The Brilliant Idiots - Cyclops Cheese

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

This week on Brilliant Idiots, Andrew and Charlamagne open up the greatest New York summer in recent memory, Knicks Championship, the World Cup, Jay-Z's Yankee Stadium run, Then it's a full teardown of Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey, the manufactured "woke" outrage, Elliot Page's role and why nobody clocked it until the internet lost its mind, the practical effects, and Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy. It turns into a real debate over where Nolan sits among the all-time greats, Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese, Kubrick, and whether five undisputed 10s is enough to call someone the GOAT. They also get into Zohran Mamdani threatening to arrest Netanyahu if he sets foot in New York, the APAC litmus test splitting the Democratic Party, and whether Josh Shapiro or anyone else can survive it heading into 2028. And they close out with the disrespectful way ESPN let Ryan Clark go live on air, plus where podcasting and IRL streaming are headed next. ************************************ Sponsor Brilliant Idiots: ⁠⁠https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/brilliant-idiots⁠⁠ Jess Hilarious - Til Death Do We Parent - ⁠Pre Order⁠ 2Chainz - The Voice in my head is God - ⁠⁠Pre Order⁠⁠ The Black Family Who Built America - Cheryl McKissack Daniel -⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Uncommon Favor - Dawn Staley - ⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Get Honest or Die Lying Why Small Talk Sucks- By Charlamagne Tha God - ⁠⁠Order Link⁠⁠ Check out Andrew Schulz - ⁠⁠www.theandrewschulz.com⁠⁠ Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" - ⁠⁠https://blackeffect.com⁠⁠ Checks out AlexxMedia ⁠AM Mornings⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yep, Charlamina got. Andrew Shaw. We are the brilliant of the podcast back for another week. of brilliant idiotness. Hastheky Walker? What's on my brother? Man, had a great weekend. What about you?

I had a great weekend, man. We were that, Hampton's? Zaudi's. The Hampst. And then we went to the World Cup final, man. Oh. We and I went to the World Cup final. Oh.

That was pretty awesome. Would you have a sweet? Was it a sweet? Yeah, we were invited into one of the boxes. Okay, okay. Anybody in a box didn't pay for it. I believe that. I mean, somebody paid for it, but.

Somebody paid for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The company paid for it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. But yeah. It's just an amazing, it was an amazing event. I'm not going to lie.

How much longer do you think we're going to pretend we care about soccer like that in America? Every time it has to do with our national pride. Ooh. So America, if you love your country, you love anything your country's competing at. But we weren't in it. We were for a little bit. I thought it was Spain and Argentina. No, we were in the World Cup for a little bit.

But it seemed like everybody was pretending to care even before that. Like, it was pretending to care about all these different teams. Then you get caught up in it, man. It's also the best time of year for us because there's no sports we care about happening right now. It's just baseball. This is WMBA. Oh, yeah. It's got it, man. You're right.

No, you're right about that. WMBA, man. I forgot about that one. You're right. Greatest sport in the world right now. I agree. WNB fucking eight. I agree. But, yeah, people, I'm not mad at people pretending to care about soccer.

It's just interesting how it feels like this year was soccer's breakout year in America. Well, yeah, because the World Cup is happening here. You see the impact. You see how much. Other people care about it. You get phone over or not caring. I didn't even know it didn't happen every year. What the fuck does it happen?

I had no idea. I just thought I had no idea. It's the first time. You thought the World Cup happens every year? It should. It's every four years. Oh, shit, I didn't know that. Like the Olympics.

And it's a new host nation, yeah. That I did not know. So you mean to tell me that they've played this sport all the time and only compete four years from the championship? Well, there's different championships you can get. There's like a European one. There's a Copa America one. I'm sure there's an African one.

There's an Asian one. But when they all come together, it's once out of every four years. You're telling me shit I didn't know. I had no idea. This is the biggest spectacle in sport. So hold on. The FIFA shit. It's the Super Bowl for the world.

Literally. Every four years? Once at every four years. Wow. That's different. That's different. What's the reason for that? Why they make it once out every four years?

I mean, there's never a time. when I'm out of the country that soccer is not on. They, well, it don't matter if it's the, especially when I'm like in Africa. Like, the soccer's always on. Maybe that's how you keep it special. Because think about it, like, in order to win a World Cup, you can't just run it back the next year. It's like the guys that helps you win that one World Cup four years later might be old

or washed or injured. That's not fair. How do you get a dynasty? How do you get a dominant fucking franchise? I mean, there's no real dynasties. I thought that one team was the big franchise. Who, France? No.

Maybe this is another league. Manchester? No, that's different. That's Premier League. I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, that's just like the English, like soccer and soccer's league. Gotcha. Yeah.

Oh, who the fuck knew? Well, carry on. I know the world cares about soccer. They love it. It's just funny to watch Americans this year be like, yeah, soccer. Yeah. Football. Yeah.

But we get caught up in it. I'm trying to think, why did we get so caught up in it? Even the kids, like, I mean, I've noticed this before, though. Kids would be wearing soccer jersey. season shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. And they had like the first halftime show ever. In a soccer. Yeah. I mean, it is pretty cool that the greatest World Cup that's ever happened happened here. It's the greatest one? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't have no idea. Obviously. What made it the greatest one? I don't know. I'm asking. I don't

have no idea. Just the fact, I mean, we're just the best of it. Who? America. All right. As a host nation. I don't know. That shit ain't do nothing but fucking. can cause a lot of traffic, if you ask me. We always got traffic. I hated it, especially in New York and New Jersey. Oh, yeah. Because I got to deal with both. I got to deal with the congestion in New York City.

Then last weekend, dealing with that shit. Stop living in a different state where you work. No, man, for what? You get more banged for your buck out there. See, well, now you got banged up. You'll be out there soon. I don't think so. You're in too much movies, man.

You're too much movies not to be in Jersey soon, bro. Yeah, I was afraid you don't want to move to Jersey. Don't worry. Don't worry. I love the city. They got two kids now. It's going to happen. I love the city.

You're going to want you a big ass house out there sitting on a couple of acres. I'm not going to lie. When I'm out east, it's really nice. That's what I'm saying. Lionsgate right there in fucking Newark. Once it's fucking dark at 4 p.m., like, I don't want to live in, like, the suburbs. Yes, you will. Why?

You don't like the suburbs? You know, tell them what you were doing before you walked in here. Sleeping? Taking a fucking nap. It's nothing like taking a nap in Jersey when you don't hear nothing but your woods. Yeah. Okay? No, I'm not saying there's not beautiful places there for sure, but I love the city.

And you didn't grow up in the city so you don't know the feeling that we have leaving. No. Leaving the city is like a cardinal sin. But as a family. Well, you've been in lately going to the hamps. No, that doesn't count. It's summer. I don't know.

You allow it to leave for the summer. We got rules in New York. I thought they like New York. I thought you, the summer is the time is the shit for New York. I like New York in the summer. Okay. But this common sentiment about New York. in the summers, it's unbearably hot.

I personally think it's the most electric time of year. Well, every place in America is unbearable. Every place in the world is unbearably hot. Nowadays. Like, you know, so it don't fucking matter. Oh, because you're on the global warming shit. You can feel it. You see it.

It's everywhere. You really believe in that? Yes, I was in Vegas this weekend. It made no sense to leave the fucking hotel during the day. Wait, are you telling me that the desert was hot? No, no, no. It's a different level of heat. The fuck is going on.

No, no, no. It's a different level of heat. No, no, no, no. No, no. 112 is crazy. That's regular. Nah. No, it's not.

It's been Vegas. It's been like that. So why have they been record temperatures the last couple of years? One hundred to 12 is not regular. That was regular. No, it's not. I did have Vegas sweat. It's 108, bro.

We got a evil. The world feel like it. Either way. We got AC, man. But that, in the fucking hotel. It makes no sense to leave. To vote of Vegas to be outside? Like, the second I get to Vegas, I enter a hotel, I don't think I smell fresh air until I go to the airport.

I'm with you. Like, has you ever spent outside time in Vegas? No. And now they connect them and shit like that where you never have to go and see to something like that. Man, I left the hotel. Well, I went to go see Young Jeezie and Mary Jake. See, this is retarded, man. 120 degrees.

The highest temperature ever officially recorded in Vegas, July 7, 2024. The fuck are y'all talking about? A hundred and twenty? That's insane. But I left the hotel. What the fuck you're talking about? I left the hotel one time. But y'all wants to do it about that.

What do you want to do about it? And it's over. Nothing we can't do. Let me take out this straw? Go it in the fucking ocean. Give it to the turtle. Hey, let me get it. Give it to the fucking turtles.

So a turtle don't swallow it. I went to go see Young Jeezy this Friday. And I went to go see Mary J. Blige Saturday. I told you I'm chasing natural dopamine hits all fucking summer. How was it? Oh, my God. But I put it up. I'm still on a high from Jay-Z, right?

Literally, I'm still on a dopamine high from watching those three shows. To the point that I just don't- Greatest summer in New York? Yes. Yeah, a little bit. In New York? Nick's championship. Nick's playoff run.

Yeah, I can't think of one better. Jay-Z Yankee Stadium, World Cup Final. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you were blessed enough to go to all of those events, yeah. And we're not even done yet. They got the U.S. Open the end of the summer. Imagine some crazy shit happens there. Liberty's still playing.

Liberty playing? New York Liberty's still playing. Don't fuck around. Don't fuck around. You don't even know. Don't fuck around. You don't even know where that Liberty play at. The Barclay Center.

Yeah. I've been to a game or two. Don't ins sold them. Oh, my God. I'm sorry, we can't say that. I can't say that. This guy called him queens and said, we can't say that. Yeah, he can't.

That's crazy. I can't call him. If you would have called him a slur or something, he'd have rolled with him. But he said he sold those queens. And he wants to bleep it and fucking act like it was a slur. That's crazy. It's not as a slur. It's like, and my honest feeling is this,

is like, I don't want them to assume that they would marry a king, because they might not do that. They marry another queen. Yeah, but queens can't marry. Like, if you're really going off of, like, binarical systems, you know? I thought they rub their crowns together. Oh, that's not what they do. That's the only thing of WNBA.

Yo, they won't even let her monetize that. They won't even let Sophie Cunningham monetize her point. The WNBA union was like, nah, you can't monetize anything that starts in conflict. That starts in conflict. Yeah, yeah. So being that it started because of a conflict, being that moment came from a conflict, they won't let it monetize. Which is crazy to me.

I mean, there was a lot of people selling Chris Giles punching Kobe situation. WNBA, NBA, different rules. Yeah, but the NBA didn't sell it. Yeah, the NBA didn't sell it. That's true. So the league is putting a kibosh home. And it's not like Chris Child's monetized it, I don't think. He didn't make no t-shirts in those shit like that.

No. He didn't make no t-shirts. But, man, I went to that concert. When I tell you the Gizi and Mary J. Blige's concert was amazing, Gizi especially to me. Yeah. Because 20 plus years ago, we were in the club. I'm in Columbia, South Carolina, working at Hot 1039.

We're in the club with big t-shirts and baggy shorts. You know what I mean? I remember when Gizi first came to this club called the main event, this dude named Fats had bought GZeezy for a birthday party. It was Gizi and Big Country came. And that club holds like 3,000 plus people. But that night, Gizi was new. He didn't have trap of a die out yet.

So it's only like a couple hundred people in the club, if that. Right. But I remember six months later, maybe it was six months. I don't care of a time back then. When Trapper Dye came out, that same fucking club had 3,000 people on the inside and another thousand trying to get in. Holy shit. You know what I'm saying? One song came out or just that whole album? The mixtape, the Trapper Dye mixtape. So to see that and for GISA to be one of my top seven favorite rappers ever to be in Vegas 20 plus years later with, it's a black tie experience. So everybody got on the tuxes and shit like that and the girls got on these dresses.

He's got an orchestra doing shit like Trapper die. Oh, my fucking guy. Oh, my God. Oh, I had to like catch myself because I thought it to cry a little. You were getting emotional. You were getting emotional as you talk about it now. Your eyes are watering up.

Because it was like, yo, to think where you were and then to see where you are now in life 20 years later. You know what I'm saying? And I'm listening to this music that I grew up on. And then when he did that one song, I used to have nothing. Now I got a whole lot of everything. And I come through stunting. And now the whole world going to know my name.

Oh, my God, man. I was too tequila's into it. And it don't take much for me nowadays. And they're just getting emotional. Oh, my God. You know what I'm saying? And it was good that it was hot in there because I was sweating. So I had my rags.

So I could wipe the whole face. Keep the tears from falling. Oh, it was just amazing. It was just incredible, man. And it's him by himself and Mary J. Blige in a separate show? GZ is at Planet Hollywood, I believe. And Mary does the MGM. So I went to see GZ on Friday night

and then we went to go see Mary at the MGM on Saturday. Totally different experience, but just the same type of dopamine hit. Because this is music that we grew up on. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like, I'm in the age demo now that is the highest spending demo in America. And that is who, that's who was at.

stadium, right? That 45 and up crowd. And that's who was in Vegas, that 45 and up crowd. Like, that is, I think the highest been to them was 45 to 54 or 45 to 64. I can't remember. But those are the people who are, you know, they're working class folks. They have some disposable income. They can buy concert tickets. They can, you know, travel to Vegas if they want to to watch shows. And that shit was just a beautiful time, man. That's awesome. Don't be afraid to get old, y'all. Don't be fucking afraid. Keep trying to cater to them kids if you want to, acting like the fucking kids and see what happens. Yes.

