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Best of 2025 - Best Sellers of 2025 - Mel Robbins, Dawn Staley, Allen Iverson interview, Plus Charlamagne give Donkey of The Day to a 20 year old New Jersey man who is facing an attempted murder charge after allegedly attacking a fellow gamer for talking crazy on the internet, listen for more. Recorded 2025. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it got me feeling It got me really feeling bad You know Don't beat yourself up too bad Because it's not like you knew what was going on and ignored it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, man.

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If you need to vent, call us up right now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Salomey and the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Law and La Rosa is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building. She's back, ladies and gentlemen, Mel Robbins. Welcome. Hey, it's good to see you.

How are you feeling? Good morning. I feel great. How are you doing? Bless Black and highly favorite. This is your first time in this studio. You were here in 2021 when you had the high five theory. Yes, yes. But now millions of books later, number one podcast in the world right now. Yeah, round of applause.

Not bad, you're a 56-year-old woman, you know. Man, it really feels like you've truly arrived. What do you, what do you think, you know, the success, what's made all this new success happen? Well, you know, it's not new success. Like, what you're seeing is the result of 15 years of just boring, grueling daily reps. Like, that's what nobody, like, wants to understand is that, you know, You can be successful. You can achieve anything you want.

You just have to be patient. You have to get up out of bed every single day and put one foot in front of the other. You've got to be willing to do the things you don't feel like doing in the dark when nobody's watching. And when you think that it's not going to happen for you, that is what it's about. It's about just consistent small moves being patient. I mean, there were so many times where I was just like, am I ever going to get out of debt? Is anyone ever going to notice? Like, am I ever going to get invited to the breakfast?

Club? Like when is somebody gone to notice? I'm sure this wasn't your spot that you wanted. Well, no, but seriously, like you kind of sit there because I mean, every one of us have had those moments whether you're putting out music or you're starting a YouTube channel or you started a business and it's so easy to look around at

what everybody else is doing and think that you're losing some race in life. The real game is with yourself. Can you keep going? Can you say to yourself and this is kind of how I would keep myself going in those moments I would say, I refuse to believe that this is how the story ends. I believe that at some point all of this work is going to pay off.

I don't have to know how. I have to believe that it will. And if it hasn't yet, it's not meant to yet. There's some lesson. There's something I'm being held for that I don't know what it is. But if I choose to believe in this moment that things are going to get better, that things are going to turn out for me, that all this hard work is going to pay off, that trying to be a better person is going to pay off.

at some point I will look back on my life and say, oh, that's why it didn't happen then. Oh, that's why it took longer. Oh, that's why. Either you weren't ready or God, the universe was holding you for a different moment. And so, you know, a lot of people ask me, what is this moment about? I think it's about 15 years of ridiculously hard work becoming a better person. I think it's about 15 years of just chipping away at getting out of debt and doing better in my marriage and being. being a better mother and getting control of my emotions and my mental health, chipping away at building a business. And I truly believe that I was being held for this moment. Like this 1,000% is my legacy. Let me ask you a question, Mel. You talk about the reps. Yep.

For you, it worked out and successful and great. What about that person that is just not good, right? That rapper that is not good. Like, he's trying. That podcast person that is doing a podcast that is just not good. Like, and everybody thinks they're good. Good to anybody. You know, well, I don't, see, I don't believe that.

But when do you stop? Because you're a 60-year-old rapper? Like, you know what I mean? Maybe. Why can't there be a 90-year-old one? See, maybe what the rapping is for is maybe it's not about rapping. Maybe there is something that you're doing when you are rapping and nobody's coming that is teaching you a lesson about patience.

Maybe what it's doing is teaching you to believe in yourself when nobody else does. And every time that you show up and nobody's there, every time you post a video on your YouTube channel that only your uncle and your son are subscribed to, every time you post, you're basically saying, you know what, screw the world, I believe in myself. I'm doing this for myself. And so for me, when you give the example of, like,

the person who's a rapper who's just terrible, there's lots of people out there doing stuff, they're just terrible. What I love is that they felt called to do something. I don't care if they felt called to do it because they wanted to make more money. I mean, hell, I was working five, six jobs back, you know, 15 years ago when we were $800,000 in debt because I needed groceries on the table.

I needed gas in the tank. And so motivation to be safe and to make money or because of your ambition, that's a beautiful thing. But at some point you're going to go, I'm not that good at this. But I believe, and this is what I think is super cool about life, absolutely every experience that you have in life is leading you somewhere and teaching you something. and teaching you something. And one of the reasons why I share so much about what I've learned and the mistakes that I've made, I'm like the villain in every book,

is because I'm stubborn. Like, it takes a sledgehammer from the universe for me to wake the hell up and stop doing something. Like, I literally get so into my groove, whether it's drinking too much or taking my stress out on my kids or being a jealous, insecure friend, that things have to backfire for me to wake up and go, well, yes, I better try something different.

I want to just set it up about the book, man. There are some books that I believe are must-reads in life. The lectum theory by Mel Robbins has been added to that must-read list. My wife got it for me a few weeks ago. And the book is just essentially about how you have to stop wasting your life on things that you can't control. When did you get to that revolution? Oh, my God, it was 54.

I am a slow learner. You know, and the funny thing is, is I'm married to the chillest dude on the planet. I mean, I'm married to a man who is not only Buddhist. He is a death dula. and like when you want to talk about like a person yeah that can just sit in stillness I'm like a tornado of emotion and so I've always wanted to let things go I've always wanted to not care what people think I've never known how and see when you're stressed or you're easily

offended like I used to be or you have a lot going on it is very hard to not get wrapped up in what other people are thinking and doing it's very hard to not let what your kids are going through, stress you out. And so, you know, I've been trying to do this forever. I mean, this is not a new idea. The serenity prayer is the let them theory. In fact, you know, I sat down with Dr. Martin Luther King III and his wife, Andrea, and they both said, we write about it in the let them theory. They both reflect on the fact that this concept that you have to give up control in order to gain control, that your power is in your response, that this is part of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy. Because your

response is what dictates who you are. It's not what's happening out there. It's how you respond to it with your thoughts and your actions and how you process your own emotions. And so I did not know this until I was 54 years old. And you know, for me personally, the power of these two words, because let them, we've all said let them in our lives a bazillion times. I mean, there's a, there's a sermon circulating that's 20 years old, T.D. Jakes, doing this let them sermons. So this is a concept that has been around since the beginning of time. And that's why this has resonated. I'm not teaching you something new.

I'm reminding you of what you already know to be true. And I'm handing you this tool so you can snap out of this crap where we're constantly worked up about what other people are doing to take our power back. You talk about managing other people a lot. And I've never heard the term put like that. But you use it to basically talk about how we're told what you're talking about right now. We're worried about other people. But also, too, I think it's expectations of other people that,

We're making decisions based around that a lot. When did you realize this whole scale of managing other people and learning when the clock out of that job of trying to do that? Well, so what is going to happen is this. So when you start using the let them theory and it's so easy to use, the next time you're stressed out or annoyed or frustrated, and it's always with other people. Just say let them.

That's how you use it. Let them. And you're going to immediately feel peaceful. Your mom's in a bad mood, let her be in a bad mood. Some old friend of yours is talking, let them talk trash. why you're not allowing it when you say let them you are reminding yourself there's one thing in life i can't control it's what other people say do believe feel and it's not my job to so when you start saying let them and you detach yourself from the responsibility of having to manage somebody else

something interesting happens you realize oh my god i've lived my life in reverse i actually live my life giving time and energy trying to manage what other people think i have kept myself in a major or in a relationship or in a situation because I'm afraid to disappoint my parents or my friends. I mean, how many people keep drinking or like keep going out at night when what they really want to do is launch a business? And so they don't take the weekends to work on the things that they want to work on because they feel like they don't want to disappoint their friends or people going to talk about them. That's you giving power to other people. Like another way that we give power to other people is we, you know, get so focused on

the headlines that we gaslight ourselves into believing that you have no power. It's complete garbage. Of course you have power. And so when you start saying let them, it's sort of this revelation where you're like, oh my God, I spend so much time in energy worrying about other people. I spend so much time in energy letting them stress me out. But is there a level of like when that becomes easier versus harder? Because like when you were just talking, I thought about Michelle Obama. Yes. In the podcast, one of the podcasts she did this week, she was talking about how she realized

she was doing a lot for other people not thinking about herself and she started making decisions for herself so she's going places she wants to go and do things she wants to do. And they think she's divorced because of it. But it's like she's Michelle Obama, so it's hard for her to, like the noise is so, it's a lot louder for her. Well, of course, but whether or not

you pay attention to that is within your control. Whether or not you look at your phone and we're all guilty of it, whether you are Michelle Obama or you're just going into your middle school. Whether or not you give attention to the gossip, you look for the gossip, you mainline it, that is within your control. If you say, I can never, ever, ever stop somebody from lying about me, from making up stuff about me, from, you know, saying whatever they're going to say. So why on earth would I spend any time in energy managing it? That's right. And then you go let me, this is the second part of the theory.

