The Breakfast Club - TMI: Culture, Clemency & Controversy: We’ve Got a Lot to Discuss
Episode Date: September 13, 2026The Black Effect Presents... TMI! Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss the upcoming election season and GOTV organizing costs, then discuss meeting Florida U.S. Senate candidate Angie Nixon and why t...urnout, independents, and general-election participation could change the race. They talk about Roc Nation affiliate Emory Jones receiving a presidential pardon and push back on criticism of celebrating someone who served time and rebuilt his life, while still critiquing Trump’s broader impact. Tamika’s “thought of the day” on the murder of 27-year-old Lavoy Williams and the domestic violence crisis, highlighting WARM NYC, before they debate backlash over Fat Joe using the N-word and how offense, culture, geography, and consequences shape the conversation. OP Date: September 9, 2026YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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You know, then how was your Labor Day weekend?
It was good.
You know, I got, I had a restful weekend.
I did a couple of, you know, fun things, exciting things.
But for the most part, I rested.
Shout out to Don Poo, our brother, who we love so much and really celebrate him for all his accomplishments for a black man to have multiple restaurants between Times Square, Lower Manhattan, Dubai, and.
one-year anniversary in Miami, you know, it's really just good to see him maintain that
and maintain a good, positive, just always the same energy with everybody, everywhere he goes.
He's so loved.
So I was down in Miami celebrating his one-year anniversary.
And shout out to his wife, Nikki, who has been a laborer as well to help him build his empire.
And I got a chance to be with Andy.
at a dope celebration
where a whole bunch of fancy people
showed up to, you know, to celebrate
poo. And so that was
one thing. And then also I went to
the Orange Bowl, which is a
game between FAMU
and another
college, but it was South Carolina
at this particular time. And South
Carolina beat them. We were
there rooting for FAMU.
And, you know, I got to hang out
with the people who do the lawyer in. Attorney
Biddon Crump and Attorney
Swin.
Robinson and a bunch of other folks.
Shout out to our guy, the former councilman, Reggie Leon.
So he is no longer in elected office, but he will be running for mayor.
At least we're trying to encourage him and make sure that he runs for mayor.
He's going to be Mayor Leon in Miami Gardens.
So, you know, had a good time being with all the folks.
But in between, I just kept resting.
I threatened many times to go out.
I'm going to show up at XYZ event, but I didn't go.
So it was good.
And lots of storms, you know, the weather, as we see every year around this time of year,
the storms are always very, very massive.
That's just, you know, the nature of the Caribbean and the islands and whatnot,
and obviously Florida is so attached to those places.
But there's been some lightning that is a little disturbing to me.
and maybe other people are not experiencing it,
but I heard some lightning in New York last week.
That was like very, very, very strong.
It was, it was like real scary.
I haven't heard lightning like that in a long time.
And the same was happening in Florida,
this lightning that's like the world is just crashing.
So that's it.
I just rested.
Well, it sounds pretty eventful.
Shout out to Don Poole for congratulations on this one year.
you know, I wish I could have been there.
But I was a soccer dad this weekend.
My son just started his soccer season.
Actually, this weekend Saturday was the first game.
So they had a tournament.
And when they went to the championship, we had a two-day tournament.
And they won one game the first.
They lost the second and did the same thing.
And they lost in the championship on Sunday.
But they went to overtime.
You're watching these little kids play soccer in the intensity.
and they went to a sudden death match
where you have to kick penalty goals.
So they pick five or six players from their team
and they all line up with the goalie
and they have to try to kick the goal past the goalie.
And whoever gets the most wins.
So, you know, they did the penalty goals
and my son's best friend,
who was like one of the best players on the team along with him,
you know, he missed his penalty goal.
He was so pissed off
because he usually does.
and miss stuff like that.
And he was crying and, you know,
I'm cheering him up,
but you could tell he took it really hard,
but they played so hard.
You know, so I love the intensity of the games
and it's teaching them character
and his father was like,
what are you crying for?
