The Breakfast Club - Two Sides of the Story ( Russell Simmons Interview and the Mother of Breonna Taylor)

Episode Date: June 10, 2020

Today on the show we had Russell Simmons tell his side of the story after sexual accusations came out about him also we had the mother of Breonna Taylor, the woman that was killed senseless by police ...from an incorrect search warrant. Moreover, Charlamagne gave "Donkey of the Day" to New York police union president Michael Omear for playing the victim on the violence during the protest... hold on let me get a violen. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:26 Charlamagne Tha God. Peace to the planet. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. Hump Day. And good morning, Toronto. Six, six, six, six, six, six, six. Shout out to everybody in the six, Toronto.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Good morning, everybody. How's everybody on this hump day? Well, today I definitely need to take my vitamins. Why is that? Well, yesterday was a long day. After the show, Angie Martinez and I spoke to Tamika Palmer, who is Breonna Taylor's mother. Breonna Taylor would have been 27 on Friday, but this was all after over the weekend we had a Zoom call.
Starting point is 00:03:06 And Breonna Taylor's mother still hasn't gotten justice for the police killing her. This was in Louisville, Kentucky on March 13th. The police officers who they had the no-knock warrant, which I know a lot of people have been having conversations about no-knock warrants right now. And they have even temporarily suspended them in Louisville, Kentucky. But they went to her house thinking that somebody was selling drugs out of her home. Turns out they had the wrong address. And the person had already been apprehended four hours earlier. They broke down her door and started shooting and ended up killing her.
Starting point is 00:03:36 They shot her eight times. And they still haven't gotten justice. The police officers haven't been fired. There's no charges, nothing. So this happened on March 13th again. And so right now we want to just make sure everybody knows the story and make sure that police do at least something has to happen for these police officers so that Tamika can feel some sort of justice was served. And she talks about how alone she felt, you know, this all happened when coronavirus was early on in the stages.
Starting point is 00:04:06 So people were distracted by that. And she's been getting the runaround. And there's different stories. And she gets to tell her whole story. So Angie Martinez and I came together to do this interview yesterday just because a lot of women, things are happening with women also, with black women. And their stories aren't being told. And there hasn't been justice served in a lot of those. So we want to make sure that we actually amplify
Starting point is 00:04:28 their story. Yeah, I can't wait to hear this conversation because there's so many details that you just don't know. It's kind of since coronavirus and the COVID-19 and George Floyd and the protests, you really didn't necessarily get this full, complete story. You didn't hear the impact of this story. So I'm excited about this conversation.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Yeah, the sad part about stories like Breonna Taylor is it's like out of sight, out of mind, right? Because you have videos for everything else. There's visuals for Ahmaud Arbery, visuals for George Floyd. You know, being that it's not a visual for Breonna Taylor, or other people that get killed at the hands of the police,
Starting point is 00:05:00 people seem not to focus attention and energy on those. They forget about it so fast. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm excited about this conversation. And there was a 911 call, by the way, that is heartbreaking when you hear it because when you hear her boyfriend calling 911
Starting point is 00:05:16 I was like broke down when I listened to that. It's hard to listen to. And also, Russell Simmons will be checking in this morning. You know, Russell Simmons, the founder of Def Jam and the founder of so many different things. He'll be checking in to talk about a new book he has coming
Starting point is 00:05:31 out shortly. It's called Eat to Live. And we're also going to be talking about everything that's going on in Russell Simmons' life. So there's a lot going on with Russell Simmons that we're going to talk about. Yes, there is. All that today, this morning. That was hard for me too. All the allegations against him. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So we'll talk to him as well.
Starting point is 00:05:47 So let's get the show cracking. Front page news, what we talking about? Well, let's talk about the chaos during the primaries that happened in Georgia yesterday. Long lines, a lot of confusions. I don't know what's going to happen with voting machines and provisional ballots and all of that. But we'll give you some updates on what happened yesterday when people went to go vote.
Starting point is 00:06:09 All right. We'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news. Where we starting, Yee? Well, let's start with voting in Georgia. There were a lot of voting delays across the state, and officials are calling for investigations. They're going to be investigating why voters spent four hours
Starting point is 00:06:33 at some point standing in line. It was a hot June day, and people were supposed to be voting. Some voting was extended to 9.30 p.m., more than two and a half hours after they were supposed to close, and at least one precinct stayed open until 10.10 p.m. So imagine that some people were leaving because they just couldn't wait any longer. And so right now it looks like voting machines were down. There were limited provisional ballots. People were saying voter suppression is happening right now, particularly in black communities. That's where a lot of this went down. They said we cannot let this happen in November.
Starting point is 00:07:06 So, oh, God, I've sat on this radio and gotten on cable news networks numerous times and said with possible possible Russian interference, voter depression, meaning people not enthused about the candidate and voter suppression. How are you going to beat Donald Trump in November? And all you hear Democrats say is we have to get the largest voter turnout in American history. Well, guess what, people? Hope is not a strategy. What is the plan to beat things like voter suppression? How? It's got to be a plan, right? State election
Starting point is 00:07:36 officials are saying there were all kinds of issues like inexperienced election workers, safety issues because of coronavirus, the heightened use of absentee ballots. And they're saying that there were malfunctioning equipment and all kinds of things that were happening.
Starting point is 00:07:54 And Democrats are looking to defeat two Republican senators in 2020 in a state where they haven't had a Democratic senator elected in 20 years. We know that voting is going to happen. We know that voting is going to happen. We know that voting is going to happen. We know these, you know, election booths will be open. There's nothing in place to prevent possible voter suppression.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Nothing. Apparently not. I don't know. Good luck. What's going to happen in November? I don't know because hope is not a strategy. All you hear Democrats say is we need the largest voter turnout in American history. What are you doing to get that? What are you doing to galvanize people, energize people, and garner people to come out?
Starting point is 00:08:35 You think just fear of Donald Trump is going to be enough? I don't know if that's the case. And yesterday was also the day that George Floyd was laid to rest. That's when they had the service that actually was a private service. So people were, you know, Monday, yesterday, they did have people waiting in long lines and in the heat. More than 6,300 people waited to pay their respects. But yesterday's service lasted close to four hours. It was only invited guests.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Those guests included people like Floyd Mayweather Jr., who actually paid for the funeral services, Slim Thug, Paul Waugh. Of course, Attorney Ben Crump was there, Reverend Al Sharpton. The mayor, Sylvester Turner, was there as well in Houston. And some of the people who spoke included Brooke Williams, who is George Floyd's niece. And I can breathe. Long as I'm breathing, justice will be served.
Starting point is 00:09:25 My uncle was a father, brother, uncle, and a cousin to many. Spiritually grounded, an activist. He always moved people with his words. Dear officer, show no remorse while watching my uncle's soul leave his body. Why must this system be corrupt and broken? Laws were already put in place for the African-American system to fail. These laws need to be changed. No more hate crimes, please.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Someone said make America great again, but when has America ever been great? For black people. Rest in peace, George Floyd. And Joe Biden spoke via video. Here's what he said. Why in this nation do too many black Americans wake up knowing that they can lose their life in the course of just living their life? We cannot leave this moment thinking we can once again turn away from racism that stings
Starting point is 00:10:19 at our very soul. It's about who we are, what we believe, and maybe most importantly, who we want to be. So I'm sure that all men and women are not only created equal, but are treated equally. We can heal this nation's wounds and remember its pain, not callous the heart and forget. I was surprised he didn't actually go. I was really surprised. And Reverend Al Shapton, who was there, spoke as well. All over the world, George, they're marching with your name. Even in a pandemic, people are walking out in the streets because you've touched the world. And as we lay you to rest today, the movement won't rest until we get justice, until we have one standard of justice your family's gonna miss
Starting point is 00:11:08 you george but your nation is going to always remember your name because your neck was one that represented all of us and how you suffered represented our suffering other people who were there were families of people who have loved ones that were killed by the police, like Eric Garner's mother was there, Baltham Jean's sister, the family of Pamela Turner, the father of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin's
Starting point is 00:11:36 he also recognized Trayvon Martin's mother and the father of Ahmaud Arbery. Yeah, definitely. Rest in peace, George Floyd. Alright, mom. That's your, George Floyd. All right, mom. That's your front page news. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051.
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Starting point is 00:12:11 Hello, who's this? Yo, what's going on, Envy? What's up, Trav? Good morning. Good morning, good morning. Hey. Hey, what's up, Trav? How you doing, boo? I'm good. How are you, boo? I'm doing good, I'm doing good. What's going on, Charlamagne?
Starting point is 00:12:26 What up, sis? Chilling like a villain. Chilling like a villain. Hey, man. I'm going to try to say this without bringing down a black woman, all right? But I had to get something off my chest. Somebody has to take just not that hilarious phone away from her, bro. Like, she is a bold-faced liar,
Starting point is 00:12:46 and I'm tired of it, yo. Like, the same way that we not tolerating racism anymore is the same way I'm not about to tolerate any type of discriminatory behavior from anyone, man.
Starting point is 00:12:55 She went on a rant, and in her rant, she stated that just because she called somebody a F-A-G that it shouldn't affect the entire LGBT community. And that just sounds so stupid to me because it's like if a white person calls somebody a n***a and he only means it to that one individual black person, it's going to affect everybody in the black community. So when you call a 16-year-old black man, you know, young man, a F-A-G, man, he didn't call you a n***a.
Starting point is 00:13:24 And that's just what it is. She's a bold-faced liar. That young man never called her a t***. He called her a horse-face and said that she looked like a man, and she needs to stop lying. She's a bold-faced liar, and I'm tired of her.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Cancel it. You definitely don't like just hilarious. I didn't see that transpired, so you really broke it down for me. I was going on this whole rant about, oh, y'all don't have a platform. Like, everybody that has the Instagram has a platform. Some people's platforms just happen to blow up.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Like, Jessalary, if nobody needs you, you're not a celebrity for real. Like, stop it. She is also in her 40s calling a 16-year-old a ****. Jessalary's in her 20s, crazy. I know how old she is, man. She just looks like she's in her 40s, though. See what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:04 Trav. You can't. Now you're disrespecting her. Come on, now. She just looks like she in her 40s, though. See what I'm saying? Trav. Now you disrespecting her. Come on now. No, but still, there's a difference. But so this is because I told a white woman, you look like a horse. And she called me a n***a. You're going to have a problem with this.
