The Brilliant Idiots - B.I.T.Y.T (Ft. Cenk Uygur)

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

On this episode of the Brilliant Idiots, Charlamagne tha God and Andrew Schulz sit down with Cenk Uygur, founder of The Young Turks, for a raw and unfiltered convo that covers everything from religion to radical politics, Trump to mental health, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to media trust. Cenk opens up about his personal journey from religion to atheism, questions the role of obedience in politics and media, and breaks down how mainstream narratives often miss the mark. The crew dives into what it really means to be “far left,” how moderates get radicalized, and why it’s so hard to denounce violence without backlash. They also unpack the never-ending cycle of conflict in the Middle East, especially the Israeli-Palestinian struggle—talking geopolitics, religion, forgiveness, and whether peace is even possible. It doesn’t stop there. They chop it up about civil rights, non-violent activism, mental health in politics, Trump’s business mindset, Elon Musk’s power plays, and the messy reality of American leadership. Oh—and Cenk teases his upcoming book too. ************************************ Sponsor Brilliant Idiots: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/brilliant-idiots Uncommon Favor - Dawn Staley Order - https://a.co/d/4pLD1C3 No Holes Barred -Mandi B & Weezy WTF https://a.co/d/cGFDUoB Get Honest or Die Lying Why Small Talk Sucks By Charlamagne Tha God https://a.co/d/gpFlOol Check out Andrew Schulz www.theandrewschulz.com Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" https://blackeffect.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yep, Shalameenegh. Andrew Shows. We are the Brilliant Idiot Podcast, back for another week of Brilliant Idiotness. Heather Kyle Walkup. What's up, man? How are you, man? I am blessed black and highly favored.

We got a special guest here, man. My favorite news platform by far. Whoa. Oh, that's not even close. I've said that a million times. I'm talking about period. Linear television, internet, internet, whatever, I'm about to say internet television.

Internet, whatever you want to call it. High praise. CEO of the Young Turks, Nets. network is here. I'm not about to fuck up his name. How wanted you to say it so bad? Sank Ugar. Sink Ugar.

Jank. Jank Uyghur. That is actually the correct pronounce here. Jank Uyghur. We did it. We go with Jank Uy Ugrin. And online, the right wing, says chunky yogurt. Chunky yogurt works.

Is yogurt Greek or Turkish? So there's a fun story in there. So the guy who owns Chabani is Turkish. Okay. And he named a Greek yogurt. I'm like, what'd you do that for? And every Turk's like, what'd you do that for? He's like, so it would sell more.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, Americans don't want to buy Turkish yogurt. They want to buy Greek yogurt. Greek sounds like lovely, right? Fair enough. But it is actually Turkish. You think it started in Turkey? Yogurt?

Everything started in Turkey. This is the, this region of the world, you think Americans are arrogant. Please just go over to Turkey, go to Greece. Everything begins there. It's like, it. But it kind of does. So, my dad, you should tell. So my dad used to tell me, oh, I grew up in the oldest city in the world.

And then one day, Good Morning America. I'm watching it. I'm like 12 or 8, 14 or whatever. And they're like, oh, an oldest city in the world, Gaziantep. I'm like, oh, my God, he was right. He lived in a city near the southeastern border with Syria. Okay. And he went to high school in Gaziantep.

And at that moment, they found a more ancient city later. Yeah. But it was the oldest city in the world. I looked it up in the London Museum, a British Museum or whatever the hell it's called. Yeah. Fertile Crescent, where, like, where it all started. Eden is supposed to be is between the Tigris and Ukrainies where my dad grew up. They keep inventing stuff in Turkey because I saw something recently where they're like,

yeah, Noah's Ark or the remnants are still here. Oh, yeah, yeah, we made that up too. Yeah. I just thought that. The Garden of Eden, though? Did you ever, like, go there or I try to... I did. It's not at all like the Garden of Eden.

It's not... Yeah. And my dad used to describe it like, oh, my God. It's so beautiful. You got to say it. Meanwhile, my mom grew up at the same place. She's going, no. Okay.

So we went there when I was six. Oh, crazy story. You guys want to hear a crazy Turk story? That's what podcasts are for. Okay. So I got circumcised at the age of six. Okay. Out.

Yeah. Okay. He knows what show. He knows what shows. He knows. He knows. Okay. It gets better.

It gets better. Yeah. So it's tradition in Turkey. I don't know if it's other Muslim countries. But it's like a, right to pass it to do it at six to do it around six yeah so at six you can feel it oh you remember memories of your circumcision oh wait till you hear the memories yeah so we i went with we went with the best circumciser in this yeah yeah yeah yeah later there was like a controversy

we covered out the young years 20 years later the guy was like literally famous oh what a good circumciser yeah anyway we go and it's in his backyard okay and all your family and friends show up and they take your pants down everybody's looking okay and And then the doctor's like, do you want to do the shot, the painkiller? I'm like, no, I'm six. I want you to do the painkiller. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, no, no, it's okay.

It's okay. And then he's like, I'll put it here and then you press down. And so I did the painkiller. And then they, you know, they do the circumcision and fuck it hurts. Yeah. Especially later. Oh, hold up. Then they bring me to Eden, which is, you know, my parents' hometown.

Yeah. And they got me in a clown outfit. I mean, look, they have a cape. They have a thing. They were like a hat and stuff. And they're like, oh, doesn't it feel great? I'm like, no. Right?

Like one, they didn't feel great. Two, the clown outfit doesn't help. Three, I'm in a dusty old town in the southeastern turkey. Oh, no. And then they say, no, it's okay, we got you a sheep, Ali. Okay, and I'm like, oh, Ali, I named him Ali, right? They give you a sheep after any circumciser? Yeah, but I didn't know what for, right?

They're like, oh, look at this sheep. Test it out. Right. What gives the sheep? Okay. Okay, hold up. You're a man now. Jesus, right.

He kept behind that thing. Shit. Wait, it gets worse. Oh, my God, Ali, good friend, et cetera. They're like, yeah, it's in your honor that we're doing this. And they slice its throat. Blood, ah, ha. We turn it.

We'll blend more. You would a sheep. It turns out we were eating Ali that night. Nice. Like, that's, like, it's supposed to sacrifice. Now, the thing is, it's not a bad thing because they give actually most of the food. to the poor. Right. And that's part of the celebration. Yeah. And we're like I'm atheist now, but growing up Muslim, the one thing that every Imam is obsessed with is helping the poor.

Helping the poor, yeah. So that's really good, right? Did they feed the poor your foreskin? I don't know, but it would, I don't know that that would have helped, okay. Yeah. But yeah, that was traumatic, man. Where, what did they do with the foreskin? I didn't ask. I mean, that would have been funny to keep us a souvenir, I guess. And how did they get to the story of getting made out of a rib. Clearly she was made out of foreskin. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of foreskin in the Bible. Like, I actually bothered to read a lot of the Bible in the Quran. Because before I became an atheist, I was like, let me try it out. Let me make sure I give it a fair shot. Which Testament? Old Testament is filled to the room with foreskin.

Yeah, because the new testament. No, it's true. Give me a scripture. I don't know. So no, no, one time God comes up and says to the Israelites, oh, okay, look, you know what? I want you to go make peace with the other guys, the Canaanites, or whoever they are, right? But I'm kidding. Don't actually make peace. Say to them, we'll give you our chicks if you guys cut your foreskin and are like us, okay? And they're like, oh, they got hot women. Okay, sure, we'll do it. And then as soon as their foreskins cut and they're hurt, go kill them all. Wow. That's in the Old Testament. And they do, and they kill them all. Because they know they're like weak because they're weak because they just cut their foreskin, right? So luckily that didn't happen to me. How hot were those chicks that the guys were willing to cut

their foreskins off though. Yeah, that seems like a horrible trade. That's why I like the LeBron James version of the Bible. That old shit was... Yeah. We need more like inspiring stories. Yo, how do you go from an atheist? I've never heard of a person that worshipped Islam or Islam was there...

Became an atheist. Like, how you abandon Allah? Get some white pussy in college, man. Well, first of all, that'll do it. That'll do it. Fucking white pussy. I can't do it. I can't do it.

And then you look up. And you're like, you understand, right? How old are you? When I became atheist. 22. What I say. Okay, so here's what happened. I took an introduction to Islam at Penn.

And I had a great professor, Professor O'Brien or something like that. He was an Irish dude who loved Islam. And he sold it so heavy. He's like, look at the poor, the needy, all this great things. And those things are in there. All the books have great things and terrible things, right? So he focused on all the great things. So I kind of got more into Islam.

And the sophomore year of college, I was like, I'm not drinking, I'm not doing hammer. I mean, I gave a bacon. It doesn't get any worse than that, right? So I'm kind of into it. And then I start reading the Quran more because I'm like, okay, if I'm going to be a good Muslim, I should read the Quran.

I start reading it by myself without the professor. I'm like, whoa, that doesn't make any sense. Right? And I flipped a book, and I'm like, holy shit, that doesn't make any sense either. Do you remember a particular path that really didn't make sense? So I'd say that where I, the straw that broke the camel's back, in this case, almost little. So I read a whole bunch of the Quran and great parts in there, but tons of shit, that doesn't make sense.

Then I'm like, maybe the Bible's got to figure it out, right? So I start reading it, and I'm just getting the foreskin and we're sprinkling goat's blood everywhere. And it's manness. I get to the Tower of Babel story. And I'm like, wait, let me get this right. Humans work together, built this beautiful tower. Yeah. Okay.

And God was jealous, and then he knocked the tower down, and he made all of us speak different languages so we couldn't work together anymore. And I'm like, okay, if that God exists, then I'm against it. I get it. I can understand that. That makes perfect sense. Well, you've got to read the New Testament. Yeah. New Testament's better.

It is better. I mean, because serving on the Mount, Jesus is a nice guy. And he's like, hey, you know what? Maybe the poor, the needy, right? The boys. Yeah. Probably because the Old Testament was making too much. many people feel like you, you know?

So it's hard to get people to submit to that religion if they didn't believe in. Well, I mean, there's two things. So Old Testament was originally Jewish, right? And so in the Jewish religion, you don't want commerce. They're like, oh, can I be Jewish? Like, no, we're cool, okay? I had a friend who got married, who's Jewish, married a Mexican girl, and she had to go through, like, jumped through 18 different hoops just to become Jewish, right?

So they weren't even trying to sell it, right? To be fair to them. But if you did try to sell it, it's a tough sell. It's a super tough stuff. Jesus came out with a genius idea. He's like, I forgive you all. Okay, like, oh, that's awesome. I did a lot of terrible shit.

You forgive me, that's awesome. And he came up with a second idea. He's like, uh... Technically, John the Baptist came up with that idea. Yeah, well, I mean, technically... Guy came up with it, but I think John had people in the river and he was forgiven sins, you know? Okay.

I'm just saying if we're going by the text. So I'll tell you, really... John the Baptist gets really slept on, I have to say. I agree with you. By the way, I think Bernie's John the Baptist. Shout out Bernie, man. Okay. Shout out, Bernie.

What does that mean? Is AOC Jesus? Is that... Well, whoever's next. Whoever's next. Okay. Well, in a political analogy, the person who wins from Bernie's side next will be the guy who saves the country.

You know, crucify him. Yeah. Where's going? To hand out of my pocket. I would start at how it's going. Anyways, you... Yeah, so, and then Jesus came out with love, which is a genius idea. I love you all.

And people are like, oh, I like that. Yeah. And the guy in the sky loves me and he's going to take care of me. He's like, yeah, I'm sorry enough for that. And the trade that they made, the real guy who did all of this is Emperor Constantine. Right? He's the one that put the Bible together. You see how they always take credit, bro?

No, that's true. No, but you see how they always take credit? You know why? Because Constantine's from Constantinople. Exactly. He just found the way to make a turkey. That's right. All right until you find out.

We just found a way to make it Turkish. When you find out Abraham Lincoln and Elvis Presley are also Turkish? No. That's a really? Tell me if I got the story right. Christianity was created by Constantine and Constantine essentially needed a mascot. No, wrong. And the mascot was Jesus.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Christianity was not created by Constantine. I think Constantine. Codified. Yeah, he codified the religion. He basically made it the official religion of the Roman Empire. put a face to it, right? No, no, what Charlemagne is right. Okay, because, so Constantine pulls together all the different books that are out there. But remember, there's 300 years

after Jesus, right? I don't even think that's true. Yeah. I don't think, I know what you're talking about. It's the Council of Nica. Yeah, but it's Council of Nicaea. I think that they found texts that had existed before that. But I think a lot of times we confuse what the Council is at. But there was no religion called Christianity. Of course, the, the believers of Christ were Christians. This has happened for years. So what it's hodgepodge. What, what, Constitian. Until the Turks came in. Organizzer. He branded it. He branded it. To be fair, Constantine, Greek. Right? And so, just like the yogurt.

Yes. So anyways, what he does is he puts together the book, the Bible. Right? He's like, okay, these books, we don't like them, that they don't help. These books, we do like them. And he makes that the Bible. So he's kind of the creator of the Bible, for sure. But those books did exist. That's why Andrew's right about that, right? I think that's when it takes off. Because then Constantine goes, forget. Well, that's going to stop being illegal. Yeah. The reason it could take off because at the time was being illegal. I mean, Christians were being persecuted like crazy for their beliefs.

And Constantine goes, all right, we're going to make this shit the official religion of the Roman Empire. And then all the people are like, oh, well, we can like practice what we're doing and publicly and not have to worry about being murdered. And that was pretty often. But he packaged it right. Well, that's the thing. I think that it's, I think we kind of like misremember history with the Council of Nicaa. I think it already had been packaged before. And then I think that there was a meeting of like the different, what would you call them at the time?

This is like, there is no Catholicism at the time. Clarity, church leaders, whatever you want to. And I think they were having conversations about like what texts were going to be part of the canon. But I don't think the Council of Nicaea officially canonized the Bible. I think that existed prior to that. Okay. So. I might be off on this.

No, no, no. I don't think the Bible. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Exactly. Because it's the right way to go to heaven. It wasn't Jesus. And remember it. Like, it was 300 years later.

