The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge - Is Chatter Just Chatter or Is An Invasion of Venezuela About To Happen?

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Mondays mean Dr Janice Stein, and today is no different. The Munk School Director from the University of Toronto drops by for her regular Monday session. The topics vary, from India and Pakistan on edge again to the Ukraine war to the very real possibility that the United States is about to launch broad-scale action against Venezuela.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here. You're just moments away from the latest episode of The Bridge. It's Monday. Dr. Janice Stein is here, and we have a lot to talk about. Coming right up. And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here. It's Monday. Our changing world has never been changing more than it is right now.

I'll tell you, there's stuff. happening wherever you look. Today we'll take a crack at some of those things with Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School at the University of Toronto, our regular Monday guest, and is she popular or what? I've got to tell you, the numbers for Mondays on the bridge are very, very impressive.

We'll get to Dr. Stein a few moments' time, but as always, first thing up Monday is a discussion about the question of the week for your turn. this Thursday. I give you the question. Now you have a couple of days to come up with some answers. This is going to be a little different this week. I've been toying around with the idea of trying to figure out what to ask about AI. If you follow my newsletter every week, we try to do something on AI every Saturday morning.

Whatever the latest kind of hot AI topic is is included in the list of our articles that I suggest are worth reading each Saturday morning. If you haven't subscribed to the buzz, it's very easy. Just go to National Newswatch.com slash newsletter. You just have to give us your email. That's it. No money. It's free.

And you'll start getting it every Saturday morning at 7 a.m. That's how you do it. Okay, so a question for this week on AI. And I'm not quite sure who it was. It was one of the big tech people who said, I think it was earlier this year, said a lot of people are having problems kind of understanding the impact that AI is going to have on our lives, on our economy, on just about everything. And they may not understand it until the day arrives,

In the not too distant future, and I think this person put a time on it, said, like within 10 years, you'll be walking down a crowded street in a major city. And you will notice, you will suddenly notice that walking beside you is a robot. And that will be just totally common. That'll be what you expect to see. 10 years from now. Robots. Doing human things.

At work and at home. Now, in the last month or so, I mean, there's lots of different robot stuff out there. You know, just Google robots. But I'm going to suggest you Google one in particular. Just as an example, I'm not promoting this in any fashion. I just want you to look at it. And then the question is going to be,

do you think this is going to happen and how's it going to change your life, if at all? Right? So here's the one I want you to look at. Quite frankly, you can look at anything that says, you know, home robots. But look at this one. Google or go to YouTube and,

and put this name in as well. And you'll see a video pop up. It's, you know, it's not long. I think it's like nine minutes. It's called Neo. N-E-O. All right? Neo-home robot.

Just plug those words in. You'll see a bunch of different options as to where to go. Look for the video. I think it's like nine minutes and 54 seconds long. If you see that, then you'll know that we're talking the same thing. So Neo-N-E-O, those are capitalized, home robot. Okay? So look at that and think about it.

Do you buy this? Do you think this is like real? Do you think this can happen? And can you see a world 10 years from now, where, in fact, you could be walking down the street and you'd be walking along and the person, in quotes, next to you, walking along on their mission of the day,

is a robot. So have a look at that. I'm going to test this out and see what you think. Take your time. You don't have to be the first answer in here. I want you to think about it. and then when you've thought about it you have 75 words or fewer to give me your response

and you have to have it in by Wednesday at 6 p.m. Eastern time Include the name and the location you're writing from. Okay, you've heard the question. You've got all the details on how to make this happen. and we'll give this a go we'll see this is different we haven't done this sort of react to a video before so I want you to think about it

and let me know your answer because it all falls into this kind of AI basket right that's a different way of going about it to get some of your thoughts okay enough with that let's get into today's Today's discussion with Dr. Janice Stein, because I think this is, there's a lot of good stuff in here.

