The Breakfast Club - The Gangster Chronicles: Keeping Your Name Clean in the Internet Era

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

MC Eiht and Norm Steele are talking defamation lawsuits, freedom of speech, and protecting your reputation in the social media era. They discuss how celebrity culture has changed, the impact of internet rumors, fan interactions, and whether suing over false accusations is justified. The conversation also dives into success, work ethic, financial discipline, the realities of the music business, and why building wealth is about more than fame. Plus, MC Eiht shares insights on royalties, longevity, and staying focused on what matters most. Original Publishing 5.30.26YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, what's happening, man? Man, shit, we're just chilling. You know how it is. Man, to the people, man, we probably ain't talked in the both. Two months or something like that. Yeah, a few people was hitting me up, like, what's cracking? Yeah, what's going on?

You know, people, man, they'd be wondering, they start, they speculations and stuff like that, be wondering what's going on. But we back in the house, you know, the podcast game is really changed the whole lot. I just peeped out that Meg the Stallion sued this podcast chick, what's her name, something grimes, Milano Grimes,

but something like that. But she won $75,000 for that. defamation. I wonder if I could give me some money. Some defamation. You want to get somebody talking shit? Some niggas talking shit. Man, there's a whole bunch of people that always have my name and they're dick suckers. You know, always got my name and they mouth somehow. I'm going to start filing lawsuits. You think that's now, if I start suing people,

would that fall into the snitch category? I mean, under my definition of snitch, you know, I go a different route, but You know, this is a different day and time now. You all is this is the new era of, you know, the culture, keeping the culture and content creators and all of that. So it depends on what the definition of snitch may be. Now, I don't know that you would be labeled as a snitch necessarily because this has nothing to do with, you know, the hood or criminal cases or, you know, loyalty to the hood or some shit. It's that white people's shit.

You feel me? Oh, no, you're not going to be able to say I'm a punk. I'm going to sue you for saying I'm a punk because I'm in real life I'm no punk. So, you know, it's a different situation. Yeah, I think, man, that I actually like that though, man, because for the longest, people've been out here, man, throwing real soul on people's names, man, and talking down on people's names and all. that shit all kind of slanderous accusations

and just saying any damn thing, man, get to the point where they just say anything, right? And I think if you start hitting people in their pocketbooks, man, hitting some of these bras and their purses, they'll keep their mouth shit. I mean, but that's how people do. You know, like I said, we as black people, you know,

we deal with that shit on a different note, you know. We might deal with that differently. But today, you know, you know, in the world of entertainment, let's just call it what it is, you know, whether you do music or movies or anything in the light of being in public eye, you know, you consider the celebrity or whatever. So, you know, people got to watch what they say, you know,

because this isn't the first time, you know, people have been doing defamation lawsuits for a long time, you get me? Oh, for sure. People be feeling, you know, motherfuckers feel. like they image and who they are as a person is everything. You get me? And whether you might, you, you know this shit ain't true or is true. You know, you know as yourself.

And so I might can't stand for that. I might think about the harm, though, the harm of somebody's reputation that costs. But in, you know, what about the internet, though, bro? You know, somebody's kids may see this mess. Somebody's mama might see it, man, you know, slandering somebody ain't cool, dog. Yeah. And then I go, look, then you got to go, my camera straight, okay, then you got to look at is how far, right? How far is it to be taken with somebody running their mouth, right? Because you, like I said, you again, as a man, as a person, you feel very strongly about who you are in your image. So what does it, what level? level does it go to? Because I've been told plenty of times when niggas be running their miles and talking shit and saying shit, that ain't true. I've been told plenty of times to

address it once and then don't worry about it no more. So how far do you let it go before you feel I got to do, I got to do some lawsuit type of shit? How far do that go? How far? You know what, man, I'm going to tell you like this. We've been doing this shit for a long time. podcast for damn that 10 years now. And I used to always be of the mindset, man, oh, it ain't nothing, let that shit roll off your back.

You don't want to pay it no attention. But fuck that. You know, that shit piss you off sometimes, man. You know, depending on with somebody, you say, especially if somebody, because the thing that gets me with all this shit is the lies. Right.

You know, it's the lies and just slamming the motherfucker's name, right? Motherfugers refuse to tell the truth, and they do it just to get views, right? So they slamming your name. name they use than you to kind of come up. So I do think people should be held liable. And since you can't take it, you know,

you can't exactly just go whoop people's ass nowadays. Exactly. You can't go just beat up somebody, though. You can. You can if a nigger want to give you that. You feel me? If the nigger feels strongly, but how many,

but how many niggers, you know, you hear everybody yelling I take a fade or I catch a fade or fade, fade, fade, fade. But, you know, how, how, I'll seriously do a motherfucker feel like, okay, I'm gonna get out here and fight a nigga. You get me?

Well, ain't nobody running. Nobody's fagging nowadays. Hey, you know, first of all, we're grown-ass men, not grown-ass men. We consider elder statesmen. You feel what I'm saying? Exactly. What I look like is a 55-year-old man out there

going to go squabble somebody because he's talking about me, right? So first of all, I might go out there, man, and let's say I hit this dude and he fall and hit his head. And now, you know, and he loses life. I unalive him.

Now, you know, it's a whole other situation, right? So it's not even worth the risk to me. So I'd rather call my attorney, man, get the money together and file a lawsuit. And, you know, might come up off of it. Man, 75,000 ain't a bad little lick. Exactly. That's 75,000. Well, I ain't a bad little lick, bro.

