The Brilliant Idiots - Champagne and Troubles (Feat. Bonang Matheba And Flame Monroe)
Episode Date: November 28, 2019Champagne and Troubles (Feat. Bonang Matheba And Flame Monroe) by Charlamange Tha God and Andrew Schulz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...
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That's right. Now listen, it's Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving week. Are we here?
We have Flame and...
Bonong.
Bonong. Flame Monroe and Bonong, two of my favorite motherfuckers. Both of them are cancers.
Flame is hilarious.
Flame is like somebody that I've never met before in my life.
Bonong is like, you know, the queen of Johannesburg.
South Africa. She is a media personality, TV person, media personality. So TV, radio, she's done it all.
She has her own champagne. She has a lingerie collection. Like Bonang is just a boss, period. And they
will be joining us today. Right? Damn right. We can just get to it. Let's get to it.
Now, listen, today on the breakfast club, well, last week on the breakfast club, we interviewed
somebody who I found very entertaining
and all I kept thinking to myself was Andrew
Schultz has to meet this person.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Flame Monroe is here!
Remember we had Ida on and we told Ida we wanted to have Flame on.
Yeah, Ida was bigger you up, man. Ida loves you. I was just telling you that earlier.
Oh, I love Ida Roryan because that's my baby. That's my Latin fire.
Yeah.
F-I-Y-A-H.
You were saying something very interesting. If you've seen the Tiffany had a She Ready special on Netflix,
then you've probably seen flame.
But you was giving Ida a lot of props
because you said...
Out of all of us, Ida is the most visible
out of the six of us right now.
She's really on social media.
She's working everywhere.
Ida always uplifts each and every one of us
wherever she goes, you know?
So me this time, but maybe Chanty the next time.
Maybe April the next time.
Maybe Tracy.
Then maybe Marlowe.
But she always recognizes all of us.
And that is black empowerment
or that is female empowerment to me.
Because, you know,
she's not bitching us.
the motherfucking us and tearing us down.
She'd giving us a platform to say, hey, bring my girl on.
This is my girl.
We connected.
We bonded.
And behind the scenes, we patted each other on the back.
We prayed.
We gave each other love.
Go out there and kill it because I'm coming.
It was like a bowling game.
Go smash you.
If you don't knock them down, I'm coming back behind you and knock them down.
It was everybody was great.
You say woman's empowerment, but your booking email is he, she, we at gmail.
That doesn't mean I can empower women.
I'm a trans woman.
I emulate a woman.
say that. I emulate a woman. I learned how to be a girl or a woman from watching a girl or a woman.
Let's never get that confused that I would disrespect real women like that because to me, that's us disrespecting our mothers or whoever raised us female because I know who I am. I didn't learn how to be no girl from watching your ass or watching this player.
I learned how to be a player from my husband. Former player. Flame. Flame, I am a former player. Black men do not cheat.
Yeah, he's transition. I am a faithful. So in black.
man.
Why you want me to be a wholesale man?
What's not?
God.
But I appreciate what she did.
We're so busy caught up in the moment of what black women or what women didn't empower other women.
Let's talk about the positive ones that did.
Yeah, you were saying something really interesting is that just because you see women on TV doesn't necessarily mean they're an empowering role.
Like they could be bickering and fighting on these shows.
And these young girls see that.
This is how they grow up.
They think this is okay.
have the best shoes. I'm a married this man.
I'm going to go to this boutique and mid-motherfucking
bitch and fight over stupid stuff.
So this is who they grow up to become.
This is who they grow up. All the shows that
positive, all the Oprah Winfrey uplifting.
I love you. Love yourself. Empower me shows.
Can't no bitch do what I do show.
You see that? All those will last
for two seasons because it's two walls.
Not Oprah. Oprah was on forever.
Oprah will always be on for it. That is Oprah.
She's saying back in the day.
Oh, okay, okay. That is Oprah.
Let me make sure I give Oprah.
That's Oprah.
Do you think positivity
Now you can bring her in
Bring one neck, you can have them all in
Do you think positivity
Is just a hard sell?
I think that people don't realize
That energy is transferable
Because you surround yourself with negativity
All the time
It's gonna jump on you
Like the ghost
It's gonna always just be at you
Because you're gonna do
When in Rome you do what Romans do
So if I surround myself
With a whole bunch of negativity
Eventually all their energy
You're gonna jump on me
I'm gonna be the most negative
I'm usually pleasant and fun and bubbly.
Yeah.
Hold on.
What time?
You got to leave exactly.
I got a little time.
I can...
Okay, so listen.
Tell her,
tell her we're bringing her in 11-30.
And then, yeah, because I want some time with flame.
Yeah, yeah.
We're so...
I like the way you see in that, Alabama.
I'm going to make that thing a cheat for I leave, I promise.
And he's going to cheat in a whole new way, baby.
Okay, so we...
Oh, we're so excited to have you on me because we've had all these comments.
We've had all these comments.
conversation. I feel like there's all these conversations about trans stuff and there's never
anybody trans present that you can like ask and actually understand.
Claim different, bro.
So I know she didn't. She was explaining to me earlier.
But when you said, for example, that you're emulating a woman, aren't there certain trans people
that would be upset by?
Oh, my God.
We were just talking about that.
Do you understand that they coming out to me burning rainbow flags and marches in front of my house?
Really?
Because let me, let me break it down.
I love you, my trans sisters.
I always have to throw that disclaimer in there.
And brothers.
Can I say what you told me earlier?
She said,
unfortunately is the white motherfucker.
That's the word.
Like when someone in the office goes,
unfortunately,
we're moving in another direction.
Corporate,
motherfuckold.
Your shit is being packed and security.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's real talk.
Black folks say,
we say we love,
oh, I love this motherfucker.
We said, well, hey, this motherfucker owe me money.
Yeah, yeah.
Baby, white people,
So smooth with it.
Oh my God.
Mr. God, we love you here at the company.
You have done such an amazing job, unfortunately.
Baby!
We're moving in other direction.
The hell is in the coffin.
Run.
Run, forest, run.
All right, not to cut you.
Continue what you were said.
What did you ask me?
It was about the,
there at your door,
their burning rainbow flags because,
because as a transgender woman,
and here's the misconception,
and my sister's going to be mad at him,
we love to look beautiful.
We love to be soft and gorgeous,
blend in all of that.
But when men are attracted to us,
they're not attracted to us just because
beauty helps. The softness helps.
But they don't want you to be too soft because if you
become too soft of hormones, you become
too soft of hormones.
They're attracted to us for the
male anatomy. But in their psyche,
they feel like, I don't feel like
I'm with a man because it don't look like this.
It's a safe expression of gay
in a lot of ways. Exactly.
But you need to know who you are.
See, this is the problem with us.
We don't know who I know who I am.
I know what I like.
I know how I like it.
And I make no apologies for it.
I don't care about what you think or what he thinks.
As you shouldn't.
And by the way, that's what life should be about.
Right.
It's just very hard for people not to be.
By the way, you're 50 years old, right?
So we're grown.
I'm 41.
I'm very grown.
It takes a while to get to that level of I don't give a fuck.
Yeah, but I always knew who I was.
I knew who I was from a very young age.
Now, I still had to go through the ups and downs of life with, you know, your mother saying this
or you're somebody else making you feel a certain kind of way.
But whenever I was,
I try to conform a change with somebody else,
I always went back to the basis because it never
worked for me.
I wasn't comfortable. Can I tell you what my spiritual
advisor told me last night during a spiritual
counseling session? Because you just hit on the head.
I'm feeling very Erica B'I do right now.
She said, oh man,
she said,
uh,
this is a new addition to his life, by the way,
that's spiritual a violent. She says, when,
um, ever, hold on,
God damn it. Why the fuck can I find it?
She basically said whenever
you're being your true authentic
self, you've been hurt.
Meaning like, you know,
and she bought it back to my inner
child when I was a kid. When I was a kid
and I was age
years old and my cousin's
ex-wife used to be, you know,
letting me suck of tities and giving
me head. I used to like it.
Right? And then when she got the jerry curl,
I made her stop because I didn't like the smell of her
jerry curl. And so then that woman
started insulting me all the time.
You understand what I'm saying? She felt rejected.
Yeah. So she started insulting me.
me being my true author to Excel saying, no, I don't want this anymore.
I don't want this anymore.
Caused me pain.
You know what I mean?
So that makes us all try to be what people want us to be to avoid the pain.
This is like baked into our DNA.
Biologically, I was looking at this.
Like back in the day when we were living in like little tribes, if you disagreed with the group, they just killed you.
They couldn't have one person disagree with the group.
Or in Salem.
Or you put you in the way to town.
Of course.
Right?
So is anybody disagree if we had to go?
So it's in our DNA to kind of conunded.
They do those weird conformity experiments where they put like eight people in an elevator and then seven will all just turn around for no reason.
Here's the beauty of being, of knowing who you are.
Right.
You're independent thinker.
100%.
But it's scary to get there for most people.
I think that's why we look up to those that are independent thinkers, even if we disagree with them, because we understand the fucking balls it takes.
You know, or, you know, not.
Literally.
Are you transitioned full?
No, hell not.
So you kept it.
I'm a blessed woman.
I ain't changing.
Shit, but mine.
I got three kids.
You got three kids?
Biological.
Now,
flame like pussy.
Oh.
We just talked about that.
I know we were talking about this.
And you said that you like female to male.
Uh-huh.
So that means.
F-to-Ms.
You like F-to-M.
So they start off as a woman and they transition to a man.
But they usually keep the vagina.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is an amazing photo.
She likes girls that look like you.
Thank you, bro.
Right.
So if you had to do that.
And it has to be furry.
I'm not one of these new age news.
I do have trans facial hair.
Not that fair.
Oh, you like it down here.
You like pubes.
Don't you know that's the black girl magic, baby?
That's how black girls catch me.
Really?
What?
The wire.
What?
That's the wire, baby.
The wire got traps.
