The Breakfast Club - Tim Ross joins Loren LoRosa & A Former Miss Delaware, Noa Mills in convo about church hurt! 

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Loren speaks with Tim Ross and former Miss Delaware USA 2023 Noa Mills about Church Hurt, the belief of “praying mental health illnesses away”, dealing with public exposure, and more in a fantastic conversation at Seeds of Greatness bible church in Wilmington Delaware, this past weekend.YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way. Are you ready for another question? Go ahead. Hit me, Bernie.

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, here we go again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends, like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg, to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary

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We're bringing you the horror. We're kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified. Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die further. And it's the return of Tony's horror show. Quest written and narrated by yours truly.

We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary. And we'll cap it off with a horror movie Battle Royale. Open your free I-Hard radio app and search trap nurse podcast and listen now. Chicago. A white woman's murder. A black man behind bars. For a crime he didn't commit. 90 years for killing somebody I have never seen.

The Crying Wolf podcast is the story of a corrupt detective, two men bound by injustice. and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. Listen to the Crying Wolf Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody. You know if you don't lie about that, right? Lauren came in hot. Hey, y'all, what's up? It's Lauren Rosa, and this is the latest with Lauren the Rosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture.

entertainment news and all of the conversations that are shaking the room now today you guys will be joining me in conversation that not only shakes the room but it is shaking the churches the houses and all of the places because church church is a real thing the belief that we can just pray something away whether it's mental health or you know trauma and things that we experience those are real things and people are beginning to talk about it so i had the pleasure of sitting down with Tim Rawls, who is a best-selling author and host of the popular podcast, The Basement, and Wide Open. From Inglewood, California, a lot of you guys have probably seen his clips, heard his voice before because he gets to people going. So, so Tim Ross, along with Noah Mills, former Miss Delaware, USA, 23, who is a huge mental health advocate and helps to bring, you know, mental health practices and different purpose into corporate structures.

Those two together sat down. We had a conversation. Shout out to Seas of Greatness, which is my church home. And it was a very honest conversation, too, about what that really looks like. When you put mental health practices and you just start saying the words, I need help inside of church, especially in churches where, you know, people just don't think therapy or even needing help is a thing because God and prayer cures it all. Let's get on into the conversation. Let me know what you guys think about. this, I'm Laurel and Rosa everywhere. I want to hear from you. Let's get on into it.

Good morning, good morning. Hi, everybody. How you doing? Well, I've never been up here. This is part of church on the stage. So this is a little different. But I'm excited for this conversation today. So I'm going to hop right on into it. Y'all feeling well. Morning's been great. I want to talk a little bit about a church church. Um, when I got the, like, just the theme and kind of the background of this panel, that was the first thing I thought of. Um, there's a lot of conversation happening right now because people are able to talk about it more about when people are disappointed by the church or people in the church and how that turns them away from the church. And that makes me think about mental health because people probably don't process it this way, but you're dealing with something mentally that, you know, turns you away. So Tim, I want to ask you as a, you know, a leader in the church and, you know, You know, you have your platform and your podcast. When you hear about church, her, and you're speaking to people who are going through that, how do you make them understand that it is a person in a place

and not something that you should carry every single church you go to? So when somebody first tells me about their church hurt, and if their reaction is to the extreme, like, I never want to go to church again. Or, see, this is why I don't go to church. my retort is always Have you ever got food poisoning? Yeah.

Did you stop eating at restaurants? Did you just become a meal prepper and just stay home and just, I only eat my own broccoli now because Mr. Chowell's made me throw up, right? So I'm not dismissing the hurt, but we have conflated what has happened to spiritual leaders with God

and what it lets me know is that you made an idol out of your leader. If your faith in God has been compromised by the person that you were following, then you weren't following them as they followed Christ. You were following them. And you deified them. And to deify, when we talk about dehumanization, we always talk about the degradation of an individual. But to degrade or dehumanization,

five is to dehumanize to make somebody sub or to make somebody more than is to dehumanize either way and so we have to calibrate the fact that these are human beings right that we hope have their own connection with God in their private life and if we've been hurt by that person we are dealing with a mental health a mental health aspect which is grief and we have to go through all stages of that grief, not just the disappointment and maybe the depression that comes with that, but also the sadness and the anger,

processing, like, I can't believe you did that to me. And a lot of people in church feel like they cannot express anger towards the person that has fallen because we're quick to rush people to forgiveness, not knowing that in the process to forgive is to experience all the other emotions that come with. So I have spiritual leaders that have disappointed me, and it's been so crushing to hear some of the stuff that they've gotten into or that has been exposed, and I want to punch them in the net. That's how I feel. I'm not going to do it, but the throat chop is enticing.

