The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge - Your Turn: Spring Forward and Fall Back or Forget About It!

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

The annual clock change that most Canadians have done for almost a century may be slowly coming to an end. How do you feel about that?That was the question this week for our listeners, and as usual, they delivered a range of answers. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And hello there, Peter Mansbridge here. You're just moments away from the latest episode of The Bridge. It's Thursday. That means the random renter. It also means your turn. And we've got some great answers from you on this question about time change. That's coming right up. That's right.

The question of the week this week was all about time change. You know, spring forward, fall back. Have you had it with that? twice a year changing the clocks. Well, it seems a lot of people have had it with it. And they want change. They want it constant. They don't want to be messing around with the clocks twice a year.

So we asked that question. What do you think about the time change issue? And we got some great answers. We got some smart answers. We got some funny answers. We got some, well, we just got a whole round. range of answers. And the rancers here as well. Where there's your usual Thursday time slot. Okay, let's get at it. We start with Sean Bennett in Saskatoon. It's never often that I feel

Saskatchewan is on the cutting edge of anything, but being sensible about not changing the clocks is top of the list. I never understood why everyone else ignored the easiest solution to a made-up problem. Okay, a little background here. Saskatchewan used to be the only province that never changed its clocks. In 1966, it enacted the Time Act to stay on permanent central standard time. Before that, time in the province was determined by municipalities, which met a bunch of time zones all over the place. Some border communities, however, did change their clock so they could be in sync with a neighboring province, either Manitoba, of course, to the east or Alberta to the west. Peter Millett also in Saskatchewan. He's in Cadillac, Saskatchewan. That's about 40 miles south

of swift current. Speedy Creek. Stop changing the clocks, says Peter. That was done for the farmers to work later in the evening. It's not required anymore because farmers now have machinery with lights to work later in the evening. Well, that's true. They certainly work later in the evening. Some of them work all night. It's not just on the prairies, and it's not just in Canada.

Here in Scotland, I see the same thing, right on the field next to me. The fellow was up there late into the night, lights blaring, doing his harvesting. However, Peter, we did a little research and it seems the link between daylight savings time and farmers is a myth. The first implementation of daylight saving time occurred in Germany in 1916 as a way to conserve cold usage during World War I. In 1918, the Canadian government introduced daylight saving time as a way to increase production during wartime.

The thinking was that if the summer sunlight lasts longer into the evening, it's one hour less of darkness that will need to be lit, cooled, or heated. With the end of the First World War, the federal government ended daylight saving time, but picked it up again during the Second World War. In fact, during the Second World War, daylight saving time was used all year round in Canada. As for farmers, many are still opposed to daylight saving time. That's because it disrupts a farmer's carefully orchestrated schedule. For instance, if dairy cows are used to be milked at 5 in the morning, moving the clock back an hour in the fall actually moves their milking time back an hour,

and livestock cannot understand why they're waiting another hour to be milked. Those cows, they're smart. Farmers would rather just use the sun and the seasons to determine milking times, planting charts, and the best time to harvest. Tim Lawrence in St. Thomas, Ontario. That's just a little bit south of London, Ontario. Home of Jumbo the Elephant. It wasn't really home. It's home now to a huge statue of Jumbo.

Jumbo actually died in St. Thomas, hit by a train. Star of the Circus. That's where he met his fate. St. Thomas, Ontario. Anyway, Tim writes, ended. We're not an agricultural society, and I've often heard that even farmers dislike it because it means changing feeding schedules, right? You just heard it in the letter before this. Even if they supported it, should roughly 2% of the population decide something this fundamental for the other 98%. That would be like a political party winning less than 30% of the vote and saying that's a mandate to push for a separation referendum. Oh, wait a minute. That's right. The PQ won 28% of the vote on Monday night, 59 seats. That's spectacular seat count for a relatively low,

underline, relatively low, popular vote with a relatively small proportion of the vote, is an interesting contrast to the first election the PQ ran in 1970. It won 23% of the vote and came away with just seven seats, sparking widespread calls for a better electoral system. Of course, the system hasn't changed, and it appears that the PQ was the beneficiary of the system this time. Next letter up is Tim Stott in Minnesota, Manitoba. Manitoba's decided to stay on permanent daylight saving time and will not turn clocks back on November 1st. Tim writes,

Not sure how I feel about staying on daylight saving time permanently. I've never not had to change clocks twice a year. one thing I won't enjoy is it being dark till 9.30 in the morning. Time will tell, I guess. You know, I've lived in a lot of places where it's dark at 9.30 in the morning. Churchill, Manitoba, for one. And, you know, here in the northern part of Scotland, I'm way up in the highlands. You get the benefit in the summer of daylight, you know, 20 hours a day.

