The Brilliant Idiots - Che Pride Month (Ft. Michael Che)

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

This week the brilliant idiots charlamagne and Andrew Schulz were joined by comedian Michael Che. During the episode they spoke about the comedian perspective and the different levels of comedic relief. Also, they speak on some trending topics such as Lori Harvey and Michael b Jordan breaking up, the passing of rapper trouble and somehow get into a discussion about the love for prostitution. Next they end the show with a few ask an idiots, where we learn Michael Che’s real thoughts on SNL. ********************************************************** Check out Andrew Schulz www.theandrewschulz.com Stream Charlamagne "Hell of a Week" on Paramount Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" https://www.blackeffect.com/ Empty Thoughts Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-zRsExS9E0VBmwb9Cekdug/featured https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/empty-thoughts-show/id1622292632 Empty Thoughts IG/Tik Tok https://www.instagram.com/emptythoughtsshow/ https://www.tiktok.com/discover/empty-thought-show Check Out "Summer Of 85" on Audible www.audible.com/pd/Summer-of-85-A…areTest=TestShare Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Brilliant Idiots Podcasts. Yep, Shalameenigott. Andrew Shultz. We are the Brilliant Idiot's podcast. and today's guest is an American stand-up comedian, actor, and writer. He's best known for his work on SNL, where he serves as Co-Inker on Weekend Update and co-head writer alongside Colin Joss. He also co-hosted the 70th Primetime Emmy Awards in 2018.

He was briefly a correspondent for The Daily Show with John Stewart and has previously worked on a writer for Saturday Night Live. I think I already said that. At the end of September 2014, he became a weekend update co-hinker for the 40th season of SNL alongside Colin Jost, replacing Cicely Strong. I think I pronounced her name right. Michael Jay is hit. Yay!

The full bio! Oh, that's the better. Oh, that's the same one at this race. Yeah, that's good. You got it, man. Shout out to Sicily. They didn't have none of his old endorsements like most people's bios do. I know.

That's actually probably recent, man, because I've had some awful, awful, awful ones. Bios? Yeah. Okay. Just shit that's like, I don't even know what. Bring that Mike a little closer. You put the mic a little closer to your lips, pause. Oh, my bad.

There you go. Yeah, yeah. Listen, Michael, I'm going to tell you something, man, I really, really, really, really slept on your TV show. Yo, boy, y'all, thank you for doing it, by the way. And by I slept on it, I didn't see it until it was two weeks ago. I watched it two weeks ago during, what was it, Memorial weekend? Yeah.

And I watched it. And you've beenged it. Because, you know, the episodes are quick. They're like 19 minutes, 20 minutes. I watched the whole seasons. And I'm like, yo, this shit is really, really dope. I appreciate you, man. Yeah, for real, thank you for coming.

You too, Andrews. For sure, man. I really appreciate that. Thank you for having. It was fun. It was like, you know, it felt like the seller to me. Like, that's, like, what the writer's room was. Yeah.

It was just a bunch of comedians kind of just talking shit, arguing, arguing, arguing, and then, yo, write that up. That could be funny. Yeah. And then they worked together and we just got it back. No, that scene was dope because it's like, I didn't know Amy Schumer and Mephingman would be in the scene. Now, you got everybody out.

That was impressive, man. That was silly. It was stupid. My favorite episode, I'm not to say favorite, but one of my favorites, because I liked a lot of them, was the episode where your man got shot but couldn't afford the call and ambulance. You all decided to go in the ride share,

but then the ride share wouldn't take y'all. Because he wasn't wearing a mask. Yes. But it made so much sense of like, not just the hypocrisy, but it's almost like, I don't want, can I say it? Can I talk about this? Oh, please.

Okay, the guy's necking on the train, right? Yeah. But he's got a mask on. Yeah, yeah. These two, Shane and his man, don't have a mask on. So they can't go. Everybody's on the train yelling at shade.

And it's like, dude, this dude is standing there butt-necked and nobody got nothing to say to him. I don't know what the word is, analogy, metaphor, but it was the perfect, whatever one of those words are to describe the world that we're in right now. I'm glad you watched it, man. That's fucking dope. No, it's a weird thing. Like, I think that's where kind of most of my favorite bits come from is literally just arguments and frustration. Yeah. And then, you know, just kind of blowing it out.

Like, with a show like that, you get to blow it out. You can't do it as much on SNL because it's live TV. It's not just your show. The real estate's a lot smaller. But, like, you know, when you're doing your own thing, like, y'all know, like, you do your own thing. You could actually do what it is you want to do. You can get right to it. So it's a little bit more fun.

Do you feel like you're conforming on SNL? Yeah, of course. But you have to. I think that's part of what makes SNL a little bit special. It's like what you can't do also makes what you do cool. So when you do see something exciting and when it does hit the mark, it has way more impact because you understand the rules and what can't be done. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. It's naughtier. Yeah, when you could say whatever you want, it's not as whatever. But like when you have a platform where it's live and you're getting very close to that line, it's like, how far to that line can you go without going over? Yeah. It makes a lot more exciting, I think. Have you seen Chey's stand-up?

I saw, what special did I see? I think Jay is one of the best alive right. I saw one of the specials back in the day. I'm barely alive. Barely alive. I didn't say for how long, Mike. I'm barely alive, let's be honest. But no, the stand-up, you got to check the stand-up, man.

I mean, the thing I like about, you know, even the show is rooted in the stand-up. I think those are the best shows. It feels like stand-up. Yeah. But I don't know. You correct me if I'm wrong here about yourself. but like I think when you start thinking in jokes, the sketches are a reflection of that premise.

Boom, it's like a visual to the joke. Exactly. That's all it is. That's what I like. Yeah, like even with the subway thing, it's like, you're seeing that going, this is ridiculous the way people act on a fucking train. I got to wear a mask and these people don't even got clothes on.

Like, I can see that as a bit. Yeah, yeah. But now you get to see the naked dude. You get to see all these things turn into reality. Well, that's the ill thing because like, like I'd never had a sketch background. I started a stand-up. So when I got to SNL, I came in as a guest writer,

and I never wrote sketches before. So I didn't know, you know, I didn't know what I was doing, but I ended up getting a job because what I didn't know at the time, stand-ups are very premise-rich. Yeah. So if you ever, you know, if you ever have a writer's room, having stand-ups in the room is great because we always kind of find the jokes.

We're premise-rich and we can punch up. Yeah. So there's always kind of a place for us. And then once you start kind of understanding the logic of like just building out the world because like for a joke, you write kind of what your perspective is. Yeah. For a sketch or for a script, you kind of write what everybody's perspective is so that it's constantly, you know, it's a little bit, it's a lot more rounded.

What do you mean by that? Well, meaning that like if I'm telling the joke, I'm talking about my experience specifically. But if I'm writing a script, I got to keep every, I got to keep Sicily a lot. I got to keep everybody alive. You know, so I have to give jokes to literally everybody. Everybody's got to have a punch lot. Everybody's got to set up a joke. It's not just giving about one.

Everybody in the sketch is going to be funny. Yeah, you build in a world. It forces you to kind of write broader. Yeah. And you have to write from other perspectives. That's right. A stand-ups, we're just going, how do I feel about this? Exactly.

But that's all I care about. I'm not even joking. Me too, but I care about a comedian's personal perspective on things. That's why I don't take offense because that's that person. personal perspective. I think that sometimes they look at comedians and say, that's him.

So I'm going to use his perspective as everybody's worldview and I'm going to try to take out him because if I take out him, then I can take out this worldview, this ideology. I don't agree with you. Yeah, I think that you treat yourself

out of a lot of comedy thinking like that. You know, like, like, like I think people liked Archie Bunker not because he was a bigot, but like, because he was a bigot, but not because they were bigots too. That's right.

Just because. they understood where he was coming from. I believe that guy. You know, that's my mom. That's my dad or that's my grandfather or that's my neighbor or whatever it is. So I think sometimes we kind of got to be able to laugh at people even that we disagree with. That's right. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because there's a lot like, I mean, Burr's one of my favorite comedians, but I don't agree with almost anything he says, but it's like funny to watch him do what he does. I agree with something. You know what I mean? Byrd's out of his mind, man. That WNBA. That WNBA reality show joke, slapsed. And I can't wait that hits the ecosystem.

I don't know if it's out yet. I just saw him saying. I don't, that shit slaps. Yeah, keep it in the tuck if he hasn't. No, no, he's one of the questions going on. He's absolutely amazing. Yeah, I think that people get confused that, like, comedy comes from a feeling that you have,

and we can have feelings that are wrong. Like, comedy a lot of times is, like, your knee-jerk reaction. Like, you know, someone cuts you off. The thing that you think, about that person is the funniest way to describe them. Yeah. Right. But it's not right.

And then a minute later, you're like, God damn, how do I even fucking think that way about that person? So if we could look at, like, I was trying to say this the other day, but like, you know how like you can kill someone and it's okay if it's a crime of passion? Like if you see somebody, no, but like if you see someone fucking your wife, like you could kill him and you could not go to jail forever because it was like I couldn't control myself. Man, it must be great to be white. Yeah.

Never had. Black people, be more passionate. I didn't see this on a bro. Why don't you love your murders, right? You never had that thought. Is that on the wall in Ellis Island? Like,

what the fuck you hear that? You know how you can kill somebody? Like, huh? You can what? There's a lot of love in our community, bro. I don't know what to tell you, we value our women.

We really value them. And when someone fucks him, we get upset. So what's this hypothetical scenario you're saying? You know what I'm trying to say? Like, this is, it's, I guess what I'm trying to say is like that knee jer

reaction is for whatever reason, like, it's not as bad. And I think if people saw comedy like that, then they would appreciate it and also understand it a little bit more. It's like the Archie Bunker is tapping into this feeling either you had or a feeling that you know your dad had or somebody else had, and you know that a feeling is real, but you know it's wrong. No, you, I think you 100% correct. I always feel like comedy is speed, right? Like it's always the fastest reaction that connects to everybody. So that's why the laugh comes immediate or that's how you get a room full of people to laugh at the same thing. It's got to connect honestly the fastest. You're almost laughing before you even have time to process. Involuntary. Yeah, it's involuntary. So I think like,

you know, when people say honest comedians, they're talking about people think more so on the lines of what's true after you thought about it and not the honest reaction that people actually have in the moment, which is what really connects. I still think comedians go through the filter of cerebralness before they go through the filter of emotion. That's the only reason I disagree with the analogy. I'm saying it starts an emotion. And then we can pack something cerebral around it.

