The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge - Your Turn - The Post Election Edition

Episode Date: September 23, 2021

No surprise, you weren't all too happy with the campaign or the final result.  But some interesting comments and suggestions and a few questions too on this week's Your Turn.  About the vote, about the media, and that's not all.  Enjoy.

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Available in grain-free, healthy grains, and singles for sensitive dogs. Akana, go beyond the first ingredient. Ah yeah, we love Thursdays. I love Thursdays because I get to read all the comments that you send in each week. You know, I print them up. I know that's not good for trees. But I print them up because it's a lot easier to try and track them down than flipping back and forth through my telephone, my smartphone. Anyway, I print them all up. I get up early on a Thursday morning and I read all the letters, read them all. And decide, you know, from that batch which excerpts to read.

And so that's the moment we've arrived at now. Before I get started, most of these thoughts are about the election from you. Either you wrote just before Election Day or you wrote just after Election Day. And it's interesting to see the difference between those two time zones, if you wish. But I also received, as it turns out, a lot of letters last weekend from people who were going to have election night parties. You know, they got all their friends over could be work friends could be just neighborhood friends

come to their house to watch the results come in and have their own little discussions and debates about what they were witnessing now almost all of these letters about house parties had a request. They wanted me to dial in, you know, FaceTime in or do a Zoom call or something,

which was very kind and very flattering to invite me to be a part of your parties. I'm kind of busy on the lunch nights on doing a variety of different things that are work-related, and so I was unable to do that. But it got me thinking. You know, you see these things, you see them on, I guess, mainly Instagram. It's kind of their celebrity posts, in a way, by various companies that say, hey, you want a personalized message from so-and-so?

You can get that. And they're mainly former hockey stars, baseball stars, football stars, some television personalities, who will do a specially crafted personalized message for you. Now, this costs money, of course. You've got to pay them to do that. But apparently it's a roaring business you know my good friend i don't know whether he'll be upset i know he listens to the podcast but he's a good friend um but if you know he does this ron McLean from Hockey Night in Canada. And he tells me that during the busy periods of hockey, especially during those like two months or more of Stanley Cup playoffs,

he gets dozens of calls every day, requests to take part in what he's willing to offer. Now, of course, you've got to pay for these, so Ron's not complaining. But it's work. If there's one thing I know about Ron, he takes everything very seriously. You ask for a request from Ron, you're going to get a real video. Okay. Anyway, I was thinking, you know, maybe I should do that on election nights.

Maybe old Mansbridge should get in this game. I don't know. Anyway, this is my long-winded way of saying I'm sorry I couldn't join your election night parties, those of you who wrote in. I hope you had great parties. I'm sure you had lots of good discussion and debate. But I was unfortunately unable to join on that night. However, next year when it's election time or two years from now or whatever it is, look for that ad. Have Peter Mansbridge

join your election night party. Oh dear. Alright. Let's get started. Once again, no particular order in these. Just come as I lifted them off the pile, and I just almost always only take one paragraph or a couple of sentences from each email that I get at the MansbridgePodcasts at gmail.com.

So here we go, first one. Gary Bartunas He's in British Columbia Here's part of what he had to say If I could convey a message to Prime Minister Trudeau right now I would tell him that when his late father responded to a reporter's question With the words, just watch me He earned my and most law-abiding Canadians complete respect

I would then suggest to our current PM that it looks like he may soon be called upon to deliver a similar message to the anti-vaxxers. In my opinion, they are nothing more than Canada's FLQ terrorists of the 21st century. All right, Gary. Not shy about your opinion there. We've got a letter from Bob Perry in Oakville, Ontario, who listed a number of questions for discussion. I'm just going to read one of them.

Not because they aren't all good, but I don't want to take up all the time in the podcast in one letter. So here, I'll read this one. Do you think we should remove the power of the prime minister to call snap elections? In the UK, I understand that the government must get a certain percentage of the House to approve an election call. That's interesting.