Right? No, I agree with you on that one. And then in the middle of that beautiful weekend, because our guy was out there, Ed Sharon, at Sharon, he played Allegiant Stadium this weekend. Oh, wow. Yeah, you played Allegiant Stadium Saturday. So you did that as well. Well, no, I didn't go to the Legion Stadium.

Me and Ed was talking, and Ed was like, yo, I'm written a theater to watch The Odyssey. And I'm like, oh, shit, this is the perfect weekend. I want to go see the fucking Odyssey. I'm not doing shit. We're sitting in this hotel till the show tonight. Right? Yeah. Ed is a man of a certain age.

And he had a show at 6 o'clock. So we went to go see the Odyssey at 2 on the dot. Perfect time. It was out there by, and, you know, they start the, no trailers, no nothing. So they start the movie, 2 o'clock, 2 hours, 52 minutes. We was out before 5. All right? But, and it was, it made me thinking.

It's like, damn, you, a guy of that stature has to rent a theater just to enjoy a movie. Well, you're saying otherwise people would notice him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fact that he's probably playing there that night, you know what I mean? He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to. But it makes things more convenient. It's smarter for him to.

You know what I mean? Because, you know, the whole Michael Jackson law. Remember we talked about the Michael Jackson law? Mm-mm. That if a certain... If you're... What? What are you laughing at, Taylor?

We talked about the Michael Jackson Law here on the podcast. When you're a celebrity of a certain stature, if you go out in public and you cause a scene and there's a riot, you can be fine for that. Is that right? You knew this, man. We had a whole conversation. I remember the conversation, but I don't know if you're pranking me or not, so I'm a little bit hesitant to, like, lean into it. Did you see the Odyssey? Yeah.

Did you love the Odyssey? Unbelievable. Talk about it. Did you not like it? I'll tell you this. when the Odyssey was over I stood up and I was just like

that was just great I mean there's nothing else that that was just a great fucking movie it was just a great film that is what cinema why do I feel like there's a butt here there's no butt

that is what cinema is supposed to be it feels like there's a butt there's no butt what butt is it my only butt has nothing to do with the movie which is it's watching the reactions the people on social media that I clearly have not seen the movie because they're calling it a woke film.

It's nothing remote. By the way, if you're calling it a woke film, your racism and bigotry is really showing because it has no wokeness in it whatsoever. I don't know if it's racism and bigotrystries is really showing, but like it is the problem with, with like, the performative wokeness

and that becoming something that you're framed as. But they're only calling it woke because it's a trans in it and some black people. Well, we're going to get to that thing. I don't even know the person was trans. We're going to get to that. Great job. We ever did the surgery.

Yeah. But, like, I think what's happening is, like, right now people are like, Disney is doing all this forced diversity and force wokeness, right? So now we've been framed to look at things in that way. When we were growing up, I don't even know if Disney made white cartoons. All I saw growing up was Aladdin, Mulan, a fun, like, I'm trying to think of the Lion King. But I never was like, look at them trying to be woke, making a brown cartoon or an Asian cartoon. But Schultz, if there's a movie with a cyclops in it, a six-headed mountain that eats people.

Right. Shut the fuck up about wokeness. Well, I'm going to get, actually, we're going to even go back to the wokeness thing in a second, how wrong they are about it. And like how deliberate decisions were made, which is like, you're actually like, you're showing a disrespect to how thoughtful Nolan is with film. making to think he would just throw something in willy-nilly, right? So we'll get to a second. But I think what's happened is because there have been like these performative woeship where we're like, let's just make the girl version of this guy movie.

You know what I mean? Like, okay, let's make girl Ghostbusters. Like there has been this effort, like, which is like kind of low-hanging fruit, to just be like, oh, let's just flip it. We have this IP that works. Let's just flip it. I think people's brains have gotten a little warped that they think everything that happens to be that is this performance.

is woke performance when it's not. Nothing about that movie is woke. Okay, so the opening. People are like, you put a trans and something? We'll get to it. Yeah, but we'll get to that. That's what it is. So the opening, right, Travis Scott opens it.

I did not know that was Travis. And I kept his name of that fucking Travis Scott. So Travis Scott opens it, right? And he's basically a, he's like, they call him a bar. He's a bar. He's a barred. Yeah, that's the term, right?

So a lot of people might not know is that the Homer's the Odyssey and the Iliad were not written down. This is oral tradition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So poets at the time would share this oral tradition. They would go into these, you know, alleys, or there'd be a place or they would talk and it would be like a bar hall,

and they would tell these great stories and people would sit around and they would listen to these great stories. Okay, so that should have been Andre 3,000, not Travis. Well, what is Travis? He is a modern-day poet. Yeah, okay. So, now, are there people

who are more known for their storytelling and bars This is Chris Nolan. He's a British guy. It's probably his kid's favorite rapper is fucking Travis. So he's like, oh, okay, that's what... And he worked on the soundtrack. So, like, the idea to me is like, in his, I imagine his eyes, is going, poets back in the day would tell these stories. Let's take a modern day poet to start the telling of the story.

And if you notice throughout the movie, it's all told through story. Absolutely. So, like, Matt Damon is remembering his past with Calypso. So he's telling the story and then you see it acted out. It was even an ill line. I'll find it. Go ahead. Anyway, so that's like the first woke thing

that I think doesn't make sense. He's not like, oh, how do I get a black guy in here? He's like, okay, let's have a rapper do it because these are the modern day poets and let's maintain that, right? For that number two. That's number one. The Lupita Nyongo being Helen of Troy.

That was the other issue? That's what she was? Yeah. I didn't know the fuck she was. Do you know who Helen of Troy is? Yes, I do. But I didn't need that because they was telling the story. Right.

I'm saying? So being that they're telling the story, I didn't need to, I didn't even think about it. Like the Trojan War was fought over, who was it, Harris stealing Helen from whatever is. But she had a twin too in the movie. Which is like that is, I have a problem with that. And that's, that's not consistent. Yeah, because Helen and Troy didn't have a twin sister, did she. Yeah, and also how can you be the most beautiful girl in the world if you have an identical twin? Ooh. There's only one most beautiful. I mean, one might keep it hairy. which would make you more beautiful. Back then, yeah. Because we appreciate women

and we appreciate their bodies. You see a hairy one, you gotta be like, you gotta hit it with the Sophie. But yeah, so, okay, so you're Helen of Troy and everybody's like, why are they choosing a black chick? This is Greece or whatever, okay? None of that shit mattered.

Well, I promise you, I didn't think race not one time. Of course, if you go see the movie. But also. And I did not know That was a trans. I didn't know it until when I saw everybody complaining about wokenness. I'm like, what the fuck was woke? Let's get to the trans.

Let's get to the trans. What's her name for us? Elliot Page. Elliot Page. Yeah, formerly Ellen Page. And you know who the actress is. She was in Juno. She was in Inception.

Oh, shit. Yeah. That's Juno. Yeah. She's fucking. Oh, shit. I love Juno. I didn't know that.

So she worked with. See, that's why you can't transition, man, because you don't get credit for your past work. I didn't know. Holy shit. That's fucking Juno. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have loved to turn to my wife and be like,

maybe she knew. You didn't watch Inception? She used to girl in Inception. I remember Inception. Remember? There's the little girl who builds the worlds. Leo gets her to build the world. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

See? These are amazing actors. You can't get credit for that either. A actor, whatever. You lose the credit for all of this great work now. Because people don't remember that was you. You don't remember. The rest of us are like, the rest of us remember visibly.

You're the only one. The rest of us remember vividly and we just try to get the fucking gender right. That's it. She did a great job in the movie. I don't care about none of that shit. She was a great, what is it, actor in the movie. She was a great, she was just good. He was not even, he was just good.

I didn't even realize that was a trans until after the fact. I don't think it's a trans in the movie. That's my point. They're just mad that a transgender is in this role, playing the role of a man. That's what people are mad about. That's what I thought. No, they're not mad. They're just mad that there's a trans in anything.

Like, they don't... Except performers. They don't get mad. They don't get mad with them. That's the only one that I'm upset about. No, they're mad that there's a trans in anything. And it's like, I think that people would be more mad if they made the scene about being a trans person? That would be ridiculous in that era.

That would be performative, right? Like, that would be weird. But they don't. And I just think that like, whatever, you know that character. He plays the character. Do you know the character he's playing? What are you looking up? I'm trying to find this line with this ill line, man. Well, look, I'll tell you the line.

It was something about singing. It was towards the end. And what part of the movie was in? It was towards the end after he, after he had con after he got back home and they went back out and they were trying to explain about it was like something about the singing of songs chase the sunset will chase the sunset west it was it was literally about songs because it kind of just wrapped up the whole film about like about the storytelling of the film yeah what character i didn't see it what character did elliot page

play so in the beginning of the movie do you remember when they were signing up to be in the army and they did a lottery yeah yeah and then Robert Pattinson's character and then there's like a little boy character and they like switch the sticks yeah yeah yeah and the little boy ends up going yeah instead of robert patinson yeah so weren't they brothers they were brothers right no that kid was the shepherd's family So what basically is Robert Pattinson's rich family pays the shepherd's, his shepherd's family. Exactly. So I think what they're- The Robert's a draft dodger, basically.

Exactly. And what they're using Elliott Page's character as is like, here's this weak, defenseless person that should never been in war in the first place. She's this vulnerable person that's not built for war. If you send a, if the character is not played by someone that has Elliot's stature, you see some gigantic fucking Greek monster, you don't feel as bad when they, get arrowed and shot up. But when you see this little twink getting shot up,

you're like, fuck, they should have never been there first place. Some rich family just did this bait and switch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they're suffering this fate, and they were essentially lied to by Odysseus or misled by Odysseus. Because remember, Odysseus doesn't say

that he's in the horse. No. Elliot thinks it's an actual gift. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he needed. That was ill. He needed them to believe. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's so many. amazing things about it. I got to watch it again. I mean, what I loved about it is that it showed two things.

Number one, you just can't escape God, right? Like at some point, you just got to let go and let God. But also, and I saw Ryan Holiday talking about this, and I thought this was such a brilliant point, Odysseus is not somebody that should

ever be looked at as a hero. And the reason he should never be looked at as a hero is because even after going through everything he went through, letting go, letting God, finally getting back home, he still couldn't keep still. And they made it in the movie

where he was going out to honor, you know, the dead. The dead. But really, no, he went out and still did more pillaging. So, yeah, so Ryan's talking about the Odysseus from the book. Yeah.

And like Christopher Nolan basically interprets Odysseus, in a different way, and you get like a much more likable, warm Odysseus. I never fell in love with the character, though. I liked them. Fair. Liked him. Even, because I felt like even after he made his, I don't want to get a movie away,

but even after he made the turn. In a movie away, it's fucking 3,000 years old. Yeah, you're right. The fuck I'm not talking about. But even after he fucking, you know, he made the turn and he scrummed the arrow together and he, you know, did all that shit. I still felt like you're still a bad guy. You still made decisions that you knew

were going to get other people killed. You still pillaged, you know, different islands and different places. Like, like, I don't think you're redeemed. Well, did he pillage any of those places? Yes. Maybe one, yeah. Yeah.

When they show us him doing that one, I just assuming that's what he does everywhere. The shit he did with the Cyclops was fucked up, though. Well, that's the idea. I hated that shit. The Cyclops is a weird scene, right? Because, like, in the book, Odysseus is a piece of shit in the book.

Like, he's a piece of shit in the movie. Nah, but like, he's a piece of shit who did horrible things that's trying to grapple with it on some like PTSD shit in the movie, right? And he's trying to grapple with the reality that he created. And then once he realizes and accepts the reality he created, he can finally move forward and he can be forgiven for his sins. And society- Maybe that's what we didn't see in the movie. I didn't see him asking for forgiveness. Well, I think-

You just kind of assume he's redeemed because, you know, he goes in as a beggar. The forgiveness is the punishment. So there's that scene before he leaves Calypso where he finally realizes he's ready. He's ready and that he was avoiding home because he knows what he created. He created the downfall of civilization, right? That is a completely different interpretation from the book. That was ill, though. So like in the movie, it's, hey, I did this, I got this cool way to get into Troy and then we could take down the Trojans and we could win the war.

Right? And then upon doing it, he realized he breaks Zeus's code called Zen. which is this idea that like you should always give like food and shelter to any stranger and they should always respect you when they come into your home so he takes advantage he breaks zuse's code it's like breaking the constitution and once one person isn't obeying the constitution the rest of society doesn't obey it and all society falls apart right yeah and he realized basically they start believing in god exactly yeah because if you don't fear god like god is what's holy it all together whatever you want to call the code of zeus whatever so what happens is

he internally understands that he's broken that code And then every place he goes, the code is broken. He goes to the Cyclops, and instead of the Cyclops offering him sheep and milk, they attack him and he kills the homies, right? He doesn't welcome you in. It's just what you're supposed to do. He goes to the Circe chick. Well, but think about the Cyclops thing, though. They were violating.

They weren't supposed to be there. They go into this. You're always supposed to welcome a stranger. That's loose's code. If a stranger walks into your home, you must welcome them, and you must treat them as if they are a god because they might be one. So he thought that the Cyclops was violating code? No, the Cyclops violated Zeus's code by not welcoming them in. Because they broke in.

They weren't supposed to be in there. You're allowed. You start eating my cheese. You know what I mean? Like you didn't, you're, I'm Cyclops. I walk into my place and y'all are just in here. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, look, so basically the difference, the difference between the book is that Odysseus was not remorseful in the book. Odysseus was like, I'm a genius. And he was so proud of himself in like the epic poem, whatever. He's so proud of himself of what he did. He had this hubris that made him think that he could defy the gods. And what he does is in the book, it's a little different. There's a moment with the Cyclops, where the Cyclops asks him, who did this to me?

