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Episode Date: April 23, 2020

This week Charlamagne and Andrew discuss Michael Jordan Doc, his dominance and legacy, talk about motivation, purpose, also #askanidiot and more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm.../adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's so stupid. It's positively brilliant. Yep, Shalamaine the guy. Andrew Shultz. We are the brilliant idiots. Back for another week of stupid genius. That's what we are, baby. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:00:18 By the way, it is a, I think it's a thin line between genius and stupidity because the main thing about most geniuses is they have to think that the wild shit that pops in their mind that's so not. like what everybody else is thinking can actually work. Right. And then going to execute it. It's always crazy until it gets done. Then you're like, oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Yeah. It's like everybody who's ever done anything unique has been called stupid and crazy first. Apps are fucking looting. I read something yesterday. They was like, Mark Zuckerberg held a meeting for Facebook back in the day. And only two people showed up. And those two people are now billionaires along. with Mark Zucky B.
Starting point is 00:01:02 What you think about Zuckerberg? How do you think he's handling this? Do you think his wife is a spy from China? What is your whole feeling about? I think that motherfucker, I saw Mark Zuckerberg on CNN the other day, and he was looking at his wife, like he was just waiting for her to do something that she didn't have no business doing.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Like, you know, that shit was wow. When I saw them on CNN, she was looking at him, like, say something, say something. Say something wrong. Say one thing fucking wrong. You didn't see what, like he was like this. Like, she was talking. And he was like this.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Like, like right in her face the whole time. I started to take- Huh? Wait, why is she talking? Why do we care of Mark Zuckerberg's wife got to say about anything? I'm, to be honest with you, I didn't pay attention to either one of them. I had it on and I listened to him for a little while, but I was like, they weren't offering any new commentary.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I thought that they was talking about, like, maybe they were, maybe that's what they were talking about, the misinformation on Facebook and how they're handling it in regards to coronavirus. Because, you know, it's all of these conspiracy theories. about coronavirus and people spreading different medications that they can use. I think that's what the conversation might have been about. But I'm surprised nobody screenshoted that picture and made a meme that said, America looking at China right now.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Because the way he was looking at his wife looks was so crazy. I'm like, God, damn. He was almost looking at her like, don't tell him. Don't tell him what's really going on. But were we not right? Didn't China fake some numbers? Didn't China let the whole world get this shit? I got to say, our Asian specialists.
Starting point is 00:02:35 He didn't step up, did he? No, he did. From the beginning. What he said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris said that from the beginning. Chris said from the beginning, China was budging the numbers. Really?
Starting point is 00:02:44 I thought that was brave of Chris to go against his home country like that, man. No, you have to understand it. Chris is Taiwan, so this is not, he's Taiwanese. So this is not the first time he's gone against mainland China. Got you, got you, got you. Taiwan went against mainland China to become Taiwan. So it's in his blood. It's in his blood.
Starting point is 00:02:59 He resists China. Okay. So it wasn't, I can't really give him that much credit for being brave then. Nah, he's just being Taiwanese. Got you, got you, got you, got you. That's just what he does, you know? Yeah, it'd be nice if he maybe yelled a little louder about that shit. Or maybe we kicked him off the mic.
Starting point is 00:03:14 That might have been what happened. I think we did kick him off the mic. That might have been nice. Listen, by the way, hey, listen, listen, listen, everything that's happening now, listen, we might as well get into it. Positively brilliant, what a fucking idiot. We're the idiot. Because everything that's happening now, Chris definitely said what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And we literally, like, get the fuck out of here, Chris. You don't want to hear that shit. Stop being such a downer, yo. You know, why you got to be so sad all the time, Chris? You're talking about this shit going to spread. You're like, Chris, what do you mean the hospitals are going to be overcrowded? Knock it off. Get out of here.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Tust the shit ain't coming nowhere. Now? You can't even handle Lyme disease. What do you know about Corona? Of course you would think Corona was going to kill everybody. You letting Lyme disease almost kill you. Can't handle a little citrus. What the fuck you think Corona going to do that?
Starting point is 00:04:13 That's what the shit was, man. We really did that shit. Chris was like, okay, laugh now, cry later. I'm like, Chris, you know you live here with us, right? We're all in the same country. It's so true, man. He gave us the early out. and we didn't listen.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Well, thank you, Chris. Yo, you see how people are starting to rebel, man. I told you that was going to happen. You can't tell Americans what to do for too long, bro. Yeah, but that shit is bullshit. What you mean? It's not even real. Like, hold on.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I actually had an article about that shit, because I did donkey a day yesterday. I gave it to a dude from Good Morning America. I can't remember his name, George. For what? George Stop Phonopoli. But, like, it's like 80, 80, like, it's like 81% of 85% of the country. agrees with the stay-at-home order.
Starting point is 00:05:02 But those people that are protesting are really the minority. And it's like, yo, you got all of these news outlets giving them so much media attention. And, you know, you got the president tweeting about them. And it works for the president because the president wants to get the country back open too.
Starting point is 00:05:16 So if the president can make it look like, you know, there's so much unrest out there, so much civil unrest. So we got to get these people back to work or things are about to get crazy. That's why he's tweeting out shit, like, liberate Michigan and liberate such and such.
Starting point is 00:05:28 He wants to give the illusion that people want to get back to work. But sadly, a lot of people in America, they do want to get back to work, but they give a fuck about their health and their lives first and foremost. You want to know some wild shit, bro? Talk to me. I didn't do a piece. I didn't do a piece on it because I wasn't sure where it came from at the moment. Right?
Starting point is 00:05:48 Okay. But so my boy Mark that works with us, he found this Reddit thread, right? where it turns out, you know the protests, they were in Michigan, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yep, four places. Those were the three. It was in four places, right? So he found this Reddit there where the dude was looking into these protests
Starting point is 00:06:10 and found out that the websites... You're getting funded. No, no, not even funded. The websites for the protests were all started at the exact same time. The domains were purchased at the exact same time, right? and the Facebook pages for each one of them have the exact same or very similar wording, right? So we're like, okay, who's doing this? And the only reason I didn't do a piece on it is because I was like, I don't know who,
Starting point is 00:06:35 I don't know if this is China, wanting to continue to cripple our economy. So they want us to kind of go out there and have more people catch Corona. And then, you know, the hospitals are all fucked and everybody's fucked. Or this is Trump trying to get the business rolling again. I wasn't sure which person it was. But Alex told me today that the Daily came out. and they found out that like someone who was associated with the websites being opened was now put on the board for reopening America by Trump.
Starting point is 00:07:03 So it looks like there's a lot of information out there to support that Trump tried to start was called an astro-turf movement. You know a grassroots movement? An astro-turf movement is when you fake a grassroots movement. So they're basically saying that Trump organization tried to do an astro-turf movement to get people to reopen America. Yep. You know, if whatever you will.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And I'm going to send you the article. I should have sent it to you yesterday, but it's a Vox article. And the headline is, America doesn't want another tea party. And it's don't let Fox News fool you. 81% of Americans do not share the views of anti-quarantine protesters.
Starting point is 00:07:41 They actually have all of that in there. They have exactly what you just said. Hold on. I'm going to tell you the exact people that are funding the shit. Let me find it. Vox might be right here. I'm always very skeptical of Fox.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Vox and Fox and CNN, like the super biased media outlets. Three pro-gun groups are behind the largest Facebook group encouraging the protests. That's according to an investigation by the Washington Post. In Michigan, a group funded by Betsy DeVos, education secretary of Betsy DeVos, they helped get the word out.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Exactly. It's not exactly DeVos, but it's someone related to DeVos. It's a group funded by her. Yeah, a group that is funded by her is the one that did it. But the way that wording looks like, she gave the money and then they did it with that money. It's just a group she has supported in the past. Whatever. You got to pay people before they work.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is just how Vox works and all these fucking hacked journals. By the way, it's very easy to pay some people to do some shit like this right now. Yeah. I mean, because people need money. They need money. And you give you a $1,200 stimulus check and a little bit under the table. And all I got to do is go stand out here with a fucking sign. You know, realistically, people want to leave the house.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Let's be honest. And the second they see their bank account dwindling, they haven't paid some rent, they're like, I want to go back to work, motherfucker. You've got to let me go back to work. You're not going to sit me in my house, not pay me after that $1,200, not pay me anymore. And I just got to sit here and starve because you say so. Americans do not like being told what to do. You got to trick us into doing shit.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Definitely got to trick us into doing shit. doing shit, man. That's why I think, you know, for me, damn, we don't have a lot of positively brilliant today. I got a, you know, I got a good positively brilliant, but we'll get to it next, but I got to go. Okay. But just the whole, the whole concept of, you know, wanting getting back to work right now, I just wanting the economy to open up is fucking stupid because you've already scared us to death. You scared us into a corner, right? So being that you scared us into a corner, you think you're just going to turn
Starting point is 00:09:47 the lights back on and say, okay, everything's good now. No. The motherfuckers is still going to be very, very, very cautious. They're not going to just rush out there and start going to restaurants again. They're not going to just rush out there and start going to the gym again. They're not going to just rush out there and start going to fucking bars and shit again. So how was the economy going to recover if motherfuckers don't even feel comfortable being out there yet? I'm not going to lie, bro. The second they open up those bars, motherfuckers are going to be there.
Starting point is 00:10:11 And they're going to bring their own straw and they're going to stick that shit right into the drink. And they're going to drink that motherfucker. Dude, there is a bar in my neighborhood that has to-go drinks. and people go to the bar, they hang out outside the bar, is right there on 7th Avenue, they hang out outside the bar, they get to go drink,
Starting point is 00:10:27 and then they all basically recreate the bar outside of the bar, and you pay via Venmo, so there's no exchange of cash or anything. I'm telling you, man, people cannot wait to reconnect. Yeah. People don't want to be on baby face
Starting point is 00:10:39 and Teddy Riley's Instagram live, bro. They want to be out there listen to live music, literally live. Yeah, but that shit ain't happening. Them large crowds and shit, that shit ain't happening.
Starting point is 00:10:48 They're not letting that go down. Even these states that are reopening And they ain't letting that shit go down They ain't like they're saying Okay, you can do concerts and all that shit Like even Atlanta not opening the clubs Atlanta just doing restaurants, gyms, barbershops, hair salons
Starting point is 00:10:59 Like that club shit is dead For a while Yeah, I was talking to a buddy Mine who owns a bunch of clubs up in Boston And he said, yo, we're all shut down man And we don't know Shut the fuck down It's crazy to think about like
Starting point is 00:11:12 Think about how many people we know They're like bottle service waitresses Or they're bartenders, their waiter, like, so many people are in the service industry in America, man. I wonder if the majority of jobs in America are service-related. I really wonder that shit. We're not making nothing. That's one of the things, right?
Starting point is 00:11:33 Like, that's why it affects certain communities so differently, right? Like, you got the black community, they have unstable, shaky job. You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of these communities have unstable, shaky jobs. Bartending is a bartender may seem consistent until it's not. Yeah. know what I'm saying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:50 And now you got the only fans page. Now you got to show me those tities I've been trying to pay you to show me all of these years. Bro. And you didn't want to. Now you got to get on only fans and show them to me for the low low. I'm seeing it. We are getting tities for the low, bro.
Starting point is 00:12:08 We're getting tities for the low. Right. It's sad, bro. Even, yo, even dicks. The far out here, $20. You can see his cock. $20. He's showing you his dick.
Starting point is 00:12:18 $20. Kastanova out here for 50. Shit nasty out here in these streets early. I didn't think it was going to get this bad this early, man. Did you pay for it? Are you just looking at the blurred image? I'm just listening to them promote. Say what?
Starting point is 00:12:30 I'm just listening to them promote on their Instagram. I'm listening to Kassanova and Safari promote. They had a nice little cross promotion going this week. Are they crossing swords? No. Man, start to shut up. Kassanova was Hoop times.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Casanova was saying how he got rich nigga dick. And you got to pay to see this rich. nigga dick. And so Safari did a PSA. And Safari was like, that's fucked up that Kastanova charges so much because he know people out here hurting and ain't really making no money. So my shit is $20. This shit is really happening out here in these streets. So what I don't understand is do you pay the $20 and then people continue to pay to see the same dick? That's a good question. Taylor. I know you've seen it. Taylor, how does that work? Wait, what was the question? How does that work on OnlyFans when you want to pay for
Starting point is 00:13:20 Dick? I have been on Holy fans. You are a liar. I haven't. All right. Let's say, for example, maybe someone could explain
Starting point is 00:13:28 to us, but like, with something like nudity, once you see it, you've seen it. Right? Well, I have a friend that's on it. Say again? I have a friend
Starting point is 00:13:39 that's on fans on. How much she charging? Sure, she was a, like, a stripper, and she became a fan zone. Only fans crazy Only fans bro And
Starting point is 00:13:54 And She gets a lot I don't know how much you paid But she just learned English Tell us What Fans only It wasn't the only
Starting point is 00:14:07 It's the same thing It's not the same thing You're saying the same thing Only fans only thing Only fans only If you tell me to go to fans only I'll be on fucking line Googling fans only and can't find
Starting point is 00:14:20 this shit. I'm saying the statement is the same thing though. Fans only are all right. All right. Fair enough. What I'm saying is they're going to have to start doing cool things with their dicks if they want us to pay every month. Like you're going to have to turn your dick into like a poodle or something. You have to do some like, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:36 balloon puppetry. I'm sure you've got to do things. Or they got to start talking dirty and have, I don't know. I don't know why they do that because people go and find happens. Just perform naked. But what is Safari going to perform? Like, how is he going to do? Casanova could do, um,
Starting point is 00:14:54 niggas trying to touch all on my cop. Boom, boom! Boom, boom! Bitches want to touch all on my cock. Boom, boom! Why should you start with dudes? Why should you start with dudes? Because that's the song.