But you can tell he really took it hard
because I remember a few years ago,
a similar situation like that happened with Keston.
And, you know, he took it really hard too,
but it was a real good game.
It was two of the best games.
The day before they had played the same team,
And the team beat them by four goals.
So now they met him in the championship, it was one-one.
Like they played really, really hard all the way to the end.
And, you know, they lost.
But it was a good thing.
So that's what I did.
I also did a couple barbecues.
Shout out to the West Side Barbecues.
Wheel tracks was DJ, him and DJ E. Kim.
So that was a cool little situation.
They had all types of barbecues all over New York City.
then shout out to Blackbird,
you know, one of my clients that I work with.
They had a barbecue.
Shout out to Tanedrian Fleming.
They had a barbecue in Rockland.
We went over there, ate food,
listen to music,
and that was pretty much the end of it.
Yesterday, shout out to Lola, Morena,
fabulous, and the whole,
Let's Talk About the podcast was over there.
So I spent it talking to my guys over there
and we talked about hip hop and
You know, we had different debates about different things.
It was good to see them, you know.
It's not a lot of industry dudes that are actually cool with,
but actually it's crazy that all four of them are people that I'm cool with.
And Jim came in there on his crutches, and they was making fun of him
because if you looked online, he was playing tennis and something cracked in his legs.
So him and me know been making little jokes about his legs.
But it was a cool all-around, cool weekend.
you know, got to have fun with the kids
and go out for a little while.
So, you know, and the weather was actually good here.
There was no rain.
It was none of that.
The weather was really good.
It was cool but hot at the same time.
You know, it's that weird time of year
where the sun shines, it'd be hot in the sun.
And then when you go in the shade, you get chilly, you know,
so the weather held up.
But it was a good time.
Labor Day weekend was good.
I heard everybody was going to, you know,
It's also been Caribbean weekend.
Or they celebrated all of the Caribbean.
Juvei, Juvei.
They had all of it.
So you would see a lot of the Caribbean people walking around, dressed up, whatever.
So it was actually a good weekend.
It was a, you could tell the summer is over, you know.
For sure.
This is the last quarter of the year.
And for us, it represents the beginning of the fire alarm.
GOTV, get everybody to the polls movement that everybody that is somebody who knows the importance
of this election has to get involved in right now.
And, you know, that's what it's all going to be about.
The next few weeks, next two months, we will be drained.
You know, a lot of people have expectations of us to show up and to do the job.
And you got to fight over money.
It's, you know, it doesn't just happen.
Like, I don't know why people have this impression that in order to organize, it's free.
You have to actually go to the places that matter, right?
Not everywhere.
Yes, it is important that people vote in the midterms everywhere, anywhere, anywhere that there's an election.
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There's always going to be some type, if you are a real organizer.
But for us, we have to travel, you got to fight and hustle back and forth to get the resources.
So, you know, it's always a tough time a year, but we do what we have to.
We do what we must.
We definitely do.
You know, and speaking of elections, I've seen you with Andrew Nixon.
I seen you took a picture of Angie Nixon.
I did.
I spent a nice amount of time with Angie Nixon.
She's running for Senate, the United States Senate in Florida.
She is credible, capable, and ready.
You know, she's a serious sister.
Always has been, you know, I've always loved Angie Nixon anyway just from a
I never really had an opportunity to, you know, have a strong relationship with her.
But we're definitely leaning in in my personal time.
I'm going to work with some of our sisters to get people on the ground in Florida to support
her.
And, you know, and just watching people respond to her at the Famu game, you can see that Floridians
are like, this is our girl.
And that's what we need.
We need black folks to know that we have the power to elect her.
She can be elected by the greatest turnout that Florida has ever had.
You know, we have to remind people all the time that, what's his name, President Barack Obama won Florida.
He won Florida.
So if he could do it, that means that the people are here.
You've got a line, and I was talking to another state representative, a sister who said that she was explaining to make a breakdown because the one thing we know is that more Republicans voted in the primary, more Republicans voted in the primary than Democrats.
