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Episode Date: December 31, 2020

 With the holidays here, The breakfast club is going to take a little break but we’ve got a little something for you! We are gifting you with a brand new podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network!Sit back, relax, and check out this new podcast from some real OG’s. Gangster Chronicles Podcast features conversation with everyone from gangsters, police and bank robbers, to rappers, politicians and former drug dealers, giving you a glimpse into the world of those that live their lives outside of society's normalIn the season premiere of "The Gangster Chronicles" we sit down with the legendary Too Short. We discuss how the lucrative late eighties crack trade financed his music career and his brief time as a pimp. Too Short also shares a funny story with us about the last time he snorted cocaine and much more.Official Gangster Chronicles merchandise click hereFOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: www.instagram.com/thegangsterchroniclespodcastTwitter: www.twitter.com/TgcpodcastOGFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheGangsterChroniclesMake sure you listen to Gangster Chronicles Podcast on the Black Effect or wherever you get your podcast! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey y'all, Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history.

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Okay? These are my OGs right here. The Gangster Chronicles Podcast. Steel. Mob James. And the good brother MC8. Man, they got conversations with everybody from gangsters, police officers, bank robbers, rappers, politicians, former drug dealers, whatever. They got it.

They're just giving you a glimpse into the world of those that live their lives outside of society's normals. Make sure you listen to the Gangster Chronicles podcast on the Black Effect or wherever you get your podcasts. Worldwide. From the streets to the yard. To the boulevard. Gangster Chronicles! Well, all right, y'all. All across the U.S.C., Compton, Watts, Bay to L.A.,

Pomona, California, from valley to valley, we represent that killer county. So if you're keeping it real on your side of your town, you tune in to Gangster Chronicles. Gangster Chronicles, we gonna tell you how it goes. If I lie, my nose will grow like Pinocchio. We gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth. Gangster Chronicles, this is not your average show. You're now tuned in to the real MC8 Big James and Big Stills. This is strictly from the streets.

Hello. We represent the G's. From hood to hood, our backyard to yours, we would like to welcome you to another episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast with James McDonald, MC8, and myself, Norm Steele. You can listen to us on the iHeart app or for iPhone users, go to the Apple Podcasts app, subscribe, drop that five-star rating, and leave a comment. We had the privilege of having a pioneer in the building tonight.

He stepped on the scene in 1983 and has been a fixture in the game since then. With 22 solo albums, nine platinum and gold plaques under his belt, the respect of his peers north, south, east, and west, he is arguably the most successful rapper of all time. Yeah, bitch definitely made him rich. With a fan base that developed by slinging mixtapes to the pimps, players, and hustlers in the streets of cocaine-rich Oakland, California, known as the City of Dope, his career took flight when he linked up with Jerry Hodges, the younger brother of Oaktown baller Ted Hodges, owner of 75 Girls Records. So Jerry basically was like, yeah, yeah you know my brother on a record label

and everybody knew who his brother was his brother ride by you sitting every day riding by his it's 1985 this nigga zip by the 1985 bins you know i'm saying come back down the hill the brand new cadillac blast back up in a different color cadillac we like okay we know what that thing is you know he got the he got the curl sometimes he'd ride around with the colored rollers in his hair. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or sometimes he'd just let it down, and he'd just be wavy on you. You're like, that's that nigga. But he was a lot of niggas that's big time you could connect them to something.

You're like, that's they boys. That's where they – he wasn't a nigga like that. Dean was a nigga who came up selling... He made all his little cousins roll joints for him. And he'd get a big ass bag of weed, like a pound of weed, or some nigga like 12 years old

and make all his little cousins roll joints. And they sold joints off to the projects. He turned that into a motherfucking empire of his own shit. But the plug he would fuck with, it wasn't really like the mob. He just was a nigga who had clientele. His clientele was like his clientele.

It wasn't like you come to him, you meet him where he say meet me. He wasn't running an organization. There wasn't no staff or nothing. He was just a baller. And he only sold big shit. So Jerry took me up there to meet his brother. He shot us to the left a little bit for a minute, and then we doubled back again.

We never would have got in if it wasn't for little bro. Like I said, little bro, same mama, same daddy. And Jerry get us up in there. That shit just, that 75 girls changed my whole entire fucking life. Like getting around Dean, getting around that hustle. He was a real fucking player, player, player, like real player. Fucking this kind of nigga that you find a stack of pictures. It's like naked pictures of all the bitches that you wish you had

from all over the city you're like dang that's a bitch so that's that nigga he really gave me that player game he gave me the game on how to make a record

he didn't know how to make a beat. That motherfucker couldn't rap. That motherfucker couldn't play an instrument. But he went and made everybody teach him the game. Where you go to make the record? Who you get to mix it? Where do you go to get the artwork done and the fucking album cover? Where do you go to get the shit mastered?

Who manufactures it? Who you take it to to ship it out? The distributor? And then who you can take it to to ship it out, the distributor and then who you can take it to directly and then you go back like a paper and just pick up all the money and we did that shit for two albums

and then nigga let me ride side by side we used to come down to LA and bust moves pull up on niggas like Ice-T and shit like he was really like Dean was a real fucking player and in the end pull up on niggas like Ice-T and shit. Like, he was really, like, Dean was a real fucking player. And in the end, it was a beautiful thing because I come through his little brother.

His mama ended up being like my mama and shit. Fucking, it's a family thing. We never signed any contracts. So when he, it was like a hobby to him. When he was like, man, I'm through with y'all. We was in a cool position. He gave us the game and let us walk just free, and we just did the same thing he did all over again.

That's how I got in the game. We just duplicated what he showed us. We started Dangerous Music, did the same fucking thing, and probably. Taught you some game. Like how OG is supposed to do with the youngsters coming up. Exactly. Like literally we took like about 10 racks, man, and knocked that shit into about 300,000 over the summer,

fucking around with the independent hustle. Yeah, so why did he just say, fuck it, he was done? Was he hot? Was something going on with him? So, Dean had did, like, a little year in jail in, like, 86. We started fucking around in 85. And in 87 is when we shut it down. So he did about a year.

He came home from the year. And I felt like, man, you come home, your hustle kind of gets set back a little bit. And you're thinking, ground level, I'm going to build this shit back up. He still had all the same plugs. I just feel like we was in the way, man. He was about to get back on his grind And do his thing And that music shit

We was real dependent You know what I mean We was real Like Clingy and shit And needed shit And we all up in the nigga house And nigga

This little brother and homie And we came with a lot I looked Back then We was like Damn bro You gonna You gonna kick us out the game

But When we look back on it Nigga gave us the game So Yeah he figured He'd talk to all y'all Need to know He was about to get back On his hustle But yeah damn, bro, you going to kick us out of the game? But when we look back on it, it gave us the game. Yeah, he figured he'd talk to all y'all need to know. He was about to get back on his hustle. But, yeah, he got mad at me and Lil Bruh. I think he faked the whole thing.

I think he just faked it, faked like he was mad at us. Like, man, y'all niggas know I'm going to fuck out my shit now. But we was free to go. Man, that's cool. And that was a crucial era back then, man. That's where L.A. and Oakland parallel that because both cities had major kingpins, man. What did you see as far as Oakland, man? What was the, what impact did crack have on the community up there?

Well, I'm high school class of 84. So I'm right there. 84 is when somebody, you know, okay, look, you got 82, 83. It's a whole lot of motherfuckers pulling up in their little bins or something, you know. You see, like, the older niggas, like, hey, man, them niggas, they be, you know, freebasing and shit, man. You know, a motherfucker would even say, yeah, you know, me and my bitch, we be smoking, man. You know, I'm smoking coke. Motherfucker was talking about that shit like it was baller shit.

So you sitting there going... Back then, it was. That was the rich man's drug. So you looking at you niggas saying Freebasing. You looking at Freebasing as like a fly thing in 1982, 83. So one day

in 84, somebody goes on such and such block, they selling this shit. You could just get a piece of that shit in free base for $10. So that's how this shit was marketed at first. And motherfuckers flocked to that shit. They ran. So high school class of 84. Niggas is like, if you got a few thousand, you doing good.