Y'all take a beat, though. We do. And that all comes later. And crafting the joke is the quick, when you first start a joke, like in this first part, you try to get the reaction first. I got to wear a mask and this dude's naked. that's the joke right you got a mask on you can barely breathe this guy's dick is out in the subway and you're like this is stupid that's the premise that's the idea that's the joke but then building out the world is what we do after effects now I would say maybe that's the only inauthentic thing that we do is that we're acting like this is this knee jerk thing when it is something that we've had months to process and make it beautiful yeah yeah yeah yeah I just yo yeah yeah yeah I get you that's what comedy is.

Yeah, it is. It's Groundhog Day three months in. Got you. Like, we figured out the day, but we got to act with all these people throughout the day, like we haven't figured it out. Got you, got you, got you. Now, that makes sense. It makes sense.

It makes sense. The only reason I push back on that just because that's what happened this week, not to get too dark. You know, the guy, the rap of trouble. Oh, yeah. He got killed because he was at a young lady's house. And I guess the guy, I don't know. I guess I don't know what relationship him and the woman had, but he came in upset and ended up shooting them.

You know what I mean? Oh. And to me, it's. Like, yes, that should be... Shit, I didn't know I was using that as an answer. I don't know. But that could be considered a crime of passion, but it's still stupid as fuck to throw your life away. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You know? For sure. But I think... But I guarantee, like Andrew just said, if he was like, what happened to that guy? Oh, somebody killed him. Why? Well, he called him fucking his wife.

Oh. If you got a wife. You know what I mean? It's not... It doesn't make it okay. Yeah, it's not like, what? The emotional reaction. You see it.

how that could happen. I don't think that was his wife, but I get what you're saying. Yeah, and that's all we're appealing to is the emotion. Take my wife, please. It's emotion.

Yeah. Nobody wants you to take your wife, but at a little bit, you're like, all right, yeah. It's human connection. It's,

it's human connection. It's going to a place to hear the motherfucker and say your inner thoughts that you've been suppressing or that you don't have an outlet to say yourself and articulate it in a way

that you're like, yes, that's true. That I believe. And we make you laugh. So it's not fucked up. It's funny. really roleplay with prostitutes? Absolutely not.

I don't... What's it? What's it? Because that's the thing nowadays, you watch things and I'm like, this show is called, you know, that damn Michael Scha. He's playing himself.

No, no, no, no. Never did that. But it is like that. I mean, isn't it roleplay every time you fucking prostitute? She's role playing. Nah. Is it role playing?

No, it's a transaction. Acting into it. She's not acting like she's at work. Like she wants to get through it as quick as possible. Right? Like she's, have any of you all had sex with a prostitute? Yeah.

Sex with a prostitute? If you got to think about it definitely. No, no. Nobody has to think about whether they had sex with a prostitute or not. No. That's not something you do accidentally. I paid a stripper back in the day. Yeah, that's, she's a prostitute.

No, that's not prostitution. Well, she's a prostitute once. she does it. She's providing a service, guys. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you, you fuck hookers, bro. Like, that's just a fact. It is what it is. Like, they get the dirt through a stripper and a hookup. Well, when she starts accepting money for sex, then she

transitions. It doesn't matter what she identifies as, this is the job. She got a hyphen job. Yeah, when those young hyphenage. So, they need to give, like, awards for strippers that make niggas think, they get into relationships. Yeah, that's best actress. Yeah, like literally. Literally shouldn't be a best actress for scriptmas. That would be hilarious.

Best actress at the hookies. Yeah. Call it the hookies. The hookies. Now, do you think the same-up comedy scene for both of you all really has changed? Hold on. We're not done with this hooker conversation. So you've had sex with a prostitute.

Yeah. I've had sex with a prostitute. But y'all in New York, though. I always didn't do it in Jersey. Same thing. And I did it in Amsterdam. Really? Oh, you went to the.

Y'all always thought Lucas was anonymous with New York. Always growing up. Amsterdam, I had to do it. It was like, I just was like I had to do it. Never heard that way, Shea. I've heard Amsterdam you got to smoke weed. No, no, no, no, man. Oh, red light district.

Red light district, yeah. Anything you can imagine. It was terrible, but I had to do it. How was it? It was bad. It was bad. It was sex with a lifestyles condom. It was awful.

Really? Well, you know, you didn't want to wear a condom? No, it's what it is. he can be fucking anything with a lifestyle condom. He don't feel shit. Wait, did you ask, he asked why he didn't go wrong? Yeah.

On the professional. Some people pay for that. I wasn't in love, Charlemagne. You didn't pay. You didn't kiss her in the mouth. You didn't kiss in the mind? Oh, nigger. But see, that's the weird thing, right?

Listen, that's why, that's why. Just tell us what happened with you, Doug. Because your shit seems the most interesting. You're tucking down in the smoker. I am an intimate cancer. I have a level. I've always had a level. Okay.

So when you have a level, you're used to being at that level. Right. That's why you don't go down. Like, you know what I mean? Did you go down on the girl that you paid to have sex? She, first of all, I didn't look at her as a stripper. She was a nice young lady when she wasn't in the club. But both things can be true.

Huh? She could be a nice stripper. Yeah. You see, I don't worry about the occupation didn't bother me the time. But you paid when you paid her money. I don't think she was very nice if she still pay her money. money. What do you mean? Seems like she's a filthy liar.

I wasn't paying her for the transactions. What were you paying her for? She was the homie. Oh, this guy's a sip. No, she was an old me. This is adorable. You're adorable. Yes. That was my long. I like the so she didn't even want the money. Probably not.

Probably not, but you know. Probably not. Just so happened you gave her to it. Yeah. You kicking it with me as a little something, man. And when you stopped giving her that money, like did the relationship change all? No, we still cool. If you think about it, you tricked her. Yeah.

Yeah. There is something to that, though. That's why I, no, there is something to that. Like, I have to have, I've always had to have some type of relationship with a woman. Yeah. That's why I've never been, like, I've never been good at, like, the cheating thing. Yeah. Defend good.

What do you mean? Define good at the cheating thing. Like, what would make you good at it? being able just to hit it and keep it moving. Right. And not think about the person. Now, some might make the argument that it would make you a worse cheater that you needed to have a whole emotional connection.

No, I think that's something that was lacking in me. I felt like I needed to have that emotional. I didn't want to feel like I was using somebody. You know what I mean? I didn't want to feel like I was just using someone for sex. You did that, Che on the show. I don't know why you sitting there acting like you didn't do that. No, everything you're saying I relate to.

I understand everything you're saying. I just never, you know, I've never been in denial. Why, you're not saying nothing wrong. Because you was role-playing with her, he had her playing. Why he's trying to push it on him, though? You did it in the show. Yeah, yeah. Because I am, because I am married.

Okay. And, you know, I've heard my wife listen to brain idiots every now and then. Okay. So I'm just trying to put this out there the right way. And this is the long, long, long, long. Long time. So then say what you're trying to say. Like, baby, if I ever cheated,

it's because I really liked them. I was fucking ain't mean nothing. You know what I'm saying? I'm fucking them girls. They'll get right back. You know what I'm saying? Right. Got to quote home to get out of some of this shit.

She didn't even want the money. Give me a towel. Got me in here sweating, talking about my transgressions. I was trying to do is talk to Michael Shea about this TV show. What do you mean? With what? With sex?

No, for sure. That's why I role play with, prostitutes. I do. I want them to believe, I want to believe that they're into it. I've only slept with one prostitute, but I want to believe that they actually want to do this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably talked to her. Thank you. She didn't, be gangless. If a girl's talking to you and you guys have sex, will you feel like? Yeah, like. You said if a girl, what would she say?

If a girl stopped talking to us after we had sex with them, would we? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Was that the premise of talking to the therapist? No, that came later. To me, it was, it wasn't really a joke about the therapy.

It was more, if it wasn't a joke about the process, it was more a joke about the therapy. But I'm so unlikely to go to therapy that I'll open up with a prostitute role-playing therapy. That's the way I'd go. It was more about me being able to open up to somebody, and this was a way of me doing it. You know what I mean? Wow.

So that, that's the heightenedness that is a prostitute. Okay. Do you find it hard? to open up to a therapist, though, and realize? Oh, yeah, for sure. I think it's hard for me to even initiate that conversation with somebody. Like, initiate that act of getting a therapist. Really?

Yeah, I think it's that black man doctor shit, you know. Yeah. You know, if it ain't falling off, you had. I've been going to therapy for like six years. I know. You kind of like, you've changed culture in a lot of ways where it's a lot more acceptable. I think you're part of the reason. I think a lot of people from our community go to therapy.

Thank you. I hear that. But it didn't work on me. It didn't work? No, I'm still not going. But I understand, like, you know, a lot of people. I wonder if it's because comedians are so nuanced with life, though. I think it's because we got an outlet.

That's what I'm thinking. We have a place to go. So I know that's probably not enough. But I think for us, we like, I got a spot. It's like why I don't go on vacation because I travel. But is it is, I wonder if it's like a vulnerability thing. Like, it's more vulnerable to go up there and say something without the punchline. like to say the true feeling.

Like you're forced to deal with why you do what you do. Like why do you need the audience's approval? How does it feel if you don't? Like that could be true, but I don't think that's true for me. That doesn't feel true for me. It sounds like someone who's never been to therapy. I feel like I'm in therapy right now.

That was a therapy question. A fucking leg crossed and shit, you know what I mean? That's real. It made me think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, being able to tell the truth without a punchline. That's, that's, like, it's not as scary when you have something to land on, right? No, but you have conversations with people where you're not fucking digging for a punchline.

That's not true. I've never heard two comedians have a conversation in the last don't come a mile a second. Not a minute. Okay, I'll give you all a minute. There's a lot of more arguing. There's a lot more debate. A lot of yelling. Yeah, a lot of screaming.

I can't believe you're not, you don't do stand-up. I tell him this. Every week, did you see how I started sweating just saying? and you're trying to have a fucking conversation about hookers? But prior to the past couple of months, stand-up is literally the most dangerous thing in the world. Getting on that motherfucker, not to y'all, you fucking maniacs, getting on that stage and having to make a ruleful of people's laugh on purpose?

I don't know. That's not dangerous. Yeah, not to you seasoned professionals. I don't know. What's worse that could happen? They don't laugh. They're coming there to laugh. That's all good.

You know what I mean? They're like, I'd really like to laugh. And they're looking at you like, hey, please do the thing that I really want you to do. Yeah. You know, I think like early in your career, you perform in these places where it's almost like they threw up a show and people doing their laundry. They didn't even know they were going to get a comedy show. That's tough. Oh, yeah.