Starting point is 00:15:08 The song is, niggas want to hit me. No, niggas want to take me, niggas want to stick me for my watch. But that's what you should do. That's, yo, all jokes aside, Cassanova, that's the move. This is one of, bitch is trying to take me. No, Nicky's want to stick me for my Glock.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Bish is trying to stick me for my Glock or cock. Whatever the fuck. Just replace Glock with cock. I got it. I got it. He goes, well, I can't say the word. I'll go, bitch is trying to stick me for my watch. And what he does is he wraps his dick around his wrist.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Right? Boom, boom, boom. There you go. There you go, Mr. Two times. That automobar penis get. That automa pigt. That's, that. That automorphie get.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Go ahead. That's the move, Cass. Do that. That'd be sweet. Clu to my guy, Cass. What? What'd you say? Is he a different coach?
Starting point is 00:16:01 Is he just black or is he like something else? Panamanian. Panamanian. Taylor, your audio is trash. Your audio is uncircumcised. He's a salute to my guy, Cass, is an over, though. What else we got?
Starting point is 00:16:15 What else we got for positively? You say you had a positively brilliant show. Positively brilliant, Jerry Krause. Oh, tell me why, because I think he's a fucking idiot. Jerry Krause, positively brilliant. Talk to me. Undeniable, positively brilliant, has to be one of the greatest GMs ever. And the reason I say that, and I understand he's the villain in the documentary,
Starting point is 00:16:35 I'm okay with him being a villain in the documentary. That being said, he did something that most GMs don't get. Now, a GM's job in the NBA, obviously we're talking about the GM for the Chicago Bulls, There's the Last Dance documentary. We don't have time for people who didn't watch it. Six-point-some-million people watched them. They're fucking idiots if they weren't there. You're right.
Starting point is 00:16:54 You're right. I'm moving on. Okay? So a GM's job is not to assess the talent of all-star players. You and I could sit here and go, Anthony Davis is great. LeBron James is great. Giannis Ante Coupo is great.
Starting point is 00:17:09 It doesn't take a genius to do that shit. The GM's job is to assess the talent of role players and players to fit around your star, not the star. Star Town is the easiest thing to assess. And Jerry Krause beautifully built a team around MJ that enabled him to have more success than any player in modern history. He found players that were not only skilled,
Starting point is 00:17:37 but egoless so that they could coincide with a Michael Jordan, players that could handle him. And most importantly, a coach that had a strategy that could handle all the egos that he was potentially putting together and the most important ego, which was Michael Jordan. So you got to give some credit for Jerry. I understand he's a villain in this, and I understand his ego ultimately was the demise of the Bulls,
Starting point is 00:18:02 but you got to give credit where credit is due. This guy built a magnificent team. Listen, I think, I think. He traded for Scotty Pippen. We don't even know the guy that he traded for him. You know, he finds Tony Coo-coach. Who did he trade for Scotty? I forgot who he traded with Scottie.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Olden Price or something like that? Some weird. Olden Polonis. Olden Polonis was good. I don't. He wasn't, I mean, he wasn't a superstar, all-star, but he was solid. All I'm saying is he found a way. Apparently he had like way advanced.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Well, now everybody does it, but he had advanced, like, analytics and, like, scouting strategies. He was looking at, like, arm length. He was looking at shuttle speed. He was trying to find a way to get some sort of, like, competitive advantage in the scouting game. And I got to give him credit. The one knock on him is he wasn't part of the organization to draft Jordan.
Starting point is 00:18:55 If he was part of the organization to draft Jordan and he drafts Jordan and puts that team together around him, you got to give it up. No, I think you give Jerry Krause all the credit in the world. But I think the problem with Jerry Krause and why he doesn't get the credit is because I think that we all tend to forget how important the end is. I keep telling you all that, man. And you got to plan all the way until the end. Like, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:19:20 You can be doing everything right until you get to that very end and fuck it up. Like, yo, we don't remember that the Atlanta Falcons was kicking the Patriots ass for three quarters. You remember the end. Jerry Krauss did not land the plane well. And what's sad about that whole situation is he, what you said is true. Yes, he did find these players that didn't have an ego and could work around Jordan. And even though I found it interesting in the doc that Scotty Pippen came in thinking it was going to be his team. But he said he realized in the very first year that wasn't going to be the thing.
Starting point is 00:19:52 But it was impressive that he found all the people who didn't have egos and worked around Michael. But he ultimately let his ego be the end of a fucking dynasty. Yo, the Bulls, the Bulls absolutely probably would have won two more rings. As many more as MJ wanted to win, essentially. And I think the way that. I think the way that they were looking at it. And again, this is why, obviously there was beef between him and Phil Jackson, et cetera. But this is why coaches make horrible front office employees, if you will.
Starting point is 00:20:25 They make horrible executives. Like Doc Rivers, amazing coach. Then he goes to be the exec, and he's shitty at the exec, right? You don't want them in the front office because coaches think in the now. They're like, how do I win in this moment? Front office guys have to think about the longevity of the franchise. So they're going to have to cut some corners. They're going to have to make some moves that the coach might not like,
Starting point is 00:20:43 but it's actually putting that team in a better situation for the long run. And I think they were basically looking at, I assume, Rinesdorf and Krause are looking at the Bulls and going, look, we're already paying MJ 36 million. Scotty's going to ask for $20 million. I think at the point, at that point of time, the salary cap was less than Jordan was making, no? I think we could look that up.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Chris, I think the fact that the salary cap changed is why Jordan was able to get paid. so much fucking money. No, but he was above it. When he was making 36, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was 32. He made 30, he made 31 year and 32 the next year because he only had $2.30 million seasons. He got $2.30 million seasons, but I think at that time, the salary cap is only $26 million. Am I wrong? I don't know. That sounds right to me. I'm not, and listen, I'm not an exec, but I think you sign. I'm looking it up to, right now. You keep signing, you keep signing Jordan, the one-year deals. Or maybe you even keep signing Scottie the one-year deals. Like, yo, Jordan said the illest shit on that, on that documentary.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Jordan said, we should be allowed to defend our championship. Yeah. Until we can't defend our championship no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, no executive should say when this shit is over. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, yo, when we go out there and we start getting our ass kicked, then you decide you want to make decisions.
Starting point is 00:22:04 But until then, what the fuck? Like, yo, they literally, and I never understood that. That's why this documentary is so intriguing to me. Why? I want to know what happened with Phil. Jackson and Jerry Krause. And listen, by the way, you know who should be positively brilliant? Jerry fucking Rinesdorf or whatever his name is.
Starting point is 00:22:20 You're the owner, but yet your hands are completely clean. Nothing happens without you. He threw Jerry Krauss under that bus so goddamn fast, bro. I cannot even tell you how fast he threw Krauss under that bus, bro. Brother, nothing happens without the owner. Nothing. Exactly. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:22:38 The owner co-signed on every fucking thing. But yet, just because this guy is short and chubby, He's easier to blame. And, and keep in mind, when him and Krause disagreed about hiring Phil Jackson back, what did, what did Ryansdorf do? Jerry made himself look like the hero. He flew to Montana to go talk to Phil and ask him to do one more year. One year.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Not sign him to a long-term deal. Right. One year. One year to- Why would- My assumption, my assumption is that they knew that Jordan wasn't coming back after that year. So Phil is like, I don't want to rebuild. I'm good on all that.
Starting point is 00:23:13 No, Jordan said it. Jordan said he told him, I am not playing for another coach. Y'all get rid of Phil Jackson. I'm not going to be here. And he said on the documentary, he was like, I shouldn't be put in a position. Why I have to go through that? But I think he said that the year before. No, he said that 96.
Starting point is 00:23:32 It was right after they won the fifth championship going into the next year. Exactly, right? So there was questions whether Phil was going to come back for that six championship year. there were questions whether he was going to come back. And that's when Ryan Soirf went to Montana. But I don't know if Jordan himself was committing past that year. I think Jordan already had the idea. Like, I think this might be it.
Starting point is 00:23:53 We three Pete, we get out of here and then I retire. That's what I'm assuming. Maybe we learn more. Yeah, I don't, maybe. It seemed to me like Phil wasn't going to be there. And so Jordan knew he wasn't going to be there because Phil wasn't going to be there. You know what? And you've probably know this more than anybody because you've existed in,
Starting point is 00:24:08 you've existed in entertainment where, egos bounce back and forth against each other. Yep. Ego rarely exists in an isolated moment, right? Ego usually starts to flame and pop up when there's a bunch of different egos bouncing into each other. Absolutely. So, right, so I don't think it's like it's just Krauss.
Starting point is 00:24:30 I think you got Jordan's ego, which is deserved. You got Phil's ego, and I think Phil was getting a lot of the credit that Krause wanted himself. Krause is looking at Phil like, motherfucker, nobody even knew who you were. and I plucked you out of obscurity. Oh, the fuck what? You did your job, Jerry. Of course.
Starting point is 00:24:49 You did your job. Not everybody's eagoless, bro. That's the thing. Like, it's easy to be eagoless in certain situations and not eagoless in others. Jerry just wanted a fucking shout out. And you know what? Literally, that's all he wanted. And that's why I fucking criticized Phil Jackson because Phil couldn't do it.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Bill has so much fucking ego himself. He calls himself the Zen Master, but that motherfucker got so much goddamn ego. You need to kiss the ring for everything, make Shaq fly out to Montana and move a fucking log in the middle of a lake for no reason, right? It's like he got so much ego. He couldn't just go, hey, I wouldn't be here without Jerry.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Hey, Jerry did a great job building his team. He said that, though. Hey, Jerry found these players. Nah, happy. Yeah, he said that. He wasn't saying it. You said, you know what it was, though? Like, Phil would say it straight out.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Jordan would say it, but then give him a backhanded compliment. Like, yo, even at the, you know, even at Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, Jordan was like, because I went back and rewatched it, right? Just for better context now, because it's two-part documentary, Jordan said, Jerry Krause is here. I don't know who the fuck invited them. I didn't. And then came back to what he said in the doc about organizations not, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:00 being responsible for the fucking championships that the team wins. I was like, wow. He said, he said, we give them a little credit because they got to pay us. But we're the ones out there playing fucking ball. Yo, but on some level, don't we agree with what he said? As a Nick fan, the New York Knicks are trying to get Dolan to sell the team every single year because we're basically saying, hey, organizations win championships and the leader of this organization sucks so we won't win one while he's there.
Starting point is 00:26:27 So on some level, we agree with Krauss. It depends, though, because you can have, like, I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, so I feel like our owner gets in the way, but we always have the talent. I feel like the owner gets in the way because the owner's trying to do too much. So then you agree. So then organizations win championships or they don't. It's not the players. I think you got the players, but your organization sucks so it can't execute. Definitely players though. I mean, you can Mark Cuban is a great, great, great fucking owner of a franchise. Everybody talks about how good Dallas is and how beautiful the locker rooms are and how well they get treated. They got one
Starting point is 00:26:59 championship. Son, they got one, though. They still got one. Eh, they, no, no. No, no. You can't, yeah. You know who's the bar? You know who's the bar? You know who's the bar for NBA owners? What? Jerry fucking bus. Everybody loves Jerry Bus. The players love Jerry Bus. The fans love Jerry Bus. Like Jerry was the guy. Jerry bus is the is the bar for owners. Jerry sat way up in the fucking stands. Minded his business. Never was in front of the cameras like that. Hired somebody like Jerry West, who was a fucking super genius, right, to put together the team and stayed out of the way. That's how you should be as an owner.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Like, why would you care? As long as your team is winning and you making money and the stands are full, why do you give a fuck? Like, why did Jerry Krause care that much? That shit, Jerry Krause needed a therapist. God bless the dead. Jerry Kraus suffered from being short and fat and having to be around all those tall motherfuckers. Can you imagine how cruel God can be sometimes? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Like God gives you this ability to have this, this, this vision for talent. But you got to be around the most triggering thing that has bothered you your whole fucking life. Is that not a test from? Is that not God testing you? That's God testing you, bro. Man, you got this vision to bring all of these great players on this basketball court. But you have to be there with six foot eight, seven, feet people and you four nine and you've been getting teased about this year a whole life he failed
Starting point is 00:28:35 that test miserably if you asked me bad he failed it bad he was good he was good at first it's all about how you end man you can't let your ego end over short jokes 100% no no you're right and it is yeah it's a testament to what ego can do man ego can get you places but it can also you know take those places away from you a short man cut a dynasty short That's what the fuck happened, bro. 100%. Now, I do have a, what a fucking idiot. Talk to me.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Scotty Pippen, what a fucking idiot. Blaine. Not for signing the deal. Because he was underpaid, but it wasn't that far off from what Jordan was making around that time. Jordan made eight, Jordan had an eight-year, $25 million deal. Yeah, so he was making $4 million, I think, at the end of that deal. And Jordan's first championship, he was making $2.5 million.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Exactly, right? So they were making so much fucking money on this guy. The only reason NBA players are getting paid with their paid right now is because of Jordan. Right. Like the way that all these people are making money off Jordan is absurd, you know. That being said, Scotty Pippen, if you sign the contract, that's what you agree to get paid. Okay? If you underperform your contract, you don't give money back. Charlotte, when you first signed a contract with IHeart Radio, you know, and the show wasn't. doing great in the beginning. You weren't going to iHeart Radio. I'd like to give you back a portion of this contract.
