The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge - Venezuela to Greenland to .... Canada?

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Mondays on The Bridge mean Dr Janice Stein, and this week she outlines her theory about what was really happening behind the scenes in Venezuela as the Americans arrived. Also, more talk about why Canada should be worried and also ready. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here. You're just moments away from the latest episode of the bridge. It's Monday. That means Dr. Janice Stein. Lots to talk about coming right up. Yes, another week starts. It's Monday. Dr. Janice Stein is with us here on the bridge,

the director of the Monk School of the University of Toronto. And there has lots to talk about from Venezuela to China to Iran. And we'll do it all in just a few moments' time. But first of all, the normal Monday housekeeping that takes place. Giving you some heads up about Thursday's program, your turn, and the random ranter. Hopefully he'll be back this week. He had the flu last week.

Can I change things a little bit? Instead of a question for your turn about some particular current issue, there have been a number of, I get a lot of mail, right? You get a lot of mail. And there are a lot of questions about how the program works and the decisions are made. And of my past, about various things from my days in the CBC, all of which I'm proud of and glad to talk about it. So this week, kind of as a one-off, we may do it occasionally.

We'll see how it goes. The number of you have suggested that we do a, an AMA program. Ask me anything, right? You see a number of podcasters who do this on occasion. And this week, we're going to do it right here on the bridge. So ask me anything literally means that. Doesn't mean you're going to get an answer depending on what the question is. But I'll certainly have a look at the questions. As I said, they can be about literally anything that relates somehow to me or the bridge. So ask the question, I'll try and give the answer.

And depending on how many questions come in, you may or may not make the on-air edition. So let's see. Let's see how things go on this. It's a test case, right? So we'll do that for this Thursday. Ask me anything. You can send your question to the Mansbridge podcast at gmail.com.

Here's what does not change. it's still got to be 75 words or less or fewer, sorry, 75 words or fewer. And usually you should be able to make this fairly straightforward in terms of a question. Include your name and the location you're writing from. And please have your entries in by at the latest 6pm Eastern Time on Wednesday. So ask me anything this week on the bridge. All right, let's get to the story at hand and the program at hand, which of course is Monday with Dr. Janice Stein.

And I think you'll find this very interesting. You certainly found last week's interesting, and this is in some ways a continuation of that, but with some new issues entering the picture as well. So let's get things started with Dr. Janice Stein from the Mug School at the University of Toronto. All right, Janice, let's start with Venezuela. And your theory now about what really happened on the weekend of the invasion? I think there were deep collusion between the administration.

and Delcee Rodriguez long before it happened. Now, what's confirmed, Peter? What's confirmed as conversations were going on for two or three months, the administration has acknowledged that, which would be consistent. The second thing, and I noticed this last Saturday or Sunday, when I was watching the chronology of the attack, the United States used a cyber weapon to take out all the lights in Caracas. And yet Maduro was not in a safe house once the lights went out.

It was just inconceivable. You can't make sense of that. It still took time after the lights went out for those helicopters to fly, land on the ground of the presidential palace. and yet the people closest to him did not. Soon they must have been told that the lights were out in Caracas, the electricity was down. He was trying to get in a safe house when those commandos reached him. There's no conceivable way that made sense. People close in must have been, frankly,

bought off or compromised. The third thing is that once those helicopters took off from the presidential past, to go back to Wewo Jima, yes, the lights were out, and yes, the anti-aircraft missiles had been taken out in those strikes. That's where all the casualties were. None of the aerial assets that Venezuela had chased those helicopters. Well, you know, that's a hell of a conspiracy, quite frankly, because I'm not denying it for that possibility, but the fact is a lot of people had to know for some considerable amount of time. We're talking about Maduro, the president, basically being isolated from his vice president, the number two. but she obviously had people that knew what was going on as well,

including her equally powerful husband. And by the way, to argue against it for just a minute, the Minister of the Interior, Cavallo was very, very close to Majuro and more hard-line than Delci Rodriguez. But, you know, let's just add one more. A fact of the story, half the people that were killed, and he talked, were Cubans.

So they were the, half the people who stepped up and put their lives at risk at that point were Cubans, which tells you something to, about the Venezuelan security forces that were tasked to protect material. So where does it leave things now? So here's why this matters. And I could have gotten some of the details wrong for sure. But why am I so interested? If there was collaboration, I mean, clearly there was with Delci Rodriguez beforehand. There were conversations.