You doing good. You cool. You got a little car. You put some rims on your shit. You got a few thousand, you doing good. You doing good. You cool. You got a little car. You put some rims on your shit. You got a little beat in your shit. You keep a fucking rubber band with a hundred on top looking like you're somebody and shit. Niggas respecting that. Your hustle. You keep a few

thousand in a shoebox under the bed. You good. That's at the beginning. That's before this shit. Nigga, right? You got a cool little car you spend like $2500 on it put some wheels on it you cool got an Earl Shaw paint job you cool niggas is like respecting your young hustle right after that

I remember just off one block like 99th and Plymouth so many niggas got rich off that one block I'm not talking about niggas making a few hundred thousand. Them niggas got rich. Well, see, it was different then. And then it just, just everywhere there used to be a,

they used to sell heroin, they used to motherfucking sell weed. It was whatever. All them shits turned out to be fucking cracks. I remember some niggas opening up shopping in apartments. When it started getting real, they had the two apartments where you could just come in the gate and it's only one way in, one way out. They love that.

Man, them niggas got that shit popping. The other niggas showed up. Knocked a few niggas down. That's when the shit started. It was like, give me your shit. Y'all ain't even tough enough to have. It's just, give me your apartments. It just boosted everybody. So then I'm high school.

That was the money for a cat that's just hanging on the block. Man, come on. If I didn't go to school and said, fuck school, nigga, I'm selling dope. That was the way to get it. But that shit turned into, like, before that, it was like some old put-em-up shit, you know,

sling it out or whatever. After that, it was like little niggas, like this little nigga, you know, be a little nigga like, that nigga was a mark in high school.

That nigga was like a boss after that crack because he got so much money and had his little army and shit. Like, that nigga, that nigga's a boss now. That nigga can get you hurt.

You know? That's still going on today. Money gives some niggas certain courage but it was a long run of a lot of different rules of before you know the fucking clips and the the fullies and shit it was a whole different run of like street like that wasn't

but crack crack fucked Oakland the fuck up pour a little liquor and roll something up like street life that wasn't, but crack, crack, fuck, Oakland to fuck up. Pour a little liquor and roll something up. The Gangster Chronicles. We'll be right back. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more.

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you get your podcasts. So y'all, this is Questlove, and I'm here to tell you about a new podcast I've been working on with the Story Pirates and John Glickman called Historical Records. It's a family-friendly podcast. Yeah, you heard that right. A podcast for all ages. One you can listen to and enjoy with your kids starting on September 27th. I'm going to toss it over to the host of Historical Records, Nimany, to tell you all about it. Make sure you check it out.

Hey, y'all. Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand-new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Historical Records brings history to life through hip hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history.

Like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it. Did you know, did you know, I wouldn't give up my seat. Nine months before Rosa, it was Claudette Goldman. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's up? This is Ramses Jha. And I go by the name Q Ward. And we'd like you to join us each

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change in your home, workplace, and social circle. Exactly. Whether you're black, Asian, white, Latinx, indigenous, LGBTQIA+, you name it. If you stand with us, then we stand with you. Let's discuss the stories and conduct the interviews that will help us create a more empathetic, accountable and equitable America. You are all our brothers and sisters, and we're inviting you to join us for Civic Cipher each and every Saturday with myself, Ramses Jha, Q Ward and some of the greatest minds in America. Listen to Civic Cipher every Saturday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Where are you at? This is OG Gangsta Granny, and the Gangsta Chronicles podcast is back in effect.

Get ready for some of that G shit and blaze up some Guatemala. Like it, man. A lot of cities. Everything. Let me ask you this, and this is mostly for Aiden James, it's for you, too, too.

What's the difference? You think it hit each city different? Like, you think it hit Compton the same way, James? Different, but you got the same results. It hit everything. Everything is going to be different because the way they got down in Oakland, the way you get down in Chicago, it's totally different. The way they wrap their shit, the way they sell it.

Like in Compton, you had 30 motherfuckers on the block, but they was all homies. Everybody was like this at the beginning. Let's get a year in, eight months in it. Now everybody's going to fell apart, and now we fighting over that block and that block. And then you get the same thing in Oakland. You got the same fucking effect.

Now it's over territory. You know what I'm saying? But the cool part is, you know, some got out of it because they couldn't deal with it. Like you said, the mark in school, now he got the money, now he's a shot caller. You had a whole bunch of them in the neighborhood. You know, them was the good boys, and the good boys always made the motherf the money. Now he's a shot caller. You had a whole bunch of them in the neighborhood. You know, them was the good boys.

And the good boys always made the motherfucking money. But you can't be mad at that motherfucker because you got the gangbangers. They ain't trying to do that. They trying to gangbang. They ain't focused like the next nigga was. So it's all pretty much the same way. Yeah, that was the conflict of interest in L.A. was the nigga from the hood who got too rich.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you had your certain niggas, like you said. Certain niggas was hustlers like a motherfucker. Certain neighborhoods. It seemed like every hood, you know, Compton or whatever, Watts, L.A., every hood had the couple of niggas who just had to sack. Them was just real.

And then you just had the couple of niggas, like you said, James, it was a few of us that was 10 niggas on the block trying to rush the same car. You get me? That's your grind. You had to grind. Yeah, so it had the same effect.

Hustle to hustle. I had a homie who was doing, he was real big. And he fell all the way the fuck off. Just bad luck, bad luck, bad luck. And that nigga was like, that nigga was like, went in the trenches with the motherfucking hoodie and the dressing all black and shit. He started using his own shit. Fuck, nah, this nigga went and bought it.

Somebody give him a kilo, nigga, and sold that shit. She sold a few kilos and all fucking rocks until he got money again. He went back from being, he dropped his whole baller status and went to be

a corner nigga again. But he did it in a baller way. Instead of like building his way up, he went and got somebody in front of him the whole thing,

family member, whatever, and he just chipped away and just shit took place. Some of our OGs are homies. You got to get back, man. That came, that mentality to stay low key, you know. I've seen lots of dudes from my neighborhood and in Compton, whatever,

who didn't play that, you know. You know them niggas was ballers and a motherfucker, but they kind of went low key with the floss, you know what I'm saying? I was talking about it the other day. A lot of niggas was just doing pocket change, too. Niggas was ballers as a motherfucker, but they kind of went low-key with the floss. You know what I'm saying? I was talking about that. A lot of niggas was just doing pocket change, too. Niggas was cool. Let me go stand up the block for two days.

A day of cool. Niggas pulling up with motherfucking pentos and shit, motherfucking work shirts on and shit like that. That's even like the music business. Like, when y'all started rapping, you didn't see too many brothers in Compton, L.A., juried out. And then when they started seeing it, everybody had to do it.

Yeah, definitely. And that's all it is. It's a fucking trend, and everybody say, fuck it. Like, you see that motherfucker roll with them rims on his shit? Oh, I got to go get that, but I'm going to do something different. Exactly.

And that's how they was getting the biggest fattest motherfuckers had the baddest bitches. The niggas would not do one thing that they should have did and hindsight whatever but man motherfuckers should have washed that money up and nobody wanted to do it. I remember it being

out there because it was so much money out there I remember hearing the talk motherfuckers like you can give your money to so and so some clean cut motherfucker who had a plan and he was like give me your money and I'll give you half your money back

legitimately set up in like businesses and shit in the bank and niggas was like nigga I'm gonna give you a million dollars you're gonna give me 500 fuck you yeah if a nigga would have did that bank. And niggas are like, nigga, I'm going to give you a million dollars. You're going to give me 500. Fuck you. Yeah, it was a few. If the nigga would have did that, a lot of us shit. We go to

the shoebox with the shit and say fuck it. But you could have played the loan version better. Exactly. The white boys do it. We wasn't taught a lot of that shit. You know, the white boy game with the going there. A lot of us was just taught to just stack the bread,

stack the bread, stack the bread. Yeah, because it was straightened only one way. I think, like Short said, there was a man that came to him and offered him the opportunity to wash their shit and I think sometimes, man, niggas just had eight in their mind. It's not right, but collectively, if all these cities

in America that got ate up by crack would have fucking invested the crack money back in the community it might have been the way we see other ethnic groups take dirty money and go legit back in Oakland because let's go back like

75 girls I'm talking about buying up all the buildings on the main street I'm talking about buying all the houses on your block that type of shit it was some people that did it and I ain't gonna say the dude's name. One brother did do it. They still watched him. I mean, because back then, you gotta figure out shit.

Everything was set up and designed for you to not succeed anyway as a black man. Whatever your shit was. And you know how hard they came down on niggas who was serving and shit. Motherfucker, they give your ass a thousand years and shit. For real, there's a lot of brothers still locked up.

