The Breakfast Club - THROWBACK: SZA Talks About Her New Album, Ex-Boyfriends, Sidechicks & More

Episode Date: October 23, 2022

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No, just one. A lot of the albums. Just one. First off, have you never had a side chick? Of course. What are you talking about? I've had a few. Also, did she know that she was a side chick?

Yes. Okay, that's a different thing. That's not true. I don't know that. No, no, no. Did they all know they were side chicks? Aren't you married? Yeah, now.

What are you talking about? I've been alive a long time. I'm sorry. Go ahead. But, you know, I listen to the album, and I feel like the album represents for the girl who is dating a guy who has another girl. But like most side chicks do, they catch feelings. And then they want to be the main girl. You talking about Weeknd?

The Weeknd. The Weeknd's on there. Yeah. What else? What was the other record? I don't remember the names of it. That's it? That's the only one?

No, it seems like it's more than that. I know, you just connected to that because that's the life you living. Yeah. I'm not going to lie though, The Weeknd is a standout song on there though. It is. Thank you. I really did. I was listening to it and I really loved it and I was tweeting about it and now I'm doing

a side check playlist for Tidal because of the song The Weeknd. Wait, can I explain this real quick? Mm-hmm. What is it? It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd.

It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. It's a song that's called The Weeknd. though it is like i really did i was listening to it and i really loved it and i was tweeting about it and now i'm doing a side chick playlist for title because of the song wait can i explain this real quick yes okay one so it's more so i think side chick is a male you have to put your lips on the mic i told you this last time um i don't recall thank you angel um you go. We're just here, this is a nice distance. Yes. I feel like it's a male, it's a male bred term where it's like, what I'm actually saying in the song is my man is your man. We all share the same dude saying that I'm aware, I don't care. I'm not trying to like, I don't need to be his girl. Not even saying that you're his girl, saying that none of us are his girl.

All of us are just out here trying to get different things for different reasons. And my particular reason is just get here and do what you said you was going to do. You just want some penis on Friday and Saturday. On this particular song. Right. All weekend. On this particular song. All weekend is the best part of the week.

And for the record, this is like, it's more, I think it's like taking the power back. Because it's like, women just are supposed to do something but like cry and feel weird. And like, oh my God, like I don't have no nigga. Like, he's not my man. I have sex. It's just, it doesn't matter. Just enjoy your life. Focus on what's important to you.

If you want to kick it with the nigga, kick it with him. If you don't, move on. Like, it's not a big, It doesn't have to be a thing. So it's not about pickings being slim out here when it comes to men. It's just about comfortability. It's just about being confident in yourself. Because I think most men don't tell women, you're not my only one. Oh, no, that's how you get in trouble.

You got to be honest from up top. I think you have a rare knack for honesty. I think most men do not for honesty. I think most men do not possess that. Not even most men, just human beings in general. Like, I would be scared

and nervous to admit the things that I feel out loud maybe in a one-on-one room like with a dude, but on wax, it's a lot different. Like,

I can come clean about all kind of things. So I don't know. It's like that. Men kind of have a don't ask, don't tell policy. Right.

I don't know what man you dealing with. If you don't ask them a specific thing, Well, she was telling me a story. No, I'm saying, if you don't know it's like that men kind of have a don't ask don't tell policy If you don't ask them a specific question, they're not gonna volunteer information, I'm telling you off top I got a woman I've been my woman 19 years. I'm letting you know from the start. I mean used to used to yeah I'm letting you know from the beginning I feel like like for certain people like the people would be well, you didn't ask him if he had kids. You didn't ask him if he was married. How do you hide your kids?

You can't hide your kids. You shouldn't even get put through the man that hides his kids. Sometimes people just don't tell you. Have you ever had a guy not tell you he had kids or not tell you? I don't know. He don't feel like I have dated enough dudes with kids. I've maybe dated like one dude with kids. And I don't know.

Like it was very, I love kids. So I'm not the person that you have to hide kids from. I'm always just like, let's all play. Like let's all go somewhere. But I don't know. No.

If a man's hiding his kids from you and you find out, you got to stop giving him pussy and meat. Absolutely. You need to stop talking to him. It's over. I agree. After this album, right,

I listened to the album, I felt like you needed a hug. Oh no. Who hurt SZA? I feel like you got so much on your soul. No, seriously, who hurt SZA, man? I was like, I listened to the album, I felt like you needed a hug. Oh, no. Who hurt Shizzo? I feel like you got so much on you. No, seriously, who hurt Shizzo, man? I was like, I got to get wrong. Four years worth of niggas.

No, I just, I just, I'm exasperated. No, I just, it's really just, I never really talked about like relationships in a direct way I'm we used to be very metaphorical very figurative very like um and also just kind of scared like to talk about the way I felt

in a literal way or like very directly and I think all these relationships that I'm talking about are over did you feel like you needed a man for approval

because in some of the songs it felt like you were looking for approval like supermodel like my ass say my ass looks bigger you know yes

I think all women are. I think from the person that, it's like it's weird. You could be this hella confident person, but if the one person that you want to find you beautiful

doesn't find you beautiful, it kind of doesn't mean anything. Like it just negates all these things even though all these things are still true. Like you're still beautiful, you're still gnarly.

So I basically took this idea of you know when you want a man he's unattainable like you want his attention you want his favor you want you want to be the apex of his taste level like all these things so it's just a natural feeling it's like um i've been thick i've've been thin, I've had ass, I've lost ass. And I felt like insecure in the process of losing weight and losing booty, but like, you love me and you're my friend. So like lie to me for today. And then tomorrow you can come clean and be like, okay, but for real. Did you have a guy that was like all into you

when you was like bigger? And like he was kind of making you feel bad about being bigger, but then when you lost the weight, he still tried to like play mind games with you? No, no. Actually, I am blessed to have dealt with real niggas. I don't really deal with niggas who talk to me like that. That's crazy.

When I was bigger, I was actually mad at my man because he didn't tell me. I was like, what? Yeah. How did you miss that? But it's more so- He loved you regardless. He didn't care how big you were. And that was the key.

And I think that's just the bottom line. And I was more so focused on being happy and being in the situation. It's more so the way you see yourself. Because you know we don't see the world as it is. We see it as we are. So I felt fat. I felt ugly. I felt undeserving.

