The Breakfast Club - The Breakfast Club BEST OF - Patti Labelle, Kirk Franklin And Pastor Jamal Bryant Interview

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:52 Good morning, USA. Say, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, oh, yo, yo, yo, so, uh, yes, man, salute to everybody out there listening to us right now. Uh, happy to be here, thankful. I haven't, I haven't done it in a few days, so I forgot what I be saying, what I'd be saying. Oh, I'm happy to be here to serve our beautiful listeners or something like that. I can't remember exactly what I say, but I am truly happy to be here to serve our beautiful listeners. but this is what happens when you work on your day off. That's right.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And that's what we're doing on Christmas Eve. That's right. We were working on our day off. We actually went to Patty LaBelle's house, Miss Patty LaBelle. And that's not really work, you know what I'm saying? Because Patty LaBelle is Miss Patty LaBelle is absolute family. We adore her. And, you know, when she asks us to pull up, you know, to come have breakfast,
Starting point is 00:03:42 what she does from time to time, you got to do it. What, I mean, come on. Absolutely. She opens up her house to us. And, I mean, she cooks yesterday. well this morning she'll be cooking fried chicken and waffles so I'm excited about that and we just have great conversation
Starting point is 00:03:56 and I'm her sous chef I'm always her sous chef when I'm there but yeah I just like being around Patty man Patty is a spirit like Patty is not a she's not a person that you meet she's a spirit that you experience and I just love I just love being around Miss LaBelle
Starting point is 00:04:11 that's right and also we're gonna be kicking it with Kirk Franklin today where was Kirk at I ain't see Kirk now this is a throwback this Kirk is a throwback this Kirk is a throwback okay okay okay I got you I was like damn I ain't see no Kirk over the holidays season, huh? I missed that one. So we're going to get in both those interviews
Starting point is 00:04:25 on in a little bit, so don't go anywhere. You guys be safe out there on this Christmas season. If you're traveling, just be safe on the roads. All right? It's the breakfast club. Good morning. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed. I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk. I hate the way that you dress.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Everything with me is blessed. Call up now. 800-585-105.1. Not just me. I'm with the coach of feeling. Hello, who's this? My name is Eric from the phone. Hey, from the bra. Get it off your chest.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Yeah, I'm just tired of doing politics. I'm just tired of all of it, man. Let's get dumb for the month, man. Huh? I said, let's get dumb for the month. I'm with you. Let's just drink coquito and get high and just forget about everything for the Telltale January 1st.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I'm serious. Like, the politics is so real, man, that it's messing up the holiday season. Like, the holidays don't even feel like the holidays with so much that's going on in the world. Damn. That's silly. Thank you, brother.
Starting point is 00:05:21 All right, y'all have a good one. You too. Hello, who's this? Good morning, y'all. This is Chi from Connecticut. What's up to Connecticut? I just wanted to say, shout out to all of the parents that got their kids' things throughout the years
Starting point is 00:05:35 that were blessed to get their kids' things throughout the years so that this struggling Christmas season, we don't have to come out of pocket for damn there anything. Like, my kids, I asked them yesterday. I said, what y'all want for Christmas? They was like we have everything. And I said, you know what I ain't supposed to be cool That's amazing
Starting point is 00:05:54 It's good when your kids It's beautiful when your kids know you broke You know it is You're right When it's okay They understand They get it At this point
Starting point is 00:06:05 They have more money than me In their little sandwich bags And they drawers They dress the drawers Like they, yeah Well I love your energy though You don't sound down You don't sound down
Starting point is 00:06:15 You know what I mean I love your energy You know what you're going to do What you're going to do about it Yeah So they moves on The year moves on, and money comes and goes. And you got life.
Starting point is 00:06:25 That's right. And you got life and you got good health. Like, that's the most important thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I told you all the last time I was on, like, when it comes down to my mental health, remember, I was telling you all I go to counseling. And that was one of the biggest things I was in counseling for.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Financial stress is just terrible. Like, it wears on the body. So, nope, you can't worry about stuff like that. That's right. Hello, who's this? What's going on? It's the boiler hero. Boiler Hero.
Starting point is 00:06:53 What's up? Get off your chest. Listen, man, it's cold as hell outside. I just want everybody to know. The Boiler Hero got them. I'm making sure New York City is staying warm. You can check me out on my YouTube channel, Boiler Heroes.
Starting point is 00:07:06 You can see me give the heat to the city. Work on boilers? I'm a boiler man. So what does that mean? That means I go to buildings in New York City, and I fix their boilers, and I give people heat and hot water. You can check me out on YouTube. Boiler Heroes, Instagram, Boilin' Heroes.
Starting point is 00:07:23 I'm the only Boiler Man in the world with the YouTube channel. I like your enthusiasm, brother. I like people that take their job serious, man. I like that. I love what I do, man. I'm out here just saving 24-7. So if anybody needs heat, just hit the boy, and I'm outside flying to you. So, listen, Boil-Man, did you go to trade school?
Starting point is 00:07:42 How did you become a boiler man? I'm a second-generation boiling man. Okay. So my uncle's a boiler man, and he put me on. And then I went to school because I was intrigued. by the information because I wanted to get the certification to make sure nobody had to, you know, ask me question, but are you
Starting point is 00:07:57 certified? Yes, I am. You know what I'm saying? What's that paper and then benefits like? It's all good. I got the best the best insurance in New York City. Okay. That's what it is. Tell people the most important thing. I always tell people they got to change their filters. When they don't change their filter
Starting point is 00:08:13 and that stuff get backed up, boil us out. That's a truth. That's a truth. But I remember, I call like, I think like two years ago when I first started my YouTube channel and you told me how your crib, the lower water caught off got broken and you had sent the man to go fix it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I got, all my stuff is, I got a good boiler man now, but the other day my on my daughter's crib, she didn't change the filter. I should have changed the filter for my daughter, but she didn't change the filter. You can do that. Yes, that's simple. You could do that, envy. But yeah, I tell everybody, change the filter. That's the most important thing. Season to season, change the filter.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Facts. I appreciate y'all. Boyling heroes. Tap there. All right, brother. Have a good one. Thank you. Hello. Who's there? Hey, what's up, man? My name, Romeo from North Carolina, bro. What's up, Romeo?
Starting point is 00:08:55 How you doing, my brother? I'm all right, man. I want to speak my mind this morning, but I got fired for no reason because I guess my boss decided to take a younger guy's advice and he lied on me and said I was in a bathroom of the apartment store smoking a box of cigarette. A whole box guy? He was stressed.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Hey, how you smoke a whole box of cigarettes? I don't even smoke, though, Charlie. I believe you, because smoking is nasty. Smoking is disgusting. If you were smoking some weed or something, that's a different story. But just a cigarette? Ugh, I'm with you. Right, man.
Starting point is 00:09:27 They didn't check the cameras or none, man. They just let me go, man. I got two kids, bro. I mean, you might have to go to human resources. If they got a human resource department, and you might have to go see an attorney, brother. Okay. Is there any way I can plug in my cash shop?
Starting point is 00:09:39 But you just got fired. Your times ain't that hard now. You just got fired when? About two weeks ago. Oh, okay. All right. Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:09:47 All right. My cash shop, dollar sign, G-U-A-P-O. F-L-Y. Now, I'm going to tell you something, though. People usually put money in cash apps for very compelling stories. I just got fired story for, you know, because you smoking cigarettes, that's not compelling in no way, shape, or form. It's a lot of people that just lost their job, brother, over the last couple of weeks.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Yeah, I'm sorry to hear, but don't you got another check coming still? They came already in two weeks up. You probably just got it. Well, enjoy the holidays the best you can, my brother, man. Sorry, brother. I appreciate it, man. Much love. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Get it off your chest, 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent, call us up right now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake up, wake up. Wake your ass. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you are mad or blessed.
Starting point is 00:10:30 We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Hey, Jamie. Hey, Jamie. Hey, Jamie, what's up? Get it off your chest. Hey, how you doing? I just wanted to get on here.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Excuse me, I might be a little nervous. I ain't ever called the radio station before. But I just want to sing a little song for y'all real quick. All right. Go ahead, brother. And it's my birthday. Oh, happy birthday. Happy birthday.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Day. You from Baltimore? Thank you. Thank you, huh? Yeah, you're from Baltimore. I'm definitely from Baltimore. That's that ain't it. You already know. What's up? What's up, dummy? No, you can't say that if you're not from there. Don't. Don't, don't, go here.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Go ahead. Say something for us, so. All, all right. There's so many things I've got to tell you, but I'm afraid. I don't know how Because there's a possibility That you look at me differently love
Starting point is 00:11:28 Ever since that first moment I spoke your name From in all I knew That by you Being in my life That means what has tough The change is love Jesus.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Okay, shoddy. All right, what else you do? Oh, okay. Your name in vain. What else you do, bro? I said, I'm trying to finish the hook, Nick. I'm sorry. Those are with things and you sometimes don't want to stray.
Starting point is 00:12:05 All right. What else you do, bro? You need to be saying trade school. You know, I need to code. Right. I need, I need, I need. Hey, yo, stop playing my man. You need to find something else to do.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Jackie, you have a great one, bro. Like, what else you do besides sing? Thank you for real. In school, I play ball for real in college, so now I ain't in college right now. I got a little girl for real, so. Oh, okay. You don't do nothing. He said he played ball in school and he sing.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Yo, stop playing. Yeah, I'm 23. I'm in Florida now. I'm from Baltimore, Virginia. But now I'm in Florida. What you're doing in Florida? Just killing, you know. You know.