They didn't vote for a Democrat.
You know, everybody stays in their lane, obviously in primaries.
I don't have to explain this to people they already know.
but more Republicans voted than Democrats.
If the same thing happens, she probably would not win.
But what will make this different is that independence enter the chat, right?
And the independence will likely not vote for Donald Trump.
And there are a bunch of people who did not participate in the primaries who will vote in the general election.
So you, you know, we have a good
data and the numbers, yeah.
Yeah, we have a real, real good shot.
Yeah, I love that, man.
Like you said, I think Angie is, as you would say that,
you're honest, said, I'm qualified.
Yeah, that's right.
She's qualified.
Qualified, man.
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So we're talking about elected officials, and we talk about the government, you know.
So last week, it was announced that, Emerald.
Jerry Jones, Jay-Z affiliate, Rock Nation affiliate, was granted a presidential pardon.
You know, Emery's a good friend of mine's man.
I love Emery.
You know, we have good conversations.
He's down the earth.
He's been home a lot of years and been doing a lot of work, putting a lot of black athletes
and entertainers in position.
He's worked at Puma.
He's designed shoes with Nipsey Hustle.
He's worked with ASAT Rocky.
So to see him actually come home and do the work, you know, serve his time and be granted that pardon was a blessing to me.
So I celebrated it, you know, and I don't, and I'm not, everybody knows that I don't give a damn about Trump.
But this is one thing that was done properly.
So I shouted him out.
And the comments on my page were interesting.
It was kind of actually like when people found out that I was.
was on the transition team with the mayor.
You know, people start talking about, oh, why are you going to have a criminal?
Why are we celebrating a criminal?
Why would a criminal be this, put in this type of position?
And people were on there just talking crazy.
Oh, oh, he was a drug dealer.
Why do we care that a drug dealer's part?
Why are you celebrating the drug dealer?
And it was so crazy to me.
And I'm just listening.
I'm right.
There's a lot of people that was happy for him.
But it was a lot of people that wasn't.
And I'm like, why are people angry that someone who changed their life around has come back to society and been a productive member is receiving a pardon?
You know, isn't that the goal?
The goal is for if you make a mistake, you pay your debt to society.
You know, you go to rehabilitation.
That's what the prison is supposed to do, rehabilitates you.
So when you come back to society, that you can be productive.
You know, a lot of people don't understand when you get criminal charges and federal charges,
You know, there's collateral damage that comes even after you serve your time.
So you can't travel to certain places.
You know, you're not allowed in certain places, certain opportunities you don't have based on the fact that you have this felony.
You know, so now he can actually live his full life.
You know, someone who's doing the work that he's doing should be able to travel to all of the countries without being stopped, without being held.
You know, I was held, I went to on tour with the game years ago and became.
Because of my felony, I was, you know, held in customs in Australia for three days, you know, and pretty much in their jail until I was shipped back because I had a felony.
You know, so I was happy for them.
And I just don't understand why people made it seem like because someone did a crime and paid their death to society that they should not be able to thrive.
You know, I just don't understand that.
I don't know why people have this monestate.
But what I saw more than, I mean, I didn't even pay attention to that.
But in your comments, I did see people saying, oh, now you have to celebrate Trump.
And, you know, oh, I thought you didn't like Trump.
And it's funny because, you know, I feel like we are living in a world where no matter how much we do or how much we say, people are just committed to either misunderstanding or missing the information.
I don't know of a time that someone, even people who are not well known, was pardoned by Trump that we didn't say this is a good thing.
Like we're not people who are living in the world without reason and common sense.
Donald Trump has pardoned a number of people.
We know that we actually did a whole segment on our show.
show some maybe probably last season where we talked about President Obama and his intentions
in terms of trying to pardon as he wanted to do one sweeping pardon of all people with nonviolent
drug offenses and it was a couple of different categories. And his people, his legal people,
were working to get it done. But the Republicans blocked it and would not allow him to free,
you don't have many people.
So he had to do it, you know,
one by one by individually at the end of his,
at the end of his term.
