The Brilliant Idiots - Class Rank

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

This week on Brilliant Idots, Loren Lorosa joins Charlamagne tha God and they  break down Complex's 2026 Most Powerful People in Hip Hop Media list. Is DJ Akademics the rightful No. 1? Is DJ Hed and Gina Views criminally underranked? And where does Breakfast Club fit in a landscape where hip hop is pop culture? Plus, Isaiah Rashad's return, the Rihanna x Sheinelle Jones Met Gala moment everyone's talking about, Taraji and Jenifer Lewis calling out the Met Gala, and the US Census interracial couple rankings that took the whole show off the rails. ************************************ Sponsor Brilliant Idiots: ⁠⁠https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/brilliant-idiots⁠⁠ Jess Hilarious - Til Death Do We Parent - ⁠Pre Order⁠ 2Chainz - The Voice in my head is God - ⁠⁠Pre Order⁠⁠ The Black Family Who Built America - Cheryl McKissack Daniel -⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Uncommon Favor - Dawn Staley - ⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Get Honest or Die Lying Why Small Talk Sucks- By Charlamagne Tha God - ⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Check out Andrew Schulz - ⁠⁠www.theandrewschulz.com⁠⁠ Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" - ⁠⁠https://blackeffect.com⁠⁠ Checks out AlexxMedia ⁠AM Mornings⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yep, Charlemagne the God. Back for another week of the Brilliant Idiot podcast. My guy Hesichaya Walker is not here this week. I don't know what the hell, Hesie is doing. What is Hesley doing, Alex? Netflix is a joke. Oh, yes, the Netflix is a joke festival was this week. I completely forgot about that.

Yeah, a lot of really popular comedians are out there. Andrew Schult. I saw 85 South Show. They got a set. Nanele Riles. He had a set. I don't know why anybody would let Donnell headline anything. No.

He headlined his own set at Netflix. This is a joke. But L.L. Cool Bay, Lauren La Rosa is here. Good morning, Lauren Larosa. Hello. How you feeling? I feel good. You just ate.

Taylor Gang is here. Chris Monroe is here. Tell her crazy. On the way here, tell us that she don't care about getting married. Oh, my. That is not at all what I said. You know, as soon as we got on the podcast. What did you say?

I said, I don't know if we want to, I want to plan a wedding. That's nothing about married. That's crazy. How would that make you feel if you was. the groom to be. You are a demon. You don't think that's crazy? Why? I don't want to plan that I don't want to plan a wedding. Oh, that's what you said. It's probably better. Huh? Imagine Taylor wedding. Excuse me? Fire. Oh, my wedding will be your brisela. Now you're trying to make me try to plan a wedding. Fire. I believe in you. I think that you could do it Taylor. I can't, but I'm not,

I'm really not a planner. Like, so this is going to be a big task for me. But you got to be careful, though, because, you know, if P. gets a wedding planner, you hear the stories about grooms who plan the wedding and the wedding planner, right? And what? What happens, Salamein? Oh, you didn't know that?

Google that shit. That's like a statistic. It'd be fucking a wedding planters. Because wedding, I'm, it's something with wedding plan is your wedding plan. Yeah. Tell her listen. I'm dead-ass serious. First of all, my man is very strong

and confident in himself. He don't need extra pussy to make him feel like a man or anything. It's about extra pussy. extra discount that he might get from fucking the goddamn wedding planner. What's the extra? Slates cost a lot. Yes. He could charm the girl all he wants, but doesn't mean that he about to have sex with her.

No, but that's a thing. That's a thing with wedding plan. Yes, it is. No, it's not a thing. It's not a thing. It's a thing. It's not a thing. It's no way.

There's also wedding planners that are gay. It's wedding planners, it's birthday planners. It's any woman who. It's any woman who. Reeves. Okay, well, let him get a gay wedding. Maybe get a gay wedding planner might work. Hey.

But regardless, we have a wedding planner, I mean, I'm going to have a wedding planner, but I still have to approve, like, it's still a lot. We're about to... You want to approve the girl to heat folks. That's right. My God. I'm just trying to figure out what are you saying right now, Taylor. What if it's a really good discount?

Yes. Excuse me? Like, first of all. You had to think about it. You had to think about it. You had to think about it because technically y'all not married. You know what I'm saying? So it's either the wedding planner or the bachelor party.

One of the two. He got to get some last rocks off somewhere. This is. First of all, no, he don't. Stop playing with me. First of all, my fiance don't play about me or his family. So don't ever try to put that in. I have the utmost favor of him.

I'm just telling you about that person, the wedding plan. What's the statistics say? There is no statistic, but they say that it is normally the storyline that is involved in most weddings with wedding planners because 90% percent of nearly 90 percent of wedding planners in the U.S. are female. And most couples are focused on managing the stress and expense. So that's how it all starts. Yeah, she kind of rubbing on shoulders. Oh, I know it's stressful, but it's so good that you're... Very emotional time, too. You know what I'm saying? A lot of family issues, people not getting invited, spending with a lot of

kids. Yeah, y'all are mad right now. And we haven't even hired nobody yet. Like, we're about to go pull up on sis, all right? And they put a lot of sauce on it because they know that men don't normally playing the wedding. So it's like a thing, yo. There's predators everywhere, is all I'm telling you. Oh, so it's like,

oh my God. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. You better get in the game, Taylor. You let him plan that wedding by himself if you want to. You better get in a fucking game, Taylor games.

You always got into those like an old school. You know why he wants this mortgage? He just wants to talk at the wedding. I should be allowed to speak at the wedding. You really shouldn't. Your mother already. told me that I should speak about it. No, she did not.

I just want to say, man, we never thought we would see today, right? I was going to say that at my, at the podium right there, like, y'all thought y'all was going to see this, huh? See what I'm saying? You didn't have faith in yourself that you was going to get married? Not really. Can I tell the story about you need a pillow princess? Just as a, just as a wedding? No.

No, but just as an example of why we never thought we knew. No. How wild and reckless used to be in these streets. Please, though. That'd be phenomenal. At this point, it's giving you might get a Zoom invite. What's up to you, Donnie? No, I'm not, Donnie.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why is she's... Focus about on telling her wedding. We saw you just now. What that fuck was that? What's the hell what's going on? I coughed. Every since COVID, once you cough, it's like, oh my God.

No, that was crazy. Your eyes started watering and all types of shit. It's just a ceremony. Wedders aren't really for anybody except for your family, unless y'all really want to have it. You don't have to have a wedding. It's not for yourself, too. I would just have a party.

That's what I want, no, originally I would rather just have that. Like, that's what I'm saying, like, take away all the other stuff. Word up. Have just a. And I love weddings. I mean, I love weddings. I love love watching people come down the aisle. I've been to gay weddings, straight weddings.

I love them all. Yeah, but I could do that at the ceremony. I can also still say what I want to say about him too. That's not all right. Just have a party. Get married. Well, yeah, get married. And then just go have a big reception.

Where I don't have the bar, the people woke up. You're going to do it in Philly? I wanted to do a destination wedding, but how the economy is. Like, we both wanted to do a destination. Philly's a destination. No, it's not a destination. It's not a destination. Just six is, when it's not a destination, the Sixes and Nick's playing right now.

And on game three, the destination is Philadelphia. You are on a row. No. Is that true that they're doing the whole thing? Like, you have to have a foot off your address? Is that really a real thing? Or the main ticket buyer, but Nix fans are going to be able to get them

on like the secondary market. That's crazy. That's actually smart. It's a real issue, though. But you know why that's smart? Because they call it the Turnpike series, right? New York is right there. So enough people from New York can go to Philly

and make it where no one. And now it's no home court advantage. And it's a lot of fake New Yorkers too. It's people coming from Jersey, shit like that. That's what I'm saying. Like that's actually smart. I want to make sure you're from Philly to be here. It's not going to work.

You all do that, Taylor. check people's addresses if they're not from a certain place in the family What? Weddings are because of the amount of people that come.

Yeah, but, and he has a big family. But, and honestly, we went to two weddings already in Philly with his family, so honestly,

if we do that same venue, we should get discount. Your baby shower was fun and shit. Thanks. And I was the baby shower. You have to have a wedding. He's side of the family

is fun. I know they are fun. I know the real niggins on that side of the family. That shit was, no, for real. He was talking to his to,

To his uncle, his uncle's funny as her. It was happening, it was a good time. Like, you know what I'm saying? It just got a little weird when everybody started playing that bottle game. When the guy was I drink the bottle? The cup, no, the cup game. Where it's like you said it was heads, knees,

and then they have to grab the bottle. No, I mean, grab the cup. When you had to snatch the bottle with your mouth. Oh. Brandon jumped up to play that shit. Brandon is one of our producers at Brezcloth. He jumped up to play that shit, hand behind his back.

I was like, God. Damn. What's wrong with the other? That shit was crazy. Um, listen, let's get into some all memes necessary. Two, six complex list came out. Salute to Lauren La Rosa. Yeah.

This list always causes conversation. I hate talking about it. You hate all lists. You're the age. I know, salute, Charlemagne. I know I hate lists. I really don't. Here's the thing about the list.

Here's the thing about it. I appreciate every list that I'm ever on. And I live a great life because I'm on a lot of different. different lists, right? So it can be the complex hip-hop list, or I could be mediaite news lists. I, you see variety 500 companies lists. I like, lists are cool. So as long as you want a little bit of everything, you're doing your thing. I get more excited watching Lauren LaRosa be on there for the first time. You know, I get more excited watching DJ Head and Gina Vuees be on there. I'm excited seeing on the radar

on there. You know what I'm saying? My guy Big Banks. When I look at this list, all I think to myself is, God damn, the media landscape has changed so much. I've been doing this 28 years. Can you talk about that, though? Because being old? No, yeah, yeah. I mean, anytime you talk, you talk about being old. But, like, just the landscape changing because even when I was watching, like, the

interviews that they did around it, they did an interview with academics, and the conversations they were having them, like, even the reason why they center people and put certain people on the list, it's so different. Like, you talk about, like, virality on the internet and, like, you know, one-off moments, like who leads conversation maybe one or two times, they're making lists versus, like, I feel like when you was really trudging, trying to figure it out in your day, predating the internet, like, y'all had to really, you had to be consistent to break through, like, a lot different. I've said that from the beginning, like, what is power in hip-hop media?

Like, how do you define power? Because whenever I think of power, I think of business. You know what I'm saying? Are the power of the platform, like, you know, can your platform create, other entities. But I'm thinking back a step further, though. Okay. In hip-hop media in particular,

music media in general, for decades, power was defined also by the ability to impact what got played. Oh, yeah. And that's really not what this list is about. Not at all. Oh, it's not about music.

No. It's about everything else. Man, that's a good point, Chris. Not at all. Decades, it was about, this guy can break records. She can put a new artist on. That's kind of out the window now.

Well, to Chris's point, I look, that's how I look at it, right? I look at it. Can your platform birth other personalities? Clearly it is. Maybe on the radar would be like a throwback to that kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's why I was saying, like when we were discussing earlier on Breakfast Club, I was saying to me, I would put you number one. No, actually be number one. And I understand why you would think that academics should be number one. And I'm not upset at him at number one at all. But if I was making my own personal list, you would be number one only because I feel like I think about like what,

hip hop is all about like what lives, breath, survives, and recreate. And that's why it's 50 years old. And a lot of these people aren't doing things that are like creating other personalities, creating other business, or showing people that hip hop is bigger than just what's the rap song. Yeah, but the reason I will put act number one, because act's focus is hip hop. Yeah. Act literally will be on his screen screaming six hours a day talking about hip hop and hip hop related topics. Like, that's not what I do anymore.

And that's that when I was talking about the, should Joe Budden be number one or number two or whatever, his sentiment, a part of it was like Joe Budden's into the room with a bunch of different people. Academics is just him and his audience. Oh, no, no. Listen, there's a lot of takes I don't agree with when academic gets to taking, okay? But I'm not going to ever take away from what academics had built in this media space. he should absolutely be number one. I could, there's nobody on that list.

When you talk about just hip hop, media personality, academic should be number one. Absolutely. I'm 47 years old. I was born in 1978. I'm grown. I talk about my, my, my, my, we can do a whole episode of breakfast club

and not talk hip hop at all. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Like not mention a rapper. We can go a week, months without interviewing a rapper. And even if we do like we had Isaiah Rashad on this week, that conversation is bigger than a hip-hop. Pop conversation, even though he has an album out, right?

Which is the other thing I love about hip hop. He got an album coming out called It's Been Awful. But everybody remembers, you know, five years ago, or however long it was, Isaiah Rashad had a sex tape leak, and it was him and another guy. Oh, shit, I forgot about that. So that conversation turns into a whole different conversation. We're talking sexuality and gender fluidity and, you know, masculinity. It's a different conversation that just happens to be had.

by a rapper. By the way, his project is projected to debut at number 17 on the Billboard 200. Oh, that's good. He's just fired because he's been away. That's an early projection. What he said? $69,000?