Because I'm like, how would you give us this Bible every weekend, but it was. was it being received by you? Or when did you stop eating your own food that you was cooking for everybody else? So it's a process and people need safe spaces to be able to process their emotions. So that would be my answer. Thank you.

On the other side of that, right? Because you know, you've been a pastor before, you know, you're leading so many different things. Speaking to the leaders in the church, How do you handle being a person that disappoints someone in the church? What's your mental on that side of it? How do you get through that?

And how do you heal that for that person? And often for yourself that you're able to continue to lead. Yeah, so anytime I have disappointed my congregation, which I can give you, for instance, in 2019, that was like the worst year of me being a pastor. Okay, it was my fourth year pastor in, eight people that I loved that year, died. Five were very close. Three, I had to eulogize. The youngest was a 15 year old girl of my

friends. Their daughter died of a brain tumor. And the church had doubled. I was sad. I'm not normally a very sad person, but that year took its toll. And I'm not an exploder. I'm an imploder. So I'm not going to like, I'm not going to crash out. I'm going to crash out. I'm going to crash And the way my crash in looked, don't judge me. I wanted, I wanted, like, words in our foyer, like, for the church and, like, just the culture code of everything that we did in the church. Like, and I had asked our team to do it for two years ahead. So my implosion looked like on a Saturday night going to Home Depot, grabbing six cans of spray paint, and spray painting all the words

that I ever wanted on the church walls. By yourself? By myself. By myself. Unbeknownst to anybody else, and I had a guest speaker the next day. And I didn't go to church that day. I went to somebody else's church.

And I felt great about what I did. I felt great. I felt great. A third of the church thought it was like the dopest thing. Like, oh my goodness, look at all this. Two-thirds of the church. was like included my staff was like somebody vandalized our building and I was like with our culture code like this is a dope vandal right and it's me and so

Julianette was pissed and the elders were angry and I was like I don't see the big deal and then I had my devotion on Monday and I just happened to be reading Exodus about the way that he wanted the tabernacle to be built and it said according to my pattern and the holy spirit said Tim what you did to my house so as soon as he like differentiated whose house it was I was like I'm sorry he was like what you did to my house is not according to my pattern the next weekend was communion Sunday so I had to get up in front of all three services and apologize and repent for what I had done. Now, and I had to just repent and shut up.

And I started talking about, you know what happened, Saints? I just felt depressed. And I haven't asked him for these words for two years and my staff. No, no, leaders have to take ownership for what they've done. In the same way that we make alter calls for everybody else to come forward, there has to be room at the altar for ourselves as well. And if the congregation can come to the altar, leaders need to be able to step off the platform

and come to the altar as well. The moment we make it for them and not us is the moment we wind up being duplicitous, and that's what leads us to living double lives. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age. Denver, 34,000 people come out.

Salt Lake City, 20,000 people are huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo. His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement, but is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so. Is that like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you? Okay, okay.

Wait, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party. To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issue. Open your free I-Heart radio app. Search next question with Katie Couric

and listen now. The Crying Wolf Podcast is the story of two men, bound by injustice, of a city haunted by its secrets, and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. White victim, female, pretty, wealthy, black defendant. Chicago, a white woman's murder, a black man behind bars, for a crime he didn't commit. I got 90 years for killing somebody. I have never seen. He says the police are his friends, and then that's it.

They turn on it. A corrupt detective. How he was interrogated the techniques. That's crazy. A snitch and a life stolen. They got the wrong guy. But on the inside, Lee Harris finds an ally in his celly, Robert, who swears to tell the truth about what happened to Lee and free his friend. And if you're with me, your goal to, I'll take care of you.

I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions.

Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes or early. We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lily Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What's up everybody? This is Snacks from the TrapMurts podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long. Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear-inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill. Me and Tony Bringing Back Fire Team on Left for Dead too. And we're just going to be going over some of the greats. Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movie and figure out why black people always got to die first. The Umbro Reliquary invites any and all. All fooling, brave enough to peruse its many curiosities.

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podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I gave my life to Jesus, January 14th of 1996. I preached my first sermon, February 25th of 1996. I did not want to do that. And then I kept being invited to speak. And it's been that way for 29 and a half years. So as private as I am and like to be, my life is very public. so how does one calibrate not only when okay you're on the major platforms but also you don't even want to be

there you would rather not be known right like and so um like i my dream was to be like this the christian version of clarence avon i just wanted to be the shadow hand behind like all the preachers and the lord's like no i need you to be on the platforms and i'm like ah So the way that I handle and mitigate all the things is that number one, I don't have any social media. I always had a love, hate relationship on it, I was on it, I was off it, I hate it, so I'm off of it. And so I don't know what's going on until I meet somebody or talk to somebody, which is like very 90s. Like I have no idea what's going on until somebody tells them. I'm like, what?

