The Brilliant Idiots - Champagne and Troubles (Feat. Bonang Matheba And Flame Monroe)

Episode Date: November 28, 2019

Champagne and Troubles (Feat. Bonang Matheba And Flame Monroe) by Charlamange Tha God and Andrew Schulz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

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Starting point is 00:01:08 Bonong. Flame Monroe and Bonong, two of my favorite motherfuckers. Both of them are cancers. Flame is hilarious. Flame is like somebody that I've never met before in my life. Bonong is like, you know, the queen of Johannesburg. South Africa. She is a media personality, TV person, media personality. So TV, radio, she's done it all. She has her own champagne. She has a lingerie collection. Like Bonang is just a boss, period. And they will be joining us today. Right? Damn right. We can just get to it. Let's get to it. Now, listen, today on the breakfast club, well, last week on the breakfast club, we interviewed
Starting point is 00:01:55 somebody who I found very entertaining and all I kept thinking to myself was Andrew Schultz has to meet this person. Ladies and gentlemen, Flame Monroe is here! Remember we had Ida on and we told Ida we wanted to have Flame on. Yeah, Ida was bigger you up, man. Ida loves you. I was just telling you that earlier. Oh, I love Ida Roryan because that's my baby. That's my Latin fire.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Yeah. F-I-Y-A-H. You were saying something very interesting. If you've seen the Tiffany had a She Ready special on Netflix, then you've probably seen flame. But you was giving Ida a lot of props because you said... Out of all of us, Ida is the most visible out of the six of us right now.
Starting point is 00:02:33 She's really on social media. She's working everywhere. Ida always uplifts each and every one of us wherever she goes, you know? So me this time, but maybe Chanty the next time. Maybe April the next time. Maybe Tracy. Then maybe Marlowe.
Starting point is 00:02:45 But she always recognizes all of us. And that is black empowerment or that is female empowerment to me. Because, you know, she's not bitching us. the motherfucking us and tearing us down. She'd giving us a platform to say, hey, bring my girl on. This is my girl.
Starting point is 00:02:58 We connected. We bonded. And behind the scenes, we patted each other on the back. We prayed. We gave each other love. Go out there and kill it because I'm coming. It was like a bowling game. Go smash you.
Starting point is 00:03:07 If you don't knock them down, I'm coming back behind you and knock them down. It was everybody was great. You say woman's empowerment, but your booking email is he, she, we at gmail. That doesn't mean I can empower women. I'm a trans woman. I emulate a woman. say that. I emulate a woman. I learned how to be a girl or a woman from watching a girl or a woman. Let's never get that confused that I would disrespect real women like that because to me, that's us disrespecting our mothers or whoever raised us female because I know who I am. I didn't learn how to be no girl from watching your ass or watching this player.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I learned how to be a player from my husband. Former player. Flame. Flame, I am a former player. Black men do not cheat. Yeah, he's transition. I am a faithful. So in black. man. Why you want me to be a wholesale man? What's not? God. But I appreciate what she did. We're so busy caught up in the moment of what black women or what women didn't empower other women.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Let's talk about the positive ones that did. Yeah, you were saying something really interesting is that just because you see women on TV doesn't necessarily mean they're an empowering role. Like they could be bickering and fighting on these shows. And these young girls see that. This is how they grow up. They think this is okay. have the best shoes. I'm a married this man. I'm going to go to this boutique and mid-motherfucking
Starting point is 00:04:28 bitch and fight over stupid stuff. So this is who they grow up to become. This is who they grow up. All the shows that positive, all the Oprah Winfrey uplifting. I love you. Love yourself. Empower me shows. Can't no bitch do what I do show. You see that? All those will last for two seasons because it's two walls.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Not Oprah. Oprah was on forever. Oprah will always be on for it. That is Oprah. She's saying back in the day. Oh, okay, okay. That is Oprah. Let me make sure I give Oprah. That's Oprah. Do you think positivity Now you can bring her in
Starting point is 00:04:56 Bring one neck, you can have them all in Do you think positivity Is just a hard sell? I think that people don't realize That energy is transferable Because you surround yourself with negativity All the time It's gonna jump on you
Starting point is 00:05:10 Like the ghost It's gonna always just be at you Because you're gonna do When in Rome you do what Romans do So if I surround myself With a whole bunch of negativity Eventually all their energy You're gonna jump on me
Starting point is 00:05:20 I'm gonna be the most negative I'm usually pleasant and fun and bubbly. Yeah. Hold on. What time? You got to leave exactly. I got a little time. I can...
Starting point is 00:05:27 Okay, so listen. Tell her, tell her we're bringing her in 11-30. And then, yeah, because I want some time with flame. Yeah, yeah. We're so... I like the way you see in that, Alabama. I'm going to make that thing a cheat for I leave, I promise.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And he's going to cheat in a whole new way, baby. Okay, so we... Oh, we're so excited to have you on me because we've had all these comments. We've had all these comments. conversation. I feel like there's all these conversations about trans stuff and there's never anybody trans present that you can like ask and actually understand. Claim different, bro. So I know she didn't. She was explaining to me earlier.
Starting point is 00:06:06 But when you said, for example, that you're emulating a woman, aren't there certain trans people that would be upset by? Oh, my God. We were just talking about that. Do you understand that they coming out to me burning rainbow flags and marches in front of my house? Really? Because let me, let me break it down. I love you, my trans sisters.
Starting point is 00:06:22 I always have to throw that disclaimer in there. And brothers. Can I say what you told me earlier? She said, unfortunately is the white motherfucker. That's the word. Like when someone in the office goes, unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:06:37 we're moving in another direction. Corporate, motherfuckold. Your shit is being packed and security. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's real talk.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Black folks say, we say we love, oh, I love this motherfucker. We said, well, hey, this motherfucker owe me money. Yeah, yeah. Baby, white people, So smooth with it. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Mr. God, we love you here at the company. You have done such an amazing job, unfortunately. Baby! We're moving in other direction. The hell is in the coffin. Run. Run, forest, run. All right, not to cut you.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Continue what you were said. What did you ask me? It was about the, there at your door, their burning rainbow flags because, because as a transgender woman, and here's the misconception, and my sister's going to be mad at him,
Starting point is 00:07:20 we love to look beautiful. We love to be soft and gorgeous, blend in all of that. But when men are attracted to us, they're not attracted to us just because beauty helps. The softness helps. But they don't want you to be too soft because if you become too soft of hormones, you become
Starting point is 00:07:36 too soft of hormones. They're attracted to us for the male anatomy. But in their psyche, they feel like, I don't feel like I'm with a man because it don't look like this. It's a safe expression of gay in a lot of ways. Exactly. But you need to know who you are.
Starting point is 00:07:53 See, this is the problem with us. We don't know who I know who I am. I know what I like. I know how I like it. And I make no apologies for it. I don't care about what you think or what he thinks. As you shouldn't. And by the way, that's what life should be about.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Right. It's just very hard for people not to be. By the way, you're 50 years old, right? So we're grown. I'm 41. I'm very grown. It takes a while to get to that level of I don't give a fuck. Yeah, but I always knew who I was.
Starting point is 00:08:15 I knew who I was from a very young age. Now, I still had to go through the ups and downs of life with, you know, your mother saying this or you're somebody else making you feel a certain kind of way. But whenever I was, I try to conform a change with somebody else, I always went back to the basis because it never worked for me. I wasn't comfortable. Can I tell you what my spiritual
Starting point is 00:08:31 advisor told me last night during a spiritual counseling session? Because you just hit on the head. I'm feeling very Erica B'I do right now. She said, oh man, she said, uh, this is a new addition to his life, by the way, that's spiritual a violent. She says, when,
Starting point is 00:08:46 um, ever, hold on, God damn it. Why the fuck can I find it? She basically said whenever you're being your true authentic self, you've been hurt. Meaning like, you know, and she bought it back to my inner child when I was a kid. When I was a kid
Starting point is 00:09:02 and I was age years old and my cousin's ex-wife used to be, you know, letting me suck of tities and giving me head. I used to like it. Right? And then when she got the jerry curl, I made her stop because I didn't like the smell of her jerry curl. And so then that woman
Starting point is 00:09:18 started insulting me all the time. You understand what I'm saying? She felt rejected. Yeah. So she started insulting me. me being my true author to Excel saying, no, I don't want this anymore. I don't want this anymore. Caused me pain. You know what I mean? So that makes us all try to be what people want us to be to avoid the pain.
Starting point is 00:09:36 This is like baked into our DNA. Biologically, I was looking at this. Like back in the day when we were living in like little tribes, if you disagreed with the group, they just killed you. They couldn't have one person disagree with the group. Or in Salem. Or you put you in the way to town. Of course. Right?
Starting point is 00:09:51 So is anybody disagree if we had to go? So it's in our DNA to kind of conunded. They do those weird conformity experiments where they put like eight people in an elevator and then seven will all just turn around for no reason. Here's the beauty of being, of knowing who you are. Right. You're independent thinker. 100%. But it's scary to get there for most people.
Starting point is 00:10:08 I think that's why we look up to those that are independent thinkers, even if we disagree with them, because we understand the fucking balls it takes. You know, or, you know, not. Literally. Are you transitioned full? No, hell not. So you kept it. I'm a blessed woman. I ain't changing.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Shit, but mine. I got three kids. You got three kids? Biological. Now, flame like pussy. Oh. We just talked about that.
Starting point is 00:10:34 I know we were talking about this. And you said that you like female to male. Uh-huh. So that means. F-to-Ms. You like F-to-M. So they start off as a woman and they transition to a man. But they usually keep the vagina.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Yeah. Okay. So this is an amazing photo. She likes girls that look like you. Thank you, bro. Right. So if you had to do that. And it has to be furry.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I'm not one of these new age news. I do have trans facial hair. Not that fair. Oh, you like it down here. You like pubes. Don't you know that's the black girl magic, baby? That's how black girls catch me. Really?
Starting point is 00:11:09 What? The wire. What? That's the wire, baby. The wire got traps. Don't you listen? The dolomite say way down in the jungle deep. That's the thing that's what I was talking about.