People are like, oh, I think I remember Bob telling me that Fred told him, that Susie told him that Jesus did this, 300 years, they don't remember that at all. These are first person accounts and two of the canons. And then I think there's one that was written by somebody afterwards. But I think three of the books were first person accounts of Jesus' life. What I read and we'll look into it. Two are, yeah. Is that the first one that gets written down is 70 years after Jesus died.

That's Mark? Mark. Yeah. And 70 years where there's nothing written down, you know game of telephone. By the time Jesus does it, and 70 years later, the first guy writes a book about it, that ain't even Jesus. You seen the book, Eli? See what I'm saying?

No, 100%. But if we're going to take that, and look at me like defending Christiania right here, but like if we're going to take that approach, then like we have to take that approach to all of history. Oh, that's definitely true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, how much of it are we going to trust? So what I think that we do is like we use other accounts of the time to decide, like,

if there was this big miraculous event that had happened at the time in other types of literature, and you would see people speaking about it. There's only one historical reference of Jewish Roman writer named Josephus, who wrote about contemporary Jesus. And what was he saying? It's a very passing mention. It basically describes him just kind of running a cold. I would belittle him too.

When did he write that? Temporary. Oh, okay, at the time. Yeah, look, bottom line is what is the central thesis of the Bible? Okay, it's what I would call the Constantine Traynor. What he said was, you have to listen. to the people in power, okay? What was the thing that they ate from

that got them kicked out of Eden? The tree of knowledge. So do not get any knowledge that is bad. Do not ever disobey. If you disobey your Satan, what was the number one problem with Satan? He disobeyed. Okay?

So do not do that. Don't have free agency. Don't make any of your own decisions. But we love you, we forgive you. And when you die, oh my God, you're going to get everything. Although the rich are going to get nothing And the poor are going to get everything Man, when you put it like that

You kind of make it seem like it was It feel like it was okay for Eve to listen to see Because if it's a tree of knowledge And you're telling her you can't get any of this information But somebody comes along and goes, look, They're keeping things from you that you actually need to know And she goes to eat the apple. Is she wrong?

So there's a whole group of people Who call themselves witches and warlocks, I think Which is hilarious. And the reason they do is not because they believe even witches and warlocks, but because what they're saying is Eve was right. Like, we should eat from the tree of knowledge. We should know about nature. We should know about ourselves. We shouldn't stop learning. Religion is wrong. So, but what I'm a little worried about that because religious folks take it so literally, right? They think, oh, those are actual witches and warlocks. Yeah.

Right. And Satan is real. And these guys are saying super dangerous things. Get back to obeying. Get back to obeying. Right. So put religion out of it, forget Satan, God, et cetera. All I'm saying is in politics and everything else, don't obey. Like, obeying gets you nothing but put down at the bottom of the pyramid and the guy at the top gets everything. That's the whole point of obeying. And you and I talked about it in regards to the Democratic Party. What did they tell you? It wasn't about winning against Trump.

It was about obeying Biden. That's right. And you have to stop believing your lying eyes and ears and just obey the people in power. Did you see Corinne John Pierre's statement when she put out her a statement about how she's leaving the Democratic Party? she's independent now. Her exact words was, uh, we have to stop obeying. She used the language. I can't remember what the exact quote was, but she said, we have to stop obeying like we did in the past. I'm like, obeying. If your mind state was ever that, you were with the wrong people. But Charlie May, look, you, you guys are doing great. And we, we've done great over the course of

these 20 years with our network. But when it comes to mainstream media, they hate me, man. You know, I think I'm going to tell you this the last time. If I was an XFL player, you remember the old guy he had the he hate me on his back, right? That's me. So I was just talking to Dan Abrams about him the last podcast I did. I'm banned on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News. Why? Banned?

Like you know you're officially banned. Yeah. So when I ran for president, we hired like the top PR guy who's the best of getting on cable news. He's like, don't pay me. CNN, MSNBC hard ban. You're not allowed on. Fox News I'm not positive about. But then Jesse Waters books me, I get unbooked two hours later.

Wow. I've been booked and unbooked on CNN, MSNBC of Fox News a dozen times. Wow. I got to a point where I was like, go check with your manager. Like, don't bother me. Why do you think? What do you think that is? Because I tell people don't obey.

Don't obey. What if they obey you, though? That's a good idea. Heather Corrinejohn Piers, they say, we need to be clear-eyed and questioning rather than blindly loyal and obedience. as we may have been in the past. My God, Joe. But you know why she says that? She's in the power.

Because she's got a book coming out. But because she used to blindly obey. And that was the culture. Like in the Democratic Party, if you don't blindly obey, you're a heretic. You love Trump. We're going to smear you. We're going to say, I mean. So why should we listen to any of those people now?

Jake, we went through it. Charlemagne and I went through it. Oh, you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you probably went through the same thing. It's just the idea of it. being at all critical of the party, there's just this slew of that, but that's that they're

throwing your direction. They're making you all, you know, radioactive. By the way, I didn't even know I was part of the party. Just because I voted Democrat a few times because I didn't know I was a part of the party. Actually, I got pissed off yesterday when I was voting for New Jersey primary governor and they was like, you have to check one of these two boxes. They just said Democrat or Republican. I'm like, what the fuck? Why? Why? What does that even matter? I don't want to vote. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, the majority of countries is independent They didn't even have that as an option. I know.

Meaning they identify as it or they're registered. One primary or the other. Not in California, but yeah, in New Jersey. Yeah, yeah. Because they're saying if you're a Democrat, you get to vote on a Democratic primary. If you're an independent, well, you're not a Democrat, so you don't get to vote. So that one's a little bit more understanding. Okay.

Yeah, just for the primary situation. Gotcha. Yeah. So yeah, no, no. And obviously, I'm teasing, but like, what do you do in those circumstances if, like, you're preaching this message of do not obey, which I do agree with you, by the way. So are you essentially like, hey, when you guys are disseminating information, are you going, hey, check us, like, make sure that we're, what we're saying is something that you agree with. And if you don't,

don't agree with it. Like, are you promoting that to your audience? Do you feel like that? No. No, I'm Turkish. I'm in charge. Okay. No, seriously. We came first. I know it sounds like a silly question, but like, it's not at all. I love the ethos, but it is a tricky position that you're in because I imagine the way that you feel about the world you think would benefit the most people, which is probably not dissimilar to most journalists or political figures. So we're in this tricky situation where you're like, fuck, if you trust me, I think the world will be better, but at the same time, don't blindly trust me. No, actually it's kind of easy. We've been saying it from day one. Don't trust us. Go verify. I love it. Okay. Love it. And so the reason

is, I already looked it up. Yeah. I know that if you look it up. So you'll also see it. You'll also see it and then you'll say, oh, they were right and then you have more trust than us. But you're making on your audience to do something that most people don't do and that's research. That's true. And then it came back to bite us. So I'll tell you about in a second. But first, I love grok. You know the thing that Elon?

Yes, yes, yes. The reason I love grok is because I look things up first. Immediately. Right? And then I put it on X and then the right one's like, oh, yeah, Grock, is this true? Oh, wait a minute. You'll grok before you post. No, I'll just look it up.

Got it got to go to GROC. I already know it. It's a cat. I was like, why would you check trust grunk? Grunk? Back checking gron? What is Brock? It's at GBT for Twitter.

Got you. Okay. Okay. So I have like a 98% record on grok. Oh, wow. I'm like, just look it up. Just look it up, right? Stop bullshitting people.

Yeah. So that's how I do it. But how did it backfire? Well, we taught people to disobey so much that our own host then turned on us in 18 different ways. Okay. So this guy, Dave. Ruben left the network and he was, he's, you know, gay and liberal and all this stuff.

He leaves. He first does something that doesn't work. And then he's looking for work. And some conservative probably came by and offered him a ton of cash. And all of a sudden, he's a right winger. And he's like, oh, young Turks did this and young Turks are terrible and they do that. And I'm like, that's the first time it happened. I was like, whoa, what the fuck is this?

Like, nothing he's saying is true. So these are making it up. This is, you're saying that this person is inauthentically creating content here. I know it comes to a bag. That's what it comes. Yeah. So that was their room. Then another host, Jimmy Dorley.

You think he's actually gay? I didn't check. I don't know. That's his business. Not my business. He's that in check. No, his husband also worked with us. His husband also, so you verified it.

Yeah. The young jerks. That's a different thing. A different thing. Okay. That's led by chunky yogurt. That's how you get the chunky yogurt up. Okay, so you have people that start to leave.

Yeah, so then Jimmy Dore leaves. He says something mean, et cetera. Now we got what I would call the radical left that it taxes. Okay. So we said disobeyed, disobey, they're like, they listen. So they're like, okay, now we're disobeying you. And I don't put down any rules. I just say there's three, okay, well, let me commend that.

What do you call disobedience? Yeah. Is it possible that they just have a difference of opinion? They might have some merit to their opinion? Yeah, like what is disobedience? Yeah, no chance. Okay. No, seriously, we have three rules at TYT, okay? One is no lies.

You just, I don't care if you think it's going to match your ideology. You're not allowed to play it around with the facts. Okay. Number two is no call for violence, nothing physical. Like we go protests, we're super loud, but we're always peaceful. Civil disobedience, do it the right way, the civil rights way. Okay? And number three is don't talk shit publicly about your fellow TYT hosts and staff.

Okay. Makes perfect sense. Okay. So that makes sense, right? So what do they start doing? So they disagree with me. No problem. We have like, we have like 30 hosts.

Well, all of them disagree with me to some degree, right? Good. Some of them disagree a lot. So we have people who are very far left. We got people who are pretty centrist and we got the whole left wing cover. Great. So that's perfect. And we have fights like crazy.

Like we got Ben Glebe, who's pro-Israel, me and him yell at each other on air. We got Jordan and a whole bunch of other guys who are far left on some issues like transports and stuff, and we yell at each other, but we're good. We go on the next story and we do it and we have fun and we laughs. It's good. It's all good, right? Some people are like, no, you're not allowed to disagree on trans sports. But what does that mean? I'm not allowed to disagree.

They're like, no, the correct position is that if you care about vulnerable communities and trans people, you must say that they should be allowed to play for. professional sports. And if you don't, you're being disobedient and they will say things like, oh, well, that's because you weren't educated. There's some books. You should read these books, right? And if you read those books, you would know that we were right. And so, you know, you should apologize to us for disagreeing with us. I'm like, no, I'm not going to apologize to you for disagreeing. What are you nuts? Yeah. So then one, the other day I had to say, she's just a contractor. She wasn't an employee or anything, but she was one of our hosts. She'd come on regularly. I liked her. And we had, we had, a good personal relationship and stuff.

And we disagree over the tiniest things like transports. She comes out there and starts making videos about, Jen's a bitch, and he's so dumb. And I'm like, what are you doing? This is, and one of the other hosts had attacked her years ago, right? And that was Jimmy, and I was like, Jimmy, you're not allowed to do that shit, okay? I will take you off the fucking air if you hit, if you say one more thing about Francesca, right? Sam Cedar used to be part of the general network, not an employee, but like was related in some way.

he used to hit Jimmy and I stopped him from coming on air because I'm like, guys, we can just say your opinion. You don't have to say the other guy's a dirtbag, right? You could say the other guys 100% wrong, right? But don't talk about it. But don't insult you personally. Yeah. And so now, no, no, radical left like hates me, hates me. And it's not radical as in far left. Yeah, some of them are far left. But now that a lot of the old moderates, the ones who thought Biden was young and dynamic and Kamau was a perfect candidate and Hillary couldn't lose, they've become radical because they'll be like, oh, if you say Trump was right to not attack Iran, you say Trump was right, I fucking hate you. You're a heretic and you're canceled, okay? And I'm like,

wait, we don't want to attack Iran, right? He's saying, don't attack Iran. Why is that wrong to agree with him on that? Have you studied what happens to? No, that empowers him. And I talk to the right wing? They hate that I talk to the right wing. They hate it. They're like, oh, no, if you go on there, you just have to yell at him. I can't believe you want on Tim Pool or Patrick or Patrick or Charlie Kirk. And, you know, you're supposed to call him a Nazi and a racist. And if you don't, they think that all 71 million people that voted for Trump are all racist. Yeah. I'm like, no, no, guys, a lot of them at the outer edges, the radical right are, right? But the ones closer to us, a lot of them were voted for Bernie earlier.

You know, it's so crazy. I hate, like, you know, people like to say it's not, it was never about the price to eggs. I'm like, stop saying that as this broad generalization. Because it's nuanced. To some people, it was about the price of eggs. Yes. The other people it might have been about, you know, racism and white supremacy. The other people that might have been about immigration. Immigration. Like, everybody had different reasons. Don't just say, it was never about the price of eggs. All of y'all are racist. What? Yeah. That makes no sense. It makes no sense. Yep. Have you heard, you see what happens to people who like are part of a cult when it gets exposed.

Do you see what they do? The logical conclusion would be that they leave the cult. But what actually happens is they become more devout. And I think that's kind of what you're describing with the people who are like, Hillary's going to do it,

and Biden is young and virile, and Kamas the perfect candidate. Instead of going, ooh, maybe we're being a little bit misled here and these weren't the perfect people to run, they're going, no, anybody who can't see this is a heretic. 100%.

This is the one true way. Because it's embarrassing to acknowledge that you are wrong. So the perfect example is actually is related to you. Oh, nice. Yeah, because Buttigieg came and talked to you. Yes, yes. And loved it. The radical moderates were like, fuck Buttigieg.

I'm like, wait, Andrew's a light-long Democrat. The radical moderates is such a funny term. Isn't it? But it's true. Do we even have moderates anymore? I mean, I don't know what they are. I think the majority of us are moderate. And I think that we just don't have a place.

And I think that we're like labeled that way by people who don't really understand or can't explain something that they're seeing that they actually might like. So Buttigieg comes on and has maybe the biggest interview of his career. And it's this great conversation. And they're forced to reckon with this idea of, wait a minute, did I misunderstand who Andrew and his crew was? Did I misunderstand who Pete was too? Did I just read a bunch of headlines about someone I don't really know and form an opinion

about him? Yes. And rather than just admitting that I was wrong about someone who I've never really indulged in, I'm just going to go, this is fucked up because I don't want to look at myself. And that's a human thing. Like, I have a lot of empathy for people who have those feelings.

