The Brilliant Idiots - Enemy Of Everybody

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

In this episode, Charlamagne and Andrew dive into the rap feud between Kendrick Lamar and Drake. They're chatting about the infectious hooks in Metro Boomin's “BBL Drizzy” track and how this beef is shaking things up for both artists. They're also tackling the ups and downs of celebrating Mother's Day and the wild ride that is parenting. The conversation takes a turn as they unpack how the media spins stories and the pitfalls of confirmation bias. They're getting real about the power of algorithms and how they shape what we think. Plus, there's a deep dive into the fickleness of internet trends and why it's so crucial to think for yourself. They're talking about staying true to who you are in everything from social media to personal relationships. With personal stories and fresh insights, they highlight how being authentic builds trust and real connections. Chapters 01:27 Discussing the Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake Feud 05:05 Navigating Mother's Day 08:44 The Influence of Media Narratives 11:24 Confirmation Bias and Echo Chambers 13:10 The Fickleness of Internet Trends 40:19 The Power of Authenticity 45:34 The Influence of Media and Academia 50:07 The Discrepancy Between Statistics and Lived Experiences 52:55 Combating Anxiety and Being True to Oneself 01:09:58 The Role of Lies in Daily Life ************************************ Get Honest or Die Lying Why Small Talk Sucks By Charlamagne Tha God (Pre Order) https://a.co/d/gpFlOol Check out Andrew Schulz www.theandrewschulz.com Alice Randall "My Black Country" Out Now! https://a.co/d/1VTFp9i Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" https://blackeffect.com Check Out "Summer Of 85" on Audible www.audible.com/pd/Summer-of-85-A…areTest=TestShare TaylorMade-It Production Contact: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of a website or domain. Let's start this show. Hesi! What's all? What's the word, my guy? I think we were having this discussion earlier about what the best song of the whole beef was. Damn!

And you came in here singing it. I've been singing it for the last two days. My wife is now singing it. Really? I think my daughter, God forbid, might even be humming it. Very catchy tunes. It is unbelievably catchy. And I think the winner of this entire battle

is neither Kendrick nor Drake. it is Mr. Boomin, Mr. Metro Boomin. Metro Boomer. And B.B. L. Drizzi. There's something about a medley. Oh, my God. Whenever you have a melody with something. Unbelievable.

It's just like, it goes back to childhood, like with any, mini, mini, ma'y, mo, or A, B, C, D, F. Anytime you can sing, like, a melody to something. Amen. You, you win. Before kids can understand words, they understand melody. And that, that, that, that metro booming, that metro. B, B, DZZZ. Phoebe Al Drusie.

And the funniest part about it is when he first posed it, Drake left a comment and say, you're making beats about my ass. Yes, Drake. Yes. You asked for that, though. That was the dumbest move that he made in the entire thing. It wasn't going up against Kendrick.

It was beefing with the greatest musician of our era. Welcome to the club. First of all, people have been making beats about people's asses since day one. Back that ass up. Back that ass up. You know, shake it fast. You know, twisting. Shout.

Even back in the day. Twist and shout. This thing that people was twisting. Twisting that ass. Come on. Twist a little closer. Yeah, man. Come on, man.

Just a little closer. Yeah, that really was drop it like a tie. That was white people's drop it. Drop it like as hot as another one. Anything that got to do with the ass and you can make a medley to the ass and make something that can make people shake their ass. Forget it.

You win. Yeah. And BBL Drizy is one of those things. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. I'm gonna tell you something, man. And it's probably be like, We'll be talking about this beef for a long time.

It's probably like the last good week of it. It's like Thanksgiving. It's over. Like, you know, because Kendrick just went number one. We're not like us on Billboard. You're not like us. Euphoria's number three. Like that.

Like that still in the top ten. Drake family matters in the top ten. But I tell you. Certify pitify. That's why Drake will have to fight. Huh? Drake going to have to fight, yo. He's going to have to put hands on them?

There's been some really good bits that have come out of this, right? Like Metro, shut your whole ass up and make some drums. People are going to be hitting them with that. But then Metro got people saying BBL Drizney, but then all the OVO will be getting called OVO holes all summer long. Drake will be just walking down the street. A minor! You know what I mean?

Like, it's bad. Like, he might have to fight. He can't even fight Kendrick because Kendrick could just be like, yeah, you would want to put your hands on someone five, three. Somebody might have to do something, yo. For real. Yo, just saying, dude, he really can't. He can't.

Chubs might have to, God damn, you know. I'm saying. Drake can't even say I got a hot 16 no more. He got to just be like, I got a verse. Yeah, I have a fire. It's really good. This is really fucked up. By the way, that's the one thing out of this whole beef, I don't like.

What's that? I think that they both drop nuclear bulbs on each other for no reason. Yeah. They went to hell on each other for no reason. Yeah. Nobody wants to be labeled a woman beat. nobody wants to be labeled a goddamn pedophile. Yeah.

And it's, it, but, and don't call me a pedophile with rhythm, bro, with melody. It's too convincing. Certified, love a boy certified, pedophile. How dare you. Certified. Wah, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack. What, what is an Italian slur? What, what, what, what.

Just see four Italians walking out of the street. What, wah, wah, what. That's not what what kind of what. That's the slur? Yeah, without papers. Whap, whack, watt, watt. Italian used to be the Mexicans before Mexicans. Get the fuck out of him.

Yeah. School me. Wops. They call him Wap dagoes. Really? Yeah, without papers. And then we brought them into the folds. White people, you know, they're white people now. Black people, y'all about to be white people, too.

Just give it a few years. Just give it a few years and let there be a new minority pull up. Kayne's known. I'm way ahead of you. Been there. Done that. That's wild. I didn't know that without papers.

Wop, Wop, Wap, Wap. Wop, wop, wop. Yeah, he's a wop without papers. You're going to talk into the microphone, or you're just going to just sit there? I mean, this makes no sense. Talking into that microphone. The mic is behind her for no goddamn reason.

Yeah. What point does that make? Come on, yo. Let's do it. No, no, no, no. Get in here. Let's talk about this. Damn it, Taylor.

Taylor. Well, wait, I want to know about your mother's day before you are going. Oh, your first mother's day. Oh, how was my first mother's day? Like, with my wife. It was, honestly, I'm glad you recognizing who the real mom is in the fucking relationship. Thank you. About time.

You know what I mean? Thank you. What, whack, whack, whack, whack. You're not what I'm saying? The daddy and the mama. Back. Caitlin, nigger. What's happening?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Big Caitlin energy over here. What's up? Okay. What's happening? Caitlin.

What's up? It's not. It's still about his wife. We had a great time. We had a great time. at a great time. We did some cool fun stuff. It's, it's tricky because I think your first Mother's Day, and I can't speak for all moms, they're not really ready to leave the baby just yet. So doing things is like, you're going to dinner, but you still want to come back. Or you're

going to lunch. You still want to come back and be with her. We went and got like some massages and did a little like a bathhouse thing, but, you know, she wants to come back immediately. So we're not at that point where they're looking for the break. I think your wife's probably at the point where it's like definitely wants to break. You got to hold it. You got to be mommy on Mother's Day. And I feel so hypocritical doing that. Wait, why? Because honestly, on Mother's Day,

it's a day where you give your wife a break, right? Like, you hear a lot of women's saying, I just want to break. I just want to be able to go just do something by myself or just be left alone, yada, yada, yada. So when you're doing that, all you're sitting there thinking is, why don't I do this all the time?

Why don't I take care of these children? Yes. I got to take care of these kids? I got to take care of these kids. Like, why don't I do this more often? So that's really what it is. You should find ways all the time to make every day, you know, feel like Mother's Day. My kids are cool, though.

Like, you know, I got three young ones, the 15-year-old. She's off to the races on her own. But then it's the 8-year-old, the 5-year-old, the 2-year-old. They're not really hard to deal with. You know what I mean? Two-year-old isn't tricky? Nah, not mine. It's just about they want what they want, and they can tell you what they want.

Right. hey diaper change the diaper you know food cool you know like so it's not difficult it's just that you just have to us guys like we really like doing nothing and that's what our wives want to do there's nothing nothing see do you believe that

or do you believe that they think they want to do that and the second they do it they're like uh I don't like this I need things to do I think women need constant distraction they're like built for multitasking so if they can't do anything they freak out Whereas we're not built for multitasking. We're built for do one task and then chill the fuck out.

The worst thing of men, we're not the worst thing. What men, what we like to resort to is, what, ask your mother. Ask your mother. So when. Because we don't want to deal with her ass too. That's right. When mothers are having a break. Yeah.

Now I got a deal with it. I'm just trying to lay here and watch the game. Exactly. You know, daddy, I don't want a cracker. And whatever I do, she's going to disagree with anyway. Exactly. I'm to tell you, listen. Now she angry at both of us.

by two-year-old, she wants a cracker, I already know what to do. I'll go get like five or six of them, put them on a plate, just sit on the floor as I'm watching the game. And it's five minutes later. Daddy, I want more crackers.