You hit these fools in their pocketbooks and hit them where it hurt, man. You know, I think if a dude get a few, dollars took from a man, that'll end a lot of bullshit. Real good. That ends a whole bunch of bullshit real, real quick. Think about it, bro. You don't have people say shit about you

that wasn't true. And the thing about it, bro, is like this. When Nick's kids get to seeing that bullshit dog and people's wives and mamas and all that stuff, bro, and, you know, some of your love ones be having real concern, some of these monkeys be out of you're talking, you know?

That's what I said. You have to it all depends on how far it goes. You know, I'm going to say still, especially you got, you know, you got a wife, you got, you got kids, you know, and they're mature, they're older. And even if you did have little kids in school. And like you said, there's all kind of people

that you may know that's on the Internet and social media. And so how far can you let them, motherfucker, disrespect you, defame you, whatever, whatever. How far do you feel freedom of speech goes, you get me? Because freedom of speech deals, bro.

What are, what are they trying to say? What are they trying to proclaim? Oh, I'm just, it's freedom of speech. I can say this and I can say that. You know, but the shit, but the shit you're saying is detrimental. You know what I'm saying? To me, my family,

my situation. So how How does that freedom of speech shit kick in? Now, to me, this is freedom of speech, right? Man, I can't stand stills podcast. That's a bullshit podcast. That's a bullshit. That's his opinion, right? Right.

Motherfugger say, man, I don't like Ace Music. I never have liked them as a rapper. He sucked to me. That's his opinion. That's his opinion, right? Now, when they get to, man, you know, I slapped this nigga in his face and he didn't do nothing. Or this dude stole my.

for me. He did this and that, right? Now, that's slander. That slander in my name. And I'm gonna tell you this. If it's true, and this is where the letter of law goes. If it's true, I can't do nothing about it, right? If somebody really did slap me in my face and I've marked out, I can't say nothing about it. But if you're sitting up there telling the lie and you're doing that to intentionally damage my, damage my reputation of my character, you're trying to turn me and make me look like a whole ass nigga. I can sue you for that. But I guess it's all in the end on how they feel. You get me?

If a nigger said, yeah, nigga, I slapped that nigger eight out and I won't-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w. My people go know it's false. You get me? Like you said, unless it's true, unless a nigger knocked me out, caught me slipping, knocked me out, whatever.

It can happen. It can happen to anybody. Oh, yeah, it can happen for sure. But as far as, like you said, to the fact that this nigga ain't never slap me or punched me or I've never even been in a situation

where I've even been around a nigger to where he can put his hands on me or we did get into a confrontation so do I give a fuck that this nigger is saying some some bullshit?

I don't know. I don't know. I guess it all depends on who you are to feel like, oh, this nigger said he slapped the shit out you and you're a punk he didn't like so that's it if you sue a motherfucker what are you proven that he

didn't but what if he keeps saying I did? What is the next motherfucker is going to believe or not believe the motherfucker you know what I'm saying? I guess you know well and we used living in different times because back in the day, right, like the 90s and the early 2000s, they said that that was all a part of being in the game, right?

You're a public figure. You've got to get used to people talking shit about you, right? And people very seldom filed lawsuits unless it was that National Inquirer type of shit, you know, because you know, because you had people, dog, who almost lost their marriages because of lies. Right. You feel what I'm saying? somebody come out on the National Inquirer and say, oh, MCA, this rumor to be dating such and such, and your girl, see that in the grocery store,

she gets the thinking in her mind, well, that might not be true, but then, you know, that could bother somebody. I'm sure. I mean, rumors in innuendo could, it would bother a lot of motherfuckers. Even the people, you don't think about it. Even the people who, like you said, even you, yourself, who know it's untrue, your wife, your kids, your closest friends, people that know you.

Oh, we know that shit ain't true. But like you said, just because it's out in the public eye, that shit fucking with me. And this is LA. Let's keep it real, right? This Los Angeles. Your reputation is everything out here, right? The man's reputation is everything. And I think that's all global, right?

But especially out here, right? if you let somebody think that somebody is getting away with doing something to you, marking you all, or treating you like a little hole, you go ahead to put on a demonstration eventually because somebody's going to try you. Yeah. This is a very predatory city.

You know what I'm saying? This is a very predator-like city. You know, this is a city man where people pray on the weak. Let's just keep it real, right? So if you perceive to be one of them weak people, you might have to, you know, you might have to make, you know, you might have to move a little son. Yeah, that's true.

You might have to move a little something, you feel me? Mm. I just think we live in the air right now, man. But then again, this is probably the first time, man, in history, you know, in the last like 10 years, man, that people can actually reach out and touch a celebrity or somebody that they made a person of note, right? They can actually reach out to where it's back in the day.

somebody saw you in source magazine they either went to your show or maybe at an end store that was the extent of it or they may see you bailing through the mall and may come and say can I get an article

it wasn't even take a picture back then can I get an autograph can you sign my t-shirt or hold up I got the tape with me bro can you sign my take you feel me? Yeah you get stuff like that

now bro the end it's almost like the computer has killed the internet bro has killed celebrity so to speak because now you almost become a regular motherfucker. Well, I'm glad I've always considered myself a regular motherfucker.