But, you know, you go into the comedy club that somebody's been waiting two weeks to go see. They're ready to laugh. It gets easier and easier. Yes. This comes from Michael Shea and Andrew Shokes. Yeah. Think about the, think about y'all. 10 years ago, 15 years ago

when y'all were just trying to make it getting up on stage for the first time. My first time on stage was at an open mic at, what was it? Comedy Corner. Remember Comedy Corner on McDougal? You had an open mic there. And it went terrible, you know,

but it was like, I knew immediately this is what I want to do. Like, it was already, it was already, but even when it was bad. It's like, when somebody, like, when somebody, like, hand you a game, you don't know how to play first. You're like, no, no, no, let me try it again.

Like immediately, I was going up every day all the time. Why? Tell me why. Like, even though you didn't do well. The biggest thing that I remember was the view. Something about being on stage and looking at everybody, looking back. I was like, I just loved that perspective. I don't know what it was, but that was like intoxicated, being on stage.

You remember the first joke that you did that got laughs consistently? No. Consistently? God, no. it took a while I say do you? Yeah And it was like

Yeah I mean it was just like A silly misdirection joke Was it? That was kind of fucked up That's good It was contact with year Right

Let's put a ear on it But yeah it was just like What's the premise first of all It's like I like when girls talk dirty during sex You know I just hate it when they say the same thing Over and over again like Like So Shay

About your hoodie Right So Shay, your hoodie, right? It was a different time. It was a different time. I saw Ferrell with that hoodie on. It was a different time.

I saw Farrell with that hoodie. I've had this for mad long. Thank you. Here, let's change this up. I guess my boy is... That's why he calls it a misdirection joke. I like, thank you for trying to get me to go first, by the way. I thought you would have something nice and pleasant, bro.

In the beginning, in the beginning, it's like, I'm still trying to, like, learn how everything works. And then I figured like, oh, wow, like I brought people to this one interesting place and then took them to a very different dark place and they reacted involuntarily. It's different for everybody, obviously, but what would you say? Because I always feel like your first five to ten years of comedy is survival. Yeah. And then the rest, then you start to slowly have something to say and try to say that. Yeah. But for the most part, you're just trying not to bomb for so long.

And you think the longer you're killing, the better comedian you are, as opposed to actually developing into a joke teller or an actual comedian. You know what I mean? I don't know how long it took for you. I think it took me about six years before I wasn't in survival mode anymore, six or seven years or so. And then after that, it kind of. started to feel like I'm getting on stage because there's something I'm trying to I'm trying to crack

the code. It's like graduating to like Jedi, I guess. I don't think it's grad. I think it's desire. There's a difference between survival and then like enjoyment. Yeah. And when you're excited to tell the jokes. Yes. Because you already know you can survive even if it gets kind of fucked up. That doesn't mean that we don't bomb still. I mean like shit, I'm, I'm going to be bombing my ass off. Now I'm developing new hour or whatever. But like there's a difference between like I really want to tell these jokes. And I hope these jokes work so I don't feel shitty after this show. Right.

And I think that's what you're saying. And yeah, how many years in? Because there's a lot of there's a lot of comedians too who I always feel like are so funny and so talented. But their development gets stunned because the rooms they play are so competitive. They never get past where they've killed. Yeah. They never, they're not willing to because they don't want to be the one that bomb.

So they're trying to keep that kill going for as long as they can and they never grow. So they stay there. They stay and they stay with that material. That's called the zone of excellence. I'm reading this book right now called Big Leaf. Fantastic book. Yeah. Because it's all about self-sabotage and how we intentionally don't allow ourselves to be happy.

And it was like, you know, right before the zone of genius, a lot of people get stuck in the zone of excellence. Yeah. And the zone of excellence, excellence looks great. Because, you know, you might be on television, you're on the radio, you're making money on your stand-up, like, you're there, you're winning. But you don't never get to that zone of genius because you're afraid to not be comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, there's like, yeah, I feel like in comedy, it's like there's the thrill of a new bit for a while. And then the excitement to tell a bit that you really believe in.

And then something happens where like the excitement goes. So you chase the kill. and that's when I need to like stop myself. Because when I'm just chasing a kill, I'm going, the only reason I'm feeling good about telling this is if they get this crazy reaction instead of going, okay, I've got this joke to a good place. How can I make it better?

Or what's the new joke? But that kill zone is what you're saying. Like motherfuckers get locked in that zone and they're killing so they don't realize, yeah, that the growth isn't there. No, yeah. It's the trip to see. That's why I would never do stand-up.

That's a lie. You, no, no, I'm gonna tell. Because I know me. I know I need the validation. And so if I get on that stage and don't get that validation from the crowd. Just go up tomorrow. No. I'm gonna be questioning the fuck out of myself about everything.

Not just that standard. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be questioning myself about everything. Not just what happened on that stage. I'll be questioning myself about life. Period. You know what I mean? Every single thing.

Well, that's the challenge. What? Question yourself. Yeah. That's what I stand up is dumb. Oh, no, no, no. You're right. You're right.

I just, Everything that you're afraid of is not that scary. It's just literally inconvenient. You sound like a therapist. That's why I don't need that shit. That's what a therapist with you? Think about all the times that you've actually thought about something going wrong. Yeah.

And how many times it has actually gone wrong? It could go wrong, but once it's gone wrong, then what? Yeah. That's the thing. It's not that it won't go wrong. It's that once it goes wrong, then what? Once it goes wrong, it goes viral. Now, well, for you, yeah, because people are probably going to be waiting for you to bomb,

but like, they will. Oh, you like to see people bomb. All them dark in the days, bro. All them dark in the days, man. They're going to be on your ass, bro. Look at Tip. Like, Tip did stand up and they tried to catch him at a lot of his worst moments. Yeah.

And now that that's done, he can do, no one cares. Now he's free. Now he's free to do whatever he wants. Yeah. Because the worst is happening. That is not true. And you know that. That's absolutely.

No, no. That's the time you've seen a video. I literally just asked somebody the other day of T. I still doing stand up. Oh. Because I haven't seen him since. That's what I'm saying. This is where he gets good.

But this is where he's going to get good because now no one really cares. He can actually develop. He can try. He can fail. It's not going to be, he doesn't have to read about it the next day. He could literally, this is where you get good. I can be wrong, man, but I just feel like stand up is not something you do once you get to a certain age. You know what I mean?

I just, it's my person. You're wrong. You're wrong. I probably am. I just don't feel like, you know. Stand up might not be something that you do once you get to a certain level of fame because it's very difficult. Oh, no, that's about to be the new fame. It's difficult, but it's fun.

To me, it's like, I don't know anybody who other than Eddie Murphy that was all the way entrenched and wasn't. a life of you know what I mean always end up doing it again even Eddie is like still kind of making deals to do stand-down you know what I mean like you can't shake it because there's no there's no reaction everybody about to be running the stand-up soon

you know how it was the podcast rush for I was going to be the stand-up brother you about to see it I doubt it they just got to try once that's the beauty of it why? Why? Because it's hard that's my point when you get on that stage

and you're talking to all these people You say the wrong thing and they're just looking at you like, word, word. And don't let them start booing, man. Who's ego can handle that? Even if they do well. I don't go up tonight now. This is. Yeah, Michael Chee, that don't count.

Nah, it does. Trust me, man. Sometimes, like, you bugger. He's bugging. I think you just wish you would have done it. And now you're making excuses as to why it's smart that you didn't. That's what I take it back. You know what, no, you know what made me think that.

It's too late. You already said you do it. No, no, because I was watching the calling doc this weekend. And I was like, oh, shit, Carlin used to do radio. You know what I mean? So it didn't have me thinking like, oh, shit. And then I think about people like you who say, oh, you should have did stand-up. And I'm like, oh, damn, maybe I should have done some stand-up.

I think you have the brain for stand-up. I think you could do it. But I think that you did exactly what you're supposed to do. I agree. Like your skill set is perfect. Oh, yeah, you're fine. You did okay. Thank you.

But I'm saying... Tell me that shit. But I'm saying you would have had a lot of fun doing stand-up. Yes. Now, I like this. I literally like this. I like sitting around. But there's stand-ups that do this.

You can't... It's not mutually exclusive. That's the other things. You know what? A bunch of stand-ups are sitting down on stage now. Exactly doing this. And that's growing in stand-up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm thinking back to what you were saying about that that kills on. I have empathy for, like, the comics that are, like, coming up or just start making a living and get caught in that. that because they're thinking that every set is their last set at that club. What am I going to get booked again this next week? And it takes a certain level of either like economic comfort or complete not give a fuck or just love of the art to go. I'm just going to say fuck it.

Because it's cutthroat too. I think like in any business or any craft there's going to be about. 5% of people who actually give a fuck about doing it really, really want to do it. And a lot of people who kind of think they can do it or can get away with doing it or just do their impression of it. Yeah.

You know, even in this business, how many people that's like actually into this and people that's like, I should just do one because everybody else got one. And it's, you know, and I know I can fake it or I know what they're doing. You know what I'm doing. Like a lot of times people just doing their impression

of what they want to do, not exactly in it. Following the trend of success. Yeah, so it's like the same with stand-up. They always say people, he'll see something working for somebody else. And they'll be like, oh, I want to do that too.

But that's really not what you're supposed to do. No, yeah, you got to be yourself. Yeah. But you got to learn that to Harley when you get them on that stage. And that's the beauty of it. I mean, I always go back to this Colin quote from, what was it, comedian? when he's like,

there's like justice in comedy after five minutes. So you could be famous, you could be on SNL, you could do whatever, but like they're going to give you five minutes of, oh yeah,

I'm gonna laugh at this guy because he's famous. And then after that, it's like, I'm gonna need some fucking jokes. Yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you about the Carlondock,

man, because I watched the George Carlin doc this weekend on HBO Max. I did, first of all, I didn't know. Yeah, I always hear people mention George.

Carlin, I wasn't in the George Carlin. Fucking brilliant. I don't see anybody doing that now. Carlin? I don't see anybody knowing, bro. It's a very specific thing. What he was doing, man. His, the, the, I love the 90s specials. I know a lot of people didn't

love him as much because they got real dark. But I thought what he was tapping into there was like, it was, I thought it was like right up there with rock specials. which was some of the best of all time at that same exact time. Praise. I remember it was like, you know, kind of at the same time, I wish people revisited as often as, you know,

they talk about priors and Chappelle's and all that stuff. But it's right up there. Rock is the closest to Carl. I think so, too. You know, and it's just... You put Carlin over Rock? I mean, I relate to Rock more because he's black. And it's more current.