Nevertheless, he was lit physically in the process of trying.
Yeah, he wanted to do something historic
to get, you know, to actually use pardons
for what they're supposed to be for.
Pardons are supposed to be for people, as you said,
that have done their time.
They have shown that they are.
productive members of society and they are given a second chance at life.
Sometimes it's for people who the government may say, we don't believe that they got a fair
trial or a fair shot. But most of the time, pardons go to people, regardless of what they may
have done, they are now a productive member of society who is supposed to get a second chance
at, you know, at fulfilling their mission, passion, and the work of society.
So, you know, I, one, I don't care who pardons people.
I think that's the one thing that Donald Trump has done that a lot of black men,
by the way, have cited as a reason why they potentially support him.
Now, if we want to, to, what is the word?
if we want to analyze that, right, and talk about why I don't jump up and down because Donald Trump has pardoned people in a way that makes me say, I can excuse all the other things that's happening.
Now, that we're not going to do. We're still going to have critical analysis of the, like, the full context of who Donald Trump is and what harm he has.
done to our community. In fact, I believe that he has used partings and used this particular
aspect of like criminal justice, you know, the criminal justice system as a way to get some
black people and particularly black men to ignore the fact that some people are going to jail
right now because their mama don't have a job. Their father does not, you know, their father does
not have a job. They're losing housing, losing health care, losing the ability to survive.
So on one hand, they're sending people to jail. And then on the other hand, he's allowing people
with big names and some people who might not have a big name to, you know, me, but y'all know
who they are. You guys know who these people are that have been receiving pardons. And so it's a
tradeoff. And for some people, all you got to do is let big names.
reach out and then you
could be the hottest shit that ever
happened. Meanwhile,
you over here
putting people in economic
situations and circumstances
that could have them
doing whatever things
Emery and whomever else did
when they're at a young age
that puts them in a cycle
of this whole system all over
again.
That's true.
Makes 100% sense.
So yeah, I definitely agree with that.
A lot of people were trying to make it seem like we got to praise Donald Trump.
We don't have to praise Donald Trump.
I can acknowledge that he did something that I agree with.
You know, there's very few things that he does that I agree with.
But, you know, giving partners to a lot of, you know, some individuals that I know who have served their time and deserve to be back free and deserve to be giving back the rights of a whole citizen.
You know, I can say that's a good thing, you know, without acting as if he's a good president.
And that's just the reality of that.
Yeah.
What y'all say that I sometimes can't get right?
A broken clock is right twice a day.
So there's that.
There's that.
So, you know, my thought of the day today is surrounding this story in New York City
where a young girl opened the door for police who were there to do a wellness check.
And when they, when she opened and do it at five years old,
five years old, it was revealed that her mother had been beaten to death by a romantic partner.
I don't know if he was former or currently.
This guy who is alleged to have killed her, I think his name is like Fly, Ty, or that's what they call him.
Supposedly, he's from a housing development in New York City called St. Nicholas Projects.
And there is a search for him.
and a call for him to turn himself in for killing this woman.
Her name is LaVoy Williams.
She was 27 years old.
And, you know, again, she was beaten to death by a man, this man, likely, and her daughter was there to see what happened to her mother and then ultimately there as the only person to be able to respond to police when they arrived.
And, you know, there's so much that comes up in me about stories like this.
So much love to warm Stephanie McGraw.
This is a sister who has an organization that deals with domestic violence in New York City.
And it's so interesting that we were just all on vacation together in Martha's Vineyard with Stephanie.
It was her first time going to the Vineyard, taking some time off.
since Stephanie has been back in New York City,
I know of at least four different incidents that she's been involved in
where women's lives have been taken and or they have had to be, you know,
sort of rescued from a very, very violent situation.
And in fact, the four situations that I know of,
those people, those women did not make it.
But her work every single day, she works with Queen of four who, you know,
is helping and building a community of healed women and families and men, of course, children.
And, you know, so she does that work as just regular maintenance.