What do you sell? It says, it's been awful moving around 29,000 units in its first week, including 10,000 pure sales. That's dope, you know what I'm saying? But once again, that's a hip-hop that's a conversation with a rapper that is broader than hip-hop.

But honestly, though, from the interview, When we put the interview, I was like, I'm curious to see what moves most from it naturally. And what I've been seeing is people having a conversation about there being space, not even just in hip-hop, but in the black community for fluid black men. And because of how he had the conversation with us, I've been seeing a lot of people saying, like, we had no issue with it whatsoever because they just love him and they love what he puts out. Also, who gives a fuck who that man's sleeping with. People will be caring. I don't be caring where another man dick goes. That is so weird to me.

Now, don't get me wrong for the conversation. I get it because I'm more concerned. I was more concerned about him from an emotional standpoint, a mental standpoint. Fuck, fuck what his sexuality is, just the fact you got outed in that way. Because I don't feel like he should have to publicly

have that conversation at all if he don't want to. But that's what happens in these moments when you get outed in that way. Now you're forced to have conversations that you probably don't want to have. And five years later, I told him, that's what I told him in the interview,

like, a lot of people don't even know this shit happened, bro. You just said I forgot that happened. I can put it in that. You see what I'm saying? Why would you remember? And he said his DMs was popping, too. He said mad dudes was hitting them up, bro.

I'm here for support if you need me. You see what I'm saying? You see one video of a firehead game and you're like, damn. You see what? It's too far. You saw the video? Yeah, but like. He wasn't impressed with his performance, though.

I just wanted the record to show that. You ex? You were sitting there. I don't remember him saying that. Yes. He said that it was, um, Wait, with his performance, he wasn't impressed with it? Yeah, he said he wasn't impressed with his performance.

Because he was, he said it was, he was high. But I thought he was, the video I saw, he was the one going, I don't remember the performance. I didn't go back to him. That's what I know. Oh. That's why he got to buy a head game. Wait, that's crazy.

That's crazy. Like, I get it, but yo. You're trying to say some other three things. No, I'm just saying you ain't never, but y'all ain't never watch a video with a girl doing it and be like, damn, that's a firehead game. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. You can't be the same with a guy. You can, but a lot, obviously. No, you're saying he had, he saw himself and wasn't impressed by you. Yes, as we said in the interview. But I haven't watched a video in years. I didn't rewatch it to talk to him.

You did? It sounds like you did some research. I don't remember. I do remember it. I mean, that's something that you don't necessarily forget when you. Yes. No, I don't. I remember watching it, but I don't remember his technique.

It's all right, Shaw. It's all good. It's okay. I don't even know his head day with fire, man. It just sounds good to say it. No. Let me say if it was whack, I would have said down. Don't back away down.

I know, right? Look at all these lists because you stand ten toes down. Ten toes down. Who else is on the list, man? Act number one, Joe Button, number two, lad, number three. That's the thing that bugs me out, watching all of these, watching all of these artists.

is on the list now, the Jada Kiss and the Fat Joe's, the Camrons, the, the whole list, though. Who is, Kirk? No, it goes down to 35. I thought Kirkland was a Twitter page. It is. It is. Oh, okay. It is.

But he's a, I mean, there's a person behind the page. But it is a Twitter page. And I will say, like, a lot, I follow a lot of different, subscribe to a lot of different Twitter pages that put out things and information. They normally on point a bit. Like, they're not horrible for Twitter. Because a lot of pages be like, they might as well be parody. It'd be crazy craziness.

But, yeah, it's a Twitter page. Where's the rest of the list, Taylor? I love Big Bank being on this list. Also, I don't think that somebody like Kai's and net should fall from number one to number 12. So not just because he hasn't streamed in a while. Like, that don't make no sense. Like, the Mafia Thon happened within the last 365 days, right? Yeah, but when did he stop streaming?

I don't know. take half the year off, I think. Yeah, but if what you did in that half a year is still more impactful than what a lot of people did, you shouldn't drop the 12. 12? And then also, too,

about some of these lists, I don't know how much, I don't know how tuned in they are with everything. Because it's complex in a position to put out of this like this anymore. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm like, uh, Complex has,

I feel like in the, I mean, speedy, they, owe him a lot. Complex has come back yeah, he's going down as of like a week or two, but like in the last like, what, two years, three years, complex has kind of like come back around to being around and being outside. Like they'd be having

Jordan Rose and like, I feel like he focuses on a lot of things that are like youth culture even though he's across everything. They're trying to be like in that space a bit more. Like, I just don't know the age range. Like when when Act was talking to Jordan Rose, I... What's his name? Jordan Rose. I realized

his age by, because, and I was like, This is what Charleney be yelling at us about, about how we sound because of how old we are and what we actually didn't get the experience. That's the only thing I would argue is like, what are the age ranges of the people who are ranking this list? And how many, like, how does it skew? Like, you've got to have some young, some old, some in the middle. Yeah. And then the thing what you said about Jordan, I saw Jordan, he was saying that, what did he said? He said that, you know, I don't make, I'm not in hip-hop news as much or something like that.

I think that, Sholome, you know, $200 million deal, historic, but, like, newsworthy moments he had fewer at the same clip as Joe and Jada. That's why we have him, them above him. But I'm like, yo, I've been on Complex covers our stuff. I see like 20 articles from Complex over the last year about different commentary and stuff like that. So when I see stuff like that, I'm like, damn, do you all pay attention to your own thing? But I think it's like... Your own site.

I can get that. And I feel like even if they are paying attention to their own site, what you said about academics and why you think he should be number one because it's so deep and trusted. Every day. Academics is talking about people that like you wouldn't even. I don't know little young but fuck. I don't know these people.

By the way, it's been like this for 15 years. Like, AC has been around that long. There's so many people who I didn't know who they were 10, 15 years ago that AC was talking to, the XXXX, Tentatheon, of the world and the young boys and like Act was talking to them before they had tattoos on their face. No, seriously, the little Uzi's where when they dread was

just growing. So you know, that's Act Lane. That's his thing. He owns it. The only thing I've ever told people, especially in hip-hop, sometimes you look up and hip-hop has a glass ceiling. But see, that's why I feel like you should be hired on the list because

with hip-hop, with that being the conversation around hip-hop, I feel like you're one of the people I know in real life, shattering. during that. We're not there yet. No disrespect to the complex list, but the complex list clearly just isn't there yet. The complex list still is

focused in kind of a bubble, so to speak. They got Joe Budden on here, and they talk about the business. As Joe should be up there. They got Noorie on here, and they talk about his business ventures and what he's doing with Bleak's podcast. They have a lot of people on here, and they do mention the business. Black & Fent.

Right, but all of that. And drink champs. Exactly. But the fact that Norey knew. okay, drink chance is doing so well. I see what Black Effect is doing. Let me usher in my own, like, you know, class of podcasters as well, too. That's the business.

That's the hip-hop taking a height in a conversation that the model has always been there, but now you're applying it to something new. And not a lot of people are the example of that. I am fully aware that a lot of the lanes I occupy aren't necessarily things that hip-hop occupies, whether it's book publishing company, even though you can publish a two-chains book and, you know, Little John, we got Little John coming out in October,

Arsenio, you can do all of these things that's in the realm of hip-hop in black culture. But hip-hop, since when do you champion people from hip-hop that have book-publishing imprints? When has that ever been a thing? When can you remember, Chris? And you've written a lot of books for hip-hop artists, but what have you ever seen a guy from hip-hop with an imprint?

No, it's a different thing. I mean, nobody from this list is getting involved. to the New York Times roundtable with those. I mean, it's just, but it's fine. I mean, it's a hip-hop list. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I'm older than you are. I don't know half these people,

but I'm sure it's reflective of- Go back to the list, Taylor. Hey, Jada kiss said fuck the list. Yeah. Oh, that was last year. He ain't gonna say that this year. They're number four. That was like,

that was last year. Jay-Dick's trash is, complex, hip-hip-up media power. That was last shit. Um, okay, of course we know act. No Joe Bud, Bud, no LAD, no JD Kiss and Fat Joe. No Charlamine. Anthony Fontino, I know him. Rory Amal, know them. Kirko, I know them.

Ero know him. Black Boy Max, know him. On the radar, I know him. Kastanet, know him. Big Bank, of course, know him. Smooth to Big Bank. Make sure you listen to the Big Bank podcast and the Big Facts podcast on the Black Effect Podcast Network. I didn't know he was Black Effect. Absolutely. Frasier Thorpe, know him. Yes. Cam, of course, know him. Why is John Caramonica and Joe Costarelli on? They focus. That's podcast. That's New York Times.

talked about their stuff a lot. That's in New York. All I remember is Jack Hollowen. No, they did Jack Harlow. They did A-Sat Rocky. They did Druski. They've had a ton of- hip-hop. I mean, culture. Hip-A-Pragetia. Yeah. They have, they, I'm not against

them being on the list. I don't know about as high because I feel like, I just don't know if people are like following them in like an impactful way, but they have really good conversation. They're like an ambassador outside of the culture. And their conversation to me are always very well research and for them to be white, they're not afraid to go

across the line and like, like they asked Jack Harlow. That's how we got that whole That's why Jack Arlo got in trouble. Because he wouldn't, he should have went and sat with the R&B Money podcast, Tank and Jay Valentine, as opposed to sitting with them. You can't sit with two white guys and talk about black music. He should have went and sat

with R&B officiados, Tank and J. Valentine. I would have been mad at that. And that would have, I guarantee you to roll out in the way his music was received would have been totally different. If you're sitting there with Tank and Jay Valentine and you're breaking down your music and why you wanted to do R&B, even if he said that same thing, he said in that interview with John then where he said, what did he say? He said he went blacker or something like that.

Yeah, he's blacker. It would have been laughed at on the Tank and Jay Valentine podcast. With that, it just looks, it looks crazy. Because they can't push back. They see what he's doing, but what they're going to say? Yeah, because they were like, damn, well, maybe you're blacker than us because we can't say anything about it. But I feel like you didn't even recognize them by name. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if they should be 16. You have to say, popcast or like you know. No, I recognize in my name. I didn't at first.

Why I already have been around? I didn't recognize. One of the top music writers in the country. Absolutely. Buley Keb, that's my guys. Lute Bulekab. Love seeing them on the list. Gillian Wallow.

18 feels too low for Gilly and Wallow. For me, always. Gilly and Wallow. They talked about the fact that Gillian Wallow, you haven't seen as much viral from them this year.

That's what happens when you're too consistent. When you're too consistent, Gileon Wallow, too consistent. I see Gileon Wallow stuff on my timeline all the time. I see them interviewing rappers, athletes all the time. But when you're too consistent,

people start to take it for granted. I just really believe that. Neon, say what you want. He should be on the list. I see him talking to all the rappers. At 19, though? I mean, I probably can even argue. He could probably be a little higher.

You don't think he's a shirt. He's top of 15, maybe. We'll get that in the Deska. Um, I get, yeah, Ndeska. Well, she, does she do the Apple show, right? Yeah. Yeah. She did the Jay Cole.

She did the Jay Cole, uh, Nardwar. I must be the only person who don't see Nardwa interview. Yeah, I don't see. I don't ever see Nadeau interview. No, he still, I don't ever see Nardwe interview. But I think people, because he, he's just grown to be so big that people, I don't know, like. I fuck with Nalwa. Yeah.

All time legend, but I just don't, I don't personally see his stuff that much no more. Lauren La Rosa. L.L. Cool, Bay. 22, my favorite number. Do you feel like you're a hip-hop media personality? I don't feel like I'm a hip-hop media personality. I'm grateful to be on this list, though, but I feel like I span across a ton of different things.

I don't think people have ever actually hurt me have like a very deep hip-hop conversation. No one's ever asked me to have one. I think because of the Diddy Trial. Yeah, I can see that. Breakfast Club. Yes. People put you in the hip-hop conversation.

I'm not mad at it, but, like, I talked about this on my podcast. on the latest with Lana Rosa, I'm not mad at it because, like, it's what I grew up on, it's what I know. So naturally I can talk about certain things, but because I respect people's art of rural hip-hop journalism,

when people say that to me, I always say no, like someone who can, like, I think of hip-hop journalist as like a Rob Markman, a B-Dod, you know, like people who really can, like,

sit and dissect, and there's like a, in fashion, we have these things called archives. Like, I can tell you if a Chanel bag is an old piece, I might can tell you the time period who I saw,

with it on. That's what hip hop journalists do to hip hop music. Like, I can't sit and do that without having a couple days to really figure it out before I talk to you. You know what's interesting about hip hop journalism? There is no such thing as pure hip hop journalism anymore. Because hip hop is pop culture.