You know what I mean? Carlin's white. He is. But I say, I just think he's the closest to a carl. Huh? What do you say? Yeah, we aren't out of the basics. You're right.

I put rock. I was always like, I put rock. I'm a who came first person. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think there is a rock without a carlo. It's like yesterday when Ryan Clark posted, you know, Chris Brown's more talented to Michael Jackson. How do you even come to that conclusion?

And then everybody starts talking about, oh, because Chris does graffiti and he. I'm like, what the time of music and dancing? I mean, we don't talk about. We're not talking about anything out. We're talking about music and dancing. Like Tank said he does graffiti and he draws. They're like, what are we talking about? I thought we're talking about music and dancing.

So to me, Carlin came first. And, man, I'm telling you, after watching that doc, I was like, wow, have me think about something else too, right? I don't know if a black comic can make the observations George Carlin makes. Because he's got like a bird's-eye view of the world. and he's not in these groups that he might be discussing. He's able to just sit back and look at it. I don't think that's fair, though.

I think, I think, I think you got to think of it like Carlin was like a 70-year-old, a 70-year-old genius comedian. I hate saying a genius and comedy person, but he's actually that. You know what I mean? A genius 70, probably doing comedy, what, 55 years or something, whatever? Like he's at a level where nobody's doing that. I definitely think when Chappelle's 70 or when if Patrice made it to 70 or you know what I mean? It's true.

When they get to 70, they may have that type of that type of self-awareness and reflection. But in that wealth of knowledge. Or Dick Gregory, you see Bigger. Oh, definitely, Dick Gregory. You know what I mean? 100%. Well, damn. I would love to see what Cosby's up to now.

Really? I'm sure Cosby's guy. He never been, he never was tapped in social. as far as socially, though. I bet he's got a different perspective now. One thing you won't hear him say is what else, what else? He definitely got a lot to talk about right now. You think life showed him something?

Oh, sure. But no, it's like, yo, Colin was so socially conscious and it's weird, right? Because I look at all the comedians out now. With all of this shit going on in the world, they're not talking about the stuff that Carl, was talking about. People are using Carlin's old stuff that talk about what's going

on now. Like what, for example? Oh, I mean, everything from everything political, like literally everything political from abortion to voting, right, racism, all of that type of stuff. I think people address it in certain, like, you do it in a TV show a lot. That's what I like.

I don't know if I necessarily see it on stage from people. I think people express that differently through different mediums now. They might talk about it on podcast. They might talk about it, you know, they do their sketches, are they scripting shows? You don't think Byrd does it? Yes, I do.

Not to the level of Carlin, though, but yes, I think he does. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the unfair company. It's like you talk about, yeah. That's true. A Michael Jordan of this shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's on a very, very short list.

There's a Mount Rushmore. Carlin's on it, but 99% of the comics that's ever, you know, picked up a mic. Did you watch Louis's last one? No, I haven't. I haven't either, and I'm surprised. Like, maybe he touched. some of these things. Like, yeah, I think you're, you're talking about, like, very mature thought.

And, like, someone who's, like, synthesized and digested life. And I never thought about that. I never thought about the age thing. You're right. No, it's, it's important. Like, if you talk to old heads that are wise, like, everything they say just sounds so profound, right? So it's like, and then you add the fact that this guy's been doing comedy that long,

and he's just been, like, crafting these, like, bits and ideas. Yeah, it also the way, like, Carlin also kind of didn't need an audience the way he started performed when he when he started like kind of really really locking in the late 90s his shit was damn there spoken word it was so rhythmic and you could almost listen to it without any of the audience you know what I'm saying like it was damn there a song I remember even you know in those in those days they they would do these promos where he would just go on these long rants and long runs from the special and that that was the promo for the specials and they were just as enjoyable like he was he was just kind of on a different on a different way I never thought about that

I never factored in the age thing, so just none. Yeah, just life. I just thought it was about what people cared about. No, he was a G. So y'all going to wait until what, 60? No. You're never going to even know when it happens. It'll probably be appreciated.

Look, like you just said, you don't hear that much about Carlin until this documentary. Yeah. So sometimes people got to catch up to it. It might be happening. You don't even know it. Or it might be happening and we don't know it. You know what I'm saying?

Like people catch up to it when this. I think it's got to also reflect what you care about, like what's going on in your life. Yeah. Like it's not your responsibility as a comedian to like reflect to the times. It's your responsibility to reflect on like what you care about. Yeah, that's like the right.

When they tell the rap was like, you don't have to rap about things of substance. Yeah, and those songs are the worst when they're like, hey, you got to put out a love song. And then you got this like rapper who's rapping about some love shit. And like he don't even give a fuck about that. Right. You know what I mean?

Like I don't need to hear all that. I want to hear what you care about. And the most, authentic stuff usually cuts through. At least for me, that's the thing that I care about. And listen, listen, I don't need it from everybody. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, if you do have that microphone and you are of a certain stature,

let's see what you can, let's see the wide range of things you can, you can touch on. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I agree with that. That's why it frustrates me to see when people don't go past that surface level. Yes. That, like, you say the excellence of the upper, upper limit.

theory. It is that where you're like... And you're in this, it's called the zone of excellence. Sometimes being, sometimes killing at a level amongst your peers, you never want to risk going past that. And you never develop past that. So it is, but it's, it's ugly. There's a lot of ugly, ugly, ugly duckling years in that, in that process that you kind of got to, you know, go through and you feel like as a good comedian you've already done your part you've already been not good and got good so you're not going to take the risk to be considered not good again even if it's growing i think that's part of the reason why like you know people like dave or you know rock whatever like

they go away you know what i mean they go away to work yeah like take some time reflect like figure out how your life has changed word you know like i know this sensation like trust me i felt it like I just came off this crazy tour and the sensation is like, well, keep this ball rolling. It's like, but that's not how you're going to create the show that people need to feel. Like, I need to go away for maybe it's years, dude. And I need to be in the clubs working, but like processing how I feel about the world. And then the crazy thing about standup and you mentioned all these old dudes is like Carlin's standup at the end wasn't his standup in the beginning. Nowhere near it.

And it took a process to even get. And his stand up was funny in the beginning. Yeah, of course. But, like, you also have to go through them new growing pains when you change and start talking about different things you're going through because you might not have the tools to execute those jokes the way you had the tools to execute the jokes early on. Yeah, it comes a point where a performer actually catches up with the man,

if that makes sense. Yeah, and like, I don't know if Dave as a performer has caught up with Dave the man yet. Because when you hear Dave talk, it's like... He's the best of talking out about. I mean, I'm not saying it's just the best. comedy's not like that. When you hear him talk, I like hearing Dave talk more

nowadays than I even do hearing the joke sometimes. No, I like the, I don't know. I like the thing. I seen him recently, man. Crazy? He's on fire. Oh, wow.

He's on fire. He unlocked something. I don't know. He's on fire right now. Maybe the performer caught up with the man. I think Dave is just at a point now where he does what he wants. Like, he's like, he reminds me of prints

in that way of like, he could do print stuff where you may not even be like, I'm not into it. But then you put him in a rock and roll hall of fame. And he's like, oh, this motherfucker is the best guitarist in the world, too? Who knew? You know what I mean? Like, he's so good that he just does what he wants to do.

And you kind of add his mercy. You're like, he's on a different plane, I think. But I like that because I think you should be taking those risks. Like, if you are trying to change something like, yeah, who knows what you're going to do? Yo, in fucking 10 years, we could sit here and then go, you know what? I've just really fell in love with one-liners. And I want to get great at one-liners. And I've never been good at them.

But I just think there's something so beautiful about the economy of a joke. And then you can focus three years on putting out a special of just one-liners. I mean, look at Norm, what Norm was doing, where people kind of go back to who is in the Norm McDonald's. Oh, I thought of cheers as soon as you said.

No, no. Yeah, the niggum from cheers. No, no, but like how great Norm was at just taking. old kind of joke book vaudeville jokes and repurposing and making them silly and absurd and long and drawn out and it's like

something that nobody would ever think to do but it's as as brilliant as anything anybody else is doing like yeah so it's a pendulum saying you get sick of one thing it's swinging other way that's a beautiful you all been pushed what on stage just in general

like just as far as creatively when the last time you saw something you was like oh my god that motherfucker is like taking a risk and he's inspiring me, you know what I mean? Oh, well, uh, work? Oh, man. I had never, I haven't seen, I still haven't seen Gerard special, but, but I worked with, um, uh,

before that. I still haven't watched. I just, it's just so hard for me to sit down and watch. Oh, I get it. Comedy on television. Every comic says it. It's so hard for me to like sit and watch comedy on television, but I saw him live and, and, um, I was listening in a way, you. his brain works and the way he was approaching things.

And then we talked about comedy, like afterwards, and it was like, it pushed me a little bit in a different way. Like, not in a, it's just a different way of like, I don't even know how to really describe it, but he's somebody that I've kind of been paying a lot of attention to. Okay. How about you, shows? I mean, like, there'll be guys that, like,

our colleagues and, like, friends that, like, I see, and they're just, you know, doing a joke about a topic that is, even just like common in the ether, but it's so different and so unique and just so fun. Like I saw Dan Soder do this joke the other day, and I was like, oh, fuck, he's like really thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, he's like being, like, really thoughtful about this thing. And so much heart, too, and everything he does. Yeah, he cares. Yeah, he truly does. He's so attached with the material. Every time he gets all stage, I say it, and I'm just like, you're being 100% you. Yeah.

You're not even being comedy you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're being you, you. Dan Soter, go check out. Damn. He's a nice guy. Say what? He's a nice guy.

He's great. Yeah, you know, I'm from Guy Co. But like, you know, so there's like new guys that I'm seeing are young and doing that. That's what I don't know. Who's the new guy? Oh, man. I mean, like my boy that opens for me, Mark Gagnon is great. Derek Poston is fucking great.

I mean, Derek's down in Austin. Like there's Eagle wit, you know Eagle. Eagle is funny. Like, there's a lot of like young guys that are fucking hilarious. But I'll be honest, the shit that still pushes me is like old stuff. Like going back watching like old. Patrice are like, how much bringing the pain just the other day? Because, like, I wanted to see if it lived up to, like, my memory of it.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And it fucking crushes the memory. Like, even Bernie, bro, we always talk about, like, that set, the birdie. I ain't scared of you. Like, I think, like, I was, I bring that. I think that might be, like, the most perfect five minutes of just stand up. I'm not talking about, like, premises.