I didn't know that. I'm not saying that it's not true or it is true, but it's an interesting theory. I'm assuming that any leader, any prime minister who calls an election must have a certain degree of support within his caucus, within his party to do such a thing. I know there were a few, what Jean Chrétien used to call

nervous Nellies in the Liberal caucus about this election. But at the end of the day, the election was called. And, you know, I'm not keen on this idea of removing that power of the prime minister to call snap elections. Hey, there's no automatic guarantee that you're going to win a snap election. In fact, there's enough evidence in our past to show that you're not going to, or you might not, including this one. Liberals didn't get what they wanted, which was a majority. They got another minority, almost exactly the same as the last one. I think it's one of the powers, one of the rights a Prime Minister has.

And I would be stunned if an opposition party would I think it's one of the powers, one of the rights a prime minister has. And I would be stunned if an opposition party would write in writing that they would remove that power of the prime minister to do that. They talk a good game during an election. You know, if the polls had shown a considerable lead for the conservatives in the middle of this summer, don't you think they would be demanding an election? Of course they would have. That's our process. That's what it looks like.

And they probably would have defeated the government for some reason within Parliament. But who knows? That's one of those, if your aunt had, she'd be your uncle, kind of questions. We don't know the answer. All right, next letter came from... Sorry, I got these things stuck here. Must have got a little of my peanut butter in on the pages here. John Mullen from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. Aside from a continuation of the liberal election policy platform,

we need fresh ideas to keep our young people interested in democracy, and our current system is not cutting it. I believe the country needs a ministry or sub-ministry of continuous democratic improvement. Man, that sounds Soviet, like in terms of its description, a sub-ministry of continuous democratic improvement. I know that's not what you're saying, Mr. Mullen. But that's what it sounds like. This would be a permanent non-partisan branch of government devoted to continuous improvement to our democracy and political system. It would be stocked with politicians, academics, and citizens,

maybe drafted from interested individuals in a jury duty fashion, in term positions, for the sole purpose of analyzing other democratic systems and also creating other made-in-Canada solutions for making our system better

and more efficient and economical. These could be electoral reform ideas, government transition improvements, and changes to make minority governments last a minimum of three years so that our system is not paralyzed by continuous elections, as well as other laundry list ideas too long to mention here. I don't necessarily agree that our system is paralyzed, even though we've had five minority governments in the last seven elections. But I like the basis of your idea, and especially as it may appeal to younger people.

And I think you may have something there. I don't like the title of your department. I'm telling you, it does sound like the old Soviet system from back in the, you know, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. Trevor Seyfried from Calgary. After going on and on about how great Chantel is and who's going to argue about that. He talks about the problems that Western Canada has

with the central Canadian-based government. I understand that in 1995, the central Canada, and more specifically Quebec, was divided. That doesn't take away from just how alienated many parts from Fraser Valley to Winnipeg are feeling, from central Canada in particular, the Liberal Party of Canada. The electoral map should tell you something. The LPC is so toxic here that the NDP is often the second choice. Liberals did win a seat in Alberta. The anger, frustration, and division felt in Calgary is very, very real,

and is quite serious, as it seems, that screw the West and take the rest is back. Thanks, and keep doing what you're doing. P.S. You may want to find a Western-based guest to get that view. I can tell you that aside from Central Canadian-based guests, the most of our guests on this podcast have come from Alberta. Part of the problem, I got to say, because I don't disagree with what you're saying here. Part of the problem is this is recorded early in the morning because there's an early release on it and that makes it very early in the morning in alberta so occasionally we find ways of getting around that but uh but that is one

of the issues that we have dan Daniel Rao writes from Calgary. It hasn't stopped Albertans from listening to this podcast. We have a lot of Albertans, a lot of Albertans who write in. Daniel Rao writes, this election was a little different. I was listening to your show and it helped me make up my mind before election day. I stayed away from the day-to-day of the campaign, and I feel pretty good right now. I even voted in the advance polling to avoid the lineups.

To Bruce's point, there wasn't really anything that could have changed my mind about my voting decision. The promises during campaigns are so easily broken, I don't take what is said during an election cycle at face value. You know, you may be right about that, but it's sad, isn't it? Isn't it a sad thing to have to say? Our old friend David Oliver writes from Oak Bay, Vancouver Island. I have a suggestion for a topic, the German election, 26 September.