As much as we don't want to accept it, as much as people may not want to embrace it, hip hop is pop culture. So hip hop bleeds into everything. Yeah. There's nothing going on right now that doesn't have a sprinkle of hip hop If the Super Bowl happens, Cardi B's dating Stefan Diggs, and that becomes, you know, more of the conversation, right?

Like you think about the Met Gala. You got to talk about, you know, Jay-Z being there with Beyonce and his daughter, you understand? Like hip-hop literally is sprinkled into every facet of, but you can't discuss politics. When I was talking about hip-hop. Without talking about fucking hip-hop. I think for me though, it's just like when I all, for me, when I knew I wanted to do this, I would watch like, L.A. Wilson and B.D., do the King conversations and our early breakfast club

and just certain things that I would watch that I'm like, I know what the pinnacle is. And I don't be knowing if I'm at that point. Like, there's a lot of real deep hip-hop journalists that I, like, I feel like Angie Martinez is a hip-hop journalist. Oh, come on, man. Like.

One of the best. But also Angie can talk to anybody. Yes. And has always spoken to anybody. But I think it's become a new thing where in hip-hop you're okay with going out in talking to anybody and having all these conversations. And I think Breakfast Club and a lot of other places,

really Breakfast Club for me, y'all were the first place I saw kind of spanning across everything for us, like black people. Breakfast Club wouldn't be Breakfast Club if we didn't do that. Because how many rappers are you going to talk to? I've been doing radio for 28 years. I've been doing hip-hop radio for 28 years.

Breakfast Club for 15, be 16 this year. I've interviewed Jay-Z one time. Mm-hmm. I've never interviewed. I interviewed Nause. once over Zoom. Who's some other guy? I think we interviewed Kendrick.

We interviewed Kendrick a couple of times on the come up. But like never interviewed Drake. Never interviewed Little Wayne. Huh? Eminem? Never interviewed Eminem. But that's my point. So it's like if you had to rely on the hip hop artists

to grow your hip hop platform, your platform would not grow. Yeah, I don't know why I still think about it's so old school. And maybe it's because, I don't know, just like the old, the source and, you know, these places, that's what always to me was like, this is what's accredited and this is what matters. And

my, I don't know, it's just always been different for me. I always looked at it like, I could talk about hip hop because I grew up in it and I love it and I can have conversation. But because I do other things, when people say hip hop journalist, I always kind of like, be like, mm, because don't get me to list top 10 much of anything.

I don't want to do stuff like that. Talking about the history and the comments. Yeah, like, I can do it. I can tell you who I like. I can tell you who's moving the needle culturally. My perspective is going to be little bit different. But when it comes to, like, lyrics and, like, real life, like, drops and his producer also worked on a project 20 years earlier, and he was a protege of this person. I know certain things, and I'm okay with that. And I research what I do. Rob is definitely a hip-hop journalist. Rob Markman is, like, hip-hop journalist. I would never go toe-for-toe

with him in a certain debate about certain things because I would, that's his, you know. Nelson George. Well, that's, now you're really. But see, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm only giving you these names, and I looked some of these up because it started to come to me as you was talking, but Nelson George, Dream Hampton, sway, I put you, sway, absolutely. See, okay, but when you say, Fad Fy Freddie. When you say sway for me, I'm like, okay, then yeah, I'm not mad at the title then. Shahim Reed.

Yes. I think of people like Eric Parker. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, oh, Dayton, I got to forget Daytona. Like, you know, these are the people that I think about when I think about, like, true hip-hop journal. And you got to put it. Elliot Wilson in that category too.

Yeah, for sure. I do. Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. Elliot BDOT, but there is a, I'm saying all that to say there used to be a hip hop journalism plan. Well, there were also platforms that required that. There was the source.

Double X-L. I mean, these were actual magazines that need to be. Blaze. Editors, those are all gone. Yeah, vibe. That's the thing. What Chris said is true. All of those entities used to focus strictly on hip-hop.

in hip-hop media. So you needed hip-hop journalists. The game's just not like that no more. Yeah. I mean, and maybe we're ushering in something new. Because when you mentioned Sweat... Ushering in.

It's here. I mean, it's here, yeah. When you say Sway, it made me feel like, if someone was to say hip-hop journalist to me, I don't know if I would be like, no, no, no, no, don't say that. Because to me, sway talks to everybody,

and he's really good at it, but he also is, like, hip-hop, too. What's the one thing we're not talking about in terms of the qualifications of this people, which is what's changed dramatically? Cleve-val? Right. Writing.

Oh, writing. Everything is talking, talking. Yeah, yeah. The hip-hop journalist was defined by writers for years and years and years. Wow. Because that's how you communicated these stories. Nobody writes shit anymore. They just talk.

I was thinking, I want to get back into, like, writing on a regular basis. I mean, I write, but, you know, nowadays I write for, you know, when I'm writing scripts or donkey today every day or writing things for other people or writing books, of course. But, like, I used to write for Ozone magazine. You know what I mean? And like, I used to write a column for Ozone called the Chinchak. And I kind of missed that. I kind of missed, like, writing.

I just, I know Substack is a place that people say they go. Yeah. To get that kind of stuff. But are people really reading shit? No, people on Subtack crazy. Really? People are in. Substack is used to.

Yeah. Like so much conversation and substack is like the more elevated level of threads. Like you have Twitter, which is just the bottom of the bottom. You have threads, which is like, it's kind of mixed. of the two, LinkedIn, little mixture sometimes, but now substack has become like the elevated, like, you can get on there and talk crazy, but like people engage, they take it,

they take it out of the platform, people love substack. And you can also go in depth with writing. Yes, 100%. I mean, honestly, that's how I even knew who Elliot Wilson was, because I would read his, in the top of every episode. X-WXL, it was the editorial ran. It might have been the source, too.

I can't remember which one it was, but I used to read it in the beginning. Like, like, I'm a reader, so I used to like to read to read people's editorials. This is the first complex list in their history of the list. They say for the first time ever, they included writers because some of the biggest moments in rap this year included more traditional. Who are the writers on this list? Frazier, they, him.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who else writes here? Whoa, you said. Carmonica and both writers. Yeah, they said. They're not reacting to their articles. They're really reacting to the podcast. They might be, though.

Let me see what they listed for them. I think Lauren should have been higher. I think Fantano might write as well. I would have put Lauren top 15. but 22 is cool. Traveloor Ross 23. Shannon Sharp 24. Does Shannon talk to a lot of rappers?

I don't be seeing Shannon talk to no rapists. I don't know. I don't even remember Shannon Sharp's, like, big stuff this year. But he still was talking to people of the culture in a sense, though. I mean, yeah, but they're not rap. I mean, I don't know. I guess I'm trying to figure out what qualifies him to be a hip-hop media personality. Shannon, a big personality?

Absolutely. He did Kevin Gates. They list Kevin Gates. um yeah Kevin Gayne listen yeah they list many of his best

best conversations involve rappers whether it's his bat shit Kevin Gates interview or his revealing chat with G Herbo his team chops it up

with clips and yeah I see the G. Heirbo one I don't know if I remember the Gherbo one I mean listen Shannon is a huge

media personality period I just don't look at him as a hip-hop media personality who else is on the list Taylor that's 24

who else let's see let's see God damn, Taley. You know I'm old. Make that bigger, please. 25. Who's 25?

Neon. Like I said, say what you want? Niance and be on there. I thought he was on the other list. He was. 5 plus 4. Nah, this is something else. What did you do?

That's at the bottom of complex website. Nah, that ain't it. Go back to the list you had where they showed the pictures. No, go. Oh, okay. Go back to where you showed. Oh, this is the community ranking.

Sorry, y'all. Community Ranking put you at number two. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they have a community ranking at the bottom. They put you at number two. Listen, I am appreciative of any list. I'm old, job it on.

I was born in 1978, guys. Okay? I've been doing this year for 28 years. Okay? If I'm on the list, cool. I'm grateful. All right, Rob, I go back, go to 25. Rob is way too low.

I felt like that too. And Waino should have been on this list. Wayno should have definitely been. Wayno talks about a lot of things, a lot of people all day long as well that it's like true core hip hop conversation. Okay, who's 25? Who's 25? That was, that was Norah.

Oh, N-O-R-E. Mm-hmm. Yeah, man, salute to Nori. I don't like the drink champs disrespect. Salute the drink champs. Drink champs is definitely partnering with the Black Effect Podcast Network. Once again, Nori is suffering from what a lot of people suffer from. It's when you've been around so long and you've been consistent for so long,

people start to take what it is. for granted. Drink Champs is what? Celebrating a decade now? So if they're on a decade, button got to be a decade plus. Act is definitely a decade plus in the game. Is that what we're feeling?

Because I too feel like people don't yell at and scream about their interviews anymore. Like they were at one point. But I don't think, here's the thing, I don't know if they ever did because Drink Champs literally

was for a certain demo. No, people was going crazy about Drink Chance. But right, what's the difference you just mentioned? Bud and Ak and then drink chants, right? What's the difference between those? Button and Act still focus on current events. Well, there's one other difference, too.

They're not guest-reliant. Oh, they're not guest-reliant. Okay, okay, okay, okay. The danger of having a guest-reliant show, this is why we can do this show for 15 years. Oh, that's a good point. We don't need a guest. Nor do.

He might not. He might not. Norian EFN don't need a guest. Right. But when every week, what happens is after a while, people start to just check to see who the guest is, and they kind of cherry-pick. I'm interested in this person.

I'm not interested. Very interesting point because Nori is so entertaining I would listen to Norrie. That's what I'm saying. Look, think about all the ruckus norie calls going on in Jason Lee podcast. Right.

Just talking about shit that's going on in the world. When I saw him at the Black Effect Podcast Festival, he was like, hey, I said, don't hate me. I called you three times. You were supposed to give me a follow-up to that interview. He was like, I didn't get your call. I was like, we were putting in a group chat.

You got the call. That interview was so many places for so long because of everything he talked about. Only Taylor would close the computer and walk out the room. I don't think she even thought about it. She literally closed the computer. I have the next person on the list.

She's the producer of the show. She pulled the list up just to close it. Only Taylor, yo. She's going to forget to go to her a wedding, yo. That's what's going to happen. You know who's going to be there? The wedding planner. It's all right, Tyler.

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Who's backwards? 26 is Jim Jones. Another interesting one, not because Jim shouldn't be up there, is just interesting for me as a lifelong media personality to see how artists. have truly infiltrated the culture. And I mean, that's where you got to give, that's where you got to give Joe Button all the credit.

You know what I respect about Jim Jones and everything he's doing because it's new with Let's Rap About it and Artist to Artists. He didn't care that, because a lot of artists who should be talking about things, we know everybody's doing it. Now we got too many rappers in the space, I don't want to do it.

He gave it a shot and it's working out for him. Once again, you got to give Joe Button all the credit. Yeah. No, well, okay, no, no, no, let me take that back. I give Joe Budden all the credit for all of these rappers you see currently hosting podcasts, but the first rapper I ever remember hosting a podcast was ICE tea. Really? Right, right.

I see. Now, he was loudspeaker, wasn't he, Chris? Yeah, give me some credit, too. I tried to do this 15 years ago. The podfather, Chris Monroe. I was too early. What was the pushback when you were trying to do it? Like, did they not want to?

I think there was a cycle. First, when I was trying to do it, they just didn't think there was enough money and I think there was also a bit of. There was it back then. And it was corny. Like it kind of signaled that your career was over. I see he didn't care and he's always been a little bit of a visionary. So he was never worried about that.

But then when the money started to come in, I think the rappers were sort of like, who cares if it's corny. Right. And then now we're at a point where the money isn't the same as it was, let's say five years ago. But what's really paramount to these guys, I think is just staying in the conversation.

He's staying in the mix. Right. My other big screw up was 10, 15 years ago, I wanted to make a network of ex-MBA players, right? I was like, I wanted to do, I had a show I wanted to do called The Journeyman. I just interview guys who weren't even starting. I was like, man, these NBA players never do it

because they've made so much money over their career. Why would they do a podcast? Maybe I'll give them, you know, 15,000, 20,000, whatever it is. I never pursued it. But my miscalculation was, these guys just miss being in the limelight. They miss people talking about them. You can't replace that.

No matter how much money they made. And I think with the rappers, it's the same thing. I agree with you. The music's not moving anything anymore. But you know what, though, Chris, there is another level for the rappers with podcasts to go. Like, see, basketball players with podcasts can't ever come back to the game to play.

But if you're a rapper with a podcast, you can still put out music. We have yet to see that yet. We have yet to see the dots connect with somebody who has a hot podcast and can connect the dots with the music. I only think there's going to be one person that is going to work for, though. Who? Jada.

Oh, 100%. The masses look for him and want to hear him all the time. I will say I feel like, let's rap about it. Tried it with the freestyle that they did when they responded and then they talked about the podcast. I think culturally that picked up, but for like masses and like billboard charting, for sure Jada Kiss is definitely in a good situation. And I think it could work.

for FAB. Yeah, FAB. I think it could work for FAB. He stood out so much. It was crazy to me to hear people talk about, oh my God, Fab, and I'm like, this has always been him. It's just now y'all are watching the podcast. That was my pitch when I tried this years ago.