I'm talking about, like, interaction between audience and human being. Like, in essence, what happened? there for five minutes. That's like a perfect storm. It's magic. Yeah, that's magic. That's like crazy. And it's like, I look at those moments.

I'm like, okay, well, what's happening here? How do I, how do I create magic like that? You know who else got a couple of things like that too? Eddie Griffin. Oh, dude. Eddie Griffin's death jams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are like, like melt the walls.

It's like crazy shit. I don't know how you got all of these things to work. Y'all need to watch Ray J. Bro. Ray Jee. Ray J yesterday. No, what is this guy? Ray J?

You didn't see Ray J. Go to Ola. You just cut off your transmission. Hold on. I'm going to give you all. I'm going to do this ad, but when we come back. Before,

before this is one of those things like, stand-up is one of these things like, you're a while for Ray Jail. But like Eddie Griffin, Eddie Griffin is a perfect example where like, like, you'll see certain people in movies or like TV shows and they're like become like actors and they become successful, right?

And, they're great as actors, they're whatever. But like sometimes you see their standup and then you go, oh, I totally understand why they got opportunity. Yes, yeah, yeah. Yes, you see it and you go, oh, I understand why someone would go,

please, can we make a movie with you? Yeah. Because it's so, it's lightning. Yeah. Like literally, I've never seen anything like that kind of. Yeah, yeah. Cat Williams, bro. Like you saw a guy.

William, Eddie Murphy, Patrice O'Neill would have been there. Jay Leno. I never saw Leno. Jay Leno was one of those guys that was like... That's what I heard. The best. The best. Yeah, man, it was like the best working comic.

Or Seinfeld. Like, there's just guys that got kind of blank checks for how hard they were killing. What about Conan? Conan was never a stander. No, he was a... He was a writer, right?

Yeah, he was a Lampoon guy, and then he was a writer at SNL and then got the job. Oh, wow. The Lampoon is the... Harvard Lampo. Yeah, the comedy, what, magazine? Yeah.

Yeah, but they have like a whole club out there. We're going to pay some bills, and we're going to come back and do church announcements, and then I want to play y'all the greatest living comic living today, and it's Ray J. Okay. I'm using that to real. Get the Ray J.

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The announcements are a very important part of what we do in church. All right, it's time for some church announcements. Shult, you said you had a big announcement this week. I lie. You lie. I lie. I'll announce it when I get back from the honeymoon. Oh, yeah, I go on my honeymoon next week, man.

Okay, congratulations. Thank you. That's my big announcement. You're going on the honeymoon? I'm going on my honeymoon. Michael Shea, you got any announcements? No. You don't got no shows and nothing?

No, man, I'm trying to take a break, man. I'll probably do some stand-up throughout the week, but I ain't promoting nothing. Okay. Go check out Michael Chey's HBO show. Man. That damn Michael Chey. It's really good. Check out his stand-up.

He's got specials out right now on Netflix, both of them. HBO or Netflix? I got two on Netflix. Netflix. Maybe another one soon. Okay. So go check out his stuff. He's fucking great.

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I do know what the movie is about. I just don't know. You explained that I still don't know. It's about, like, government mistrust. And, like, it's a political thriller. It's about a black man that works for the government. It's kind of, is it like a political thriller? It's crazy, man.

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Now let's get back to this show. Let's listen to the greatest comedian who I want two great comedians from this area. to be inspired by, you know, y'all talking about all of these Burrs and Harlins and rocks and Chappelle. What about Ray J? Okay?

Let's see. Listen to Ray Jizzle. You might want to start from the beginning. This is Ray J. on celebrating Pride Month. Ray J. say there needs to be more straight niggas, giving love to the gay niggas. So you ain't never said nothing that's flaps like that. That's true.

That's a fact. Let's hit it. A lot of niggas that straight, they don't be trying to shout out to the gay community and all my gay niggas the right way. So I got to do it because I want to make sure niggas know that I'm showing nothing but love. And that fuck with y'all. We have multiple businesses together. I got a lot of friends. All right.

I was talking to my nigga Dean. Now I'm checking you y'all. Listen, I just want to say that it's Gay Pride Month. Shout out to all my gay niggas. Shout out to everybody in the LGBT community. I told my niggas that it need to be more straight niggas, giving love to the gay niggas, and I hate using the word, the N-word.

But damn, does this filter got a nigga tongue, man? Yo, stop. He's giving it up. Ray, give it up. You know what I'm saying? Because I got a lot of gay friends, and I got a lot of real niggas that's gay, and we make a lot of money together,

but it ain't just about the money. It's just, niggas, it's cool. And that, you know, whether you are gay male or a gay dude and you a straight dude, whatever. But it need to be more straight niggis showing love to the community. Get to the punchline, Taylor.

It's like, you know, what you're, what's the, what you're afraid of or I don't know what it is, but there's nothing but love over here. Shout out to all the glam squads that hook us up. I can't really see. I can't really see I wear glasses, so

I can't see the comments, but I can tell you how I feel. You know what I'm saying? And I'm on my way to work. He's legally blind. And I just decided to come on live. And, you know what I'm saying? And just give all my gay people, my gay brothers, my gay sisters, give them all,

give them all their flowers, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, for me, I want to sponsor the whole gay pride month and do Ray Pride. Ray Pride. That's it. Ray Pride. Come on, man. Come on. That's the greatest.

Living comedian walking the face of the earth. He's addressing a social issue. He's picking up the current climate that we're in. We're in gay pride month. What's better than that, man? Yeah, that's amazing, bro.

I thought that he was going to be like, psych, I don't fuck with that gay shit. He's all in. He said he want to call it Ray Pride. Yeah, Ray Pride is wild. Yeah, I mean, his skin looks amazing. Yeah, yeah. Like, his skin looks so little.

Shout out to the Glam Squad. Yeah, real. Shout out to the glare squad. Isn't that stereo glowing? What's that? Gay people do more than makeup. No, that's true, but they also do makeup.

And they got his tongue looking wild red. Shout out to the glare squad. What is it put on his tongue, though? Lollipop. You see how you flirt? You gave me a little tongue in the middle of the video. Is this film to make my tongue right?

Man, let me tell you something. Shut up to Ray J. This actually is one of the best gay prize I've ever seen in my life. You know, Ray Jays is so. amazing. He's just so amazing at being incredibly straight-faced. Better than who?

Carlin. Yeah. Yeah, he's better than Carlin. Dude, remember the thing with the glasses where he's like, you can't break him? You can't break him. You can't break them. And the dude just snapped him and happened.

This is what he is. This is the guy's raw entertainment. This has been the best pride. America's greatest comedian. Yeah, they got the Gay Pride Averick. Yeah. They got the Burger King. They have a gay pride Averick.

You didn't see the gay pride Avericks? No. You been, Shea? I've been shopping in a while, apparently. Burger King got the top and bottom burgers. What? Yeah, so it's like two tops. They have two tops.

Man, stop it. I'm not making none of this shit up, bro. There's no way Burger King got bottom on bottom burgers, bro. Yeah, they do. I'm going to show you the burgers. You got to like Dick to another level to have your hamburger, have bottom, bottom, bro. Bottom, bottom?

Hold on. Low key, I want to try to top top Look, that shit, come I want top top top Come on, man No But a gay relationship would be top bottom It would never be top top top

That's why I don't understand Why no, I guess it's for the No, same sex Oh, that's what that is? Oh, I didn't know, I just thought if you was a bottom You get the bottom is the same sex It's a bun. This is ridiculous

I did not know that These people are ridiculous What do you mean? You think as a gay person Like you'd be offended by that Like Wasn't it bad to have corporate

interest in an actual struggle. Yeah, because it means it's not who are you struggling against if all the corporations got your back? Are you going to do burnt buns for February? No, they did have the black buns. Burking had the black ones at one point. Pumpernickel bread.

Yo, that'll be wild. If with Jewel teeth, they do a black bun and they have like red, green, and black seeds. That'll be wild. Yeah, it feels weird, right? It does, but what if these are gay people that are coming up with these ideas? What if these are gay people

that work in these corporations and they're coming up with these ideas? I think gay people got to be more creative than this, bro. This is straight people ideas for sure. Don't you think? Like, wouldn't gay people like it if both sides of the bum was the same? Like, that's a straight dude

trying to understand what gay people would like. Look at this. You think gay people thought of that. Gay people just came back, hey, just give me a bird. bro. I like burgers. They're good. No, I don't see. Yeah. Hey, man.

Slupt to all the gay people. I respect y'all so much because gay people would sold hot dogs. That's what they would have hot dogs. The glissie. Just do a hot dog for the month. That'd be fire, bro. That glizzy. Hell yeah. Listen, gay people are the best, bro.

Gay people take what they want. Gay people got 70% of the alphabet is theirs now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They took the rainbow. The rainbow is there. When you see a rainbow,

you don't even think of God's promise no more. Wait, is that what the rainbow used to be? Yes, what did you think? I didn't know there was any religious implication

whatsoever. Yes, man. After Noah built the ark and then after the flood, there was a rainbow, and it was a rainbow to promise that God will never flood the earth again.

Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, a few floods. Yeah. Promises kept, promises delivered. There's not the last flood.

It was not the last flood. To that magnitude. What do y'all think of Lori Harvey and Michael B. Jordan's breakup? Friend of yours, Michael B. Jordan? No. What do you think? What do I think about their breakup? Yeah.

I felt it was wrong how they did him at the Warriors game. Why do people even tie the two together, though? He was just saying. Do you follow Graham Wizard chat, and then I can't say the word on Instagram? He's the best following Instagram. What's the fault? He posts some picture of, uh, I just said it, but there's the unword at the end.

Oh, and he's just the best. He's just fucking hilarious. And he had the video of Michael B. Jordan, like, at the front row. And, like, for whatever reason, he kind of looks like he's getting choked up a little bit. And it was like, just the new Michael B. Jordan crying meme or some stupid shit like that. Dude. Well, damn, what happened? I don't know what happened.

I just know Steve Harvey's making jokes. All I know is white women are happy, man. Why? Does he get Michael B. Gordon back, baby? Isn't Steve, well, Lori Harvey's his daughter, right? Yeah, this is his daughter. I didn't know that.

What? Yeah. You didn't know Lori Harvey was Steve Harvey's daddy? He never mentioned it on some of the shoe. No, I mean, y'all didn't know Steve Harvey was Lori? I never heard him talk about that. Well, how would I know that? And that's why y'all can't get mad at Jack Harlow.