Let's go to this, 75 girls, era's over with. Now you bump up to another dude, Ted Bohannon. That's the next level. We come out of the situation with Dean. It's me and his little brother. We bring on his first cousin, Randy.

We go looking around through West Oakland and East Oakland trying to find one of these big ballers because now we got the formula. It ain't like when I pulled up on Dean and I didn't know shit and I'm learning shit. Now we know how to flip this shit. All we need now is the money.

So I'm pulling up on dudes that I've been selling tapes to for years. Motherfuckers know I put a real record out. They know it's next level. So I'm like up on dudes that I've been selling tapes to for years. Motherfuckers know I put a real record out. They know, you know, it's next level. So I'm like, bro, this shit flip real easy. But it's 1987, and the numbers I'm saying, when you tell a nigga, bro, I can show you how we can hit a quick 100,000, quick 200,000, that shit sound like penis to them.

And it's like they laughing at me and shit. Like, nigga, you know how much, how quick I i make two hundred thousand they got i'll go flip that shit in tomorrow and i'm like my nigga but so i'm getting i'm like it's like i'm going from bank to bank and niggas is like no i don't want to do it i don't want to do it like homies too like motherfuckers who i consider homies is like like nah it's a rap game was too new for him and shit. It's like that new product and shit. So Ted had one of his dudes in his crew who was named Ali. And he was like one of them loud motherfuckers, you know, just out-talk you and out-laugh you and out-shit-talk you

and just one of them motherfuckers. And he was like the hype man. And I wasn't there when it went down, but they said after I hollered at Ted, me and Ted was real cool through the tape hustle and shit and just, you know, selling custom-made tapes and, you know what I'm saying? He was supporting the Too Short for Ready to Be movement. And then Ted was like, nah, I'm cool. And then we left.

And he said, Ali went into his, the whole yelling and screaming shit, like, dang, fuck that man, he's too short or something. If you knew him, you'd know, one of them loud motherfuckers would just be like, fuck that, you gotta do that shit. And talked him into it.

So, you know, he came back, and all he said is that he agreed to spend, like, a few G's, like, just to get studio time, and get, you know, get the shit going, and then at some point in there, I don't know if the music, or the hustle, or what it was, he just, without saying, all right, man, I'm going to spend $10,000 or I'm going to spend $15,000 or whatever, he just started taking care of the movement. So you got eight, ten niggas moving every day. We hustling and shit. But this nigga feeding all these niggas.

This nigga, he like, we ain't finna be riding around four deep in the car. So he pull out four cars, all four of his cars. You drive that one, you drive that one. Who got the license to drive that one? So we riding around in a caravan, and the nigga's like really making it look right, it wasn't just like, I'm gonna put you in the studio, he was making the nigga look right, like nigga, when I own the Born to Mack album cover, nigga like sit in his car, put all this jewelry on, nigga let's sell it, so that's what that was, and then

we go to a show, we pull in up Mobb Deep, Fly Ass Cars. Niggas is singing that shit going, oh, they're short now. So we set the standard to a certain level, and we kept it there. And then it was just like that. The money started coming in. We got more Fly Ass Cars, and we had that look. So I put that on Ted that he made the whole Born to Mack. We got to deal

with Jive Off Born to Mack. He made that whole Born to Mack movement, like, look real fly. Yeah, that's right. And them niggas, you know, at the time, coming out of, like, 1985, 86, being around Dean Hodges and Dean's house, Dean was the kind

of nigga who, he got a big-ass bankroll in this sock. He got a bag of heroin in this sock. He got some cocaine powder in this sock. He got some cocaine rocks in this sock. He giving everybody that come in the house what they want. He giving all the bitches what they want. It's like ballplayers, professional ballplayers coming up. He got the, you know, you sit down, you get to hang out with Dean.

The bitches is in the living room in the panty, or the bitch come walking up the hallway, titties out. She just walks back to the back. You're like, damn, he's that nigga. But everything's there. As soon as you come in, the cocaine is on. Everything's free. It's a big-ass box of weed under the seat in the living room, under the chair.

It's just everything. It's just like just grab you some papers, roll you a joint, put some powder up in it, take your line, walk back to the back. It was that. In the studio, the cocaine tray sat on the board at all times. He kept these old school musician niggas. They love that shit. This nigga over there whipping his in a little jar,

hitting the fucking pipe in front of everybody. This broad over here snorting 85 fucking lines. God damn. You know what I'm saying? How you working around that? I'm 19 years old, nigga. That shit was fun. That motherfucking shit was thrilling. I found myself in the movie.

I was looking at the movie, writing about it, and now I'm in the motherfucking... Well, like you said, there was some baller shit back then. It wasn't... See, we didn't know the effects of crack until the fine bras that was walking down the street that you said used to be beautiful. And they turned into monsters. They turned into monsters. We didn't know the effects. It was just like some baller shit because

the ballers back in my day, they smoked Primos. Yeah, so we doing that. We crunching up the little rock and the shit and playing around. So that's how I was getting to. So two years of like in that lifestyle, then I get with ted bohan and crew and them niggas is them niggas would go somewhere and and cook up like a thing and then after they finished putting it here and there it's all this leftover shit dust everywhere

and i'm like the shit that they would these niggas will wash down the sink there's some shit that the other niggas will party on all night. And them niggas be like, they done. They got the profits bagged up. They throw all this shit down the sink. They wasn't fucking with it. Nigga, they would smoke weed, but they wasn't getting too drunk. They wasn't getting the fucking. They had a different mentality of the hustle.

If you was a snorter or any of that shit they'd be like bro don't even hang around they didn't like that shit they despised that whole little usage of cocaine so around them I seen I wasn't gonna be the oddball or be like the goofball nigga and be like I'm the user in the

crew I'll just cut that shit out of my life all that one on one shit just let it go. Fuck it. I remember I started fucking with Tia and them in 87. And I just kind of like just shook all that shit because that ain't how they rode. And then it was one nigga in his crew. My nigga CNH was the only one who loud and clear in front of everybody. Nigga, what?

What? What? What? He still snorting his shit. He lied with it and just everything. But he a boss. He got money, so he can do that. And then I went to his house to watch the Super Bowl in 1988.

I will never forget this fucking day. A whole crew over there, we watched the Super Bowl. Chris, at his house, he was being a little more loose with it, and he was a higher up in the crew, so he wasn't really being judged by the rest of them. That was just his style. So I was like, I'm going to hit this shit. I took a one-on-one, nigga.

And I got to sweating. I ain't touched this shit probably in like eight months or something. I got to sweating. I ain't tell nobody what I was going through. I went in the bathroom. Now, nigga, sweating buckets. I'm looking in the mirror like, fuck. Like, nigga, what the fuck did I just do?

Like, now a nigga like sitting on the toilet with the toilet seat closed like, fuck. You know what I'm saying? Then a nigga end up in this motherfucker like, you know, that prayer. You're like, God, let me get through this shit. I'm thinking my heart going wrong, all kind of shit. I come out that bathroom. You couldn't give me no cocaine for fucking 20 years after that. I was like, fuck all that shit. That was my lesson learned.

I was cool. It just fucked you up. It probably was one of them high doses, man. Exactly. Probably some shit that was pure. I have no idea, but that was enough for me. Just getting around the conditioning of some players and ballers that look down on that behavior.

That lifestyle and shit. And then hitting it back again and going, oh, hell no. Like, fuck that. Well, see, you're talking about some not only legendary deep boys, but CNH wound up being the one that put out Yuck and them. Yeah, exactly. Wound up putting out Drew down in the loonies. So everybody had it.

And I can see that now. You say he was a little bit more outspoken. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Chris was loud and wild. He had the long-ass hair and liked to talk and make a hair wave and shit. It was wild. Yeah, man.

So y'all out there on Smash pretty much now, man. Y'all got the thing going because I know it hit L.A. VIP Records, they had to take and everything because, you know, I talked to Cal Maness and that's what he talked about. He said, man,

I remember shorting him just to come in here with a thousand tapes and we'd buy all a thousand of them motherfuckers and he'd be up the road somewhere.

So y'all literally was just trunked like city to city off the trunk. You knew the people you could drop them off with, come back and get it later. You knew the people

that would just buy them outright and then I knew the little one stops that would ship it out to other stores and people I didn't know. So we just knew that. Literally, bro, I ain't going to fucking lie. I had nothing to go on on how to run this business except drug dealing.