Starting point is 00:14:21 So have the same problem with the same people who do the same thing to black LGTB. You don't like the slurs. I don't like the slurs. And I know exactly what Billy Porter is talking about. And Charlamagne, you can sit there and act like you don't like this you don't like the slurs i don't like the slur and i know exactly what billy porter's talking about and charlamagne you can sit and act like you don't know he's talking about somehow black people are intolerant no there are some black people who literally be like oh he looks at me like this i'll kill him because he's gay that was a listen trap that was a that was a terrible analogy that he used because white supremacy is the same white supremacy is what kept gay people from getting married White supremacy is what kept gay people from getting married. White supremacy is what kept gay people from having the same rights.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Like, black people weren't doing that. He's not talking about that. Just say black people have been intolerant over gay people over the years. Don't say white supremacy, bro. Come on now. I don't say white supremacy. What I'm talking about, though, you said intolerant. No, there are some black people who just hate gay black people because they're gay.
Starting point is 00:15:09 It's not intolerance. It's called hate. But it's still not white supremacy. White supremacy is oppressing your rights and marginalizing your rights. I understand white supremacy. White supremacy, but Billy Porter did, though, is what I'm saying. That's why I said it was a bad analogy. I'm not Billy Porter.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Well, thank you, Trav, for calling in and checking in. Trav is very passionate this morning about everything. Geesh. All right. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club.
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Starting point is 00:16:37 Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement
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Starting point is 00:19:32 more and more each and every day, man. But also, man, I want to talk about this George Floyd video real quick, man. First of all, rest in peace to the brother. It's a shame that he's not here no longer, but if you peep the video, man, look at the paramedics. They don't look like regular paramedics. They didn't look like regular paramedics. They didn't even do anything that most paramedics
Starting point is 00:19:48 are supposed to do on a whole team. Yeah, I was thinking about that yesterday, too. Like, should they be charged as well? They didn't do, they didn't try to resuscitate him. They didn't give him CPR. They look kind of crazy, too. I didn't see them do anything on him. Right, that's what I'm saying. So, my concept, and I mean, not to be a conspiracy
Starting point is 00:20:03 theorist, but, like, it just looked too choreographic for me. Mm-hmm. So, like, you know, and then look where everything is at right now. Why take this one brother for everybody to just really uproar it? It seemed like a plan that everybody just followed step and fell right into place.
Starting point is 00:20:22 I think that it was a lot of different factors, man. It's a combination of a lot of things. We've been home for three months because of the coronavirus pandemic, and, you know, people have been sitting in the house. People don't have jobs right now, so they really don't have anything to do but go out there and protest, which is a great thing. And you got to think, if everybody was at work and had jobs to go to, we'd have probably forgot about George Floyd already, sadly.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I guess I can agree to disagree with you on that, but I don't know. I just feel like this becomes such more political now than ever. It is an election year. Police brutality. I mean, indeed. But it goes from police brutality to,
Starting point is 00:21:00 again, as always, black against white, black against white. Well, there are a lot of policies now that are being initiated because of what's been happening and because of bringing attention to George Floyd. Well, thank you for calling, brother. George Floyd is dead because of systemic racism. So it's not black against white.
Starting point is 00:21:18 It's us versus white supremacy. It's us versus systemic racism. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, you can hit us up. Now, we got rumors on the way, Yee? Yes, we are going to be talking about a TV show that has gotten canceled, and this show has been on the air since 1989. All right, we'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:21:49 It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Let's get to the rumors. Let's talk about a show that might never come back. It's about time. What's going on? Rumor Report. Rumor Report. This is The Rumor Report.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Talk to them. With Angela Yee on The Breakfast Club. Well, cops and some other law enforcement themed shows have been canceled. The Paramount Network has officially pulled the plug on cops. Now, cops started airing on Fox. They aired on Fox for 25 seasons, and then Spike TV started airing it in 2013. And then after that, the Paramount Network acquired the show from Spike TV. Now they are saying COPS is not on the Paramount Network
Starting point is 00:22:28 and we don't have any current or future plans for its return. The 33rd season of the show was supposed to start on Monday, but no episode has aired since June 1st. That's when obviously there's been a lot of protests against police brutality, a lot of people supporting the Black Lives Matter movement and all of that. So it originally premiered back in 1989. And right now they've been under fire for its depiction of law enforcement and for the questionable practices behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:22:56 I mean, does that mean something to people? Do folks like that as a win? We're taking cops off? I don't care about cops TV show being canceled. I care about cops being fired and brought to justice in a court of law. I care about the Justice of Policing Act, you know, that bans the type of chokeholds that killed George Floyd. I care about that because that bans no-knock warrants in cases like the one that killed Breonna Taylor. Like New York passing the Aragona Anti-Chokehold Act. I care about stuff like that. I care about Governor Cuomo pushing the pass to Amy Cooper bill, making it a hate crime to call 911 with a false accusation of racism.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Like, I don't care if the cop's TV show got canceled. That means nothing. Well, you know, another show, Live PD, which shows on A&E, also was pulled from the air. Now, what's interesting about that, I don't know if you guys have been hearing about Javier Ambler. He was a 40-year-old father of two. He was a postal worker.
Starting point is 00:23:45 And he died last year on March 28, 2019 while being arrested in Austin. And they were actually filming the live PD during that episode. I was going to say that. I was going to say with those shows, doesn't it make it good that they have people recording to see what those police
Starting point is 00:24:01 officers are actually doing? You pull those things off air, like, you know, who's taping them? There's nobody taping them. Like, don't we want to see the footage? Well, there's supposed to be body cameras and footage on the cars. But the problem is this. They're saying that a lot of times on those shows, they overreact to situations.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Like in the case of Javier Ambler, they said he was pulled over because he didn't dim his SUV headlights to oncoming traffic. He ended up getting tasered four times. And they said he was saying he has congestive heart failure. He couldn't breathe. He was crying out, save me. And then they tased him again.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah, I seen that yesterday. Yeah, and this, mind you, this happened last year in March. Yeah, I seen that yesterday. And this was all during a taping for a live PD that this happened. There were a lot of complaints from local people about how the cops were treating them because they were filming the show and they felt like some of the deputies
Starting point is 00:24:47 were filming the show and doing a lot of stuff for that. Going over and beyond for the cameras. And the way that they edited because they have full control over how they edit it
Starting point is 00:24:56 so the cops can choose how that video is edited. And so that's another issue of how people are portrayed and how the cops are portrayed on these shows. Gotcha. It's just amazing that those production companies ever thought that was entertainment.
Starting point is 00:25:09 That's why I don't look at them now and salute them or applaud them. For 25 years, you thought cops and their relationship with the community was entertainment. Now, all of a sudden, you got a heart. Get the F out of here. Now, interestingly enough, that footage that they're looking for, right? A&E has not handed over that footage. And they said that footage has been destroyed. So they said, as is the case with all footage taken by live PD producers, we no longer retain the unaired footage after learning that the investigation had concluded.
Starting point is 00:25:37 That's bull crap. Charlamagne, now, you have a production company and you film a lot. Have you ever seen anybody say, no, we destroyed the footage? I know some of these, they have footage for years. Yeah, but I don't know who has the actual rights to the footage. I don't know if there's a camera crew out there with the actual police officers. No, there's a camera crew out there with the police officers. There's an actual camera crew out there with the police officers.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Oh, so they got the footage, then? Absolutely. They definitely got the footage. And by the way, they're not going to get rid of Live PD. Live PD makes too much money. That's what I said. I don't know how cops was doing. That's what I'm saying. You said who's entertaining. People watch it.
Starting point is 00:26:13 The ratings were high as hell. Well, the host of the show tweeted out, to all of you asking whether Live PD coming back, the answer is yes. All of us associated with the show are as committed to it as ever. We are still discussing some specifics, but I want to assure the Live PD Nation that we are not abandoning you. Yeah, I wonder why those networks don't push to defund the police.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Like, why don't those networks push to, you know, get the cops that killed Breonna Taylor arrested? Like, do specials about stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Because they have those big platforms. So when you got those big platforms, use them, you know? All right, well, I'm Angela Yee, and that is your rumor report.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Alright, now we got front page news next. What are we talking about? Yes, and let's talk about what's been happening. Voting yesterday. People had to vote, and in Georgia, there were a lot of issues. Alright, we'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy.
Starting point is 00:27:04 We are The Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news. Where we starting, Yee? Well, officials in Georgia have launched an investigation into what happened yesterday during Election Day. Now, you know, what they did in Georgia was they actually have to phase out paperless voting machines by this year. So many voting issues were because of these new machines that were provided as part of a contract, a multimillion dollar contract with Dominion Voting Systems. But they're saying in some counties, people were not able to vote. As a matter of fact, Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms tweeted at one point that none of the machines
Starting point is 00:27:44 in one precinct were working. That's correct. So some people were waiting on line for up to four hours. Now, Kamala Harris also tweeted out voting machines down, limited provisional ballots, hours long lines. Voter suppression is happening right now across Georgia, particularly in black communities. We can't let this happen in November. Yeah, but why do we keep falling for the same tricks every year? Like, I keep telling y'all, how do you expect to beat Donald Trump in November
Starting point is 00:28:09 when all the same problems, all the same issues and trickery that got him in the election in 2016 are still at play this year? Possible Russian interference, voter suppression because people aren't enthused about Biden like they weren't about Hillary, and voter suppression, which we saw in Georgia again yesterday. It seems weird. It's 2020, bro. The fact that these machines, they can't get them working at this problems like it's 2020. Like this is crazy. Yeah, these are new machines. And the other issue they said were health concerns because of coronavirus. And, you know, some places because schools are closed. So they had to consolidate some of the locations where you can
Starting point is 00:28:43 go vote. They said the state has mailed absentee ballot requests also to registered voters, but not sure how that's going to play into things. So, you know, polling stations. I got my mail-in ballot yesterday for New Jersey. I do that. And then when you talk to Democrats and ask them, hmm? Are you planning to go in or do you want to mail it in? I'm probably going to go in.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Yeah, I'm going to go in too. It's based on where I live at. It's kind of simple for me to vote because it's just like this little church right up the street. Yeah, for me too. It's very simple for me, but yeah, I'm going to go in. I don't want to mail it in. It's something to get stuck in the mail. There's always been stories of you would hear people stealing the mail.