And this is more so than NBA players. I remember going, shout out to the mid-roll. They didn't get it. But I went to them and I said, give me some money to partner with this. Because I was like, rappers at their essence are just good fucking talkers. There are people who can talk on a mic,

more so than an NBA player, right? Like, this is their natural habitat almost. Of course they're going to be good podcast. Yeah. Because they can talk. And don't get me wrong, Jim makes great music. I've been on a record saying, I think Jim has been making some of the best music

coming out of New York for a long time. But Jada has always been recognized as an elite-level MC. Even when they put out that record from the locks that they played on a, Kiss and Joe show a few months ago, that shit was hard, right? So Jada can drop an album right now,

and I think the podcast will help him. I think it'll help Fab as well, because we haven't heard from Fab in a while. But I don't know if the pod is big enough yet to help Fab, if that means. You know what I'm saying? Like Kiss and Joe's pod is big enough right now where it can help Kiss.

The only other person that would really blow shit out the water is Joe. Like Joe came out with an EP or something. You know what I'm saying? Because we haven't heard him rap in 10 years, 10, 11 years. No, I don't think it's been that long. How's it been that long? It's been a, maybe a doubt. But people want to see that.

He just says he don't want to do it. Also possibly Cameron. Oh, Cam for sure. Yeah. But see, Cam's a little. They rap through the podcast, though. Yeah. Yeah, Cam from sure.

People like those. But people culturally want to just, they still want to hear Cameron, especially them, him and Mace together. People still just want to hear that even if they didn't have the podcast. So. Cam's a little bit different. different from me, though, because Cam, um, it's something about Cam that's just always fresh.

Like the music is always fresh when he drops in the pod. It's super fresh. So, and he used his pod to still rap. You know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know, he's, he's connected to two in a way. Maybe that's what I'm talking about. He hasn't put out a project, but he's connected to two in a way where he don't let you forget. I'm a rapper too, you know what I'm saying? I can see him having a breakout hit. Yeah. One just cackets, I can see that.

I looked it up. It says Joe Buttig and he retired in 2018 according to Google. Oh, okay. Like rapping from the desk, if you can, makes so much sense. And he wraps about stuff in the show. He addresses issues in the show with crafts,

which is why it's relevant. Who's next, Taylor? Who's 25? Who's at 25? The Art of Dialogue? No, that's 27. Oh, yeah, we're going up. We're going up.

You're right, you're right. 27. The Art of Dialogue, yeah. Love the art of dialogue's dope I mean honestly they should be higher 27 Sometimes I see all the dialogue I don't know if it's glad or not

Because of just who they're getting Yes I yeah Art should definitely be higher I think Who's at 28 Mero Salute to Mero Yeah

I can see Mero up there You know 977 morning show I mean just being the host Of that morning show And him being who he is That's a brand That's a major brand

connecting with a brand that still has relevance, right? Like Merrill has, Merrill is definitely Merrill, and he's connected with a brand that still has relevance. Now, this is why I get old. I have no idea who Arshan Joad is. Who's that? Respectfully.

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Yeah, that one. I have no idea who this is this. Can I see his, what's the name again? I'm trying to. I just need to see the spelling of this. I just don't think that you can have any kind of. conversation about somebody breaking new artists and not have Nila Simone on there. Nile Simone breaks new artists on her past the all segment on Breakfast Club every Friday.

She breaks new artists on her show on Sundays on Power 105. She has the best new artist showcasing the game with certified vibe. And I can't wait for y'all hear Nile's album. Everybody having all these conversations about, you know, they don't know what hip hop is on right now. Nile about to show you what hip hop is on. Number 30, DJ Head and Gina Views, gang, gang, West Coast. Let me tell you how much I love DJ Head and Gina views. First of all, you know, hey, that's my guy.

That's my brother, man. I know Head for a while now, I met him through my good sister, Debbie Brown. And, you know, when you meet good people through good people, you tend to see why, oh, okay, I see why you've always vibed with this person's energy. And, man, Head is just a good guy. Good human. Good guy, yep. Who took advantage in a real way.

And when I say take advantage, I'm not saying this in a bad way, who took advantage of the Kendrick Lamar Drake situation. That's just the reality of it. And you know what? So when Act was talking to Jordan Rose and he was talking about how people are still stuck on that Drake Kendrick beef and that being the only reason why they're making less years later or whatever, I thought about head because in that moment, there was a lot of conversation on him.

But what he's been able to build that has not. You don't even have to mention that. And people are having conversations with him. But a lot of it is because he created a platform that opened up to other people. Like, him bringing Gina on and, you know, centering her while also censoring himself. Like, I feel like he's getting back what he's put out tenfold. Oh, absolutely. Like, he's just a really good person to a person.

And now we're getting to see all of his, like, you know, the fruits of his labor. Well, also, too, head is new to y'all. Hey, it ain't new to people that's in the know. Head has been growing. And when I say, y'all, I'm going to talk about you, I'm going to talk about people that are listening to me right now. Head had homegrown radio with Chuck Dizzle, right? And they were breaking all of these new West Coast artists way back when.

That's why I heard most of the TDE. The same way I could talk about act and how I heard all of them guys that didn't even have tattoos on their face back then. It's the same thing with, hey, that's the Kendrix, the Have Souls, the Q's, that whole young. West Coast regime, Glasses below, and it was all coming through Homegrown Radio. And then you fast forward.

Head ends up on Real 92, 3. L.A., him and Boot Lake Kev, we're doing a show together. You understand what I'm saying? So there's a foundation that was being laid. When you think that that's just Kendrick homie, because that's just Kendrick homie? Nah, they was on tour together.

Do you feel like DJ Head is finally getting some of the stuff that he deserves? I don't think Head even scratch. Yes, but is the wheel starting to turn? Yeah, they've been turning, but he's not. even scratching the surface of where he can take it. And also, I think the other thing people don't realize about head, head is a, he's got a brain. Like he's, I know his skull is big as,

I know he's got a big ass head. He's on like tech and all this stuff back early. Exactly. Heads has shown me things that can change the world. Like things that I'm like, I'll invest some money into that right now. got just one thing in particular. I'm like, yeah, I invest money in that right now. Head running around here with Will I Am. That's why I love to see people be who,

growing to who we know they're going to be. Right. Like this guy loves tech, like you said, he's got things that I've seen him create in the tech space that I know could net him a couple hundred million dollars, but he's with the right people. He's with Will I Am. You understand what I'm saying? He's running around doing that, what's called, FYI, FRII or I think that's the name of the company. But yes, and what you said is very key. I'm talking about him laying the foundation, but when that moment came and Kendrick is just amplifying one of his homies as he should, hey, they ain't sit around and wait.

Like, I'm going to do this show with Elliot and Jeremy for a little minute. But now I'm going to start this show on Sarah Satellite Radio, and I'm going to go get super West Coast all away Gina views to come rock would be. And I told y'all, I told y'all this show. shit last year, ain't none of y'all niggas better than Gina views. I love Gina. This past weekend with, like I fact, that's the first time me and her, like actually talk.

She is hilarious. I love her. She's so funny. Yeah. Gina, I will always have so much respect for it because when I met her, me and her were like, we didn't know each other at all, but we were just trying to figure it out. And from afar, watching her figure it out, it was just, I just respect. Because she really, she get up and go to work.

Like, she get up and go to work. She, yes. And she come up with a product. She got whole fashions. Like she does so much. So to see people actually like... I don't like all that whole fashion shit. I don't like...

But it's her. I don't want to see Gina in that whole light. It's hers. And she builds it and she's very consistent with it. And she... What I'm saying is like a lot of people don't work. Like a lot of people just want to like turn on a camera and be like, yo, I'm here and you should be too.

Gina hustles. Yeah. She hustled. If you tell Gina to be somewhere, she's going to be there. Mm-hmm. And I'm just talking as a personality. Ain't none of y'all niggas fucking with Gina. You know why y'all can't fuck with Gina?

Because that's really her, nigga. Yeah. Like, that's really who Gina is. Like, Gina, what you get on that microphone on Siris, satellite radio, on effective immediately, that's who she is in real life. Gina is a pleasure to be around. I love her light. And very honest. Very motherfucking honest.

Like, she's a, Gina one of the ones. And she got, I guess, I said, all of this is just the beginning for so many of these individuals. Like we're watching the beginning stages of where people are even going. But that's why list for people who are new to the list, that's the excitement of it is like, you feel like you're a part of a class and now you're like looking around and watching people. And like, I felt like that about Gina forever. Like, okay, she's a part of the class of like we're figuring this out in real time and we're doing it differently. But now you see like all these other people that are doing it as well too.

And some of them you might be tapping into the first time. But you were- Gina really hip-hop too. Yeah. Gina, oh, Gina's hip-hop. To the core. Down. She's one of the people, and I said this on my podcast,

if people talk to me about what women should be in that hip-hop journalist conversation, I think of her because it's a very male-dominated space, but if you want girls that's going to go word for word, bar-for-bar, history, you know, producer this, she's going to do that with you. Gina and Nyla, motherfucking Simone. I also, yep.

I went to LA. They're cousins too, by the way. In real life? In real life, yeah. Are you two? I'm dead-assie? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

You said Nileland. Yeah, they are. When did they find that out? Oh, I think a couple of years ago. Yeah. There's some family down south. No, I never heard that. No, for real.

They literally said that at the festival. Wow. I went to watch their show, like, while they were recording. And it's so funny because, like, when the tapes go off, like, when they hit stop, they're the same exact person. Like, on air and off it. That's Gina in head. You getting exactly what you see on that fucking.

camera. I love Gina and head, man. They should be higher. But complex, at least you got it to fuck right. And put them on there. Who else we got? Who else is up there? Well, you screamed on them last year. I didn't scream. I just want you to pay attention. Like, they literally, it wasn't the last year, the year before. They literally said, because it was so centered

around the Kendrick Drake Beef. How you don't got head on there then? But we're not going going to talk about what it was. Underground sound, I'm old guys. I have no idea what this is. What is underground? Let me read with that. What is underground sound? Underground sound is the largest page dedicated to what's become known as the rap underground, which is not the underground of

15 years ago, fueling real-time updates on the newest talent with a meme-driven edge. Meme-driven edge, underground sound is a launching pad for emerging artists pushing names like NetSpin and S-D-Kid. If cyphers have become a proven ground, effectively filling the role of double-xel's freshman freestyle giving new names like Benji Bluebill's Tessus and Diamond and two slimy in their own by our moments. I don't know anything. That should look like Spanish to me.

I have no idea what the fuck I just. It's like a whole wave. I mean, I won't even know if it's just youth culture, but it's just like a whole wave of like the very, very super viral stream rap. The kids are outside. They might mosh pit a little bit. Like, it's a, no? Well, Salute the Underground Sound, I don't know.

Like, I got, I, I stop at Nile and on the radar. That's why I mean, I, I, I'll dig deep. I just never heard an underground sound. But Salute the y'all. Who else on the list, Taylor? Who else we got? who else we got who else we got who else we got

Elliot Wilson Now there's a debate about him being on the list Only because he didn't know What you said in the podcast He's been oh okay So he's been He's been notably quiet

Let me read why they got Elliot on He was causing some health things Um He should oh no Uprocks Yeah uprocks Yeah uprocks Jeremy and Head show

He had just got back To getting doing all that You know the interviews and all the stuff and then his health stuff started and then he was going through some things in his personal life and then announced he's having twins. He said he

he said Jid he's interviewed Jid God did like ugly he's older than you podcast I mean I don't know man you know you just don't want to say how you feel right now I don't I'm not going to knock Elliot it's hard I'm not a hater

so I'm not going to knock Elliot what would you hate on you're not a hater You're on a list at all. Don't ever question my head. You are so much. I can find a reason to hate on anybody. That's right.

I can find a reason to hate it. I forgot you not a read a bitch. No, I'm just really thinking. I can, there's a lot of people like Wayne, I can put Wayne O. Nila. I can put B.D. But it's because you've heard from them all year. That would be your only argument against Elliot.

Because other than that, when you hear from him, even if you don't agree what he's saying, he is in the space. 32, not a bad man. I would probably have put him 35, though. Because why? I just feel like there's a lot more people who did a lot more this year. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

But people feel like because of the lack of what he's done this year, he shouldn't be on the list at all. That's what I'm saying. So you're saying put him lower. People are like, why is he on the list at all? I don't, I don't disagree. I don't think he shouldn't be on the list at all. Like, because we just read a lot of stuff that he did in the last 365.

So, no, I don't think he should not be on the list. I love Elliot Wilson. And I think it's because I still hold on to, like, what I watched that inspired me to want to sit down and talk to people. And, you know, I know he kind of got in, he's gotten away from that before. And I think people hold on to that, too, like, the stuff he was going through. I respect Elliot in the hip-hop journalist space. I don't put him in the hip-hop personality space. I don't put him with the sways and the big boys and the Angie Martinez.