So basically we looked at everything like it was the cop. You flip the shit. You make your profit. You save your rehab money. You flip the shit. I didn't even know how to think about the shit any other way and literally that's what we did we we just was selling dope i even called this shit dope theme music it was dope that was that was this mentality because there was a lot of dudes who was out the trunk back then even down here like i say say, the Todd and Spade and all them. We had a few dudes

who was trying to go that route. No matter how much motherfucking money I made off music, and I was getting it, I was never the nigga in the crew. You know, the niggas with the money, I never got up where they was at. Never. So, man, so y'all

rolling now, man. I want you to go back to that exact moment man when Jive Records called you I want to know how was you feeling man like what happened Jive wasn't really like it wasn't like niggas was jumping for joy and like all happy cause the label called it's

1988 when I got the call from Jive we've been running this Born to Mack. I'm about to put another album together. I was about to put The Life is Too Short together and just keep doing what I do. And Jive called. And it was never about the money they was offering. It wasn't even about a label deal.

It was really like, I'm like, okay, these are the motherfuckers that put out Kumo D, Houdini, who else they had at the time? That was enough right there for me, though, because Kumo D was top dog. Steady B. Right. Kumo D was top dog. Houdini got a damn good run.

Kumo D, Houdini, they had Steady B. Right when they signed me, they signed Boogie Down Productions. They signed me. They signed Will Smith, Fresh Prince. Mm-hmm. And they was, you know, they was just into it. It was going there, you know? So I'm like...

And I think it was a good choice. Jive had a lot of the good artists back then. Jive was a... It was the right type of label for what I was doing, because they wasn't really... Def Jam was like know-it-all. I would have went over to Def Jam, signed up, and Russell would have probably been manipulating me, pushing me in a certain direction and convincing me because they know more than me.

Like, do this, do that. They would have made a nigga be some kind of superstar or some shit. I was like, nah, nigga. I'm the nigga that'll do a show for 25,000 people and walk right the fuck off the stage into the crowd.

Not back to the backstage, right to the motherfucking crowd and start fucking with the people in the crowd and don't give a fuck. Like, literally walk through the whole damn arena and Def Jam wouldn't let me,

they wouldn't let me do that. Def Jam was like you gotta have you gotta be a superstar you gotta be can't be you know yeah they probably would've over over ate an RGO project they would've

tried to change you up they like you wanna be a pimp we gonna make you super pimp and some shit yeah but I was a thousand extras speaking of the pimp

and let's depart from that man I gotta ask this I always wanted to ask you was you ever really a fucking pimp? So, the dream was you know, your parents be like, I need you to go do something productive in the world.

And then you rebelling with this hip-hop shit. Nobody's believing that the shit gonna work. So my backup plan was always I think I could break plan was always I think I could break a hoe. I think I could do this shit. So never had to do it

out of necessity. But later in life, shit just started happening, man. My homies who really pimp that I've been hanging around my whole life, it's funny to them. And some of them

even would get mad at me for not taking advantage, because we'd be in the moment, and some bitch would be starstruck on too short, but then she's a real hoe, and she'd be hitting like, nigga, what? I would, I would. You know what I'm saying? And then I'd just kind of like shake it off. They're like, bruh,

you fucking up. Like, you could be the biggest pimp out here. And I'm like, nigga, if I'm the biggest pimp out here and I'm making two short records, I'm going to jail, nigga. Like, this shit is incriminating instantly. So, I had a little thing that I would do, man.

It's just like, I just get my feet wet a little bit. Like, I felt like if I had to tell a bitch to go hoe for me, then I'm doing too much. But if a hoe came to me and said I'll fuck with you and just be giving me money, then I'm like, I'll fuck with you

too. And I knew how to play the role and I purposely like all the bitches that got down with me for however long they got down if they think back on it they'd be like this motherfucker never did used to ask me for the money like as a pimp you'd be like bitch what you got I would just

be like you know the moment we see each other you know what the transaction is but I'm not I'm not gonna be like oh that's all you got I'm just I'm taking it like you're taking it like oh shit bread but then you know I lived in Vegas for 10 years

this is different when a bitch is like a wild cat out there like really on the prowl every day 6-7 days a week and she just working that's a job for you it sounds like she's doing all

the work, but I promise you I promise you if you had two bitches running routes every day you can't really do much else with your life except tending them two bitches because it's that much of a job

just keeping them on track. I mean, luckily in some situations, it's worth it because if you got if each one of them bros is making $15, $20 a month and they're giving it all to you and it's just you and them two bros and 40 G's is a nice

lifestyle, you know? Exactly. So, I just can't deal with like. So, I just, I can't deal with, like, okay, I go do a weekend of concerts. I'm getting, you know, 10 racks for a club, 15, 20 for these big radio shows, different shit,

and I'm going out, like, every weekend doing something. And then, here go the bitch, she running, like, five racks a week, but the bitch is bitch is like stressing me the fuck out. Like she got rights in my life. Or what the fuck. Like bitch call her four in the morning.

What you doing? I'm just sitting there. Oh, you just sitting on your ass while I'm out here running from the police? Like bitch, fuck you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like it gets to the point. She really thought she was your hoe. She really wanted that. No, they be thinking more than that. They be thinking like. I'm saying so it's like it gets to the point she really thought she was your hoe and she really wanted that

no they be thinking more than that they be thinking like I'm they be thinking other shit too like they be like I'm a hoe for two years

and then this nigga gonna marry me we gonna have a family they be thinking all kind of shit like it be it's always a it's always a

something would happen like that there's always a goal at the end you ain't even gonna get her a hoe right if you don't give her a goal there's gotta be a goal

so I just learned that man that old fucking therapist shit and that fucking 4 in the morning call with a drunk crazy bitch talking shit ain't worth it ain't worth the bitch coming in the door saying look I stole a Rolex and hit a nigga safe for $15,000

that shit make you feel good at the moment but it ain't worth it in the long run. When I'm sitting out here fucking, I got me a good ass hustle, and a bitch get mad and say, uh, oh, I bet Vice would like to know what you really do. Like, bitch, the bitch just

pushing buttons, but at the same time, what if the bitch did go down to the motherfucking Vice and like, make up some wild ass story? That's a goddamn chance every pimp take, though. So it was a chance I didn't want to take. So like I said, like I said, like I said, I avoided that shit skillfully. Some niggas laughed it off, thought it was funny. Other niggas was like, nigga, you crazy for not indulging.

But I think I made the right choice. It wasn't what I wanted to do full-time, but I think I made the right choice. It wasn't what I wanted to do full-time, so I couldn't do it part-time. And at the end of the day, you got all these records to what you talking about. You pimping, and the broad con of the vice, they gonna say, oh, we got the mag of the motherfucking deal.

Exactly. You know how they do that. You're telling your own story on the motherfucking record right there. I was at the NBA All-Star, and this hoe came up to me, and she was just talking and shit. She was a hoe, I guess, and she was talking to her out of pocket, whatever. But the bitch was

saying something to me about pimping and hoeing, and I just was, you know, it's a fly-ass event or whatever. I'm like, I'm like, look, I don't, you know, I be making records and shit. I ain't really, like, out here pimping no hoes and she said what she's like nigga

I thought you was a cousin of mine she called some niggas that baby guess what this nigga too sure they ain't no real pimp so I'm with these

gangsta ass niggas and this bitch get to like like two three sentences into some like disrespectful shit and niggas was like bruh you gonna say this one time

man get that bitch man just get her she was hurt she was get her she was hurt her feelings was hurt the reality of what they depict as you as an artist and what they hear on the music it confuses a lot of people

but everybody look at it like that if I'm rapping about killing and beating up motherfuckers this is what the perception of you is. You got damn right. They feel you lived that life. So ain't nothing wrong with pimping, part-time pimping, or just stagnating in the pimping game.

