The Breakfast Club - The Breakfast Club Best Of Episode(Joe Clair Interview, LL Cool J And The Roots Interview, Fab Five Freddy Interview, What Makes You Not Want To Hook Up With A Guy?)

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

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Listen to I do part two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, everyone. This is Courtney Thorne-Smith, Laura Layton, and Daphne Zuniga. On July 8th, 1992, apartment buildings with pools were never quite the same as Melrose Place was introduced to the world. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal, and every single wig removal together. So listen to Still the Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey y'all, Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called

Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. The tip of the cap, there's another one gone.

Each episode is about a different, inspiring figure from history. Like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it. Did you know, did you know, I wouldn't give up my seat. Nine months before Rosa, it was called a moment. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, 1974. George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. The story behind the Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa.

It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club is on. Wake up! The Breakfast Club, Envy, and Charlamagne, the voice of the culture. You think I'm going to come here when this shit ain't hot?

See, y'all are different. Y'all are the culture. It's different. You know what I'm saying? Like, y'all know what y'all talking about. This is probably becoming the most prominent forum for hip-hop. Being here next to all of you guys, it's really big. Perspective.

The Breakfast Club, bitches. Wake up! It's a new day. This is your time to get it off your bitches. Wake up. It's a new day. This is your time to get it off your chest. Wake up. Whether you're mad or blessed. It's time to get up and get something. Call up now.

800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? It's Nasty Blind Buck. What up, Envy? Nasty Blind Buck. What up, brother? That sounds gross.

What up, man? Y'all don't remember me, man? Nasty Blind Buck. Y'all Envy? Nasty Blind Buck. What up, brother? That sounds gross. What up, man? Y'all remember me, man? Nasty Blind Buck. Y'all leave me out with all the blind beauty. Yeah, from VA, man. 757. Well, how are you, sir? How's it going?

I'm good. How y'all doing, man? Bless Black and highly famous. Yeah, man. I just want to tell y'all about my podcast that y'all got me started. It's called 3AM Pot. Okay. Yeah, so I'm just interviewing a bunch of local and blind people out there in the world

that's going through life and doing different things. So y'all follow me on that, IG at 3AM Bot. You said you're interviewing local blind people? Yeah, local blind people and blind people just all over the world. Okay. My last interview, I had a blind artist up there. He's from Maryland. So, yeah, man, I'm just interviewing everybody that's doing something.

I like the idea of that podcast, man. I can see that working. Yeah. But there's a lot of blind people that actually listen. So, how can they get in touch with you if they want to get on your podcast? All right, listen, follow me on IG at 3AMPod. All right, brother. By the way.

And you can go on Spotify and listen to the podcast. If you're going to launch a podcast, you should think of a unique angle. Because there's so many podcasts out there. So in order to cut through the noise, you got to have like a unique angle. And that is a very unique angle. I think you can get more creative with the name. What's it called? What's it called?

3AM Podcast. Oh. What does that mean, though? I don't know. I think it means? What's it called? 3AM Podcast. Oh. What does that mean though? I don't know. I think it's more like letting those blind people be interviewed. It might be,

it might be, you should have asked him. There might be some meaning behind that. He hung up. Hello, who's this? Hey, good morning, Envy. Good morning.

Good morning, Queen. Good morning. Get it off your chest, brother. Yeah, I just, Envy, please don't hang up on me. I got two things, man. I just want to talk about the topic you had yesterday, man. I got two things, man. I just want to talk about the topic you had yesterday, man.

It really touched me, man. I had my allergies acting up. What was that? Pretty much, when it comes to the marriage thing, I've been married for pretty much 15 years, been together for 22.

I love my queen, unconditionally. I don't care what she goes through. I'm going through that with her. And for the most part, man, my second thing is that I just want to shout my queen for the most part, man, my second thing is that I just want to shout my queen and my kids out, man, because I never got a chance to do

that last time, Envy. And I just want to let them know that LaShonna Sanders, TJ, Tyler, Tariah, and JoJo, daddy love y'all wholeheartedly. And every day, I'm going to strive to be a better father, a better friend to my wife, and just a better person for the black community, man.

I just want to let y'all know, y'all make their heads more logical when it comes to thinking about realizing that our communities need people like you guys, man, because there's a lot of negativity out here. And one thing I say about you guys, you put it in perspective the way it needs to be put. And I appreciate you brothers, man, because every day you motivate me to be better. You motivate me to get my, get off my butt and go make it happen for my family.

And I just want y'all to know, man, I love y'all, man. And thank you. Appreciate you. Love you too. Happy holidays, my brother. Hello, who's this? It's me, Tanya,

from the, well, I'm Jamaican. Hey, Tanya. Hey, who's this? It's me, Tanya, from the well, I'm Jamaican. Hey, Tanya. Hey, Tanya. Pick up yourself, Salome, and I ain't picking up for myself. Pick up for myself. This morning, I had to call in to give you guys the great news.

My son got accepted to Harvard. Hey! Congratulations. Zachary, Zachary and guess what happened? to Harvard. Hey! Congratulations. Go, go, go, go, go, go. Zachary. Zachary, say, and guess what happened? What?

I've been listening to you guys for years. Every morning, we drive from the Bronx to Manhattan to Success Academy. And I've been doing this for years, taking us to school.

Every day. So big up to all the success teachers. Big up to that school. I'm telling you, I'm so proud of my son. I'm so proud of him. We're proud of him too, man. That's so great, mama. You know what

happened? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Everybody has a story. But Charlamagne always say the craziest people from the Bronx and Florida. And I'm not even lying to you, Charlamagne. You're in Florida. And I'm not even lying to you, Salome. You're a child of your opinion, but I'm going to tell you this. Great things is not where you raise your kids, it's how you raise them.

That's right. You understand what I'm saying? Yes, ma'am. My son put out the most effortless work. I watch him every day how he goes hard, hard, real hard. And just keep his name in your mind. Because he's going into economics and government. And, you know. Well, we wish him the best.

May God be with him always. And salute to your son. Thank you. The smartest people come from the Bronx. Tell Charlemagne the smartest people come from the Bronx. Smartest people come from the Bronx. But we originally Jamaican, you know. Okay, now cut it out now. I don't want them to pull the Bronx. Smartest people come from the Bronx, but we originally Jamaican, you know? Okay, now,

cut it out now. I don't want them to pull the application, all right? Because you acting like Safari a little too much. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Have a good one, my bro. Don't do that. Happy holidays. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now.

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It's your boy, Lovey, from the Bronx. I should have knew you was calling, Lovey. You got two brown-skinned women up here, and I know you. You was going to call immediately. Yes, yes. I just want to say, shout out to them, because I don't like to see my queens go at it. So that Browns girl, I'm glad they grinded that out. I know Charlamagne tried to get them to go at each other.

That is not true. And Lovey calls all the time, ladies, because he has a 13 and a half inch penis. You ain't even have to say that. Oh, this is that guy. The fact that you said that is silly. No, because I wanted to tell him why. No, but I know. You didn't have to say that.

I know him by the number. He just start calling being like, yo, it's 13. You ain't even have to say that. It has nothing to do with nothing. Just let him know. I'm glad you let him know. Okay.

All right, lovey. You have a good one. And then y'all be wondering why people be saying stuff about men all the goddamn time. That's how you present. Hi, I'm lovey. I have a 13 inch penis.

Here you go. Hey, this is my friend lovey. He got a 13 inch penis. I did not say lovey was my friend.. I have a 13-inch penis. And you go, Hey, this is my friend Lovey. He got a 13-inch penis. I did not say Lovey was my friend. He calls all the time on the radio. Is that a way to introduce somebody? And he calls all the time. Yes, he calls.

That's how 13 and a half inch friends listen. But he always talks about it when he calls. So it's kind of like his brain here. It's his calling heart. Mm-hmm. All right. And Tesla Figaro checked it out. So she said it's true.

What do you mean? How so? I don't know. You got to ask her. How'd she check it out? It's all right. How's that possible? You just got to ask her. How'd she check it out? Jubilee-doo-doo-doo-doo. Hey, y'all. It's all right. How's that possible? She's got to ask her.

How's that possible? Hello, who's this? Hello. Hello. Hello. You try playing. What's your name? I just wake up playing.

This is, my name is Neva. Hey, Neva. Hey, Neva. Get it off your chest, mama. How y'all guys doing? We good. Bless black and holly, baby. I'm upset.

Thank you. Good. I'm upset. Thank you. Good. I'm upset with my job because we just got word that they are closing down. Oh, wow. What's your job? You work at Spotify? Damn. No, I work in Westchester County.

It's an RTC. I don't want to say, but it's the RTC. You know what that is? The residential treatment center. So it's just like a bad time for like just overall. There's never a good time to get laid off, but it was no transparency, you know, with us. And they knew they were going down,

but they just never, you know, told us. And the morale was like low. Yeah. I'm sorry, Mama. Yeah, and they're just a bunch of snakes over there. And right during the holiday season, too. That's awful. That really is. Exactly.

Sorry about that. Yeah, sorry to hear that, Queen. That's awful. Yeah, it is. But I'm looking to, like, go into some other things as far as, like, doubling the contract. So I'm going to definitely go hard on that. You going to put your cash app out there?

Just, you know, just in case. I mean, I can. But, you know. All right, never mind now. Put it out there. I put my little money back in my pocket. Never mind. Don't even worry about it.

Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't even worry about it. Dollar. What's your petty self? That's right. That's right. Go ahead., no, no, no. Don't even worry about it. Dollar Sign. What's your penny sell? That's right.

That's right. Go ahead. Put it out there, mama. It's Dollar Sign, Neva, N-E-V-A, Lez, L-E-Z, 21. Now, you in Westchester, you a Lox fan? Oh, big time. Yeah, and Mary. Mary used to sit underneath my window in the project in school.

So you going to the show. Oh, you said Neva Lenz, N-E-V-A? L-E-Z, Neva Lenz with a Z. So you're going. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to see. Y'all let me put my name out there. I'm sorry.

It popped up on your cash. I'm going to send you a little. This is for lunch today. That's all. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. Let me see if you got it.

You got it. I just sent it to you. That was sweet. And you say you was Mary J. Blige, auntie. I got it. I appreciate that. Let me see if you got it. You got it? I just sent it to you. That was sweet. And you say you was Mary J. Blige's auntie? I got it to you, too. You said she was Mary J. Blige's auntie. If Mary sat up under your window in the projects, that's the auntie. You know her.