Don't you listen?
The dolomite say way down in the jungle deep.
That's the thing that's what I was talking about.
When you open your legs, I don't know.
needed to look like Pam Greer's Afro in the 70s
right there. I'm going to find the magic treats.
Why you don't like the ball?
I have had the balls. And I still see very handsome
me. I'm attracted to you like, oh my God, he's gorgeous.
But I just am not attracted to being penetrated. That just
don't do nothing for me. Okay, so listen, when you say,
so you call these women. So they're trans, what would that be?
That would be trans men. They're trans men.
Okay, so you like trans men.
Yeah, they're still daddy. They still my baby.
They say, boy, they demand 23 hours a day. They open the doors.
they do everything man do for the one hour dance, they don't.
Interesting.
And then so you dominate in that situation?
In every situation in the bedroom.
I'm that girl.
So the bedroom is completely flipped,
but life you want to be dominated.
You want to be taken care of.
No, I don't want to be taking care of,
I'm a hustler.
I'm always going to work.
Right.
But I want somebody to make...
Emotionally, I meant.
Yes, and appreciate it.
And women are so attached and so loyal.
And my grandmother used to always say,
this is what separates trans women
from real women.
cis women. That's a new word.
Cis women. My grandmother, she always said my aunties.
A woman's strength and weakness is the exact same thing.
Her loyalty. Because a woman will stay when she knows she should have been gone.
For the sake of her children, for her statute, for whatever.
A man, because I still got a man's hard mentality.
And a man, I'm going, baby, I'm tired. This is getting them a goddamn nerd.
I'm going to get a little for bread.
20 years later, I ain't came back.
That was a great excuse back in a day.
But this is why I'm saying, women are loyal to a fault.
Right.
We don't have that because we still think.
And most queens I know are hustlers.
The queens in relationships are most of the time
the men in a relationship because they make the money.
They make the bread.
They got to hustle and the drive.
The man is just the showpiece.
Interesting.
Now here's a question I've always had,
and maybe you have some perspective on us.
You know, trans people speak about feeling
like they're in the wrong body
or feeling like the opposite gender.
I don't know what it feels to be a man, right?
I just know what it feels to be me.
I'm just walking around as me.
And I guess when I was a kid, I felt like a kid, an adult.
I feel like an adult.
I don't know if I understand your explanation that you're confusing this shit out of me.
But I know what you're saying.
Let's go back.
That's how I feel.
Well, I wouldn't know what it feels like to be a woman anyway because I've never been a woman.
That's why you said emulate.
Exactly.
So then what is the, so my question is.
I couldn't even answer that because I've never felt like I was in the wrong body.
Ah, but you've heard that term before, right?
But I'm very comfortable with me.
So the changes I made, I added on.
You wanted to do it.
Okay.
So then the question is, like, how did you know that this was the most comfortable for you?
Before you ever, you know, had makeup or a wig or wore a dress?
I'm seeing somebody on TV.
And it was simple as that.
Beverly LaSalle from all the family.
And when I saw her, I knew I was going to be okay because that is who I was, but I was only six.
At that young age.
I wouldn't dress now.
See, now, let's go to that to the young age thing.
I don't agree with the whole Johnny DeVille.
Johnny identifies as a girl and Johnny's seven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm letting Johnny with that.
Who's in charge in your house?
Because I beat Johnny's ass and said, look, he'll a player.
You can identify as a girl at home.
You're not going out in the streets and to school like that because I know how cruel the world is.
That is considered problematic.
I'll take it.
But when Johnny, when you hit puberty and you decide that's how you're feeling and you still get that,
then we don't have that talking.
If I feel that you're ready to do that, because I'll do that.
Because here's what happens because life is phase.
And your mind changes from years to years to years.
Right, right.
So you let little Johnny identify as a girl.
Some of these parents are giving these little boys testosterone blockers at 9 and 10 years old.
You shrink his penis.
You mess up his sperm count.
He starts growing breasts.
But then Johnny turns 17 and meets some little girl that he likes.
Get him some vagina for the first time.
And she don't want him for the dick.
And she don't want him.
You got tini's.
I can't have your baby because you shrunk your penis.
It's small.
So you didn't miss Johnny's mind up completely as the parent.
Yes.
Because you ain't let Johnny just be.
I mean, just you, somebody needs to be in charge.
Yes.
So Johnny comes back at 19, say he hates you, he hates his life, kills itself or kills
a parent.
Why can't we have this conversation without being considered transphobic?
And that's why I love people like you because you're from that community.
They'll listen to you.
To us, they just always be transphobic.
No, they get so upset at her.
I'm going to get emails like you wouldn't believe in boxes.
But what's interesting is that like I feel like we're having a conversation and we're asking
questions because we truly don't understand it.
And when you don't understand things
And ignorance is bliss
So if you want to know
Ask
Exactly
What I want to do
What I want to do with people
In my in my touring
And meeting people
Because I'll tell you
I want to be a spokesperson
But I want to be able to talk to you
And you might have thought
This about a trans person
Yes
But after talking to me
You have let the shield down
And be like
You know a flame
It's cool as hell
Yeah
Maybe I can meet another one like that
Talking to you
You might have been a little abstract
A little apprehensive
The FACC said the same thing
To me
Why? Like I told you, Ella, because she's talking shit and laughing.
Yeah.
That's all we want to do.
Give a man, nigga, pour him a drink, smoke some weed,
let's talk to shit and laugh and get them to something.
I don't smoke weed.
Bullshit.
I don't.
I'm an edible girl.
I don't smoke weed.
Do you the same thing?
Yeah.
That's the same.
Now, I love what you, when you say he's she and we.
I love how you break that down.
Because the man and me been pimping a woman in me for 25 years.
Because Mark and Parker don't make no money.
But flame and roll make it all.
So he cashed the check.
She get the money and we spend it.
That's one person.
That's my pronoun.
Come on.
That's my pronoun.
I don't know what it happens if I love it.
Don't you think it's wild that they want us to learn all these new pronouns?
You even said sis just now and you, like that's some new shit.
How do you think we feel?
I just always have grown up with real women, a real woman.
Or what's our slang for fish?
See, that's fish over there.
Wait, wait, what is that?
That's what we call.
That's what the gay community calls real women.
Now, what if she got an odor?
Well, that's, I think that's where the, I actually think that is where the,
the terminology fish derived from,
but that was before my time even,
so that's been going around
for years and years and years.
But I don't know.
I don't ask where that came from.
I don't even ask where the boys
wearing their pants up under their ass came from.
They say it's prison.
I don't know.
Taylor reject that.
That's a slur.
I would never call you a fish, Taylor.
I'm respectful to women.
So Flamin was talking to me about
there's a show called
Rupal's Drag Race, which is like one of the biggest
shows out.
It's a massively popular show.
It's been off like 27 seasons.
It's so many seasons.
and massively popular within the LGBTQ community.
And it's first of its kind in a lot of ways where it's like a show that's made for gay people.
It's not trying to explain gay people to straight people, but it's actually made to entertain gay people, right?
Which is great.
Which is great.
But Flame had some interesting points about that I never knew.
For example, he's very picky, or is it he?
Yeah, Repa Identity is a man.
Okay, so, yeah.
He does not allow transgender performers to audition for the show.
You can't have boobs and augmentation or anything like that.
Because you're not allowed to.
But you can do it after you tape, but you can't do it prior to.
That's not fair, is it?
Well, this is where we keep screaming for inclusion outside of our community,
but we don't have inclusion within our community.
And nobody will see us until we see us.
And we don't see us.
You know what?
I'm going to tell you something that's so interesting about that
because I thought about that when you said it earlier.
I never ever thought about the transgender, trans woman,
or just a trans struggle until,
tell Caitlin Jenna.
I never thought about it.
That was never a struggle.
But no, I'm just saying this.
That's when that whole conversation started for,
I guess, people that weren't in that community.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it was that.
It wasn't in your face.
It wasn't in my face.
And then it was about the laws in North Carolina.
Like, I was like, I remember even saying,
well, what were they doing before?
Yeah.
What were they using the bathroom at before?
This law or whatever.
I am so not caught up on the pronouns in the bathrooms.
When I got to pee, I'm going to pee.
That's male or female bathroom.
I go in the bathroom, take care of my business,
watch my hands and come to hell up out of
I'm not holding court.
And my joke is some days I use the male's bathroom.
Some days I use the female because some days I wear pants.
Some days I wear skirt.
Same process is going to happen.
I'm going to put my skirt up, put my pants down,
put my dick out, I'm pissing in the toilet.
Ladies, you know about being in your bathroom
because the player meets your little seat up there.
That's not fair, yo.
That's the equivalent of white privilege in a lot of ways.
Because what about them long,
them long fucking lines at the games?
And you're like, you know, fuck that.
This men's bathroom too long.
I'm going to women's.
That ain't fair.
But life ain't fair
If it was
You had a hat off
And would have had a hat tag
Because the queen was coming
You said you'll die
But the queen was coming
And you're disrespectful
Because you didn't get your hand cut
I want to see you at your hands
Some self
Now, come on with it
What else you got
I wanted you to see me in my realness
Have you ever
You don't want to see my realness
Yeah
Okay so have you ever
tried a
A transitioned vagina
Femin?
Oh hell no
Never once
I'm not attracted somebody like me.
Accidentally.
They got you.
I know what a pussy is.
I'm a connoisseur of the vagina.
Interesting.
It ain't going to smell the same.
Definitely enough.
I don't have one.
So before y'all start blasting me out.
Okay.
That wouldn't even interesting me.
Okay, because there was a question that we asked last, I think it was last week or maybe a couple weeks.
And that was, if you get a transition vagina, does it come with a hymen?
What?
No, I'm sure not.
I'm not sure.
Let me still.
Don't say that because you know they'd be up and on.
I don't know.
And I don't know.
And I don't want to know.
Right.
I'm attracted to the one that does what I needed to do when it's time.