You can still be golfing here at midnight in June. Not so much this time of year. Scott Gilmore in Lanceville, BC, that's on Vancouver Island, just north of the Nymole. BC has decided to stay on daylight saving time year-round, based on a survey which gave many options, but not the option, to cease time changes and stay on Pacific standard time. That is what I would vote for.

standard time year-round. Soon half my morning will be in the dark. I looked up sunrise time in Lanceville. Well, I didn't mark it. On November 2nd, 2025, sunrise was at 704 a.m. This year, on November 2nd, the sun will rise at 808 a.m. Sunrise marks the first moment of the edge of the sun coming over the horizon. Generally, it takes another hour for full daylight. Of course, the sun will set later. This year on November 2nd, it will set in Lanceville at 5.51 p.m. John Minchell in Comox Valley, BC, and John writes, John writes almost every week.

Changing the clocks is not really a matter of good or bad, but is a matter of consistency. It's more than everyone can communicate with each other. well and work well across the time zones and not be disrupted by one part of the country being off from another and therefore causing delays or inability of one group to interact with another across time zone borders john walsh in dallas texas time zones should be the best reasonable approximation of the sun's height at noon accounting for political boundaries and practical limits. If they don't work for a given organization, they should adjust their hours.

Standard time year-round is best, because daylight savings is a gimmick with empty promises and certainly doesn't work in winter. Disappointing to see Manitoba go to daylight savings year-round, which also creates this crazy Western Ontario zone. You know, northwestern Ontario. Yep. What John is referring to is the fact that some areas of Western, and northern Ontario, including Canora, Thunder Bay, Dryden, Fort Francis. Oh, I could list a dozen more. Because that used to be my turf back in the early 1970s. I covered northwestern Ontario from Thunder Bay to the Manitoba border.

And there are lots of great small communities in there. And in the summer, it is fantastic. I go out there to do stories and end up fishing a lot. walleye or pickerel if you want to call them that uh to fort francis these all these communities are economically linked closely to manitoba and they have always been in manitoba's time zone but now they will move their clocks back in a few weeks but manitoba won't so when it's noon in toronto and winnipeg it'll be 11 a.m. in canora thunder bay in communities around there yeah it's got to be really weird wendy cecil in toronto

I love springing ahead and falling back. Our bodies soon adjust. Shorter days signal that crisp, colorful days of autumn are at hand, and winter's cold outside and coziness inside will soon follow. In spring, when we embrace longer days, it's an exciting invitation to step out and celebrate the light. These small signals are magical. I would miss them terribly if the seasonal advance,

the retreat of our clocks, stopped. Steve Roussel. in Burlington, Ontario. There are no great choices. Move to standard time. Losing the hour of evening daylight in the summer will hurt hospitality businesses. Move to daylight savings time.

In the north and in the western most parts of time zones, winter mornings won't get light until mid-morning. The status quo experience a brief but significant rise in excess deaths during the springtime. So listen, Mark Bulgich, my co-opause, and chief investigative journalist for the bridge. Mark writes, I leave through a bunch of studies on the health effects

of moving our clocks back and forth. Some studies found an increase in deaths in the days after we move the clocks forward, maybe because people sleep for one hour less, and fewer deaths in the days after we move the clocks back because we get an extra hour of sleep. Some studies find changes in the pattern of death, more car accidents, fewer heart attacks, but no increases or decreases overall.

It's safe to say that the science is not settled on this issue. Nancy Barbosa in Winnipeg. As a Manitoba, I'm thrilled we're staying on daylight savings time. We're already on it for eight months of the year. It makes sense to just stay on it year-round and have more daylight in the evening during winter. Sandy Esposito in Aurora, Ontario, that's just north of Toronto. It's high time we stop changing the clocks every fall and spring. The biannual shift takes a real toll on our health and well-being,

and it's especially hard on young children whose daily routines get completely disrupted. Whatever historical reasons were once used to justify springing forward and falling back, simply no longer fit how we live today. It's an outdated tradition, and it's time to leave it behind. Julie Smith Allen in Lethbridge, Alberta. I'm curious to see how it will go here in Alberta on permanent daylight saving time, with no more clock changes. The fall time change always reminded me of my dear late husband, Stu.