So I would look for things and probably dig in places that there weren't any things to be dug up. So what happened to him? I don't know. The record, what song on the album is about that guy? I don't know. All of them. I don't know. Maybe Gojina.

Maybe Gojina. I think. My dumb ass listened to that record three times last night. Cause I was trying to figure out if it was about Martin. Oh my God. I love, first of all, yes,

kind of. Okay. Yeah. Um, it's more so like Gina is always like the semi-corporate kind of stuck up, but also really beautiful and like has a sense of humor. But she looked like she, if she lived like Pam, she might have more fun so it's like you might just like just go get some

get right like go gina like do you live your life and like don't be afraid to be crazy like remember that time that martin came to that party the hotel party and he thought it was like a real a corporate trip that you know pam went on and he thought it was gonna be like a real shindig like if that was the energy like if, if she just played more, if she was just, like, let go, like, yeah. I see what you're saying. On the record, anything. That's an interesting record, too.

Oh, my God, we're, like, really talking about my album. That's great. All right, the album, first of all, the album's dope. Thank you. Like, really dope. For me, that means a lot. No, it's really dope. Thank you.

But you keep repeating, do you even know I'm alive? Yeah. It sounds like you're trying to get someone's attention. Yeah, so I feel like. See, that's why I said you needed a hug, man. That record was like real. This album is like a release. It's like a release from over the last four years, I haven't been just doing music.

I've been burying friends, family, like burying family members, burying weight. The way I feel about myself, the way I feel about the world, the way I feel about God, the way I process information. I've just been growing as a human being, and I didn't even realize that I was just kind of in a box. I was missing a lot of worlds going on. So I think singing from my perspective of the world where it's like, I don't know.

I felt like trapped in myself and then around my friends and then around like guys. Like I just, I couldn't explain it. It was weird. It was like I felt very invisible around very many people. So that's why you said, do you even know I'm alive? So you're talking to a whole bunch of people. I'm talking to myself. Got you, got you, got you.

It's like a lot of this, most of this album is me talking to myself. Got you, got you, got you. It's like, a lot of this, most of this album is me talking to me. So if I'm talking about saying, like, even for the weekend, like, a lot of these things have dual meanings. Like, I'm singing from the girlfriend and from the other perspective. Like, I've been the girlfriend that didn't know, and I've been the girl that didn't know that you had a girlfriend. So it's like, I don't know. It's like, you just got to sing from different points of view,

like from where your mind is at. Different experiences you had. Exactly. Did Top Dog Entertainment have anything to do with that? What, you feeling like you're not alive because they wouldn't give you a release date? Oh, my God, no. Okay. So T.D. is very...

Because you did wake up one day and kind of bug out on him just a little bit. I did. What happened? Explain. I did. She just woke up one day and was like bug out on him just a little bit. I did. What happened? Explain. I did. She just woke up one day and was like, I don't know if you said

you wanted off the label or you were like, when is my album coming out? It was nighttime. Yeah. I was up all day. But you know, I was conscious.

I made a full-blown decision. How soon did you regret that? What drove you to that? I'm just hella childish. And I think when I just get caught up in some shit, like depending on what it is, like, I don't know. Like, I just felt very overwhelmed. I felt like the pressure.

It's like halfway through, I felt like people were expecting something from me. And I was like, I don't know how to meet expectations. Like, I'm just a human being that's, like, borderline not even sure if this is a hobby or not. Really? And then I just felt like a lot of not like and then okay I was I felt I just felt like a lot of pressure and I just felt like I didn't know what to do and then punch is very like stoic like very chill but hyper chill so we're like and I asked a lot of questions so if I'm like what do you think about this what do you think about that and he's just like after like

the fourth question his answers just but I don't know. They just turn into that. So I'm asking him questions about my album. He's still saying, I don't know. I'm like, how you feeling about the album? How you feeling about the song? I don't know. Do you think this song is strong enough? Do you think I should get rid of this song?

It's Kendrick, though. Yo. At everybody. Wait, no, but it's like, I'm like, yo. I'm like, I need answers. I need to figure out, like, where am I? Like, how do you feel?

And he just wouldn't answer me and I just, and that was also the day I watched somebody, like, pass away for the first time. It was really crazy. So you were emotional that day? I was hella emotional.

I was hella over it. And then, I'm also a Scorpio, which is just like, just add that shit up. So who called you first after you put that out there? Who was the first call

that you got? That's how I think nobody even called me because I think they were just like, they were just like, they were like, but also like, but also like, is she, is she wild and like, is she okay? Or I think everyone just assumed that I was wild

and I was going to be fine. Nobody hit you? No, I talked, of course, top, like outside of the obvious, like I spoke to top, I spoke to dot, I spoke to punch that night and i i don't know i think they didn't even say anything they just listened to me right and that's all you need sometimes somebody to listen yeah now think about when you first signed to tde and how you are now yeah it was a lot of artist development for you so what does artist development actually

mean i mean it means tell you that like you put out an album No I really don't know I've always wanted to know but I feel like I gotta ask you because it's you You know because like even just the way that you dress, the way that you present yourself, the confidence that you have now I'm low key also very nervous however No because when I first met you you gotta think like you probably had no idea what it was that you really were going to put out. Like, just even your music from early on and how it progressed to now you being able to open up and be honest about your experiences. I don't even think I'd be here again. Like, at this table with y'all again. I just thought that was like.

Why? I don't know. I just didn't. I don't know. But that's artist development. Even just writing for other people. I don't agree with that. I think you just grow as a human being.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think anybody at TD could teach you how to be a woman. No, no, no. Not that they teach you, but I think sometimes people want to assign people that they're ready to put out right now. They already have everything ready. And for you, it was more like you discovering yourself, and people need time to do that. And it is time to grow.

I commend my label because they didn't know that I needed time to do that. They definitely thought that came. You were a raw talent. Yeah, we were raw, raw. They didn't know that I needed time to build that. They definitely thought that I came. You were a raw talent, yeah, you were a raw, raw. They didn't know that I needed time to build all that. They just supported me the way I was, and even when I gained weight and lost weight and stopped lotioning and started lotioning.