A lot of challenging stuff, a lot of stuff that, as always, makes you think. So without further ado, Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School of the University of Toronto. Here we go. Okay, Janice, we have a full agenda once again. I want to start with India and Pakistan, and I'll tell you why. I googled India-Pakistan tensions and I you know what pops up what pops in this is the kind of crazy world we live in right now the India-Pakistan tensions that's number one on the list is a cricket match that's going it's been going on over the weekend now these are two big cricket nations

not only they are important in the big scheme of cricket but they are very good and they take their game seriously. But that, of course, is not the tension I was looking for. There's been a situation in both countries where in the last week there have been explosions in each country, which has led people to wonder just exactly what's going on and how deep was the supposed, you know, peace arrangement or, you know, a relaxation of hostilities

between the two countries that, of course, Donald Trump, claim credit for a month or so ago. What do you make of what's going on right now? It's a really fascinating story. As you said, Peter, an explosion first in New Delhi. You know, nine people killed, 20 wounded. As you know, any capital in the world, that is not nothing and elevates tension,

puts pressure on the prime minister. And, of course, for India, this is undoubtedly in their mind linked to Pakistan and support of Pakistani Millet and Silver Kashmir that's been going on for a long time. But they're being very careful this time because for reasons that have to do with the fighting that went on two months ago,

Pakistan, there was an explosion. And it took literally two minutes for them to say, these attacks were instigated by India. But that claim too is suspect because what Pakistan did for years and Canadians will remember that when we were in Afghanistan, Chris Alexander, who was our ambassador there,

wrote again and again that the Taliban was able to survive because of the support it gone from Pakistani intelligence services. over the border and that as long as that continued it would be impossible to defeat the Taliban will beware of what you wish for the Taliban are not back in power in Afghanistan there is a close Pakistani affiliate of the Taliban and over the last several months the Pakistani military is fighting the Pakistani-affiliated Taliban and there's no question

they're getting support from the Taliban. So it... I mean, where is all this lead? I mean, whenever we talk about these two countries, the Indian Pakistan, we cannot ignore the fact they both have nuclear weapons. They're both nuclear powers. So where's all this leading?

So that's the big story. It's exactly that, that they are both nuclear powers. And two months ago, similar set of circumstances although the attack was only in Delhi the fighting escalated between these two countries and one that Donald Trump famously ended but the part of the story that was not told there

Peter is that in the round of strikes from the air the last round that India launched against Pakistan was inside Pakistani territory a few kilometers away from an air base in Pakistan where their strategic bombers and some elements of their commanding control for nuclear weapons is situated.

So unless you were looking for that, you might not see it. But that was not a minor escalation. And I think that's why the United States gone involved as quickly as it did. it was about oh my goodness can this spin out of control and that's what sets the whole context there's a good news story here though um they haven't there's been a week now because prime minister modi was so outraged last time he said one more terrorist attack

from pakistan is war that's partly why he's being so careful this time not to make a definitive statement that it is Pakistan because they climbed up the ladder so fast last time that there is a note now of caution on both sides because they are both nuclear powers and the risks are incalculable frankly nobody can calculate it this is this is the new world you know we didn't have this between the soviet union and the united states didn't live next door to each other uh these are neighbors there's geography here with a long history of bitterness both nuclear powers openly acknowledged nuclear powers that's a different kind of risk of escalation than we had in the in the cold war but it's also

chilling the conflict because people are afraid. Okay, you're helping us put this in context because really when you, you know, we live in a dangerous world right now on a lot of fronts, you know, whether it's Ukraine, Russia, whether it's, you know, the Middle East, whether it's Venezuela. I mean, there are a lot of things going on in our world right now. But if you place this in context, given this, you know, the proximity of the two countries, the history of the two countries, and the nuclear capabilities of both countries.

Where does this rank on the sort of, you know, why should I be worried to scale here right now between these two? Why shouldn't care is because, you know, the special reason to care is because there's because there are no nuclear powers. And if this goes wrong, we are in uncharted territory. Nobody's used in nuclear weapons since 1945, and it was only used once.

And when you're a close neighbor and you've been involved in multiple rounds of fighting, which these two countries have, it's not inconceivable that another round would break out. But what's changed, they're both nuclear powers and they both have here what we call

a second strike capability and what does that mean that both are reasonably confident that even if the other used a nuclear weapon first enough nuclear weapons who survived that they could strike back and retaliate

that's what stabilized the Soviet-American relationship you know why does it work that way you might ask It works that way because if the United States, for example, in the old Soviet relationship, had enough weapons to strike first and go at all the Soviet missiles and the Soviets would not have had enough to hit back, there was a good reason for the United States to take the chance.

