The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge - After the Assassinated Father Comes The Son -- Is It All About Revenge Now?

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

His father, mother, and wife were among those killed in the opening moments of the Iran War. Now he's the new Supreme Leader - will his term be all about revenge? That's how we start this week's commentary from Dr. Janice Stein of the Munk School at the University of Toronto. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here. You're just moments away from the latest episode of the bridge. The Iran War, the sun takes power. What will that mean? Dr. Janice Stein. Coming right up. And welcome to Monday. Dr. Janice Stein is here.

As she is every Monday, that is always the plan to get the latest from Dr. Janice Stein from the Monksh School to the University of Toronto and get her understanding of what's playing out on the big picture. The foreign affairs scene, the international scene, and there's certainly one topic up for discussion right now, and that is the war in Iran. A weekend of developments in this war, which is now into its, what, 10th day. We'll get to that in a second, and I know you're anxious to hear from Dr. Stein, so I'll just quickly go over the question of the week, and it's related. We want your thoughts on this war. Now, I know we were talking about doing a second week on the relationship between Canada and the U.S.

Will it ever be back to the same as it was? We have lots of your answers still available to us from last week. We didn't even, we got to about half of them, so we have another half. And we will get to that. We're just going to hold off for at least this week on that. So I will keep those letters handy. But I'm looking for your thoughts on a different topic. this week, because we really do need to hear from you on this war and the impact it's having.

So I think the kind of the overall question is what should Canada's position be on the Iran war? But that can include other things. You know, how do you see the war ending? Was the war, the starting of this war, was it a good thing or a bad thing? Good idea or a bad idea? So there you go. The big question, what should Canada's position be on the war in Iran? Your answer on that.

But as I said, it can include those other areas as well. However, 75 words or less, excuse me, 75 words or fewer. Have your answers in by 6 p.m. Eastern time this Wednesday. Include your name and the location you're writing from. And, you know, where to send it. The Mansbridge Podcast at gmail.com. The Mansbridge Podcast at Gmail.com. So that's the plan for this week.

And I'm hoping you'll take part. Just keep in mind all those conditions, especially 75 words or fewer. Some of you went long last week. I go long this week. You're not on. so keep it under 75 words. All right, let's waste no more time

and get to the conversation with Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School at the University of Toronto. Here's what she has to say this week. So Janice, the son becomes the new Supreme Leader. And, you know, I guess the first question is, here's a guy who loses his father to the American attack. He loses his mother. He loses his wife, all in the same attack, and other members of the family.

He becomes the supreme leader. Can anyone expect anything other than revenge from this guy? No. I mean, it's inconceivable. A son too was killed. He already was... he was so close to the Revolutionary Guards, Peter, they weighed in with support.

So he already was on the hardline traction among the possible confessors. There were two or three others who are so-called moderate. Now, later on to that, the fact that he lost his whole family, that he's injured, that he's in hiding, that there's clearly a target on his back is very difficult. There was one voice that came out of Iran who knows him well, who grew up with him and who says,

look, there's some chance that he will be the Mohammed bin Salman of Iran. That is the prince of Saudi Arabia, who was the air-designan. by his father when his father was alive, you know, and turned out to have a reform agenda, which has changed Saudi Arabia beyond belief. This is not, by the way, a Democrat that has nothing to do with democracy or any of that, but he had a vigorous reform agenda. What kind of Iran will most of a Hamani inherit the day after?

Already, for a terrible shortage of water. Already an economy where the real currency had deflated 90% already with a very high inflation rates. And now infrastructure, the demands will be just huge. There is something about reality, you know, as Henry Cisterner once said. that shapes agendas, even when you come from a hardline faction. But that's a whisper about hope, in all honesty, Peter, nothing more.

You know, one of the ironies of this appointment is that the father used to say, or had said, this should not be hereditary. This should not pass from one, you know, generation to the next of the same. family because we'd be looking at the same thing that we overthrew in terms of getting rid of the shaw on a royalty succession.

Yeah. But clearly those who were doing the voting decided against that. Absolutely right. You know, he was very clear, al-Ihan, I mean, that he did not want this. And the reason he said, you know, it was the Shah. it would replicate all the evils of the Palafi family. So look at the wheel of history turns here. The key player in this, this week, inside Iran, was Ari Lari Hami, the speaker whom Ali Khamini designated to run the government.