Starting point is 00:12:47 No job. You call me. Hey, yo, anytime. You say, just telling you know. Ain't no such thing as a regular job, brother. You got a job. That's a good thing. You're working at the Marriott.
Starting point is 00:12:57 You're making a living, man. For sure. I appreciate it. I want to all to see me out there. Y'all going to see me, man. Yes, I'm wishing the best for you, but. Absolutely, brother. God bless you, man.
Starting point is 00:13:08 All right. Get it off your chest. 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Happy holidays. From your friendly neighborhood bad guy.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Charlamagne the guy. Is the season to be petty. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Morning everybody, it's D.J.N.V. Jess Salarious. Sholomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. Loislerosa is here. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed.
Starting point is 00:13:34 We have pasted. Jamo O'Brien. Welcome, brother. Thank you, sir. Good to be with you all. How you feeling this morning? Phil Gordon. Let's talk about this, the 40-day fast of target. Yes. And this is something that you're trying to put into play. And why?
Starting point is 00:13:46 I'm not trying you are putting in No, no, yeah. So people are asking why did we pick Target when Walmart out of order McDonald's is out of order, John Deere's out of order, Bank of America's out of order Amazon. Amazon is out of order is we wanted to go
Starting point is 00:14:04 The African proverb says if you want to eat an elephant do one piece at a time so we pick Target first for several reasons. Number one Target is headquartered in the same city George Floyd was killed. When George Floyd was killed, Target came out, made an announcement that they're going to invest $2 billion in the black business. Two billion, drumroll, and it starts December of 2025. When Trump made the announcement January of 2025, they dishonored that commitment. So we wanted
Starting point is 00:14:38 to hold them accountable because when they made the pledge, they had nothing to do with DEI. Secondly, I am embarrassed breakfast club to say to you Negroes spend $12 million a day in Target and I don't know any black business that amasses that much money in any singular day
Starting point is 00:14:58 Is it 12 million a day? A day Number three Target is on 27 college campuses and not one HBCU Number four outside of the federal government Target is the largest
Starting point is 00:15:13 employer of black people. There are 400,000 black people on payroll and don't honor us. So if we're giving that kind of money, that much human capital, and to not honor us, I think is dismally disrespected. And because they're publicly traded, we wanted to see what will happen in those 40 days that shows the data. This is the impact when black people walk away and to share with those
Starting point is 00:15:39 share crops. So it will not just be 40 days, but every movement has to have a benchmark, has got to have a strategy, and you've got to have some data. Why are you calling it a fast and not a boycott? Yeah, I called it a fast because this was a call to the black church to become active. Something happened silently
Starting point is 00:15:59 that scholars and historians are going to have to pay attention to the rise of black lives matter. Charlemagne was the very first movement of civil rights for black people that was not birthed out of the church. The very first civil rights movement that happened that didn't have a religious leader at the front.
Starting point is 00:16:21 And so the black church is going backwards. This is the largest demographic of black people since we've been in America who don't go to church at all, who don't subscribe to organized religion. We're at 28%. The largest amount of black people who self-identify as atheists,
Starting point is 00:16:40 who say they don't believe in God, I don't believe in nothing. So this was a call specifically for black Christians to show the younger generation. Our head is not in the sand. We're a part of it, but we're aligning it with prayer. That those 40 days is the high holy season
Starting point is 00:16:57 for the Christian community. We're praying because this is a spiritual warfare that we're under with J.D. Vance and Donald Trump. With all of the things that are happening with these executive orders, marching is good, protesting as necessary, petitions are important, but if we don't bring a spiritual grounding to it, I think that we're going to miss it. During the Montgomery bus boycott, that lasts 381 days, what nobody talks about is for 381 days every night they went back to the church for prayer. So I think that in the movement, you've got to have a faith entity intertwined in it in order for you to move forward.
Starting point is 00:17:36 What do you say to some of the people that have black products in Target, that they say that, you know, because of this boycott, if a boycott happens, and people are stopping to go to Target that is going to affect their products even more. I know we had the co-founders of Rucker Roots on the Breakfast Club. We had the lit bar. And they were saying that if people don't come into the store,
Starting point is 00:17:55 which Target is their hugest manufacturer, they're hugest buyers. So, what happens to those products? Number one, the lit bar and all of those entities understand a new thing out called Drop Ship. You don't have to go in a physical store to help them.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Because of that, in foresight, we partner with the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce. So every person that goes to Targetfast.org, within an hour, I send you a digital directory of 300,000 black businesses across the country. So we don't want those businesses to be adversely impacted. We want people to support them, but do it online. I can support the lip bar and not go into Target to do it. I can go online to do it. And so I think that as innovative and creative people, as black people are, let's do it online. We do everything else online.
Starting point is 00:18:47 So let's support them. And the 1,000 black vendors who are placed in Target, we're going to prominently place on the website so that you'll be able to find them quickly without any polls. Two things to what you're saying. So the first thing, when they were up here, they talked about the inventory and just how much money they have to put ahead to be in these stores that comes out of their own pockets that they will lose out on. if people do not, if they're not supporting these, like, companies or whatever. So even if you're buying it from their website, because they're already in contract for this amount of inventory with allotted to target, they lose, they don't profit on that now. Yeah, well, that money has already been spent.
Starting point is 00:19:23 A movement comes with inconvenience. It came a, that same argument happened in the Montgomery bus boycott. The question was asked, what do we do for the bus mechanics who are all black? So what they did is they pulled all of those bus mechanics. out of Montgomery and set up garages at the churches. When nobody is talking about is four mechanic shops came out of it. So I understand that it's an inconvenience. I know we got to go a different route.
Starting point is 00:19:51 But I would then say, that's up the ante. It's a business principle. Let's buy more to cover what is that loss. Companies take losses all the time. But a group of misguided preachers went into Target in Detroit and said, let's just buy black inventory and come out. you're still supporting target. So I think that we've got to come away,
Starting point is 00:20:12 even if we got to raise the price in order to make the balance, let's do it. One of the things that black people do wrong, whenever it is we're supporting black business, we always want a discount. Let's pay full price and support them. Let's not just do it with lip service, but let's do it through the investment.
Starting point is 00:20:31 The women from Rucker Roots, I own Jameson and Ellen Sellers, talked about how even in Walmart's, majority of their clientele that they make a large amount of their money off of on those products, they don't have the access to the dot com. So being able to walk in, like, it's just different in some of the lower rural areas. So being able to walk into a Walmart or a target helps them as far as inventory and creates access for those people. What about that?
Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah, I think that we've got to ask ourselves what is the principle and is the principle more important than the profit. You've got a whole lot of churches who have space that is underutilized and, underuse. The fact that in 2025, we don't have a minority-owned retail space to direct people on. It says that we got to re-evaluate how we do
Starting point is 00:21:18 business. So going into Target to buy whatever this product is to say, hey, forget that they don't honor us, forget that they've disrespected to George Floyd family, forget that they are only allowing black people on entry-level positions. Let's do it for lipstick.
Starting point is 00:21:34 I think that we're losing the larger conversation. I want to see the sisters win. I want to see them do overwhelmingly well, but I think that we've got to get into a room and figure out how do we make it more accessible for those in rural areas. I don't think that the answer is to keep shooting ourselves in the foot and then ask for a cast. Well, what we ever get there, Pastor, like, you know, we want to get there, right? When we ever own our own target slash Walmart, what we ever own our own car manufacturer, Will we ever own our own so we can rely on it? It just seems like we're far stretched from that.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Yeah, so one of the things that we're asking for Target to do and for all of the demands that we're asking of Target, please go to Targetfast.org. I'm asking Target to partner with 10 HBCUs to show our businesses how to scale up and to go into the retail space. Reven Shopton is one of my mentors. But in the history of black people,
Starting point is 00:22:31 we have never marched black people into a white business to say spend money here. So we got to figure out how it is that we really reroute and redirect so that we can create an ecosystem for us to be able to do. I think that is possible, but there's a plan that has to be afoot in order to make it done. I saw you say that Target has been trying to reach out to you. Yes. But you're you, I'm going to talk to no diversity officer. You may not have a job next week. you reached out during Black History Month.
Starting point is 00:23:03 I don't know if you're going to make it to St. Patrick's Day. I need somebody who got some job security and got some influence to make a decision. I think this generation don't want symbolic wins. They want substantive strides. And if you're just doing there to say we met, we talked, all the street credibility is gone. I need somebody who can make a decision.
Starting point is 00:23:25 And you've got to ask, Envy, what's in the mind of a CEO? that can lose $12 million a day and say, I'm not me. So the person that reached out to you felt had no influence. Yeah, not enough influence. Gotcha. Yeah, so you're going to send the black people out to talk to the black people.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Black guy, go talk to the black people about. Yeah, yeah, settle them down. Got you. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I need to talk to the CEO or I need to talk to somebody who was on that board of target or who can really help me understand where you are. And if you all are being punked by J.D. Vance and Trump,
Starting point is 00:23:57 tell me that, and let's figure out how we can walk alongside each other. But we know that's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. But tell me that. When you, so I know that in talking about meeting, eventually y'all want to have a conversation
Starting point is 00:24:10 or there is something scheduled, right? You guys will be meeting June 12th in Minneapolis? That's when their stockholders meeting is. Oh, their shareholders meeting. Yes, so we are planning on going there. I'm hoping that we have resolved by then. That's what I was getting to.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Yes. We can't wait till June. But June 12th, and there now It's an underground murmur that they don't even want to do an in-person she holds me. They want to do it by Zoom. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.