Starting point is 00:29:23 So I'm going to take my ass in. I don't trust the mail-in ballots. And then it's sad when you talk to Democrats and ask them how they're going to win in November. And they always say, well, we hope to have the largest voter turnout in American history. Well, guess what, people? Hope is not a strategy. All right? Is hope the best you can come up with?
Starting point is 00:29:40 Jesus Christ. Okay. Do you guys remember Dr. Anthony Fauci? Ha! I heard of him. Anthony Fauci? Ha! I heard of him. Who was that? Well, he's the infectious disease expert who had
Starting point is 00:29:54 previously had daily briefings about coronavirus. Well, now he is warning that coronavirus is still not over and that the nightmare pandemic isn't even close to over. He said in a period of four months it has devastated the whole world and it isn't over yet. He said there's still a world of uncertainty around the virus, how it spreads, how it impacts the body. He said coronavirus is much more complex than HIV, which is a virus he spent his career studying
Starting point is 00:30:19 because of the different levels of seriousness and infections from asymptomatic carriers to patients who end up having fatal conditions. And he said vaccines will be the only way to stop the spread of the coronavirus. And he did express confidence that there is an antidote in the works. So that is what he still had to say about coronavirus. Now, who the World Health Organization also had said that it was very rare for asymptomatic coronavirus transmissions to occur. Well, now they're walking back those comments and here's what they said. I was referring to some detailed investigations, cluster investigations,
Starting point is 00:30:54 where we had reports from member states saying that when we follow asymptomatic cases, it's very rare that we found a secondary transmission. What I didn't report yesterday was because this is a major unknown, some groups, some modeling groups have tried to estimate what is the proportion of asymptomatic people that may transmit. But some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic. I'm sick of who. I need to talk to what. Where. And why. I don't want to hear from who no more. Exactly. What are they talking
Starting point is 00:31:30 about? Why do things change all the time with them? That's why nobody cares. I don't even know what that statement said. Me neither. I don't even know what she said just now. Can I go outside? Isn't Dr. Fauci the DJ who's trying to get a packed crowd to go home? Like, he already, like, you know, when you interview a DJ,
Starting point is 00:31:47 he's trying to get us a packed crowd, and they're trying to get the people out, and nobody leaving. Nobody leaving. Guys, you got to go. People still dancing. Guys, police outside. Guys, guys. Stop playing gospel music.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Gospel music, they start dancing. Slow music, they start dancing. Lights on, guys. Lights on in the club. Be safe. This is my last song, I promise, guys. You got to leave. Yep.
Starting point is 00:32:07 That's Fauci. That's Fauci right now. We're not even paying you no attention. That is your front page news. All right. Now, when we come back, Russell Simmons will be joining us. We're going to kick it with Russell Simmons about all that's going on with him, his allegations. He has a new book and all that.
Starting point is 00:32:22 So don't move. Russell Simmons, when we return, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Ladonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. Why can't I trade my own country? My forefathers
Starting point is 00:33:00 did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together.
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Starting point is 00:34:38 called Historical Records. It's a family-friendly podcast. Yeah, you heard that right. A podcast for all ages. One you can listen to and enjoy with your kids starting on September 27th. I'm going to toss it over to the host of Historical Records, Nimany, to tell you all about it. Make sure you check it out. Hey, y'all. Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history, like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it. And it began with me. Did you know, did you know?
Starting point is 00:35:37 I wouldn't give up my seat. Nine months before Rosa, it was Claudette Colvin. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest on the line. Yes, indeed.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Uncle Russ, Russell Simmons, welcome. How you doing, bro? How are you? Well, first of all, where are you, Russ? Right now, I'm in my home in Bali. Bali. I got stuck here. You know, they caused the borders, and I got stuck, which is fine by me. So I'm still here.
Starting point is 00:36:27 I haven't been back since the middle of January. Wow. Why Bali? What's so good about Bali? What do you like about Bali? Man, it's yoga, vegan Disneyland. And also, I have work here in Asia. I have a talent agency.
Starting point is 00:36:41 It's in 13 countries, and Bali is kind of in the middle of all the countries. So it's really a great location. And it's like people come here for self-study and self-realization. And this is a place, a pilgrimage for a lot of people to come. And I think life's only goal is to know the self. What kind of self-realizations have you had? Well, it's an ongoing process. I mean, everything we do is to find the self. So whether it's through meditation or yoga or just do good deeds or any of it, you know, you move a little quicker. We're all going towards God, like it or not. And we all are discovering the self.
Starting point is 00:37:18 But the rate at which we discover the self depends on our effort. So more presence, more happiness. Well, Russ, you know, you lost your best friend recently, Andre Harrell, good friend of mine. Yeah. How did that impact you? It impacted me greatly. You know, I was in the middle of writing a book called Eat to Live, a post-pandemic lifestyle. If I can contribute something to our community, it's to support this ongoing movement
Starting point is 00:37:45 towards a more healthy diet and healthy choices. I've been a vegan for over 20 years, and the proceeds, as all of my books, the proceeds will go back into the community. And I dedicated it to Andre, who was my closest friend. And the last conversation I had with him was about his diet, and I plugged him into a doctor and 18 hours later O'Neal found him. I sent O'Neal to his house. So this broke my heart and made me even more passionate about wanting to spread this message to our community. Russ, you said that you sent O'Neal to Andre's house. What made you do that? You know, I speak to Andre, like I said, multiple times a day and myself, Tracy Mitland and another friend
Starting point is 00:38:26 of his hadn't spoken to him so i called his son and asked that he's spoken to him and all of us were concerned so we called his cousin o'neill and sent o'neill to his crib and o'neill and cassie went over there and o'neill went and found his cousin and my brother uh had passed you know um i spoke to andre too i guess they said he passed on a th, I spoke to Andre, too. I guess they said he passed on a Thursday. I spoke to him that Tuesday, and he was actually, I mean, he was speaking to me about a lot of things, but he was speaking to me about a conversation that you, him, and Maxine Waters had. That's good that you brought that up because I've been working for over 30 years on police brutality. Ever since after police came out and cop killer,
Starting point is 00:39:06 I was the one that had to make sense of those songs. I had to go to Congress, and I worked with New Orleans and Detroit and Baltimore and Philly and various different places with the Nation of Islam. I would go to the police sensitivity trainings, and those trainings were good, and the dialogue between police and community was good,
Starting point is 00:39:24 but they never really represented systematic change. And for all of this time, the one thing that was always troublesome in our policing system is that the prosecutors have never had the right to prosecute police. And so when they talk about police reform, and I'm excited that they have now a bill that they just introduced. That's exciting. But when I watch the news, we don't talk as much about that prosecution point because police accountability is the core of this discussion. How involved are you still in NYC politics? Not so much. I mean, you know, I'm very concerned and excited at the same time about how this bill goes. And see, young people brought us to a point we wouldn't even believe we got here.
Starting point is 00:40:09 They got out in the street. They're dedicated to change. And what we need now is to make sure the steering committees, you know what I mean, whoever they are, people like you, you know, leaders of young people, get them on a page to push for the change that they really need and not to make a choice for them, but to present them with the options. So if young people continue to push and they know what they're pushing for, like that bill that the Black Caucus introduced yesterday, then we will see some real systematic change, and it's the beginning of something new.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Yeah, the Justice Policing Act of 2020. Now, Russell, I want you to do a grounding before we get into this next line of questioning. Do a grounding. Okay. I'll grab it. Now, have you watched On the Record on HBO? I have not watched it, but I'm aware.
Starting point is 00:40:53 You know, when I first heard about this documentary, I was thrilled to know that Oprah was involved. Really? Because I thought and I told many people it was impossible for her to go forward. But let me back up, because it's something I have to say that's much more important.
Starting point is 00:41:07 I'm guilty of having underwritten, supported, made the soundtrack for, taken advantage of, and lived in a grossly unjust society. So I know what I'm guilty of, and I've been unconscious as a playboy, and today the title is Appropriate Womanizing. And, you know, back then I thought it was a game. I dated, if you remember the 80s, and you must remember Robin Givens. And I had a crush on, I had a great relationship with Ray
Starting point is 00:41:37 Don Chong. And I fell in love with Troy Byer. I dated Sherry Headley from Coming to America. I went out with Stacey Dash. There were no black actresses that I didn't date. They're my friends today. Also the Dutch and German and French and Angolan and Tanzanian and South African supermodels. I went out every night and I looked for new girls to date. And almost all of them are my friends today. And they don't have the experience of me being the monster that the movie makes me to be so i was thrilled that oprah took on this movie and i said it's absolutely no way she's going to go forward when i present her with 30 witnesses or so who came forward after
Starting point is 00:42:17 they saw their friends and children and parishioners on television and And so I felt very confident she'd walk away. She walked away and she did say that the stories had inconsistencies. Not one, but all stories. All three girls who were to leave. The stories should not have been printed based on the information I've given. And NBC, New York Magazine, CNN,
Starting point is 00:42:42 and many people have passed on those stories. And finally, Oprah and Apple. So I'm sorry that the movie is out, but at the same time, I'm glad they had their moment to say what they wanted to say. I can never say that someone doesn't feel victimized. I can tell you that I don't feel that I victimize them. And how can I say that? I took nine separate three-hour lie detector tests. They're available to you. And I just wanted to say that. And I don't know what else to say,
Starting point is 00:43:10 except I feel terrible about the women who may have felt victimized. I am certainly not a monster or a victimizer. What do you say to your daughters? Because I've seen your daughters defend you. You have two lovely daughters. What do you tell your daughters at a time like this? We've lived in a very toxic masculine society. But I tell them also, as a person who studies this eminent rise of the divine feminine, which is happening in us and around us as men. That's right. The inclusivity that we need for women going forward is critical to the survival of the planet.