I mean, you know, I guess it's hard to put yourself in that position when people know you and you've been on TV and around the world and records and all that type of shit. But I try to consider myself a regular normal motherfucker. And so, I mean, I guess it all comes with the territory. and how you establish yourself as a celebrity or entertainer or a person of, you know, that's considered a value to yourself. Shit, you can be, you can be, you know, you could just be a regular motherfucker who can,

you know, I want the same motherfuckin' respect, you know, so it just, it just, like I said, it all depends on how the walk of life in is, motherfuckers just ain't going to like you, period, some people. That's just it. You get me? It's just... Now, let me answer you this. Sorry to cut you off

because you've been around. You've had a long career, right? Would you say it was a major difference back in the 90s and the early 2000s, man, the mid to late 90s when you started, man, during your heyday? Would you say it was a major difference from the way stuff

feels then to now? As far as fan interactions. Um, yeah, it's different. It's, it's real different. I mean, shit. Uh, hush. Back when I started, you had a lot of personal, uh, contact with fans up front.

Uh, you know, you, you, you see them at the, you, you see them at the, uh, the autograph signings and the record stores and the in stores. And you see them when you go do promo to. and, you know, you know, genuine. You know, we didn't have computer interaction. We didn't have social media and all of that type of shit. So a lot of it was hand-to-hand. You know, today it's different as far as fans are concerned.

The access of pushing a button and, you know, a mirror. billion people across the world can have access to you personally. And then a lot of people, you know, they like to put their lives all up on social media and, you know, personal and, you know, show your kids and show where you live and do all of that. And so it takes shit to a different level as far to me, as far as fan interaction from back in the day as today. So you've got to be very careful. And thus, thus, thus the good comes with the bad.

You get me? Thus, you're opening the door now because now you've got the motherfuckers who don't like you who have real access to you. You get me? And their opinion as of a motherfucker who might get a hate mail letter or you might never, you know,

30 years ago when I was promo touring or whatever, whatever, I might not never see a motherfucker who don't like my shit. You get me? is you pretty much going places, you know, you're going to show, you're going to the end store signing. The majority of the people that come to places

like that are fans. Exactly. The fans are, you know, you go on. Oh, no. I don't, you know, shit, now a nigga could be in Timbuk, too, going fuck eight at the push of a button. As opposed to 30 years ago,

I wouldn't have known the motherfucking Timbuck two who didn't like my music or who just didn't like me for the person I am, whatever, you know. Well, you know why that heals, bro. People are attention horrors today, right? And people have always been attention towards,

but now a person would do anything for attention, man. A person would go online to eat his bookers, dog, just to get some views, so people could pay attention to them. Even if they're going, ugh, that motherfucker nasty. Look at them go. A lot of people want to be famous today, you know. By any means.

You know, I don't know, like, I don't know. I didn't grow up. with that aspect. I don't know how many true, I don't know how many true motherfuckers grow up. I ain't saying now, but just back then, you know,

I mean, motherfuckers was like, oh, I'm going to grow up and be famous as opposed to, shit, you just want to grow up and have a regular good life.

Get me? Yeah. You know, I think we all had goals. I'm pretty sure at some point, when you first start rap. How old was you when you first start rapping 15?

Yeah, 15. I'm pretty sure, you know, because it really wasn't no industry, so to speak, you know, not a huge one, right? But I'm pretty sure after a while you wanted to get on, not so much for the fame aspect of it, but I think we all want to go to the top of the heights in their prospective fields.

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Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You know what? know if you, I know when I was on first started doing music and stuff, I'd never thought about the money brought a no, there was no money like that in it. I just wanted to be involved in it because I thought it was really dope. When I first started with the music, like I said, I grew up probably like any other regular kid, you know, most kids. I don't know how you grew up still,

but, you know, from the young ages of five to maybe 10 to 12 or some shit like that, maybe 10, 11, what did you dream of becoming as an adult? You knew what adulthood was, you knew motherfuckers, whatever, whatever. What did you dream to be as a five-year-old kid? Well, I aspired, man, I had different goals. at once. I'm going to tell you, and this is a, I guess this is a really, like,

fact that very few people know, I'm actually a really good artist. I can really paint and draw very well, like, very well. I don't do it as much as I used to, but I got invited to attend the Cleveland School of Arts. I always had a real talent for that, right? They could have been

like, you know, I had paintings and stuff, I had paintings on display, you know, at prominent places, right? And my mother wanted me to really take that route, right? But then as I got older, I started playing football. Right. And the football kind of took precedence over everything else to where it was like,

man, I'm not going to no Cleveland School Arts. They don't even have a football team there. You feel me? Right. Football kind of became my thing. And don't get me wrong, art was always a major passion. Even now to this day, man, I, every once in a while, man, I'll get the sketching some stuff out, right?

the round, right? Right. But I don't know if I had, you know what, man, I'm going to tell you that the one thing I did want to do, you can think I'm crazy, I wanted to be a professional wrestler at one time. Man. I just thought it was really exciting, man. I think I always wanted to live like, I always wanted to be something like a pro wrestler,

or maybe even a truck driver. I was always a dude that wanted to work somewhere solitary. You feel what I'm saying? I always pictured myself being a wrestler. and going on a road, bro, and just traveling all around the country. You feel what I mean? Going on my matches and getting on. I knew one thing I didn't want to be.

