The Breakfast Club - The Breakfast Club BEST OF - G. Herbo, Kehlani, Papoose and Claressa Shields interview

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

The Breakfast Club BEST OF  - G. Herbo, Kehlani, Papoose and Claressa Shields interview, Recorded 2025. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Happiness Lab on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Woke up. Wake that ass up. Program your alarm to Power 105.1 on IHeart Radio. This is your time to get it off your chest 8500 585-105-1 We want to hear from you on the breakfast club Hello who's this Oh man

Here y'all go with this Hey envy how y'all doing Hey everybody God bless y'all love y'all Good morning everybody Good morning Okay First of all ladies

You know y'all Y'all do a good job We love y'all out here in the deep Okay I want to make sure we say all that first Thank you baby It's not for y'all My cousins told me to feel There's Charlemagne, this was a three of us

Charlemagne, your black ball head A You didn't put our cousin on that God damn dump the other day yesterday Everything ain't funny, man We love our kids down here You ain't even had a fucking back right, man Get that shit right before you be going on there You do the everything everybody told me

Brandy don't say nothing Because you know he talked about everybody I don't give a fuck man Now you talking about people family We don't like that shit Everything ain't funny Especially when they come to these kids, man And a black man, I'm mad to tell you

Did it to a black man that really With his kids And a white environment that you don't even know about. Stop doing that, man. What happened? Stop doing that. Who did he give Donkey to yesterday? David Scott Jr., 43-0.

He allegedly told the teacher I'm going to air this bitch out and so he got arrested. And he didn't say that, Marty Pan. Well, I said during Donkey today, I don't know if he said that or not, but what I said was he clearly said something that led to his arrest

and then I gave other ways for him to possibly handle the situation like calmly request a meeting request a meeting with the teacher or the school administration. And they did, Charlemagne, I gotta stop you, bro. They did, that's what I'm studying.

All those things, you didn't even let the story play out to me, you know how the media is. Just like they did hear. When they went and interviewed the mother, they didn't play the whole clip or show the evidence that she had about how they went to the school, how they were talking to the principal.

All I'm calling to tell you is, man, listen. I didn't see that on the clip. I watched the whole clip. I didn't see it on the clip. Listen, I know you didn't, because his brother card and checked the lady about that. That's what I'm telling you.

If it was some shit like that, man, but nobody's even saying nothing. But let me tell you something. What we're not going to do, it's going to last, and fuck over the brothers that's really out here. That man, we hear kids every day.

Did you hear me say, I can understand the brother feeling the way he felt, but there's other ways. to handle the situation. But it's other ways to hands in, but I want you all to know that, listen. He got, he don't handle things like that. When they say that,

that's like a different type of environment. Y'all got places like that in New York. What you mean, different type of environment? Like, tell me, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Like, okay, so they stay in a place called East Point. Yeah. Right? Over there,

they don't really, you know what I'm saying? Like Detroit is. That's not Detroit over there. So it's a white area. And that's a white area, and the white area and the white area don't mess with the black people over there. Yeah, not really. Not really.

You know what I'm saying? If you move over there, listen, that's like anywhere you go. If you move on the block and it's just a fad, you know what I'm saying? You're going to speak neighbors and you're going to give it along with people. But that area is hell no. No. So for him to be surviving and survived over there all the time, he's been over there and they've never had a problem for where he comes from. See my cousin alone, man.

He's a good guy, bro. If there was something else, I wouldn't have. I'm saying nothing. You feel I'm saying? Well, hold on now. He's a good dad, man. Now, hold on. I'm not saying.

Don't you say that? He comes from good stuff. He comes from a good family. He's a good brother, folks. Nobody said he's not. All I simply said was there's other ways to handle the situation. And he tried, bro. I want you to say that.

He tried, like, do some more investigate for you bring shit like that, man. So he didn't say, he didn't say nothing bad to the teacher whatsoever. We ain't going to say he ain't going to say. He ain't going to hear no. no kids, bro. And back, by the way, I want you to go back and listen to the donkey today. And I specifically said, I don't know whether he said A and his B. I don't want to listen to it.

But he says something that got arrested. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Let me say this to you, Charlemagne. I'm going to tell you like I told everybody else. Yes, ma'am. So they said, yeah, Charlemagne, do this all the time. He's talking about everybody.

Let me say this. I don't listen to that shit because I know it's fun. It's entertainment. I'm going to tell you like this. We are black, man. our family love each other we love our kids we don't even play games like that

so anybody go look at anything down here on these Facebooks and all that with everybody's seeing about that shit he ain't even like that they're scary my shit over there that took the shit and ran with it but please don't ever put no image of our family's life out like that bro

we don't do that and that's all I got to say love y'all envy you know we shillars you down here just hilarious we love you I love you too y'all but we love y'all Stop that, man.

Yes, ma'am. All right. Thank you, first lady. Got you. Bye, y'all. I love you too. Now, let the moral of the story show that, uh, let the moral of the story be that I understand everything that she's saying.

But as I said, you can't go down to the school. Whether he said, Ed is be out or not. Whatever he said, called them people to call the police and he got arrested. So there's other ways to handle the situation. Request the meeting with the teacher of the school administration, okay? Gather more information, uh, and see what they're, policy is in regards to the snacks. She said they did all that.

That's what she said. Yeah, but she also said that she can't say that he ain't say nothing. Okay. Like, come on, man. That's our family. That's our cousin. I get it. I get it.

I get it. I get it. But thank you, First lady. First lady, if you need another cousin, I'll be your cousin to it. She woke up early in the morning, man. She woke up early in the morning. That's great. That's what I mean she's right.

I didn't say that. Because, as I said yesterday, as I said yesterday, small people learn from their own mistakes, wise people learn from the mistakes of others. We got to learn from situations like David Scott Jr. And I'm sorry that that brother's in the situation that he's in. But we know that we just can't handle, you know, things in that way, especially being that he's a black man dealing with them white people that she said that are probably prejudice. Yeah.

All right. Well, salute to the whole Detroit. What up, though, out there. All right. Get it off your chest. 800-585-105.1. If you need the vent, hit us up now. It's the breakfast club.

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We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Yeah, this is Trevor. Trevor, what's up your chest, Trevor? Oh, yeah, like my thing is, you know, I want to put it out there. Maga, we don't have no fracture in a Maga potty. It's no fracture. That's a false narrative.

Oh, you MAGA? Maga, yes, sir. Okay. All day. Yeah. there was no fracture in a megapody. And also, I want to state this because, you know, I sit back and listen

and I hear this, this, this thing about Trump, this, Trump, that. But I want to say like this, Salomein. I don't care, bro. You know, no, no, I want to say this. Remember when Joe Biden told you at the end of that podcast, if you don't vote for him,

you ain't black. Yes, I do. That's the most disrespectful stuff that, since we want to talk about white people racist. that's one of the most racist things that an old white man can tell a black man

if you don't vote for me you ain't black Trump Trump is one of the best presidents outside of Abraham Lincoln that's in that chair you know and it's false narrative

I'm not about the debate with you about this no though but like you remember when Joe Biden told you that's all right I was sitting there he said it to me what you mean yes I do but you ain't said nothing negative but you ain't say nothing negative about that.

About who? About Joe Biden? Yeah, the most disrespectful stuff. And he told you that's see your face on your podcast. If you don't vote for him, so basically he's saying... But that's not true, though. You know where you're supposed to stand as a black man. That's what he told you.

Yes. And as I told him in that moment, you know, it's not about me being black. It's about me wanting something for my people. So, I mean, that was the conversation. But had Trump, but had Trump said something like that, it would have exploded. But outside of that, though,

but I don't have no idea. But outside of that, I would say to that news lady, I want to say to that news lady, you're talking about Mimi Brown? She got to report the real story. What wasn't real? What's not the real story?

No, because, like, she got a narrative, like, she reporting, and she got that little narrative, that negative narrative, about the king, about the dawn. You know, the king and dawn. My brother, my brother, listen, listen. No, no, don't hang up on it.

This is a good conversation. There is no way that you can... I've been knowing about Trump. I've been knowing about Trump since the 80s, man. Sure. I've come up in the inner city all my life. I've been knowing about Trump since the 80s. Where you're from?

Richmond, Virginia. If you knew about Trump since the 80s, you'd have a whole... Anyway, I'm not even going to have that conversation. This is what I will say. It's impossible for you to be objective about Donald Trump because you just called that man King. And Don. Like, I don't know why we were like, why you want to argue?

So anything that you hear... Because, like, I know it's going to trigger because I know it's going to trigger, you know what I'm saying? It don't trigger me. I just don't know. I just know I can't have an objective conversation with you about. But you have a good one. But also, I just want to say this, though. If y'all can go back and look at the interview with Oprah Winfrey back in the mid-80,

when Oprah had her show in Chicago, she used to have Donald Trump on that show all the time. She always used to ask Trump about running for presidents, you know. Jesse Jackson, he looked out for Jackson Jackson, home girl from the like he did that movie with Beyonce what's her name

like the singer the black girl who got her family yeah Jennifer Hudson Trump took her in after that incident happened with her family with Michael Jackson

I never heard that I never heard that no but listen bro you gotta get off your knees man you call that white man a king this morning the glaze is crazy the crispy cream around your lips right now is ridiculous and I'm not

if that's your opinion that's your opinion but god damn you can't even be objective and have an objective conversation with somebody like that if you refer to your president as a king act that's ridiculous that is you should never refer to no elected official as a king bro no right get it off your chest 800 585 105 1 if you need to vent hit us up now it's the breakfast club good morning morning everybody is dj nv j jes hilarious sholomaine the guy we are the breakfast club we got a special guest in the building yes sir we got g erbo welcome good morning and congratulations man the number one record a couple of weeks ago

congrats man how are you I'm good I'm glad to be here how's it feel number one record uh feel good I'm not gonna lie I feel great it feel great I just be trying to like stay in the moment real for real like just

keep it like up you know like when you got those type of moments you just trying to figure out like I well I me personally like I gotta figure out what's the next best thing like what do I do next from that like I try to live in a moment and grasp up that energy, but just keep it going.