Boy, that's what we need, another election to cover. Angela Merkel is not running, having dominated the stage in Europe as well as Germany for 15 years, despite always being in a minority position and leading a coalition. Their electoral system could be a model for us. Also, the networks are having separate debates as the consortium has fallen apart. I'll take a look at that, David. I'm not sure it's worth a full show for our audience,

but I will have a look at it. I can tell you that on October 1st, the Munk School at the University of Toronto, which I'm a distinguished fellow at, and the German Embassy are holding a special discussion format that'll be, I think it'll eventually be on YouTube, about the Merkel years, what they've meant, and what the picture looks like going forward.

And guess who's hosting? That's right. I am. Uh, and I'm looking forward to doing that. I believe that's Friday, October 1st and, or whatever, whatever that Friday is. I think it's October 1st. Don't have a calendar in front of me. But I've, you know, listen, as people who listen to this podcast know, I'm a big, huge Merkel fan. So I'm looking forward to that discussion. Kathy Wills, also from Calgary. Only the media, talking heads and pundits can call a win a loss. Honestly, I'm tired of them all.

This election that nobody wanted. Who's nobody? The opposition, the media, pundits? I've been waiting since March 2020 for an election. And the latest, a $600 million cabinet shuffle. Buzz phrase, give me a break. The only reason the conservatives even get anything near achieving high popular vote is because of Alberta and Saskatchewan. Yeah, well, hey, they're part of the country.

And if I hear again how poor Justin and the liberals got spanked, my head might explode. They actually, I think, well, they increased their seats. I think they increased their vote total a little bit, but they lost in the popular vote. Mona Babin. I have a question regarding, and she's writing from, I believe, Quebec. Question regarding federal political parties.

Why is there a federal party that only has seats in one province? What are the requirements? Hey, there are a number of parties that only have seats in one region of the country. You know, the Maverick Party, they didn't get enough votes to get any seats. The People's Party didn't have candidates everywhere, but they did achieve a certain degree of support across the country, more than double what they had last time. But I know what your question's about.

Why is there a federal party that only runs in Quebec? A party that's done so well in Quebec at different times that in one year they actually became the opposition party based on their success. That was 93, I believe. Questions why? I think you should ask the prime minister that you should ask the opposition leader that that question comes up every election comes up around the debates why do they get its seat at the table

that's the question. Rob Calabrese. I think it's Calabrese. He's from Island Folk Cider House. It's in Nova Scotia. Calabrese. I love a Calabresi. I love a Calabresi salad. Now, I'm not sure if Rob pronounces his name that way.

But, he's a cider maker in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He says, I've been a long-time listener to the Bridge podcast, really enjoy it, how it's evolved over the last year and a half. It's almost two years now. Not a big fan of sports of any kind and more of a political junkie. Elections were always my Super Bowl, and over the decades, I've spent many an election night with you and your political panels on the CBC.

On Monday night at our cider house, we are hosting... This is one of those dinner party invites. Sorry, Rob, couldn't make it. But we'll try and figure out. I don't know. Or give it some thought for the future. Ranveer Chumber. Let's see where Ranveer's writing from. Montreal. I'm 25 years old. I only

mentioned that to bring to light that my political experience thus far, they have been the shift which has happened in the world since 2016 towards authoritarianism and away from the egalitarian road taken in the most part since 1948. In your discussion with Bruce the other day about the role of the media and its responsibility to all present, I have to say I have to disagree with your position. If I understand correctly, your view is that the role of the media is not to play the safekeepers, but rather to present the facts as they are and let the public decide. Well, that's the basic role of the media.

Present the facts, challenge assumptions within those facts, but present them as best you can as fact and allow people to make up their own mind. That's not going to change for me. That's what I believe. I don't think that the media on the news side, their role is to report what they see, report what they know, challenge the assumptions that are being made by whoever the individuals are. They may be politicians or business leaders, academics.

There could be any number of different people. Challenge those assumptions until they're convinced they have the facts, present the facts to the people, and let the people decide. That is the role of the media for me. And I appreciate that different people have different views on these things, and clearly Ranveer has that. Stephen Podbileski. He's from Calgary.

I'm from Alberta. I was never in a position to go to university, but I feel like that was a blessing in the long run. I've done everything that society said I was supposed to do. I got a trade because it's supposedly a labor shortage in the trades. It's not, but that's why I got in. I got married, started a family, got a starter home, sold it for a little bit bigger as my family grew.