But she also serves as kind of like a triage for our community around domestic violence.
And the amount of stories that's popping up on her social media and the way that her team is running,
chasing behind these women who are being murdered.
by men, mostly romantic partners.
I think there was one incident that was like another family member,
but for the most part, it's romantic partners.
It's very scary.
And by the way, she works in the black community,
black and Latino communities.
So it is not to say that it's not happening in other communities,
and there are other organizations that do that work.
But she specifically serves us.
So if you actually want to support warm and you're listening,
please look them up.
They are W-A-R-M-N-Y-C on Instagram.
We All Really Matter is the full name of our organization, Stephanie McGraw.
And she definitely needs support from all of us.
But it is very scary the level of emotional intelligence and maturity that so many men do not have,
Do not have the ability to walk away from situations.
Do not have the ability to either do right or move on.
Like, why, why, why, why?
Do we have to bury women who, for the most part, I already know because I've heard the stories and you see it all the time.
There are so many men who say, I don't even want you.
I don't want to be with you.
And then when a woman decides that she wants to move on, they say that that is the most dangerous.
This is what the stat say now.
This is the data that proves that the most dangerous time for a woman is when she is ready to move on.
So a man has been doing all the things not paying attention to her or, you know, or fighting or cheating or lying or doing whatever things he may be doing.
And it is not until she gets ready to walk away that he wants to fight to the point where her life is taken.
And so, you know, LaVoy Williams, God bless, 27 years old, this young woman's daughter and her community, her father, her family,
they are going to suffer something and experience, you know, a brutal, brutal reality that this woman's life was taken.
the way that it was. And guess what? They probably saw signs. They probably knew that he wasn't good
for her. And it seems that in the end, she was killed, you know, by a coward. But she is not alone.
And I think that's the whole point of my thought of the day is that it's not just happening to,
it's not just isolated incidents of, you know, and very far in view between incidents of,
of women who are being killed by these emotionally unstable, very freaking, just cowardly meant, right?
It's not just few and far.
It is happening very frequently.
And I know because working with alongside my sister, Stephanie, out there, you know, she does
violence prevention work as well, but just from the domestic violence lens, it's so,
obvious that there is a crisis in our society around women who are not protected.
One, and two, women who are not making good decisions when it comes to the men that we are choosing
to keep in our lives. And third, what is the strategy for how a woman can get out of a relationship
safely without having her life taken because she has decided that enough is enough?
No, it's really sad.
I was having a discussion months ago with a guy who he just was saying a bunch of dumb stuff.
But I was saying how domestic violence is the number one form of violence in our communities.
You know, and I've always been adamant about men lacking.
There are certain men who lack a level of emotional intelligence to where, you know, like you said, when women want to leave or they disagree or whatever, there's this physical element.
you know, they resort to this physical
and trying to overwhelm
and try to beat them. And it's like, it's terrible.
You know, unfortunately,
I know the guy, her father,
the young lady you talk about her father,
he's someone I know from the community, man.
He's a good guy too, man.
And seeing him on the news,
it almost brought a tear to my eyes.
You know, knowing that this little girl
said that she laid by a mother,
you know, because she thought she was sleep.
When she put her in the bed,
and she thought her mother was sleeping
so she laid there all the time
until somebody came and she opened the door.
And, you know, it's just, it's really a sad situation, man.
I hate, I hate the fact that there are males
because I don't even call them men, males,
that would do that kind of harm to,
or do any type of physical harm to a woman based off, you know,
disagreements or them not wanting to be with you, man.
And that's one of the things that we want to do
at Raising Kings is really focused on emotional.
It's really focused on how to be able to take rejection, how to be able to take, you know, a situation that you might not like without being able to having or feeling that you need to physically harm somebody.
Because a lot of our young boys are not being taught that.
They're being taught, you know, aggression, you know, to meet everything with aggression.
You know, I hate the term toxic masculinity, but it's actually toxic, you know.
and they're being taught that that is some level of esteem
when you physically overpower anybody,
especially a woman who you should be able to physically overpower.