I think, you know, Bernie comes on and eventually you see the whole media apparatus starting to soften. And there's no acknowledgement that they maybe painted us in a way that was unfair. They just start shifting the way that they cover the stories. And that's as close as they'll get.

I think some people forget you're a comedian. Some people forget satire. Very smart guy politically. but, you know, if you're on here with some shades and a flag draped over you yelling MAGA. And that's the only clip you see. Of course. Exactly. That's why, like, I go, listen, I make the decision to say certain things.

I make the decision to be in front of camera knowing it could be clipped out of context. So, like, I have to be accountable for how people could misinterpret things. There was this whole fucking article that, like, this thing happened where I was talking to two other comedians on triggerometry, right? And I'm doing, like, the most reductive argument ever about, like, they're trying to go. what's happening with the parties and what's happening with like Trump and males and everybody's trying to like understand that shit. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, the parties switch their priorities all the time. Like when I was a kid, Clinton was cool. He's getting some pussy.

And the Republicans were like, don't listen to rock music. It's bad. And now the Democrats are like, don't say those no no words. That's bad. And then Trump got three baby mamas. I'm being purposely reductive, right? And I saw actual journalists like look at it and just be like, what a stupid reason of vote for Trump. And I'm like, yeah, I'm making it stupid.

I'm trying to show you how hypocritical the parties are going, why did people leave us? It's like, no, no, you've shifted your priorities, and people haven't changed who they are. But this is like, whatever, this is the... I want to ask you some about that. What is what is considered far left now? Because to me, it seems like the AOCs of the world, the Bernie Sanders, they seem like the moderates. Because they're only speaking comments and stuff that people want. Free health care, free education, more food in your pocket.

We want to keep the country safe. That's what everybody wanted at the end of the day. So what is considered far left? The transport thing? Kind of, yeah. Okay. So first let's break down moderate because that's going to inform our discussion of far left, right? So why is moderate a bad word?

Wait a minute. Most of the country is by definition moderate, right? That's the whole point. If you're about two thirds of countries in the center, so you call them centrists or moderate. So moderate became a dirty word because of what mainstream media did. Mainstream media would take radical corporatism. like Joe Manchin, and Here's the Cinema, and every Republican in the Senate, they'd call them moderates.

But they weren't moderate at all. So Joe Manchin was a guest paid family leave. Paid family leaves at 84%. So he's in the 16%. He's a radical who only serves as donors, but CNN and New York Times called him a moderate every single time. So the most corporate, the most corrupt politicians were labeled by the New York Times and CNN as moderates.

Wow. So then moderate became a dirty word. When there's no reason for moderate to be a dirty word. That's the majority of the country, right? So then what's right and left if... Real quick, before we move on. I also think there's something where people who have a little bit more passionate or extreme beliefs view politics in a good and evil scenario.

So being moderate about good and evil is evil to them. Yeah. See, that goes to the radical nature. Do you know what I'm saying? Because radical is not about a part of the political spectrum. It's about a way of thinking. Yes. And the two huge parts of being radical is no dissent is allowed.

You must agree with the ideology 100%. That's why transports becomes such a huge thing. It's not that it's like 10 or 20% of your ideology. It's that even 1% disagreement is not allowed by radicals. Right? And yes, because the... Which is crazy because they only make up 1% of the population. Trans people.

My theory on the transports thing is that like, it's the last run of the latter. And I think this conversation is like just so... I'm exhausted. No, no, not this specific one, but like, like, wokeness, I think is done. Like, anybody raging against world culture now that, like, Trump is in office, it's like, you're no longer, like,

rebelling against the system. You're doing propaganda for the machine. So I'm like, it's just kind of annoying. But I understood as we got there. And I think what the transports thing was like, the first run of the rung of the ladder was, was calling Hispanic people Latin X. and like if you have any Latin friends,

none of them want to be called Latinx, but you got a bunch of white people in Ivy League schools that are going, yo, if you don't do that, you're a racist or you're a bigot. And you're like, that's funny because all my Mexican homies don't even know what the fuck Latinx is. So you go, that's weird, but I'm being called a racist or a bigot.

And then you go up another rung. And then there's another thing that doesn't really seem like it makes common sense, but you still get called a racist or a bigot or insensitive. And then you get to the top rung and you're just looking for some proof that you're not the weirdo, that your line of thinking is reasonable.

And I think when you have the most, like, drastic scenario, which is like, is it okay if, like, a person born as a male is doing an MMA match with a person born as a female? And you go, I don't think that that's fair. And they go, what are you a bigot? You go, okay, you're the one that's a little bit delusional here. Exactly. So I don't even think.

That's the point I got to. I don't think that they actually care about the trans issue as much as they care about proving to these people that are calling them a racist or a bigot for their ideas that they're the ones that are irrational. How did we get here? It's like a placeholder for normalcy. How did we get here?

And it's virtue. Yeah. Yeah, it's saying I'm more pure than you. And that's the same. And the other rule. And we all want purity. And the only way we can get that is Jesus Christ. Do we really want purity?

Like seriously, do we really want purity? No, no, no. We just want something to make things. Don't make me feel spooky. We don't want to feel gaslit, I think, is the term that the kids you. You know, Andrew's kidding because that's what radicals want. want purity. Like you're not a lot, you have to be, and radical religious people are the same way. You're not a lot to disagree with radical Islam. Why? Who made you Allah? Right? Yeah. Why can't I

interpret the Quran any way I want? Why do you get to, oh, are you the only one who gets to interpret the Quran? Same thing with radical Christians, right? Oh, you have to be more hardcore and you have to be in favor of this and that and we have to go blow up Israel and whatever when Jesus comes. I'm like, no, you made that up in the 1970s. And some stupid books that were written here America. That's not true at all. But the radicals always claim they're the most pure. They're the only ones who really represent their side. So what happened to the left? Bernie's coalition kind of splintered to two. There was the far left that are like, you disagree at all. Transports. For a while, they were saying there's no crime in any of the big cities. Between 2019 and 2020. And I was like,

you guys are nuts. Here's the crime statistics. They're going up. Here's people in Oakland who are super fucking pissed, right? But I even hate the opposite. The people that'll tell you that they don't live in these cities, but they'll tell us crime is down, but we have the lived experience, but they're showing us that saying, no, look, crime is actually down.

And then they just stop prosecuting crimes so they could be like, no, see, it's down. They just change the rules. So I was like, look, man, nobody was more pissed about police abuse than young Turks were, right? Benjamin Crump was amazing. He came on the show and said,

if it wasn't for you guys, Trayvon Martin Wooden. never been a national story, right? Because we pounded that. We're like, what the fuck did they, did that guy kill that kid for, right? Tamir Rice in Cleveland, they shoot him in two seconds flat, 12 years old, he's got a toy gun in the park, right? So we're like, don't shoot that fast, retrain the cops. Their lives are not less expensive, they're more expensive. Like, if it's a tough job, it's because you're supposed to pause before you shoot, right? And stop doing stop and frisk on only blacks and Latinos. So we had really reasonable requests.

You know, I don't know. The numbers game, guys. The number game. Nowadays, you got to do them on guys that look like Andrew. No, it's true. You've got hit. We've got hit. We've got to be in large environments with a lot of people.

You see someone climbing a roof at a Trump out. Stop and frisk. Yeah. So that's what we asked for. Then what did they pass? In California and New York and stuff, they came in and they're like, all right, let's turn these felonies into misdemeanor. I'm like, who asked for that?

Yeah. Who do you fuck ask for that? One of them is like domestic assault. I'm like, wait, what's going on? Why is that a misdemeanor all of a sudden? Right? We didn't ask for that. And so then they're like, no, that's it.

You're a right winger. I'm not a right winger. We never fucking asked for this. No one asked for it. And so then they get super mad about that. So anytime you disagree, even on the most reasonable things, they lose it. They get so mad. So I'm like, all right, I don't need these guys.

These guys are toxic, et cetera. Let's take the economically populace. part of Bernie, right? And like, pay family leave, medical, class issue, like lower drug prices, higher wages, lower housing prices, simple, anti-war, get money out of politics, all these poll at 65% or higher. And I said, why don't we do something crazy, like run on our most popular policy? Yeah. Right? And that's it. And that's why Bernie seems like the middle now, because people are like, wait a minute, if you just take his economic policies, which, by the way, that's all Bernie ever had, right? That other stuff got put on to him.

I think he was, I think social issues were concerned for him. In 2020, in 2016, he was all economics, all about class. By the way, there's nothing wrong with that. Like, yo, I say it all the time, man, every American, I don't care what your race is, sexuality, gender, two things you care about. Having more money in your pocket and being safe. That's it. How can you make me feel that way? Yeah.

Stopping for us. Yeah. In some cases, in some cases, we just wanted to be more fair. Chris had a great idea. Chris was like, yo, stop everybody. Yeah. No, hit a certain number of white people every day.

Quotas. I'm fine with that. No, no, quotas. I'm fine with that. Look, it's so, like, do it based on action, obviously. Not on looks. It's ridiculous. So, like, if you're going through an airport

and some guy's got a sweaty mustache on, and he's all nervous as shit, stop and frisking, right? I don't care if he's white or black or Muslim or Jewish just based on how he's acting, right? Yeah. If you know he's in a gang, okay, et cetera, right? But that still kind of looks, though. He's just got to, if he's just sweaty and air, he might be running to catch his flight. Yeah, and I get sweaty.

I get it, but at least there's a basis for it. You're getting stopped, buddy. You don't worry about it. They got you down. Put on a little blazer thinking white. This guy's adorable. Back in TSA. But that's exactly my point, too.

So when the far left, radical left, whatever, is like, oh, no, you're hurting vulnerable communities. I'm like, bitch, I'm Muslim, okay? Like, don't talk to me about vulnerable communities. But it doesn't mean the most radical answer is the correct answer. Correct. Right? So they go and have a protest for the Palestinians in D.C.

a couple months ago. I'm like, oh, great. I love it. You know, stand up for them. Some guy burns an American flag, and then another guy writes Hamas on a statue. I'm like, fuck. We're trying to get America to love Palestinians.

Right. So they protect Palestinians. Yeah, you're allowed to burn the flag, but it's super dumb. Question. Don't write Hamas on a fucking statue. Are you crazy? The most radical answer isn't the correct answer. But not only that, what was that thing called where the FBI was putting their own people at these protests?

Cointel pro. It's like when you see what happens, you see that that rally, you see what happens at the protests in L.A. And it's like, the FBI used to have to put their people into these protests to do these things so that they could completely dismantle the protest. Agitators. Yeah, agitators. He goes, now people are doing it for the FBI. The FBI is just sitting back. They're going like, oh, these fucking idiots, we don't even have to get up today.

Because you're finding a way to discredit the whole movement, which has a lot of value. Unless the agitators coming from outside of the country. Say that again? That is true. Wait, wait, wait, say that again? Unless the agitators no longer the FBI and it's coming from outside of the country. Oh, you're saying like, uh, Russia? China, Russia.

Russia. But listen, isn't it up to that crowd, like the rest of the Muslims that were there, shouldn't they denounce them in that behavior loudly, publicly? In fact, I thought about this actually a little bit, which is like, I think what's difficult, and I'm saying this is a complete outsider's a white guy, but I imagine that within the black community, there are certain things that might happen, that the black community looks at and they're like, this is fucked up, it might make us look bad,

But if we are out here vocalizing it, some fucking dude on Fox News is going to go, see, look, you and black people are fed up with black people. And there might be concerned that, like, your own discomfort with a situation will be used against your community to, like, label in a way. I can see that. So I think sometimes it's harder for communities that are trying to fight for their own rights to acknowledge things that are happening that they disprove of. So, Andrew, that's definitely right.

And I get where that comes from. Yeah. But it's, even though that instinct is understandable, it's wrong. I agree with, I agree. I'm more empathizing why there's like, like I have so many Jewish friends. Like literally every one of my Jewish friends right now, they might not vocalize it, but they're like, dude, BB's fucking insane. This guy's got to go.

They were saying that before October 7. I know, exactly. And I think now they're feeling a lot of this criticism. They're like, I want to say it out loud, but I don't know how to say it. And I would go, no, no, no, you need to say it because otherwise people are going to think that you're supporting what's going on. Yes. But they're terrified, but if they say it, it looks like they're going to be used as like a bargaining chip and trying to spread at the movement.

So I just have empathy for people who are scared to do it. But I agree with you. It's the right thing to do. And it's the courageous thing to do. So let me connect all those things. So like, if you're Muslim, you're asked to denounce every terrorist every single time, right? Okay, do you have to denounce Amas and Hezbollah and Ahmed and Mehmed and everybody, right? but if you say to someone Jewish,

now you have to denounce that in the other? They're like, anti-Semite. How dare you? I don't speak for all Jews, et cetera. You can't, yeah. Okay, now that's true. But that wasn't the case before I told Bustavito. Half the country is protesting against the guy.

So, like, if I said to Jewish people, you got to denounce Israel, right? They would say that was the most anti-Semitic thing in the whole wide world. I can't believe that. But then if Muslim does a terrorist attack, they say, now you have to denounce him. Why do I have to denounce him if you don't have to denounce Israel doing a job? Well, they would argue it's not a terrorist attack. Well, I would argue that disagree with them, but I'm just saying what the argument is.

I would argue murdering 17,000 children is terror. That would be the argument. You're saying that would be the argument there may make, not justifying the position. So, but my point isn't they have to denounce Israel, right? It is more beneficial for the movement and is more beneficial for living in a civil society when you can acknowledge things that are beneath your baseline. Yeah. So, for example, Hamas goes and does October 7th.

That's so easy to denounce. Absolutely. Right? And I don't want to be associated with October 7. That was terrible. They did barbaric things. I don't want people thinking that that's what Muslims do. That's eat.

I want to denounce it. Right. Do you see what I'm saying? Yep. Yep. And if Turkey was doing a genocide or America's doing a genocide, I would denounce it. Right. Right.

And in fact, I already lived it because we did Iraq. We killed hundreds of thousands of people. And what did I do from day one before day one? Yeah. We were the only one of only two national shows, Young Ter spent on forever, right? Saying, don't go in. Don't go in. Admiral Akbar, it's a trap, right?