Should he be killed or should he die? he's not a formal transitional counsel he's the speaker but he's extremely powerful very loyal to the Khomeini family and intervene very

actively that's set under these circumstances given the scope of the challenge so key weight in over and over again 88 clerics to vote it. They were, you know, there was not, it was not unanimity at the beginning. But as Larry Annie put the pressure on.

And look, Peter, there's a bigger factor here, which I think we would all know, when you're under attack, when your country's being bombed by enemies, which is, of course, the way the IRGC would feel inside Iran, you rally behind the hardliners. That's what happens. Time again. Now, does that make it much harder to end this war? Infinite.

The Israelis have already said they're targeting the sun. They're going after the new leader. Yeah. Trump hasn't said that directly, but he's made it clear if it's not somebody he wants, they'll target him. So how does that play out? I mean, who'd want the job knowing that?

Yeah. Well, you know, I did ask an Iranian expert yesterday, when I was talking to him, I said, who would take this job? Who would take this job right now? I can't imagine it. And beyond that, how do you govern? And the answer that came back to me,

well, they're not even thinking, about governing right now. They're just thinking about survival. It's going to be, you know, even when the fighting ends, Peter, does the risk of assassination? No, because the number of special forces that are on the ground in Iran.

We don't have an accurate number, but I would be astonished if there were not. CIA, Mossad, and other kinds of special forces that are all over Iran right now. I mean, you know, people are saying his father ruled for 38 years. They don't know if he'll rule for 38 days. Yeah, the special forces, you know, they're obviously there. I mean, they're doing everything from targeting to doing their own,

their own operations to take out various. Assyrianian assets. Let me ask it this way. Is Iran in a no-win position? I mean, what's the best they can do given the situation they're in now? They are functionally in no-win position, right? There was an opportunity here

if they had chosen anybody, anybody. But most of them, you know, the grandson of, The first I had told, Humman, was one of the candidates. He is, I mean,

let's be careful of how we use these words, hardline, moderate, because, but you know what I mean. Yeah. And he was aligned with a more moderate faction.

There were one or two other candidates like that. They could have taken the opportunity to send a signal. There's changed. There's changed. with the in the regime, we don't have to

overthrow the regime. Because change, change can happen from within as well as from without Saudi Arabia is a good example of that, frankly. I mean, it's dramatic the change inside of Saudi Arabia. They didn't take

that opportunity. And I understand how you would rally behind the hardest right-wing most trusted faction was just close to what they've

had the IRGC and the reasons are here it's not only that they're being attacked from the outside the biggest factor here is that the Republican guards control the economy they benefit from

sanctions you know they control the cement industry they control the electronics industry they do They run construction. Construction all over the world is the same one way or the other. They run the trucking business.

The nuts and bolts in the economy. And that's what many did. He brought them literally, he separated them from the army after the original and tied them so closely to him and to protecting him. And in turn, what they got, controlled the economy. So they actually don't want those sanctions lifting or they want very little change in the economy because it attacks directly the basis of their economic and political power. And it's the, it is the guards who weighed in to make sure that their candidity was chosen. It's a missed opportunity.

There's no question. If you look at some of the faces, you know, of Iranians or outside the country. Just a disappointment that this rest was made. There are a number of avenues to take in this discussion, and I want to try and cover them all. But let me start with this one. We're 10 days in to this war. Do we have any idea yet what Washington actually wants out of this?

So, you know, there was a story that broke. over the weekend about where the rich urine is inside around. Now that was a deliberate leak. Peter, you don't get a leak out of an intelligence agency with that kind of information. That doesn't just happen.

That was leaks in Washington. And the backdrop to the story is for the first time there was actually, Now, again, it's a leak from an American intelligence agency, so let's just put that frame around it. But there was some detail in there that I had never seen before about what Iran had done. Where is this, first of all? Where are these 600 to 960 pounds of enriched you English? We don't have an exact one.

So for the person, they identified where it is. It is in Isfahan in a nuclear facility there. What changed over the last six weeks was the Iranians had piled earth on top so that you couldn't access the uranium. There were satellite pictures of a back door to the facility that they had opened, which suggests one that they could have. access that uranium, whenever, much more easily that all the coverage

of the facility, which was being monitored, and there was no trucks around the front, and nothing was changing around the front, that they knew that there was a backdoor and that it would be possible for Iran to remove that

uranium, and then you race to a bomb. And with that alone, you could produce you could call it a dirty bomb or you could call it a primitive bomb. It doesn't matter. That's as powerful as what the United States used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to give you a sense of this. Why they release this?