And he says, nobody, like his name is nobody. And then when the other Cyclops come, they go, who did this to you? And that Cyclocops says, nobody did this to me. and it's his way of tricking the Cyclops into not looking for him. In the movie, he said his name. But right before he leaves, he's on the boat, he screams the Cyclops.

Tell them Odysseus did you conquer of lands? He's like, nobody can stop me. The Cyclops tells his dad who's Poseidon, yo, Odysseus fuck with me. You got to get back at his ass. And that's when Poseidon sends him around on this fucking insane journey. So the difference of the character is Matt Damas

feels horrible about this. He's avoiding going home. He actually doesn't want to go home because he knows what he destroyed. Well, no, remember he got warned. What was the guy who got killed and he met in Hades? It was another... Agamemnon?

The guy who is... No, no, I'm not getting it. I know that. I see this shit, but I don't know if you pronounce it. But yes, remember the guy in Hades? Because he was shocked to see him there. And he was like, what are you here for? And then he told him because basically going home is not what you think it is.

So he was like, you know, when I went home, he still had to pay, he had to deal with the shit that he caused. was we got Athena killed? Am I making that? Yeah, they killed Athena. Athena was the baby then. He had to sacrifice. No, no, no. Baby was his kid.

That he did that before. Oh, that wasn't Athena. And then he didn't... I found him that's racist. Because I just assumed that him and Lupita Nielgo had Zendale. Nope. That wasn't Athena? Nope.

Well, that baby got killed and Lupita's character, Helen and Troy didn't get over it. Was that Helen Troy? No, that was Helen Troy in Switzerland. I got to watch this shit again. But he killed... Mark Gaghanon because fucking... Hacking, ma'am. She killed him because she was upset about that sacrifice.

But to him, that was a noble thing to do making that type of sacrifice. And that's not even the other Odyssey. What do you mean? Odd to see my dick in your mouth. Okay? That wasn't fair. Not in that conversation. I mean, it is like this.

You were bound to get caught. I knew it, though. I felt like I was walking on landmines that whole fucking con. Like, I knew it. Okay. Anyway, back to the story. But he got warned by, what's the character name? Agamemnon.

Agamidon. So Agamindon is the one who put that in his head that going home is it going to be what you think of it is. Do you watch Dune? Did you watch those movies at all? No. No, okay. Doesn't matter.

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That fucking dog waited for him for 20 fucking, how long was it? 10 years? 20 years. That dog waited for you for 20 years. Argus. And the same spot dies. You don't shed a fucking tear. Well, that's it?

That scene was fucked up. Is it? I mean, yes, it is a real dog, but like, what is the dog a metaphor for? Ooh, what? I don't know. What? This is in Mulan. This is the Odyssey, my boy.

What is the metaphor for? The dog is a metaphor for his kingdom, slowly decayed. Slowly decaying. And ruins. slowly falling apart. Interesting. I didn't feel like that. I mean, you bring up a good point.

I just looked at it as, that was a cheap way to let us now know that Tom Holland's character knows this is Odyssey. But that's real. I think in the book, it doesn't,

I don't think Temeculous, which is like Tom Holland's character, notices it. But they do have that beautiful moment. And it's like he's just the loyal, he's the loyal servant, him, and then Yumaeus or whatever his name,

is, which is John Lingu's character. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Listen, I enjoyed it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just enjoyed the movie. I just thought it was a good fucking movie. There's another thing, like, you know when he's with Calypso?

I'm not getting you. Charlize Theron's character when she has him kidnapped on the island. Oh, yes. So the real Odysseus... They didn't even show him fucking her. So the real Odysseus was knocking down all these hoes and staying until he was tired of him. Damn. So...

And the lotus flower shit, you know, like to forget. He never takes that. Oh, so he know he's knocking her down. Yeah. So she was drugging her? No. Y'all worried about the woke shit? Nah.

Thank you. She was drugging him the whole time. Thank you. Nobody got an issue with it. Nobody got an issue with her drugging him and she don't even remember. Molly and a drink, he don't even know. That's crazy. That's fucking crazy, yo.

I enjoyed it. I don't know what to tell you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The movie was unbelievable. No, it was, man. But the decisions that Nolan made were brilliant because he made it better. It's better than the real story. The real story is not as good.

And the real story isn't even the real story. The real story is the only version some dude wrote down hundreds of years after the real guys were telling the real story. Sounds like the Bible. Exactly. This is what Alex was saying as well. So it's like, for me, having your own interpret. on these events, like people are like, oh, but he wasn't true to the real story. It's like, how do you know that that guy was true to the real story?

He just heard it as well and added his sauce to it. I read that poem a long time ago and barely remember it. But I like this version because it's lessons about ego. It's lessons about letting go and letting God. It's lessons about, you know, thinking that you're going to have some type of home coming when you go home because you feel like you've gone and done all of these great things. But people look at what you've done in a completely different way. Like, you just, I mean, I thoroughly enjoy it.

And it made me be like, yo, at some point you got to learn how to keep fucking still. Brother. Like, Odyssey didn't even feel comfortable in his kingdom anymore. Even after all the events happened, that's why he ran. So in the book, they don't make it like in the movie, in the movie, they make it like he was exiled because obviously the families of all the people he killed. Yeah. And then he had to go west to, you know, give his apology to it. I would have liked that better.

Well, that is what happened in the, sorry. That's what happened in the movie. In the movie, he's exiled, right? I thought he left. Yeah, meaning he left for multiple reasons, right? One, you just killed all the suitors. So their families are going to be pissed. So the only way that his son can maintain the throne

is if he pays the punishment, he's exiled from the land. He goes west to go apologize. Wouldn't the families want to kill the son? I think the agreement was the son didn't do anything. The father did. See, I got to, maybe I missed it. I didn't see that spelled out. That wasn't spelled out.

Okay, see, that would have made me feel better. If I had a butt, it's that. It's like there was no consequence for his action. It actually looked like he rides off into the sunset. Because what did those, what did the suitors do to his wrong? Nothing. Nothing, right? Odysseus is dead.

It's 20 years the dude hasn't come back. Like, you're the queen. We got to have a kingdom. You wait 20 years before you try to pop somebody's chick. That's kind of noble. That's noble. You know what I could have been on it like the first week. I waited 20 years.

Even a calendar year is generous. A calendar year? They're lucky. Drake wasn't one of the suitors. You see what I'm saying? Like, think about that. Think about how you hear about these guys going to jail and like the guy's best friend or some dude. Immediately.

It's on the girl immediately. Immediately. How many soldiers do we have? You go to war and you still got a phone. You see what I'm saying? Some guy's knocking your chick down while you're away at war. I try to open the straight. I do wish they would have shown me that.

I wanted Odyssey to actually. try to get forgiveness. Or if they would have told me he was exiled because he couldn't be here no more, that would have made sense to me as well. Well, the book is the cautionary tale about having to constantly travel and never feeling okay at home.

Never feeling okay. And that's the flaw of, like, Nolan made it so that he was aware of his flaws. And I think, and like he changed certain things because of it. Whereas I think the book was he is aware of his flaws by the end, but he's like, I don't know if I could change, bro. Like, we gotta stay on his boat

and keep traveling. I need to explore the world. I mean, just think about it. He ends the war, right, in the Trojan War, and then decides to not go back with Agamemnon. Agamemnon's going this way. He's like, yo, let's pop over to fucking Tahiti for a little bit and hang out. Yeah, I didn't like that either.

I didn't like how he, I guess they also didn't show how, at some point, honestly, you got to listen to something greater than yourself. I understand God. Well, he needed to be humbled. Remember, he thought that he could, in his mind, he outs. he outsmarted the gods. Yeah. So the process, Poseidon humbles him to the point where he goes, fuck.

The only, I am not better than them. And there's that moment where Calypso says to him, you can go home, you're ready, but you have to submit yourself to the gods. And Poseidon is going to punish the shit out of you. But Zeus won't let him kill you. And that's when he's in the raft in the water. Yeah, yeah. And then just ends up on.

on the shore. I understand Odyssey feeling like he was smarter than all the men. Odysseus, yeah. Odysseus. I never thought that he thought he was smarter than the God. Yeah, that was his whole thing. It's like, I'm not going to listen to you. I can outsmart them. I could tell my men what to do. We could find a way around it. And he's slowly learning that like the men can't listen to what he says. He goes, listen, we could go to this land and chill there, but don't eat the cattle because they're Apollo's cattle. If you eat them, you'll all die. They're there for a few weeks. They got a bonfire going with a fucking barbecue. No, maybe they were, no, I'm lying. There was, there were the moments where he started actually listening to people.

Like, he listened to his son, right? Yeah, I mean, he even listened before. Like, he listens to Calypso, finally. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And she helps him kind of remember the past. That's what, that's when he, that's when he, to me, that's when his journey began. Yeah. Like when he started listening to other people, right?

Of course, of course you're listening to die. All of his friends needed to die. Think about that. That's crazy. Literally, everyone around him needed to die. He's alone in an island for seven years with a chick. And then he goes, okay, I think I want to go home. And I love him coming back to his home as a beggar.

So smart. Because he can see from that perspective. You know what I mean? And he can see how people actually will treat you. That's right. Nobody's actually following Zeus's law. Like nobody's actually treating the beggar. Society has fucking.

Oh, man, no, no. It was brutal. And society is decomposed because of his actions. Yeah. He's the reason. He's hearing about the sea people, right? And these people who are just like lawlessness and just ravishing civilization. and deconstructing all of it.

And what he soon realizes that he was the sea people. He started that. His actions started that. So he goes and he has to reap what he sowed. Just one thing, though. So with the Zeus law, the guest must also respect the host home

and show gratitude and not abuse their generosity. So the guests... I don't think that a prize with the Cyclops, though. No, the suitors. Oh. The suitors were kind of breaking Zeus law.

You could make an argument that they were breaking the law, but I would also make the argument like, we're here suiting you. Like, if you just marry one of us, we all go home. You got to marry somebody. Your husband's dead, and we had a kingdom of a run.

What if you're suiting without consent? That's what a lot of them were trying to do. That's not suiting. A lot of them were trying to suit without consent. That's not suiting. It wasn't until she was open to it that they could really let their nuts hang. You know what I mean? All before that, they was trying to force her to kind of, you know...

To get married. To get married. Yeah. I mean, not even forced because they respected it. You know, they were like, yo, it is what it is. Like, we're going to, I think they were pretty patient for the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Like, this is a time where, like, raping and pillogen was normal, and these guys waited 20 years to get some cheeks. Like, that's, that's pretty good. I mean, now how I think about it. That's my, I guess my other only thing. Tell me. You probably, if you're going to have black people in the movie, not really brown people,

Jolly Gizamo was, you couldn't really tell he was John Ligazamo. But if you're going to have black people. He was phenomenal, dude. You should just, when it comes to extradicts, and shit, you should have just had more of them in the room. Like, when they were having the dinners and all of that, because there was only one brother, the whole thing. Like, that didn't make no sense.

Like, if you're going to do it, you should have just had some extras. Like, you know, that's the only, my... I guess I think the argument that is, like, it was more rare. It's not that it was completely rare, but to have, like, a... I think there were way more black people that existed in the time than people think when they think about Greece. I also think, like, the Greeks, looked way more brown than we have...

We can't strike. Yeah. He looked like he could be ancient Greek. I think he looked like he could be like Sicilian or northern African. Yeah. But like... I think that's what the Indo-Greeks look like. Maybe.

I think the Greeks are like... I think lighter, to be honest with you. Because if you're in like northern Greece or you're in Ithaca, you're... It's not exactly... That's, well, that's like Alexander the Great, right? Like he was more European-looking. Because he's Macedonian. Right.

Yeah. The further you go down the peninsula. The more Arabic or you look or whatever. But that's why I thought the Lipita Njango thing was kind of fire because imagine you're existing at a time where there's not that many like dark brown people, dark black people, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you have this stunningly beautiful one. We're talking about the most beautiful woman in the world.

To me, that would be peak uniqueness at a time like that. Finding another blonde or brown hair. No, no, no. But find another blonde of brown hair girl. You're like, all right, whatever. There's a million of these half blonde hair. You're like, you're looking at this girl. You're like, yo, we've never seen one like this.

That's a hell of a statement. No, no, that's a hell of a statement. If you got this movie that has got this lily white cast and the most beautiful woman in the movie, or you're saying the most beautiful one in the world is Lupid and the uncle. No, you're right. Right? Like, to me, I can get behind it in the same,

because if you just had a brunette there who's playing it that's hot, there could be something to be like, super hot, but like, I know another brunette that's hot. But if you don't know another girl that looks exactly like that, there's a version where you could be like, this is the shiniest diamond in the world. Yeah. But I'll tell you one thing, man, it felt good to go just watch a movie and escape. I didn't think about, when I promise you, when I went to go look at, like, reviews, you know, after you watch a movie, you go, like, watch the YouTube videos and stuff just to see Lord. I did not expect to hear anybody complaining about

wokenness. They went in there ready to complain about it. I, hey, I thought it was great. There wasn't anything woke about it? Nothing. The other thing I love about Christopher Nolan is he don't use CGI. Brother. He's using real fucking props. Like that, the Trojan horse, they built that.

And you know the scene when those fucking big ass night shit come out of the wood? I'm going to fuck you up in a second. Go. Those are real people. Yeah, I know. They said they wouldn't cast it seven feet tall people. Yeah. And they went in the woman who was, that wasn't even Matt Damon in them.

That was a woman. Yeah, so they had like super small women. Oh. And then these seven dudes and they used some cameras. Oh, my God. You want to know the crazy scene? What? You know that the cyclops was a puppet, right?