What? And like, just had to comb my hair, I'm not combing my hair. What? I'm getting braces, I'm not getting braces. I just went through mad different phases of wilding out, like it just being me. And I think they just supported me every time.

When I wanted to start a whole new song for the album, Punch was just like, okay, let's find another studio. Cause some labels will just drop you if it doesn't work out right away. No, no. And it was, they were so like, literally like me wilding out on Twitter and like being a brat will get me dropped quicker

than wilding out and looking crazy in the world or needing artist development. Like they respect me for who I am. I'm not giving you a release date neither if you're an ashy woman. What? I'm ashy right now. You can put up with some ashy niggas,

but a girl cannot be sitting in the studio ashy. You're crazy. Now she exfoliates and she does a little bit. What means you not want to use lotion? I don't want to. It's like an extra five whole minutes. I thought you was joking for real, but you're using lotion? Now I use body oil and hemp oil and coconut oil and lots of oils and shea butter.

But still not every day. Like, I can't. It's still like a task. It takes like five whole minutes to get your whole body. Because, first of all, okay. This is funny. If you think about humectants and the way that those work, you got to lotion while you wet. So that you, like, keep the moisture in.

Right. But it's like now I got to air dry. And it's like this is now 15 minutes into my, I got to go. So now I'm not lotioning. I'm here. You didn't expect that from a woman. You know women have to take a little bit of extra time to get ready.

No. No, if I was 15 minutes late, you would say. I'd rather you take the time to put lotion on your elbows. I'm un-lotioning. I'm on time. Now let's talk about the sound of this album. You said you changed the sound of this album.

And listen to the album. There's nothing like this album out that I've heard in a while. So what made you change the sound of this album. And listen to the album. There's nothing like this album out that I've heard in a while. So what made you change the sound of the album and why? I don't think I consciously changed the sound. I think I just didn't know what my sound was. I didn't know who I was or what I wanted to make sonically or what I was trying to achieve or what I was attracted to sonically. I think music was like a separate entity and then I was just over here being me,

but I didn't know how to conjoin the two or merge me into the way that I process music. So me singing in falsetto and whispering and being hella metaphorical and dealing with reverb, I don't have any introduction to music. So if all I know is plug-ins and let's just put 13 of them hoes on there and turn all these backgrounds up and it's's a song like that's all i knew so now learning about songs and like when you turn down all the reverb and all the plugins and all the stacks and all these things like you left just with your voice and your thoughts and then now you kind of have to say something you don't have to say anything but you have to mean it. The easiest thing to say is the truth.

On Supermodel, you said you've been secretly banging your dude's homeboy on Valentine's Day. First of all, I was supposed to go through all these songs in a very tender, safe place. And now I feel attacked. I did not come away with any explanation. I respect the honesty. I respect the truth in this. I'm not judging. No, I'm not judging. I don't feel attacked. I wrote the... But you said you've been secretly banging your dude's homeboy? Yeah.

It's a true story? On Valentine's Day? It is a true story. Oh my goodness. It was. It wasn't... It happened once. I hope so.

You gotta tell this story. He had an orgy in Vegas. His mans called me and told me. So his mans were hating on him. Kind of. I don't know if his mans was hating on him as much as... I don't know if his mans was hating on him as much as... I don't know if his mans was hating on him as much as... I don't know if his mans was hating on him as much as... I in Vegas. And his mans called me and told me. So his mans were hating on him.

Kind of. I don't know if his mans was hating on him as much as his mans was comfortable with me. Like, I was friends with his fans. Like, his fans were like my son. What? No, that's foul. So they felt like. But they told me on some like. Did you say his fans were like your son?

Yes. It was like an accident. Like, because, you know, it was like, if you like, if I'm nurturing, right? Hold on a second. Hold on now. So your mans homeboy called you. To drop down you to tell you that your man was having an argument. But it didn't come out like that. And you rewarded him with pussy?

No. No, no, no. That's not who I'm talking about. That's not who I'm talking about. Ew, that would be so terrible. He was in Vegas doing that, and you were at home. No. Oh, my God.

Wait. So it was another guy. Wait, you have to clear my character first. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay. I did sorry. Okay. I did not sleep with the boy that told me. Did he sleep with the snitch? Right.

He's foul. You shouldn't trust him. Aw. In hindsight, I'm pretty sure I can't trust any of them. And he told on him. You can't trust none of them. So who'd you sleep with? That's kind of the bottom line.

That's where I... All of them can't be trusted. Who'd you sleep with? So it was this boy that I... Just like a boy that I liked and I've been seeing. And we had been kind of the bottom line. That's where I... All of them can't be trusted. That was cruel. So it was this boy that I... Just like a boy that I liked and I've been seeing and we had like been kind of talking and like I wasn't giving him any play because I liked my boyfriend.

And I wanted him to like me. And then he just didn't on Valentine's Day, he like aimed me with a... It was crazy. He aimed me, he didn't call me, didn't text me. He aimed me on top of the orgy phone call. So I'm just like, I'm like. You don't use aim anymore.

It was crazy. Well, this is back in the, this is all old also too. Yeah, of course. In the words of Ghostface, you don't get a man back like that though. Like you can't sleep with another man. Oh, I know better. It wasn't intentional. It was just now. It just happened.

The song is more intentional than the action. Right. You were vulnerable at the time. I was mad as hell on some Scorpio shit quite long ago. I would never wish that on me. Did you tell him? Did you tell the guy? No, but y'all just did.

Oh, so he don't even know about this. The album's not out yet. First of all, most of the people that I've dated are so arrogant. They would never even assume that this is about them. They'd be like, this must be about someone else. No, they're so arrogant, they're going to think it is about them. No, absolutely not. They'd be like, I know she ain't talking about me

because she would never trip on me like that or whatever. Now, the dude who smashed on Valentine's Day, definitely going to say something. He's the most arrogant. He'll be like, I wonder what nigga had. Who that? I wonder. It's definitely, and that's it, I'm sure.