You definitely was auntie. You'd be auntie, the person next door. Thank you, guys. Y'all have a good weekend. Be blessed. All right, you have a happy holiday. You, too. That was sweet.

Thank you. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club. You too. That was sweet. Thank you. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody.

It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Hold on. The legendary. I see he got his Morgan State. Oh, really, bro? Really, bro?

You know, I just want to put my helmet here. Oh, baby. We got the brother Joe Cleezy here. Joe Cleezy. Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning. How y'all doing, baby? Explain this to me. I know the Hampton Howard rivalry, but what's Morgan State?

So every HBCU thinks it's the greatest HBCU that has ever been HBCU. That's correct. The only real one is Morgan State. But then the other ones still feel like they are a Morgan State. So you have that Howard Hampton thing where Morehouse thinks it's Morgan State. You know, FAMU thinks it's Morgan State. And no, I love those institutions. Great institutions who turn out incredible people,

but they're not. Watch your mouth. Yeah. Morgan State. I was gonna go to Morgan State because that's the first school that's on the tour. That's not helping your argument here. I'm gonna tell you, I was gonna go to Morgan. We go to Morgan, Howard, VSU,

Virginia Union, and then Hampton. When I went to Morgan State, I remember it like it was yesterday. It was the first thing we go on the campus. You want to call it a campus? Oh, no you didn't. Just because y'all got that little river running behind y'all little school. I heard this story before. Little campus.

And then you know what I seen on my dad's scene? Y'all were playing craps on the steps. My dad was like, this is the same thing as Queens. Why are you going to leave Queens to come to Baltimore? That's the school you want to go to. To play craps on the steps. That's what made me go to. So mine was the complete opposite.

As soon as I seen the crowd, I was like, this is the place for me. This is definitely the place for me to get a degree. It was perfect. Five years. Them five years served me well. Five years? You didn't do it in four? No, I ain't do it in four.

Me neither. I did it in five. I did my five. I was an RA. Man, I did everything you could do at school. I was the mascot one semester. I needed a gym credit. I needed a gym credit. They was like, you want to go lift weights or you want to be the mascot? I said, man, give me the bare

outfits. I was the most DC bear that I had on my new balance because it was a raggedy suit. Listen, Charlemagne, it was a raggedy suit. Right. Listen, Charlemagne, it was a raggedy suit at the time. We didn't have the funding to get a new mascot outfit at that time. Right.

Morgan State was going through some things. So they gave me the old one that they used to have, and the head was perfect. The suit, the feet, garbage. So I used to rock whatever. The bear would come out rocking fresh new butters. New butter Tims. And everybody, who was the band?

Who was the band? He fresh. Whoever the band, he fresh. The freshest band we ever had. Honestly, if you walk on an HBCU campus

and rolling dice scares you, you might not need to go to an HBCU. It is scary. My father was like, this is the same thing I've seen in Queens. And I don't want my kid, you know, rolling craps.

So what it is, we wasn't rolling craps. That was a probability study. See, your pops wasn't here. That was just a probability study. I got you. From some kids in the engineering department. Now, let's talk about what's going on in Morgan right now, Morgan State. You know, there was a shoot in there recently.

Yes. You guys had canceled the homecoming, and there was a lot going on so have you reached back out to the school how is everything happening now because i know you you're big when it comes to giving back to that school so uh i was supposed to actually host our homecoming gala which is the the biggest fundraiser of the year i hosted galey's year shirt you know tuxedo out and that got postponed to december the 8th the official homecoming got canceled okay but black people homecoming went on as planned oh they were still partying oh they were still partying they called it because the homecoming got canceled brunch okay because the home got me got canceled day party because the home so we you know you have

thousands of people who were looking forward to this weekend so they came down and had a great time and showed solidarity. After the shooting, you had mothers. There was a group of mothers who got together who didn't have kids and school who came up just to show support for kids who were far away from home who needed a mom. Oh, wow. If you need a hug, if you need to ask a mom question real quick, we're standing right here. Oh, wow. If you need to ask a mom question real quick, we're standing right here. And so while the tragedy happened and our prayers are with those students and their families and everybody affected, there's also this gigantic push of solidarity, this gigantic push of unity.

This is a new Morgan State and we're going to stand together to shake off some of the old reputation and move in a new positive way. When things like this pop up, it throws a monkey wrench into the we're a new Morgan thing. So we came out even. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more.

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and your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So y'all, this is Questlove and I'm here to tell you about a new podcast I've been working on with the Story Pirates and John Glickman called Historical Records. It's a family-friendly podcast. Yeah, you heard that right. A podcast for all ages. One you can listen to and enjoy with your kids starting on September 27th. I'm going to toss it over to the host of Historical Records, Nimany, to tell you all about it. Make sure you check it out. Hey, y'all. Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Historical Records brings history to life through hip hop. Each episode is about a different, inspiring figure from history.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Stronger. That's why i've been i've been orange and blue since that day you know my kids are walking around with the hats and everything else and i'm screaming it out as much as i possibly can these institutions you know i don't have to come on here and preach to you what an hbc means for our community so um you know at this time in my life i'm happy to be able to be there for my school, whatever they need.

They call me for anything. If the students need anything, my frat brothers need anything, they hit me up and like, let's go do X, Y, and Z. You think they should have canceled oncoming? I think it was a good call by, Dr. Wilson is an incredible leader for that school.

And let's imagine if he didn't cancel. This black mama ain't canceling the it's a tragedy. He did the smart thing. He did the thing that someone in academia should do. Let's cancel this. Everybody else though, we went and partied and everybody had a great time.

All the events around homecoming. None of that got shut down. You ain't canceling Red Essence. You ain't canceling the go-go. You're not even supposed to have a go-go in Baltimore in the first place. So the fact that you got a go-go in Baltimore, oh, we coming. And you're not canceling that. Why you can't have go-go in Baltimore? It's too old.

Baltimore, most of the country doesn't know that there is a unspoken rivalry between the African-American community in Baltimore and the African-American community in D.C. OK, they got their own language. And so we have two. We grew up with two different, like you said, cultures, different accents, music, food. We did way we dress and and the like. So when I got to Baltimore, there was no go-go whatsoever. You did not, don't even bring that up in Baltimore.

Now, because of, I think because of the 20, 30 years that D.C. has been heavy going to Morgan State, making alliances in the city. My wife is from the west side. First, let me say that. My wife is from the west side of Baltimore. And when I married a Baltimore woman, the D.C. women like like, hold on, Joe.

Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. No. You haven't had some of that old beta she's serving. She's got a crab boil for your ass that you don't know nothing about. And so I think that there's slowly but surely there's there's an alliance that has been coming uh between baltimore and dc at least the the the hard line has been softened i won't say there's an alliance but the hard line has been softened but you never hear about this rivalry that we had that goes on i think it's the stupidest thing ever

i think that the two uh communities afric, African-American communities in those major cities, D.C.'s a major city, Baltimore's a major city, I think we need to come together. Is there anything that brings y'all together? I would think like comedy, right? Because I think y'all got

such an underrated comedy. It's an underrated comedy scene in Baltimore, D.C. Because you got Dave, you got Donnell, you got... Just hilarious. So here's how we feel about that.

The same applies. So it's like this. Growing up, anything coming out of Baltimore, you just automatically X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you in Baltimore, anything coming out of D.C., you just automatically X. Nah, you don't know them.

I learned that from my Baltimore goons. What's up with y'all? I ain't saying no names. What's up with y'all? But I know some straight goons. And, you know, Baltimore i ain't saying no names what's up with y'all but i know some straight goons and and you know baltimore you know the wire was real let's let's let's keep let's keep it a buck the wire was real yeah and the climate in baltimore is serious it's very very serious so it's going to take 30 40 years for that alliance to pop off. 30, 40?

We're talking about black folks who are setting their ways. Black folks are very, very slow to change. And unless you have a reason to change, a very straightforward reason to change, there ain't going to be that much change. All right, when we come back, we're kicking it with Joe Clare. So don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.

The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ En Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're kicking it with Joe Clair, of course, from Rap City. Charlamagne? Another thing, too. I was watching the doc, man.

I've always loved the interview you did with Big. That's an iconic interview. Big, yeah. And I knew that was Big's last interview. It was his last television interview. I think Sway might have been his last. He went and did the radio. Now, did y'all shoot that in LA? Shot it in LA.

That's when he was laying in the park, right? Yep, we sat down. We were on a soundstage and they were shooting the hypnotized video. The dance scenes were going on in there. So they took a break from that sat us outside and that's how that interview popped off always wondered were you concerned for your safety shooting that in la at the time because it was all the east coast west coast

beef and all of that i'm concerned for my safety every day yeah so my head is always on a swivel so i didn't feel any more concerned than i normally feel when I go to L.A. I just know, like, doing Rap City, the thing that I knew was when you go to somebody, when you go to a city, you abide by their rules, you shut your mouth, don't start no s***, won't be no s***. So, nah, I didn't have any extra concerns for my safety that day. We had plenty of security, and I'm a civilian. Yeah, yeah. Then I sit and I do the interview.

It's a great day season junior mafia right behind us the dancer girls are over there of course and then Biggie said you want to smoke something the day just got better I'm not a smoker but if you're gonna smoke with somebody you're gonna smoke with Biggie Smalls all right so I had to catch a red eye that night because I was going out on the Def Comedy Jam tour this was the first night so i had to fly home wednesday after getting the interview pack my bags get on the tour buses coming from kid capri land in jersey coming down to dc pick me up and then we drive to dallas we do the show in dallas the next night we go to houston do the show in houston had a ball and 3 30 4 o'clock in the morning kid called my

phone like yo they say biggie got shot i'm you know it's four o'clock in the morning, kid called my phone. Like, yo, they say Biggie got shot. You know, it's 4 o'clock in the morning. You've been out drinking and shit. I'm like, whatever. You know, it's just some old hip-hop hearsay bull. Then my girlfriend at the time called me. She was like, they say Biggie got shot. Let me turn on Headline News.

Y'all remember Headline News used to every half hour? First story. Rapper Christopher Wallace has been gunned down. At this point, the interview wasn't out. The interview's not out. This is Sunday morning. I just was there Wednesday. This is Sunday morning at 6 in the morning.