I put him in that hip-hop journalism thing I was talking about earlier. I put him in that class. He should write. You should write. Word up. He could be good. Elliot could be making a killing on something stack. Bring back yellow nigger, man.

You know what I'm saying? So, but here's the thing. I'm not mad at Elliot only going into the writing, but you don't feel like the era of interviews that he did when it was him and BDOT weren't good as well? Keyword. And keywords and BDod. And I've told Elliot this when we did our interview.

Like that was your sweet spot. That is, that's what I said. Absolutely. 100%. Who else we got? Who else is on the list, Taylor, gang? He has twins. Look, that man, dick still work. Taylor, God damn.

But you're having... But you're having... Congratulations on the twins. But you're having twins versus just one child. But that would... Can't control? You can't control. What the fuck is she talking?

No, we're going to take this stuff. I'm saying, like, it was already... It was already... People need to know how crazy you are. As if he could control that. All right? My friend. No, I'm saying because it wasn't with...

No. No. Right? Okay. Is that what I'm saying? What happened? So, you know, he's not. through a divorce. Oh, I ain't seen.

That's that late. Yeah. See? I mean, but that's why they, I don't know why they linked it in here. But he introduced the world to his twins on his ex account. So they linked that in here. And a lot of people found out that it wasn't. They're beautiful.

They are good. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying? Congratulations, Elliot. What's the next, Taylor? Alfonzo Pierre. I'm getting familiar. I don't know who this is. Let's, what is his resume?

Pitfall. If you want to list, Inspire. Vitriol, like Alfonso Fier, who's called Heat from the Clips fans, and Brent Faye asked to name just a couple examples. The Pitchfork senior writer is one of the few rap critics left, and he knows that being rigorous and hilarious aren't mutually exclusive. When he pins, pans, they're filled with nuance and clever one-liners. When he gives something his cosign, it's usually a smaller act like Starker and Xavier So

Bass, who both got best new music treatments, and whether he's going on to old Ken Carson or writing op-ed about All-Star Jr. His voice extends beyond the rap critic lane. I'm old, B. I don't, you know, respect to you, Alfonso Fierre. I know pitchfork, of course. I guess that's what you're saying. This is a writer that they highlight.

Yeah, but I mean, I've seen people push back about the fact that he's on the list. But they just feel like he shouldn't, I don't know, people, you know, they just have their feelings. He shouldn't be there. Maybe because they feel like of all of pitchfork, there's other people that you could have talked about.

But I don't know personally, I don't follow everything he does personally, but I've heard people who actually work with artists credit his work to actually helping the artist when it comes to like the reviews and stuff like that. That's all that matters then. Keep doing your thing, Alfonso.

Who's 34? 34 and 35. 34. Once again, salute to Dante. I have no idea who this is. I'm still Don't know who that is either. In a world of clickbait. What is that word?

Nileism. There's something wholesome about I'm Dante's reaction videos. Now 33, who's grown into young OG status, giving fans the verdict on every major album, from Yeats double album, ADL to an epic three-hour rundown of Jay Coles, The Fall Off, his animated delivery and productivity speak for themselves. Salute to you, Dante.

Yeah, congratulations. I don't know who you are, but I'm tuned in that. That's also the beauty of these lists. You learn about people. Yeah. Number 35, the OG Rob Markman, my guy. Love Rob. Talk to Rob damn there every day.

Rob should be way higher on this motherfucking list. You know, the thing I love about what Rob and what Wayno have done, to your point earlier, they're not just sitting back relying on interviews. They've created these platforms and these platforms where they're just talking to you about what's going on in hip hop. Because guys like Wayno, guys like Rob, they've been around for a while.

They offer a lot in regards of actual hip hop commentary. And they correct the record on a lot of people who don't know what the fuck they talk about. I was about to say, when I'm trying to figure out something very hip-hop, like deep, deep, and I look it up and I really don't understand it. I, Rob Markman and Wayno, their content, I go and listen to them because I can trust what they're saying from a historical standpoint. And that's why what Rob is doing, what Wayno is doing, what guys like Elliot need to do.

And even honestly, if they felt like it, the OGs, like the sways. I guess my role is kind of like that too, Angie Martinez. We've never seen hip hop where it is now, where there's like no demographic. Like it's just a flat surface Like there's no Even though there is OG veterans

But it's just like Everything is blended into one Yeah And so much So many things get spoken to out of context You understand what I'm saying

Like so many things get spoken to out of context Like I watch academic video Sometimes I'll be like Act The reason

that Jay Z is doing so much This year is because it's the 30th anniversary of reasonable doubt. And it's the 25th anniversary of the blueprint.

Stop making it seem like he's like he's doing all of this stuff just because he's trying to change the headlines. No, we got to acknowledge the hip-hop of it all. I'd be like, I just be, and that's the type of stuff robbed and Wayne O. Doe.

They'll do a video about something that academics said in that manner and correct the record. Because reasonable doubt is Jay-Z's first album and arguably, some people argue, his best album, then you got Blueprint, which is arguably one of his best albums. Bluefron got five mics in the source.

So if it's the 30-year anniversary of your first album and the 25th anniversary of arguably your best album, why wouldn't you be celebrating? Why wouldn't you be having concerts? Why wouldn't you be doing interviews and all of this other shit? That's this type of stuff that, like I said, Rob and Nguansans and everybody will correct the record on. But all of those OGs I mentioned should be correcting the record

on a lot of these, a lot of these conversations that are happening from younger personalities who don't quite know what they're talking. But you know what's crazy is a lot of people will do it behind the scenes. Like I've had people call me and be like, hey, I saw you talking about this. I just want to add this context

just because I actually experienced it in real life and I care about where you're going so I want you. You know what I mean? They don't feel like they don't want to be, because it's such a like. They don't want to look like they're shitting on you. Yeah, yeah.

That or also, too, it's just like a shit show of like everybody reacts to it. Yeah. Part of conversation. you want to be a part of, when if your whole idea is to protect and, like, archive, let me just call you and talk to you, so I don't got to be in the circus of the thing. Yeah. I know.

You're right. You're right. But salute to the complex list, man, top 35. What is it? Powerful people in hip-hop. Whatever. I feel like Breakfast Club as a show should have been on here, too. I think breakfast club, I really think.

We're intertwined throughout all 35 of these people in their moment. Yeah, I don't want to say evolve from hip-hop because you can never evolve from hip-hop. But what I would like to see with lists like this in the future is recognize the evolution of hip hop. Because I feel like if you don't recognize the evolution of hip hop, you're going to miss what an Angie Martinez is doing right now. You're going to miss what a sway is doing right now. Yeah.

You're going to miss what a breakfast club is doing right now. You know what I mean? Because hip hop, like I said, is pop culture. We're intertwined with everything that's going on in life. When you've got the White House responding to things that are being said on Breakfast Club. Like, not just this administration. You know what I mean?

The previous administration. Like, like, it's, that's a, that's a different, that's a different thing. And I can't wait until these lists start acknowledging stuff like that. Let's pay some bills, Chris. What we got, Taylor, gang. Pull up some bills, Taylor. We got to pay some bills because little P got to eat. Little P got to eat, okay?

Little P got to eat, Taylor, gang. Right. Little P can't just eat cheese steaks and tasty cakes all goddamn day. Okay? All right, let's get back to this show. Church announcements. Lauren La Rosa, do you have any church announcements? Do you have a life?

Yeah, I got a light. Okay, what you got going on? The latest with Lauren La Rosa, the podcast. Subscribe to my YouTube channel. It is my challenge for myself this year to be consistent on the video side. Now that we've gotten the audio side down, Lauren La Rosa TV on YouTube, and we drop episodes every day Monday through Friday at 6 a.m.

Oh, wrong camera. You just got an award, right? You just got an award, right? You just got the accelerator award? The Bossy Award at the Accelerator Award. The Bald and Bossy at the Accelerator Award. They didn't see Bald in it. I swear, yo.

When you... I didn't say Boss and Bowled. You always are hell, but when you got that hat on and your airline fighting back, you're a little bit more humble. I like that. I said Bold and Bossy. Why you said... I got an award doing to Accelerate Her.

It's a global leadership conference. It's the Rich Auntie's conference, and they're fine what you're saying that. Like, these women. are like fire. So they had this award called the Bossy Award. It was me and about four other women. You get ushered into this world of like successful black women who are just out here. Like they make the world go round. So we got honored in Miami. It was fire. Tell them how you wasn't about to go. I was not about to go. Number one, I was, because I thought we were, I can't say. I can tell why. I know, I'm not going to say the reason, but she, Lauren is speaking of work and hustle.

That's the only reason I wanted her to bring it up. Lauren is so committed to her day job. the breakfast club, and she's so committed to keeping the main thing, the main thing, that she was like, yo. It was too many weekdays off of the show. Yeah, she didn't want to take those weekdays off of the show, even though she could have broadcast her from Miami. But it's different.

I get it. I get it. You know, that week was supposed to be like, you know, a big week for something, yes. So I just, I didn't want to be out of the studio and I didn't know if I would get pushed back on being out of the studio. I just, you know, but I made it.

She don't feel like her position is solidified. Like, I get it. I never feel like that. I know. That's why you don't wear wigs no more. Shut up. Because they don't feel like they, right? Right?

That's why, right? That's why you see me. You said that. Every now and then you have a real good one. And that was it. But no, you said, you, I've never said that to you. You did. You said you stopped wearing wigs because one almost blew off.

That is not what I said to you. Oh, I've never even talked to you about. The glue doesn't keep it down? Who's something you want? I don't know how it works. That's a good question, though. No, you don't. Do you, I'm not about to go on the wigs with y'all, okay?

I don't have a wig on, and that is not what I said. But in this industry, you do feel like your position's never, like, you know. Wendy Williams used to be like that. Wendy used to say, if you take off, that's why she used to do best-up shows because she never wanted nobody filling in on her show because she'd feel like, yeah, that person coming there, hungrier, blah, blah, blah, and can take your spot. It's a gift and a curse. That's why that moment with Chanel Jones and Rihanna on the carpet at the Met Gala,

I watched that video and I'm like, it's so. good to just have somebody like take a second to see you real quick. Well that up, Taylor. I didn't see that. You'd be having, it's so much stress and pressure, especially when we're heading to a red carpet because it's like fast. You got to get who will stop for you. Your network or your platform is like, yo, who did you talk to or why did you get this

person? And you really are as good as your last interview with somebody's job. So, or your last moment. To salute to Chanel Jones. Chanel Jones had the number one book in the country two weeks ago in the self-help advice category. The same week, her and Emma agrees. came out the same exact day.

And Emma was number two and Chanel was number one. But you know what I learned at the conference, though, is that to kind of get away from that a little bit, the feeling of like, what if I wake up tomorrow and this is all over? I feel like that all, it's the most nerve-wracking thing

I've ever experienced in my life. I think you're like that because your daddy walked out on you. But listen, let's play the Rihanna-Chinell thing. And I just want to tell everybody, make sure you go pick up Jess Oliar's book Tell death do we parent available everywhere. You buy books now.

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head over to a.m. Morning's on YouTube. See you guys there. Peace. Let's listen to this moment. Don't try to go on to the podcast. You still hell. This is a beautiful moment. Shut up. Shut up. Hold on. So what was you dealing to?

Today was honestly hoping that I could meet the moment and catch somebody's eye contact. So many people, when they come here on the carpet, it's take, take, take. But my goal was to give, like, give back. Because I feel like your talent gives us. So I just wanted to...

It's not all about giving it as well. Thank you. So can this get all about giving... to everybody. Thank you, Rihanna. You deserve to be born into, and you're beautiful, you're black journalist, and I respect you,

and I love you, for this. I'm better at your office. I love you, Rihanna. Now, let me explain something to you now. I don't know if Rihanna knew who Chanel Jones was, but I'm going to tell you why,

if she didn't, Rihanna has great discernment. Now, Rihanna might have stopped because clearly you can see Chanel is the only spoon of chocolate in this glass of milk, right? He's the only black woman up there.

But Chanel lost her husband last year. She lost her husband last year. I think it was to brain cancer, if I'm not mistaken. So, and she just put out a book two weeks ago. That's the number one book in the country. And the book is about, oh, my God, what's the book about? I can't remember right now. It's about parenting, right?

It's about parenting or something like that. She brings in people, like other celebrities that talk about different things. Yes. So I don't know if Rihanna never. knew that or her discernment just said, hey, you deserve to be poured into right now. Because if you know Chanel's story, like I said, her husband died last year of brain cancer.

She just put out this book two weeks ago, which is about parenting. For Rihanna to see whatever she saw in Chanel in that moment and pour into her, that says a lot about Rihanna, man. It's called Through Mom's Eyes. Through Mom's Eyes. Yeah. And what's it about?