Starting point is 00:24:48 We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight. and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all.
Starting point is 00:25:21 It doesn't matter how much I fight. It doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to what happened in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut. I think what makes Gentleman's Cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful finished product. With every sip, you get a little something different.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Visit Gentleman's Cut Bourbon.com or your nearest total one. or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older. Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, Boone County, Kentucky. For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit gentlemen's cuthuburn.com. Please enjoy responsibly. Hi, Dr. Laurie Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly, a non-profit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. And it's not just the happiness lab.
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Starting point is 00:27:27 I'm Mike De La Rocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it. And, you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as people just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts.
Starting point is 00:27:55 You can't even find your gifts unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to sacred lessons as part of the Maikultura Podcast Network,
Starting point is 00:28:12 available on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Radhdi Dvlukaya, and I am the host of a really good cry podcast. This week, I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the crappy childhood fairy, a creator, teacher, and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies.
Starting point is 00:28:43 And Anna opens up about her own story, what helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw on my teeth. I was unconscious.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait, they could kill me and I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this, and I did. Listen to a really good cry on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You guys are sure.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Yes. But that's why it's important for you to have the data to show how this has been impacted, how much money you've lost in the stock, and what is at stake. So we wanted to take all of that to the shareholders meeting June 12th. My last question for you, where are you at now, numbers-wise? Because I know you were looking to get 100,000 people by this Wednesday to 5th when it starts. in the USA. We have 10010,000 people have come. And we did it before we ever got to the breakfast club. So now, y'all, we got to get to 150. We got to get to 150 because numbers
Starting point is 00:29:54 is power. It was important for me to have tangible evidence of how many people are standing behind us that is not just a post. It's not just likes and shares. But 100,000 people, I can press the button and send an email to say, hey, we outside and Target. Hey, we in Cincinnati so that the people at Target know that we mean business that is not just symbolism, but there's substance behind it. How can people get behind you? Go to targetfast.org. It's just one word. There you'll see what is our list of demands. When it is that you sign up for Target Fast, I'm going to send you a digital
Starting point is 00:30:32 directory to those 300,000 businesses. And even for those of you who don't go to church or watch online, I'm going to send you a daily prayer devotional so that you can stay focus, no pun intended, so you can stay on Target for what it is that we're trying to get done. All right, well, we appreciate you for joining us this morning. Again, that's Targetfast.org. Thank you so much, brother.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Man, thank you. And when y'all come to Atlanta, I'm coming through. I ain't even got a ticket. I'm coming. Well, yeah, he came, Patrick's pop up to my Black Effect Podcast Festival. I'm coming this year. I want to come to New Birth, man. You got to come.
Starting point is 00:31:04 I want to come one Sunday and check it up. Yeah, you got to come. Absolutely. It's Rumenett across. Hey, let me say this to you. I'm from Baltimore. Do you know the first place I ever had craps? Charleston, South Carolina.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Monk's Corner. Monk's Corner. Monks Corner, AME Church, right down. Pastor James Blake, just back in the 80s. All right, okay. It was the first place that I ever had craps. My family was from Georgetown, South Carolina. Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:26 So we used to come down there every summer. But Baltimore, they still... How was the first time you had crabs and you're from Baltimore? I know. Was they better than Baltimore? No, never. Never. Let's not go too far. I was not going to draw it up.
Starting point is 00:31:36 I was just doing trauma bonding with Charlotte, no. No. No, Baltimore was the home. crazy. My crowd ain't no trauma. It's trauma that I had to do it in South Carolina before I had it in Boston. It's great.
Starting point is 00:31:47 It's amazing. It's great. It's just not as good as Baltimore, but it's good. Thank you all. Pastor Jamal, Brian, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ NV.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Just hilarious. Charlemagne de Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. I thought we're supposed to be off. We are supposed to be off. Yes, Lauren La Rosa is here. Yes. That's right.
Starting point is 00:32:03 But it is Christmas Eve. And we are having Christmas Eve, I guess, breakfast. Listen, only one person can make us work on a. all holidays. That's right. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen Ms. Patty LaBelle. Hey. Hey. So this is the second time that we are here at Ms. Patty's house. Yes, indeed. Last time it was more of a Thanksgiving
Starting point is 00:32:21 feast. But this time, she's going to make breakfast and teach us how to actually cook breakfast, which Lauren needs, because Lauren needs to keep a man. First of all. Yeah, he's husky. He liked to eat, so he, yeah. Can you? Husky is. No, he is, Husky is such a bad word, okay? Don't do that to my man.
Starting point is 00:32:37 But I'd be... Do you like to eat? I'd be cooking. I be cooking. Oh, you come? What? What? I cook. Not that I doubt that you shouldn't be able to. Damn. Some people just don't do it. My grandma, you can't grow up in house and my grandmother and not cook. You got to get up at a certain time of day.
Starting point is 00:32:50 You got to cook, especially when you have people over the house. It better be good. Oh, it is. Don't just cook. No, I cook from the heart. I don't cook like you, though, Miss Patty. Oh, well. So I take a little cute.
Starting point is 00:33:02 He told me to bring some food home. Yeah. How are you feeling, first and foremost? I feel like a queen. No, do you feel like you are? Well, thank you. I just feel so blessed. And then I was just saying again to Kim, I said,
Starting point is 00:33:15 breakfast club were here again at my house. And I admire all of you guys and the lady. And I'm chosen. I know I'm chosen as my baby. We had them running around? Yeah. You get tired, though. You're just on tour.
Starting point is 00:33:31 I mean, Christmas is the holiday season where they want Miss Patty to cook. Yeah. You know, they want Miss Patty's meals. They want Miss Patty's food. Miss Patty's dinner. Miss Patty's breakfast, but you just got off tour of Miss Patty need a rest too. I'm tired. I have to tell you that.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I'm blessed and tired. But I still cook. I have to cook. Like I said, I was going to cook for Thanksgiving. I ended up cooking a lot of stuff. For Christmas, I'm going to end up cooking a lot of stuff. For New Year's, I'll be doing the same. So I'm just a professional cook who loves to cook.
Starting point is 00:34:02 And I'm not never going to say that my stuff is better than your mothers or your grandmothers. Or, you know, because I cook the way I cook. cook. And I'm no better than those ladies and gentlemen who cook also. But I'm happy to be asked to cook. Are you at the point where you're passing down recipes yet?
Starting point is 00:34:22 Are you just like, no, go buy the products? No, I pass. Okay. Yeah. But they still can't do it like I. There you go. What's your favorite meal to cook during the holidays? What's one thing that you just enjoy cooking? And what's one thing
Starting point is 00:34:36 that you don't necessarily like cooking, but everybody wants? Everybody wants my potato. salad because it's so good but I don't feel like cutting up all that stuff you know because you have to do fresh ingredients so that's what they want but I don't feel like doing it all but I do it I'm going to do it for Christmas
Starting point is 00:34:52 and macaroni instead of buying my macaroni I have to make my own macaroni because Zori wants it. Zori is my son who said Ma don't buy your own stuff go on in that kitchen and cook it so I have to make macaroni for him this Christmas. Zori's old enough to cook for himself now and just what
Starting point is 00:35:10 mom do it, though. Guess what? It's different with mom doing it. No, that boy cooks better than me. Really? Really? Oh, his chili, his food, his roast chicken, and stuff that he just does. And I happen to have a piece of it.
Starting point is 00:35:23 He only gives me a little piece, and he won't tell me what he put in it. So he's a wonderful cook. You know, we're going to have a cook off, though. So he's the one you trust with the recipes? Because I know. Oh. Because you probably passing stuff down, but everybody can't do it like you. They can't.
Starting point is 00:35:37 No, he does it. Yes, he does it better. than me so but i'm mad she said i mad talk about how being in the kitchen just what it does for you like spiritually it's so I get such a happy feeling
Starting point is 00:35:52 and I know whoever I'm cooking for when they leave they're going to ask for a takeout container and that I love more than anything for them to say I need seconds girl that just puts a smile on my face I am more of a cook than a singer
Starting point is 00:36:08 so I enjoy I enjoy, well, I enjoy both of them, but I say that I cook better than I sing sometimes. Yes. Does it make you go crazy sometimes when people notice you for different things? Like I have a 22-year-old son, and I told him I'm coming out here. And when I said your name, he didn't say the music. He said, yeah, all her stuff is all over Target. I know.
Starting point is 00:36:28 And he knows you from that type of stuff, but then my parents know you from your music and touring. Does that make you go crazy sometimes? It makes me feel great because they know me for both things. And I, you know, I just feel good all the accolades that people put on me and just say that they love this and they love that. Excuse me, guys, my voice is like diminishing. It's like low. But I like it all. You know, singing was your passion.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Singing is your passion. Cooking is your passion. Did you ever think that you could get paid off the passion of cooking? Never. I would always want to give that away. You know, you don't grow up. learning how to say this is going to cost $15 for this chicken dish. You just give it out and say, I hope you love it.