Well, it provides an excuse or a story or an explanation of why they went to war, frankly, at this time. It's amazing that if they had this, they didn't, the president didn't talk about it. The Secretary of War didn't talk about it, and they didn't release this information. Where are we? It's inconceivable now, Peter, that this war will end. If it ends, and that uranium is still there, and that back to the war is still there, there is a race. They will.

After what happened, and they all out of touch, how can they not race the nuclear weapon? All right. Let's pick apart some of that. Yeah. First of all, are we talking about the same location that they supposedly obliterated last year? This is exactly the same location. They obliterated what was inside, but the location is still there. And right after the fighting straw, that was 12 days last time, flux came with piles of earth.

and created, you know, huge sand ramparts block the entrance to the facility. Okay, but so what does that mean? Bunker Buster bombs destroy the centrifuges and anything else, the metalization process, which is very important to, that was inside. You do it through shocks. Those bunker buster bombs did that, but the walls are still standing. So you cover the entrance. We think of a building high entrance full of sand so nobody can access the material.

That's okay if you want to get at it, but it's easy to monitor if anybody's moving that earth from the outside and nobody's touched it from the outside up until now. Okay. But around the back. But let me just first make the point. are we now dismissing the fact that it was obliterated? I mean, if something was left there that they're now willing to go back for, it kind of dismisses the obliteration remark, right?

Well. I mean, can you obliterate uranium, stockpiles of uranium? No, but nobody actually claimed that they did that, to be fair. They obliterated the centrifuges. they obliterated the mentalization process. They obliterated literally everything you needed. But even then, they acknowledged that the uranium was still there. Nobody hit that.

The Americans acknowledge that? Yeah. So when you were? They didn't know where it was. They actually said, it was really interesting. They actually said at the end of the 12 days that they did not know where it was that it was conceivable, that the Iranians had removed it before the sites were attacked, and it was stored somewhere else.

They didn't know where it was. And Raphael Grossey, the head of the International Atomic Energy, is you see, who's, you know, an authoritative source, not motivated to cover up on either side of this, said, look, he did not know where it was. He nobody, he had no inspectors to verify. where it was, he suspected that it was close to the site. That's all he said.

Now we get this report over the weekend that they do know where it is and that they notice that the Iranians have created a back door to get into the facility. Okay, and they're leaving

they're trying to leave the impression through this leak, as you say, it's a leak. Leak. They're trying to leave this impression that actually this is the reason why. That's right. That's right. That's right.

And there was one, it's clear that this is the information that's being transmitted to the present. You know, in the chaos, manic way that he talks and it's really hard. But he gave an interview when he was on Air Force One, flying back. from the ceremony for the six soldiers who had returned.

And he was asked an interesting question. He was asked, well, are there commandals or special forces that are going in? He said, not yet. It's too risky yet to have to put any commandal forces on the ground, to go after anything to do with the nuclear sites. we need to do, we need to engage in more attacks from the year before we do that. So he's been told. Well, he's been told and he concedes that the end game can't be from the year.

If you can't destroy the uranium from the year, you can't pick it up from the year. No. You're going to have to go in on the ground. You're going to have to go in on the ground. and in this leak, which is really riveting for the detail, it actually says it's stored in canisters. Well, if it's stored in canisters, it is truckable. You can put it on a truck and take it out.

The question becomes, who gets to this first? The Revolutionary Guards read the same article. I can tell you. They read the same. I believe you and I read this weekend. You can't, there's no, you have to put special forces in at some point to get that Iranian. You now know where it is and you know that it's accessible to the Iranians now. This is where we are in the story.

Yeah. I got to say, you know, I still have a hard time believing so much of this stuff because the story keeps changing. Yeah. You know, and in fairness, Trump did say last year that Iran cannot make a nuclear weapon for a long, long time. I can't remember whether you put a date on it or not, but it was years. It wasn't months, which what we're saying now is they could make it, they could make at least a dirty bomb with what they've got. They can make a dirty bomb. There's no question.