No. That's not even CGI. A puppet? Like literally like a puppet with strings and they were moving. Get the fuck out of here. So, and then that's not even the craziest part. You know when they turn them into pigs? Yes.

That's practical. I don't know the fuck practical. Michael means real, not CGI. Huh? I know it sounds crazy. What? That's, I know it sounds crazy. So what they did is, they used some camera tricks or whatever, but they created these, like,

clay, clay. Versions of things where they could be manipulated and, like, mush, et cetera, by the actress. But none of that is CGI. Fire. You know, you want to know, even crazier? The whirlpool. Nah, not. Just hear me out.

The whirlpool. No. Jet skis in a circle, a bunch of them. Nah. Yep. And then eventually, I'm sure they use some CGI to make the middle of it look crazy. But they actually made the water turn by just driving jet skis in a circle. Wow.

Listen, man, that shit, it adds a great touch. You know what I'm saying? We don't even realize what we're not seeing because we don't see it anymore. You know what I'm saying? We're so used to seeing the CGI and shit like that, like we've become accustomed to it. But when you see when it's not CGI, it just looks so much real. It adds so much more texture to it, man. Also, like, CGI is not impressive anymore. There was a time when we were kids.

Our green screen. Or green screen. Because when we were kids, right, like, we would see something that was created with CGI. And it would blow our, a transformer, mashing into a building, the building completely falling down. Like, your brain couldn't conceptualize how it could even. happen. Now I can type in my phone, Transformer Hits Building Fall Down, and I can have a perfect Marvel movie version of that by AI. Well, that's the book. CGI is going to be the least of our problems in about two years. I mean, they're going to be, there already is, but most movies are

going to be full AI. I mean, that's some good AI shit out there. I like, I like AI when it comes to the animation. I've seen some really good AI animation. I don't want to see no AI trying to make me believe that it's actual humans, but the animation actually looks dope. New Street Fighter movie, no AI in the animation parts. Really? It's good. I think that's dope. Honestly, after seeing fucking Odyssey and then seeing the Doomsday trailer, I was just like...

You're like, so what? Because if... CGI used to be hard, right? We would look at it like, this is an impossible task. It's cheap. Now it's cheap. Yeah, man. And then I watch so much Marvel stuff that I even watch the makings of.

But when you realize, like, you- That shit is ass when you watch them. Don't share the makings of Marvel no more. Don't. You just see a big green screen and someone holding a fake hammer. The costumes aren't even real. Trash. Like, they got the fucking shit all over.

Nah, bro. It's like, ugh. The worst thing they did is drop that trailer, the same weekend. They thought that they were going to, like, take some of the wind out of the sales or whatever, and I think it actually hurt them. They should have just focused on Spider-Man. That's it.

Spider-Man comes out on the 31st. Listen, you got Tom Holland and Odyssey. You got fucking Zendaya in Odyssey. You got the guy that plays Punisher. What's his name? John Berthal. John Berthal. He's in Odyssey.

All of these people are in Spider-Man. Now was not the time to give us Doom-Man. You should have gave us another Spider-Man trailer highlighting all of them. Because after what I saw in Odyssey, I couldn't wait to go see Spider-Man. I was like, yo, we get to go see them again in a couple of weeks.

That's literally where my mind was at. Should have gave me more Spider-Man. Doomsday shit? And the graphics aren't impressive anymore, bro. Like, you're going to have to do things outside the graphics. Like, yeah, the story has to be good. The fight choreography has to be clever. But just going, hey, here's an explosion.

We could do it on our phones now. Yeah, I have, I saw the Doomsday trailer and I realized something. I'm like, I have no emotional attachment to Doomsday. Oh, come on. Keep talking. How, Alex? How, Alex. You're talking it.

That shit is excited, man. But, Alex, think about all the other Avengers movies and how we got. to them. By the time you saw Infinity War and in-game trailer, you had been invested for the last decade plus. It's been, what, seven, eight years since end game? They lost their step a little bit, but right now this is going to be a continuation

of endgame. So it's going to feel like... To me, that feels like some retconning that doesn't need to be. You put such a great button on endgame. Give me something totally new. The fact that you got to go back in the end game and add seven more minutes... Jordan, about to fuck some show. With the Wizards.

It feels weird, Alice. It feels weird, like Jordan with the western. It feels weird. I don't have, like, I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, there's no buildup to this. We can't just get to do. What's the storyline? That's my point.

Doom is the most powerful Marvel villain. What's the story? You have Robert Downing Jr. playing Doom, you know that shit is going to be crazy. No, there's no guarantee. No, there's no guarantee. But what's the storyline? They're not going to tell you the storyline. That's the problem.

Well, you better. That's the problem. going in the Infinity War, we knew what it was. And by the way, that was the first time we saw Thanos in action was Infinity War. All before, it was just little things at the end of the movie. We had no idea what the storyline for the movie was. We just knew that Thanos was the enemy, but that's it. Listen, I'm going to see Dooms Day.

They got my money. But all I'm simply saying is I have no emotional attachment to it whatsoever. Like, none. Like, there's been no buildup. I don't even know how we got here. When does it come out? I don't even fucking remember. December 19.

All right, look, they got time to build the story. No, they don't. Nah. They got one movie. Spider-Man's coming out. No, no, meaning they have time in the marketing to build the story. Like, you could get it going. The point that I'm trying to make is, in order to invoke that reaction that you and I both want,

which is like to feel emotionally connected to this storyline, they're going to have to do more in the marketing than simply being like Robert Dyer Jr.'s playing Doom. Word up. Because also now, we've had some movies that are five. Dune is going to come out. We're more connected right now if you've watched any of the Dune movies. You're way more connected to this third Dune movie than you are, this Avengers movie that they had to, this is no shade, but they had to put together because the other Marvel stuff wasn't working.

That's a fact. It's true. We know, I don't think that Dumes Day was in the plans. I think the plans were here's the next generation of Marvel characters. That didn't work out. And then they were like, uh-oh. We spent a lot of money on this Marvel. property, we got to make that money back.

All movies like Odyssey continue to show us is that we the consumer want new IP. We the consumer want new stories. You know, even if it's... Even though it's the oldest story. Even though it's the oldest story ever. That might not be the best example. But I'm just saying, we haven't seen...

Well, it has been on the big screen before, but this generation may have not seen it on the big screen. You know what I mean? It's also like... I saw Supergirl. I'll tell you how Trash Supergirl was. Oh, my God. It was disgusting. Yo, but here's the thing about the Odyssey, I think, is so interesting is like and it really made me i was talking about this on flagrant but like it made me think

about anything that i'm working on now it's like two things one what is the simplest version of your story like and and the simplest version of your story is probably what's going to make it last you know the test of time which is like 3 000 years or whenever this is fucking written it's guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys fucker that's relatable. Guys trying to get back to his wife before other guy's fucker and kill your son. That's the oldest. Was he trying to get back to? In this iteration, let's call it. Okay. You know, like, to me, that is like the simplest version of what this story is. And you immediately know what to root for from the beginning of the movie. It's very clear. Now, guy trying

to get back to his wife before other guy's fucker and kill his son. Our son, loving his dad so much in believing his dad was still alive and wanting to go get daddy before other guys fuck mommy. That's also true. And that's his, and that's the son's journey, right? The son and the wife got a different journey. But like, add the fact that they're trying to fuck your wife and kill your son and you had to go fight in a war. You didn't even want to fight in. So now you're taken away from them for an unjust reason. And you got to get back before they take everything that's, you know, valuable to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and then like, this is the the shit I saw from Nolan, which I thought was great,

which is like, Christopher Nolan keeps returning to the same heartbreaking truth. The greatest tragedy isn't death, but losing precious time with the ones you love to war and destruction. The greatest tragedy isn't death. Losing time to the ones you love. That's the thing that every single person

that I see with older kids that sees me with my daughter goes, It goes so fast. That's right. You have two kids. You have one that's out of the house. Yours are getting out of the house. Do you ruminate on that?

Do you think about fuck? Yes. All the time. Too much. What dumb shit did I do that I missed all that time? Too much. No, yeah, 100% right. I don't even know what happened. I don't even know what the fuck happened either, Chris.

I remember her coming out the womb. Yeah. And now it's like, what the fuck. And how relatable is that? This man missed 18 years of his kid's life. Because he's fighting a war and his fucking boss wants to go fight that he don't give a fuck about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so much so that when he returned home, he didn't even look at that kid as his son. He didn't even know what was. He was talking to him. I didn't understand. I couldn't tell if he was pretending or he really didn't look at him as his son.

No, I think he was pretending. He was pretending? Yeah. It was easy to pretend when you don't know the little motherfucker. That's true. You know what I'm saying? That's true. Yeah, but I agree with you.

Nolan is, man, it made me want to just go on a binge watching Nolan's movies. This shit is too long to do. But, like, he is probably the greatest filmmaker ever. Like, if we're going to keep it a buck, bro. Cameron up there, too. Spielberg, Cameron. I think Spielberg's had more misses than Cameron and Nolan. No, hey.

He took more swings, too. He's taking way more swings. He's taking way more swings. And a goat in his own right, for sure. Ooh. Ooh, is, ooh, no, it's up there. I mean, I don't know where you rank him, but he's up there. Tell me who's around him.

Stanley Kuback. But what did he do? Yeah, who fucking Stanley Kubach? He did eyes wide shut, is that him? He did Barry Lyndon, a great movie. He did a full metal jacket. He did Space Odyssey, 2001, and Space Odyssey. Lolita, he did a clockwork art.

He did. I feel you, Chris, but that's not like. That's not like I'm pairing 80s ballplayers The like That's like I'm pairing 80s ballplay The 90s ballplay Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying Those are great movies in this day

You're trying to tell me Moses Malone Is better than Michael Jordan? You see what I'm saying? Yeah I said you guys I know it's too early But I'm gonna put Ryan Coogler in there Because he doesn't have a miss yet

Too early It's too early But he doesn't have a bit Let me ask you I like who Cougal is up too early though Brilliantly Talented Brilliantly, brilliantly talented Ryan Coogler.

If you had to say his best piece of work, what would you say this guy's got a long career? Black Panther 1. Would you put Black Panther? No, sinners. That's a sinner? I like Black Panther 1 more.

Cenders is way better. All right. I feel you on that one. Would you put Black Panther or sinners up against say this is the last one because I just told you before. No, no, up against

interstellar or dark night. But that's not fair. Google's going to get there. That's what I'm saying. He's going to get there. Like, like, like, like, like, I would put sinners over Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's people that, that would, like, he's nice.

Sen is over. I wouldn't, but he's nice. Google is nice. What I'm saying is it's unfair because he's too young. That's not saying. Filmming his decades long. Yeah, I did. Like, I think the cinematography on sinners were better.

I think the story of Odyssey is better. But you take- Oh, okay, okay. You're taking the news IP. The sinners look better? Yes, but is it a better story movie? I don't know. Odyssey, that's not his story. But that's-

Original- Original? Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Cines is original. Robert, Robert Rodriguez might feel differently, you guys. You guys don't have Scorsese in this conversation? Gosezi's in there.

He's up there, but he can't fuck with Nolan. Yes, he can. What do you talk? Now, Scorsese is nasty. Scorsetty's nasty with story. Yeah. And Nolan's nasty. Matthew was story to, but the way Nolan shit, look, I got Tarantino up there.

So that's the one that nobody, so here's the thing with Tarantino. So here's the thing, Tarantino. Okay. All right. This is, all right, this, everything gets different if you got to go top three or four movies. If you got to, if you got to go, we're judging people by their top three. Okay. Now Spielberg.

It's hard to say, it's not Spielberg. if you just go top three or even Tarantino if you just go top three. Because Tarantino, I'm taking Pope Fiction. Got him. I'm taking Kill Bill one. One. And probably Reservoir Dog.

Well, what about the fucking, the Django, yeah? Yeah, Django. I mean, yeah, Jackie Brown. I don't know if you guys fuck with Jackie Brown. Jackie Brown was crazy. Nolan just. He could be a book. It's not even close.

Spielberg is... It's not even close. Shindler, saving private Ryan. No, Stilbert. E.T. Spielberg is the goal. I mean, come on. Jaws.

You know, Spielberg, again, if we're just going top... Raiders of the Lost Ark. Come on, man. Movies he just named Arnda. I know what you're about to say. I know what you about to say, but I'm going to fuck you up. Yes, they are. Disclosure Day was fire.

I didn't see it. Y'all ain't see it yet. Disclosure day was fire. So, Spielberg has already shown me he can transcend generations. Like, Disclosure. Disclosure Day and Odyssey are the best movies I've seen this year. All right, hold on. Spielberg's got some of the absolute all-time classics.

Hold on. Disclosure Day is one. Spielberg, if we go top three, what are your top three Spielbergs? Saving Private Ryan, got to be in it. That's no question, right? I mean, Jaws is one of the greatest movies of all time. You guys can't imagine. My job was fired back in the day.

You guys don't understand. I remember my dad took me to see Jaws and theater. My dad took me to see Jaws in theaters. I remember Jaws 3-E in the theater, bro. That shit, fuck me. What? When you sit in the movie theater and that big ass fucking shark is coming out that fucking screen.

Jaws was fire, bro. Also, like... Close encounters of the third kind. You guys don't understand how big a movie that was, man. Yeah, man. That was a monster. Schindler's List. Yeah.

That's an all-time epic. Yeah. Saving Private Ryan. Saving Private Ryan. All-time epic. Yeah, like... E.T. Now, E.T.

is a fucking banger, bro. But E.T. It's not a top movie. Nobody puts E. Yes, it is. You don't understand. It's a classic versus. No, you guys don't understand.