Starting point is 00:30:05 We're not doing as well as we thought we did. Yeah. Right? You're like, this is what you agreed to pay me. So you better fucking pay me for it. And then when it was time to sign a new contract, then you hit them over the fucking head because you go look what I did. But to bitch out in your last year,
Starting point is 00:30:21 that was some set over a contract that you decided to sign. That was some sad shit, man. Yeah. I mean, listen, there's no, I tend to agree with you. there's no middle ground when it comes to the long-term deals because you could be underselling or they could be overselling. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:30:40 Like you just don't know. Like you do a long-term deal. You hope to have success. By the end of that deal, you can't go to them and say, hey, you know, y'all need to restructure. Y'all need to renegotiate this shit last year. Play it out. Fall the fuck out.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And stick them up. That's the whole point. Stick them up. You stick them up. You know what you've done there to past eight years. You know what you've, you know that y'all won six championships. They want you back. Pick them up.
Starting point is 00:31:04 And guess what? If they don't, you're going to get that money elsewhere because that's what he ended up doing anyway. Scottie went and got paid. I think Scotty next deal was like $60 million over three years with either. I think it was Houston. Maybe Portland. He was with Houston. Brody Scottie Pippen made more money than Michael Jordan.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Scottie made more money. Yeah. Scottie ultimately made more money in the NBA than Michael Jordan did. But that's this long-term deals are tricky, man. I couldn't believe it. All these people on Twitter that just accepted a $1,200 stimulus check talking about,
Starting point is 00:31:33 we need to do a go-for-me for Scottie Pippen. Fuck out of here, bro. Sit down. Let's go-form him for Scotty. I totally understand why Scotty signed a deal. You know, you're a young kid from Arkansas. They offer you $18 million guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:31:46 You never seen that kind of money in your life. It's an eight-year deal. Yeah, you would sign it. You know what I'm saying? Jerry, what's his fucking name? Ryan Osiris. What is it? What is it?
Starting point is 00:31:58 Reinsdorf. Jerry Reinsdorf was slicking that moment too. Hey, I wouldn't sign that if I were you. You wanted him, motherfucker. You wanted him, but you're not really warning him. You think he really said that shit. Do you really think he said to a player, take more money?
Starting point is 00:32:14 Ask me for more money. Well, no, he didn't say more money. He just told him to sign a short-term deal. I don't think he ever said that. I think he was like, ooh. I think Pippen would have pushed back if he didn't. I don't think Pippen would let that lie fly out there not for this documentary like that.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And but by the way, I think Jerry Rinesoff is, yo, he's the master at keeping his hands clean. Because in the future, when Scottie's mad, he could be like, I told you, I told you not to sign that deal. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's the master at keeping his fucking hands clean. But like I said, long-term deals are tricky
Starting point is 00:32:46 because, yo, you don't know where you're going to be at five years from now. You don't know where you're going to be at eight years from now. I guarantee you if you're actually a great talent, you should be appreciating with value. And by the time you know, last year your deal comes, they should, you should be underpaid severely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:06 You know what I mean? Because now it was renegotiation time. And think about it, right? Like back in a day when the salary cap was $12 million or something like that, that means the entire team got to get paid out of the $12 million. The only way you could actually make a lot of money was a long-term deal. So it's not like they were abusing him when they were. When Scottie first signed the deal, Jordan didn't revolutionize basketball around the world just
Starting point is 00:33:30 yet. By the end of the deal, Jordan has changed basketball forever. So of course you only get paid more. But if you sign that deal initially and there is no Michael Jordan, by the end of that deal, you're actually getting paid well. You're not that upset. When did he sign it? I know it was an eight-year a deal. So he had to sign it like right before their first championship or maybe right after? I thought it was it was right after maybe their first championship but was it eight years or was it six years
Starting point is 00:34:00 18 million something like that that was eight years seven years 18 million seven years 18 seven years 18 million Jordan Jordan was eight years 25 million and you know that's why Jordan everybody was mad at Jordan saying
Starting point is 00:34:12 Jordan should have stuck up for Scotty all Jordan was saying basically was like motherfucker I did the same shit I did the same shit I paid my dues I did the same thing I had an eight year 25 million deal play your shit out now stick these motherfuckers up. Yeah. God, I was so impressed by how professional Jordan was, man.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Like, what a fucking brilliant, brilliant, like emotionally brilliant guy. Did you ever see him waver even slightly in any interview? Like, you look at these guys now today, like a Dremont Green, literally cannot control his emotions for 30 seconds. 30 seconds. Hey, how do you feel about Kevin Garnett? It's like you couldn't butt. putting that up for 30 fucking seconds and Jordan out here with every
Starting point is 00:34:56 camera in the world on him for fucking 10 years and never once do you see him slip up? No, we can't say that. When he slip up? That goddamn Jordan crying face me. That motherfucker he was past the point of holding his emotions in after when
Starting point is 00:35:12 that shit happened. No, I'm talking about during the career, during the playing career. Oh, no, no, no, no, during his career. No, Jordan, his emotional IQ is so high and to your point about Draymond him. Jordan had one thing that a lot of these brothers, these young brothers lack.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Security. High self-esteem. You know what I'm saying? These brothers are insecure and they have low self-esteem. Every little thing gets to them. Because in their heart of hearts, they feel like the man because they get in the money. They might have won a couple of rings,
Starting point is 00:35:46 but they're always constantly being questioned. They're always looking at the shit that's being said about them on social. media so they can't unequivocally without a shadow of a doubt say suck my dick i'm the man you know what i'm saying and i'm gonna tell you something else that jordan does when jordan is getting his ass kicked when he's feeling that pressure he goes and does something about it you know what he does about it he takes things into his own hands he internalizes it in his mind and in his heart you'll see when they show the pistons kicking his ass fuck i got to get stronger not hey mr referee Stop letting these fucking motherfuckers beat up on me.
Starting point is 00:36:24 And if you are letting him beat up on me, watch what the fuck I do. Go fucking get strong. So now I can go kick their ass the next fucking year. The fucking coach from North Carolina, Roy, um, Roy Williams. Roy Williams was saying how he said to Michael Jordan, he said Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan told him, I'm going to be the hardest, the hardest person that works here or some shit like that. And Roy was like, I forgot what Roy said. whatever the fuck Roy said, Jordan was like,
Starting point is 00:36:54 I bet you nobody are outworked me. And Roy said from that. He said, I want to be the best player at North Carolina or something like that. And he goes, well, you got to work hard. He goes, he goes, I worked as hard as anybody else in high school. He goes, oh, I thought you said you wanted to be the best player. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Yeah. And he was like, nobody here outwork me. And Roy said nobody outworked him. Like, yo, that's what it's about at the end of the day. That's the most beautiful thing about Michael Jordan, man. doubling the fuck down on yourself. Fuck everything else. The only thing you can control is you.
Starting point is 00:37:26 You want to get stronger? Go get stronger. You want to get a better jump shot. Go work on that motherfucker. Like you want to be the best and make a decision in your mind that you want to be the best and go fucking put some action
Starting point is 00:37:37 towards being the goddamn best. I don't want to hear all these fucking excuses, man. I don't like that shit. That's why I like Joe. I didn't make no excuses, yo. None. Just go out there and do it, man. You know, it was really cool to see
Starting point is 00:37:49 I had never heard his parents speak. Really? I'd never heard his parents speak. I obviously heard of his parents, but his parents were so fucking sharp, right? Like when you interviewed the mom, a beautiful woman, by the way, to this day, right? Interview the dad.
Starting point is 00:38:08 They're both really fucking sharp, right? They're so composed. And it's like you grow up in that environment. You cannot help but take on those qualities and those abilities. Absolutely. Right. Like his mom is so comfortable in front of the camera. Granted, she's probably been in front of the camera for the last, you know, 40 or 30 years or something like that. But like even telling stories, talking this, that the other, no nerves. Cool, calm, collected. I mean, I think you must absorb some of that. And it speaks to how Jordan so easily handled the pressure of the media and the pressure of all these things, you know? I'm going to tell you something else, too. I think another reason that Jordan was able to handle the pressure is. because he really didn't have no pressure coming in.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Because he didn't come in to God. He wasn't, yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't come in the number one draft pick that was going to change the league and revolutionized the league. Like, a lot of that shit that he was doing early on
Starting point is 00:39:06 was just really trying to show that he belonged. You know, he said that in this Hall of Fame speech. He was like, yo, I had to think, he thanked Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, George Iceman, Gervin, I believe it was. Because he said he just always wanted to, to show that he belonged amongst them. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:39:21 So he was like, even when the rumors about them trying to freeze him out, he was like, I didn't know if they were true or not. He was like, I didn't care. I just wanted to show that I belonged. I just thought that, man, I'm going to tell you something, yo. I can't think of too many Michael Jordans in any profession. There's a reason why greatness is synonymous with Michael Jordan. There's a reason why if you are great at what you do,
Starting point is 00:39:47 you are the Michael Jordan of that thing. I don't even think greatness is a strong enough word for Michael. Why do you think Larry Bird said it's God disguised as Michael Jordan? I'm telling you. Because it wasn't even about the fact that Michael scored a bunch of points. Mad motherfuckers scored points. It was the fact that when he said, I'm going to win, he won. Like, we're going to win this game.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Like, we talk about that shit like, the will to win, willing your team to win. That shit takes more than just. Hope. I don't know. Like, it's almost like he just got a switch in him like. Life is so unpredictable. Look at this shit we're in right now. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:29 Nobody could have predicted this thing in the world, right? Every time you make a plan, God laughs at you. They're like, oh, you think you could make plans, right? So I think we're drawn to these figures. We're drawn to these people that make declarations and then execute on the declarations. Because it makes them seem. Floyd, Mayweather, say whatever you want. Say again?
Starting point is 00:40:50 It makes them seem like they're larger than life. It makes them seem godlike when they do that. It's like they're telling the future. I remember my father, he used to work in the news business, and he interviewed Muhammad Ali before he was going to fight George Foreman. Right? And he's in Ali's locker room. He goes, how are you going to beat this guy?
Starting point is 00:41:10 This guy is a monster. I mean, he's not only knocking people out, he's destroying them. He's knocking them off the, like up off the canvas, and then they'll fall down. I think that's what he did to Frazier, went for him and knocked out Frasier. And then Ali goes to my dad, he goes, you have to understand, like, I'm a cerebral fighter. This is a science to me. I'm going to tell you exactly what I'm going to do.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I'm going to beat him up here. I'm going to pick him apart and then I'm going to knock him out. I'm pretty sure he called that he was going to knock him out. Yeah, he was right. He called around. He definitely called around. He might even call him. My dad is the biggest Ali fan, you know, but he's still like there's just no way.
Starting point is 00:41:46 He's a big boxing fan. And then you go see someone call. out the most absurd thing in the world and then execute on it. They become Godlike, Joe Namath. I don't even know if he was a good quarterback or not, but he said that the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl and they fucking did it, right, against all odds. And now he is involved in football lore forever. If you can call it out and execute.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Yeah, people can tell that story. I mean, even when they showed in the documentary on Michael, playing fucking golf with Danny Ains and he told DJ, you'll tell you, boy, I got something for him tonight. That's after dropping 49, gave him 60 fucking three. Like, I don't know, man. Michael Jordan just different.
Starting point is 00:42:29 And no disrespect to LeBron. Stop, stop it. There's no comparison to Michael Jordan. Michael is in rare air, no pun intended. Like, there is nothing that has ever been on the basketball court like Michael Jordan. I think you're doing a discredit to not only Michael Jordan's legacy when you try to compare him to LeBron.
Starting point is 00:42:47 You're doing a disservice to LeBron. Because by the way, I salute LeBron because LeBron had a lot of the things Jordan didn't have, meaning he came into the league with so much pressure. The league wanted another fucking chosen one. You know, he was the king. And he, for all intents and purposes, he exceeded expectations. Exceeded. Exceeded.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Unbelievable. I think so. I would definitely say so. Three championships, been to the finals nine times, you know, never gotten any fucking trouble. Like he fucking did it. his goddamn thing. You can't, you can't take nothing away from LeBron James, but Michael Jordan, he is not. And guess what? He's not supposed to be. Neither is Kobe. Kobe, not supposed to be. Like, they're all their own individual collective, you know, group of stars. That goddamn
Starting point is 00:43:36 Michael Jordan, bro. You know what I've realized after watching this is that Kobe was closer to Jordan than LeBron. Yes. And I ranked Braun over Kobe. I, think, but after seeing it, the way that they view life and the way they view the game, like something that was really poignant that happened in a documentary, right? This, I think Jordan at some point just goes, what I care about is winning, and at winning at all costs, and that is a thing that drives me, and that's what I want to do. And I remember there are times that, like, you know, LeBron has said stuff like, well, I don't want to play if there's no fans there because I play for the fans and or hey if I don't win another
Starting point is 00:44:21 championship everything's good you know life is good I feel so accomplished with everything I've did in the NBA which is great don't get me wrong that is great that you feel accomplished and you should feel accomplished but that is not the mentality of Jordan the mentality of Jordan is I don't care if nobody's in the stands whoever I am playing it doesn't matter what part of the world I don't care if it's a fucking pickup basketball game in France. I don't care if it's a shooting drill in front of a bunch of campers. And if I miss one shot, none of them get sneakers. Or if I miss one shot, they all get sneakers. He will win at all costs. And that is what separates him. He said he had a love of the game clause. I don't know if that was true. What's that?
Starting point is 00:45:03 At his Hall of Fame speech, he said he had a love of the game clause in his contract, meaning that he can play basketball anytime, any fucking way he wanted to. Pick up games, all of that shit. If you go back and watch his Hall of Fame speech, he was talking about Doug Collins and how, you know, when he got hurt that time, Doug, like, and he was, you know, training all, you know, at North Carolina and nobody knew. Doug Collins said some shit about, I don't know if it was Doug Collins.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Somebody was limiting his minutes or whatever. And he said to them, like, look, I got a love of the game clause. I think it was Doug Collins he was talking to. He was like, I got a love of the game clause in my contract. I can play ball anytime I want to, wherever I want to. Because they know, because he knew they were going to try to limit him to just playing within the facility and practicing there, et cetera. I think so. Games.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Yeah. Yo, by the way, that shit you mentioned, the camp shit with Chris Paul? Yeah. That's incredible, too. That's incredible. It's amazing. Explain the situation so people know what we're referencing. They were doing like a game of horse, basically.