I'm like, there's no way she ate all them goddamn crackers. Crackers gone. Wow. Devoured. So that's the, it's those little constant having to get up, never being able to actually just sit and relax.

That's what your wife actually wants. Yes. That's what she wants. When she says she needs a break, That's what she means. But she just wants that for a day. Why don't you just grab the box so you don't have to keep getting up? Because I don't want my daughter to be fat.

Yeah. You don't have to say yes all the time. To give her a whole box, a crackers? No, I'm saying when you know she's going to want more. Is that what used to happen to you? Tell her that what happened. But I'm saying, you're saying you don't want to get back up. Did you get her more crackers?

Yes. Okay, so why you just grab the box? No, because if she sees the whole box and she's going to want the whole box. That is fast. Or just hide the box. Where? You're looking real difficult. that it needs to be.

That's a very lesbian term. They're not like us. Don't be using lesbian terms talking about my little daughter, yo. You never know. Hide the box. That's what, that's what lesbians who haven't told their parents. Being her crackers, bro, she's going to be a lesbian, dana white girl. You better be dancing.

You better be careful, yo. I'm telling you, you better be careful now. Salute the Kendrick, though, number one song in the country would not like us. Whap, quap, wap. The battle is officially over. We already knew it was. We knew it was when, first of all, we do it was when we heard, Heart Part 6.

We knew it was over. And then Top Dogg said it was over. And then Drake Albutch said it was over this weekend, too. But this is a great end to it. Not like us, number one, euphoria number three. Family Matters was up there. Drake's record as well. Great ending to an epic rap feud.

Now, when the dust settles, all we're left with is pedophile and wife be the allegations. I didn't even see the white beater shit sticking, to be honest with you. I like because the I think the pedophile one is so absurd like I don't think anybody really believes Big jokers

That's all it was Kendrick could just drop Every time Drake would drop a little choker Kendrick would come with a big joke He'll go further But no here's the thing I think the thing about the pedophile thing why it's perfect

is because I don't think anybody really believes Drake's a pedophile and since they don't believe as a pedophile You can make jokes about it Whereas people might believe Kendrick did that And that's not funny

but someone who's not a pedophile calling them that is funny. I think that we just live in the era. Do you know what I mean? That's a great point. Because there's no victim with Drake. Like there's no person, if there was an accused, right? With Kendrick, there's an accused. There's a woman that you know exists in real life.

So making jokes about it, you're like, nah, that woman is there. She got a baby. Drake, you're just throwing a pedophile out there with no victim. There's nothing more funny than that. You know what? Because no one's hurt. You know why Andrew's point is so great.

because it's the same thing with the allegations of day free being the father. The father. Yeah. Because you're talking about actual people. So once again, there's a woman involved. So this woman is being accused of getting hit on, being accused of having babies by people's best friend. It's like, whoa. It's too hard.

You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a calculation, bro. Yeah. You know what I mean? No, you're absolutely right. You're 100% right.

And it's, I don't know, man. I just feel like Drake's going to have to fight somebody this summer. Somebody in an owl hoodie going to have to fight somebody. Yo, it's going to be people in owl hoodies fighting, bro. Because if you just got the hoodie on, if you got on any ovio paraphernalia, somebody going to call you an OVO. And then what's you going to do? What would you do that?

You got to fight. Yeah. You got to. The owl's on the line, baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to fight. Somebody call you an OVO. You can't even wear your OVO gear in peace.

Oh my God It's going to be bad this summer, yo It's going to be bad Listen Do you think it's going to affect sales Of their clothing? Doesn't even Nike collab coming out? Yeah

Oh no That has a different name And there's no owl on it Okay I don't know if it will affect sales The clothing I just know man Don't be on these college campuses

protesting an OVO gear this summer Because that's going to cause too much problems All right Okay It's going to cause too much confusion If you're on a college campus with an OVO hoodie on and you out here, pro-Palestine, but you got the Jewish dudes hoodie. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's a lot of, it's a lot of mixed. And you got to have priority. Somebody call you a O-V-ho while you're protesting. Oh, no. And then you get mad at that and decide to fight over it. You don't really care about what you're protesting about too much.

Because one shit trumped up. Exactly. It's all I'm saying. There's one issue that is way more important. It should be. You gotta lock in, baby. But they don't. Let's do some all memes necessary, Taylor game.

What do we got? That's the new R&B artist. Man, stop it. Y'all be hate. Y'all just be hate. Nah, that shit was fired. That shit is hard. That shit is hard.

That shit is hard. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? No. Nobody looks fake deep and thought better than me. You hear me? Okay. I'm not concerned I look.

Hands up. Okay? Because the fucking photographers. I hate photographers, by the way. Listen, I respect photographers and everything that y'all do, but I don't like photo shoots. I hate them. There is nothing more like in all, there's nothing more like not organic than sitting around. Someone like, put your hands like this.

Yeah, it's inauthentic. You know? Crush your hands. You know, put your hand under your chin. And I'm like, what the fuck. I'm just trying to, can we just take the pictures and get the fuck on? But did you think you looked handsome? I always think I look handsome.

I'm 90s fine. This I am sure of. This high. Like this I'm sure. It's like, like, yo, like when you think about like fine people from the 90s, the Lorenz Cates of the world, the Maris chestnuts, who else did they think it was fine in the 90s? The Tay Diggs. I'm right there with him.

No, you are. I could have been a 90s black rom-com legend. Yeah. You're the hottest, bro. Easily! You're the hottest. There's not a black movie you can name that I couldn't have been in. You're fine, bro.

I could have been in the wood. Yo, you're fine, bro. I know. I could have been in brown sugar. Yeah, you're fine. I could have been in Brown sugar. Why couldn't have been in Brown Sugar? Nah, because Tate Diggs already took over there.

Man, please. Nah, I think he would have got that. I think he would have been in a heartthrobbing. I could have been in waiting to exhale. Oh, absolutely. Come on, man. You know, waiting text hell, absolutely. Yeah.

I fit the mold. Smooth, brown, skin, bald head? Uh. What about the beard? Who needs a bid? You got pride, bro. Huh? You got power.

You's a badass mother that don't take no shit from nobody, bro. Just repeat after me, bro. You have pride. I don't know what that means. You have pride. You have power. You have power. You're a badass mother that don't take no shit from nobody.

You're cool runnings, bro. You're the fifth one in the boss, right? I could have been in cool running. You could have been a cool running. You could have been a little dread wing. You could have. That's not a black movie in the 90s I couldn't have been in. Look at that press play on that shit.

You could have been to bobsled. Look at you. This is the trailer. Look at this. You feel that you don't know what you're doing. Nah, tell you. Nah, no. That's just got it.

Tell you ain't. Tell you ain't. You know what you're doing. That should is buttery. Me and my wife laughed at this video so much. My wife was like, I would have walked up to you and said, you look like you got a lot. on your mind.

No, this is going to go down in history, this picture right here, bro. That's a photo shoot I did for the New York Times. I did an interview with the New York Times. The title is Salomey and God Won't Take Sides. Lulu, salute to Lulu. She did a great, we had a great conversation. And people, the right, did exactly what I knew they were going to do with this article. Okay, set that up.

So what did you say in the end? Yeah, I mean, I'm just talking because she was asking me about different things that I've said. and, you know, how, you know, it causes a lot of conversation. It causes backlash, yada, yada, yada. And I was just simply talking about media and the role the media plays in the current era that we're in. And I feel like I put all the blame on the media. And the reason I put all the blame on the media

because I don't believe that there's one thing that's all wrong. I don't believe that there's one thing that's all right. But everybody simply has a narrative to push. And people care more about ratings than they care about, anything motherfucking else. So I was like, yo, and I told her in this interview. I said, I'm going to do this whole interview. And I'm going to tell you that the media and, you know,

like the right will take certain narratives. And it's not like if they're lying. Because I do, I did say these things. I've done that exact thing. So they'll take that one thing and put it out. And then the left will attack that. And literally, that's what happened. I haven't seen nobody from the left attacking it, but I don't be on Twitter.

So I don't pay no attention. But what are the right take? And hold on. Let me look up some of the headlines. I love it. Let me see. I mean, listen, it's not like I didn't say these things. So I'm not going to act like I didn't say these things.

I didn't say these things. Okay. So Fox News, Charlamina God blames the media for division, says voters can choose crooks, cowards of the couch. The Daily Beast, Charlamina God won't come out for Biden after getting burned with 2020 endorsement.

Mediaite. Charlamina God won't endorse Biden after being burned in 2020. Calls Republicans crooks and Democrats cowards. New York Post, Shalomina God takes shots at the media, called Republicans crooks, and Democrats' cowards. So that's all true.