Starting point is 00:37:16 But never to get paid, but I'm blessed. Especially now with all the products in stores. Yeah, I am blessed. I mean, I'm not going to shy away from that. Because a lot of people won't buy food from people, entertainers, especially because they think entertainers are lying. Most of the time, I ain't lie. so that's why I
Starting point is 00:37:38 I love what I do we were talking to your family earlier and we were just saying man like we don't know who Uncle Ben is right not your mama we don't know who that is the people on these boxes we don't know who they are if they're even real
Starting point is 00:37:53 I know but you know me thank you so much for knowing me yeah I am so happy that people are accepting my foods and my music you know I am happy about all of that Don't keep on doing it You know, at 81 don't stop a girl
Starting point is 00:38:09 At all Did you ever think about Because you said like people don't want to buy Food sometimes from entertainers Because they don't believe it Did you ever think about like not putting you at the forefront of it Just like doing the recipes and the mixes And putting it out there
Starting point is 00:38:21 Just front of business No, I could have done that But no my face is better That's right No and that's exactly how she did Yeah and people You know when they see Oh Patty that's my girl
Starting point is 00:38:31 She has food that we're going to purchase Yeah so no I I like it this way. And you have a bunch of celebrities who, like, licensed their name, but your products always feel personal. So how involved are you in the recipes and the quality control and the business decisions? I'm totally involved in everything. Zuri, Alex, and Charles, they'll go to the people that they have to go to to see to show my food and let them taste my food.
Starting point is 00:38:58 But before that happens, I have to taste it. So sometimes we go back, like, 10 times making the sweet potato pies, to make sure the recipe is right. So I'm totally involved. If there's no Patty in the decision, there's no food. You know, Ms. Patty, I wanted to ask, you know, for yourself, you're like the bridge when it comes to the older generation and younger generation. Sometimes you don't see that. Sometimes, you know, the older generation will say, I'm only staying with mine.
Starting point is 00:39:25 But I feel like you open your arms to so many different people, right? Why is that? Because it doesn't matter if you're talking to Lauren's grandma on the phone. you're just as kind and so you're talking to a younger artist why is it that? Is that thoughtful of why does that mean the most of you?
Starting point is 00:39:41 It means a lot to me because they trust my my food and my music because everything that I do it's from my heart. Like I said, I would give food away
Starting point is 00:39:53 but now that it's going to sell I'm not going to give it I'm not going to sell it. I mean that's just because it's from my heart. Everything I do is from my heart and we'll take time on the macaroni
Starting point is 00:40:04 recipe making sure it's mine because I make it just like the one that you're buying in the store I make it like that I have to say that I have a little more cheeses in mine than in this one maybe three more cheeses yeah and I know currently you are number two behind Pearl Milling Walmart Kroger and H.E.B. Wow that's great that's amazing and we know you we can walk in the stores and we know exactly who you are I mean starting out in this and you're doing it just so easily and gracefully like starting out did you what was the plan like was it always let me you know go into these big retailers or like did you want to just feed your people like what was your goal i wanted to go into the big the big
Starting point is 00:40:49 places you know with my food like um um what's a girlfriend's name um you know no shut up the girl tab of the girl no she said well mark the stewart Yeah. Who did you just say? Tabitha Brown. Oh, I love Tabitha. But Miss Martha, she's doing it. And so would Tabitha if she was not a black woman.
Starting point is 00:41:17 You know, so I know why Bird sings and all that stuff. So I want to be big. You know, why not? Right. And like you say, when you look at the box, she said, oh, she looks like me. Or she cooks like me, so I ain't buying and stuff. I'm going to cook my own. because people do cook much better than I do, you know, but I am happy to say that they've been buying my food.
Starting point is 00:41:42 What have you learned about ownership and longevity from transitioning from the music business into retail and consumer products? It was so good to be an owner of yourself. It's just like with your music, if you own your music, you know, you're so much better than just letting a company take care of you. So I've learned with Zori, Charles, and Alex. We don't make many mistakes when it comes to now presenting our foods to the public because they're truly businessmen. And I am, whatever. I am the woman behind the business.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I think I'm the woman behind those three guys. You know, so they do the hard work. And like I said, I'm blessed to be surrounded by smart people. and people who are not going to let anyone take advantage of me. Right. And I don't think you would know that, that she, they fully own it all. Like you and your son, that y'all own it on. So every decision is from y'all.
Starting point is 00:42:45 Oh, totally. Every time you put something out there, whether it's pancake batter, whether it's peach cobbler, whether it's sweet potato pie, it's all done and sort over from you. Oh, yes. That has to be about that. There's nobody behind you or watering your product down or making sure it goes here. Yeah. You get to decide everything.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Everything. And we don't mind doing it because that's what we're supposed to do. A lot of people lazy out and say, well, I'm going to go with this so far. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do that. It'll just happen. Well, my voice is getting worse. And, yeah, we take care of everything.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Yes, we do. You sound fine. I mean, you've been working a lot. You've been everywhere, Ms. Patty LaGelle. Okay. And how has the tour has been? You've been on tour with these other queens? How is that?
Starting point is 00:43:32 It's so much fun. We go back February 19th, we start again. And that's been fun, fine. I've been doing my own shows also with my band. So I never stopped. I don't want to stop, but I'm recording. So don't say, God, it's been 55 years since she had a record out. Well, it's been about 20, 20 years.
Starting point is 00:43:55 And I've been working on it for the last year. So it's going to happen. So you record music right now? that's why you're talking about your voice forwarding traveling yeah there's been a lot of wonderful things that I've been doing that's working on mine
Starting point is 00:44:11 throat yeah in the Queen's store you guys we were talking earlier about you guys being top 10 grossing tours for urban tours that's really great and the four of us have so much fun
Starting point is 00:44:26 although we don't get to see each other too much because we all have 50 minutes on stage and as soon as that girl goes off that one's on and then that one's on it's like a well oil machine the way this thing works and then there's those beautiful little young princess you know the girls the babies oh that come on prior to you guys no brandy oh the boy's minds yes okay because we saw you there oh you guys are both with a black promoters collective right yes so i mean they've been doing a great job and it's just good that You see all black women doing it together, which sometimes it doesn't happen.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Yeah. But it's happening and it's so even. It's just good. It feels good and they all sing their faces off. I saw them give you all your flowers too. Yeah. But 300 roses? Yes, from Kelly Rowland and Beyonce was backstage as I received these roses and I,
Starting point is 00:45:26 well, they talk to me about how they're on my shoulders. and if it wasn't who are like people like Patty LaBelle, they wouldn't be Destiny's Child when they were. Yeah, so I was, oh, truly honest, that night, I was a superstar. You always see the star. You can't be surprised when you hear stuff like that, though. I was when Zuri called and said Kelly wants to give you your roses. So I said, why and what?
Starting point is 00:45:52 I didn't really understand that her husband called Zuri and said that Kelly wants to do something for Ms. LaVelle. And when I went, they told me what they were going to do. I said, well, I just called me up. And it was just one of the better moments in my life to hear the ovation and to see the young girls, Monica, and they're all coming to me, just giving me love. And you can get that all the time. I feel like you would, like you should. Well.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Yeah, if not you, who? Yeah. So many others. You know, but it depends on who. that you like. And those little girls like Patty Patty Patty. Absolutely, but I mean it's like you're kind of like the last of a dying breed. Like it's not too many
Starting point is 00:46:37 Miss Patty LaBelle's left, right? You're right. You're right. One, maybe I can't even think of too many of them. Of course, you know, the Stephanie Mills and the Shaka cons, which is great to see y'all all on tour together. Gladys. Gladys, yep. Gladys, yep. Miss Anita Baker, yep. Oh, yes. It's like so many of us.
Starting point is 00:46:52 But there are so many of us who aren't working, you know, which is not good. It's just kind of sad. because those ladies can sing but people forget black women quicker than they do white so they're forgotten for the reason is the color of their skin
Starting point is 00:47:08 and you know but we still persevere because I know I know that I'm good you know and there's like always compare myself with my girlfriend Celine Dionne with if you ask me to and I always say gosh that girl killed
Starting point is 00:47:26 that with her ratings and her sales and we did the same song the same way and I you know I got to be real it's just one of those things do I love her yes but let's get a little even stuff going around every now then you know
Starting point is 00:47:42 that would be wonderful has that been a challenge in the product business too has it Zori he said no anything so no they've been smiling lately the three guys
Starting point is 00:47:57 yeah so no No, we've, like I said, we have something that a lot of people work so hard to get and they don't. They never stop working, and nor do I. So you've got to keep on keeping on. Don't stop because they tell you no. Ms. Patty, Lauren told me that you're taking a trip. International? Yes, you are going to.
Starting point is 00:48:22 It's about celebrating your birthday, to 8065 or 56th or 56th? In Australia. 8065. Oh, that's going to happen, but it's going to happen next year. Yes. Not next year. 27. 27, okay.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Okay, end of 2026, yes. Oh, gosh, patty. It's the 865 tour. It's a celebration of your birthday, but also 65 years in the entertainment business, correct? Mm-hmm. 65 years singing. It's going to be nice. The last time I was in Australia.
Starting point is 00:48:54 It was 30 years ago. and we're happy to be invited yeah we're going to do it and this is a solo tour well solo dates that you're going to do solo dates yeah this is not with the queens it's solo dates that's 26 hours on a plane
Starting point is 00:49:11 at least 18 I think is it 18? He's about 18 20 is it 26? No no about 18 20 from the East Coast what makes you still want to You don't have to.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Nope. Oh, I have to for my soul. Wow. I mean, that brings me joy. If I stop singing, like, today, I would do what? Cool. I'm tired of that, too. You got kids, you got grandkids running around.