Starting point is 00:11:22 When you open your legs, I don't know. needed to look like Pam Greer's Afro in the 70s right there. I'm going to find the magic treats. Why you don't like the ball? I have had the balls. And I still see very handsome me. I'm attracted to you like, oh my God, he's gorgeous. But I just am not attracted to being penetrated. That just don't do nothing for me. Okay, so listen, when you say,
Starting point is 00:11:41 so you call these women. So they're trans, what would that be? That would be trans men. They're trans men. Okay, so you like trans men. Yeah, they're still daddy. They still my baby. They say, boy, they demand 23 hours a day. They open the doors. they do everything man do for the one hour dance, they don't. Interesting. And then so you dominate in that situation?
Starting point is 00:12:02 In every situation in the bedroom. I'm that girl. So the bedroom is completely flipped, but life you want to be dominated. You want to be taken care of. No, I don't want to be taking care of, I'm a hustler. I'm always going to work.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Right. But I want somebody to make... Emotionally, I meant. Yes, and appreciate it. And women are so attached and so loyal. And my grandmother used to always say, this is what separates trans women from real women.
Starting point is 00:12:23 cis women. That's a new word. Cis women. My grandmother, she always said my aunties. A woman's strength and weakness is the exact same thing. Her loyalty. Because a woman will stay when she knows she should have been gone. For the sake of her children, for her statute, for whatever. A man, because I still got a man's hard mentality. And a man, I'm going, baby, I'm tired. This is getting them a goddamn nerd. I'm going to get a little for bread.
Starting point is 00:12:44 20 years later, I ain't came back. That was a great excuse back in a day. But this is why I'm saying, women are loyal to a fault. Right. We don't have that because we still think. And most queens I know are hustlers. The queens in relationships are most of the time the men in a relationship because they make the money.
Starting point is 00:12:59 They make the bread. They got to hustle and the drive. The man is just the showpiece. Interesting. Now here's a question I've always had, and maybe you have some perspective on us. You know, trans people speak about feeling like they're in the wrong body
Starting point is 00:13:14 or feeling like the opposite gender. I don't know what it feels to be a man, right? I just know what it feels to be me. I'm just walking around as me. And I guess when I was a kid, I felt like a kid, an adult. I feel like an adult. I don't know if I understand your explanation that you're confusing this shit out of me. But I know what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Let's go back. That's how I feel. Well, I wouldn't know what it feels like to be a woman anyway because I've never been a woman. That's why you said emulate. Exactly. So then what is the, so my question is. I couldn't even answer that because I've never felt like I was in the wrong body. Ah, but you've heard that term before, right?
Starting point is 00:13:50 But I'm very comfortable with me. So the changes I made, I added on. You wanted to do it. Okay. So then the question is, like, how did you know that this was the most comfortable for you? Before you ever, you know, had makeup or a wig or wore a dress? I'm seeing somebody on TV. And it was simple as that.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Beverly LaSalle from all the family. And when I saw her, I knew I was going to be okay because that is who I was, but I was only six. At that young age. I wouldn't dress now. See, now, let's go to that to the young age thing. I don't agree with the whole Johnny DeVille. Johnny identifies as a girl and Johnny's seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I'm letting Johnny with that. Who's in charge in your house? Because I beat Johnny's ass and said, look, he'll a player. You can identify as a girl at home. You're not going out in the streets and to school like that because I know how cruel the world is. That is considered problematic. I'll take it. But when Johnny, when you hit puberty and you decide that's how you're feeling and you still get that,
Starting point is 00:14:45 then we don't have that talking. If I feel that you're ready to do that, because I'll do that. Because here's what happens because life is phase. And your mind changes from years to years to years. Right, right. So you let little Johnny identify as a girl. Some of these parents are giving these little boys testosterone blockers at 9 and 10 years old. You shrink his penis.
Starting point is 00:15:01 You mess up his sperm count. He starts growing breasts. But then Johnny turns 17 and meets some little girl that he likes. Get him some vagina for the first time. And she don't want him for the dick. And she don't want him. You got tini's. I can't have your baby because you shrunk your penis.
Starting point is 00:15:14 It's small. So you didn't miss Johnny's mind up completely as the parent. Yes. Because you ain't let Johnny just be. I mean, just you, somebody needs to be in charge. Yes. So Johnny comes back at 19, say he hates you, he hates his life, kills itself or kills a parent.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Why can't we have this conversation without being considered transphobic? And that's why I love people like you because you're from that community. They'll listen to you. To us, they just always be transphobic. No, they get so upset at her. I'm going to get emails like you wouldn't believe in boxes. But what's interesting is that like I feel like we're having a conversation and we're asking questions because we truly don't understand it.
Starting point is 00:15:48 And when you don't understand things And ignorance is bliss So if you want to know Ask Exactly What I want to do What I want to do with people In my in my touring
Starting point is 00:15:58 And meeting people Because I'll tell you I want to be a spokesperson But I want to be able to talk to you And you might have thought This about a trans person Yes But after talking to me
Starting point is 00:16:05 You have let the shield down And be like You know a flame It's cool as hell Yeah Maybe I can meet another one like that Talking to you You might have been a little abstract
Starting point is 00:16:12 A little apprehensive The FACC said the same thing To me Why? Like I told you, Ella, because she's talking shit and laughing. Yeah. That's all we want to do. Give a man, nigga, pour him a drink, smoke some weed, let's talk to shit and laugh and get them to something.
Starting point is 00:16:26 I don't smoke weed. Bullshit. I don't. I'm an edible girl. I don't smoke weed. Do you the same thing? Yeah. That's the same.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Now, I love what you, when you say he's she and we. I love how you break that down. Because the man and me been pimping a woman in me for 25 years. Because Mark and Parker don't make no money. But flame and roll make it all. So he cashed the check. She get the money and we spend it. That's one person.
Starting point is 00:16:50 That's my pronoun. Come on. That's my pronoun. I don't know what it happens if I love it. Don't you think it's wild that they want us to learn all these new pronouns? You even said sis just now and you, like that's some new shit. How do you think we feel? I just always have grown up with real women, a real woman.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Or what's our slang for fish? See, that's fish over there. Wait, wait, what is that? That's what we call. That's what the gay community calls real women. Now, what if she got an odor? Well, that's, I think that's where the, I actually think that is where the, the terminology fish derived from,
Starting point is 00:17:20 but that was before my time even, so that's been going around for years and years and years. But I don't know. I don't ask where that came from. I don't even ask where the boys wearing their pants up under their ass came from. They say it's prison.
Starting point is 00:17:30 I don't know. Taylor reject that. That's a slur. I would never call you a fish, Taylor. I'm respectful to women. So Flamin was talking to me about there's a show called Rupal's Drag Race, which is like one of the biggest
Starting point is 00:17:44 shows out. It's a massively popular show. It's been off like 27 seasons. It's so many seasons. and massively popular within the LGBTQ community. And it's first of its kind in a lot of ways where it's like a show that's made for gay people. It's not trying to explain gay people to straight people, but it's actually made to entertain gay people, right? Which is great.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Which is great. But Flame had some interesting points about that I never knew. For example, he's very picky, or is it he? Yeah, Repa Identity is a man. Okay, so, yeah. He does not allow transgender performers to audition for the show. You can't have boobs and augmentation or anything like that. Because you're not allowed to.
Starting point is 00:18:20 But you can do it after you tape, but you can't do it prior to. That's not fair, is it? Well, this is where we keep screaming for inclusion outside of our community, but we don't have inclusion within our community. And nobody will see us until we see us. And we don't see us. You know what? I'm going to tell you something that's so interesting about that
Starting point is 00:18:38 because I thought about that when you said it earlier. I never ever thought about the transgender, trans woman, or just a trans struggle until, tell Caitlin Jenna. I never thought about it. That was never a struggle. But no, I'm just saying this. That's when that whole conversation started for,
Starting point is 00:18:54 I guess, people that weren't in that community. You know what I'm saying? Because it was that. It wasn't in your face. It wasn't in my face. And then it was about the laws in North Carolina. Like, I was like, I remember even saying, well, what were they doing before?
Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah. What were they using the bathroom at before? This law or whatever. I am so not caught up on the pronouns in the bathrooms. When I got to pee, I'm going to pee. That's male or female bathroom. I go in the bathroom, take care of my business, watch my hands and come to hell up out of
Starting point is 00:19:16 I'm not holding court. And my joke is some days I use the male's bathroom. Some days I use the female because some days I wear pants. Some days I wear skirt. Same process is going to happen. I'm going to put my skirt up, put my pants down, put my dick out, I'm pissing in the toilet. Ladies, you know about being in your bathroom
Starting point is 00:19:30 because the player meets your little seat up there. That's not fair, yo. That's the equivalent of white privilege in a lot of ways. Because what about them long, them long fucking lines at the games? And you're like, you know, fuck that. This men's bathroom too long. I'm going to women's.
Starting point is 00:19:44 That ain't fair. But life ain't fair If it was You had a hat off And would have had a hat tag Because the queen was coming You said you'll die But the queen was coming
Starting point is 00:19:54 And you're disrespectful Because you didn't get your hand cut I want to see you at your hands Some self Now, come on with it What else you got I wanted you to see me in my realness Have you ever
Starting point is 00:20:04 You don't want to see my realness Yeah Okay so have you ever tried a A transitioned vagina Femin? Oh hell no Never once
Starting point is 00:20:21 I'm not attracted somebody like me. Accidentally. They got you. I know what a pussy is. I'm a connoisseur of the vagina. Interesting. It ain't going to smell the same. Definitely enough.