True. But I'm not taking shots at media because, as Lulu said, I am media. I'm just challenging us the media to be better. Yeah, what's wrong with that? Let's learn to be objective. Let's learn to have some nuance. If somebody on the right says something good, why can't you highlight that? If somebody on the left says something bad, why can't you highlight that? You're asking for less tribalism. Way less tribalism. I think tribalism has ruined everything because how do you know who's being honest? They're not being honest. Isn't that fucked up, though? Everybody's just grifting. That's the thing.

Not everybody, but most people are just grifting. And right now, grifting is so easy because the internet tells you where the grifts are. Before, back in the day, being a grifter was hard.

You had to guess what the people thought. You had to write a book or you had to write an article, you do radio show, and just hope that people were into it. Right now, YouTube, the algorithm is going to tell you exactly what people want.

Twitter's going to tell you exactly what people want. And then you just form your opinions off of that, if that's all you care about. And please believe most of these motherfuckers out here, and I'm just not talking about the news. Most of these people creating content are grifties. They're not exactly,

because all they want is the attention, the money and the clicks. They don't have anything authentic that they care about. And they're not willing to lean into their authentic creations and take the hit on the views. And they won't even remotely say anything that they think is going to ruffle the feathers of their base. Everybody all of a big,

everybody knows everything about Israel pals. This conflict's been going on for 70 fucking years. You haven't heard a peep about this shit for 90% of people, right? It's not like this war just started. It's not like these circumstances have just begun, but all of a sudden, a lot of people talking about it. Why do you think that is, Charlotte?

Because it brings clicks and it brings engagement. And I'm not saying that, you know, there's not people who haven't been energized because of the images that they're seeing. I believe that there are people like that, too. Sure, but those images have existed for years. These conflicts have existed for years. It's just all the sudden, now there's a lot more.

And here's the thing. I think there are people that don't even know that this is the reason why they're doing it. They might be oblivious to their own actions. I believe that. But there are people that are looking at their numbers and going, oh, this is up? Oh, yeah, we're talking only about this right now.

There's people who don't even care about certain things depending on who said it. I literally was just having this conversation earlier because somebody sent me this video. They sent me this video of, did you see Gary? Barry owns on Shannon Sharp Show. What was you saying? I'm going to let you hear.

Let me see if I can find a clip. Yes. It says Kevin Hart can be canceled, not Kat, William, Chappelle, and Andrew Schultz. But this is not what they took from it. They sent me a tweet where somebody said that you not understand how fucking embarrassed you should be for a white man to be comfortable enough

to say this to you as a black man. And this is what it is. They don't have these corporate deals. Kevin's got to be careful. And I'm sure there's some things he wants to say. Right. But he ain't trying to mess up that check. Just like you.

You don't defend black women. You know what I mean? I'm sure like Wrangler's about to call you. John Deere. What do you want with, Alex, I know what you're on for. I need to know what you want. Maybe I'm missing it. You know, I'm not missing sensitivity over here, so I don't know.

Yeah, yeah. What are you going about? It was just a bit strong of him to say, like, you don't ever defend black women. And maybe that is the case, but for him to feel that comfortable to say that, like, it's kind of crazy. Alex Taylor, it's Gary Owens.

He's a comedian. There is nothing. First of all, the whole point of the joke is the fact that he knows it's going to make Shannon uncomfortable. Yeah. It's the same reason when I used to do

uncommon sense, Jesus Knights used to always say Shalomina God hates black women in front of crystal. Yeah. Okay? He knows what that's going to do. Or he would just tweet it out sometime.

Charlottomeda God hates black women. Did it so much to the point that motherfuckers actually started running with the narratives. Right. Okay? Yeah. But on his own show, I think Sharon Sharper could laugh and then be like, no, let's not do it. Like, say something. It's just a joke.

Who cares? Like, what does he have to do? But my point is, the person who sent that to me, right? In the group chat, somebody goes, man, stop. Right? Another guy goes, but he just giggled. And so before I said anything, he was joking. Gary funny

This is somebody else's word It's not mine Woke women souring I'm gonna say women He didn't say women He said Woke women souring on Unk

And that's cool Because they don't like none of us anyway And so I go It's a joke What was Shannon supposed to do And then I said All those woke people on Twitter Have been lost their minds

Worse people to follow or listen to But so many people care about What they think And that's why folks be on podcast and TV sounding crazy because they'd be pandering to him. And that's literally what it is. There's no reason

for that to upset anybody. You gotta know Gary Owens. Also, Gary is probably making a joke about what's happening on the internet. Yes. He's taking internet sentiment and he's just making light of it to Shannon.

He doesn't really believe it. Because who's been on Shannon's ass the past couple of weeks about not protecting black women? So, yeah, so he's just, this is Gary's way of going, hey, I'm paying attention to what's happening on the internet. I'm paying attention to your world.

It's almost his way of pat him on the back. Like, I'm not just here as somebody who's doing an interview. I'm a fan of you and what's going on in your life. And it's just, it's a good joke. And that's why I'm sure Shannon laughed because it's not just, oh, he's insulting me. He's like, oh, shit, he's been following what I was going through. But there is a little truth in the joke. No, it's not.

It's no truth in the joke. Why are there truth in the joke? Well, let's, Al, what is the truth? I just, so we don't expect everybody to be civil rights. rights activist, but Shannon isn't really the type that really stands up for social causes. So it's like, he's just like, and that's perfectly fine, but I think he's point, um, Gary was pointing that out. And there was a little truth in that. What social causes got to do with black women?

Step up for black women. I mean, he's taking a lot of heat from black women from, uh, the Amanda Seals episode. That's the only one. I'm going to say like, that's literally the only one. But what it, and, and it, and it's one person saying that. Nobody ever had that narrative about Shannon before that. Ever. Monique was just on there having a ball. Yeah. You know, and everybody was like, yo, shout out to Shannon for giving Monique a platform.

Also, when Kat Williams... When Kat Williams was talking shit about all the other comics, was there the narrative out there that Shannon doesn't stand up for Blackburn? Exactly. Like, it's just what I'm saying is like, this is a perfect example. There are groups of people on the internet, right? And their currency is a feeling

or a sentiment, right? It's not just these women who are like, you're not standing up for black women. There's tons of different people out there. And the currency is, you're not, in this specific group, it's you don't stand up for black women. There are people out there whose currency are conservatives are getting canceled. Right. That's their currency. And they wake up every morning and they go, how are conservatives getting canceled today? Fox News wakes up every morning and they're like, how can we justify our point of view, especially from the other side? Oh, the biggest guy in hip hop media is saying things that we might

agree with? Academics. You know what I'm saying? They're taking you either in context or out of context. They're like, let's go do it. Same things happen to here. There are people in there. Their currency is black women are not being stood up for. They get the most clicks.

They get the most views. They get the most money because they can monetize the videos that they put out about it. So they find the most popping podcast on a planet. They take excerpts out and they create this narrative and they cash that shit out. They go to the bank. But maybe I didn't have enough context. I thought he was getting up. at the point of just making a comparison

why Kevin Hart has to watch what he says because it's like, hey, you have a lot of big sponsors so you don't really speak out against certain issues because you don't want to alienate any community. Same way like how Drake is getting shit because he's never spoken out because he doesn't want to alienate any community. Alex, you're making sense, but the problem is Gary wasn't making sense

and he wasn't making sense on purpose because that's not a social cause. Like he was conflating two different things. That was just a joke to throw out there. He's just making it. It was a fucking grenade. Just the fuck with Shannon. You don't protect black women.

And everybody jumped. Oh, my God. Y'all jumped when y'all heard it. Because when you put, when you just stay that line, you don't protect black ones. That's it. It could have been about anything. I personally didn't know that. You see that to be right now.

Ouch. If Shannon Sharp said, man, that Caitlin Clark girl is really good. Gary could have also went, you would think she's good because you don't protect black women. Yes. It's the same joke. You don't think Angel Reese is good? Why Angel Reese can't be good, shit? Like, what the fuck?

What does that do it? Listen, Dezis was ahead of his time. Jesus was, oh my God. And I'd be like, why the fuck is Deas is saying this shit? But he was saying this shit way back when, because he knew how to get that goddamn riled up. Oh, yeah. And my dumb ass went in, like, yeah, yeah, let's do this just to make, this.

This would be fun. This would be fun. Piss Chrysula off. Yeah. Say wild, crazy shit. Like, no. No. Then that shit became real.

That's that happened. No, narratives become real. start believing this shit. He hit to it the whack, whack, blah, bro.

That's why narrative is so crazy, right? Because you build it up, right? So he said that, he said that, he say that.

I take one picture with Tommy Lauren. Oh, forget it, you're done. And put it in black and white and quote a Trevor Noah joke

putting it on Instagram. Do you see color? Game over. Shalaman ain't never been here for black women. Charlemagne don't care about black.