Right.
I needed to juice and I needed to smell.
But because of the fair moment, in a way that attracts the man,
every man has a woman that has a certain smell.
There's always that one that will reel you in with smell.
You know she wants you.
My daddy used to say, if it smell like cologne, leave it alone.
If it smell like fish, you'd all you wish.
Really?
The daddy was old school like me.
I like it.
Have you ever had to fight a guy?
You see them hands?
I know, but I'm just saying like, I'm talking about in this.
Like, you in full Flaming Row.
What happened?
You should check my record.
I got some stories back in that.
Really?
I'm not into the whole.
I know gay bashing does happen.
But I don't kind of worry about that because I'm prepared.
I'm going to say that.
That's politically correct.
I'm prepared.
No, you look like you'll fuck somebody up, Flan.
No, I'm so nice and feminine.
You see the arms, no muscles.
Because that shit got to be wild to be a guy,
start some shit with you and then you beat them
the fuck up in the wig and the dress.
I have learned with this how to control
the narrative pretty much now.
But sometimes you just can't.
And sometimes you are in situations where you are just
in danger and fear for your life.
But then I'm asking myself,
would I rather be judged by 12 or carry by 6?
I'd rather be judged by 12.
You're not going to be around to tell us.
You're a nigga, yo.
You don't know what I can say 12.
You know how many killers I'd have heard say that?
That's an old school
I don't know what you're talking about
That's an old school
Gangston saying
I'd be carried by
Judge by talking
Carried by sin
And because I'm so comfortable with me
Charlemagne
That word you just say in flame
You're just in the game
I was in the comedy game
For so many years
19 years
The first eight nine years
The other male comedies
When you speak to me
I couldn't get no love
I couldn't get a fist bump
Because my security
Bothered their insecurity
I've been in the game
In 19, 20 years, there is now one male comedian that could say flame pushed up.
And this one, I was young and a monster.
The body was banging.
It was at six.
Wasteland was snatched.
Beautiful young skin lived as a woman.
No male comedian.
Now, I got a fucking list that I could drop and take some heads off.
What do you mean?
People try to hollered you?
Yeah.
Holla, baby.
I got some stories.
But what would it do for me to out them?
You understand what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Understand that you understand the consequences of when the trans girls out these men,
especially when they're professional athletes
when they have lives, livelihood.
For every black professional male
athlete that you see that made it to a team
is 50 that didn't.
So you're going to catch feelings for a trick
because that's all he is, it's a trick.
You're going to catch feelings for a trick
knowing he already got a wife,
he got kids, he has a family,
he can't be with you for Thanksgiving.
You knew that when you started dealing with this nigga.
My issue with the Queens is they always say,
well, he had a choice.
So did you.
The Queens had a choice.
If you want to deal with a man
that's going to hold your hand
and take you to the family barbecue and kiss you in the mouth,
good luck.
And when you're out,
then you're just fucking up your sex life.
It ain't even just that.
They used to be the ass.
They're taking a sobada here now.
Oh, man.
This is what I'm saying.
So you have to know that there is a choice in what you do.
There are consequences or repercussions to the shit that you do.
Interesting.
I'm old school queen.
Old school queens know to shut the fuck up.
In my Easterer voice,
shut the fuck up.
That's why, you know, when you was asking me about the Malig Yoba interview
with the trans women,
the reason I didn't push back on that
because I don't feel like it's my job
to understand what it is that they're experiencing
It's just my job to understand
They have the right to be who they are
And not be killed for it
But I was on you because Charlemagne
You go hard player
You do go hard
And I respect it
I actually like when you pull it up by the people
But I get
Nigger who you ain't here too
But when Malincanan was on here
I was mad at you because I'm like
I understand that she was confused
Because I was at home confused
But I'm like
You're giving this nigga
a past.
Ass is,
nigga,
do you hear what
you're saying to me?
You're saying
you like a beautiful
woman with a penis.
You're a man.
You're a straight man.
You don't know no
women with no fucking
penises?
That's the real
of the whole situation
right there.
Yeah, you're right.
You don't know no women
with no penis.
No, you're absolutely right.
That's some bullshit.
That's what I was saying.
If I could have called in,
I would have called.
Now here, let me break
the whole Malik down.
Malik called me
before he did this.
No.
I know Malik personally.
I do.
We were cool.
We were cool.
And y'all said Malik don't do it
He said Flamey I'm so shocked
I said Malik don't do it
Do you know who the first community
You gonna turn it on you is
He said who
The straight community
I say no
The trans girls
Guess what they did
Turned on him
He did
Turned on his ass
Why
That is what we do by nature
Don't ask me why
I got many stories
I'm not gonna tell
This right here
Yeah
This is a gold man
And this is a gold man of jewels
But this knows how to keep
The mouth closed
Even if you made me angry
and we had did something, you were a little celebrity.
What is it going to do for my career to put you on blast?
Even the woman who, I guess a cute.
What did he say?
A lot of people saying it was confusing.
No, they were saying the young girls came out and said that he was dating them when they were young.
Yes, and she called the radio station.
She called that day, and she was like highly, why would y'all put him on the air?
First community I told him that was going to turn on him was the trans community.
And they did.
And then who else?
Which is why I am who I am.
Because you think I care about them?
You know how much shit I get, but them holes no toe to toe.
We're going to have to go.
And you said y'all were cool.
Why y'all not cool no more?
Because I was not with his platform.
I never agree with what he was.
I said.
I said, you are confusing the youth.
You're not confused with me because, I know what you do.
But you're confusing the youth because you're telling me and you disrespecting women
because you keep saying you're attracted to a beautiful woman with a penis.
Ain't no fucking woman got no penis.
And you know the difference between a vagina and a penis.
You got a couple of baby mammas and a couple of kids.
Yeah.
So who you can feel?
Who are you trying to say that to?
Back to what I said.
They feel like that when they're with all this femininity,
they steal not with a man.
Right.
It's, it's, so you think that...
We just need this kind of realness, bro.
But no, this is interesting.
Well, maybe I can move to New York.
Come on with it.
I can do this every day.
So, so you think that Malik actually might be struggling with his homosexuality.
Struggling?
He's gay.
But see, that's when they confuse you, right?
Because your whole life, right?
You're taught that two men sleeping with each other is gay.
Same sexualation?
Thanks say you could suck two dicks.
Thanks say you could suck two dicks.
I was fucked up that I thought about the same thing.
When I said that, I thought about the same thing.
When you're mad.
You're gonna cancel.
I'm gonna cancel you now.
What day?
June 29th.
I'm July 14th.
Yep.
But it's crazy that we grew up their whole life thinking that.
Cancers can't go together.
It's way too much shit in the room with baby.
Uh-uh.
Really?
I'm about to bring another cancer in here in a minute.
My girl Bonon.
She's from South Africa.
Oh, because cancer can't go together.
Interesting.
Go on.
I didn't want to interrupt.
No, no, I'm just saying our whole life we were taught same-sex relations.
Yeah.
It's gay.
Yeah.
So now when you got people saying, no, it's not.
Or you got Malia Yo was saying he sleeps with women with penises.
It is very, it's not even confusing the kids.
It's confusing to everybody.
Here is my sexuality.
I like what I like.
Right.
That's it.
Right.
So if I want to do some penis, I'm allowed to do that because that's what I wanted to do.
Right.
Because I don't owe you no excuse.
And nobody knows what's going on in my bedroom unless I tell them.
Right.
Or your partner to tell them.
Chit.
their mouth.
Interesting.
I don't care what the presentation looks like.
You'll never know what's going on in private
unless somebody tells it.
Do you think that we'll get to a point where...
No, no, no, no.
This is interesting.
You think we get to a point where
we stop assuming that our sex life
is synonymous with our living life.
In other words, you know,
you could walk around in a dress,
in heels and all that kind of stuff.
But when it comes to home,
you might just want a traditional woman.
Oh, so now you're describing my life.
No, because you like,
male to female.
Yes, I do.
Or very butch lesbian, you said?
So what I'm saying is, like,
do you think we'll get to a point
where we go back?
We almost revert back to,
hey, what happens between the sheets,
that's your business,
and then outside the world,
do whatever the fuck you want to do.
Not with social media.
It's just too out there.
It's not with social media.
It's just ruined so much stuff.
As good as it is,
as great as it is,
it's detrimental.
People don't talk to each other anymore.
People don't talk to each other
and they don't give anything time to cook.
Meaning like something can go out,
everybody rushes to a conclusion, that becomes the narrative, and that's it.
And then when things come back around and you realize like, oh, I was wrong about that,
nobody wants to admit they wrong.
Nobody keeps that same energy when it comes to being fucking wrong.
If people could admit they were wrong on social media, social media would be fine.
Speaking of being wrong.
Vanessa Bell Calloway, I didn't want that to seem like I was doing a dig at you on that show the other day because, girl, I love you.
We started off Ruff, but we're great.
You're a fantastic mother, and you did a great job in Harriet.
Let me say that, because it looked like I was throwing.
Vanessa under the bus the other day, but I love Vanessa.
Give us some contact with the hell you're talking about.
What's going on?
I taped the Tammy Mac show, the Timmy Mac Fox show, and she was asking
me about Vanessa Bell Calloway, and we started off Rocky, but we
ended up being really cool, and I didn't clean that part up, so I don't want to say,
like, we, no, because as a mother, she's been, her daughters, phenomenal people.
Right.
She raised wonderful people.
Yeah.
And she was brilliant and hairy.
She's a great actor, so yeah.
We want to clean that up, girl.
All right, let's take a break from Flame real quick, and then we'll bring Benong in.
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Let me introduce my two cancer sisters in here right now.
Hey, it's a lot of crab love up in here right now.
I actually got to Chinchilla coach.
She better not laying down, man.
New York is called.
This is Flame is a comedian.
You can watch her on Netflix.
She has a- Wonderful.
She has a show called, she's on Tiffany Haddish's show.
Yes.