Starting point is 00:49:40 I know, I go for the babies, you know. But right now, there's never going to be a time when I could say to the world, this is my last tour. No way. And when they say it, they lie. Nobody wants to stop. Yeah, I can't stop this. I saw this story, Queen Latifah was talking to Jennifer Hudson about how she was ready to leave the entertainment business and you, she didn't really go too much into detail, but she just said that you were the reason why she stayed. Like, you came into her life and she decided not to leave the entertainment business.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Yeah, because, you know, I've been there where they're going. And I know once we get in, we're in. And don't stop something that you love. They all love to sing and they can see. That's a big difference sometimes. Sometimes we'll sing and they can't. But all these young girls, they can sing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:33 All of them? Well, no. Don't you get this Patty in trouble now. Don't you get this Patty in trouble now? All of them. Okay. How do you balance staying authentic to your roots while still evolving your brand from new generations?
Starting point is 00:50:53 Who may discover you. your products first? I just do. I just do. I mean, it's natural for me to stay who I am. And, gosh,
Starting point is 00:51:04 I just like being Patty. Just basic. I'm a very boring person, very quiet, very laid back. The only thing I do that people might say, why are you doing that?
Starting point is 00:51:16 And they better not say it because they all do it. Play cards. Oh, my God, you had to play a game of spades. And you said we don't play before you leave today. We're playing.
Starting point is 00:51:24 A.C. Ducey. A.C. Ducey. Yes, we're having a game tomorrow night. At my house. I never heard of that. At this house. Hold up. I said at this house.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Okay. Well, this was yours, too? Oh, you know what? This is my house. And I don't live here. Yes, at my house. Yeah. Tomorrow night.
Starting point is 00:51:50 That's right. What does Pennsylvania in Philly mean to you? Because we were riding up here. I was so shy. And I was telling my mom and Lauren was telling her grandma. She was like, everybody knows Patty stay in Pennsylvania. That's her town. Philly's her town.
Starting point is 00:52:02 What does Philly mean to you? And why won't you ever? What does Philly mean to me? It means that you don't have very much to do. Kind of boring. Kind of way laid back. But I love that life. So that's why I'm still here.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Most people say, why aren't you in L.A.? Too phony. You know, and I don't deal with pretending people, people who pretend. And I just Philly is my joan. My join. Did I say it right with you? Yes. Oh my God. She said it right.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Next is going to be bold. You're going to just be out here. Wow. Right. Yes. So yeah, I love Philly, you know, and I'm going to be here. How has that helped you like in moments where like I don't know if you've ever had the moment like with Queen Latifah was talking about where you just exhausted from everything, either on the cooking side
Starting point is 00:52:50 and music side? Being at home, and there's so much family around you. How does that like, you know, rejuvenate you on days where you're like, yo, leave me alone. Never do I say leave me alone. I just close a door. So they know if I'm closing the door that it's like quiet time.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Right. For me. Yeah. Are you ready to tell like your story through like documentaries and biopics and all that stuff? We started doing a documentary and we also started on doing a biopic. so there's going to be somebody playing patty
Starting point is 00:53:24 wow you got anybody in mind I've got loads of girls in mine but I can't tell you yet first and foremost do they have to look like you or sound like oh no more than anything if they sound like me the look they can make that makeup make me look like me who's even close to sounding like Miss Patty LaBelle oh my god there's so many
Starting point is 00:53:47 um well I have a big mouth I have a real loud singing voice I don't know gosh long you okay
Starting point is 00:53:59 do you have an idea of one person Fantasia Yeah Oh yeah okay But she sang Yeah but she did something
Starting point is 00:54:09 for another artist Did she or did she not I don't remember I thought Jennifer Hudson too But I feel like Jennifer did respect Yeah I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson.
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Starting point is 00:58:56 Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad versus Everyone podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That and also two Dreamgirls as well. I feel like you need someone who hasn't kind of taken on that space of like telling someone's stories so that we can see them as you only. I have a lot in mine. I just really don't know yet. It's a lot in mine.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah. There was a, there's a lot of, like, stuff that circulates from, like, Facebook to everywhere about you. They said that you're serious supposed to be, like, it was 16 episodes, and you were producing every single episode, and I was in here asking people today, it was like, that is not true. Child, the stuff I've been reading about me, I said, really? At 81, I have twins. twin real babies
Starting point is 00:59:44 congratulations okay so many things like the homeless shelter or the hospital yeah they said that you were creating a hospital for homeless people to get completely free services that's not true of course it's true
Starting point is 01:00:01 no none of that stuff is true I did say that AI is the reason for all of this false stuff going around about me that they call 50 times they'll call Ken. Is it true that Patty had twins? Is it true that Patty is building a
Starting point is 01:00:19 hospital? Is it true that she's married? Is it true that she has this going on? It's all AI. And they're doing it not just to Patty LaBelle, but to so many entertainers they're catching heck. Because so many people believe that.
Starting point is 01:00:35 And it's just not true. And the sooner we get the word out so people can stop doing having privileges to just say anything about anybody you know it's not good and twins at 81 that's rosemary
Starting point is 01:00:51 baby sure ain't mine that did you sell what do you think about the AI singers it's awful all the AI stuff it's not it's just disgusting and when people believe it it's worse than that
Starting point is 01:01:05 did you hear what Jemine Dupree said Jamee Dupree said that AI singers should have their own chart, like their own billboard for AI artists, their own platform for AI artists and their own stuff. It should not be mixed with regular artists. They just need to shoot AI
Starting point is 01:01:20 where you know. And it shouldn't be two. It shouldn't be AI and then real. Yeah, no. Yes. Even though it's like the times are changing. I'm just trying to get a drink a water. Oh, go ahead. You better be
Starting point is 01:01:36 watching me. I'm about to the children. Oh, yes. Okay. I'm good. I'm good. I was saying I know AI is like you know a part of the times but for real like singer singers like you who've always like your craft like when people talk about Patty LaBelle it's like you can't get close to her right when people have the argument of like whether we should accept it or not do you take it as like a disrespect thing when people are saying yes you should because this is where things are going you can't get around technology yeah yes I'd say that they should keep going or do you just take it as a I said shoot it in the butt didn't You didn't hear really? I didn't hear it. You just want to see what. No, no. Wherever you can shoot it to kill it.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Okay. This is what Ms. Patty is saying. It's awful. It's a waste of time. Yeah. You got that feeling? I heard it. Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Maybe you got it. Let's go to the kitchen, man. She's probably going to cook for us. But listen, you can get all her products and Prologer and Walmart. H.E.B. And at my house. That's right. We appreciate Ms. Patty for joining us.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Now, if you're listening. right now on air, the full version will be on YouTube, where Ms. Patty will be teaching us how to cook chicken and waffles. You know chicken waffles? Yes, I am. Make sure you pick up all the products. Can I say one thing? Of course. How you guys just support me
Starting point is 01:02:53 every chance you get how great that makes me feel because you don't have to call Patty LaBelle you, but you do. We love Ms. Patty. We love you. We value you. We appreciate it. I'm not playing, though. A lot of people take what they get for granted. I never take Breakfast Club for granted
Starting point is 01:03:09 because you're so everything you're everything and I was telling this thing I've been watching her do interviews and she's phenomenal this is that I thank you oh thank you miss you and you don't think it's a flex right we can't get on the phone but like we're going to miss patty's house right now my house freaked out for like 30 I'm like you got to hang up on her she's gonna hold you like you're not real to some people that's right
Starting point is 01:03:32 you're like a fairy tale this people that's really interesting and that's another blessing she said you like AI to some people No, I did it. No, I did it. We got to go cook. Y'all have a happy holidays. Merry Christmas and all that good stuff.
Starting point is 01:03:46 It's the breakfast club. It's Maddie of the Day. Time for Donkey of the Day. It's a reed, but you're so good at it. You're trying to be a fake-ass Charlemagne. He's only one Charlemagne to go. Damn, Salamane. Who you give a dusty other day to then?
Starting point is 01:04:00 Well, sexy red donkey of the day goes to a woman named Shannon, Teresa Marie Swartz. She is a Playboy model. Yes, that playboy. I don't know exactly what that means to be a playboy model. assume she's been in a playboy or two, and she has posed in a bikini on the cover of Maxim Magazine. Yes, Maxim New Zealand, but we need to have a discussion this morning about just how far a woman should go for her man.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Now, Shannon, who I will keep telling you as a playboy model, has a boyfriend, and her boyfriend's name is Will Helm Lewis Huntzinger. He was charged with being a felon in possession of 205 rounds of remitting, 223 caliber ammunition, and some drugs and other stuff, and he's incarcerated. in the Honolulu federal detention center. Now, Shannon clearly loves her man and is willing to do anything to get her man out. But if I was her man, I wouldn't want her to offer
Starting point is 01:04:50 what she offered to get him out. No, no, no, no. See, ladies, as a man, I don't want you to do anything that's going to possibly cause you to be in the same situation that I'm in. And in this case, it's jail. And I definitely don't want you giving away what you gave away.