It's simple wisdom from others who've raised extraordinary, who've raised extraordinary human beings. about she's raising her kids now on her own because her husband's a long head. So I'm sure every day is a battle for Chanel. Right? But also think about, too, when I saw it, what it registered to me is Chanel Jones is at the Today Show. Yeah.

She sits with Jenna Bush, right? That's a very... No, that's not Jenna Bush. Is it? That's Craig Melvin and... No, but she's on that... The day she has a show with... Yeah, she has a show with Jenna. Yeah? Yeah, so she's on this platform. Oh, the whole the left. She's on this platform. And you...

It's not a ton of black people over there. So the pressure is so different for her and she's at the Met Gala with the pressure and she's a mom and she's a long day I'm sure like the pressure just never stops and you feel like if you take a break you out of sight out of mind yeah and so for Rihanna to give her that moment naturally it had to reassure her in so many different ways now what I'm saying I'm wondering like did Rihanna know who she was because it doesn't seem like she knew who she was it just seemed like that was a honest moment I think she stopped just because she was a black woman with a nice outfit now and I love that celebrities are taking the time to do that as well so I saw Tiana

tell her do that at a show where she couldn't talk because she was Russian, so she just went and hugged all of the journalists, but she paid extra attention to the black journalist because, first of all, most of the time they put you toward the end of the carpet, but, you know, she's with today, so that's different. Well, they didn't put you on the carpet at all. They told you how much. Oh, my God. What? Metgala didn't put me on the carpet, but it's fine.

Yeah, that's what I said, Meggallah. Yeah, but you do, you, you'll be taking it. Like, we'd be having these good moments, and then you're like, hell no. Like, you could have just been like, nothing happened this year. But you know, next year, you'll make it to the carpet, Lauren. I don't know if that's the case. I have no idea. People make it to the carpet next year.

I don't know that to be true. I mean, if that's what you want, cool, I'm rooped for you, but are you doing it for me? I don't know anymore. Did you try? Yeah, we, yeah, we submitted. They said that it was high capacity. They ain't seen a hip-hop list. Would you feel a lot of pressure in terms of your own outfit then?

Like, as the people on the carpet, do you also have to? Oh, yeah, I would. But knowing that, like, you don't really get seen for real. It's like, you know, you come cute. When does that stop you? Did you all see what she had on at the Black Effect Podcast Festival? No. I look like a goddess.

She had on your outfit with fur on your. Did you like my outfit? Kind of like a light green. Yes. Did you like my outfit? It was giving BET gospel awards. That's what it was. She was going to bring out Bobby Womack, Donnie McClickland.

You know what I mean? I just like when you. Yeah. When you show up, you should show up is what I feel. Yeah. No, I'm with you. You should be happy. Like, set the standard for coming to the,

every time that hair is fully shaved and he got sneakers on, he'd get real new. I'm just telling you what we all saw at the festival, okay? And by the way, you were dressed great. It just wasn't for the festival. It's for wherever. The world is my runway and every day is a day. That's why God not going to let you do the Meggallet until you humble yourself.

First of all, I'm very humble, but I believe you should take advantage of everything. No, no, no, no, no. I'm being humble with the clothes. The outfit that you would wear on that Meggala carpet would be so ridiculous. I wouldn't even do that because I would need the space to be able to stand and actually work.

That's what Zuri was dressed up, though? Yeah, she was dressed up, but you heard when I asked her in the interview, I said, how long did it take you? She said, I focused on the work, so it didn't take me as long. That's right. You got to focus on,

you're on a Met Gala carpet. You got to produce. Like, you can't play around over there. My fellow brilliant idiots, how did y'all feel about seeing Zuri Hall on the red carpet? She's been doing it for the last. decade.

They probably used to it now. But that's my point. It's just like, but just think of like, that's, that's, that's one of ours. You know what I mean? Like, we all came up together. Zuri was my, when I did Uncommon Sense on MTV 2, my first co-host was Zuri. Wow. Zori did the pilot with me, and then Zuri did the first episode.

And then E was like, nah, we want Zuri her. And she left. And then that's when Crystal became my co-host. And E is was so coveted. When I first moved to LA, I was just trying to do a page program just so I could even get close to E-News and just, like, witness it because it was such a hard thing to become a part of. Damn, they rejected you too? Damn. How many places have rejected you?

Why did TMZ even take you in? Oh, my God. No, I'm asking a question. She gets so much rejection between Medgala. So much rejection. So I'm just saying, why did TMD take her in? It's like, fatherless, can't get it, yes, can't get a minute. Like, you, everything that you put out is the complete option.

Why did TMZ take you in? Because they noticed the hustle. And you got a hustle to be in a newsroom like a TMZ. I was on the bus. I did apply. Actually, it was via email. I emailed them like twice every single day for like three weeks. To say what?

Hire me. Here's my resume. I see if you have a job available. Y'all need to hire me. Oh, so there was a job opening? Yes, on the bus. I was a tour guy first. Got you, got you, got you.

And then they brought me as a tour guy. And from the tour guy, I was breaking news from the tour bus. So they started, like, who the heck is this and why? And then once they started asking that, I started asking for things. Like, I want to come in the newsroom. So you started, what, seeing things as you was on the bus? So you would ride places. And if you would see celebrities, you would stop and get off the bus.

So when I would see celebrities, like, I got Larry King. And we talked about this was when Trump first started, like, being super, super, like, Republican and crazy. And you know, him and Larry King are friends. I got Larry King coming out of the bank, and he got real emotional because they were such good friends. And he was like, I've never seen him like this before. Then I got Mariah Carey. She talked about her divorce from Nick Cannon, and it was like the first time she had ever talked about it. I was just really good at, like, talking to people and knowing what people wanted to know.

You mean TMZ has a bus that takes people around L.A. looking for stuff? Yeah. Okay. Yep, yep. And they made Lawrence in the back of it. They did not make me sit in the back. Don't say that. No.

Sorry, guys, you sit in the front. If they were sitting in the back, I would have a whole different. type of bag. I have a question for you, Lauren. What is your interest in celebrity news? I don't know. She's basically like, why you nosey as fuck? No, you know what I'm asking that, though?

You know what I'm asking? Because I used to be like, before even coming into this, I loved watching it or hearing about celebrities, but now being in it, you don't. I don't. It's been like this forever. I've always just. I've been fascinated by like TV and

the glips and the glam and I don't know it's just always been a thing for me like watching even like watching like Moisha and shows like that I thought it was so fired as she lived in California and she was young and she was I don't know

well not only reason why but as when I was younger my dad always was like they're just people Taylor like they're just on TV I feel like that, but there are certain people, like we, can I say who we interviewed today? Yeah. So we interviewed Maya today. And when she walked in, I was like, oh, shit.

Like, it's Maya. Yeah, because it's part of your, it's because you grow up watching these people or like whatever. But I don't know, it's not even like the celebrity of it all. I think it's just like culturally I've always been so like, I don't know, like I just, I remember I used to fly into New York when I would be coming back from L.A. And the first thing I would do is put on the radio because I was always fascinated with New York Radio, even though I didn't understand it. because Angie Martinez was in brown sugar. And, like, I care so much about Angie Martinez because of her interviews.

And then I care so much about a lot of other people because of their clothes and I cared about fashion. I just always been, like, wanting to absorb the culture of things. I realized about Maya's so pretty today, too. Yeah, she's still. What do you mean why is she so pretty? I realize why. Because it's soft.

Her inner glow. She's so sweet. The work she's done internally comes out externally. Oh, Taraji slammed the Met Gala. Oh, Lord. Taraji slammed the Met Gala. Can we, can we, okay.

Can we see what to rock? Wow, top interracial couple rankings. What the fuck is this? That's us, Taylor? Do you want to see this or you want to go back to the floor? Let me see the top, now I got to see the top interracial couple rankings. It's Megyn Markle and Prince Harry. The most...

This is by... Oh, oh, by... Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh. Let me see what this list is scroll up, Taylor. This is very interesting. Scroll up, let me. The U.S. census just put out the most common interracial couples in the country.

Thoughts. The most common interracial couples list via U.S. census. Number one, white man, Hispanic, Latino woman. Wow. Number two, Hispanic, Latina man, white woman. Number three, white man, Asian woman. Let's go. Number four, black man, white woman.

Wow. That had to be top three at one point. Shout out to Dr. Umar and all the work that you've done to knock that down a peg of three. Number five, Hispanic, Latina man, black woman. Number six, black man, Hispanic, Latino woman. Let's go. Number seven, Asian man, white women. Number eight, white man, black woman.

Number nine, Asian man, Hispanic, Latino woman, or Hispanic, Latina Man Asian Woman. That's too much. Number 10, Black Man Asian Woman. Wow. That feels low. You think? I feel like that's low, too.

Well, I also researched since, I couldn't find, I don't know if this is really. But that's okay. Black man, Asian woman seems low, Chris. I think it would be very hard for them to find each other. My brother is. Where would they interact with each other except for Wu-Tang concerts? My brother's married to a Filipino. New York and L.A.

Yeah. What? It's basically in the industry. That's what y'all are everywhere You can find it in Jamaica Jamaica No for sure Caribbean yeah yeah yeah

Because they be fake Dressing a little bit And then they give you You can get away with it Because she's not white But she's also not black So it's like oh but she's not white So when the black man got to explain that

To the people that's asking them questions It's like oh she's not white though What's the percentage of Asian people In America Because I agree with you Taylor I think in the Caribbean It's probably more prevalent now, especially in Jamaica.

Especially in Jamaica. I meet a lot of people. Close to 8%. Oh, that's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. They're taking over all.

L.A., there's a lot of Asians. They're taking over, baby. They're in mad different countries. On a nice summer day, if you go to certain places and just ride by all the restaurants where you can sit outside, you'll see a lot of number 10. A lot of number 10 and a lot of number 8. What's 8?

White man, black woman. Especially in the South. What? Why you stop? Why? You're going to say some of her. Don't stop? We're going to bleep you too.

Go ahead. No, no. Oh, yeah, they didn't know I got? No. You sucked a pink dick? Never in my life. Oh. Sorry.

Oh, my gosh. You're lost. My bad. My bad, girl. I didn't even, like, come for you. What? That's crazy. You used to have a white fetish, though.

No, I didn't. I thought Travis. You loved Travis Kelsey and you loved Chet Hanks. Why do you be throwing Chet Hanks on me? Why did you want to throw Chet Hanks on you? No shade to Chet Hanks because you're super cool. But like, why are you people? You put me on the phone with Chad Hanks.

Because I was trying to get him to do an interview for us. The only reason he would do it is because he fanned out about Charlamagne for about 20 minutes. No. Little Charlemagne. Why wouldn't you not want him? When Chet was talking about, when Chet was out here talking like Safari, had her going. Big up the whole island,

massive it's your boy Chetana. The fact that you even think I go for something that that is that corny, it's crazy. Che wasn't corny? You think Chet was corny? That whole Caribbean Chet was weird.

No shade, Chet, but you know, you heard from the people. It just wasn't your vibe. I don't know if you all like his dad, like, I don't think y'all had him more. I'll fuck with Chet. I fuck with the Hanks family. No issue.

That's a gay son. That's a gay son. Like, I had something for him. That's not true. And I always thought Travis Kelsey was cute. And Chet, you said Chad was cute. I never did. So you couldn't date a white guy.

Could you date an Asian guy? No, I'd want to date a black guy. I don't want to date an Asian guy or a white guy. I tried to date one white guy only because... See? No, look, it was one day. I was in L.A. And I don't know.

It was just like, I'm here. Let me just see why people do it. And then I started talking to him. And he was like, I'm not going to get into what he did, but he was very successful. And I was like, I want to experience that. And experience, like, what? It's like to just like, he was like, show up here. I have a car here.

And I was like, okay, I just went along with it. Man, they do none of that trick. He was very successful. What do you do? I was young. What's the industry? He sent the black truck. He said the night.

He had a driver. So it was a driver? Oh, it was a driver? We went out. We got sushi. The date lasted for about maybe an hour. And then he was trying to do stuff after. And I'm like, I can.

What he was trying to do, Lord? Like he wanted to go out? Like, he wanted to go. Like a white guy, white guy, white guy? A white guy. Like a little hip hop. No, no, no, no, no, no. People are adjacent don't really count if you're going to try it.

He was white guy, white guy. Okay. No, because they don't. Like, they got tattoos, they think they hit, you know. But when I googled him before that, his ex-wife and the mother, his kids was so white, I was like, oh, no. What was his net worth? Did you Google that? He was so wild.

I don't remember the number at this time, but from what he owned a bunch of different things, like a bunch of, there's a brand of gym that you can franchise. It's really big. He owned, like, 15 of them. So I knew that he was doing something for himself, but when I go with that... So maybe the problem was he was wealthy and had expectations around that. Not that he was white. No, it was because he was white. And his, his, what he dated before me was super, super white.

