The Breakfast Club - Troy Ave Interview

Episode Date: June 29, 2015

Troy Ave discusses why his album only sold 4,500 copies and how he is able to profit as an independent artists. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Weekday mornings, 6 to 10. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. I'm blasted off in your head. Weekday mornings, 6 to 10. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Special guest in the building. Yo, boy, Choi F. That's the part where I say my name. I'm good, man.

I ain't do this in a while. I'm mad tired, but I'm good. I'm blessed, man. Well, I'm glad you're here. Yeah, you need to be here. Because, you know, you had the internet going nuts last week. I had it up. I had it up, bro.

You sold 4,500 records. Allegedly, that's what they said. They said 30 physical copies. Right. Were those numbers accurate? No, I don't know they wasn't accurate. You know what I'm saying? I think Billboard wrote like an article after about what exactly happened.

Because, you know, that was really my first time going and selling stuff. Like the other time I had New York City, the album, I put it up for sale for 12 hours, and then after that, I put it out, you know, for free on live mixtapes with Dat Piff or whatever. But this was the first time I went and did it full out. It'll go cap it, best buy, whatever. What happened was I dropped the album on Friday. Usually albums drop on Tuesday,

and the physical copies wasn't supposed to come out until Tuesday, you feel me? So what happened was between Friday to Monday, I guess SoundScan is reported from Friday to Monday. So from Friday to Monday, I sold like 4,300 or whatever, under 4,500, you know what I mean, in those two days or whatever. And then on the, what was it?

On Tuesdayuesday the 30 copies that were sold they were so illegally like i don't give a they were so illegally because i just want my music out but basically it was like the mom and pop stores that had them and if people came to ask for them early they was just giving them and it was really just one one store in in the bronx you know i mean i sold it 30 copies but shout to them they got my music out ain't tripping It's 4,500 records sold a flop for Independent artists first week. No, no No You got to think like I I seen everything going in the uproar and all that and it said I saw

4,500 records but if I'm getting 95% of my bread and that within that week from that friday to the it wasn't from friday friday to saturday whatever i made 120 bands you feel me between the record sales between 30 000 singles between you know i mean doing hosting so like when you independent and you really self-made and self-paid independent then it don't matter it don't matter you got to get the slow ground like the reasonable doubt ground like you know i I'm saying? They're going to catch on later, and they keep picking up and picking up and picking up. And at the end of the day, I'm here to make money. I'm here to get the paper. And now I understand what Jay-Z meant by,

can you really match a triple platinum artist buck by buck with only a single going gold? I can really match a platinum artist buck by buck with not even a single going gold. You feel me? Because what usually happens is an artist, they'll get a deal, and their regular deal, they get 15% of every dollar, a little more if they hot, you know what I'm saying? And now with me, I'm getting 95% of every dollar. So if an artist get 15% of every dollar,

they sell a million singles or whatever, they're supposed to be over $150,000. But the record label has spent $250,000, $300,000 but the record label done spent 250 300 to make them hot so really what happens if they spend 250 their artists

owe 100,000 back to the label you feel me with Troy Ave it don't cost me nothing to make no album I got my own producers I got my own

art graphic design you don't pay for features nah I don't got when you got the respect when they see you coming up and they see you like you the boy they gonna do that with the strength. Same way I do it, you know what I'm saying? If I see somebody moving, I'm gonna do that with the love.

And everybody you see on there like, yo, we rocking with you, what you need. Or shoot me back a feature or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all just have five in here. Yo, whatever you need. 50. You make it sound like police. 50. Yo whatever you need 50 You make it sound like police 50 Yeah so what I was saying Is like

If I turn around And I sell 100,000 records Or whatever Like I'm getting more money Than somebody Who went platinum You know what I'm saying

And I'm just talking About singles And singles Be moving everything How much does BSB Get off that Cause I mean Of course it's gonna sell

More than 4,500 over time But how much does BSB Get over that 4,500 Off of course it's going to sell more than $4,500 over time. But how much does BSB get over that $4,500? We get 95%. You know, 5% go, no, 90%. 5% go to my lawyer and then 5% go to the distributor. But I'm so ill that I negotiated it where I need the distributor to pay 2.5 of my lawyer percentage. I pay the other 2.5.

It's all about Having the leverage To do what you want to do And he's an independent artist At his truest form Meaning he doesn't Have help Doing radio He doesn't have help

Everything comes out Of his own pocket So he pays for Radio promotion He pays for touring He pays for everything Usually when an artist Is independent

They get a little help From a label And they only get up They got a little Secret development deal Or something like that. It's so ill. Look how I came here. Y'all remember when I first started?

He was like, yo, go sign to a label. Sign. He was like, yo, how long? Whatever, whatever. And then I just stood here and I stood the test of time. I stayed focused on what I was going to do. I told you. I said, I'm going to buy me a crib.

I'm going to get me a Rari. I'm going to do this thing independent. You know what I'm saying going to buy me a crib. I'm going to get me a Rari. I'm going to do this thing independent. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. I still want to go to a major, but as a joint venture. I want to do what

Rockefeller had. I want with Murder, Inc., with Bad Boy. Do you have to in 2015, though? Do you really need that? I mean, it puts you on, with me,

it's like hustling. I was a heavy hustler, so I always result everything back to that. That's my mind frame. So if I'm hustling on 100 blocks and I'm making $1,000 a day, whatever. Say I'm making $1,000 a day off of one block. Now, record label going to put me on 1,000 blocks, but they want to take 50%. I ain't tripping. That's still more money.

I got to give up half, but I'm getting more money. Instead of me getting $1,000, now I'm getting, what's 1,000 times, what, $500,000, $50,000, whatever it is. I'm still getting more money. And at the end of the day, we ain't greedy. Now, people had a lot of jokes after they put that out there with the sales and everything. A lot of memes, a lot of things. Right, right. Even Crayshon commented.