Starting point is 00:43:43 That women have to take their rightful place in leadership and there's roles that are more meaningful so that we can survive. All right, we got more with Russell Simmons when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Russell Simmons. Yee. Russell, how many women have come forward at this point and
Starting point is 00:44:05 accused you of sexual assault? Six or seven. I noticed that when Les Moonves or someone like that was accused, they didn't say that the girl you spoke poorly to was a number because he had 30 of them. They didn't say that in a yoga class that you were adjusting somebody. It looked like
Starting point is 00:44:22 you might have been wrong, but it wasn't a girl. It was another girl watching, and they made that a number. When my story came, there were 25 white men. I was the only man of color. They spent a lot of money digging into my past. But did they do that for the famous rock stars? I hung out with Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler and many, many rock stars. The misunderstandings that I refer to and the
Starting point is 00:44:45 insensitivity that I might have exuded at that time was kind of typical of the time. I'm a unlikely ally. I've always been a supporter of the women's movement. And I believe that what's happened in Me Too is fantastic and will continue to open more doors for women and change the relationship between men and women so we have a balance. You know, Russ, when you talk about misunderstandings, because, you know, you're a totally different person back then. When you're a powerful man and you have women working for you in the industry, you know, if you do, you know, push up on them with some type of sexual advance, sometimes women feel like they can't say no. Do you ever think you put a woman in that situation? Back then, I didn't date the woman in the office. I only have one person who ever asked for her expenses. And then one year later, sued me. I have no sexual
Starting point is 00:45:38 misconduct of any kind in Def Jam's whole history, except the one who's the lead in this movie. But back then, it was pretty normal to have relationships in the office. But I was never interested because, again, it was those actresses I named and all the supermodels. And I was much more interested in what was outside my office. I had a president who was a woman. I had a president of promotion who was a woman.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I had a president of A&R who was a woman. And I had a president of marketing. At one time. I had a president of A&R who was a woman. And I had a president of marketing. At one time, there's a picture that I have that I pried in in 1992. It was the women of Def Jam. And so we had all women running Def Jam, you know, and they were my partners and friends. And we went to work every day together and we enjoyed a lot of success during that time. What I really want is healing. And I want anyone who feels violated to know how deeply sorry I am, especially what I said about Jane Lumet. I told Oprah, you will find that the three leads in your movie are absolutely not credible.
Starting point is 00:46:35 And there's no way you're going to make this movie. But I told her then, there's a story that broke my heart with Jane Lumet's story. And when I read it, it made me cry. A week later, she told me Jenny was in the movie. I haven't seen the movie. But I understand that story breaks my heart. And it's a story of I got in the car and I was afraid. And I listened to it and I realized that I was perhaps insensitive. But what I wasn't at the time was a mind reader. You know, Russ, back in the day, you was on cocaine. You was drunk. All of y'all were on
Starting point is 00:47:08 cocaine. It was the 80s, early 90s. Is there any way you could have misconstrued these sexual experiences or even they could have misconstrued the sexual experiences? Yeah. No, I'm not saying, listen, absolutely. There's a way that some of these experiences, except that I was sober by 90. So I'm going to say that. So yes, of course, I took a lot of drugs. We were all high. Also, you could have been paranoid when you got in the car and the car door locked, you know, and you did exactly what he said, because you didn't want, for fear he might turn violent. You know, when they read that story, it breaks my heart. Like, yes, I could have been high and insensitive and unconsciously
Starting point is 00:47:45 callous. But I never, ever felt that I hurt anyone. And even then, with all the drugs, I didn't have a violent vote in my body. The misconstrued relationships, I believe, is probably something that not only should we explore in my case, but we should understand that going forward, there's a new sensitivity that men should gain. And 30 years ago, it was different. Do you feel like it has tarnished your legacy at all? You know, I'm less concerned with my legacy today than I am concerned with what I can do going forward to help the community. I feel like what's happening now, my voice has been muted to some degree. And this is exactly the kind of place where my voice is
Starting point is 00:48:33 useful, at least in my own ego, I believe I should be useful. Whether it's the health in the community that I talk about, and the diet I want to continue to promote, I believe in the equality of women and black people. And I've always fought for those two things. And I was there fighting for equal pay for women 25 years ago. And I've spoke at the Women's March. And I believe in the next steps that can take it to be inclusive. You know, one thing about the divine masculine and the divine feminine, the divine masculine, well, not even the divine masculine, the masculine is never aware of our toxic behavior. The divine masculine is aware of the toxic masculinity, but when we're in that toxic state, we're not aware. So can you understand why the women who spoke out against you probably felt like they needed to?
Starting point is 00:49:21 Well, I can understand why some of them did. I do absolutely understand that all the relationships I've had, that some have gone wrong and that some women feel victimized, and I certainly believe them in them cases. What would you say to these women if they were in front of you now? What would you say to them, if anything? Well, I would say I love you, and I know that in some cases hurt people hurt people. I don't want to re-victimize or I don't think we should.
Starting point is 00:49:47 I really don't believe we should be re-litigating 30-year-old stories that have never been told. Celebrities have big voices. Something happens to a celebrity, everyone relates to it. And so as part of furthering a great agenda, there may be some collateral damage. I wouldn't say this to those women, but I would say to those women in cases where, like a Jane LeMet, I'm so sorry. I never knew you felt this way. I spoke to you 20 times after. I had dinner with Drew Dixon a week after she settled her suit and asked for her expenses. I didn't know you felt this way. So some of these people who I saw over the years so many,
Starting point is 00:50:25 many times who never expressed this to me, it breaks my heart to hear their stories. What about people who say you left for Bali to avoid criminal charges? There's no, I don't have any civil or criminal charges. I'm back and forth to LA. I was in LA in December, in November, and in New York in December, I went to, took my kids away. I came back. I spent the first two weeks in January. I'm here now stuck when the borders are opening in the next few days. And I'm back and forth 15 times. So that's just not true.
Starting point is 00:50:58 You know, that's interesting because I see a lot of people going in on the women and saying that they're liars. They're doing this for money. So there is no civil case or criminal case pending. There was a civil case that 31 years ago, I don't want to talk about her history or what she said, a woman who I've never met
Starting point is 00:51:16 who wants $10 million. It'll be, I mean, I'm sure. So that's a civil case, but that's it. And the judge will throw that out. Two years statute of limitations. So, no, I didn't escape anything. I came to Bali because my school, Tantris, was having a teacher training. And I was going to go either to India, to an ashram, or to Bali to get out of the media.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And I came back home, and I went back, and back home, back and forth. The fifth time I got here, I started to build a house. As a woman, I know it's really difficult for women to speak up when they feel like something's happened, especially when it involves a celebrity, just because of the level of people who are going to say, oh, she's lying, she wants attention, and even just the threat of not even being able to work in this industry anymore.
Starting point is 00:52:02 So what do you think is the motivation for these women to come forward and make these accusations? I don't think it's for me to say the motivation. There's a lot of psychological profiles and there's studies. And lots of people want relevance. And I'm not suggesting that people want to be famous or want money. But you can make that assumption if you like,
Starting point is 00:52:30 that some people may want to be famous and even infamous. And I don't want to, you know, you can, what I'd like for you to do, maybe, if you're interested, is read some of the stories written by the black investigative journalists and then call the witnesses yourselves. Call their parents. Alright, well don't move. We got more with Russell Simmons when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:52:54 E.J. Envy Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Russell Simmons. Charlamagne? Did Oprah or Gayle reach out to you? Did Oprah reach out to you? Did Oprah reach out to you? I don't want to say too much about Oprah, but I will say that the minute I knew that she was involved in the documentary,
Starting point is 00:53:11 I felt that she was my savior. She's going to walk away and tell the world why, because she was interested in the truth. She called, of the 30 witnesses, none of whom appear in the movie, 30 witnesses that I gave to the producers, they wanted to interview me, but they didn't want to interview the 30 witnesses.
Starting point is 00:53:27 You know what's interesting? It is a yogi thing, because I haven't heard you call these women a liar. I don't want to promote anything negative, and I don't want to get in the mud with the accusers. The only reason I gave them 30 witnesses against the three leads in the movie is because I have daughters.
Starting point is 00:53:44 The only reason I took nine lie detector tests is I took those tests and didn't give them to anybody. I did those for my daughters. So whatever I did unintentionally, I believe the women and I believe me in some cases. I believe Jane Lumet. That's who I believe. She said she thought I might turn violent.
Starting point is 00:54:02 She said she was fearful and did what I said. I didn't know. And I never heard from her that this is how she felt. And when I read the story, it brought me to tears. So I'm getting the feeling that you know you were a s***ty person, but you weren't a rapist. That's what you're... I was a horrible person. I mean, not horrible. We didn't know
Starting point is 00:54:19 any better. I'll just tell you, I was just watching Boomerang, and this is honest. I just watched Boomerang. You know, I went out. I had more foursomes than most guys had one girl. If I had a nickel for every girl who didn't get what they deserved out of our relationships, I'd be Richard and Puffy or something. So I disappoint a lot of people, and I hurt some people. But I'm not a rapist, and I'm not violent, and I've never been violent.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I've never heard this characterization of me as this monster. So hearing it at 60, it broke my heart. It was one of the most traumatizing experiences, maybe the most traumatizing experience of my life. And I deeply regret for those women who feel victimized. And I don't know how else I can do, but just maybe try to make it right by being part of the shift in consciousness that will
Starting point is 00:55:07 be more inclusive. Yeah, I want to ask about that when it comes to hip-hop because, you know, hip-hop, you know, how does hip-hop come to a reckoning about the way we did, used to treat women? Because it was toxic, you know, the music and the culture, it was rape culture. And still do. Still do, not just did, but...