I left a reminder note in the kitchen several years ago, said, fall back. And Stu added on the bottom, and I will catch you. Oh my God. Julie, that's such a great letter. That's such a great letter. Good for Stu. Constance Menzies in Narrow, Manitoba.

Recently, 72,000 Manitobans were surveyed, including me, with 92% favoring ending seasonal time changes. Good outcome, as I much prefer, more light at the end of the day in winter. Darkness at 6pm instead of 5pm. During winter months, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec will have the same time. Well, almost. There is that northwestern Ontario issue. Many studies regarding sunlight in morning or evening,

but most can agree changing the clocks twice a year is an unnecessary. pain. Ruthie Muller in Toronto. Time is difficult enough to live with, especially as we age. Time movement disrupts our internal body temperature, which can hurt our body organs. Don't mess with

time. Keep it simple. Ken Peloshock in Newstad, Ontario. Here's what I propose. We switch to the Unix timestamp. And I went. Unix. timestamp? What's that? So of course, Mark has written that in here. The Unix timestamp is a way to track time as a running total of seconds.

This count started on January 1st, 1970. It's currently 179-1-3-716 at the time of Mark Redding. this little note. That way we can leave it up to AI to tell us when to boot up, consume nourishment, and process data in our cubicle pods. Good luck with that. Guess who?

In Fanny Bay, British Columbia, Marilyn Wallace writes, Morning light signals the human circadian rhythm that it is time to start the day. However, much of being, BC will have continuous daylight time, with darker mornings for a third of the year. Children will go to school in the dark. Also, late evening light disrupts melatonin production and affects sleep cycles.

Standard time would have avoided that. While I'm happy to leave the clocks alone, I believe there was a better choice. Don Dufour in Ottawa. After 60 plus years of the clock, the semi-annual clock changing. I'm fully entrenched in the routine, and it doesn't phase me in the least. Having said that,

I'm fully in favor of doing away with this ritual for two reasons. First, I won't have to listen to my husband complain about it anymore. That's always good reason. And second, Ontario would demonstrate leadership and independence from New York State,

as it struggles to make the same decision. What does that mean? It means this. In 2020, the Ontario legislature passed Bill 214 that says Ontario will do away with daylight saving time if New York and Quebec do the same. I guess we're waiting on that. Edwin Platt in Three Hills, Alberta.

That's an hour and a half northeast of Calgary. How many hills do you think they have in three hills, Alberta? Permanent standard time keeps our clocks more closely aligned with the sun. Under standard time, solar noon occurs around 12 p.m. Daylight saving time moves the clocks one hour ahead, pushing solar noon closer to 1 p.m. Permanent daylight time would make that artificial shift year-round. Standard time also gives us earlier morning sunlight Which better supports circadian rhythms

Sleep and alertness By keeping our bodies more closely aligned With the natural cycle of daylight and darkness You know, I'm so glad all of you wrote Because I'm learning so much more than all I used to learn Which was, damn, I've got to get up on that chair To reach that clock To turn the hands around

and the older I got, the more daunting standing up on that chair seemed to be. Aha, an overseas letter. From Thorfin Stainforth in Brussels, Belgium. You know, we do have listeners around the world. I mean, most of our listeners are in Canada, not surprisingly. Next up is the U.S. We had a lot of listeners on Sirius XM across the U.S. and downloading our podcast.

But we also get them around the world. you know, from China, from Europe, from Africa, Australia, New Zealand. Thorf and Stainforth in Brussels, Belgium, writes, my unpopular opinion is that the daylight saving system is a good compromise between morning people and evening people. It leaves everyone annoyed, but with something they want. We could choose one or the other between standard time or DST, but we then have to suffer either late winter mornings or earlier summer evenings,

both of which are suboptimal. By switching, we don't have to choose at the cost of a small biannual adjustment. Thank you, Thorfin. You know, it's break time. We're about halfway through these letters, and there's some great letters, and there's a couple of real humdingers still to come. and one of my favorite letters I've ever got on your turn is coming up in the second half. But right now, we're going to take a break when we come back.