Like, I'm not trying to catch another number one. I'm just trying to keep it going. Did you expect that to be the record? Because it's not your typical... Of course, no. It was just, you're just spitting? Nah, hell, no, for sure. I was just, literally, I can't say it enough.

It was just me just having fun in the studio. I was in New York and was in the studio, me, South Side, Smat, and, you know, Southside, like, I really, I'd be having to give a lot of credit to Big Bro. Because he won the only people that could tell me, like, rap on this. Just rap on this and figure it up. like just rap and that's what I did and that changed my life who kept it as a single

you were talking you were talking who picked it as a single like was it just I'm just gonna release and see what happened and it just took off like that's what I'm saying that's why like as artists you gotta like really just

bet on yourself for real for real because I was in a mode of just trying to do music and see what the streets connected to I didn't even like that song came out in December on my app I got an app on my own on app like where I just put out music material content all this is just for the people who

really support me like you know what I'm saying my fans they know about the gherbo app I put it out on my app on a project that I was just recording all samples to like I did a project with all samples and it couldn't even go on Apple music it couldn't go on DSPs you know what I'm saying like I put it out on the app in December and the label put it out on DSPs in like March April so it's like you got to just trash shit And just see what the streets were. Congratulations on your app. Thank you.

I appreciate it. Has it changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag? Absolutely. Because see, I'd be thinking that, you know, a lot of people be fronting on, like, the power of radio and having a big radio record. Speak to that, man.

For sure. I always been, like, I knew because I've been independent this whole time. So I know about, like, analytics. I know about, like, residuals. I know what, like, one record could really change your life. That's right. So I'm saying, like, and I finally caught that record that, like, that life-changing record.

So, yeah, the bag been crazy. And the royalties from radio are better than the screaming. Yeah, absolutely, for sure. And it's like, once you get a song that really go radio, it's like, it just, like, it just changed everything. It's real, for real. Changes the places you actually perform. Yeah, for sure.

Right. Exactly. Like, you could put, you put money in radio for sure for it to do what it's supposed to do. But just, like, even, like, it's a difference between, like, putting something in radio for just get on the radio for the shit to get like rhythmic playlists

you know what I'm saying like all of that is just a big super difference like I'll be talking to like make all the time and just like once you get a record

like I'm not even talking about what legit like it's certain records that like the format where you know it could go radio you know what I'm saying like I feel like

like every artist all you need is like one radio record a year just one like you feel I'm saying it ain't that easy to get one record right it's not easy at all

but like you know hit maker that's my big brother like he the god of this like you know the whole formula he do it like and that's why he's so rich like that's rich is shit because he on radio every year at least once it out right for sure

Wildo Herb Wilder Herb I was just trying to like tap in that old hunger like my old self and when I be rapping good and I'd be reading the comments and something my fans be like oh that ain't They ain't G Herb, that's Little Herb.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like that was, like, one of my best eras of rap. Like, I always been able to rap. I'm an emcee, so it's like, I don't care if I'm not even all the way tapped into, like, my confidence and all of this. I'm always going to be able to rap good, you feel me? But, like, once you really focus on straight rap, it's different. And that's what I was trying to do. So that's why I went and, like, name my album, Leherb.

Like, I was going to, like, listen to old interviews. listen to old music videos I mean watch old music videos listen to old songs and like that and like I was just trying to find like a higher like level of rap for myself you know what I'm saying like and

I say this all the time like you could really get caught up in what's in front of you like I always been the type of person like I say this a lot a lot of rooms that I was in I wasn't really in the rooms you know what I'm saying because I'm thinking about like my past

I'm thinking about what I got to do when I get out the room like I'm just saying what's up like certain conversations that I really couldn't have because my mind is all over the place you feel me like so like in this like era where I am mentally I was just trying to like find that old hunger that made me enjoy what I have now like you know what I'm saying like that's that's why I really named my project little herb because like you're like on a day to day I'm 30 years old I'm in rapist since I was like saying like 16, for real, for real, like, you feel me? And I was trying to figure out, like, damn, like, all the steps that it took me to get here. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I forgot a lot. I'm not going to lie. It's a lot of shit that I did that I forgot. So it's like, I wanted to make myself remember. So I had to, like, go back

and, like, tap in with my old self, for real. I heard you say Little Herb is a full circle moment, and it's a return to the fundamentals. But you're closing the chapter on the Little Herb era. What does closing that chapter actually look like? Closing that chapter is, like, for real, just letting go. It's a lot of shit I held on to that I just don't need no more. Like, for real, for real, like, the streets. That therapy talk right there, boy.

Yeah, just letting go, for real, for real. And it is definitely therapy that help me. It's like a lot of shit that you hold on to. You just like, just let it go. Just let it go and just let it find you. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, for real. like I was one of them people that just like my heart so big and I feel like people knew that like people knew that like they they grabbed me and I'm grabbing them back you know what I'm saying like I'm holding on this to that type of shit is like that's just letting that chapter go like and people have been saying this to me for years and I've been knowing it but I never really acted on it like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music and my family and like God like that's the only thing that I should wake up and care about I shouldn't really give a fuck about how somebody else is

or have somebody else get to work or get the sleep or any of that and I worried about that for years like let's be closing that chapter like I'm gonna tap into this tell my story and just let go for let go and let God for real for and that go for everything and everybody and it's a whole another chapter open the for me because everything that got me here I don't I don't even really have it no more for real for like yeah all my friends did I'm gonna be a real 100% independent artists I don't got no label no production company

I'm 100% a real new person and a new artist so it's like I just want to just tap into this do what I need to do and I'm already doing it for real

but just like letting go for real like I don't want to have no attachments other than family no bulls now you talk about Mek Mill changing your life

right you said he was your inspiration break that down of what you've seen in Meek that made you think that you can do it

I've just got done listening to we gonna get this money right now on my way here like meek is my favorite rapper for real bro it's my big brother and I was just with meek last night we just did a song last night we was in the studio last night I believe but like I used to listen to meek and watch

meek when he was a battle rapper but when he really got rich and made this shit happen it's like alright but that like it's different for me watching like Wayne and Holbe and you know what I'm saying like I couldn't like I could relate to it but it's like

like when I grew up and me I seen them rich already like I seen me turn rich coming from the streets and going through all the shit that he went through and really like talking about it and preaching like positivity and motivation that shit made me feel like I just want to be like that for real for like that you really like helped me grow into the artist that I am today for real for real because like damn like it's not meek like it's not like he was an artist see he was like far away you know what I'm saying like I felt like I could grasp on to that shit

and become that like this is a real street that became the biggest in the world like he became the biggest best rap and he's a rap guy like I love rapping I'm an emce so I study that first or foremost but just a blueprinter like

he like he gave you the real blueprint like you get on you take care and you do what you're supposed to do you take care your family your mother like that n'n't make me like I just used to have to just get money to my mama just like thinking about that type of shit you know what I'm saying like I retire my mom when I was 16 years old bro literally and they put a lot of pressure on me I told my mama stopped working when I was 16 she never worked since I'm taking care of her my aunties my whole

family since I was 16 that's a lot of pressure yeah that's a hell of a pressure a lot of pressure now you're the meek mill for a lot of these younger artists so what do you show them to show them that they can do it what do you do different So, because, you know, you got a lot of kids watching them, and they want to be herbal. For sure. Like, for me is, I just try to, like, what's the word? Like, you got to, like, show them, like, like, what me did for real? Like, show them, yeah, tangible.

You just got to show them. Like, the thing with me that I feel like make a difference a lot is I let people see me in the physical. Like, you got to see it, like, have conversations, like, seeing it's believing. You feel I'm saying? Like, you know you could do this when you could actually get in front of somebody. Like, me growing up, I never seen. that I looked up to and I wanted to be like in front of me talking to me I'm saying like I just had to have a manpower like I could do it I'm gonna do it you from saying like and it happened for me

and when I got a certain age like 19 28 like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations with people that I looked up to but like 14 15 16 them years really matter where like you know what I'm saying I try to be the person where I just go back and do certain things and go touch the community and you know what I'm saying tell them that they could really make it like this shit is nothing for real like but like you know and I ain't gonna say it's nothing like it's it's a task for sure it's hard but it's easy at the same time all you got to do is wake up and strive to go get it and want to do it and believe that you could do it you just got to have a vision you for I'm saying like and and when I go look at

like these kids and be going to talk and have conversations like they got the same what did I got? Like, they really got something in them. They just don't think it's possible. This shit is really possible. Like, they, when you wait. Okay, new year, fresh start. And honestly, I'm starting with dinner. This year, I'm being smarter about where my energy goes. And dinner was taking way too much of it. I just signed up for Hello Fresh and they take Fresh start to a whole new level. Fresh high quality ingredients delivered right to my door, locally sourced whenever possible. Everything pre-portioned, nothing wasted. Now, I'm not dragging myself through weekend grocery runs or panic staring at the fridge at 530 trying to make something out of random leftovers.

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New Year, Real You. Listen to checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Take up and all you got is this four block radius in your hood and the shit that you're dealing with every day. You think that's your life,

but it's like it's so much outside of that. All you got to know is how to break that cycle. And you know, that's the thing with me. Like, I feel like that's what make a difference in why people, like, believe in me because I let them touch me I let them you know what I'm saying Paul's like you know what I'm saying

I go see the people I'm thinking about something now and you made me think about it when you said you've been rapping since you was 19 because I can remember like your first first 16 16 I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews right but then it started getting me thinking about all of these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through

here the past 15 years you talk about what's possible man you are proof that surviving is possible yeah chief keep is proof that surviving is For sure. Sosa, definitely. You know what I mean? People like, Dirk, that's locked up. People like, Bond, that's no longer here.

Plenty other artists, we probably interviewed from Chicago. Yeah, for sure. How does that feel? It feel great, man. You know, and I'm going to say this again. I'm going to, I'm a shout, make out real quick. Because he just told me the other day, and it's, if it feels different, it's a different feeling to him saying.