Starting point is 00:46:02 And it was like, if you miss a shot, if you miss one shot. It wasn't horse. It was he had to shoot from every part of the floor. every part of the floor. And he was like, if you miss one shot, then you got to give this whole camp Jordan's. This dude Jordan is, yo, there was one scene
Starting point is 00:46:19 when he shot a three-pointer. Chris Paul had his hands in front of his eyes. He had a free-truth. Literally had his hand in front of Jordan's eyes. Hand like that. Jordan still shot with his hand in the air and it went in. Like, yo, this guy is unreal.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Yeah, yeah. But the fact that he cares more about winning than giving all those kids sneakers is so fucking funny. And he probably still gave those kids sneakers. He just gave him the sneakers based on how I wanted to give him to you. I'm not giving him to you because I lost to this little motherfucker,
Starting point is 00:46:45 Chris Paul. You know what I'm saying? Listen, that documentary is brilliant. I don't know if it's because we ain't got shit to watch right now. Maybe. But that shit, man. You know, yo, I don't think I would appreciate it. It was supposed to come on in June, though,
Starting point is 00:47:00 after the season was over. Because I don't think I would appreciate it if it was being aired while basketball was still going on right now. You think, I feel like you of. I feel like, I feel like if I know you, I know you pretty well, and I think that you're kind of drawn to these figures, like these figures that defy the odds and, like, they put greatness above everything. I feel like, regardless of the playoffs, you would be curious about this. Yeah, I mean, listen, I like it for the history lesson more than anything, because I mean,
Starting point is 00:47:30 we all lived it, right? So when you live it, it is different, but watching it back, it's like, oh, shit. Like, you almost feel like a sense of gratitude. Like, man, I really got to see that in real time, but I like it for the kids more than anything. Because the kids need to see this shit. Yes. Like we're not just sitting around arguing Jordan is better than LeBron or telling y'all shut the fuck up. You don't know what the hell you're talking about just because we older. We're saying that shit because you don't know what the fuck we witnessed. So that's the thing that is great about this is that, um, is that all these people,
Starting point is 00:48:04 even like sports analysts, we got to realize that there are sports analysts that are like 26 years old, 27 years old. 28 years old, right? And these sports analysts that are 26, 27 years old are making statements about whether or not Jordan's the goat without ever really witnessing him play basketball. Exactly. And we listen to them and argue with them
Starting point is 00:48:24 when we should be saying, sit the fuck down, Jr. Yes. You don't know nothing about this. You know what's so crazy? I thought about this, right? Think about guys that are old, like, Skip Bayless. I'm talking about these old ass dudes that's like 70 years old.
Starting point is 00:48:35 So they've been around. They were around with Magic and Bird, Michael, Colby, LeBron. The reason you should really listen to them is because it's not that they're stuck in their ways because there was a point in time where the NBA was all about Magic and Larry. Of course.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Everybody loved Magic and Larry. They thought Magic and Larry was the bar until Michael came around. And this guy was just so good you had to give it up to him. And he had such a will to win that you just had to give it up to him. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:49:01 You go to the fucking NBA finals and you win six of them and don't lose. And the only reason you didn't win is because you fucking retire it? Like, that's unreal. It's a reason people champion Michael Jordan the way that they do, right? So if they say, man, Michael is way better than LeBron. Michael's better than Kobe.
Starting point is 00:49:20 It's because they've seen it all. They've seen the whole spectrum. You haven't seen the whole spectrum. You saw Braun and Kobe. Recency bias, man. That's what it is. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:31 We all suffer from recency bias. I've suffered for, I've said, I'm sure, on this podcast, now LeBron's the best, man. He's the best I've ever seen. But I forgot what Jordan would do, bro. I forgot how terrifying the last eight minutes of the fourth quarter were when Jordan would come back in after his break. And then he just started attacking relentlessly.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Possession after possession after possession. And you just watch your team's league slowly dwindle away. I forgot how fucking horrifying now. Jordan was the real life Rocky, bro. Jordan was the real life Hulk Hogan. You know how at the end of Rocky movies, you just knew during that second fight, which Jordan never got to.
Starting point is 00:50:10 There was no second fights with Michael. He's knocking you out the first fucking fight. Right? He wasn't even going to distance with Michael. Let's be clear about that. But you just knew Rocky wasn't going to lose. Same thing with Hulk Hogan. Hawkewold was getting his ass kicked.
Starting point is 00:50:20 And all of a sudden, he just... Michael did that in real life. Yep. Real life. Like, this shit ain't... You're not winning this fucking game, yo. And I'm going to tell you something else. You bought this point up a few weeks ago
Starting point is 00:50:33 about all the legacies that he erased. This is another good. thing that's going to come from this documentary. People can see, people love to say Jordan didn't have no competition. No, you think Jordan didn't have no competition because he fucking wiped them all out. Yep. He played against the best.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Yep. The best. Charles Barkley and the fucking Phoenix Suns, Carl Malone, John Stockton, and the Utah Jazz, Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, and those guys in fucking Portland. Are we serious right now? Fucking Magic Johnson and the Los Angeles Lakers? Are you fucking serious? Sean Kemp and Gary
Starting point is 00:51:05 Peyton in the Seattle Super Hine. These are fucking Hall of Famers, man. Stockton Malone, dude. Come on, man. What the fuck are we talking about here? And another thing you got to understand, right, is it like, so Magic Johnson and Larry Bird blow the sport up nationally, right? So Jordan is actually competing with all the kids who came up watching Magic and Bird. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:30 All those, you know, so it's like when you, Jordan was competing against a larger talent pool because the sports. Sport became so popular nationally because of Magic and Bird. So now you have all these kids that maybe would have tried to play baseball or maybe would have tried to play football or maybe would have tried to do this other shit. They're watching these two guys and going, oh, my God, I got to play basketball. Now I'm putting all my talents in basketball. Jordan got to beat those motherfuckers. Yeah, you know, that shit made me think about magic too.
Starting point is 00:51:56 All this talk of contracts. People forget to deal with that magic sign, bro. The one that's about saying he had HIV or the one to, for the Laker. No, that was an endorsement deal. I'm talking about the goddamn NBA contract. The NBA kind Magic Johnson had a 25 year $25 million deal
Starting point is 00:52:11 But He had a clause in his contract That he gets a front office job Ah, I didn't know that that was part of it Yeah, he had a clause in his contract That he gets a fucking front office job Like first of all, what NBA player To it plays 25 years?
Starting point is 00:52:28 I don't even think Vince Carter's that 25 years, is he? No So it's like one year, 25, 25 years That's a million a year, but you get a front office job. It's like, I mean, I get it was the 70s, but God damn. Yeah. Was that a lot of money back then, Chris?
Starting point is 00:52:48 Absolutely. What are you talking about? Okay. So back then to sign a 25 year, $25 million deal, that's a lot of money. But again, he's doing that shit because that's the only way you can make big money. You're not going to make all that money in one year. You have to spread it out because the salary cap was probably $10 million a year or even less back then when he signed that deal.
Starting point is 00:53:06 NBA was not a big thing back then. And to put in perspective, Jordan's legacy, the finals ratings that Jordan had, we don't even touch today. Wow. Think about that. Think about that. We don't fuck with the finals ratings Jordan had now.
Starting point is 00:53:25 And the NBA is the biggest it's ever been. Because all they had was TV back then. True. That being said, when the NBA finals are on, that's what we're watching. Right? we're not watching reruns of friends.
Starting point is 00:53:38 We're watching the fucking finals. Yeah, especially back then. And now, though? Yeah, but we're just watching it different. You know what I'm saying? So we're watching it on like different platforms and shit like that. I just, to be honest with you, I just don't know if there's anybody that captures the imagination.
Starting point is 00:53:53 I think LeBron's story is always intriguing. So LeBron will always have high ratings. You know what I mean? But I think LeBron, honestly, people like to watch LeBron lose more than when. Yeah. In a lot of ways, he's become the, anti-hero and he doesn't want to be an anti-hero, which is the saddest part. I think it's the Jordan guys.
Starting point is 00:54:15 The guys like the people that love Jordan and understand Jordan's greatness. So what I'm hoping happens after this documentary too is Jordan's legacy can never be threatened. Yeah. It's just not happening. It's just not. Like there's nothing LeBron or anybody else can do to threaten the legacy of Michael Jordan. because in order to threaten the legacy of Michael Jordan, you just simply have to be as dominant as Michael was.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Those guys have not been as dominant as Michael was. They just haven't. Not throughout the whole league for the whole course of their careers. Like, yo, Dirk Nowitzky got a ring on LeBron's watch, bro. Yeah. Dirk got a ring on your watch, Ron. And on Kobe's watch. And on Kobe's watch.
Starting point is 00:54:58 On Kobe. Well, let me see. Kobe was that, Kobe was kind of done after it. Didn't they bounce the Lakers? Didn't they bounce the Lakers out? I don't remember. Yeah, the year they lost to Miami in the finals, I think they went to L.A. to get there.
Starting point is 00:55:13 And went to L.A.? Okay. I'm just saying, it's real, bro. Dirk got a ring on your watch, bro. I don't think people understand that it was one of the rarest times in history where if Jordan wanted to win, then he won. Meaning... That has seen anything like it.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Yeah, so it's like usually, you know, usually you watch any type of sports. right? And it's very rare that an athlete can make a decision to win or lose that day. In other words, when Jordan lost, it was because he was like, look, I'm tired. I'm not going to put all the effort. I need to put in. We got a big game on Friday. I'm going to save a little for Friday. There's a reason why he's... Say again? That never happened. I'm sure it happened. I'm sure it happened. That's what the ill thing about Michael was. It's like, yo, he never took off.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Well, there was games where they lost. And I think he was like, listen, I'm not going to go give it all this if it's not right to give it all. I mean, don't get me wrong. The guy played his assholes every single game. That being said, when the games mattered. For example, the finals, it was unthinkable that Jordan would lose a finals. Because what he did is he just dug down, he emptied the tank, and he decided that the bulls were going to win at no matter what the cost was.
Starting point is 00:56:27 He decided it. How many people in history get to just decide the outcome of something? I think we all can do that, man. I mean, that can actually be the deep dive. I think we all can do that. I think that, you know, I had a conversation with Deepak Chopra this week. It's up on my YouTube page.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And, you know, we were talking about wholeness, right? And can you ever truly achieve wholeness? And Deepak was saying how, I asked him what wholeness feels like. And he said, you know how athletes would say they're in, like, the zone. That's one thing they would say about Michael Jordan. He's in the zone. He's in the zone.
Starting point is 00:57:04 I think that you can really, train your mind to match up with what you want your outcomes in life to be. I think your brain is that powerful of a tool. And I think Michael just tapped into something in his cerebral that all of us can tap into. You just got to have the patience, the dedication, and the work ethic to tap into it. Like, it's a belief, bro. Like, it's a, I can't explain it. Like, when you're on that stage, I guarantee you felt that way. Like, I can destroy. some shit out here right now. Like anything you say is going to fucking land right now.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Like it's just a zone that all of us can tap into. I think Michael tapped into that. And I think everybody has the ability to tap into that. But it just takes an extreme, extreme belief in yourself. That's just very hard to do, especially in this era where you have so many distractions and so many outside influences, you know, telling you that, no, you ain't that. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, dude. I agree with you. think that the closest moments I've had to tapping into that, and this might seem weird, but were being a Burning Man and the time after being a Burning Man. And I think it's because, in regardless of it's induced by drugs or not, but for like a week, you actually get to see people being the best version of themselves. And it kind of fills you up and you realize what you were missing and what you needed and how you operate once you have that thing that you needed.
Starting point is 00:58:36 You think you're seeing spirits? I don't know if his spirits, man. I really just think it's like the better part of humanity. And then you start interacting with people. And instead of like trying to survive the interaction as most anxious people try to do when they're interacting with people, they're not looking at that person going, what does that person need out of this interaction? They're often going, what do I do to succeed in this interaction? Am I being funny enough? Am I being smart enough?
Starting point is 00:59:01 Am I being intelligent enough? Like how am I being perceived? they're all internal thoughts. Yeah, it's not about service. It's not about service. Once you're full, you start going, oh, this person's a little nervous. Well, let me make them feel more comfortable.
Starting point is 00:59:14 Or, oh, this person wants me to listen. So let me just listen. Or they want me to laugh at their jokes. Okay, let me laugh at them. See, I think that's what happens when you tap into the divine in you, right? Like, they always say you can submit your will, the God in you or your lower nature,
Starting point is 00:59:27 which is commonly called the devil. But it's just like, when you look at somebody like Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan was a spirit. And he was able to tap into this. that literally filled up the whole fucking planet. And you would feel small next to that spirit, right? You would shrink next to that spirit unless you had the same kind of spirit. Because you got to have that same kind of spirit to recognize that.
Starting point is 00:59:47 But if you don't have that same kind of spirit, it'll shrink you. That's what makes it so easy to win against you. Because you don't think you can beat me. But I know I can beat you. But you don't think you can beat me. You don't even think you're supposed to be here having this conversation on me. So when you sit there with Burning Man, I think that you're looking at people's spirits, bro.