We'll listen to the random ranter. With his rant, it's got nothing to do with time change. He's not on topic this week, but it's a topic you might enjoy. So let's take our break. We'll be right back after this. And welcome back. You're listening to The Bridge. right here on Sirius XM, Channel 160, Canada Talks.

I'm Peter Mansbridge. You can also get us on our whatever podcast platform you listen to. It's there on lots of them, you know, the obvious Apple, Spotify, but there's all kinds of different podcast platforms. It's on there, and it's still ranked as it has been since we came back from our summer break. number one on Canadian political podcasts and that means all podcasts listen to in Canada that have a political nature to them

they're all on there including the American ones and some European ones but number one in an exalted number one position not that it would go to our head you know seriously I mean really who cares right we care

it's nice to be number one okay before we get back to your letters let's hear from our good friend the ranter and what he has to say this week here he is the random renter call it a lack of faith

or an erosion of trust but the credibility of everything from science to the media to elections in academia is in serious decline It's like suddenly all the pillars of Western civilization are teetering under the weight of widespread mistrust and disinformation. I mean, when you think about it, the whole world works one way or another on faith. A dollar is a dollar because we believe collectively that it has that value.

When we get sick, we go to the doctor because we believe in the medical system and the science that underpins it. We have democracy because we have faith that allows us. elections are free and fair, and that our votes matter. But these days, it's hard to have faith in anything when everything seems to be subject to unprecedented gaslighting and unbridled conspiracy theories. I mean, everything, no matter how straight up or straightforward, is being questioned. And while there's nothing wrong with questions, there is a problem when we lose the ability to collectively accept the answers. There always seems to be a segment of society willing to go to any length to deny inconvenient truths and embrace some kind of alternative theory. And it's my contention that those segments of society are growing.

I mean, take your pick of wackadoodle theories, search them up on the internet and social media, and pretty soon you'll find yourself eyeball deep in whole communities built around the idea that, I don't know, vaccines cause autism. or sunscreen gives you a cancer, or 9-11 was an inside job, or aliens built the pyramids, or the earth is flat, or climate change is fake, or the classic OG, that the Holocaust never happened. These communities aren't just rabbit holes of conspiracy. They're sinkholes of the stuff, and they just draw you in deeper and deeper until you come out the other side radicalized. Just look at how far we've sunk. I mean, enough people are buying into the vaccine craziness that measles are now a thing again.

And polio, well, it's just looming in the wings. A third of Americans think Biden stole the 2020 election. And 10% of people believe that con trails are actually chemtrails used to poison humanity and or control our minds and or make you gay. Now, I'm not making it up. somebody out there's making it up, but it's not me. And I'm not saying big tech companies don't care about spreading disinformation. I'm saying they love it. Nothing makes them more money than anger and outrage. It's engaging. So they'll be the first to hide behind the right to free speech while

they happily promote BS and display it in the same space as legitimate media, aka the fake news. And that's how mainstream it is. Because when I say, the fake news or lame stream media, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And it's not the National Enquirer. It's CBC, the Toronto Star, or even the

Globe and Mail. Look, this has all been happening in slow motion for at least the last 15 years. And the way I see it, the problem is only gaining steam, because AI has made it so much easier to produce conspiracy based content and make it that much more believable.

And let's face it, a lot of the AI news floating out there has better production value than the real thing, partly because the AI tools are so powerful, but also because legitimate news is being choked out by budgets starved of the ad revenue that used to go to them, but that's now being poured into social media companies, as in the same companies that are profiting from the disinformation in the first place. I know you can't put the social media genie back in the bottle, but I think we ought to at least try. We backed off our digital restrictions as a concession to Trump, but that got us nowhere. So why not reinstitute those controls?

Or better yet, enhance them to direct more money to legitimate Canadian news organizations. I think the pending age restrictions coming to social media are a good step, but a better step would be to have them actively label content that is. false or misleading, or better yet, made by AI. Well, there he is, the random ranter for this week. And a reminder for new listeners, the random ranter lives on the prairies. He's not associated with any political party.

He doesn't work for any political party. He's just a guy. He gets mad when I describe him that way. He's just a guy, but he is just a guy. He's a guy who has a job. He travels a lot, mainly by car, around the prairies. He talks to a lot of people.

He hears a lot of things. And he's opinionated, obviously. And what you get in the rant each week is his opinion. It may not be your opinion, but it may stir you to think about your opinion. where you agree, where you disagree, and why? And that's why we do the Rantor every week. It's, it kind of fits in, I think, and I'm very proud of him.