You know, so, you know, my condolences to her family,
you know, like I said, I know the father, man,
you know, I know it's going to be a rough road ahead.
It's crazy because one of my friends literally just DM'd me two days ago
saying that one of her friends was being beat by her.
boyfriend. He beat her bad and she passed away four days later.
Yeah, beat her, beat her and four days later she passed away. And he wasn't even charged.
They're still trying. The mother said that they have videos. They got audio,
her talking about how he beat her and this and that. And they're still trying to get him
charged. And the police is trying to tell them that they can't do nothing for them or they don't
know what to do. So I probably need to connect her with Stephanie to see how Stephanie can help her in
this process because she literally just
de-ended me again a few minutes ago
with it and that I think it's someone in Harlem as well.
It's crazy.
Terrible. And that would be
a fifth case
in the last few weeks
just from the time that we left
Martha's Vineyard on
August 24th
until now.
I'm telling you that I have seen her
engaged in at least four different
cases of women being
murdered. Not
slacked.
Unalived.
And it's, you know,
it's a real scary crisis in our community.
It really is.
Really is.
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So let me jump straight to my I don't get it. You know, there's been this big debate.
And it's not just, it hasn't just happened. But Fat Joe recently was on the Joe Button podcast.
You know, he was being asked some questions about backlash that he received.
You know, and him being a Latino from the Bronx, growing up in Forrest projects and one of the, you know, the most hip-hop, cultural, you know, black-centered places inside the Bronx.
You know, he grew up in hip-hop culture.
And he uses the word nigger with an A, you know, and a lot of people don't like it.
You know, and he responded to the backlash by saying, I'm one of the blackest niggas, you know.
I've grown up in hip-hop.
I've been saying this.
And as far as I, as long as I've known, Joe, he's been utilizing the word, nigger.
I've grown up in the Bronx, you know, and all of Puerto Rican, that's how we communicate with each other.
My best friends have been Puerto Rican.
We communicate, nigger.
That's just how we communicate.
And I realize that there is a lot of backlash from other people, from different states.
And what I don't get about it, right, is you.
can't tell someone else to
what to be offended by
right? Because I can understand
and I tell people all the time.
You might have a friend that you
and him communicate or you and her communicate
a certain way. You know,
you women use the word
bitch with each other. That's my bitch, this and that and that.
And somebody else from the outside
might look at the communication that you have with your
friend and be like, yeah, why? She couldn't
call me a bitch. But she's
not calling you a bitch. And if
she, and if you was having that conversation, you
have the right to view our communication as a way that you might not be okay with, something that
you might not, you know, deem as something that you would do. But you don't get to impose
that on somebody else. So what I said was, this is where you get to pick and choose if you're
offended. If somebody says the word, nigger, that I feel has malice, who is not connected to this
culture who I feel that they, you know, they're using it in a derogatory form to me,
then I'm going to be offended.
I'm going to speak out against it.
And I say that to anybody.
And if you feel offended that Fat Joe uses the word niggins, then you should say it.
You know, and I'm not saying that you have to accept it.
I'm just saying in our culture inside of New York, blacks and Latinos have used that word.
And we've grown up using the word since I was in 4-5th and 6th.
sixth grade when we first used to start cursing and we said yo that's my nigger when we's doing
raps all of our raps had nigger in it this is how we grew up in the culture and i don't expect
everybody else to say it then i heard mark lamont hill say you know that he don't think anybody that's
not black should use the word and there's a lot of people that feel that way and i'm not saying
you're wrong for how you feel it's actually there are people who don't think black people
that don't think anybody should use it right yeah i've had that conversation
Because many different degrees of debate.
Exactly.
What I don't get is why people think what offends them has to offend me.
And that's just simple.
I don't have to be offended by what you're offended by.
And you don't have to be offended by what I'm offended by.
You know, and that's just the reality of the situation.
There are different cultural things in different states, in different countries, in different areas.
and each one of them are entitled to their own opinions and their own feelings.