Starting point is 01:00:05 I really do. I think that you're not even looking at the human, the human form of a person. You're looking at people's auras, their spirits, like literally the best part of folks that nobody can see. Like I think that's the hardest thing for any of us to tap into, man.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Y'all heard some wild shit this week, bro, that fucked me up. salute to Debbie Brown. You know what I'm saying? My sister, Debbie Brown, like she was having this conversation with me and she was talking about this psychic and I went to go look at what this psychic said
Starting point is 01:00:35 and this psychic talked about how when Kobe Bryant passed away his spirit and his spirit and his consciousness walked everybody into the afterlife and his spirit and his consciousness came back and observed, you know,
Starting point is 01:00:51 the wreckage and he was so distraught. And I was like, I don't know if I believe this. I don't know if I believe this shit or not, but I'm just like, what does happen to your conscience after you die? So it took me. me on this whole rabbit hole of people who actually died,
Starting point is 01:01:07 but they say the consciousness stays alive. But your consciousness is observing everything. Your consciousness realizes you died. That wouldn't freak you to fuck out? Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck. I mean, to be honest, that's what these, like,
Starting point is 01:01:26 billionaires are working on right now. They're working on trying to find a way to take your consciousness out of your body and like download it on some sort of like card so that you could insert it into another fake body or so you could exist on the computer forever. I mean, the guy who is now a woman that started Sirius XM radio is downloading his wife's consciousness into a robot right now. Really? It's a crazy story. It's the most fascinating tranny in the world, this guy. I would love to sit down. But it's, it's really remarkable. And that's what people are trying to do. That's what they think the future is. They think the future is, me and you get our complete consciousness decoded
Starting point is 01:02:13 so it can be taken out of us. Because the only problem with our bodies, or the only problem with living forever, is your body starts to decay and wilt. They're like leaves, you know, they can't be around for too long. Your bones get brittle. Your heart starts to fail. Your lungs, whatever happens. What if you could just renew all that shit? Yeah, because your will and your spirit don't go anywhere. If anything, like, you get sharper. I mean, like, you learn more as you get older and you experience more things. And, like, you get more secure.
Starting point is 01:02:41 You get more self-esteem. You get more confidence. You know what I'm saying? You start to, especially, you know, you start working on yourself, going to therapy, you know, talking to sacred purpose coaches. Whatever it is, you just start to become a better version of yourself. When people hear that, when people hear, oh, he's a better version of himself, it has nothing to do with physical. It has to do with all of this, baby. that mental and that fucking spiritual.
Starting point is 01:03:02 What do they say? A fish rots from the head down. I thought they said that about a vagina. Wait a minute. Let me think. A fish rots from the head down. What does that mean? No, but that's what they say that like, you know, they talk about organizations and shit like that, like the cowboys. Like, if you just cut off the head, if you cut off Jerry, then maybe the Cowboys organization
Starting point is 01:03:26 will be good. Same thing with the Knicks. But I also think same thing with like your body. It's like if your brain is filled with these awful thoughts and like they're constantly anxious and questioning yourself. Like I don't think you're going to be in great physical shape either. I think the toll that that takes on your mental is they're going to take it. Absolutely. Look at Chris, man. Chris who?
Starting point is 01:03:48 Chris Moreau. Chris, you got bad thoughts, Chris? I don't think so. See, Michael Jordan never thought about anything. There was no think with Michael. You asked Michael a fucking question. Michael give you a yes or no answer. Okay?
Starting point is 01:04:05 If you said Michael, you feel bad, Chris? Michael? Fuck, no, I feel great. You feel bad? You don't just caught and get this fucking work. Okay? The thing with Michael, and it kind of gets back to what you're saying, is look, I've watched the NBA religiously for 40 years.
Starting point is 01:04:21 There's no question he's the best player ever, not even close. It's ridiculous to even talk about it. Is he happier than LeBron? I doubt it. I mean, if you're the best player, everybody knows it, and at your Hall of Fame induction speech, you have to spend the majority of it settling old scores. That means you still don't feel validated,
Starting point is 01:04:44 even though you're still the greatest of all time, according to everybody. So it's an interesting question, right? Like, is Jordan the greatest winner of all time? He's certainly a better winner than LeBron. It's not even up for debate. Is he a happier individual? I can't tell you that.
Starting point is 01:05:00 My guess would be no. You make a great point there, Chris, and I think it's something that we often get confused. Like, we see greatness, and we often think, like, greatness means that you won in life. But oftentimes, greatness is accompanied with misery, and it's that misery that drives you to greatness, right? So, like, who has enjoyed their life more?
Starting point is 01:05:20 Probably LeBron, man, to be honest with you. LeBron is not the happiest NBA player of all time. No, but he's happier than Jordan. Why do we say that, though? Jordan's eyes are yellow. They red. They're not supposed to be. Man, he's 60 years old and he does
Starting point is 01:05:39 cognac and cigars every day religiously. Well, maybe that's another reason we should look into. And he never used to drink a smoke. He don't got shit else to do right now. Listen, I think Jordan, I don't have a problem with him. I don't look at that as insecurity because you're at a fucking Hall of Fame speech
Starting point is 01:05:58 telling the fucking truth. If I look at my old high school coach and I say I keep bringing this story up because I want him to always know he made a fucking mistake, I don't have a problem with that. If Jerry Krause
Starting point is 01:06:11 fucking fucked up the dynasty, I don't have a problem with him calling Jerry Kraus out. If Byron Russell, you know, the Hall of Fame speech where he said, yo, he said that Byron Russell said to him,
Starting point is 01:06:22 he said it was a time they was playing baseball. No, Utah was in town when he was. was playing baseball. The Carl Malone, John Stockton, and Byron Russell came to see him with some shit like that. And Byron was like, yo, you better be lucky you retire. Because if you was on this motherfucking court with me right now, I would guard you and this and that, yada, yada, yada, I would shut you down, blah, blah. So Michael said, when it came time for the NBA finals,
Starting point is 01:06:45 that he went up to Byron, he said, you remember about a year ago when you motherfucking told me that if I was back on this court, you could guard me and you could shut me down. You're about to get your chance now, motherfucker. What? That's his, that's his muse. That's his energy. That's his motivation. That don't mean he's insecure because he's calling that shit out and reminding motherfuckers of, yo, you're actually giving them props.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Byron, you are my influence, you stupid motherfucker. That's why you should have kept your fucking mouth shut when you're on the court with greatness. You don't got to give me any reason to be good. You know I'm showing up. That's the, you don't rattle the fucking cage? They rattled the cage. So now they got to hear that cage rattle for the rest of their life. I don't look at that as insecurity.
Starting point is 01:07:25 I got plenty of motivation like that. That's the motivation. That's the motivation that he needs and he goes out there and he actually searches for that motivation. That being said, if you felt complete, if he felt complete, if he felt he didn't need to prove anything to the world, then he wouldn't do that.
Starting point is 01:07:43 No, I think sometimes you just got to, sometimes you got to toot your own horn. Sometimes you got to remind, he's not a rapper. He can't do it in songs. Like, we've never said Jay-Z's insecure. You know what I'm saying? Did those guys tell
Starting point is 01:07:59 they tell you I'm the greatest, the best rapper alive, I do this better than you. Jordan only has interviews. He only has documentaries. He only has books to tell you. Shit, we didn't feel that way about Muhammad Ali.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Muhammad Ali tell you he the motherfucking greatest all the time. You didn't say he was insecure. Yeah, I think that people would say it. I think if you ask your therapist, I think a therapist would probably say, yeah, all these people have insecurities and they have extreme confidence or narcissism. even. Like 100%. If you need to scream at the top of your lungs that you're the greatest,
Starting point is 01:08:29 right? You must not feel like people think you're the greatest. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I think you have to talk yourself into things, man. Like we, we, we, we, we, we have to believe it. No, that's not true. Is this reinforcement? Listen, in a world, in a world where you're always getting vocal, negative reinforcement, what are you hearing in your head? The only counter to the negative reinforcement is the, Tell yourself, no, I am great. No, I am the best. No, I know I'm putting in more work than anybody.
Starting point is 01:09:02 This motherfucker can't guard me. No, I know I can get in this ring and knock this motherfucker out. No, I know I can get on stage and tell these best jokes. Like, if people are always telling you who sucks, who's telling you that you're good? Yo, when you're a child, people pat you on the back and give you encouragement to go be the best. But as you become an adult, it's like, that goes away. And all you got is the negative shit. Who is going to tell you that you're great?
Starting point is 01:09:23 You got to tell yourself. I think you're describing the most relatable feeling about this. And I think that's why we resonate or these people resonate with us, right? And this type of behavior resonates. I love a chip on my shoulder. I love it when motherfuckin' tells me I can't do some shit. I'm grateful. When I hear that shit, I am grateful.
Starting point is 01:09:44 I love it if I hear somebody pop off or say some slick shit on Twitter or something like that, especially if it's one of my colleagues, one of my contemporaries. They don't even know. But I'm digging their grateful. They don't know it. I got the shovel. You know what I mean? There's a hole.
Starting point is 01:09:58 My dick's getting hard. I'm ready to put you in it. My dick's getting hard. You don't know what I'm going to put my dick in that hole. Shit, I'll put Tyrese and Casanova's dick in the fucking hole. I love that shit, man. That shit gets me off. And guess what?
Starting point is 01:10:13 I'm not going to go back and forth with you on Twitter. I'm a show and prove through actions and deeds. You're going to constantly keep seeing this fucking work. And there's nothing you can do about it. And when we're all says. and done 15, 20 years from now. When you look back, you're like, man, that motherfucker did everything I thought he wasn't going do.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yes. Yes. And we all feel the way. That being said, if we were like some Zen Buddhist monks, me and you, and somebody said some dumb shit to us, we would probably be so, like, confident and fulfilled in what we need or not needing anything that we probably wouldn't even pay in no mind. But here's the reality. At the end of the day, we are human.
Starting point is 01:10:54 and things do affect us. And how we deal with those things that affect us differs from person to person. And we tend to resonate to the motherfuckers that go, all right, you affected me. And now I'm taking you down because that's the cost of affecting me. Listen, that's why I love this.
Starting point is 01:11:10 I love this conversation, man, because that's exactly what it is. You got to be able to channel that negative that's coming towards you. You got to be able to channel that hate from those doubters, that any energy from those people who are telling you that you can't succeed. how do you channel that?
Starting point is 01:11:25 Some people internalize it and that shit weighs them to fuck down and they don't never fly. They never get to fly, they never get to sore because they're weighed down by all that shit. Some people take that shit and just turn that shit
Starting point is 01:11:36 into positive fuel in order for them to go out there and be great. Because by the way, think about it like this. All of those people that's talking shit about you that's because they don't feel
Starting point is 01:11:46 like they can stop you any other fucking way. 100%. That's all they can do. They can't do shit else to you. They can't be. beat you on the court. They can't beat you in the ring. They can't beat you on stage. There's nothing
Starting point is 01:11:58 else they can do except for talk. That's it. That's it. Fuck that. Man, listen, man, Michael Jordan is the goat. We all needed a good dose of Michael Jordan during this fucking coronavirus. We all needed this shit. And I think we needed goat.
Starting point is 01:12:14 I think we needed to put some respect on the word goat because we were throwing goats around a lot. Yes. Yes. throwing goats around like fucking Jamaicans. We were. We throw them shit around too fucking much, man. We'd throw goats around too goddamn much, bro. We were throwing goats and it's like each industry can have that goat
Starting point is 01:12:37 or you can have the goat of the time in which things are operating in. But we were throwing goats around like it was just like, oh, he's good. We were throwing goats around like goods. I think it's goats and I think it's gods. And Jordan is on God level. Jordan is on God level. And that right there, that is very, very, very. very rare air.
Starting point is 01:12:57 You can talk about, you can argue about who's the greatest of all time. You can put LeBron in that conversation and, you know, Kobe, like those guys are considered the greatest of all time, Hall of Famers, legendary, but we know who the gods are, bro. Ain't too many gods out here. That's just the truth to the matter. Ain't too many gods of their industry. Gods are the game.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Jordan is a god, period. There's nothing like him. There's none before him. and I don't know if there's nothing to come because that shit don't have nothing to do with talent it's been plenty of people who physically have better builds than Michael Jordan probably shoot better than Michael Jordan
Starting point is 01:13:36 but it's just something up here that that will to win that cerebralness that spirit that they just don't have they're not able to tap into that realm Jordan was able to tap into man you know what it is it's like there's very few people that work hard at shit
Starting point is 01:13:55 that comes easy You know, like, I think that's what separated Jordan. It's like most guys that have a great dribble, they don't develop a jump shot because they have such a good dribble. They could get to the basket whenever they want. And that's just how they'll develop their game. And most guys that shoot the ball really well, don't really learn how to dribble because they're like,
Starting point is 01:14:14 I'll just pull up and shoot in your face. Why don't I need a dribble a fucking ball around? And Michael Jordan is one of these guys that he was great at both. And he still took the time to learn the game and execute the game. and execute the game and perfect the fucking game. You know, it's like, I don't know, it's the reason why you know how kids don't value money because they don't work for it.
Starting point is 01:14:37 And like people who make money easy usually spend it frivolously. Like there's a lot of strippers out here that are broke right now because they made their money easy so they just spend it easy because there's no value. But when you grind for fucking 10, 12 years
Starting point is 01:14:52 to be where you are, every dollar you make is not. not the work you put in right then. It's the 10, 12 years that got you there that are like, that will fulfill that money. You know what I'm saying? I get it.
Starting point is 01:15:07 I don't spend my money frivolously because I know how long and like hard I had to work to get it. It's not just doing a podcast. It's the 10 years before a podcast. Yeah. And not only that you enjoy the process though. Like it's not, you got plenty of people I hear that do shit just for money. Like I don't do this podcast for money.