Now, you start off delving to win. That's the record with Kendrick, right? Correct. You started off by saying, niggas do not deserve pussy. He said real niggas. that's it i'm sure now you start off dove in the wind that's the record with kendrick right that's you started off by saying do not deserve said real right he's a real real don't deserve i call that song the song there's so much pussy everyone calls it the song what does that mean you put way more pussy in it than i did it was like they get the whole box it was mild before he came exactly what does that mean? Real niggas don't deserve pussy? So the next sentence is meaning it's more you see right through walls. Ain't talking about pussy.

So saying like, meaning you deserve more. Pussy is, it's connected to me. It's a thing. There's a lot more that I can give you besides pussy that can build you. And that can. Okay. All they hear is pussy. And that's all they hear. And they can't have none. So it's like. It's not real. can give you besides that can build you and that can okay meaning it's more you see right through walls so seeing through my walls like the my the walls i put up like emotional walls mental walls emotional issues i don't even know I have that you be putting up with the

pussy's awesome but that's what happens when you get the pussy first yeah you just a pussy first and don't give a guy a chance to know you right then all he sees is the pussy in the beginning it's kind of hard to go back stop saying that word so we can play oh my god it's kind of it's kind of hard to go backwards you know what I'm saying like once I hit then you want me to get to know you? Right. Yeah. It happens all the time.

It happened with John Legend. It worked for John Legend. I mean, yeah. Oh, my God. All right, now let me, what was it like meeting RZA? I love RZA. I love his turtlenecks. Wonderful turtlenecks.

He's very, he's exactly, he's like a character, like a movie character. He's brilliant. He's like, he's got hella different facets. He's multifaceted as fuck and in a way that you can quantify. So if you'd be like, yo, can I get some Bobby Digital plus today's math plus a little bit? He'd be like, okay, and then go into this. And he'll just go off into that. But he's also very warm and nostalgically parental. It's weird.

Were you a Wu-Tang fan? Because you were young. My sister was a heavy Wu-Tang fan because you were young like you didn't my sister was a heavy Wu-Tang fan and I just caught the the wind basically my sister is like my introduction to every sound

because she used to listen to Tupac and Wu-Tang and Lil Jon like Bone Crusher just a lot of aggressive music this was in New Jersey

she's from California but she moved to New Jersey so she's taking all her like West Coast influences and bringing them where I live and I don't know like when I eavesdrop and see what I can see and just take whatever I can, I just get like, I'm very easily obsessed.

Woo was very cool to me. They were so dirty. Is that why you call yourself the SZA? Well, that was actually, I feel like that kind of, it's weird how things kind of fold into each other and then just start to make sense. My name is Solana.ana my friends call me souls for sure which is like sosa but at the time chief keith had just came out and it was he was like sosa and it was crazy like i can't be sosa also so az was sosa too was he yeah i love az do you mean like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do me for that for so long they were like you're not a wu-tang they did yeah it was crazy they're like you're not a will member who are you now on love galore that's another dope record you're scolding

a man for being with you when he got a woman and i was listening to it saying you know it takes two right what do you mean if you know yeah she's saying she a lot of times from the record it seemed like you were real honest you You real honest. You real honest. So, basically, it's one of those casual situations where you see a dude in public, and he's always trying to, like, be cool with you or whatever the case may be. And he won't admit that he has a girlfriend. Everyone told you he has a girlfriend. Your own eyes kind of make you feel like he has a girlfriend. But then like, it's just like, what is this?

It's annoying, but it's also like, all right, whatever. So the song is more so about like, when I said, your crew, know your crew better than you do. So this is speaking in the same sense of the dude calling me, telling, because I know your friends. Like I do your friends laundry. I've cooked cooked for your friends i know your niggas so i'm just like so and and i'm just saying like this is it just be like that it sounds sometimes dudes are wild foul and you say why bother me when you know you don't want why right it's because you're letting them hit no

but how do you know if it's about hitting it It's about, you might want the idea of me. The video was very sexy, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. I was like, look at SZA. How was that orgy call? What he called us and said, hey, your man's here doing the orgy. Like, how was that conversation? Oh, my God.

So it slipped out. It was an accident. It does not slip out. Yeah, that don't know what he was doing. It slipped. No, no, he was also like, oh, my God. I was like, are you guys having a good time? And he was like, oh, my God. Lonnie, we're guys having a good time? And he was like, oh my god.

Loni, we're having such a good time over here. We're at this mansion, and we're having it. And it just slipped out. That did not slip out. It slipped out. I think he was definitely on something as well. So he was in a very good mood. And these are like very.

We fucked all these bitches. Damn it, man. And that's how that happened. And I was like, oh wow, it's crazy. Except your man. Except your man. He didn't do it. So crazy. It's something an amazing time. And I was like, oh, wow, that's crazy. Except your man. Except your man. He didn't do it. So crazy.

It was an amazing time. Have you ever cheated, SZA? You talking about it throughout the album. Yes. Oh, no. Yes, but I feel like I'm justified for the reasons. Yeah, all y'all was revenge. For the reasons at hand. And honestly, like, if a dude is not treating you as his girl,

if he's, who knows if he's claiming you in every circle. If he's having orgies. Who knows if he's having orgies. Who knows if he's even considering you in the same way that you're seeing him as a man. Who, like, you're not his girl in his brain. So did I cheat on anyone? Because you didn't have a girl. Is that how you rationalize this? If I was to try to say that as a man, you'd did i cheat on anyone because you didn't have a girl you told everyone you didn't have a girl and you told me you didn't have a girl no no that's your guilt talking again i wasn't talking to you

i would never are you seeing somebody now? Huh? Um, um, um. For the sake of this album, no. Lord knows. No, I was trying to explain what my seeing someone situation. I feel like right now I'm very, I'm in a space where I've never been in a place before in my life and I don't know anything about myself so

I'm learning about myself I'm learning about and honestly I think I was in a lot of these unhealthy relationships because I didn't have enough self love like built up so

and I found when I fixed the way I felt about myself like these situations didn't happen to me anymore like I haven't dealt with a trife dude in so long.