It took you guys a little bit to acknowledge Armenia. Yes, including me. It took the little bit. That's what happens. Maybe you've got to give them a few years. No, but Andrew's right. And they'll be able to acknowledge it. Because, and I empathize with Jewish folks completely because of that, right?

Like, you tell a Turkish person who's pro Bernie Sanders super progressive, how about the Kurds? They're like, oh, no, no, fuck no, right? They're terrorists, et cetera. How about the Armenian genocide? Oh, no way, we're not going to recognize that. right? So I'm asking people to get outside your comfort zone and say, yeah, if a Muslim does it, it's bad, if a Jew does it, it's bad, if a Christian does it, it's bad, if it's bad, right? That is bad. The example you gave is great because, you know, and me and Chris was talking about

this the other day, it's like, yo, when 9-11 happened, right, and America did what it did, it was declared an act of war. Yeah. So that's how people in Israel look at it. They look at it, we're at war with Gaza. They're not looking at it as, this is a genocide, all of these innocent kids and women and civilians are getting killed. Yeah, that's what a lie. I got to say, there's one thing. Because a lot of people don't understand that others don't think like that, right? They have a different perspective, and it's so hard for people to grasp that.

So then they assume that the other side is evil, right? So they say, like, oh, the Israelis are evil. The Israelis aren't evil. It's just a power dynamic. And the way that it developed, the people inside Israel genuinely believe that they're a war, and that if they give the Palestinians any rights, and if they stop bombing them, they're all going to die, right? It's not true.

They're totally wrong, right? But they genuinely believe that. So that's why they're doing, not because they're like, let's kill more Muslims, right? But it doesn't mean that you don't try to stop them. You try to stop them because they're wrong, right? But you don't have to do it by hating them. Because once we start hating one another, the war never at.

Yeah, everything becomes justified. And how did we look? One more thing about it. But to that point, to the point you just made, it is very hard to not hate somebody, you see them killing a bunch of innocent women, children, and just people. Yeah. And so, but that's why.

And real quick, I think what, like, I think what Jewish people or at least Israeli people would say in that moment would be like, okay, so then how do we make sure that we're safe? They're like, I don't like Bibi, I don't like this curtain cover, I don't like the settlers, I don't like the extreme right wing, I think it's awful what's happening on the West Bank. Like, but if we just stop right now, do you really think that they're not going to keep bombing us? Yes. And you would say yes. 100%.

And they would say, which I'm sure you've had these conversations, they would say, I don't think that's going to happen. And I'll be honest, I've been in these conversations where I'm like, I don't know what they would do. I would hold on. You're positive that Hamas are any type of terrorist organization would stop going after Israel if Idril ceasefire now? Yeah, no, hold on.

Let me explain. Okay. So every time that there's a peace deal, you negotiate with an enemy. And an enemy that's usually killed a lot of your people and you killed a lot of their people, so you fucking hate them. You don't get to negotiate with friends, right? So is it possible to end the cycle of hatred? Yes, it's happened a thousand times throughout history,

and I want to tell you about the civil rights movement and how we broke it here in America. But the best example is Israel itself. It made a peace deal with its worst enemy, Egypt, right? Now, Egypt and Israel had gone into several wars, and Egypt led all the Arab countries that attack Israel, right? So there were Hamas times a thousand. In that sense, right?

And back, Hamas has almost no power. The most they could do is October 7th, right? Which is already terrible. It's a lot, yeah. But back then in 67 and 73, Israel was legitimately worried. They were going to get wiped off the face of the earth by these fucking Egyptians who keep attacking. And they're going to kill us all. And they did a peace deal.

Zero attack since then. Zero, right? By Egypt. By Egypt. Yeah. Peace deals work. Are they magic? They work perfectly every time?

No. But do they generally work? Yes, did Israel already make a peace seal that's a thousand times bigger than the one that they're currently contemplating? Yes, did it work? Yes. Right? Yeah, I don't know.

I think the, yeah. Let the Jewish man talk. Let the Jew go. I think the difference is the Egyptians weren't fighting for their own survival. They were fighting for dominance within the region, but the Palestinians feel, as a Jew, I got to admit it rightfully, we don't have anything. We have to keep. Egypt.

Hold on, hold on, but think about that. Think about that. So my idea, my solution is, easy. You do a deal. Make it turkey. Bring back the Ottoman Empire. Everybody was happy during the Ottoman Empire, right? Isn't that what they tell us?

But we would know a thing or two about it because we used to occupy Palestine. That's right. We used to occupy Israel. Yeah, you sold it to the Israelis. It's really your fault. Yeah. Well, I know.

You did. You sold some land. But this is what I would say to my Jewish friends, right? So, the Ottoman Empire did the Armenian genocide, right? Killed tons and tons of Armenians, right? Way more than the Palestinians killed in Gaza, right? So then do the Armenians, did the Armenians at that time hate us? Of course they hated us.

We just fucking butchered them. Of course they hated us, right? If you had given Armenian rebels at the time that you could call terrorists or rebels or freedom fighters, depending on your perspective, if you gave them a button and said, wipe all Turks off the face of the earth. My guess is 99 out of 100 of those guys would have pressed the button, right? So then the Turks could say, well, I can't give up any sovereignty to the Armenians. They'd kill us all.

And they would have, right? But that's because you butcher them. That's because you can't. So in this case, the Palestinians have been occupied for 58 years. Right. How long does it take? No, no. I've got to be honest.

It's deeply racist to say, and I'll say it, to say that Muslims cannot control themselves. Who's saying that? Israelis. If we give them a state, that's it. They're going to bomb us. They're violent savages. Violence savages. Hey, you're the one occupying them.

You're the one killing them. That's fair. But nobody in this room is saying that. No, no, no. I just want to make sure. So what I think there is like one, I think there's one little thing here that is probably important to bring up, which is like, there are at least one other country that seems to be involved, financial.

and militarily in this circumstance, in terms of the defense of the Palestinian people, that you could make the argument that they really care about their sovereignty and their protection. Iran? Iran? Yeah, Iran. So, and it's like, if Iran was like, okay,

I'm not going to fund anything else or Qatar or whatever. And you could be 100% right. What I'm saying is the average person in Israel that's against BB, hates what's happening, wants peace. are they wrong to assume that war would potentially continue even if there was a peace deal? They're definitely wrong. They're definitely wrong. So because they say, okay, look, we've kept these five and a half million people

as hostages basically for 58 years. We've given them no rights. And by the way, any time we want, we could apparently come in and destroy their entire living area. We could starve them. We could do whatever we want. It's fair to call it apartheid. It's at a minimum apartheid, right?

And then they're like, I can't believe they're fighting back. Okay, my precondition, hold on, my precondition for letting you go is that you have to love me and you have to all stop fighting me forever and ever and ever, even though I still keep you as prisoners. And I make you no goddamn promises. And I keep taking more of your land on the West Bank. Now I'm going to take all of Gaza's trip. Yeah. And you don't love me enough.

Now, fuck off. No way. No way. I think you're making a compelling argument. It's not addressing what I'm presenting, though. Okay, go ahead. Which is in this idyllic scenario that you have described, which is just like, let them have their sovereignty, let them have their agency and their rights, their own country, the place where they go, right? Yeah.

Given the history and the hatred that exists and other countries that are stoking the fire. Well, why are they stoking the fire? Well, now we're going to get into a geopolitical discussion about what's happening with other Arab states and Israel. And are some of these actions meant to fracture relations between Israel and since? Saudi or Israel and the Emirates. Like, we can't, we can't act like geopolitical discussions are. It seems like I'm, listen, you rolling your eyes makes me at least feel in this moment that you think that I'm defending the actions.

I'm not defending the actions at all. What I'm trying to get us to understand is it's not as simple as, hey, guys, can you just agree on this ceasefire and then go your separate page? Yeah, I agree. Then under that, you would never get a peace deal. Let me ask you a question. You would never get one. Let me ask you a question.

And why would you never get one? I can't trust those motherfucking Arabs and Muslims. I can't trust them. You're violent, they're savage. You know what you're not factoring in? You're not factoring in plain old human emotions. Because how do you forgive and forget? Well, how are the Palestinians going to forget the monstrous actions of Israel?

How do both sides just forgive and forget when so much blood are said? Because that's what happens in every peace deal. In the civil war, we killed 600,000 people our south and north. But there's no peace? And the north came in and just pulpized the South. no peace, really? No. We learned to be a little civil, but, you know, there's really no peace eventually.

You can say Japan is an ally now. Japan's an ally. Germany is an ally. Egypt and Israel are allies. But is that because everybody that was around and remembered have died out? No, but that didn't happen with Israel. There was. But there was part of the truth.

Like, there was court hearings and there was punishments held for the people that were in power. You know, this is a different thing. Like, if you want a process, there has to be some accountability and some agency. Well, there's also a Marshall plan. And there was also McCarthy in Japan. And that's, as much as I hate to admit this, the one thing I think Trump might have right is when he does that ridiculous AI video of a gleaming new Gaza, that's what's going to take. It's throwing fucking money of this shit.

Guys, so the solutions already exist. The 53 Arab estate coalition has said, we would definitely recognize Israel. we will help make sure that Hamas does not get back into Gaza, okay? So we'll take on that responsibility. But then it'll be another terrorist organization later. No, no, and we'll fund the reconstruction. I actually, I love this scenario. What is this?

Because I'm not familiar with it. The 53 Arab states have said recognize Israel, we'll rebuild Gaza, and we'll make sure Hamas doesn't get back yet. You can't ask for more than that. If you ask for more than that, you don't want. Can I ask you a question? This is a, we don't have to have like concrete. facts for this, right? But like, do you think that there's any part of maybe some of the Arab

states that are going, hey, we have to transition into economy that is not reliant on oil? We can look at tourism and destinations as a way to function for the next 100 years. Maybe, who knows, we develop fusion with AI and now oil's worth nothing because we can turn air into oil, right? Like, we have to look at what the next 200 years is, and it's probably not going to be oil dependent. Let's build up our countries, have to be destinations for people to come to. We cannot have that if there is uncertainty. We cannot have that as there's terrorism. Is there any way that a couple of these Arab states are just going like, listen, we're going to look the other way. You guys get fucking Hamas out of there because we're not going to intervene. They could.

They have militaries that you guys do whatever the fuck you want. Get them out of there. And when it's cleaned up, then we'll make sure that this is a fun, safe place for everybody to come party at. Is there a possibility that there is at least some of them looking the other way because of that? I'm no fan of the Arab states. I didn't ask you if you're a fan. I just asked like this hypothetical scenario, like why there seems to be not so much of, I don't want to say interference, but there doesn't seem to be much objection. No, no.

The Arab states, like all governments, look out for themselves first. Got it. Right? And especially because a lot of them are dictatorships, they're going to look out for, like, the top guys, the princes before they look out for their own people, let alone the Palestinian people. Right. Got it. So does that happen?

Of course it happened. Right? Got it. Do they have ulterior motors? They might have ulterior motors. But look, go back to how you get to peace. So I'll give you one interesting example. Turkey and Greeks, Turks and Greeks live together in Cyprus.

So Greeks are about 60%, Turks are about 40%. Okay, this is a good example you're about to bring up that. Yeah, yeah, no, no. I'm about to bring up a horrible fucking example. Well, let's see what happens. Okay. Shoot is shoot. My old means, I cannot believe you're bringing up the Cypri.

But go on. So the Greeks, since they're the majority, they win in a democracy, right? But they're still pissed at the Turks for 500 years of occupation. So they're taking out some Turks every once in a while. There's violence, violence, violence. And the Turkish government's like, cut the shit out, cut the shit out. And they won't. And so they actually go to England to negotiate and they're not getting anything.

The Turkish prime minister calls the general and says send the mother. That means invade Cyprus. Okay, so they invade Cyprus. They take the whole island. Then they do something amazing. They give 60% of it back to the Greeks. They take 40%. Now, a lot of bad things, because one, there was an invasion.

Two, the Greeks that were on the Turkish side got to move to the other side. The Turks that were on the Greek side, got to move to the other side. So that's all bad, okay? But then they build a giant wall. And you know how many people have died in Cyprus since then? Zero.

Yeah. So you want them to build the wall? Yes, I do. I get a piece deal, but I'm not playing. You want Israel to build the wall. They already built one. But the point is, these people can never live together, and we should just build a wall and divide them.

That's your point. For about 50 years, then they'll be fine. Right, got it. Seriously. Like, if you do 1967 borders and you go West Bank and Gaza is Palestine, this is Israel, build the biggest walls, the world, make great wall of China look like child's play. When I think about all of these,

and nobody's going to die. Here's my, and this is not a solution, but here's what I would do if I was prime minister or whatever of Israel. I would make the West Bank of Palestinian Paradise. That's what I'm saying. I would go, hey, why don't we prove that a place without a terrorist organization that has leadership can be an amazing life for Arabs, Palestinians, for Christian Palestinians. You're going to let the Palestinian state? No, no, not only let the state.

Do not do any more settlements? Like make this place a beautiful place where these people can thrive. So the opposite of Brooklyn. You're going to build it up and make it nice and leave the locals there. And like allow that. to thrive and have this amazing life. And then it's this example of like what could be, right? So Andrew, the problem is that there are people in the government that don't want that fucking thing.

Exactly. And they're sending settlements. And it's like, yeah. There's a difference between political leaders in a government and the people themselves, right? 100%. So whether you're talking about Jews overall or you're talking about Israeli citizens, do they want perpetual war? No, they don't. Right.

Of course not. Do they want to take more Arab land? No, they just want to be safe. Yes. And, you know, to your point about the two things that want money, they want to be safe. just like any human being, right? So, but the leaders want something else. Yes.

They want Greater Israel. For their own salvation to. And for their own self-interest. So what is Greater Israel? You take Gaza's trip, you take the West Bank. You take, by the way, Western Syria, they're in Western Syria. Lebanon, maybe. You take Southern Lebanon.

They're in Southern Lebanon. So if they have a map in the Knesset of Greater Israel in their cabinet, and it includes all of that land. And now, oh, look at that. We found a way to get all of that. of that land while pretending to do self-defense. Okay? So I'm not putting that on the Israeli people.

I don't think that they think that. They're not part of any cabal. They're not part of any conspiracy. They're just regular people. Question. Are they pretending to do self-defense? I'm just asking, because like I said, to them it's an act of war.