A lot of people commented. It don't affect. Like, I come from the dirt I come I come from I'm self-made and self-paid I can't say that enough the real things that affect me like jokes and all that that don't affect me this to me that's like it's like I'm like Jackie Robinson and a racist fan you know I mean hey or whatever Michael Jordan when you see him putting his hand up and it's somebody in the crowd you whatever it don't matter At the end of the day Cause if you look up

At the scoreboard I'm still winning If I was broke Or if I was If the show started slowing up Or I just came from Miami I'm dead tired You know what I mean

But I know I gotta work It's a big platform I gotta be here You know what I'm saying I just came from Miami My life It ain't crazy

Like Crazy You feel me One thing I like about you Is your confidence But I also think I'm gonna take the crazy part I just came from Miami My life It ain't crazy Like Crazy You feel me One thing I like about you Is your confidence But I also think I'm gonna tell you the crazy part Not to cut you off

I seen somebody say Yo I don't like Cho-Yev Because he's too confident What type of Too cocky they say No I seen too cocky But I was like Alright people

When somebody say too confident That shit don't make no sense to me That's just other people's insecurities That's me shining a spotlight on it Because of my confidence You know what I'm saying And it's making them insecure too confident that don't make no sense to me that's just other people's insecurities that's me shining a spotlight on it because of my confidence you know i'm saying and it's making them insecure like it don't what happens is they try to like you try to tear troy ab down it's like you gotta look at the people that's writing stuff it's either uh people that i came in contact with and for whatever reason they don't like me for a personal reason, so it's a bias, you know what I mean, or whatever.

They call you Troy Average. I had a song. I heard somebody call me Troy Average. Well, let me tell you about this shit. Troy Average, two to four, what did I fucking say? I'm talking two to four new hoes on the average, and an eight and a half to dime on the average. Every show I get a dime on the average, and my dime is about 81 carats.

So you played with it. You know what I'm saying? It don't affect me. You got to think, when these people tear down Cho-Yav, it's like who else do we got from the city that's doing it this way? You ain't just trying to tear down me. You're trying to tear down a generation of people. You want them to lead and follow somebody else?

You want them to be drug addicts? Or you want them to have – I represent ambition. i represent grinding coming coming from the bottom when people tell you you can't do nothing you can't not you ain't gonna be this or you ain't gonna be that y'all all went through the same struggle look at the platform that y'all at you feel what i'm saying like everybody came from i'm pretty sure envy had to carry crates or whatever you know i'm saying people got more pride than money and and i'm willing to take risks i put my pride to the side i put my money where my mouth is i put my work ethic i sacrifice to be where i'm at so for somebody to try to tear me down and slander me it's like damn you're like modern day slavery like you know i'm saying like to the point where they say um yeah you know what

troy ab's doing too much he's not like a humble or a type of a yes a boss type of you know what? Troy Abb's doing too much. He's not like a humble or a type of yes or boss type of n***a. You know what I'm saying? So we need to tear him down. You know what I mean? Not comparing myself to Malcolm or Martin, but they tore that. They tore him down. Well, you did compare yourself to Jackie Robinson or Michael Jordan. Yeah, definitely.

Because they're great. Shit. You better compare yourself to the greats if you want to be great. But do you think part of it is comments that you've made about other artists too in the past? Because people have been... I be dealing facts. I be dealing... Even like, look, calling Kendrick Lamar a weirdo.

And I know you clarified that. They ask me if I think Kendrick Lamar is a weirdo. At the end of the day, at the beginning and end of the day, when you independent and you like I am, nobody built me up so can't nobody tear me down so i don't i'm not held to the same restraints as artists on a major who might not be able to say something because they're on that label with that person or they might need this person for a feature so let me dance around and be politically correct like i just dealing facts if somebody say yo choiavis dark skin that's a fact i can't get mad you can't get mad at somebody for reporting the news you know i never said kendrick lamar was whack he made whack music I just said all right they said

you think Kendrick Lamar's a widow I said yeah he's a widow and that was it I didn't say it in a malicious way because I don't care at the end of the day you could be a widow you I don't care what you are as long as it don't affect me and mine I don't care but that's the only reason people are slandering you the way they are. Yeah, or even chance to rap. That is. Nah, they trying to tear me down because I represent everything that they not. And my confidence, that makes them become insecure. Because if you got people like me who ain't afraid to say, yo, I'm that. Which one?

LeBron said he's going to win because he's the best in the world. And it was an uproar. Why you can't say that? When Michael Jordan... Charlamagne was just saying he doesn't think he should have said that. Because he's down to the top. Everybody. Why not?

I think you should allow other people to speak for you. You can't. You can't. Because what if they don't speak for you? If they don't speak for you, then what does that mean? Maybe you're not working hard enough. No, hell no. Are you not as hard as you think you are? You gotta put that out there.

When Lil Wayne was saying he the best rapper in the world or the best rapper alive, minus Jay-Z being alive, if he didn't say that, I wouldn't have been thinking that. And then what happened? Lil Wayne ended up getting hot, and he became the best rapper to a lot of people. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you can't wait for somebody to give you your just due.

You got to take it. You feel me? It works when you got the actions behind it to prove it. You got to keep working. You can't just say it. You got to have the work ethic. You got to have the work ethic, but when you know what you're it to prove it. You got it. You got to keep working. You can't just say it. You got to have the work ethic. You got to have the work ethic. But when you know what you're going to be, you do that.

You put it out there. I remember I was talking to Meek. Shout out to Meek Miller. I'm talking to Meek. And I'm like, we was talking about just rappers and saying a bunch of Chuck shit or whatever. And shit they don't got. I don't talk about nothing I don't got. And then I was like, yeah, I don't even be talking about having Ferraris or Lambo.

I'm getting a Ferrari. Me and Envy was talking. I'm getting a Ferrari. I'm focusing. I can tell. I hear your mind. All right. Yeah.

So I was like, yeah, I don't be fucking with shit like that. And Meek was like, man, I ain't gonna front. I did. But that's because I knew I was going to get it. I knew I was going to be that. I knew I was going to have the shit I was talking about. You know what I mean? And you put it out in the universe.