They ready.
Lovely.
And this is Bonang.
Motiba.
Where you from?
South Africa.
Hey.
Yeah, from Joe Burke.
Ooh.
Yeah.
I'm a TV girl.
Bonang does media in Joe Berg.
Yeah.
Started in the radio personality.
Okay.
personality. Now she got shows and books and lingerie and a great wine that I make.
I said you some of my wine. Oh, come on, baby. You look like you enjoy some wine?
No, no, I don't drink. You don't drink.
But I'll stupid you, but I really don't drink. But up until I was 45, I never had a desire to go to Africa.
But now I do. You have to come. It's gorgeous. You're going to have so much fun.
I never had that. And it's cheap. Well, not even that. I just, you know, in my spirit, I never felt like I, you know, I wanted to go.
But when I hit like 45, I'm like, I need to go to America.
You have to want to go.
Bonong, how would she be received in South Africa?
I'm not going to show up like this, first of all.
Well, you don't need it.
It's very warm in South Africa, so you're going to need it to chill.
I'm not going to even be dressed up.
I wouldn't even be in Drake.
I would just be my, yeah, I wouldn't be dressed up.
I mean, South Africans love guests, you know.
I think we are a very, we love, you know, visitors.
We love Americans, you know.
Yeah, I think we enjoy Cape Town.
I'm not even in Drake.
So if I wouldn't work and I would be walking around looking like a hobo.
Oh, well, we love hobos too.
Really?
I'm trying to believe.
Yeah, South Africa's very, I mean,
South African people, like I said yesterday,
they're just, you know, just very humble and chilled about most things.
My manager's sister, brother-in-law are South African.
I tell me, you're the only African-American, I know.
Plain, put your lips on the mic.
I know you haven't done it in a while, but come on.
Bring the mic to me.
Let me do my Gio Scott.
Shit!
Bonang, that's Andrew Schult.
That's my partner, I'm a brilliant idiot.
That cap is going to be.
very lucrative in a couple of years.
Why?
Because Barney's is closing down, no.
Really?
Yeah, that's why I like the hat.
Yeah.
You're going to sell it for a lot of money in a couple of years.
Well, if you're a fashion person.
Really?
Bonnies is closing down.
I like, but people would give a fuck about the hat in a couple years?
Of course.
It's like a birkin.
You know, you missed that whole thing.
That's a businessman working.
Do you hear that?
I'm listening to her.
I'm listening to her.
All about hats.
You know, I mean.
That's why she can wear chinchilla.
And I got on the thrift shop.
Coal girl, what am I doing wrong?
You still look cute.
You still look very cute.
Thank you.
I mean, you know, that's why supreme items are so expensive because supply and demand.
Yeah.
Demand is low.
Or the demand is going to be high because the supply is low.
Exactly.
No more there's.
Yeah.
Barney's closing down.
It's like quite a thing for fashion people because it's so iconic.
Yeah.
So you're from Johannesburg.
Yes.
Okay.
Remember when I was shouting out, I was pronouncing her name wrong.
I was saying bonang, but it's bonan.
Remember I was saluting her and saying how I follow her on Instagram and she's just
living, like life.
You can just tell, like, she's living her best fucking life.
Yes.
This is bono.
Yeah, this is me.
Okay.
It was nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
You know, I grew up watching all these, like, surfing videos.
Okay.
So, um, which is random coming in New York, but, uh, there's all these, like, iconic surf
spots that I want to go see in South Africa.
Jeffrey's Bay is the big one.
That's the big, that's the big, that's the big one.
Plattenberg Bay is another one.
Durbin, I think is another big surfing town.
But the thing with Jeffrey's Bay is like, there's all these great white shirt town.
Sharks.
Yes.
Is that something that you guys are concerned about when you're swimming that like of shark
attacks?
Uh, yeah.
Especially particularly in Cape Town around Musenburg.
There's a lot of sharks.
So you're on vacation with your family and you're just swimming in the ocean.
Yeah, of course.
It's Africa, darling.
There's animals everywhere.
Not everywhere.
I got to talk about that.
In the sea, there's animals.
If you go into the ocean, there'll be sharks.
Right.
Sharks are racist.
Sharks are racist.
Yeah, no, they don't bright black people.
Women, because they call.
themselves a great white. You always take little Billy
and little Jody and they're going to go to
the ocean because they're going to go
past my black children and bite the little white kids.
That's a fact. They don't bite, but they don't
like dark meat. So you tell me great white sharks
don't bite black people. Great white sharks like great white
folks, baby.
That's a joke, y'all. I'm sorry with your shit.
Let me put up my shades.
That might be true, though.
You never hear about black people.
There's no shark attacks. And they say
we don't swim. We do swim. We do swim.
He's just smart enough to take the little white kids.
The last shock attack was like three years ago and it was a white.
It's always a white person.
Why people do the crazy things?
They like go into like the sea and shit.
Like they do adventurous things.
They go up mountains and funny things.
I mean, no.
Yeah.
Why do you think we do that?
Why do you think we do all those crazy things?
Because you have money to do those things.
Yes.
But you have money.
You're not doing this crazy things.
You're not hiking.
Yeah.
Don't blame that on money.
They blame that on whiteness is bold.
Okay.
There's only one Steve Irwin for a reason.
See, Ronald was too white for white people
They're like, he's doing too much
Even we want to be like, great
They learn from him
Maybe you can tell me
I'm not white, I don't know
I think it has something to do with like
When life gets boring
We need to feel like
We have to survive
Okay, wonderful
You know?
Like I don't think that like
You know
There's parts of the world
Where people are really struggling
And I don't think they have the same
desire to skydive
Yeah
Right?
Because every day is the struggle
Every day is survival
It's like find water
find food, that survival.
But when life is too easy, you start getting bored and you're like, okay, I need to go
snowmobiling.
You know, I need to put myself in danger.
I need to, like, so many people go to Africa and they go on safari, right?
And like, they actually, they'll go hunt animals, right?
And it's like, I'm like, what is that about?
Why do you feel the need to, like, tap into your, like, primal roots?
And I was talking to buddy mind.
He was like, I really think that, like, these are like reward systems baked into our
humanity.
That's crazy.
You know, like, going out there.
Like, why are fewer worth, like, millions and millions of dollars?
you taking a gun in the middle of the forest and trying to shoot like a buffalo.
Maybe some people just like power.
Maybe some people just like overpowering, overpowering things.
And they can't overpower a person, so they go overpower an animal anymore.
But those people that can afford to do that are probably so powerful already.
They're like overpowering people.
It's got to be expensive to do that.
A private.
I'm sure it is.
I wouldn't really know.
You've never done that.
I've seen people.
We see people coming, I mean, all over the world, hunting.
Some places it's legal.
You know, there are people with licenses who are able to come into a game reserve and, you know, kill a giraffe and say, hey, take a picture and put it on Instagram.
But it is expensive, I'm sure.
Is it, is it annoying to answer, like, animal questions when you come to the States all the time?
Yes.
Well, don't walk around in Chinchillas.
You got a whole goddamn animal on you, Bonong, all right?
Don't walk around animals on you, then.
It feels lovely.
You know, in South Africa, since 1905, it's only been 248 unprovoked shark attacks.
Only.
Unprovoked.
How do you, I mean, isn't going in the water provoked?
Maybe if you're going in their fogwood, but you know how little that is?
248 since 1905.
Yeah.
So you have to come and surf in South Africa.
You won't get eaten by a shark.
No, I would love to.
You love it.
The water's warm.
The people are warm.
The food is great.
Yeah.
The weather's great.
You know, everything's just fine.
Okay, now another question I have, languages.
Yes.
Okay.
There's, obviously, everybody's speaking English.
There's 11 in South Africa.
This is wild.
I speak six and understand nine.
Okay, so you speak English.
Inference.
Afrikaans.
Now, Afrikaans is like a blend with, like, Dutch or something?
German, yeah, German Dutch, I think, I believe.
So it's got a lot of and phr, ira, steer.
Yes.
Yeah, it's like Arabic.
Yeah, yeah.
And what else?
Sistwana?
Sissotu, northern and southern Sissotu are two different languages.
The clicks.
Kasa, it's Kasa.
Say it again?
It's Kausa.
Can you click?
Oh, sir.
Oh, no.
Can you say Kauting?
Kauting?
That's easy.
That's easy.
That's easy.
It's Kausa.
At English, I was done.
Ta-a-a-ha-ha.
Now, did y'all ever get?
Yeah, so there's 11 official languages in South Africa.
But everybody unites usually around English?
English and Isizuulu.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Have you heard of Shaka Zul?
Of course, Shaka Zulu.
Yeah, everyone knows Shaka Zulu.
But you know why?
I love Americans.
I love Americans.
They make me laugh.
Every single person, right?
It's like, literally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Literally.
You're like, literally.
All the girls speak like that.
I'm like, literally.
All the white girls speak like that.
Literally?
Literally.
Yeah, it's so funny.
Unfortunately.
What?
Oh, don't do it, Salabay, don't do it.
Why do you think that we're like that?
Why do you think Americans have this?
I don't know.
It's a twang.
I don't know.
I guess it's just an accent.
But that's what makes life great, though, right?
What do you mean?
You have a New York accent.
I got kind of the down south list, I guess, a little New York.
You know what I mean?
Don't plan that on the South.
It's like here, right?
There are many dialects.
So just everyone speaks English.
Yeah, like you have different neighborhoods that are going to have different in different
actions, different areas.
But, but I,
do think that there's this kind of like universal, like literally isn't, is everywhere, right?
Like a girl in New York could say that.
So there's something cultural about America that like we have to, life is so good,
we have to like prove it's real.
Yeah, like literally.
Literally.
Literally.
Literally.
It's like literally.
And it's a donut.
Yeah.
No, really.
Really?
Really is definitely New York.
Why the fuck are we trying to convince each other?
For real though.
For real.
Get eyes.
Get eyes.
Go on.
Come on.