Starting point is 00:20:29 I don't have one. So before y'all start blasting me out. Okay. That wouldn't even interesting me. Okay, because there was a question that we asked last, I think it was last week or maybe a couple weeks. And that was, if you get a transition vagina, does it come with a hymen? What? No, I'm sure not.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I'm not sure. Let me still. Don't say that because you know they'd be up and on. I don't know. And I don't know. And I don't want to know. Right. I'm attracted to the one that does what I needed to do when it's time.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Right. I needed to juice and I needed to smell. But because of the fair moment, in a way that attracts the man, every man has a woman that has a certain smell. There's always that one that will reel you in with smell. You know she wants you. My daddy used to say, if it smell like cologne, leave it alone. If it smell like fish, you'd all you wish.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Really? The daddy was old school like me. I like it. Have you ever had to fight a guy? You see them hands? I know, but I'm just saying like, I'm talking about in this. Like, you in full Flaming Row. What happened?
Starting point is 00:21:29 You should check my record. I got some stories back in that. Really? I'm not into the whole. I know gay bashing does happen. But I don't kind of worry about that because I'm prepared. I'm going to say that. That's politically correct.
Starting point is 00:21:41 I'm prepared. No, you look like you'll fuck somebody up, Flan. No, I'm so nice and feminine. You see the arms, no muscles. Because that shit got to be wild to be a guy, start some shit with you and then you beat them the fuck up in the wig and the dress. I have learned with this how to control
Starting point is 00:21:56 the narrative pretty much now. But sometimes you just can't. And sometimes you are in situations where you are just in danger and fear for your life. But then I'm asking myself, would I rather be judged by 12 or carry by 6? I'd rather be judged by 12. You're not going to be around to tell us.
Starting point is 00:22:11 You're a nigga, yo. You don't know what I can say 12. You know how many killers I'd have heard say that? That's an old school I don't know what you're talking about That's an old school Gangston saying I'd be carried by
Starting point is 00:22:27 Judge by talking Carried by sin And because I'm so comfortable with me Charlemagne That word you just say in flame You're just in the game I was in the comedy game For so many years
Starting point is 00:22:38 19 years The first eight nine years The other male comedies When you speak to me I couldn't get no love I couldn't get a fist bump Because my security Bothered their insecurity
Starting point is 00:22:47 I've been in the game In 19, 20 years, there is now one male comedian that could say flame pushed up. And this one, I was young and a monster. The body was banging. It was at six. Wasteland was snatched. Beautiful young skin lived as a woman. No male comedian.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Now, I got a fucking list that I could drop and take some heads off. What do you mean? People try to hollered you? Yeah. Holla, baby. I got some stories. But what would it do for me to out them? You understand what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:23:13 Yeah. Understand that you understand the consequences of when the trans girls out these men, especially when they're professional athletes when they have lives, livelihood. For every black professional male athlete that you see that made it to a team is 50 that didn't. So you're going to catch feelings for a trick
Starting point is 00:23:30 because that's all he is, it's a trick. You're going to catch feelings for a trick knowing he already got a wife, he got kids, he has a family, he can't be with you for Thanksgiving. You knew that when you started dealing with this nigga. My issue with the Queens is they always say, well, he had a choice.
Starting point is 00:23:43 So did you. The Queens had a choice. If you want to deal with a man that's going to hold your hand and take you to the family barbecue and kiss you in the mouth, good luck. And when you're out, then you're just fucking up your sex life.
Starting point is 00:23:53 It ain't even just that. They used to be the ass. They're taking a sobada here now. Oh, man. This is what I'm saying. So you have to know that there is a choice in what you do. There are consequences or repercussions to the shit that you do. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:24:06 I'm old school queen. Old school queens know to shut the fuck up. In my Easterer voice, shut the fuck up. That's why, you know, when you was asking me about the Malig Yoba interview with the trans women, the reason I didn't push back on that because I don't feel like it's my job
Starting point is 00:24:19 to understand what it is that they're experiencing It's just my job to understand They have the right to be who they are And not be killed for it But I was on you because Charlemagne You go hard player You do go hard And I respect it
Starting point is 00:24:33 I actually like when you pull it up by the people But I get Nigger who you ain't here too But when Malincanan was on here I was mad at you because I'm like I understand that she was confused Because I was at home confused But I'm like
Starting point is 00:24:45 You're giving this nigga a past. Ass is, nigga, do you hear what you're saying to me? You're saying you like a beautiful
Starting point is 00:24:50 woman with a penis. You're a man. You're a straight man. You don't know no women with no fucking penises? That's the real of the whole situation
Starting point is 00:24:58 right there. Yeah, you're right. You don't know no women with no penis. No, you're absolutely right. That's some bullshit. That's what I was saying. If I could have called in,
Starting point is 00:25:05 I would have called. Now here, let me break the whole Malik down. Malik called me before he did this. No. I know Malik personally. I do.
Starting point is 00:25:12 We were cool. We were cool. And y'all said Malik don't do it He said Flamey I'm so shocked I said Malik don't do it Do you know who the first community You gonna turn it on you is He said who
Starting point is 00:25:21 The straight community I say no The trans girls Guess what they did Turned on him He did Turned on his ass Why
Starting point is 00:25:27 That is what we do by nature Don't ask me why I got many stories I'm not gonna tell This right here Yeah This is a gold man And this is a gold man of jewels
Starting point is 00:25:39 But this knows how to keep The mouth closed Even if you made me angry and we had did something, you were a little celebrity. What is it going to do for my career to put you on blast? Even the woman who, I guess a cute. What did he say? A lot of people saying it was confusing.
Starting point is 00:25:55 No, they were saying the young girls came out and said that he was dating them when they were young. Yes, and she called the radio station. She called that day, and she was like highly, why would y'all put him on the air? First community I told him that was going to turn on him was the trans community. And they did. And then who else? Which is why I am who I am. Because you think I care about them?
Starting point is 00:26:14 You know how much shit I get, but them holes no toe to toe. We're going to have to go. And you said y'all were cool. Why y'all not cool no more? Because I was not with his platform. I never agree with what he was. I said. I said, you are confusing the youth.
Starting point is 00:26:26 You're not confused with me because, I know what you do. But you're confusing the youth because you're telling me and you disrespecting women because you keep saying you're attracted to a beautiful woman with a penis. Ain't no fucking woman got no penis. And you know the difference between a vagina and a penis. You got a couple of baby mammas and a couple of kids. Yeah. So who you can feel?
Starting point is 00:26:44 Who are you trying to say that to? Back to what I said. They feel like that when they're with all this femininity, they steal not with a man. Right. It's, it's, so you think that... We just need this kind of realness, bro. But no, this is interesting.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Well, maybe I can move to New York. Come on with it. I can do this every day. So, so you think that Malik actually might be struggling with his homosexuality. Struggling? He's gay. But see, that's when they confuse you, right? Because your whole life, right?
Starting point is 00:27:07 You're taught that two men sleeping with each other is gay. Same sexualation? Thanks say you could suck two dicks. Thanks say you could suck two dicks. I was fucked up that I thought about the same thing. When I said that, I thought about the same thing. When you're mad. You're gonna cancel.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I'm gonna cancel you now. What day? June 29th. I'm July 14th. Yep. But it's crazy that we grew up their whole life thinking that. Cancers can't go together. It's way too much shit in the room with baby.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Uh-uh. Really? I'm about to bring another cancer in here in a minute. My girl Bonon. She's from South Africa. Oh, because cancer can't go together. Interesting. Go on.
Starting point is 00:27:41 I didn't want to interrupt. No, no, I'm just saying our whole life we were taught same-sex relations. Yeah. It's gay. Yeah. So now when you got people saying, no, it's not. Or you got Malia Yo was saying he sleeps with women with penises. It is very, it's not even confusing the kids.
Starting point is 00:27:53 It's confusing to everybody. Here is my sexuality. I like what I like. Right. That's it. Right. So if I want to do some penis, I'm allowed to do that because that's what I wanted to do. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Because I don't owe you no excuse. And nobody knows what's going on in my bedroom unless I tell them. Right. Or your partner to tell them. Chit. their mouth. Interesting. I don't care what the presentation looks like.
Starting point is 00:28:15 You'll never know what's going on in private unless somebody tells it. Do you think that we'll get to a point where... No, no, no, no. This is interesting. You think we get to a point where we stop assuming that our sex life is synonymous with our living life.
Starting point is 00:28:28 In other words, you know, you could walk around in a dress, in heels and all that kind of stuff. But when it comes to home, you might just want a traditional woman. Oh, so now you're describing my life. No, because you like, male to female.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Yes, I do. Or very butch lesbian, you said? So what I'm saying is, like, do you think we'll get to a point where we go back? We almost revert back to, hey, what happens between the sheets, that's your business,
Starting point is 00:28:51 and then outside the world, do whatever the fuck you want to do. Not with social media. It's just too out there. It's not with social media. It's just ruined so much stuff. As good as it is, as great as it is,
Starting point is 00:29:01 it's detrimental. People don't talk to each other anymore. People don't talk to each other and they don't give anything time to cook. Meaning like something can go out, everybody rushes to a conclusion, that becomes the narrative, and that's it. And then when things come back around and you realize like, oh, I was wrong about that, nobody wants to admit they wrong.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Nobody keeps that same energy when it comes to being fucking wrong. If people could admit they were wrong on social media, social media would be fine. Speaking of being wrong. Vanessa Bell Calloway, I didn't want that to seem like I was doing a dig at you on that show the other day because, girl, I love you. We started off Ruff, but we're great. You're a fantastic mother, and you did a great job in Harriet. Let me say that, because it looked like I was throwing. Vanessa under the bus the other day, but I love Vanessa.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Give us some contact with the hell you're talking about. What's going on? I taped the Tammy Mac show, the Timmy Mac Fox show, and she was asking me about Vanessa Bell Calloway, and we started off Rocky, but we ended up being really cool, and I didn't clean that part up, so I don't want to say, like, we, no, because as a mother, she's been, her daughters, phenomenal people. Right. She raised wonderful people.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Yeah. And she was brilliant and hairy. She's a great actor, so yeah. We want to clean that up, girl. All right, let's take a break from Flame real quick, and then we'll bring Benong in. But if there is something interfering with your happiness are preventing you from achieving your goals, better help online counseling can help, all right?