They were-acted. No, no. So when you say on October 8th is a self-defense, yes. Okay. And I said they should use special forces. They should actually went and found Hamas. Oh, well, that's dangerous.

Well, no shit. You're like, you're the IDF. Carpet bombing the civilians isn't helping you. It didn't even get Hamas, right? Get in, I get it, you got to do self-defense. We're two years later. What's self-defense? And they just announced in their cabinet, we're taking Gaza.

We're taking it, right? They have this hilarious bullshit about, oh, no, we're going to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians and push them into the Sinai Desert. But don't worry, we'll let them back in a couple of years. They're not letting them back. They're just stealing it, okay? So people have to separate out the Israeli people and the government. What is the objection to the Arab coalition that runs Gaza and make sure that there's no terrorist entity that's there?

Like, I love that idea. One, I think it'd probably be better for Palestinians to not be ruled over by Israelis, obviously because of like historical implications. But also, like, what a fantastic idea to rebuild the region. And like... Well, I mean, I think we're leaving two, a major component out on both sides of the conversation. which is religion, right? I do think the mass of Palestinians, Jews, whoever's in the region want the same thing to the point.

I want to make some money. I want to be safe. And I agree. Do I think every Israeli is sitting around, wringing their hands, everyone can kill some Arabs? No, I have to be real, though. There are religious Jews who believe...

Yeah. That's who's doing the settlements, right? This is ours. This is our God-given right. We're doing this, come hell or high water. They are radicals. Yeah. And there are the same elements on the other side who feel this is ours.

It's our given right. And I think they're the ones forcing this thing constantly. Stoke in the flames. There's one other religion that's creating a problem. So you're right. Radical Jews want all greater Israel. Radical Muslims think it's the holy land. Ours.

But then there's a Christian Zionist here in America. Sure. And that's what I was referring to. They're falling off. They are falling off, but they still had a lot of power. That was like 80s, 90s. Now I feel like. They're back.

No, no. Huckabee's the ambassador to Israel. Huckabee's 100 years old. I feel like, to be honest, like the religious right in America is actually acting. They're quite critical. No, they're getting better. They're getting better. But for a long, long time, the Christian Zionists were more powerful than APEC, right?

So what the Christian Zionists want is these idiots. The Jews got to be in the Holy Land in order for Jesus to come back and then kill them all so that they can happen. Right. The right now shows up. They have this whole rigumeral. That would prove they were right. That would be kidding. How would you report that?

Like, seriously, if Jesus actually came back. What would you say? No, no. I'd be like, welcome to the Young Turks. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it, Jesus. I didn't mean it.

You know why? Because I believe in facts. If he came back, that I was wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, one of my friends in Turkey says, you know, Jake, be on the left. It's so hard to make money, man. Why do you just one day wake up and say you saw Jesus in a dream?

And you found Jesus. Let's get rich. Let's get rich. Just say you found Jesus. And now you're a right winger. They'll give you so much money. Yeah. Right?

But of course I'm not going to do that. So but those guys were like had this seven step plan. They have to destroy all oxa mosque. Israel has to take the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Then Jesus comes back and kills everyone. And I'm like, why do you even want Jesus to kill everyone? Like what a crazy crazy. It's not in the Bible.

It's not in the Bible. It's made this shit up in America. This is the holding. We're just in the holding cell, man. We've got to go to the greater pastures. That's what it's all about. Yeah. We're just hanging out until we go to heaven.

You said something early that makes a lot of sense. You said that, you know, the government thinks one way and the people think another way. And that's why I go back to the point I made earlier. How are the people ever going to forget this to where there's actual peace? How are they ever going to forgive? Either side. If you lost family on October 7th, if your family was one of the people that got killed and God's like, how are you ever going to forgive the other side? honest, ever.

I don't know. Even if the government said it's peace. Bro, I'll, I'll give you a good example in a bag ofium. Okay. So, Turks at war with everyone for 500 years, right? It makes Israel look like child's play. We occupied everybody, right? So the minute that we, after world, we lost in World War I, so all that's over, right?

So the Armenians and the Greeks think that we hate them. But I know Turks. We don't hate them at all. Okay. Why? Because we were the ones who fucked them up. They didn't fuck us up too bad, right? I mean, in World War I, a lot of people got killed.

But overall, we're not sweating it. Like, I don't know any Turk that hates Armenians or Greeks. None, right? So one side's almost covered. Like, if it was really a peace deal... Do you don't know any Turks that hate Greeks? No, I don't. I swear to God.

And I tell you, like... They got all the hate out. Yeah, we did. I mean, like, because we were the ones kicking their ass, right? No Turks. We got all the hate out. It's hilarious. Who invented Baklava?

The Turks, huh? Yeah. But I don't hate him for saying it. So now, do the Armenians still hate the Turks? Yes. Yes. Okay. I think that it's just the feeling of a lack of acknowledgement of what happened.

And that's why I think acknowledging things is helpful. Acknowledging is huge. And that's Germany. And all it takes is one, right? What would they call the Nuremberg trials? I think that part of that, the Nuremberg trials is obviously justice being served, but also this idea of like admission and an ability to hopefully

in decades move forward. And I think that that is very important to doing that. Like I think, you know, the Chinese, do the Japanese hate the Chinese? No. The Chinese still hate their Japanese because of the rape of Nanking. Yeah. And Japan never acknowledged it, and that's why they're super mad.

Turkey never acknowledged the Armenian genocide why the Armenians are super mad. But I'm in an Uber in Germany, no, in London, and it's a Bulgarian. guy, right? And I'm like, oh, the Bulgarians, you hate the Turks, right? Because historically, we occupied them. They also hate us. He's like, no, not anymore. We vacation in Turkey. We like, Turkey now. I'm like, really, what happened? Yeah, our economy got better. And then we're like,

that was a long time ago. Turkey's beautiful. Turkey's beautiful. Let's go. It's going to take a line interest. It's going to take a generation at least. But nobody's killing anybody. Maybe two or three. But nobody's killing anyone. That's, that's right. It has to be peace and it has to be decades. And with that, there is this ability to reconcile the actions and move forward. I agree. But you need peace. We won't see it in our lifetime. No, no.

We can. We can. We got, I mean, look, when Jimmy Carter got that peace deal between Israel and Egypt, no one thought it was possible. They were making fun of them. It's not going to happen in our lifetime peace in the Middle East. This Jimmy Carter guy is crazy. Well, you know what he did?

You need people to break the cycle of violence and hatred, right? So what Jimmy Carter did there was they were both going to leave a different time. Saddam. was and Began was. He literally grounded their helicopters. He wouldn't let them leave. Wow. Okay. And he's like, nope, you're stuck in Camp David until you have a deal. Okay. So, and how did Martin Luther King break the cycle of violence and hatred, right? He did civil disobedience. And he, there was this, when I was, when I was, when I was, when I was he didn't necessarily break it. I get what you're saying, though.

No, but he went a long, long way. And he got the Civil Rights Act. Legislation rights act. Yeah. Okay. But didn't change the hearts of people is what him. But he changed a lot of hearts, not all hearts, but a lot of hearts, right? And so what did he do? Did he do it by attacking? No, did he do it through violence and further hatred? No. When I was younger, this is the one I love Martin Luther King, right?

But there's one line I never understood, and now I get it. He said, hate can't drive out hate, only love can. Okay. And now I get it because the more you hate the Israelis, the more the cycle of hatred continues. Martin never also owned a gun, because the gun can drive out motherfuckers too. Can we pull that shit out? But it won't because the other guy will come back with two guns. also true.

Yes. Right. Yeah. So the violence needs to stop. They need to stop on both sides. We agree on that. Yeah. I just don't know how you change the hearts of people, even if like, if you're a kid who's

growing up in Gaza right now. Exactly. How do you not hate Israel? Have you seen no videos when these kids are going to remember this forever? And furthermore, like, how could the people in Gaza trust that there weren't going to be any more further expansions or even in the West Bank? And how could the people in Israel trust that there aren't going to be any more attacks from Gaza?

even though we say right now as these people that are in America in safety and not having to deal with all of it going, yeah, if they just stop, everything will be fine. Their hearts and minds won't believe it because of what they've endured their entire life. I'm the government of Israel. If I'm the government of Israel right now, I'm probably like, yeah, we probably do need to take it all over and get everybody out because they're going to come back and hit us. But then they're going to come back forever and ever and ever and ever because you just took their land. That cycle and ever stopped. I don't think it stops now. I don't think it stops now. But guys, at some point, peace requires some degree of trust. I agree.

And that you can't do without some degree of trust. And what's the alternative? Like, nobody ever talks about the alternative. The alternative is Israel keeps occupying the Palestinians for another 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. And you know what happens? More Palestinians hate them. More Arabs hate them. You're right.

More Muslims hate them. So how is the whole world hating Israel helping to keep Jews safe in Israel? I agree with you. And this is the larger concern as like American, like obviously, is a whole world. American do. Like, my concern is with the American people here, Palestinians and Jews and what they're going through, right? So it's like, you want to make sure that they both feel safe. And this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this like deep connectivity to these experiences, like these people have either been there or they still have family there. Like, it's impossible to not feel that connection emotionally to what's

going on and to not trust what the other size says they will do in the event that there is peace. So as much as I want to say, yeah, this is all we need to do to, to have and figure it all out. I at least have to approach them with, you're not crazy to think it won't work. I understand all you can say. You're not, you're both not crazy to think it won't work. That's right. But the last thing I would ask them is, do you think that Israel is going to be safer in the next 20 years if you continue to occupy and have wars for those 20 years?

Or do you think there's a higher chance that Israel will be safer if you do a peace deal? Both sides involve risk. I'm acknowledging the risk, right? but what is more likely to get you to peace? Peace or war? I agree. I think that what they would probably say, because I've asked the exact same question,

is, and then what happens if that deal is broken? What do we do that? Oh, it's so easy. What do you do? So if Egypt had broken the deal and attacked Israel, then Israel gets to attack them back. America joins, Europe joins. No, we had a peace deal.

A peace deal is a peace deal. Whoever breaks the peace deal, there's going to be consequences. So now there's no gossip at all. if that happened. So by your argument, they would say, they would say, Israel would say by your argument, like that is what happened. But there was no, there was no deal. There was no deal. There was no peace. There was no sovereignty. There was no Palestinian state. And look, the absurd argument, oh, they wouldn't let Israel exist. First of what, Israel does exist. You know what doesn't exist?

Palestine. Right. Right. So you can't block them from existing and tell me, well, hypothetically, they might block me from existing, blah, blah, blah, a hundred years from now or whatever. besides which they don't have anything. We're just in a privileged position to be like over here in safety, not dealing with any of it, and then telling them what would be best for them and they're in their living it. Well, our safety is relative too.

Say that what is that? What is that? I mean, I don't want to jinx anybody, but the more this continues to be a hot spot. Oh, you're saying we could be brought into a theater war. You saw what happened to the couple in D.C.? Yeah. I mean, look, let's be honest.

I mean, why are you? I got set on fire with that. San Francisco, I think it was? So why does it- That's 9-11? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, guys, if you don't know, why does, I'm telling the audience,

why does anybody in the Middle East chant death to America? Because we support Israel, period. They got, we got no fight with them, right? Muslims didn't have a fight with us. Like, Muslims. Wait, me, it's not because they're jealous of our freedom? I mean, isn't that hilarious? Freedom, dude.

Yeah, I mean, they literally say absurd things like that. Cable news anchor was like, they hate us because they hate us. They hate us. No, I don't hate us because we support Israel. And Jews did better in Muslim countries than they did in European countries throughout most of history. Don't give the Turks any more credit. No, I'm going to take it.

I'm going to take it. I hate this revisionist history. No, no, this is real. Where everything was perfect under the Ottoman Empire. The Jews' real enemy is the European right wing. It's not the Muslims. This is true. This one is like, this is not Abraham Lincoln and Elvis Presley.

The Ottoman Empire, okay. He admitted it. The Ottoman Empire pulls up their entire Navy to Spain during the Spanish Inquisition. And the Spanish were like, what the fuck are the Ottomans invading? And they're like, no, we came for the Jews. Okay, give us the Jews. We'll take him back to the Ottoman Empire. They're like, really?

You want the fucking Jews? And the Ottomans are like, yeah. And they took like 400,000 Jews from Spain. Thank you for that. No problem. and save their lives. Look, why do they do it? Because they're an empire,

and they thought that it would be useful throughout. The empire, merchants, this, that, the other thing, right? But still, it was a wonderful act of generosity. And in the Turkish fleet, the lead ship still has at its mast a Koran and a Torah for the alliance between Jews and Turks. They also took in Jews during World War II. I think there is history of peaceful living together, but there is plenty of time.

throughout the Ottoman Empire where Jews were persecuted. Of course. So I think sometimes our revisionist history of this is like, oh, it was perfect. And then it's going to always be to revisit history. It was a better. It was better. Of course. It's going to be revisionist history.

It was an empire. Horrible things do happen. It's going to be revisionist history with this moment we're in now because you got to get the people to forget. Exactly. Because if you don't get them to forget, it's going to always be a constant cycle. Yes, yes. But go back to civil rights for a second, because I saw LA there in the picture and I was like,

look. Yeah, we've got to get the own problems. Yeah, yeah. So because you would have to be on the problem. To the point you made earlier, Charlemagne, if there was a real leader in that movement, right, they would be like, anytime anybody does violence, we do a circle around them and we walk them over to the police, okay? Why? Because in the civil rights movement, they didn't tolerate that shit. If anyone did any violence, they were out. They were out. Okay. Because if you do violence, we're not going to win. Yeah, you method of the move. Yeah, because the other side will out violence us every time, right? That's a stupid strategy. Not only is it an Moral strategy is a dumb strategy. We need to go back to the civil rights way of thinking about it. You're doing damage.

You know what else that worked? Nation of Islam. When JFK got assassinated, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad told the nation of Islam, nobody say anything about this. We're over here. We're building up our communities. We're building up our neighborhoods. We're building up our organization.

We don't need that. This man was beloved by the country. We don't need any smoke. Malcolm X. Went out there, said the chickens have come home to roost. What did Elijah Muhammad do? He bitched Malcolm X. So that's essentially what you do.