Go, go.
This is a great observation.
Why are we constantly trying to prove these things are really interesting?
Maybe because America, I think, on the low, America, know we kind of full of shit.
We do.
We kind of know we full of shit just a little bit.
Because the things that you're going to see, right, in South Africa, like, they require literally way more.
Like, literally a great white shark ate that white kid.
That needs a literal.
Literally.
Literally, it's 30 degrees out.
It does not.
Andrew, I'm going to tell you after all your sealer, all this black man's,
I'm looking at your patch, because I'm thinking it's a brother up under there.
Who?
I have a brother up under me?
That's a key to reason.
Flame, what would that make him if he had a brother up under him?
Is it too early for champagne?
Because you don't know.
Is it too early for champagne?
I'm like, let me look at his junk.
He might be more black shit.
I'd prefer you have a chill, but I mean, you can.
You want me to wait?
It might be a bit warm.
Put on ice for like 30 minutes.
Because I want you to enjoy it like.
But we might have to leave after 30.
Can we just try?
This is your own?
This is her own champagne.
Yeah.
Oh my good.
Same way Ho got ACE's spades.
Yeah.
Bonang got house of BNG.
B and G.
Yeah.
And that's for Bonang.
Yeah.
It's short for Bonang.
Maiden, Maiden bottle in Kicktime.
But I'm going to take you.
I'll take it to the vineyard.
Let's try.
Can I try it?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm going to order some anyway.
Oh, so you got some money if you're making champagne out here.
They told me yesterday during the breakfast club interview, I was too focused on Bolognaung's money.
So I'm going to act like I don't know she got it.
But I just do that because I like the business aspect of it.
I don't know what she's talking about.
I don't know.
I just like the fact that she's been able to build her brand.
Oh, you know, I've been slapped in the face with the coat before, huh?
You know, you know, towards the $1,000 of Canada.
That's how we are in Chicago, Bonnone.
What's the heck.
Well, no, you've been to Chicago?
I heard you.
You've been to Chicago?
No.
We like this in Chicago when the guns come out.
Where you are now?
Don't talk about my city, Charlemagne.
Oh, I forgot playing from Chicago.
Don't talk about my city player.
I've heard some very good things about Chicago.
Chicago is beautiful city.
Shit.
No, it is.
Downtown is.
She ain't going to be in the part.
Shit, they're coming downtown now.
I love Chicago.
I do like Chicago, especially down town.
And what would you say that is the best city in America?
Brownsville.
Let's say an African.
Brownsville.
Well, let's say it's a.
You can't put it on one because I love Virginia Beach, Virginia.
I love Chicago.
I love Long Beach. I live in Long Beach, California.
Not necessarily L.A., but Long Beach for just the neighborhoods of it all.
Okay.
Where's that?
Oh, I love Monterey, California.
Okay.
I love my...
So it's a beautiful place.
But I'm going to see I'm old school.
I like it slow and mellow.
I don't like the fast pace.
I did all that in my 20s.
Yeah.
I just love where this black people.
Like Atlanta, Georgia.
I really enjoyed.
I really, really enjoyed that.
I loved Miami, Florida.
I went there once.
That was fun.
I went to Dallas, Texas.
Dallas is amazing.
Dallas,
so hold on.
So you left Africa to find black people in America?
I feel more comfortable.
That was very racist.
You didn't say that.
No, I just said I feel good.
You could have saved your money on the flight.
I'm more comfortable around black people.
I think that's what I mean.
But I love, no, I just, I don't know.
I just sort of gravitated towards those.
I love the production of black people.
In Atlanta, that's why.
I love you see black people working.
Yeah.
So everywhere you see.
Everywhere you go.
Because Atlanta, at home, there's black people everywhere.
Yes.
It's the norm.
It's the norm.
Yes.
There's black people.
I love being around black people too.
Andrew's like the only white person I'd be around once a week.
I'm not sure if Andrew is all the way white.
I'm telling you.
Yeah.
I'm a nice.
I'm a white man.
I think it's the New York upbringing.
When you brought up in New York, I think your mindset is a little bit different.
See, I'm from down south.
So I know the type of white people that we want to avoid.
So is New York your favorite city?
In the world?
Yes.
In America.
I do love it.
In America it is.
In America, it is.
Salute, everybody, salute.
Oh, before you're a cup.
I don't have a cup.
Actually, I took a sip out of that.
I didn't know what Bonan was drinking.
I'm drinking.
But yeah, I think New York is amazing.
Obviously, I'm biased, you know, but there's places that are amazing to kind of, like, visit and just be in and just, like, fascinating to, like, look at.
Like, Tokyo is just a crazy different cultural experience.
You know, I wouldn't want to live there.
Japan.
Yeah.
Okay.
But it was just, like, it was just unique and wild.
But New York just provides some very interesting.
interesting things.
A guy like me,
I could grow up in New York
and be so close
to all these different cultures
to the point where
it's really not hard for me at all
to like sit down and talk
and relate to people.
Yeah, I got you.
It's not overwhelming, New York.
Yeah, it is.
But when you know.
Where are you going?
Say again?
Right?
The old people will run you over
along the street.
And her are you going.
Yes.
I'm like, where are you going?
They will run you over.
They do.
Yeah.
And I'm a big bitch.
It's hard on you.
You know,
the interesting thing about New York,
You realize that New York's not overwhelming when you realize nobody's really going anywhere.
They're not going on.
So all you got to do is walk your own pace.
You know how like if I was to take off running down that hall right now, people in the
hall would probably start running too, just because.
Yeah.
They're like, what the fuck is going on?
New York kind of feels like that.
It's like this rat race and everybody's running, ripping, and shit.
And you feel like you got a rip and run too, but no.
People are in a rush to get home to watch Netflix.
That's it.
It's the weird.
It's a series.
That's exactly what it is.
Episode number two.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Question.
It's a weird thing.
You're going to enjoy it.
I'm going to enjoy it.
I sat next to that fat bitch.
I'm going to watch it.
That's the first thing I'll watch when I get home.
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Question, Bonang.
When you hear the word culture in America, what do you think?
Culture.
Yes.
I think music.
I think.
I'm not going to be specific.
I think fashion.
I think
yeah, music and fashion.
Those are the two things I think about.
Because culture in Africa is different, right?
Yeah, culture, I mean, I would imagine
this is something that you're drawing from like thousands of years.
Let me maybe, when you say culture, what do you think?
That's what I'm asking you, because I know culture in America
means something different than it means.
I want to ask a question now.
Before you stop, I'm sorry, Shaman.
I want to cut you up.
I want to lose.
Yes, you did.
As a black woman from South Africa,
do you feel like the pride of women in South Africa
is stronger there than the black women here in America?
No.
No?
I think we're proud of different things.
I'm talking about internally as a woman.
I haven't met enough American women to make...
That might not be a bad thing.
Keisha from the Black baby!
You don't seem like a girl's girl.
Me?
Yeah, you know, you got a lot of homeboys.
I have both.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I have both.
But I vibe with anyone, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have a lot of homeboys.
I got a lot of homeboys.
I'm comfortable around a lot of people, so, yeah.
Because you're comfortable with yourself.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
What was it?
Cheers.
No, no.
In the language you were saying, oh, God.
Istosa.
In, Istosa.
Shaka, shit.
How do you say?
It's just cheers.
That's it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cheers.
Cheers is cheers around the world.
Yeah.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers, everybody.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Let me know what you.
you think?
No, me take it.
It's good.
Tasty.
Tasty.
Not bad.
I mean, I don't know anything
about campaign, but it's good.
You see how he did me?
He didn't even give me in.
You said you don't drink.
You said you don't drink.
Yo, Charlemagne.
You got to make up your goddamn mind.
You put ice in there.
Charleman, why you hate black women so much,
though?
I don't hate black women.
I hate flame.
Oh.
Oh, I love playing.
I love playing.
That's how you said
That's how you shut up
You fuck you
Fuck you
Nick's shit
I love Flynn
I'm a whole
nigga up
Under this wig
That's what my
Transcissus
gets so offended about
But when you
ever see the videos
When a man
Walk pet
Next to a tranny
On the street
And say
Oh that
What's up
What's up dude
The tranny
Go all back and forth
They banter
And go to
It snatching on wig off
And saying
I'm still a
motherfucker fucking man
I'm like
But bitch
Ain't that fuck
We are
About now
You should have
Just agreed to a bitch
Kevin Bush.
There was that video
where the dude was in GameStop.
He goes,
do I look like a woman?
Oh, he definitely did not
look like a woman.
This is kind of tasty.
What did this come in?
Is this the only flavor?
Brut rosé.
This is brute,
and there's a brood rosé.
There's only two.
What makes something brute?
I've seen that written on a...
Ooh, that's a cologne.
Brut.
That's my friend of a cologne.
That's old.
That's what I'm telling my age.
Brutin just means it's a type of MCC
That's all it means
It just means it's made like any other
We can't call it champagne, Charlemagne
Because it's not from
Champagne.
It has to be from the region of champagne in France
To be called champagne
Got you. Tequila too apparently
Has to be from Halisco, Mexico
And cognac has to be from cognac in France
Ah
Fuck the French
I don't have the stupid rules with that shit
It's a grape, get over it
Get over it
The grape, adds and bubbles.
You know, it's the same process, but we have to call it MCC, which means method cup classic.
But it's just made in the same way double fermentation.
How long did it take you to learn all this shit, bono?
Three and a half years.
Wow.
Yeah, but we only launched this in March 18th, 2019.
But it took us about four years to kind of get it to where we are drinking it in New York right now.
So you had to go through a whole process.
Of course.
Really?
Of course.
What was it?
Give us the background on that?
I mean, you need to, I mean, I'm new in the wine industry.
You know, I had to kind of figure out what wine is, learn a lot of
about wine, learn about the brand,
learn about the different
kinds of brands.
There are different grapes, you know,
different fermentation methods.