What does this tell us about the future? That the administration reaches in inside the country, has good intelligence, looks for partners long before something happens. And so this is a weakening of potential resistance inside a country before it gets to a level where it's public and everybody's aware of it. I think Canada really needs to take note. We have a very open society. We know we have disinformation problems in this country.

We are a member of the five eyes, which are the five closest allies who gather intelligence and share. That's Canada, the United States, Britain, New Zealand, Australia. We do not spy on each other. Yeah, sure we don't. Yeah. And the Canadians will certainly tell you over and over every time you ask them, we do not spy on the United States. We don't report on the United States.

That's not our job. I don't think this country knew beforehand the details of what was happening in Venezuela. That's fine if you're not. not worried about interference or engagement with willing partners inside Canada in the event that Donald Trump ever turned his attention to Canada. It's not fine if you're worried about that. I think there are big implications for Canada from this whole story. Well, let me, I'll say.

Let me just go on two things, first of all. The Americans spent two months. When's the first show we did? September about what was going on in Venice, where. Yeah. So two or three months, they spent telling us this was all about drugs.

Yeah. And in the week since the invasion, they've said nothing about drugs. It's all being about oil. Right. It's about resources, right? It's about two things for them. Because they, you know,

they fall on up with Greenland, literally, hours the presence started on Greenland, which is after all part of the Arctic, right? In the biggest sense of the world, it's part of the Arctic. And it's about two things. It's about resources, which is what the Trump team has talked about nonstop since the, and since Maduro was captured. And it's about real estate.

You know, when Donald Trump was asked, why he won't real estate, he's vital for our national security. We don't want any foreigners controlling assets, and he really meets China there and Russia. And it's a big piece of territory. That's how he thinks about things. If his attention is turning toward the Arctic and toward resources, that's where I think this really matters to Canada. I 100% agree with you on that for sure. But I guess my point about drugs versus oil is, you know, we often have this discussion about what to believe in terms of what Trump says. But this is yet another example of why should we believe anything he says when he spent all that time talking about drugs and drug boats and all of that. Yeah.

And then after he does it, it's all about oil. So I don't think you and I paid attention to what was happening in the Caribbean and the Pacific Ocean because of what Trump said, we paid attention because of the assets he was deploying there. And it was inconceivable to either of us that he would continue to ramp up the military assets he had there and not use them in one way or another. I think it's so important for Canadians that we understand. Exactly. You know, just to segue for one minute, under the treaty that the United States has with Greenland and Denmark, it has a very small base there. You used to have considerably more, right? That's right.

20 or so different bases now they have, I think, one. One. Right. It could expand those bases. Yeah. And if it were really about military security, he could go into a serious negotiation. They could expand those bases. He's not doing that. He's talking nonstop about the need for the United States to control Greenland for national security purposes. So it's about other things rather than national security. But he's relentless. He's sending the message over and over and over and over. again, to the point where Denmark and Greenland are really alarmed now. Our Arctic sits between that, them, and what he's talking about. It's the only way I can see the world right now.

Well, if he had Greenland, he would certainly have a stranglehold on that part of the Arctic, you know, from Alaska to Greenland. Yeah. He's got the neck, which is. us which is us sites yeah that's right and and just to cycle back from now how do i connect these stories this was a pretty sophisticated operation they did the politics beforehand right they got her on side that's beyond dispute nobody would dispute that um i've seen the satellite pictures because you know if there's public satellite providers now and you subscribe and you get to satellite

pictures. And it's really, to me, incomprehensible that the Venezuelans did nothing except use some anti-aircraft fire, which was taken out. And that's where those 80 to 100 people. So 50 or so died because the anti-aircraft fire, and then Cubans died because they were the close in security detail for the president. They had excellent intelligence, and the lack of resistance was absolutely stunning. So to ask a hypothetical, what would we do? Exactly. And I think that question is being asked more and more now.

It's certainly being asked publicly by Canadians at large. And one assumes the government is asking this customer. of its own defense forces. Yes. So let me ask you this. If Trump went ahead on Greenland in some fashion, whether it's buying it, renting it, invading it, doing whatever, let's think for a moment that he achieves that goal.