What the fuck? Because I took a goddamn picture and black and white and was quoting a comedian? That's why I don't Quote comments no more, y'all. Unless it's Eddie Murphy from Raw. Haas.

Ha. Half. Eddie. Eddie. But nah, narratives are ruining us, man. That's why that's why the shit that's happening with Drake is fucked up. Because there are people that want to believe it. Because the way that people's minds work is just whatever they feel, they won't confirm.

That's right. They're not looking for information. They're looking for confirmation. So if you don't want Drake to be on top and then somebody feeds you all these reasons why he shouldn't be, you know, go look and fact check because you don't want a fact check. You just want whatever you feel to be confirmed. Confirmation bias, baby. We literally live in a world of confirmation by, like, I had somebody been talking to me

all week about- Why has Drake dressed as yeat? He's going through it right now, bro. Man, Drake ain't, you think Drake bothers? Drake is absolutely bothered. I don't think. You don't think Drake is bothered? Why do you think he's bothered? Bro, he's been, he's been, Mr.

the popular guy for the past 10 years. What do you mean it's so great? Nothing's going to change. I'm just saying. What do you mean no hate is? He hasn't had this level of hate. Yes, he has. Yes, he has.

What do you tell you? Yes, he has. I don't think it's not, I mean, it's not saying it's about that. I don't think it's the level of hate has changed. I think it's the fact that his supporters, I think these are the two things. One, his supporters are like, yeah, our boy lost. And two, nobody came out to support him. No, nobody in their right mind.

There's no. There's not a human being on the planet. Trust me, when I tell you, this, Drake is going to, he's in Turkey and Kegos now, minding this goddamn business. He's going to come out with some records this summer. They're going to be jamming and everybody going to be right back on his dick. Exactly. The internet, like the algorithm, all algorithms do this.

By the way, you motherfuckers, don't act like four or five weeks ago. Y'all didn't hate Jay Cole. Remember that? Remember when it was, Jay Cole is over. He apologized. His career is done. You can never do that. as a rapper. Now, four weeks later,

Jay Cole made the right decision. He's a smart job. I think Jay Cole, he's the smartest man ever. He's the smartest person in this whole beef. Fuck these niggas in their algorithms. Right? That's what the fuck I'd be trying to tell you over and over and over.

Nobody even believes the words that are coming out of their mouth. I saw I can tell all of y'all was followers in school. None of y'all was ever cool in school. None of y'all ever created your own ways. All y'all did was followed trends because there's no way social media can influence you that easily. But that is the fact.

And that once, here's the thing, most people don't even like entertainers. Those entertainers just offer them utility. That's right. So right now, the utility that Drake is offering people is an awesome beef. And you're getting to see someone who is at the top get knocked off their pedestal, which everybody loves.

Come summer, they're going to want some songs to dance to. And you know who happens to be one of the greatest musicians ever? That half a Negro from Canada. That's right. And you know what he's going to do? he's going to put out some summer bops. And now all of a sudden, it's summer they're dancing. They don't want to hear Kendrick's thoughtful stuff about his family

and what it's like being a black man and the experiences he's gone through. They're like, no, I need ass on my waist. And you know who makes the ass on my waist shit that I fucking love? That's right. That's right. The way climate change is going is too hot for activism. It is. By the time June come around, they're going to want to be outside, half-naked, dancing,

drinking, having a good time. We also saw that Kendrick can make a bop too, so does not discredit him too much? Kendrick can make him make a bob. But you make it seem like he just going to keep talking about activism and not. No, I, Kayla, cut it out. I love Kendrick to death. But what I go? Kendrick ain't, when it comes to the bops.

No, you're right. Drake has it. And you know that. And you know what I'm just saying Kendrick made it clear too. He could do it. He could do it if you're talking about pedophilia. You know what I don't necessarily want to hear that in the club either. I love the record, by the way.

But it's about pedophilia. Yeah. We don't want to dance in that. You dancing on a grown-ass girl. Niggas are already dancing to that, though. Say again? They're already dancing. Yeah, the sea walking.

Yes. C stands for child. And by the way, they're dancing. In a lyrical battle, they're dancing on a grave. That's really what they're doing. They're dancing on a grave. It's not like they're just, you know, dancing to dance. By the way, I love the record.

I think it is fantastic. I think it's going to go down in history. It's one of the greatest disc records of all time. I remember glasses below. That's what all glasses kept saying prior to not. like us. He was like, we're getting a whole lot of music, but we ain't getting no jams yet. Meaning like we ain't get a no Vaseline. We ain't get us to hit them up. We didn't get us the ether yet. And we were from both sides. I thought it was going to be Drake first.

End up being Kendrick. All I'm simply saying is, ain't not like us. And by the way, this is the way the world works. And I really mean this and silly. This is what I talk about in my new book a lot, you know, honest with that dialine, why small talk sucks. Everything is an algorithm now. And the algorithm literally shifts every day. So the same way people act like, you might wake up on a Monday and somebody like Drake, everybody hates them. So you really think after 15 plus years

or however long it's been hundreds of millions of records sold, you think people just off Drake because of a rap feud. Are you crazy? And why? I don't think that will happen, but it's not impossible.

Because it happened to J-Rul. Stop. But he's not the same thing. It happened to J-Rill. It happened to Meek. Waino made this point and it's true. Hapenek. Meek never had it like Drake.

Yeah, we're talking about... Meek never had it like Jaru. By the way, Jaru's run was five years. Yeah, Drake's run is 15. 15. Drake has a cult-like following. The way people love these guys is way different than anybody ever loves it.

I'm saying it's very unlikely it will happen, but let's just not say it's impossible for it, not that. I mean, he needs to come with good music. There's no question that he needs to come with good music. He could do nothing. And then just tore the shit that he already got. Exactly. Drake, there's no,

Drake could walk through Manhattan right now and get mobbed. Oh, that's true. Like, what are we talking about? Like, you know, like, Drake could walk anywhere in the world right now for the most part and get mobbed, probably anywhere other than Compton.

True. You know what I'm saying? Drake could walk to the Beverly Center right now and get mobbed in L.A. Like, it's not like the love, like, don't let the internet fool you. Like, he's just having a bad moment. And it's not even really bad.

It's just that there's a certain group of people, a lot of people who, We know Kendrick won, and people are just off him right now. Yeah. And not even off him. It's just a good time to clown him is what I'm saying. I mean, I was in L.A. I did the show at Staples.

I asked the crowd. I was like, who had Kendrick went? This is L.A. Staples. Kendrick, people went crazy. Then I said, Drake. Initially, people cheered. Not as much as Kendrick, but keep in mind, we're in downtown L.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then the pro-Kendrick people started to boo Drake. But it wasn't like it was nobody. It wasn't like, no, but like, I was actually surprised how many people even in LA were like, you know why? Yeah, Drake got it. Because we paid too much attention to these. Exactly. And these have us thinking that everybody's best, there's got guys getting clans.

No. Do you walk in here right now, you have for a picture. Mm-hmm. Straight up right now. Alex would be the first one. You would? Yeah, I'm a Drake fan. Okay.

You would. I'm not swayed like that. Taylor, too. I'm not saying I won't. So that's, so you're right. But when it comes to Kendrick, don't play with my boy. That's all. You wouldn't even tell Drake you a Kendrick fan.

I bet I would. I bet I would. I bet you would. I bet you would. Why would you ask for a picture and didn't say, I'm a Kendrick fan. I hate when people do stuff like that. I don't really like you, but you know. You just said if I would do it if you dared me to.

Yeah. But why would you want a picture with drink? I never said I didn't like drink, though. Yo, people do ask for picks in weird ways, bro. I wouldn't be surprised. Like, you ever have something to be like, yo, I had no clue who you were. And then I just found you. Yeah, because I hate that.

You don't need to say that. Like, the fuck. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you got murdered by my boy Kendrick. You would say that? Oh, shit. I would ask for a picture. Oh, shit. And then if he dish you, he's wrong.

You know, you need to distract him. Okay. Killer made freestyle. Oh, God. If he was to diss her or somebody around him and say, get your stupid ass out of here. He's, he's an asshole. He's an asshole. Yeah, sure.

But I would tell him too, like, thank you for making, I'm clear, I'm sure you heard the episode. So I'm thank you for making that. Just track titled for me. He'd be like, who the fuck are you? I'm going to say, I'm Taylor May. Don't act like that because you titled your song for me. This is why, I'm telling you, man. This is why this shit, it don't even, don't even, let people think whatever it is that they think, yo.

The same way people believe what they want to believe. Let them stay in their bubbles. Echo Chamber, just don't go over there. Internet is not reality. It's not, it's absolutely positive. But it does feel like it. Even for us. I put him a picture of, I have a picture with Drake already.