Why don't you say let them. Let them think negative thoughts. Let them make up all kinds of crap. Because if you know you're not getting divorced, what do you care about these idiots saying? What do I tell you all about? Let me remind myself that I know the truth. And when you know the truth about who you are, you don't think about other people. When you live your life in a way that makes you proud, you don't think about other people.

Mel, I tell them this all the time. You told me to read her book. And I already had the book because I think Eddie had given it to us a minute ago. I said, oh, I got the book. And for the moment. You got it. It will change your damn, I'm telling you. It will change your life because.

But you have to get to that stage. Yes. It took me a while to get to that stage. It took you a while to get to that stage. He'd think he was born that way. And I don't think that that's true. No one is born that way. So I've never truly cared.

Right. But then even when I started the care, I realized things like the serenity pray. A little simple things that you saw sitting in your grandmother's house, you realize that is absolutely the truth. God granted me the serenity. They accepted things I cannot change. Courage to change the things I can in the wisdom to know the difference.

And the easiest way to let go of what you can. can't control. It's just realizing you've never had control to begin with. And here's another thing that's really important. This is why you're going to love it is that what will start to happen when you say let them is it's not that you're allowing people to do bad things. They're already doing bad things. You're recognizing that it's not your job to manage other people because this is a book that's about power and control and peace. Then you say let me remind myself how I respond to things actually is where my power is. So do I give this any time and energy? or not? Do I double down on just living my life in a way that makes me proud of myself,

which is where your power is? And the thing that also changed me dramatically is I couldn't believe how much stress I felt and how I was bracing all the time. And when you start to say let them and you release that kind of obligation to make other people happy or to make everybody know that you're not divorced or that everything's okay or like just let them think whatever they want to think and live your life in a way that makes you proud you're going to get all this time and energy back and what I love about this is when you're less stressed and when you're not bracing all the time because you know your boss is narcissistic so why on earth would you walk into work assuming that today's going to be anything other than what it already has always

been let them be who they are I love the managing stress chapter and in that chapter you say you can't control how other adults behave and stressing about it diminishes your power. You'll never reach the full potential of your life if you continue to allow stupid things or rule people to drain your life force. Can you find out of it? Yes. So the two most important resources that you have in life, time, energy. That's what you got.

How you spend your time, where you put your energy, it actually determines your experience of life. And that's why I say if you have this experience right now where you're exhausted and overwhelmed and nervous and you're not like feeling like you can ever have time for yourself or your goals just aren't clicking. You're not the problem. The problem is all this time and energy you spend deal with other people. And so let them is a boundary that you draw where you start to recognize, okay, I'm going to let other people think and feel and do and have their opinions. And I'm going to let them be disappointed. I'm going to let them misunderstand me. And I'm going to

let me really take that time and energy back and pour it into working on myself and staying in my piece. And what I've found is that when I'm less stressed, which I am, because I'm not allowing stupid stuff for other people to stress me out, I'm actually a better person. I make more money because I can use my brain instead of being in fire or flight. I don't like vomit on my kids, my emotions. Like I used to be the kind of person that would come in at, you know, after work and be yelling at everybody or mad at the dog for crying out loud. And then I'd be like, I'm sorry, it was a bad day at work, stressful day at work. Would the dogs say back?

Yeah. You know, they kind of do this, and then they come back, and they're really nice. Because they literally, dogs don't, like, punish you for that. And it's so sad that I used to leave the worst of me for the people I cared about the most and then blame it on the stress of the day that, by the way, when you use the let them theory, you have control over whether or not this stuff gets to you. Let me do it. I have a question.

In chapter 5, you say, let them think bad thoughts about you, right? The question with that is when a lot of people sometimes, especially on social media, right? Yep. Nobody facts checks anymore. But that could affect your reputation. That could affect your business. That could affect the way that your kids' teachers look at you or business that comes around. Of course.

So what are you doing those instances? Well, so here, this is a very tricky question because you're talking. talking about the PR and the media swirl. PR is a little bit different. In personal, like, I think it's really important to understand who you are, whether you're dealing with rumors at a middle school, or you're dealing with rumors in your community, or you've got somebody in your family trash talking you.

In order to repair your reputation, it is better to show than to tell, in my opinion. You prove the truth based on how you show up in life, not based on the words that come out of your mouth. And if there is somebody spreading things about you, the best way to handle it? I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.

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of crumbling anyway. That's right. Because it always catches up with him. You know, you were in the book you talk about how you felt paralyzed by imposter syndrome, especially when you were teaching the five second rule. I wonder what's changed since then? Like, what gives you the confidence and authority now to feel like you can go out here and teach to let them there?

That's a great, great question. So you know how, well, first of all, imposter syndrome is deeply misunderstood. So imposter syndrome does not mean that you don't belong in the room you're in. Imposter syndrome means you actually want to be in the room you're in, and there's skills or there's experience that you need to gain in order to dominate in that room. Imposter syndrome is actually not self-doubt, it's ambition.

And so... Explain that a bit, because it's always been said the other way. Yeah. And so if you really think about it, if you walk into a room and you don't feel imposter syndrome, it's because you don't want to be in that room. You don't care what people think about you in that room. if you walk into a room and you feel a sense of imposter syndrome it's because you care

about what people think about you in that room it means your ambition wants you to succeed in that room. Oh like push to stay sharp because you're trying to okay. And also like hey I want to actually succeed around people like this which means what are the skills I need

and what I started to understand and I think it explains a lot about why I am who I am is that we're all the same everybody is dealing with the same stuff Yes, it's easier if you have more money and more resources, but at the end of the day, everybody's got a family member that they're worried about. Everybody has ambition they're not tapping into. Everybody has things that they want to pursue in their life and they're kind of letting themselves down a little bit. Everybody struggles with a little bit of uncertainty and anxiety at times.

Everybody has hopes and dreams and feels a little discouraged and overwhelmed. And when you start at a baseline, that people would love to thrive and people thrive when they can. And if they can't, I believe it's because they're discouraged or there's some skill building or some experience or, you know, some mentorship that's missing. That's it. But that you're built to thrive. And so when you really start at that baseline, like, you know, I make it a practice, by the way. This is one thing that'll change your life. When you go into a public bathroom, two things.

I always leave the space better than when I found it. I always clean up public bathroom? It depends on the mouth. No, no, no, literally like, I literally, that's why I don't go into that. stall but I know if that's a let them I got to let I got it because if somebody like destroy especially women if somebody destroys a seat peas all over it and then they leave that is a human being that is so disconnected from the interconnection of the human experience you are leaving that for another person and so making sure that you don't leave your mess for another person

making sure that you just kind of wipe down the counter and then here's the second thing if there is a human being cleaning that bathroom, please look in the eye and say, thank you. All the time. All the time. Thank you. Like that right there is a simple thing that will make you start to shake out of that woes me or that stress or that overwhelm. Let them know you appreciate and see what they're doing because it changes who you are. And then you start to see all day long that there are like, you know, I can't look at you because I'm going to cry. People are just, walking around disconnected and the power of starting to be the one that wakes people up hey you know I always get an elevator hey how is everybody doing like it's shocking how we have gotten so far away

from that sense of community and there's actually research around this they call it either weak ties I call them warm connections those people that you see in the building every day that you say hello to the the person that's walking the dog that you know know the name of the dog in your neighborhood These relationships matter because they make you feel human again. When you feel the impact from what you're doing with your book and the let them theory, like you just got emotional, not even just about your impact, but just talking about just change in the world. How does it make you feel?