For me, the word nigger in our society with black and Latinos is something that we all grew up in.
We don't take it as, you know, disrespect.
And there are terms when they are, right?
You can actually tell if you arguing with a certain Puerto Rican and they say it in the word,
you fucking nigger, then that's offense.
But if we're having a conversation and say, yo, that's my nigger, this and that,
we don't take that as offense
and we could do that
and I know there are white people
we got a white boy in my hood
that he'd be saying the word nigger
he was the only white boy that grew up in the hood
that's how he grew up saying
we never took offense
because he grew up in our culture
some other person might see
and I tell him if you walk outside this hood
and they catch your ass and nigga
somebody might body slam you
you know what I'm saying
and that's just the reality
and those are the things that come with it
so I say this
use the word nigger at your own
cause and be able to deal with the consequences
because everybody's not going to take it the same.
I would say that every single human being
is a walking contradiction.
Every single human being has areas
where they are,
they contradict other things that they may stand on.
That's just the reality, right?
Like, you could be a person who does all the right things,
you've got the right family,
and, you know, you always,
all buttoned up in this place, but then you might be working for a company or building some
type of system that's killing people. Let me give you a case and point. I have a family member
who said to me, do you want to do an investment with Tesla? Right? They want to, oh, cybertruck.
They want to, they want to do investment for cyber truck because now there's some type of movement
around cyber trucks that people can make money off of.
And I ain't trying to learn it.
Don't even want to understand it because I would never, ever invest my money in anything
that has to do with Elon Musk.
So I said that.
I made that statement to my family member.
And the response I got back was, well, listen, you know, all these people are racist and
all these brands, designers or whatever.
And they said, but I'm not going to allow my, you know, all of my political,
issues and those types of things to stop me from building my empire, right? Now, this is a person who is an
incredible family man, who is an incredible leader in the community. They get it right on so
many things, so many things. Wonderful individual. That, though, is something that I would never
agree with, never supporting Elon Musk. So you could get it right.
all these other, these places.
But then when it comes to,
and this is a very community-minded individual,
and also somebody who, you know,
talks about the dangers of some levels of capitalism,
like God, he has all of that.
But when it comes to building his empire,
he sees the playing field as fair game, right?
And we were kind of going back and forth.
And then eventually I kind of just stopped the conversation
and saying,
It's okay.
Like, I am not going to do it.
But I'm not about to sit here and make you the worst person in the world and demonize you because this is the one thing that you and I don't agree on, right?
I'm not going to do that.
And that to me is the best example that I can hold around this issue.
Now, I don't think that Joe should say, I'm the blackest nigger you know because that, in a sense,
of itself is like gaslighting people into you not even being able to understand their
perspective, right?
And the reason why I think, and I know Joe, I mean, we love Joe, right?
I think that you have to have the nuance.
It's the same thing like Jay saying the stuff about Target.
It's when you feel like people are coming for you, sometimes you respond in ways that you,
when you really go back and think.
about it. It's like, well, that's not really what I was
trying to say, but at the end
of the day, the offense
has been taken. The offense has
been taken. Rashad and the whole
situation. Like Rashad, who I love,
and we love Rashad. And we
know what, we see
Rashad on the streets all the time
and be like, who is
hard? People are after
us. You know, we constantly
be an attack. It's not
easy to do the work that we try
to do. So I already knew when
Rashad was speaking where his frustration was coming from.
I could see it in his face that is coming from his stomach.
And we talked to him off, you know, like in the backstage at events and things like that.
So we know what it is that he's dealing with and the feeling and, you know, the expression.
We know.
And I know that a lot of times, because I've done it, my response to things can actually make it worse, right?
then the initial debate over whether or not people who are Afro-Latino, people who are, you know, Latino, like you said, in New York, our culture is very different. I'm the same. I grew up in a housing project in Harlem. My floor didn't have anybody on it except Latino families and black families. There was nobody else on my whole 12th floor, which had several apartments and the whole building. I don't think that there was one person.
in my entire building, which was 20 floors high,
and at least one, two, four, three, that's seven, and four.