It's like, he's like, man, when you're the chosen one, it's certain things that just affect you differently. You know what I'm saying? And I learned that from the streets. Like, I didn't. bump my head so many times and did so much and been arrested and fell off and came back or whatever the case may be you know what I'm saying it's like when you do certain things God just punish you differently because you can't get away with that you know what I'm saying like you would think

you'll see somebody else doing it like oh he did it and you can't do that because God got a different path for you and surviving in Chicago just making it out of the streets alone is a blessing like it's literally like I'd be seeing some of my homies and certain people that just like but and I understand it other people don't get it like it's certain people where you just like you just like wash your hands with everything

I know certain there was real menaces in the streets that don't do nothing but just be at home with their girl and their kids now because they just want peace like damn I made it out this shit I can't believe I'm still alive like a lot of people never experienced life to that capacity where they just grateful that they're alive

that they still hit, you know what I'm saying? And there's a lot of people, when they come to surviving, you've got to make decisions and it got to be calculated. And there's a lot of people that's just raised off survival where you would do anything, it's a difference. Like, when you survive and you just raised off survival, like I'm trying to explain that with, like, it's certain people where if you just like survive was your first instinct,

you would do anything. That's right. You would kill your closest friend. you were snitch robbed robbed steal from your mama your grandma and you gotta understand

it's like that's just life it's certain people who don't know nothing else they was raised off a survival their mother and father raised them

off survival so it's like a lot of people don't understand that you know what I'm saying it's just me being here today I try to like I think that's

one of the reasons why like I probably got took advantage of so much because I understand both sides of the fence and I try to get everybody the benefit of the doubt

you know what I'm saying like I try to like think about putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision if I'm saying like I always before I do anything I always think about

the consequences repercussions everything so if I do something to anybody or do anything I thought about it so many times I'm comfortable with have it play out you know what I'm saying

and like you like it's only certain people that think like that especially in life and coming from Chicago you got to think about both sides of the fence it's certain people that think a lot

and it's certain people that don't think at all you feel me and it's a blessing to be here for sure for sure because I've seen a lot I experienced a lot I've seen a lot of death

and I just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where it's like I was a kid and people used to like a lady walked

I think I said this before on a breakfast club interview when I was in Shorty, like, a lady walked up on me, I'm waiting on my mom, she's coming from the laundromat. A lady walked up on me, like, you got some C? I'm like, like, what? I'm like, what?

She's like, you got some C? She asked for crack. I'm like, nine years old. I'm like, 9, 10, waiting on my mom when I'm coming to house. She's like, you got some C, I'm like, what? Yeah. She asked me if I had crack, literally a kid

at 3 in the morning, I'm outside because that's 9-year-old selling crack for real, for real. So when did you get some, the cell? Jesus. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I can't be quite a question. It's a statue of limitations with this shit, for real. Like, evolved, her.

I didn't sold some crack. I didn't sold some crack. It's a statue of limitations, for sure. That therapeutic was this album, though, in regards to your grieving process, because I hear you mention your brother a lot, especially on Give It All. How did that help? I ain't gonna lie, that.

I've been dealing with deaths since I was a kid, bro. Like, I lost, I started losing friends. when I was like 14 years old and I'm talking about that I'm touching on that in my eye on my project but you gotta really like realize I'm 30 years old I've been losing

people I love for 15 years and still managing to wake up and make it happen and BG Herbo and take pictures and smile for the fans like I really didn't lost some of my best friends and had to go do a show that same day

you feel I'm saying like my homie Cap died, 2015, I had to perform in front of 10,000 people. I just had to find it in me. A lot of people can't do that. A lot of people like, man, I just lost my homie fucking to go spin. Like, I wanted to go do the show. Like, so it's like I'm, I feel like

I'm really destined for this shit. I chose my own destiny. I chose my own path. And I'm saying that, like, for me to experience all of that death and feel like I was numb to it when my little brother died, it changed my life. That was some of the worst pain that I ever felt in my life.

ever like i i could never i never could fathom like and and i'm a street like when i wake out when i walk out the house i feel like i'm going down like you know like i really feel like that and that's what give me home you know i'm saying like every step every move that i take is calculated and i never feel like he was going there you know what i'm saying like no bulls i never ever think like him hell no i just i never thought he was going down every day i wake out wake up i I really feel like I'm a die. I feel like somebody will do something to me. And that's just the life I live.

And that's just... You still feel like that? Because I remember the last time you said you feel like that. You said you were going to therapy to help you not feel that. That's PTSD. It helped me with it. But like, nah, hell no. And I'm glad that even going through therapy and, like, growing and healing the way that I've

healed in my life, I'm kind of glad that I never lost their edge for real because that's how I protect myself. That's how I protect my children. how I make sure I get back home you feel I'm saying like I'm not out here thugging I ain't wild and I ain't doing no crazy shit some days I leave the house and it just be just me by myself no security nothing but I'm still on point I'm still watching my back I'm still aware of my surroundings you feel I'm saying so it's like I'm glad that I never lost that edge for real for real and when like going back to what you know what I'm saying what you

said Charlemagne like when I when my little brother died I lost myself like I became an alcoholic like a badass alcoholic i never used to drink bro i used to drink a fifth of liquor every single day like every day by myself like and my girl was pregnant when he died you feel me like and i was like i i was trying to like not be that weak around her you feel me because she she she know i didn't been through shit like she didn't been around me and i didn't lost homies you know what i'm saying like and she used to like say like snap out of it like you feel me like she used to like say but it's like, I can't, it was just so hard for me.

I really couldn't, for real. Like, I used to have to leave the house just to go cry. Like, swear to God, like, just go get in the car and just cry for an hour straight because I ain't want to do that in front of her. And I felt like I should have. I should have, I should have. But I was like, I don't know. I just.

And when she say, snap out of it, what does she mean? Like, not snap out of the grief, snap out of the hill and snap out of the crashing out. Drinking every day and wanting to go to the club. and just feel something because I really can't feel nothing you know what I'm saying like that was like that's what she used to tell me to snap out of

and it was like it was hard man I ain't gonna lie I want to go back to one thing you said in regards to how you reacted deaf because you know staying busy as a response to trauma yeah right and we saw that in real time if you don't mind me bringing

this up like like people don't know the day your father passed God bless the day I came in you were scheduled to do a breakfast club interview you came in the studio and still wanted to do it like bro go home like what the hell like and i'm i love you forever for that because i really was here to do that and it's like that's the thing like i'm so used to deaf and used to shit it's like

i didn't even process it for real like i came here because it's like i really was in my head trying to forget that my dad is dead but i got to like understand it i got to know like yeah my pop's just died today i need to process that like and you had just got the news while you was in the car on the way yeah on the way yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah My dad was in the hospital I knew he was sick and I found out he died and I just came here I don't know I just like

I don't even like We had to tell G Hermo go home Like what are you doing Bro like we're not doing no enemy Yeah no he told me like bro Just go home like just Yeah Leave bro

For real for real real What was the rest of that day Like what did you do Did you reflect on it Were you afraid to even face it? I was afraid because like When you lose a parent That's different

For real for real for my dad Like I didn't I didn't have an absent father. Like, my father been living with me my entire life. Like, my mother and my dad been together 40 years, for real, for real. And, like, and I think I was just trying to, like, not feel it, like, not process it. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was just like, all right, bet.

Let me just do it. And, like, that's the problem. Like, that's the thing. Like, you feel like, all right, let me just do it and push through this. And this is my job. This is my life. Like, you got to put that shit to the side sometimes when you're going through things like that. You feel I'm saying?

And the rest of that day for me was really just like, I was scared. Like, I ain't want to call my mama. I ain't want to talk to my sister. It took me so long to just ask my sister, are you okay? How you doing? It was super hard. Because you weren't okay. Yeah, like, I was scared to, like, had them conversations with her.

Like, how are you feeling? You know what I'm saying? And even my mom, like, I keep my mom close to me, man, my mom like this, you feel me? And I know it. Like, I could see it. I know she was not okay. And I used to avoid them conversations.

You know what I'm saying? like she'd bring stuff up and like send me pitches and all that it was it was like I'd have been in therapy I'm a person that's not like shy from my emotions like I'm in tune my emotions all of that but just like it was hard because like for me just I just thought he had more time like I just wanted him to be here so I wasn't trying to like live in reality because I'm still I was still grieving my little brother yeah you know what I'm saying like so when that happened it was just like I didn't want to believe that my dad

was dead because I'll be on the road sometimes I go eight months without seeing my pops so it's like you feel me like eight nine months without seeing them at all sometimes I go months without talking to him so I was trying to like tap into that like you feel me like let me just getting that mentality like he like he here but you know what I'm saying but he my my pops really like that's crazy I think about that every day like man really died on me and it's crazy like I pray every day like I pray so much because my pops, my last conversation with him, my dad died the day after his birthday. Like, my birthday, October 8th, my dad, birthday, October 16th, he died on 17th. And my last conversation with him, when I called him, I said, happy birthday, I said, man, you're on your way, boy, you're getting old.

Like, oh, you're getting old, boy, and he died. Like, that was the last thing I said to my pops. Like, boy, you're on your way, boy, you're about to be 70. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're getting old. And that's good. Stop getting old. That shit is going to dream like

You said that I was on my way Yeah I hope so I want him to Nah he haven't checked I want him to I hope he's telling me that the night Like that shit

Give me a lot of comfort For real for real Is it hard to write about I mean like I said You write about your brother now Yeah But do you think your brother Would pass three years ago

Five Five okay five years So is it hard It's hard to put that on paper right now In a way Like I'll just Like for sure Like in a way

I just rap about like my pop's passing I never like I didn't got all the way like I didn't made songs like paying homage to my brother like give it all that song is about my brother

and made songs just talking about how I felt that day like I didn't make multiple songs about my brother dying like I ain't did that for my pop shit all I said on wax for real is just like my dad did like I never spoke about

the emotions how I felt none of that so yeah it is definitely tough because I don't know I feel like mentally or just where I'm at in life, like, I ain't been able to tap into that pain yet.

Yeah. Well, you want to get it to something off the album? What you want to hear off the album, man? Let's play Give It All. That's one of my favorite songs, for sure. Why not? We appreciate you for joining this, brother. And make you to pick up Herbo album this week.