Like, do you take a moment just of gratitude and be like, because I saw all the tattoos in the book? And I was like, that's so fire. It's hard to make people like actually believe something that's not tangible. One of the things that, you know, for me, I spent so many years like hating myself and feeling like I was a really bad person and when you get stuck in life

it's easy to think you're the only one and so I'm just literally on a mission to share whatever I can share and give people access just like you guys give people access to incredible thinkers and experts and resources your work is reaching some way halfway around the world

that doesn't even have a toilet in their house and how incredible is that and if I can save anybody the headaches and the heartaches that I cause myself or the people that I care about because I didn't know any better I didn't know what the problem was I didn't know how to change myself I didn't know how to push through the emotion

that is a life well live why did you hate yourself though because you can't do anything about what you don't know oh my god we don't have time I literally like from the amount of cheating I did when I was little to the undiagnosed anxiety or the undiagnosed dyslexia and ADHD and how that created tremendous anxiety to the way that childhood trauma impacted me

that I didn't even realize was impacting me. Like, it's just chronic. I just did not think I was a bad person. And there's a lot of people walking around that have a hundred times more negative thoughts than they do positive ones. And a lot of people develop a habit of being very self-critical.

It's never enough. Like, you're never going to make it. Like, y'all is so stupid. Why did you do that? Either because that's how they were talked to when they were little, or because it's this like almost protective thing that if you beat yourself up first, you're going to catch it before other people do.

And I got to a point, and this is an important thing, the only thing you need to make your life better is one decision. How I'm living my life right now and how it feels no longer works for me. That's all you need to know. If you can have the courage to say that to yourself, you now have tipped the first domino because you've made a decision that you want to change how your life feels. You made a decision that you want to change how it feels up here.

And for me as a mom, like your kids absorb the way that you treat yourself. And so having two daughters that I started noticing, my God, why are these beautiful young women picking themselves apart? Well, because I do. Why are they so hard on them? Because I was so hard on myself. That's how they learn it. And so I don't want them to do that to themselves. And, you know, the thing I was going to share that's made a huge difference for me is that I keep the impact front and center. And so we send an email out five days a week. There's a person on our team whose job is to assemble all of the things that people are saying all over the world about the books and the podcast, not about Mel, but about what you learned. And I'll tell you, every day, there's 20 to 30 of them. And just the other day, there was a person who talked about how he was a stepdad and the relationship ended and those stepkids were his life.

And he didn't want to be here anymore. And somebody started to share the podcast with him. And he would go and take a walk every morning and listen to the podcast. And it started giving him a sense of hope. And now he uses the let them theory. This is a person that actually works in like a police operations control center. Never in a million years. What I think this is somebody that's listening to the Mel Robbins podcast or listening to this

kind of conversation. But it goes to prove that everybody wants to do well. Everybody wants to thrive. And you know when you're not. not doing well. You know when you're not thriving. The problem for most of us is just kind of feeling like I don't think this could change. And the fact is, of course, it can change. If you've ever been happy in your life, you can be happy again. If you've ever been proud of yourself, you can be proud of yourself again. If you've ever forgiven somebody else, you can learn to forgive

yourself. And you know, also, God doesn't call to qualify it. He qualifies the call. And you've been called, Mel, Robin. I feel that. I love you, man. I love you too. Wow. That's right. Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Thank you, Mel. Thank you. All right. Well, it's Mel Robbins. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalomaine Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. The icon living. Dawn Stanley. Welcome back. How you feeling? Thank you. Thank you. I usually come back when we win the championship. We lost this year.

So thank y'all for. You're always invited. Don't you start. You're always invited. Anytime. Uncommon Favor is out right now. Basketball, North Philly, my mother and the life lessons I learned from all three. out right now. How are you feeling? I'm feeling great. I mean, my friends have received their books, and they have nothing but, like, great things.

Like, my cup running through. Yeah, do you all over. Yeah, he did. I got to give you a shout out, and you sparked the conversation. So many people have asked me to write a book, and I've like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? But it came from so many different people, and then when I came on the show in 2022, we talked about it, and you just

kept the conversation going. You're real persistent. with it you know that's that's what I'm attracted to most is like somebody that actually is it persistent yeah persistent and and know the process like you knew the process I don't know if you knew my story so so to speak but you knew enough to know that you know this this book will be received well and and I appreciate that well people like you don't come around too often Don like you are once in a generational just person you know and you really learned that when you read the book not even just as a coach but as a a basketball player, but more so as a child of Philadelphia, man.

I mean, I have fun. Like, the process was fun. It's liberating. It is, you know, you don't really know how you're going to be received. But every person, like, I'm actually waiting for a critic. Like, I'm waiting for somebody saying, what didn't go right in the book? And we have yet to get to that point. And one of my friends was, you know, listening had a long road trip,

listened to the entire book yesterday. and she was like, I'm in tears, I'm laughing. I get it, like the leadership part of it. Like, I mean, the emotions that are in the book. And it's me, so some of it is emotional me. Some of it is just, I'm able to just get it out because I remembered most of it. And I had to call on my siblings that kind of fill in the gaps. But it's me.

Like, it's so me. It's so relatable. It was an easy process. So was the therapist? at all to do it? No, it was just natural. It wasn't like, it was natural. And I think sharing my story is just relatable to people. It's not like, you know, I don't think it's an overdo it with the accolades. It's like the accolades are intertwined and everybody's accolade won't be like Olympian and national champions. But on a certain level, like, if you graduate

high school, it's relatable. If you graduate college, it's relatable. If you, if you can pull yourself out of the projects of any city it's relatable and there's no wrong path like there's no like you can get off tilted but then you got to come back by like habits come back

by the lessons in the book are just just it relates to every single thing that you would want to accomplish in life and I'm not just saying that to pump the book but it really is like I'm only giving what other people are giving me the feedback they're giving me and it is cool to hear

people just relate to the book. I love it because, you know, people know you from different things, right? Some people know you as a player. Some people know you as a coach. But with this book, it starts from where you came from, which is North Philly, right? And you talk about... Raymond Rosen Housing Projects. And you talk about, you know, you said, growing up in the projects was the best decision

your parents made. Explain that a little bit and how that formed to the woman that you are today. Just imagine the people that don't grow up in the projects. What you think happens in the projects. You think probably only one thing. crying like bad things like and for me it was the foundation of giving me the scars I needed the chinks in the armor I needed to succeed like there was unity in the projects there was discipline in the projects there was manicure lawns there was my block I grew and never had trash in it like it was

captain in a way that would compete with any suburban lawn like or neighborhood so it was it was all those things that helped build you up. Like, I'm unbothered and unafraid to tackle on the most challenging things in life because that's nothing compared to what I... That's nothing. Like, so I think it gave me the foundation I needed to just be able to coach every day, like coach young people. Like, generations are changing.

Coaching talent and individuals and young people nowadays is very, very challenging. I love how you embrace your inner child. I love this picture on. Yes. What's a moment from your childhood that still shapes how you, like, handle pressure today? You know, there's a story that I share in the book about my father, who, I mean, I'm over 50 now, right? But when he, I don't know if I was 12, 14 maybe, I got invited to play on this team and this competition outside of Philly. Like, it was a road trip, and my father was like, no, you can't go.