So, nah, no interview out. They ain't get time to chat. They still in L.A. partying. And just those next couple of weeks, when I got to reflect on it, I realized I was just numb because tupac had just died and now biggie got killed i was like we cannot be that dumb are we black folks we really not that stupid are we is this who we are time has shown that unfortunately it said it was it was one of those times charlamagne and envy where i really just i just, I'm very us. I was like,

man, I, man, a lot of that. So a lot of the, like hanging out, I just did not want to do. Like,

because I don't know what you on. And then I, and I watched Cats. I knew some of the most righteous dudes. Next thing I know, he, he come with the chain and the, he got to get his swag together.

You, you already, you, you've been made since you was 19 years get his swag together. You? You already? You? You been made since you was 19 years or 10 years old you been made. You been a man. I know your family. I know what you staying on. You switching up because you think this is what the culture doing?

Damn. F*** my head up. And has colored how I see us since then. Nothing has changed your mind about it? I mean, remember, leading up to that, I sat in the middle of the east coast west coast thing every week every day every rapper's got something to say about the other coast is that what made you start saying east coast west coast worldwide i took it straight from the lost boys yes we really need to we really need to do this big shout out to mac 10 and fat joe because i don't know if you guys remember, they did a movie. Thick of the Water?

Something like that. And Fat Joe realized. And Fat Joe used to be coming up to the show like, man, f*** that. I'm keeping the flame going on this East Coast, West Coast. After that, I see Joe and he's like, nah, they cool. And then you see Mack 10 and Mack 10 like, nah, they cool. They super cool. And then you found out it really wasn't the east coast versus

it was the media making it and it was park against biggie and they used to be best friends and now we looking at really just came down to two best friends fell out now they have other influences and that just got bigger and bigger and bigger it was out of their control you know we have conversations on the breakfast club that have ended up confrontational did y'all have any of those on rap city that y'all y'all the only person who ever like tried to sum me he sum me one time it was my first live taping and i'm interviewing pete rock and cl smooth oh boy who's my heroes my i know the album back to backward and forward i know everything i know every syllable of that album. So it's like, five, four, three, two, go.

I'm like, hey, it's Rap City, Joe Clair here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I do my thing. So what's up with you? And then I don't get nothing from CL. He's pretty. So then the cameras cut off. He's like, yo, son, you mad extra. I said, what?

I said, what you mean? He's like, yo, over the top, B. You like mad extras, son. Yo, bring it down a little bit. Five, four, three, two. All right, y'all, it's your man Joe Clay here on Rap City. I got bigger. How did that end?

For me, I took it as a vet, somebody who was in the industry, showing me what he thought I should be. No skin off my, you know, that's what you think I should be already know Joe clear if there's nothing I know joke I know what Joe Claire do and I stayed extra but for five years I appreciate y'all this conversation oh man and we just let me get there's a few things I like to get off my chest. Make sure you follow me at Joe Clare on all social media platforms. If you are in the DMV, watch me every day at 3 o'clock on Fox 5. It's called the DMV Zone.

I am on the news every day. And you'll see it when you tune in. And other than that just follow your boy Matt when you got when your next shows I do my own shows monthly at a place

at a spot called Bowie in Bowie Maryland so we do a comedy show in Bowie very intelligent well to do black crap

so I love going in there we got heavy hitters coming through each and every month so just you can just check the schedule there and then

let me see I'll be at the... Go to JoeClair.com. There you go. Just go there, lad. Just go. Thank you. He's struggling. He's struggling.

Well, it's Joe Clair, ladies and gentlemen. And make sure you watch the Rap City Doc on VT. Yes. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. Good morning, everybody.

It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got our special guest co-host, Cappuccino here, of course, from Power 99 out in Philly. So we're asking 800-585-1051. Dingo is a gentleman that calls all the time on The Breakfast Club during Get It Off Your Chest. And he called this morning about his weekend, and this is what he said. I just flew this girl out this past weekend. It was whack.

I ain't gonna lie. It was whack. I ain't gonna lie. It was whack. Got out to Kendra G. I was on her single show a couple weeks back and, you know what I'm saying, put up my little spiel. Had some shorties hit me up. It was cool. On one that, you know, I decided to fly her out. We was having some good conversation because she was from Atlanta, right?

So I got her out. We was chilling. We was talking. I paid for everything, right? So I got her out. We was chilling. We was talking. I paid for everything, right? Took care of her. Took care of the arrangements, took care of the hotel, took care of everything we did. But she wasn't really giving me the vibes that it was trying to be romantic. It seemed like she was just looking for a trick. Tyler, she just met you the first time. You trying to smash her, baby Tyler? I think you were looking for the first time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no., no. We talked for like a good two weeks or so prior to her coming out. Right?

And we could have established this like, hey, you don't want to do nothing like that. That's cool. You just got to let me know before I spend all this money and make all these arrangements and all that. You feel me? I feel like that's fair. Because you coming out, you flying out, and I'm taking care of everything, and I told you that.

Right? And you get here, and you're like, oh, I ain't trying to be on that, which is cool. I get that. That's fine. But tell me I'm flying. So we're asking 800-585-1051. Ladies, what makes you not want to hook up with a guy? All right?

He said, you know, I guess they had a discussion. He thought he was going to get cheeks. He thought the vibe was there, and he got nothing. He was upset about it. Yeah, I think that's a very important question to ask. Because we never asked that when we had these, you know, conversations about women flying out. Because a woman gets on a plane. So clearly she wants to go.

She gets there. Clearly she wants to be there. But something happens once they meet the individual that turns them off. I just wonder what it could be. I'll be honest. Could you ask the woman in the room? No, I'm not going to speak for all the ladies. No, I'm not speaking for the ladies, but I will say this. I don't think, and shout out to Dingo, he calls all the time.

I don't think Dingo had a real conversation about the vibe. Because how can you have that conversation? When R. Kelly flew you out, did y'all have a conversation beforehand? When R. Kelly flew you out and left you sitting in the hotel room, did y'all have a conversation beforehand? Yeah, we were doing a mixtape. Okay. Yeah, we were doing a mixtape okay yeah we were doing a mixtape i wasn't expecting nothing everything was a mixtape it was understood okay but i'm saying like how do you have that conversation hey i'm gonna fly you out i'm gonna smash like you can't have that conversation that's why i

know they didn't have that conversation i mean you can these days you know everyone's bold and upfront about stuff so that conversation was probably had but as charlamagne, you know, everyone's bold and upfront about stuff. So that conversation was probably had. But as Charlamagne said, you know, when you get there in person, things change. But what changed your mind, Cappuccino? If I'm down. If you're not married. Because you're married. Right, right, yeah, yeah. If I'm down with smashing, cool.

But, you know, if you drop your pants and something just ain't right, you know, it's like, oh. You mean too small? That or maybe if I see some stains going on, it's like, oh, you know, the self-care ain't there. You know, that could be one thing. So maybe a small dingo or some doodle stains. Something. I would think the guy might be too thirsty, too, because even if you know that you and the young lady are supposed to get it in,

you don't got to act like that the whole time. Well, I think she'll know from jump when he says, I'm going to fly you out and we're going to do all this. That alone tells me you're a bit thirsty because you don't even know me. We've only been talking for two weeks and you're going to fly me out and everything is no holds barred type situation. Hey, that's a little thirsty. It's a little thirsty. Let's go to the phone lines. Hello, who's this?

Hello? Hi, this is Shay from Columbia, South Carolina. Hey, Shay. What's happening? Talk to us, Shay. What's going on? Talk to us. What's your thought, Shay? My thought is that she could have just not felt the vibe. A lot of times the way we date now, everybody talk and text so much and you're able to manipulate

your personality that when you get in front of each other, nobody has nothing to say. And he could have been arguing and she could have been like I was but nah it's no different than when we dated in the 90s once you start interacting with each other it's like yeah this is not

what I thought it was gonna be it was lame you ever got flown out I have and I've had that happen before too where they flew you

Myrtle Beach from Columbia where they flew you no no where they flew you where they flew you huh where you got flown to vegas okay okay okay and you and what happened he didn't look the way he was supposed to look it's not about look it's the personality it's like

you talk so much during that time frame that when you get in front of each other you don't have nothing to really ask there's nothing to engage each other in so shea how does that work he flies you you from South Carolina to Vegas. So y'all staying in the same room and you dumb fall. So it's not like you could turn around right then and there. So what do you do? I fall in this room. Oh, so y'all slept in the same bed, but that was it.

That was it. He ain't try to rub up or hump on you or nothing. Oh, of course they tried. But I mean, it's not my fault. You killed the move. That's right. Okay. No means no. That's right. Okay. And no means no.

That's right. Exactly. Thank you, Shay. Thank you. We got Cece on the line. Cece, good morning. Good morning. How y'all doing?

What's up, Cece? What's your thoughts, mama? I feel like there's multiple things, but they said they were talking for two weeks. So maybe she got there and his vibe was off or his vibe was different. Maybe, you know, people are different in person. Also, some women just like to be promiscuous, and he must have knew that before she came. Or maybe the deal was little, so she started acting different. All women don't want to feel like something is just transactional.

You paid for a flight. You paid for some food. You paid for me for a room. Now I'm just supposed to give you something? Yeah. Like, maybe she don't want to feel like that. She don't want to feel like a prostitute. She don't want to feel like a prostitute.

That's right. We got a brother on the line. Eddie. Yeah, what's going on? Eddie's looking at this different, Eddie. What's your thoughts? Yeah, man.

So I know for a fact, man, chicks just be using dudes, man. They lie to you, whatever, you know, just to get flown out for the food or whatever. I mean, where I'm from, girls do that all the time.

My cousins, sisters, whatever, they'll go chill with a dude, go out, because they know they're going to get them drunk and eat, and then, you know, they're gone on their way. So does that not make the guy a sucker then? No, because at the end of the day, if you really play, you'll still get her. I mean, that's what you're there for. You're there to meet and greet her.

If you get her and you really play, I mean, you should be able to turn her. I just don't understand what's going on. You get her to come mess with you. Why can't y'all just meet and greet on the first trip? You know what I'm saying? And then have her wanting to come back, you know? And then maybe on the second or third time, y'all might get it in. Like, why you got to force it on the first trip?