So I was a little nervous. I'm like, is this a fetish thing? Like, what do you want in? How did you guys meet in the first place? I was at a bar. Okay. And this is going to sound so crazy, but this is the real story. I have friends there to verify it.

I was at a bar and I was ordering a drink and some white guy walked up and was trying to talk to me, but he touched my hair. And I was like, don't touch me. And so he walked up and was like, yo, don't do that. Like, you can't just put your hands on people. He was like, oh, I apologize. So we started talking. They probably planned.

That was a set up. That was a straight plan. Straight plan. I know what God did play when I see one. But I didn't remember his name. It didn't go far at all. But I just tried it because I'm like, I'm in L.A. I'm mine as well.

But my mom was like, you need to be careful because white men fetish after black women and it can get dangerous. Tell him, they did a lot of white guys. She didn't have that problem. Excuse me? You did? No, I denied. No. One?

Ain't no white guy. No, a guy that's been down. A white guy. I just played pillow princess with a white guy, but that's it. Oh, you let? You said what? You let a white guy taste it? For my ancestors, yeah.

That's what is the hate? I believe in reparations with Taylor. Why is that crazy? That is so crazy. I got to text P again. P, she just said some shit on this. You made me to edit it. Me and me.

Me and. What? I got a text. He knows all myself. I don't know if I can't ask you this. Me? You go for it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait. Why is that crazy? Nothing else happened. That's crazy. Why? Because I can't see myself getting aroused enough to even take off anything with those. He was one of them hip-hop white guys. No shit.

I'm sorry. Tell her, tell her take head from anybody. Tell her, you know, that's why I know you and homie cool. Me and me, you know what I say? My other homie, they I call a little head monster. You know what I'm talking about? That's why y'all cool. Me and her, the same night.

Our birthday is like right next year. You know what I'm saying? That's exactly what the problem is. Them two right there will get head from anybody like a man. You know what I'm saying? I can't do it. I know men that are getting hair from anybody. Y'all too?

Y'all just like them. As white men, do your families be giving your warnings about black girls? Like, do they, because like in our family, it's like, don't take the white man. He got a fetish. It can get creepy. Make sure you see what his exes look like. Meet the family a little bit at a time just in case they're trying to get you.

Well, a little depends on the family. Yeah, maybe my grandfather. Meet the family. They're trying to get you. Yeah. That is just get out or something like, what's going on? You don't think so? That was a fictional movie.

But I can't. But I wouldn't. Actually, I did a black woman in college. You said the same thing when I first tried to talk to. She was like, I got to be honest, the idea of having sex with a white man is disgusting to me. Damn. And two years later, she wanted to get married. Yeah.

To you? Oh, shit. Oh, I'm your shit, Chris. Oh. Oh, you're saying because of your. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not.

I know. That's right. I didn't. What did you say? What do you say, Chris? No. I was looking at, they got the little, they got the reasoning next to it. I didn't see that.

Let me see. Black man, Asian woman says the least common. What does it say, Taylor? No, go down. Which one? At the bottom, the number 10. The least common major interracial pairing, but growing as black man, Asian woman. Asian man, Hispanic, Latino woman, less common overall, more common on the West Coast.

White man, black woman, less common than number four, but continues to rise. Asian man, white woman, less common than the reverse, but steadily increasing. Black man, Hispanic, Latino woman, also very common, especially in large cities. Hispanic, Latino man, black woman, black woman, grown. growing in many urban areas across the U.S. Black man, white woman, the most common interracial pairing involving black men. What else? Scroll up, Taylor.

Number three, white man, Asian woman, one of the most visible and common interracial pairings. But there's a debate going on about this online. What is the debate? So people who have Asian dads and white moms are saying they're more ethical than people with white dads and Asian moms. Ethical? Like a joke. But they're basically like, we're more extraordinary

because any white man can pull an Asian woman. But it takes a special Asian woman to pull a white woman. I would be honest with you. I think it takes a special Asian man to pull any kind of woman because of the stereotype. Oh, yeah. A little meat. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Like that, that's, you guys. No, that introduces you when you walk in the room. It does. You know what I'm saying? It's the same way. that women, any men, we look at your sneakers and your foot, like, first.

You don't do that? I used to not anymore. Hey, I don't think that matter. Would you be more likely if you had to to date an Asian man or a white man? If you had to pick between the two. Probably Asian for the same reason that black men would do an Asian woman. It's because it's... At least it's not white. Yeah. Okay.

The stereotypes used to hear about Asian women. Does the white men have like an English accent? I'll do that. Oh. I love an English accent. Well, we was young, they used to tell us that if If you have sex with an Asian girl, you got to do it. Come on. Jesus. What?

I'm serious. The state the vagina was . I promise you. Yeah, they used to say that. I don't know why that came from. I feel like you're not allowed to say that anymore. Yeah, you're not. You don't have to feel that way.

You can be confident. Oh. I don't, I'm just saying what the old stereotype was. That's considered bad now? Yeah. Why? Anything leaning to anywhere. I'm not saying it.

I'm really asking why. Like, I don't, because I don't. Oh, hilarious. I didn't know that. That's a fucking hilarious. But they do, though. Oh, my God. Tell a fucking game.

Teller the fucking game. But you know why I'm allowed to say? No, no. Taylor, move it to Rajji. Taylor, stop. Taylor, move it to Rajji. I want my chocolate in because I know exactly what I can and can't say to him. But that shit don't work.

don't work out. If that shit don't work out, I bet you end up with an Asian away man. It's going to work out. Maybe. Jennifer Lewis and Taraji B. Henson called out celebs for attending Met Gala, sponsored by Jeff Bezos. Oh shit. Look at him in the new beard. Since he been with Lauren Sanchez, he is. Let's hear, Jennifer Lewis, please. I like Jeff with the new beard.

Okay, so I hadn't seen any of it. I had been running around all day. And then my girlfriend called and said, Jennifer, they showed up anyway. I said, but they cut nearly 30,000 jobs and gutted the Washington Post. They showed up anyway, postering and posing, hoping to be the most. They cut one billion in funding for children's nutrition. And there they all were vying for the next position. Huh.

We're at war. That's her. I mean, we talked about this a lot on Breakfast Club this week. Listen, I'm not mad at anybody for any stance that they want to take. But Jeff Bezos was the, he was the closing this year for the MetGala, the co-chairs. He was one of the sponsors, one of the least sponsors. It's reported he donated at least $10 million, not donated, but, but gave $10 million to sponsor the gala.

Okay, so it's a one-off thing. So, yeah, you can boycott the MetGala this year, but if you really got a grape with Jeff Bezos, then you should not subscribe to the Washington Post. You should, you know, not use Amazon to get your packages delivered. You should, you know, not subscribe to Amazon, you know, prime. Like if you're an actor or an actress, then Amazon's still. studios, MGM studios, which Amazon bought.

If they reached out to you to do a movie, are you going to say no? Amazon was a corporate sponsor to at a Maggala in 2012. I just think it's very tricky when you take these kind of stands because you're not going to look consistent and people are going to call you on. You know what I'm saying? Like the audience is going to look and be like, well, what about all of these other things that you all partaking? Like one of the craziest things that I saw this week was, I don't know if y'all saw the conversation where they were like, getting that people on on social media about

who they think unintentionally helped Trump. So it was like black people canceling other black people. Oh, you was on that live? I might have been on there. They love saying that about you. I know, but I saw them doing that to kill a mic a lot,

which I got, that's a whole other conversation. I'm suiting to my guy, kill a Mike. But I was sitting there thinking to myself, man, y'all are saying, which is false, by the way, that people like kill a Mike, unintentionation, helped Trump win just because he dared to question the Democratic Party, right? And dared to challenge them on things that they may not have been doing right.

But you're doing this on a platform like X? Right. Where the owner of X donated $250 fucking million to Trump's campaign and use X to amplify MAGA and suppress anybody who was anti-Maga. Y'all only got no smoke for him. But y'all got smoke for black people that you say, you know, might have unintentionally helped Trump win?

People don't have smoke for him or they have it. He just don't go nowhere. What do you mean? Say that again? Like, so you're talking about people driving Teslas and all these things, right? Get off?

What would it take the Get Off X? It wouldn't take anything. What would it take to not buy a Tesla? People do be having smoke for Elon Musk. It just... Not like we'd be having smoke for each other. No, not at all. It come and it go, though.

Like, it doesn't sustain because he... Marks up. He's bigger than the smoke. Mark Zuckerberg was a Trump supporter. I don't see you get him off Instagram. Sam Altman, Trump supporter. Like, I don't see y'all not using- Enabler. I don't know if those last two are supporters,

but enablers for sure. They donated money in his campaign. If you were enabled, if you sit at an inauguration, if you don't dis-and-shunds. Like, what was Elon? Elon was given the Gok-Goc-G-T-Elland. One of the three big problems in the country, right? You see what I'm saying?

Like, literally. And no, not only did he donate money to the campaign, and, you know, helped to amplify a MAGA messaging. Man, why do we forget what he did with Doge? Do not forget that. Hundreds of thousands of federal workers out of jobs. Because this just got literally took a chainsaw and just started wrecking shit. Like, I was, I remember being in my daughter's cheerleading competition in Maryland, you know,

when they first got in the office and the amount of people that were coming up to me saying, man, I just lost my job or I'm going to lose my job. Because they would do that check-in thing? Because of Doge. Yeah, I remember that. So it's just like, it's just, it's just, you know, I'm going to lose my job. weird to me to watch us call for the cancellation of black people on platforms of people who really helped Trump get in the office. And I really, the killer Mike rhetoric kills me so much

because there's things that, you know, we've said publicly, if you go watch me and Killam Mike's conversation on his podcast conversation, we had this whole conversation. Like, Killer Mike, he absolutely supported Kamala Harris. A hundred percent. Like, I got. I got. I I had Killer Mike and Kamala on Zoom's together. Like when she ran in 2024, I was connecting Mike with Kamala's campaign. Mike had a whole door-knocking strategy he wanted to do with Kamala in Georgia.

But her team was looking at, wasn't really looking at Georgia as a battleground state. Like they wasn't looking at it as a state that they really felt like they needed to lean into too much. But he wanted to do that. I connected him. He was on the phone with her people. They just never could make it work.

So I hate when, you know, people say these things with just because you question the Democratic Party. Even the, even the comment that they're saying, Killam Mike, pull that up Taylor, pull up Killamike. On the View. On the View. No, it wasn't on the View. It was on TMZ. Pull up Killer Mike. Oh, you know what, actually, I got it in my goddamn phone.

I am so tripping. I have it in my phone. They said, killer Mike says playing identity politics won't pay off for Democrats in Kamala Harris. Instead, because they all, they never leave this part out. Instead, he says, she'll have to lean into the progressive movement if she wants the presidency. I'm going to repeat that. Killer Mike says playing identity politics won't pay off for Democrats and Kamala Harris. Instead, he says, she'll have to lean into the progressive movement if she wants to presidency.

Do the progressive movement identity politics? Mm-mm. No. Progressive movement could be... You mean more like a Bernie Sanders? Yes. Think about the people who wanted her to speak out against Israel. We're really talking about Israel. And the genocide.

Yeah, what was going on in Gaza? Like, that, to me, are progressive policies. But what did Mike say wrong in that statement? Nothing. There's nothing wrong with that thing. But nobody's talking about the second part of that. Guess who else would tell you right now she probably needed to lean more into progressive policies? Kamala Harris.

What are we doing? We spend it all day long attacking each other on these people's platforms who really, really intentionally helped Trump get in the White House. They didn't help.

They paid for it. They paid for it. Yeah, you see it? They paid for it. You're on the same platform that they use. They amplify certain messaging and suppress certain messages.

They amplified MAGA messaging and suppressed anti-Maga messaging. But y'all are using that same platform. the kick in the back of a foreign national I would add a foreign national yeah you're never going to see the mass exodus though of people leaving those big social media platform but why are we so quick to cancel each other I don't know it's so quick to misunderstand each other yeah it's it's strange to me but once again do what you need to do if you feel like you want to not go to the met gala

or whatever it is cool people not invited anyway that's the that's the thing that boughs me the Most. People are not invited anyway. What? You know how hard it? Even some celebrities have never been invited to the MetGala. That is very true. But that goes back to my larger point.

If you really want to be against Bezos, there's a whole lot of things you can give up. Are you willing to? It's hard. I've thought about it. It's hard. What? Not going to the Met Gallo? No.

I'm not going to help that. I was like, you got invited and didn't tell Charlemagne, you know I was trying to get on that. No, do you stop getting orders from Amazon Prime? No, that's so hard. Outside of the politics of it But I didn't know what the other stuff About what it's doing To small businesses across the country

Right? Like how many businesses have gone out Because everybody Just orders shit online, right? But you could put your small business You could create an Amazon storefront Yeah But you don't want to be on Amazon There's a theory

She said don't take Amazon Prime But create an Amazon storefront You see what they're doing? No, I thought that he was saying Like even if you're not boycotting it It takes away from small businesses But they created a way where you can empower your small business through Amazon.