But once the Soviets had enough to hit back and an American city would be the target. It was a powerful restraining force on both sides. The Pakistanis, the Indians are there now. They have missiles to sea, for instance, that would survive any kind of war. And so the big question, is this enough? Is this fear of going up the nuclear ladder? Is this enough to prevent for the future any large-scale war between Indian Pakistan? That provocation was certainly there this week.

Well, they didn't go. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to take some comfort in the fact that neither side called off the cricket match. That's right. That's right. That matters. That's got to be good for something. Yeah. So let's hope that calmer has prevailed there.

And pressure from the outside and even from Trump. You know, I'm sure other countries are weighing in on this. trying to get everybody to calm down. Yeah. And, you know, that seems to be the case at the moment. So let's hope so. You know, Peter, let's add one other little story that's going on in Pakistan, which is very interesting.

The head of the Trump's favorite field marshal, that's how he describes him, field marshal who's head of the Indian, the Pakistani army, just got immunity for life. Isn't that something that Trump would like and has, in a sense, because of the Supreme Court that said anything he did in office, he was, he would receive impunity, not immunity, but impunity. He could do what he would like as long as he's exercising his presidential powers. Well, here in Pakistan, Munir gets immunity for life, gets elevated above the chief of the Air Force. the chief of the Navy, and a special court is established inside Pakistan that sits alongside

the Supreme Court, which functionally means there's to work around the Supreme Court. You could call this judicial reform, the kind of campaign that was waged in Israel, and Poland, you could call it anything you like, but what it does is deeply enshrined, Trump's favorite field marshal as the de facto most powerful man inside Pakistan. Well, you know, immunity and pardons seem to be the way of the world these days. Meanwhile, I can't even get off on a parking ticket, so I'm not sure how this works. Okay, let's move on. In a way, there's a kind of similarity to this next story in the sense of,

Our world doesn't make sense some days. We have Ukraine and Russia deep in negotiations on a prisoner release. They've had one before, but they're working on another one right now. They're working on this at a time when Russia is pummeling Keeve on a, you know, nightly basis almost. And Ukraine is, you know, is trying to counter that with their own attacks on, on Russian installations. But, I mean, some of the attacks on Kiev in the last few nights have been more than anything we've seen since the beginning of the war.

And yet, at the same time, they're sitting at a table somewhere negotiating a prisoner release. Yeah, I mean, this was a terrible wake for Zelensky, frankly, a really, really hard week. the fighting is intensifying as you say pure Russia is going after Ukraine's energy infrastructure in these fierce attacks at night the winter is coming in Ukraine you know Ukraine has a climate a lot like ours if you don't have gas to eat your homes it is really rugged just imagine we can't if our if our heating systems didn't work in our house

or what it would be like to live through that and that's exactly what Putin is doing to try to break the will yet again of Ukrainians those strategies don't usually work frankly at the same time these prisoner of war exchanges go on and they've always gone on in war by the way you know the Red Cross used to do them in the middle of World War II

and they've always gone on these prisoner war exchange because both sides want their prisoners back so badly. But on the front lines, we're close to another big Ukrainian city.

Ugrovsk falling it's imminent and Ukrainians themselves are talking about it. It's the biggest, I'll probably remember pictures of Bahmout which was May of 23, burnt to a shell,

nobody living there. That's what Pugraf looks like now. And there is a intense debate going on among Ukrainian military leaders. Do we withdraw now and save lives, Ukrainian lives, soldiers, who are increasingly isolated in the city? Or do we fight on in order

to inflict more casualties on the Russian soldiers at the cost of Ukrainian soldiers' lives. It's an agonizing, agonizing decision. It's not going to prevent the city from falling, Peter. And that's one of two or three in Donetsk, one of the provinces, two provinces in the Donbass, which are strategic. They're connected in terms of,

of moving supplies back and forth. And more important, they open up the last quarter of that province, one of two in the Donbass, which is this key Putin obsession to a Russian advance once that city falls. So really, really tough week. If you're Ukrainian or you're supporting Ukraine's position in this conflict, and you're looking for an upside at the moment. Where do you find it? I'm going to give you the most unexpected answer.

I don't know. You'll agree with me much less anybody else, Peter. There was a parallel story that came out of Ukraine this week. It was a corruption story, right? a former business partner of Zelensky. Now, let's just understand what a former business partner is. He was a partner in his comedy show before he became present. He's not a business partner in government of Zelensky.