I like that. Yes. Yeah, right. And sometimes it be like that. As long as you have a good time you go out to eat y'all laugh have some giggles i mean what's wrong with that next time y'all can make do the do if not wait till the next time i mean hey all right sometimes you gotta wait for that cake you feel me yeah and the real thing to do and don't ask me because i'm a retired player so i

don't know anything about this but you fly her out y' Y'all have a good time. Y'all kick it. Love, you know, love. Eat all that good stuff. Maybe the next time y'all had such a good time, you'd be like, yo, I want to come see you now. So you fly out to her.

Okay. You know what I mean? Is he expecting her to pay for that flight? No, no, no. I'm going to fly on my own dime. You know what I mean? Just because I had such a good time

with you the first time. I guarantee you, if you play her like that, you fly out to see her, you're probably going to get what you was looking for the first time. Kizna. Yes. Hey, good morning, Kizna. Good morning.

Good morning. Now we're asking 800-585-1051. Ladies, what makes you not want to give a guy something? Or not want to vibe off of the guy? Talk to us. Honestly, if they was talking from the floor and they already lined it up, that mother****** talk itself out the drawers.

Hey. Okay? Sometimes men talk themselves out the drawers. They talk too much, talk too fast. Okay. And so maybe his vibe was whack. I feel like you calling from the Bronx. Definitely the Bronx.

No, I'm from the Bronx, aren't you? Okay. I can hear it in your throat. She said Brooklyn. Oh, Brooklyn or the Bronx. No, I'm a Brooklyn girl. Okay. But to be honest, men really fuck they stuff out

the drawers. Sometimes you'll be like, yeah, when I get over there, it's going to be on. Get there, he's like, this clown. Like my mother said, every man you sleep with is your potential baby father. She probably didn't want to waste her coochie on him. Damn, caught it? No, that's real.

But what she's saying is real, and I wish more people would get that serious. I wish guys people would take it that seriously. They can kiss and think like that, yeah. I wish guys thought like that and women thought like that. Every man you sleep with is your potential baby father. Girl, that would have been 18 years of bad luck. You say, it's not that serious. That's right. Five minutes for 18 years of suffering ain't worth it.

That's right. Minister Farrakhan said the way that people treat the science of breeding is like you rolling dice in the back of a moving pickup truck. Bobby's mad. This is the last quote. Bobby, you mad, huh, Bobby? No, I just think people's expectations be kind of crazy. Only knowing somebody after two weeks and flying out and expecting them to pay for everything,

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Food If he took her shopping Or whatever I mean my thing is though If you're allowing a man To pay for your plane ticket For your The residency

For your food For clothes And all of that For What is he getting in return Like How do you not expect him To expect something in return?

He's getting my conversation. He's getting my company. Bobby's giving the cheeks. Okay, but if the conversation was had prior that he's not flying you out just for some company, then there's a problem. I respect it. I respect it.

I just don't think a man should have that expectation. And why do all that? Why don't you just get you a prostitute from the city? Why are you flying in stuff? Maybe she fly. Maybe he can't find somebody that fly in his city, so he got to fly her out. Bobby, where you from, Bobby? I'm from Cali.

Okay. All right. Well, Bobby, we're going to hook you up with Dingo, all right? We're going to fly you out and see how that works. All right. Goodbye, Bobby. Damn. Jesus Christ.

I think Dingo was just actually mad because of how much money he spent he didn't set a limit for himself i think at the end of the day that's why he's upset he said he spent like a g yeah he said over a g what's the moral of the story i just don't think you should expect nothing from nobody you know what i mean i think even if you fly that person out you should just fly that person out with the expectation that y'all gonna have a good time right whatever that good time entails godall going to have a good time. Right. Whatever that good time entails, God bless. But just have a good time. Don't have no expectation of what you think that good time is going to be.

Because that good time might not be what you want it to be. And that's ending with some cheeks. Right. Because she may have had a good time. That's right. He just didn't. Damn it. All right.

This is The Breakfast Club on BET. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club Morning everybody, it's DJ MV, Charlamagne Tha God, we are The Breakfast Club Now we got some special guests in the buildings Yes indeed, some legends, some icons Of course we got The Roots, Black Thought and Questlove, welcome

Morning everybody, it's Black Thought from The Roots, there you go They've been up here before and we got another icon that's never been up here before The legendary icon ll cool j welcome first timer it's first time first time ll stand for living legend at this point i appreciate that absolutely love absolutely so let's first start with you know why you guys are here together because people like well why is ll and the roots together so you guys are going

on the road on the tour yeah So how did this tour come about? Whose versions? Well, I mean, really, in short, you know, the planets and the stars sort of aligned themselves and made it possible for us to work together on this huge segment that we did for the Grammys this year. And I think, you know, from that, the idea of us always having wanted to, you know,

work together in some way, just, you know, it opened the collaborative path. And it was like, yo, why don't we try to take this show on the road? It was huge. What we did just in that one 15-minute segment was so huge for the culture. And, you know, this being hip-hop's 50th anniversary and, you know, that whole deal um it made sense to try and you know do something celebratory in that way um you know from region to region now lady ladies love cool james yo what got you into hip-hop and said you know what i want to be mc where did the love come from as a kid from queens and and say this is what i want to do well you know when those first wave of tapes came around like you know cold know, Cold Crush Brothers and Fantastic Romantic 5 and Foursome C's and Treacherous 3, you know, Grandmaster, Furious 5 and all of those groups when they were just tapes running around, you know, Harlem World tapes.

And then the songs came later. That was the first time that I heard young black kids sound empowered it was the first time that i heard or could envision us doing something great because before that all the images i had seen were us like handcuffed you're putting a police car or some sort of charge or you know so that empowering feeling you know the braggadocio thing that you know that we really focused on um came came not from a place of looking down on high on people but more about i can be somebody. You know what I'm saying? The world looks at me like I'm invisible. My friends up the block get killed and nobody says anything.

So when I'm bragging and I'm boasting, what I'm really doing is saying, hey, look at me, I exist. You know what I'm saying? So for me, that was a real special thing and a spectacular thing. I mean, I'm eight, I'm nine years old, I'm 10 years old, and I'm being introduced to this thing, and i just completely fell in love with it and then you know eight nine i'm a fan of the rap my grandfather brought me some equipment at 11 i'm djing i'm messing around with that but i'm still rhyming and i'm going back and forth and then you know

eventually one thing led to another and here we are def jam and the whole whole nine do you consider yourself a founding father of hip-hop because Because, you know, people always will say, you know, Kool Herc or Grandmaster Flash, people like that. But as far as hip-hop as we know now, I would say you and Run DMC. Yeah, so I'm definitely Generation 1.5. You know what I'm saying? You got to give Flash and Herc and Force and all them, Grand Wizard Theodore, their due.

The thing that myself and Run DMC did, what we did is we took it to the world. We took it global. You know what I'm saying? We took it from the city and took it around the world. You know what I'm saying? And that was the difference.

So they brought it, they took it from the Bronx and Harlem out to the five boroughs and, you know, around the world somewhat. They didn't penetrate the market quite as deeply. Then we took it and made it global. I think from a Philadelphia standpoint, too, you know, just from the outside looking in, that 1.5 generation with you

and artists like Run and D, that was our first time sort of seeing our own reflection on stage. It was like, you know, again, I was a huge fan of all the other founding fathers, but they didn't look like people from around my way, you know what I'm saying? And when I saw Run, Jam Master Jay, L, they looked like the corner boys like that was outside. And I saw myself in that. So, you know, that's where a lot of the inspiration for me to do what I do came from. Not to mention, you know, L is very modest, but L literally invented

what I call postmodern hip-hop. Like, the three-minute rap song. 16 bars. Like, before LL. Even Run DMC's first album. It's like that. It's like eight minutes. Like, seven verses.

You know what I mean? Like, LL literally invented the 16. You know, maybe the 24. The chorus. You know what I mean? Like, LL literally invented the 16. You know, maybe the 24. The chorus, you know what I mean? Like, oh, the song has choruses on it. I love rap. Yeah. Like, literally emotions on rap.

Like, he's pioneered for, like, so many things that he never gets credit for. He was, like, the first teen idol. Like, there's so many firsts with him that you just take it it for granted so i was going to ask when you when you you talked about def jam so let's talk about that when they when they came to you with a contract to sign do you remember what your first contract looked like and how much they gave you yeah well yeah i mean talk about that you know you got to remember that def jam was a production company there was no label okay it's Yours by Tila Rock was on Party Time Streetwise label it was Def Jam Productions which was Rick was the

producer along with Jazzy J and it was more than a contract they were actually forming a label Rick was having a problem you know him and he was having problems getting his money from from the other label he was dealing with so they wanted to start this new thing. So, you know, that first contract at the time, we split the publishing. They gave me like $50,000. But before that, actually, my first single I ever made, I didn't have a contract. When I made I Need a Beat,

which was the very first song I ever made, I had no contract. It was just like, yo, let's just get it, and we'll figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you got to be willing to crawl over the barbed wire fence with no shirt on, you know what I'm saying, to get what you want to crawl over the barbed wire fence with no shirt on No saying to get what you want That was what it was and you know how old were you at this point?

16. Wow. I was 16 when we started Def Jam. I was 16. Did you ever feel like you should have had, like, equity in Def Jam? I did have equity in Def Jam. Oh, okay, okay. I did have equity in Def Jam.

I just sold it a little early. But I definitely had ownership in Def Jam, ownership in FUBU. I have ownership in NCIS Los Angeles, ownership in Lip Sync Battle. I have, you know, I own my catalog. So the things that I do, you know, I did well, but I didn't do it for the money. And where did you get the business mind from? Was it your mom's? Was it, you know, uncle? Like, where did you get that?

Because I don't think a lot of people were thinking ownership back then. They were just thinking, I need to blow up. You know what? You know what I've learned, man? You know, like, and people may have heard me say this before. You know, if a homeless man tell you not to do pushups know, like, and people may have heard me say this before. You know, if a homeless man tell you not to do push-ups in traffic, you should listen

because you might get ran over. A lot of times people are like, yo, a lot of people are like, yo, you homeless, what do you know? Like, all right, today in the news. So the business thing,

I learned from people before me and after me. Now with the moniker Ladies Love Cool J, right? Did you always feel like these dudes are going to think I'm sweet, so I'm going to have to have these rhymes in the corner just in case? The Ladies Love Cool J thing was just wishful thinking. You know, I'm 15, I want girls. I'm Ladies Love Cool J.