I'm here. I'm there. I got some bitches. It is what it is. But I can't live like that. When Spice One went on his first tour, niggas was like, nigga, let me see how gangster you are, homie. When DJ Quick went on his first tour, niggas was like, nigga, let me see how gangster you are, homie. When DJ Quick went on his first tour,

that nigga had to fight every crip in America. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I said, sometimes the fans will test your motherfucking abilities and shit when you portray. I mean, you do in certain ways but I could say when we went on tour

we really didn't get fucked with that much by a lot of cats whether it was Crips or Bloods or niggas from a lot of different sections first time NWA went to San Diego it was like blood thirst it's like there's nothing but Bloods out here the first time we went to San Diego, it was like bloodthirst. It's like, there's nothing but bloods out here. I mean, shit, the first time we went

to what, shit? First time I went to motherfucking, was it Flagstaff or Phoenix or something like that? Not Phoenix, but something else. Motherfucker. Tucson. Oh my God. Tucson. They said, oh my God. When I'm talking about

nigga came out the dressing room, and our asses come down there. We get on stage, curtain closed. We got our blue head to toe and shit. When I'm talking about they pulled that curtain back, and it was a motherfucking arena, and all we saw was red. I'm talking about girls with red rag belts on and bo-rets and combs and everything. I was like, oh, my God. Y'all still had to go out there, though. Goddamn right.ats and cones and everything. I was like, oh my God.

Y'all still had to go out there though. God damn right. We was paid, got paid, everything. But they was loving y'all shit though.

It was cool as a motherfucker. But they still wasn't the bagged up. They still wasn't the bagged up. Oh, they gonna let you

perform and I am just talking about blood, it's Crips too, same situation. They gonna let you perform, but soon as your

motherfucking ass get through performing, let's believe some niggas at the back door ready. Because they want to know, because you got to remember this, dog. You got a nigga that's sitting at home all day, and he don't take his bitch to the show with him, right? She's sitting around all day talking about, whoa, what the hell if a nigga you is? And so he go there, he about to try to show out in front of that bitch like, I'm going to show you this nigga ain't no nigga like me.

He a rap nigga. I'm a real nigga. So, you know, it's a whole bunch of situations like that you know speaking of gangster shit short we are called the gangster chronicles man so you're going through this period man with these guys things is going good man y'all out there selling a lot of records man and then and they selling a lot of dope at the same time too. A lot of dope being sold at the same time. So at some point, y'all have a separation. Yeah, we got a good five-year run. We ran from, what, 87 to about 93.

We got a good run in. And it just, you know, Menace to Society, the movie, started the end of our little click, that click with Ted Bohannon. It was, I don't know if it was just time, but it always, when you look back on these situations, you go, this shit was so small compared to what the big picture was. But I do Menace to in society and we got a company together we run Dangerous Music we have a company we're partners in the company and he got a pretty good return on his money cause

the initial investment you know bought him in as a partner and we made a lot of fucking money as a company cause we started signing other artists too and it was going real good and we all did our part you know even though Ted was in the streets he was truly

all the way into the label and we was we made all decisions we ran this shit and I went to do Menace to Society and mind you we fall out as a crew different members of the crew we fall out whatever a crew. Different members of the crew.

We fall out. Whatever. We all get it back. My niggas I fuck with now. It's always been that way. And Chris came down to L.A. The CMH? Yeah, he came down.

He came and sniffed around the set. And just pulled up on the motherfucking shit. And, you know, we all good and shit. And Chris, the men's society, they paid me like 60 racks of some shit. Something like that. And I remember I got

the check and it was like 30 racks. They just automatically took the shit out. I got a $30,000 check to be in the men's society. It wasn't really, it was the movie look. Who took the shit out. I got a $30,000 check to be in Men's Society. It was the movie look. Who took the money out? The check came to me. It's some shit I went and did.

I'm not making music. It was for being in the movie. I'm not making music. It's not a part of our music thing. I just went and got a little side hustle and did the shit. Chris went back and said that they... he told teddy he was like you know he did probably did the hype voice like man he gave me a hundred thousand he didn't even know something and then ted hits me up he was like yeah man we heard you i got a hundred racks and you know shit i mean you

ain't doing the business right and blah blah i'm like bro that's we did we got a music company like if i if i was to go off and be an actor or something, I'm not giving y'all a percentage of that shit. This is not music. So, Tez, my nigga, we love ones to this day. We had a long fallout, but we love ones to this day. And he said to me,

at some point, he said, well, fuck it, man. Just send me my check. He kind of tapped out. I don't fuck with y'all no more. He kind of tapped out. He said, just send me my money.

Before I could get into that, I got... Niggas got crews. We got different niggas you fuck with all around the city. I got some little wild bunch of niggas I run with who I really hang out with. Because Ted and them, they was always on the safe side, laid back. They didn't really like clubbing a lot and all that.

So I had my little wild bunch that I run around with. And I'm like, I'm consulting in my niggas. I'm like, man, this nigga said, you know, just give him his money. And then niggas just kind of fall back and don't really participate. So we looking at this shit like, that's like pimping to me, like, nigga, I'm gonna kick back at home, go get my money and bring my money back, bitch. So when he say, let me

elaborate, so when he say, give me my money, he's sharing the company. Yeah, he wanted to share, okay, I'll tell you something about the company. He was like, if you're gonna keep your $100,000 from the movie, which I told him, nigga, I said, bro, they gave me $30,000, it's my money, whatever. So, he said, if you're gonna keep the money, then nigga, I ain't fucking with you, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm like, well, damn, bro.

Man, niggas always fuck up some good shit. I'm like, man, I can't work and pay you a percentage and you not hustling with me. I just can't do that. So then the shit, it got, it was one little gangster moment. And now, mind you, at the same time, my niggas that I'm running with, this shit gets real complicated in like 93, 92, 93. My niggas that I'm running with are now involved in a murder, death, kill, all-out war with niggas that's affiliated with Ted.

So Ted and them, they tell me one day, they like, they like, if we see them and you with them, we ain't gonna try to miss you. That we all hanging out, eating or something,

chopping it up, smoking. We music niggas, and the niggas say, if we see you with them, we ain't gonna try to miss. It ain't gonna be no special treat. So, it just started getting real political for me. You're gonna get popped, too.

So, then when that part happened, so, the part happened where he said, we'll just give my money. The shit just started falling apart. So, E-40 did this yearly picnic out the way, out there where they're from, Fairfield Vallejo. And we go to the E-40 picnic. And we just happened to, like, you know, we got mobbed deep. Whatever, whatever, whatever.

But on this day, we go out there, five niggas in one car and one pistol. And the pistol was my pistol. So, I got the little strap on me. Had like a little Glock on me. And then we pull up in the park. We like a little Glock on me. And then we pulled up

in the park. We wasn't even tripping on like, you just always have a strap. We wasn't tripping on that we gotta have a strap. It wasn't even that thought. But then we pulled up on a Tidnum at the picnic. It's a big ass park. There's thousands of motherfuckers out here. Like it's

packed. And we pull up on 10 now and they work this little like like this little maneuver like uh kinda spread out a little bit and

these niggas like money niggas and shit like you got the little street niggas and shit but it's like niggas in like money mode, we going to the E40 picnic we ain't really like coming to this motherfucker for aas and shit, but it's like, niggas in, like, money mode. We're going to the E-40 picnic. We ain't really, like, coming to this motherfucker for a fight and that and all that shit. And they start, it kind of, like, the approach and shit, he come over to me, and he telling me the whole

shit, like, kind of, like, kind of check me, you know what I mean? And I was with one of the homies, he was, like, before we walked up on him, he was like, give me that strap. So he plop, plop. And Ted talked a little bit. And he said, man, we ain't really trying to hear all this shit right now, man.

We ain't finna give you nothing. It ain't finna be like that or whatever the fuck. And the niggas say, because they was like, the niggas was like, they got angles on us, all kind of shit. And the niggas say, you can tell these nigg niggas was like up, they got angles on us, all kind of shit. The niggas say, you can tell these niggas to do anything you want to. He said, you show them the strap, he said, all I know is, I don't give a fuck what they do, I'm killing you out here.

All them niggas stood down. We went and enjoyed the picnic. Ain't nobody had no problem with nobody. I think later on, at the end of the picnic they tried to catch one of my rapper homies Goldie and sent him

through some drama or some shit chased him up out of there or something kind of walked into his car chasing him that's all that happened from there on I basically kind of calmed down a little bit. We talked after a while and was like, you know, brother, it's just already in the contract.

We got together as partners and we just dissolved the company. And you take your cut and keep it pushing. So I had two partners back then, Randy, which was Dean's cousin, and Ted. Jerry had fault. He fell out way back, way down the line. We lost Jerry, the little brother, we lost him he didn't have the health, he mad at me right now love me like a brother but

stay mad at me, but the politics bro, so then I literally just it was probably when I moved to Atlanta I broke Ted off something you know, this the company, I broke Randy off something, You know, the company. I broke Randy off something, the company.