Starting point is 00:55:23 No, it was way worse, though. But it's still bad. It was pretty bad. It was way worse back then. We talked to women violently, pouring drinks on them. It's a lie to act like hip-hop wasn't that way. So how do we deal with that? No, no, no. We were... Listen. But thousands of years...
Starting point is 00:55:39 I don't want us to make this about what black people did when I hung out with the rock stars. And I saw them. Yeah, America. And they got stories on stories on stories. Nobody investigated. I'm not asking anybody to re-litigate their lives either. But these
Starting point is 00:55:55 women who wrote these stories, who grew up, you know, perhaps even almost my age, rock stars were not so good. White men, that's why it was all white men and me. They called everybody. Alison Williams told me, I did her radio show yesterday. She told me that she got four or five calls and people would say things like, if you just tell your story, you'll help your sisters. I produced Just Call My Name in 1984, the record. And I produced I Need
Starting point is 00:56:23 Your Love and other stuff with Allison over the years. And she's told me how many times she got called. Everybody I know has gotten called. So I told a woman, because I wrote my life story too, I didn't put it out, and there's a chapter called The Awakening, right? And what I've learned in this experience.
Starting point is 00:56:40 And I was telling a publisher about my history and how I felt somewhat like a victim. And then I thought, you know, I don't like saying that because I have mixed feelings about it. She said, women have been sitting on it for thousands of years. Just sit on it. And I do want to say, though, I can never judge how somebody would treat somebody else just because of how they treated me.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Because I know there's people who have done things to other people. Just because they treated me well doesn't mean that they didn't do something else. So I don't like to categorize, well, this didn't, I didn't do this to this person. So how could I have done that? You know, and I certainly am not saying that I'm telling you that lies, but I mentioned all the famous or all the women I've dated over the years. And I mentioned what they think about me. They don't think I'm capable of being a monster. And I just say that because it is, it does matter that you've
Starting point is 00:57:25 had so many compromises. And character witness matter a little bit. But the 30 witnesses I gave were not character witnesses. They were there at every stage. And they heard different stories over these 30 or 40 years. So they've heard it differently. Yeah, I've got three more questions because there's been women with famous voices who said things like Russell has said inappropriate things to me. Like Amanda Seale said, Russell said inappropriate things to me. I've heard, you know, other women say that. You said inappropriate things to them. Look, I'm a deaf comedy jam man.
Starting point is 00:57:55 I got a dirty mouth and I've been inappropriate my whole life. I've been inappropriate and times unconsciously callous. Never intentionally callous, ever. I've never been violent. I've never been violent. I've never been a rapist. So I've been a lot of things, but I certainly never, ever intended to hurt anyone. And I don't believe that the net effect of my work
Starting point is 00:58:17 would be judged as hurtful, but there are people who could have misconstrued and then they could then think that. But were there a camera in the room, no one would say that I was intentionally hurtful. Okay, and I want you to answer these two more questions, because I don't know if I got an answer. America, how do we deal with the sh**ty behavior that we used to display as men? Because I feel like the same way white people got to atone for racism,
Starting point is 00:58:44 men, we got to atone for racism, men, we got to atone for our bull. How do we do that? I think that we should be aware as we are more now. I don't not only because we're threatened men in Hollywood afraid to come out the office. They don't know what's going to happen, what they did, what they might get accused of. That's one thing. And that's good because it's a wake up call. But the bridge building and the shift in consciousness, how do we hire women? How do we empower women? What roles can we find for them that they really suit and would make us and our companies better? And I want to support the growth of women in industry, and I want to
Starting point is 00:59:17 support the growth of women in general. And include women in the conversation. When you want to say, what can we do for women? Let them also let you know what can be done for us to feel more empowered and for us to be able to express ourselves in the environment and have equality. And you can do that financially, too, with equal pay for women for the same jobs that men do also. Do you feel like a lot of people are pointing fingers and not necessarily, because, you know, you talk about all the things that you've done in your in your career you know go to congress you've hired all these women do you feel like people are losing sight of all the things that you did do because of what you know listen i told myself when i couldn't make sense of this and in my meditation i realized it
Starting point is 01:00:00 was a karmic effect for having been a die**ty guy, for having been a womanizer. So I don't really face heavy, oh, I lost all my five charities. I lost so many executives. Some are still on the payroll, but I had to lose all my companies and all my charities. I lost my company that was all based on advertising. I lost $30 million. I don't have a lot of money.
Starting point is 01:00:23 I don't need money. I'm a billionaire, and God's's got me and I will rebuild. This is my final question, man. Eckhart Tolle. Eckhart Tolle said, life will give you whatever experience is most helpful for the evolution of your consciousness. How do you know this is the experience you need?
Starting point is 01:00:39 Because this is the experience you are having at the moment. With that said, how is your consciousness elevated because of everything you've been going through? Everything. I feel like God has given me a chance to speed up my evolution. I feel like I'm where God wants me. And I feel like I can be useful. And I read that book. It was the first time I truly understood yoga.
Starting point is 01:01:03 This idea of awareness and presence. After reading all the yoga sutras and scriptures, I read that book, The Power of Now, and he really helped me quite a bit to intellectualize, at least, or to understand what we all do everything for. So I'm
Starting point is 01:01:19 deeply appreciative of that book. I don't know if you know, I gave Oprah that book. No one had ever heard of it. I read that book and it changed my life. Thank you, man. We appreciate you. Thank you so much. Always a pleasure
Starting point is 01:01:31 talking to you on and off air, man. I love you. I love you. God bless you. Thank you so much for having me on. And thank you, Angela.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Thank you, Russell. All right. Thank you, Russell. See you. Russell Simmons. She's spilling the tea. This is Russell. Russell Simmons. This is the rumor report with Angela Yee on the Breakfast Club. Yes so James Dolan as you know this has been an ongoing thing as people feel like he should have made a statement and allegedly some of the New York Knicks players and people that work at the franchise are very upset that there's been no statement. Well, originally, James Dolan sent out an email to employees
Starting point is 01:02:09 explaining that we are not any more qualified than anyone else to offer our opinion on social matters. And that email was leaked publicly. And then he had to put out a second email where he condemned racism in stronger terms. But again, this was not anything that was released publicly. Well, now the NYX Instagram account does have a statement, and that statement is, every one of us has a role to play in creating a just and equal society where there is no racism, bigotry,
Starting point is 01:02:36 violence, or hate. We stand for all who act for positive change. Somebody tell the NYX just post a black box, yo. Just post a black box. Yeah, and so that was that. I saw Desus wrote, defund the Knicks.
Starting point is 01:02:53 But, um... Drop on a goosebumps for Desus. That's just disappointing. Well, according to Jalen and Jacoby, they've been making more... The value of the Knicks have gone up every single year. Yeah, people still go to the games.
Starting point is 01:03:08 I don't know why, but they still go to the games. I'm talking about the funded as far as players. Our roster is trash. Yeah, nobody wants to play for the Knicks. It sucks. All right, now the CrossFit CEO has resigned. We told you about all the backlash that CEO Greg Glassman actually had received. And he's also the founder. Well, he has officially stepped down as head of the company. And that's for a
Starting point is 01:03:29 couple of different things. You know, there were some comments that he made in a company Zoom call. He said, we're not mourning for George Floyd. And in addition to that, he had a very rude joke that he made on social media where, you know, he was just mocking the death of George Floyd. Well, now he has stepped down and he'll be replaced by Dave Castro. A lot of people have disassociated themselves from the company, re-boxed their ties with CrossFit right after Glassman posted that tweet that was very offensive to people. And in addition, they said he also sent out derogatory and offensive emails to gym owner
Starting point is 01:04:06 Alyssa Royce so he's gone all right Damian Lillard has also put out a powerful spoken word it's called blacklist and this is honoring George Floyd and other police brutality victims here's a portion of that I feel the tension rising 1950 how divided. And I ain't even tripping on how the season decided. Racism pandemic is years ahead of the virus. Really mean it, but they gonna try to play us as tyrants. Look, Ali wasn't the greatest just because his hands work. Frontline for his people, this was a man's work. Before he let the black people down, he let the fans hurt. So if the stars is aligned, that mean it can work. Don't need approval. I always been doing God's work. The whole thing. Shout to Damian Lillard.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Yes, the whole track, Blacklist, is nearly three minutes, and it's on his SoundCloud. So that was him, a portion of him just expressing everything, and I encourage everybody to go listen to that. You know, he goes by Dame Dala, and he's an artist. Damian Lillard is really nice. He's a dope rapper. He's really good at basketball, and Dame Dala is really good at rap as well.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Yes, he is. All right, B. Simone. Now, some people have some things to say about comments that she made on Nick Cannon's show where she talks about her dating life and what her deal breakers are in a relationship. Here's what she had to say. Tall, older.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Older? What's the age? Older. He can't have a 9 to 5. Why not? You don't want him to have an honest job? He could be a hustling entrepreneur. So you want him to be a, you want CEO status? Yes. Okay, he can't clock in and clock out. Damn, be some more.
Starting point is 01:05:53 I think entrepreneurs should date entrepreneurs. All right, so she doesn't want to date somebody with a 9 to 5. Here's what else she had to say to Nick Cannon. Everything I have, my dream career, I manifested it. I'm trying to manifest the husband. Ain't nothing wrong with a 9 to 5. I get it. They work hard.
Starting point is 01:06:08 I used to have a 9 to 5. Nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong. I need an entrepreneur. I need somebody that understands my mindset. Somebody that has the same lifestyle. It has to do with money. Everything to do with lifestyle.