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Starting point is 00:31:13 This is Flame is a comedian. You can watch her on Netflix. She has a- Wonderful. She has a show called, she's on Tiffany Haddish's show. Yes. They ready. Lovely. And this is Bonang.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Motiba. Where you from? South Africa. Hey. Yeah, from Joe Burke. Ooh. Yeah. I'm a TV girl.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Bonang does media in Joe Berg. Yeah. Started in the radio personality. Okay. personality. Now she got shows and books and lingerie and a great wine that I make. I said you some of my wine. Oh, come on, baby. You look like you enjoy some wine? No, no, I don't drink. You don't drink. But I'll stupid you, but I really don't drink. But up until I was 45, I never had a desire to go to Africa.
Starting point is 00:31:56 But now I do. You have to come. It's gorgeous. You're going to have so much fun. I never had that. And it's cheap. Well, not even that. I just, you know, in my spirit, I never felt like I, you know, I wanted to go. But when I hit like 45, I'm like, I need to go to America. You have to want to go. Bonong, how would she be received in South Africa? I'm not going to show up like this, first of all. Well, you don't need it. It's very warm in South Africa, so you're going to need it to chill.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I'm not going to even be dressed up. I wouldn't even be in Drake. I would just be my, yeah, I wouldn't be dressed up. I mean, South Africans love guests, you know. I think we are a very, we love, you know, visitors. We love Americans, you know. Yeah, I think we enjoy Cape Town. I'm not even in Drake.
Starting point is 00:32:33 So if I wouldn't work and I would be walking around looking like a hobo. Oh, well, we love hobos too. Really? I'm trying to believe. Yeah, South Africa's very, I mean, South African people, like I said yesterday, they're just, you know, just very humble and chilled about most things. My manager's sister, brother-in-law are South African.
Starting point is 00:32:49 I tell me, you're the only African-American, I know. Plain, put your lips on the mic. I know you haven't done it in a while, but come on. Bring the mic to me. Let me do my Gio Scott. Shit! Bonang, that's Andrew Schult. That's my partner, I'm a brilliant idiot.
Starting point is 00:33:04 That cap is going to be. very lucrative in a couple of years. Why? Because Barney's is closing down, no. Really? Yeah, that's why I like the hat. Yeah. You're going to sell it for a lot of money in a couple of years.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Well, if you're a fashion person. Really? Bonnies is closing down. I like, but people would give a fuck about the hat in a couple years? Of course. It's like a birkin. You know, you missed that whole thing. That's a businessman working.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Do you hear that? I'm listening to her. I'm listening to her. All about hats. You know, I mean. That's why she can wear chinchilla. And I got on the thrift shop. Coal girl, what am I doing wrong?
Starting point is 00:33:37 You still look cute. You still look very cute. Thank you. I mean, you know, that's why supreme items are so expensive because supply and demand. Yeah. Demand is low. Or the demand is going to be high because the supply is low. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:33:49 No more there's. Yeah. Barney's closing down. It's like quite a thing for fashion people because it's so iconic. Yeah. So you're from Johannesburg. Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Remember when I was shouting out, I was pronouncing her name wrong. I was saying bonang, but it's bonan. Remember I was saluting her and saying how I follow her on Instagram and she's just living, like life. You can just tell, like, she's living her best fucking life. Yes. This is bono. Yeah, this is me.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Okay. It was nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. You know, I grew up watching all these, like, surfing videos. Okay. So, um, which is random coming in New York, but, uh, there's all these, like, iconic surf spots that I want to go see in South Africa. Jeffrey's Bay is the big one.
Starting point is 00:34:27 That's the big, that's the big, that's the big one. Plattenberg Bay is another one. Durbin, I think is another big surfing town. But the thing with Jeffrey's Bay is like, there's all these great white shirt town. Sharks. Yes. Is that something that you guys are concerned about when you're swimming that like of shark attacks?
Starting point is 00:34:42 Uh, yeah. Especially particularly in Cape Town around Musenburg. There's a lot of sharks. So you're on vacation with your family and you're just swimming in the ocean. Yeah, of course. It's Africa, darling. There's animals everywhere. Not everywhere.
Starting point is 00:34:55 I got to talk about that. In the sea, there's animals. If you go into the ocean, there'll be sharks. Right. Sharks are racist. Sharks are racist. Yeah, no, they don't bright black people. Women, because they call.
Starting point is 00:35:06 themselves a great white. You always take little Billy and little Jody and they're going to go to the ocean because they're going to go past my black children and bite the little white kids. That's a fact. They don't bite, but they don't like dark meat. So you tell me great white sharks don't bite black people. Great white sharks like great white folks, baby.
Starting point is 00:35:27 That's a joke, y'all. I'm sorry with your shit. Let me put up my shades. That might be true, though. You never hear about black people. There's no shark attacks. And they say we don't swim. We do swim. We do swim. He's just smart enough to take the little white kids. The last shock attack was like three years ago and it was a white.
Starting point is 00:35:44 It's always a white person. Why people do the crazy things? They like go into like the sea and shit. Like they do adventurous things. They go up mountains and funny things. I mean, no. Yeah. Why do you think we do that?
Starting point is 00:35:55 Why do you think we do all those crazy things? Because you have money to do those things. Yes. But you have money. You're not doing this crazy things. You're not hiking. Yeah. Don't blame that on money.
Starting point is 00:36:02 They blame that on whiteness is bold. Okay. There's only one Steve Irwin for a reason. See, Ronald was too white for white people They're like, he's doing too much Even we want to be like, great They learn from him Maybe you can tell me
Starting point is 00:36:18 I'm not white, I don't know I think it has something to do with like When life gets boring We need to feel like We have to survive Okay, wonderful You know? Like I don't think that like
Starting point is 00:36:29 You know There's parts of the world Where people are really struggling And I don't think they have the same desire to skydive Yeah Right? Because every day is the struggle
Starting point is 00:36:37 Every day is survival It's like find water find food, that survival. But when life is too easy, you start getting bored and you're like, okay, I need to go snowmobiling. You know, I need to put myself in danger. I need to, like, so many people go to Africa and they go on safari, right? And like, they actually, they'll go hunt animals, right?
Starting point is 00:36:53 And it's like, I'm like, what is that about? Why do you feel the need to, like, tap into your, like, primal roots? And I was talking to buddy mind. He was like, I really think that, like, these are like reward systems baked into our humanity. That's crazy. You know, like, going out there. Like, why are fewer worth, like, millions and millions of dollars?
Starting point is 00:37:09 you taking a gun in the middle of the forest and trying to shoot like a buffalo. Maybe some people just like power. Maybe some people just like overpowering, overpowering things. And they can't overpower a person, so they go overpower an animal anymore. But those people that can afford to do that are probably so powerful already. They're like overpowering people. It's got to be expensive to do that. A private.
Starting point is 00:37:31 I'm sure it is. I wouldn't really know. You've never done that. I've seen people. We see people coming, I mean, all over the world, hunting. Some places it's legal. You know, there are people with licenses who are able to come into a game reserve and, you know, kill a giraffe and say, hey, take a picture and put it on Instagram. But it is expensive, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Is it, is it annoying to answer, like, animal questions when you come to the States all the time? Yes. Well, don't walk around in Chinchillas. You got a whole goddamn animal on you, Bonong, all right? Don't walk around animals on you, then. It feels lovely. You know, in South Africa, since 1905, it's only been 248 unprovoked shark attacks. Only.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Unprovoked. How do you, I mean, isn't going in the water provoked? Maybe if you're going in their fogwood, but you know how little that is? 248 since 1905. Yeah. So you have to come and surf in South Africa. You won't get eaten by a shark. No, I would love to.
Starting point is 00:38:28 You love it. The water's warm. The people are warm. The food is great. Yeah. The weather's great. You know, everything's just fine. Okay, now another question I have, languages.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Yes. Okay. There's, obviously, everybody's speaking English. There's 11 in South Africa. This is wild. I speak six and understand nine. Okay, so you speak English. Inference.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Afrikaans. Now, Afrikaans is like a blend with, like, Dutch or something? German, yeah, German Dutch, I think, I believe. So it's got a lot of and phr, ira, steer. Yes. Yeah, it's like Arabic. Yeah, yeah. And what else?
Starting point is 00:39:03 Sistwana? Sissotu, northern and southern Sissotu are two different languages. The clicks. Kasa, it's Kasa. Say it again? It's Kausa. Can you click? Oh, sir.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Oh, no. Can you say Kauting? Kauting? That's easy. That's easy. That's easy. It's Kausa. At English, I was done.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Ta-a-a-ha-ha. Now, did y'all ever get? Yeah, so there's 11 official languages in South Africa. But everybody unites usually around English? English and Isizuulu. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Have you heard of Shaka Zul? Of course, Shaka Zulu. Yeah, everyone knows Shaka Zulu. But you know why? I love Americans. I love Americans. They make me laugh. Every single person, right?
Starting point is 00:39:49 It's like, literally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally. You're like, literally. All the girls speak like that. I'm like, literally. All the white girls speak like that. Literally?
Starting point is 00:40:00 Literally. Yeah, it's so funny. Unfortunately. What? Oh, don't do it, Salabay, don't do it. Why do you think that we're like that? Why do you think Americans have this? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:40:13 It's a twang. I don't know. I guess it's just an accent. But that's what makes life great, though, right? What do you mean? You have a New York accent. I got kind of the down south list, I guess, a little New York. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:24 Don't plan that on the South. It's like here, right? There are many dialects. So just everyone speaks English. Yeah, like you have different neighborhoods that are going to have different in different actions, different areas. But, but I, do think that there's this kind of like universal, like literally isn't, is everywhere, right?
Starting point is 00:40:39 Like a girl in New York could say that. So there's something cultural about America that like we have to, life is so good, we have to like prove it's real. Yeah, like literally. Literally. Literally. Literally. It's like literally.
Starting point is 00:40:52 And it's a donut. Yeah. No, really. Really? Really is definitely New York. Why the fuck are we trying to convince each other? For real though. For real.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Get eyes. Get eyes. Go on. Come on. Go, go. This is a great observation. Why are we constantly trying to prove these things are really interesting? Maybe because America, I think, on the low, America, know we kind of full of shit.