You're talking about classics versus like a. If I had to do a top ten movies of all time my whole life, I probably, I can get E. I can get E. E.T. was fire, bro. Okay. So, who did. Who did Shawshank Redemption? Who did that?

Who did Shawshank Redemption, Chris? I don't know. Let's see. My phone is dead. It was directed by Frank Darabont. Man. I'm looking at this time. I asked Chad GPT who the top team of filmmakers.

One big swing. Chad GPT said number 10 is Christopher Nolan. Number nine is Frederico Fellini. I don't even know who that is. Great new wave director. What do you do? He did a bunch of, he's Italian. They're like all very influential Italian movies

from like the 50s and 60s. Okay. Eight is Ingmar Berman. Ingmar Bergman. I don't know who that is. Also great director, sure. Seven, Orson Wells. Six, Francis Ford Coppola.

Five, Scorsese. Four, Spielberg. Three, Stanley Cabrick. Two, Akira Corosawa. And number one, Alfred Hitchcock. No. Come on. They got Alfred.

They ain't even put Tarantino in that list. Antino's not even on the list, which is crazy to me. Tarantino's not even on the list. Tarantino's a little gimmicky. No. Stop. No, he's not. Yes, he is.

He got a style. Why is he gimmicky? What's gimmicky about him? He got a very sick of style. He got one style, man. But it works. Look at the range we just showed you with Spielberg. Look at that range.

But Tarantino's movies have range, though. He can go from Django to Pulp Fiction. It's literally a movie about slave. But it's got the same energy. It's got the same pacing. It's got the same point of view. I can say that about Nolan. Yeah, you can say that.

Yeah, exactly. I'm not talking about Nolan. I'm talking about Spielberg. But I'm saying most great directors have that. Like most great directors have that. Like, most great directors. have that same signature style, tone. But what I'm saying is that's what,

looking at these lists, that's what sets Spielberg apart. The range between Jaws and Schindler's list. Think about that. There couldn't be two movies more different. You know, another- Private Ryan right in the middle. You know another great Spielberg movie I love? Minority Report.

Remember Minority Report? Sure. Minority Report was fire. It was fire, but I don't know if range means you're better. Yes. When all your range hits. It does. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, if you got range. And this is not Spillberg, but if you got range and everything's at eight, it doesn't mean you're the greatest. You got to have, you got to, if, if, that was a bunch of nines and tens, I just mentioned. That's what I'm saying. If you got to be at 10 to be in a conversation. And if everybody else is also a 10 and you have range, that might separate. Yeah. No one got like five tens, bro.

Snowberg definitely got five tens. Nolan got like five tens. I'm not like, like, night of a 10. Count Nolan's misses. Let's, let's do that. Tenet. Tenet is the only one really. I didn't, I didn't really fuck with the bomb movie.

Which one was that? The, uh, Albert Einstein shit. Oh, Oppenheim? Oh, you're like, Oppenheimer. Oh, you're like, Oppenheim? Oh, wow. Say that was the greatest movie ever. No.

Yes, you did. So remember I had, remember I had like, I was going through my breathing shit because we were trying to get pregnant. I had that, like, anxiety-induced exsixiation. I couldn't breathe. So the whole time I couldn't breathe. I was like, this shit is horrible. I like, I want to lose it.

I think I'm thinking of the jet movie with the Tom Cruise shit. That shit is fire. You thought that was the greatest movie. Top Gun? Top Gun. And Maverick. No.

No, no, no. Oh. But Maverick was incredible. But Oppenheimer, some people say that's like no one's best work. I think they... I think Dark Knight is the best work. I think they decided Oppenheimer

was his best work before they saw it. And I think it was like, who was they? You already know who that is? Okay. Okay. You already know who they is. The mannequins. I think it's

Dark Night and Inception is best. Interstellar's pretty fire. No, interstellar is pretty fire. But I like Inception. Interstellar one of the greatest movies. Yo, did I tell you about this movie I saw? No, I think I told you all last week. Inception's a 10.

Interstellar's a 10. Project Hail Mary. Did I talk about that last week or two weeks ago? It's new? No, this is the Ryan Gosling Space movie. All I saw that. Oh, my God. This movie's fucking incredible.

It's out now? It was out already. It made hundreds of millions of. dollars. I was like, how is this movie making all this fucking money? What's it called? It's called Project Hail Mary. I didn't see the shit. No. Unbelievable. Really? It's by the same dude who wrote the book, The Martian.

Andy Weir, he also wrote this book, so they just made a movie about this one. I was like, how was there an audience for this? I didn't get it. I didn't realize it was based on the novel. And it is so good. I got to watch it. I got to watch it. But Nolan got five tens. Spilberg, definitely. got five tens. You got five tens as a filmmaker, bro. You got

we got to put you in elite category. These guys are elite. Elite. And we're talking about five undisputable. Is that the word? Indisputable? Indisputable. Indisputable tense. We're not talking about like, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? Like some people that was my favorite, but this is five indisputable tense. To be clear, I would put Tarantino in their group. I think Tarantino is fantastic. Yes. But, the note is similar. So when it's like in the World Cup, okay, you guys have the same record.

Now we got to go to Gold scored. Okay, you guys are tying that. We got to go to whatever, you know, like at some point you got to keep breaking it down. I feel like Nolan is the same way, though. Nolan has a similar tone. Yeah, very much so.

I think he has a similar tone. Very much so. All right. Let's pay some bills, man. Because he always does like the time jumping around stuff, right? Messes with time. Messes with. Same actors.

Same actresses a lot of times. Yo, you know what I think that's about, man? What is that? I wonder. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. Every great director did that. Like, when you find these people that are, like, amused to you, that's what you think about.

Like, think about Spike Lee and Denzel. Think about Scorsese and... I think that became Scorsese's Achilles' heel. I got tired of seeing, like, De Niro and Pacino and the Irish men trying to make them look 45 when they're 75. I was like, just go find some fresh actors. man. So I think it's different for different directors. But I think

I think Tarantino, again, I don't know enough. This is me completely guessing. I think Nolan thinks he's so nice anybody could do it. So I think that he's placing people in, not that he's like, they're going to bring something that I can't even believe

is he. I think he knows exactly what the movement. movie's going to look like before it even begins. And I think he's like, all right, who can, who's not going to fuck stuff? Like, you know what I mean? Where I think there's some directors that are going, I need, like, there's no way you could predict what Jim Carrey's going to do. You can't, you can't predict it, right? He's like such an anomaly or like, and there's other at Robert, Robin Williams or whatever. Like, I'm using comedy, but I'm sure there's other Danzel, for example. But I think with the Nolan, it's like, he already has the movie in his

head and he's like, who do I know is going to deliver? And if they deliver, it's going to be the best thing. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. At the same time, isn't that a little bit of a crutch that the fact that he just went with every single A-list actor? So, so check it. I think, I think, I think Tarantino's the opposite. I think Tarantino likes to take a washed-ass actor and goes and go, y'all thought John Rolter's done? Let me show you something. Let me show you how nice I am. Let me show you how nice I am that if I put him in my shit, you're going to go,

this is the greatest actor of art. But I don't think Nolan just went and grabbed a bunch of A-listists. Like, he'd worked with Damon before. Everybody in that movie he worked with. Yeah, everybody. And from what I was told, he wanted Christian Bell to play Odesson. Odyssean. Oh, really? I mean, I read that. I don't know if that's

true. I didn't see him say that. But I... Nobody says no, bro. He calls you. There's a funny story. But it was a reason Bell couldn't do it, though. Nobody says no, bro. But I just, I would have been really impressed. That's why it's part of the reason why I like Game of Thrones so much, because they don't take the big actors.

They can't afford it. And now you really focus on the story. This was just like. I didn't feel like that in this, though. I promise you, when those guys popped up on the screen for a brief second, you're like, oh, that's such and such. And then you lose it. I'm out of it.

But I think you lost it because it was just so many of them. I don't think so. Every single actor and actress in there was, top top alas. First of all, let's be clear. I'm black. You didn't know most. I didn't even know more.

Okay, I knew Matt Damon, I knew Charlie the, what's the name? Yeah, you got it. You know what I'm saying? I knew her. I knew Robert Patterson and I think Punisher. Okay.

And you knew the wife. That was Charlie Darrell. That wasn't you? Oh, Charlie Darrell was the one he was piping on the island. Yeah. I don't know who the fuck the wife is. Who's the wife?

What's the name? Anne Hatham. Exactly. Oh, shit. That was Anne Hathaway. Wow. She's a genius, bro. She's nice. She's not smart enough to make us know who she is yet. Well, you were not allowed to because she's a white woman. That's right. That's right. You know who Lupita Nyonga was. I did. She's Mexican, though. We tend to forget that.

What you mean as true? She's Mexican. Her family immigrated to Mexico from Canada, I believe. Get the fuck. Yeah, Lupita Nyongo is Mexican. I remember there was even a little controversy at one point because she was stressing that. Like, that she's Mexican. Her first language is whatever dialect she spoke

from her family in Kenya. Look it up. I remember. And Spanish? That's fun. Y'all didn't know that? Yeah. She's born in Mexico City. De Fe Tchilanga.

She was raised in Kenya from the age of three. Oh, she's Kenya. Come on, bro. She's World Cup. Mexican. She's World Cup Mexican. She could play for the team Mexico, but she didn't really spend no time there.

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said there's a undercover gay mafia. I don't like him taking Dr. Umar's talking points and using him for itself, man. This feels very, you know, Elvis Presley doing rock and roll after he heard Jimmy Hendricks do it. You know what I mean? You know a white boy's popping when Charlemagne hates him. You know a white boy is popping when Charlemagne is cutting his legs. Let's listen to it. Tell me you haven't heard this before. Listen.

Everybody knows. There is like this closeted gay mafia, largely Republican, that exist in Washington, D.C., and everybody knows every single one of them, who's gay. And so it's in, and what I believe, the only reason that that is relevant is because I believe that internal conflict creates so much vitally. inside a person that they take it out on the rest of the world. And they do. And so what they do is their whole lives, they've been closeted. And so you have this like black ball inside yourself, this like blackened heart by the fact that you can't be who you want to be. And so you take it out on everybody else.

And these men, largely men, have done exactly that. And there are, everybody knows who they are. everybody. Yeah. The fact that he would wait until Lindsey Graham passed away to start talking like this is so disrespectful.

Have that conversation while he's... Rest and peace. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't think that's disrespectful, yo. It is also funny that he's like... It's funny.

So he calls somebody gay and say there's black balls in him? No, no, but that's awesome. No, I'm like, they can't be gay, they can't be gay and an asshole. No, that's how you become gay.

by being in an asshole. No, that's, that is true. But what he's trying to say is the reason that they had these politics that are horrible that he disagrees is because they're closeted and won't accept themselves and they're putting that hate out on the world. Oh. Like, he can't conceptualize that there are gay people that also might believe all these things politically. The thing about Hunter Biden is he's not saying anything. And there's this thing going on amongst liberals right now. a lot of talking points that people have been saying for the last decade plus,

a lot of the more mainstream ones are starting to adopt. Like? And they're like that. Like how many times have we heard this gay, by the way, not just Republican, but definitely Republican, that the Republicans are gay and closeted. And that's why, you know, they're so anti-LGBQ. Like, this has been a talking point amongst us forever. Yeah. You know, so now to see somebody like Hunter Biden go out there and use that talking point.

All the other day, I saw Joanne Reed saying, I don't want to miss quote Joy. Let me pull Joy. Yep, hold on. Joy Ann Reid gives Maine Democrats permission to not vote if party replaces Grand Planter with a moderate, okay? After Grand Plattner suspended his main Senate campaign on Wednesday telling voters they have her permission to not vote if leadership opts to replace the progressive candidate with a more moderate option. Progressives pick Platner. So you need to replace him with somebody who is ideologically the same. Because that is what was decided. The people of Maine, the Democratic voters of Maine said, we want a progressive. They did not say they want an A-PAC moderate.

So the Democratic Party in Maine ought to pick someone who is ideologically the same or ideologically similar as Platner. If you don't and the DNC shoves an A-PAC candidate down your throat, you have my permission to not vote for them because the Democratic Party needs to learn that it is not vote blue no matter who. It matters who. They sometimes need to lose in order to learn.

Sometimes when you lose, you learn. When you hear stuff like Joanne Reed, when you hear stuff like Hunter Biden, I just feel like that is where people have been having those conversations. It feels like a lot of these conversations are late. Well, I don't know. I got to see them separately.

I mean, I don't know why Joy and Reid, no disrespect, is saying that, you know, supportive A-PAC is the biggest fundamental issue for people in Maine. I don't believe that to be true, right? No, I believe that. A-PAC? Yeah, yeah.

Maine? That's a big issue now. You're missing it again, Chris. You're missing it just like you missed the trans stuff last time. It's a big issue, remember how Republicans were harping on the trans issue, and that became like a real sticking point. Remember that?

Democrats are doing that now with APEC. They're like, yo, if a candidate feels like, if a candidate is supported by APEC, we're not supporting them. All right, then walk me through it because I don't understand. Why? It's just that simple because they feel like genocide and Gaza.

I don't think it's about the war in Gaza. I think it's about, like, autonomy over your country's decisions in foreign policy. And the feeling I think that probably a lot of people have is that eight-back candidates are going to push them to do things that are not in the best interests of America, but are the best interests in Israel. And I think a lot of Americans are probably pushing back against that idea. Why are we involved in this? Why are we continuing to support this? Why are we beholden to another country? Exactly. So I think that's specifically as a pushback.