Starting point is 01:06:17 When I'm in the bed at 3 a.m. checking emails. What you doing, babe? Working. What you doing? Working. Okay. Love you. You want to have a flight tomorrow?
Starting point is 01:06:25 I have a meeting out of town. You want to go? You got to go. Let's go. You understand my life. So people definitely react to this on social media. What do you think about it? I mean, I don't understand it.
Starting point is 01:06:36 I don't get it. There's nothing wrong with somebody working a nine to five, but everything is in preference. If that's what she prefers, that's what she prefers. I don't see anything wrong with anybody having a 9 to 5 and working. I would be upset. I would be upset if I wanted to date B. Simone and I was furloughed or fired from my 9 to 5. That would make me feel a way.
Starting point is 01:06:57 I don't understand why she's 9 to 5 shaming people. What's wrong with having a job? Yeah, I don't know. And a lot of times people do have a 9 to 5 and make way more money than entrepreneurs do or can be even, you know, some entrepreneurs, just because you're an entrepreneur doesn't mean that you're A, successful or B, super motivated
Starting point is 01:07:14 either. Correct. Anybody calls themselves an entrepreneur nowadays. And that's our preference and she's entitled to our preference, but I just don't understand. What's the problem with somebody having a 9 to 5 job? I don't understand. 9 to the problem with somebody having a 9-to-5 job? I don't understand. 9-to-5 jobs make great money.
Starting point is 01:07:29 And even if they don't make great money, if you're making a living, be happy. Like, that's what I care about. What if you have a 9-to-5 and you're an entrepreneur? Then does that count? You can do both. You should be doing both. There's 168 hours in a week. So once you do your 9-to-5, you should be putting some money towards, you know,
Starting point is 01:07:45 whatever your entrepreneurial dreams are. But I just don't see the point of shaming somebody with a nine to five. Like, there's nothing wrong with a nine to five job. Jobs are good people. You know how you know they're good? Because there's 40 million people right now, 40 plus million people who don't have one, and they would gladly take one of those nine to five jobs
Starting point is 01:08:01 and eat food on their goddamn table. So I don't know what job you're talking about. So you want to call somebody your daddy? Huh? No, she's talking about other game dash. Game dash. I was like, what? Just came out the blue. A job is a job.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Sleuth to everybody out there who has a job right now. You are blessed. And trust me, it's 40 plus million people out there who wish they had a job. Well, maybe they don't, though, because that unemployment is booming. The people that can get it. Because 44% of those people can't get the unemployment. And there's people who have 9 to 5s that are actually doing that because they're
Starting point is 01:08:31 hustling to actually start their own business, too. You know, in order to own a Chick-fil-A, you have to work there. Absolutely. Ain't nothing wrong with a 9 to 5. Nothing. Nothing wrong with a 9 to 5. Alright, well, I'm Angela Yee, and that's your Rumor Report. Alright, Charlamagne, who you giving that donkey to? You know, I'm Angela Yee, and that's your rumor report. All right. Charlamagne, who are you giving that donkey to?
Starting point is 01:08:49 You know, we need the New York, what's his title? New York Police Union President Michael Mara to come to the front of the congregation. We'd like to have a whirl with him. All right. We'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 01:09:00 Charlamagne, say the gang donkey. Charlamagne. You are a donkey. It's time for Donkey of the Day. Donkey of the Day. Tell him, man. You are a donkey. It's time for Donkey of the Day. Donkey of the Day does not discriminate. I might not have the song of the day, but I got the donkey of the day. So if you ever feel I need to be a donkey, man, hit it with the heat. It's a breakfast club, bitch.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Who's Donkey of the Day today? Donkey of the Day for Wednesday, June 10th goes to New York Police Union President Michael Mara. Now, we all know that people's worldview is based off their own personal experiences. We all see things differently, even if we are looking at the same thing. We all feel things differently, even if we are experiencing the same thing. We all hear and comprehend things differently, even if we are listening to the same thing. That's just the world we live in. I try to be tolerant of people's worldview. No, tolerant isn't the right word.
Starting point is 01:09:49 I try to be indifferent about people's worldview. I scribe, keyword scribe, because I definitely don't always get that right. I scribe to be indifferent of people's worldview because unless someone's worldview is actually dangerous to my and others' existence, I don't feel the need to challenge it. That's just how they feel. That's just how they see things. There lies the
Starting point is 01:10:10 problem with a lot of folks, though. You know, worldviews are dangerous. A lot of folks' worldview actually causes harm and danger to others. And that's exactly where we are with Michael Mara. Now, of course, you know, it's been protests in New York City in regards to the death of George Floyd. NYPD has a long history of police brutality
Starting point is 01:10:25 and police killings. Sean Bell, Amadou Diallo, Eric Garner, just to name a few. You got cops like Francisco Garcia. Do y'all remember him? He kind of went under the rug, right? Remember he tased and punched that young man a few weeks back? He's been named in seven lawsuits settled by New York City police for $210,000. Literally, before the protest, we were complaining about the NYPD and how they were going through black and brown neighborhoods, putting hands on people who weren't social distancing, but treating white folks with the utmost respect. Since then, anybody with an Instagram or a Facebook can see videos of police being violent towards protesters. Okay, it didn't stop. All right. It actually got worse. We've seen them shove protesters. We've
Starting point is 01:11:04 seen them pepper spray peaceful protesters. We've seen them beaten delivery guys with nightsticks. We've seen them drive a police vehicle into a crowd of protesters in Brooklyn. OK, I haven't heard any officer apologize or say that was wrong. Not saying it hasn't happened. I just haven't heard it publicly. OK, I haven't seen it. Hell, Mayor de Blasio defended it. He said, and I quote, if a police officer is in that situation, they have to get out of that situation. End quote. De Blasio sounds like Marshawn Lynch saying he got to run through a mother effer's face. Okay. If you got to run through a mother effer's face, run through that
Starting point is 01:11:37 face. All right. When you hear the mayor say that, when you hear the celebrity and chief Donald J. Trump say things like he said yesterday, the 75 year old man who got pushed to the ground, skull cracked open was a setup from Antifa. When you hear stuff like that, you realize how deep the corruption goes in these police departments and you realize why nothing ever changes. If the mayor don't care, if the celebrity in chief, the president don't care, why would these cops ever care? They're not being held accountable because the people in charge don't hold them accountable. Now, would you like to
Starting point is 01:12:08 hear what New York Police Union President Michael Mara said yesterday? Let's hear it. Stop treating us like animals and bugs and start treating us with some respect. We've been left out of the conversation. We've been vilified. It's disgusting. Trying to make us embarrassed of our profession. 375 million interactions. Overwhelmingly positive. Nobody talks about all the police officers that were killed in the last week in the United States of America. And there were a number of them. We don't condone Minneapolis. We roundly reject what he did as disgusting. It's not what we do. It's not what police officers do.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Our legislators abandoned us. The press is vilifying us. Well, you know what, guys? I'm proud to be a cop. And I'm going to continue to be proud to be a cop until the day I retire. O'Mara said police officers have been left out of the discussion. No, you guys are the discussion. All right. This is actually all about you and the way you treat citizens of this country. In fact, if police weren't out here killing on black and brown folks, you know, killing on white folks, if they weren't out here pushing 75 year old men to the
Starting point is 01:13:20 ground and slamming women on their faces in mall parking lots, then we wouldn't be here. Okay. Mike, have you seen the same videos I've seen? I'm starting to think there really is a whole different Instagram and Twitter. I don't have access to, because you want people to stop treating cops like animals and thugs. When the reality is y'all the ones acting like the animals and thugs, you want people to start treating cops with some respect. Well, respect is a two-way street. If you want to get it, you've got to give it. Okay, I believe in that quote, but not in regards to the police because you can listen to the police, be courteous to the police, be respectful to the police, and cops will still be the holes of an ass.
Starting point is 01:13:58 I had to say it like that because you can't say a**holes on the radio for some reason. But my point is, Mike O'Mara, you said you don't condone what happened in Minneapolis with George Floyd. But how do you feel about what happens right here in New York? How do you feel about the NYPD? We don't have to leave this city. Do you think cops driving a police SUV into a crowd of protesters,
Starting point is 01:14:18 is that the respect you're talking about? Is the way Francisco Garcia handles people when he tases them and punches them, is that the respect you want from us? I mean, we are only giving back what we are receiving. And Mike says 375 million interactions between officers and the public, and all of them were peaceful. A majority of them were peaceful.
Starting point is 01:14:38 I don't remember how he said it, but I just want to know, why is there 375 million interactions? And who keeps counting that kind of stuff? Why is there more interactions with officers in the public than there is actual people in America? I know for a fact the public isn't coming up to the cops, you know, asking them what they smoking. You know, I know the public isn't pulling over cops for any reason, you know, so why is it so many interactions? Anyway, the moral of the story is this. We don't care, we don't care, we don't care.
Starting point is 01:15:09 Okay? Y'all gonna stop killing people and beating people up for no reason. We are gonna continue to push for legislation like the Justice in Policing Act of 2020 that bans the type of chokeholds that killed George Floyd, that bans no-knock warrants in drug cases
Starting point is 01:15:24 so the likelihood of situations like the ones that killed Breonna Taylor don't happen. New York passed the Eric Garner Anti-Chokehold Act, making it a felony to injure or kill using a chokehold like the one that killed Eric Garner. We are going to continue to push for those types of things, and if that is what you call treating cops like thugs and animals, if that's what you call treating cops with no respect, then so be it. Okay, if you can live with cops like Francisco Garcia, if you can live with cops driving trucks through crowds of peaceful protesters,
Starting point is 01:15:54 then we the people can live with you being mad simply because, finally, for the first time ever that I can remember, cops are being held accountable for their BS. Please let Remy Ma give New York Police Union President Michael Mara the biggest hee-haw. Hee-haw! Hee-haw! You stupid mother
Starting point is 01:16:15 are you dumb? Alright. Well, thank you for that donkey today, Charlemagne. Now, when we come back, yesterday, Angela Yee and Angie Martinez got a chance to speak with Breonna Taylor's mom, Tamika Palmer. So they're going to talk to her when we come back. So don't move. Very serious.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Very powerful. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne Nagao. We are The Breakfast Club. Now, Angela Yee and Angie Martinez got a chance to speak with Breonna Taylor's mom, Tamika Palmer, yesterday.