Like, in so long. And I'm super blessed and grateful for that. But I do know it's about what you tolerate, what you tolerate, what you... Or even what you believe in, what you want to hold on to. You can't be scared to be lonely, like you said. You can't be scared to be lonely,

but you also can't be afraid to, like, let your pride go. Because he could do all these things, and because your homegirl say Don't mess with him. You don't wanna mess with me anymore, but You can't only now like this makes no sense like you still love him He still loves you like these things are workable people are human beings people grow people change anything is possible So it's like it's kind of just in a realm of I don't know I'm just you can't trust guys at this point in your in your career

No, no, absolutely sexy now you don't got all sexy'm just chilling. You can't trust guys at this point in your career, though. No, no, absolutely not. Because you're sexy now. You done got all sexy and glowed up on them. Oh, my God, thank you. You got an album coming out. People know you about to blow. Somebody out here going to try to trap you. I cannot. I simply cannot.

I'm untrappable. You're untrappable? All right, you say that until somebody accidentally takes that condom off. Oh. Now, listen, I like... You were classy for like 40 minutes. And I was like, wow, this girl is so crazy.

I like normal girl too. Thank you. I almost took that off. Really? Yeah. I feel like that's what you were talking about a little while ago. Tell me if I'm wrong because my interpretation might be different. But it sounded like you were waiting for a man to get his shit together and make an honest woman out of you.

No. If you're saying normal girl, if you're saying you love the way I pop my top, love how I lose my cool, love how I look at you, saying like, I be wilding and you love that shit. So I'm a headache, I'm stressful,

and it's just the way I am, but I'm also fun as hell. And we're going to do this for as long as you want to do it. That's all that is. And but saying normal girl, like feeling like I've always wanted to be, I feel like the dudes that I ended up dating were always dating, like, this, like, arch type where it was, like, several degrees,

very aristocratic, like, very, like, super conservative and reserved with, like, a mean press out and, like, very, like, just something very crazy and nice skin and drink hella water and, like, a lot of credentials. And I don't know. It's a long list. Yeah, you thought about this one. But it's true.

Like, for those are the kind of girls, and I don't know why I always end up dating dudes that date, like, the craziest of women. And I think, like, on a positive scale. So that was me feeling like, like, these are normal girls to you. This is what you consider a normal girl. I wish I was a normal girl, because I'm not organized. I don't make sense a lot of times and again

I'll be wildin but I am fun. So it's just that you be wildin. You said that three times. What does you be wildin mean? Not like that but I'm some like like I adventure really hard and I play really hard so like I went to Mexico Got hit by a car. Hmm, but continued my trip had a fantastic time but no no what they come out with them guns you're gonna walk away from whatever happened to you because you don't want to be caught up in no mess and i was just racing with my friend on some motorcycles and she hit like a back street and i was trying to cut her off and i couldn't so i went around and then this taxi just came and side swept me and I just.

I was in a G-string coming from the beach. All of a sudden all these police just came with like very large guns and they were screaming. I'm okay. I just paid $1,000 and bounced. That was it with my life. Even though I got hit I was just limping. I'm just like it's all cool, I don't even care.

Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, no I had my ankle, my arm, my scrapes, my rib. And then I had Montezuma's Revenge the next day. Oh, diarrhea. For nine hours. It was so crazy, son. No, I drove to Playa del Carmen. I was in Tulum.

Oh. I just went there. Were you fat at this time? I was in the, what do they call it? The cenotes? And first of all, fat is a very offensive word. Don't say that. Tell them.

What do you want me to say? Don't call that. Tell them. What do you want me to say? Don't call anybody fat. What do you want? Big? You look at all those other adjectives you had in your rolling decks. Just prepared. Other than fat. So you was medium size.

I'm just trying to imagine you medium size sitting on the toilet. She's never been fat. I was larger than I am now. I was in the cenotes. I had a great time. I love the cenotes. But I didn't get sick. I didn't get sick until it was fine. But I wanted to do waterotes. I had a great time. I love the cenotes. But I didn't get sick. I didn't get sick in Tulum. It was fine.

But I wanted to do water sports because I'm extra. And I drove into Playa del Carmen. And, yeah, I was having a great time. My mouth was open. And I was just screaming, like, having a great time in the jet skis. And I just. Why wouldn't a guy like that? That sounds like fun, especially if you're paying for it.

Because I also got him hit on a car. In Mexico? Yeah. Hold on. You got him hit, oh you got him hit too on the back of the bike with you yeah but like what do you get for the back of a bike yeah that's what he did he should have been driving the bike what the hell drive the bike I drive better I'm not gonna risk this race for you just hang hang on. Yeah. And we out. Enjoy the ride. You a little crazy, Sinsley. Oh, my God.

Are you still writing for other people? Oh, my God. I think I'm, like, ready now. I don't think I was ready before when people were asking me to write because I had never written for anybody before. But now I think I'm kind of developing. I think everybody has a different way that they communicate with the world and via music in general. And I had to has a different way that they communicate with the world and via music in general.

And I had to figure out the way that I communicated with the world and what my, like, form of musical communication was. And I think before I could really write for someone with confidence. And now, you know, it's like you have to find a style. It's like, if you don't have a style, then you're kind of writing for other people with them in mind. Like, what would you say? But I think honesty and, you know,

all those words come from a place that counts for everybody. Like, it's about how you know everybody, not just how you know you. So I just had to figure out what my style was, how I communicate what I feel, what I know, and just streamline it in some way. But, like, keep it, I don't know. I just had to learn more about myself before I could write for other people. I'm ready now.

Is that your grandma or your mom giving you advice about the album? That's my granny and my mom, actually. Yeah, okay. I thought it was two different people. Yeah. They sound like they Gs. They are Gs.

I have the best family in the world. And I'm sure everyone has a beautiful family. They was giving you a lot of advice on guys. You tell them everything? I never. It was crazy that I spent my whole life not asking my mother about men or asking my grandmother or asking my father.

Nobody talked to me or my sister about men my entire life. And I think I had more focus on activities or what I wanted to do. So did my family. They never talked to me about aesthetic or being attractive, which I resented when I got older because I'm like damn I wish somebody just put me on I had to like polish up like every now and again when I really wanted to. I was an athlete, exactly. And I ran track.

They just put them in sports? You ain't got time for boys. You just practicing all day so we ain't got to have that kind of thing. Little ashy athlete. Oh no, yes definitely still an ashy athlete. I don't know. I think. So the weight gain had to be harder because you were a gymnast. So you was always thin.