But he siphoned off $100 million from a nuclear energy program. And energy is so vital right now. In Keith, given what we just talked about, And there is something in Ukraine called the National Anti-Corruption Bureau. They were fierce inside Ukraine set up by Zelensky and others in response to Western demands over and over that Ukraine do something about corruption, which was really endemic in Ukraine before. I've met some of those investigators. And I tell you, they are related.

They're in the middle of a war, which is not going well. And you can just imagine the pressure not to release this story. They released day after day in a crescendo of bad news. And it resulted in the resignations of two ministers, the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Energy inside Ukraine. And Anita and our foreign minister came out. with a statement saying, well, that's not going to change your support, but you've got to do something about this. And the German foreign minister was more critical. Why do I see it's a good

new story? I can't imagine many countries in the middle of this kind of really, really tough battle allowing that kind of investigation to go forward, that president not shutting it down, not disposing of the investigators in ways of authoritarian leaders have of pushing journalists or investigators off the scene. So Lensky didn't do that. That's to me an amazing story, frankly, given the context that we just talked about. and if you live in a democratic society like we do, then I think you sit up and you pay attention

and you say something is going right there. Yeah. You know, I do agree with you on that, that it does look that way. Now, having said that, if they hadn't carried on the investigation and if they hadn't announced the results and they hadn't moved on certain people,

it's not like that wouldn't have gone, thought out. The Americans are all over this aspect of the story, right? The American investigators and whether it's the CIA or whoever, they have always been adamant about corruption in Ukraine. And they're not alone, as you pointed out. Other countries have had this fear as well. That it was considered, you know, before Zelensky and even that last election was kind of run around the whole issue of corruption. that Ukraine was the most corrupt country in the world and here since that election and with the Russian invasion

hundreds of billions of dollars supported to Ukraine and trying to monitor where it's all going who's getting it, who's hoarding it, who's moving it out of the country if anyone is a huge aspect to the story so

so I you know I agree with you this was important. Yeah. Yeah. And I look here, you know, the Americans are on the ground to, they have sources.

They, I don't know if they would have leaked it in public. They might have turned it up and ratcheted the pressure up on Zelensky. But what went on here and it, you know, absolutely transfixed

the Ukrainian domestic public even while the front line is wobbling and these horrible attacks on keep every day another story you know if you you know better than anybody if you want to build a story you don't you don't report the whole story in one day you do it over five or six and it builds and that's what these uh the anti-corruption bureau did here i mean i was watching i was absolutely amazed that they had enough confidence that they would have the time and that he or anybody else, he doesn't have to do it. There are other people on the more shadowy side of the government that in other regimes would have threatened people and this would have

stopped. It didn't stop. And I was at a international security meeting with one of these people and I was blown away by her because I said to her well what do you do if there's a big story and it's wartime and it's not going well and you need the support of the public she did not flinch not she did not flinch and she said right there. And this was nine months ago. She said there is no Ukraine unless we fix this. So there is a willingness there to take on anybody in the president's office.

That was going to signal they didn't want this. And they couldn't prevail, Peter. Okay. We've got to take our break. And we'll come back to a couple of the issues we want to get to as well. and we'll do that right after this. And welcome back, Peter Mansbridge here with the Monday episode of the bridge,

and that means, of course, Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School, the University of Toronto, and more discussions about our changing world. And, man, every week, there's something very different than the week before. You're listening on Sirius XM, Channel 16, Canada Talks are on your favorite podcast platform. Chatter is a dangerous word in our business

because there's always chatter around about something and trying to determine whether the chatter is real or just talk is always the challenge. So the chatter over the weekend, among other things, has been, as it has been for the last six, seven weeks has been about Venezuela. What's changed in the last six or seven weeks

is the Americans have really now put forward a huge force into the Caribbean off Venezuela. They've got their big aircraft carrier, the largest one in their fleet. The Jerry Ford is there. Thousands of troops are there. The tough talk out of Washington

about drug cartel and we're going to crush them. He's constant, it's almost daily. The Secretary of Defense, the U.S. Secretary of Defense, or, as he calls himself, the U.S. Secretary of War, has been waltzing around in and out of the area, pumping up the troops when he's not telling them to get rid of their beards. I wonder whether he actually tells the, you know, Special Forces guys,

that, because that is, that's a brand. you know they they own those anyway what do you make of the chatter that now that everything's in position could be close they could actually be about to do something rather than just blowing up boats

which they have yet to prove we're drug boats although it does seem like they quite likely were but what are you hearing or what are you thinking here so when I you know when I was look at a deployment like this, Peter, probably 20,000 troops both on these carriers and stationed another, on the ground, other places, you can't sustain this for weeks and weeks and weeks.