Starting point is 01:16:56 Yes, and it was really important and powerful that we do something like that because Breonna Taylor, everybody's been saying her name. Her 27th birthday would have been on Friday, but a lot of people don't know the details of how she was killed by police officers and just what Breonna Taylor's mom, Tamika Palmer, was dealing with after her daughter was murdered by the police. So let's get into the interview now. One of the reasons I really wanted Angela and I to do this together is because I was really, you know, and I really think about it until Lenita and Tamika Mallory, who were on the call, shared with us that sometimes getting justice for women seems harder to get people's attention and get people organized and
Starting point is 01:17:30 get people riled up. And that really disturbed me. We were on a group full of incredible women. Each person on that Zoom vowed to be committed to getting Breonna's story out there and to getting people to understand that something actually can be done and needs to be done. And Angela and I were just part of a large group of women who also made that commitment. And we thought that together that we could use both of our platforms to help get Breonna's story out.
Starting point is 01:17:56 And the hashtag has been trending and everybody knows what happened. But I would love to hear from you, Tamika, exactly what happened to your daughter. She was killed by Louisville Metro Police Department. Friday, March the 13th, they went into her home for a warrant or something or another. Did not announce themselves.
Starting point is 01:18:21 Scared the crap out of her and her boyfriend, who apparently let off a shot and then they proceeded to shoot 20 something times into the home and shot her eight times. Okay, so the reason why they went into Brianna's home was they said they were looking for somebody who didn't even live at that address who was allegedly selling drugs out of the house and that person had already been in custody. Right. Prior to them even entering the home. Exactly. We hear conflicting stories about whether he actually lived there at some point or he used to live there. You actually told us that that's not true at all. Yeah, he's never lived there. And they had what was called a no-knock warrant. So can you break down what is a no-knock warrant?
Starting point is 01:19:07 Because this was my first time hearing about this, too. I didn't know you could just barge into somebody's house, break down the door, and not even announce yourselves. And there are some discrepancies on whether or not the police announced that they were there, announced that they had a warrant, or if they just broke in. Because apparently, both Breonna and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, thought that somebody was breaking into their home. And he was a licensed gun owner and did fire at the police because he thought that somebody was breaking in, correct? Correct. He fired at the police. He also called the police because he did not know that these were police officers coming into the home.
Starting point is 01:19:45 So apparently, like you said, there's no knock there. They can come there, bust down the door, and just come in. They hit the door with a battering ram. Several times, Breonna and Kenny both were screaming, who is it? Who's at the door? They never announced themselves. But when they first released their story, they said that they announced themselves. But yeah, first released their story, they said that they announced themselves.
Starting point is 01:20:05 But yeah, Kenny, several neighbors, no one heard them announce themselves. Right. And so what was even more shocking to me was that Kenneth was actually charged with shooting a police officer. Was it attempted murder that he was charged with at first? Yes, ma'am. I just want to set the scene because hearing the story from you personally really changed some of the perspective I had. Well, not that I had any other perspective, except that justice should be done for Brianna, but it just really, I really understood the moment and how it happened that this young girl, this seemingly amazing girl who had a career in help
Starting point is 01:20:40 to help people. Clearly she cared about people. people. She was a healthcare provider. She was an EMT worker, was home minding her business in her own apartment, and somebody bust into her house. And from what I'm understanding, even though the police say that they announced themselves, this is a small apartment, correct? This is a complex where if there was police activity, a neighbor, somebody in the hallway. I mean, is it the type of apartment where you hear your neighbors? Yeah, there's not a hallway. Each person has their own door.
Starting point is 01:21:17 But it's a very small square there that you go in to get into these eight. There's eight apartments in each building. So, yeah, you absolutely will hear somebody out there. So any of the neighbors will tell you she's pretty quiet. They never really ever heard her. You know, they saw her coming and going to work or, you know, coming and going with her other daughter, which is her little sister. They never really made a lot of noise. So to hear all of this stuff going on would alarm people. Have these police officers been charged with anything yet?
Starting point is 01:21:48 No. No, they haven't been charged. They haven't even been fired. No, they're on administrative leave, so they're still being paid by the police department. And what's shocking is this happened March 13th. Yes. Yeah, one of the saddest things that I learned from you, Tamika, on the phone yesterday, and I heard you say also at one of the protests, was that you have felt alone for quite a while. Like, people are stepping up now and really demanding justice and really inspired by some of the other things that are happening in this country that people are like, okay, let's focus on Breonna now.
Starting point is 01:22:18 But you have been fighting this fight since the day you lost your daughter. Absolutely. And I felt alone because, you know, you hear these different stories all the time. The police go in, it's a raid going bad. People are shooting. So you think these people were selling drugs and shot at the police. So people kind of moved on when, in fact,
Starting point is 01:22:40 that wasn't the case at all. Hi, we have more with Tamika Palmer, which is Breonna Taylor's mom, and Angie Martinez and Yee. When we come back, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy.
Starting point is 01:22:53 We are The Breakfast Club. Now, if you just joined us, Angie Martinez and Angela Yee had a chance to speak with Tamika Palmer yesterday. That's Breonna Taylor's mom. So let's get back into part two of the interview. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Where were you when you found out? Like who called you? How did you even know something was happening? Kenny called me, her boyfriend. I was home in bed. Kenny called
Starting point is 01:23:14 me and said that somebody kicked in the door and he thinks Breonna is shot. And I'm like, what do you mean you think she's shot? Where is he? He said he couldn't see, like he had, like he was yelling her name and like screaming for her. But so of course I jump up and we kind of, we get disconnected. I dropped the phone and whatnot. But so I get dressed and I head over there, but in the middle of me heading over there, I'm calling Kenny's phone. He's not answering. So I'm calling Brianna's phone and she's not answering. And so when I get to her street, it's lined with police. There's an officer at the end of the road who I tell that I need to get through there. Something's going on with my daughter. She tells me that I needed to get to the hospital, that two ambulance had been through. One took an officer
Starting point is 01:24:06 and the other took the girl, whoever was hurt. And when I get to the hospital, I'll tell them why they're there. So they check. She comes back and said, well, she's not here. And I said, well, I don't know. Maybe I got here before her. And so I sat there for about two hours and the lady comes out and says, well, ma'am, there's no recollection of this person even being on the way. So I knew that I needed to get back to the apartment. They sent you to the hospital knowing that she was not at the hospital? Yeah. And she was still in the apartment?
Starting point is 01:24:40 Yes, ma'am. Yeah. What did they say to you? What did they give you? Like, why did they say this even happened? Well, at that point, they didn't. No one knew what was quite going on, but once I got back, I was able to get through a little more, so I was closer to the apartment, and there were some more officers kind of standing there hanging around so I told them who I was and that I needed to get into the apartment and see what was going on with my daughter so they told me to hang tight that a detective would come over and talk to me and so I we stood out there about two hours before the detective came over so when he comes over again we introductions who I am who he is and so he asked me if uh I knew of anybody
Starting point is 01:25:28 who would want to hurt Brianna or Kenny and um so of course I say no you know of course not like why would they ask you that when they knew who did that to her well Well, at this point, they still hadn't told me who did this and what happened. Oh. So, yeah. So, I asked, where's Kenny? You know, like, I need to talk to Kenny. And so, he told me to hang tight. So, he come back about another hour and a half, two hours later.
Starting point is 01:26:01 And he asked, had Brianna and Kenny been having any problems? And I'm like, are you, no, are you insinuating Kenny did something to Brianna because Kenny would never hurt her. And so at this point I'm screaming, where's Kenny? I need to talk to Kenny. So he says, well, Kenny's at one of our offices trying to help us piece together what happened here tonight. I asked about the officer being shot. I said, well, why was there, they said an officer was shot. He said, well, he was here responding to a call. And I said, a call for what? And he said, well, there were some officers there to serve a narcotics warrant. And I said, for whoanna and Kenny ain't got ain't selling no
Starting point is 01:26:45 narcotics and he he said he wasn't for sure he hadn't seen the warrant and I said well I want to see the warrant and he said well that he didn't know where it was that um they hadn't seen it that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle of things so he tells us to wait again so it was probably about 11 a.m when he comes back over and tells us it'll be a little bit longer they'll be wrapping up and that we'll be able to get into the house and I say well why won't you tell me where Brianna is I need to see Brianna And he says, well, she's still in the apartment. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 01:27:33 I'm so sorry that we have to make you tell this story. And even... But it's important that people know the details of what it is that she went through, the cover-ups. And I can't even imagine how that must feel to know that they gave you the runaround like that at that time, and the only thing you want to know is where is my daughter. Exactly, and so when he says she's in the apartment, I knew what that meant at that time, so I said, but I want to see her. I need to see her. I need to know that it's her. And he said, well, we've identified her through paperwork. And I said, well, how do you know it's her?
Starting point is 01:28:12 Because there's two women that live in that apartment. And he said, are you sure? And I said, yes, I'm sure. Because my other daughter lives in that apartment. But at the time, I knew she wasn't home, but I wanted to see Brianna. He said that I still couldn't see her, that it would be up to the coroner. So the coroner finally arrives, and it was about 1.30 p.m. when the coroner comes out and says, you know, that he would, I wouldn't be allowed to see her
Starting point is 01:28:46 and that they've already identified her. And so they kind of just, some other people like snooker away in this van while the coroner was talking to us. Has at any point anyone apologized to you? No. Has at any point... I'm sorry, what were you going to say? Let's give her a moment. I'm okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:29:17 Now, we really do appreciate you for your strength and being able to relay this story. I know you've told it countless times and we just want people to hear your story and we want some action to be taken. What does justice look like for you now? These officers being fired and arrested. If anybody else would have done it, they'd be arrested. So they obtained a warrant under a lie. They told several stories. And so they should be arrested. I mean, they lied. There was no reason for them to be there.