They could make a dirty bomb with what they've got. That's not a big. And a very, very powerful dirty bomb. Right. Yes. If you believe this leak. If you believe the leak. Exactly.

And that's the problem here because, you know, this leak will last until the next leak. Yeah. It'll be something else. Some other intelligence agencies from some other country who's going to have to confirm this, Peter. Right. Yeah.

Okay. Let me go to the... But it does tell you something important that people have been saying, well, you know, Trump, he's just going to wake up one morning and declare victory. Right. He can't do that after this, like, it's much harder to do it. He can't say, well, I've taken out there, you know, I've taken out there all the infrastructure for the guards and the besiege. and I've done this and I've done that, we've defeated them the war's over.

That's not an option when his own intelligence agency has told everybody where the immaturianium is and that there's a back door together. Here's the other area that fascinates me over the weekend. And even today, just in the last few hours, Russia has put out the word

congratulating the new supreme leader saying, you know, you're defending your country and Russia stands by you in that defense. This after a weekend where there were leaks of some kind, suggesting that the Russians were giving targeting information to the Iranians about where American facilities were and troops were that they could target. Yeah. Well, you know, explain to me what Russia is up to. Like, what does Russia want out of this other than they're obviously very happy with the $120 oil or whatever it is today?

Perfect for them. Yeah, it's perfect for them. But beyond that, look, we talked last week and we said Russia was a big winner here. So, won the price of all, which they have. really neat because of their economy. And the Chinese are losers here, which I think Vladimir Putin is fun with you. You know, I don't think it's so fun for Vladimir Putin to be the number two in that relationship

over and over and over. So that's the second win. Thirdly, look at the drawdown of socks that's going on here as this goes on. Everything is being pulled out of the Pacific. And Ukraine will be, there's no question there's going to be an equipment crunch that will hit Ukraine as a result of all the equipment that's moved from everywhere else. You know, ammunition missile interceptors, everything. That's a big win for Vladimir Putin. Who's talking about Ukraine?

Who's talking about Ukraine right now? And let's add one more factor to the story, which is about a year into the Ukraine war, not at the beginning because Biden was very cautious and didn't want to provoke the Russians and was concerned about Russian nuclear acidity. A year into it, as they became more confident that he wouldn't, he might be bluffing. The American set up a base in Rumslan, Germany. I sent over a squad of intelligence officers. and satellite experts and provided the best targeting information based on satellites

that could overfly 24-7 for Russia, and we know that, and did that for 18 months at least until President Trump took over and longer. The most valuable thing the Americas are from Argentina-Raeas. They would send messages to Ukrainian officers in the field. to tell them where we're a Russian soldier. I frankly, when I saw that story, there was a leak in the Washington Post. That's how that story broke. So, you know, that's the good thing about democracies.

I don't know what you want to say they leak. Journalists are just, Israel leaks, like I said, these countries, we get so much more information. But they're so, they're strategic leaks, though, right? There's strategic leaks, the administration. You know the S reporters that it talks to and it releases the information when it wants to go up. They are strategic plates. I want to get to Canada in a moment, but first let me ask you this.

We're 10 days in. Yeah. Where are we? Look, it's expanded to the Gulf. Saudi Arabia is losing his patience where could we be a few days from now the Gulf states could start to retaliate

who would that be? It would be the Emirates who are always first out they're the highest risk takers in the whole Gulf follow by the Saudis because what do they have here Saudi Arabia has bought time You know, there's an expression you can use about the Saudis. They bought rather than fought. They bought.

They have the most advanced equipment. They had Patriot missiles. They have the highest altitude inceptors, the Thad system, which works against long-range ballistic missiles. So do the Emirates. Zelensky is helping. The Gulf State. with targeting drones.

If it continues at this pace, I would not be surprised to see the Saudis and the Emirates get much more heavily involved than they are. This is for them. If you think about what Saudi Arabia's change has been, it's to make them an attractive site for investment, a safe place to invest and to build an AI-driven economy. Everything that's happened puts that at risk, everything.

If they do get involved, the Saudis, the Emirates, whomever in the Gulf, if they get involved, does that change everything? It would certainly make it harder to start off the fighting because there's a cycle of retaliation that gets going that once it starts, it's very difficult. You know, it's very difficult. And there's a code of honor that requires that you respond when you're, when somebody in your family is killed. This is deeply part of the culture. You just escalate that up to the, you know, to the country.