And I put that up. People were telling me to take it down. No. They were. Only come as I keep us shit down. You don't think it's crazy to listen to a bunch of strangers about your life? Like, seriously. Like, you don't think it's wild to like get online and read Reddit or look at tweets or

YouTube videos and let a bunch of strangers dictate how you move. You don't think that's weird? Yeah, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't do what? Why are you even saying that? Because she just said that. A bunch of people hit her and told her to take it down. Oh.

I know you didn't take it, but the fact that you would even listen, like why? Yeah, you have to create it. And what do I always, I tell Taylor this all the time. I can tell when somebody's just been influenced by social media. Oh, dude, it's the same talking points. Same. Anytime you see people regurgitate like the same three or four talking points, you're like, oh yeah, you don't think for yourself at all.

You're just trying to fit in and you feel the trend going in this direction. You just want everybody in your community to know, hey, hey, I also agree with you. Hey, I, hey, can I still be in your group? Can I, will you guys still like me? Will you not leave me out? It's the most needy shit. But at the same time, I have empathy because not everybody has, you know, I guess not everybody has what it takes to stand on their opinion. That's right.

Most people probably just do want to fit in. And then they seek out. Yeah. And like most... It's hard being a human being, too. That's the other thing. It's hard. I'm going to tell you another word we can throw away now.

Contrary. Oh. And the reason I say we should be able to throw that word away because you're like, if you're just the person who thinks for their self and you don't go with the social media trends, they'll call you a contrary. Oh, yeah. That's how they bully you for having your own opinion. Yes.

Because they're like, hey, you better come on with this opinion. right here because nobody wants, nobody wants the outsider to succeed because it makes them look like a follower. Yes. So they're like, but if we're all followers, then hey, if we're all followers, I'm not a loser for being a follower. Yes, you are.

Yeah. And the biggest, I'm gonna say, and I've been thinking about this too, man. It's the grift though, bro. It's a grift. But people are starting to figure it out now. I feel like, I think people are starting to like learn. They're like, oh shit.

Oh, you can make money off of certain things. And there are certain opinions, and you see these certain things continue to being regurgitated, and then you see reality really not matching up. You're like, whoa, whoa, one thing is happening here. This is reality. This is what's happening in person. And then one thing's happening on the internet,

oh, this is something somebody's making money off of it. They're taking advantage of the community. You're giving people too much credit. I don't see people actually spotting that in. I think people can smell when you're not being authentic. And I think that we live in this world. I'm going to tell who I think is really fucking shit up. Hold on real quick.

You see it this, you've seen it with, literally this battle. I think this battle is like the tipping point within hip hop. Like, there's a perfect example because you saw the people, the accounts that we follow and we love that are clearly siding with Drake not being objective and just supporting Drake. Like to me, this has been like the most transparent you've ever seen it. You're like, oh wow, these people love this guy. That's their guy. They love him in the same way we love the Knicks. And they're going to ride for him to matter what. They're going to put out information that supports him and out of it. Like, to me, this is like all the conversation on the internet is.

It's like, oh, wow, those sources that we thought were going to be objective about what's happening are, are not exactly. They're staying. They're super fans of an artist that they've probably loved for years. I don't blame them for having that. But at the same time, now we have to look through the lens of the information as fans of this one guy. And I think that, sorry, I think that that's starting to happen with like all aspects of the internet. I agree with you. Happening with Ben Shapiro.

Happening with Candace Owens. People are starting to go, oh. wait a minute. You guys have something that you care about that is more important than the news of the truth. Oh, shit. And you see all this conversation right now going, I thought that when people just posted things that this was the truth, but now they're realizing people are just posting things that confirm either their feelings,

which is rare, or the feelings of the masses. Most people have opted, most people, and most people have opted for immediate ratings. impact or viewership impact over building trust. And it's very short-sighted. Short-sighted.

How do you build a real franchise on anything except trust? It's like human relationships. Like the reason we all in this room have the relationship we have is because we trust each other. Like I want to be the type of personality that my audience can trust me. Good, bad, indifferent, ugly, whatever it is, I trust that guy. to always tell me exactly what he's feeling or exactly how he's seeing. Authenticity.

People aren't doing that anymore. And I think that the reason that a lot of folks aren't able to build the audiences they want to have, like they'll look at Andrew, they'll look at me and they'll be like, why do these people have the audiences that they have? It's because we're really not trying to do anything, except for I believe, be the most authentic versions of ourselves at all time. Like, I think that is the hardest thing to do. Wake up in the morning and literally be honest.

not with other people with yourself. Yes. And that honesty with yourself changes as you change. That's right. I think that's one of the things that's been very easy for both of us to create because we are trying to be authentic. That's been like my experience. I'm sure there's been your experience throughout entertainment.

How can I be as close as I can to my authentic version of myself throughout this process? When I was broke and I had one pair of Jordans that I wear every single brilliant idiots, that was the most authentic version of myself. I'm talking about whatever. When I get a couple bucks, I'm talking about my life. having a couple bucks. I'm not trying to brag. I'm going, this is what I'm going through. These are the things I find funny about it. These are things I found stupid about. These are things I find awesome about it. I know how to lie. I don't want to create that way. It is very easy to create

through lies and pacify your audience and give your audience whatever they think they want. But I think in the long run, they resent that. It don't last. And that's why you see these, there are certain things that pop up. They're like, even like pods and shows, they pop up for a week because they're satisfying what people want for that week or two weeks. But then all of a sudden they start to trickle down. That's right. Because they just had utility for a week or two. They weren't truly giving people what they wanted.

And what I assume that is is like an authentic version of your life. Now, sometimes our lives are going to move in different directions than the people that are consuming the content. That's okay also. They can choose to go somewhere else. They can choose to find something else that they like. But I'm not going to pretend just because I'm like, oh, I need to hold on to you guys. I have to live my life. live your life as is.

And you might lose some people. And that means you're gonna. You're gonna lose some people. But maybe you get other people along the way. Right. Now I'm a fucking parent. You know what I mean? Now the conversations we have in the pot are probably going to be about our daughters.

And people are hearing you, people who can hear you stand up or hear us on the podcast. You know how many people I've heard say to me, yo, that shit Andrew said, yo, on stage, that shit he's doing now brings tears to my eyes. Like, I'm not even joking. Like, literally, like I've heard several people say that to me. That's being the true authentic version of yourself. You look crazy up there still talking about heavies. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm just, I'm just saying. I look insane still sniffing seats. Yeah. We don't do it from time to time, but it's not going to be the majority. For the culture. For the culture. You know what I mean? You got to reminisce.

For the culture. That's it. Snit my wife's seat when she get up. Yon want this? That's what you want? You know what I'm saying? Like for the coach. But you know who else I think is fucking shit up?

The highly educated. talk to me about this. I agree with you on this. The academics, the people with PhDs and doctor in front of their name because I'm learning that a lot of these people, they're not fluid in their thinking at all.

And a lot of them don't have lived experience. They only have what they've read in these books and what they've learned in these classrooms. There's an arrogance. And there's an arrogance to them. I'm a doctor. Yes. At an Ivy League institution.

Whatever I say, It must be right. Yes. You should all listen to what I'm saying. Yes. Yes. There's a very low emotional intelligence to them. And they really don't understand people.

I'm noticing. I'm not, I'm just, it's not even just people who are like, you know, major in something like, you know, African American state. I'm talking about people that are psychologists who should actually know people. I'm realizing like, oh, you don't really know people. They're also biased. They're also people. They also have a feeling inside. and they just want to confirm.

They built their whole academic career oftentimes on one theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So their whole life is dependent on this theory being correct. So they're going to fight tooth and nail for it. Yeah. Even if everybody's like, that's not really how things work. And I don't think that's going to function well in society. It doesn't matter.

They know better. And they have that hubris. They have that arrogance. They have that ego to continue to push it through. I think you're on to something big. And I think they're ruining, I think they're ruining things because they're supposed to be the expert. So if they're the ones that are actually sounding stupid to regular everyday people who have not had that level of education,

it's like, well, what type of world are we living in it? And then they're educating these young, impressionable 18-year-olds. And now these 18-year-olds are pushing these ideas on these people who are like, I don't relate to those at all. What the fuck are you talking about? Why? And there's this huge chasm, the people who are the educated, privileged elites, if you know.

And the rest of us who are like, what you're talking about, maybe make sense within like a hypothetical discussion, but doesn't actually function in society where the rest of us live. Like you're a scholar. But you think I'm dumb not for not getting it. That's right. And it's like, fuck you, dude.

Yeah, you're a scholar. Yeah, yeah. But you're not a thought leader. And the reason you're not a thought leader is because you're following these idiot's thoughts on social media. You can't tell me that you're an academic and, you know, you're at the highest levels of education. But you're following what people are saying on Reddit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're basing your fucking commentary of what people,

what bots might be saying to you on Twitter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how smart are you if you limit yourself to just this little small echo chamber of people online? Yo, get offline and go out and smell some air. Yeah. Talk to people. Add some lived experience to those book smarts.