And so there's a kind of momentum. You use them where you pull them up and what, and you put it exactly right, chatter, shatter, shatter and but it gets to a volume sometimes where you set up and uh what's different about the chatter there's a timeline now after american thanksgiving which would make a lot of sense right you never disrupt somebody's holiday it's like you don't do anything about christmas ever that's not nice and you don't do it during american thanksgiving but that's just takes us two to three weeks out. And so when the talk started to turn to, well, after American Thanksgiving, that sounds

like they are prepared to go. You know, they have a legal advisory, 40 pages long now, which was written inside the Justice Department that Trump has done to show a number on, but the advisory only covers these attacks on boats and it only covers killing people on the boats it doesn't but i don't think it's a far stretch peter for this government to say well we're going to go aground um i i i will say i think it's going to be a much tougher fight than hegg says thanks and the wild card here the wild card is really interesting as Donald Trump. He doesn't want to get dragged into a war, right?

You know, the only time Donald Trump's agreed to use force was when he sent the sophisticated Air Force bombers to bomb Iranian nuclear installations. But what do we know about that, Peter? We know that he said to the Israelis 48 or 72 hours before, you clear the route you take out

anything that could fire at American bombers which they did so he had good reason to be confident that if he used force there would be no significant American casualties

in fact they were none because there was a 72 hour period before where anything that could fire was taken out. And these were very, very sophisticated bombers that could fly at very high altitudes. Anyway, that's not true here, Peter.

There are malicious, large numbers. Now, would American force prevail? It depends on what the objectives are. So, to me, I'm glad you brought it up because this is one to watch over the next few weeks.

I mean, obviously, if they're going to go into Venezuelan territorial space, it involves so much, you know. Yeah. It's, you know, like if you're bombing, like, what are you bombing? You know, are you going into enforced regime change? Well, then you've got to take out the airport. Right. You know, you've got to take your command and control.

I mean, it becomes a, this is not a quick in-and-out situation. No, I look from everything again, and again, these are leaks about leaks and Washington leaks all the time because, and they leak because they're opposed. That's why we get leaks because people inside don't want to do this. And so they leak. So to, exactly as you said, seize the airfields, which is crucial. and sees the oil fields, which we talked about before. But to take it a regime, there's this big city in Venezuela.

And that's a whole different story in terms of the kind of urban combat that could ensue. And we've seen this story, Peter, right? where it looks easy, but the militias are already organized and pre-positioned, and as soon as troops are on the ground, they become targets. I mean, that was the story of Iraq. And as you've pointed out a couple of times in the last few months, Maduro is not popular in his own country, but he's certainly not popular outside of his own country in South America.

and, you know, other South American countries have seen this movie before the Americans coming in and trying to manipulate everything and change the power structure. You know, what makes this story for Latin Americans so interesting is the Latin Americans have tried everything

to get Maduro out. They've tried everything, literally. They've tried every diplomatic process. that you can imagine. And they want him gone. They really do want him gone. But they don't want the Americans to be the ones who take him out. And where these governments will come down, I think for them, it'll be.

You know, again, I've seen this Middle East where leaders will come out and denounce this attempt. while privately hoping against hope that it succeeds. But they wouldn't go as far as some kind of joint force, some coalition of American countries.

No, they keep their dissents, they criticize the United States in public. But would they share intelligence? Yes. They really want him gone. They really want him gone. The Brits pulled back. from intelligence sharing.

That's an amazing story. Yeah, that's an amazing story, actually. And that's an amazing story because it sharpens the dilemma for Canada. The Brits, the Canadians, the Australians, and the New Zealand's. We have nicknames for each, but I won't use them because somebody will criticize me if we use these, these, you know, the Kiwis or the Aussies or whatever other names they use inside the five eyes and they do use them all the time that is the tightest club in the world of intelligence sharing you know almost everything gets shared particularly with britain and canada well for the

brits to announce in public that they have stopped sharing intelligence because they think these strikes against the boats are illegal and they do not want to be considered to implicit. I can't think of another example since 1939. That's how far back and how deep this relationship goes, that the Brits did this to the United States. That has to, and where does that leave us, Peter? Right. Right. Where does that leave Canada? If this, you know, again, I will say that there have been discussions since Donald Trump was re-elected and functionally decapitated the CIA for political reasons about what the other four eyes would do, how they would share information.