Skis. And it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ and V. Just hilarious. Salameen the Guy. We are The Breakfast Club.

Lawlerosa is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. Number one record. The record is flying on the Chelsea. We play at what? Every hour on. the hour, damn there.

One of my wife's favorite records right now. Folded, ladies and gentlemen. Kalani, welcome. Hey, hey, guys. How are you, Kalani? I'm really good. How are you? I am blessed black and how to you.

How's your energy? It's good. Can I tell you guys something before we start? Yes, of course. It's very important that during this era of my life, I let everyone know that my name is pronounced Kailani. Kaylani. Who said otherwise?

You guys said Kalani. I said Kalani. I always say Kaylani. You're a god. You're a god. You're a god. You're a guy. Hey Lonnie.

Good morning, Kaylani. Good morning. Morning. I'm really good. How are you guys? This might be like a stupid question, but like, why this, right now, why haven't you been correcting people? You know what? I feel like I have here and there. Okay. But then, like, it just blows under. Like, nobody cares.

Everybody just says how they want to say. It's not that big of a deal. I have family members who say Kalani. Got you. But, you know, I'm like, I'm 30 now. I'm feeling a little like, let's just get, you know, it's been 10 years. You know, it's been saying my name wrong for 10 years. Yeah, then directly, you know, we all like to create safe spaces for ourselves.

Yeah. I don't think you can create a safe space of people calling you out. wrong name because I think if I was doing an interview and somebody said Kalani and the whole interview you probably be thinking I should have corrected him I should have corrected him I should but no one wants to be that person as like sour is the moment and it's like by the way scratch that yeah you should yeah we are now now you guys know that's right how does it feel folder number one how is that feeling it feels really good it's been a long time coming I've been getting told for the last eight years in my life you know you're always one song

away you're one song away you're one song away we see it for you and so to have the song and everything be changing in this way. It's really nice. Did you know that was the record when y'all did it? Did you know that was going to be it? No, it was the most accidental thing in the world. Like, even making it was accidental. It came about accidentally.

I'm in L.A. I get a call to come finish this feature, but the guy's like, I'm about to go on this massive tour. Like, so you have to come finish it with me in person, bring the producers, come to Miami. Bring the producers. We go to Miami. And for two days, we just can't figure out this song

that we're supposed to finish. And we didn't want to waste a time So we went to a studio house With Don Mills who actually plays a guitar on the song And Dre Harris came And the first beat he played was the folded beat From his boy, D.K. The Punisher And I bring it in the other room

And I just keep singing this hook And everybody's like, that's really cool Like let's build on it And we stayed there for a week But every single day after You know, we made that song It'd be the one song from the like the camp That we just kept replaying

And I hit my label and I was like, I don't know like, I know you guys are looking for, what is it? It's like, as a June or July at this time, I'm not sure, I know you guys are looking for like the club single, the banger, this is not that. Like, this isn't really song of the summer. I don't, but this feels like an introduction to like where I'm at mentally, musically, my, you know, maturation in my, like, my sonic journey. And let me just tease it, like, let me put it out.

You guys don't have to, you know, don't freak out, but it feels good. And it just kind of like took its own life and there we are. Takes a lot of emotional intelligence to fold a man's clothes and tell them come get him instead of just throwing them all over the long Well, I mean, I'm definitely not folding a man's clothes Oh, well, you're perfect

Anyone's close, yeah But I think it's a very nuanced perspective And I'm watching a lot of people Be on this, you know, really extreme side of it either Like, Kailani's way better than me You're close of being a trash can Or a blue store You know

I'm not taking time for that year Or they're like, yeah I'm folding instantly I'm folding a clothes and asked it who cares if they did wrong. In the song, I verbatim say, like, I probably should have asked for space, but I kind of told you to walk away,

which means I probably jumped the gun and I overreacted, and I need to express to you that you did hurt me, but also maybe come over so we can talk about it. So it's more of like a nuanced, mature conversation existing. That's kind of like both. You did hurt me, but we also need to speak. And I also might have not, you know,

handled this the right way. And let's just get in the same place and get in each other's face and come talk about it. I'm going to use your clothes as bait. I like that. It's accountability. Oh, go ahead. Yeah.

No, go ahead. You're choosing vulnerability over wearing emotional armor. Yeah, exactly. So what's shifted in your real life that allowed that change? I think something happens when you, you know, you're turning 30. I mean, astrologically, something major happens. You go through a side and return. And outside of that, I just, I've been through a lot.

And the last couple years, I've really spent, you know, making the changes I needed to make. I know I saw you guys last time. We talked about mental health and all those. You know, it's been a year since then. I think when I came to you guys last time, I was a week into being diagnosed. I just started medication. I'm now a year into, like, that journey,

very settled in, very in my routine, very, very, very healthy. And being able to assess myself and assess my situations and, you know, just be on top of my stuff. Honestly, that allowed me to be able to come to a place to write from the perspective I'm able to write from now. Were you ever on the other side, meaning were you ever the person to throw the clothes in the bag and then throw the clothes out the window?

Oh, for sure. Of course. It was a growth. Yeah, I've been like a 25-year-old girl before. Yeah, for sure. What has your journey been like since? As you said, last time they saw you, it was like first week of you. You know, what has your personal journey been like, you know, using your medicines now and kind of understanding, you know, your body and your mental?

What is that up and down or consistency been like? It hasn't been different for you. Yeah, I mean, bipolar disorder is a really layered thing that also because it's so stigmatized. in the world and there's so many jokes about it that I think people get really confused. You know, they think, okay, I woke up with an attitude and then later on I felt better than I had an attitude again, so I'm bipolar.

It's a way bigger, deeper thing than that. And I think medicine and my therapy journey gave me the opportunity to have thought applied to my mood and thought applied to situations when, you know, in other ways I wouldn't have had the thought. I would have just felt it and it would have just left and next thing you know, there's episodical things.

things happening and next thing you know I'm just gone with the wind um but this I wouldn't say it stops it completely but it really allows you to have a process um and I think that that's been the biggest difference is I have so much like so much option for process now and I can go through these things and take them slowly and think about them and like have a second where I'm like you know I have the tools now I have a tool belt of things I can apply like do I go this way do I take a walk do Why, like, this is not the reaction that I want to. This is not the version of myself that I want to show up in this situation. So things like that, I think.

I always say it's difficult being vulnerable, right, for an artist. How difficult is that? Because you're showing the side of yourself that I'm sure you think that maybe people are laugh. But then on the other side, I'm sure as a side that says, there's so many people dealing with it. And I love the fact artists are doing more. We've seen it with Gucci, the same thing. So when did you realize I could be that vulnerable? And was it a hard line to draw to be like, do I want to be this vulnerable?

Do I want to share this experience? I think I've always been messily vulnerable, but I grew up in front of the world. You know, everybody's been seeing me do interviews like this since I was 19 years old. And I think when you're viewing it on the outside, you kind of timestamp people, like artists get timestamped in whatever version of themselves stuck out to the fan. So there's people who still view me as something I went through when I was 24. And like, that's who they'll see me as forever. And when you're 24 at that time, you're also confidently speaking in these interviews because you're like, This is who I am right now and I get it.

Then 10 years later, you're like, oh, my God. I don't know who that person was. I mean, it hasn't been 10 years for me, but I'm 30 now and I'm looking back at things I said when I was 24, 25, even 27, and I'm like, yikes. Even a year ago, I'm like, okay, like growth. I'm different now. That's good, though.

Yeah. You have the self-awareness to. That was supposed to go. Yeah. You know, this has to feel good to you, too, the success of folded, because vocally, you were one of the first artists I saw publicly showing support for Palestine. And, I mean, you spoke out when a lot of people weren't.

I know you lost shows because of it. You were barred from things. How does it feel having this success? And you have it for being on the right side of history. Yeah, I think if we have the courage to do things, and then we see people have success after doing the things that we deem scary, we might be more courageous to do them. And I think it's important that other artists see that I've been able to thrive after all those things happen.

I mean, there's still things that I would never be allowed to do or things that are not getting picked up or even now. Oh, yeah, for sure. Probably forever. I don't think people realize how deep it goes. I didn't even at the time realize how deep it goes. Also, to be really frank, I was incredibly manic. So a lot of the routes that I went, the yelling and the, you, F, all you guys,

if you guys don't understand, and da-da-da-da-da-da. You know, half my team could go if y'all don't speak. Just these different routes versus like, hey, let me calm down and be strategic about this. Because in every single movement and every single political, yeah, movement across the board, there's more strategy involved in the way that you communicated, the way that you choose to organize, the things that you engage with. And at the time,

I didn't really have those resources to think in that way. So, yeah, there's still things that I'm experiencing that I probably will experience for a really long time. But I think this other side of it is speaking to the fact that

when there's great music, there's great music. And when people love the music and they love the art, then you can't really be taken out in that way. I'm a stern believer that you should always move off strategy over emotion,

but you can understand the emotion when you're watching kids being smart. I'm so much grace for how I handled it because I was really just passionate and upset. I was angry. We should have all been angry. It was really terrible to watch and treacherous to feel some kind of like a part of

because our country is such a big part of it. But I definitely wish that I was able to calm myself to be smarter about the way that I went about it for my own sake and for being a leader in front of a camera for other people. And how do you feel when other artists don't speak about it when they have the opportunity? Do you look, how does that feel to you?