You know what I mean? Instead of like looking at just statistics and numbers, go out here and have a conversation. Yo, we be talking about New York, right? And, you know, you live here in New York. Of course. Do you think New York is safe? Yes.

You think it's a safe place? No, well, but safe based on what I have known my whole life living here? Yes, you. You live here. Yes. Safe right now in this moment. I don't think New York is ever safe. Okay.

But it's not that different from my experience growing up. I also live in an incredibly safe area in New York. Exactly. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, I also have a very low. bar for safety. You know, I grew up as like a kid getting fucking, you know, robbed

or getting into a little, like, the experiences I had as a child are like nothing and most people have ever gone through that live in the suburbs in some comfy area. Yeah. And New York's definitely safer now than it was. Then when we were kids, absolutely. But you have older people now who say otherwise

because of things that they're seeing now. Because of the way they're seeing the city now. But they're seeing more shit because of probably social media. probably because of the news. Who knows what it is? All I'm simply saying is like you'll have people who just simply look at stats, right?

And they'll say, well, New York is one of the safest big cities in America. But does that mean it's safe? Or does that just mean crime is down from four years ago? It's true. During COVID. Like, you know what I mean? Also, I wouldn't use the words, safe. Perspective on safety is very important too.

Like, if we told women, this is the perfect example of that, about the stats thing. and why the stats might not make sense. Men get in way more physical altercations than women. It's not even close. It is way more dangerous to be a man. Walking down the street as a man is 100 times more dangerous as a woman. There's way more chance some guy's going to bump into you.

Some guys are going to try to start a fight with you far, et cetera, than a woman. That being said, if your wife or my wife or Taylor or anybody came to us and they're like, hey, as a woman, I just don't feel safe walking down the street, even though the stats don't add up, we're going, yeah, because you know at any point of time a guy might fucking grab you and drag you behind a car. They could. You saw that shit that happened in the Bronx. It was terrifying. The fuck.

So it's like the fact that those things could happen is going to play into your psychology. And if some nerd goes, well, technically, it's way more dangerous to be a man than a woman. You shouldn't feel unsafe at all. It's like, yeah, that's cute. Let me show those stats to the guy who throws a fucking belt around my neck and behind a car. That's right. So I know this sounds crazy, but sometimes the stats don't equate to what someone's lived experiences. And that's all I'm saying.

So you'll have these scholars who look at the stats and the numbers, but they'll argue with people who actually live in these cities. You know what I mean? That's the problem I think sometimes with being an academic or a scholar. It's everything that you're saying is based off data, right, and numbers and statistics. I live here. You see somebody Go argue about the

You see somebody gets snuffed on the subway Right The next day You gotta take the subway In the morning and the night What are you thinking about? You're not thinking about the

Subway You're thinking about the guy getting snuffed on the subway But I think you have to combine both Your feeling of your lived experience Plus the stats Because if you just go off Your lived experience

Or your feeling Then that's wrong No no no 1,000 Echo Chamber that you No no 1,000% I think it's I think it is a combination of both I think that's what getting to actual truth is.

But I do think what Charlotte's bringing up is like, these people are doing a disservice to what it's like to exist emotionally in an environment. Yes. For example, like, if you grow up in a rough neighborhood, you're used to some violence maybe happening around you. All of a sudden, you become a little numb to the violence. Kind of like we did growing up, like when all your friends get robbed, it's almost like a right of passage.

It's a crazy thing. Like every one of my boys got their North Face shit stolen in somewhere. And you know where not the way you're North Face. Exactly. So now, now all of a sudden, if my parents are like, do you feel unsafe? I'm like, yeah. Like, this is just what happens. It becomes the norm.

You know what I mean? When if you compared that to someone in the suburbs who never got to worry about their jacket is stolen, they'd be like, man, the city must be, I would be terrified to be in a city. The stats don't line up. And I think that's just what I imagine that's what you're trying to say. You've got to combine them. Like, and you cannot. People that have, it's hard to argue with scholars when all they keep presenting is that. They just show you this data is if the data is the whole picture.

But the data doesn't speak to what you feel emotionally. And they don't like data when it comes to things that they want to be right. So if you're having this same conversation about, let's say, black people and police brutality. Yeah. First thing that a lot of people will do is show you the numbers and they'll show you the numbers and say, hey, this isn't, this isn't even really a issue. This isn't be top of the list, you know, for black people. But you're like, no way. I've seen, we've seen George Ford.

We've seen Sandra Blaine. We've seen all of these things. It's the same scenario. But you'll have, and it happens all the time. Conservatives do this all the time. They're like, no, look at the statistics. Statistics they otherwise. But you're like, hello, McFly.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. You're showing me the statistics, right? I'm not saying you. Those conservatives are showing me statistics. But the statistics that my life is based on is right. are how many times I turn on the TV

and I see this happening to Black people. So while, let's say, for example, the TV showed the exact statistical analysis of how many Black people are getting arrested and white people or how many Black people committing crimes, white people, whatever it is. Like they actually showed it. Then we might have a more reasonable concern about these issues.

But if it skews in one direction, which I think it does, I think they have data for that where like they're way more, they show way more crimes when black people on white people on TV than they do the other way around. Oh yeah,

immediate does that. Yeah, absolutely. And why do they do it? The algorithm, right? They know what the people want. They're feeding into the fears of the people. White people, the majority, and their fear is that these dangerous black people

are going to come around them or heard them. Are they doing with pro-Palestian people now? Absolutely. So even if the data says one thing, our data, the shit we're consuming on a regular basis, tells a different narrative. And our emotions are based on the data we consume.

So show me this other bullshit data. That's cute. I've already seen this side. That's right. So don't talk to me about the data. Talk to the news corporations. Talk to these people that are disseminating this information that's creating that bias. These news corporations do not care about truth.

They care about immediate ratings. Now they care about immediate engagement on social media. That's why there is no trusted outlets. Like right now, the era we live, living, the only trusted people are going to be the personality. Like, there's not one institution you can trust for sure. But you know what's so funny? Is it like, they're all business?

You saw, you saw like independent media, right? This is my favorite. Independent media went, you can't trust the news corporations. You can't trust them because they're biased. All they do is serve their base. And they will put whatever stories out there and information out there that will serve their base. And it took independent media.

five years before all them started doing, not all them, but a lot of them started doing the exact same thing. Serving their base, finding out what their people want, continuing to. And you can look at creators online. You can look at how long they've been creating. You can go back to their early videos. And you can see what they wanted to do when they first started their career. And then you could see the moment they found the thing that got clicks and views and how quickly

they changed that algorithm. You can look at your creators because there's a timeline of it. Some of them might even delete it because they pussy. But you can look at what they wanted to do in the beginning and what happened once they got views and they start

that grift and they start eating. But people are going to figure out about, find out about the grift. I don't think so. I do, I do, Al. Al, they already started to find out. But I think there are, there must be just like two different types of people.

people that search out authenticity, and then there's people that just want confirmation. That's what it is. You know what, Alex is right. Well, both of you all are right. I have a theory on this, but go, go, go, go. The grift shifts with the win. And what I mean by that is, if you're giving people one thing, right, and people are eating it up, the moment you do something, and then you go on Reddit or you go on Twitter,

and people start challenging you on that, then you start feeding into that. So you're constantly all, it's like a restaurant, I can make, I can make whatever you want. I can make whatever you want. There's really no main dish. I can just give you, I can give you whatever you want. Like here, here, here, here. Yeah, if you have no authenticity.

That's right. So you're constantly, it's a constant grift. And that's what you've got to be wary of, those people who all they care about is the grift. That's right. But what I think will happen is I think that in that there were, there were scams that worked when we were kids. Maybe it even worked on our generation. The Nigerians.

The Nigerians had those credit card scams, right? And it worked on our generation, maybe the generation above us. The next generation became privy to it. They're like, oh, this isn't going to work. We're not going to do it. Our parents, that shit still works, but us is not going to work. And I feel like, you know how like a clickbait headlines really worked on our generation. Even maybe the generation below us, they really fucking worked.

The generation below them, I've talked to some of the younger kids, right? Like, you know, Shifty and the guys working here. they're already going into headlines assuming they're fake. So every generation starts to basically parcel through information and learn what is good and what isn't good because it's not because they want it. It's because they look stupid when they believe it. And people don't like looking stupid.

They don't like looking stupid. They believe a headline. Then they tell their friends and then the friends go, did you read the article? It actually says the exact opposite. And then they feel shame. That's right. And they feel guilt.

And then all of a sudden they're like, okay, maybe I need to start. reading headlines. Right. So you- Are reading the story. You can get them once. You can get them twice.