And let's face it, he doesn't have a lot of time. Everything's on a fast move right now because he's only got three years left in his his term. I think six months actually, because the midterms. Right. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's think for a moment that he achieves that goal of Greenland.

And then obviously everybody's going to be looking at us. Yeah. And that's why one asks, what are we doing now? Right. One of the things that I wonder about, and I've raised this with some of my friends inside the military, I mean, we have integrated militaries right now. We do a lot of things with the Americans. In fact, we operate in the Caribbean with the Americans on a legitimate anti-drug thing.

Yes. But there's a lot more to it than that. We're in space with the Americans, we have joint exercises all the time. We've been more to get overseas, domestically. We have a joint operation, Marat, supposedly protecting North America. Should we be thinking about this integrated military union that we have? I mean, it's kind of unheard of off to even raise the topic, but I mean, where are we going here?

Well, that's why this is so urgent, right? This is an urgent conversation because you already identified a very short time. line for Trump. So either we don't need to do anything because we somehow make it pass the midterms and nothing happens and that's the end of it and we don't have to worry about it or we need to be investing in assets right now that we could use if we need independent assessments of what would be going on in the high north that could that the Americans would. we're doing that what would really matter to us. We can't get that if we're in integrated arrangements.

It's very difficult. And what makes this more difficult than that's why this is such a tough problem for us. And you know this from talking to your friends who are involved in these joint exercises. These are really deep personal relationships that Canadian, senior Canadian military have with senior American military, who might suspect want no part of any of this, the American military who are operating with us and would find this very painful and difficult. So it's really hard to have those conversations.

So what independent assets do we need, Peter, fast in the Arctic, to make sure that we have state-of-the-art just in time, capacity to evaluate what the United States is doing, which is outside these integrated pathways that we have with the United States. And we're very good in space, as you know, very, very good in space. Well, you know, you're, you ask the question. So answer it. Well, you know, I think we have to enhance what we're doing in space. We have really good Canadian companies here who could stand things up very quickly.

We need to double down on the sensors that we have, both underwater and on the water, which are ours, not fully integrated. And we have to step up our intelligence activities. For example, it would make perfect sense now to cooperate with the Norwegian suite and the fins. on the assessments that they have and that they are engaging. The Norwegians are full on about the high article right now

for a whole variety of reasons. And so are the Danes. So we have partners that are not the United States until the situation clarifies itself. Is there any indication that you've heard that we're having those kind of discussions? Look, I can't believe we're not. Let me put it this way.

But we are stepping out of our normal comfort zone. So if we are, they're certainly going to tell you and me they are. You know, our own people will not. I understand that. But this really requires us to step outside our comfort zone and do things that we have not done. And it's an incredibly fast timeline for the military. for the Prime Minister's office to get their heads around

a different direction than we've gone in the past and to recognize the kind of ruthlessness is the best way to describe last weekend. They were ruthless. They planned it, they executed it, they executed on it.

They did the politics, They're not famous for doing so that Donald Trump could come out literally 4 o'clock in the morning or 4.30 and they were, you know, or the first press conference at 11 o'clock and said, we're going to work with Dulci Rodriguez. That cake was baked. That's the time he had his press conference. You know, a lot of what happened in the weeks and months leading up to that was done by the CIA internally in Venezuela. The CIA is stationed all over the world, right? Yes. Including.

Yes. Yes. Even though they tell us that it's not. And even though we tell them that we don't have any sources that report on them. Every embassy and every consulate probably has somebody who is aligned or associated or employed by the CIA. That's just the way it is. And as you said, we have done the same. thing and do the same thing with CIS in different places in the world.

So let me ask you two questions. Do you trust Donald Trump? No. Okay. Do you trust the United States? And how can you make a separation on that? What this weekend showed me, which is why I come out of it, this last past weekend, not the last one, but the one before, is the CIA had been really badly damaged by Donald Trump.

There was a serious, very high-level resignations, Peter. Some of the best people left because they were on a list, frankly. And that list was comprised of people who had stood up to him and criticized him in the past. And they were some of the most skilled people in that agency. So you would expect really that it would be degraded in its performance, which is really what I thought when you take out the first and second tier people and some of the very best. It usually takes time for an agency to reconstitute it.

Wow. When you look at that performance in Venezuela, whatever you think of the right or wrong of it, It was a superbly professional performance that the CIA put in. That tells me there's not a lot of internal resistance. Right. And that surprised me, frankly. The quality of the professional performance surprised me and the fact that there was almost no resistance, surprised me.