Like, that hurt me. Like, it really hurt me. remembered it so vividly that for him to deny me that because it was one of the first times but I'm 13 14 years old whose parents going to let them somebody else take their child out of state like I wasn't thinking about that I was solely thinking about basketball but it was one of the one of the experiences that drove me like I didn't like my father for that like I didn't like him for the decision parental decision that he made but as I'm older now and reflect on and writing the book it is I need conflict I know that about myself that I need conflict like

everything can't be comfortable like if I have you know 10 people supporting me you know here I need about 10 to 12 people that's hating like I need it I mean it helps me drives me like it drives me like it drives me that's why you said I don't have a critic yet I'm waiting for a critic for the book right now right so it's that is the ability like you know we lost it you conference this year like you know the critics are saying I can't coach I didn't understand that that pissed me all so bad I'm like that that's what they say but I'm

like okay well but but again everything that I've needed in my life you know failure success happens to me this and Chris it's uncommon like but I know our loss this year will somehow help us it will I'm not just relying on

it helping us I'm going to put action to it so it means something I love them you said that in a post game conference, she was like, I hope that they're crying. I hope that my players are crying. I hope that it hurts. That'll make them be better next year. Yeah, I mean, the most

growth takes place when you're uncomfortable. The most. If you're comfortable all the time, and I've said this as well, like, parents really don't want their kids to feel what they felt, like pain. And I'm like, I want them to feel no pain. I want them to hurt. I want them to be

uncomfortable. And I love them enough to allow them to sit in that space. Not for long, but they need to fight their way out of it Because nothing's going to be given to it I don't like that place I don't like to feel that So I fight like hell to try to not feel that By prepping, by doing everything I need to do

To not feel that It's almost like when you grow up in the projects And you grow up in poverty You don't want that anymore Like you don't want that once you've lived And you've earned a certain keep You want to keep that Because you want to change general

in your family and I hope I'm able to do that you seem like you've always been a natural born leader like throughout your whole life even when you were the child it made me wonder if coaching never entered your life where do you think your leadership would have shown up instead oh man that's a hard question like I'm competitive I probably would have been a losing gambler but trying like heck like trying like heck I don't know I mean I I do I love kids so my work would have been with kids and I'm glad that coaching found me like I'm glad somebody saw something in me that I didn't see in my side. I didn't see coaches. I didn't want to coach at all and I don't know why because I had great coaches. I had great people in my life that

that challenged me that were good at it but when I when I had coaching friends the only thing they talked about were their teams and basketball and I'm like yeah this is what I do every day. I do this every day. Why would I want to talk about it every day? Why would I want my life consumed with it? And here I am, 25 years later, like, loving it. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And when you're able to live out your passion, it's the most beautiful, liberating, and incredible experience. Like, I know my players really get something out of our relationship. They do. They build character. They navigate life. But for me, I'm overjoyed when they graduate, I'm overjoyed on draft

night, I'm overjoyed when they're able to see their hard work, produce what they want to, like, even if they don't make it to the league, they're equipped with being successful with anything. Like, seriously, that does something to my heart when young people

were able to get what they're supposed to. You know, you talked about your players. You got a lot of success stories from your time coaching at the University of South Carolina, but in the book, you may get no secret that Asia Wosher is your favorite. Well, I mean, I mean, here's why. And I don't, I've coached a lot of great players. Like, Asia was the very first player that was the number one play in the country to decide she wanted to come play for us.

And I know it was in her backyard. And we didn't look like a national championship team. Like, we never won a national championship. We had never been to the final four. So for her to trust us with that part of her career meant that she believed in us. She trusted us. She knew that we were going to get. get her to where she needed to go as far as still being the number one draft pick like four years

later like when someone and it wasn't just her it was her entire family believed in it and it took some at times them thinking that we make the right decision because she didn't she started her first game and then she was terrible like scrub like right scrub like scrub like that's far so I was like I got to take you out of the starting lineup. But I didn't even tell her that. I told her parents first. And her mom, Eva, was like, you're sure?

I'm like, you're going to have to trust me on this one. Like, you're just going to have to trust me. And she was like, all right. But at the end of her freshman year, she was national rookie at a year. She was first team all SEC. She was rookie at a year in the SEC. Like, she got all the accolades coming off the bench.

And when someone as a coach and leader and mentor young people believe in you like they really do when that's reciprocated because i believed that i knew that she was going to be the one that takes us to that next level when you're able to have the same synergy you know as Asia was was hell to deal with right because she's young like she with the private school for like 12 years all of her schooling was a private school so she she needed to be roughened up a little bit to get her ready for what she faces like faces the critics right now, but I know she can handle them because we took her through all of that. Like, she's, she had dyslexia, right, throughout her college career. And I'm like,

okay, you're going to read in front of the team. Every time we have a game, because we have, we have a, like, a scripture reading and an inspirational reading before every pregame meal. And there's somebody that has to read it. So I was like, you're going to read. It took her, her senior year. Couldn't do it the first, second, the third. Her senior year, she read out loud and she had fun with it. She said, y'all, this is a long, y'all don't have to bear with me. Like, it was that kind of liberation. So when she gave her entire self to me, the good, the bad, the ugly, entire.

You know, that's why I just have a really strong, like, relationship with her. Like, she could tell me anything. Like, I'm non-judgmental. Like, young people won't want to tell you everything because they think you're going to judge them. I don't judge. Like, there's nothing that. Any one of my current, former, future players can tell me that that's going to rock me, that I haven't seen.

Like, everybody's been through, like, there's no new problems. It's the same old recycle problems. So just give it here. So you're not dealing with it longer than you need to. You know, it's interesting, right? Because I was watching you, you did Good Morning America, to View Colbert, all of that stuff like that. So you was working, but I still know, you're still the coach at the University of South Carolina. But I was like, oh, you know what?

She'll be fine because she used to play ball and coach at the same time, which I found out about the book that was insane six years that's crazy six years i mean when i when i got into coaching i was like in my prime so you know the the the ad at the time he kept asking me like he was persistent like i'm like no no i'm not interested i'm playing in the wmba this is and then he just kept asking and then i ended up having to go meet with him because the final four was in philly from philly he knew i was going to be there so i went and sat down with him and he asked me two questions. He was like, can you lead? Did you do your research? Like, did you like? And I was like, yeah, I basically was the captain on every team that I played on, right? And then he was like, can you turn Temple Women's Basketball program around? I was like, oh, is that a challenge? Like, is that really a challenge? Because I'm drawing the challenges. And I never answered the question. I don't even think I answered the question. He was like, hey, can you just come down the hall and meet some people? So I was like, okay, I'm here. He took me in this conference room. sat me at the head of the table and they were like 10 to 12 people sitting around this table

and they're asking me questions like where do you see yourself for five years I'm like playing in the WNBA and they were like do you do you have to see yourself coaching and I'm like no like y'all they were interviewing me I was on a job interview and I didn't know it because all my job interviews were tryouts like basketball like physical tryouts needless to say I took the job two weeks later they they just agreed to allow me to continue to play playing coach. So I was in like basketball utopia because I was coaching and I'm actually still able to express myself on the court because I wasn't ready to hang up my shoes. I was still very much a player and I think that allowed me to play a little bit longer than I wanted

to and that allowed me to keep staying fresh with what was up with teaching young people because they were more enthralled with me playing because that's what they wanted. Like, I was living their dream, right? Before their very eyes. And I think it just helped me be a better coach, be a more understanding coach because I was a player

receiving the information from a coach. And then I just helped the dynamics of what I was doing. Now, I wanted to ask about your father, right? You mentioned your father earlier, and you said your relationship wasn't that great, but you said it got better over the way. years. Do you understand some of the things that your father was trying to implement

in you as a young girl? Because they said that your father looked at women's basketball and felt that wasn't too many opportunities and didn't know if you could sustain at that time. And do you wish that you kind of put yourself in his mentality back then as a child? Because even with the name of the book, it says basketball in North Philly, my mother

but not my father. So explain that. But not my father. Good catch. You know, I think I think even the one, like, family members that are, that are closest to you, yes, I thought I, yes, I should have had had a much more mature outlook on that relationship, now that you can reflect on it, now that you can see, because I, I, I, I, you know, if you can hear it, I still hold that instance, but when you, when you're coaching, right, you come into a situation where you heard a player, like you heard that player, that was

like probably 12 years ago. I hurt that player. Like, it drives me to not hurt other players. And I wasn't mature enough or savvy enough to handle that at 12 or 13. So I do think it's helped me be a better coach. It helps

me be a better person to really, like, again, I didn't talk about things. I held that. My father probably didn't, probably doesn't, he's, he's been dead and gone since 2001. Like, I don't even think, he really knew how much that hurt me.