Starting point is 01:15:25 I do this podcast because I genuinely enjoy coming here and kicking the shit with my guy every week. You know what I mean? I genuinely love what the fuck it is that I do. It just so happens that money happens to come with it. And that's usually what happens when you forget about the money and just enjoy the fucking process. Why is that so hard for most people? The people are not really doing what they love to do. That's why.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Yeah, they just do. You're doing what you think is profitable. You're doing what you think can make you some money. You're doing what you think can make you famous. You're not doing what you love to do. Because if you actually are doing what you love to do, it never feels like fucking work. And you just enjoy doing it so much that you become great at it.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Next thing you know, people want to fucking pay you for it. Yeah, yeah. It is weird. It's like hustling backwards or something. It's hard to, uh, sometimes like the tricks of life are like going backwards. They're like doing the opposite thing. Remember Ready Player One? Remember that movie Ready Player One?
Starting point is 01:16:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Remember how, like, the way that he got the first coin or whatever was instead of driving forward with everybody, he, like, drove back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like there's some things with life, like, like, you're feeling shitty. And instead of focusing on, like, what you need to do for yourself to feel good, if you just help other people, all of a sudden, you just start to feel better. Right?
Starting point is 01:16:45 And it's like, the same thing with work is, like, instead of, instead of, same thing with money, by literally not chasing money, you end up making money. It makes no sense, right? It's stupid. It's dumb. It's stupid. I don't even, I really just think it's about finding something it is that you love to do. Because you got to think, man, and, you know, this goes kind of to what everybody's experiencing right now, right? You know, when you're down, you're depressed, you know, when you're not doing what it is that you really want to do.
Starting point is 01:17:18 It's hard to be enthused by anything. Once you're not enthused by anything, your will to win is gone. that you don't ever try to get yourself out of that situation. Like, yo, people talk about, you know, letting their dreams die. You know, you let your dreams die because you started working this job to pay bills because you needed money. And in the process of paying those bills, you forgot the motherfucking continue to keep striving towards your dream.
Starting point is 01:17:42 Yeah. And so you let that energy die. You let that will to do something greater than what it is you're doing, die. And now you don't love what you do. And so now that shit reflects. and everything you do. Because now you just walk around angry, depressed, mad at the world,
Starting point is 01:17:58 mad that you got to be in this fucking job for eight hours a day. And you keep having these daydreams, right? You keep having these daydreams. These things keep flashing in your mind about, you know, what you should be doing or what it is you really want to do. You understand when they say
Starting point is 01:18:12 that's your dreams passing you by, that's literally what that is. Right. You are at a job right now, right? Are you doing something that you really don't love? And that shit is bothering you every fucking day and you keep having these daydreams about something that is you want to do,
Starting point is 01:18:28 that's your dreams fucking passing you by, bro. That's all that is. That's literally what that is. And you're just going to keep letting them pass and be mad at your motherfucking job when you need to do what Michael Jordan would do. And motherfucking start working towards your actual goal, working towards your actual fucking dream. And by the way, you can do both. I've been telling y'all this shit since black privilege. It's 168 hours in a week.
Starting point is 01:18:52 work your fucking job that you hate to pay the bills, right? 30, 40 hours a week, whatever the fuck it is. And spend another 30, 40 chasing your fucking dreams. That's only 80 hours. Bro, you know what the fuck? I think one reason why quarantine is so depressing for people is because they're finally realizing that they're not chasing things because they're lazy.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Like, you have every opportunity right now while you're stuck in the house to chase all those dreams that you said that you wanted to chase, but you didn't have enough time. but you haven't done jack ship but watch Ozark and Friends reruns and Tiger King and tweeted the same bullshit you always tweet and meme the same bullshit you always meme.
Starting point is 01:19:34 When a motherfucker tells me that Dave watched all in Netflix, in my mind, I'm like, yo, you live in you must be doing great in life. You must have accomplished everything you ever wanted to fucking accomplish, bro. If you got time to watch all in Netflix. Because that's my last goal. My last goal in life is watching all in Netflix. I got a lot of other shit I need to accomplish before I get to all of Netflix.
Starting point is 01:19:55 All in Netflix? You know how much all in Netflix is? You watched all in Netflix in three weeks? I'm watching all of Brazzers before I'm watching all of Netflix. What the fuck, bro? Listen, man, let's pay some bills. That was the deep dive.
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Starting point is 01:23:31 You got any church announcements? Man, you know the church is closed, bro. Church is motherfucking closed. You know, I do want to shout out. I want to salute my man, Lil Dickie. Yes. A little Dickie has the best show on TV right now I've heard the show's really good
Starting point is 01:23:48 My guy Andrew Santino's on it too man Who's Andrew? Who does he play? Andrew plays his agent I guess and like best friend He's a redhead Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah The redhead dude Yeah yeah yeah yeah okay
Starting point is 01:24:02 He's great man Very funny comic He's got a podcast A whiskey ginger man You should check that out That shit is funny It's fuck I slept I'm not gonna lie
Starting point is 01:24:11 No I'm a TV guy but I'm not one of these guys that sit around and just watches anything but my home girl Jenny Henry Jenny writes Henry Jenny hit me up
Starting point is 01:24:20 and Jenny was like you should check Dave out and I was like I fuck it so like maybe week before last it was seven episodes available on demand I think it's 10 for the season
Starting point is 01:24:29 but it was only seven up on demand I think the new one actually comes out tonight on Wednesday oh no it's eight now so yeah number nine comes out tonight man I watched that shit
Starting point is 01:24:37 and I laughed a fucking lot it's so smart the way they attack men's insecurities, the way they attack men's fragile egos, the way they deal with men's mental health in that show. Fucking Bravo, little goddamn Dicky. I've never liked anything Little Dicky has done.
Starting point is 01:24:58 Not that I dislike Little Dicky. I think he's a good human being. I just devil was into his music like that. You know what I'm saying? Even when he did the Freaky Friday video, I thought that that video was a good visual, but I just feel like he found a way to call nigger's nigger through a nigger.
Starting point is 01:25:13 You know what I'm saying? Right. But that goddamn TV show, it's just amazing. Because even when you think back about Little Dicky and you watch his old videos and stuff, it's like, you should have been doing TV. I've always looked at Little Dicky like a sketch comic, and he just chose to do his sketches as rap.
Starting point is 01:25:34 Because he's gifted in rhyming words, and he's gifted in analogies, and he's gifted in that. Like, the guy can spit. He can rap. Yeah, regardless of you like what he talks about or not, the guy can do the skill. And I think that he separated himself from most sketch comics by actually wrapping out the sketches. And, but he was always really creative with it. So my assumption, when I was just kind of watching this stuff, I was like,
Starting point is 01:25:57 I think this guy's making a move for Hollywood. Maybe he'll be an actor or something like that. But in my opinion, it's not going to work unless he's involved in the creative because his greatest asset is not the way he looks, right? his greatest asset is his brain. The show's got to be the thing that he makes. You know what I'm saying? And he fucking,
Starting point is 01:26:15 I just like the fact that he's incorporated his, he's really, it's really his life. Like, I remember little Dickie telling me a story about his penis one time. Yeah. And trying to explain to me what he explained on the show. Like he's got some type of rare disease deformity to where he's got like two dick holes
Starting point is 01:26:33 and all types of other shit. So it pees out the side of his dick. Like some wild shit. And I remember him telling me, me this and me saying to him, what the fuck are you talking to me about? But he incorporated that into a whole episode. So wait, what does he have? What does his dick look like?
Starting point is 01:26:48 I can't remember the name of that shit. If you look it up, I'm sure you can find the name. It's like some shit he has. It's like some rare deformity. He's got, he's actually got a whole episode about it because he never wants his girl to see his penis. Right. And that episode is so funny, man, because it's just like he's got this picture of Drake in his
Starting point is 01:27:04 room. But every time he goes to fuck his girl is just like Drake looking at him. Like, yo, it's the wild. His show is fucking good, man. Dave on FX is fucking phenomenal. And you can watch it on Hulu if you don't have cable. Yes, that's where I watched it. And you know what else got started watching on Hulu?
Starting point is 01:27:20 What's that? Fucking, what we do in the shadows? What's that? Man, that shit is a movie about these vampires who are getting filmed for a documentary. But it's a fucking comedy. These vampires in Staten Island, fucking hysterical, man.
Starting point is 01:27:39 Really good? Man, man. What the fuck, man? Like, fucking hysterical. See, I like that kind of humor. I like the humor they do on Dave. I like the humor they do on what we do in the shadows. I like that kind of risky, wild, just nut-ass shit.
Starting point is 01:27:57 I like that shit. That shit that they would call white boy humor. I like that type of shit. That shit is fucking funny, man. So those are my two recommendations for you. What we do on the Shadows? and fucking Dave on FX. You can watch them both on Hulu if you got Hulu because FX is on Hulu.
Starting point is 01:28:15 We got to check it out, man. Let's do some Asking Idiots. Let's do it. Where they at, Taylor, you sent them to me? Well, you know what? While we're getting those Asking idiots, why don't we pay a little Bilski right here, guys? Oh, no, I just did two. We have one more.
Starting point is 01:28:31 You want to do it right now? You want to do Asking Idiot for it? Oh, you know what we didn't do? We didn't do things you won't give a fuck about next week. Well, all right, so while we knock this bill out, then we do things you won't give a fuck about it, and then we do, uh, then we do ask it idiot. I mean, that's up to you. We can, yo, we can go either way, son. I'm down for either one.
Starting point is 01:28:52 Don't matter. Let's, let's do some things you don't care about next week first, then do the, um, all right, bet. Do you give a fuck about the match? The match, uh, actually, Jay-Roy, J-Lo and A-Rod buying the Mets. Do you give a fuck? No, not at all. Like, it means, Nothing to me.
Starting point is 01:29:09 Why? Because you don't even fuck about the Mets? I just don't care about baseball. You know, actually, you know what? One thing I do think is cool is like, um, this is like some old timey shit where like wealthy families unite and by uniting their relationship is actually like a business partnership and they're using that wealth to, I mean, I guess continue to grow their wealth. But this is, this is how marriage used to be.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Like marriage being about love is. like a very new concept. Back in the day, it was like, yo, you got this shit, you got a milk farm. All right, we got, you know, chickens over here.
Starting point is 01:29:46 Why don't we have milk and chickens? Then we got dairy and everything's fine. And that's how you grew. But it looks to me like we're witnessing, like, the Latino version of this. It's kind of cool. So,
Starting point is 01:29:56 you know what I mean? Like, I guess, I don't know. I love seeing Latinos being owners of baseball teams. Only because Latinos dominate baseball.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Right. It just makes fucking sense. Like, yes, Go on the fucking team. All right. I think it's great. The only thing I could make it better if it was the Yankees,
Starting point is 01:30:15 then they'd be in the Bronx in the midst of all the goddamn Latinos. I mean, that would be the illest shit. Like if J-Lo bought the fucking Yankees. Ooh! In the Bronx? Impranada night would be fire. FIRE.
Starting point is 01:30:30 Yeah, panada night? Oh, man. That shit would be popping. Do you give a fuck about, we should give a fuck about this. This is this shit you don't care, we won't care about next week. I think we will care about this. Matt de Blasio says, he tweeted out,
Starting point is 01:30:44 I can't tell you when we'll be able to host cultural events and parades again. But I can tell you who our first parade will be for. When the time is right, New York City will honor our health care workers and first responders with a ticker tape parade up to Canyon and Heroes. I think this is genius. I think they deserve it, but I also think it's fucking stupid. Because why does Bill de Blasio want to have a large crowd so bad? This guy.
Starting point is 01:31:05 And why are you going to have a crowd of the people who 100% got Corona? Like, why are you going to walk Corona through the city again, you fucking idiot? Son, this guy is the worst. De Blasio could be the worst mayor ever. Like, he's as, he's- He just does things in the wrong time. Like, that cinnamon is good. What he said is good. He should have just said, we're going to find a way to honor.
Starting point is 01:31:25 That's better. Don't say the goddamn parade because now you're thinking about everybody gathering and large crowd. You know who he is? He's wrecked Ralph. All he does. That's all he knows that. Remember when there was the Rikers Island shit?
Starting point is 01:31:38 Some shit bad happened in Rikers Island, and they were like, De Blasio, what are we going to do about it? And he's like, I got an idea. We're going to close Rikers Island. It's like, that's not how you fix jails by closing them all. No, you fix the way the jails are run. That's how you fix the jail. Oh, my God. Do you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:31:56 No, you're right, 100%. You don't close the jail down. You got to change the system of jail. There it is. It's like, De Blasio, how are we going to stop school shootings? Oh, those schools. Stop school? No.
Starting point is 01:32:09 Is that what we should do? Exactly. Hey, should we stay? Hey, my wife is black. Did I tell you that? Hey, I'm woke, aren't I? Remember when he made his kid pick out his afro for the election to make sure that everybody knew he was black? Remember that shit?
Starting point is 01:32:28 Hey, pick out your afro, please. Well, he's out next year. Next year is his last year, the New York City man. Hopefully Andrew Yang runs. I mean, is Andrew Yang even front? New York? Do you have to be? I think he is though. I think he was born here. He was born here. He better be born and rate. We need born and rates. I don't need some fucking pretty boy from California telling me what New Yorkers need. You know why I like Andrew Yang? No, because I think
Starting point is 01:32:51 Andrew Yang will make fucking New York look like the futuristic haven that is supposed to, man. New York should look like Dubai, bro. Fuck that. No, man. No, you got to stop. New York is pretty. New York needs to look like Dubai show. It's like New York supposed to be futuristic. Like Times Square is a Dumb, bro. Times Square ain't it no more, bro. Hey, bro. Who goes to Times Square? Everybody.