But all I find is that especially the last couple of years, life has gotten extremely hard. I know there are people who are house poor, but I feel like a lot of people my age are becoming bill poor. I'm 34, and I feel like I'm worse off than my parents were at this age. Food has gotten more expensive. Cell phone and internet is getting more expensive. The price of gas is more. My car and house insurance have gone up a hundred percent in two years with no claims. Utility prices are so volatile I'm afraid to open the envelope every month this year alone i've had a 600 bill to a 203 dollars

i guess it's gone up from 203 property taxes generally go up every year with all this going on my paycheck hasn't gone up. None of the big three are addressing my issues. Housing prices and seniors seem to be all they're looking out for. But as someone who was lucky enough to get a starter house that was a great price because it was more or less a dump that was in need of renovations that I was able to do with my skills. This election, I will be spoiling my ballot because no one is trying to make my life more affordable or incentivize raising my wage.

You know, Stephen, I hate to hear people say they're going to spoil their ballot, but man, your frustration reads through on that, especially when you surveyed the landscape of the different political parties and you see nobody addressing the issues that you and, you know, clearly hundreds of thousands of other Canadians were facing during this election. Time to take a quick break we've got more letters but we have to make a little space for a little break and here it comes

you're listening to the bridge on the bridge your thoughts and questions and letters that came in by email over the last few days this election week here in canada you're listening either on sirius xm channel Channel 167, Canada Talks, or you are listening on your favorite podcast. Whichever way you're listening, we're happy to have you with us. Okay, let's keep on rocking. Barry Hoffman writes, actually what Barry does is he sends along a Globe and Mail story that's absolutely worth reading a part of.

You've heard about all the boiled water advisories. There are still dozens of them that still exist in different parts of the country, and they're all indigenous communities. You know, a couple of hundred have been addressed since the promise Justin Trudeau made in 2015 that he would resolve them all. They haven't all been resolved. But this one, a couple of days before the election, is worth noting again. It took a long time. It took 25 years, a quarter of a century. One of the longest in the country.

Not the longest, but one of them. And it's certainly one that I remember because Shoal Lake, which is near the border with Manitoba and Ontario, has been an issue for decades in terms of the services that have been received on that First Nation. I know because I can remember dealing with that story myself from my early days as a journalist working out of Winnipeg in northwestern Ontario.

So, you know, this is not something that comes out of the blue to me. So, a week ago yesterday, the First Nation celebrated the opening of its long-anticipated water treatment plant with a special event, which included a tour of the facility. A long-term boil water advisory for the community, which was issued in 1998 and was one of the longest in Canada, was also lifted. Shoal Lake was cut off from the outside world more than a century ago during the construction of an aqueduct that supplies winnipeg with its drinking water the community's land became a man-made island only accessible by a ferry in the summer and a dangerous ice road in the winter you know isn't it ironic

that the problems for shoal Lake started with the construction of something to make Winnipeg's water more pure and more plentiful. Well, I hope this is the beginning of a new beginning for Shoal Lake. And in the middle of the campaign, in the final days of the campaign, Mark Miller, who's the federal indigenous services minister was in the community for that opening of the new water system and good for him he was a guest on uh on this podcast when we discussed issues surrounding truth and reconciliation earlier in the summer. And while I don't think his writing was ever in doubt in Montreal,

he still took time away from the campaign to go to Shoal Lake to be there for that. Lauren Bennett. like to be there for that uh lauren bennett not sure where she's writing from maybe here in southwestern ontario loved your morning after many good talk it was good eh it was chantelle and bruce it was a short one tomorrow is the real one the main good talk for talk for the post-election period. Anyway, Lauren writes, I loved your morning after many good talk, but I was sad you didn't mention the Green Party.

They had a strange success in Kitchener Centre, just down the road from here in Stratford, and a loss in enemy polls riding the leader of the Green Party. What does this mean for their leadership going forward and for the state of the party in general? So much infighting. Well, it sure is, and there sure was, and there's no question that had an impact on their disastrous performance

on Monday night. I mean, the leadership seems open now. And so, you know, the fight will continue. But, you know, there are leadership questions around all the parties. There are around Justin Trudeau in the Liberal Party, although I think the party will allow him to make up his own mind about what he wants to do. Most of us don't think he'll run in another election, but who knows? I don't know with any certainty. It's just a guess. Will Aaron O'Toole be the leader of the Conservative Party next time around?