General Kane was part of the. show in that press conference at 11 o'clock the next morning. I think it would be prudent for Canada not to count too much on resistance inside. Yikes. How did the hell we ever get here? You know what I mean? How did all this happen? Yeah.

Because a lot of people weren't looking out for what was going on is how it happened. And he surprised everybody, Peter, Donald Trump, right? He really has. He shocked Europe. I know, but when you look back at his first term, some of the things he did, you can start to see there was a plan emerging. I mean, he was down on NATO from the beginning. Remember how he stood in front of that new building

and complained about all the money that was spent and that it was all American money and nobody else was contributing and what do we have NATO for anyway and blah blah blah blah blah and when you look back at that now you go okay so there actually was there was always a plan he may have cooked it up with Putin who knows but it was there and it's happening now I mean if he goes into Greenland that's it for NATO yeah yeah and you know what what doesn't make sense Peter what doesn't make sense and you know we've all in a sense, we talked about it this way, that it's because Donald Trump has put the pressure on all of us, and it's certainly true in our case that we've increased our defense spending.

And we were lagged. There's no question about it. But even the Europeans have pushed it up. But where's that money gone? It's gone to the United States. So to talk about the fact that the United States has floated all our boats is actually not correct if you follow the money. when we were spending one and a half percent or whatever it was under Prime Minister Trudeau, 75 percent of what we spent went to the United States to buy weapons. That is true for most of NATO. So if you look at NATO from that perspective, NATO is a profit-making enterprise for the United States.

So why he was down on it, and I don't think he paid enough attention to the business case, frankly. Well, he should be finding that out now with countries like Canada, you know, looking at the Griffin instead of the F-35, ships made in submarines made in, you know, Germany or Sweden or Korea, and the list goes on. And those are probably going to happen. And he probably looks out the window today and sees Carney about to go to China.

and, you know, they tell us nothing's already worked out. This is just, you know, nice pictures and an opportunity for the two leaders to talk. I got to believe there's more than that to this trip. Prime ministers don't go on big, splashy public trips, which is what this trip will be if there's not something to announce at the end of the trip. and it's it's not a trip that will make Donald Trump happy. It can't, right? No, I mean, he'll be, he'll be, he must be outraged.

He certainly must be upset. If there's any chance of some big deal being cooked up. And, you know, I don't have big the deal is. They're saying no, no, no, no. The Canadians, there's no big deal. But the fact of the trip, you know, the last time that Canada was there was under Prime Minister Trudeau early on in his term. That's a long time, Peter.

You know, one more threat to draw as we connect the pieces here was watching Claudia Shinebomb respond to the attack on Venezuela. You know, Canadians are having a rightly very intense discussion about the United States as frankly alarm gross about what Donald Trump does and what it means for us. And did she walk a tightrope? She was more careful than our prime minister has been. Her criticism was very muted. And he made some comments about Mexico last weekend, which were very alarming to her team.

but she did a version of what our prime minister does, which is don't poke the bear, don't escalate this, hold your fire, and worked with her team for two or three days until they watched with relief as the conversation switched to Greenland. That's where we all are in all of this. You know, we're also, I've got to take a break here, but just the last point on this, we're also in this continuing image that you've been painting for us for the last year of the changing world order. Yeah.

And it's pretty clear, I think, to everybody now, we are definitely in that position. But somebody wrote me a letter the other day with an interesting question is, How often does it happen that the world order changes? When's the last time the world order change? Are we so sorry pre-Second World War? No, later than that, but not often, Peter, right? And people get very used to the way the particular order that they're in works. So when did the last time it changed for 1989?

Right. Right on 991, when the Soviet Union, Berlin Wall came down, Soviet Union disappeared, and we all knew it was changing. And you remember Charlie Codhammer, a Canadian, who a journalist, a very, very good one, who lived in the United States, and said the unipolar moment, right?