I was muscular. I was buff. I was very, like, I was very heavy. Even as a gymnast. And I ran track. So I have, like, very. Say, hey. What'd you win?

100, 200? Me too. I have very, like, dense quads and a lot of muscle memory. So that packed on with eating and everything else was just very heavy and very difficult to get off because 200 feels like 220 when you have muscle or anything else involved. It was crazy. Was it a lot of stress eating?

Yes. I love eating when I have shit on my mind. I'm just like, I'm bored. I want to eat. I'm sad. I want to eat. I'm happy. Let's eat.

Now we can go shopping. Let's shop and eat. So with your man or your prior man, you are very competitive. You compete on everything when it comes to your man. No. No? With my man or for my man? Both. Why do you say that? I mean, because you're an athlete. No? With my man or for my man? Both.

Why you say that? I mean, because you're an athlete, so that's what you've basically been trained to do. So no matter what it is with your man, you got to be better. I'm going to make you come first. Nobody win. That's a gift, okay?

It always goes that way. No woman wants that, okay? A real man lets you come first. But you don't ever let him win. Oh, my God. My mother is going to see this. She definitely told me after Love Girls, she said you don't ever let him win. Oh, my God. My mother's going to see this. She definitely told me, after Love Girl, she said, don't do that shit no more. This counts as that shit.

This whole conversation, I'm not listening. But go ahead. Yes, I am. I'm very competitive, and I can't help it. It's weird. I didn't even notice. I, like, just realized that with men because... But it's exciting. It's healthy.

It's like, you slay, I slay. I slay you. Now come catch up. And then we'll go back. It'll be like, whatever. Look what I got. I got a new disc. You got a new disc.

It's fun. And I guess track and being a gymnast is really a one-on-one competition. It's not like a, you know... It's weird. Like, it is and it's not. Because it's like you have to represent your group. You have to not embarrass the people that you with. But it's like, and if you shine too hard, people don't like you.

And then you kind of like out your group. And then it's like life, really. Right. But it's like your points and your details and everything that you prepared for is like for right now. But it also reflects on a whole like of humanity and society and i don't know just don't play yourself well why was um drew barrymore an inspiration to you because you got the record and then she she bigged you up i think it was you was on kimmel right yeah i did play kimmel and then she went on ballad or something and said um she's so nice. She's amazing.

Why is she an inspiration to you? For you to do a whole record named after her. A whole three minutes. Yeah. Basically, I think when she came out,

there was something very interesting. Or when I was younger, I feel like all the actresses of that time, or all the white actresses of that time, like the Nicole white actresses of that time, like the Nicole Kidmans and the Michelle Pfeifers

and the very polished, so polished. The hands look like, remember cartoon hands and Cruella de Vil? But they look like that. Or even Glenn Close. Glenn Close wasn't the epitome of textbook beauty in Fatal Attraction, but she was still white and blonde and wore all white and angelic. This was the idea. And with Drew, it was just kind of like,

she's quirky, she has crooked teeth, she has a belly laugh. She really laughs from here. It's a giggle. She has a lisp, I have a lisp. She's made me feel... I related to her characters a lot. She had an incredible life growing up, too.

I didn't even know that. She beat drugs. She was on drugs real bad at one point. She was like a child star going to parties and doing all kinds of crazy stuff when she was really young. She was an ET. Classic.

It just made me feel... I'm a goofy person, and I think I attach to all... I love living single for the same reason. Attaching to Khadija or Sinclair for those because they're hella goofy and that's just how I get down it's just

I was going to ask if you had any black female influences. Yeah, tons. Felicia Rashad tons of those. It's just a matter of when I think of movies and like I'm thinking of usually like fashion, hair and energy for movies and like visual, like what inspires me so when i think of

like drew barrymore i think of what poison ivy and when she's swinging on that swing and like her hair to the side and like she's kind of in a dark place but she's like kind of sad she's lonely she wants more she's with this girl that seems to have a perfect life who's also rather boring and she's over her life too but like it's weird's weird. She's like dysfunctional, on some weird sexual deviant shit. Like she's just weird. So it just made me feel like this dark beat and my friends make everything from scratch. So when they play the chords and like all that,

it just kind of builds and you start to see a show in your head. Did you grow up around a lot of white people in Jersey? I did. Is that why you kind of- Shout out to Maplewood, New Jersey. Is that kind of why your images of beauty are like white women, I guess? What makes you think my images of beauty are white women? I'm just saying you said you was kind of one song after a white woman.

It was a very mixed environment. If my images of beauty were after a white woman, my hair would not be textured. No. But you've grown. I am? No, I think if anything, growing up around white people just made me I am no I no I think if anything growing up around white people

just made me under like to see different facets of what I've seen all kind of white people I think if it comes to the loving

warm accepting I've seen some ignorance in all shades I've seen some hate I've seen some really sad things I've seen support

in all colors and shades so I just I think if anything it just kind of I've had a weird experience like even in gymnastics like my hair doesn't slick back like y'all's like the spray glitter don't look the same I have a different build like you know black girls just built different like body like I'm on this team and I'm and I'm still small because I'm a gymnast but I'm kind kind of shapely, and I'm in a leotard, and my legs are out, and it's like it's a different experience for me. So I think, and in my Girl Scout troop, like, being the only black girl

is more so, I don't know, I've had a beautiful experience. I've had some learning experiences. I've had some unfortunate experiences with white people. Did that contribute to your insecurity at all? No, I don't think white people in particular contributed to my insecurity. I think society, myself, and the way that I think self-love is a very weird thing to try to teach your kids. Because it's kind of led by example only. Like, and they kind of pick up on it and absorb it.

And, like, my parents are so, like, they're corporate and accomplished and, like, all these other things. I don't know. Like, we just didn't really, I never really took time to build my confidence at all, like, ever. So I think, I don't know. And my homegirls, like, I was very, I was also very comfortable, like, being the meek, like, I don't know, like, the goofy one. Like, I'm the friend. Like, I was always okay like being that and my friends are so beautiful and they dressed well and like they would give me pointers and like call my baby here and whatever else they felt like dressing me up in for the day but I think the

insecurities just came from like I don't know it's just the way I was built I think I've always been that way. When I was a gymnast. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think who's good now? Who's like, who's 100% good now all the time? I think I'm very happy with the way my life is shaping. I feel very blessed. I'm super happy to not be as unhealthy as I was before.