But I also used that to navigate the nose. Like I handle nose a lot better because of that. I love to respect the power of Habits chapter. And in that chapter, you speak extremely highly of South Carolina's own Malaysia for Wiley. And you even refer to her as a younger, savier version of you. You say, and this is a quote, I heard from so many adults who gave their own parents hell only to see that teenagers return to favor.

now it's my turn in the barrel. So when I see you had, when I read that and I was like, damn, she had so much love for Malaysia. What was your initial reaction when she decided to enter the portal? And was it surprising to you? Surprising, no. I think, you know, being in this space,

you become to expect the unexpected, right? I still have much love for Malaysia. Like, much love. Like, I want to have, she and a mom came in. She said, I think I'm going to get into the transfer portal. So I'm like, okay, well, you think or you know. and she said, I know. And I said, well, I only want you happy.

Like, I really do only want our players happy. Whether that's with us or somewhere else, just be happy. I told her, don't look back. I know it's probably going to be hard to not look back to see, you know, you leaving your hometown and all that. I said, don't look back. Like, you made this decision. Just go forward with it.

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And when I say that, people probably think, oh, but I do. Like, I really do. Like, because I am, what's for us is for us. was not is what's not let's keep moving I don't stay in despair I don't stay in those spaces for very long

I'm like okay we got to get recruiting we got to get back into this portal to see who we can get to help us I think she's going to have a promising career

I do think she's a generational talent that will never leave like she does things on the basketball court that I've never seen a woman do and she'll continue to do that

and will continue to be happy for her except the one or two times that we have to play them. Like, it's on. Like, she's going to be super competitive against us. We're going to want to win, and it's going to be a pride thing. That comes with just being a competitor. And we got much love for her and her family.

Now, this has nothing to do with the book, but I wanted to ask us we talk about players. You know, WMBA has taken a huge jump in the last couple of years, and I love it. My daughters love it. My sons love it. What do you think what's going on in the WNBA with it? It seems like they're pitting, you know,

Caitlin Klaus. against Angel Reese, right? Kind of what they did in NBA back in the day, but it was more teams, right? I guess maybe not teams. It was Magic with Bird, this one versus that one. But this one, it just seems like it seems very personable. So what do your thoughts like even the other day

with that foul and they called it a flagrant foul? I don't necessarily agree, but what are your thoughts on it? Well, I think the officiating has a hard job. That's one. The deciphered whether or not that's a flagrant one or not. Hard job. And I do think they understand the dynamics of Angel and Caitlin. I do.

I think it's great for our game. Exactly. Yeah, like, it's a sport. Treat us like a sport. Don't treat us anything other than being a sport. It happens in every sport. Soccer, basketball, football, it happens in every sport. So let it be.

I'm going to take the lead of Angel and Caitlin. And that lead is, they said it was a file. The officials got it right. We're moving on. That's what I'm going to take their lead. Okay. I think it pulls people. in I do think there are new fans that haven't watched our game and they really don't know

so they only they're only singly focused on Caitlin right right so when you're that and that's that's their idol that's who attracts them but I just hope that they'll open their eyes to the rest of the talent that is there like the product the product is incredible like and it's in high demand we we play Caitlin in a national championship last year, right? $20 million topped off at, whatever it topped off at the most. I know they saw us. Like, I know they saw us.

I know they saw us have an undefeated season. I know they saw Camilla Cardozo. I know they saw Ashton Wax. I know they saw Tessa Johnson have an incredible career or day. I know they saw Malaysia do some incredible things. Like, so open your eyes up to seeing outside of Caitlin. Well, not even outside, included, because she's a part of it all. So, you know, I'm looking forward to the next time they play too.

I'm going to be glued in, just like everybody else, yes. I want to go back to that chapter of respect the power of habits, right? When you talk about Malaysia, it is with such reverence. How do you balance disappointment as a coach with support for somebody like her who just wanted to make a decision for herself? If a young person is going to speak on what they deem is good for them, that's half the battle. Like half the battles to be able to speak up And you know how hard it was for her to do that? Like really hard, really hard.

So I understand that dynamics of her decision making And then it's like, okay, well, what do you do with it? Like if she was my player and there was a chance for her to want to come back Or if she decided that this is that, that's not what she wanted to do. I was going to talk to her about why? Why did it come to that? What makes you think this isn't a place for what? whatever she said, we would go from there. I thought Malaysia, Malaysia was getting better.

Like, I really, I saw a whole lot of growth on and off the court to where LSU is going to get the best of her now. Like, we went through the, you know, we went through the hard part of just kind of smooth and some rough edges and getting her to create good habits. Like, like, I do think habits are the thing that allows you to elevate, right? I do. So I think, I think, I think, What we've given her and what she's given us will allow her to have much better days, much more consistent days than she had with us at her next stop. Well, thank you, Don. New book, Uncommon Favor, Basketball, North Philly. My mother and the life lessons I learned from all three is available everywhere you buy books now.

Go get it. You are guaranteed to learn something. That's right. You are an icon living, Don. We appreciate your presence on this earth. We thank God for you. Thank you. Absolutely.

Thank you. I appreciate y'all. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. it's time for donkey today I ain't trying to be donkey today no more they should be embarrassed by what they already did I'm not making these people do these things called donkey of the day

and it really caught me off guard damn Solomon who got the donkey of the day today well just hilarious donkey today goes to a 20 year old New Jersey man named Edward King yes like the conqueror Kang okay he is facing an attempted murder charge after allegedly gotta say allegedly flying to Florida impressing somebody who was talking crazy on the internet. In my mind, I'm all for this, okay?

Because you should not be able to talk reckless from the comfort of your own home and not get approached about it. Okay, that's the problem with the internet. People think they can say any damn thing because they never got punched in their face for saying any damn thing. Well, Edward Kang is a gamer, okay? And he is now facing an attempted murder charge after flying to Florida and attacking a fellow gamer with a hammer over an online dispute.

Let's go to First Coast News for the report, please. There's some things that make you say, what in the world was he thinking? That's reaction after 20-year-old Edward King flew from New Jersey to Jacksonville, Florida, and attacked a man he argued with during an online game called Arch Age. Police say King bought a hammer at a hardware store and then went to the victim's home in Fernandina Beach around 2 a.m. Sunday. The door was unlocked, according to investigators, and the victim was playing a game in his room, but took a break to news. the bathroom. Once he opened the door, he noticed the suspect standing with a hammer raised in the air in an anticipated strike position. The suspect was wearing all black

gloves and a mask. This is the hammer King used in the attack. The victim fought back and the victim's stepdad was awoken by the sounds. He then helped the victim hold King until police arrived. The suspect asked our deputy, how much time in jail do you get for breaking an interim in assault. And I would say Mr. King, it's going to be a long time before you play video games again. Burn. Burn.

Okay. More details. If you're wondering, Edward King told his family he was going to meet a friend he met years ago through the online video game, Archage, which will no longer be accessible in the United States because of a declining number of active players. So he flew from Newark to Jacksonville, went to a hotel

near the victim's home, purchased a hammer, and a flashlight at a hardware store. I'm shocked he just didn't buy a gun. Okay, Florida don't require a permit to buy a gun, nor is there a permit that exempts any person from the background check requirement. So the moral of the story is you could have bought a different type of hammer, Edward, but thank God he didn't. Now, how did he get the Addy?

I don't know. This sounds to me like the other online gave him must have dropped the location because he thought he couldn't be touched. And Edward King said, stop hammer time. Now I'm going to tell you something. This is very ninja-like. And when I say ninja, I'm not using that as a substitute for the N-word. I'm talking actual ninjas like teenage mutant turtles,

like a person skilled in the Japanese arminia. of ninjitsu, okay, wearing all black, black gloves, black mask, sneaking in the unlocked doors, waiting until dude got up to go to the bathroom and then attacking him with a hammer? Now, the victim was the same age as Edward Kang, 20 years old, and he was, as you heard, you know, he was able to wrestle Edward to the ground. The stepfather woke up and they were able to take the hammer away. Florida, I got to say, man, y'all getting soft, okay? Y'all letting people fly from out of state to Florida arms with nothing but a tool, breaking in your houses, attacking y'all, and nobody getting shot?