But those are the people who surround themselves around people who are critically thinking. I'm telling you, there's a lot of people who just want the confirmation, and then they also surround themselves around all those same types of people. That's not wrong. Neither one of you all the wrong. No one's ever going to point them out on the question. And I think that's the other thing too. That's why you just got to seek out, ideally you seek out people that have the same curiosity that you have.

that you have that have the same, like, thirst for whatever it is you want. Like, that's how I've always looked at. I'm sure you feel the same way. Just like, we always say it about brilliant idiots listeners. We say it about flagrant. It's just like, we're looking for people who like having different opinions, like having, being able to bust balls, and also like to dream. Like, these three things are really important to us.

And I think that the people that are, our, like, real hardcore base are the people who dream, the people who make fucked up jokes, and the people who are not tied to one specific opinion. That's right. And they're maybe... And willing to change their mind.

And I think casuals might pop in. Casuals might pop in. They might really like our rap discussion or something like that. But then they might be like, ah, these guys dream too much. That shit is gay. Why do these guys want to achieve all this shit?

These fucking gay dudes trying to achieve things and make things cool with their life, whatever like that. But the people that are maybe inspired by that are the ones that stick around and be like, man, these guys fucking,

they just create some cool shit. They don't want to make cool things. I like that. That makes me go. So I think at the end of the day, it's like, well, take the casuals when we offer you utility, enjoy us,

listen to what we do. But the core has to have those three things. We are who we say we are. Brilliant. That's it. Like, that's it. I'm not an expert at anything. I just got some experiences

and I share my experiences. That's it. I have some feelings. I have some opinions. I share my feelings. I share my opinions. That New York Times article was the best headline ever.

Solomon the guy won't take sides. I fight myself every day to not be on either side because it's just impossible. Imagine someone trying to make you take a side. Like, how fucking... Yo. How stupid is that?

It's wild! You're basically going, yeah, we're not authentic. But it's better to be inauthentic on this side. No, man. In the middle is usually where the truth is. Yeah, we don't think for ourselves. Hey, come over, but not thinking for yourself on this side is better.

It's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm telling you, the truth is usually in the middle. It's not black, it's not white. It's always a shade of gray where you can get that real honest, authentic conversation. Yeah. Hezzi, we got church announcements? Church announcements?

Yes, I'll be in Abu Dhabi next week, Wednesday, for the Abu Dhabi Comedy Week, man. that's going to be crazy. And so I'll see you guys there at Tejahara. Once again, thank you guys for having me back. Hopefully, you're not bringing me there to arrest me for what I said last time. I just thought about that. I love Bobbara. I didn't think that, yeah, that might happen.

Okay. So I'll see you guys there. And then we'll see you out in the Palm Springs area. We got a show out there and then Vegas. So thank you all so much. So, D-Andrewshelts.com for more shows and tickets and all that stuff. Thank you. Listen, for me, man, my new book, Get On Us and Dialying, Why Small Talk Sucks. It'll be out next week. May 21st. I got a lot of dates that I'll be doing, man. May 21st, I'll be doing a premiere live signing.

That's just some online stuff that I'll be signing books with Premier. May 22nd, I'll be at the Barnes & Noble, 5th Avenue at 1 p.m. and then I'll be at the Barnes and Noble in Paramus, New Jersey at 5 p.m. on May 22nd. May 23rd, I'll be at the Green Street Friends School with Uncle Bobby's Coffee and Books at 7 p.m. in May 25th, I'll be in Coral Gables, Florida at Books at 2 p.m. May 29th, I'll be at Charleston Music Hall in Charleston, South Carolina with Blue Bicycle Books at 7 p.m. May 30th, I'll be in Decatur, Georgia at First Baptist Church with Eagles. I Bookshop. June 4th, I'll be at the Ark, and I'll have books for sale at the Ark, courtesy of Mahogany Books in D.C. at 7 p.m. at June 6th, I'm back in New York at the Strand Bookstore in New York City at 7 p.m. June 8th, at 2 p.m. I'll be at Books a Million in Arundell Mills in Hanover, Maryland. And June 13th, I'll be at the Barnes & Noble's Northwest in Las Vegas, Nevada,

at 7 p.m. And on June 14th, I'll be at the Barnes & Noble at the Grove in L.A. at 7 p.m. So go to why smalltalk sucks. dot com for all of those ticket details and to get your tickets to come to those events. I'll be signing

books, taking pictures, all of that good stuff. You know another good book I'm reading right now, man? Bill Maher's book. What this comedian said, will shock you. Oh, really? Yeah, I fuck with Bill. I mean, I watch Bill Maher every Friday, but I'm really enjoying his book because he's just another person who literally you know,

rails against the algorithm. You know what I mean? Like he goes hard at trying to not be on either side about anything, just wanting to see things objectively. And by the way, his opinions are his opinions.

It's like our opinions are our opinions. But at least he tries to see things from all angles. Yeah, credit for him. Before he gets to whatever opinion he gets to. Yeah, he deserves credit for that, especially because he's been doing it for so long. So you've seen, like, politics change?

Yep. while his show was still running. In other words, he looks as if he's one guy and then politics change in terms of what the party cares about and now he gets positioned as the other guy. And it's like, I don't know, maybe he's always been that guy and what the political parties care about has shifted.

Well, he talks about that in the book. And if you hear a lot of people in politics talk, that's what they say. They're like, yo, the way liberal sound now is how Republicans sounded in the 90s. Yeah. You know? Policing language.

Yes. Policing language. No, no, no. I'm sitting around. The way Republicans sound now is how liberals sounded in the 90s. And Bill Maher talks about in his book how they used to be the fun party. But now they're the prudes almost. Well, they're both switched.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Because remember Republicans back in the day were like, rappers, don't say those bad words. And now Democrats are like, don't say the bad words. And Republicans are like, yo, free speech, say whatever you want. That's right.

So it's clear that the parties' interests have changed over years. And if you're somebody whose core identity hasn't changed, naturally, you're going to feel a shift within those parties. That's right. Taylor, what else we got, Taylor?

Who's another bad chick? Ooh. Meek living his best life, man. I don't know what island meek on, but Meek having a good time. Yo, don't even. That's why I don't understand why meke is even remote.

Well, what island? I don't know what Al and Meek is on. Oh, I think you said, I don't know what Al and Meek are on. Oh, damn. I was like, yo, nah, because you've been shooting. I got PTSD, yeah. You'll be shooting now. I was like, Envy just screamed out early.

I don't got an owl tattoo on my ass. Now I want to see your ass. Proof it. Yeah. I don't understand why you would just yell that out. But Meek is clearly having a good time. That's why I don't understand why yesterday he just decided to go off. And go off on 50 cents.

Like, there was no need to come to the defense of King Combs because, number one, King Combs knew what he was doing when he put that record out. Now, when I heard the record, I didn't hear King Combs dissing 50 cents. I still haven't caught that reference. I don't hear it, you know. But everybody's saying that they feel like he's dissing 50 because, you know, he said anybody scream,

no ditty at me. Basically, it's going to be an issue. Bro, that's all people going to be saying you awesome. And they definitely are going to be saying it to you more now because you told him that they're not going to say it. Why is the kid trying to be tough about this? That's never going to go well. Can we stop saying he's a kid, too?

How old is he? He's 20 fucking six. Oh, okay. But still, why be tough about it? I'm with you. That's like all the kids, like T.I. Sun, Diddy's son. I guess you're right. Maybe there is this need to, like, prove yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. You grew up, you know, you grew up close to people who did come from the streets, but you're not from the streets. and you were probably always treated as such. So maybe you felt this need to prove, you know, like, hey, I am, I am just as tough as you guys. I will do it.

And the kid might be tough. I don't know. But the way that it's going to be perceived online is always, here is this rich kid trying to be something he's not. And by the way, like I said, I don't think that it was a 50 cent disc, but I can tell you one thing, King Combs. If I can give you one piece of advice, and maybe it's a piece of advice that your daddy should have gave you,

leave 50 cents. Oh, my God. Don't do it. It's almost like one of the worst pieces of advice anybody's, like, Diddy probably ever gave his kids can't stop, won't stop. Because sometimes you got to know when to fucking stop. And you, like, there's no, like, don't even,

if I'm Diddy and I hear this song, I'm like, nah, we're not putting that out, son. First of all, number one, you said, the feds, the feds, they should have checked the second house, the one next door, we own that one too. Stupid. Why even put that out there, number one? Number two, things are quiet.

Same thing with me. Meek, things are quiet. And I know you may not give a fuck, but why fuck up that tree when you know that tree going to fall on you? Why stir up that hornet's nest? Leave it alone. 50 wasn't bothering nobody. 50's at home, minding his business.

And here comes King Combs with a record. And now when 50 Cent gets to doing what 50 Cent does, everybody's, I can't believe you'd be picking on a little boy. He's 26. you would pull your pistol on that little boy if he came at you with some tough shit and you wouldn't think twice about it. That is a good point out, yo.