And if you go hard and get after it,'s gonna happen that is true so a lot of other artists do show you respect and have been working with you wanting to collaborate with you wanting to sign with you yeah but for some reason i don't know why your haters are so vocal like i go online it's because of the attitude which is good you gotta have it but it's because like yo i'm not cocky. I'm confident, man. I know I'm not saying that I can do nothing that I can't do or that I haven't been doing. I told everybody I was going to restore the feeling in my city.

I did that on the last album. Now I'm not. I like the New York City album, but a lot of people from New York feel like you didn't. They're like, what have you done to restore the feeling? What have I done? I saved a whole generation of people from being drug addicts and turning up and wearing tight pants and feeling like they can't have hometown pride. That's what I did. I look and I sound like New York.

And I kept it 100 all the way through. And you feel me? And all of that. And I get a majority of support. So that's why I ain't never tripping. You know what I'm saying? You need to save people from wearing tight pants. I mean, you need to save people from wearing tight pants you got I mean you got to because look look look if you start dressing

feminine what's next you be Caitlyn Jenner and yeah listen man that's crazy I saw anything happened I saw a whole article about Troy Ave is scared that his son might be gay no I didn't even have a son when they wrote that. No, I know, but you were doing a lot of tweets about, like, okay. Yo, that's another thing. They be digging up my tweets from 2011, the old type of stuff. Like, they said I said Kanye West ain't fly. Somebody just dug it up and put it out there. Like, all right.

Like, what do they hope? I'm telling you, they just trying to tear Troy half down. You committing a very dangerous crime right now. You got Adidas and Nikes on, man. First of all, I'm going to tell you about that. Because I'm going to tell you, it's so ill, it's so ill that you don't even know where that came from. That's me. I'm the one who put that out there.

You can't mix and match brands. I put that out there. You can check the video. It's from like three, four years ago. But now, it's certain sneakers that you can wear. You can put the camera on these. These ain't regular sneakers. It's certain classic joints.

These are the high-top Air Force Ones. They a little more money than the low-top. I wouldn't do the low-top. You feel me? Or certain Jordan brands, you could do this. Like, I'm one of the flyest ones moving. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't saying that in a cocky way.

I'm just dealing in facts. I got people wearing track pants from Adidas. And this is from Wex who's saying that. This is Wex at Adidas saying, sales have spiked in Adidas track pants since we did a deal with choi ave i just dealing facts i like to keep it black and white no no they track the um soccer pants okay okay yeah tracks who's it's like i ain't got people wearing those i ain't gonna chuck you like i've been doing that but the um the soccer uniform wasn't nobody wearing that wasn't nobody wearing soccer jerseys you feel me?

And then I came through burning it up. But, yeah, you can wear Adidas with high-top Air Force 1s with the strap or, like, Jordans and stuff like that, but you can't just be wearing them on Nikes with a regular Nike check. You can't wear Air Max with Adidas. Or the Air Force 1s with the Adidas tracksuit. Nah, you can't. That's just a note. That's no bueno. You got to get some shell toes and just keep it cool, man. Now, how did you and 50 end up making

amends? Because I know at first he felt a little bit wary, like, okay, this guy's Triad. That's because money nails f***ed that whole thing up, man. Nah, I'm f***ed. Hovane! Look who's up! Hovane! Get a chair for Hovane, man.

Look at that big old Cuban on his wrist. We getting money, man. How did that come about? How did you and 50 end up having a conversation? I know now you're supposed to do some dates with him, possibly on the road, did a song together. How did y'all finally make some amends? It was actually at a Chris Brown concert at Barclays. I was supposed to come out but I ended up getting there

a little late or whatever because I found out last minute so Paul I mean when I get to the spot Chris was going to bring you out yeah at the Barclays so when I get to the spot I see 50 in a joint in the underground driveway joint and the parking lot

indoor arena and then like I'm the type of person you ain't going to hear like if somebody the type of person, you ain't going to hear if somebody got a problem with me, it ain't going to be like I'm not going to be in the same room as them and know nothing happened. I ain't a passive person. You feel me? And that's probably another reason

why I be getting some slack sometimes, but I'm confident. Whatever. Anyway, after the whole thing you know with the with the g-unit and the lloyd banks and then whatever and then y'all asked me how i felt or whatever and then um 50 said something i forgot on who it was i said man when i see this i'm gonna pull him to the side i gotta chop it up like real talk like you know i'm saying which is a very dangerous thing to do in a lot of situations i mean it's dangerous for some people like but i ain't i ain't a coward you know what i'm saying and i know who i am so when i seen him like

oh i just had real talk i pulled him to the side and then we kicked it because that more than anything 50 was that that was my favorite rapper growing up you feel me so like for that type of that happened i felt like yo you supposed to embrace me. You feel me? You know what I'm saying? And he was like, yo, you know what? You're right. It was other shit moving around that happened with that. You know what I mean? And it wasn't, the energy wasn't directly towards me.

And he said, matter of fact, you know what? Take my number. Hit me tomorrow. Whatever, whatever. So I'm going through the airport. I hit him. We ended up talking for like 45 minutes. A 45-minute conversation ended up to a $15,000 check.

Was he answering your questions? Because you know how 50 I really go in a circle yeah no I really ask no question I was you sometimes sometimes you just gotta close your mouth open your ears you know I'm saying especially with somebody I've been the game that you respect and and I've been doing anything you know I mean so it wasn't a lot of questions I was just kicking kicking it with them, just regular real n****s. So he said, I'm going to put your song on power. You know what I'm saying?

I like what you're doing, et cetera, et cetera. And then, you know, we just took it from there and forged a relationship from there. And then once, like I've been consistent. No matter if Phipps said something

that I think was funny or whatever, I'm going to hunt it, man. I keep it all the way real. So I'm like, all right, whatever he said there, but regardless of anything, that's still my favorite rapper. And that's who influenced me to be doing what I'm a hunnid, man. I keep it all the way real. So I'm like, all right, whatever. He said that. But regardless of anything, that's still my favorite rapper. And that's who influenced me to be doing what I'm doing now, getting all this money where I'm at.

And then what happened? Me and him went to dinner. Me and him went to dinner. We went at the spot that you be at. You be in my spot. Yeah. I just shot me in my spot with my f***ing tipple in. What the f***?