So 11 apartments on each floor, 20 floors high, okay?
I don't think there was one person in my building who was not black.
And by the way, let us remember that African
right, people from Africa, moving to New York,
that was not really a thing when I was growing up.
This is a new phenomenon where you see an entire African community
that is, you know, coming into, you know, blending in with all of us.
But it was basically black people, Haitian people,
of maybe Jamaican and Latinos.
and everybody in the building, especially the young people and adults, use the word.
For the most part, I can't say everybody.
But for the most part, they use the word.
I will say, though, that the parents, the parents, the Latino parents, I never heard,
I never went to my babysitter's house or my neighbor's house and heard the older
generation using
the word, nigger, in their
lexicon. And when they used it,
it was a derogatory. It was derogatory.
It was derogatory. It was derogatory. The kids,
Joe's age, you know, and down,
it became the term of endearment, the time to,
you know, throw around. Even when they was
fighting and they said, nigga, it wasn't like
die, nigger. It was more just
like, you know, just back and forth,
like bitch or whatever else to your point.
but I never heard the lady who made cakes on my floor, a Spanish woman, I never heard,
Latino woman, I never heard her say, nigger, never.
Her husband, none of that.
So there is a generational thing.
It's definitely geographical.
And it is also, to your point, understandable why for many people, that standard that they
have set about the use of the term applies to anybody who is not black.
And I think that from Joe's perspective, he has to understand, to your point about using, using, what did you say, your own peril, right?
He has to understand that they're not wrong either.
And Joe's experience is not wrong, but people who see and hear him using the term, they also have a right to their feeling.
And what you have to do is make a decision about where you stand and that's just where you live with it.
Because going back to my family member, when he's got 20 cyber trucks out here, right?
And are we going to say we hate him and he can no longer come to the family barbecue?
No.
Now, if you tell me you voted for Donald Trump, I don't fuck with you at all.
So that's where, see, that's my red line.
Yeah, you got your red line.
I got my red line.
And it's acceptable.
And you made a very good point.
So when Joe says that he's the blackest nigger, you know, it gaslight some people.
And he has to understand that because first of all, they're already mad that you're using the word.
And now you're doubling down trying to say that you're black and black people.
And you know, and you have to understand that some people are not going to like it.
Some of us are going to laugh at it and like, yo, Joe from the hood.
And that's funny.
But there's going to be a lot of people that offend it.
So, you know, you got to understand.
If I don't want to offend people, then I got to try to meet them somewhere.
So we're all right, I understand that this offends you.
but understand that this is my cultural and this is my reality, you know,
and just find a, find a medium there to where people just get it.
And even the ones that don't get it, they don't feel like you actually trying to disrespect it.
Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens.
Because, you know, Joe's the kind of guy that I can see him in Marplema,
My Hill, and other people sitting down having a conversation.
And I do think that there is room for a, you know, every few years, every few years,
the N-word becomes a major conversation in the culture.
The N-A-C-P buried the N-W-A-C-P buried the N-W-W.
I mean, I have throughout my career every decade been involved in a conversation
about the use of the N-word.
So this is, this is, this is just a recycling of the debate on who can and who cannot
and what is the use of it
and where are we also using a word
that attracts a certain attention to us
where we've also decided
because Roland Martin is anti the use of the word nigger
completely 100% completely.
He's against it.
And you and him have had debate back and forth about that.
So like I said, this is the recycling
of something that constantly comes up
And I think it's healthy that a new generation has the opportunity to experience it and decide where they stand on the issue because people in the culture that they listen to today are talking about it.
The NACP buried the NWWRD maybe 15 years ago.
You know, I don't even know that I know it's been years and years and years and years and years.
It was before you and I started working together.
They had a funeral for it.
It was a funeral procession.
they did the whole thing.
So again, here we are having this conversation.
And again, I think that it is important for young people to hear it,
to make decisions on where they stand,
and to push the culture forward to the next debate
in the direction that they see fit.
You said it best.
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