It wasn't really that deep. It could have ended up not being true. It didn't have to be that. People took that a little. It just kind of worked out. Ladies go in love. I hope ladies love me. I-L-L-Cool J.

I hope, you know what I mean? You never rebelled against the sex symbol image? Nah, nah, nah. I mean, look, I need love because I like girls. I mean, like, rock the I Need Love because I like girls. I made Rock the Bells because I like to do the hard shit. For me growing up, I like girls, right? So putting I Need Love out, me doing love songs is the equivalent of me walking in the projects with a neck full of jewelry. It's the same thing.

The strength is in doing what you want to do artistically. That's where the strength is. I do what I want to do artistically. I don't do what they say i should do because then i'm not being me i'm front i'm being somebody else right so i think that you know and i just say just a lot of young men in general never limit yourself to the perception of what other people think you should be right don't limit yourself to that be yourself all right we got more with llL Cool J and The Roots.

When we come back, don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with LL Cool J and The Roots. Does that ever bother you with both of y'all that, you know, y'all are so legendary in

hip hop, but people might not look at you as a rapper. They might just look at you as an actor. Or people might not look at y'all as The Roots as as in a group but just the guys in the band for the night the younger generation especially no i think i think there's value in that we've been able to reinvent ourselves in a way that our brand has had you know different iterations different complete just lives so the fact that yeah we've been on know, TV every day for the past 15 years, it's a whole demo. They only know us from that.

So that leaves a whole new space for them to explore when they discover our body of work. And then there's people who've been diehard fans of, you know, LL and the Roots Forever, who may have lost track of our musical contributions along the way. So I just appreciate the chance to sort of keep reintroducing myself.

Me and L were just talking about how, you know, you just pop out every now and then as an artist to shut down with those little you know not not so gentle reminders you know saying and you good and that's sort of how we navigate the space and and you know the way i look at it as it's just an opportunity you know i'm saying it's a beautiful opportunity to put you up on something new and if you don't know come find out come to the show you know i'm saying that's's a beautiful opportunity to put you up on something new. And if you don't know, come find out. Come to the show. You know what I'm saying? That's why we on tour.

You can come see some music. It's multi-generational. You know, just like the festival. Multi-generational. So come out to the tour. Come to the Force Tour. See what we doing. You know what I'm saying?

Get put on to something new. It's that simple. You know what I'm saying? If you don't know, come find out. Is it true that Jimmy Fallon is paying the staff out of pocket while y'all on screen? That's a no. Let me check my check. Let me check my bank account right now that was a no i got like 19 other jobs it's not like yo where my felon money at you know um

no no one no one is getting paid uh after that that's kind of a myth i was gonna ask was there any at any point of any of y'all lives did y'all lose love for hip-hop maybe it was the sound change maybe it was wasn't received the right hop? Maybe it was the sound change. Maybe it was wasn't received the right way. Or maybe it was I'm getting money over here. Was there any time at that at all? For me, no, because I'm getting money over here has nothing to do with loving hip hop. I don't make rap music and do hip hop culture and rock the bells and all this to make money, to survive.

Well, I will say that, you know, there's times if you're creative and your passion turns into your livelihood, that sometimes you might have to leave it for a second. I mean, there's definitely been moments where, like, you know, like he and I put, since 93, probably somewhere between 150 to 200 shows a year. You know what I mean? From 93 up until, like, when we started filming in 2009. Our lives was on a tour bus. The grass is always

greener on the other side. Doing the Tonight Show allowed us especially to see what other magical powers we had. I didn't know. I could write books. Both of us are professors at NYU. He wrote a play.

I did a movie and all those other things. Smart team, man. Not more than smart, just curious. I think all of us are creatives, and that's the thing. We're creatives that are discovering that sometimes our talent is transferable to other mediums and avenues. Like Tariq, he's a better cook. That's how I'll put him against any three Michelin star chef or black grandmother or whatever.

You're about to have my inbox blown up. I just don't believe that. No, for real. Like he's the king. This is Gordon Ramsay. I heard you wanted the smoke. No, he's getting up at 4 a.m. I do one thing.

I catered for the rooster overnight. I brought a bunch of grub to the show. Chefing it up? To rock the bell. I mean, you go ahead and tell them what I brought, you know what I'm saying? Yes, everything. From crab legs to lobster to collard greens to his cookie. But that's what I'm saying.

I'm able to check all the boxes. You left the chitlins home? Yeah, I left the chitlins home. Oh, yeah, yeah. I definitely left the chitlins home. I left the chitlins on the grill. There has to be a moment in y'all careers where y'all question things, though. You know, yeah, definitely. There have been many moments where I've questioned, you know, myself and where we've questioned ourselves, you know what I mean, as a collective. And, you know, in those moments of pause, that's when you're able to answer the call and i think you know you just get those

bursts of of clarity and it's been a blessing that we've been able to reinvent ourselves you know because yeah you know just like i was saying i would be making music i would be writing songs and you know creating art um whether i was able to you know support myself and my family off of it or not so it's a blessing like and i mean the plus is that i'm also able to, you know, support myself and my family off of it or not. So it's a blessing. Like, you know what I mean? The plus is that I'm also able to make a career out of it. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, there's been times that I've questioned, you know,

like what the next chapter will look like or what the next, you know, sort of act, like act three of my career. You know, am I going to be able to swing another, you know, reinvention? It's those moments when you sort of listen to the universe and you go with your heart and um and things become more clear i mean yeah listen man there's always gonna be a time in life where you have doubts and you have concerns and you have insecurities and you feel like uncomfortable or discomfort about certain things but like like tarik said you know answering that call and following your intuition, following that small voice inside of you, and go for it.

You know, you can't be fearful in life. You can't be scary. And the person that you have to be able to trust the most is yourself. And you have to be able to trust yourself in moments when you are susceptible to fear and weakness. And you just have to find that strength and keep moving through. You have times have been challenged and you do shots, whether it was Moe D back in the day, cannabis, or people even say hove.

Have you ever ran into the people that you've ever had a lyrical sparring and is it all jokes and fun now or is it still like standoffish? No, I ain't no standoffish, man. That's a sport. Okay. There's no, I mean, some dudes, look, everybody's different, man. Some people, you know, it really bothers them. Like, you know, some people are really...

I gotta ask. Like, post Jack the Ripper. Right. Or post How You Like Me Now. Right. Were you and Moe D ever in the room together at any of those periods? Yeah. I walked out on stage at his concert before.

Like, I'm crazy. Wait, what? There was no social media? We see each other we laugh Kind of pioneer the rap You know but then with cannabis, you know what I mean? Have y'all spoken? I brought him out at Barclays when I performed, remember? That's right.

You know what I'm saying? Ice-T, you and Ice-T, we've seen pictures of y'all. I mean, yeah, we got things we're doing now together. What about you and Hov? What was you and Hov? I never understood that one either. That felt like just ego. I honestly couldn't tell you, bro.

I have no idea. All I know is it's all love. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we Gucci. Like, for for real like i you know you know listen man does a conversation make things straight or just over time it just you realize it wasn't really about nothing they said you at the time you didn't like him as president of deaf and that's where they say it came from dude next question Next question. Is it a question? Y'all good, though. Y'all good, though.

Is it old street stuff? Is it stuff like that from before? No, ain't no street stuff. Yo, I... Next question. I'll tell you like this. I'll tell you like this, man. You know, at the end of the day,

I got love for everybody. You know what I'm saying? I just want to do great things. You know, as a matter of fact, I think there's a part in the show where I actually get into this stuff a little bit with a freestyle so you know people should just come to the show and check it out and hear how i dress it all right we'll keep it locked we got more with ll in the roots it's the breakfast club good morning morning everybody it's dj nv charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club we're still kicking it

with ll cool j in the roots charlamagne how do y'all feel The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with LL Cool J and The Roots. Charlamagne? How do y'all feel about this? Because Billboard had y'all ranked number 10 group of all time. Really? Yeah. LL, they had you ranked number 14 of the top rappers ever. And you coined the term GOAT. But for some reason, your name doesn't always get put in those GOAT conversations.

How did that? Because he's too good. People can overlook that. Well, you know, I guess I just got to do something about it. You know, I guess that just means I got some work to do. You know what I mean?

I guess that's what it means. I mean, I could sit here and come up with a thousand different excuses, but at the end of the day, I guess my job is to change that narrative. So, to be continued. For me, man, like, I'm not, you know, I'm fine.

Like, whenever, when I do fall, like, on those lists, it's always, you know, just an honor to be held in the company that I'm held in. You know what I'm saying? There's never any other artists on those lists that I don't feel, you know, deserve it. But, you know, where you rank, I think that, you know, is relative. And I think that, you know, it varies from person to person, different folks' opinions yeah i know i'm i'm a force to be reckoned with i know everybody know that so i'm fine with it you know yeah and i you know the other thing i would add is that um i think this is an overused term but but in my case i'm different yeah yeah you know i'm saying

like i really am that's the fact so it's like if they don't understand like how much i changed the world if you wasn't there. You just don't understand that. You have to remember that. Just with Def Jam alone, name the artist that was signed to Def Jam. Over time.

Azalea. Name five. Jay-Z. Jay-Z. General Concept. Cool J. Beastie Boys. Jay-Z.

Public Enemy. The Roots. Okay, okay. All right, so let's stop right there, right? So I'm the first artist on Deftamble. It's a production company. Tila Rock. I'm the first artist.

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Like, so, that's putting the work in to really be a pillar. I gotta ask, Mount Rushmore of hip-hop to y'all, who would be the four faces on there?

Objectively, not even personally. You can't be too personal. And we're telling the story. I'm not those people that put his cell phone on this. No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, your personal favorites. Like, in the future, and we're telling the story I'm not those people that put his cell phone on this I'm just saying

your personal favorites in the future when we're not here and somebody's looking like who are those people they call me Big L alright so

my as as a music lover DJ and a producer my Mount Rushmore of albums would probably be Nation of millions three phi and rising

enter the 36 and probably lastly i might say midnight marauders like those four records sort of informed me to go deeper into the culture and actually to get my own career so i look man i just keep it keep it simple to me when you talk about like a real rush more and you talk about the shaping of the culture you have to look at it's first principles you know it's like anything else you break it down the first principles right you know you got to put dj cool herc he ain't on rush more i just he just started it no big deal deal. No big deal. Just something I did.