The United States had no arrival. China was still early on. It was 10 years after it opened. The Soviet Union, you know, had a, fragmented Russia was frankly on its knees. There was no challenge to the United States. Those were the Clintiers when what the United States went, but all around the world. That was the last time. From 1989, the previous time was 1945. So twice only in the last 75 years. And the Venezuela operation,

and the release of that National Security Strategy document. That was the warning light openly. Third time, that's all. Okay. And that famous liberal rules-based order that Canadians talk about with such affection as they should, because it's good for a small country, probably lasted altogether 75 years

in the whole history. It's a short time. Okay. We're going to take our break, and then we'll be back, and we better talk about Iran. We'll do that right after this. And welcome back. You're listening to The Bridge for this Monday,

and Monday's on the bridge means Dr. Janice Stein from the University of Toronto's Munk School. You're listening on Sirius XM, Channel 167, Canada Talks, are on your favorite podcast platform. All right, Iran. Wow. Wow is right. Some of these demonstrations that we've witnessed all weekend,

and they've been huge and in many different places, it seems the world order or the national order in Iran is about, it could very easily be toppled. Although many experts are saying, be careful, Be careful, assuming too much. But when you see that many people on the streets and that kind of chaos and a U.S. president threatening to get involved if it gets out of hand, and it seemed at times on the weekend that it was out of hand. So huge demonstrations, Peter, huge, huge demonstrations.

And, you know, there is a total Internet blackout. This is the most extensive blackout that you. Iran has ever imposed by far. And where are we getting the videos from, which is an interesting story in itself. Starlink, they have been able to jam Starlink with very, because you have to jam from space. You have to obstruct because Starlink operates in space. It's really Russian and Chinese technology that could conceivably do that. But we're seeing for the first time that it's possible everybody is sitting up and taking notice of that, but it's intermittent. So it goes in and out.

So all those videos that we're seeing are coming from moments when Starlink connects back in and people use their terminals. That's the only way we're getting any really good information out, aside from people who have embassies in Tehran. And we don't, as you know, The second thing is, the Republican guards have said we're coming out, and there have been some besiege, which are ultra-milent militia. There have been some besieged deaths.

But if you see the videos, they are not charging their crowds in the way that they did before. So the real question of whether they succeed or not, it's a confidence issue. If there are elements within the regime that have lost confidence, and why would that be that they've lost confidence? Well, let's go back to the attack on Iran that took place in the fall, last fall, both by the Israelis and the Americans. And, you know, what happened during that attack? Leave out the U.S. bombers that came through a corridor that, frankly, the Israelis had cleared. Because Trump goes when he's been told that the likelihood of casualties very low. And that's an important thing for us to remember, too.

But what happened before is the Mossat began. to kill prominent Iranians in the guards, particularly in the guards and in the nuclear industry. And it revealed to the Iranians how infiltrated their security services were and their military were. That absolutely saps confidence. You know, you're talking to the next person over and you don't know if that person's compromised, if they will betray you when the moment comes, I think that attack is absolutely critical to understand what we're seeing today.

If the administration, if the Republican guards, because that's what it is and the Basin, it's not the regular army, if they blink and we're seeing crowds of this order of magnitude, the regime could fall. This is the most serious moment for this regime

since 1979. There's no question about it. And if the protesters can endure because there is over we're hearing from inside around there's no official numbers but there's a hundred and twenty five plus

who have already been killed in the demonstration. But given the sides of those crowds and they've arrested some 2,500 people. If the regime fell, what would that? So look, you know, we can have the, which one of us would have said before, if Maduro were removed, that we would be dealing with Dulce Rodriguez as his successor.

No one, no one, not me, almost no one. So what can happen here? That's why that Venezuelan story is so interesting. there could be elements of a Republican guards that do not want to face a further attack by the United States that recognize and some that are not huge fans of the clerics over the years who signal that they are open to a deal and so you get a change and in the Iranian case I think it would be

a regime change because it would remove the supreme leader and the council that chooses a supreme leader, but it could still be a Republican guard-led regime. That would appeal to the Americans, as we now know. It's not as much mess. Don't worry about democracy. Don't worry about democratic transition, none of that messy stuff. Well, the one word you never hear out of Donald Trump these days is democracy. Never. Never. Never. Never.

No. I'm hearing it now. So, you know, I caution people don't assume that if this regime falls in the Iranian, you know, the Iranian civic engagement is just astonishing, frankly, that people in this order of magnitude are willing to go out into the streets and risks their lives. night after night after night like this. It's astonishing, frankly. Do they get the democratic transition that they want?