I'm happy that I feel like I have a choice when I see pasta. How do you feel about the album? I think it was a bad day. I don't know. I don't know. I was really happy that he said it was good. I was really happy that he said it

because I was like, really? I mean, I've tried to... We have this backup plan, right? To where if I... This backup plan. Me and Sage made a backup plan to where if I couldn't... I couldn't like handle releasing the album

Because I didn't like it But I would release a photo of me listening to the album and just explained that I finished it Explain what it's all about and then just like leave it It's like that with art though once you create it's almost just up for public consumption now Like you do your best work, and then you got a release You know when it's your best work, and that you got to release it to the public. But is it? When do you know when it's your best work? And that was my issue. I think a matter of like, I think when I was younger,

I was very quick and excited to be like, I'm special. I'm good at this, I'm this, this, and that. But when you get older, you start to realize how small you are in the world, and you're not. All of us are special, but none of us are more special than the other, like, at all. But, and it's just, it's just interesting. Like, it's very humbling. It's very, and then it's weird.

It's a fine line between humbling and, like, crippling. Because it's like, when you realize that you're not the shit, or like, you're not, you know, everything you think you are, but there's a lot of room to grow. It's very inspiring and exciting, but it's also like, have I done enough growing yet to go back in the world? Like, am I prepared to be in this place? And I think that's kind of where I was. My father would always say, you're never as good as they say you are

and you're never as bad as they say you are. I like that. That's just the mentality to have. So you're definitely putting this album out. There's no listening to it. I'm gone now. When you told me you heard it, I'm like, shit.

I'm going to put it out. You're not going to put it out. You can't put it out. I get why you like it. Thank you. I do like it. I've gone now. When you told me you heard it, I'm like, shit. I'm gonna put it out. You're not gonna put it out. I get why you like it. Thank you. I do like it. I think it's dope. Women are going to love this album. Because I told you I felt like a lot of emotions when I was listening to it. Because there's a lot of

situations that we've all been in. And not too many songs that we have that we can relate it to. What's the date of that? This Friday? I'm a R&B head. Wait, what's the date of that? This Friday. This Friday, okay. I'm a R&B head.

Like I love Erykah Badu, I love Floetry. Like I love Marsha Ambrose as a solo artist. I love Jill Scott, I love Solange. I love Amy Winehouse. So this is kind of, this is in that vein. The 20-somethings is the perfect anthem too, I think for a lot of 20-somethings. Just trying to figure it out.

I feel that way that was an exercise a writing exercise is that a constant struggle are you looking forward to the 30s are you just working it out now i don't know i feel rushed punch take your time girl when punch is mad at me he just tells me i'm 30 to just when to make me feel bad like to just be like what do you mean what i know it's terrible when you it's terrible when he's mad at me and he feels like I'm being immature. Like, he'd just be like,

dude, you're 30. And it'll just be like, wow, this is terrible. I can't believe you just said that. Are you 30? No, he said that to hurt my feelings. To make me feel...

You gotta be more mature. Right. He's saying, like, I need to get over... But I think my 20s have been the most, like, violent, weird experience. Violent? Violent doesn't have to mean physical violence. It doesn't have to mean blood, go, weird experience. Violent?

Violent doesn't have to mean physical violence. It doesn't have to mean blood, gore, guts, the literal. It could be violent. You've never felt like something is jolting,

like emotionally abrasive. It's like it's been visually abrasive. I think for right now, for anyone who's in their 20s and watching the state of the world in their teens and their any age

is on some whole other shit right now. It just feels crazy. So I think my my 20s just been a lot of learning like i'm sure i have quite a bit to go before 30 but by 30 i'm trying to chill like be on some zen like you got to get all your get a farm don't take this the wrong way but you have to get all your hoeing out before 30 like any i thought that's when it starts no no you got to get it out you got to get it out before 30 you do whatever you want no my aunt you do whatever you want my aunt called me and was just like I'm gonna go see this man and this is not but she's not she's so conservative she's not like what are you talking about but but it made me she's just like she's comfortable

and confident and established and paid like so she's just doing what she wants so I just thought older women well your album is very confident and established and paid. So she's just doing what she wants. So I just thought older women, just be doing what they want. Well, your album is very confident and very in control. Thank you. So that's a good sign. Are you going on tour? I am. Thank God, finally.

I'm tired of singing the same songs. I feel like I'm bored with my own music. But I'm finally going and I'm going to rehearse. And I'm really excited this time. I think last time with tour, I didn't know what I was doing. I'm gonna rehearse and I'm really excited this time. I think last time with tour I didn't know what I was doing I never performed alive I never even knew that I sang full voice that was an accident that I found out on tour which is how this album kind of came around with the sound like not knowing that I was singing in falsetto and a much lower tone when you're live with a

loud-ass bang you have to like yell over them in order to hear yourself etc so I don't know that kind of like blend we don't know what you're talking about but somebody's learning she's learning and she she's saying what she's not either that's good because a lot of people might not know that because i didn't know with me no i just talked about tour that's all is it true you stopped wearing your hijab after 9 11. you used to wear um that is semi-true yes i read that somewhere no yeah so um my parents my mother mother's Christian and my father's Muslim. So I would wear my hijab whenever my mom was very supportive. Like I went to Muslim prep school on Fridays.

I went to Juma with my dad. And I felt very, my dad kind of ran my household. So that's just kind of the way everybody went. But I still go to church with my mom every other sunday or etc because my dad is understanding and a human being um so i don't know when 9-11 happened it was just like i don't know like it became a thing and i didn't know it was a thing like kids were very like for a while i'm sure yeah and they were very sure about the way that they felt about me or about the religion or about islam or like the idea and as kids they thought it was like a very

separate thing like you don't believe in god you believe in allah when like the exact it's literally the translation like it just means god that's it it's another word and i think um kids being kids paired with fear and ignorance and like that was a very traumatizing thing that happened to all of us like as a kid we had to sit down and have an assembly like and everybody talked about that so it's like in hindsight it pains me to see all this like islamophobia growing and like snowballing and all the bandwagoning because i know the damage that that can like really cause and where that comes from. It comes from a place of ignorance and fear.