Okay? And then you have to put Run DMC up there because they kicked down the doors and the walls and put me on their back to a certain extent as well. And I was the solo guy who went out there. Got shot out of that cannon. And then you have to put Flash in now. Flash because he made us dream of the culture the dj the art of the dj the the idea that a dj could affect culture and move culture flash made us do that and then you got to say mel because he was the first original prolific writer like those are the core you know i'm saying you have a couple of others but like that core right there is the real core

anything after that fan base this you know it's based on oh he made money or oh he had a couple of others but like that core right there is the real core anything after that fan base this you know it's based on oh he made money or oh he had a lot of platinum albums or oh he got people to change their shirts oh yo did he got you know all of that is cool but dj cool herc run dmc grandmaster flash and mel you remove that in like yeah what you got? Yeah. For me, I think it boils down to just who had the most impact, you know, upon my craft. So I give props to, you know, the L's and, you know, the BC boys and the Chuck D's and even running them, even though they weren't Def Jam artists. But that whole first wave of Def Jam artists were the first people that I heard had that rush roster. They had that powerful

cadence that was just different from what Mel and Curtis Blow and everybody was doing you know I'm saying Run DMC you know I'm saying they came out like there was the yelling so it was you know that was like wow like they had arrived they you know changed the way um I wrote you know I'm saying after i was exposed to that yeah did cube ever write for you or collaborate on on this record you can still tap as joy right for me you can still tap as joy no no no no no no no we never did any music together i saw this on the internet somebody said around that time cube was helping you you know what people have this you know your people they got a lot of stories bro they come up with a lot of stories you know i mean hey hey michael jordan um did uh somebody ever bounce the ball for you and shoot your jump shot

for you like no i shot the jump shot listen i'm not above collaborating on a chorus or working on something like i'm not i'm not picky like that if i was writing a rhyme and somebody said yo said a word i'd be like all right i like that word i'm cool with that but you know i write my songs you know i have to because it has to come from me and if you collaborate too much on at least from ll cool j fans if i collaborated too much with somebody on writing it would affect what they're listening to it wouldn't sound like me you know what i mean because they are very unique things to llL Cool J. So I'll give you an example.

So I tried to do a more collaborative writing album. I did a whole album with 50 Cent. Oh, yeah, 50 Cent. And we were writing together on this album. And when it was done, I listened to it. I'm like, it sounds good. I like the music, the rhymes. It sounds cool, but it ain't me.

So I didn't put it out. It wasn't nothing against 50 i love 50 i just wanted to try something different maybe we collaborate right together it didn't work i think you said paradise was the song no no no no paradise is totally different 50 wrote the chorus on paradise for a marie what she sung got you got you he didn't write my rhymes you know i mean like people get that a little you know i'm saying'm saying? That being said, when that happened, I didn't even know 50 was involved. That was the track masters. They got that done, right?

So, and they played with the chorus. I liked it, et cetera. You know, we tried to work together and that's my man. You know what I'm saying? We real cool. But the collaborative thing, when it comes to my verses, that doesn't work for me. And, you know, I'm kind of like, it's funny when you do this a long time, the longer you do this, the more people, does he still got it?

Can he still do it? Is he going to be able to do it? It kind of reminds me of the Crawford fight the other night. There were a lot of people who, like, were really, like, nervous for Crawford. I picked Chris. Yeah, there was a lot of people that were nervous for Crawford when he was walking in the ring. And he showed what it is.

And I think with me, for whatever reason, people are never quite sure how it's going to be. Do you like being underestimated? I love it. I actually love it. I'm good with that. I'm good with that because that only makes the jab that much stiffer.

Thank you. We appreciate it. Make sure you get tickets for the tour. How can they get tickets if they need to? I mean, just go to Ticketmaster.com and check it out, the Force Tour. Hello, Cool J and the Roots. And, oh, one other thing I want to tell you. This show is not like the music stops, then another artist comes on, then the music starts, and another artist stops. Yeah, I'm going to show up an hour or two before I have an hour.

Don't show up. This is one long, what is it, two, three hours? Yes, it's one long mixtape. It's a mixtape. Think of the Grammys and, two, three hours? Yes, it's one long mixtape. It's a mixtape. Think of the Grammys and that's how we're format. One long mixtape. I thought they did. All right, so get there on time.

Don't be trying to make a grand entrance with your feet hurting and all that. Just get in on time, and let's have some fun. I'm going to hedge from the first song that comes out. They call me Big L.A. LL Cool J, the Ruth'all. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

It's time for Donkey of the Day. Donkeys of the Day. I'm a Democrat, so being Donkey of the Day is a little bit of a mixed up. So like a donkey. Keyhole. Donkey of the Day. The Breakfast Club, bitches. Now, I've been called a lot in my 23 years that Donkey of the Day is a new one.

Yes, Donkey of the Day goes to 37-year-old John Garza and 43-year-old Arlie Nemo of Virginia. Salute to everybody in Virginia. Now, these two convicts have been in custody in Newport News for months, facing a bunch of charges, including but not limited to contempt of court, probation violations, failure to appear, credit card fraud, forgery, possession of burglary tools, grand larceny. I mean, they just both career criminals.

Or should I say they made being criminal their career, okay? Because life is about choices, and they chose a life of crime. It is what it is. And I must admit, they seem to be pretty good at it. OK, never mind the fact that they're in jail. OK, everyone gets caught at some point in time. That's just the way it is. But what kind of run do you have when you're out? All right. Gaza and Nemo in regards to crime, especially like petty crime. It seems like they up there with Jordan and Pippen, baby. I mean, I'm talking about LeBron James and D. Wade.

Like they are the Splash Brothers of criminology. And their latest crime, their latest crime takes the cake. Or should I say pancake? What are you talking about, Uncle Charlotte? I know they've never been specific about what kind of cake people be taking, but I'm pretty sure it's a cake from a bakery, not a pancake. Never mind all that. Okay, you want to know what I'm talking about?

Let's go to WTKR CBS News 3 for the report, please. In what may seem like a movie plot, the Newport News Sheriff's Office says two inmates tunneled this hole in a cell wall to escape from the Newport News jail annex Monday evening. The Sheriff's Office says Arlie Nemo and John Garza were able to exploit a construction design weakness in the building and used a toothbrush and metal object to make the hole. Once outside, they scaled a security wall and got out. The jail annex is a minimum security facility and the two were discovered to be missing during a routine headcount. But it was a tip from the public that led police to the IHOP on Mercury Boulevard in Hampton, where the two were apparently eating at about 3 a.m. this morning.

Hampton police say the two were taken into custody without incident. Garza had been in custody since December on several charges, including probation violations. Nemo had been in custody since last October on charges including credit card fraud. Ladies and gentlemen, these men are career criminals. This is a crime, okay? But I don't know if that news report said it or not, because I wasn't paying all the way that much attention. But these guys escaped jail with a toothbrush. A toothbrush.

And guess where they went after they got out of prison, Envy? I heard. IHOP. Oh, they said it? Yeah, they did. Oh, I blinked out. Something's wrong with my brain lately. But, Jess, I want to say that even though these men are career criminals and this is

a crime, you have to admit, escaping jail with a toothbrush just to go get some IHOP? Legendary. Drop on a clothesline for those legends. I mean, come on, man. You went from the International House of Prison to the International House of Pancakes, okay? You got to let a legend be a legend, baby. I can both acknowledge that this is donkey of the day worthy and legendary at the same time. These men exploited a construction design weakness with primitive made tools made

from a toothbrush and a metal object, put a hole in the wall, scaled, went through the wall, then scaled over another security wall just to get some of those world famous buttermilk pancakes. Man, drop one of Clues Bomb for them. I hope they had a full stack. Okay, $11.29 before tax, 690 calories. All right, I'm going to be honest with you. They deserve it all. Big steak omelet for those two. All right, $16.39 before tax, 1,040 calories. Give it to them. All right, center stack pancakes, $12.59 before tax, 870 calories. Give it to them.

Now, do I think it's extremely stupid that they escaped jail just to go to IHOP? Yes. But if you're already facing a bunch of charges and you're going to prison for the next decade or the next couple of decades and you really don't have no place to go if you actually escape, you just want to get out and get some fresh air, you know what I mean?

YOLO! Okay, YOLO. You only live once, alright? In this case, IHOP! International House of Pancakes. Please give John Garza and Arlie Nemo of Newport News, Virginia, the sweet sounds of the Hamilton's.

Oh now you are the donkey of the day. You are the donkey of the day. Yeehaw! Yeehaw! Yeehaw! doggy of the day. Yee-haw. Yee-haw. I respect it.

Let's play a game. You want to play a game? I do. Oh, okay. Well, let's play a game of Guess What Race It Is. Alright, we got 37-year-old John Garza and 43-year-old Arlie Nemo of Newport News, Virginia.

They both escaped prison just to go get some IHOP. DJ Envy. Guess what race it is. I'm going to say white. What makes you think they white? Honestly? Mm-hmm. I would hope you're being honest.

I think black people would have went to waffle house you crazy you're crazy and you're disrespectful in the south don't act but the ihop don't act like ihop ain't ain't ihop bro but you got a choice you go to waffle house you ain't gonna go no actually actually what if i had a choice i'm going to ihop me too but in the south we go to waffle house when you're in the South, you do Waffle House. I'm South Carolina born and raised. I'm going to IHOP. Okay. I can think of plenty of nights in Columbia, South Carolina, when I went to IHOP over everything

else. And I know the IHOP on Mercury Boulevard. They usually open 24-7. You know, I went to school in Hampton, Virginia. So I know that IHOP. But when I'm in the South, I got IHOP in New York. I'd rather go to Waffle House and get my chicken and waffles. I know black people.

They going to, are they white or black? They're Caucasian. See, I knew it. Okay. I wasn't. But I just, I don't think IHOP and Waffle House is a black or white thing. Because I'm telling you, plenty of nights in Columbia, South Carolina, I took my ass to IHOP on Assembly Street. Sleuth to everybody that's working in IHOP in Columbia, South Carolina on Assembly Street.

1031 Assembly Street, baby. My goodness. I actually got put in handcuffs in there one night. Where? In IHOP on Assembly Street. No. That was back in the day, though. I do want to know what's wrong with the Virginia jails, the fact that you can get your way out with a toothbrush?