Yeah. Yeah. And the problem is that the folks on the ground, one is they're emotional. I get it. Like it feels like a war and the other side's hitting you with tear gas canisters. And you do a normal human reaction. Just fuck that. Let's burn things down.

Right. So that's one. The other is the activist don't help, man. They're the opposite of the civil rights movement. They're like, yeah, let's go get them. Let's call on a waymo and burn it. How did that help immigrants when you burn down these cars? Well, now they have to take Uber's, right?

Right, and that costs money. They drive them. I mean, I can understand burning down to way moles, guys. You're taking our job, all right? You're taking illegal immigrants stuff. I get it. I have no problem. Why do we need self-driving cars in L.A.?

When all these Mexicans are driving around? So this is what I would say to the folks at home. Like, if you're going to a protest of anything. When they make self-driving lawn equipment, it's script. They got that shit, son. No, man. I saw it. You know those like they'll clean your floors?

What do they call? It's like an automatic little circular vehicle that will clean all the dust off of your carpet and floors. They have that for lawns now. I saw one hooking up on a lawn and I saw like four Mexian dude just staring at that shit like What's up, that's up? Yeah, yeah. Fucking China taking our jobs, who are like... I wish we had that when I was growing up.

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Bill Clinton or whoever the change agents were in that space. Me and Jank both believe there's only one person. And I think you feel like this too shows. There's only one person that could come to the forefront and bring us together as a people. Who am I thinking? Dr. Umar Johnson, man. He's one, but I'm sorry to say. Dr. Umar.

The one true hope is Dr. of the Prince of Pan-Africanism, Dr. Umar Johnson. I think that he'd be a fantastic. You need a Dr. Umar, though. You should have Dr. Umar on Young Turks. No, I think I think I know he's talking about John Stewart. Come on, man. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you think that? Thank you. Uh, so, uh, first of all, uh, you have to be likable to win. John's super likable. That's why entertainers went all the time. Trump was not a business fan. He failed a business six different times. He was an entertainer. He was a reality host on Apprentice. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Zelensky's a comic, right? So John is

super likable. Number two, he knows the material and he's, and he's effective. He got a bill passed from outside Congress. That's hard. That's all right. And then look at the contrast between Trump and Stewart as an example. Now, he wouldn't be running against Trump, we hope, right? But, by the way, we got to stop saying that. Because if he's running against Trump in 2008, I don't care who Trump runs again, the fight is fixed. If he runs in 2028, he's going to win. We're done. It's over. The box is we know what it's done. Yeah. So, but it contrasts, to what Trumpism got done, right? Was one major bill that Trump got passed

this first term? It was a giant tax cut for the rich. What's the major bill he's going for now? Tax got for the rich. What did John get passed? Help for first responders. Oh, that's a beautiful contract. Right.

Okay, number two, he's super smart, right? You got smart, you got likable, and you need courage, and I think he's courageous, he's taking on the powerful. What did he do? He first showed back. He said Biden's too old.

Everybody, you know, went after him for that, but he stood his ground because he's courageous, right? COVID was made in the lab. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And look, we're tired of the politicians. The politicians are full of crap, right? And you know John's not full of crap. And he has a credibility to call out Democrats and Republicans, right?

Yeah, I think he has the trust. And he can get independent. And he knows what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah, yeah. Like, John actually knows political, he knows politics. He knows the political world. He knows the space. He's gotten legislation.

He knows what he's doing. All of the qualifications that would make him an amazing president are probably the reason why he won't want to do it. You almost want someone who doesn't want to do it. Why is there not? No, but you know the line from Gladiator. That's right. So Marcus Aurelius tells Maximus, you know, I want you to be Caesar.

And he says, no, no, me. No, I don't want it. And he says, that's why it's got to be. Yeah, I mean, it would be an amazing benevolent act Because obviously, you know, John is in this perfect place in his life. He's all his success. I'm sure he's, you know, financially secure. He's got his family.

And he would be giving up a lot of that and putting himself in an unbelievable shitstorm. Him and his family in an unbelievable shitstorm. Yeah, but no, but there's no such thing as shit storms anymore. Now, will your privacy and everything get invaded? Sure. But as far as, like, them pulling up shit from back in the day, nobody, Trump wiped that out the way. Yeah, you're right. It's different.

It's different. Nobody gets a fuck about anything that you had that you had, that you. He's trying to hide. Nobody cares. Yeah, the other day, so he does the show on Monday where he's kidding around about deport, deport, deport, and doing the jerk off motion and stuff. And he's kidding with us afterwards saying, like,

oh, man, imagine that in a commercial album. And my answer is, who gives a shit? Who gives the shit? In fact, they'll like you more. Yeah. Right? And, like, he... Have you spoken to him about running?

You spoke to him about running? John? For like a second. Yeah. Monday, we was at the Daily Show Monday. Oh, okay, good, yeah, yeah, yeah, go, good. Great night to be there, too, by the way. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I mean, the Jenkins was in town. He was like, you want to go by the daily show. I'm like, hey, let's go up. Let's pull up. And it was Stephen A. Smith that night. And it was, you know, John's covering what's going on in California. And he's covering the Elon Trump shit. Like, oh, it was beautiful.

What do you? Well, keep going on this. So, look. Because I want to talk Elon and Trump. But, yeah. So at least one more thing on John. Look, he has a significant chance of winning. And you'd kind of have to be crazy to think that he doesn't have a chance.

I think he wins Democrat without a doubt. I think he wins the country. Landslide. I think he wins. No, no, general election is easy. I think the primary is harder. You think the primary is harder? Oh, definitely.

Because of the DNC, the... Yeah, and establish for media. So in the beginning, they'll think, ha, ha, John Stewart, that's so funny. Let's cover him. Oh, he's going to run. He's a celebrity. It'll be fun, right?

And they'll cover him, but they'll think he won't win just like they thought Trump wouldn't win, right? And then he'll get ahead of steam. And once he gets ahead of steam, they'll be whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, it's got to be poodage. It's got to be bootage. But establishment media has always loved John.

Like, John has been the most... honest voice in politics. Until he runs. Until he runs. Yeah, because... Yeah, here's why. Here's why. But what do you throw at him?

Like, to your point, he had nothing bad? They'll find some. There's no flaws on John? They'll find... John's clinking. But it won't work. It won't work.

So will they go after him? Yes. Why? So they don't... It's not that the reporters and their anchors know this and it's a conspiracy and just like with Israel's no, wah.

There's none of that, right? But 17 billion in the last election cycle of money in politics. And most of that, went to mainstream media, right? So their number one client in cable news is politicians. Yeah. Okay, they make so much money from politicians

and for money in politics. And once they get a sense that John Stewart might actually try to end money in politics, mainstream media is going to panic, okay? They're going to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, why do they never talk about money in politics? When that's what decides literally 95% of the elections in Congress. That's what makes their business is profitable.

Exactly. In fact, one of our host, David Schuster, He worked at MSNBC, Fox News, etc. When he was at a local DC station, he had this great story about money and politics. His editor killed it, his general manager or whatever. And he brings him out. So this one was the one where it was literal, right?

It wasn't like, oh, it's kind of group think or whatever. And he shows him this big newsroom. He says, you see this? He's like, money and politics built that. That's why we're not running your story. Okay. So that's why mainstream media honestly can't be trusted. Their number one source of money is corruption.

Yeah. is the corruption in politics. So that's why they go after Bernie. That's why they go after anyone, Nina Turner. That's why they go after anyone who's an change agent. Because if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change. Are they even mainstream anymore? When you have the young Turks, when you have, you know, the Midas touches of the world,

when you have, you know, every conservative platform on social where people are going to get their news, are they even main? Is CNN, Fox, MSNBC mainstream anymore? So you're totally right. and they've lost power, right? And I don't even think they're mainstream anymore. And every day they lose more power and every day we gain more power, right?

So that's why, even though it's guaranteed that once they realize John can win, they'll attack him, you're also right that it won't work. Yeah, we got it back. It won. It won. I mean, look, even his head stories are hard. That's what they'll do.

I agree. I don't think it's nothing. We just had a president who never. I agree. I'm just telling you what they'll do. There's a playbook and they'll throw it at him. No, you're totally right. And when Bernie started running again in 2020, I said, by the end, they'll call him an anti-Semite.

Right. And they called him an anti-Semite, even though he's Jewish. It's crazy. They'll do anything. Well, we'll represent to suck my dick coalition of the party. And they come after John. But the more they come after him, the more they come after him. This guy's crazy.

We're keeping that in. He's got to suck my dick coalition. It's like, who you're voting for Buttigieg? Jesus Christ. Elon Trump, oh, you want to get it funny? No, no, just the thing is the more they come after him, the more popular he gets.

Because independence, populace, both on the left and the right, but like, oh, so he's the guy who's honest. Here's my concern about John, is that I don't think John, like many politicians and many entertainers, are a bottomless pit that needs approval and attention.

And when you're not that, you don't need to put yourself out in front of people constantly for their appreciation. And I wonder if he might go, I don't want to ruin my life right now, and this might ruin my life. But here's the moral argument I would make to him, which is, I think he has at minimum a 25% chance of winning. Okay. 25. Higher, right? I'm saying at a minimum, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you ask me my real opinion, 55. Yeah, right? So, okay, but even if it was only 25, Yeah. And I said to you, Andrew, I think you have a 25% chance of saving the country. That you could be president. You can get money out of politics. You could end the corruption.

You could serve the average guy. What would I say? Are you going to be selfish enough to turn down a 25% chance of saving the country? Okay, well, that's your answer. I hope John's answer is different. Okay. If you said I had 100% chance, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it. Wow. I don't want to be president. I don't want to be president. I don't want to be president. I don't want to be president. I just had a kid. I want to hang out with her. No, no, I know you don't want to be president. But what if, but he's the one guy that could upend the system, right?

So look, there's other people. There's Roe Kona, he's super smart, great guy, et cetera. But being an outsider. Not charismatic enough. And I like Roe. Yeah, but not charismatic. Yeah, I don't know if he's a politician as much as he is a dish. And that is a problem.

I think that is a problem for people. All right, man. Shout on Roe, though. Shout on Roe, you're doing great work. Mild, please. I don't know if I believe the Elon Trump shit, yo. I just don't. I feel like it's wrestling.

I feel like, I'm going to tell you why. Did you see Elon this morning? Elon said he takes it all back this morning. Yeah. I feel like it's all wrestling. I feel like Elon's going back into, you know, regular life again, being a CEO. He's got to get his stocks back up on his company. what's the best way to do that?

Let's have a little kerfuffle. And I know anybody keeps talking about he wouldn't go that far with the Epstein shit. Guys, the Epstein shit is a Nuffenberger. It means nothing. He's in the White House already. We saw him on the flight logs. You see pictures and videos of him.

They smile and pointing out girls. What would Donald Trump being on the Epstein list do? And by the way, if the Epstein list comes out, it's not just going to be Donald Trump on there. Now the Democratic Party got to reckon with Bill Clinton. And you got to reckon with a whole lot of other allies. that might be on the list. So what would Donald Trump being

being in the FD files do? I think you make a great point. What I talked it up to is just like Elon having a hissy fit because he didn't get his way. And I think what Elon thought was, I think Elon thought Trump is kind of dumb and he could do whatever he wanted with him.

And I think he learned that that's not the case. Like Trump is just kind of going to do what he wants to do. Now, you can convince him of things, but you can't tell him to do something. But Trump didn't even jump off the ledge with Elon. He never went crazy at all. I'm like, yo, yo, yo. And say whatever you want about him.

He knows if you're soft. Like, Trump, like, this is the thing. Like, Trump has dealt with, like, real people. And he knows all these politicians are pussy. And he knows, when you're knocking on doors, collect a rent, that's the point. When you're hanging out, when you're trying to get these buildings made, you're dealing with shit, he's paid off all these politicians.

He knows that they're soft as baby shit. And he looks at Elon. He looks at all these other tech guys. And he goes, they're a bunch of pussies. I'll roll over him if I want. And this is what I think happened. I think he got some opposition research that showed a lack of loyalty from Elon in some way. I don't know what that is.

I don't know how it manifested. But usually if you ride hard for Trump, like really hard, he will keep you around and he'll support you. And I think he heard something, saw something. I heard there was a little something with the guy that Elon wanted to head NASA. This guy, Jacob Isaacson or something like that. And apparently he was like a big damn donor. And then Trump was like, why are you, why do you want me to put this guy in charge of NASA when he was primering people that I'm supported? Like, what the fuck is this thing about?

Are you not loyal to me? Do you just have your agenda? You're not trying to support my agenda? And I think the second that he saw that, he's like, I can't trust that motherfucker. But Trump didn't act first. You don't think that's it. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. Listen, listen.

I'm just. Usually when Trump doesn't trust somebody, he shoots first. He didn't shoot first. No reason to shoot. So what do you think of this? I think it's a lot. simpler than all that. So Elon wanted the guy in charge of NASA because he wants deals for space. Yeah. Right. And he didn't get that. So he's thinking, I put in $300 million. I need my.

I'm where's my cut? And then the electric vehicle subsidies, Trump took that out, which by the way, Trump should be credit for that. Like, go on, go on. Right? Yeah. So he ends those subsidies. Then Elon now starts to stoop, right? And he's like, what the fuck? I give this guy $300 million.

He's supposed to do what I want. Yeah. And in fact, he writes in that tweet, such lack of gratitude. What in gratitude, right? Like, I give them $300 million. You're supposed to give me $300 billion back. That's how working a donor. You're supposed to be a politician.

I pay off politicians. They do what I tell them. Elon's going to get that money back, man. No, but he took out two things that were really important to you. They're talking about building a dome. What do you think's going to build the dome? They're going to get more SpaceX contracts. It's not about money.

It's about power. Well, if Elon will never be on top. Elon, and that's the thing he's grappling with. The closest that Elon will ever be to being in power. It's standing next to Trump's penis. Exactly. He's not born in America. He cannot be president.

That is the closest he'll ever, well, okay. That is the closest, at least in my opinion, that he'll ever be to like true power. There's a difference between money and power. Money is power. Money is power. Money is power. Exactly. And Trump showed him that.

I said just that morning on Breakfast Club. I said, if this is real, Donald Trump's pulling one of Elon Musk's contracts, one of his government contracts. Yeah. So that gets us the part two, right? So Elon's stewing, stewing. And, I mean, there's reports out that he does a decent amount of drugs, right? And so he's not good with impulse control.