If the regime blinks here, hard to say, you know. As you said, we haven't seen demonstrations in Iran like this since 1979. There have been moments. There have been big demonstrations in Iran over the years, but not since 79. And in 79, it was because the Shah of Iran. his regime finally was under the pressure of the people who wanted him out and wanted him gone and wanted a whole new regime. And that's how they got the Ayatollah. And they brought him back from Paris.

And we remember the demonstrations that led to that and the celebrations and the streets and everything, which made it so ironic that the other day I saw a picture in the paper of the Shaw's son. Looks like him too. It looks like him too. Like him too. Saying this could be the future. They could bring him back. I don't know whether that's in any way.

You know, one of the reasons that it's been so tough in Iran is that the opposition is leaderless. You know, there's not, you can't in Iran. So there haven't been organized political parties. And it's a faceless, leaderless opposition. And so it's very hard. So you're seeing two things inside Iran from some of the scarce videos that are coming out that are bootleg that I've never seen. One Iranians are putting up street signs, Donald Trump Street.

Now, who would have thought that, right? The second is when Reza Pallavi, the son of the Shah, issued a call on Thursday evening, go into the street and demonstrate this is the moment. That's when those demonstrations surged. So he would have to go back, Peter. He'd have to leave the United States. Three years now.

He'd have to go back. He'd have to go back as close to Iran as he could, and ideally inside the country. And then he's his transitional figure, right? You remember when the Shaw left, his father left. back in 1970. There was a transitional ruler,

Bachtier. And Khomeini came back from Paris at that time at Bacchior and then came the clerical revolution. It's not inconceivable at this point

that were he to go back and show that he's willing to put his own life at risk because he would be. he could be the transitional figure. Anything is possible. Well, if anything's possible,

I hope you never have to look out your window and see the street in front of your place renamed Donald Trump Street. You know, this for sure, Peter, is the closest Iranians have ever come. And by the way, what's driving it? they're the price of groceries. And there's tremendous rapid inflation.

So it's not a niche opposition. It's not about women's job. It's not about human rights. It's this massive inflation. And no drinking water. And electricity blackouts. That's what's finally pushed people over the edge of the streets. This is going to be really hard for the administration,

for the regime to push back on it. Okay. We're going to leave it at that. for this week. There's never a blank spot here of things to talk about. Every Monday is important to set us right

for the week. At least give us an understanding of what we're facing. Thanks, Janice. We'll talk to you again in seven days. Yeah, next week. Another stimulating Monday session with Dr. Janice Stein from the Monk School at the University of Toronto.

Hope you enjoyed it. And I know that you do. I know that Mondays are a big deal for many of you. And we appreciate that. I look at, you know, I look at the numbers, as they say. I look at the download pattern for podcasts.

I look at the Sirius XM radio. I look at YouTube on Fridays when we do good talk. There's a chance we may be able to move. It depends on a number of things, but there's a chance we'll be able to do a YouTube version of the Tuesday show soon. And Tuesdays, as you know, like tomorrow, tomorrow will be the Raj Russo, a reporter's notebook, Althea Raj and Rob Russo,

which will be interesting because Rob is going on the plane to China, it tomorrow with Prime Minister Carney to cover him. Althea is, actually Althea is on holidays, but she doesn't want to miss the program. Or I think she's just back from holidays. A couple of weeks in the sun in the Caribbean. I'm sure she wrote it off as, you know, investigating invasion of Venezuela from my listening post in whatever Caribbean island she was on. No, you can't do that, and we wouldn't do that.

Anyway, we'll have them tomorrow, but they alternate Tuesdays with the Moore-Buds Conversations, another great one last week. So the hope is that Tuesdays will become a YouTube program as well, that's a Friday's good talk. But all those numbers are showing incredible interests. the numbers of sword, even in the last year, and continue to do so.

Another big week last week for the Monday copy of the bridge, like today's, last week's with Dr. Stein. Okay, that's going to wrap it up. Keep in mind the question of the week. AMA, ask me anything. So think about that and send it in to the Mansfich podcast at gmail.com. remember 75 words or fewer. You have to have your name and the location you're writing from in there.

And did I say, yes, that must be in by 6 p.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday. All right, that's it. Tomorrow, Raj Russo, the reporter's notebook. Hope you'll join us. I'm Peter Mansbridge. Thanks so much for listening. Talk to you again in just under 24 hours.