That doesn't seem to work. I do want to know what's wrong with the Virginia jails. The fact that you can get your way out with a toothbrush. They said it was a construction design weakness. And they say they don't want to speak too much on it because of security concerns. Bro, they don't want to speak on it. You got out with a toothbrush. I mean, I guess they don't want to give too much away because then it'll give other prisoners ideas. But, you know, if you can escape with a primitive made tool, you know, made from a toothbrush and a metal object, man. Jesus.

Man. I'm going to be honest with you. When you do stuff like that, you kind of deserve to be free. Like, it should be almost like a game. If you can get out, you deserve to be out. Jesus Christ. All right. All right.

Well, thank you for that donkey today. Yes, indeed. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, a legend when it comes to this hip-hop thing. Come on, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Fab Five Freddy.

Welcome, brother. Hey, man. Pleasure to be here, man. What's happening? What's happening? It's a pleasure to have you, brother. Oh, man. Thanks so much. And you know, we just celebratedasure to be here, man. What's happening? What's happening? Pleasure to have you, brother. Oh, man. Thanks so much.

And you know, we just celebrated 50 years of hip-hop. Incredible. Did you ever think that hip-hop would take it this far? To quote the late Dave? I know. I love that quote. Not at all. Not at all.

I mean, I was clearly thinking of, like, you know, in terms of moves I made, having some control over the narrative, you know that being aware that people that look like us in previous generations of our culture didn't have that ability to host the shows the you know you know the footprint that you guys have and the things that others like us in media and do these things so that was like a super significant thing that i thought about from beginning. But to see it come to this point globally, the most listened to form of music around the world still is just astonishing. Let's go back for people that don't know who Fab Five Freddie is. So let's start from the beginning, how you got into this thing called hip hop and what

you created, because you started off as a graffiti artist. Right. And I'm sure you were tagging trains back in the day because that was the thing to do the trains that was the thing to do the trains the walls the buses right anywhere it was an audacious thing to do when when i think back so many new york teenagers back then in the 70s just felt like it was okay to put your name anywhere you felt it needed to be and then the competition of that developed into a real, you know, refined and defined form of expression.

Ways of using them spray cans that nobody ever envisioned anywhere. Like, you know, spray cans is just, you know, to paint an old piece of whatever around the house. Now we've created, you know, a way to make murals that kind of tell stories about who we are and where we are and what we want to be and do and all those things. It was like a fantasy. And then that began a journey that I kind of helped lead, taking graffiti art into galleries, turning it into something called street art, which is also like a global thing. Probably heard of my homie, rest in peace, Jean-Michel Basquiat. Absolutely.

Young brother out of Brooklyn and we met on that downtown scene had similar aspirations figure out a way to be artists like Malcolm X said by any means necessary. Was Basquiat in the graffiti too? Yeah he used to Jean was tagging but he was putting up these like poetic phrases quotes that were not in any way like typical graffiti but it was a part of graffiti and nobody knew he was a young brother doing it initially He started out doing something called same. Oh, which was sort of short for same. Oh You know and then that developed and then we met and he was on the scene He turned to be a brother like he was doing stuff around

Soho in the village area people didn't know he was a brother. And we met at a party right as I'm kind of stepping on that downtown art scene. And we both had similar aspirations to try to figure this out. So we began to, you know, we kind of linked up and we're in the same circuit. Blondie was somebody that we met pretty much at the same time. I'm in their ear about this new culture. And then they kind of took us under their wings, so to speak, and brought out work. Some of the first people to buy paintings for myself and Jean-Michel. And then took some inspiration from them stories I told them and made a record called Rapture.

Hold on, we got to stay here for a minute. Rapture was the first video on MTV. That was one of MTV's first videos, which I'm featured in along with Jean-Michel I tried to get flash was supposed to have come to be the DJ I had met cuz you know was working on the first hip-hop movie wild style right in that same time frame early 80s I said flash come down and be in this video you know to think that there was no MTV at that time so we did music video was not a thing but still I'm like they had this idea to create a music video All the people we hung out with were in the video flash

Never showed up So I said John stand at the turntables and I tried to tell him John just stood there with a grin on his face So in the rapture my boss. Yeah, yeah John Chabasca So as Debbie starts to rap and the first line is fab five Freddie told me everybody's fly She's saying it to John and then she line is Fab Five, Freddie told me everybody's fly. She's saying it to Jean and then she, you know, the song goes on. So that turned out to be one of MTV's first videos when the channel launched. And close to 10 years later, they would they were kind of pressured into trying to, you know, to to do a show about rap music. And I got the call. Yo MTV Raps. Yo MTV Raps.

What MTV was trying to do, it's interesting that you guys are now, you know, have this big position doing radio. Because of guys like you. Absolutely. Because of guys like you laying that foundation. Yep. Well, you know, the thing was,

radio was pretty segregated, and in the American charts, I mean, England was different, that's why I referenced America. Pop pretty much meant white, essentially. So no matter what kind of record you made, if you could make a record that was pop in all the descriptive ways, the people doing it were black.

They would most often end up on the R&B or the soul chart or the dance chart. And so MTV was set up to try to mirror that, a visual form of what American radio stations were. And so when Black Axe got big, they were like, why am I not getting any love on there? And so with the exception of a little Lionel Richie, a little Prince, there was very little black music to be seen. And then I think it was Michael Jackson's label, Columbia's, CBS, if I'm not mistaken, Epic, whichever one of those, really pressured them. And they said, listen, we're going to pull all our other acts,

which included Bruce Springsteen, off of MTV if you don't play Michael Jackson. I think that specifically was Billie Jean. And then they played it, the numbers went through the roof, and then came Thriller and everything like that. So that, really, they had to realize realize that this time to change up that attitude. And then there were two young white guys at MTV, Peter Doherty and then Ted Demme. Rest in peace. Peter, I've known on the downtown scene. He knew things I was moves I was making with Blondie and the hip hop's first film, Wild Style.

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some of those first early hip-hop records were going crazy, no marketing, no promo. And so they said they said okay we're gonna try try this out and they tried it and you wasn't you wasn't upset with leaving or you wanted to leave or was it well when it ended about six or seven years in which was incredible run it was kind of sad that it came to an end but i realized like you know those acts that debuted on your MTV raps were so pivotal. They were so defining of the culture. Like the first time people saw, you know, Tupac, N.W.A., you know, Luke and them, I

would go to these areas where they were. Yeah, you invented that. Everybody that's doing these shows now, where they go to where people are, that's absolutely Fab Five Freddy. Fab Five Freddy invented the on location conversation and i know you say you didn't see hip-hop going this far but as far as hip-hop becoming mainstream you played a big role in that like when i think of the movie wild style like what did that movie mean to you and hip-hop at that at that time yeah the idea that i had had for wild Style was to show a way to show the connection between all these elements that are part of hip-hop now.

That didn't exist before. So the idea was to make a film that showed the connection between this rapping, this DJing, the breakdancing, and the visual form of expression graffiti. And I hooked up with this cat, Charlie Ahern, who was an underground filmmaker on the downtown scene in New York. He had made a super low-budget movie about kung fu that had caught my eye. When I linked with him, I basically pitched this idea for the movie. And he said, essentially, let's get busy. So then we started researching, going to parties in the Bronx, going to the T Connection, the Ecstasy Garage, meeting Busy B, Cold Crush, Fantastic, Funky 4 Plus One More, including Shy Rock.

And that was how to jump back to the Blondie thing. When they got the opportunity to host Saturday Night Live, they also got to pick who the support act was. And they wanted to bring somebody hip hop on. So we talked about flash and the furious five of course they were big but then i said you know the funky four similar to blondie has a female like out front and i thought it was a nice counterbalance all right we got more with fab five freddie when we come back don't move it's the breakfast club good morning morning everybody it's dj envy charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club we're still kicking it with fab

five freddie charlamagne i keep hearing you we are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Fab Five, Freddie. Charlamagne? I keep hearing you talk about you wanted to make sure hip-hop was presented in the right way. Right. So I wonder, like, what are your thoughts on the genre of hip-hop now? Well, you know, hip-hop has continually amazed me with the different turns and the evolutions that have happened within it. That's been the most fascinating thing for me. Some of the things that I've hoped for have come to light like I remember in the very early days when it was all pretty much throw your hands in the air waving like you just don't care everybody say oh it was pretty much a party uplifting kind of vibe and that was cool but

then I said man if somebody can figure out a way to say something that was socially relevant I knew that would elevate us and that was the message broken glass everywhere you know don't push me because I'm close to the edge really articulated how a lot of people were living in New York and other hoods and everybody got the memo that we can now throw our hands in the air and have a party but we can talk about our realities in these streets and that was exciting so there's been things that have happened along the way that i've been really enthusiastic about obviously when the conscious movement came in me working with krs1 in the beginning and chuck d and everything

that opened up a whole another chamber that was incredible didn't see it coming but it was definitely needed and i think hip-hop is going to, it constantly figures out a way. It evolves. It's like a living organism. And different things affected come in. It may go off the track a little bit with certain things, and then it'll come back with something that totally blows us away. Like, I think the African, even though it's not specifically hip-hop,

it's very inspired by the things that we've done so to so to afro beats and i'm a piano which is a sound coming out of south africa a young kind of dance type sound which is unique is incredible as well as well as what the cats in england have figured out on the grime side you know stormzy and those cats that were constantly early in the early days of what they were doing. They were constantly trying to emulate rap groups from over here. I went to England and covered them during the URMTV Raps era. I remember London Posse was one of the hottest groups at the time that had a New York East

Coast kind of rap flow, but they never really blew up as big as they wanted to in England. But then they figured out how to do it in their own way with their own slang and their own way way of speaking and they made some dope records and blew ups yeah because i thought about that with y'all like what was the future for vjs back then like did y'all even know what the future looked like like what what did y'all aspire to be after the VJ thing? Well, good question. Thankfully for me, I was doing something prior. I was already making moves, you know, making art, you know, making films like Wild Style.