So I said, man, I can't go to your n***a's spot now. That's how I felt when they told me you'd be there. I'm like, what? I'm not coming here no more. I go to the spot, and then we just hit it. He's like, man, it's some fly s*** or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I said. This is how I show gratitude.

You know what I'm saying? You influence me whether you realize it or not, indirectly or whatever. And that got me where I am now to be doing what I'm doing, so the least I could do is take you to dinner, and we just shopping it up, and we built from there. You know what I'm saying? That's funny you say that,

because you know you can always tell when hip-hop people come to this spot, because the first thing, when I go there, the first thing they said was, oh yeah, Troy, I was here.

I'm like, hey. He was just here. You can spell it in Cologne, man. Straight up. I see a lot of people also give you flack, man, because they said you haven't lived what you rap about.

They say the whole Dope Boy Troy thing is a farce. If it's a farce, where did the money come from? When I first came on Breakfast Club, I had a Rolex. Where you get it from? I had a Jesus piece. Where you get it from? I was driving a Mercedes. Where you get it from?

No. See, Hovany even had a Rolex. He had get it from? No. See? Hovay didn't even have a Roller. He had a Cartier, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But, like, you can't fake the money. That's one thing you can't fake, dog. No, I'm good, man. I live a good lifestyle.

We still in the streets. Don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, I'm blessed. I pray to God. And once you on God's side, I don't ever start no conflict. I'm always going to win because I don't ever start nothing, but I finish everything. That's a fact, though.

So when I know I'm blessed or whatever, whatever I say, whatever I do, I'm always right, you know what I'm saying? And not saying I'm right because I'm cocky, but I got God on my side. I don't start nothing. I never started nothing. Since I was probably like high school, I used to be into the bullshit, starting shit, robbing, all type of dumb shit. But after that, man, right is right and wrong is wrong.

Now, do you have any idea what these numbers are going to be like when they come out Wednesday? I know you can predict that sometimes. Maybe like, maybe like 7, 8,000 maybe. 7, I don't know what the hard copies is because I'm independent, so we don't ship how... I think usually labels might ship 50,000 hard copies where everything transformed to digital. So we only did a few mom and pop stores and a few Best Buys,

so they might have shipped 600 copies altogether of the hard copies because the majority of people streaming it on Spotify. I probably made... of the hard copies because the majority of people streaming it on Spotify. Like, I didn't, I made, I probably made, at first it was 15 bands off of Spotify

streaming off of the record Doodle. You know what I'm saying? So like, like the streaming, this shit is real. This new age streaming and downloading,

this shit is real. You feel me? And at the end of the day, to be honest, New York City, not New York City, Made You Without a Deal, that was supposed to be

a mixtape. I was supposed to get that shit to, I was supposed to get that shit to you without a deal that was supposed to be a mix tape I was supposed to get that shit on I was supposed to get that shit to that piff I was supposed to get a little bag with all those with all those appearances on it yeah it filled out later on that's supposed to be white Christmas three and the end of film you know I mean and and people thought I was chucking I was like let me get it right the only reason I ain't drop it around Christmas time was because what I didn't know like you know we going as we learn uh itunes shut down at a certain date and you can't get it on itunes or whatever so what i like to do is i usually will put it on itunes for 12 hours from 12 a.m and then 12 p.m you get it downloaded for free so it shut down on me and everybody left the office for the

holiday season and i couldn't put it out so i was like all right let me just wait and you know Nels and Hov like man it don't matter they're gonna wait for it and it's gonna be they're gonna be happy when they when they get it it's like you waiting for a ride then you mad as person probably finally show up be like man took you so long ain't you happy you ready to go so I knew what I had with that and White Christmas made you without a deal supposed to be White Christmas I was only supposed to get 15 to 20 bands for that, you know how that go on a little deadpiff or live mixtape shit, and I just held out, and I ended up, I made almost 10 times that, you feel me? So this shit is chess, not checkers, and this shit is a marathon, not a race, and I made

it to win it. There was a period of time when it seemed like T.I. was going to sign you, and he had even said that y'all were in talks and had a verbal agreement and that didn't work out so um what is your situation now with ti is it something that you're still talking about or is it that's big bro ti my dog like any type of i'm a loyal person so any type of business move i make you know i mean even if though because ti extended his hand and like, I don't ever take nothing for granted. I don't care if somebody give me a piece of bread when I ain't have nothing. I don't never, I ain't going to never.

A piece of burger? Nah, a piece of bread. He probably got burgers. Shout out to his new restaurant, Scale 925. I hope I said it right. But, yeah, if somebody give me a piece of bread when I ain't going to turn around and say, that was only a piece of bread. I never forget that, and they got my loyalty forever.

So whenever I'm making a business move, I'm gonna hit Tip. Yo, Tip, what's up? You think I should do this or whatever? And right now, he say, yo, it's time to get a joint venture or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So we just gonna figure it out.

No matter what type of business I do, I'm about to, well, I ain't gonna say what I'm gonna do because the contract ain't over yet. But it's all type of ways to get money. Like, I'm learning that. When I first started doing this music, I was focused on, yo, I'm going to get on stage. I'm going to do some shows. I'm going to get some bitches.

I'm going to get a nice car. I'm going to get a little fame. And I'm going to just have money. But I ain't know. Look, I had a billboard all throughout all throughout uh new york i got commercials on um on tv for sean john my video premiered in times square i'm doing endorsement deals with with liquors and clothing companies that's because i'm hot you know i'm saying the hottest artists don't always sell the most amount of records that's a fact though you think your sales would

have been high on a major label yeah hell yeah definitely because they would they would have spent they probably would have spent envy notice because he ain't all I heard I heard they spent like seven hundred some thousand to market artists and make you hot is that true or you can tell me right now exactly so a new artist coming in how much would they spend about? On that, marketing could be $150. So totally, everything that they would spend on them. $150 nowadays. I mean, usually when you sign a deal, it could be like a $500,000 deal.