Starting point is 01:05:02 See, Shannon made a bribe in one of the officers. What do you think a Playboy playmate would offer this federal officer in exchange for releasing her man? man let me tell you a story then Shannon offered the agent blank to help him persuade the judge to release her boyfriend the agent says he received numerous miss calls text messages and voicemails from Shannon Shannon told the agent that she was referred to him as someone who could handle a situation for a high profile inmate Shannon who was a playboy playmate told the agent that she was trying to secure her boyfriend's release and asked the agent to
Starting point is 01:05:38 meet with him so he could see she was serious and she could give him what she had for him ladies this isn't the way i appreciate the help but do you really believe your boyfriend would be okay with this this is why you tell men when they go to jail don't worry about what's going on outside okay you can't control what your woman wants to give someone while you locked up you will drive yourself crazy trying to control what a woman wants to give someone while you locked up and i damn sure don't want you giving things to other men okay saying you're doing it for me Shannon allegedly text the agent I can help with whatever you need, not show what your services cost. You paying him to service you?
Starting point is 01:06:14 First of all, that's trafficking, okay? And you know what the agent did after she texted? He opened a formal investigation in the Shannon hot ass, okay? I guess Shannon didn't know it was an open investigation because she was too busy trying to open something else. The Playboy Playmate Shannon allegedly continued to contact the agent, despite the agent informing her, I can't do nothing to help.
Starting point is 01:06:36 in regards to securing her boyfriend's release. But she's a Playboy playmate. Did the cover of Maxim. So the agent agreed to meet with Shannon. Also, because Shannon wouldn't stop trying to throw it at the agent. The agent said she was persistent in asking for help. Now, this is when the agent was either trying to set her up or she was wearing him down because the agent told Shannon that he would have to continue communicating with her on his personal phone.
Starting point is 01:07:03 Now, I'm joking. He was just trying to set her up because it was actually an undercover guy. government device to monitor their conversations and during a meeting between the Playboy Playmate and the agent she allegedly offered to give the agent this bribe so he could ask a judge he was friends with to help aid the release of her boyfriend and she told the agent I'll give you some now and give you some with my boyfriend's release now what would you tell your boyfriend what okay what man would be okay with that envy would you be okay with your woman doing that no Jess would you do
Starting point is 01:07:34 that for your man no Ladies, we love y'all, but don't be giving up what's ours to get me out. Shannon then arranged a second meeting with the agent. How many dates they're going to go on? This is too much. And at the airport, she gave him something. Remember she promised I'll give you something now and then something when he gets out? Right.
Starting point is 01:07:55 But I thought they were investigating. Right. So he got in trouble? That was part of the investigation? To see if she would really do it? Do what? What did she do? Well, you never said it, yo.
Starting point is 01:08:06 You got us on the tip. Like, what's going on? Pause. I mean, yeah. What did you say earlier? H***ed. No. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Falacio. No, no, no, no. Oral? No. Back shots? But, like, what's up? What's wrong? Well, get y'all minds out the gutters.
Starting point is 01:08:21 She was offering them money. Okay, $5,000. She gave him $2,500. Yeah, she gave him $2,500 at the airport, and after the meeting, she was arrested and charged with one kind of bribery of a public official and one kind of obstruction of justice, and she's bar from communicating with her boyfriend. Oh, you.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Yeah, yeah, that's what I do that for. Yeah, oh yeah, I do that for my man. It's illegal, Jess. You can't rob a federal agent. It's like, no. Oh, my God. I thought it was like, allegedly. Get your mind out the gutter.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Yeah, that's what I'm like, no. You kept saying playmate. Playmate, playmate. Right, so that's what we're thinking. She's a playboy, playmate, and she couldn't wait to open her bank account. That is not. Y'all are ridiculous. I can't believe you.
Starting point is 01:08:59 Y'all need to get your mind out of the gutter. Y'all got kids. You're so funny, you know. Grow up. Grow up. Please give Shannon, Theresa Marie Schwartz, the biggest he I can't believe these people I work with. You said open up, then you put your little seductive voice on.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Put your little seductive voice on. He knows how he tried making sound. I'll give you something. Yes, money. Nobody says, I'll give you some money like that. So it don't even matter to shit Playboy Playmeat. It don't matter. Well, it matters.
Starting point is 01:09:24 She ought to come a maximum. Well, it matters if you're a good storytell. Yeah, you're a clown, though. Yeah, because you're really funny. Now, I wonder if she would have offered that, If the agent would have said, you know what, maybe. Right. Possible.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Damn, so now both of them in jail. Both of them. Oh, my God. So now that mama got to come get them. Right. And Mama got off or something, I guess. Yeah, she ain't got no money. She probably ain't got no money.
Starting point is 01:09:49 She probably be like, I got something else. Take them dentures out and get to work. Yeah. I don't know how old her mama is, though. Oh, man. All right. Well, thank you for that donkey today. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:09:58 Good morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalameen the guy. We are the breakfast club. La Rosa is. And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, we do.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Kirk Franklin, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. I feel like I left here. That's fine. That's a good thing. I feel like I left here. What is this? What is like the 20,000 times? I'm good with it.
Starting point is 01:10:19 I'm just humble by that. I'm glad you here. Well, first of all, welcome and congratulations for being honored at the BET Awards this year. How was that feeling? Oh, nervous. Had bubble guts. Really? What?
Starting point is 01:10:33 You are the performer. of performance. How? You're always in the road, bro. Do you? How? I am always nervous. Didn't we talk about that too? Yeah, I couldn't believe it either when he said it to me. Really? Yeah, we talked about it at the media room.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Yeah, I'm always nervous. If I go speak, if I go to a nursing home and perform, I'm nervous. If I go speak to kids, I'm like, yeah, I'm always have, yeah, I'm over. Really? What about it makes you nervous? Like, what is it? What are you thinking about? First of all, I think that it has served me well. It's because it's never normal. I'm never comfortable.
Starting point is 01:11:03 I'm always wanting to. to do my best. I'm always, you know, like I'm always concerned about every moment. You know, will it be good enough? Will it be accepted? Will it be light? And so there's never a moment
Starting point is 01:11:18 where I'm ever dialing anything in. You know, like everything for me is my first. Every project, every album, every song, every moment, it's my first. Like, I'm a new artist. I'm a new, I'm a struggling artist every time. And I think a lot of it, and you know, y'all probably just, even attest, just all the, the, the guests that you've had that have come from traumatic backgrounds, you know, childhood abandonment, adoption, and all that, is that I think that you are always chasing ghosts. You're always chasing ghosts.
Starting point is 01:11:51 You're always looking for that. Good job, baby, their mama didn't give you, that you didn't, that you didn't, that you didn't have in those formative years. So, yeah, every moment is, is, it's nerves and new. And so at the B2 wars I'm about to lose it backstage I'm about to pass I'm like And then I didn't know I was going last
Starting point is 01:12:11 Yeah I was mad you went last I was mad I said you put somebody like that Like that in the front or the middle Because it was so late Well yeah but that but we stayed up I know we did stay up Wow that's kind of y'all
Starting point is 01:12:23 But what I'm saying though Is that you feel even more pressure It's like I'm not going last It's like you know Because you Kirk Franklin though But I'm the gospel guy. And so you don't think of your genre having a space like that. You know, you know, and you don't even
Starting point is 01:12:41 expect it. Like, you know, it's, it's almost like it's, it's an honor for even the genre to be acknowledged and, and even part of the, the ecosystem, right? But when, when I found out that I was going last, I mean, yeah, brother, you didn't want to be sitting by me. Pressure was on, huh? Well, no, I was letting them go. Oh, so Tiana Taylor and Aaron. and Pierre was smelling a little. And I lied. I was like, oh, man, who did that?
Starting point is 01:13:07 Oh, my Kirk, Franklin, the gassy. Wait. Because did you have gas when you were sitting next to me? I ain't smell nothing. Well, I wasn't nervous talking to you. Oh, that's good. Right, right. Because you, I'm not going to lie.
Starting point is 01:13:19 I've been telling people since I met you is my first time meeting you. It threw me off. I didn't know you were so like just normal. Yeah, like so normal. What is that mean? I said you were a real N-word. She was like, he's a real . I said, yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:30 I've never felt like that about somebody. What do you think people like? Like, what are people expecting for me to come in floating on clouds? Yes, a little bit. That's what people... And I think that's unfortunate. And I think that we've got to find ways to still deconstruct it. I just think that it stands in the way of people feeling like that they can be a part of the family too.
Starting point is 01:13:49 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, like, everybody can pull me and be part of this God love wagon. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so it's always challenging for me when there's this where there's this ideal. of what being a person that loves Jesus looks like. And so I want to be the lowliest, the most humble,
Starting point is 01:14:12 the most realest person so that you can see, man, that everybody's supposed to be on this bus. And we're supposed to be riding together, man. We don't always know what we're going, but we ride. Now, during the BET Awards, they kept showing you when Kevin Hart was doing comedy. And then their whole twist was Kirk Franklin was upset with all the Kevin Hart jokes.
Starting point is 01:14:33 And I'm like, they must not know Kirk. So, bro, I was, oh, it was so good. Those jokes, they were so good. He's good. He's hilarious. But then I'll also give you this side. And, you know, and I want him cap, right? I think that the biggest thing is, for me,
Starting point is 01:14:50 is that I always have to be careful because I know that there's a community of the super religious. That if I enjoy something too much, then it comes across like, why he not why he not praying for him he need to walk out
Starting point is 01:15:06 and and so there's this there's this dichotomy that you live in when you say that you represent faith that it's like I love Jesus but I'm not Jesus
Starting point is 01:15:18 I'm not him I love God I live in a body that ain't his yet until he cracks the sky and make me more like him until then
Starting point is 01:15:29 I live in this broken house and I live in a world where things are going to be funny. I'm going to stub my toe and I'm not going to speak a tongue in the middle of night. I'm going to cuss. You know what I'm saying? You push me too hard. It's going to be hands, you know? I mean, I'm, you know, I am not a perfect person.