And they were particularly worried about the director of national intelligence, Pan Bondi, and with good reason. No, not that you mean Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi Gabbard, it's not, it's Tulsi Gabbard. And there's a good reason to worry about Tulsi Gabbard, right? There were discussions. How would we share amongst the four of us? What would we do in the event of this kind of situation? Well, the Brits went out ahead of everybody else here and set the standard.

I think we're extremely difficult for Canada. extremely difficult for Canada if this goes ahead in any meaningful way for us to continue I believe what an issue that would be for us yeah we're probably not going to know until after the Trump people are out of power just how much holding back has been going on within the five eyes I mean it is remarkable as you say that we the Brits you know went public and we're not going to share anything on that part of the world with the Americans. Never, never seen that picture. No.

We're almost out of time. I got a minute or so left. Just a quick update on the Gaza situation. I know it's hard to do a quick update on this, but, I mean, things have been going on in an attempt to further cement the ceasefire. You know, there are problems. violations of the ceasefire, but there seem to be a couple of things going on right now that may make a difference. The headline story here is Donald Trump has kept his focus.

Who thought that? He didn't just have the parade and turn around and go away and leave it all along. So we are now at the United Nations where an American resolution has been submitted and undergone revision three times. and it finally says the word and look how hedged conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway

to Palestinian self-determination and statehood have finally gone into the resolution with all those qualifications and the Qataris, the Egyptians, the Emirates of Saudi Arabians, the Indonesians, the Turks and the Pakistanis are all supporting resolutions. that is what I call inching forward

the Russians have a have a resolution much stronger but it has no chance I don't think of passing but there are these ongoing discussions the United States wants this resolution

passed by the end of the year an international force again some progress struggles about mandates, but some progress and an offer by of all groups, the European Union to train a Palestinian police force

that we're going in. So contrary to what many, many people expected, it has not ground to a halt. And it's way too slow. And if you saw those terrible pictures, Peter, of heavy rain in Gaza this week. And you're how content. withstand that and the rivers of mud you see how urgent the humanitarian situation continues to be

but there is small steps forward on the political conditions which ultimately will determine whether this just is a break or the ceasefire gets solidified don't want to put a damper on it but then yahoo of course is still saying no two-state solution You know what? What's really fascinating and it's all over the press in Israel, he's lost control of the process. He's not the decider. And it's no secret inside its own country.

Well, we will see how it plays out. He's being counted out before. I know. All right, Janet's wide, wide-ranging conversation and lots of good things in it and lots for us to think about. so thank you for this and we'll talk to you again in a week the next year Dr. Janice Stein

Monk School University of Toronto and as always we thank her so much for spending time with us on Mondays getting us up to a level of knowledge or understanding or discussion on some of the key aspects of things that are happening around our world

our changing world. So thanks to Dr. Stein. That's going to wrap it up for this day. Tomorrow it's Raj and Rousseau, who will be by. Today, later today is a key day, obviously, on the Ottawa parliamentary calendar because the big vote on the budget will take place. Will the government fall?

Or will there be weak knees in some of the opposition parties who claimed that they were going to vote against it? But, well, we'll see what they end up. doing when the votes are counted later today. I think it's early evening the vote actually takes place. But we'll talk about that with Raj and Russo tomorrow on their every second week get-together, alternating with more butts who had another great discussion last week as well. So we'll do that tomorrow and we look forward to having you join us on the bridge on Tuesday.

Wednesday is, well, I'm not sure what we'll be doing this week. It may be an N-bit special, or it may be an encore, we'll see. Thursday's your turn. You heard the question at the top of the program. It's different this week, so please, if you missed it, rewind, and listen to it, because it's a good one. It relates to AI. That's Thursday for your turn, along with the Random Renter, and, of course, Friday is good talk with Bruce Anderson and Shantelli Bear.

That's going to do it today. I'm Peter Mansbridge. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you again in 24 hours.