Starting point is 00:41:15 We do. We kind of know we full of shit just a little bit. Because the things that you're going to see, right, in South Africa, like, they require literally way more. Like, literally a great white shark ate that white kid. That needs a literal. Literally. Literally, it's 30 degrees out. It does not.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Andrew, I'm going to tell you after all your sealer, all this black man's, I'm looking at your patch, because I'm thinking it's a brother up under there. Who? I have a brother up under me? That's a key to reason. Flame, what would that make him if he had a brother up under him? Is it too early for champagne? Because you don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Is it too early for champagne? I'm like, let me look at his junk. He might be more black shit. I'd prefer you have a chill, but I mean, you can. You want me to wait? It might be a bit warm. Put on ice for like 30 minutes. Because I want you to enjoy it like.
Starting point is 00:42:16 But we might have to leave after 30. Can we just try? This is your own? This is her own champagne. Yeah. Oh my good. Same way Ho got ACE's spades. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Bonang got house of BNG. B and G. Yeah. And that's for Bonang. Yeah. It's short for Bonang. Maiden, Maiden bottle in Kicktime. But I'm going to take you.
Starting point is 00:42:33 I'll take it to the vineyard. Let's try. Can I try it? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to order some anyway. Oh, so you got some money if you're making champagne out here. They told me yesterday during the breakfast club interview, I was too focused on Bolognaung's money.
Starting point is 00:42:45 So I'm going to act like I don't know she got it. But I just do that because I like the business aspect of it. I don't know what she's talking about. I don't know. I just like the fact that she's been able to build her brand. Oh, you know, I've been slapped in the face with the coat before, huh? You know, you know, towards the $1,000 of Canada. That's how we are in Chicago, Bonnone.
Starting point is 00:43:03 What's the heck. Well, no, you've been to Chicago? I heard you. You've been to Chicago? No. We like this in Chicago when the guns come out. Where you are now? Don't talk about my city, Charlemagne.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Oh, I forgot playing from Chicago. Don't talk about my city player. I've heard some very good things about Chicago. Chicago is beautiful city. Shit. No, it is. Downtown is. She ain't going to be in the part.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Shit, they're coming downtown now. I love Chicago. I do like Chicago, especially down town. And what would you say that is the best city in America? Brownsville. Let's say an African. Brownsville. Well, let's say it's a.
Starting point is 00:43:33 You can't put it on one because I love Virginia Beach, Virginia. I love Chicago. I love Long Beach. I live in Long Beach, California. Not necessarily L.A., but Long Beach for just the neighborhoods of it all. Okay. Where's that? Oh, I love Monterey, California. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I love my... So it's a beautiful place. But I'm going to see I'm old school. I like it slow and mellow. I don't like the fast pace. I did all that in my 20s. Yeah. I just love where this black people.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Like Atlanta, Georgia. I really enjoyed. I really, really enjoyed that. I loved Miami, Florida. I went there once. That was fun. I went to Dallas, Texas. Dallas is amazing.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Dallas, so hold on. So you left Africa to find black people in America? I feel more comfortable. That was very racist. You didn't say that. No, I just said I feel good. You could have saved your money on the flight.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I'm more comfortable around black people. I think that's what I mean. But I love, no, I just, I don't know. I just sort of gravitated towards those. I love the production of black people. In Atlanta, that's why. I love you see black people working. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:35 So everywhere you see. Everywhere you go. Because Atlanta, at home, there's black people everywhere. Yes. It's the norm. It's the norm. Yes. There's black people.
Starting point is 00:44:42 I love being around black people too. Andrew's like the only white person I'd be around once a week. I'm not sure if Andrew is all the way white. I'm telling you. Yeah. I'm a nice. I'm a white man. I think it's the New York upbringing.
Starting point is 00:44:52 When you brought up in New York, I think your mindset is a little bit different. See, I'm from down south. So I know the type of white people that we want to avoid. So is New York your favorite city? In the world? Yes. In America. I do love it.
Starting point is 00:45:04 In America it is. In America, it is. Salute, everybody, salute. Oh, before you're a cup. I don't have a cup. Actually, I took a sip out of that. I didn't know what Bonan was drinking. I'm drinking.
Starting point is 00:45:13 But yeah, I think New York is amazing. Obviously, I'm biased, you know, but there's places that are amazing to kind of, like, visit and just be in and just, like, fascinating to, like, look at. Like, Tokyo is just a crazy different cultural experience. You know, I wouldn't want to live there. Japan. Yeah. Okay. But it was just, like, it was just unique and wild.
Starting point is 00:45:31 But New York just provides some very interesting. interesting things. A guy like me, I could grow up in New York and be so close to all these different cultures to the point where it's really not hard for me at all
Starting point is 00:45:43 to like sit down and talk and relate to people. Yeah, I got you. It's not overwhelming, New York. Yeah, it is. But when you know. Where are you going? Say again?
Starting point is 00:45:50 Right? The old people will run you over along the street. And her are you going. Yes. I'm like, where are you going? They will run you over. They do.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Yeah. And I'm a big bitch. It's hard on you. You know, the interesting thing about New York, You realize that New York's not overwhelming when you realize nobody's really going anywhere. They're not going on. So all you got to do is walk your own pace.
Starting point is 00:46:10 You know how like if I was to take off running down that hall right now, people in the hall would probably start running too, just because. Yeah. They're like, what the fuck is going on? New York kind of feels like that. It's like this rat race and everybody's running, ripping, and shit. And you feel like you got a rip and run too, but no. People are in a rush to get home to watch Netflix.
Starting point is 00:46:24 That's it. It's the weird. It's a series. That's exactly what it is. Episode number two. Thank you. Yeah. Question.
Starting point is 00:46:30 It's a weird thing. You're going to enjoy it. I'm going to enjoy it. I sat next to that fat bitch. I'm going to watch it. That's the first thing I'll watch when I get home. Guys, let's take a break for a second and pay some bills here. Do you remember when socks used to be one of the worst things you could get at Christmas?
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Starting point is 00:48:58 I think music. I think. I'm not going to be specific. I think fashion. I think yeah, music and fashion. Those are the two things I think about. Because culture in Africa is different, right?
Starting point is 00:49:17 Yeah, culture, I mean, I would imagine this is something that you're drawing from like thousands of years. Let me maybe, when you say culture, what do you think? That's what I'm asking you, because I know culture in America means something different than it means. I want to ask a question now. Before you stop, I'm sorry, Shaman. I want to cut you up.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I want to lose. Yes, you did. As a black woman from South Africa, do you feel like the pride of women in South Africa is stronger there than the black women here in America? No. No? I think we're proud of different things.
Starting point is 00:49:46 I'm talking about internally as a woman. I haven't met enough American women to make... That might not be a bad thing. Keisha from the Black baby! You don't seem like a girl's girl. Me? Yeah, you know, you got a lot of homeboys. I have both.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I have both. But I vibe with anyone, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a lot of homeboys. I got a lot of homeboys. I'm comfortable around a lot of people, so, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Because you're comfortable with yourself. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. What was it?
Starting point is 00:50:17 Cheers. No, no. In the language you were saying, oh, God. Istosa. In, Istosa. Shaka, shit. How do you say? It's just cheers.
Starting point is 00:50:25 That's it? Yeah. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers is cheers around the world. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Cheers. Cheers, everybody. Cheers. Cheers. Let me know what you. you think? No, me take it. It's good.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Tasty. Tasty. Not bad. I mean, I don't know anything about campaign, but it's good. You see how he did me? He didn't even give me in. You said you don't drink.
Starting point is 00:50:44 You said you don't drink. Yo, Charlemagne. You got to make up your goddamn mind. You put ice in there. Charleman, why you hate black women so much, though? I don't hate black women. I hate flame.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Oh. Oh, I love playing. I love playing. That's how you said That's how you shut up You fuck you Fuck you Nick's shit
Starting point is 00:51:09 I love Flynn I'm a whole nigga up Under this wig That's what my Transcissus gets so offended about But when you
Starting point is 00:51:17 ever see the videos When a man Walk pet Next to a tranny On the street And say Oh that What's up
Starting point is 00:51:21 What's up dude The tranny Go all back and forth They banter And go to It snatching on wig off And saying I'm still a
Starting point is 00:51:28 motherfucker fucking man I'm like But bitch Ain't that fuck We are About now You should have Just agreed to a bitch
Starting point is 00:51:34 Kevin Bush. There was that video where the dude was in GameStop. He goes, do I look like a woman? Oh, he definitely did not look like a woman. This is kind of tasty.
Starting point is 00:51:46 What did this come in? Is this the only flavor? Brut rosé. This is brute, and there's a brood rosé. There's only two. What makes something brute? I've seen that written on a...
Starting point is 00:51:55 Ooh, that's a cologne. Brut. That's my friend of a cologne. That's old. That's what I'm telling my age. Brutin just means it's a type of MCC That's all it means It just means it's made like any other
Starting point is 00:52:11 We can't call it champagne, Charlemagne Because it's not from Champagne. It has to be from the region of champagne in France To be called champagne Got you. Tequila too apparently Has to be from Halisco, Mexico And cognac has to be from cognac in France
Starting point is 00:52:25 Ah Fuck the French I don't have the stupid rules with that shit It's a grape, get over it Get over it The grape, adds and bubbles. You know, it's the same process, but we have to call it MCC, which means method cup classic. But it's just made in the same way double fermentation.
Starting point is 00:52:40 How long did it take you to learn all this shit, bono? Three and a half years. Wow. Yeah, but we only launched this in March 18th, 2019. But it took us about four years to kind of get it to where we are drinking it in New York right now. So you had to go through a whole process. Of course. Really?
Starting point is 00:52:54 Of course. What was it? Give us the background on that? I mean, you need to, I mean, I'm new in the wine industry. You know, I had to kind of figure out what wine is, learn a lot of about wine, learn about the brand, learn about the different kinds of brands.