I have zero remorse for individuals who break into other individuals' houses. If you are bold enough to break into my sanctuary of peace, then guess what? You will rest in that piece, okay? I don't care how old you are. I'm not asking for no damn ID when you break into my place of residence for any reason. You break into people's houses when they are at home. You deserve to get whatever comes with that, even if it's death. Now, you heard the sheriff say they asked Kang what his motive was,

and he allegedly told deputies that the victim is a bad person online. Well, guess what, Edward? have grown to be a bad person in real life. Okay? There's nothing this person said to you online that equates to you receiving second degree murder and armed burglary charges. Now, Edward King, you know, you heard him ask the officer, you know, how much jail time do you receive for breaking and entering? And the officer said, I would say Mr. King will be a long time before you play video games ever again. I like that kind of petty. This is a prime example of why you have to learn from the mistakes

of others, okay? Edward King did what so many of us had wanted, have wanted to do. Do! Okay, pulled up on someone talking reckless online and beat a mother-loving ass. That was a B-E-T edit. I'll beat your mother-loving ass. Why can't I love my mother? Even though it may sound good, I'm going to roll up on him and beat his ass at the end of the day. It's not good. Okay, this 20-year-old has a second-degree murder charge and a burglary charge.

And, you know, Sheriff Bill Leeper said this incident serves as a stark reminder of the potential real-world consequences of online. interaction. I don't encourage behavior like Edward King, but I understand it. And I truly believe folks should talk to people online the way you do in the real world because you just never know. Disrespect the wrong person and they may be it, maybe at your front

door. Dressed in all black like the omen. Next thing you know, your friends are singing this is for my homie. Please let Remy Ma give Edward Kang the biggest he-haw. He-haw! He-ha! You stupid, motherfucker-a-you-dum. Now there's nothing left to do but play a game of Guess what race it is?

Edward King, 20 years old from Newark, New Jersey, flew from Newark, New Jersey to Jacksonville, Florida, and beat up a man who was talking spicy online. DJ Envy, guess what race he is? Damn, this is a tough one. Let's go black. That's it. Damn, down, down.

Why? Tell me why. Because you was dressed in all black? Why? No, no, no, no, no, because sometimes you push people too much, and you said Newark, New York, New Jersey, so I figure Newark is predominantly black, right? He flew out there and beat the guy's ass. Okay. Well, I figure he's butt. Okay.

Just hilarious. Edward King, 20 years old, flew from Newark, New York, New Jersey to Jacksonville, Florida, and beat up a man who was talking spicy online. Jeff Hilaris! Guess what race is! Asian. Wopan Kangnam Star. His name is Kane. And then Newark has been gentrified. still being gentrified

I don't know if it's being gentrified that much Is it? Excuse me I don't know You don't know A lot of different races Coming through the end up The only thing is

I see black people are going to waste their money Fly into Florida to beat somebody That ain't true That's a damn line Are you out your damn line I ain't say black I say expensive No I'm just saying

I'm thinking about myself Yeah yeah Well But them Asians You know they be having points One of y'all is correct Uh huh One of y'all is dead wrong

Okay DJ envy you are dead wrong. Jess Elias, you are absolutely correct. Edward King is Asian. He's Nick. His last name King.

K-A-N-G. Yes, he is. Oh, you said Kang. Yes. I thought he said King. King. Kang. King.

That sounds like he said King. I said King like the Conqueror. I ain't say King like Martin Luther. Yeah, King like Luke King. That's right. Exactly. There you go. And I know his first name is not Edward,

but you know they get like different names. when they come over here because it may be something else that we don't can't pronounce. I even gave y'all a little hint during the donkey but y'all just wasn't paying attention. What was the hand? I'm not going to say because I don't know if it's racist or not. I'm not going to shut up. But you'll hear it if you listen back to it.

Okay. Yeah, but I already knew. I think y'all cheated. There's no way you just got that one out the blue. Edward King. To use context clues. Yes. And he flew. He flew. All right. I'm going to play family food with you then. Do you know the clues? Do you know the clues? All right. It's the breakfast club. Good morning.

Morning, everybody, it's D.J.N.V., just hilarious. Charlemagne de God. We are the Breakfast Club. Lawlerosis here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Come on, man. Another cultural icon. We're having a weaker cultural icon.

Yes. AI. Alan Arvison. Bumperchuk, whatever you want to call him. It's the 757. He's in the building. New book, Misunderstood, is out right now. That's right.

Alan Arvison, ladies and gentlemen. How you feeling, man? Good. Life. Life be life, same fight. Different round. Before we start, how much time we got. Because I don't know where it's going to go.

But look, man, friends. All right. So I know, you know, what type of... I mean, I'm just mean, just. But, you know, you know how you get to know somebody from afar and you can basically kind of tell what type of person they are. You know what I mean? Obviously, I've known you since I was in high school.

And big fan of you both. Friendships, man. It's hard. Because when you think about your friend, Obviously, you know, you can't choose your family members. You know what I mean? You're born into that. But your friends, you feel like y'all got so much in common with each other.

And you have so much love for them because, you know, they're kind of like a, basically a flexion of you. Or you get the same type of things in common or whatever. And you just grow to love them like family. They become, you know, the guys become brothers and your home girls become your sisters. But it's rough, man, navigating through. that, you know what I mean? I know how much I love my family. My friends, I got so much flat when I first got into the lead.

You know what I mean? It was the entourage. Absolutely. Bringing home boys from where you're from. You trust them so much. You love them. You want them to go on the ride with you. You want them to take this journey, you know, through it.

It's new to me. I've been poor all my whole life and then snap of a finger. I'm rich and famous. And it's a lot. You know what I mean? So you want to have so many people around you. that you love and you trust, you know what I mean? And the money, man, just, you know what I mean?

And it's so different for me, and it's so hard for me because with my athletic ability that I was blessed with, I've been like this since I was eight years old. Like, I always felt that I was rich, but I was poor. I always been famous. You know what I mean? When I was eight years old, I go into barbershop and guys, 17, 18, 20, 25 years old, guys like, oh, there you go.

You know, that's the one right there. That's him. So it's always been that for me. I always had that attention. You know what I mean? I always been like that. You know, once I got some money, it was no different for me. Obviously, I could do things with my family and my friends that I couldn't do before.

You know, that goes without saying. Man, just the painful lessons of friends not being who you think they. they are when you had the root of all evil and the things something just recently happened definitely it happens all the time

but I feel a pendulum swinging in another direction as far as how I feel about it like how it used to hurt me you know what I mean you tell someone you want to find out

if somebody your friend you tell them no one that's right that's right that's right and their reaction would say it all

you know what I mean Chuck hey Man, I got a business, you know, opportunity. I want to start this. I want to start debt, man, can he give me $100,000? And you don't even have to tell them, no. You can say not right now, you know, later on.

But these are the same people. Pay their rent. Pay that over the years, child support. You know, pay your mom rent. You know, this, that's their, lawyer fees. Lawy fees. Every time you go to a jewelry store, you're taking them, you know, because the most awkward feeling is I don't want to be shining.

looking good and my home boy's not so when i go see manny you know what i mean they go you know what i mean when i get caused they get caused you know what i mean like and it's just like when you tell them no the way they you know they act you know somebody saying it's hey yo man what's up with your man they are you know what's up with a man f*** that you know what i mean like after reading your book nobody's your question your loyalty or ever say right not the way you took care of you i'm telling you what you seen but do you regret that because I mean, I don't, Virginia, that's you everywhere you went. That's where I say the pendulum is swinging.

That's where I say or feel that my maturation is on a higher level now because back then when something traumatic would happen to me like that or I see how they act for me telling them no, I feel myself not giving the damn anymore. Like, you know what I mean? Even in the book, there's nobody. it felt like that was around you that didn't help you in some way, shape, before him. So you was repaying them.

Like, you talk about how when you was in jail, they was taking care of your mom, and they were the ones that would tell you, you know, you're not going to be hustling, you're going to be playing ball. So it wasn't like you just had a bunch of leeches around. You was people that looked out for you, so you looked back out for them. You know what? If I look out for one of my homeboys,

my home girls, I don't expect you to give it back. You know what I mean? I never asked for nothing back. You know what I mean? I just feel like me being the head of the snake the perfect example it's like me being on our 2001 team went to the finals i'm the killer everybody know that this is the guy going to put the ball in the basket this is what he do now what we do is compliment him we do everything else all his deficiencies things that he can't do on the defensive end of the you know of the court you know he's he's lead to league and steals year after year but you got to gamble and when he

gamble, the Kimbe is there to make sure I'm good. The O's there the block shots, make sure I'm good. They could do all of the things that I couldn't do it, and that's what made Voltron. You know what I mean? You put all those things together, and it was me and a bunch of dogs.