Because you jumped out the window and you got banned from things. I think it's really easy to say, like, I want to be very clear with my words. Like, it is really easy to say that I hate them for it or I'm, I really blame them. But after experiencing everything I went through, which went way deeper than just being banned from things, you know, got into my safety, my family dynamics, my friendships, I had to move. It put me into a really bad paranoia Every time I left the house It was everybody out to get me

And did I need security to sit in front of my house And was anybody plotting on me And the death threats I got at my show It was like highly organized Typed out detailed death threats It's easy to say Like that shouldn't matter Because we should all be up in arms

And part of me is like yeah we should But also I wish there was It wasn't so sinister Like the lashings behind the scene I wish it wasn't so sinister and I wish it wasn't something to be afraid of I think if we all spoke in numbers and there was so many of us

it wouldn't be so easy to just come after one person I think when you leave it to be one or two people it's easy to just get them out of here we've seen it historically but if it's a lot of people who can they get there's a bunch of us did it make you speak out even more because you did it at the red carpet

on the AMAs you voiced support for Palestine so when you were getting backlash behind it seems you're like now I'm gonna go out there even more I just like I was like I'm already here like I'm already experiencing everything I'm experiencing and it hasn't stopped like it's still you know ceasefire and all still hasn't stopped and if even if you know the genocide itself does stop there's a much larger thing at hand there which is you know ending the apartheid so I don't know I don't think it was ever like an intentional I'm going to choose to speak I was asked a question on the carpet and I answered it and my stance remains. the same. Yeah, it's just interesting that you would still be getting back, like, because even the UN chief said there are strong reasons to believe that war crimes have been committed. Yeah, we're dealing, we're dealing with a very delusional other side. It's a very delusional side

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that's not even real. Like, y'all made this up. You know, like you kind of at some point I have to be like, okay, there's a game here and I'm not going to play this game with you guys because you know what you're doing. I'm not going to play it. I saw the comments about, you know,

you speaking out on ice and them going into school and things and energy. I know you're a mom as well, but have you experienced any similar pushback from the other side or wherever because of those comments? No. Yeah, Zionism is a much larger, deeper,

darker, sinister thing than good old regular American racism, even though they're very intertwined and they walk hand in hand with each other a little bit. But yeah, no, I haven't experienced any pushback from that. I think we're all more comfortable talking about that in general than you know anything else so

I was going to ask you, you know, we also seen you speak out about AI in the industry. Yeah. And the crazy part about it is I agree with you. I think it's crazy for an artist. We had Tank and Jay Valentine up here and they were talking about they think it's a good thing and that, you know, artists

and the industry needs to adapt to it. I think it kind of hurts the fact of the creativity. But they did say it's not better than Kalani? You were executive, right? Yes. Would you have the sign and all this that you got to deal with makeup, hair, managers, security, all that, or AI person that you ain't got to deal with nothing. You cut a check and just let the money come in. Well, if you tell me that person you just said, it's Kaylani. I'm taking Kaylani. It's worth it.

They're going to see her drive. They're going to see how hard she goes. And you're going to go, oh. Amen. Amen. Amen. So what's your thoughts on it? I think there's so many layers to it. One, we're going to put out there that, you know, it's not good for the environment. It's affecting communities everywhere. but especially disparaged black communities in America is messing with the water is messing with the air like it's going to make people sick in the long run we move on from that and get into

all these aspects of music that are being and jobs let's forget music right I'm speaking to music because I'm being asked about music you know but I'm not I think there's a much larger thing of like all these little jobs that people are employed to do that is keeping their families going that is literally feeding everyone around them are just gone and we don't realize we're training you know these systems to do

those things there's things that I understand I think I was told about how it is working for surgeries like these robots are helping in surgery more precision they're saying more precise you know more precise surgeries and then there's you know like the disabled community and being able to get things done in that way and I've experienced producers and writers be stuck on something and use it to help or like finish something and then get it replayed or get it remade and like those aren't exactly things that I'm super mad about like I'm not going to bark at them the same way but overall as a whole but a fake person a fake artist a fake singer it's just unfortunate because I think music is such a god-given thing it's it's the highest gift you know God gave to earth is

used in every single religion across the board to connect with God it's it's a very powerful thing and for it to be generated in that way and also be what it's what it's used using to be generated is a combination of real people's stories and real people's voices and real people's feelings and emotion and for all that to happen even deeper than oh it's going to take our jobs because there's this sensationalized sentence of mind that's like why do I have to compete with a computer but it's not about competing it's more like this is a disruption of something that God gave us you know what I mean and that feels wrong to me like it's music is such a it comes from here it's given here

And to have that generated through a computer just feels like it just feels wrong. I like this argument, Kalani. I like this because I feel the same way. It is a download from God. You can't download it from a computer. But now they have, you know, they have Jesus AI. Yeah. And you can log on and have meaningful conversations with Jesus.

Send Jesus a message and then they'll send you back a biblical verse. Yeah. It sounds crazy. I think it's going to go so far. I think it's going to go so far. I don't think people are thinking about the negative implications, like being able to be framed for things being able to have images created of your children that are inappropriate that lives on people's computers and they can do whatever they

want to it um when you're when you wake up one day and somebody has a sex tape of you that never happened yeah if they can make that's happening now oh it is has you heard about the people getting the phone calls oh yeah that was three years ago yeah they call you and you hear your kids or somebody screaming oh I need X amount of money because my kid got like I don't think people are it's just cute and fun in games now and you want to make videos of Malcolm X eating a seafood boil with Martin Luther King and and Michael Jackson and Prince have an argument about whose funeral was more lit like I've seen them all you know it's it's but

there comes a point when you have to realize that where there's always light and fun there's always going to be the extreme of that existing somewhere that we can't access it and I also think something is real sinister about the White House using so much AI oh this election year is gonna be crazy yeah it's gonna be nuts how are they going to be able to say anything was real or false. What do you say to the people? Because I know one of the conversations that you were having was specifically about the $3 million deal.

The reported $3 million dollar doing that Zanaia, the AI. The thing. I don't even know how to reference it. The artist Zanaia Monet got, right? There are people that will say all of that is true but there's good and bad with everything. But on the other hand, you have this black woman who is using

her poetry to write lyrics and now is $3 million wealthier and able to do for her family and stuff like that. I mean, And I said even in the times I've spoken about her, I'm not mad at her ability to have done that for herself. I think it's dishonest the way we're speaking about it because I think it's a very interesting thing to be responding to particular comments and saying certain things, but not telling the truth. Tell the truth. You wrote a couple lines. You said a couple words.

Then you framed, I might want it to sound like this and go like this and take from this and make it sound like this and make it appeal in this way and make me look like this and da-da-da. And it did all of that. you're doing 15% of the job. Let's just be honest about what the 15% of the job is. If you write poetry, I would love to write with a poet. I've written with poets before. They come in, we write together, I turn their words into a song. I use my songwriter brain to apply to their poetry brain,

and we make a really beautiful product. But I'm watching her answer these questions, and I'm watching the lies accumulate and, like, tick together in her head to try to figure out what to say. And I'm like, we could just tell the truth and say what the tool is being used for. And then maybe it can have its separate charts or it can not, because you're right, there is no stopping yet.

I could get, you know, shit for being said it should have its own charts. But at this point, something has to be done. AI separate chart with AI artists. Yes. Let them do it out. I mean, I had created something called guaranteed human. I saw that. So at least we're going to be human, like the personalities and music.

But if one day they do decide to play AI music, it'll still, you know, this is AI music. Yeah. So, yeah, it's less about. I want everybody to feed their families and be successful at the end of the day. That's my wish. If I had one wish in the world, it would be for everybody to have their needs met. So I'm never mad at that. I like what you said, though, because I was going to ask you, what does authentic music have that AI-generated music could never have?

God, word up. Yeah. That's the answer. That's it. I don't play with things like that. You know, it's such a deep thing. And I feel like us being able to, I watch the A artist even talk about God. it is insane.

The AI gospel, that is insane. I'm looking in Zenaia Monase. Yeah, I'm looking in Zanayanae's comments and they're saying, sis, you're anointed. That's kind of crazy. I'm going to go look at the comments right now, but I will say when I first heard the song, whenever I was up in arms,

I had listened to the music and I went and listened and I was like, oh, this is actually like, it's good music. Because you know what it's doing, though? It's analyzing the community that she's trying to appeal to, which means it's studying black women. saying what do black women want to hear, what perspectives, what type of voices, what kind of

stories, what kind of emotions, and then accumulating all of that and going, I'm going, I'm to give you a package deal of exactly what you want, even down to what I look like. So it's an artificial anointing. Can it be an artificial anoint? Artificial. I don't know if that goes in the same sentence. But you know, hey. Are you against the chat, GPT stuff as well? I'm against people putting it in place of very human things. Look, we are. entering makes life easier for a lot of people it does and that's the argument it does because kids go to school you could type it a pay i have to do a report on this type it in chat gbtee you get a 10 page report does that mean the argument of like people who can't afford english classes that moved here

and need english classes is teaching them english like there are there's always going to be this thing that's like there are things that it is good for and there are things that it is bad for outside of you know what's it doing what it's doing to the environment but we become gladness with it and And it's not regulated, guys. That's really the problem is that it's not regulated. Did you not see the moments where people were telling their chat GBT to cancel itself? And then it hops servers to avoid getting deleted? Like I robot?

Yes, it hop. I promise you can look this up right now. It jumped servers because it didn't want to get. If it can observe all of our emotions, why couldn't it be able to think of something as sinister as we could think of and not want to get canceled or not want to get deleted or not want to be gone or want to it's studying us 24 seven yeah there's something i mean i i totally agree with you with the god thing because there's something to being a spiritual being living a human existence right like we're supposed to make mistakes we're supposed to try to figure things out like us like

yeah through prayer and meditation and just and therapy therapy yeah community yes community being a community member is really important talking to people having other people talk to you back sharing experience messing up together being held accountable being called in growing getting applause from other humans, getting love from other humans, if we're all just going to be alone getting all those things from a robot, like we're going to stunt ourselves as a world. As a species, I agree.

Then what happens to love and what happens to art and what happens to music, I just had to, I've been having this conversation for weeks. Like, you know, that paired with how the internet's obsessed with destroying each other and calling and completely ruining people's lives and doing all these kind of things. We're entering a very individualistic,

let's kill community for people kind of world. Like we're isolating everyone from every side. Technology and each other is becoming this huge isolation party and it's really sad.