You know what I'm saying? What did Jack Harlow do? He didn't know Brandy and Ray J was brother and sister. That's reasonable. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. He's 20 years old. Yeah.

They haven't been brother and sister for 10 years, minimum. Like, you know, culturally. You know what I mean? Like Ray J got the headphones. Brandy doing what she's doing. No, that's true. No, that is a great point. And I don't know why people don't understand that to a certain generation,

they know Ray J. more. But I also like only know Lori Harvey from like pictures. Like I don't know what, is she in actors or? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I guess that's why I know from pictures. Well.

Michael B. Jordan goes to white women and never comes back. You know why now. You think Lori did it? No, I'm serious. Okay. If he goes back to white women, this. Look at that stash, bro. That's a hell of a stash.

He's going back to white women. That's the, that's an Apollo Creed stand. For Steve Harvey, oh, he's trying to get her back, you're saying? Yo, that's, I don't know him that well, but he's a lot. He got to wear the big suits. He got to come through with the big suits. That's hilarious. He joined with his must-ass.

He's like Steve Harvey to try to. Rested purple suit. That's the reason you take me back. That's the only way. So. Oh, that's fucking hilarious. Michael Cheater's been rumors that you might leave S&L. Any truth to that?

No. I'm not leaving. I'm coming back. You said that emphatically. I'm not leaving. Not leaving. No, I, yeah, I'm a stay. We have, I'm laughing because.

I try. I'm laughing because me and Andrew were arguing about it. I was like, I'm out. And he was like, you're sure? Every time I talk to him, we have like a yearly catch up. And he's like, yeah, this is the last year, bro. I'm gone. It was, though.

It was. It was, it was. Five years running? No, it was my contract was up and I was, I was out. But we negotiated a different type of situation. Like more money? It wasn't the money. It was a rich motherfucker.

No, no, honestly, it was more the time. I just wanted time to produce more, be able to produce and develop other projects. And they kind of hooked it up where I don't have the same demand, I think. Yeah. We'll see. I mean, that's all remains to be seen. I think once you're in the building, you never know. But so far it feels good.

But doesn't that such a good space to do that? Because it feels like they allow their talent to go do other things. Yeah, man. I mean, especially recently, I think. I mean, I always like, I never disliked us, no, or, you know, working there was just more so I felt like it ate up a lot of time where I can't tour as much or I can't, you know, I can't write as much. You know, kind of sucks up a lot of your energy, but hopefully this situation's a little bit more comfortable. That's why, Andrew. You think he's lying?

Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. Of course he's lying. But you would have had to announce it already. You've got to make an hour and a half TV show every week. It's insane. It's insane. There's no way they're going to be like,

why don't you do a part-time? How much are you involved in, though? I mean, I know you do a weekend update. Yeah, well. And then you're the head writer, but what does that consist of? Well, it's a lot of, a lot of meetings,

a lot of, you know, kind of decision-making and covering for the cast and stuff. It's a lot. It's also stressful. It's like, I always say it's like,

it's like planning a wedding every week because, you know, it's extremely important and special for that, host and then we have another one who's extremely you know what I mean, invested in it the following week and the following week. So it's a lot that kind of culminates to one moment live on television and if it's bad, you know,

you kind of have a thick skin about it. And then when it's great, you don't get no credit. Like you don't. Yeah, you do. Like Kim, Kim Kardashian delivers a great monologue. Yeah, yeah. And the first thing I hear is, well, you know, Dave Chappelle and Michelle Wolf wrote that for her.

I'm like, well, what about the guys and women that's there every week? You know what I'm saying? No, no, but they did, though. I went back and forth with Michelle a lot about that. But a lot goes into that. You know, like, Michelle really held that down. Like, I was, it was, I don't know how she did that. That was like, it was kind of dope to see.

Oh, she did it on her own? Between her and Dave, but I was talking to her more. So Dave is impossible to sometimes. Like, he's, you know, he's always busy. yeah, they really came through for that one. But even when a sketch, a bit of something slaps, I guess you don't care though. You're the head writer.

You don't care if you get credit, right? SNL is something that gets appreciated sort of in the past. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like it may feel like it kind of all goes away, but then when you lead, they're like, oh, man, remember what you used to? You know, like all of that stuff, because, like, there's bits on SNL

that people still talk about from 40 years ago, literally, you know what I mean, or 30 years ago or five years ago. And you kind of, we do so much of the show that it's impossible to keep up, you know, and especially now with everything's so cyclical. And there's so much content that if a sketch sticks out, that's pretty impressive.

So how do you know when it's time to walk away? Like, from a show like SNL? Because, I mean, it can range, right? You can be somebody like Keenan who's there for 19, 20 years. But I mean, somebody like Rock who was there for what? A season? How long was Rock there? Maybe three.

Like three to a three? Yeah. About three years. How do you decide when you're in your excellent zone? Is that one of excellence? How do you decide if you're in your zone of excellence? But the time I knew this is coming. I knew this is coming.

You open up the excellence to genius. No, he said that. But yeah, I do. Yeah. No, I think it's. I just selfishly, I say this to you all the time. I just selfishly, I'm like, I would love to see. what you could create with all the time.

I don't even know how you're putting together enough material to have specials while you're doing these things. It's like, you're right, you're right. Fucking mind boggling. And you know,

I celebrate you a lot. You notice. I appreciate that. So, so, and it's real. And like what? Respect. Respect.

But I'm just saying, like, I know, I'm a busy guy too, right? Yeah, yeah. And I know it's a drain. And I'm just like,

selfishly, like, man, I'd be really cool to see what Mike did with a year. I can see why show it says that. Oh, word. Based off the TV show alone, I can see why show's what you see it. You start to see it. It's something that I'm working on now.

But also, too, I do, like, you know, S&O is addictive, man. It's like, it's literally. Really? Yo, it's live television. It's the, it's the, just think about, like, I know, I'm just sound like a, like a show right now. But honestly, what comedy show is covered like this, where people know who's on it, people,

write about what happened. Even if it's bad, they write about that it's bad. They write about when it's good. They write about what you know these moments of the show. It's not, there's not that much event television anymore, man. It's not a point in television. Everybody's watching at the same time. Everybody's

following at the same time. Everybody's talking about it. They talk about it's a fucking gangy gang. You know what I mean? So it is something about having that moment or having that opportunity or that platform to be able to lock in. It's a great compliment when something happens Monday or Tuesday

and everybody's like, oh, I can't wait to see, you know, you get messages, what y'all gonna do about? I'm sure it's similar, you know, for you guys where they're like, they can't wait to see y'all dig into some shit. And it's a platform that you can still kind of do that

on a global scale, which is kind of dope. So that is cool. But now that you've seen that like, I mean, when we first started, probably when you first started working on SNL, like the climate was different, the opportunity was different.

It was harder to get like your creativity out there. Sure. And now with the internet, you've seen, like, probably even your own stand-up clips go viral out of nowhere. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, shit. I imagine you must think, like, oh, shit, I could just create things myself and then have this same viral impact when I want. Mm-hmm. And if you know you could do it on SNL, then you can do it yourself.

I do think that, I think that's true, but I also think that it's still, I don't know, it's still something about it. It feeds everything else you know. I feel like Darth Vader right now. I'm trying to drag you into the dark side. I know, I know. You've been, but also we're from the same place. Yes. So to me, I like it.

I like, I like that there's spaces where I could go everywhere. You know what I mean? I can do that. I could go to work, but also I can put on my hard hat and get it out of the mud, too. Is there, is there ever like, and I always wonder this, do you ever feel like a social responsibility? Like, you being there. have given more opportunities

to different music groups or different, even cast members. It's funny you say that because when you first said that, I was going to immediately say no. And then when you said that other part, I was like, oh, yeah, actually, I do think that there is some merit to that

because when I first started at SNL, I was the only black writer there. Yeah. And it was Keenan and Jay and the cast. Yeah. And, you know, what people don't realize is it's like when you, well, you would obviously realize it maybe, but a lot of people don't realize what I didn't realize initially.

It's like, you come in these rooms and you're the only black voice there or the only kind of black ears, not even voice, black ears, where something could be very funny and specific and nuance. And if they're just not in the culture. They don't get it. They don't know. They don't get it. They're culturally clueless people.

Yeah. There's times, you know what I mean? And also, even if it's not, it's not even just skin color. But sometimes it's just background. Sometimes there'll be a black person there that's culture with cool. You know what I mean? There's going to be certain. And vice versa.

And vice versa, it goes the other way. What this is? I'm like, I don't know what the fuck this is. But if I was a 22-year-old white college student, I would be like, this is perfect. You know what I mean? So like there's times, that's what I love about the show is that now I do think there's a good mix of backgrounds where, you know, Chris Red could do something or I could do something or, you know, ego could do something. And it could be what it is. It doesn't have to be like, well, how do we make older white people understand this?

You know what I mean? We're like, no, no, no, this is funny. And being head writer or being, you know, in those meetings, I could say, yeah, we should get Gerard in or yeah, we should get, you know what I mean? Chappelle and or yeah, I think we should, whatever, you could kind of be that extra voice of reason for, that might have been ignored. How are you not? Like a lot of times it's like a, I want to say it's not racist, but it's more like institutional where it's like you end up kind of like hiring your friends and you don't even consider what somebody could feel about something because they're not in the room to give any pushback or give

any praise. And then like you have someone like you in there and all of a sudden you get to start hiring the people that you believe in or at least suggesting the people that you believe in. And then those other people are in the room going, oh wow, I didn't even think about it from this perspective. Yeah, we need more of that perspective. And then through osmosis, you create this thing. For sure, for sure.

And especially when you see it work, then they know that's a thing that can work. When you guess right, then they're looking for more of it. So it absolutely is something. But again, you don't go in thinking that. You go, as a comedian, you go in thinking, I'm just trying to write something funny. Yeah.

Well, I'm just trying to bring in people who I think will be funny. Right. That's it. That's the extent. It's not your primary goal. Yeah, you never, that's never that. But you must have felt it like after years of being. there and like seeing a little impact.

Like you didn't think about it until I asked you. I can't believe that. Just when you said it, I didn't think about it, but like once you finish your sentence, I was like, yeah, kind of. When you walk in a room with the only black person,

you know you bring in something unique more than likely. You don't, yeah, but you don't, you don't know what you are until somebody tells you in a lot of cases, you know, like I don't walk in thinking, well, I'm the only black guy here, or I'm the black guy. here, you kind of know that later on. You know it selfishly as a comedian.