And I just changed the whole shit. And I ain't looking back since. So, it was, you know, it was supposed to happen, though. We could have, like, crisp the whole shit, the politics. It could have been without that shit, man. But, you know. So, pretty much just the average nigga Taylor. Nig a nigga running back talking about some shit he don't know telling somebody something on kicked up a whole bunch of dust

man I made way more money that's pretty much I made way more money after that than I did before all that shit the best was yet to come they had no idea I was finna go on a run and they jumped shit so that's cool

shit it normally happens like that. Carmel's a motherfucker. I mean, you know, a nigga could have fell off after that, or it could have been, you know, whatever. James, how often do we have them conversations, man? Because it all goes back, and this is old stuff, but it all goes back to CNAs coming down, pretty much almost like with a tenant just kicking up,

starting some shit. But that kind of was his personality. We just wasn't supposed to it wasn't supposed to get that serious you know if i got on the phone and say bro i've really got 30 racks explaining to him that's mine he could have been like we was getting money from different shit like it could have been like the thing is this bro we got a podcast together right if james go out there tomorrow and they say man we want to book you to play this part of the thing he go get a million dollars me and they can't come at him like, James, man, what's up? We need to cut it out.

You know, that don't make no sense. That, what'd I tell you when you said that? If they take me, they don't take all three, they ain't fucking me. I'm not talking about no pocket. I'm saying, come on, bro. This a movie situation. Fuck that shit. It's still there.

If I can't get none of that, it's a fucking problem. The cool part about it is you have what we call clicks. The homie's kicking it. But then at the end of the day, before we get rich, somebody fall off the motherfucker. Because now we're thinking, damn, I see this nigga counting his money. I went to the bathroom. I know he puts them in his pocket. That's how we think. Right. Now we're thinking, oh, I see this nigga count his money. I went to the bathroom. I know he puts them in his pocket. That's how we think.

Right. Now we think it all fucked up. Now our relationship, our friendship is fucked up. I wonder if he got more than I got. Exactly. I wonder if he got more than what I made. I watched that shit with Suge and his company, with all these different motherfuckers that was in it,

how people was mad, how much money they was making, and what they wasn't getting. And it fucks everything up. We can't work together. That's why I tell him, Gangster Chronicles is going to work together. Brian come to this motherfucker, no, y'all ain't got to pay me, I'm just fucking with y'all.

Bullshit, we all finna get a check. We all going to eat. Exactly. And we don't have to, but the ones that didn't want to be there worked their way out the situation. Definitely. And it's just like,

it's a cycle. So when I look back on all this shit, though, I go on like runs. Like it's just a run. We get a run. I get a run in with a group of people and we get a bag

and we on that run and it's going to come to an end and some of us going to stay friends for life and some of us going to forget each other and we's going to come to an end and some of us are going to stay friends for life and some of us are going to forget each other and we're going to never see each other again and we got to run. It's been so long now. I could have been best friends with a motherfucker

for three years from 1989 to 92. We're best friends. I don't even remember that motherfucker right now. It's been that many places and faces and set up shops. You know what I'm saying? Real motherfuckers don't come and go like that. I mean, when they fake and shit, they don't come and go.

Real motherfuckers should be around if y'all got the same agenda. Y'all trying to reach the same motherfucking destination. But fake motherfuckers, they just want to get in at that point in time, jump on the motherfucking train, and then jump off when it's a better situation. Let me ask you a question short. I ain't trying to be messy. We ain't one of them type of shows.

But that situation wouldn't have nothing to do with the reason why CNA's got that ass with him, would it? See, it's all related, but it's all related, but what happened after that, so, I moved to Atlanta, basically because niggas that I knew and loved was killing the fuck out of each other.

And it wasn't coming to an end. It was like, really, this small-ass city, like, just, it's probably like if a war was going on in Compton, it had nothing to do with L.A., and it's like a Compton thing. It's like really just small ass city. It's probably like if a war was going on in Compton, they had nothing to do with LA. And it's like a Compton thing. It's like a straight East Oakland thing. And it's a fucking war.

And the city's so small, you can't even really get gas. You can't use a phone booth. You can't motherfucking stop by your auntie house because everybody know everything. Know where the fuck you be. So niggas is getting it. Like a nigga who you know, you know this nigga stay on the defense. But somebody walked up to his car and shot him.

Who fucking walk up to your car and shot you? Somebody you fucking know. You stay on the defense and nigga just walk up and shoot you in the car. That's somebody you fucking knew. It started being like that. And it's like, I just felt like, I'm like, man, the way this is going, I'm like, because niggas is like, niggas is in homicide fucking serial killer mode. There's niggas out there that's like, I'm trying to get away with a lot of murders right now.

I'm trying to kill everybody I don't like. And a bunch of them niggas is roaming the streets. And I'm like, damn, somebody I know is probably going to kill me. And it's just going to be like, for whatever reason, I'm going to fuck you up because you're hanging out with them niggas or something. I was like, man, I sized

that ladder up. I'm like, man, I'm fucking about to go kick it. Where they having the party? It's 93. They having the freak Nick Jack the Rapper. There's a woman down there. The police in Oakland is like having a party. This is 93. They're having a freak, Nick, Jack the Rapper. I'm like, nigga, I'm... The police in Oakland is like, wearing me the fuck out. I ain't got no license. These niggas stop me every time

they see me. They handcuff me, search me, arrest me, release me. Just fucking with me. I go to Atlanta, the police is like, hey, what's up 2 Short? I'm like, nigga, fuck this killing ass, harassing ass shit. I'm going to go enjoy it.

It's a very black city, too. It's like when you go down there, man, it kind of make you feel good because you go down there, you go to a restaurant, you see a black woman in the kitchen actually making your soul food. That's my people. I love everybody, but it's just, you know, you go down to the soul food spot. It was a different look to see that in the 90s. It was just a different, just to see everything just black in the police department. Everybody just,

it was black love. So, I get down to Atlanta. It's 94. The beginning, I moved to my house like right at Christmas, 93. So, it's 94. I'm in Atlanta and the Loonies who pretty much all the shit that

was going down musically either was inspired by us or you know, somehow you got the game that I got from Dean. I gave the game to the whole fucking city. I gave everybody the game on how you fucking this is what you do. You gotta get your shit mastered.

You gotta go get a mainframe. You gotta take it over here to sell it. I told everybody the game. If you can get you a rapper you do. You got to get your shit mastered. You got to go get a man fake. You got to take it over here to sell it. I told everybody the game. If you can get, you're a rapper, if you can find a deep way with some money, I'll show y'all how to do it. Chris did the fucking formula. They all did the fucking formula. A whole bunch of niggas. And Chris had brought the loonies around a while ago. Drew

Down, his first album was made in my studio by Ant Banks. So I'm like, I never got a dime off Drew Down's album. I never got a dime from Ant Banks for that. I never got a dime for Studio Time. That was the homie. It was Chris Artis.

Use the studio. Go ahead. Pay Banks and look it up. The Looney's come out with this fucking song called Player Hater. The song says there's some song called player hater. And the song says, there's some, some shit about some hater ass motherfucker. And be like,

and the song said, that's why the town got rid of short. And I'm like, these are little homies. I'm like, y'all niggas can't say that. And the radio station played it a lot. They put it in rotation.

So I had a song I dropped called Cocktails. Mm-hmm. And Cocktails was getting a lot of love. The video was dope. It was getting love everywhere. All the cities that was loving me, Detroit, Chicago. I was banging Cocktails. The Bay wouldn't play it. The Bay radio station wouldn't play Cocktails.

And I cornered them. I'm like, you know, so what's the reason why you won't spend it? They're like, well, you know, we're more into supporting the local artists, which was some bullshit. I don't know why they turned on me, but it was like, we're more into supporting the local artists, and you moved to Atlanta, so it's kind of like you're out of sight, you're out of mind, and

you know, it's nothing personal, but we just promote the local scene. So, that was the beginning of 95. So, the Summer Jam, 95, I'm mad now because they didn't support my record. The radio station used to call us when they needed a good look in the community. They called us. They called niggas like me and be like, can you be a part of this event?