You know what I mean? And it's the same thing with my friendship. Yeah, he's the guy. People look at him another way, so I have a role. You know, I have to do this. This is my part. This is what I have to do. Another thing, too, and maybe this could be part of what you're feeling right now. it seemed like the whole team had a dream.

It wasn't you supposed to get on in basketball. You were supposed to get on in basketball. And everybody was supposed to make it a rap. So everybody was supposed to be doing their own thing. I didn't have the, I didn't have the, um, LeBron James. True. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson.

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where we fit in. You know what I mean? Like, I've had one of my homeboys tell me, like, I'm going to work every day, working every day. I'm supposed to be a superstar by now. You know what I'm going to work? I'm like, I've had incidents like,

you know, I'm getting ready to go on the road and it was a casino. I go to the bank. I get $50,000. They got 30,000 and large in 20,000, and, you know, 20th. And I'm getting on the plane. My man, come, I give him the 20,000. He looked at it like it was something wrong with it because it was all 20s.

You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, did this, you know, really just, did that really just happen? You know what I mean? Like, and it's like you can, you thinking you're doing was right, but you only, you're not holding people a, accountable. You've been a crutch for them. It's like putting a band-aid on something. You know what I mean? You're not stitching it up. You know what I mean? You not stapling it up. You know what I mean? And they always feel like that. You know what I mean? But like the hurtful part is the response of actually saying no. Aaron McKee,

Aaron McKee told me, he said, Chuck, just, you know what I mean? When you, when you, when you cutting your grass, you know what I mean? And you getting them snakes out of there, let them ask you for something and tell them no. You know what I mean? And I, and I, and I I think I'm doing a great job of cutting it, but you still got the little small, you know, the snakes might be gone, but some worms in there, some small. You know what I'm saying?

You know right now it's Charles Barkley and a whole bunch of people saying, we was trying to tell him this 30 years. Yeah. Like, it's just like the basketball aspect of everything, I ain't never think that I would retire there early. You know what I mean? Man, I ain't never had no backup plan.

Like, growing up, once my mom told me I could be anything, I wanted to be, I wanted to be an NBA basketball player, and that was it. It was no, it was no B, C, D. It was just that, that one dream. You know, Coach Thompson used to always tell me you always listening to everybody else. You always listening to somebody that's never been to, you know, from A to Z, telling you how to get there. You know what I mean?

And that's what I was. I had everybody that wasn't me and never had the experience telling me how to do it. I want to ask you about the title of the book, man. Do you think you were misunderstood? Did that the title of the book? Or did people outside of your circle just not take the time to understand you? You're a smart dude. Sometimes.

A lot. This is one of my favorite shows, so I, you know, I see the good days and bad days. You been ducking this one long time. I'm going to come. I watch Dame come up here. It's for real. It gets real. I think they can answer it better.

My perspective is they were learning on the fly, too. It's like, you know, with my documentary that's coming out, it was like three hours long. I think I cried like two and a half hours of. I had to keep walking out of the theater because you think you know when it comes to people that love you. You think you know how they feel about, you know, turbulent times. You know what I mean?

And you think you know how your girl feel. You think you know how your mom feel, your uncles, your aunts, your home boys your home girls but then when they actually tell you from their point of view how they felt you know and how they looked at things and how I didn't see

how I was fucking up how they had to try to address me with certain things like you know you driving the car we we riding shotgun and it's hard to tell somebody you know that's trying to live their life what they should do and what they

shouldn't do you know what I mean like I'm 21 years old, you know what I mean, when I got into the league, at that age, like, you couldn't, you couldn't tell me nothing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm here. You know what I mean?

Like, the dress code, I'm like, I dress like the dudes, the drug dealers from my neighborhood. Like, you know, I'm dressing like this because, you know, this is what I, the old here is from, from my neighbor, this is how they dress. You know what I mean? I just couldn't afford it. You know what I mean? My corn rolls, I got cornrows because, um, I'm, I'm not. I was tired of barbers messing my hair.

I'm like, damn, if I just grow my hair, you know, I ain't got to deal with that. You know, tattoos just got addictive. I got one. I couldn't afford them. I would have been got a lot of them. My daddy was a hustler. You know what I mean?

He was in the streets. My mom, in the streets. Like, I didn't have no. I didn't have no. Somebody to sit you down and give you structure, yo. This is how you can do things. Wasn't no coach Thompson then. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Wasn't those people, they weren't in my life yet. So all of that was where he was. He was. It was, he was there when I got to the NBA, me and his phone calls was, you know, you're all right? We never talked about basketball. You all right? Yeah, I'm all right.

I'm just checking all you. I just want to. She good. How to kids? You know what I mean? And that was it. He was allowing me and thinking he was preparing me at Georgetown for what was the inevitable. Me going to the league.

But you can't prepare for that, bro. How was that pressure, though, because the nicest player, right? But you change culture. But when you change the culture, the NBA pushed back against it. But you never broke. You never folded, even though they could have said, they could have banned AI and said, now, we don't want you in our league. But you never folded.

You never backed down and you kept it that way, which hurt you at times. Why was that? They profited off of two. You know what I mean? I would be on, one of the things that hurt me is I was on a magazine. They wanted me on a magazine because of my talent and who I was, but they airbrushed my tattoos off. So you want me, but you, you know, you won't.

some of me. I took the asswood before it, but the dress code thing, like I actually was just, you know what I mean? I was 21. Where am I going after the game? I'm going to the club.

You know what I mean? Like, before that, they were used to dudes wearing soups and, you know what I mean? I was like, man, like, I've never worn a suit growing up, going to church or to a funeral.

The only time I put on a suit. In the courtroom. In the courtroom. I, um, definitely in the courtroom so I never wore a soup to the to the gym to play to the to the to the park sweatsuit you know what I mean or whatever you know what I'm saying so I didn't think I didn't think nothing of it David Stern and the rest of the NBA was like nah because it was all right when I was doing it but then everybody else said okay

like he can do that we can do this so then everybody you know you see Kobe coming in with the diamond chains on and the baggy clothes and you know everybody started doing it, then the lead was like, hold on, we got to do something about that. So it wasn't, it wasn't anything malicious. Like, in that, and that whole situation showed me a lot and it proved a lot to me at a young age about stereotyping people because, you know, when you seen John Gotti, John Gotti kept on a $2,000 suit. But what was he? That's right.

He'd get busy. You know what I mean? So it ain't about, you know, what you got on the outside, is who you are. And they said that bothered you the most when they labeled you a thug. Yeah. I'd be cool with a street dude, cool with that. Because that's what I am. I mean, that's where I come from.

That's all I've ever been around in my life. That's where I grew up around. But a thugs, like, no, that's a stretch. I was wondering, would you change things? And the reason I asked that, because even in the book, you understood you had to wear a suit to court, but you didn't want to do it for press conferences in the NBA. I was bad advice.

Like, I was, you know, I was told. take a go to trial and go off whatever the judge say opposed to having a jury that was bad advice you know what I mean some of it but I was getting advice from people that never had been through it you know what I mean um I was told that if I wore a suit then they'd be lenient I was yeah I was extremely wrong oh so you wish you to just wore the the clothes I might as well yeah I remember I remember that same suit I was in a cell, it was 100 degrees with no fans in the holding sale. I was in an old man cell with 15 people.

You know what I mean? And that suit, when they came and got me, I was in the corner with my boxes on, you know what I mean? Soaking wet, and the suit was balled up in the corner when they came and got me out of there. I had on my box. You know what I mean? So I don't know. Do you regret anything? No, because I wouldn't be who I am now.

I wouldn't change anything, man, in my life. all of these experiences, even with the book, man. It's like, I love, like, my girl always talking to me about, why do you let, like, what I started talking about in the beginning. Why do you let that type of shit bother you? Come with the practice, press conference. No, just with my friends. How people, you know what I mean?