I don't know if Maine, I don't know how much the people in Maine are caring about specifically what is happening in Israel, Gaza, but they might be looking at other circumstances and being like, oh, are we influenced to go into Iran? Are we influenced to, continue this war, like, what are we doing and how much money are we spending and why is that money got not going to the American people? It's really just that simple. And what Joanne Reed has talked about in regards to Maine, that is how people feel all across the country.

That's why right now the best communicator in the Democratic Party is Zoran Mondani. Not only is Zoran Mundani saying all the things that need to be said, he's actually establishing a track record in New York City of getting things done. And that shit he did with Netanyahu last week, listen, you don't have to be a Democrat and adopt that rhetoric. Well, boy, let him cook, because that shit is impactful. When he, because he, on the campaign trail, he was saying he wanted to get Netanyahu locked up because he said Netanyahu is a war criminal who having a rest drawing out there from

the organization, the international. What is it, Chris? ICC. ICC. Chris is shrugging his shoulders because Chris, for whatever reason, doesn't understand politics. This is good politics, Chris. It's a good stunt. It's a good strategy.

It riles people up. It gets the people going. It is a political stunt. Who is the guy that constantly is talking about locking up his political opponents? You don't want to learn nothing from Trump because y'all hate him so bad. But the reality is he says things that are sticky that get the people going. And I said this before when Donnie adopted a lot of Trump's rhetoric. I did a piece about this.

I think he's the left Trump in a lot of him. He just has. He's much more articulate. I talk with Mondani. I like him a lot. This was too performative for me. Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people.

He is responsible for the killing of more than 73,000 people. For the maiming of tens of thousands of children as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. For the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers, denying newborns even the chance to live. For the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them. For the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists. And just last month, the UN confirmed that Palestinian children continue

to be deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli armed forces, more than eight months after the so-called ceasefire. The list goes on and on. All as we, as Americans, pay for the bombs that do the killing. There is a reason the interest. International Criminal Court issued a warrant for his arrest. As human beings, we have spent generations building a shared understanding that there are crimes so grave they offend all of humanity.

Anyone with their eyes, with their heart, with their conscience, should recognize the devastation he has wrought and understand that he belongs before a court of law. What was the defining moment of Mandani when he ran for a woman? What was his defining moment? Affordability. No. What do you mean? Oh, when he was on the debate.

Focus on New York. And what do you say? I'm going to focus on New York. Are you going to go to Israel? And what do you say? I'm going to focus on New York. He was the one guy that stood up. I'm the fucking mayor in New York City.

What the fuck am I going to go to Israel for? But this was rooted in New York. He said if Netanyahu comes to New York City. It's not the job of a mayor to arrest. Yo, he's trying to keep the best New York summer going. Let him cook. Let him cook. If BB Netanyahu is considered a warm criminal.

I'm just saying turn down the heat of a little. Why? If there's an arrest warrant for BB Netanyi We're having two different conversations. Why not saying? Charlemagne is having the marketing conversation. That's all it is. And Charlemagne has long spoken about how bad the Democrats are with marketing and messaging.

Right. So this to him is a magnificent and brilliant marketing and messaging move, especially if the party and the constituents want to feel like there are candidates that are brave enough to push back against AAC. That's it. The establishment, the big establishment. And the establishment. And this is, this is an example of pushing back with, is it, is it, is it a, what's it called a, a bullet that's not a real bullet? What does that call? You can't even do it. Yeah, I know. What is that called where it's like a rubber bullet?

Is it not even a rubber bullet? It's just a fake bullet. Like is it, is it an empty threat? Yes, it's an empty threat. And he's acknowledging that the threat is empty, but the messaging meets the constituents and they get riled up about it and they really like it and they're supported by it. Okay. So I think what I'm really saying is I'll concede all that. You know, it's build a wall. Right. Yes. That's all it is. Yes. A new, a new leader. Okay. So let me build a wall. Immigration was a very effective marketing campaign, let's call it, messaging for Trump. Because I think people really wanted that and he tapped into something. My concern is the Democratic left, whatever you want to call it, is about to eat itself alive.

if Israel continues to be the defining issue for the party, right? I feel the defining issues for the party right now is Trump is literally dismantling democracy in this country day by day, step by step. It's happening at an incredibly fast pace. The job is get him out of here, and then you figure that stuff out. And I know that might sound very cold

when you're talking about people who are getting slaughtered, killed by bombs paid for by U.S. dollars. I understand all that. I think the future of the country is at stake, and everybody should be united to take out that for him. But Chris, it helps to get them out here. Let me say one thing to that. Let's assume that that is true.

Like, no pushback, right? Obviously egregious overstepping the corruption to another level, not even including like another fucking potentially endless war, Like everything. Only 67 billion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, zero pushback to what you're saying. But the question that we have to answer right now is, is what you're feeling,

what the average person is feeling. Right. And what they're upset about. Yeah. And I would gamble that Mom Dani is more aware of what his constituents care about than what you are. Even if you are more right in what is best for the country. So the only path for what I'm calling for is basically...

Trojan horse. We're throwing Israel under the bus. It's done. It's not throwing Israel under the bus. It's throwing under the bus. It's throwing Bibi Net and Yahoo under the bus. We're going to Israel, it's over. Whatever relationship has existed has to end. And this is what they feel.

They're throwing BB.B. Net and Yahoo under the bus, who's a corrupt leader. I agree. And they're throwing APEC under the bus, who they feel is organization. who funds all of these candidates who don't have the best interests of the people. I can't argue with that. So that's what he's doing by highlighting this, it makes Donald Trump them have to come to the defense

of BB Net Yahoo. So you're coming to the defense. So this is a rope or dope? Yes. You're coming to the defense of an international war criminal who's responsible for all these babies being killed in Gaza. So I'm saying I'm going to arrest that international war criminal if he steps foot in New York City

or at least I'm going to see if I can. which he knows he can't. And now this administration has to come to the defense of these people that we know that they're beholden to. It's actually brilliant. It's chess. Now, does it eventually lead to your intended goal? Potentially. Maybe.

I think so. Maybe not. But in terms of marketing and understanding what the base wants, and not only what his base wants, but potentially what the Republican base is frustrated with the Republicans for. Right. now you cause a fracture within that base. Right? So to me it seems like a smart political strategy.

I think what? I was just going to say, I started this agreeing with Chris where it's just like, I didn't really like that move, but after hearing it put that way and now I understand it better. Yeah.

The reason why I dislike it because like he has been the, hey, I'm focusing on the issues guy. Like they're trying to throw him off and he's like, oh, what about Iran? one about this. He's like, no, the issue is New York and I'm getting shit done. And he's been doing that. He's getting stuff done. He's showing you the work. Like, ignore the noise, because

this is hoopla. This is shit that you can't even do. You know you can't even do that. So why invite this noise to distract you from just focusing on New York? Because he's looking at the bigger picture. It's political capital. I get it. Yeah. November's right around the corner. You need political. Democrats need as much political capital is they can get. And the reality is that like he has limitations in terms of how high he can ascend in the United States of America simply because he wasn't born here. So can he be president? No. But can he gain enough political capital where he is the face of the party? Then he can insert people in these positions of power that he might not have, but now his ideas get to permeate through those figures. There was a point where I didn't think

Zoran Mondani could be effective all around the country. And I still am leery about that, especially when it comes to where I'm from in the South. You know what I'm saying? I'm born to South Carolina, right? I don't know if Zoramandani can connect with those older black voters in the South. I'm not sure he can. But I know that those young voters that you want to rile up around the country, for the midterms, you're going to need his voice. And if he keeps doing stuff like this, let him talk to that audience. That's the problem with Democrats. They call themselves a big tent, but they want everybody to be on one message. No, if everybody's a big tent, let this group talk to this group and let that group talk to this group and this group and this group y'all go down there and talk to this group there shouldn't be a fit

shit should be like the NBA right now it should be multiple people that represent this one party so mom donnie's credit when asked about this he said that he would work with people within the party that he disagreed with like even on issues which i thought was like a smart political statement i don't know if his supporters will support that eventually he's going to be in a position where he's supporting a candidate that might be pro israel or something like that, but it's for the benefit of the Democratic Party, and we'll see if he's willing to do that, because they agree on other issues. You got to show you're willing to fight these people in your own party. But, well, but also if you actually want the big tent,

which I think has been an issue probably for liberalism or Democrats in general, which is like, there's certain things that we cannot accept. And if you do this, we cannot allow you to be in it. And you might even say, like, is also the problem of the Republican Party. It's like, it's too big a tent. It's just like, hey, you agree we should lower taxes? You're a serial killer?

All right, bro. You think taxes should be lower, right? Like, they'll accept anybody, and the Democrats will accept too few. There's too, like, a too myopic view. So, you know, what ends up happening? I don't know. Who knows? But, like, that's going to take some real political capital to get people in your party

to trust that you are making a decision, even if it goes against kind of what they believe. But that's why Zoran is effective. He bucks the system. Let him buck. And he's gaining the trust of everybody because he's like, hey, I'm running. I'm going to do this, this, and this. And he's checking each one of these things off.

What are the things that you feel like he's checked off for you? Reesfront. Rees front. Daycare in New York City. Daycare. What's it called? Did they do the daycare, though? Yeah, that was like one of the first things he got paid.

That's in effect. Oh, they did? Affordable housing. They're building more. They're targeting. shitty landlords, like the slumlords and stuff like that. The supermarkets, whatever that deal, I don't know that's not going to affect me that much, but the fact that he ran on it and he's actually putting it into effect when they said,

hey, you're not going to be able to do this. First one's going to be open up, I believe, later this year. So it's like... You also balance the budget. Yeah. But not really. No, as much as any of those other things. But come up.

Yo, you helped them win, yo. Cut it out. Cut it the fuck out. I helped everybody win. Can I get a lot? some credit though? Yeah, but my thing is how often do we get politicians that run on stuff and actually do it? So the fact that he's doing it, he's actually getting to trust the people. I'm not saying he's not. I'm saying what is the effective thing for you? I think he's got a lot of

things done in New York and I think he's the most effective messenger in the Democratic Party, especially to a group of people who were completely soured on the party. You got a whole swab of people That's like, fuck the Democratic Party. But they were soured on the party. They were soured on the party because the party refused to acknowledge what the people wanted. That's right.

And they kept stuffing in candidates that the people didn't want. And that's how you sour a party. When this is a democracy, at the end of the day, you have to listen to the people. Let Mondani Cook. I don't need Mondani to be like Josh Shapiro.

I don't need Josh Perry to be like Gavin Newsom. I don't need Gavin Newsom to be like Jackson. I don't need any of them to be alike. I just need all of them to energize, whoever they energize. Do you think that... You need them to get behind somebody eventually. Yeah, do you think they'll all be able to do that?

Of course they will. Well, that's... I don't know. I think this is going to be an issue. Suppose Josh Shapiro's the nominee in 28. And he takes, let's call it, a Kamala-esque approach to Israel. Well, he's not taking no Kamala ass. Well, he can't go.

No, no. No, this thing. Let's talk about that. Josh Shapiro was one of the first people taking BB Net and Yahoo to task. Josh Shapiro was one of the first people taking BB Net and Yahoo to task. Josh Shapiro was one of the first. first people calling BB Netanyahu out. Go check the record.

I personally believe Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the worst leaders of all time and has steered Israel in a wrong direction and made Israel less safe and made their future less bright because of his leadership. Like he's all, he's never rocked with B.B. Netanyahu. So if you actually listen to the candidate, if he becomes the candidate, if you actually listen to him and the nuance and go back and look at his track record, you'll see he's always called BB Netanyahu up. The question is, is that enough?

No, because they're going to say he's so pro-Israel, which he, I mean, why? He's Jewish. But that is, so that's the thing. And what's wrong with being pro-Israel? I think there's a difference between being pro-Israeli-Kurray government, Bibi Netanyahu, and being pro-Israel. Well, I'm pro-America, but I'm not pro-Trump. Right.

So the question is, does the party recognize that difference? And I think that the people that are in control and are empowered in the party, like, I think if you ask him, I'm going on, if he's pro-Israel, he says no. Like, straight up. Like, I think he views it as a... Yeah, and he says no. He says, no. He says he believes in equal state, two equal states. No, no.

He says, I don't believe in any state that does not have equality for its citizens. and he doesn't view Israel as having equal rights for its citizens. So that's his elegant way of saying no. I mean, he speaks to like... He advocates for a state with equal rights stating that he cannot support any nation, whether it is Israel or Saudi Arabia, that legally privileges a specific religion.

Exactly. What's wrong with that? Well, there's nothing wrong with his statement, but what he's basically saying is that as long as there aren't equal rights, I won't support it. And now you're going to get into the minutia of equal rights, which is if you're Jewish,

you have the right to return to Israel. But let's say you're a Christian and all of your family comes from the land of Israel, you don't have the right to return as a Christian. So that might be a separation of rights because it exists as a Jewish state. I think if you ask, Zoran, honestly, do you believe in a Jewish state that is Israel?

I think in his most honest moment, he would be like not in the current structure of the government. If the government did reflect complete, you know, equal rights for everybody, then sure. But then it wouldn't be a Jewish state, probably. Again, I don't want to speak for him, but I imagine. So there you go. Now you're going to have the party is going to have some trickiness. And then that's where will Zoran get behind somebody who is like,

oh, I believe in supporting the stain, I believe given weapons. I also believe in all these other progressive values for America that Zoran agrees with. Will he step over that line? That might be a red line for him. What did Shapiro say about Netanyahu? Pull that up, Chris? Because, I mean, you know, it's a fine time to start talking about guys like this

because they are going to be the ones that are in the running. Okay. So, yeah, who do you think it is? I don't know who the actual candidate's going to be, but I mean, Shapiro's definitely going to be one of the candidates when the primary happens. Shapiro has explicitly called Netanyahu,

if I'm saying his name correctly, I'm probably not. A, quote, horrible leader who is steering Israel in a dangerous direction. He regularly criticizes BV's rhetoric, particularly slamming his denial of the starvation crisis in Gaza as abhorrent and wrong. But the question... And he was saying that before October 7th. But the question is, is that enough?