I didn't want to be no... I guess you could say a regular motherfucker, and I don't know if it was for the money. I just wanted to be great at something. Not so much for the money of fame, but I just wanted to be great at whatever it was I did, bro. Like I said, you know, growing up, you know, kids, it all depends on how you, you know,

the household is, how you feeling as a kid, you know, if it's love in the house or whatever, you know, I think, you know, I had dreams of being, you know, regular as a young kid, but then, like you said, you get to a certain age and you start going, oh, I want to be somebody. You get, fuck just being regular time or Harry or whatever. nigga, I want to be somebody because you start associating

shit with the fact that being somebody puts you in a position that's probably better off than other motherfuckers, right? You get me? Because we knew motherfuckers who were somebody's, whether they was in the streets or whether they

was famous, right? Being somebody meant you as a motherfucker. Even if it was a, even if it was something as basic as having a decent home. It's like, you know, and you grew up thinking that, you know, don't get me wrong, man,

my parents worked real hard, and I ain't just, I ain't going to sit here and say we lived and swallowed, right? You know, we add heat, we add electricity, you know, we ate and stuff like that. But when you start seeing other stuff the other side and how the other side live, man, they ain't got no roaches or rats and they creeped off. And these stuff is just nice. It's like, man, you know what, I want to live like this. Oh, definitely. Like I said, you start, you start understanding what upper echelon shit and what living better is.

So you strive, you know, to to become that, that motherfucker. And it don't matter. I don't know if, whether you're going to get it out to streets or whether you're going to go educated and come up with a billion dollar idea business. But you strive to be that motherfucker. because you already know maybe being normal just ain't going to be it. And like you said, yeah, we wasn't as dirt poor, you know, niggas had running water and electricity and the stove and gas worked, you get me. But at times it was a struggle. And so you always destined to be something greater. You feel me?

I think you always, I think every person has that desire. And if they say that you don't man a line or, you know, I know everybody I know, bro, desires to have a better life, bro, than what they have. I would say right now, even now the life I live, bro, I've never found, don't get me wrong, I'm very appreciative, man, for the blessings, man, that have been bestowed upon us, right? I don't think we have regular situations, right? We don't have situations that the regular average person may not have, right? but I do know that I work very hard for the stuff.

It's not easy. I have very little time to kick back. You know, you always joke that I got a million jobs. That's literally true. I got a bunch of different things that I do. And I think I've always been like that because my biggest fear is letting my family down and not having nothing. You feel what I mean? Because I think I've always known that, man, if you work hard, you may not necessarily get what you want,

but you would get far. You would get very far. If you work hard, if you really focus, man, and say, you know what, man, I'm going to do this. Even if you got to, that's what I tell people,

even if you got a regularly job. You don't work at that regularly job every hour of the day. You can say, okay, man, I'm working at my gig from 10 o'clock in the morning to 7 o'clock at night. So between the hours of 8 and 12,

I'm going to work on this, right? And on my days off, I'm going to work on a full time, right? And I guarantee you, man, if you really work your thing, work your magic, man. And I think you have to be realistic, right? I think everybody needs to find something that they're good at first and foremost, right? Everybody can't be no rapper.

Everybody can't be no podcaster necessarily, right? But I think if people focused on and kept it real with themselves and said, you know what, man, I am pretty good at cutting grass. I'm pretty good at paint. I'm pretty good at electricity and fixing stuff. I'm going to become a journey, man. Man, man, I'm going to tell you right now, the new millionaires in this country, bro,

are the plumbers and electricians? Oh, yeah. Are the plumbers and electricians? And that may not be the sexiest thing in the world, but I swear before God, hey, if I was a young person right now and trying to figure it out and I didn't know what I was going to do, I would go become a plumber, bro, an electrician.

Yeah, hopefully, you know, there are some of those young men and women out there who understand that. you can get, you can achieve what you need to achieve without having to be subject or or misguided by, you know, I have to become, I have to become someone famous to be on that level. Yeah. You don't have to.

You can start a business and your business could be so successful that you still pushing in rose races and taking trips and flying private places. lanes and shit like that. It's just your determination of where you want to be in life. You want to settle for, and some people do. I'm cool with this. I work construction. You know, I got a house, three, four kids, wife, and we got a pickup truck and a

motherfucker in a Honda accord, and we good. All the kids graduated high school, some of them, you know, go to college, blah, blah, blah. I'm fine. And then some people want to just excel. So it's nothing wrong with that. But I think people need to get out of the aspect that I have to be famous to be successful in life or just be, you know, a good motherfucker. You know, because a lot of these successful motherfuckers is fucked up. Really?

A lot of successful motherfuckers out here that's just assholes and full of shit and think because you, you know, You know, you got a little change that you, you're supposed to be looked at differently than a motherfucker. That's why I say I've always tried to consider myself a normal motherfucker. Because I don't want a motherfucker to consider me no conceited asshole motherfucker just because you got a couple of records. And you think, you know, you walk on clouds and other niggas walk on regular pavement and shit. No, man, fuck that shit. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to tell you like this, bro.