Starting point is 00:53:07 There are different grapes, you know, different fermentation methods. I had to get a wine master, you know, and we put it together. And the rest is history, I guess. I hate champagne. This is ex-stasy. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Why don't you like, you don't drink at all? I'm going to make a non-alcoholic flame. Malibu rum for my birthday last year. I bet you got to fight too. No, I did not. I get made love to. I don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:53:31 I want to make a non-alcoholic version. I'll send you one. Yeah, yeah. But this is actually tasty. Thank you very much. And it's smooth. It's not like, it's like, oh, okay. Easy drink.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Benang. I have a question. Bonang, sorry. How old is called it B? 32. Can I ask you? Okay, B 32. So.
Starting point is 00:53:48 I used to be 32. It's a great age. It's a great age. Very big age. How were you when you were 32? The body was so banging. Oh, you're still banging out. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I used to be a damn piece. I'm full on hairyy telling me right now. What's wrong with Harriet? Now listen, I don't like that. Harry was stressed out, flame. Harry was stressed out because if Harry was stressed out, she wouldn't have kept going back. Harry was gangster and determined.
Starting point is 00:54:16 That's what she was. She definitely wasn't stressed out. Because I'm the bitch that would have got away and be like, they on their own shit. I refuse to believe Harriet was out of shape. I refused to believe that. She couldn't be. She was running a whole damn.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Exactly. I don't like the way to be. depicting Harriet in the movie. There's no way, man. Harriet had to be like a track body. I'm serious. I don't think Harry looked like no woman either. I think Harry was fooling people. She might have been the first original F to M.
Starting point is 00:54:43 They might have thought Harry was a little dick. All right. Okay. It worked. It worked. Okay, so let's revisit that Harriet thing before we go on. You know we have to get credit to white people because black folks didn't own nothing. They're in for real. White folks helped us.
Starting point is 00:54:56 White folks helped. I thought you was going to freak it with the Harriet Tubman. No, no, no. I love the story of Harriet Tubman. I just saw the movie. The movie was not about slavery. The movie was about sheer determination and will. It really was. And Vanessa El-Celler-Wa did kill it.
Starting point is 00:55:09 But white folks had to help us. They had to help us. They own boats and houses to hire us and move. So I would like for somebody to show that angle of it. Well, that's always the misconception that white allies are new. That's a good white folks. But there's a different white allies and white saviors. A lot of times what Hollywood likes to do is they like to present white
Starting point is 00:55:30 saviors instead of white allies. Fuck Hollywood. Like, stop getting your history from Hollywood. I think that's the biggest problem. That's the fact. You want to really know what happened. Don't be so lazy that you're condensing your whole history into like a two-hour depiction of this movie. Like read a fucking book or just Google some shit.
Starting point is 00:55:47 It's not that hard. It works when it's done right, though. Because, yo, what it does is it like taps into an emotion, right? They like, they really find a way to manipulate us and like, and they do that savior thing. And then, you know, white people will go watch the movie. and we'll be like, man, it was really amazing what happened in Friday Night Lights or what amazing happened in these situations.
Starting point is 00:56:06 For sure. But reality is, like, you don't need to get your information from there. It's not their responsibility. I hate to say it. It's not Hollywood's responsibility. Andrew, you're absolutely right. But I hate to say, that is how majority of people learn. They learn through arts and entertainment,
Starting point is 00:56:19 especially in America. Is that the case in South Africa? Like, so here's a great question. When you're teaching the history of South Africa, like when you're growing up and learning history in school, how much of it is the fuck? up history of South Africa? Or is there like a real effort to go, hey, this part happened, but look at all the
Starting point is 00:56:36 amazing strides that we've made since then? I think everybody knows the history of South Africa. Well, it's taught in school, in history, you know, in primary school and high school. We know pre-1994. We know Nassau Mandela. We know what happened during apartheid, what happened after apartheid. So we know all about it. I mean, we know how South Africa is what it is today.
Starting point is 00:56:54 So do they teach black history in schools here? No, most of all, I'm stuck on the fact that I'm pronouncing apartheid wrong this whole Me too. You made that shit sound like a dish. That shit sounded tasty. A part-tee? Would you like some of a pot-in? That shit sounded delicious.
Starting point is 00:57:12 No. You can't say that. Do it. You? Wow. It's a past date. What is it? A birthday.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Oh, my God. That comes after dinner. How do you function? I'm only here today, girl. I'm going to have all this. There's too much for me. So you go to say? No, but the answer to your question, they teach, it's limited black.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Okay. All right. Like, we're not learning about, like, we're not really learning about apartheid. In America, we definitely learned it like... I'm saying black American history. We know that black people invented peanut butter. That's about it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:47 That is not true. You learned that. Well, in all schools. On black history mode. It's sort of like, you know, call up. We do. We do. We do.
Starting point is 00:57:53 George Washington invented peanut butter. Like, George Washington. George Washington. George Washington. They said, Carver. Carver. Yeah, that's George Washington, that guy. He did everything.
Starting point is 00:58:01 You need the first president? You chopped out a cherry tree? You made peanut butter? You know, the cherries with a jelly. He needs some of the carrot. Whoa. Hey, bro. That's how the sandwiches get made, dude.
Starting point is 00:58:14 That's George Washington. But they teach us limited things. Like, they might teach us about Martin Luther King Jr. Okay. You're not going to learn about Malcolm X. Depending where you are, you'll learn about Frederick Douglass. For whatever reason, D.C. teaches about Frederick Douglass a lot. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:28 I'm from Charlton, Zalk, Carolina, so I learned about Denmark. BC growing up because his house was actually downtown Charleston. So I just think it's a matter of location, but overall, I'm asking, do they teach you about, you know, black African? No. Okay. No way.
Starting point is 00:58:41 All right. No. Like Nelson Mandela. No. We learn about Nelson Mandela through movies. Okay. I think that's what you mean. Like, why is it, I mean, what other toys do people have?
Starting point is 00:58:52 Yeah. The story is so fascinating. Yeah. Right. So we'll learn about it. But it's very rare that. Well, Taylor is saying you got to go to college. I didn't go to college.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I'm not the part of African history. But you have to choose to learn it. It's not compulsory. But we kind of, it's an odd thing because I didn't realize it until when I was living in Spain and my roommate was from Cameroon. And I didn't realize that I looked at Africa at 21 years old as a country instead of 100 countries. Yeah. Right? So like in that moment, he was like, yeah, you have to realize.
Starting point is 00:59:20 And each country is full of different tribes because we didn't even carve up the map. White people did. So each country has its own. people and its own president and its own systems and its own culture. But even within the country, there's multiple cultures and their tribal. Let me tell you something. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:38 For instance, I'm Tijuana from the Tijuana culture, right? Suana, Kimu Tijuana from Bapong, which means a Murulong. And under the Tijuana culture, we have kings. So there's Bafukeng tribe, Barolong tribe,
Starting point is 00:59:51 Batsipin tribe, and each of those tribes has a chief. So let's talk about Bafuang, right? Their chief is chief. they live in Pocaying, right? And they own all the platinum mines. In Bapong, Moroong, they live in Bapong. We have our own chief.
Starting point is 01:00:07 And then the Zulu people also now that Zulu's Zulu culture, Shaka Zulu was a Zulu king. Yeah. And each, so each, I mean. First person to do white face. Okay. I had to think about it. He didn't do white face. He's wrong.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Okay. Anyway, yeah. So you all right. In each tribe, there's. like can be seven other sub-tribes. Right. Yeah. And they'll have some sort of rights to that business, like for the minds. If you're just part of that.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Yes. So let's say in the Bufu Keng tribe. Yeah. The chief in Peking since all the kids who are born in Bufu Keng, in Puking, to university. Really? If you are born in the, if you're a child from that tribe. Because they own all the platinumized. They're the richest tribe in Africa. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:58 And then you have monarchies like Swaziland that has an. active king. And then in the Zulu tribe as well in South African, Guazulu Natal in Durban has an active king as well. So there's an active king that operates within a democratically elected government. So do the people of that region tend to vote based on
Starting point is 01:01:16 how the kingdom wants to vote? Ah, so this is... We're experiencing that here right now. We have an active king in the Whitehap. That's what he thinks he is. He's a king. He's about to get the throne. I saw that this morning on... We're up again. But yeah, I think it's interesting.
Starting point is 01:01:31 It's like we kind of gravitate and vacillate towards that. We like we're so democratic and so free thinking. But it's not really. It's like your parents kind of tell you what your politics are and then you kind of lean into those politics, which is similar to like a tribal system. Only there's like a cultural, I guess, attached to this. But I think it's different in America because it's more than one tribe. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:01:50 Right, right. Whereas you're born into that and that's the tribe. Yeah, but it's more than one. So therefore it's always still a still of democracy, right? Yes. But I guess here, I guess you don't have a choice to jump ship with another tribe. You can do whatever you want. If you marry into like a man from another tribe, you become part of that tribe.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Now, what if the man wants to become part of your tribe and he marries into you? Traditionally, he can't. A man is a man. Interesting. What if your tribe are more popping tribe, though? And I want to be like, well, man. Then you need to marry good then. Marry rights.
Starting point is 01:02:19 You know, marry properly. That is one thing that should change. Well, I'm not married. This is called a stop nonsense flame. Let me tell you. Well, you don't want these. guys to talk to you. I'm just like,
Starting point is 01:02:31 please, I'm here to work. I'm in America. The ring is the least of the day when you're fucking crazy. You're acting get so strong. You turn to Prince Hakeep. The ring is the least in
Starting point is 01:02:42 America. You ain't saying that South Africa that you've been here. That ain't going to stay up away, girl. The ring can't go to stay away. Shit. They might catch me on one of them.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Hello. I need to use your family. You left that one over, girl. I had to slide on When the last time you had to use that ringbone? Um, I don't know. When was it? Last night.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Where would you at? I can't tell you. We got a good story. We go on your Instagram. This is a lot of time. Where were you? Because your African accent and your beautiful black woman, are more white men attracted you than black men?
Starting point is 01:03:25 It's so funny. Like in Europe, in Europe men love, the European men love like African women like very dark African women. Here, no one really says much, you know, but they do hollah, they're very confidence. Well, that's because people don't talk to each other here. No, I'm going to say what it is.