They give you $100,000 up front, maybe $150 recording, and then the rest goes into marketing and promotion. Well, what I spend... The money go to Nelson, because he going to pocket it. Of course, that's what Nelson like to do. He like to pocket the money. Ovein County, Nelson pocket it. But good thing it's going to pocket it. Of course. That's what Nelson like to do. He like to pocket the money. Ovein County and Nelson pocket it. But good thing it's enough

to go around. They only give about $150 now. On marketing and promo. All right, cool. Well, I'm spending less than a fraction of that. You know what I'm saying? And my return is bigger.

So you got to think. That's why after Major Without a Deal, we had four calls. All major labels. What's up? What we doing? You know what I'm saying? And we like, all right, we're going to see.

Let's wait. Because now it's different when a nigga like me, I ain't coming to them asking for nothing. They coming to me. So now I got the leverage. Now I've been, now they see that it cost Troy Ab nothing to make an album And he could sell These amount of records You know what I'm saying So

Now imagine If we put This big spotlight on him Or whatever You know what I'm saying Imagine what he could sell And The good thing about it

With me is I'm hot In New York City I'm not hot In In Arizona You know what I mean

Or I'm not hot in Omaha, Nebraska Or I'm not an artist That mean or or not I'm not hot in Omaha Nebraska or I'm not an artist that's hot right there I'm hot in the biggest city I'm hot so when you hot here you really feel it you feel I'm saying so like I could be independent forever I only want to make five million dollars as all that's that's my focus five million I'm be rich forever I ain't I ain't never gonna go broke my family good everything so when you, I take, I make small goals for myself,

and I've been accomplishing them shit. Yeah, you got more than five million. We got to make more than five million. No, I know it's all obtainable. You got your little baby boy. Yeah, shout out to my little man too, man. Yeah, yeah. What's your relationship like with Manolo Rose?

Because it was all kind of issues. They said the Dope Man record, they said you stole the hook and a verse from that song. You know what it is? We don't really got no relationship. You know what I'm saying?

When I see him, I probably give him a wedgie or slap him. So I'm regular, but it ain't, nah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what it is? We ain't got no relationship

when I see him I give him a wedgie. That means y'all ain't got no problem. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Why the violence? You know what it is? They like,

I'm gonna tell you the whole dynamic with that. They like some older n****s from the hood who, it was like more so on the weirdo type of vibe. You know what I mean? Nothing wrong with that. You could be cool with a weirdo type of vibe. But like, I'm going to explain to you the dynamic of our relationship. I know them and their team from selling them cocaine to sniff.

I'm the dealer. It's not allegedly. It's a fact, though. I'm the dealer. They the user. You know what I'm saying? But you can still, to each his own. Everybody got their vices.

No problem. You can do your thing, whatever, whatever. But now it's like a fiend from the hood. The fiend might be cool. Yeah, y'all chilling. Yeah, wipe off my tires. I'll give you some money for it, whatever. But a fiend ain't never going to be happy with the $10,000,

come on, give me a little bit more. Come on, give me a little bit more. But, I mean, he said he gave me a hit record. No problem. Make another one. I wish you the best. Wait, so you did take the song, though? I did not take the song.

It was all about the money, right? I bought the beat. The song was the same record. The producer who I bought the beat from, he just actually, Manolo rapped the song straight through. The producer chopped it up, made the hook or whatever. They've been trying to get a feature with me. The DJ, which is a homeboy of mine, he played it at a barbecue.

I'm like, yo, that's hot. I jumped on a remix. That's where they get, I took the verse from. What I was going to do is use his joint and leave him on it or whatever. So I was just playing off of his verse. You know what I'm saying? And then what happened was I put it out and then started playing it. So I said, yo, what I'll do is I could cash you out or I'll leave you on the hook or whatever

and put you in the video, everything. He was like, I bet. Yeah, I'm all with it. I'm all with it. But before that, they was initially butthurt because I didn't reply to a text message or something, and I ain't never do it maliciously. Like, I ain't the type of n***a that eggs my texts or whatever.

I was just busy and didn't see it until mad long later on. You know what I mean? But like I said, when people say they did something for you, that's four to five songs ago. You feel me? So if you made a hit record, make another one and just do your thing. I gave you the platform. He did though with the Run Rick and Run kind of.

Did he? That was a hard record. That was big in the club. It ain't about being a hard record. Is it a hit record? Is he getting bags? Is he moving around? If that's a good record, then I guess so.

Man, I'm blessed. So I don't be, I wish the best for people and whatever. I ain't even gonna say I wish the best for them. I just don't care. I'm doing my thing so much. Yeah, I mean, you know how that go. You running, telling me, what the fuck do I want you? You stupid or whatever.

You know what I mean? That's it. But I just be wishing the best for people. I just don't care because I'm so much focused on doing my thing, man. And I got to deal with Real life issues I gotta deal with With writers Trying to

Trying to tear me down You know what I'm saying Like what is this about Like where does this come from They wanna dig up my old past Like look at the whole thing With Vice Wright How does Complex

Have such a bad review About my album And that That shit What is it called When um Ain't writers supposed to be Unbiased You feel what I'm saying So to have such a bad review about my album and that that's what is it called when um ain't writers supposed to be unbiased you feel what i'm saying so to have such a bad review than everybody else

and what the f**k is complex talking about this is crazy with all the all the legends in the game anybody who heard my album yo this is crazy that shows you there's bias with it but you know i got i gotta deal with that because i represent everything that they don't i stand for everything that they don't like they want you to be yes a boss and and just be all fragile and docile i'm on some man that we move a militant if if my don't uh because they want to pay me i'm paying myself yeah i just sold the cd on the out here. That's a fact, though. I hopped out and sold the CD for $5. I got $11,000 in my pocket, but I don't care because I'm focused. I never lose sight of what got me here and my ambition and what I want to be.

I came here to be great. I ain't come here to be a flash in the pan. You feel me? You have the support of established artists. What about up-and-coming artists that might look at you as competition or you might look at them as competition? Do you feel like there's— I don't care about competition.

I feel like do you have people that are up-and-coming with you that you feel like, okay, I'm cool with them, I'm cool with them? Yeah, I'm cool with Young Lito. That's my dog. That's your heart, though. Yeah. Lito, dope as f***. Lito Bleasy. Shout out my dog, Ble's your auntie. Lito, dope as fuck. Lito, bleezy.