There are already open statements by longtime members of the party that he's got to go. Jagmeet Singh always wins the hearts of people in an election campaign. He's still a fourth-place party. Is the way forward for the NDP with Jagmeet Singh? And Anna Meeple. So the state of all these parties is in question to some degree, and I don't think there's any guarantee what's going to happen on any one of them. But I think the questions are there.

Let's see. What do we got here? We have three of them left. Always enjoy hearing from Tyrone Bilgin. Calls himself T-Bone. To me, I view the election as Trudeau's gamble,

that he wanted to roll the dice. It had to be done at some point. He chose to make it happen now. The election, I thought, gave a great snapshot of where we are today as a country. And we collectively like things from the center line rather than from the fringes. I like to show some of my American friends an infographic of the election results by each party.

Then I explain who the PPC are, People's Party. I get a sense of pride as a Canadian that they did not get any representation in the next parliament. No, they didn't win a single seat. But they more than doubled their vote. They're over 5% of the votes cast. If they double their vote again in the next one, that'll be over 10%. Thank you, Peter, for the math. But those aren't insignificant numbers. And we shouldn't blow them off just because

they didn't win a seat. Anyway, back to T-Bone. Then I listened to today's excellent podcast with Bruce and Ellie. That was yesterday when we were talking about the media. And came away thinking that the extremist platforms get fuel for the fire in the U.S. largely because of funding far right-wing media with eroding checks and balances. They have that financial base to keep perpetuating that view on a 24-hour basis. Education, or the lack thereof, is a huge factor too, as was mentioned. Then the fear sets in, if that can happen here.

Yes, I suppose it could. However, I don't think Canada would tolerate it on a level like our friends south of the 49th. At least as of today, I feel confident in that. Yeah, you know, as of today, I think you're right, but things change. And they are changing. And you witnessed it through this campaign. Here in this riding of Stratford, Ontario, more than 5,000 people voted for the People's Party of Canada and Maxime Bernier. That represented more than 10% of this riding's population, or 10% of those who

voted in this riding. A similar letter coming from Grant Smithelly, I think it might be. I'm not sure. On your topic today, in your days, you and most of your fellow journalists did your job with neutrality. That's changed. I'm not a huge fan of the rebel. That's the Alberta-based right wing.

I'll resist the temptation to describe it beyond that. But I do take offense to your guests' comments about the rebel. In today's world of left-leaning of so much of the legacy media even in basic reporting of the news who else is going to dig up the dirt on the left movement granted they lean hard right but legacy media seems scared to cover anything that tarnishes the woke left i'm sorry i just don't buy this. I'm sorry, Grant. I don't. You know, first of all, most of the established print media, what you call the legacy media in the country, are led by opinion leaders who talk from the right side, right being the left-right side of the ideological spectrum. They don't talk from the left.

They don't write from the left. They write from the right. So give me a break on this. They're all a bunch of lefties. It's just not true. That's the opinion stuff. Instead of, you know, tarring with a wide brush, those who are doing basic reporting, give me examples, real examples. And I'm happy to listen to them, and we can discuss them. It's like this, you know, kind of disgusting attacks that are made on,

you know, a former colleague of mine at the CBC, Rosie Barton. It's outrageous. And I was glad to see the Globe yesterday, John Doyle. And, hey, John and I have had our differences over the years, as many people know. But John wrote a column yesterday that basically said, enough with the partisan attacks on Rosie Barton. And it's true.

Rosie Barton had a great campaign. She's a tough, dedicated journalist. And she did some spectacular work in interviewing all the leaders, challenging them. You know, this stuff about whether it's Rosie or the CBC in general, you know, goes back decades. I've heard this forever. And it's just so much crap, you know, that's full of left-wingers. You know, ask the various liberal cabinet ministers who have had to retire because of the journalism of the CBC, had to resign because of the journalism of the CBC, had to resign because of the journalism of the CBC

that exposed them on various kind of scandals. I mean, you don't have to look back far. One of the biggest prized possessions of any government is the choice they have for governor general. Well, tell me the last time a governor general had to resign because of the journalism that exposed their scandalous role. This one did, appointed by Justin Trudeau, exposed by the CBC. So please, you know, if you're going to make these kind of broad stroke accusations,