Starting point is 01:33:15 I don't. Because you're a native New Yorker. That's what we got to care about. We got to care about native New Yorkers. So think about that. You're not even impressed anymore. Think about how much we're going to have to pay taxes when this motherfucker trying to give everybody $1,000.
Starting point is 01:33:28 We already got to pay a bunch of in taxes now. You're in Jersey. You don't got to pay the taxes. I paid New York State tax and Jersey tax. I live in Jersey, work in New York. Well, that's dumb. I got to pay both. That's just dumb.
Starting point is 01:33:39 I got to pay that's the way it works. You got to pay your state tax in Jersey. You got to pay your state tax in fucking New York. That's the way it works. And guess what? We spend all this money in taxes and New York still look shitty as fuck. Listen, I'm okay with Yang. I got to see what he's trying to do for the city.
Starting point is 01:33:54 I got to see what's going on. That being said, I like something homegrown for the city. You know our problems. You know what we have to deal with. How can you possibly know our problems if you're coming from a place that isn't here? you don't know what we really got to deal with. You don't know what's really going on. I think he's born here.
Starting point is 01:34:12 I'm not sure. Don't quote me on that. But I need you to live here, bro. I need you to live here, and I need you to know exactly what's going on and know exactly what we're upset about so we can fix it. What you're trying to do is be the mayor of a big city
Starting point is 01:34:24 so that eventually you could be, you know, run for president again, but now you got some clout. I understand what you're doing. You clout chasing. Just like when Hillary was the senator of New York so that she could run for president, you're just using New York. And I'm not about to be used.
Starting point is 01:34:37 by somebody. If you're going to be the mayor of New York, you're going to have to try to do a good job. You're going to have to help our lives, man. I get it. He's from Cincinnati, New York. Say what? He's from Cincinnati. Cincinnati, New York. Nah, he's from Cincinnati. He's not from New York. Is that what it says for you on Google?
Starting point is 01:34:57 Cincinnati, New York. I might be saying this wrong. You might be saying this wrong? No, Schenectady. Schenectady. What the fuck. Oh, Taylor. Taylor.
Starting point is 01:35:08 Yo, you know, you'll hang up, sir. To America. My bad. My bad. My bad.
Starting point is 01:35:15 It's just Cincinnati. It's my family. That's what Cincinnati. It might say Cincinnati. Look how you spell it, Taylor.
Starting point is 01:35:22 How do you spell it? How do you spell it? M. C-A-C-E-N. Cincinnati starts with a C, Tyreef. I know. I know.
Starting point is 01:35:31 I know. But this, but SC-H-B. No. Taylor, I need you to grab a, I need you to grab a towel from the bathroom and stuff it in your mouth. That's right. Put a tile in your mouth, Taylor. A whole tile, right fucking now. Take a tile. Take the tile off the towel rack and stuff it in. What the fuck? What is, what is that your, what is that your, how they pronounce Christian? Chenectady.
Starting point is 01:36:00 Connectity. Whatever. That's nice. Yes. Oh, it's not the same thing. Isn't it? you would end up somewhere totally different if you put that in your way your map quest you're talking about the Midwest and upstate New York yeah how are they the same thing okay not all cities look the same listen uh did you hear about this is shit you won't care about next week did you hear about the study that was conducted by researchers in Mumbai India that found coronavirus could linger in a man's testicles
Starting point is 01:36:35 Making men prone to longer and more severe cases of the illness. You got corona in your balls, barona in your balls. Charlemagne, I think it's very insensitive of you to say that just men have testicles, okay? There are women out there that have testicles too, okay? You can identify however you'd like. You know what, Schultz? You're absolutely right. There are women out there who have testicles, and, you know, we have to include them as
Starting point is 01:37:05 as well. I think New York Post is being very insensitive by not saying coronavirus could linger in a man and women's balls, man. There are women's balls out there filled with fucking corona and nobody's talking about. Yeah. This is fucking problematic. It's very problematic. These bitches out here scratching their balls all day filled with Corona, you know, sitting on the couch with their legs spread, just like women do. Include women, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like this This is not right. That's right. You can't have people invisible in our society because just a lot of people suffer.
Starting point is 01:37:43 Very good, very good point, Andrew. Listen. Very, very, very good point. You know, and I won't forget about this next week. I won't forget about this ever. I will fight this fight for as long as it needs to be fought. That's right. They said testicles are walled off from the immune system.
Starting point is 01:38:00 I didn't know that. Say what? It said testicles are walled off from the immune system. So the virus can harbor there for longer periods than the rest of the body. That's what the study said. I didn't know testicles were walled off from the immune system. So testicles are the Mexicans of our body? Talk to me.
Starting point is 01:38:22 Holy shit. What the fuck. And that's why they're down there like, oh, I like Corona. I'll think another Corona. Just hanging out over here, please. Oh, my God. Shit you won't care about next week. The desperation of the Democrats continues.
Starting point is 01:38:45 Joe Biden says he'd pick Michelle Obama who a VP in a heartbeat. Okay, so, okay, that's like saying I would pick fucking Anthony Davis to play on my team. I'd pick LeBron James to play on my team. I'd pick fucking the Greek freak to play on my team. Of course you would pick Michelle Obama in a heartbeat. But guess what, Joe, it's not fucking happening.
Starting point is 01:39:06 that's all you got to sell your fucking constituents is pipe dreams how about come with some fucking real policies for black people how about come with a real agenda for fucking black people how about big up some of the great potential candidates black women that are out there now that you could pick as your running mate don't dangle the fantasy of Michelle Obama as a VP you know what I'm saying the fucking put put enthusiasm and inspiration to your campaign because nobody has any
Starting point is 01:39:35 Nobody has any enthusiasm or inspiration for your fucking campaign now. I hate shit like that. Like, we don't have time to fucking play, Joe. We don't have time for your imaginary fucking games. All right? Yes, I understand an interviewer asked you that question. You shouldn't even even fucking entertained it. You should have pivoted to the candidates that are out there now,
Starting point is 01:39:57 that are women of color that you think would be good enough for the job, and you should have put the light on them. Instead of always trying to use your fucking homeboys and home girls to bring shine upon yourself. Because it stands, and I will say it a million times, Joe Biden ain't shit without his homeboys, and he ain't shit without his home girls. Stop it. Enough already.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Knock it off, Joseph. So you think he was just pandering? It's like an ornament. It's like an ornament you dangling in front of people, just to get yourself hot. Like, yo, Joe Biden's campaign, it sucks. Nobody gives a fuck. Nobody's talking about Joe Biden.
Starting point is 01:40:36 You turn on CNN, MSNBC, you see Cuomo, you see Trump. You would think those two and run up a president. Cuomo was at the fucking White House this week meeting with Trump. You know what I'm saying? Cuomo is the one offering counter-programming every fucking day. Joe Biden is not showing any levels of leadership. Joe Biden is literally trying to play the quiet game into the White House. He really thinks he's in the quiet place.
Starting point is 01:40:57 He really thinks if I just be quiet and get to November, they're going to vote me in. No, that's not how this shit works. Not at a time like this. Open your fucking mouth. You got to be active. So he's just using that little, yeah, I'd love to have Michelle Obama for VP. Because you know what that does?
Starting point is 01:41:14 It perks people's interest. It makes people say, oh, Michelle is VP. That's a possibility. Then people start paying attention to that whack-ass campaign. Joe Biden is running, man. That shit is garbage. It's really garbage. You're 100% right, man.
Starting point is 01:41:29 And eventually people are going to start realizing, or at least they're going to have to start realizing that the Democrats don't care about winning this election. What they care about is not wasting any talent. So the Democrats are not going to put a potential hopeful for the future out there in front of the American people to lose, right? Because they're like, fuck, that could screw it up in the future. What they'll do is they'll pick a running mate that they don't care about their political
Starting point is 01:41:58 future at all, and they'll put them with Biden. They clearly don't care about Biden. They think Biden's going to get washed. but the last thing that they're going to do is put someone that they really believe in out there right now to get eaten up by Trump. The Democrats do not care about you, at least for the president, presidential election. I mean, the local Democrats, I think the people who are running in their cities and that kind of stuff, they really do want to make change and, you know, do these things.
Starting point is 01:42:20 But the Democrats have said, oh, this is done. We're running with Biden. We don't care if he gets fucked up. He's just a placeholder. We need another person to run for an election, but we don't care. I think the Democrats suffer from what we were talking about earlier. They suffer from what Michael Jordan's opponents
Starting point is 01:42:34 were suffering from. They just don't think they can win. Simple is that. They don't believe they can win. If they believe they could win, they would be moving a totally different way. And they're still playing politics in a time where we don't need no
Starting point is 01:42:47 motherfucking politics. We need Bullworth, nigga. Yeah. We need Bullworth. We need Bullworth to come up, come out and tell us what the fuck is really going on. If I was Joe Biden, I would lean into blackness
Starting point is 01:42:59 through policy and pop culture, meaning that I would come up with an economic black agenda. I would come up with a criminal justice reform plan, the right and wrongs of the 94 crime bill. I would announce my running mate who would be a sister, you know, probably Senator to Kamala Harris. I would announce my cabinet. I would show my shadow government.
Starting point is 01:43:16 I would show the diversity in that. And I would just lean into that. You know what I mean? Lean into that like a motherfucker because that's the only thing that's going to get you a buzz. You got to lean into the people that leaned into you. Especially right now at a time like this. you mean to tell me that you have coronavirus impacting the black community the way that it is, right?
Starting point is 01:43:37 And we all know that the reason it's impacting the black community is because of all these underlying conditions that existed way prior to coronavirus, these underlying conditions that were created by systemic racism, right? You got Dr. Fauci coming out saying that. You got Dr. Phil coming out saying that. You're the vice president for the first black president. You're the Democratic nominee, right? Black people saved your political life during the primaries, that should be your shit to stand on.
Starting point is 01:44:06 That should be your soapbox, Joe Biden. Joe Biden should be standing on that and saying, I am going to save the lives of the people who saved my political fucking life. That is a layup, bro. That's a layup. He's not leaning into that at all. So come November, God bless him.
Starting point is 01:44:27 I'm a vote. He knows he doesn't have to. He knows that most black people will vote for him. regardless. Isn't that fucked up? I mean, but that's on y'all. Y'all got to eventually remove yourselves from party if you want both parties to fight for your attention. It's as simple as that.
Starting point is 01:44:39 That I agree with. I agree that, you know, there should be a cognac party. You know what I'm saying? Like there was a tea party. No, just a just a group of brothers and sisters who have one common goal in mind, and that's the best interests of black people. And whatever candidate, whatever candidate, Republican, Democrat, Green Party
Starting point is 01:44:59 that is going to, you know, do our bidding. That's what we're going to fuck with, you know? You know who he should choose as his running mate? Who? Cuomo. See, for me, that's a power move. Now, I don't know if Cuomo will go for it, but the power move is you choose Cuomo
Starting point is 01:45:20 and all of us go, all right, if Biden can't make it through this election, then Cuomo ends up being the guy. Matter of fact, you choose Cuomo as a VP. And then halfway through the campaign, Biden goes, I don't actually feel up to this, but I think Cuomo should continue to go through. And now all the Biden support is grandfathered into Cuomo
Starting point is 01:45:46 and then Cuomo ends up running against Trump. You know, I think that's the smartest way that the debt, that's how the Dems have a chance this election. I don't think they have a chance, but that is the closest thing to a chance. I don't have a problem with that, but you know what's so wild about that, the fact that we even have to have that conversation.
Starting point is 01:46:01 You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, think about it. Like, this is the presidential election. It's fucking April. The election is in November. And we're talking about we should have somebody else because the candidate that's running is that fucking week. And how do we sneak that person into the election?
Starting point is 01:46:20 They're playing the quiet game. You ever play the quiet game with your kids? You don't have kids. They're playing the quiet game. This is the movie The Quiet Place, where if you be quiet, you can survive. That's what they're doing. trying to do with Joe Biden. Keep him quiet and he'll survive until November.
Starting point is 01:46:37 That shit ain't working, bro. That shit ain't going to work. That shit is not working. This shit is sad. Not to mention all the other things that you got to deal with, Russian interference that the Democrats never dealt with, voter suppression that the Democrats never dealt with. And now you just got good old-fashioned voter depression
Starting point is 01:46:52 where people just don't feel enthused, don't feel inspired by Joe Biden. And you're about to have a second six-pack of Corona come through in the fall? Yeah. You're about to bring another keg of Corona around wintertime, around November? Man, get the fuck out of here, man. This shit is going to be crazy. This shit is really about to be stupid
Starting point is 01:47:12 come November, yo. And by the way, if the Democrats lose, and I'm only saying if, because I'm remaining optimistic, because I am going to vote. Because I want to say when the Democrats lose. But I'm just going to say if to keep the optimism. If the Democrats lose,
Starting point is 01:47:26 that's exactly what the fuck they deserve. You know why they deserve that? Because it's time for the Democrats to relook at to relaunch their whole party and everything that they stand for. Those old Democratic establishment ways are dead. It's time for Democrats to actually start doing
Starting point is 01:47:41 for the people that always come out and support them, which is black people, which is brown people. Yo, I love what AOC is doing. AOC is out here like, I'm not endorsing no fucking body. Yes, I am.
Starting point is 01:47:55 She's saying the responsible thing. Yes, I'm going to vote in November, but I'm not endorsing. I can't go out and endorse. this guy unless- I thought she endorsed Biden. Huh? I thought she endorsed Biden.
Starting point is 01:48:07 No, she said that we should all support whoever the Democratic nominee is. She said verbatim, I can't endorse Joe Biden yet in good faith because I need to know what Joe Biden is going to do for me and I. Simple as that. I fucking respect it, man.