It's like, why? And I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I love the people that I love and it hurt when they show you who they really are. Of course. Because I'm thinking you're somebody else. You know what I mean? she's like you know why do you stress out over stuff like that and what i'm you different you have

a talent and you you're blessed to be able to brush that stuff off it's hard for me now my talent obviously is you know legendary with who but i think another blessed blessing that i have is to be an open book to be someone i'm embarrassed about practice rent i'm embarrassed about uh not really embarrassed, but it wasn't smart for me to, you know, because I remember you know, people telling me AI, you cannot take care of everybody and I used to let it go on one ear and right out of the

other, like, yo, you know what I mean? I'm going to be the exception to the rule. I'm going to take care to people that I love. Like, that's just me. You know what I mean? And, um... I think that's why I hurt you so bad, because your heart is in it. You love these people, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're Superman, but you still have a heart. You know what I mean? And you like

But this is, but this is my, this is my gift. Like, this is my gift to, this book, this, this documentary, my experiences, the turbulent, the ups and downs, like, if one kid or one adult, whatever, read this book and they can take something for me. I have people come to me all the time and be like, yo, man, you inspired my life, man, I would have died if it was for you. I would have went to jail for the rest of my life. You know what I mean? Like, you changed my life and that motivate me, you know what I mean? like to give more like to even when you're embarrassed

you're uncomfortable you know talk about it somebody might not have to go through it somebody might you might save somebody life I agree you know what I mean like talk about it man you was on top of the world you had all the money you know what I mean all you had to do it's easy for to tell Chuck what to do with his

easy for somebody say what I would have did man if I was him I would do you ain't me my you know what I'm sorry you know do you think You're not me. You know what I mean? I make mistakes.

I'm human just like you. I've seen an interview you gave up drinking six months ago. Yeah. What got you to that point where you said this is enough stuff? It was, I'll be lying if I would say it just, just stopped the brother. You know what I mean? It was situations, you know what I mean? You know, where's my shit?

You know what I mean? Like, I know I put it here. You know what I mean? It's the same thing. We're having certain guys around you. Everybody, when they're your people, your people know when you drunk. Yo, just chill, man. Just get him a two more glasses of dawn, man.

Hey, yo, man, I'm f***ed up right now, man. God damn, I need you. You know what I'm saying? Man, my this going on, that going on, man, I need you. You waited until I get this in because when I... And Emmy just talked about it, sir. When I get nice, man, will give you the shirt on this back. Man, man.

Hey, man. Two thousand. I got in my pocket, man. Yo, I went to sleep last night, 25,000 on me. on me. You know what I got $1,200? You can't wait to run through the looking stuff. Man, you gave such and such,

your little sneakers, you gave your sister your, your fur coat, you know what I mean? Like, and I mean, that's just small compared to the real, you know what I mean, not feeling well. You know what I mean? I mean, I did all this, and I was having fun last night to wake up feeling like this. You know what I mean? Then my responsibilities, you know what I mean?

You're missing flights and, you know what I mean? I mean, just a plethora of things, man. You just drinking, you know what I'm saying? Like, I started to evaluate and, like, what good does it do for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand? Like, you, I mean, you can have fun with your own boys, your home girls. You know what I mean?

Without debt? And I talk to God about it. I asked them to help me be strong. I can go to no AA or nothing like that. Like I was like, okay, I'm not doing it. And that's what it was. And the crazy thing about it is I've been with her for 15, I remember for 35 years. And since I was 15.

And this crazy part about it is she said when I told I was stopping, that after that she prayed on it. And she said that was the only time that she ever. prayed on it. Like, I've said it plenty of times in the past. And she said that was the only time that she prayed on it. And I was authentic with it. As a husband, what have you discovered? I'm a boyfriend.

Y'all married from like, man. You're married from like, I mean, we're married from like. I mean, we got divorced. You said you married divorced and you got right back together, like six months later or something you said? I mean, I don't, I want to, I want this point to be made because you think I'm who I am. And I was out of control.

I was out of control. And this threat was there for years. For years and years and years and years and years and years and years. And it's like the boy cried wolf. Like, whatever. I heard that before. You know what I mean? And then it was like she got to the point with like,

yo, I got to show this. I got to do something to show him I'm serious. And that's what happened. You're in that courtroom. You're looking over there. and you see number one right there and you're looking down at that paper and them tears hitting that paper

and they don't say, you know, I've been Georgetown versus Georgetown and it's been a scrimmage or sixes versus sixes and you're looking at the stat sheet, whatever, I'm looking at Iverson versus Iverson. You know what I mean? And like, yo, shit is real.

You know what I mean? Like, did you wear a suit? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And look, I really was defiant then. You know what I mean? Like, you got me in here, you know what I mean? Like, and I had a judge.

A judge was vicious. Like, I couldn't do nothing right. Even in that moment, you were defiant and, I guess, upset even though you knew, because you said you knew you were out of control. But so, like, in that moment, why are you defining upset if she's just doing what she thinks is going to help, I guess, to get you to a better spot for her? I was selfishly thinking about my demise because I know in my heart and in my heart, mind that I can't live without her you know what I'm saying like I know it like I know

I took I took her love for me for granted you know what I mean like as far as she loving me so much that I felt like you know that she would never she would never go nowhere like I've this all I've known this is the only love that I've ever known as far as like I've never loved someone like this in my life you know what I mean then a lot of times you know All women would say, or even guys, you know, anybody that's, you know, logical about anything. How you love her so much and you do the things. Yeah. And I don't have an answer for it.

We never do, though. No. As men, we never do. We don't know why we do the dumb shit we do. So how has not drinking and, you know, it seems like your, you know, your focus is different in this time of your life? How has that made you guys rediscover each other in a relationship? Oh, yeah. I'm Claire.

Huxville. I'm in Cliff. She's Claire. I'm Cliff Huxstable now. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I kind of get a feeling like I'm the guy, like I always felt like, you know, I was the guy she always wanted, you know what I mean, wanted to, you know, wanted me to be, but I really feel like that guy now. Like, I feel like it's, it's not the Huxstables around there, obviously, but, like, she love, you know, this me, you know, because you always getting this me. hard to take advantage of somebody that can see clear as hell. You know what I mean?

Opposed to being nonchalant about everything. You know what I mean? Like, it's a, you know, my homeboy says it's a different chuck now. You know what I mean? I see. I see what's going on. You know what I mean? All the stuff that I used to, you know, not pay attention to. I'm

paying attention to it now. You know what I mean? And I just think, you know, by me making this decision, it's so much better for not just myself. everybody around me. I can help better. My advice is better.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm a better friend now. I'm a better family member. You know, this shit's clear. You know what I'm saying? Like, I promise you I'm the smartest man in the world because I know I'm not. They're saying you got a rap,

but I do got one last question, man. You changed the entire culture of basketball. But to me, you changed black culture. You also change hip-hop culture from your fashion to your attitude to just your authenticity. When you see how the NBA in the world embraces individuality now,

do you feel celebrated or do you still feel misunderstood? It's, I get the opportunity. Like, this is an opportunity for me. You know what I mean? Like, all of those years, you wanted to. You know, you wanted to say, ah, man, you got me wrong.

Talk about it to your family. You're friends, man, I'm misunderstood, man. They don't, they ain't getting it. You know what I mean? It ain't like that. and then this platform, and then all the other big platforms, you know, just you guys give me an opportunity to come up here and ask me shit that I want to answer that,

that I want the world to know. And this book took years, you know what I mean? The documentary took years to do. I'm just happy that I get an opportunity to tell my story, write my story, and help, and help somebody. All I want is for people to get out of it, Man, it's all right to be you. It's all right.

That's right. You know what I mean? And it's things that's going to happen in your life, and it's going to be tough. You know what I mean? But that's when you're going to lean on, number one. You're going to lean on him. You're going to lean on God.

They don't ask them any, you don't question him at all. You know what I mean? Whatever happened happened. My grandma told me when I went to jail, that bowling alley thing, I said, Nan'am, why are they doing this to me if they know I didn't do it? what they said I did. Don't question God. Never questioned God.

And I've never done it since then. You know what I mean? Whatever he do, you know what I mean? I'm cool with it. You know what I mean? He driving his car and I'm just sitting there, ride shotgun, wherever he take me. That's where I'm going and I'm going

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