I'm just sitting up you're thinking as we talk, right? I know some wealthy people. I know some very wealthy people, as a matter of fact. On the entertainment side and, you know, the regular world side, people who just have very good businesses, right? Right. I'm going to tell you this, the wealthiest person I know is not in entertainment. And when I tell you this, his wealth is so immense that the one person I do knowing entertainment

that's like a top-ranking executive, this guy has 10 times the money. he asked. Like, this dude is a billionaire. You know what I'm saying? And he's a guy that doesn't have a high school education. He eventually got his GED, but he just deal with what I said and worked very hard. He started off in real estate, right? Started off working to somebody, man, and just worked hard, bro, and sacrifice to the point he was sleeping in his car for a little bit and going to go to his gym the shower. He sold Gold's gym memberships on the side until his career popped off, right? And he was able to take showers in there, right? Then eventually he was able to go buy a little park. He'd tell me all the time he was living off the second street, right? And that's when second street, you know, they got all those buildings. Now, they used to have a bunch of apartments above those different stores, right? He found a studio apartment, man, somebody renting them for $300 a month, right? And he said, man, that he was working so hard, he looked up one day and realized, man, you know, he had been living there for about three or four years. You know, he had been living there for about three or four years. You know, he had been living there for about three or four years. You know, he said, years at a point.

And he just happened, he never read this mail and looked at his bank statements. He was just grinding. He just focused on just grinding, right? Going to work and grinding, working hard, right? He hadn't even realized he was a millionaire yet, bro. He was working that hard. He didn't realize. He said, you know what, man, I'm actually going to take me a little time off and go get me a real place now, you know?

Right. And he just didn't look back, bro. I'm a firm believer in the grind, man. I think you just have to work, man. I'm thinking a lot of people ate today, they got a mindset, man, that something's just supposed to happen for them. You know, where if they know somebody's successful, they're supposed to just get all the magnitude to get that.

People don't think they have to work hard, bro, and that's just not true. The more, the hard being a rapper, bro, especially being a rapper, that's a working rapper. That's not an easy life, bro. No. I mean, it just, it's a little, it gets hard sometimes, strenuous, you know what I'm saying?

You always got to be able to, you know, produce good shit, come up with shit. You know, it's a constant grind to try to maintain whatever level it is. And then if you get to a level, like you say, it's hard to maintain that. You got to sustain and keep grinding. You have to keep it, bro. The hardest thing is key. I'm going to tell you like this. I feel blessed, man.

I've took some paper in my life, bro. I'm talking about some, like, not no millions of dollars, but I don't take some nice money, right? The hardest thing, bro, is to keep the money. It's easy going to go get it, bro, but it's hard to keep it, bro. Like getting something, just keeping it and maintaining it,

bro, that's the hardest thing because it requires an immense amount of discipline, bro. And even if you discipline and not buying bullshit, if you look up, man, if you look up and just get to doing regular stuff, right? You look up and be like, man, damn, I don't blew through the, you know, just much bread, bro. Yeah, money go fast if you don't know how to manage it, especially if you never had it before. It's hard to manage and maintain because you want everything.

You want to be able to buy everything and steal, you know, but not being financially sound could put you in a situation, you know. If I knew what I knew 30 years ago when getting money, you know, it would have been totally different for a young nigga, 1920, getting checks, you know, here and there. And here come a check for this amount. It come another check for this amount. It come another check for, and, you know, you do the typical shit when you're a young nigga who's never been taught how to manage and finance money. You know, you want to go out and buy cars, chains and ring. and music and clothes and shit. When you really should be thinking,

hmm, you put some money up because 30 years from now, I could buy this shit right now. Exactly. I think about that all the time. Let me ask you this, bro. Have you ever just sat up and thought about all the BS that you don't bought in your life?

Like, I wonder where that shit is even at. I was thinking about that the other day. I said, bro, I think I got a couple cars out there. I don't even know where they yet, hey? I'm shit. I don't went through cars, low riders. I don't went through jet skis and foe. Bikes and shit.

Bikes and all that type of shit, man. Motherfucking speed, boats and all kind of shit, man. That if I had that shit in my backyard today, I'd be like, what the fuck? You get, look at all this shit back here. Just, just shit. And I think to a certain extent, man, even as grown men, we still like toys, so to speak, right?

Because I'm going to tell you now, and this has been taking me a lot not to do it. I want one of them, what's those three motors, they're not motorcycles, but you said, I know what you talking about. One of my people's got one of them. I love them motherfuckers dog. Every once in a while I go rent one, right? Mm-hmm. Just to ride around in, right?

Just for the weekend, right? And I love them motherfuckers dog, and I'd be thinking sometimes, man, but them motherfuckers dog cost just as much as a car, bro. You go spend $30,000, $40,000 on some shit like that, bro, that you can't, my thing be this. If I can't put no groceries in that, motherfucker, I ride my family around with me and get that shit. That nigga said, digger, I can't put no groceries in there.

You know what I'm saying? I forget what the name, the name of them things. I mean, you know, they got the car clubs for them now. They be riding all around and the motherfuckers. They look at them. Motherfuggers, dog. because there ain't nothing like I would never be a dude

riding the motorcycle I think the motherfuckers is dangerous shout out the people to ride motorcycles but that could be me bro I just them motherfuckers I don't see you too many accidents that was just all bad I'm not getting on the motorcycle but those you sit in the seat man you're kicking back man

you're gonna right the biggest said he walked that three-wheeler me I'm a more dirt bright bike motorcross type of dude so I Bikes I had, I was in the mountains and in the trails, dirt biking and jumping willies and shit like that.

I've never been the street bike type of dude. I've never been a Harley type of dude. I jump on a motherfucking 250 or something like that and go in the motherfucking dirt trail and ride around. That's what I was used to because I was a BMX kid growing up. Yeah. The slingshot. That's what they are, slingshots.