How does that make you as a mom now because you have a daughter? So how are you raising your child in this type of world that you just named? You know what I mean? Because these other kids when they go to these colleges

and schools, they're going to be using ChatGPT. Yeah. You know, these other kids are going to be using things that necessarily you don't agree with, you know? So how do you raise that daughter

in this crazy world? With information, I think I, give her all the information possible i don't i don't lie to my kid i don't you know obviously you don't just outright tell her terrible things but like you give her all the information so she knows what's out there and i tell her why this i don't agree with this why i think this is bad why you know i'm not going to say no to this but i'm going to give you another option and explain why that option is probably the better option to do and let her decide ultimately i can't protect her from what she learns at

school and what her friends share and things like that but at home we're very like human folks and I'm very communal, like she's a big extended family. She's a million aunties and uncles and cousins, and she lives a very, I have community and people around me kind of life. She's not sitting in the corner on her iPad alone all day. That's just not her life. Does she see the, how does she feel about the evolve version

of Kaylani, right? Because you said you've changed. She's six, I don't know. You've got to be a difference between three and six and four and six and like, mom's cooler now, you know, mommy. I mean, I've been her mom the whole time. I've just been my daughter's mom the whole time.

whole time. How everyone else gets to see me is never going to be how she sees me because I'm just her mommy. I always have been. I always will be. I don't fall apart in front of her. I don't put her in any adult situation. She doesn't have a clue if anything is going on with me. I've just been her happy mom this whole time and I take pride in that. You, um, switching gears. You said Brandy was on your Mount Rushmore. Yes. Who else? Um, Stevie Wonder is the head of the Mount Rushmore. Is this vocals or just artists in general? I think artistry. Okay, okay, okay.

And this is for everybody, or you said every artist or every singer should have this Mount Rushmore? I think every singer should have different kinds of Mount Rushmore. Like, I said she should be on the vocal Mount Rushmore, but also artistry, like, in general. But she should be on everyone's vocal of Mount Rushmore. 100%. I want to know your vocal. My vocal, my vocal, my Rushmore. Okay.

Brandy. I, Beyonce. Um. Can't put them next to each other I'm just joking I'm just going Just keep going I can let that go

I can let that go I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Have a beautiful tour They're having a beautiful tour Please let them

I am I'm sorry Please Um Yeah Beyonce Whitney Houston Of course

Yes That's the one I wanted to make sure It was on Oh yeah Well yeah I mean That's a lineage

Right There's no Brandi without Whitney Houston I'm sorry Who's your last one Brandi Beyonce Whitney

Um, I'm gonna say Mariah. Gotta be right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about, like, freaky level, like, channel talent of like, okay, well, will anybody be able to ever do that again, type people. But if you want to see Kaylani, she's going to be performing at our jingle ball in Miami and our jingle ball in Atlanta. And we appreciate you for joining us. Thank you.

We always get real deep in here. One time, Kaylani didn't want to come up here. She's like, I ain't with the breakfast. I was scared of you guys. She was scared as a mother, butt. We got through. We were having different conversations then. Yes.

I was like, I was little. Look at us. We've all evolved. Absolutely. Yeah. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Make sure you tell him to watch out for Florida, man.

The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of four. Yes, you are a donkey. A Florida man attacked an ATM for a very strange reason. It gave him too much money. Florida man is arrested after deputy said he rigged the door to his home in an attempt to electric hit his pregnant white. electric kid is pregnant wife. Police arrested an Orlando man for attacking a flamingo. The breakfast club, bitchy. Donkey of the day with Charlamagne the guy. I don't know why y'all keep you

letting him get you all like this. No, Lord Duval, it's not me. It's Florida. Okay, donkey of the day goes to a 48-year-old Florida man named Darius Davis. Okay, Darius Davis is from Miami, Florida. Okay, drop on the clues bombs from Miami-Dade. All right. What does your uncle, Shala, always say about the great state of Florida? Say it with me. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida, and today is no exception, okay? Salute to every black man out there who still has a hairline. All right,

God bless you all. I remember those days of having one, and what bothers me the most is I feel like I got cheated because back in the day, I got my wig pushed back by a whack barber. Okay, you know one of those barbers trying to get that line sharp, but in the process of them trying to get it sharp, they just keep

pushing your headline back further and further. Okay, I really feel like that got me started on the path to baldness, okay? That barber snatched my edges, all right? My hairline never fully recovered from the barber pushing my hairline back, okay? Every black man out there knows the pain of getting your hairline pushed back, and then finally at some point, you just say, F it, cut it all off.

Okay, we were forced to go bald because a barber pushed our hairlines back, all right? Hashtag tragic. Now, Darius did something that a lot of men dream about doing when their hairline gets pushed back, and that's something. is violence. What do you mean violence, Uncle Charlotte? Well, let's go to Local 10 News for the report, please. Darius Davis is in jail once again

after police spent a few days looking for him following a violent encounter at a barbershop. Security video from that day shows Davis walking back into SquareBiz with a gun and threatening the owner, Samuel Wilson. Wilson says this was all over an issue with Davis's hairline. The barber

says he's been doing Davis's hair for a while, and never had an issue before. He wasn't a man until he had that pistol in his hand. Slap me in the head with a choke me out. You got it. In the video, you can see Davis force Wilson to the couch and hit him with the gun. Newly obtained arrest forms for Davis show police took him into custody a few days later after a traffic stop. The 48-year-old was booked into jail before appearing in Bond Court over the weekend multiple times.

I did not think he was going to come around here and come back. I thought we might have fist to cuff, but I didn't think he was going to come back with a firearm. I told him, man, have a good day. The Davis is facing several charges. The judge set his bond at about $35,000 has since posted. First of all, before we continue the story, I want to say sleuth to all the barbers out there. Dropping the clues bombs for every barber that can hear my voice. Barbers are pillars in the black community.

My brothers, when you really put it in perspective, there aren't too many people more important to the black community. Some of y'all don't go to church, but you go to a barbers shop at least twice a week. So the barber more important than your pastor. Some of y'all see your barber more than you see your doctor, which is a good thing because I guess you're healthy. But once again, your barber is more important to you than your doctor. Hell, some folks wouldn't even want to go to the doctor without a haircut. All right? The moral of the story is we're going to stop acting like barbers aren't a part of our circle of life.

For me, a spiritual leader, therapists, barbers, doctor, dermatologist, personal trainer. Okay, what is the moral of the story? The moral of the story is, barbers should be given the utmost respect at all times. Unless, and there isn't unless, unless they are a terrible barber. Okay, no barber deserves violence unless, of course, they are terrible. But even if they are terrible, even if there is a barber malpractice, they don't deserve to get a gun pulled on them, all right? There's levels to violence.

Don't like your fade, then ask for a fade, all right? But pulling a gun, that's too much, all right? Actually asking for a fist fight or fisticuffs is too much, okay? You can just say he sucks. That's worse than actually pulling a gun on someone or fighting them because nobody wants to be the barber in the shop that nobody goes to. That is one of the most lonely men in the world.

You hear me? Okay, and they always fat because they have nothing else to do but sit there and eat while everybody else on their feet all day because they got actual clients, all right? Now, for the record, most people wouldn't react to having their headline push back in this way, but you always have to know who you plan with. Darius is a convicted felon, all right?

He is a known violent offender. He had an armed robbery charge in 93 and 98, and burglary with assault in 98. He did prison time from 99 to 2004 and from 2006 to 2017. So clearly, Darius about all that action, okay? So anything can set him off. And I don't think people understand what not having a hairline does to some men. It can trigger violence, all right? Some men don't have their head for a baldy.

And the thought of them having to get one is, in fact, I thank God he gave me the kind of skull that looks cool with a baldy, okay? Because everyone can't do it and they know it. Everybody doesn't want to wear the man unit, okay? Everybody doesn't want to do the painting on hairlines, but they also know how ridiculous they could look with a baldie. Think about, you know, how we had to get used to seeing Steve Harvey with a baldy. Took some time for us to adjust, right?

Right? Remember Miguel, Army singer Miguel, when he first came out with a baldy, looked ridiculous okay LeBron James couldn't have a baldy okay I could tell by his head shape

yet another reason he will never be Michael Jordan okay who are some other people who look ridiculous with a balddy Jess what you think

Cynthia Arriva damn okay first of I'm talking about the name Jess what the hell Cynthia Arriva I don't know

how you've been asked you the moral of the stories when the only thing sharper than the clippers is your temple trim the attitude not the argument

It. Okay. Please give Darius Davis the sweet sounds of the hamletones. You are the donkey of the day. You are the donkey of the day. Yes, indeed. That's crazy. Oh, Miguel head was crazy. He looked ridiculous.

Go back and look at Miguel when he first came out with a ball head. And he did it in the reverse. Usually people start with him and then go ball. Miguel started off ball. Go back and look, y'all don't remember Miguel when you first came out? Definitely. You don't remember Miguel when you first came out and he had the ball and head? Yeah.

That was different. That was all I want is you, Miguel. You're playing the dawn. He had hair by doing. Yeah, no, that was that. Yeah, that's when he was born. Oh, wow. Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Getting real eggy around with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. All right.

Well, thank you for that donkey today, sir. Yeah, you said one too many dams when looking at a man. Right. You looked at that man. You looked at Miguel for 30 seconds and said seven dams. They ain't need no seven dams. Because there's a bunch of different pictures. All right.

Anyway, thank you for that donkey today, sir. Yes, ma'am. Yes, man. Guys crazy. everybody is DJ NV Just hilarious Shalameen the guy We are the Breakfast Club

Laurel Laroosa's here as well And we got a special guest in the building Papoose papoose What's going on? Peace What's up, bro? How you feeling, man? I think it's great man

I see you just celebrated your daughter's birthday the other day Yeah, I did, man McDonald's party Yeah, she turned seven years old That's nice man Beautiful thing, man Enjoy, they get big fans

It's so fast man You know what I'm saying So yeah it's a blessing I feel like you You should have been Did bars on wheels Oh really Yeah yeah yeah yeah

I did. That's a fact. That's a fact. What is Bars on Wheels, first of all? Yeah, so Bars on Wheels, a journey to save hip hop, man. It's me basically taking what I was doing on Instagram to the next lap wheel. I mean, so sometimes when I post the videos and me driving in the car rapping, some people go in the comments, and they be like, okay, but where's he going? So I'm like, you know what? Why are you going to? See, there you go.