I had to get a wine master, you know,
and we put it together.
And the rest is history, I guess.
I hate champagne.
This is ex-stasy.
Thank you very much.
Why don't you like,
you don't drink at all?
I'm going to make a non-alcoholic flame.
Malibu rum for my birthday last year.
I bet you got to fight too.
No, I did not.
I get made love to.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I want to make a non-alcoholic version.
I'll send you one.
Yeah, yeah.
But this is actually tasty.
Thank you very much.
And it's smooth.
It's not like, it's like, oh, okay.
Easy drink.
Benang.
I have a question.
Bonang, sorry.
How old is called it B?
32.
Can I ask you?
Okay, B 32.
So.
I used to be 32.
It's a great age.
It's a great age.
Very big age.
How were you when you were 32?
The body was so banging.
Oh, you're still banging out.
No, no, no.
I used to be a damn piece.
I'm full on hairyy telling me right now.
What's wrong with Harriet?
Now listen, I don't like that.
Harry was stressed out, flame.
Harry was stressed out because if Harry was stressed out,
she wouldn't have kept going back.
Harry was gangster and determined.
That's what she was.
She definitely wasn't stressed out.
Because I'm the bitch that would have got away
and be like, they on their own shit.
I refuse to believe Harriet was out of shape.
I refused to believe that.
She couldn't be.
She was running a whole damn.
Exactly.
I don't like the way to be.
depicting Harriet in the movie. There's no way, man.
Harriet had to be like a track body.
I'm serious.
I don't think Harry looked like no woman either.
I think Harry was fooling people. She might
have been the first original F to M.
They might have thought Harry was a little dick.
All right. Okay.
It worked.
It worked. Okay, so let's revisit
that Harriet thing before we go on.
You know we have to get credit to white people because
black folks didn't own nothing. They're in for real.
White folks helped us.
White folks helped.
I thought you was going to freak it with the Harriet Tubman.
No, no, no. I love the story of Harriet Tubman.
I just saw the movie.
The movie was not about slavery.
The movie was about sheer determination and will.
It really was.
And Vanessa El-Celler-Wa did kill it.
But white folks had to help us.
They had to help us.
They own boats and houses to hire us and move.
So I would like for somebody to show that angle of it.
Well, that's always the misconception that white allies are new.
That's a good white folks.
But there's a different white allies and white saviors.
A lot of times what Hollywood likes to do is they like to present white
saviors instead of white
allies. Fuck Hollywood.
Like, stop getting your history from Hollywood.
I think that's the biggest problem.
That's the fact. You want to really know what happened.
Don't be so lazy that you're condensing your whole history into like a two-hour
depiction of this movie.
Like read a fucking book or just Google some shit.
It's not that hard.
It works when it's done right, though.
Because, yo, what it does is it like taps into an emotion, right?
They like, they really find a way to manipulate us and like, and they do that savior thing.
And then, you know, white people will go watch the movie.
and we'll be like, man, it was really amazing
what happened in Friday Night Lights
or what amazing happened in these situations.
For sure.
But reality is, like, you don't need to get your information from there.
It's not their responsibility.
I hate to say it.
It's not Hollywood's responsibility.
Andrew, you're absolutely right.
But I hate to say, that is how majority of people learn.
They learn through arts and entertainment,
especially in America.
Is that the case in South Africa?
Like, so here's a great question.
When you're teaching the history of South Africa,
like when you're growing up and learning history in school,
how much of it is the fuck?
up history of South Africa?
Or is there like a real effort to go, hey, this part happened, but look at all the
amazing strides that we've made since then?
I think everybody knows the history of South Africa.
Well, it's taught in school, in history, you know, in primary school and high school.
We know pre-1994.
We know Nassau Mandela.
We know what happened during apartheid, what happened after apartheid.
So we know all about it.
I mean, we know how South Africa is what it is today.
So do they teach black history in schools here?
No, most of all, I'm stuck on the fact that I'm pronouncing apartheid wrong this whole
Me too.
You made that shit sound like a dish.
That shit sounded tasty.
A part-tee?
Would you like some of a pot-in?
That shit sounded delicious.
No.
You can't say that.
Do it.
You?
Wow.
It's a past date.
What is it?
A birthday.
Oh, my God.
That comes after dinner.
How do you function?
I'm only here today, girl.
I'm going to have all this.
There's too much for me.
So you go to say?
No, but the answer to your question, they teach, it's limited black.
Okay.
All right.
Like, we're not learning about, like, we're not really learning about apartheid.
In America, we definitely learned it like...
I'm saying black American history.
We know that black people invented peanut butter.
That's about it.
Okay.
That is not true.
You learned that.
Well, in all schools.
On black history mode.
It's sort of like, you know, call up.
We do.
We do.
We do.
George Washington invented peanut butter.
Like, George Washington.
George Washington.
George Washington.
They said, Carver.
Carver.
Yeah, that's George Washington, that guy.
He did everything.
You need the first president?
You chopped out a cherry tree?
You made peanut butter?
You know, the cherries with a jelly.
He needs some of the carrot.
Whoa.
Hey, bro.
That's how the sandwiches get made, dude.
That's George Washington.
But they teach us limited things.
Like, they might teach us about Martin Luther King Jr.
Okay.
You're not going to learn about Malcolm X.
Depending where you are, you'll learn about Frederick Douglass.
For whatever reason, D.C. teaches about Frederick Douglass a lot.
Okay.
I'm from Charlton, Zalk, Carolina, so I learned about Denmark.
BC growing up because his
house was actually downtown Charleston.
So I just think it's a matter of location, but overall,
I'm asking, do they teach you about, you know, black African?
No.
Okay.
No way.
All right.
No.
Like Nelson Mandela.
No.
We learn about Nelson Mandela through movies.
Okay.
I think that's what you mean.
Like, why is it, I mean, what other toys do people have?
Yeah.
The story is so fascinating.
Yeah.
Right.
So we'll learn about it.
But it's very rare that.
Well, Taylor is saying you got to go to college.
I didn't go to college.
I'm not the part of African history.
But you have to choose to learn it.
It's not compulsory.
But we kind of, it's an odd thing because I didn't realize it until when I was living in Spain and my roommate was from Cameroon.
And I didn't realize that I looked at Africa at 21 years old as a country instead of 100 countries.
Yeah.
Right?
So like in that moment, he was like, yeah, you have to realize.
And each country is full of different tribes because we didn't even carve up the map.
White people did.
So each country has its own.
people and its own president and its own systems and its own culture.
But even within the country,
there's multiple cultures and their tribal.
Let me tell you something.
Yeah.
For instance, I'm Tijuana from the Tijuana culture, right?
Suana,
Kimu Tijuana from Bapong,
which means a Murulong.
And under the Tijuana culture,
we have kings.
So there's Bafukeng tribe,
Barolong tribe,
Batsipin tribe,
and each of those tribes has a chief.
So let's talk about Bafuang, right?
Their chief is chief.
they live in Pocaying, right?
And they own all the platinum mines.
In Bapong, Moroong, they live in Bapong.
We have our own chief.
And then the Zulu people also now that Zulu's Zulu culture, Shaka Zulu was a Zulu king.
Yeah.
And each, so each, I mean.
First person to do white face.
Okay.
I had to think about it.
He didn't do white face.
He's wrong.
Okay.
Anyway, yeah.
So you all right.
In each tribe, there's.
like can be seven other sub-tribes.
Right. Yeah.
And they'll have some sort of rights to that business, like for the minds.
If you're just part of that.
Yes. So let's say in the Bufu Keng tribe.
Yeah.
The chief in Peking since all the kids who are born in Bufu Keng, in Puking, to university.
Really?
If you are born in the, if you're a child from that tribe.
Because they own all the platinumized.
They're the richest tribe in Africa.
Yeah.
And then you have monarchies like Swaziland that has an.
active king. And then
in the Zulu tribe
as well in South African, Guazulu Natal
in Durban has an active king as well.
So there's an active king that operates
within a democratically elected government.
So do the people of that region tend to vote based on
how the kingdom wants to vote?
Ah, so this is... We're experiencing that here
right now. We have an active king in the Whitehap.
That's what he thinks he is.
He's a king. He's about to get the throne.
I saw that this morning on...
We're up again.
But yeah, I think it's interesting.
It's like we kind of gravitate and vacillate towards that.
We like we're so democratic and so free thinking.
But it's not really.
It's like your parents kind of tell you what your politics are and then you kind of lean into those politics,
which is similar to like a tribal system.
Only there's like a cultural, I guess, attached to this.
But I think it's different in America because it's more than one tribe.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
Whereas you're born into that and that's the tribe.
Yeah, but it's more than one.
So therefore it's always still a still of democracy, right?
Yes.
But I guess here, I guess you don't have a choice to jump ship with another tribe.
You can do whatever you want.
If you marry into like a man from another tribe, you become part of that tribe.
Now, what if the man wants to become part of your tribe and he marries into you?
Traditionally, he can't.
A man is a man.
Interesting.
What if your tribe are more popping tribe, though?
And I want to be like, well, man.
Then you need to marry good then.
Marry rights.
You know, marry properly.
That is one thing that should change.
Well, I'm not married.
This is called a stop nonsense flame.
Let me tell you.
Well, you don't want these.
guys to talk to you.
I'm just like,
please, I'm here to work.
I'm in America.
The ring is the least of the day
when you're fucking crazy.
You're acting
get so strong.
You turn to Prince Hakeep.
The ring is the least in
America.
You ain't saying that South Africa
that you've been here.
That ain't going to stay up away, girl.
The ring can't go
to stay away.
Shit.
They might catch me on one of them.
Hello.
I need to use your family.
You left that one over, girl.
I had to slide on
When the last time you had to use that ringbone?
Um, I don't know.
When was it?
Last night.
Where would you at?
I can't tell you.
We got a good story.
We go on your Instagram.
This is a lot of time.
Where were you?
Because your African accent and your beautiful black woman,
are more white men attracted you than black men?