I've seen slingshots that was next level. I saw some slingshots, man, and looked like old school cars. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, they fix them up like a motherfucker. Look, they got the ones, man, and looked like almost like the soapbox derby ones, man, with the look, you know what I mean?

And they got some dope shit, man. It's like, man, and these motherfuckers, some of that shit is expensive, bro. That shit costs money. Yeah, slings shots are expensive. bro, they cost money. And I thought about that man buying stuff like that. But it takes a certain amount of discipline because the one thing I am conscious of,

bro, is that we not look kids no more. We come into a time eight to where in about 10 years, me and you both, it's going to be time to lay it down, bro, we just know, like, this is life. We're just kidding and kind of just waiting for, you feel what I'm saying, waiting for eternity. You feel me? Yeah, you know, it gets to a point. you got to be

you know not settled but you have to you know get your priorities together and you know know that you know you ain't going to live forever you know you start you start getting that knowledge when you start hitting up there and you know so

but we still working and we still got shit to do and ideas and projects to put out you know shit like I'm working on project right now it might be my last record but I'll just, and it wasn't because I needed to do a record, you know, financially or whatever. I had love for music before, before I even made a dollar, you get me.

I put out albums, you know, and was riding around the country and touring and doing shit and wasn't making a dollar and just enjoyed the fact that I was able to, I was able to survive and then do something I love because it was just, that's just what it was. Music was it. But like I said, you get mature and you start seeing the value and shit and start understanding that, you know, you want to be in a different place in your older years. When you ain't podcasting anymore, going on tour or whatever, you want to be able to sit, and secure. So, you know,

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Right. It takes a lot to be, and the more busier you get, this is what I tell people, and this happens at rap groups too. As you get older, bro, life starts getting away even of certain things

that may be bringing you money. Mm-hmm. Stuff has a way of demanding attention, right? You know, you start making a certain amount of money doing other stuff, right? You start thinking like, man, you know what? Do I really even have time to continue doing this at, you know, at the rate that I'm doing it, right? But then you got to snap out of it and say, yeah, I'm having to just start managing my time better. Yeah, that's it.

I mean, it's only so many hours in a day, but you know, niggas know they got to get shit done and you got to get shit accomplished. So that's just it, period. You just got to learn how to manage time better. You know, we have to learn how to do that, especially if we want to be involved in multiple projects and multiple things. Because, you know, it's people who rely and depend on shit to get done.

And unfortunately, you know, that's just what happens when you in the world of business and work in multiple jobs and positions, you got a lot of shit to tend to. Nickers got a lot of shit into. And the fucked up shit about it is, if you don't tend to it, then it ain't going to get done. It's going to get stalled. And that might.

That might a thing. You get me? And especially with the other motherfuckers. And if you're a rapper or a podcast, especially if they don't reach a certain level, you may be contractually, obligated to get that done. You feel me?

Right. And you get that. You know, I don't care whether you are a rapper, man. Nothing is ever as easy as it seems, man. And I think being an entertainer is just a hard thing altogether, man. Like, I'll be honest, what you grow,

being an actor is fine, but being on those sets of long days. Mm-hmm. In long days, bro, doing the same shit over and over and over again. I'll definitely know that. It could be stressful doing movies and yeah, again, again, again, again, cut again, again, again, again. Now we're going to get it from this angle.

Now we want to get it from this side. Now we just did the same shit about 15 times, but three different ways. You feel me? So, yeah. You have to be ready for, you have to be ready for the life you choose. You get me. That's just what it is. We have to accept the life we chose,

and this is what comes with the territory. People ask me all the time, when motherfuckers come up and be like, do you get tired when people recognize you or they ask you to take pictures or they wootty-wump? And I'll be like, nah, it don't. It comes with the territory.

I mean, what did I expect, you know, putting out records and videos and movies and video games and all, all that, that you expect like you wasn't going to get noticed, you know, and then you don't want to treat people like, like you're, like I said, any different. I won't be normal. So if a motherfucker come up to me and be like, man, can I, and it don't matter. I could be in the grocery store line.

Nigel, I could be at the gym on a machine. I could be in the motherfucking airport going through security. They don't give a fuck. they go. That's what I was going to say. Let's be real. People do not give a fuck about it. You would think

that a motherfucker be like, oh, this motherfucker's sitting down with his people getting ready to eat. I ain't going to go ask them for no picture. Nope. You would think a motherfucker on the machine at the gym working, sweating,

getting his shit on, got his headphones on, ain't paying attention to know. You would think a motherfucker be like, oh, I ain't going to bother a motherfucker. But they're a, and then you don't want them to feel like, oh, what, you think you better than me?

You can't take a picture or you can't want to, you don't want them to have that feeling. So I just say, no, no problem. Oh, you mind? Because at first they'll recognize you on that tip, and then they'll double back. They don't do it all in one swoop. They'll do the double back.

So a motherfucker, oh, ain't you? And I try to cut them off before they even could finish the sentence. ain't you? And I'll be like, yeah, that's me. And then it'd be like, yeah, I thought that was you. I was over here working out now, you know, so it was like, good looking. Man, I listened and I'd be like, I appreciate you. And some people are cool about it, bro.