I'm a place of I don't even know. Nobody wants to be that hateful or that, but nobody wants to be that scared either. So it's just like, I don't know. Do you feel the need to speak out? Or do you think the label might be like, hey, you know what? Maybe not right now. What?

My label would never do that. They would never do that. I happen to be on a label of real niggas as well. They don't, they support anything that's real and true. I think...

Because somebody like you standing up and embracing your faith right now could really help the community, help the Muslim community. Yeah, but I also don't. As far as other young Muslims going through that. I agree. I also want to be careful about the way that I represent my community or the Muslim community

because I have so much respect and so much reverence. And I know that I don't live by my deen. So you wouldn't do that just to make a statement? Yeah, I mean, I feel like I can support people in every way. I can, and I don't, I also don't feel like I'm not allowed to wear a hijab.

Like, I feel like, You just have to be authentic. Exactly. So I'm not going to jump out the window and, like, start a mosque tomorrow, but I definitely feel like

if there are any, anyone that needs to, like, talk or hang or feel reinforced, and I have no problem wearing a hijab. I've picked out new ones recently. Like, I'm very comfortable.

I'm just comfortable, and I love everyone, and I want everyone to feel feel not afraid i feel like educating some of these younger kids before they turn into crazy ass bullies that snatching off your hijab in the hallway like can help too in a positive friendly way i don't know did it affect you in a way because you was kind of choosing like i guess fear over faith yeah. That affects your relationship with God. That affects the way you process goodness. Yes, that was a very interesting thing. I think a lot of things, it's weird, like religion when you're young versus religion when you're older.

It's shaped by your parents, the relationship with the church, the people in the church, et cetera. And when I say church, I mean any denomination that has a congregation. So I'm just thinking about, I don't know. It took me a long time to fall out of fear and kind of fall into faith. But it's weird. I got into Christianity afterwards to learn. And not because I was afraid of Islam,

but just because I spent a lot of my childhood running from the issues with my dad. And that represented Islam at the time for me. And plus 9-11, plus everything else. I was just like, I just want to try something else. I just want to be a different person. What issues did you have with your dad? My dad is very stern. My dad is very stern.

And he doesn't mince words and he doesn't renege on things that he says. And sometimes, you know, I don't know. I think my dad was just growing at the same, my parents were growing at the same time that I was growing, and I'm sure they wanted more from me. Initially, they were afraid that I wouldn't have enough or that I wouldn't be enough. And I don't know.

I think my dad was just, I get it. I get it. He was really going hard on some whole other shit, but I'm not afraid of anything. Stern protective dad. Didn't want you in the music industry. Oh, he didn't care about that. It's so backwards.

He didn't want me on roller coasters, didn't want me like adventuring and doing like random things but wanted me to go to school. It's not that, it wasn't the music industry that he didn't want. It was more so he wanted me to go to school. It wasn't the music industry that he didn't want. It was more so he wanted me to do something with my life. And he felt like he wasn't sure if being in music was doing something with my life.

But now he is. Yeah, he's down. He's so in. He calls me and he be like, I like this song. I love it. I'm like, thanks. He going to be mad when he hear the whole album now. Yes, he is.

Oh, no. He's going to be like, I'm not even singing about me. I'm from my perspective in every song. No, no, don't try to switch it up because daddy might be watching. You think they're going to ask you questions?

You think they're going to talk to you about it and ask you questions since you said your mom never really addressed certain things about relationships? You think now is going to be like, Baby girl,

What you mean real niggas don't deserve pussy? What were you going through? Baby girl, what were you going through? No, no. I talk to my mom. It's funny.

My mom is now, like when I do, I do talk to her about like men and the way I feel to my it's funny my mom is now like when I do I do talk to her about like men and the way I feel now and she's very like

she wants me to just be patient and like be loving and understanding but also like not take no shit I don't know

it's weird I'm not very an advice person like from my home girls like I don't talk about men with my friends but we hang hang out and

have fun but i'm not really like that like i kind of just keep those kind of thoughts to myself well explain now i'm tired before you get out of here because i can tell you got to pee no i just you know what's crazy i'm very like fidgety and my legs are the most like fidgety part of me so i always like adjust them and i want to sit with my legs folded but i can't in this chair are you in the yoga yeah yeah i like to stretch a lot. I stretch a lot every day. That's weird. So control. Yeah. What's that mean? Well, it's a life concept. It's more

so when I first think about control like the computer key, I think about sneaking up into my parents attic to wait for the dial up to like work even though I'm banned from the phone and banned from the computer. You might be 30, SZA. You make a lot of old references.

Dial-up and AOL? Dial-up, AOL. You never had AOL and AIM? You might be over 30. You're crazy. I'm 26. 26? If I was...

Literally, there's Twitter and AIM and Instagram. All that came in the same of my lifetime. So I was here before Twitter. I was here before real internet like before it was like a whole worldwide web and she was just young at the time oh yeah but I mean I was just on Juno and like

googling random things like that's what any of us were doing on the internet back then it's not shit else to look at like let me just google what else this look like what's that that's a porn site that he used to love he used to ride around in that little van and just walk up

to random girls and try to get them to have sex oh my god that's like rape huh that's terrible no no no

huh no that's not rape so that's what you want to watch roll up in a creepy van and ask women for sex okay

but did you control I'm sorry did you control? I'm sorry. Did you explain control? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Control. Control is a concept.

It's just, I've just lacked control in my whole life and I think I've craved it my whole life and I couldn't really arrive at it. And now I'm not really

looking to arrive at it anymore. I'm just happy to be present and then trying to, it's weird, if you try to control a future moment,

it's impossible. And there's no such thing as control anyway. It's just a concept. It's a word. It's a fantasy. That's real. But if you focus on controlling

the way you feel in the now and what you do with the now, I feel like it leads to having true control in the future. I don't know, it's a theory. I'm leads to having true control in the future. I don't know. It's a theory. I'm going to figure out if that means anything. We like watching you figure it out. The album is really dope.

I'm not just saying that. It's a really good album. Thank you. Really great album. You should be proud of yourself, SZA. There we go. Thank you, SZA. It's SZA. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.

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