I see my friend's kids, and I never see them on social media, so I don't get to see them, like, grow up on social media. I see my, I'm like, oh, my God, look how you grow! It's very 90s, I love it. I have my time with the Lord every single morning, and I really have my time with the Lord every single morning, and I really have. have not forgotten January 14th of 96. Like I'm legitimately not over the day that I gave my life to Jesus. So all of this is cool.

But if this was the last platform I was ever on, I'm Gucci. I don't ever need to be nowhere. Everything besides January 14, 1996, has been a nice little bonus. It has not been a requirement. He's really been good to me, and I'm very grateful with his faithfulness in my life.

And so that's my answer. Thank you to that. A final question, and both of you guys can answer this, the same you said, you know, God doesn't give you like an intro meeting before he's like, hey, this is what I want you to do. Can you talk a bit about when you guys, you know, I don't even know if you feel your purpose

or you're just in the moment and you're just like, oh, I think that this is the thing. thing. When that hits, you feel good and there's kind of almost like a, I feel complete feeling, but sometimes there are often feelings of like, am I doing enough? Am I doing it right? Am I impacting people? You know what I mean? And there's a mental weight that that comes with. Can you talk about that as well? Because I think in church, you hear a lot about faith and purpose and, you know, alignment, but people don't talk about the heaviness of alignment and purpose and, you know, walking a path. Yeah, so this season, the last three years of my life have been like all together, like beautiful and really frustrating, right?

So like three and a half years ago, I was known in some like Christian circles and I had like 32,000 followers on Instagram and I was like, that's a a small city. That's amazing. I'm hyped, right? And then three and a half years later, it's like, are you a dude with the yellow glasses? And I'm stopped in airports in different countries. And I'm like, you watch you too? Like, you got over here? And so that's still weird to me. And because I live in the Bible Belt and everything, all of my the ministry that grew was in the Bible

belt, I felt this heaviness that I just got to break through on last week in New York City. Like this is brand new, okay? So y'all, last week when I was in New York City, right? I was preaching at this church in my own business, right? And so what happened was

after I was preaching, I was talking to two people that lived in New York. And they were like, we might want to do a show with you. And I was like, that sounds scary. So they were like, you have no idea how effective you are and how many people that are unbelievers

listen to you. And one of the dudes started crying. And he was like, like, we need you here. And I was like, yo, I think I'm, what, wait a minute. It was like, they were telling me how effective I have been. And I was like,

I haven't felt like that. Because I've been fighting with people and trying to convince people that don't understand my assignment and don't want to know my assignment, that this is my assignment. And then I was like, wait a minute,

I've been trying to convince the wrong people in the wrong region. Like, I was like, oh, of course. You're saying the Bible Belt, you mad that I cuss. Because you're in the Bible Belt. But New York don't care. California don't care. Chicago don't care.

Port Stars don't care. Entertainers don't care. NBA players don't care. All these different people don't care. So that good old Caldean tongue doesn't belong to Texas. and I have been fighting this fight for the last three years with people that are already saved I'm like why do you even care

you're already going to heaven I'm trying to get your grandchild who don't listen to your sermons but they listen to my clips so I got free last week it feels good it feels good But I have to acknowledge that for 27 years, I was serving in the church. So I really wanted church people to get my assignment. And then I was, and now, now, I should have known, because PJ's my mentor. That's why I'm here. PJ, I've been at Cs.

I am proud to say, I've been at Cs for 24, 25 of these years, though. You know what I'm saying? And PJ didn't bring me in. when I was a preacher. He brought me in when I was doing stand-up comedy. He's seen every single version of me and has still supported me and prayed for me and encouraged me and so into me. So don't nobody say nothing bad about Jerome Lewis Sr., if I would dot that off. I love me introverts like you that just stand up that things going. You know, me, start it up in here.

I like to get it cracking and it leads. Oh. You know what? I'm not bad at that. I like to stop. I like to stop. I don't know if you had anything you wanted to add. No.

No, you're, you, you didn't. Yes. He ate that up, lady. Mm-hmm. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age. Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people are huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement, but is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so. Is that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you? Okay, okay. Wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party. To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the relationship.

Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search next question with Katie Couric and listen now. The Crying Wolf Podcast is the... The story of two men, bound by injustice, of a city haunted by its secrets, and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. White victim, female, pretty, wealthy, black defendant. Chicago, a white woman's murder, a black man behind bars, for a crime he didn't commit. I got 90 years for killing somebody I have never seen. He says the police are his friends, and then that's it. They turn on it.

A corrupt detective. How he was interrogated the techniques. That's crazy. A snitch and a life stolen. They got the wrong guy. But on the inside, Lee Harris finds an ally in his sally, Robert, who swears to tell the truth about what happened to Lee and free his friend. And if you're with me, your goal to, I'll take care of you.

I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself?

You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who, who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style?

And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everybody? This is Snacks from the Trapner's podcast, and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear-inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill. Me and Tony Bringing Back Fire Team on Left for Dead, too, and we're just going to be going over some of the greats. Also, in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movie and figure out why black people always got to die further. The Umbro Reliquary invites any and all fooling, brave enough, to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed, all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly.

with a full episode read and a commentary special. And we will cap it off with horror movie battle royale. Jason versus Freddie. Michael Myers versus the 80th thing with the little tongue muster. October, we're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Travener's podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is a really straightforward question for both the guys. How can churches a better partner with programs, um, advocacy?

advocacy organizations, mental health organizations, because this is new for a lot of people. Not all churches are progressive. So how can they get a partner? And how do they start? Like, is it one small step? Is it you jump right in and there's a mental health hotline? Like, what should they do and how should they do it?

I think the beauty of it is that there's no one way to do it. Sincerely, one of the things I really do love about this particular time in our lives is just that there's so, The conversation is not to happen anymore. Like, we could just do away with that. There sincerely has just been less and less and less of a stigma associated with the honesty that people do deal with things in their mind, medically, mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally.

And sincerely, you can put your heads together in a meeting to set up a production. We can put our heads together in a meeting to set up a hotline for people that are struggling. We can put our heads together for everything else about who should tie. like who should go where and who should wear what and where the present can stand. We can talk to one another about how we want to facilitate conversations in the church. We're supposed to be the epicenter for the solutions that we desire. And I'm not supposed to be looking for them. If you have questions about something, answer it, first pray to God, answer it, and then become that solution.

There's a lot of the things I think what is my personal frustration in the church. It's just that there is a wait for an outside answer. You don't have to, oh, well, so every complaint you have is an auction for you to find the answer. If you don't like something, that means God gave it to you to go fix it, to go find out, to be a solution to that issue. Every single thing that we have problem with, we also have the understanding to provide solution to. So I think in churches as far as starting, find a faith-based PCP that you can bring it into your church to talk to your people. Find a faith-based therapist that you can bring it into your church to talk to people. You have a list on your site for everybody's name and face.

Put some therapists that you have in your church on the website. Put some hotlines on the website. Figure out how to connect with your community leaders. Your community leaders should know what church you're at, how they need to connect. with you, what they need to be doing. Because here's the thing. They only know what you tell them. I can't help you with funding this year,

when we're talking about where it needs to go, for your members and for who they need to be connected with. I don't know that there's a problem. So we can sit, we can communicate, we can, you know, figure out what it is that we need to do, but also make it our responsibility to do it. I just want to co. Please, tap up.

I want to co-signed when I was a lead pastor, I did a series on mental health, and we had at the end of every single service, we had information to two counseling centers that we knew the owners personally. So, and I have been a client of one of them. So I was doing, out of the 29 and a half years that I've been a believer in Jesus, I've been in therapy for 27. It's the reason why I haven't shot nobody I'm telling you it's the reason why I haven't gone off on nobody you know what I'm saying? It's the reason why I haven't turned full Cat Williams on the church

I'm being real serious if I ever went Cat Williams on the church I'd scorch it they wouldn't have service tomorrow if I went off I'm Lauren the Rosa. This is the latest with Lauren the Rosa. At the end of the day, I tell you guys every episode,

my lowriders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody having a conversation about this, but y'all choose to be right here with me. I appreciate y'all for that. I will catch you in my next episode. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way.

All right. Are you ready for another question? Go ahead. Hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, here we go again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends, like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now.

But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everybody? It's snacks from the trap nerds. all October long. We're bringing you the horror. Bookety, boogity, boogity. We're kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified. Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die further. And it's the return of Tony's horror

show, sidewise written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary. And we'll cap it off with the horror movie Battle Royale. Open your free iHeart radio app and search trap nurse podcast and listen now. Chicago, a white woman's murder, a black man behind bars, for a crime he didn't commit. 90 years of killing somebody I have never seen. The Crying Wolf podcast is the story of a corrupt detective, two men bound by injustice, and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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