Starting point is 01:15:48 And so when something's funny and it's good and funny, I want to laugh. How do you stop yourself from laughing? Because he kept going and, you know, Kev is going to keep going until you get, and you were pulling that laughing. I know. I feel like I was laughing. You are, but it was like you still. trying to keep that sense of like all right like
Starting point is 01:16:03 you was like you were cracking but you were like still containing yourself I was and it because it was funny it was it's funny he's funny he's good and so you get to see them perfect Kirk
Starting point is 01:16:15 but I think also what people don't understand is God don't want us to be perfect anyway and either like I just you know Jesus they we're not posed to be perfect that's why he made us in his image but it's like
Starting point is 01:16:28 if he if he put us here and he knew he know everything we're going to do before we do it like he already knows it's like we are not him we are of him you know we're not meant to be perfect we're just meant to follow him
Starting point is 01:16:43 and in that we always should be pursuing to be better better we want to be more like him we want to be able to be changed in ways there are things that I see in myself that I want to grow and look more like him but I'm not on your watch I'm not on your calendar
Starting point is 01:17:00 and how I get there. I am on his. And so I think that if we, like I said something on this new digital series I have on, called Den of Kings is that we have to understand, man, that we are patients. We're not doctors.
Starting point is 01:17:20 And Christianity is supposed to be a place that's a hospital. It's a hospital. It's not supposed to be a country club. It's going to be a place where people that don't have it together can come and everybody can feel comfortable that they know
Starting point is 01:17:33 that they don't have it together. But when people come to us in our community and they feel like that we are more concerned about their habits and their ways been changed before our eyes
Starting point is 01:17:44 and you're not being changed yet you're not doing it. It's like that then people create performance anxiety. That's where the mask comes. It's because if I don't look the way that you think
Starting point is 01:17:54 I should look soon then now I've got to fake it until I make it. And then you never and then what happens then you become a human doing and they're never human being. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm going to say that back to the BET Awards. They were mad at one of your outfits that you were.
Starting point is 01:18:08 They were mad at every. I was about to say that like every. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Joltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's Attorney General.
Starting point is 01:18:28 is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted. at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant.
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Starting point is 01:20:53 That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself, but alongside others. I'm Mike De La Rocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it. And, you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as people just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts. You can't even find your gifts unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing you think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer.
Starting point is 01:21:46 Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the Maikultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night. Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wally, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hurricane Dibolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled, Do I have scurvy at 3 a.m? On Health Stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health.
Starting point is 01:22:18 But also what our health says about us. us and the way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes. In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic. How preventable is type 2? Extremely. Or our in-depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are. Oh, it's hard to explain to the rest of the world that you, like, your mangoes are fine
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Starting point is 01:22:58 This year Yeah they said that you apologized for it You wore like a tank top of some shorts Oh no that was prior to We talked about that too at the media room But they bad at the outfit I mean it wasn't Poon Poon Shorts You didn't have a thong
Starting point is 01:23:10 It was nothing like that So they try to say bro was twerking Oh sorry let me Kurt Brer They tried to say Kirk Franklin was She said bro Yeah sorry He said, bro. No, I don't think I can't address you like that.
Starting point is 01:23:20 Yeah, sorry. Hold up, but pause, pause. What's one with, bro? I don't know. You just feel like, it's so crazy how, like, naturally you just feel like the homie, and I'm like, it's Kirk Franklin. Well, when I'm not, see, we got to work on that, bro. Because I, it's like, watching you at the BET Awards and seeing the energy
Starting point is 01:23:37 and the moving and all that with your performance. Oh, your mic went out. See, God didn't want me to call you, bro. See, that's what I'm saying. That's what happened when you call. Don't you call it, bro. Kurt Roseland, brough. Talking about the award show, though.
Starting point is 01:23:48 there were a couple things so first people were upset at the performance in a whole like they felt like yeah I mean I thought it was a great performance but I think people I think it just goes to like the people that you bring onto stage and how you I have a quote here I think it was Dietrich Haddon was upset about Glorilla winning the award
Starting point is 01:24:05 but they also called he also mentioned like things being like a mockery of worship and like things of that nature do you get tired of that conversation at this point or at this point are you so used to it as whatever be real bro gang gang gang gang on everything I love it is what it is
Starting point is 01:24:23 yeah it it it is what it it is God bless him and God bless them how did you feel about that because some people were mad that in the gospel category it was Glorilla in yourself it was little baby in yourself
Starting point is 01:24:36 it was Rhapsody not your quote unquote typical gospel songs what did you think about that that Glorilla won her first BT award was a gospel record what are your thoughts on it primarily gospel artists i'm trying to keep my eyes on the prize trying to keep my focus on the things that really matter i'm trying to um tell the world about jesus trying to tell the world that for god so let the world that he gave his only son
Starting point is 01:25:01 whoever believes in him shall not perish and have ever lasted in life that's what i'm mad that's what i'm mad everything else is just noise that's what i meant i feel like you meet people where they are you've been doing that since i was a little girl like you know i'm I feel like when you say you meet people where you are, it's always been saying you meet people where they are, right? Christ and Christianity and church don't look the same for everybody. So if like a Glorilla can speak to us, the youth, you know, and you stamp it, and we like, oh, we know Kirk Frank, this is who all of our mothers and grandmothers and aunts played.
Starting point is 01:25:46 growing up and she because she is the bridge you know what I mean like she would be the bridge for it and God uses everybody like you can use anybody can use a bum on a street you can use a homeless person he can use you know anybody
Starting point is 01:25:59 to to lead you know to so you can pay attention to bring you to you know to God and Jesus I feel like it's not it's not why is that frowned upon you know what I mean there's a text
Starting point is 01:26:12 um in in in scripture there's this moment where the disciples were talking to Jesus about people that were not part of their crew that was also using his name and trying to do things at his name and they were upset about it because they were not part of the crew and so they came to Jesus they pulled him like yo man you need to go pull up on a boy name they over there saying your name and trying to do boo-woo and your name and we really need to squash that and and and that Jesus was like yo if they're over there
Starting point is 01:26:41 and they're still trying to do good things in my name even though they're not part of our crew I'm not going to squash that is because they are still telling people my name and so I feel that it is the same that today that Christianity has for so long been a country club
Starting point is 01:26:56 and you've had to have a membership if you've had to look a certain way like, like, let me tell you one thing that's funny to me is that people always say to me and even Tammy sometimes it's like you know like y'all look younger now that y'all did when you first started let me tell what a lot of that was
Starting point is 01:27:10 we were simulating to what the church if you were young in church you had to look old to be thought of as serious. Like, they didn't take you serious if you did not look a certain way. So you dressed, though, you had the long, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:23 you had the long jackets, you know, the square-toe gaiters. Yeah. And Tammy probably had the big lampshade hats. Big, you know. First time I took it to Codja Convention.
Starting point is 01:27:32 We were 25 years old. And, you know, God bless Church of God in Christ, love church of God in Christ, you know, but there's a certain aesthetic that sometimes you have on, Tammy 25 years old got a big old hat on,
Starting point is 01:27:44 gloves. And she said, She said, I felt like trick-a-tree. You know, because we were trying to assimilate. You're trying to do all the things to be accepted as a young person. And so now, I mean, we're just comfortable being who we are. And I just think that it is really, really important to just put people back on the focus of what matters. He's what matters.
Starting point is 01:28:05 That's right. Now, what was the concept of Den of Kings? What inspired that? Bro, first of all. You got to talk to the mic. Bro, first of all, I'm, bro. Bro, bro, bro, bro. Don't give me trouble.
Starting point is 01:28:16 They are we going to drag me for saying it once? That's the motif of the show, right? Bro, bro, bro. And it's a beautiful thing, beautiful thing. But one thing that I'm very excited about is that I just had this idea that I've always been told that people enjoy the way I hold court during dinner. Like when you go to dinner with me, we're going to chop. You know, we're going to chop about politics. You know, we're going to talk about religion, sex.