So the community can know we down. It's a radio station, KMEA 106. But they used to be a rock station in the 80s. So when they started doing hip-hop and shit, people was like, still on the other station, KSOL. They had to kind of like, do some things

to win them over. So people like me, showing up to their events, helped them start getting listeners. Helped them just get certified in the hood. So, I was mad that they played the song, then I was mad that they didn't play my song. So, I pull up to the Summer Jam

and fucking I just pull up there and no credentials, nothing. And they're like, I performed at the previous two Summer Jams. So, they're like, well, give me some passes. They gave me four passes. They fucked around and gave me them stick-on passes.

Every time we walked in there, four niggas. Every time we walked in there, one of the homies went out with the four passes and came back in with three new niggas. We did that shit until we got like 50 niggas up in there. By the time they realized what we had done, now they want to start negotiating and asking us if we all cool. I'm like, nigga, we ain't leaving back out. What's up?

I'm calming them down. We ain't here to do nothing, man. All you got to do is you got the whole Bay Area out there. You got to walk me and the loonies out there and tell the motherfucking Bay that ain't no motherfucking beef. They turned the shit into like the loonies were so young and gangster that they literally pulled up on me. It was like, man, you got to move out of Oakland, nigga. That's what the word went. I was like, I ain't going to fight whatever your rumor is.

I'm just standing up and telling the bank that ain't no love between the loonies and me. Because immediately after the shit came out, they was like, man, we was just mad. And it wasn't even like that. Because we thought you was going to sign us. Or the day when we was over there battle rapping, one of my little rappers one day, and we all hiked it like the Looney's Lost and rapped around in one. It was feelings hurt. It was like a lot of shit. So that's the story Chris was saying the day at the Summer Jam.

He was trying to explain to us the story about how they looked up to me and I hurt their feelings and they made the song because they was mad. But then one of my homies was in the room that we chopping it up with and a lot of niggas don't know the back story

but the homie and Chris was fucking the same broad at some point in time. And the broad told the other homie, not Chris, she told the other homie that Chris said, I don't even know why you fuck with them broke-ass niggas or why you fucking that broke-ass nigga. Like he got more money than the nigga.

Pillow talking, which is always get you in some shit. When you sitting there telling the bitch while you're laying sideways something bad about the next nigga, somehow this shit always get back to the nigga.

So, so the homie was like, Chris was just talking story. We kind of like, we was trying to work out the thing where we could walk on stage and shit. And the homie just sitting there

twitching and shit looking at Chris tell this fucking story about the loonies being feelings hurt and shit. at Chris tell this fucking story about the loonies being feelings hurt and shit and then he just yelled out they ain't even bought all that fucking shit Chris and just two piece

of shit and kicked him and they turned the story and then we jumped him or some shit but really it was all emotional the nigga was all he was only mad about the bitch and what the bitch said he had been mad about that shit and I like the other version of the story cause they go out been mad about that shit. And I like the other version of the story because they go out a lot and make it seem so

gangster like we wrote up this concert 50 deep, dragged a nigga, beat him down and shit. Did not happen. It didn't happen. Does it make it sound like in the streets that y'all just went up there and mobbed and knocked out? The radio station tried to do a slander campaign on me after

the concert. They put the story out there. We did all this shit. We came up there to start a riot. They shut the show down early. It was supposed to be two more groups that went on. E-40 didn't get to go on that night. They tried to start some shit between me and E-40.

All this shit came from the whole... It's all like a domino effect. Literally, the reason why me and E-40 make a million songs right now to this day is because of that concert and that incident and the fact that the radio station tried to turn us against each other. And we've been homies for so motherfucking long. E-40 and his brother and my nigga P and all them niggas from Oakland,

the Vallejo niggas, the Oakland niggas used to all sell dope together and had been family and friends long before the radio station tried to turn me and E-40 against each other. They're like a radio station trying to get into the whole other side of getting involved in some street shit

and cancel me out of some shit. They thought they was going to turn 40 on me and then 40 and. They thought they was going to turn 40 on me. And then 40 and his crew, they big insides or something, they just going to smash me. I don't know what the fuck they thought. I don't know.

And then they thought that they was going to tell people because they're the radio station to stop supporting Too Short. But I'm like, I'm like, nigga, even though y'all ain't playing my record, the whole damn Bay Area bought the fucking record

and everybody's loving the fucking album. You can't take a street artist like 92.3 The Beat couldn't take a street artist and say LA don't listen to this artist no more. We don't listen to this nigga because he on the radio. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, yo, I made songs about this shit on my next album. It's called That's Why the Town Got Rid of Short. That's the name of the song. And it tells you the whole fucking story. And in the story, I told the fucking truth. And literally, I put the album out. That was, was that the fucking Getting It album?

I put the fucking song out. Everybody shut up. Nobody talked about it no more. Nobody dispute what I said in the story. I put everybody's fucking name in there. I told the whole goddamn story about the 30,000, the movie. It's all in the fucking song. And to this day, nobody can dispute what the fuck happened.

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so we got to talk about some stuff that's going on now in the streets, man. What do you feel about the political climate now, man? What's going on with black America, man, just in general? All right, well, I mean, not to interrupt, but he kind of spoke on it a little bit earlier when he said shit. The police was always pulling the nigga over and all that so you know just trying to kind of elaborate on that shit

of how really ain't nothing changed well you know the thing that we're dealing with now is you gotta realize right now that from the intro of crack when you found out how Freeway Freeway Rick right now that from the intro of crack when you found out how

Freeway Rick was all in that circle of the shit with the fucking war they was funding and the CIA was letting the dope land in LA you think about that shit and

you think about the shit and you think about the day Ronald Reagan said I declare a war on drugs and they came up with the Just Say No and it was like this whole scare tactic campaign about the scary criminals in the inner cities and shit.

Then we got the crack. I know in 19 whatever the fuck 80 whatever when they fucking start freebasing cocaine well I know a motherfucking nigga went and spent a hundred dollars on some powder and said I'm going to pour this shit

into a bottle of water and let's set it on fire and make it turn into a rock that shit is some chemistry shit that shit is some science shit and when the crack was economically broken down to be affordable in the ghetto, and the shit was given to people like Freeway Rick, just, you know, like, just here.

You free this list. Man, all that shit was one big fucking setup, bro. The shit was a setup to where, you know, you know, the gangs, I don't even know where the gangs would have went in if it wasn't for crack they wouldn't have turned into crack gangs gangs would have been they probably would have I don't know

you know what I'm saying it wouldn't have been what it is you just go out bringing in houses so then all of a sudden we like 84, 85 this crack thing is jumping off and a couple years into that shit now if you got a rock and a fucking gun, they're going to put you away for hell alone. You know what I'm saying?

And then, you know, the whole shit with the powder and shit. And they, you know, the white boys, it's all about the powder and shit. And they, like, ain't really stressing them out at all. But you can get caught with a gun and some powder, and you don't get fucking 80,000 years in jail. But if you got a fucking rock and a gun, your ass is out. It was crazy. And then, not only, so

not only was a setting all these situations up for you to get fucked off, they was purposely pressing the line in the hood. So, only mostly, like, on our side, Mexicans and niggas got it. You know what I'm saying? On the other side, Puerto Ricans and niggas got it. You know what I'm saying? On the other side, Puerto Ricans and niggas got it.

You know what I'm saying? They wasn't pressing the line to bust people in the suburbs. They was only fucking with the hood. But a city like Oakland was signed up for the program on the world crime. So if you bust so many people and convict so many people, we'll send you more weapons. We'll send you more budget. We'll send you more cars. we'll send you more budget, we'll send you more cars. You know what I'm saying?

So they had incentive policing to get the numbers up because they want the good numbers for the war on crime. So now they're setting up all these fucking laws. We in a fucking trap fighting over the hood. We ain't buying the hood. We're killing each other over the block. And niggas is just like, we ushered in a whole new era of slavery. Modern day slavery,

the mass incarceration, they locked us the fuck up. They locked all our homies up, nigga. If your homie got a cold case, he wasn't too much different than the homie that got murdered. He like, damn,

I ain't finna see the homie no more. Gone. And, in 1980, the stats are something like, when Ronald Reagan said war on crime, it was probably like 500,000 people in American jails, prisons. Now it's like over 2 million. And all the motherfuckers came from the hood,

a whole bunch of blacks and Hispanics. And basically, they just like, they just, they just out-tricked us, bruh. We run around here talking thug life and shit, and we could have been, we could have been like the Italian Mafia, trying our damnedest to be drug dealers

and pretend not to be, cleaning that shit up and walking around, you know what I'm saying? We rode it out, and fucking, I want the young homies to know right now that if you call in the spot where you sell dope to trap, nigga, just listen to the

word. It's a fucking trap. I seen too many niggas, too many motherfuckers die or get all their youth taken away for that trap. And you sitting there going, nigga, I'm in the trap. You bragging about the trap.