Shout out my dog, Bleezy. He from Brownsville, too. I just vibe with people when it's a honey, when you really rock with them. He stay with the same people all the time. I don't be with that whole music industry. Hey, you rap, I rap. Let's fuck around. Hell no.

Where I'm from, we don't trust people. I seen niggas get old for trusting people. Like, you be out of here. Trust can turn you dust. So just because we rap, we not in a rapper union, you know? Yeah, I got to f*** with you, we brothers. Hell no. I f*** with you.

I'm with my same niggas that I came up with. I'm not kicking it with a bunch of rat niggas because we all in the music business together. It don't work like that. Now, if somebody come across genuine, then I'm going to f*** with them. And we going to vibe. Like, oh, yeah, you a hundred. I don't got to hear about you try to kick in my back from a uh from some bitch that we whatever behind you know i'm saying like corny shit like that

because i ain't i ain't for the corny so i don't be really kicking it with much much people i'm like i come from the same street aspect of everything like that's how i look at everything when in new york you don't say what's up to people and just all over something forge a friendship. You don't do that. Just cause you work or whatever, you don't do that type of. Bring the phone man, state your biz. And Hovain be telling me all the time,

he be like, yo man, this shit, you gotta look at this shit like work and these is your coworkers man. And I'm like, man, I'm a passionate person so I can't get over it. So hopefully I learned to work and I just the people I with is the hopefully I learn to work and I just, the people I fuck with is the people I fuck with.

Everybody that you see on my album, like I fuck with them. Like Pusha T hit me at eight in the morning. Yo album, crazy. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that.

Just reaching out, showing genuine love. When I ask people, I be like, why don't you like Troy Ave? And they be like, well, how can't you like Troy Ave?

They said they don't like that you bully like industry people like the writers. Hell, what? Hell, when? But they say you don't you like Troy Ave and they'd be like well how can't you like Troy Ave they said they said they don't like that you bully like industry people like the rioters but they say you don't run up on nobody that's the real street dude like who what real street dudes ever have a problem with me what real street dude ever because I'm gonna tell you the thing about real street they respect other street because they know nobody want to be into no violence for no reason because there's only one it's a couple ways it's going to end

somebody's going to die, somebody's going to go to jail somebody's going to get hurt and then you, I don't know if you've hurt somebody before, but that feeling of having to be low key, damn cops going to come get me that shit is going to be a whole vibe if you're up from getting money for a short period of time.

But you don't want to do that. So real street niggas have respect. What writers are you bullying? No, that's what I'm saying. What writers have I ever bullied? How would one bully a writer? That's what I'm trying to say. It'd be a bunch of...

Nobody that don't have something negative to say about me, they have not listened to my music from an unbiased standpoint. You feel what I'm saying? Like, if you just, you can search my name, you'll see probably 85% of people like, yo, Troy have albums, crazy, fuck you talking about. And then the other 15% will be like,

yeah, oh, he only sold X amount of records or whatever, whatever. But I'm independent, dog. Like, you're not stating, you're not dealing in facts. If somebody dealing in facts, I can always respect it. I don't care what you're talking about. You're dealing in facts, I'm always respect. If you say, man, that n**** show you have, his Cuban links ain't even a kilo.

It's only 700 grams. And then you want to try to diss me for that? All right, I'm going to get the other 300 grams when I get my bread up. Whatever. But don't say no dumb s***. You got to deal in facts. That's all it's about. Did you see McCone's tweet where he don't say no dump you got a deal in facts that's all this about did you see McConaugh's tweet where he said he didn't like major without a deal

shit I didn't I didn't I mean I like I like McConaugh's song going up on Tuesday you know what I'm saying so shout out to the OVO of Johnny Rocks you know what I'm saying so I ain't man I don't trip over that that all that music industry, that shit ain't real to me, man. For real, this shit is fake because it's a fact, though. When I see people who allegedly have a problem, they either apologize or it's going to be an issue. And I'm going to always win and come out on top. That's a word to my son. I don't take no L's.

That's a fact, though. You know what I'm saying? That's because I don't start nothing And you serious about your FaceTime too On FaceTime You got your headset When you FaceTime Oh man

Yo Nah Look I be in the work I was in the work mode man I was in my laptop I be I really be working hard

It's me Hovain and Money Nails And I be by my laptop Sending out emails I gotta send out Tell her I got to send out teller. I hit this N-V every other morning. Yo, play my shit. Hold me down. 5.30 in the morning.

Or tomorrow. Other niggas ain't on it like that. You get comfortable. But here, I'm chilling. I can't get comfortable. I had a lot of achievements, and I'm blessed to be here. You know what I'm saying? I don't take none of this shit for granted, even being here on The Breakfast Club.

My life getting crazy. I just left from a fucking hotel. I came from Miami, two parties. Four parties, I'm lying. The first party was regular. Then I had two on Saturday. I flew straight here. Had a party last night.

I was in a fucking hotel last night. And then I came straight here to The Breakfast Club because I knew I'm trying to be professional ain't trying to be late and you ain't got no celebrity party yet though he's a motherfucking liar as a fact though I ain't going out to check with man I got a new boy I ain't putting myself out there. But he's a motherfucking liar, nigga. I'm hot enough. That's a fact. Straight up. What's up with your son?

Hold on. Love and hip hop hit me five times. I said, hell no. What's up with your son's mother, though, and your relationship with her? We good. We all the way good. Hell yeah. Like, together still?

We straight. We straight. You know what I'm saying? We good. Like, I'm about to get a, like, one of my dreams that I'm about to do um i'm about to get a big ass house i was talking to envy about cribs you know i'm saying i get a big ass house uh 1.1 million is what i seen but after me and was talking i'm like maybe i get something for 750 000 that i could uh you know restore fix up and then it'd be worth that or whatever and i'm gonna going to move her and have my moms and everybody in a big-ass house.

And don't get it wrong, my moms ain't living dirt poor. Your mom is retired now. Yeah, my mom's got a brownstone. She got money and all that. But, you know what I'm saying? It's like, all right, I'm going to have that whole family structure.