please be particular, be specific about what you're talking about. Not just a broad brush. I appreciate your comments and Grant not singling you out. I'm saying that as far as I'm concerned, there's just been too much assumption on all this stuff. The CBC didn't conduct the vote last Mondayay they didn't decide who was going to win nor did the globe and mail nor did the rebel nor did it anybody other than you the voters you decided the outcome of the election so that's kind kind of, sorry to have worked up about this,

but there's, you know, in many ways there's nothing new about this broad brush attack that's leveled often at the CBC. The stuff about Rosie is disgusting as far as I'm concerned. Listen, there's always reason to challenge journalists about their work

and journalists have to be prepared to be a lot more, you know, a lot more open about the way they do their work and how they draw certain conclusions. That I have no problem with. But blanket condemnations to me are just, you know, they're so unfair. Be specific, please. Pat Wharton from Vernon, BC. This is the last one I got here for you.

I really enjoyed this week's Smoke Mirrors and the Truth. I actually quit watching or listening to all media about a week into the election. This yesterday's the one where we had um professor ellie alborn from carlton university school of journalism it was a really good podcast if you haven't listened to it i suggest you do it's a master class in looking at the way political journalism is conducted in this country. Anyway, back to Pat. I actually quit watching or listening to all media about a week into the election.

I agree that straight-up reporting is a lost art. I find it very frustrating the way media makes everything an event. I even found the CBC was directing content towards the reporters' opinions. That would be a bad thing if that happens. That's my interjection there. It makes me really sad, as I have always trusted them to be above all other sources in their content. Thanks for a very interesting podcast. Thank you, Pat.

And, you know, here's where I'll agree with you and with some of the criticism that's being leveled at reporters in general and perhaps the CBC in particular. Since the introduction of social media, especially Twitter,

I find that more journalists are expressing opinion, not necessarily on their work on air, but in their tweets. And you can't separate the two. If that's their opinion in a tweet, then the odds are that's their opinion going into whatever reporting they were doing. It's a very difficult situation, and a lot of news organizations are trying to come to grips with it.

Some news organizations, I think, ban their journalists from using Twitter at all. Others, it's fair game. Say what you want, say what you want do what you want not sure either one of those is the right approach but it is an approach all right there you have it with me with my my rants and raves is you get for free. Before I go, I have in my hands for the first time, just got it this week, the hardcover copy of my new book. It's called Off the Record.

It comes out on October 6th, so just in a couple of weeks. And I've got to tell you, I'm excited about it. You know, it's a book. You know, it's been variously described as a book of anecdotes, a memoir, a look at journalism today. It's kind of got all these things in it but it's mainly the stories behind the stories and i've described it to to many as you know it's like when you have dinner with friends and you end up talking about things you've done and you and as a journalist you end up talking about what you saw that you didn't have time to report.

And often those things are more interesting than what you did actually report on. So that's what this book is. That's why it's called Off the Record. It's not on the record in terms of the stories I did. It's the part that I left out. And there's some interesting stuff. And there's reflections on my career and my life.

And there's a fair number of pictures in there, some history-making pictures. Now, if you go to my website right now, thepetermansbridge.com, that's thepetermansbridge.com that's thepetermansbridge.com you can enter a contest in these final weeks before publication. If you pre-order, you can enter

a contest for a special copy. And so I encourage you to have a look. October 6th is release date. Until that time, at least during September, so not a lot of time left,

if you go to thepetermansbridge.com, it'll direct you to the Simon & Schuster pages and the way you can pre-order and get your name involved in a draw for a special copy. All right, listen, thanks so much for listening today. Back tomorrow with Good Talk with Chantel and Bruce. And you know, they're always great. And what have they learned in the four or five days since the election? They're going to help point us forward.

And then next week, we're going to start with a special edition on Monday with a familiar name that we haven't heard of for a couple of months. Dr. Isaac Bogoch will be with us. Looking forward to talking to the good doctor about where we really are on COVID vaccines, kids, you name it. We'll talk about it all. That's Monday's broadcast. Okay. That's it for today. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Peter Mansbridge. We'll talk to you again in 24 hours.