Some of us got out. Exactly. We didn't get the motherfucking 20-year sentence. If you ask me, it was all just design. It's a setup. That's all I'm saying right now is a setup. And we the motherfuckers, if you from the 80s, you the motherfucking generation that got set the fuck up

the guinea pigs the first one but how long is you gonna keep falling for the fact that uh you know the shit that's gonna get you all that time in jail you know right yeah let me ask you this cause I always told the big homie James

talk about voting James has a certain feeling about voting. He feel like it's a waste of fucking time. I feel that shit too, dog. I mean, because what does it do? I mean, if you really look at it. Vote or not, I campaign for the cause

and I support certain shit. If I'm not feeling a certain thing, a certain candidate, I support the other motherfucker. By doing benefit performances or a fucking PSA or something. I ain't doing none of that shit. What do you feel about this presidential election? I feel like, you know, you can even include Obama's two terms, I'm feeling like, man, my whole life,

I ain't seen nothing from the presidents except the same exact thing, whether it's Democrat or Republican. It's not, ain't nobody coming through with these campaign promises and making shit fucking happen. Motherfuckers need to stop tripping off of who the fucking president is

and start worrying about who the motherfuckers creating the laws that fuck with a lot of us. That's what the problem is. The Senate is important as a motherfucker. And local politics. Local politics, exactly. Local politics and the Senate, really the shit that impact us.

What you think, James? You be inquiring. I'm being inquiring. I'm listening to y'all, but I mean, like I said, everything was a design. It goes way before the 80s with us. We put ourselves in a situation because the police couldn't infiltrate unless they had one of us in there to do it. And we got a lot of brothers that sold brothers out back in those days

for the little money that they did give. And then they create a program. They create programs to keep you where you at, stagnate you. Just like with us. Like when you say ain't no father in the house. It shouldn't have really mattered if you had a daddy in the house or whatever.

With all the shit that was going on, we sat back and watched half of the shit crack off. Go the way it went. You know what I'm saying? And now we fighting and killing each other over the same shit these motherfuckers put here. Like you say, the trap. That's all that shit was.

And we sitting there getting drunk, ain't paying attention and passing shit through the windows, through the doors the whole night. We ain't giving a fuck, but this is what they showed us where we was at. And we fucked with that. That's what we roll with, and we still doing it right

now today. So, I mean... Yeah, man, you catch a cold case in your young 20s, late teens. And you done. Catch a cold case. You come home at 38, 40 years old and basically you spent all them years working

in there for fucking free. Working for free. Free labor, bro. It's free labor. How many people you lose with that, James? 35 cents. What? How many people you lose with them cold cases, man, when they just kick some motherfuckers with a 50 piece of crack? There's so many brothers in prison. That's because we don't know

the law. And when they get in there and get to spreading the law to you, you're thinking they're going to help you. But then at the end of the day, they stretch your ass. So what I'm saying is, I don't know how to tell the young homies how to preach and be like, bro, go straight, whatever. I wasn't listening to nobody when I was young. I'm just like, get your motherfucking money. But it's a lot of shit out here.

It's going to benefit you more without the fucking penitentiary chances. That's all I'm saying. And do what the fuck you got to do, whatever. But stay the fuck out there in prison, bro. I say this the same. Think back to when you was a youngster and the niggas who rode the hardest. The niggas who rode the hardest the niggas who rode the hardest and the niggas who, them little nerd niggas that would never join the fucking gang

them niggas who would never come around the block them niggas you come home at 38 years old and that little nigga got a fine ass wife beautiful family nigga got nice ass cars and shit you like that punk ass nigga nigga been balling

yeah you did it right then and we ain't too far from you know cause niggas got that rich dream right now they see this rap shit this hip hop shit this ball player shit and they got that that millionaire dream but you ain't gonna achieve that unless

you apply yourself to something. You got to put your $10,000 in. You got to get some work in. You got to become an expert at something and be good at that shit. Well, we say you just got to pay your dues and put in your work and then shit, shit. Eventually, if you get the right, you know,

the right foundation behind you and the right couple, group of niggas that can steer you on the right path. Like I said, OGs used to be set up to try to steer niggas and the right couple group of niggas that can steer you on the right path. Like I said, OGs used to be set up to try to steer niggas on the right path and let niggas stay out of trouble. Keep him out of the games. Keep him in sports.

That's what we need. Other than that, nothing else matters, man. Shit been flipping the same way for generations. I can say back to when I started running around, shit ain't changed. Like James say, you can vote for whatever. Take your choice, Democrat, Republican.

But at the end of the day, start peeping out what's going on in your own section, in your neighborhood, your city. Start peeping out the local government. Start peeping out what's happening in the Senate and the people who make the laws. Because that's what counts. I think what I'm trying to say, though, is it's almost gangster. It's almost real gangster

not to be gangster in the long run. In the long run. You know what, man? When I hear James talk about that, man, when he's talking to these brothers that's out here in the streets, man, that's what he tells them. He says, man, it ain't no benefits to it.

It ain't no pension in it. It's just you're better off just doing the right thing. And at this point, nobody can remember. Like, you really go around and just ask motherfuckers, like, nigga, who's your enemy? And be like, why? And they're going to tell youers like, nigga, who's your enemy? And be like, why? And they're going to tell you like, oh, they killed my mom. No, before that, why is y'all his enemies?

Niggas don't even know why half the war started. They don't even know. They don't even concern. They're just like, nigga, we love... Like that Chicago shit. They're like, nigga, we can't even negotiate. They're keeping a tally on bodies. They're like, we can't even negotiate. They keeping a tally on bodies. They like, we can't even negotiate a truce until we, like, got the same amount of bodies.

And these guys out there knocking each other down, man. It's like, man. Like, y'all up on a 16 to 14, nigga, so give me two bodies and we can talk about a truce then. Well, you know the thing is, man, one of the things we always talk about, man, you know, Black Lives Matter, man. If a police officer do something to somebody, we go to these cities, we march. Why don't we do it to each other? We should have that same energy, man.

Somebody ride through the hood and knock down little Tommy. Somebody go out there and knock down little Lisa. You feel what I'm saying? We are used to killing each other. That's just like, I know you. I'm going to argue with you before I go argue with these motherfuckers I don't know

this is what we learned growing up you know what I'm saying so it's a big difference we'd rather fight in house than go out and fight these white boys that's talking about killing us and they on that's talking about killing us. And they on

every platform talking about y'all wait. We coming. It's going to be a war. If Trump lose, we coming at you. I'm real interested to see what happens in this election, man, because I don't think old boy going to leave the office. I don't think there's enough militia out there to beat up

the ghetto. Y'all would their ass, man. Y'all would be surprised, man. Y'all would be surprised what these motherfuckers got. Don't underestimate these motherfuckers. Exactly. They got some shit. Yeah, motherfuckers holla out to all the inner city.

Everybody in the inner city, stand by. Stand down and stand by. What the fuck, man? But you see what he's doing. The, uh, what's the, uh, councilman chick that the white boys was kidnapping? Yeah. Man, they talking about

kidnapping and killing motherfuckers. Because if you ain't on board with Trump, man, you in trouble. But I don't even follow politics. Yeah, we'll see what happens, man. We'll see. 2021. I could've never in a million years could have predicted 2020 some shit. Right.

This shit is crazy, man. It's almost like the apocalypse or something. I'm fucking 99 years old, so I ain't never seen no shit like this. Man, for sure, man. You know what, man? I appreciate you, man, having us over, man. To your beautiful compound, man. Oh, good.

Giving us a dope interview, man. Man, you guys, man, we thank y' giving us a dope interview man man you guys man we thank y'all for coming in man tuning in to another episode of Gangsta Chronicles man make sure you subscribe man go download iHeart app man visit our website www.thegangstachroniclespodcast.com man hit MC8 up he online

hit Big James up he online he holla back I'm on the line. Most of all, go hit the homie. Too short, man. Bam. Short, man. You know what, man? Can you give me one before we go, man? I just want to hear it one time. Well, I got to say, bitch.

That's it right there. I appreciate you, man. We out of here. Why? Still say, I got to hear it, man. The Gangster Chronicles is brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with

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