We got a lot of, a lot of comments about the Rantor. And they're almost all positive, even for people who disagree with them. They're glad to have the opportunity to disagree. and to think about the kind of things that he's been thinking about. All right, time to get back to letters here on this week's your turn, where the question is all about time zones and time changes and, you know, fall back, spring forward. Have you had it with that?

Sick and tired of getting up on the chair to change that clock in the kitchen? I know I am. Kevin Ellis writes in Toronto. In the 20th century spirit of conquering nature, July 1st, 1908, Port Arthur, Ontario adopted savings time years before countries did, probably to fell more trees and grain, fueling our colonial industrial revolution. We are long past the need for any king to dictate our temporal existence. Sleep apnea has made me a grumpy old painter, yet sunlight light saves my creative soul.

Stop this archaic time shift madness. Jackie McCurdy in Toronto. For me it's simple. Do I prefer longer, lighter summer evenings or longer, darker, winter mornings? I choose permanent daylight saving time. It had kept the long, light summer evenings, but by adding an extra hour gives darker winter mornings. It's already hard enough to get up on a cold winter morning.

Jason Brown in Winnipeg. Although the time change is a bit annoying and takes a few days to adjust to, I think it makes sense in more northern places. I, for one, am not looking forward to a 9.30 sunrise in late December. Once people see how dark the mornings will be at that time of year, they may regret the choice they made. David Oliver in Victoria. Once upon a time, clocks were easily adjustable.

A pleasant task to go around the house doing the clocks twice a year. Nowadays, you struggle to remember the sequence of buttons to press on your digital stove, clock radio, microwave, etc. All different. Technology companies have turned that pleasant task into a tedium to be avoided by failing to agree on a few standards. Let's see how people in northern B.C. like those dark warnings. Carol Ellis in Cochrane, Alberta. We should not move to permanent daylight savings time, but instead move to permanent standard time. Humans need light first thing in the morning.

Instead of doing what is best for commerce, we should be making decisions based on scientific evidence. Morning light impacts the retina and signals wakefulness. This avoids disruption to biological clocks. Permanent daylight savings time creates unnaturally dark winter mornings while negatively impacting long-term health. Percy Phillips in Portisville Prairie, Manitoba. When Canadian politicians discuss which time zone or how to decide to stay with one zone or another,

I assume the topic is a red herring. Politicians use it to deflect from something else, like a scandal or poor economic performance. Pick a time and stick to it and get back to basics, says Percy. Darren Wilson and Calgary. Here's a modest proposal. Twice a year, we move our clocks an hour in the prescribed direction. This year, let everyone move in their own direction. Let's redesign the day.

11 p.m. to midnight becomes siesta. Divide the remaining 23 hours into 24 shorter hours. Keep the hourly wage unchanged. We've just given ourselves a 4.35% raise and an hour off. Why save daylight when we could save ourselves some time? All right, Darren. We should make Darren the Deputy Minister of Time Change.

Ian Chichlow in Calgary, also in Calgary, like Darren was from Calgary. Ian writes, Well, I support ending the biannual clock change. I don't understand why we're not adopting permanent standards. standard time instead of daylight time. Under daylight time, children will travel to school in winter darkness just for later sunsets. Conversely, standard time aligns more closely with the solar cycle, matching our natural biological clocks that support healthier sleep.

Let's keep it standard. Muriel Hopper in Perth, Ontario. You know, Perth is not far from Ottawa, what, 80 clicks? outside Ottawa. I'm comfortable with time changes. I don't believe it causes car accidents or heart attacks. When people travel to another country or east to west, west to east, they don't have accidents or heart failure.

Our bodies can handle it, equal to attending a wedding or festivities. Our body can handle a 24-hour variation. Patricia Fox in Leamington, Ontario. and Patricia says Leamington is 40 minutes from the Gordy Howl Bridge. I'm tired of all the back and forth. My biggest issue is why do we want to stay on daylight saving time? Just go back to standard time, coast to coast. Mother Nature knows best.

John McLeod in Halifax, everyone should use solar time from their cell phones. Levels the playing field and avoids time zone politicization. Use Greenwich Mean Time when coordination, read it. Okay, I know what you're saying. You're saying, what's solar time? Solar time is based on solar noon.