I don't... You're right. I don't think that that will satisfy the appetite. You're right. I think that there was a time where it would, simply speaking out against the leadership and then the actions of the government. I feel like it has shifted even further now where it's just like... Now you've got to threaten to get him arrested if he steps on.

American soil because he's an international war criminal. And as of this year, March, I guess Shapiro went on a podcast tour where, according to the hill, he's leaning into his support of Israel, quote, for those who begin by suggesting that Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a Jewish state, I think that is a recipe for permanent war, Shapiro said. He's a Jewish man. What do you, like, I don't, that's the wildest thing to me. Why wouldn't you expect a Jewish man to rep for his homeland?

Here's a. You cannot like the government and the leadership, but still rep for your homeland. I get it. I'm guilty of the same thing. The reason I'll get him. That's not huge. That's the common sense to me. Sure, but that might not be enough for the party and what the party wants.

That's kind of my bigger question. The concern is, so let Mondani cook and try to get the mundanis of the world on your side. Because when the Mondani's of the world endorse you and say this is our guy, he's already done that heavy lifting for you. So you don't have to. Here's an example. Chris, come on. That is, that shouldn't be an aha moment. Come on. Here's an example. There was this, there is this Kennedy Nepo baby that was running. There was like TikTok popular. His name was Jack Schloss. Barely TikTok popular. No, he was really popular at one point. Yeah. And he was like, he was a progressive darling on TikTok. And there was this girl that like interviewed him. And. Now, to be fair, not a good candidate, never had a real job, like, never had any, you know, purpose to be in there.

It's only there because he's a Kennedy. It's only there because he was making TikToks. And, like, the young progressives got behind him because they were like, this guy's a progressive. And he's a candidate. It's like, all worlds are working perfectly. And, you know, in his mind, he's like, okay, I've never had a job. And, like, this is my destiny. I should do what my family did or whatever. And he got interviewed by a girl, I think her name is Crackhead Barbie or something like that. Oh, yeah. I remember. And she was like, for Brooklyn, right? I think she is.

She's like, say Free Palestine, Jack or something like that. She's literally in like a powdered wig. She's in the same thing. And he goes, I can't say that. Campaign nose-dives. I think he was the frontrunner at one point in point. Campaign nose dives loses the election. And I think that for the progressive, especially in New York, I don't know what it is like in Maine,

but especially New York, that is seeming. turned into an issue where if you are not on the right side of it, they will not support you. So, and his thing wasn't, his like, I believe in giving defensive weapons. He wasn't even like, yes, everything they're doing. He said all the things. He said, BB's bad. He said all the shit, but we should give defensive weapons. And that was, they were calling him genocide Jack. Yeah. Something smells a little dangerous to me right now. Dangerous in what way? And maybe again, this is the, And if Chris can smell it, you know it.

That was a lob, by the way. That was a lob. But I don't like that. I don't like this kind of all or nothing. Say it, say it, say it, say it. You know, get in line with the party. If you don't say it, you're out of here. We can't support you.

It's the same lack of nuance that has been destroying things for the last decade. I agree with that. But this is the Achilles heel of the party. Yes. Right. And this is the... Well, it's the same on the right. It's just Trump. For the last... Say it. And if you don't say it. Well, I would say...

And you're saying cracks along the same fault line, which is... Of course. Israel. Which then, again, the Jew and me is like, hmm, why is Israel become the fault line that connects these two things on opposite ends of the spectrum, right? Now, you could say in response to that, well, it's because they're fucking bombing babies. I don't think they've done themselves... That's exactly what it is, Chris. I don't think they've done themselves any favors, right? Like, you're seeing footage in 4K that, like, if you see it's very difficult to get behind. You're also seeing, like, policy decisions from our government that don't seem to be prioritizing, like, American citizens.

And I think you saw this, like, even with the U.S. aid stuff, right? Like, initially, this idea, there was a visceral reaction from a lot of Americans, and it was handled poorly and all that stuff. But this idea that, like, wait, how much money is going abroad to these random causes? Yeah. And then the way that it was done and just with an axe and not really understanding, of course. But there's always been, and I don't want to diminish how people feel about it, because obviously it's a very real and serious situation. But there's always been these causes internationally that a particular moment capture, let's say the far left's kind of passions and attentions. When I was a kid, it was Central.

San Denaena, Nicaragua, you know, all these places that. Joseph Coney. Right. We had put money into the coups there. we had propped up dictatorships. Sure. And there was energy around it, but it was never anywhere.

And maybe this is because of social media, maybe the landscape's changed. This is a different type of energy. And it's inflexible. And there's something that doesn't feel all the way. But again, this could just be me being, you know, I don't know. I have some internal stuff I got to work out.

You're going to have a greater sensitivity to it. Sure. Given your experience and the experience of like your family. Sure. Just like you guys

are going to have a greater sensitivity to things that might appear to be oppressive or racist towards black people that some white person would be like, why do you even think

it would happen that, that's got nothing to do with it. Like the way that you guys might see, and this is not to create an even correlation, but this is just like

an understanding is like the way that you guys might interpret a DEI thing is going to be so different than some white guy who's just like, well, it's just let everybody

get the job. Like, we can't, whereas you guys might go, well, first is D.I, then they're never going to hire us. And this is their way of just getting it back to all white boys in power and positions of authority. Right? Like, so there's going to be certain sentiment activities that people have given the things that impact them. And it's, look, I've been in a couple of events recently where they weren't rallies. They weren't pro-Palestinian events, but just kind of spontaneously or, you know, they start free Palestine chance. And I'm kind of like, it's a hot-bought I'm looking around like, do I need, you know, I might need to get out of here. My wife is like, relax, man.

Like, relax, I know karate. That's the truth. That's the, what you're going to do now? He said, relax, I know karate. I didn't say that. We're going to let that stand, but shame on you. It's kung fu, okay? Karate's the Japanese.

Shame on you. But yeah, I think the, uh, yeah, I think the, uh, yeah, I think there's probably a lot of people that share your sentiment, Chris. Of course. What do I know? And this is the tricky thing because even as we sit here

and I'm like trying to navigate this conversation, you're dealing with at least as I've witnessed, which is like two completely different knowledge sets on the internet. Sure. And both do not exist within the same reality. And some aren't even real. Some are bots that are going to take this conversation

and flip it, bounce it? 100%. And every one of the countries that we didn't even say. Every one of the countries that is, is, views us as their opposition or we view them as our opposition is inflaming this controversy in this conversation the worst possible way here because it benefits them that we're more divided. But like, even as I'm trying navigate this, I'm, I'm, it's so, it's fruitless in a lot of

ways because when you have two completely different knowledge sets about what's happening, it's like, it's like debating history. with two people that don't share the same version of history. Oh, absolutely. Do you know what I mean? And so it's like you want to have an open discourse about it, but simply presenting something in a way. Like for you, you heard Free Palisand in your brain,

you're like, does that mean they want to kill me? Right. I'm sure there's people who hear the term Free Palestine. They're like, hey, we just want them. What's the opposite of Free Palisand? Inslave Palestine. Nobody wants people to be enslaved. So why is this term so terrifying to you?

Right? Like, why are you? Why are you? I think it's also interesting because I'm someone who is very much against AIPAC and I'm very much, you know, so politically, I'm even aligned with the sentiment. I think it's the energy. I think you get, they lose you when they stop having nuanced conversations. Right. When they just generalize all Jewish people in all Asia. Sure. It's not even generalized conversation. It's like people get lost when they're not. even having the same conversation, and I'm telling you, trust me, and it's been like absolutely demoralizing the last year having conversations with people because I genuinely really enjoy doing it. But when I have conversations with people on different sides of the aisle that I genuinely respect and find intelligent, I go, wow, you guys are in two different worlds.

Like, there's no way, there's no way even having this discourse publicly would be able to work. because you wouldn't convince any of your convictions. People are retreating back to this very prime. And look, to be clear, I said what I said about Free Palestine. Some of my most absolutely frustrating conversations have been with other Jews who I considered rational, smart, nuanced people who were talking like fucking cavemen to me. You know, like, I have a friend who's arguing about, like, well, it's not technically genocide because in order for it to be genocide, you know, 13.4% of the conference, you know, 13.4% of the

of the populate and I'm like, do you hear what you're, you're like trying to parse this in percentages. It's tens of thousands of innocent babies. The fact that you're even taking the stance means that it's horribly wrong. We don't need to get into language. Yeah, it's like crazy that you're even trying this argument with me. Tens of the babies being killed. Like that's, like that's it.

Right. He's like, yeah, but technically the amount of percentage of Jews killed in October 7th represents a, you know, I'm just like, I can't, I can't listen to this shit. Again, this is one of these things where it's like, I promise you, even this very podcast, there will be excerpts taken. Oh, people will hear exactly what. They will clip it to their advantage and people will monetize it and people do reaction videos. I think this was a nuanced conversation. It always is on the very nuanced conversation.

We're the most nuanced people out here. And that's why we're clip the most. Yes. Because we're actually willing to have conversations with people we might do. disagree with. Like, like, Zoran is a perfect example. Unbelievably skilled, like so skilled, beautifully articulate and his ability to communicate. Do I disagree on certain, like, economic decisions that he's making? You know, for example, like, do I think freezing the rent actually hurts more people? Yes. But do I agree with him on the sentiment that, like,

rent is crushing people and we need to do something to help it? I think the only thing that will actually help it in the long term is building more units. They're doing that too, though. Well, they're technically doing it, but in order to actually do it, you're going to have to raise money. I mean, I don't want to get into... And build me some middle class while you're at it. Well, no, no, of course, of course. I guess what I'm saying, like, again, in order to actually erect these structures,

it's going to be difficult to require a lot of government money, which is going to require more taxes. And if you want to do it in the private sector, you don't have incentive structure for, afford if you're going to keep the rents low. Again, I don't want to bore people with the details of this, but like, I've asked all my buddies and realized that, I'm like, why don't we just build more units? Like, this is the greatest city in the world. Why can't we just get those up? Because to me, my fear is if you freeze rents for half the city, well, what kind of pressure does that put on the free market rents? These are frozen. Nobody's leaving those. So these over here are going to go way higher. That's basic economics. Even a dumb guy like me can understand that.

You know, another thing I was thinking, though, like, there really isn't too many places to build in New York. And I forgot what building it was recently that they were building something on top. It buckled. That's the one in Midtown, yeah. That is the other problem with New York City. You know what I'm saying? I mean, just to, I guess to button that point is, like, I agree with him on the ethos of it. And I felt this way about burning, too.

It's like, I agree with where your heart is on this issue. How we actually solve the issue, the prescription for that pain, maybe we have disagreed. to how to get there, but at least your heart is in the right place. But you know what I like about them? Some people's heart ain't even in the right place. Exactly. So it's like- Exactly. But you know what I like about him?

Not only did he talk it, he's at least trying to walk. Yeah. You don't have to agree with the direction he's walking in. But boy, he's in there at least trying. He's doing something. We don't know if that shit going to work or not. But he's trying. Look, we see motherfuckers.

Tell us they're going to do something, get in and don't even try. You're like, yo, what happened to that? Yeah. Yeah. There was another one that, like, I heard come about and, like, like it was the piettaire tax did you guys hear about that so it's like people that have i'm not trying to get you people have a second home in new york they're not new yorkers they got a second home but someone from outside new york they got a second home in new york and i think it was like

there was going to be a tax levied against it for any uh apartment that was worth more than i think 50 million bucks or something like that and i was like that's a really interesting idea because there are probably all these people that have a second or third home in new york that now that home can't be rented by people who really need to create more, we need to create more units. And here's an example of it's just going empty and like at least, you know, benefit the city in some way. But here's the thing.

It's like a $5 million home, how many middle class or working class people can't afford to buy a rent of $5 million home? That's right to make it so they don't buy in the first place. Because the big problem with New York real estate. Chris, real quick, just for that point. so they don't buy it and what i know but we've got so many people in russia and john and all these countries stash who are liquid in those countries yeah yeah they're unstable countries i know it's so much safer to put it in american real estate and half the money is corrupt anyway so hey

is it five million for that apartment sure i'll pay that 10 15 yeah yeah it's artificially inflated the entire market so it's it's a way to try to to do what to make it slightly less attractive to those guys. Maybe they'll go put that money. But what does that do for the people who actually are suffering under the rent crisis in New York? You're right, because the distance between whatever the market rate. And I tell you what it actually does in actuality, what it does. So I have a friend of mine. He's very, very successful guy and he spends an exorbitant amount of money per month in rent. Right. Once he heard about that pediatric tar tax, he literally told his landlord, you're going to have to take 30% off my rent price. And then he goes, what are you talking about? He

goes, nobody's going to afford this because there's about to be 100, 200 units that enter the market right here at luxury levels. So what it's doing is it's saving the wealthiest people in the city money, the wealthiest people who choose to rent that are in New York City because they're luxury places. Now, if he did it for everything above $500,000, all of a sudden, you would have all these middle class units and even working class units that would open up because now a guy who lives in San Francisco most of the year wouldn't keep an apartment in New York that he's only in three weekends as an investment property that no one's there. Then those are not into the market. So at that point, I would be like, well, that's an interesting thing that's really going to create

what we'll call liquidity in the market. Yeah. I think you're kind of focusing on the wrong thing because if you're trying to, hey, let's tax the rich, but we have no way of taxing them because they find ways to get around the tax. It's like, hey, this is something that's only going to affect rich people, and it will bring more money into the city. It's not about opening these apartments. So if it's not about opening the apartments, but finding a way to levy a tax against wealthy people, then that's totally fine. I think what I saw the marketing as is finding way to open more units. So what it does is effectively is it taxes those people, right, and the wealthy people. If they're willing to pay it, they pay the tax. If they're not willing to pay it, all it does is

create luxury condos that are cheaper for the wealthiest people. Still, whoever buys them eventually will have to pay that tax. So even if it goes to somebody else. Only if it's a pieter. Like if it's their second home. Only if it's their second home. Okay. And only if it's their second home and you don't live in New York City.