Then I got my fly-ass condo that I just bought. Marble floors, heated marble, all type of... You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to heated marble all type of you know what I'm saying I'm just trying to boss my life up that's why I'm saying how could you hate Troy Ad

the real is gonna get motivated the fake is just gonna hate it and all I do I'm about ambition I'm about coming from the bottom

I'm about working hard hard work and dedication I'm living proof that if you work hard dedicate yourself and believe in God you can do anything I mean you can still

prove people wrong. You know what I mean? 4,500 first week, first week sales don't always tell the tale. It's going to be more than 4,500. But it wasn't a whole week. It was just the weekend. Yeah, it was only two days. I sold 4,500 records in two days.

That's amazing. That don't tell the whole tale. At all. That's what I'm saying. Like, the Jay-Z grind, it's just slow grind. It's slow grind. And I can sell this amount of records, but bet you you're going to see me hosting them parties.

Motherfuckers are going to come pay to see me. Like, even when I was just doing clubs just now. Miami, I'm doing clubs. When, if I'm in the street, I'm going to sell you a CD. If you come to the club to see me, I'm going to give you the album. I don't care, because you came to see me. So it cost me less than a dollar to print up

a quick little replica CD, whatever, duplicate. Motherfuckers paying $30, $50, $1,500 for a table to come see me. I don't just take from the people. I like to give back. You know what I'm saying? I like to be like, I stop, I take all the pictures with these people. You know what I mean? Because BSB is the people's brand.

And I represent the people. You look, anybody ever met me, damn, Troy, I have a cool ass s***, man. He a real dude. Like, I'm going to stop on it. Yo, even if I'm running, come on, let's take it. Let's take it on the walk. Let's do it, my nigga. Oh, come on, shorty, I got you.

Whatever. It's nothing. Because I don't take none of this shit for granted. I'm really living my dreams. I'm living proof that you can live your dreams. And this shit, I feel blessed. Like, I be, sometimes I be waking up like, damn. I feel like, I feel like mother fucker.

And I was telling Hov The other day I feel like How Kobe Bryant Man Wanted to play basketball I'm pretty sure

We all wanted to be Think was going to NBA When he was younger Cool And mother Kobe came in the league He had his tongue out Like Michael Jordan

And shit like that But like Imagine how it feel To want to be like Mike And then really be in the league On some shit Like now When I get dressed

like shot my fab fab come through fly all the time going to the club i'm the i'm been being in the hood getting my money hustling and and it's like yo we gotta go to party fab gonna be there it's gonna be mad bitch this even before me homie was kicking it and all right we getting dressed we go in the club we got our little table we probably done paid $1,500 sometimes $4,000 we got a table but meanwhile

this nigga walking all the bitches go from here to looking this way you know what I'm saying so now I'm the nigga getting dressed up fly

where I'm coming doing some fly shit and everybody looking at me I'm on that platform and that shit feel good I can't even front and tell you it don't put on them tight pants go to the club I ain't never wearing them tight pants i can't wear skinny

jeans because my knots don't fit it's my last question would you have put the album out early knowing what the sales would have been not not early hell no i ain't i ain't released it you said wait say it again what i did you released early you released on like a friday no no no and you put it out no i meant I meant to do it like that. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Everything we not, I'm independent, so I ain't held to the same restraints of another artist.

The label released a statement saying you released it early because you wanted it to come out before Summer Jam. Yeah, I'm surprised I said that. That's crazy. But yeah, yeah, I wanted that shit to drop there. And then the physical copies, where they came out on Tuesday, like I could do whatever I want.

I could drop on Sunday night. It don't matter.'m still i'm still sell what i sell and i'm still get to the money and then it at the end of the day the sound scan is going to be more than 4,500 but even if i i was going to get 15,000 for this this album right let's say I sold 2,000 copies. That's 20 bands. Give or take because it's 5% off. That's 20 bands. I still came out on top. You feel me? And at the end of the day, it's about winning.

You got to look up at the scoreboard. It's about winning. They don't say how much you won by, if it was a blowout. It don't even matter who got the MVP. It's about winning. And I came here to win, dog. There's no way you can tear down Cho Yab. If you tear down Cho Yab, you're tearing down a culture. It don't even matter who got the MVP. It's about winning. And I came here to win, dog. You can't. There's no way you can tear down Cho Yab.

If you tear down Cho Yab, you're tearing down the culture. And I don't just mean black people. I mean black, white, Spanish. You're tearing down the culture. You're tearing down a kid that came from the streets and trying to transition and change his life around and come to be something successful and do legit business. You know know I'm saying so how could you hate on that they don't make no type of sense there you have it Troy Ave his album is out right now

major without a deal is rap album of the year I told people I was gonna have rap album of the year and it's rap if you listen to my album straight through when I say rap album of the year I I mean rap music. Like the classic rap, Biggie, Jay-Z, Young Jeezy, Trapper Dodd, T.I. Trap music, even Master P, Ice Cream, like that street shit. That's what it's bringing to you. Right now with rap, rap is the only genre of music where it's all bunched up and you don't get to get the uh sub genres of music with rock you get classic rock you get metal rock you get acid rock you get grunge rock you know i'm saying you get all type of different rock but with rap music they just bunch us up all in one they

don't separate the the uh conscious rap or the r&b rap or the uh the trap rap or the turn up or you know i mean the stoner rap and shit like that. They just bunch us all up in one. And I'm giving you that rap music, that Biggie, that Jay-Z, that street shit that you grew up on. Or even if you didn't grow up on it, I'm giving you the foundation, the solid foundation. And with Major Without a Deal, with New York City now, my whole campaign was I'm a stoner feeling.

I'm bringing back New York. New York is back. I did that already. Now, with Major Without a Deal. I'm bringing back New York. New York is back. I did that already. Now, it made you without a deal. I get to spread my wings. So you hear, you hear, I'm outside the box now. You know what I mean? So now you hear songs like you got from Biggie, like Bonin' Biggie, Biggie.