So I'm on a journey to save hip hop. I'm saying. So that's the name of the project, man. And I didn't want to just do it as an album. I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before. You've always prided yourself on just being a pure lyricist, and everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes, warding the bars. What do you think lyric first rappers need to do

to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft? I think just be themselves, man. I think nobody can do you better than you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're the only one with your DNA, and you got to utilize that. Sometimes people try to go outside of themselves, and you're cheating yourself

because you could have just been yourself, and you never know what the outcome could be. So to answer the question, it's just be yourself, man. So when you write today, are you just trying to outwrap everybody? Are you just more focused on saying something meaningful? Because you've always said meaningful things in your mind, too. Nah, man, it's just I studied the crap. I practiced my craft so long that it comes out like that pause.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to outwrap nobody. It happens naturally, you know what I'm saying? To be honest. Now, I know the project is all about saving hip-hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like you can't save hip-hop. And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is

the conversation around like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated the culture. So, first of all, I guess, you know, obvious question is why would you, why include that? And then second question to that is if we can't save hip hop, then what's your real mission? Like, how are you? So, you know, I think that played a major part

to the demise of our culture, about hip-hop. You know, rest of peace to guys like Mac Miller, young artists who were just dying from drug overdose. I think all of those things, man where they glorified using drugs and you got kids OD on it so I just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it and um as far as at the end then when I said you know can't save them you know you got to watch part two to see the uh to continue to get the conclusion of that but that's how I feel sometimes man like when I'm when I say I'm

on a journey to save hip hop I'm a part of the culture like I live this for real so anytime I step in front of the microphone that's my goal to elevate the game but it feels helpless sometimes, man. You know what I'm saying? So how do we change that, right? Because of course hip-hop took a turn, right, where the sellers became the users and that whole thing, but it was still a place where there

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Wrong line of negative and positive when it comes to it. You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore? It's not even that. I just feel like, you know, I feel like negative and positive exists in life period. Sometimes people put too much on hip-hop. They got to stop. If a cat gets stuck in the tree,

all these rappers rapping about cats, getting stuck in the trees. This is why this happened. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like people blame hip hop for things that actually go in America. America has a problem with violence and all that. When hip hop was positive, I seen negativity going on. So I don't blame hip hop

for those things. Actually, I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives. You know how many jobs? Y'all wouldn't even be sitting here for hip-hop. Right. That's right. So when people like to blame hip-hop for negative things, you know, I don't look at it like that. I look at it like, we have those issues living in this country, period. I saw Robin

Roberts asked 50 about the ditty doc. She was like, is this an indictment of hip hop and something like, well hip hop got to do it. Nothing. Right, right. Yeah, see, they always dragging hip. If you've noticed that. And I think no other genre.

No, I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this. So I think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much, they need to be aware of that. How was your perspective on the streets change, perhaps? Now that you're, you know, older and just more reflective. You know, as soon as you walked in and we wanted to remind you of when you used to put hands on people. You know? I just say it like that. You did say it. No, no, I didn't. You were talking about a world star. It's nothing to do with that. I was talking about something completely different. You're the

worst. I'd be on world. What was your question? I am. How was your perspective when the streets changed? Oh, when you say streets change, what you mean, though? Just being, just being an older person can reflect on, you know, how things used to be. Things used to glorify. That's the fact. That's a fact. Yeah. I respect it, man. I respect and I love grope. I think it's very important. I embrace it. I'm all about positivity, bro, you know what I'm saying? If you look at me, you know what, you see me like NB said, I got my history, but when they really put the light on me, I said, what, black love? Something positive, man. I don't wear that the street shit on my sleeve. I don't need to. You know what I'm saying? I always showcase my talent, you know what I mean? And something positive about uplifting our people. So if you could speak to

these young men who idolized the street life, what would you tell them about the real cost I would say don't do it It's not worth it You know what I'm saying But I always tell my young Brothers who I see in the street And I always try to point this out to them You know look at you look around at your crew

And I got to be honest with them All y'all are not going to make it out You know how many You know how many individuals I grow with When I was younger they're not here no more I'm sure you got Homies like that They literally lost their lives

And at the time when y'all was together Y'all was hanging out Y'all was running in the street You never thought that they would be gone. So I always tell them, you look around, one of y'all or two or maybe three of y'all not going to make it. It might be you. So

if you think that's worth it, continue in the street, but it's not worth it, bro. So, you know, get out of that. You mentioned Black Love earlier. I know Clarissa's here as well, but I wanted to go back to that time period. I wanted to go back to that time period because I feel like for

the longest time prior to your relationship, now you and Remy were like the emblem of like Black love, positivity, and then everything just switched publicly. And I know you talk about even in hip hop, like how things are thrown on hip hop and thrown on us negatively. When that

moment was happening publicly with you and Remy, what was Papu's feeling because it was so positive for so long and it kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as everything started to, you know, happen online? It was corny. It was corny. It was corny. It's always corny to do social media. Who wants

that? Who wants to be a part of the circus? So I just felt like it was corny. You got a tack for black love early on. Wow. Somebody said it. No, you did. No, we used to have conversations about what love and why we show love and we had behind the scenes conversation, but you got attack

for it. When you got attack for it, why did you think you got attack for showing and expressing love to the individual you were with? Like, why do you think that happened and why did you keep going? It's a couple of different things. So initially when she became incarcerated, they was killing me. He was like, yo, he's an idiot, he's dumb, all this bullshit, right?

I ain't care, though, because that was my real life at the time. And then as it progressed, one time double Excel had reached out to me, and it was like, yo, we want to follow you one day and document your journey, like, what's going on with you? And they followed me to the supermarket. I went and got groceries for her, you know what I'm saying? Then I went on the visit, brought the groceries. They set on a visit with me, and they put out that article. When they put out that article, it kind of changed.

The outlook kind of changed for a high second. Everybody was like, wow, they couldn't believe it. And it was cool. I kept going. But what you kind of talk about is we did love and hip hop. That's how you think the change happened? Yeah. Well, you had mixed.

It was mixed. You know what I'm saying? Like the women were embracing it. But I go through the tow booth and I go get to do my money because they ain't have the easy pass back. Right. And he'd be like, oh, man, you're fucking on my household, man. My woman told my. By being a good man?

Yeah. My woman told me, I need to be more like you. It's your change. The dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they always embraced it. And then you did your own spin-off, the Black Love Spinoff, which you guys had more creative control over at the time, right? Yeah. So if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality TV, why was it important for you to do that, like, second installment? Because, you know, the opportunity was there to show more of us.

You know, when you're on loving hip hop, you just got, like, a segment. You know what I'm saying? So it was just that. And people wanted to see more of us at that time. So he was like, all, cool, let's do it. I think we did the holiday special first, and then, it went from there. But going back to what you were saying earlier, like, when I first shot it, I was like, oh, they're about to kill me, man. When they come out of it, because people never saw that side of me, you know what I'm saying?

But it was surprisingly people embraced it. I think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down, drinks getting thrown on each other and just the bad stigma on our relationships, you know what I'm saying? Do you ever regret it at all, putting that much of your life on camera? I don't. I don't regret it at all because it was real. It wasn't like, nothing was rehearsed, nothing was scripted. People just saw what was going on at that time. But, you know, the thing with it is like, I get it.

But now people are so dialed into your life. Yeah. So now there is no moment where it's like, hold on, let me figure this out. Because now they're like, nah, you show me this. You show me the baby. You show me the one-year-old party. You show me the dance. You show me this.

I love that. But then when it's like, when you say, you know what I need to take a break, they're like, nah, you can't. No, no, no. I love it. I'll tell you why. See, this is what happens with celebrities. And I kind of said this before when it's all good, right? When y'all buying entire career, you're watching the TV show, y'all come into the performances, the appearances, the walkthroughs. I bring you in the room when my daughter is born. You come to the wedding. You see everything, right? Okay. And then soon as something happened with these celebrities, what's the first thing they say, y'all don't know me like that. I want my space. Y'all don't know what's going on in my life. correct so I'm glad that I gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me you guys had been there all along y'all seen this shit so that's all now there was one thing that came

out of that and you said you wrote 90% of remi's rap including conceited was that true no comment man you know what I'm saying I wish her the best and that's that's what I'm saying like I said earlier I never wanted to be a part of that but sometimes your hand is forced You know what I'm saying You gotta do what you gotta do But I wish you the best man You know what I mean I got an amazing best friend

In my life right now And we're happy man Somebody said you know That was a pressing me It was a hard time Because we know y'all Yeah You know what I mean

So it's like No but y'all know us But sometimes people pretend Like they don't know us That's when you get on my nerves I think for most people It's like What happened like

I mean Like I said Y'all was there Every step of the way Y'all was there When I was there To the prison y'all seen me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom it was it was in the newspapers

you know what I'm saying y'all seen everything how can I come to y'all and say something didn't happen y'all got to stop man like come on so that's I think during that time I well I know for myself I just wanted y'all to fix it because I've known y'all so long and not fix the relationship just the friendship the parents it just fixed that part that's what that's that takes time like it's it's a divorce it's not something that just happens overnight you know what I'm saying but people life don't stop because of that you know what I mean it's papers it's time it's all this stuff that got to happen but at the end of the day we move forward with our lives like I said I wish you the best um we got some great amazing things going on like I said it's my best friend right here man

we live in our life we've been together over a year and a half now it'd be two years next year in September we at the end of the year some of this stuff is just so old you know it's so old to talk about to bring up to keep harping on it it's like they're separated. She got somebody, too. Like, don't act like it's just over here. Like, she's happy, we're happy, and that's it. Like, I don't know what the-

Is it cordial? Is it cordial? Are you just like, nah, I'm just, it is what it is? I'm always cordial, bro. I'm cordial with everybody, like, come on, bro. I'm not problematic, man. You know, y'all know this stuff, man. We've evolved.

Can I ask y'all question, man? You've evolved. Let me just go out and say, why was something happening? Y'all, like, y'all don't know people. Like, like, envy. I know Envy like cars. Envy got dogs. He's a DJ.