Some people are really cool. Like, if I'm at the gym, bro, that's the main place, right? Sometimes they'll wait until I'm finished, right? And they'd be like, man, you suck, sucks. I really mess with the show I enjoy. And we give daff and stuff and they go up out there way. And that's cool, bro. Like, it's cool doing all that, man.

I'm going to tell you what I don't like, the ones that don't have common sense. And they want to sit there, like, they may see you about the, they may see you sitting down with your family about to eat, but they want to hold a whole conversation about some shit you might have said. And it's usually, I don't mind them wanting to talk, bro, but it's dependent on what they want to talk about. If it's a situation, bro, it's like, come on, man, you really want to sit up here and talk about that right now. The one thing I really laugh at, I'm going to tell you what I, thing is the funniest thing. I get it at least twice a week.

Man, we're MCA at. It's like, man, MCA is at his house. We're not together all the time. Yeah, people always, people figures that, you know, they do that. Oh, you still do the podcast, so we're still. I'll be like, I have no idea.

I ain't talked to the dick this week. You know, they feel like. And what they don't know is, when you're doing a podcast, man, you really want to interact, you really want to, because we mean you got other shit we do it together, but you really want to kind of like space them interactions

out a little bit, so when you do get together, you have something to talk about. Exactly. You have some to talk about, man. You know, speaking of talking, man, my boy Glass has been going through it this week, man. I told him, I said, man,

stay out of family, stay out of family things, man, let them resolve. Let them resolve their stuff, man, because they can get Again, another pitfall of the podcast and, bro, you can get caught up so easy, man, just and... I mean, it's just like some people understand, and I'm not going to speak on family business, right? Mm-hmm. I can speak on the avenue of being a nigger who's been in the entertainment record business for 30-plus years, right?

Mm-hmm. I can speak on the aspect of when it comes to writing songs, producing songs, how contracts work. Right? Exactly. I can't speak on personal business. But I know when I do a record with a motherfucker, right? Mm-hmm. You got to know who you're dealing with.

From the jump, right? This is just in general. Spice 1 could call me. He'll say, hey, get on a record. Spice is someone I've been knowing for what? Over 25 years? Probably more. Me and Slip produced record for Spice when he was on Jive Records.

We did, uh, we put, produced, we produced the 187, right there, A to the motherfucking K, whatever, the murder show. Okay. You all did you did? Yeah, me and Slip produced the murder show. We had a, we had a production team called Half-Hounce Productions. So I would come up with bass lines and Slip would come up with drum tracks. And so that's why, that's how we was Half-Ox Productions.

So we produced the murder show. It was through Jive, right? I paid us some upfront money. I wrapped on the song, too. So I got a contract. Says Aaron Tyler, blah, blah, blah, half-ounce productions produced murder show, wrote my portion of murder show.

Have I ever seen a royalty check from John? for murder show? I would probably say not, though, probably say no. Because with his contention upon doesn't have anything to do with you. Then you got to understand

as an artist who rapped on the murder show, I was signed to Sony records, right? Mm-hmm. So being signed to them, whatever, flip-flop, whatever. If I got a royalty check

today for the murder show, it probably would be for about a dollar and something. Let's just keep it real, right? I've done songs with niggas, right? To where, niggas say, hey, can you come do a verse? I go to the studio. Niggin slide me what he going to slide me, right? Mm-hmm.

Some niggas do paperwork. Some niggas, you do it on the hand. handshake deal, right? Exactly. If I've signed a contract with a nigger, it's going to stipulate, right? It's going to stipulate what I'm going to get if we doing paperwork like that. This could be anybody.

This could be anybody from Spice 1 to Snoop Dog to the local hood niggas around the block who got their own little label or whatever, right? I'm going to sign the contract and I'm on that aspect. This is going to say, I wrote my verse. It's going to say, I produce this beat, right? I don't know paperwork. Now, depending on who it is, right, still. Am I expecting a royalty check?

well the thing is and this is what I don't think people don't understand right now this is the thing right you got some up front you got an advance on you got an advance on the production and whatever you did in the rap part whatever you got right you got in the van right

not only are you getting in advance Spice is getting in advance as well for his whole project for his whole entire project I don't know what they gave but yeah he's doing an So you're hired. They bring you in, still, to do

a beat for Spice 1. Jive records. Okay, still, we want you to do a beat for spice. Okay. And also, we heard you rap a little bit, and we want you to bust on it. So not only do we want you

to produce it, we want you to bust on it, too. So you're going to do a contract with Jive, right? Jive is going to hand you a contract saying Norm Steele produced blah blah blah and him he also co-wrote

because you wrote what it's fucking three verses on the song you wrote your first or you were entitled to at least 10% of the writers right if it's 50 for the beat 50 for the writers

you're getting 50 because you did the beat right and then you wrote a verse there's three verses on the song. So out of that 50% of writers, what do you think you should get? Out of that 50% of the writers, man. He got two verses on there and you got one. He got two verses on there. Really? You got the production.

You already got to. Don't even speak on production because you're already claiming you're 50 for production. This is right. If he's getting this, he's getting this thing, man, I would say probably not. even 10. Okay, and that's generous. Because I'd give a nigga 10 because he at least wrote a... It's 50.

Fuck it, I'll take 40 and you take 10. But that's what I'm saying. But listen to this, though, Aid... Any money that you get after that bro, any money that you get after that row, he has the first recoup his budget for any money to get paid out on anything. You feel what I'm saying?