Yeah, 26 years old, yeah, yeah. You could get made up. Yeah. Cut it out, man. But that is crazy. We all thought that he was a teenager still. Yeah, he looks pretty young. I guess he does look young.

But he takes a little shot at 50. What does he say? Like, he says, like, you're mad that we had your girl. We stretched her out or some shit. What was the line that he used? but he's kind of referring to Did he's, I mean, 15th's baby mom. Dang. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's do some ask you, an idiot's Taylor. That's not good, my friend. No, that's never good. That's never good. That's not good share? No, I mean, after. Let's do some asking idiots, Taylor.

Oh, this is a good one. How do you, Oscar B. Savage on them says, how do you combat anxiety when it's at its fullest? Ah, man, Oscar B. Savage, that is such a great question. And I'll tell you something, man, that's funny that you would ask that because I've been dealing with some real, real, real, real bad anxiety the last couple of weeks. Wait, why? I don't know. That's the point.

That's the crazy part about it, right? You think it's about the book? No, I don't think it's about the book. If I had to, I haven't sat down on my therapist to get to, get to the root of it. The root of it yet. It's not the book. The only reason I suggest that is because there's a vulnerability about putting something out. And then once it's out, it's printed, it's done. There's nothing you could do

to change it. And like, to me, that could be anxiety-inducing, you know, just putting something out and being like, okay, now it's here for people to criticize or people to love or people to hate. So maybe that's something creeping up. I think, honestly, it's because I'm not fully stepping into what I know I should be stepping into. Oh, in your life, you're saying? Yeah, in my life. Do you want to share? Uh, not yet. But it's not even something to share. But it's not even something to share. is just something to do. So I just need to fully step into it. I need to fully leave one thing behind

and fully step into the next version of my life. Because, like, you know, your body can literally, you can literally feel when it's time to step into that next phase of whatever it is God has planned for you. And I haven't fully stepped into it. And all signs are right there. Like, this is what you need to be.

be doing. What are you waiting on? Stop. Nope. Stop saying it's not time. Stop telling me this not what it should be. And it's like, I got to do it. And until I do it, I'm going to keep feeling. I know I'm going to keep feeling like this. That's all of this. So it's actually a good problem to have. So to answer you a question,

Oscar B. Savage on them. How do you combat anxiety when it's at his fullest? I think that you have to really sit down with yourself and get to the source of what that anxiety is. Get to what the root of that anxiety is. You know, between that. Oh, that's hair. Yeah, you can answer for heads. He hung up? Yeah. We call him back.

See what head talking about? That sounds so great. I know, I know. Please say DJ head. You know, letty came to your show, too, yo. Yeah. You want to answer to her? You're sorry.

No, I didn't see her. But she posted something. I think it was her crew that videotaped it. Yeah, she came to your show. She texted me. But, you know, what's up? Hey, we doing the podcast, me and shows. What's up?

Oh, shit. What's up with the idiot? What? What? What? What's the word? The world famous DJ head. Pause.

Oh, yeah. Tell him he got to get over that shit. What? What? What? What? Your head? No, he tried to pause that.

I'm like, bro, it is. No, it's just the way it sounds. It was crazy. He was like, I want DJ head. So it sounds like that could be any DJ. He got to clear that up for people that may not know you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, that's crazy.

That's for show crazy. Hey, Chope, man. What's up, man? selling out the garden that's what we own. Hey man, we're doing all right, bro. You're having quite a week, too. He sold up the forum, too. We did okay.

I missed that show. You know what? I think shows don't fuck with black people when he come to LA, bro. I don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah, agreed. I'm going to get you out to the pot over. All right.

Hey, listen. Yeah, so Oscar, just get to the root of whatever it is, man, and don't lie to yourself. about whatever it is. Because we always know what's causing us the anxiety.

Even with what I said just now, I know what it is, but then I also know what's something else too. But it's nothing I want to talk about because y'all won't, I'll tell y'all after the pot.

But it's like you always know what it is. So I would just tell you, man, get to the root of what it is. Do you feel that way? I'm sure there's times where it's like, it was helpful for you to

address it in therapy. Like, sometimes I feel like I don't exactly know what it is. Um, I think for the most part, I always know what it is. Yeah, I think I do. I feel like you have an idea. You might not know the root cause, but like you have an idea of like, I, this area of my life or this thing going on is kind of giving me some tension.

So it's probably rooting from that, but I can't like, I didn't like pinpoint exactly. It is, it is funny though. Like, have you guys had moments where you felt a lot of stress? You didn't know what was causing it. and then you did something that you had to do. Like you had a big event coming up or something like that. And then immediately felt yourself be so much better. Absolutely.

Oh, that was the cause of this anxiety. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Another stuff, the one other thing that caused me anxiety is like, I don't like being anywhere I don't want to be. And so right now in this moment, tonight, I got to be somewhere. I don't necessarily want to go to.

Oh. But I have to go because Don't we talk about it? It's for somebody that I love. You know? Family member? It's a party. Yeah, she's like a family member.

So it's a party. And she don't even want to go there. So why? But it's because it's a corporate thing. So it's like one of those things where corporate through a party, you know, corporate throwing a party for this person

and none of us want to be there on a random fucking Tuesday, Tuesday night. You know? So we all got to go. and I know she don't want to go. And I guarantee, she just called me about 10 minutes ago. I guarantee when I call her back, she's going to be calling because she's like me in a lot of ways.

How can I get out of this tonight? And I'm going to tell her, simply say you don't want to go. Yeah, who is, wait, who? And you're pregnant. Oh, hilarious. Okay. And you're pregnant. Yeah, you don't have to do that.

You don't have to do things just because people want you to do things. Yeah. Okay. And they don't even want to do them either. That's it. They feel like if they don't, that they're not respecting you as a colleague. But respecting you the colleague might be. You're stressing me up.

Yeah. You see this airline? Being pregnant, that's like saying you have COVID between 20. Yeah. For real. You could use that as an excuse. Yeah, yeah. I feel good.

Yeah, I got night sickness. Give it one more, Taylor. I thought you was going to ask DJ had about some of this Kendrick stuff. But I was. I was, but I talked to him about it every day, then. What's the most real? Recent lie you told for no reason at all. Oh, I love him.

Miles McCord. What's the most recent lie you told for no reason at all? What is the most recent lie you told? Why are you looking at me smiling? Because it was about me. What was it? I'm not going to say it on here. Tell me, what was it?

I got one, I got one. What was it? What was it? Taylor, remind me refresh my memory. No. What was it? What was it? Don't worry about it, but. Your BBL?

I don't have no BBL. I don't have no BBL. You got a BBL? BBL Taylor Why are you always I'm about to go on vacation You're always fucking do something When you see Taylor post

Is that why you wearing Like big clothes to hide it? Hide white Like hide the healing part Get the fuck out of here You're like When you see Taylor posting those thirst traps Next week

Because her birthday is Thursday Doctor Miami made it Just know it Don't do that If y'bm If y'all really know what a robot It looks like Yeah you can look at me

Because I'm telling the girls are feet What's your real reason lie shows? After the Staples show, these two actors come into the green room from the show, Baby Rainier. Have you heard of this show? I heard of it. I haven't watched the show at all. I haven't watched the show at all.

Heard is fantastic. Her is great. I don't watch this. All I saw literally was like the trailer that comes on automatically while you're on Netflix. And they're in the green room. And I don't even know what to say. And I don't want to have small talk. And I'm just like, so I just, I call the woman comes up.

She's like, hey, great show. I just, and I have nothing to say. So I just look her right in your eyes, I go, you are so talented. What you did on that show was absolutely phenomenal. It was just so incredible. Well, I went on for like two minutes. I haven't seen this woman do more than 30 seconds acting in my entire life. Wow.

For what, though? That's actually the greatest line. Here's a thing. Here's a thing. She wasn't on the show. It was the agent of the girl that was on the show. Hilarious. That's not, I'll fuck out.

I'll fuck out. hilarious. I love those. I don't have, but you know what, I make it a point not to have small talks because I'll be having a real good conversation. Somebody said something to me about you Saturday that's so funny.

I'll tell you afterwards. All right, so. Tell me. Tell me. I don't think people, people don't realize Shultz be putting motherfuckers under pressure. Joe, what happened? And I was trying to explain to my wife

why that is now. And I was like, because number one, Schultz is ruthless, right? But he's smart, but he's also funny. And he has this massive audience of people that actually are influenced by him. So it's different if he says something about you because it could stick.

Uh-oh. What I say? She didn't understand why this guy said what he said yesterday. Nobody really did until we all had to explain it. And it was just like a quick brief thing. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell you. I'll tell you afterwards. All right, and then the show.

As always, if you look to this podcast, you think we're smart, You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots and don't know shit,

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