Starting point is 01:28:38 We're going to talk about whatever and get it in. And so during my birthday, I came to Atlanta. while I went to Atlanta had dinner with some of my good guy friends and they were like yo bro you need to turn this into something because I've had really great conversations and so with that I just thought about having dinner with black men and what that could look like in that conversation
Starting point is 01:28:59 and so the first episode shot in Atlanta great food chef beautiful house you know you had country Wayne you had Lou you had you had Deval you had Dvall you had D.C. and it was an incredible moment and the response has been
Starting point is 01:29:17 crazy. I've been telling everybody I know to watch it. It's been amazing as like were you shocked at the response? Yes. Especially with DC and how he gets deep and how you're up man I love that because that's my brother. I know I know I know and he loves you. Yes. Yes yes yes and you know even country Wayne
Starting point is 01:29:33 you know like just you gave them that safe space that vulnerable place where they can talk about things that they don't usually talk about and they talk about but they don't go in depth with it you know what I mean like you provide that and I love to see that and it has been I mean the response has been overwhelmed like it has been so so you know we've got another one on deck coming up soon you know and it's just you know dinner conversations with men yeah with black
Starting point is 01:30:01 men and I'm humble and I want to thank everybody that's been tuning in and watching it and it's just been it's been an amazing moment and it's like men's therapy it's like watching a men's therapy session. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Each episode about fatherhood is going to be different things that men do. Different conversations. Next one is by being a boss. Okay. And, uh, you know,
Starting point is 01:30:23 we, we are going to have so many conversations that are just really just kind of peeling back and just having a really, really, really great conversation. You're going to pull up on one. Of course. Don't play. I think, no, I think Envi and Charlottom, man, I think y'all be so
Starting point is 01:30:36 amazing in the sit-downs. Like, it would be... It'd be fired. Because it's like a real conversation. Non-judgmental as well. judgmental, non-judgmental, and I want everybody to feel safe. And I try to lead with vulnerability and transparency myself. So I try to create the environment that makes you feel safe and comfortable. Will there ever be a episode with you and your baby boy, your son? It's not that I haven't thought about it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I would want there to be real healing in his life before there is anything that that that that that that that puts a spotlight they could even
Starting point is 01:31:16 be more damaging got it to his process you know I want him whole yeah I don't give a heck about ratings you know I was going to say something else but I just want him hope and so whatever is going to be for his best healing and a lot of times that that happens when the cameras are what's your relationship now with them it's um it's still work it it's it's it's still work now the beautiful thing that has happened is you know I
Starting point is 01:31:45 ran into my biological father of course yeah and here's what's the most incredible thing about God everything that my oldest son needs that's his profession your dad's profession
Starting point is 01:32:01 biological father's profession and I think you can impact that Yeah, right, right. Everything that my oldest needs. So my biological has come in because that's his grandson now. So he has a personal interest in him being whole. And it's been amazing. It's been, well, it's been amazing to watch.
Starting point is 01:32:24 But it's still a process. Do you regret what you've done in gospel music because it took so much time away from your family? That's an incredible question. is I think that any man, in my humble opinion, that is ambitious and driven, will always look back and have regrets on how the people around them have had to suffer because of that.
Starting point is 01:32:49 Because you, yeah, your family suffered, but you brought joy to people. You probably saved a million and one lives with your music and your dance and the word, but you might have hurt a couple in the family because you weren't there. So how does that balance out? And, you know, as a father,
Starting point is 01:33:05 that works a lot, I feel that sometimes. It's like, damn, should I be home during this time? But I got to get bills. See, Denner Kings, because y'all talked about this on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh, boy. You know, you you have many regrets.
Starting point is 01:33:24 Yeah, you have many regrets. And you have confusion. It's because it's almost like if you were not driven, if you were not a dog, if you didn't have that attitude, then you wouldn't have been what you are. But you also know that many around you, whether it's your wife or your kids,
Starting point is 01:33:43 that they've suffered a lot, that they've gone through a lot because it comes with a heavy price. And I think that for me, mine also has another level of kind of dichotomy is because you also don't want to, you don't want their kids' faith to be, I don't want having to do with Jesus
Starting point is 01:34:00 because Jesus was the dude that kept my daddy away. so I'm trying you know you've also tried to have that nuanced space in that too now the beauty of my children is their mother my my children are are great because of their mama Tammy Tammy has Tammy is like she just at Midas touch you know she but then how mama was that Tammy's mom is that Damn his mama's like that would be. You know, just that might as touch.
Starting point is 01:34:35 She knew I didn't have a mama, so bam, just a minus touch. But, yeah, you live with a lot of regret. You live with a lot of guilt. You live with a lot of questions. You live with that internal war of missing things and wondering what it would have been more like for you to be at home. But then at the same time, you also, that dude that wakes up in the middle of night with dreams and ideas and ambitions. And songs, you know, like I wake up and me like with songs and, you know, I'm
Starting point is 01:35:05 at a basketball game and I got to step outside to put something in my phone because a song, because if that song don't work, then I can't pay for that school. And I can't pay for that college. I can't pay for that your new car you want after you graduate. It's like, you know, there's that tension. Right. It's because people are blessed by your sacrifice
Starting point is 01:35:21 but then they also are hurt by your sacrifice. Yeah. And I don't know all the answers. I just try to show up and be honest. That's it. What I love, I love, that you said social media is not evil, you know,
Starting point is 01:35:35 it's broken people that use it as a tool of evil. Yeah. Right? So does commentary on social media affect you at all? Yeah, it can. Yeah. And I think anybody would be lying in this way. And I think that we all try to do our social media ass and we try to
Starting point is 01:35:51 pull back, you know, like after the beach awards, I was like, I'm not reading nothing. I don't want to read nothing. I won't have it. Yeah, I don't want nothing, you know. And then, you know, a few days later you find yourself, And look in and be, yeah. My man, please, it's by Jesus. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:36:07 You know? So, you know, yeah, you, you, you, you, you find that tension and you try to do the best. I really believe, y'all, and I know y'all got to wrap me up with so, man. I got to believe, I believe that everything that we discuss can be summarized in these major points of. Humans have to be more kind. Yeah. to humans that we we here's the illustration before I go right if you are on an island and the island is now slowly sinking into the water and the only way off that island to the other piece
Starting point is 01:36:41 of bigger land is this rope this tightrope and everybody has to walk across that tightrope now mind you they're walking over water that is shark infested right so if you fall off that tight rope, but that's the only way to get off this island is this tightrope. Everybody that is getting on that tightrope, if you're sitting there, standing there watching them because you know your turn is coming up next, you're not
Starting point is 01:37:04 going to be sitting there criticizing how they're getting off on that type. You're not going to be going, look at the feet. Look at it. She's not walking on it, right? Look at it. You're not doing it because you know what you're not doing that? Because you know you next. So you're saying and going, please may, ah, oh God, please let her make it. Please.
Starting point is 01:37:20 She made it. She made. Because that gives you hope that you can make it yeah that's what life is it's sinking and we're trying to get off and there's only way there's only one way and but we're criticizing each other while we're trying to get off that's the only way there's no boat there's nothing the only way off the sinking island is this damn difficult way we should be praying people make it instead of complaining how they walk it because you next and the church said Amen Dang
Starting point is 01:37:51 Well Dang I was Let me Let me go No no No no How did you Listen
Starting point is 01:37:57 You got some of the strongest Pipes Coming up out of your choir Like I'm talking about Like everybody Everybody was like a lead singer Like everybody How did you find these people
Starting point is 01:38:06 That's how I do it That's how you do it I do it Is I look for lead singers Individual Is I go after artists Yeah Is I look at people
Starting point is 01:38:15 That I see an artist in them. Come rock with you. And that's what I do. And that's why they're so amazing. Yeah. But that's dope that you caught that. Since I was little, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:38:26 yo, how everybody can not just sing but sing, everybody can sing. Like, he could have had, like, everybody do their own solo. Yeah. Crazy, man. No, no, no. Thank you for that.
Starting point is 01:38:36 But I want to say, I love you so much. Love you too. I've been inspired since I was, like, just so young, just those long mornings, my mother, Papua, CDs. And for every CD we, you know, I grew up on you. And I love you. And I'm so happy that I got
Starting point is 01:38:54 to meet you. Wow. You know? This is so crazy. This is the first time you met him because he's here. No. No. It's just 90 times. Curk's always up there. No, I met him before. I met him before. But it is kind of crazy me and Kirk Franklin because you've been in our household are literally, I know, word for word. I know
Starting point is 01:39:12 that like everything. Yeah. My whole life. So meeting you was just like So I'm happy. Oh, it's Kirk Franklin. Like, okay. And it is your presence, though. So I thank you so much just for all of your work and everything that you've done. You've contributed to just to my household and to gospel, the word of God, everything.
Starting point is 01:39:31 Thank you. That's kind of good. Thank you all for having. Well, Denner Kings, you can check it out on YouTube. New single, do it again. We're about to play that right now. And we have to leave with a prayer. What's wrong with you?
Starting point is 01:39:42 No, I was at right. You're going to call your ass brother to pray for you? First of all, he prayed for me at the media room. as well too. Okay, I am always covered in prayer. Thank you. All right. You know, it's covering your week too, but that's what this is critical. That you see, Shay, I need you to pray for them. Exactly. Exactly. She doesn't wear wigs no more because they talked about them. So, my didn't talk them right off. Are we including prayer for Zaddy? Or are we not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She needs a daddy too. Please. If you allowed to say that to God go here, I can't, I can't say it. I'm being funny. I'm being funny.
Starting point is 01:40:10 Man, man, father, wow, man, thank you so much that you are just the most kindest, most patient, creative of them all. Thank you, Lord, that you constantly just forgive us when we mess up and that you are always wanting us to win because when we win, it makes you look great. Father, we know that the world is crazy. And Father, I want to thank you for these three soldiers, for the four soldiers and how they are doing their best to try to plant seeds of goodness in the earth. Just watch over their families, watch over their lives. If we've ever needed you before, we need you in the world now. Please break down the walls of religion so that we can be able to see the light of your son and I'm talking about
Starting point is 01:40:47 your son S-O-N and Father we want him to be glorified in our lives. We are far from perfect messed up and we love the fact that you take the lemons and make lemonade in our lives every day. Thank you for not giving up on us. We want to make you proud. I want to make you
Starting point is 01:41:04 happy in your name Jesus. Amen. Amen. All right well there you have it. It's Kirk Franklin it's the breakfast club good morning. Now it's time to get up out of here. Shulman you got a positive note. Positive note is simply this. Being honest with myself is something I like. Okay, I am happy that I don't make excuses when I make a mistake. This is just a good way to improve in the fastest way.
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