My thing is, still, I'm not even thinking I'm ever for seeing a royalty check. I know the fucking... I don't know nobody is. I've been in this shit. I've been in this shit for 30 fucking years. Migger, I never. I never seen a

motherfucking royalty check for We Come Strack. For fucking death threats. For fucking... I've seen big motherfucking advances. You get me? I was getting big motherfucking advances.

But, Royalty check It's a thing that just doesn't happen You feel what I'm saying It just doesn't happen And I'm Because I'm

I'm But just like any other nigga after 40 years Sony hit me up And said hey We've been looking for you You get me So that's probably to avoid

Some bullshit Yeah Or either they just They could have not been recouped at the time and then 30 years later with streaming and all of that. But, man, I got, I have paperwork, you get me? I could go to Sony, I can go to Sony right now and go, motherfucker.

I put out Wecome strapped 30 years ago. My name is on every motherfucking. Look at the motherfucking credits. First song, written A. Tyler. Second song, A. Tyler. Third, four. six, seven, eight, every song I wrote. So I can go to Sony right now and go, hey, I've never received a royalty check.

And like you said, they're going to claim they never recouped. That's the job, right? Mm-hmm. They never recouped because, but the record sold over a million copies. So how are you going to- I've never, I'll be honest with you, bro. Now, this is what I do know. if you mess around and have a day not like us

or in the club or something that's just one of them big, huge gigantic records, you're probably going to see some money, bro, but that's usually going to come in a form of somebody actually coming to probably give you a publishing deal for your piece of that record.

Exactly. Same with me. Was I getting money from Sony? No. I got money from publishing deals. That's where I could, because I was writing on. all my songs. So I could go get a publishing deal. Because I could go, yeah, that's the next

record I'll defendant put out, I wrote 10 songs on that's usually what they would do. You'd get a publishing deal for 10 songs and, oh, well, shit, I just finished the record. So I hand it over. The thing with the record business, man, you want to get paid as much as you can

up front because you ain't go see nothing else. It's hard. And like I said, I'm not getting into nobody business. because both niggas is my niggas. And that's thing crosses the beer. Those they crosses the beer. Most niggas is my niggas.

So I'm a real back-in-the-day nigger. I don't, you don't fuck around with certain niggas shit. You don't fuck around with bitch. You get me? I don't touch that. That's my nigger. That's my nigger. So I have no opinion.

I'm just a nigger who know I've been in an entertainment. business for 30, 35 years. It's hard to get a it's hard to get a royalty check. You get it. Not to saying that shit is not entitled or whatever, whatever, but I'm just speaking on the fact of

when it comes to a major label. Oh, it ain't nothing. You know, we can talk about that, whatever. I was signed one of the biggest motherfuckers around here, Sony Epic. Royalty check. before you're hearing crickets and shit on the ground. And then,

and then again on that, on a different aspect, if I, if, if, if, if, if,

if, that's just like right now, right? Mm-hmm. It's, it's, it, it all depends on how you get me and

I was a young nigga too still. Ain't no shit about no contracts and paperwork. I didn't know shit. you know it took for some shit to happen to me to where I was discovering you know a nigga was getting

more nigger was getting money but like you can put me in a similar situation right I've wrote every song I've ever rapped I've never had a ghost writer

from the time I start putting out records nigger my first two records and niggas took my publishing have I and and and it could be a dumb move not to

right because I could easily go back right now and go motherfucker where my money right we've had these discussions plenty of times right I could easily go after

a nigger right now or where my money? My first two albums, Nick, I didn't get a dime. Right? I didn't get a dime. And this ain't, this is,

nigga, I'm talking about it's recorded, copy written. Look at the motherfucking shit, right? All songs and two albums, every song written by Aaron Tyler, right? Mm-hmm.

I didn't get a dollar. I didn't get a royalty check. or publishing, and I wrote every motherfucking song. I hear the motherfucker right now today and go, Nick, there's fucking proof. It's right there. And you can't produce no motherfucking contract with my signature on it saying

that you were allowed to keep every royalty in publishing. There is none. So you'd be fucked. Me and Chil was just talking about this shit today when he called from, you know, from the spot. He like, eight, you could go after, yeah, but I'm like, man, it is what it is, man. You get me?

When you start talking about time, man. I came it after 30, 40 years, go, nigger. I didn't receive, and, nigga, you didn't write my verses. So all that shit where I didn't get my publishing and I didn't get no, Nick, all that. And just think about it. Today, the motherfucker's, every motherfucking check that a sound exchanged or a BMI or whoever is sending, sending to his ass when it should be coming to me. Because from day one, you know you didn't write that.

You didn't write him, Lily. And he's getting it. But that era feels, and we've had this discussion with some people that's close to a nigger, whatever. that era feels it's justified because of who I am today. It would never be who I am today if that didn't happen. So take it and walk. That's the attitude that's produced. Not like, oh, nigger just stole your livelihood.

That's money that could be going to your grandkids, your great grandkids. Why should he get to keep it? because I was the nigger that walked you through the door. And you were able to become MC8 because I said, come on, dude. So I should be entitled to keep that. And on that note, man, the game is fucked up. And it is what it is. You know what it is?

You know what we should do, we should have a whole show, man, about how the music business work. And I think if people heard the truth, they wouldn't want to be involved in that shit. But we're going to kick y'all next week. I got a game to go watch. Okay, for sure. Y'all, I'll stay up.

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