Starting point is 01:03:42 That goddamn fur and all that goddamn jewelry and them expensive-ass bags and that designer phone case, Joddy Orr, whatever that is. They feel like you out of their lead. They're like, look, it's a random Thursday. Might be intimidated. At 11 a.m. and she got on a full chinchilla. And I actually have to go, by the way.
Starting point is 01:03:59 What are you got on now? You have a date. I just like to know what Bonang is doing because I am really impressed by the brand that you have built. I have a meeting now. I'm going to use this because it's a bit hot in here. Oh, you're fine.
Starting point is 01:04:13 I'm going to give you one before you leave. Thank you. I actually really liked us. Is this you? Is this you? Yeah. You do know why it's hot in here. You do know what I do.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Why is it hot in here? Because she got on a goddamn chinchilla. That's a great point. And a turtle net. You broke it down the business. It's cold. It's very cold. I have a meeting
Starting point is 01:04:31 like now at midday with pencils of promise Do you know pencils of promise? It's an organization that builds schools in Africa. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, one of the ones like that. We need it.
Starting point is 01:04:43 It's none of a choice. Okay. What do you mean? Do we like it? Because that seems like the go-to for like Westerners. They're like, all right, if I want to be a good person. No school in Africa. Well, we don't like it.
Starting point is 01:04:54 But unfortunately, we do need it. I'm going to take that because it's going to make this annoying sound. Because we do need it. Fan of it. So you need it. So you're going to. Fan the queen, Andrew. That would be over here, but my tribe doesn't know.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Listen, you colonizer. Fan the queen. I got a queen, bro. And I don't fan hurt. That is bad. I like that. So. But, okay, so is it something where you're like, okay, we need it, so we'll accept it?
Starting point is 01:05:22 Because I know that there's a lot of pride there as well. So there might be part of it. There is pride, obviously. It's not a good thing. It's not a, a, it's not a, a, nice thing that, you know, our continent needs all this help, but that's just what it is. You know, we need schools, we need water,
Starting point is 01:05:37 we need infrastructure, we need resources, and we need to get girls into schools. So part of my mission to be here is to build schools and get my girls into school. I agree with you. That's wild, though, because Africa has wealth. Like, you have people in Africa with wealth, so why can't it just be done? That's another conversation for another day. It's just like
Starting point is 01:05:52 the wealth is going to the wrong people and the people with the wealth are not doing the right things for the girls and everybody else. You know what? It's an interesting one because Charlemann had brought this up on a past episode about the Caribbean, but I think it's true in a lot of parts of Africa. They're like China is really making a big move into Africa. It has already. They own a lot of infrastructure.
Starting point is 01:06:11 They, you know, because they give money to a lot of African countries, so they end up owning a lot of things in Africa. And then when you own those minds, you own the natural wealth. How can a country ever get up from under that? Exactly. Wow. I would say it's fucked up, but that's kind of the American model. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:27 It is fucked up. It is. It is. Yeah. It is fucked up. So then what do you do? So colonized and ain't just limited to American white people basically.
Starting point is 01:06:34 No. Europeans. I mean, everybody is colonized. Right. I mean, there's, I mean, the tribal warfare,
Starting point is 01:06:39 I imagine in Africa has existed in that capacity, right? It's like there's a shift of space and a shift of resources and war. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:48 Parts of, you know, I can't speak for all of Africa because there's a war in, you know, the parts of Africa that, I mean, in Rwanda,
Starting point is 01:06:54 there's so many things that are happening. So I can only speak about South Africa. Yeah, I think it's safer for me to do that. Yeah. But, you know, there are things in South Africa that we need.
Starting point is 01:07:02 You know, sanitation, health, hygiene, so many things, roads. I mean, 26% of South Africans are unemployed. Do you know what's interesting? It's like, we have this view of South Africa, I think, in America. Like, South Africa is the first world. It's just like New York. It's just like America. It's just like London or something like that.
Starting point is 01:07:21 It's not different. I think because they're parts of it there are, right? Yeah. In a lot of ways, I think it's almost overlooked in comparison to other places. Oh, because you think it's so developed? Yeah, we're like, oh, no, I should say Trevor. Hey, Trevor knows from there. He always tells me how dope it is.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Oh, yeah. No, no, we do. We do. We do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So maybe it's almost to its detriment. Like, we need more people to go.
Starting point is 01:07:43 We do. We need a, we need, okay, this is what South Africa needs. We need better PR, number one. I think Africa in general. I think the, the- That's the PR man right there. But that's only because I've been there. That's the PR men.
Starting point is 01:07:55 The misconceptions around Africa need to change. Talk to this man right here. This guy can spin. anything. No, I don't know. It's not about Spitz. All I do is
Starting point is 01:08:03 I find the best Yeah. Like Bonong. Yeah. Like Flynn. It's not from South Africa. Bonong. No, but the best.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Oh. I'm on South Africa. This is not the best of Chicago. You know what the best of Chicago is? Who? Chief fucking Keith. All right. I take Bonong.
Starting point is 01:08:19 That's the one who walk around with his pants hanging up on this, but he is the best. Chief Cheeks. Chief Cheeks. Asking for a friend. No, but you take somebody like Bonong, I meet Bonong, I see how her country gravitates
Starting point is 01:08:38 towards her, which is insane because there's nobody that gets like a mass majority of love, right? Yeah. But if you go look at her, go look at her, go look at her YouTube, go look at her Instagram, unless she's filtering her comments. Yeah. People really love her. They love her.
Starting point is 01:08:54 That's why I'm going to give you a fan because I want you put your fan on your page. Can no bits do what I do? And this is scary. Thank you. So this is the PR. The PR is just giving her a platform. And that's why I'm here. That's why I have, you know, these important meetings.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Part of it is glitz and glamour, but also you are given these platforms to kind of do something about it. You know, I'm a global citizen ambassador, Africa ambassador. Right. I have a nursery back home, the Bonang Matababasuri Fund that actually, I give. What's a nursery for us? It's a scholarship. Got you, got you. Okay.
Starting point is 01:09:23 So I send 10 girls to university every year. We choose 10 girls. And we pay for their tuition to they do an complete an undergraduate. At the end of the undergraduate degree, have to plow back into the community. So that's the plan. We've educated about 25 girls. The aim is by 300 that we can say, well, 2030 sent 300 girls to school.
Starting point is 01:09:43 But now, you know, if I'm here, I can get money. We need, you know, I want to build a school back home. There are schools that need desks and water and, you know, small things, like even a running toilet. Right. Yeah. I would help you do that. I would help you open the school. Okay.
Starting point is 01:09:59 Cool. I'm glad. You make me feel like my little scholarship funding and shit. What? No. No. I did buy some backpacks. I need to find a nice guy.
Starting point is 01:10:10 What do you find them? Yes, I would love to have children. I'm cancerian. I'm a mother at heart, very nurturing, very loving. Just listen to you speak
Starting point is 01:10:18 and how your addiction is and just how hearing you are. Do you know any nice guys? To be a good mother playing. First of all, just a good dick to be a good mother. Don't get it twisted. First of all.
Starting point is 01:10:27 The addiction comes out. Take a good mother. It takes a good mother. a good dick gonna plan to see. Facts. I know what I'm saying. Stop to listen to that champagne get to. I'm trying to.
Starting point is 01:10:38 I'm having a nigga cheat before I leave here. Oh, Wendy Williams over here in a minute. How you do? I started having flashback. I'm going to have most of a day. It's gone. Oh, my God. We drink all that.
Starting point is 01:11:07 You ain't going to go. You don't have to stop hanging out. I'm going anywhere. We drink it all, Bono. Okay, it's fine. Listen, I will help you open a school in South Africa. When we're doing that. I will let you know after my meeting
Starting point is 01:11:18 I really love as much help as possible I'm dead serious What is the day to open up a school? How much money are we talking? About 50,000 US dollars? 50,000? Yeah. Shala!
Starting point is 01:11:28 I got $4,000. We're spending $50,000 on Jansports you could be open to schools, bro. It's $50,000? Mm-hmm. I just started, I started a scholarship fund last month. And Oprah only opened two? She opened the Oprah Winfrey Academy for Girls,
Starting point is 01:11:46 which is a massive on its own private institution. Oh, okay. probably cost a lot more to build. Oh, no, it's a lot more, yeah. It's a whole, you know, school with a dormitium. Campus. Yeah, no, it's a campus. No, okay.
Starting point is 01:11:58 It's in South Africa. It's absolutely amazing. I mean, she sends all the girls to college in America. Oh, shit. Yeah. And then they come back there. And then they either work here or they come back home. It depends.
Starting point is 01:12:07 But you always, yeah. I launched the scholarship fund last month at my mama's alma. Really? Yeah, South Carolina State University. It's the HBCU. So how does it work? Well, I gave them a quarter million dollars. And the scholarships go.
Starting point is 01:12:20 to black women in South Carolina who major in English, something in the mental health space are communications. Because my mother was a teacher. She's a teacher. So her major is English. I'm radio and TV. So that's communications. And then I'm big on, you know, people being mentally healthy.
Starting point is 01:12:37 Mental health is very important. So if a school is 50 grand in Africa, bro. What are we waiting on to open up B&C Academy? Oh, now. This is a promise. Yeah. Let's get PIC Academy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:49 I agree. We can absolutely do it. You know, and we can name it off to you. No, B and C, no. Listen. I would say cancer school, but that would be good. No, that doesn't sound very positive. A cancer school.
Starting point is 01:13:00 No, no, no, no. Before you take money from a black man who in America, you get to make sure you know all about the side hustle. The what? The side hustle. There's going to be some side effects. Oh, yeah. Flame.
Starting point is 01:13:10 I am a faithful black man. Stop that shit, flame. This is my girl. We're going. We're going. Come on. She's saving me. I love my wife.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Okay. You know how many niggas love their wife? Been at my house. With that ring on and the baby seat in the backseat, you know, not that off. You don't know who you fucking with. They say if you like it, you should have put a ring on. I didn't put no ring on it, but I damn show left one around it.