He's from Queens. So when somebody come over here and say, I saw Envy doing X, Y, I've been watching this for 20-something years. I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things they can't put on your jacket. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know, he speaks about mental health.

You know what I mean? He's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. If I've been watching this man 15 years, like certain things on my hair, Charlemagne did that, man. A rap of a n'n't tell me a, a guy who's up here rapping

and Charlamagne told him to his face you whack I'm gonna say he did that you can't hold let me finish you can't just come with some left field that I've never heard 20 years of me following this man career since he was on Wendy Williams

nah that don't go with him rumor Papu's punching somebody in the face I believe it because I've seen it before why you keep doing that I'm saying I've seen it I'm seeing it! I don't believe it God Dave Pabuz like to your point

and Timber I know you mentioned And, like, it's old. But I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you. And then when everything happened, there's claims of, like, you cheating and, like, all these things. But that's what I'm saying. Like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know them. All these years incarcerated, all this, I never been on my name ever.

You can't just ask. Yeah, I was out here with me. I was coming to the old school. That is a good point that Pat make it because all of them years she was incarcerated, we never heard of Pat. All of a sudden. All of a sudden. All of a sudden. sudden, boom, out of nowhere.

A asteroid hit. Like, come on, man. So that didn't happen, because she said she had, like, got into it with somebody over some allegations. Like I said, man, I wish you're the best, man. Me speaking about that, it goes into, like, a hole and I ain't here to do that, you know what I mean? Clarissa, I know on your side of it, like, people always, like, push back because it's like, he's still married

and he's this, and you're like, they're separated, we're happy. For you, trying to move forward in this new relationship, like, how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you? I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced It's the craziest thing to me like everything The most thing that happens in life People act like we don't we don't understand is breakups and relationships You can never you never gonna break up with your family because they're your blood

You gotta deal with them your mama your daddy your crazy sister your outrageous cousin But when it comes to a relationship That breaks up all the time Marriage is in all the time Divorces happen I don't know why it's like Oh divorce is it's impossible when they don't When it's divorce filed public

whatever the heck that was it's like and we're together all the time every single day Ebony awards fights walkouts

at home cooking like it's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for them I feel like

I will say this though I will say this because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody I will say this none of that is true man

I come from a big family like if you If you really follow me and you're not just around for the gossip, you see my daughter, you see my sisters, you see my mother, you see so many beautiful women in my life

who love me to death. I mean, not only because I was there for them when they need me, I fought all their battles. I don't just do it for the person that I'm with. I do this for my children. Like, I don't, I've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends

to protect them. I'm being honest. I'm a protector, bro, and the provider. So anything outside of that, it doesn't go. But I think the main thing It doesn't add up

When the fans follow your life And like you said We don't know what goes on We only know what we see And then all of a sudden On Tuesday We start seeing These these tweets

And these Instagram posts We're like what But that's not how it happened though See that's another But that's what they've seen I know But you said it earlier right You said yo

Pat point hands on somebody right You're seeing all of this Happen right in front of your face Yeah and you're Nothing of this was said When that's all this was going on See that y'all making me getting into this shit

I don't want to do it. I think she's trying to figure out clarity because there's like so many questions because it's like one day literally you just wake up and then boom we're in the chat. But that's not what happened though. I don't know why y'all starting it from there. Okay, so let's back up because what you're referring to is the allegations that she was cheating. I don't even want to, like I said, I wish her the best. I got nothing bad to say about her.

Everybody knows that before I came into the picture, now it was just these two in the picture. Y'all know where it started. I had nothing to do with anything. as far as in when me and him got together he was already separated so y'all know what happened before that so but i got the green i beat rappers

up for gono it's not saying who shake thee mass it's Halloween Calgary and available all digital platforms out now man get bars on wheels and drink the safe hip hop on YouTube so Amy you're trying to tell me that

when those when the day she referring to you turn to me that's the first day you heard about this you ain't see oh no hold on Hold on a second. You ain't see everything that was going on for a whole year before that? The battle.

I'm going to tell you why. Why y'all only want to start? I was trying and you said you didn't want to go there. That's what I was trying to get to. It's very confusing because I didn't even know her with all that was going on. No, before Clarissa was in the picture, you hear rumors,

but then when you look at your life, you don't see any, you don't see any turbulence. So it's not like you see anything or you hear anything. You know, from the public, you heard things. I get it. I get it. You held it down.

Even when I heard rumors, I would reach out to Joe just checking on and making sure just checking them a good he was like bro they're good so I didn't hear it to

but so you know with rumors because they say rumors all the time I mean the rumors shal of man gay we know he ain't well I don't know

but there's rumors all the time it's so it's like when you didn't you didn't confirm a deny I'm like all right cool and then when that day

happened with all the tweets it still was like but before the tweets y'all we heard that Pat put hands on the guy in the battle route

we heard that yes and even that I tried to figure that I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things and no one would comment on

it. So we can't, it's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you like, okay, so what was before that? Because there were allegations that she was dealing with the Black, easy, the Black Captain God, prior to us seeing them together, whatever the situation is now with them. Was that what was happening? I mean,

you said it yourself. You heard that you saw allegations. You know what I'm saying? I'm not here to bash up, man. I don't say anything about it. And he's not the type to talk. Papp don't do a lot of talking. Like, I got a way bigger mouth to him. Okay. I mean, like, Paul, no deal. whatever you want to say whatever you want to put it

but he's not like that like he's he's really like about like family and friendship and fixing things like he's he's really about that you know what I'm saying

like us as women well women yeah we will tell it all because I love the truth you know what I'm saying I put the truth out there and the thing is like when like

come to the truth is like he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff private you know what I'm saying and respect this stuff and he's always going to be like that you know what I'm saying

he's not ever going to change even now like this whole conversation it's like y'all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this because he's moved so forward we're like just so happy and he just whatever happened

we all know that you go through things through it we all have been through a breakup before you may not have been through a divorce but you've been through a breakup been with my for a long time you got to go through your own stuff he's healed he's moved on and he's just in a better place

so it's just like with that when people put stuff on your name like oh you want to defend it but even him he don't even want to defend it because he like he is who he is yeah I mean like I said who wants to be a part of the circus man yeah nobody I'm gonna be a part of circus when you ever saw us doing that never happened before

I had a movie coming out I definitely didn't want to be a part of it my movie dropped just a couple days on Christmas Christmas day I was like well oh that was that was that was really I'm like oh my I was losing my mind. I'm like, what's going on here? So even me, I'm like,

let me just get far away from this as possible, but I'm still with him. You know what I'm saying? So, I hear Clarissa like promote that movie. Now I'm trying to promote that movie. But it's like, I'm in a different tax bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie. My movie did well.

It's still doing well. It's upon prime video you haven't seen it, the firing side, but I don't want my name connected to stuff like that. I never have. Before this thing with him, You never seen, you might see me into a couple of beefs online with a couple of fighters and stuff like that. But you never seen nothing about like relationship, being with a dude who got somebody. You never seen that.

I'm my type of woman. If a man with me, he with me, I don't do second place. I never have. I got two Olympic gold medals, 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to another woman for it? Like, what do I look like? You know what I'm saying? So that's my thing of like.

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For real? Wow. I didn't know that. Oh, that's love. They're the guy, Pat. He's from London. I didn't know that. I told him I was going to let him rap for you.

Oh, world. While you was here. Okay. I want to bring him in. La Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rapped and it changed his trajectory. And so a lot of people see that now. So I'm like, yo, introduce yourself.

Let's go people. I'm Ermean from London store. Say what's up to Papp. Say what's up to Clarissa. We've known Armein a long time. And he's a rapper. His records are starting to take off. He showed me his videos and all that other stuff.

And we're going to let him... Take a deep breath, my name. Okay. That's love. You got the beat. What was the other dude that came up here? One guy signed. It was Josh and...

It was Josh and Don Tollivan. Don Tolliver. We used to come up here all the time. Yeah, yeah. Josh and Don Talov. Alright, let's go. No pressure. You can turn it up?

You want your headphones? No, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Yo, it all started with a dream. I left home at 17. I come from South London, baby. You don't see that on a screen.

They used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve. I used to tell myself that's something that I won't believe. When it came from my family, it really hurt me deep. So I locked myself inside a bedroom. cry before I sleep told them that I want to be what I want to be but they rather me inside a cell or see the boy deceased lost both grandmas in six months why they leave when that girl brought my heart I was crying on my knees but that's karma because I done the same to mum and now I see life balancing out life and

really it's a beast so I'm sorry mummy because I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets ain't want me no degree imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me crazy how I talk about myself like it's so casually cause my self-esteem is low my trauma's got so mad for me couldn't figure out a path to take I found it gradually last time a girl she said she loved me I said actually love it's satisfactory I'm closer to insanity every day a battle I just want to see my family but I can't cry I chose it's life so I have a seat everybody's talking about me in the street okay all right all right now

What did you think, Pat? Nah, he did his thing, man. That was tough, man. Yeah, yeah. And where you f*** in Morocco, right? Morocco, isn't it? That's where my parents are from, but he moved to London, and that's where I was born.

I moved to Morocco when I was 17. Okay, bro. Okay, brof. Yeah, brov, that's what you called now, bro? He's been coming to a breakfast club, I would say, for what? A long time. Where can they follow you in the last of years? Me and 22 on the socials,

Spotify, you can catch me everywhere. I've got a little song that's doing some numbers right now, so keep adding to it. I appreciate it. Might be one record's next artist. Yeah, nah, definitely sounds tough. I love to hear some of your music, man. I appreciate you for real, man.

And you used to do that, Pat. That's the fact. I used to do the same thing you was doing. I kind of clocked it. You used to be outside on K Slate. That's right, man. So I know what it's like me. When you got that hung on, you just like,

yo, I want to get on, man. You got to do it yourself. Bars on wheels out right now. Well, it's the Breakfast Club, Papoos. Yeah, thanks for having me. Now, you got a positive note? Positive note is simply this. And it's simple.

Our character is what we do. do when we think no one is looking. Always remember that. Have a blessed day. Breakfast club, bitches. You don't finish or y'all's done? Boat, woke up. Wake you up.

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