And the VJ thing just came to me really honestly, which was great. People would run up to me, I want to do this. How do you do it? I was like, man, I'd be awkward because I'm like, I can't tell you how to do it. There's no go to VJ school to do this it was just a moment clearly MTV is a different you know all that stuff like doesn't exist people can do the millions of people do that on YouTube you know if you will so there wasn't really a clear path if you will but. But if you, like you say, I think, interestingly, Ed Lover going to radio along with Dr. Dre initially

and being really good at it was a great transition. There were some people that had worked at radio behind the scenes and whatever that, then came to MTV. Stephen Hill had been

a radio person and then transitioned to become one of the producers at MTV. But yeah, that's a good one, man. There wasn't too many clear paths. have been a have been a radio person and then transitioned to become one of the producers at mtv but yeah that's a good one man there wasn't too many clear paths other than radio or some type of tv announcing maybe commercials and whatever but for me like i wanted to just get back to doing the things that i'm doing i'm like an obsessive creative and uh so that's it you know it's just creating and that's still what I primarily do.

Do you remember that day you shot with NWA when you went out there? Yeah that was a good one yeah and it became a lot of people's favorite show I remember vividly we have been playing videos by Eazy on the channel and Ted Demme and would he would talk to Eazy often. And Eazy was like, man, I want y'all to come out. We have a new group. And I remember them sending us a memo the day before. I said, listen, don't wear anything red or anything black. No black either?

No, I'm sorry. Red or blue. Red or blue. Wear black is what they said. And I was like, man, I've been i've been to la a bunch of times but i didn't understand the dynamics in the hood you know i'd be in west hollywood in and out on some art business or what have you and so we we was like okay so we want to show people this this scene so let's rent a flatbed truck and let's ride around because you know we hadn't seen like

what the hood was like or any semblance of L.A. And so we meet at the Welcome to Compton sign. And then we get on this flatbed truck and ride around and do segments from the truck. They take us to a swap meet and give us a little insight on how they live. And it was crazy. I knew it was going to be a great show. I get back to the hotel, and I put the Walkman on, got the cassette of the new album, the NWA album, Straight Outta Compton. I listened to it for the first time.

And I'm literally snatching the headphones off my head. Can't believe the things that they're saying. F the police and just the aggressiveness. And the music was amazing and incredible, but the things they were saying, I was like, man, MTV is not going to let this happen. They're going to pull this, man. We done shot this incredible show riding around.

Nothing's going to happen. Well, the videos they weren't able to play, the video for Straight Outta Compton, but they still had other videos and other content, and the interview played, and it took off. Man, it took off. So lovely. When you the the mount rushmore of hip-hop right who's your on your mount rushmore as far as artists are concerned well you know when when i get asked those kind of questions i'm basically like i've loved so many and i and i'm also aware that there's different eras where different people were the most important people at that time.

So as the eras have evolved, my Mount Rushmore, it would be various versions. But I'm a lyrics guy. Okay. Primarily. So based on lyricism. Oh, man. In the beginning, I'll screw up and I'm sure there's names I'll forget. But in the beginning, of course, I'll screw up and I won't. I'm sure there's names I forget. But in the beginning, of course, you know, only before for every era.

Look at you. You know, Melly Mel, Moe D, Kaz, Cowboy, you know, and then going on further from that, you know, Kane, Rakim, G-Rap. OK, people forget about G-rap a lot and i don't understand why because when you listen to g-rap you you clearly get it i mean his lyrical game was masterful just incredible way he played with words um who else was my other four from that in that early period i guess i would have to put i'll drop a cube in there cube okay you know and then moving forward you know you know biggie pock of course you know i'm stuck right now okay i can't think of all the names that i would love but pretty much those that you know nas of course who i luckily got to direct his one of

his first one mic right he did one mic one love one, one love. Yeah, that Q-Tip produced, you know. So, man, just, and then to see Nas still putting out incredible music on a consistent basis. It's like a jazz artist. It just, look, I got something to say. I'm not pressured. It's not about the paper, if you will. I just want to express this. I'm going to drop this on you.

And so, it's just. He did that from his pops, probably. One more time? He probably did that from his pops probably all the time and he probably get that from his pops yeah oh yeah olodara who used to live near me in harlem and we would talk because you know and that's that's a key thing that naz has similar to something that rakim has both of them obviously naz dabs a jazz musician rakim had jazz musician, a singer, I can't remember her name, but earlier connection to jazz and that sensibility, I think is a big part of his flow and his dynamic

as an artist. All right, well, don't move. We got more with Fab Five Freddy when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. back it's the breakfast club good morning the breakfast club morning everybody is the show I mean the guy we are the breakfast club is to kick in with fab five Freddie Charlemagne you did pox for a interview right the first first time on national TV a lot of those cats um the first time I interviewed Pac was on this set of the movie Juice and um and then we held that show until the

movie dropped a few months later and then we aired it you know and I'm also did a cameo in Juice as myself you know hosting your MTV raps while the DJ battle was going on and uh yeah talk about that set Juice classic movie to this day man amazing um really good stars from that movie too yeah a lot of good stars a lot of just really good dynamics um and i'm pretty sure tupac would definitely have excelled in acting and clearly would have been oscar nominated by now his uh dynamism on the screen was just something i think like like people like that have been able to do it in music and then do it on the screen, it's just a rare group of people that have been able to do that

and still resonate to us in such a powerful way. But yeah, Pac and I were pretty tight. The second time I interviewed Pac, once again, this was pre-Death Row. I like this one because it was the first time he i knew his uh background like he had a black panther link family wise and that was the first um time he'd spoken about that when i pulled that out of him and he explained how his mother was panther his father that so that that fire and that awareness of what they were fighting for um was was a part of his his consciousness so which was really interesting he was a dynamic cat like i mean he could be the most

militant f-o-y fruit of islam black panther and then spin on a dime and just be the illest thug and that was i think a part of the actor him. He could completely be those people or any other people, I'm sure, he would have gotten to play in films. He would have been super effective and compelling. So that was a great loss. So you saw that back then? Absolutely. Okay.

Because it was just, you're talking to him, and then he'd flip and be just super hood. And I think the persona that he remained in for most of his public life after was the persona of Bishop in Juice. Like, that was his character that, you know, he wanted to come on everybody. And as many people want to wish to have been a big dude on the New York scene or a strong cat that can flex like in harlem and all that and juice was his way to do that and because come on he he wasn't that dude prior but he stayed in that character largely and then unfortunately got caught up in this that and the third on the new york side if you know the drum and then then went west coast and you would think he was born in south central the way he

repped you know on out there in cali which so super effectively but he could uh he was convincing in any of those genres or any of those formats he would put himself in why do you think commercially because you was there from the inception why do you think commercially the west coast took off it seems like to me before the east coast like i'm talking about with the massive mainstream success that we see in hip-hop now interesting i just i don't know that's um but what'd you say that because you had run dmc you had ll cool j yeah i thought it was their turn yeah we we blew up big and and dug out and planted a firm foundation that's why this culture still rocks so hard to this day because the roots went deep without anything going viral too early

or people jumping out there too soon. Yeah, but Jeff Rose was a monster. Snoop Dogg sold, what, 800-plus thousand his first and second week. He was like the first hip-hop artist on certain magazine covers. He really was. It was something else. That was something else. And it started with N.W.A magazine covers like he really was it was something else that was something else and it started with nwa to me but yeah it was it was a big thing they had an incredible movement it was i think it just followed they they added on nicely to the foundation that was laid right here in new york and then once again i was honored to get to direct snoop's

first video for What's My Name and turned him into a dog. And then interestingly, you know, I'm in the cannabis business now with a brand called B Noble, which grew out of a film I made, which you can see on Netflix called Grass is Greener. And I got Snoop is in my film. And Snoop tells a story which I didn't know that he, Dre, i spent that whole summer living with dre in calabasas because the first day of shooting snoop's video him performing on vip records right after that we changed locations in long beach that turns into a near riot that's like not more than a year after the la riots so we got shut down. Dre says, Fab, I got to finish Snoop's album.

If you can chill and hang, we will get the video done. But my priority is getting this record done. So that led me to spend the rest of that summer out there hanging with Dre in the dog pound, getting to know them real well, seeing Dre's process in the studio, which was remarkable. And then we would get a moment to run out and get some scenes that would be other parts of the video and then towards the end of the summer there was a big scene that i never got

to shoot because snoop got caught up uh famously yeah murder was the case i said man i'm out of here this is just it's enough enough i'm going back to new york i want to document like fab you need you need a document absolutely like you yourself like you have to tell tell how did you get your name um i became a part of a graffiti crew called the fabulous five they were the one of the dominant groups of graffiti painters in new york which were known for doing murals on the side of the primarily on a lexington avenue number five. So what you would tag up was, you know, you tag your name and the group you was down with. And then sometimes I would be referred to as, oh, that's Fab Five Freddie, you know what I'm saying?

That's Fab Five Freddie. And when Blondie made Rapture, it just embedded it and solidified it when she dropped my name, when she basically was like, Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's fly. And I was like, man, wow, I never everybody's fly and i was like man wow i never thought of it as the whole thing but that's a good look you know i mean she represented and gave me a look and it it boom so that's how that really came together i just want you to to tell people how difficult it was to tag trains back in the day it was just just talk about that there's a great

documentary that was done the same time we make in Wild Style, early 80s. There was a documentary called Style Wars that illustrates, in fact, Kay Slade, who was a young graffiti writer named Des, is featured as a young graffiti writer. And you see him in Style Wars. to know where the trains what we called call the call the layup or in times when the rush hour is not running the the extra trains are placed in different areas in the city sometimes in tunnels sometimes at the yards so you had to know which train you wanted to get to get up on where that train was going to be whether in a tunnel or way up in the train yards at the end of the train line somewhere and then you had to be stealthy on some ninja type energy to get up in there because one of

the objectives is also you know not to get caught and so you had to have all those pieces together to get in get out and hopefully not get caught you ever got caught tagging the train never never if you get caught one of your sentences was to go wash walls. So you had to clean the graffiti off the tree. You put on the overalls. They give you a bucket

and a bunch of chemicals and you be at some platform and some station having to clean walls feeling like, man, I got caught out here. I feel like I'm like a herb now,

you know? So it wasn't easy. It was a very difficult thing. And it's just amazing how something that people thought was just vandalism back in the day became something so synonymous with New York City. It gave the city character. You see it in video games, cartoons, everything. That blows my mind.

You know, graffiti fonts. You can get a font and just use graffiti letters. So that's really satisfying to see that a lot of these ideas we had have really worked and I'm excited for the next 50. All right, well, we appreciate you for joining us. Bad 5 Freddy. Thanks for having me, man. It's an honor to be up here with you guys.

Honor to have you, brother. Absolutely. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories,

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Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa. It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and The Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.