The exact moment when the sun reaches its highest point in the sky directly above a given point. Before the establishment of time zones in 1883, there were more than 144 local times in North America alone. The resulting time difference between adjacent towns and cities were not critical when it took days to travel from place to place. Allison Zuckowicz in Calgary I support ending the time change but I'd prefer permanent standard time since it better matches our body's natural rhythms. That's why I voted no in Alberta's 2021 referendum. They just they love their referendums in Alberta, right? which asks whether we should adopt year-round daylight saving time.

The no side narrowly won, yet Premier Danielle Smith's government, has moved ahead with permanent daylight saving time anyway. So much for direct democracy and listening to the people. On October 18, 2021, these are the facts here. Alberta did ask a referendum question. Should the province adopt year-round daylight saving time? 50.2% voted no and 49.8% voted yes. Jason Kenny was the Premier then.

The Premier now, Daniel Smith, says not moving the clocks this year, will give Albertans the chance to try out permanent daylight time. She's left the door open to changing again in 2027. Yes, sir, E, Bob. And still in Alberta and that referendum, Zindy Sampa in Erdhry, Alberta. Danielle Smith only respects direct democracy when it suits her political agenda.

She ignored the 2021 time-change referendum, yet now forces a multi-million dollar referendum upon Albertans. Smith chose political convenience over public health. Now, here's one of my favorite letters that I've received over the years on your turn. I just like the way it's written. It's good.

Eric Hovius in Ottawa. If we can find another way to differentiate ourselves from the United States, we should. And in future, when school kids learn of the time zones and ask why they don't align with the United States, we can point to the time we trusted a supposed friend who turned their back on us.

Thank you, Eric. Kyle McCui and Whitehorse. Whitehorse, home of Gavin McHenna, scored his first goal and his first assist just a couple of nights ago. For, what's that team? What's that team he plays for? Anyway, Kyle McHughy, also in Whitehorse, According to the Canadian Sleep Research Consortium,

daylight time creates a social jet lag that negatively affects our bodies. In the Yukon, we switch to permanent DST. Kids used to have morning recess in the winter during the sunrise. Now it's under the floodlights. Absolutely abolished time change to mitigate negative health effects, but stay on standard time. Mariam Rajabali in Colona, BC. I'm going to miss falling back.

Not because I particularly cared what time it was, but because there was something deeply satisfying about being given an hour. Was it real? No. Did I use it wisely? Also, no. Did it feel like a little annual bonus from the universe? Absolutely.

Spring forward can stay in the past, but that glorious, completely psychological, extra hour? I'll miss you. T.C. Tang in Vancouver. I completely agree with the BC government's decision to stick with one time. It's simply called BC time now. One of my issues before is that previously DST was way too long, early March, early November.

That being said, I would prefer BC going on permanent standard time instead of daylight time. It's more accurate from a solar alignment point of. view. Michael Pash in Victoria. Goodbye time change. All my life, the switch has given me jet lag. Takes a week to feel back in sync. The debate is which one to keep standard or daylight.

Researchers prefer standard time. Morning is better for maintaining circadian rhythms. In northern latitudes, though, the day is dark at both ends regardless. Turn on more lights in the morning and enjoy the extra sun in the afternoon. Well, here we are. We've reached the end of your turn for this week. We have one letter to go. Just one letter. And here it is. It's from Lizanne Donnelly in Sutton, Quebec. Changing the clocks has been a lifetime habit that can be annoying and likely problematic for some people more than others. maybe Canada needs another referendum to decide.

Sure, that's what we need. Like I believe in consulting the people. But how often are we going to do referenda? It's why we elect people. They listen to you and they try to convince you to vote for them. That they're going to do what's best for you. And that's why most people go into politics, because they really believe they can make your life better. Not their lives better, but your life better.

That's why they run for public office. Or at least that's why they should run for public office. So if they're listening to you, they're hearing what you feel about whatever the issue may be, including this one. But referenda are an option. It just seems that there's all of them right now. Anyway, once again, love your letters. Love to hear from me every week. I know not everybody got on this week's program,

but a lot of you did. And as always, we love to hear from you. Coming up tomorrow, it is the Big Friday show, Good Talk, Shantelle-A-Barre, Bruce Anderson, another busy week, lots of things to talk about. and we will talk about them tomorrow on Good Talk, which you can catch right here on Sirius XM or you can catch it on your, you know, regular podcast platform

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