Sure, but it's also this idea that physical communities are stronger when there are shops and stores owned by people. I don't even know how to shop anymore. Like, I don't know how clothes shop. I went into H&M the other day, did not know what I was doing. Once again, these stands, they're very hard. Like, when you take them, they're very hard because people are going to call you out on not being consistent. And they're going to ask, well, what about all these other things? It was the same thing when they started boycott and Target.

I'm like, so y'all boycott and Target because they rolled back their DEI initiatives. But what about all these other place? What about the Walmarts and the Lowe's and the McDonald's and all? Like, there's a bunch of people that rolled back to the DIY initiatives. Like, I forgot in the midst of the boycott. I forgot that the boycott was like happening

because it was like, it wasn't as like prevalent as it should have been. And me and my mom was in Target one day. I remember she came over to me and she whispered. She was like, we're not supposed to be here. And I was like, where, mom? We could be anywhere where we want. She was like, targets. And I was like,

because she was mad black people, though. Targets. I'm like, oh, we're supposed to be boycotting. But I feel like I, they announced it. And then it just, it wasn't as loud and strong until they got in the debacle about whether it was canceled or not. Do you think black people just don't have a stand for anything? I think we just don't understand our power a lot of times.

So we don't understand that, like, even if you don't fully support it, but you know that the other side is bad. If you just stood together, how much that could really, like, do. I don't know if we. what y'all said is true. It's very hard because it's everything. Like literally, even if you just talk about

the DEI initiative, Amazon rolled back some of its diversity and equity inclusion program. AT&T. Bank of America. Black Rock, Boeing. Who else? It's a bunch of people. Pepsi.

City group. It's just too, it's so many. It was fair. about you know what I mean Ford like Goldman Sachs like come on y'all I'm not saying by the way I'm not saying that you shouldn't take stands you're saying it takes a lot more strategy than it does emotion because people are all you call always call you out on your inconsistency that's all I'm simply saying let's pay some bills and um do some asking idiots man I thought he was having some issues I heard you

talking yeah I'll let you play with him about a lot of things don't play with him no I just are Don't. I thought you said somebody's sugar and his blood. Never ever in my life have I ever. And if it was, I wouldn't talk to you about it. You weren't. I heard you talking to tell him. That's a lie.

My man is good. He don't need no link. You're not pre-diabetic? He don't need. My grandmother, I told you was pre-diabetic. Why was you giving her blue-chew? I wasn't giving her. There was somebody that was pre-diabetic you was giving blue-chew.

You are alive. Stop talking. What else we got to you? Let's do some asking idiots. Lauren get on these podcasts and start lying for no reason. You are a liar. What you mean? What you mean?

Shout out to Drusky. Drewski. Don't be hosting the 2020s to be a T awards. Can't wait to see that. Okay. Asking idiots. underscore taps underscore. Do you put Cardi on the same tier

as Pinkett Smith Winfrey knows Carter? Do I put Cardi on the same tier? What's the last name again? Not on the same tier because Cardi is. Herty's last name. Yeah, my last name is Pinkett Smith, Winfrey, knows Carter. I don't put Cardi on that same tier because

those are like my old G, you know, big brother, big sister, auntie. I'm just talking about like people that I look to tell him, why are you keep moving? Why do you have to move it? Why do you keep moving? Wait, what is you just saying? I'm not moving nothing and let them think it's him. Why do you

keep doing that? It just keeps moving. I don't do blue chew. But no, I don't put Cardi on that same take, because those people inspired me in different ways. Cardi inspires me, too, but Cardi is younger. Cardi is like, I don't know, that's like the younger cousin or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Cardi's different. I didn't see Will Smith and Jada and Oprah and Beyonce and, you know, and Jay come up from the ground up. I seen Cardi from the beginning, so it's just different. Do I love her? Yes, absolutely, like 100%. But it's just different. I guess it's a different

tier. It's not the same tier as Pinkett Smith. You don't even know her last name. Who? Cardi. You don't know Cardi's last name. Cardi's last name is um, what's Cardi's last name? Exactly. No, I do know her last name, but I just can't pronounce it. Neither can you. It's me. It's like a Melmanzar. Yeah, Almanzar. What is it? I thought I have to like put it like a... Exactly. That's what.

Almarzard. No, I thought it's not. No, it starts with a B. No. No, that's his first name. That's her first name. Huh? You're talking about Bella Calisse or Belakalese? I can't say her name.

I can't remember. I just do it looks like a line at the doctor's office. I know that much. What is it? How do you pronounce it? I'm about to just show it to you. You try to pronounce it. Yep.

Still can't pronounce it. Looking right at it. Still can't pronounce it. Where did Cardi from? Bacardi. Yeah, Bacardi. Yeah, Bacardi. And Hennacy.

Her sister is Hennessee. McCartie and Hennacy. Yeah, but. Bacardi, like liquor. People would call her. She liked Bacardi? Because of Belkley, people would call her Bacardi. Okay.

I don't know if that's true. But you can go with that. It doesn't matter. Anyways. If Charlotte had hair, would he be more handsome? Taha. You see what he said, though. Baby, that's a question mark.

Be more. That is not a question. If Charlotte had hair, would he be more handsome? Ain't nothing statement about that. That is a question mark. It's a big more. He put that in so that he could just get the question at. Won't you find out?

A-I-me. Why is that your stance? You'd be sizzling with sass. Just AI, AI. Now you got three things to AI. Allo Wabongi says, where does Justin Bibo rank in the all-time pop stars? Oh, Justin got to be top five. No.

All-time? Easy. Who's your all-time? Pop-star. Pop stars? Like straight. pop music. I could name

a hundred people over there. Rame them. Yeah, Britney's definitely up there, yes. Britney Spears. Name them. You got to see the Beatles, right? I don't put Mike as a pop star.

What do you talk? The King of Pop star. They say that because they can't think of nothing else. First of all, Michael didn't even do pop music. Michael did disco, Michael did R&B, Michael did dance. Michael didn't even do pop music.

I know they call him the King of Pop, but it's only because he was so popular. By the way, that movie was fire. I haven't seen. All of y'all have, I will never listen to any of y'all critics ever again. Suck my dick from the back. Crazy your thing that is really bad? I just saw people with their think pieces online.

It's like, yo, shut the fuck up. That movie made me feel so good after I left. It was so, it was just good. It just was a feel-good movie, man. I would go see it again right now. I took my kids. Madonna. Madonna definitely made pop music.

See, I can't put, like, I just- I just said, who's the top five? They put Michael Jackson. Madonna, Prince, Beyonce, Taylor Swift. None of those people make pop music to me. What about Justin Timberlake? He's like R&B. I don't think Justin makes music.

Really? You think no. In sync, hello was all pop music. Yeah, I know. Yeah, not great. He's talking about. But that's what I mean. When I think Justin, I think of in sync. And that's pop music. Yes. I think of backs, but not, you said Justin.

Backstreet Boys. But Justin Timber was pops. Oh, no. Not his solo stuff. Brittany Spears is pop. That's what Justin Bieber ranks to be. I don't, like, I don't put the Michael Jackson, the prince is not pop music.

Oh, what is it? How? Oops, I did it again compared to fucking diamonds and pearls? What do we talk about? Yeah, but like, Britney Spears had some slow ballads also. It's like they made a whole bunch of different type of music. They were pop up. She has like slow songs. It's not popular ones, but maybe. Lucky, that's the slow one. I love that song.

Justin B was definitely one the biggest. She's so lucky. She's a star, but she cried, cry, cry, cries. But they're still like pop, like, it sounds like, oh, if there's nothing. Chat GPT got Justin Bidler in the top 15 all-time pop stars. And they said, depending on criteria. Top 15 is, yes, but top five, it just doesn't feel right. They said, depending on criteria, you could argue top 10. They said he ranks so high because he's one of the first true social media-born superstars,

global teen hysteria, comparable to peak boy band of Beto Mania Energy, massive crossover success in pop R&B, EDM, and screaming, survived the difficult transition from child star to adult artists, extremely influential on modern male pop stars and internet fandom culture, huge international reach, especially in Latin America, Asia, and Europe, one of the most screamed artists ever. Y'all forgetting also Spice Girls, hello. I was going to say Justin up there.

I see how Justin not top five all-time pop stars. Well, I'm going to say top five still, though. He's maybe top ten. It just seems like he's so young. It's 20. Like there should be more to choose from before you get to Justin Bieber. Not that he's not Justin Bieber, but. Yeah.

And pop is a weird genre because pop definitely has a sound, but then they label anybody popular that's pop. Like, because pop just is short for popular. So it's like, that's whack to me. Like, there is a pop star sound. Like, we know that bubble gum shit we'd be listening to. They have the mic here. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

Let's do a couple more, man. What else we got, Taylor? So fresh, so raw. if you could go back at any point in your life to alter a significant moment, would you? You, Lauren, when you fell off the bed, hit your head, ball spot forever? The hell up.

Did I bring up the woman with the jerk girl? Wow, that's crazy. To bring up child abuse? You brought up my father, this whole episode. This whole episode, this whole episode, I'm fatherless, my dad left me. I don't understand, no, because my dad rejects me. I don't want to hear nothing.

But I just said you fell off of bed and bumped your head and got a ball spot for ever. It's fair game, baby. And you... Would you take... What would you take you? Can I say minds? Because this is crazy.

Yes, go ahead. I would go back to giving birth and wait a little bit longer if I could. What do you mean? Like I got induced and I wish I waited out a little bit. Why, you want to push it out? Yeah, maybe. Push him out. Why?

Tell me why. Because, like, hearing other people is, I just feel like, oh, I could have to necessarily get induced. I felt like he was late and I was just ready to... So when you're getting induced, you still don't push? No, I could. Like, they, I got...

Yeah, I got that. My body did not react well to that at all. But also, I just feel like the situation I had, the doctor and all that confusing, like... They push you towards it. Yeah.

You got a C-Sexam. I got a C-Section. There's more. There's more money. Yeah. There's more money and they can keep a schedule. And also, I didn't have, but you know my situation with the doctor like that. It was in a good situation.

So. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Last one. Last one. I'm not going up on it, but I'm saying I would want to. But having two kids who were given naturally. Yeah.

There's no big difference. Oh, I definitely want to do natural. I definitely want to do natural. I'm definitely getting that epidural. It's definitely. Yeah. No, no, I know. I know that.

I'm just saying, though, I wish I didn't rush it. I got three, we got three that came through the one, one that came C-section. There's a difference. Yo. How does C-section, baby, yeah. That's the wild. She's, there's a difference. And my son, I know exactly.

My son's going to be wild anyway, with his parents, so it doesn't remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Patrick is. He'd be chilling, but don't play with him. All right. Let's do one more, man. Alex got to get to the in-laws.

Alexa Grin says Ooh, this is a good one to end on What's your advice on how to build discipline? First you've got to identify what you're not being disciplined about. True. And then you should identify what small changes you can do first

and then once you get those done consistently you should have the repetition enough to be like all right, I can challenge myself to do the bigger change that I need and then honestly just do it. Yeah, my advice on how to build discipline is you have to live life, meaning that you have to

allow yourself enough time to make your own mistakes and watch the mistakes of other people. Because that's how you build discipline, right? You build discipline by seeing things not go right and saying, I don't want that to happen to me. I don't want that to be me. And if you've already made those mistakes,

then you learn from those mistakes and you get discipline from that. Or you can watch what somebody else is going through and be like, nah, that person. and fucked up with that, I'm going to be different. I can look at a, and respectfully, I can look at a fat person and be like, okay, I got to be more discipline. You know what I'm saying?

Like, because, especially when you see people get fat. But not all people gain weight in our fat because of lack of discipline. Some people was like a health thing. That's not true. Yeah. That's just not true. And I'm tired of this, silliness.

We're going to stop this. It's 2006. I know people who got fat simply because they lack this. There aren't some people. Because they eat too much fast food, too much processed food. they drink, don't get proper sleep, especially in this business. Oh, my God.

You and Mimi were just talking about the fact that you gain weight when you start working with Breakfast Club because your sleep schedule is so crazy. Like you're eating- Maybe you can't get fat. Please, Mimi don't get fat. Don't let the street.

The other day we were talking and she literally was like, I'm making it up because I'll be telling her it's okay, go to bed, wake up early, finish it in the morning. And she was like, I'm doing it now because she noticed that she started to gain weight Because your sleep schedules all overplace and it's right. But that's discipline.

Having a sleep schedule is discipline. Also having a passion is discipline too, because you're going to work hard to get to where you're trying to be too, though. And that works at the discipline. That's right. The people who are, I think, actually get there. All right, gang, gang. As always, if listening to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant.

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