I don't know how long the Saudis will stay out of this. And one of the story, you know, one of the, again, when people talk about how this ends, and right now, the Iranian regime has not collapsed. It's consolidated. It's pulled in its wagons, circle, you know, around the hardline elements. It's not on the verge of collapse. And by the way, it's a fascinating story that how many planned that strategy? They call it a mosaic strategy.

you and I would call it a decentralized charity where you can fire missiles from any of the 28 provinces and the Revolutionary Guard decentralized its command. So there's no imminent sign of the Iranian regime collapsing. So what's the other way this ends? Well, Donald Trump gets up one morning and says it's over. It takes two to stop. It takes one to start and two to stop.

Did the Israelis and the Americans underestimate what they were getting into here? Yes. Yes. I mean, you know, they moved up that strike. They took out 40 leaders. They assassinated the Supreme Leader. And they hoped that the regime would explode

because of the demonstrations that had happened six weeks earlier in Siderland. Yes, they underestimated. because the only alternative Peter is doing this every two or three years and that cannot happen that cannot happen the United States can't do it

because of that they can't permanently deplete all the other their assets all over the world to do a repeat of this every three years Israel can't do it and you leave a wounded vengeful

Iranian leadership in place, that will say, I want to get to that back door first. Okay. We're going to take a break. You know, I looked at some numbers this morning. We know what's happened to oil and we know what's happening as a result of that price going up on oil, how it's going to affect so many other things. The Americans had said have already spent $100 billion on this war.

$100 billion. Yeah. Of course, it always seems to me, ever since he got in power, including in his first term, he didn't care about how much he ran the tab up on. No. No. That's dead or death.

But we are in a pre-midterm election season, Peter. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But at least they're not talking about Epstein anymore. That's what $100 billion gets you. Oh, God. Well, see how long that loss. Okay, we're going to take a break.

Come right back and talk about Canada and Carney on Iran. We'll do that right after this. And welcome back. You're listening to The Bridge for this Monday. That means Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School to University of Toronto. And she is here. We're talking about, not surprisingly, the war against Iran and just how that seems to be going. You're listening on Sirius XM, Channel 167, Canada Talks, are on your favorite

podcast platform. Glad to have you with us. Okay, let's talk for a moment about Canada's position on this and Mark Carney's statements on this. You know, last week on Good Talk on Friday, we talked about what seemed to be, you know, politely described as a bit of a stumble on the part of Mark Carney on day one of this because of the things he said in terms of support for the... the attack on on Iran and I use that term loosely because it's um you can define support a number of different ways but he certainly came out sounding like he was on side um he's pulled back somewhat from that in the in the days since um was that a blunder or just a misstep you know let's have

the scene here for a second peter right i see you know very very well he's traveling Right? He's traveling with journalists. It's hard to talk to the senior officials back in honor. You don't have your whole stuff with you. And when prime ministers are traveling and there's a big issue that explodes, they scramble, they're self scrambles, a couple of merchant calls that go back and forth, and you're out of the gate because the journalists are right,

they are right there and you don't have time. So I think that's hardly going to happen. I think as I, I think I said this last week. Look, I also think this prime minister was four or five of what happened in January. It's safe with him.

And I think that's where he started. And if you look at the same in the issue last week, that's really where he started. He started with the fact that this was a machine that kills his own people. And that's the through line in this great. Now, what happened during the week? And it's interesting because I think it tells you something about the liberal party, too,

in this country, there was criticism. And the criticism came from farmers. Right. You know, all right. Oh, no. This, you know, this Christian people and the ex-for-the-people. and they are still, God bless them, active, and they came hard at him in Calvert.

And then the caucus. Well, because who was managing the caucus when the prime minister was on the road again? And that's where the criticism really came at him. And that's when you saw the pullback. And when, you know, even the same, like, well, we don't rule up military means. What does that mean?

Military means. What's kind of going to do? Well, the military means means we'll come to the support of a Gulf state if we're asked to do it. What can we provide those states in the Gulf when the missiles are flying both ways? So then it became, well, if we need to. to rescue Canadians? Well, yes, but that's charter aircraft.