Starting point is 01:48:21 That's the way this shit should be. And guess what? After this election, Democrats are going to realize that's the way it's going to be. Watch. They're going to learn the hard way. I hate to say it,
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Starting point is 01:50:36 Yes. God, there's a lot of things I won't understand about women. I don't know how to just pick one thing that I won't understand about. Oh, yeah. Why is it that you ladies make such a big fucking deal about what show or movie we watch and then fall asleep within five minutes of watching that show or movie? Why does it matter to you? that much if you know you're going to
Starting point is 01:50:59 fucking fall asleep watching it anyway. Why don't you just let me choose the movie because I'm going to be the one that watches the full length of the movie. You just want to be cuddled. So why don't you just say, I don't care, I just want to be cuddled, I cuddle you, and then we watch the Big Lebowski instead of watching
Starting point is 01:51:15 The Bachelorette. That's something that I don't understand. You, Charlotte. I don't understand why women think men are fucking psychic. They're not mind readers. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:51:29 Like, you have to tell us. You can't call men dogs, right? But then understand that you got to train dogs to do what the fuck you want them to do. But then don't have that same kind of patience with us. You got to tell us not to fuck your friends. No, I don't know anything about that. What? Huh?
Starting point is 01:51:44 Okay. But you have to fucking tell us what it is you want. Once you tell me once, I get it. And by the way, you might have to tell me twice. I'll be with my woman 23 years, almost Michael Jordan numbers. But it's shit that she's been telling me for 23 years. One day I'm going to get it. Let me tell you something.
Starting point is 01:52:04 You don't ever get it. I don't think so. I don't think men are meant to get it. We're not meant to get it, man. My dad has been not doing the same shit that my mom has been asking him to do for his entire life. And I've witnessed it. Literally, I've witnessed it. My mom has been asking him do the same shit.
Starting point is 01:52:21 He just refuses to learn how to do it. And that's just part of being a man. That's part of being a man. Like, I love it. Like, a certain shit that you want me to learn. I'm like, why? Like what? Fucking washing dishes.
Starting point is 01:52:34 I'm not going to learn how to do that. Excuse me, Taylor. Why is that a problem? Taylor is what a problem? Washing dishes. Why can you get that? There's nothing wrong washing dishes. I just don't know how to do it.
Starting point is 01:52:47 So when I go to do it and I do a fucked up job, don't complain. That's it. You know I don't know how to wash no goddamn dishes. We mean a ditch. It's not that easy. It's not that easy, Taylor. Women have a special touch for shit like that that some men just don't have. And that's another thing that a lot of women don't realize is that you're smaller so you're closer to the sink.
Starting point is 01:53:05 So it's less painful for you to wash the dishes. Okay. We're not built to wash the dishes. We'll put them away. But we're not going to be washing them shits. I just think it's some shit women are better at. And it's some shit men are better at. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:53:19 That's the whole point of like when I have these conversations about the sacred masculine and the divine feminine, it's about, you know, these traits and attributes. that exist within both of us and we need them all to be the best version of ourselves. But if you lean too much towards one, that's when it becomes toxic. You can be toxic vascularity, toxic femininity. I have a question. So you're
Starting point is 01:53:42 toxic Taylor. Your wife cooks and he has to clean the dishes too? Wow. That's not a wow because that's a... Why can you have a foul with the dishes? Okay, well, because what you just did is discredit what I do. What I do is provide the food. I provide the food.
Starting point is 01:54:05 Why can't you help a clean? I provide the food. That's teamwork right there. I go get the food. I provide the food. You know how crazy that shit would be, Taylor, back in the day when we're hunting and gathering and we go out on a week long hunt and then we come back with a buffalo and then the woman looks at us like,
Starting point is 01:54:25 aren't you going to have me cook this buffalo? No, I got the fucking buffalo. You were sitting on your ass, fucking braiding each other's hair, whatever the fuck you guys do that whole time. I'd like you to cook up some goddamn buffalo. That's even. He's out there hunting buffalo. That's what's happening right now.
Starting point is 01:54:42 And how to tell you know what's even more important, Taylor? What? I don't fucking know how to cook. Okay, so you needn't know how to cook and clean the dishes. I provide the food. I don't know how to cook. I don't know how to clean dishes. I'll put the dishes in the dishwasher.
Starting point is 01:54:57 I'll do that. Come on. That's crazy, Charlotte. You're acting crazy right now, bro. You're asking crazy. Come on, bro. What's the next thing you're telling me? You don't have a gender?
Starting point is 01:55:06 And then again, why don't know? This is happening right now, right now, because why can't y'all learn how to cook, though, either? Like, why does it have to just? You sound crazy. Like, see, this is a- You know what you sound like? You know what you sound like we just got on a plane and you're like,
Starting point is 01:55:24 why don't you learn how to fly? You want me to learn how to fly right now? We don't have time for that. Taylor, do you? You understand that food is scarce in America right now. Thank you. People are getting $1,200 stimulus checks. The fucking grocery stores are bare,
Starting point is 01:55:36 and you want to waste food with me experimenting? You spoiled-ass Philadelphia and American. No, it's nice. You are spoiled as fucking. But you know how many people just like how to cook them just watching shows? Yo, I don't have time for that. You don't have time for that. Taylor.
Starting point is 01:55:48 Who is scarce. If God wanted us to provide food, milk would come out of our nipples, okay? But it does not. It comes out of your nipples. so you're supposed to be the one that cooks up the food. Your body is food. Stop acting like you don't understand
Starting point is 01:56:06 how the world was intended to be. That's not fucked up. No, no, no. Do you all think everyone knows how to talk? I think the ones that got boyfriends do. I think that whoever knows how to cook should cook. My father-in-law knows how to cook his ass off. He cooks the most between him and my mother-in-law.
Starting point is 01:56:24 My daddy knows how to fry the fuck out of some fish. He loves seafood. He cooks. They know how to cook. If you know how to do something, do it. My wife knows how to fucking put up shelves and all of that type of shit. You think that shit makes me feel like less of a man? Because I don't know how to assemble shit?
Starting point is 01:56:39 No, that should make you feel less of a man, B. I'm not going to lie. You got to assemble shit. You got to take out the trash and you got to fight. That's another thing women don't got to do. They don't got to fight. You don't know how to fight. Taylor, you act like you know how to fight.
Starting point is 01:56:52 But if shit really went down, you need a man to protect you. Okay? You know how I can protect you well? If you fight me. I don't know what disidentifies ass and you shouldn't call him what. Say what? She said, fight what? I'm like, I don't know what they identify ass and you shouldn't call him what.
Starting point is 01:57:11 Yo, I'm telling you, Taylor, a man needs to be full in order to protect you to the best of his ability. You don't want your boyfriend to be all weak out there, hungry while he's trying to keep you safe. And by the way, women, I know, I know women, people that put, now, I'm not even going to say women. People who know how to cook love to cook. They love it. They enjoy it. They what? That's not true.
Starting point is 01:57:34 What do you mean that's not true? Who hates doing something they're good at? Stop it. It's like all these girls that suck it giving head, they suck it giving head because, no, no, all the girls that don't like giving head don't like it because they suck at it. Nobody hates something they're good at.
Starting point is 01:57:47 Okay, let's do another asking idiot. This is a good one. At DJ Math to Jen wants to know how gay are me and Anne. Andrew for Michael Jordan. Oh, dude. The most gay. I'll bought him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:03 Kind of hard not to be gay for MJ, bro. I mean, you know what they say? You know what I will, I heard T.I. I heard T.I. said, it's hard to be what you pretend to be when what you are is really in the room. Hard to be. Michael is like, Michael is like super alpha male. Yeah. You know, fucking, like, you know, yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:31 I think it's cool. I think everybody got a little gay for MJ. It's hard to be what you pretend to be when what you pretend to be is in the room. That's it. There you go. The thing exposes your phoniness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the real alpha.
Starting point is 01:58:46 So all of a sudden we become beta around that. But yeah, bro, I got no problem saying that I am enamored with Michael Jordan, dude. Absolutely head over heels enamored. Yeah. And when they say gay, they don't mean gay in the sexual way of, you know. I do. We would, you know, you're not saying we would have sexual relations with Michael Jordan. It's just that we live in this era where if you show love and admiration and you say you're enamored with a man, they'll say, you're gay.
Starting point is 01:59:17 You know what I mean? Like, that's just the way we- I would do borderline gay shit with Michael Jordan. Like, if Michael Jordan wanted to, like, caress my cheek like that, like, if he came up to me, he just looked me in my eyes and he was like, he was like, he was like, Hey there, young fella. And he went like that, I would be 100% okay. I'd be 100% okay with that. No, he ain't that good.
Starting point is 01:59:36 Come on. Would you? You would let him do that? You said, what? What? Taylor's trying to do her sound effects. If Michael came up to me and did that to me, I'd be like, what the fuck? Did I have some on my face?
Starting point is 01:59:50 No, you wouldn't, bro. Stop it. Stop it, bro. You'd let him touch your face, dog. You wouldn't let Mike touch your face, though? I need to know the context of why Michael Jordan touching my face. Why not?
Starting point is 02:00:02 Maybe your face looked good. What if he did this? What if he came up to you? He was like, oh, you're growing a little beard on that right there? And then one finger just touch your bottom lip a little bit. Don't fucking touch me, Mike. I'm a sue. Nah, son.
Starting point is 02:00:17 Nah, son. I'm a sue. And then what if he just went like this? What if he just went? He went, hey, hey, hey. Hey. Oh, yeah, I'm definitely, I'm definitely threatening to sue Michael then. That's sexual harassment.
Starting point is 02:00:28 You sure about He fondled me without my consent You sure bro? Michael Jordan put his fucking Michael Jordan put his fucking finger in my mouth Michael Jordan asked me to do the Jordan tongue wave with him And we did the Jordan tongue wag together And then he put his fucking finger on my tongue
Starting point is 02:00:44 Y'all went to not by the way If any man ever does that That is the level of gay we've never seen before If you are grown-ass heterosexual man And you go up to Jordan and go Michael let's do the tongue Let's do the Jordan tongue wave. Can you imagine how Michael Jordan would look at you?
Starting point is 02:01:03 Don't get the fuck out of here. See? You're already thinking about it, bro. You're already having these thoughts. That's the effect of MJ on you. That is a dope Instagram picture. That's the picture we never seen. That?
Starting point is 02:01:13 Michael Jordan doing the Jordan tongue wave with somebody. What's the Jordan tongue wave? You know, he sticks his tongue out when he goes up for his shot, when he shoots, when he, everything. Wait, show us, Joe. You never. See that? Come on, man.
Starting point is 02:01:29 Like an orca. Does your shit even leave your mouth, bro? I almost threw a little fish on it right there. Just my fucking about to do some tricks. Listen, just call me Dutchess. This could be the last one. We get the fuck out of here. Just call me Dutchess.
Starting point is 02:01:42 What advice you give to those who cannot receive care for their mental health right now? The first thing I would tell you is I don't know why you can't receive care because if you have a psychiatrist that you go see all the time, a therapist that you see all the time, they should be doing some type of telehealth. right now. You know, you should be able to reach them via Zoom, via Skype, via FaceTime, you know, on the phone. And if you can't, if they're not doing that, you don't feel comfortable doing that. Now was a good time to just practice a lot of good self-care. You know, turn the TV off and don't binge watch so much. Go fucking read a book. You know, exercise, get in shape, figure out some nice home workouts to do.
Starting point is 02:02:25 You know, learn how to meditate. Don't learn how to meditate. Don't learn how to. to do breathing exercises. Like we're in a time right now where the one thing that a lot of us crave is stillness. And a lot of us don't get that stillness. We're on, when we're on to go all the time. So if you're all one of these people who are quarantines and you're spending more and more time at home, to me, I would think that you have less distractions because of the quarantine. So, you know, use that time to learn how to meditate, learn how to do some fucking breathing exercises. You can go online and learn those type of things. So that's the advice I would give you. And if you can't finding therapist, man.
Starting point is 02:02:57 Just find somebody to talk to. Find somebody to chop it up with. Find somebody to build with. Find somebody that you trust, you know, and you're not afraid to have conversations with. I'm getting a lot of that right now. I got so many home boys, so many brothers I know hitting me up.
Starting point is 02:03:11 And if they're ready to talk to a therapist because they just been sitting at home reflecting. I've been connecting people with different people, you know, people are really just calling each other and telling each other how they feel in this present moment. You know what I mean? Like just men straight up like, yo, I got anxiety. I'm scared. I got insecurity. So just find somebody to talk to you. That's what I would,
Starting point is 02:03:30 I would tell you just call me, Judge Dutches. Thank you. Hit the nail on the head right there, man. That sounds like a great, yeah, that sounds like great advice. I mean, maybe, maybe also like reject impulsive desires. I feel like whenever I'm feeling low, I gravitate to like the candy, emotional candy. So like I'm looking at my Instagram to see if there's, you know, comments or likes or something like that. I'm looking at Twitter. I'm looking at, these things they're like, they aren't really nourishing. So, like, reject impulsive desires. That's a great one.
Starting point is 02:04:01 Because FOMO got to be at an all-time high right now, right? But here's the thing. You ain't missing out on shit. You know what I mean? I think this is one of the first times in modern history that the fomo that you feel you can literally get online. Because that's the only place you might be missing out on shit. It might be a versus battle.
Starting point is 02:04:19 Might be D. Nice DJing. Might be somebody on Instagram live, having fun. Might be somebody beefing like last night. Young Thug and French Montana were. But other than that, it's like, you can check in with all of that shit. You ain't missing nothing. Yeah, ma'am. Now you're right.
Starting point is 02:04:36 All right, that's it. We did it. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. If you listen to this podcast and you think we're just a couple of idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's a brilliant idiot's podcast.
Starting point is 02:04:49 Thank you for listening. Peace.

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