We see it all the time. He just tweets shit and goes, God damn it. Like calling people pedophile for no reason, et cetera. Not even the first time he did that. Yeah. And he had to be sitting on that Epstein file line. for so long he wanted to use it so bad so when Trump agitates him he goes that's it and he says this bill sucks because he hates the bill Trump punches back and it devolves so why is Elon now

going back and making up and bowing down because Golden Dome and all the other things that are on the line so if forget the the subsidies if Donald Trump cancels Golden Dome that's the big boondoggle that's the one that's going to get him hundreds of billions back, right? So Elon realizes power is power. And he's like, oh, my bad, my bad. Yeah, yeah. You want to go, Elon? You want to go to Russia?

You want to go work for Putin? Like, where else are you going to get this access? You're not going to get in China because we already saw what they do with the tech dudes. This is the closest you have to actual power. And you know what? You ain't going to have it. Not with this guy. You might have it with another person.

Like, I know all the other tech dudes. They're probably looking at JD. They're like, hey, we've been funding this guy for over a decade. Maybe if JD's up next, he's going to. Please believe, Peter. Teal made an investment early on in JD and he hopes to be able to recoup on that investment. Please believe. JD's only the guy if Trump says so.

Of course, but it's up to JD to decide if he's going to do that or I don't want to honor that relationship, but that kind of quid pro quo situation or pull a Trump and do what he thinks he does. It'll never work for JD. Well, we'll see. But the point is, but the point is whether you like Trump or not, he is his own guy. And the only way you can get him to do something, in my personal opinion, is you have to show public support for that thing.

Yes, yes. He reacts to public sentiment. So you have to convince that this is something the public wants. And then Trump, like the entertainer that he is, starts to go, hmm, it seems like the majority of people, democracy, want this thing, or at least the majority of the people who support me, want this thing. I will take interest in this thing. And maybe we should execute that thing.

Trump has two giant downsides and two significant upsides, right? The downsides we all know, he's obsessed with money, money, money. He wants everything for himself. And he has authoritarian tendencies. If he could, he'd be king in a second. Wouldn't give a shit about democracy or anything like that, right? But the upsides are, number one, credit where credit is due, normally when a donor tells you to jump, you jump.

And he don't. Right. And so Elon told him to jump on the electric vehicle subsidies at NASA, and he didn't jump. I don't need you no more. Right. Right. And then number two, Miriam Aedelson and the Aedelson family

gave Trump $337 million. That's why Netanyahu thought he had him in his back pocket. And then he found out. And then he found out. So this is a great ironic advantage of Trump. He always fucks his creditors. You couldn't even give him a compliment. You couldn't even say he's his own man.

That's true, though. Because he thinks this way. He thinks this way. And he said it out loud, right? So he had six major bankruptcies. And they ask him, when you always go bankrupt, He's like, well, it's good business. I take their money and then I don't pay him back.

He's like, why would I pay him back? I already got their money, right? And he did that six different times. So he learned that's the right way. So with the Adelson's and APEC and Elon Musk, he's like, I already got your money. I'm already president. Right? I'm already in power.

I don't need you ever again. And this is what people like, I think Elon and maybe the Adelson's and other people are like, it's not as transactional as money with him. In Trump's mind, he's like, I have money. I don't need you to buy me with the money. Well, whatever, but we can debate that. But I think this is my... I think now it's the power.

Sure. But this is my suspicion, again, is I have conviction in terms of what I'm going to do, and I have public support for that, and I pay very close attention to the public. Because when they shift, I will at least indulge it and then potentially shift. Now, there are circumstances, in my personal opinion, that if you want to influence culture, he will move in that direction with you. But I think that there are certain ways where Trump's, you could call it narcissism. I think he's on his own hero's journey.

And in his mind, I think he's like, I'm going to win the Nobel Peace Prize by stopping World Wars. And there's a part of you that goes, whether he does that for narcissism or the good of humanity. I don't care at all. It doesn't matter. But I truly believe he's like, that's why I'm here right now, one of the reasons why I'm here. So I'm like, if his narcissism, as you call it, or his hero's journey lines up with

your interests, let him come. No, I'm famous for taking yes for an answer. And I tell the guys who disagree with me on the left all the time, like, if he doesn't attack Iran, you give him credit, take yes for an answer. He's literally stopping Beebe from doing it. Yeah, he's like, 100%. Yeah, he wants it badly. He's like down. Yeah.

So you're absolutely right. And that's Trump's second advantage, right? One is he's his own man for all those different reasons we talked about screws over creditors. The second is he loves being popular. That's why he's more obsessed with ratings than he is anything else, right? If Trump, if like the three of us got into the Oval Office and we replaced Stephen Miller and whoever else, and we just told him what to do to be popular, he'd do it, right? And as long as it actually reflected popular sentiment, we would have to convince him that.

No, no, as long as we're right. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And so that's a huge advantage for us because that means you could move people. And I'll show you an example where it happened, right? So, you know, I said, I went on all the podcasts, I went on the right-wing podcast, independent podcasts, and I came back and said, Maga's not a cult. Okay, they're now starting to disagree with each other all the time. And people said, you're crazy, no way, they're all a cult, they'll never disagree, etc.

So like, and I'm like, wait, you think Rogan's part of the Maga cult? I'm like, Rogan's not part of the Magick cult, he's an independent. Maybe he's leaning right, maybe he's going to support Trump, but he's not. So, okay, so then what happened? Totally independent. Yeah, so then Trump gets in office. He does that ridiculous thing where he said, we're going to take over Gaza. And make it a gazalaga or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. And we're going to, and one line that really set Maga off was, he said, we're going to take care of the unexploded bombs. Okay. So that means Israel doesn't, no IDF soldier has to get hurt. Americans are going to get hurt instead. And they said, okay. And Mago was like, fuck, no, we're not.

We're not dealing with unexploded bombs on behalf of Israel, right? And then Rogan says no. They arrest Mahmoud Halil. Rogan says no, okay. And what does he do? within 24 hours on the Gaza one, he turned around. So, no, no, no, no, I didn't mean American troops. We're not going in.

We're not going in. Don't worry, don't worry. Why? Because he likes being popular. There are, but there are MAGA of people who have, quote, like, tendencies. Of course. It's a rain. And I think the problem is we do these blanket statements.

Like, we say MAGA, whatever. I think that sometimes, to your point, Trump just goes with what's the most popular opinion out there from his base. Yeah. And just like we talked about all of his voters aren't racist, but some are, right? Same thing with MAGA. Are some of them called definitely? You say that Trump, you know, for some of them, man, Trump could fuck their mom and they'd be like, yes, what to score, mom, right? I mean, you already calling them dad.

Yeah, yeah. So you might as well let them fuck your mom. So does that portion of MAGA exist? Of course, right? But is that all of MAGA? No. Because you could tell them, because they rebel. They rebel.

And now, by the way, they're rebelling on Israel, big time, big time. They're like, enough spending money on Israel. A lot of the, I feel like a lot of the. supporters or a lot of the people that voted for him, it was more of a rejectionist vote of Biden. That we now- Well, they think they're established. Yeah, yeah, and like Biden and Kamla, which we thought was just like a, what is that? Biden was just the most-

What is it when you put somebody in there, a Trojan horse, if you will, for the administration. So I think it was this thing. Biden was just a trash-ass candidate. And yeah. He was too old. Sure, sure. Like, he just wasn't good. No, you're both right.

I'm positive. You're both right. So Biden couldn't talk. What it was the conversation about, right? Yeah. And Kamala, let's be honest, word salad city, right? It wasn't good. She wasn't good at all, right?

She's never been good. Okay, but Andrew's definitely right. You know what Trump is? You remember that Johnny Cash album where he gave a middle finger on the album cover, right, from Folsom Prison? Yep. Right? That's Trump to the establishment. He's giving them a giant middle finger.

So everyone who hates the establishment, which is like 60% of the country, is like, finally, somebody gave those motherfuckers into the middle finger. And the establishment needs to take some accountability for that. Why are you so hated? You can't just go, oh, because everybody's racist, sexist, and a bigot. It's like, oh, well, maybe there's some things that you were doing that made the people lose faith in you. You have to look in the mirror a little bit if you're the establishment. It's so obviously true because if it's Rogan backed Bernie. Why did he back Bernie?

Populist outsider. Anti-establishment. Yeah, populist outsider anti-establishment. Why does the mainstream press hate Bernie and Trump? Because they're populist outsider anti-establishment. And the mainstream media is this out. You know what's funny to me about Magin now? MAGA right now, I don't know if they have the same faith they did have in Trump,

but what they want is to not be wrong. So they want everything that he's doing to work. That's the cult scenario that I was describing earlier. By the way, as an American, you should want the stuff to work. Yes. But right now, it's not working, and it's obvious it's not working. And so now they're like, okay, what do we do? What's the plan?

You know, do we just got to wait. That's why they're telling you. They're just like, wait, just wait. I think that's why there was pushback about this big, beautiful. bill, which is like, you know, you said that we're going to cut, like, you really promoted those. We're going to cut the debt. And it's like, this bill, it seems, and I've looked into a little bit.

I don't know that much about it. But this idea that like, okay, well, maybe GDP will outpace the debt. And it's like, okay, that is a maybe, right? But it's like, if you're in a hole, you don't keep digging. You know what I mean? Like, if you're in the hole, digging is not going to get you out of it, you would hope. But if you're in the hold, do you keep pumping? Hell yeah.

Exactly. And you're both right. You know, I'm voting. So look, on the bill, $1.7 trillion tax cut for people making above $500,000. Okay. One point... Fucking disgusting.

Yeah, one point... You would do that shit. Like, who would want that? That is fucking repulsive. Who would fucking want that? Yo, this is... I mean, my God. God.

Yeah, this is just... What? What type of fucking... What type of... What type of... disgusting. Absolutely. Genius.

Bill is this? That's what it is. I can't believe it. Oh, a second. I don't even believe that's happening. Oh, a second. I wonder what tax bracket you all are in. Hey, but don't worry.

He's not going to tax your tips. No. You're not taxing your tips in overtime. Maybe that'll turn things around. If they're like tax cut for Charlemagne and Andrew Schultz, maybe they'll turn around. They're like, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's genius.

So 1.7 trillion in that tax guy. 1.2 trillion in cuts from Medicaid and Snap. Right? Yeah. So he's literally taking from the poorest and giving to the riches. Absolutely. Okay, literally, right? Yeah.

So that bill sucks. That bill is abomination. It's terrible. I do believe Elon when he said that. I believe him when he said that, which I thought was dope because I feel like even if you did vote for a person, even if you did support a person, you know, if you did all of that publicly, when you see some bullshit, you should call it out publicly. Yes, I totally agree.

Public trust. Exactly. If Elon's tweet was, hey, I understand that this administration that I supported does not exactly have an environmentalist agenda. They've removed themselves from the Paris Accords. They said drill baby drill. Obviously, his close connections with the American oil industry. It doesn't really make sense to also offer these EV subsidies.

It's inconsistent with the messaging this administration had all it had. And if he wants to take the EV stuff out, I totally am with it. But let's not bump up the deficit 2.6 trillion. million dollars. You sound too much like a Democrat. But if, you're fair enough. That shit sucks. Don't add money to the fucking deficit.

You're right. That's, that's stickier. But what I'm saying is if he framed it like that, I would go, oh, I trust that you're not out for your self-interest and you're trying to do the benevolent thing. He never said anything about the EV mandate. You know why I love that fight? You know why I love that fight? Because they accidentally told the truth a couple of times, right?

Does Trump told us about the EV mandate, right? And all I took out his subsidies. Then Elon said, how about the oil and gas subsidies? And I love that he said. that because you know that we give $30 billion a year to the oil and gas companies every year. You take it from the average guy who can't afford it and you give it to Exxon Mobil and Chevron, right? So Doge is full of shit. Why?

You tell me, you look for waste, fraud, and abuse and you couldn't find $30 billion that the average guy is given to the richest corporations in the world. That's waste fraud and abuse. Medicare is not allowed to negotiate drug prices. What the fuck is that? That's like the most anti-capitalist, anti-free market thing you have ever heard. And that creates hundreds of billions of dollars in waste. But didn't Trump say that he was going to support Bernie's idea about having like a fixed rate for pharmaceutical? So this is why Roe is so good, Roe Conner.

Okay. This is why I put him in the same league as John and Real. So Trump does an executive order that's great. He says, you know what? We're going to take the other countries, top developed countries. Whatever price they're paying, we're going to pay. I love it. I love it.

That's a great, great proposal. But he did that in his first term. and he knows the courts aren't going to allow. The courts not get down because it has to be a bill. He can't be an executive order. Okay? So he knows it's not going to happen. He's full of shit.

So he gets to present as if he supports this. The public backs him and then the courts are these big bad courts. Exactly. And in fact, Biden did the same thing with student debt. Okay. Biden was like, oh, I'm going to get rid of student debt. I'll do an executive order, wink. And he knew that it had already been knocked down by the courts

and it got knocked down by the courts again. So Rokana steps in. finds two Republican co-sponsors, goes, I will take Trump's executive order verbatim and make it a bill. Why don't we pass it together? And? Okay.

So now the Republicans are like in an awkward position where they're like, wait, it's Trump's executive order. I can't vote. No. I love it. Call it the Trump pharmaceutical bill. Put his fucking team on it. I dare you to vote against the Trump pharmaceutical bill.

Exactly. You know what we got to do? And this is, we do a thing called Operation Hope at T.YT. Right. Where we get our audience to be volunteers and we push forward. We're trying to reach out to all the congressmen. For Democrats, it's lower drug prices.

That's your top, that's a huge policy for you. There's no reason you should vote though. You better do it. No reason, right? For Republicans, Trump ordered it. What the fuck you're doing? You better not go get your boy. What's the difference between that bill and the bill

that Biden did that lower drug prices? That got the insulin in $35? So, no, he didn't do a bill. He did an executive order. And what he did? Biden? No, I thought they passed legislation. So, Oetland, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, he did put that in the legislation. So, no. No, the difference there is it was insulin in the beginning, and then by 2026, it got up to 10 drugs. But it wasn't. There's tens of thousands of drugs. Okay. What Biden was doing was, hey, look at me, get one to two drugs. The problem is solved so that you wouldn't worry about the other 9,998 drugs, right?