When you're on stage, you're alone. You're not the only black guy. You're not the guy, whatever. You're just trying to do what you're trying to do. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like when you walk into these rooms, you're just trying to do the jokes. And then once they're not working, you're like, oh, this is too black. Oh, I can't say.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like, oh, okay, I got it. I'm probably because I'm black. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, but it do, it happens like that. You're like, you write, because I started as a writer. I wasn't just, I wasn't performing none of the jokes. So if I'm writing a sketch, there's words certain actors can't say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're reminded that you're black. You're reminded. Then you find out, oh, that's right. I'm the only nigga here. Like, this should be funnier, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think you're lying. I just don't believe you.

Like, when you walk in a room shows, yeah. And you're, like, you're the only white person. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you're pretty sure you're the only white person. person. You know, it's funny, I walk into this podcast every single week and I'm the only white person. This might be different, though, because this is our space. But you guys are my friends. Like, I think once you know people, do you feel like the only white person right now? No. That's what I'm, that's my point. But, but you guys are all my friends. So I'm walking into a group of friends. I'm

walking into a room with friends. If it was complete strangers and I walk in. Yeah. You know, I'll probably leave as soon as I can, you know, just for safety for my own. same thing, you know. When you in a meeting, if you go into like a meet, like a pitch meeting or some shit like that, do you feel like you have, do you, are you always conscious of, all right, it scores two to four? Yeah. Are you really?

You think, I told you all that. I've written about, I wrote about that in my second book just because like, man, I mean, I guess because of the era that we're in and it's so stupid. And this is why you got to disconnect from social media because it's like you always feel like this audience is with you. I think it might be some also to you from the South, right? Yeah. That's also a different thing.

Oh, 100%. I think New York City is a little bit different where there's no such thing as like black and white rooms. It's kind of all integrated everywhere. You know what I mean? I can think of times me and my wife walked into like a restaurant in our hometown when we was young because we've been together forever. So we walked in this restaurant.

It was called the Barony House and most of Connecticut is still there, I believe. And like literally just whiteness. All the patrons, everybody working there. And as soon as we walked in, we looked like, yeah, We're not staying here. And the host is like southern white shit. They're wearing like khakis and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The host is like, why y'all leaving? College polos? Yeah, boat shoes, dude. The white hostess said that's, oh, why are you leaving? Because you're black? No. Yeah. Because you noticed.

They felt that comfortable? Yeah, and she's like, now come in. I'm like, no. But, no, it's not even that she felt that comfortable. She must have known who you were. No, I was, I was nobody. Oh, wow. She was aware of the,

are uncomfortable. You know what I mean? So yes, I think it is something with the stuff. You know what's weird is like, yeah, discomfort in spaces. Sometimes I'll feel that if I'm like, if I'm in New York and I walk into a place is predominantly black, but it's just New York, I don't feel it at all.

If I'm like in like Connecticut and I walk in with like a bougie-ass like country club and it's predominantly white, I'll probably feel like a little discomfort just because like I don't, I might not know all the etiquette or like I might not know like the elevator talk as well. You know, so for me, I guess it's like specific cultures.

But if I walked into like a like everybody African, Nigeria, just Nigerians. I'm maybe, oh wow, I'm distinctly not culturally in line with what's going on in this room. But if I'm just walking into like a fucking sneaker shop and I'm the only white guy, I'm like not even. I think we all do. I think about it that much. Like if we're in a room and it's one woman, it's like, yo guys, look alive. You know what I'm saying? Like don't say nothing crazy, you know what I mean?

Like just try to make her as comfortable as possible. Like I think something has to happen for you to, like, if I, if I enter a room, there's one woman, I might say something, then hear it and be like, oh, shit, there's a lady, my bad. You know what I mean? Like, whatever it is or anything racially or classwise, would I be like, oh, you got to think about it for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a kid in there. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, there's a child here. You're being in the barbershop all the time. Being in the barbershop, you're in there talking shit, you know, getting your head cut and music. Fucking fuck you. Shoot everybody. They're like, yo, yo, yo, yo, kid just walked in. Turn down. Oh, yo, old woman or something like that.

Yeah. What if Trump said? That was just barbershop talk. I think he did say that. No, he said it was locker room talk. What if he said barbershop talk with a hit a little. That would a slap. That would a slap.

That would have a slap. Are you kidding? Are you? Yeah. He's not wrong. You know why? Everybody goes to the barbershop. I ain't ever been to no goddamn locker room.

I've got a fucking athlete to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the barbershop, you understand that point of reference. You get it. That's deep, man. I would have understood a little bit better. You miss Trump, don't you? No, I don't miss him.

A little. No, I didn't. Saturday night lies, Michael Chase, said he misses Trump. I miss having hope in Biden. Yeah. Oh, that's done. I don't think we ever had it, though. I think, I think the hope.

I don't think we had hope and Biden. I miss the, you know. I don't think there was ever hope in Biden. Yeah. I think people just wanted Trump out, but there was never actual hope in Biden. I think there was hoping not Trump. But I don't know if it was. I'll give you that.

All right, maybe that's a better way to say. It's going to be better without him. And it's calm, I don't know, it's calmer without him, without a doubt. What, Trump? Without Trump, yeah. Oh, Trump is, was a psycho. Yeah, like the environment is just, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, bro, are you kidding?

You think it's not, but you, you, like, know who congressmen are. Like, you're really political, like, but the average person doesn't even know what's going on political. That's wild. Bro, I thought you were saying for, like, a month, cinnamon, when you were saying cinema. and I googled cinnamon and I was like, who the fuck is this congressman cinnamon?

I didn't even know it was spelled starting as dead ass. So I just think like without him there, everybody's been able to detach politically. I do think it did feel a lot like the difference between having a bad leader and having no leader.

What would you rather have? Bad parents or no parents? It feels like we have no leader now. That's my point. It feels like with Trump, we had a terrible leader, and now we have no leader, and it's almost like... I mean, what do you said? No show is better than a bad show?

I don't know what they said. I don't know. You wouldn't agree. Y'all wouldn't agree with that because y'all say y'all like bombing. Do I want bad parents? We never said we like that. No, we never said we like this. We said it's necessary.

It's necessary, but nobody likes it. No show or the bad show. No leadership or bad leadership. Sometimes you got to go through bad leadership and bad shows to get. get to a good place. Well, America's dead now because, boy, I think, I personally think this is my personal opinion. The news, the media, when Trump was in office, it was nuts.

Like everything was non-stop. All the niggas made some money, too. But here's the thing. They made things World War III that shouldn't have been World War III. Ah, because it was so polarized. Now it's actually some shit that should be World War III, like literally. And we don't care. Yeah.

Inflation is through the roof. Gas prices of sky, motherfucking high. You know, you see the mass shootings, abortion rights are being threatened, voting rights that might not be around. Like, now is the time to really be ringing the alarm, but they're not, which is so strange to me. Yeah.

Who are you going to call? Ghostbusters. Who are you going to call? There's nobody that's like, there's no what feels like an adult in charge. There's no hand on your shoulder that's like, everything's going to be right. We're under control.

You could trust us. And we haven't had that. I don't think since Obama, and whether you liked Obama or not, he did give you that sense of security. Media bodies in charge that care. Media was different, though. Yeah.

Well, I'm sure that... Media was different. I'm sure the media attacked him like crazy, too. For sure. The right thing he was attacking Obama. I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about our media intent. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't taking as much... By the way, Barack Obama doesn't even win the presidency if social media is the way it is now. Who do you think? They would have... He didn't believe in gay marriage. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but back then, nobody did.

Do you exist within, like, the normalcy of the time? Yeah. Like, by his second turn, he did? You got to think there's a lot of black people that don't want gay marriage. Yeah, but there's a lot of, you can win an election with all. You can with them. Sure, you can, but you can win a lot of red states.

If he was going to win the blue states, no matter what, he would have turned a lot of red states, blue or purple in that, in that instance, because, you know, culturally, you know, we don't all think the same. But the red states couldn't get past the black thing in a lot of cases. Yeah, but it might have if you say he doesn't like gay marriage. This guy's on to something. This guy right here.

I want a regular burger burger. You don't know the two bun shit. That's what the fuck would have. Doesn't that fucking commercial sound like what a guy would say if he was explaining why gay sex is wrong to his kid? What? Like, we never eaten two buns of the burger? Right?

Like, is that real? Is that a real thing Burger King's doing? That's a real ad, Al? That's wild. That's wild. All right. This is what Biden has, has shown me. Is that like,

that's so fucking crazy. The visual of the father trying to explain it to the kids. It's hilarious, right? It's what gay sex is like. See that hamburger? What if it just had two of the bottom parts? Wouldn't that be weird? Wouldn't that be strange?

Wouldn't God hate that? Can God eat that hamburger? It's just meat in the middle. Yeah. be disgusting. But if you have one top bun and one bottom bun, everything fits perfectly,

doesn't it? Right? Like, that's how... That's the whole point. That's how I'm going to explain sex to my kid, bro. Hey, these buns identify however you want them to identify.

Oh, man. It's not even a wafer. This is a chicken sandwich. Now, Biden showed me it. He's not touching. I am not reading about this shit tomorrow. You forget about it.

Michael Jay mostly stayed mum. Shout out to Ray Jake. Shut out of Ray Jain, bro. What you were thinking? No, that Biden showed me that we don't really, like the ship keeps moving. That's what, like, I thought we really need a president. And, like, I really did think it.

And now I'm realizing that I just don't know who's in charge. That's, isn't that comforting? No. Even if nobody's in charge, the shit still keeps moving. It's not really moving. To me, that's the most comforting. Because now don't matter who's president, everything is going to keep going the way it always is. People are going to be upset at the same.

We still upset at abortion. We still upset at gun rights. We still upset at cops fucking killing everybody. We still upset at all these fucking things. All of that is easier when the economy state. Say again? All of that's a little easier when your economy. Say that, bro.

Yeah, all of that's a little easier when your economy. If the economy was good, everybody would be fine about it. Because it's making crime go up. You know what I mean? Like, we're having to deal with things that we shouldn't have to deal with. I read a story today where it was a guy robbed six people in Milwaukee, killed all six of the people. Yeah.

And then put on the person's shades in the house and took a fucking selfie. That's wild. All for some cash, guns, drugs, and sunglasses. You saw that 12-year-old white kid robbed the gas station? Really? And the woman didn't even think it was real and looks at him and goes, are you being serious? Oh, I did see that video.

And he just lets off a shot. Yeah. He watched too many movies. Yeah, he really did. When you said to the motherfucking off-sticking, he's shooting there. Yes, wow, man. That's what I'm saying.