Starting point is 01:13:37 Y'all, I don't get in. That much champagne, I'm getting loose. No, I fuck a bono. Oh, God. I believe that you don't. Thank you. I'm inspired. I really am inspired.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Thank you. I truly believe that you don't meet anybody. For no reason. Yes. I met Bonang in South Africa. Yes. Randomly. She said I was sitting outside.
Starting point is 01:14:02 I wasn't sitting outside. No, I made him at the global citizen concert. He wasn't sitting outside. I didn't say that. I said you were sitting outside. It was like this studio set up. Me and my daughter were sitting outside. I just don't like to be cramped up in the studio.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Plus, I don't like, there's too many white people in there. That's I was sitting outside. And so I was just sitting there. Plus, everybody kept coming through there. So it was like Oprah pulled up and Tyler Perry and Paul. People were pulling up. The people were pulling up, so I was just sitting outside. And then I saw her and I was like, is that Beyonce?
Starting point is 01:14:30 Because that's how they were acting. That's how they pulled up. It's crazy for you back there? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Trevor Noah. I mean, Trevor Noah and I were hosting the Global Citizen concert. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:14:41 And he introduced me on stage. And it was like, gosh. Superstar. Yeah. Really? Absolutely. So he's just outside. Not just, not out in a bad space.
Starting point is 01:14:51 But you felt the need to, like, bring him in or protect him or. Who was this hobo? Why does everyone say this about you, Shalemate? DJ Envy said the same thing like, oh, yeah, you're some little show man. I thought I didn't say that for him. Oh, my God. Were you familiar with him?
Starting point is 01:15:15 Yes, we know who Shaleman is in South Africa. He's pretty popular out there. Yes, yes, yes, he's popular. He's pretty popular here, too. Especially in my community, too. I heard. He's very popular. Yeah. Wendy loves Chalameh.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Yeah. How I, how we know him is like, well, we get the Wendy Williams show in South Africa and she talks a lot about him. But also, we, we watch a lot of the breakfast show as well. Yeah, yeah. Because, yeah, that's just. So if I came like this, you think I could pass a Wendy. How you do it? Yes, yes. They'll think I'm big Wendy.
Starting point is 01:15:46 You're going to put the picture with playing. See, I could do that, but they'll say I'll be so shady. I'll be a little bit of Suzanne. Do I put the picture of flame and be like, me and Wendy. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know. She don't never know.
Starting point is 01:15:59 That white rich don't never know. You'll enjoy. Is it, is it, Charlie, is it crazy to go to another continent and then be embraced by people in a place where your show doesn't even exist? It's very hard on radio? It actually does exist. On radio? No, we will watch it on YouTube. That's what we learned.
Starting point is 01:16:17 I mean, that's what, like, you know, when I would go on tour internationally and I have people come out, they'd be, oh, yeah, I found you guys. you know, from YouTube. You know what I mean? And it's like, but seeing that, seeing that in another country and being a celebrity in another country, was that, was that weird for you? It's just humbling.
Starting point is 01:16:35 It's very humbling and it lets you know just to power your platform. And it makes you not want to misuse your platform in any way you're performing because you're not just affecting people where you're from. You're affected people all across the world and you might be a representation
Starting point is 01:16:47 for, you know, where you're from for people all across the world. And you know what I find as well with American artists, It's like sort of a, it's like a wow. They recognize me in South Africa because I was watching the Travis Scott documentary on Netflix. Travis Scott, the drummer. No, man, the rap.
Starting point is 01:17:04 Look, Mom, I can fly. Kylie Jenner's baby daddy way. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, that guy, Trevor Scott. Take on the accent to everybody you're talking about. Kylie Jena's baby daddy age town. That's how my age time accent. That's a son of thing.
Starting point is 01:17:19 But anyway, you know, Travis Scott. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a piece in his documentary. Travis Barker is who I'm thinking of it. Oh, and he was saying exactly what she was saying, that you, it's like a, South Africa is so far, right? Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 01:17:31 And it's just like you can, you don't expect your work or your, whatever you do, to reach that part of. And I find it very humbling for Americans, especially, black Americans, when they come to South Africa. It's like, oh, they know who I am. But we actually really do. Yeah, my dumb ass went to the mall. Yeah, you were walking around.
Starting point is 01:17:48 I took me and my wife and daughter went to Nelson Mandela Square Mall. And I was like, what the fuck is happening? Shut it down? I'm not shut it down, but it was like, whoa. Yeah. We know everyone. Yeah. Is it, we know him.
Starting point is 01:18:01 We know everyone. Is it odd for, like, for you as a South African to experience this kind of like new embracing of African roots? Yes. You mean in America? In America. In America when we were growing up, I don't know if there was the same like love or affection or interest in the African roots.
Starting point is 01:18:19 And now it seems like it's really part of like mainstream black culture where is this like, I want to see where 23 and me. I want to see where I'm from and what I am. Because back to where you were saying, unfortunately it's because of Hollywood, Black Panther, the Lion King, Beyonce going to Africa, putting the soundtrack together for the Lion King
Starting point is 01:18:38 and using African artists. Oh, yeah. That's where the wave is coming from. I'm older than all of y'all. Yeah. It's always been there. Well, now I'm sorry, Flame. He's flurring.
Starting point is 01:18:49 But Flame remembers. I'm sure Flame remembers this. the brothers with the African medallions on. You know what I'm saying? Movies like Chakazulu. It's always been a back-to-Africa aesthetic about our community. Even if you watch a movie like Belly,
Starting point is 01:19:04 Nas and Teabazz and Teabazz and was doing that terrible acting and she was like, Africa, that's far. You know, when Nas was like, I'm going to go move back to Africa, it's like Africa, that's far. Like, like, it's always been a thing about Africa. But Black Panther, definitely, I think. Put it up there. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Put it way up there. It really did. Because it made for the first time African culture chic and cool. Yes. And refined and rich. Yes. And powerful.
Starting point is 01:19:29 Which is everything we are. We have vibranium, but it's just like another version of it, you know? Yeah. All those things, the fashion, the people, the jewelry, the pulse, you know, the heartbeat, the soul. We are that. But I'm grateful that it's, you know, finding its way into mainstream America. I think Americans love fresh things, you know, fresh content. They're always looking for different ways to.
Starting point is 01:19:52 to inspire their work. And I think Africa's untapped. What is the vibranium in Africa? The platinum mines. Platinum mines. We have lots of diamonds in South Africa, rich in oil in Nigeria. But you were saying, you know,
Starting point is 01:20:05 the money goes to the wrong people. But Africa is very, very rich in... With the diamond mines, is that true? They have a key, it's fine. I mean, if they catch you steel and they cut off your hand or something like that. Not cut off your hand,
Starting point is 01:20:17 but you have to register any diamond or any piece of metal. What if you get constant? Really? Hey, you go to jail. Oh, at least you go to jail. You'll lose a limb. What about President Obama, his Kenyan roots?
Starting point is 01:20:31 Did that have anything? Yes, we love him. He's come to South Africa. Yeah, oh, we love them. Michelle has come to South Africa many, many times to have talks. She was there a couple of months ago, actually. It was a big moment for Africans, you know, the Barack Obama, I think, for any black person. It resonated with a lot of us.
Starting point is 01:20:49 There was something very, and he was there when Nelson Mandela passed away. He was there when our mama Weenie passed away, I believe. I think he came back. So he is a big love of South Africa too. He loves South Africa. I love South Africa. When you see success stories in America of black people,
Starting point is 01:21:09 is it something that like you're used to by now or is it something that's expected? When you see somebody come from nothing and then become a millionaire, is that inspiring? Very inspiring. That's why I try. Trevor Noah is like our national treasure.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Right. Charlize Stheon is our national treasure because our country is so new, right? Right. It's impossible to think there are so many, there are so many under South African stories. But it is a... And what about Black American stories? Like when you see a guy, even like Charlemagne or you see a guy like Jay-Z or like Diddy, like guys who maybe haven't come from a lot and then they come to hit this like... Absolutely. Is that inspirational?
Starting point is 01:21:50 Absolutely. I think, you know, black people will root for it. black people. Right. Yeah. And we, there's something about when a black person wins
Starting point is 01:21:56 is like, yeah, you know. Burner Boy's mom said something very important at the, um, was it the BET Awards when he, she accepted his, he said, I want every black person to know that before they're anything.
Starting point is 01:22:09 They are African. That was great. There's, Alex, Alex does all the video production for the show. He said something very interesting. Well, he,
Starting point is 01:22:17 he was talking about, we were talking about like what it's like being black. And like we were talking about, I think it was maybe the use of the N-word or something like that and like why maybe people in other countries that are black can still use it, even though they have an experience like the American oppression where it was derived from. And then he goes, the black experience globally is very similar, meaning being a black person in Germany is not that different than being the black person in America, et cetera. So hearing you go, like, you are black first and this, like you want to see other black people win. It kind of put that in perspective for me. And it's just cool to see you root for someone in another country because you feel like you understand what they might have gone through to get there.
Starting point is 01:23:00 Yeah. Yeah. And we use them for, you know, as a point of reference for many, many, many, many things. I mean, America is, well, not even America, just black Americans in general. You come here, the best of the best. And if you can be the best of the best, amongst the best of the best, it's like, are you kidding me? Yeah, you have to celebrate that. And that dispels a lot of false stereotypes and false.
Starting point is 01:23:21 narratives, right? Because for so long, I didn't even know, I thought Africans didn't refer to themselves as black. But I hear your whole generation refer to yourself as a black person, which is refreshing to me. We are very black. And you don't be acting like you didn't know what that was. You go to the movies. You know they always kill the black person first time. Thank you. White people say that too. We know they're going to be in the next one. You're going to have a look at long as life. I'm just keeping it.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Oh, you're so funny. has to go because he has a meeting. And I don't want Bonan to be late because I don't want the white people that she's going to be. Yes, please. To say things like, Jesus Christ, you black people from Africa are always late too. African time. So it'll go from CP time to African time. Okay?
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