These guys all take money from the industry. The company, right? So, like, we were talking earlier about APAC has huge power pushes in favor of Israel, right? But the big farmer is bigger than APEC. Big farmer usually in any election, not this last election, but usually spends four times what APEC spends, right? Ooh. So they bought all the Congress.

They bought Bush. They bought, keep it real. Obama, Biden, and Trump. None of them have negotiated drug prices. And it's like I said, it's the exact opposite of the free market. So if we can get, so why is this bill not being voted out? Real quick, real quick. I have good messaging for this.

You know how there's like a lot of support in America to stop funding foreign wars? Currently, we are funding foreign illnesses. We are paying higher drug prices here so that people in Europe and other first world countries have lower drug prices. Yes. So we are funding foreign diabetes. We're funding foreign cancer. We're funding foreign illness. Why are the American people funding fighting these illnesses abroad?

We're subsidizing their health care. But we literally are there. No, 100%. Yeah, because our politicians are more corrupt. Wow, we pay high drug prices, high fucking health care prices. So if we're against supporting the war in Ukraine, right, because we don't want to send all this money over there, there are people over here hurting. Why are we feel so much more comfortable subsidizing every illness abroad as well?

I think that if you start framing things in that same way, I think Americans start going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I think that we should take care of our sick before they get to take care of their sick. This is why I get so frustrated Democratic leadership. Again, it's never the voters, right? It's not, don't blame the voters. It's the guys at the top, right? Because you couldn't make this argument, right?

You couldn't find a way to say, wait, we're not negotiating drug prices. In which free market are you not allowed to negotiate, right? But you answered your own question five minutes ago. Because they take money from Big Pharma. Exactly. Right. So the number one issue in the country by a landslide is money out of politics. Because as long as they get paid by Big Pharma,

big oil and A-PAC and all these things, they're going to be bought bitches for the rest of our lives, okay? That is why the Charlemagne and I are so gung-ho on guy like John is because he's outside the system, right? He's not already thought. Like, I voted against Karen Bass in L.A. You know what I did? She said, I'm going to manage the system better.

I was like, I don't want you to manage the system better. Okay, number one, I don't believe you. You never do. Okay. Number two, I hate the system. The system in L.A. and California, what is it? Oh, we took $24 billion from you guys to help homeless people. Okay, good.

We're good libs in California. I'm happy to give it. I voted yes every time. But homelessness increased. Homelessness went up. So I don't want, that system sucks. And somebody finally asked, we've been dying for somebody to ask, like, where the fuck's the money? Okay.

And both the mayor and the governor are like, I don't know. I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? We gave $24 billion. And you don't know where the money is. And at the national level, same thing. Pentagon can't pass an audit. They can't find.

$400 billion. Damn. No, then I'm not giving you the $400 billion. Until you find where it is, I'm not giving it anymore. That's why I did that tweet that started the whole thing with her. I said, hey, Elon put me in, coach. I said, I'll cut $400 billion from the Pentagon tomorrow. I remember that.

Right? And Elon was like, oh, that's interesting. What do you think? And Donald Trump Jr. was like, oh, good point, right? Everybody got mad at you. Everybody got to work with the evil empire. Exactly. Oh, you want to work with Elon?

You think it's going to work. No, I'm like, guys, look, either they do it, in which case, I'll take yes for an answer. give them credit or they don't do it and they expose how full of shit they are and what happened? They didn't do it at all instead they added $150 billion to the Pentagon because the unit party's still in charge the establishment's still in charge

why money in politics as long as there's money in politics they're always going to be bought what do you think they're doing there with that budget the Pentagon? Oh they're heading it straight to Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, North of Grumman etc. It's all the defense contractors That's why we have wars.

That's why we have that out of control budget. And so all those guys, they do two things. All those big defense contractors. One is they pump an unreal amount of money into Congress, right? And the second thing is they spread out their plants across the country so that if you go to Oh, okay. And they go, oh, my God, I got a plan in Missouri. I got a plant in California.

Smart. Oh, you're costing jobs. You're costing jobs. Smart, smart, smart. And that eight pack and defense contractors work together. because Israel gets the money, then buys American weapons from Lockheed, Martin, and Raytheon. Yeah. So then the defense contractors join APEC in supporting Israel and they become a much more, much stronger.

Same thing would happen in Ukraine, right? There was this idea that we were giving them $400 billion or whatever. It's like, no, we're giving American military companies that money and they were making weapons with it, and then we're sending it over there. And the specific thing that I proposed after Elon asked the question was, look, you know, in order to cut $400 billion, I'd have to look at it line by line. We all know that, right? But I can give you one rule that you should definitely do.

And I said, don't allow generals to work for defense contractors after they retire. This is an obvious conflict of interest. Right now, every general is like... Same thing with the pharmaceutical companies. Yeah. Like, almost every general is like, oh, I'm going to get a million dollar check or two million dollar check from Raytheon, et cetera, if I give them a $10 billion contract. Here you go, $10 billion, 20 billion, right?

You're just swaddling all of our money to the advanced contractors because they're going to get rich after they retire. I think it, and I think that happens with the pharmaceuticals too, right? 100%. That's a revolving door. So Don Jr. then said, oh, that's a great idea. We're already working on it. So, Don, where are you? So here's the thing that's...

Where you've been working on it this whole time? We were talking about this, I think even before the episode, but we have a fucking awesome system. And like, we can, we should criticize it all the time. We should try to, you know, endeavor to make it better. But there are these things that are built into the system that can be taken advantage of and are being taken advantage of. Absolutely.

We're the ones that are the victims of that, right? I mean, not the three of us here, but there's hardworking Americans that are going to be the victims of that. No. So what these people are doing, these companies are doing, is not illegal. There is a system in place that we have to change in order for them to be less effective in manipulating these votes. And that's the beauty of this moment that we're in. If we do it right, and by we, I mean the people, if the people do what we're supposed to do, the system will never be the same again, but will it be the, not.

be the same for the good or the bad. Right. Yeah. So look, I think that's, but that's, what is it? Was it Jefferson said? Like, the people deserve, you know, the people should get the country they deserve or democracy gives the people the country that they deserve. Deserve doesn't mean the better country.

It's the one that they choose. That's right. No, but we hope it's better. That's right. I know, I know. But guys, don't put it on the people because they don't even know, right? Like, so I would say the number one problem in America, like, in terms of, you why we don't address money in politics when it's obviously the cancer that's destroying

democracy, right, is mainstream media. Because mainstream media, like, when Young Turks look at a bill, right, like the budget bill or whatever, we go, okay, who's funding the politicians? Boom, here's a direct connection, right? Oil companies give this, this is what they get in the bill. Pharmaceutical gives this, this is what they get in the bill. New York Times can't figure that out? Right, they never talk about it.

They never. They have, oh, they're having debates. They're not having debates. You're right, but they're in it for ratings. They're in it for revenue. They're on TV. They're in New York Times. They're asking answers.

We're giving them the answers to those actual questions that people aren't asking. You said that they don't know. They do know because you're telling them. They do know because we're having conversations. No, but that happened over the last 10 years. That's all the things, though, right? Yeah, no, and that's why the population is activated. And by the way, that's why we're disillusioned by the establishment because we have the information to be disillusioned by.

And that's why, ironically, the mainstream media, New York Times, CNN created Trumpism because Trumpism is anti-establishment, right? And the establishment lied to them so often. I mean, I was talking to a reporter once and I said, you know, the politicians just serve their donors, right? They get millions of dollars and they serve their donors. And she said, well, that sounds pretty conspiratorial. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me get this right.

So somebody takes two million dollars from someone and doesn't do what they want? Yeah. That seems conservative. Right. That seems crazy. You can look it up as you've taken the money from big price. It's not complicated. That's not a conspiracy.

That's Trump. Uh-huh. You'll take your $2 million and he won't do what you want with him. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Fuck your creditors. Fuck your creditors. It's an interesting way of framing it.

But like it is something that I think a lot of his constituents, a lot of his supporters do like about him, this idea that it doesn't seem like he can be as easily bought as these other politicians. And I don't think it's unfair to give him credit for that. Now, you might not like what he chooses to do. Obviously, there's tons of room to criticize it. But to say that, like, he's under the thumb of this, he's under thumb of that. He's pissing off all these motherfuckers.

No, he's not under the thumb of anyone. But you see, the thing is, he wants personal corruption. So he'll take a $400 million jet from Qatar. Right, right, right. The son-in-law will get a $2 billion deal from the Saudis. Right. His other son will get a $2 billion deal from Qatar. But the reason, part of the reason why the establishment hates him so much is because they're like,

you're supposed to do corruption for us. For us. Exactly. For American ways. Not us private. And not only are you supposed to do it for us, you can't take the country down with you. You know what I'm saying?

Go get rich. This is what we do. But you've got to keep the standing of America at number one. Let's hope that that does happen. And look, I'll say one more thing about money in politics. The first president who actually takes it out, doesn't get the nation mobilized. We pass a constitutional amendment.

And if the president asked for it, we'll get mobilized. 93% of Americans already hate it, and they think that the politicians serve their donors and not their voters. So the whole country agrees, everybody agrees to this. The president that gets that done has statues of them all across the country. It becomes the greatest president of our lifetimes.

If he doesn't get, you know, God forbid. I got you. But that's why I say that's thoughts. If people like us were in the room, even with Trump, even with Trump, right? And we said, brother, they'll build statues of you in every single city in America if you get money out of politics.

You'd be like, um, this sounds good. No, he actually would tell you that he already had. He said, yeah, you ought to have my pocket. Have you seen the name on the top of the building? Listen, uh, jank, man, it's been a pleasure, brother. You know what I mean? Yeah, I love these conversations like this because, to your point, these conversations aren't happening on mainstream media,

which is why I watch mainstream media, but I watch it for entertainment purposes. I watch when I want real news, I watch the weekly show with John, to it. I watch the young Turks. I listen to things like that. That's why I get my information from. You know, and I still give it up to Bill Maher. I think Bill Maher's having great conversations on Friday nights because you have to talk to everybody. Because if you just label this person a conservative, this person a Democrat, you won't even hear the nuance of what either one of those sides are saying. And if you listen right now at this very moment, on what day is this recording this, on June 11, 2025, this moment right now, it's more people sounding exactly

elect than people want to admit right now at this moment there's more people standing exactly alike than people want to admit we just got to get rid of the tribalism the tribalism is what's preventing us from getting together right and i said this like a decade ago we used to put it on pins and stuff it's not democrats versus republicans it's all them versus us okay so if you realize hey they're telling you that bideness young and dynamic because they want you to obey right stop obeying. They're telling you that Trump doesn't care about himself. Come on, get real, man. Of course he cares about himself, right? Stop obeying and actually, and listen to one another. Listen to one another. Why did I know that Maga was going to rebel? Because I listened to them.

That's right. That's right. So Bill Maher and I have a bunch of disagreements and significant disagreements. To which I would say, so what, okay? I agree with them that you talk to other people. Yep. You talk to the right, the left, et cetera. How are we all going to get along? And listen. Talk and listen. Yes, listening is the most important part. Because if people listen to one another, you think, like, a lot of people on the left think, oh, MAGA loves corruption. You guys are crazy.

They don't love corruption. They just don't know that Trump's corrupt. Donald Trump loves corruption. By the way, Donald Trump loves corruption. By the way, Donald Trump doesn't know he's being corrupt either. Yeah. Donald Trump was getting to the bag. I think he's just getting to the bag.

I'm not even talking. When you hear him talk, when I really truly believe him, when he was on Meet the Press and they asked him, do you have to uphold the Constitution? I don't know. I got to talk to my lawyers. I really believe he did not know. That's the amazing part. Yeah.

And until somebody tells him otherwise, yeah. No, you're right. I mean, look, first of all, there's a lot of things he doesn't know, right? I mean, you remember the Declaration of Independence. Oh, that's the thing for unity. No, it's the opposite.

It was to rebel. He doesn't know anything. Like, do you, it shouldn't, as the President of the United States know the Constitution, et cetera. That's all true, but at the same time, he's all by getting the back, right? And you're right that he doesn't think that's corruption. He's like, what do you mean?

Like, there's a great quote from him from before he became president. They're like, you know, the Saudis are doing all this and you're taking a lot of money from them. They're buying all these properties of yours. He's like, they're giving me $30, $40 million in apartment. What do you want me to do? Say no.

He's like, my job is to get the back. Listen, Bill Clinton was on, he was on CBS Sunday morning. And I'm surprised it didn't become a bigger quote. I don't even know what the fuck Bill Clinton was talking about. I just remember he goes, when your president doing the right thing is the hardest thing to do. Most people don't have any idea. Most people who are criticizing the Democrats right now have no idea how difficult it is to decide the right thing to do. I think it's not as easy as people think.

Why? I don't know. But if we're watching Trump in a nutshell, is that not Trump in a nutshell? It seems like the right thing to do is the hardest thing for him to do. Bill Clinton said that. I don't know what the fuck that means. I know what it means. What it means?

Because the people at the top want the status quo. Okay, you don't want anyone rocking the boat if it's your boat. Okay. So everybody in Washington is powerful. So when the president says, let's say he said, let's get money out of politics, every big farmer oil, all those people are, no. Not happening today. Fucking way, no way.

Because they're going to lose their power. Their boat's going to get rocked. Got you. And if you're already at the top, you don't want that. it at all. So all of the pressure is to not change the system. So that's why Clinton goes, wow, it's so hard, right? That's why Obama didn't negotiate drug prices. He came in and he said, oh, and the drug lobby is so powerful that, and by the way, all the press wrote it, oh, drug companies are powerful, that's why Obama had to do that, et cetera. But what does it mean

that they're powerful? It means they give money to politicians and the, he couldn't, he couldn't get it passed in Congress because Congress is bought. Yes. Congress is bought, right? But now with, you know, obviously our platforms, we can get the message out there. That's right. Like, the most important thing for the pharmaceutical companies, the military industrial complex, like, what you need to start doing is buying ads on this podcast and buying ads of the Young Turks and making sure that your future in America is concrete, okay?

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