So this is a per example of like I agree with the ethos behind it. Like I like it and I actually, that is a, there's a compelling thing there and they're trying to figure things out and I give credit in that regard. but the prescription for the problem, I don't know if it ends up helping the middle class people and the working class people that are really being crushed by rent here because that's not a fucking joke like they are.

Let's see what happens. Yeah, that's all we can do. Let's do some asking idiots, maine. One more what, man? Yeah, y'all ain't got no BIP in a minute, bro. I'm glad you got that BIP just now, you know? Come on. No, BIP is an acronym.

Be a brilliant idiot politics, that's all. You just gave them some BIP. little bip. You got a little bit. You know, like that little biff just now? You got to do it better. What do you mean? That's not a bit.

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They, Bart Scott, but they also fired like 150 people behind the scenes. The crazy thing about the ESPN thing, and I've been saying this all week, it's, I didn't, the way it was done to Ryan seems a bit strange, right, because he found out during the broadcast, but I was told that. But I was told it because it was about the leak. That's, I could, okay, so like, that's super. Super fucked up. Yes.

But I think the reason they did it is because... It was about the leak. Yeah, that's what they said. And so they pulled him to the side to let him know, hey, this is what's going to happen, blah, blah, blah, because they didn't want him to see it, I guess, on... To that, I would also say, like, tell him in the morning. Like, what are you... Where it leaked already?

He found out live on air. No, I'm saying, tell him before you came to work. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It's not like you didn't know what was going to happen. Like, to me, it's still disrespect. And they leaked into, like, outkicking shit like that, because, you know, they wanted that conservative audience to jump on them. Like, it was, it was silly.

But here's the beautiful thing. The pivot is popping. You know what I mean? Cam Newton, Funky Friday, Cam Newton 4'11. Cam's only been to ESPN for two years. They went and grabbed Cam because Cam was so hot doing what he was doing outside of fucking ESPN. I didn't even know Cam Newton was on ESPN. I thought he was doing his pop.

That's what I see most of his stuff from. Exactly. You see most of Cam stuff on his own platforms. If I was Ryan, me, Channing and Fred, we together every day doing an hour of sports and putting it out. And I'm still putting out my regular pivot episode every week where we're sitting down doing an interview. But me, chatting and Fred, every day, once a day, doing an hour of sports. Y'all can do it on Zoom.

I don't know if they're all living the same area. I don't know what it is. But they can get together and do an hour of sports and put it out of the podcast every day. The pivot will take off even more. I think the bigger question, though, is that has been kind of avoided by the firings is why is ESPN firing so many people? Because everybody's going to save money.

Well, well, yes. But like, the conversation is like, oh, Ryan was fired or what did he do to get fired? And was he beefing with this? Was it because he said that, et cetera? They fired 150 people behind the scenes. I know, I know, I know. What I'm saying is if I was a PR agency, I would want people pushing this story about why certain people got fired. So they're not talking about what may or may not be happening economically at the company that they got to fire 150 people.

ESPN does this like every year it feels like. So if it's a common thing, it's a common thing. I didn't know that they have that many. Did you know that? No, I don't know. I think it might have been one of the largest of late, but ESPN has a heavy layoff rate. Got it.

Yeah, yeah, they have a heavy layoff rate. So then it's nothing. So if they do have a heavy layoff rate, then it's not even a really big story, right? Because this is just what they do. I think it's the way it happened to Ryan. The fact that he was on air. No, that is messed up.

That's the story. They told him on. air, he doesn't finish the show. I think that's the reason that, you know, Ryan's situation took off. And, you know, hold on, I'll read you this, I can read the statement that we got. Hold on. Because they gave it to the breakfast. You shouldn't make people come to work to get fired. That's not saying that. That's kind of unprofessional.

Why would you have him do that? Don't make someone come to work to get fired. Most jobs. This is a lot. Like, yeah. HR has to find you in person. This is one. This was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity. Do it. Well, what's you making him go to work for? He just worked. to the office. That doesn't make sense. This is the statement we got from Breakfast Club exclusive that we broke this early this week.

This was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity for a man who's worked as hard for a network as he has and been one of the faces. Head of ESPN, Burke Magnus had it leaked the outkick, as you know, who celebrated and rallied conservatives the poor on support to control the narrative, blindsided him while he was on air. A company like Disney broke the news to that outlet and then told Ryan as he was on TV during break. Yet they were posting his takes from all day still on social media while this was happening to get views. Yeah. It's not a money thing. They still have to pay him.

We know why it is, not because of his work. Ryan just won two Emmys this year, the total four and three years for them. And to be let go during the show, he won an Emmy for and built and was on the top 25 media powerhouses in every list that exists for being the most impactful.

Some bullshit. He's going to be fine, though. Nah, but that's another thing that goes on in corporate America that people aren't talking about. All the major companies, they do that a lot. Like, they'll just, they'll over-hire, and they'll pay a lot for their employees

so people want to work there, like the Amazon's, like the Meadows and all these places. But then they'll just go and just fire thousands of people. That's the game. And Ryan still won't get paid. That's a fucked up way for a lot of people. Like, there's no job security anymore. That's why the best job security,

especially when you're in media, is to have your own platform. Yeah. Have your own platform, okay? Not everybody's front-facing. Well, shout out to the people for being front-facing. Ryan has been front-facing. You know what I'm saying?

Ryan can go anywhere. and have a conversation, and he got his own platform. Ryan will be fine. And he's still getting paid by ESPN. He's going to be fine. All right, let's do some asking idiots. German underscore Lizold.

What's the next big thing after podcasting? Nothing. Nothing? No, that's not true. I think, I mean, I think podcasting is just going to continue to evolve. Like, I think there's so many different ways to still do podcasts.

Like, I think that, you know, now you see a lot more. genres other than just political podcast coming out daily, right? And I think that the next thing you're going to see is some, it's going to be live. Like, it's going to be people doing their podcast live daily. It's a lot of people doing that now.

You know? We're not really a podcast. We're a radio show, but yeah. Yeah, but we're, we've made a podcast. I think the next thing that's going to come from podcasting is you're going to see a lot of this podcast talent get into other verticals, meaning that, you know, what you saw with, you know,

Theo Vaughn doing like Bus Boy or like, you know, Andrews in movies and stuff. But I'm talking about actual IP created because of the actual podcast and, you know, the podcast talent. I think you're going to, you're going to see a lot more of that. I just think you're going to see podcasting continue to grow and evolve because the talent in the podcast space is the talent. It's the talent that has these niche audiences, right, that these built-in audiences that support what they do, and you're just going to see that podcasting talent just be in other

spaces. That's what I think. I think you see television and film have an explosion. Yeah. Starring podcast talent. Say again? Starring podcast talent. Sure. I think not just podcast talent, but I think like, I think that, I think that the big movie studios are now going to race after every YouTuber that's got a following. Oh, yeah. And I think they're going to cut checks and get them to throw stuff out there. I think that they're going to, so they're going to look at IP differently. IP won't be like, oh, here's this comic book or here's this, whatever.

It's novel, it's going to be like, oh, here's this connection between creator and audience. That's right. And I think they're going to let them cook in that regard. I think from that you're going to see a lot new IP that starts to come out, i.e. the obsessions of the backrooms. and I see you're going to see that proliferate, you know, film. And I think you're going to see movies, like when you go to the movie theater, become more epic adventures. So it's going to be an Odyssey.

It's going to be an avatar. When you put a film in theaters, it's going to be something that warrants being in a movie theater. That's right. If you've got a little fun little rom-com, that's going to stream. if you have an experience that people... It... Well, yeah, it has to be big. It doesn't have to be a fucking Formula One movie

but it doesn't have to be big like that. But it has to warrant the experience of going out of the house. I think so. Because obsession kind of shattered that myth. Well, that might warrant it. Because obsession, based off what you're saying, go get these YouTube stars

who have this connection with their audience. So for me, for example, like, deep connectivity and, like, years of longing and waiting, equate to successful movie. So if you have a super popular video game, for example,

I'm bringing a street fighter, but it's like, okay, people waiting decades to see this, we hope they go out and see it in a theater. That feels warranted. If this is a brand new story that you've thought of and you're a writer that nobody knows and you, nobody's heard of you, but you're really talented,

you make your movie and you put it on Apple, you make your movie, you put it on Netflix, you make your movie and put it on Amazon. People can go find it. if you're an author and you've sold 20 million copies of your book and now they're going to make a movie about it, put that shit in the theater. You have 20 million people dying to see what this fucking looks like. And I think that's how cinema and TV change. And I'm going to tell you something else, man.

You know, everybody's been looking to see how like these, you know, all of these podcasts being on Netflix was going to impact the podcast in space. Edison Media Research put out the top 50 podcast for quarter two in America. And I found this very interesting. The Bill Simmons podcast surged 17 positions to break into the top 25 for the first time. And, you know, Bill has been on Netflix since January. And Bill not only comes on Netflix, he comes on live as well. Like, you know, Bill, I thought his strategy was good too because he comes on, like, he would come on after all the big, big sporting events.

So, like, big NFL playoff game, he come on and talk about the Patriots, you know, big NBA game. He come on and talk about the NBA finals. All of that has helped his actual audio podcast grow. Breakfast Club. We're number 11. We've always been, like, top 20,

but we've never been as high as 11. So it's helping you. 100%. Because Breakfast Club is listed under the podcast department and the category at Netflix, people go search the podcast. for the audio as well. And it's helped everything grow.

So, yeah, man, podcasting, you say what's the next big thing after podcasting? Podcasting is still becoming the next big thing. Yeah, yeah, it's in its infancy, for sure. And it will change in effect

in a different way. But in terms of like, in terms of TV film, this is what I was there, or specifically in terms of film, I think the days of a star actor opening up a movie just because he's a star actor are done.

Oh, I agree. The movie itself needs to be something that draws people either through existing IP, through a novel that it's based on, a video game, like, that needs to be the draw, or the director who's built up a track record of amazing quality movies. You want to know how retarded I am? Tell me. I had no idea all those A-listings is an Odyssey. But you know Chris Nolan made that shit.

I wanted to go see it because it was Christopher Nolan, and I'm in front of it. fucking Vegas. Yep. And my man had the theater. I'm like, I'm going to go see the Odyssey. And word of mouth. Because in one of my group chats on Friday, my dude Rob, Sloat to Rob Markman, Rob Markman was like, yo, the Odyssey was fire.

Enough said. I'm a movie guy anyway. I'm going to see the Odyssey. I didn't look to see who was starring in that shit. As I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, shit, this person in there? Oh, shit, this person. But I went because it was Christopher Nolan. And somebody told me Christopher Nolan just put out another fire movie.

I'm there. Yeah. I'm there. Yeah. I think in the digital space, IRL streaming. I think that's the next thing because it started with the kids and now adults are seeing how much money that's in this IRA streaming and now adults are starting to do it. And it's...

I don't want the adults doing kid shit though. But that's the thing. It's going to become its thing where it's like, hey, maybe you can not have to crash out in order to watch people. But in this day where people are behind their phones, they're not getting out in real life. That's the only way that makes it feel like you're outside in real life talking to people. watching other people live there like. It's like reality TV, but realer. And in this time where we're moving away from everything fake, everything AI,

that's the realest it gets. Yeah, I think that like, I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. And this is, this is always the case. Like, this is just the newest iteration of, like, the reality show. Yeah. So, like, reality shows became popular because of how cookie cutter sitcoms were. So I was like,

all these sitcoms start feeling the same. What happens when you just have people being with each other? Real world. What the fuck? All these other reality shows. Holy shit. And then now that those reality shows are so popular, people are acting on those shows. Right?

So like they know what to do. I'm going to be the villain. I'm going to be the hero. I'm going to be the nice guy. I'm going to be the dick. So now we don't trust that. So we need something that feels more authentic. And now maybe streaming is that. but yeah it's a lot of money in it

it's funny I would never watch a stream I love watching the clips I watch clips from Adrian Broner and Dean the Great all the time I find them so fucking hilarious and but would I ever sit down and watch a stream no but I'm also like that I don't even know windy stream yeah exactly it's not for me

I just get the clips but it almost feels like the stream is a vehicle to make clips and if you're filming for 12 hours straight You're going to get 10 clips for 30 seconds each that are funny. Bro, kick got it now. It's a kick of Twitch. One of them got it now. All you got to do is say clip that.

When you're alive, all you got to say clip that and it'll clip whatever part. You know that? Yeah. The basic clips the last 30 seconds or something. I don't know what the time frame is. You just say clip that. It clips the part. Shoots it right up as you're fucking screaming.

Like, you can't beat that. There's a lot of kids at home. There's a lot of people with time. And so I'm telling you, these people are streaming all the time. And they have thousands of people watching any moment it's up. Yeah. Truman Show. Calabunga.

No, no, no. No, no. I gotta go. Huh. All right. Well, Taylor said, fuck it. Taylor said, we got to get the fuck out of that. I love that. As always, if listen to this podcast,

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