Starting point is 01:29:51 And the person you wanted, so you proclaimed to want it, was in custody. So to go in there at 1 in the morning and scare her and kill her. So what can we do now? What do we do now? How do we help? I know the system is one conversation, but how do we help Tamika get justice for her daughter right now as a community? What can we do?
Starting point is 01:30:13 Contact the mayor's office to have the officers involved fired. That's Officer Brett Hankinson, Miles Cosgrove, and John Mattingly. They need to be terminated from their positions. Daniel Cameron, the Kentucky Attorney General, needs to charge the officers and prosecute them aggressively. And then we also have this Thursday, Metro Council will be voting on Breonna's Law. And as it is written now, it's to significantly limit the use of no-knock warrants to only the most egregious of offenses like kidnapping, murder, human trafficking. But there is discussion to make that a complete ban on no-knock warrants. And we do think that that is important. So those are the three things right off the bat is ban no-knock warrants, terminate the officers in charge, and aggressively prosecute the officers.
Starting point is 01:31:05 Wow, well, it took a lot of strength for Tamika Palmer to even be able to tell this story and have to relive those events again. But the full interview is on the Breakfast Club YouTube page. Angie Martinez will also be airing the interview during her show later on today. And again, those officers' names are Sergeant Jonathan Mattingly, Officer Brett Hankinson, and Officer Miles Cosgrove. So we do want to make sure that at least for the sake of the family, for Breonna Taylor's friends, and just in general, we want to make sure that there is some justice here. So you can again go look and see the full interview on The Breakfast Club YouTube page. All right. And when we come back, we got rumors on the way, so don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Listen up. It's just in. All the gossip. The rumor report.
Starting point is 01:31:58 It's the rumor report. The Breakfast Club. Well, first of all, y'all know I love me some Lizzo. And Lizzo came through with a great message because she has been working out and she posts her workout all the time. And here's what she had to say. So I've been working out consistently for the last five years. But I'm not working out to have your ideal body type. I'm working out to have my ideal body type. And you know what type that is? None of your f***ing business.
Starting point is 01:32:24 Because I am beautiful. And worry about your own goddamn body. Because health is not just determined on what you look like on the outside. Health is also what happens on the inside. And a lot of y'all need to do a f***ing cleanse for your insides. Yes, I love it. She's right. What's on the inside is very important.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Invest in your mental wealth. It's clear Lizzo in shape, though. I mean, you can tell when she dances on stage. Yeah, her performances be amazing. So, you know. For you to be that big and be able to move like that, you definitely in shape. All right.
Starting point is 01:32:57 Now, Russell Westbrook is going to be executive producing Terror in Tulsa. It's a docuseries for Blackfin, and that is to mark the upcoming 100th anniversary of the infamous Tulsa. It's a docu-series for Black Fin, and that is to mark the upcoming 100th anniversary of the infamous Tulsa Race Massacre. And so that should be really interesting to watch. And as you know, we've talked about this previously, Dream Hampton is
Starting point is 01:33:16 also going to be directing Black Wall Street. That's a limited documentary series about the Tulsa Race Massacre for Cineflex Productions as well. So these stories are being told. Yeah, and those are great stories because they inspire because a lot of the things that, you know, black people talk about now as far as, you know,
Starting point is 01:33:31 black ownership and, you know, financial freedom, generational wealth and owning, yep. These aren't new conversations. These things have happened before. Like these in the Black Wall Street is one of those stories. All right. Now Lionel Richie has a musical coming all night long. That's in Black Wall Street Is one of those stories Alright now Lionel Richie has a musical Coming all night long
Starting point is 01:33:48 That's in the works from Disney It's going to be a movie based on the songs Yeah so that should be interesting to watch I'm not mad at that Yeah I think that's dope I like that I like anything that's like based on You know real life people And musicals in particular so
Starting point is 01:34:06 I'll be interested uh to watch that all right Anna Wintour you know her from uh being the editor in chief of Vogue magazine and she's the person that everybody wants to be friends so they can go to the Met Gala and all of that well she has admitted that Vogue has been hurtful and intolerant and not done enough to promote black staff and designers. We've been through this. She said, I want to start by acknowledging your feelings and expressing my empathy toward what so many of you are going through, sadness, hurt, and anger too. I want to say this, especially to the black members of our team. I can only imagine what these days have been like, but I also know that the hurt and
Starting point is 01:34:43 violence and injustice we're seeing and talking about have been around for a long time. Recognizing it and doing something about it is overdue. So, you know, Vogue, and that's something that people have looked to for so long and just as like such a big deal to be on the cover of Vogue. And they're still having like a lot of first moments,
Starting point is 01:35:01 like first black photographer, first this. And it's like, come on, Vogue, let's get with the times. Now, one of the co-creators of Friends, Marta Kaufman also confessed that she should have been more diligent in addressing the very white show's lack of diversity. She said, I wish I knew then what I know today. I would have made very different decisions.
Starting point is 01:35:19 I mean, we've always encouraged people of diversity in our company, but I didn't do enough. And now all I can think about is what can I do? What can I do differently? How can I run my show in a new way? And that's something I not only wish I knew when I started show running, but I wish I knew all the way up through last year. And, you know, people talk about friends all the time
Starting point is 01:35:36 and how there's no black people on friends ever. And that's been a conversation that people have been having for quite some time. Yes, and friends is just a rip-off of Living Single. Let's be clear on that. I never watched Friends. I never watched it at all. I definitely have watched Friends because it used to come on so
Starting point is 01:35:56 much that sometimes you just turn on the TV and I used to watch Seinfeld and I think Friends used to come on right after Seinfeld or something, but for some reason I'll randomly know certain episodes. I never watched Seinfeld or something, but for some reason, like, I'll randomly know certain episodes. I never watched Seinfeld. I never watched none of that. I love Seinfeld. I'm not gonna lie. I love Friends. Nope, I never watched
Starting point is 01:36:12 none of the older. I never watched Cheers. I never watched none of that stuff. I used to watch Cheers now. I can't remember. I never watched none of it. I know the theme song, but I never watched it. I like Seinfeld. I used to think it was pretty funny, so. Alright, now, Neo has faced some backlash after he spoke at George Floyd's funeral. So, and you can tell he did not have any intention of having to go up there and speak.
Starting point is 01:36:33 And maybe he just misspoke. But here's what he said, because he actually sang It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday in honor of Mr. Floyd. And here's what he said. This man changed the world,anged the world for the better. So I just want to personally thank George Floyd for his sacrifice so that my kids can be all right later on. I appreciate the sacrifice, my brother. I genuinely do.
Starting point is 01:36:57 Sorry, I ain't coming back to talk. All right, all right, all right. He received backlash? Well, I think, you know, Over him saying that George Floyd Sacrificed himself So that his children can live And I think the truth to the matter is He didn't sacrifice
Starting point is 01:37:12 He just was murdered by the police It wasn't something that he intended to do And I don't think Neo meant any harm by that By the way I think that what he meant to say was Let's not let George Floyd's death go in vain. Let's not let his murder go in vain. I don't think that George Floyd was like I'm
Starting point is 01:37:29 sacrificing for people's kids but I just think that's what he really meant and sometimes people when they have to freestyle and get up there. He's uncomfortable. He's singing at a funeral. Words just came out of his mouth. We know what Neo meant man and what Neo said was, yes, George Floyd died,
Starting point is 01:37:48 and hopefully my kids will have a better life because of what happened. That's all he meant. Right. Let's not let it go in vain. And I'm sure that's what he meant. Yeah, I don't know what Neo meant, but I know that, you know, Jesus got murdered, and they say Jesus made a sacrifice. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X got murdered,
Starting point is 01:38:03 and people say they made a sacrifice. So what makes it a sacrifice when you're doing work that you know ultimately will get you killed? Because I don't think George Floyd wanted to get murdered. But if you believe in God and you believe everything happens for a reason, then maybe it was a sacrifice, especially if it serves a greater purpose. The question is, if you knew something like that had to happen to you to bring about universal systemic change in the hearts and minds of people and laws, would you do it? Would you make that sacrifice? That should be the question.
Starting point is 01:38:32 Right. Well, you know, I just think that Neo didn't mean any harm. So I just wanted to put that out there because clearly he's performing at this man's funeral and doing that. And I'm sure that's not something that you get paid to do. Like you just do it because you want to, because you care. And you care about the family and you care about the friends. And so I'm sure his intentions were good. And we have to think about people's intentions at times as well.
Starting point is 01:38:55 All right. I'm Angela Yee. And that is your rumor report. All right. Thank you, Miss Yee. Now shout to Revolt. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Everybody else, the People's Choice mixes up next.
Starting point is 01:39:05 Get your request in. It's The Breakfast Club Good morning Morning everybody It's DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlamagne Tha Guy We are The Breakfast Club Now we gotta shout out
Starting point is 01:39:14 To Russell Simmons For joining us this morning All the way from Bali Yes indeed It's up on YouTube right now Go watch it And also From your own conclusions
Starting point is 01:39:23 Cause we know you will Oh they already. And also, we got to conclusions because we know you will. Oh, they already have. And also, we have to shout out to Angie Martinez's Angela Yee
Starting point is 01:39:32 for doing an interview with Breonna Taylor's mom, Tamika Palmer. Yes, and I just want to let people know if you want to also
Starting point is 01:39:40 make those calls to make sure that these police officers, these three officers are charged, are fired, you can call the Kentucky Attorney General's office. His name is Daniel Cameron. And that number is 502-696-5300. That's 502-696-5300. All right. All right. When we come back, we got the positive notes. Don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 01:40:07 Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Good morning. We'll see you guys later on. Now, Charlamagne, you got a positive note? I do, man. It's really simple this morning. If you're helping someone and expecting something in return,
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