It's so funny.
Like in Europe, in Europe men love, the European
men love like African women
like very dark African women.
Here, no one really
says much, you know, but they do
hollah, they're very confidence. Well, that's because people don't
talk to each other here. No, I'm going to say what it is.
That goddamn fur and all that goddamn jewelry
and them expensive-ass bags and that
designer phone case, Joddy Orr, whatever that is.
They feel like you out of their lead.
They're like, look, it's a random Thursday.
Might be intimidated. At 11 a.m. and she got on a
full chinchilla. And I actually
have to go, by the way.
What are you got on now?
You have a date.
I just like to know what Bonang is doing
because I am really impressed by the brand
that you have built.
I have a meeting now.
I'm going to use this because it's a bit hot in here.
Oh, you're fine.
I'm going to give you one before you leave.
Thank you.
I actually really liked us.
Is this you?
Is this you?
Yeah.
You do know why it's hot in here.
You do know what I do.
Why is it hot in here?
Because she got on a goddamn chinchilla.
That's a great point.
And a turtle net.
You broke it down the business.
It's cold.
It's very cold.
I have a meeting
like now at midday with pencils of promise
Do you know pencils of promise?
It's an organization that builds
schools in Africa.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, you know, one of the ones like that.
We need it.
It's none of a choice.
Okay.
What do you mean?
Do we like it?
Because that seems like the go-to for like Westerners.
They're like, all right, if I want to be a good person.
No school in Africa.
Well, we don't like it.
But unfortunately, we do need it.
I'm going to take that because it's going to make this annoying sound.
Because we do need it.
Fan of it.
So you need it.
So you're going to.
Fan the queen, Andrew.
That would be over here, but my tribe doesn't know.
Listen, you colonizer.
Fan the queen.
I got a queen, bro.
And I don't fan hurt.
That is bad.
I like that.
So.
But, okay, so is it something where you're like, okay, we need it, so we'll accept it?
Because I know that there's a lot of pride there as well.
So there might be part of it.
There is pride, obviously.
It's not a good thing.
It's not a, a, it's not a, a,
nice thing that, you know, our continent needs
all this help, but that's just what it is.
You know, we need schools, we need water,
we need infrastructure, we need resources,
and we need to get girls into schools. So part of
my mission to be here is to build
schools and get my girls into school. I agree with you.
That's wild, though, because Africa has wealth.
Like, you have people in Africa with wealth, so why
can't it just be done?
That's another conversation for another day. It's just like
the wealth is going to the wrong people and the people with the wealth
are not doing the right things for the girls
and everybody else. You know what? It's an interesting one
because Charlemann had brought this up on a past
episode about the Caribbean, but I think it's true in a lot of parts of Africa.
They're like China is really making a big move into Africa.
It has already.
They own a lot of infrastructure.
They, you know, because they give money to a lot of African countries, so they end up
owning a lot of things in Africa.
And then when you own those minds, you own the natural wealth.
How can a country ever get up from under that?
Exactly.
Wow.
I would say it's fucked up, but that's kind of the American model.
Yeah.
It is fucked up.
It is.
It is.
Yeah.
It is fucked up.
So then what do you do?
So colonized and ain't just limited
to American white people basically.
No.
Europeans.
I mean, everybody is colonized.
Right.
I mean,
there's,
I mean,
the tribal warfare,
I imagine in Africa
has existed in that capacity,
right?
It's like there's a shift of space
and a shift of resources
and war.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Parts of,
you know,
I can't speak for all of Africa
because there's a war in,
you know,
the parts of Africa that,
I mean,
in Rwanda,
there's so many things
that are happening.
So I can only speak about
South Africa.
Yeah,
I think it's safer for me to do that.
Yeah.
But, you know, there are things in South Africa that we need.
You know, sanitation, health, hygiene, so many things, roads.
I mean, 26% of South Africans are unemployed.
Do you know what's interesting?
It's like, we have this view of South Africa, I think, in America.
Like, South Africa is the first world.
It's just like New York.
It's just like America.
It's just like London or something like that.
It's not different.
I think because they're parts of it there are, right?
Yeah.
In a lot of ways, I think it's almost overlooked in comparison to other places.
Oh, because you think it's so developed?
Yeah, we're like, oh, no, I should say Trevor.
Hey, Trevor knows from there.
He always tells me how dope it is.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, we do.
We do.
We do.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So maybe it's almost to its detriment.
Like, we need more people to go.
We do.
We need a, we need, okay, this is what South Africa needs.
We need better PR, number one.
I think Africa in general.
I think the, the-
That's the PR man right there.
But that's only because I've been there.
That's the PR men.
The misconceptions around Africa need to change.
Talk to this man right here.
This guy can spin.
anything.
No, I don't know.
It's not about
Spitz.
All I do is
I find the best
Yeah.
Like Bonong.
Yeah.
Like Flynn.
It's not from South Africa.
Bonong.
No, but the best.
Oh.
I'm on South Africa.
This is not the best of Chicago.
You know what the best of Chicago is?
Who?
Chief fucking Keith.
All right.
I take Bonong.
That's the one who walk around
with his pants hanging up on this,
but he is the best.
Chief Cheeks.
Chief Cheeks.
Asking for a
friend.
No, but you take somebody like Bonong, I meet Bonong, I see how her country gravitates
towards her, which is insane because there's nobody that gets like a mass majority
of love, right?
Yeah.
But if you go look at her, go look at her, go look at her YouTube, go look at her
Instagram, unless she's filtering her comments.
Yeah.
People really love her.
They love her.
That's why I'm going to give you a fan because I want you put your fan on your page.
Can no bits do what I do?
And this is scary.
Thank you.
So this is the PR.
The PR is just giving her a platform.
And that's why I'm here.
That's why I have, you know, these important meetings.
Part of it is glitz and glamour, but also you are given these platforms to kind of do something about it.
You know, I'm a global citizen ambassador, Africa ambassador.
Right.
I have a nursery back home, the Bonang Matababasuri Fund that actually, I give.
What's a nursery for us?
It's a scholarship.
Got you, got you.
Okay.
So I send 10 girls to university every year.
We choose 10 girls.
And we pay for their tuition to they do an complete an undergraduate.
At the end of the undergraduate degree,
have to plow back into the community.
So that's the plan.
We've educated about 25 girls.
The aim is by 300 that we can say, well, 2030 sent 300 girls to school.
But now, you know, if I'm here, I can get money.
We need, you know, I want to build a school back home.
There are schools that need desks and water and, you know, small things, like even a running toilet.
Right.
Yeah.
I would help you do that.
I would help you open the school.
Okay.
Cool.
I'm glad.
You make me feel like my little scholarship funding and shit.
What?
No.
No.
I did buy some backpacks.
I need to find a nice guy.
What do you find them?
Yes,
I would love to have children.
I'm cancerian.
I'm a mother at heart,
very nurturing,
very loving.
Just listen to you speak
and how your addiction is
and just how hearing you are.
Do you know any nice guys?
To be a good mother playing.
First of all,
just a good dick to be a good mother.
Don't get it twisted.
First of all.
The addiction comes out.
Take a good mother.
It takes a good mother.
a good dick gonna plan to see.
Facts.
I know what I'm saying.
Stop to listen to that champagne get to.
I'm trying to.
I'm having a nigga cheat before I leave here.
Oh, Wendy Williams over here in a minute.
How you do?
I started having flashback.
I'm going to have most of a day.
It's gone.
Oh, my God.
We drink all that.
You ain't going to go.
You don't have to stop hanging out.
I'm going anywhere.
We drink it all, Bono.
Okay, it's fine.
Listen, I will help you open a school in South Africa.
When we're doing that.
I will let you know after my meeting
I really love as much help as possible
I'm dead serious
What is the day to open up a school?
How much money are we talking?
About 50,000 US dollars?
50,000?
Yeah.
Shala!
I got $4,000.
We're spending $50,000 on Jansports
you could be open to schools, bro.
It's $50,000?
Mm-hmm.
I just started, I started a scholarship fund last month.
And Oprah only opened two?
She opened the Oprah Winfrey Academy for Girls,
which is a massive on its own private institution.
Oh, okay.
probably cost a lot more to build.
Oh, no, it's a lot more, yeah.
It's a whole, you know, school with a dormitium.
Campus.
Yeah, no, it's a campus.
No, okay.
It's in South Africa.
It's absolutely amazing.
I mean, she sends all the girls to college in America.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
And then they come back there.
And then they either work here or they come back home.
It depends.
But you always, yeah.
I launched the scholarship fund last month at my mama's alma.
Really?
Yeah, South Carolina State University.
It's the HBCU.
So how does it work?
Well, I gave them a quarter million dollars.
And the scholarships go.
to black women in South Carolina who major in English,
something in the mental health space are communications.
Because my mother was a teacher.
She's a teacher.
So her major is English.
I'm radio and TV.
So that's communications.
And then I'm big on, you know, people being mentally healthy.
Mental health is very important.
So if a school is 50 grand in Africa, bro.
What are we waiting on to open up B&C Academy?
Oh, now.
This is a promise.
Yeah.
Let's get PIC Academy.
Yeah.
I agree.
We can absolutely do it.
You know, and we can name it off to you.
No, B and C, no.
Listen.
I would say cancer school, but that would be good.
No, that doesn't sound very positive.
A cancer school.
No, no, no, no.
Before you take money from a black man who in America,
you get to make sure you know all about the side hustle.
The what?
The side hustle.
There's going to be some side effects.
Oh, yeah.
Flame.
I am a faithful black man.
Stop that shit, flame.
This is my girl.
We're going.
We're going.
Come on.
She's saving me.
I love my wife.
Okay.
You know how many niggas love their wife?
Been at my house.
With that ring on and the baby seat in the backseat,
you know, not that off.
You don't know who you fucking with.
They say if you like it, you should have put a ring on.
I didn't put no ring on it, but I damn show left one around it.