That's not military means, frankly. And I know what the board minister said, but I have to say, Peter, I think the possibility that Canada will contribute, will use

military means is so low as close in it on the air, right? And it never was. It always was and nothing much changed my mind about. Well, even if we wanted to, we're limited as to what we've got that could help anyway. That's right. That's right. We don't have assets, right? We don't have assets.

Now, you know, you're going to let me rant for one minute here? Sure. Why didn't we have a hotline for Canadians during that week? They, you know, States did. We have a lot of Canadians in the region. One. active hotline. Even if you have a message machine that says, I hear your message and you can register. Canadians, you know, we're

having to our register. This is in the H-VIA. We have thousands of Canadians spread through that region. We'll have to register. We don't have an embassy in Iran. Well, stand up

a force online that can take registration reflects in real time from Canadians who want our government to know where they are in a morsel we need to we need to join the 21st century well so do the americans to you know they weren't prepared on that front either they're still scrambling trying to get you know get people out and even have the ability for people to calm them you know they have hotlines and they have that kind of stuff, but there's still 10 days later. It just, you know, it looks, when you look at this situation,

they underestimated how Iran was going to fight back. They underestimated what was going to happen in the rest of the Gulf. Yes. They missed that entirely. Nobody thought that Iran, and that was how many strategy, to decentralize and attack the Gulf to raise the cost of the Americans, nobody predicted that. Nobody.

But to come to your point, they knew they were going to start this war. We didn't know. They knew, and they still didn't have arrangements for their sins, right? The big difference I'll tell you, though, honestly, you can register with the U.S. Embassy. That worked.

The embassies know where you are. Our embassies, both, by the way, in Mexico, in the weeks before and here, It took hours to register with a Canadian. But, you know, like somebody in Canada must have realized what the heck was going on. I mean, you can't send those kind of forces to one concentrated area in the world and go, oh, well, no, they're just, they're on a cruise. You and I knew what was going on, right?

So how do you not prepare? How do you not put in place state-of-the-art systems? like your own citizens get through in real time. And how do I know this? Because, of course, I heard from Canadians, right? Who were sending me in period? How? I've been trying for 45 minutes.

I can't get through to our embassy. I can't register. How do I register? How do I do this? We have to get better. We have to get. This is a problem. We have to get an installment on this one.

or digital versions. We've got to get better. He's suddenly got it coming at him from all. Every which way. You know, he's not a stupid guy. He must have realized what was

what was going to be happening for him on this portfolio. You know, even without a war, it's still crazy. Okay, last question. Where are we going to be a week from now on this? I don't think.

I think we're in a slog now, Peter, honestly. Who would have thought a war on gas would have lasted two years? Who, who in their right mind would have thought a war and gas would have lasted two years? I don't think we're there because the costs of the global economy are too hot. That Chinese want this over now. I think very quickly Washington is going to want this over. They're going to want this over. I think they have to do something about that uranium now.

The leak is as much a problem for them as an explanation because now that it's out there, they have to do something. And I think the regime in Iran has consolidated for now. It's going to double down. And if you were they and Donald Trump, after the record of now twice starting a war in the middle of, negotiations. Yeah.

It's going to be hard to stop here. All right. Let's leave it at that for now. There's no doubt we'll be talking about it a week for now. You take care. We'll talk in seven days. Yeah, that. Dr. Janice Stein talking to the bridge,

as she always does on Mondays, and we're grateful for it. You heard the question of the week. We've delayed. We're going to hold on to your letters on the Canada-U-S thing. This week, we want to talk about this Iran war. The question is specific about Canada. What's your sense of what Canada's done so far?

What Canada's said so far? What Canada can do on this situation? So your thoughts are welcome. And you have until 6 p.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday to get them in to the Mansbridge podcast at gmail.com. Include your name and the location you are writing from. And keep it under, 75 words. 75 words or fewer. That is the rule.

The golden rule. And the fewer, the better. And make your argument in 20 words, more power to you. All right. That's going to do it for today. Tomorrow, it's Raj Russo. I imagine there'll be something about this on that, too, as well as a lot of other stuff, because there always is. Althea Raj, Rob Russo, the reporter's notebook. For this Tuesday, tomorrow, right here on the bridge.

I'm Peter Mansbridge. Thanks so much for listening. Talk to you again in less than 24 hours.