You know what I mean? Or Jay-Z, Big Pimpin'. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm just outside the box. And this shit is rap album of the year. And it's going to flourish. And I guarantee you guarantee me even doing this it's gonna spike up

the sales so let's talk about the number six months from now let's talk about that if I'm still getting these bags I don't

ain't nothing slowing up I'm blessed people be scared to promote and scared to pray gotta do that shit all the time and I'm on my grind

and I represent the people you gotta vote you gotta root for Cho Yav if you don't root for Cho Yav. If you don't root for Cho Yav, then you ain't rooting for the dream. You ain't got no dreams. You ain't got no dreams, no hopes, no ambition.

You killing all the hopes. You killing the hopes of anybody to say, yo, I want to grow up and go to NFL. I want to grow up and go to NBA. I want to grow up and be a doctor. I want to grow up and be a rapper. I want to grow up and be president. They're tearing it down.

No, you can't do that. No, you got to be humble. You got to be docile. You got to be... Hell no. I just got to be great. I got to be focused. The comments are going to be like, Troy Ave's good, but he's no Kobe Bryant. He's no Jackie Robinson. He's no Michael Jordan. He's no Malcolm X. No fucking Malcolm Lamont, man. Who else did he say he was in this interview? Yeah. He's no Biggie Smalls.

He's no... It's going to be, Troy Ave compares himself to Malcolm X and all that. Like, fuck that. I'm a revolutionary. Yeah,'s going to be Trey F. compares himself to Malcolm X and all that. Like, man, fuck that. I'm a revolutionary. Yeah, I want to be like Malcolm X. He was a great person.

He was a great man and he stood for something and he didn't take no for an answer. If I would have taken no for an answer, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be nothing. I wouldn't be flourishing because, believe me,

on a road to success, many doors are going to get slammed in your face. People are going to cut you off. They're going to off gonna throw all type of tires in the racetrack banana pills in the racetrack you're gonna try all type of and you're gonna get haters but don't to anybody listening trying to do their thing a hater is nothing but an insignificant character in the story of your life. At the end of the day, it's going to say, mother****** teacher, substitute one, student, three, it's nothing. You don't remember the, I was watching the mother****** James Brown movie. James Brown had haters.

We all know James Brown. Do we know they're haters? We don't know. I can't name a James Brown hater. I just know because they was in the movie, but they don't matter. You got haters, you got haters, you got haters. You're still flourishing. That's what it's about.

I'm sure I can Google a girl's name that James Brown beat. Listen, man. She probably hates him. She probably hates him. We just flourishing, man. We all living our dreams and we all successful. And we all keep being successful and just keep grinding. And I just want everybody to know you can do the same.

Major Without a Deal, it got a bunch of jewels in it and gems. It comes with a money-back guarantee. I'm doing it again. It comes with a money-back guarantee. You don't like the album, you can hit me. I'll send you the money on PayPal, whatever, $10. But just know that you listen to Major Without a Deal. It's going to give you that motivation and that grind to go out and get it.

And don't look for no handouts. You can't have your hand in your chest out. Hovay ain't be looking like, I really wish he would stop saying he give people their money. We got the money, Charlamagne. Hold on. Look, look. No. Can I get $100?

Don't do it. Don't do it. I could give you $100, but I don't know. Give him my $100. See, then they gonna, look, I'm gonna tell you the other shit. They gonna say, man, Troy had to give Charlamagne $100, right? That's what they gonna say. Man, he didn't really have it, right?

You got to give him $100. You got it, man. Look out for your boy, man. I'm going to give him $100. Look out for your boy, Troy. It might be worth you or something like that. Troy, look out for your boy. Hold on, hold on.

Let me tell you what. This $100 is for. Yeah, this is a fact, though. And I'm not a Chuck. Let me tell you the difference between a Chuck and a Chuck. Chuck is going to have some money. And I still got the bank cards and shit, Envy. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't working around my re-up. Charles made a man $300. A Chuck is going to have more money. This ain't just for Charles and me. A Chuck is going to have the big bills on top and the small in the middle. No, I put the small bills on top and I had the big in the middle because I'm never trying to front for nobody. This $100 is not for Charlamagne.

This is for the breakfast club that had breakfast because they never had no motherfucking breakfast when I'm here. You might want to give that to me, then. No, no, no, Troy. No, no, no. You can't do that. It ain't no motherfucking ones in here, either.

You got to close it. It ain't no ones in here. He ain't going to buy us no breakfast. I'm the treasurer. I'm the breakfast club treasurer. You are not the treasurer. Stop it. Don't get on my...

This is my wave. The $100 is on my wave. Let me get that. Higa, you... We cut a breakfast club. You got to buy the breakfast club breakfast. And you start by giving Charlamagne $100. Charlamagne never gave us no breakfast.

He's not going to do it. Did he leave you in North Carolina? He sure did. That's not true. That's not true. I heard it. That's not true. I was tuned in early in the morning

Charlamagne picks up money Off the floor The camera's still rolling You gotta give me the 100-watt camera rolling Troy Troy You probably gonna put it

On some shoelaces I bought you no city That I would And made you without it That's the least you can do for me You gonna buy them breakfast? Absolutely Word is born

Alright my brother Appreciate you Sky Now you a friend Charlamagne was an early He was an early supporter He motherf***er Stood up for me at a time

When you was saying Some other dumb s*** And it's about It's about the people Who gonna f*** with you When you're not doing You're not in they face Or whatever

You know what I'm saying You shouldn't have to Give nobody a hundred dollars No no no I ain't doing I'm the most fortunate I need it He go to new s***

He's a lying motherf***er He go to new s*** When you come to the m***er. Here go the new s***. When you come to the breakfast club, you gotta buy breakfast because these n***as don't never have no breakfast. That's for real.

What's up with this s***? That's for real. There ain't no breakfast on the breakfast club? We made you without breakfast. That's it. The breakfast club is Troy Ave.

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Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zaka-stan. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-a-stan. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love.

I forgive myself. It's okay. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best, and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, y'all. Niminy here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone.

The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history, like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. I wouldn't give up my seat. Nine months before Rosa, it was called a moment. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, 1974. George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. Story behind the Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa.

It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.