So when the economy is stable and, you know, people got some money in their pockets, I don't know. It's different. You think that's, you think it's an economic thing? Yes. I think people are more apt to be okay when the economy is good.

And when a comedy is bad, they start looking at all the, just put it in your own stresses in your life. You've been through times where you probably didn't have that much money. Everything's stressful. Yeah, but I don't think there's ever been a time where people didn't have money. I think like. But there are people without money. Yeah, but I'm saying I think like,

you've been rich a long time making a comment like that, Michael Shea. No, it's true. I mean, I don't ever remember a time where I was like, all the economy's amazing, everybody's doing great. Even when it, when statistically it seemed that way from where I'm from, it never felt like everybody's doing great now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I think all of that feels relative, but it's the same pockets.

I just think the crimes are getting more and more bizarre. They don't, it's not even like shit that I could comprehend. It's not, oh, guy, Rob's liquor store. It's like, motherfucker shoots up Walmart, doesn't take a dime. You're like, what, why? What? And then another one? And then another one?

And then another one? I don't, it don't even seem like a, um, a motherfucker. a money thing. I think that shows you how bad it is, though, because people are acting out of frustration. So they're literally just projecting pain. So it's like, if I want to, I'm hurting, so fuck that, I want to hurt you too.

That's what it feels like. I think people are consuming too much information and they're going insane. I second that too. Yeah, I think people are literally driving themselves insane with how much content they're consuming. I agree with that because it's social media. I agree with that.

And you don't know. what you're taking it. And then like, what is the process? They're like, why does that drive you insane? I think, I think there was a time where you'd read a newspaper, you know what I mean, and that was how you got your news, or you took a walk. And you took a walk, and you went to work or whatever. You said about the thing in the newspaper that was in and maybe you go home and you watch

the news and like, wow, that's crazy. When all you're feeding yourself is just insanity, you start to see crimes repeated, repeat it. And you're like, wait a minute, they just talked about a motherfucker who did this. You're telling me the guy that just did it the second time didn't see what that guy did. And I think it's a lot of copycat shit. It's a lot of, I agree with that. I think people are finding connection and other bouts of insanity.

Yeah. And they're starting to feel like we're in the insane crew. You know what I mean? And they feel connected and they're starting to repeat this shit over and over again because all they're doing is consuming information about. You think it's also two people who are desensitized, desensitized the violence? Because when I read that story in Milwaukee, I'm like, you know how wild, and he's only 34, by the way. You know how wild you got to be to kill six people, leave them in the house for three days, steal they shit and try their shit on and take selfies with it? Like police are like, that's wow.

That steps the game up. What do you mean, Michael Chase? I see. You stepped the game. You step the game up. Now you're the craziest. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They're trying to one-up one-off. Now you're the crazy guy. See, that's why comedians, I hate when they take the beat. Because you just leave it at these steps.

That's the game up. Yeah. You chuckle. You know, you can't help but chuckle. Yeah. That's what it is. I truly think that people are starting outdo themselves. And it's kind of sad to watch, and I wish the coverage wasn't as insane.

It's got to be something in it. But the coverage comes from this. It's not even news outlets reporting this shit most of the time. It's the guy. It's convenient store cameras and this guy taking the selfie and you got to tie the two together. This guy takes a selfie posting on social media. Yeah. You got a tie to two stories together.

You think if that guy didn't have Wi-Fi, he would have committed that crime? He still did it. You think so? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because he was thawed. He wanted to, he didn't. He was a robbery.

So he wanted something. They had more than him. He wanted some of it. He probably wouldn't have took a selfie, though. Probably wouldn't have took a selfie. Yeah. It's a strange world we live in. Yeah.

And it even makes sense of this shit, even to try to make sense of this shit will drive you crazy. Yeah. I don't know. All right, guys. Let's do some ads. I don't know why I got so sad

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Amber Hurd? She poop. How many people do you think is going to shit on beds now that they found out about Amber Hurd? You don't think that's ever going to happen again? Oh, 100%. You don't think that has anything to do with it? Yeah. You know why I don't care about the Amber Hurd case?

Why? Because I was watching CNN on the day that the Tulsa hospital shooting happened. Yeah. And you're watching the Tulsa shooting happen, right? So there's all of these, you already had Buffalo, we had Texas. And I'm watching. I'm like, damn. another one in the fucking hospital, yada.

And then all of a sudden, you see breaking news. And you're like, well, what the fuck is about to happen? Like, this is breaking news during the to Tulsa shooting. What the fuck is about to happen? And it's the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case? Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Yeah.

Who cares? Like, the breaking, dude breaking news on CNN. Then I turned on Fox. And Fox had the Johnny Depp Amber Heard thing going on. She lost $15 million. That's kind of funny. Yeah. It's hilarious.

She will try to get $100 million at loss. 15. And now she don't have it. Johnny Debt McEltsy that money. But I guess it was his money anyway. He gave her he gave her eight. Yeah. And she's got eight, I think. I guess it's the first of it. $8 million.

That's it. Let's do some ask the nidious, Taylor, if we lose everybody. Oh. Two live crew lost their freedom of speech case. How would hip hop sound today? That's from Jeffrey Knows with a Z event. Let's do the Michael question for us.

Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Where does Michael Chee? Trivi 2X's. Where does Michael Chey rank his S&L group versus the past groups? Oh, that's a really good question. Again, I think every cast is appreciated retroactively. So I'm going to say very high.

And I know that people will be like, oh, get the fuck out of here. But I think once you start to see everybody's career after this, you'll start to realize how many fucking stars we actually had in this. group. Now, granted, we've had 20 cast members in this group, so it's a lot more, you know, opportunity to get some great stuff there. But I think what Cessley can do, what Kate could do with 80 and Keenan and, and Chris and Pete and even Leslie, who was, you know, just there a couple years ago, I think people will appreciate it a lot more. In five years, people would be like, damn, we had a lot of, we had a lot of women. No, that's real. And even even you look at Heidi,

you look at ego. I mean, so many, so much talent. It's also tough to compare it back in the day because there was so much fewer famous people back in the day. Yeah, and you also, you compare it to their movie careers too. Yeah. You know, if you say Tina Fey, you think dirty rock and you know what I mean? You think of so much other shit.

Yeah. So I think once, you know, we've had a chance to have our careers outside of the show people who appreciate how much talent was actually there. Damn, shows. The guest telling them to quit might be to be the, right thing then. I'm telling them, bro. San Cheez, he says, is S&L considered a white show? I think

it's considered a national show and in a white nation. Well handled. It reflects the country, that's an excellent answer. It reflects the country. That is a phenomenal answer.

That's what it is. Let's get a couple more, Taylor. We get up out here. Jeffrey knows if two See, that's not a two-minute answer. If the two-live crew lost their freedom of speech case, how would hip-hop sound today? When we talk about people who don't get there just do, Uncle Luke and Two-Live Crew is one of them.

Because there's no parental advisory stickers on albums if it's not for Uncle Luke. That shit should really be a movie. Word. Like, it literally should be a movie. It really changed the course of hip-hop. I don't know what hip-hop would be. I guess more people would be in jail because they used to lock you up.

You perform certain songs, certain places. they arrest your ass, you know what I mean? Certain things wouldn't get played on the radio. It would have... That's not just hip-hop. That's going to be all music. All music, yes. He changed music.

Rock music, everything. Like, that set of precedent for all of it. So music is completely different. Music owes a tremendous debt of gratitude to Hcuhn- 100%. That's right. What the fuck? Let's end on this one.

Thanks to first say it. Is the phrase, happy wife, happy life, a sign of toxic. Yes, and there is nothing funnier than toxic femininity. Bro, what was that shit we were looking up the other day? Toxic. Oh, yeah. So, like, there's these things, like, there's this trend of, like, the things that men can do, like, one little thing that makes women not want to fuck them at all, like, ever again.

And there was this, like, Twitter trend. And these girls were absolutely fucking hilarious, bro. Like, like, if you were eating, like, pasta with red sauce and that shit ends up on a corner of your mouth, like, no. like they just kept going through one after another of like little tiny things men can do what was the other shit like if you got to blow in your suit before you eat it like

like you blow on your soup so it's just like all toxic femininity and it was the funniest fucking thing do you have that list what was it the ick I remember if you bend down and pick something up weird oh yeah if you bend at the waist

to pick something up or something like that it was like it was like it was women judging men like men judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just fucking amazing. This is what happens when you can't say gay slurs anymore. What do you say?

One gay slur would have killed that whole thing. That's what they really want to say to us. That's the truth. They really got one word they want to call it. Say what you really feel, women. Yeah, man. Happy pride months. Say it.

Call me a gay, Jay. Happy wife, happy life, a sign of toxic femininity, Michael Shea? I don't even know what it. Happy wife, happy, oh, I guess that's saying that putting your wife's villains first. I'm not married. You're right. It should be a compromise, but they're really right.

Like, I don't know. I'm going to be so sad when I'm 55, 60 years old, bro. When why? Just because I'm the only guy in the house. Yeah. That's a lot, bro. Like, I don't think y'all understand what I go through. What do you go?

Like this weekend, my daughter had like two of her friends over, and my wife just looks at me and goes, you know, this is just the beginning of, you know, your house being overrun by women. I'm like, it's been overrun by women. Wait until they start cycling, bro. Right? And so is y'all flicking of his hand?

You have a stroke? I didn't work it. I was working. I said, yeah, it's, yeah. And so my wife is like, so imagine when, because there's two of my oldest daughters friends over. And my wife is like, so imagine when your, you know, our second has friends over and your third has friends over. And I'm like, holy shit, I got to get a dog. Why?

Just so you can have some male energy? Gotta see a dick, bro. That's what I'm talking about, bro. Let them know, bro. Let them know, bro. Come on. Come on, Che. Come on, Che.

Come on, Che. Prime Mark. I'm saying, bro. Stop being such a top, dog, you're such a top. You know,

you're like, you need to see a dick every once in a while, dog. I feel you, dude. It is what it is, bro.

Just want to be with the homies. Oh. Seeing that dicks and shit. Hey, yo. As always, if you look to this podcast, you take we're smart,

you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you look at this podcast, you think we're just a couple of idiots you don't know shit, you're right to. Michael Chee, thank you for coming.

Yo, thank you for having me. Make sure you watch this show on HBO Max. Phenomenal show. I'm not just saying that because, you know, we're in an episode. It's a really, really good show. And it's the type of comedy I like because it talks about things that are going on, social issues. Amen.

In a really smart way. And check out the specials too. I appreciate y'all, man. Thank you so much. For sure, for sure. It's a brilliant of this podcast. Peace.