Y'all, I don't get in.
That much champagne, I'm getting loose.
No, I fuck a bono.
Oh, God.
I believe that you don't.
Thank you.
I'm inspired.
I really am inspired.
Thank you.
I truly believe that you don't meet anybody.
For no reason.
Yes.
I met Bonang in South Africa.
Yes.
Randomly.
She said I was sitting outside.
I wasn't sitting outside.
No, I made him at the global citizen concert.
He wasn't sitting outside.
I didn't say that.
I said you were sitting outside.
It was like this studio set up.
Me and my daughter were sitting outside.
I just don't like to be cramped up in the studio.
Plus, I don't like, there's too many white people in there.
That's I was sitting outside.
And so I was just sitting there.
Plus, everybody kept coming through there.
So it was like Oprah pulled up and Tyler Perry and Paul.
People were pulling up.
The people were pulling up, so I was just sitting outside.
And then I saw her and I was like, is that Beyonce?
Because that's how they were acting.
That's how they pulled up.
It's crazy for you back there?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Trevor Noah.
I mean, Trevor Noah and I were hosting the Global Citizen concert.
Oh, wow.
And he introduced me on stage.
And it was like, gosh.
Superstar.
Yeah.
Really?
Absolutely.
So he's just outside.
Not just, not out in a bad space.
But you felt the need to, like, bring him in or protect him or.
Who was this hobo?
Why does everyone say this about you, Shalemate?
DJ Envy said the same thing like,
oh, yeah, you're some little show man.
I thought I didn't say that for him.
Oh, my God.
Were you familiar with him?
Yes, we know who Shaleman is in South Africa.
He's pretty popular out there.
Yes, yes, yes, he's popular.
He's pretty popular here, too.
Especially in my community, too.
I heard.
He's very popular.
Yeah. Wendy loves Chalameh.
Yeah. How I, how we know him is like, well, we get the Wendy Williams show in South Africa and she talks a lot about him.
But also, we, we watch a lot of the breakfast show as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Because, yeah, that's just.
So if I came like this, you think I could pass a Wendy.
How you do it?
Yes, yes.
They'll think I'm big Wendy.
You're going to put the picture with playing.
See, I could do that, but they'll say I'll be so shady.
I'll be a little bit of Suzanne.
Do I put the picture of flame and be like, me and Wendy.
Oh, no.
I don't know.
I don't know.
She don't never know.
That white rich don't never know.
You'll enjoy.
Is it, is it, Charlie, is it crazy to go to another continent and then be embraced by people in a place where your show doesn't even exist?
It's very hard on radio?
It actually does exist.
On radio?
No, we will watch it on YouTube.
That's what we learned.
I mean, that's what, like, you know, when I would go on tour internationally and I have people come out, they'd be, oh, yeah, I found you guys.
you know, from YouTube.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, but seeing that,
seeing that in another country
and being a celebrity in another country,
was that, was that weird for you?
It's just humbling.
It's very humbling and it lets you know
just to power your platform.
And it makes you not want to misuse
your platform in any way you're performing
because you're not just affecting people
where you're from.
You're affected people all across the world
and you might be a representation
for, you know, where you're from
for people all across the world.
And you know what I find as well with American artists,
It's like sort of a, it's like a wow.
They recognize me in South Africa
because I was watching the Travis Scott documentary on Netflix.
Travis Scott, the drummer.
No, man, the rap.
Look, Mom, I can fly.
Kylie Jenner's baby daddy way.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, that guy, Trevor Scott.
Take on the accent to everybody you're talking about.
Kylie Jena's baby daddy age town.
That's how my age time accent.
That's a son of thing.
But anyway, you know, Travis Scott.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He had a piece in his documentary.
Travis Barker is who I'm thinking of it.
Oh, and he was saying exactly what she was saying,
that you, it's like a, South Africa is so far, right?
Yeah.
Right?
And it's just like you can, you don't expect your work or your, whatever you do,
to reach that part of.
And I find it very humbling for Americans, especially,
black Americans, when they come to South Africa.
It's like, oh, they know who I am.
But we actually really do.
Yeah, my dumb ass went to the mall.
Yeah, you were walking around.
I took me and my wife and daughter went to Nelson Mandela Square Mall.
And I was like, what the fuck is happening?
Shut it down?
I'm not shut it down, but it was like, whoa.
Yeah.
We know everyone.
Yeah.
Is it, we know him.
We know everyone.
Is it odd for, like, for you as a South African to experience this kind of like
new embracing of African roots?
Yes.
You mean in America?
In America.
In America when we were growing up, I don't know if there was the same like love or
affection or interest in the African roots.
And now it seems like it's really part of like mainstream black culture where is this like,
I want to see where 23 and me.
I want to see where I'm from and what I am.
Because back to where you were saying,
unfortunately it's because of Hollywood,
Black Panther, the Lion King,
Beyonce going to Africa,
putting the soundtrack together for the Lion King
and using African artists.
Oh, yeah.
That's where the wave is coming from.
I'm older than all of y'all.
Yeah.
It's always been there.
Well, now I'm sorry, Flame.
He's flurring.
But Flame remembers.
I'm sure Flame remembers this.
the brothers with the African medallions on.
You know what I'm saying?
Movies like Chakazulu.
It's always been a back-to-Africa aesthetic
about our community.
Even if you watch a movie like Belly,
Nas and Teabazz and Teabazz and was doing that terrible acting
and she was like, Africa, that's far.
You know, when Nas was like, I'm going to go move back to Africa,
it's like Africa, that's far.
Like, like, it's always been a thing about Africa.
But Black Panther, definitely, I think.
Put it up there.
Oh, absolutely.
Put it way up there.
It really did.
Because it made for the first time African
culture chic and cool.
Yes.
And refined and rich.
Yes.
And powerful.
Which is everything we are.
We have vibranium, but it's just like another version of it, you know?
Yeah.
All those things, the fashion, the people, the jewelry, the pulse, you know, the heartbeat, the soul.
We are that.
But I'm grateful that it's, you know, finding its way into mainstream America.
I think Americans love fresh things, you know, fresh content.
They're always looking for different ways to.
to inspire their work.
And I think Africa's untapped.
What is the vibranium in Africa?
The platinum mines.
Platinum mines.
We have lots of diamonds in South Africa,
rich in oil in Nigeria.
But you were saying, you know,
the money goes to the wrong people.
But Africa is very, very rich in...
With the diamond mines,
is that true?
They have a key, it's fine.
I mean, if they catch you steel
and they cut off your hand or something like that.
Not cut off your hand,
but you have to register any diamond
or any piece of metal.
What if you get constant?
Really?
Hey, you go to jail.
Oh, at least you go to jail.
You'll lose a limb.
What about President Obama, his Kenyan roots?
Did that have anything?
Yes, we love him.
He's come to South Africa.
Yeah, oh, we love them.
Michelle has come to South Africa many, many times to have talks.
She was there a couple of months ago, actually.
It was a big moment for Africans, you know, the Barack Obama, I think, for any black person.
It resonated with a lot of us.
There was something very, and he was there when Nelson Mandela passed away.
He was there when our mama
Weenie passed away, I believe.
I think he came back.
So he is a big love of South Africa too.
He loves South Africa.
I love South Africa.
When you see success stories in America of black people,
is it something that like you're used to by now
or is it something that's expected?
When you see somebody come from nothing
and then become a millionaire,
is that inspiring?
Very inspiring.
That's why I try.
Trevor Noah is like our national treasure.
Right.
Charlize Stheon is our national treasure because our country is so new, right?
Right. It's impossible to think there are so many, there are so many under South African stories.
But it is a...
And what about Black American stories?
Like when you see a guy, even like Charlemagne or you see a guy like Jay-Z or like Diddy, like guys who maybe haven't come from a lot and then they come to hit this like...
Absolutely.
Is that inspirational?
Absolutely.
I think, you know, black people will root for it.
black people.
Right.
Yeah.
And we,
there's something about
when a black person wins
is like, yeah, you know.
Burner Boy's mom said something
very important at the,
um,
was it the BET Awards when he,
she accepted his,
he said,
I want every black person to know that before they're anything.
They are African.
That was great.
There's,
Alex,
Alex does all the video production for the show.
He said something very interesting.
Well,
he,
he was talking about,
we were talking about like
what it's like being black.
And like we were talking about, I think it was maybe the use of the N-word or something like that and like why maybe people in other countries that are black can still use it, even though they have an experience like the American oppression where it was derived from.
And then he goes, the black experience globally is very similar, meaning being a black person in Germany is not that different than being the black person in America, et cetera.
So hearing you go, like, you are black first and this, like you want to see other black people win.
It kind of put that in perspective for me.
And it's just cool to see you root for someone in another country because you feel like you understand what they might have gone through to get there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we use them for, you know, as a point of reference for many, many, many, many things.
I mean, America is, well, not even America, just black Americans in general.
You come here, the best of the best.
And if you can be the best of the best, amongst the best of the best, it's like, are you kidding me?
Yeah, you have to celebrate that.
And that dispels a lot of false stereotypes and false.
narratives, right? Because for so long, I didn't even know, I thought Africans didn't refer to themselves as black.
But I hear your whole generation refer to yourself as a black person, which is refreshing to me.
We are very black.
And you don't be acting like you didn't know what that was. You go to the movies. You know they always kill the black person first time.
Thank you.
White people say that too. We know they're going to be in the next one.
You're going to have a look at long as life.
I'm just keeping it.
Oh, you're so funny.
has to go because he has a meeting.
And I don't want Bonan to be late because I don't want the white people that she's going to be.
Yes, please.
To say things like, Jesus Christ, you black people from Africa are always late too.
African time.
So it'll go from CP time to African time.
Okay?
Bonang, give me your Instagrams and Twitter and all that good stuff.
Let's at Bonang underscore M on Twitter and on Instagram and on Facebook.
And Bonangmatibah.com and house of b andg.g.com.
Flame, give me yours again.
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