The Brilliant Idiots - FatMatic (Ft. Van Lathan)

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

This week Andrew and Charlamagne were joined by friend to the room Van Lathan, where they spoke about woman dating bus drivers, Dr, Umar forever being the GOAT, and Steph vs Lebron. Also, Taylor did not come to play this week, as she let off a nuclear weapon during the show! ************************************************** Check out Andrew Schulz www.theandrewschulz.com Stream Charlamagne "Hell of a Week" on Paramount+ Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" www.blackeffect.com/ Empty Thoughts Podcast podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/empt…ow/id1622292632 Check Out "Summer Of 85" on Audible www.audible.com/pd/Summer-of-85-A…areTest=TestShare Podcastbrilliant idiots charlamagne tha godandrew schulz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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cargo van Laiton. Oh, this got it. What? All right. Did you know, we didn't actually have that, like, health drink ad for this episode. He was like, you know, get that as the opener. You've been exaggerating, though.

I haven't seen you in person in a minute. You've been exaggerating. Yeah, like, I'm really disappointed at your weight. You act like you got back big, big, bro. Not big at all. Which I don't understand is I've lost 30 pounds since you said that. Yeah, like I'm on Manjara. Is that Ozzypic?

Yeah. So the weight's just been falling off. The diabetes thing, right? Yeah, sticking in your motherfuck. Why is it called Majara? It's two different. It's like the Pepsi and Coke of Bad Nigger shit. So it's like...

You're not fat, bro. Let it go. You gotta stop. You want to be fat so bad, bro. Let it go. So it's like, O-Tempic is one. You even described it with some shit

that makes you fat. No, but seriously, I was going to the gym and working out really super hard and, you know, I'm getting older, so the diet had to change and so I got on that

and I've been losing weight. I'm in the gym every day, though. Everybody on that shit. I know, I know Matt, you're like, I'll be seeing people and I'm like, yo, what's up, man? You know, you look good. You've been working out.

You're vegan? It's like, nah, I'm on that pin. Yeah. I'm serious. Yeah. I don't want to say no name because I'm going to say it. No, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.

One person in particular I really thought I was like happy for them and they're like, now I'm on that pen. Yeah. And I'm like, oh shit. What are the side effects though? They could be fucked up. So at first, the side effects just get nauseous and stuff. But as the, uh, the doses is gone up, you know, and they can be a little constipated. Sometimes you can get a little depressed.

Really? Yeah. But it's, but I'm used to it. What are you doing you're contemplated? Brigh. Put his thumb up his ass. I was about to ask. Hey, I was about.

No bullshit though? Normally, normally you could just like, just wait it out and then it ends up coming out. But a couple of days ago, I had this Ghost Brothers interview. And it was supposed to start at 11. What's, is that like the Black Ghostbusters

movie? The Black, you know. The Black. The Ghost Brothers? Nud. Nud. They make them. Black Ghost Brothers move?

No, they have a ghost brothers have a show where they're black guys. It's not even ghosts, it's just police they're afraid of it. They're taking over the neighborhood. Why don't we go? They're black guys and they see paranormal shit. Oh, man. And so the interview was supposed to start at 11, but I was on the toilet. And it just, it wouldn't.

And so I actually had to get something to grease it up. I had to get some coconut oil and go in there and help it move out. You did put your thumb of your ass. I had to put my thumb of my ass. God damn, man. We ain't even five minutes thing, bro. It's right. Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, hold on that.

I had to get the coconut oil. I had to get the coconut oil. I wish you had a camera on everybody here. Everybody in here looked up. Wait a minute. First of all, this is the type of shit I don't like. Everybody in here has been constipated before. I was about to say, everybody in here chame they fist up there.

Everybody here has been constipated before. Dude, that's a joke. But it wasn't going to happen. So I had to take the coconut oil, go around the edges, and it came out. And then after I looked at it, I was like, By the way, does that shit work? Can you really make your butt throw up? I don't know if that shit really worked.

Putting your finger in your butt, like how you put your finger on your throat? No, you're... Bro. Okay. What is that? I didn't think of my ass. I just made my butt throw up. If I didn't make your butt throw up.

You did make your butt throw up. You're turtle-headed, right? Your sphincter. Like, your spinker, and it's like it's poking out, and you know it's my... So you just want to... lit it. So I had to go. The crazy thing was the coconut was in the other room. So I had to like

walk. Get the fuck out. This is a true story. With it poking out? It was poking out. It was poking out, yeah. So it was poking out, but you couldn't get the whole thing out. It was too painful. Was something else in there? What? Set the fuck up. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. That's where you stop. You said way

while. You massage the edge. It's not going to be in my ass except for shit. You know what I'm saying? So, nothing else could be in it. But anyway, it worked. And since then, I've been taking Miralaxis. You just got to deal with it.

Oh, the mirror likes gets a pair of relaxing. Y'all fucking the game up for diabetics, though, man. Say again. Because the medicine has skyrocketed for actual diabetics. $1,500 a pop. Not this one. Not the Majaro. Not the Majaro.

The other one is $50, $500 a pop. Shockingly easy to get. Really? Went in there, I thought that the doctor was going to, you know, take blood and do the whole deal. He just looked at him and it's like, yeah. Yeah. And boom, $1,000, bam. Do they know what people are using it for?

Did they know people are using it to lose weight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. 100%. So when you took that shit that you had to coconut oil your ass rim for, did anything... That sounds crazy. Coconut oil your ass room sounds like oil up your ankle, let you... You know what the funny thing is?

That's crazy. Like, what's the funny thing? Bray, what's the funny thing? In years past, this is the funny thing. Brose. That's right. But that's not even how I did it. Oh, you went by like that?

I went, I went the other way. Oh, whoa. In years past. You twirked yourself? Whoa. In years past, I would have been embarrassed, but, yeah. Nick, I had the coconut oil on my ass. Why would you be embarrassed?

Don't be embarrassed. The shit came out, and then I'm like, I got to change. I got to do something different because, like, this can't happen. Yeah, you can't be coconut oil in your ass, right? And it was, like, it was all rocky when it was in the toilet. Coconut oil, your ass sounds sexy. Come on, come on. I was want to say something gay.

It's like big. That was a little Trump. I put the big Trump card down. All right. Happy to have you, though, Van. Yo, it's great, man. And it's great that you're losing weight. Yeah.

Yeah, feeling good, you look fantastic, man. Thank you. Feeling good. Lifting weights, doing the whole nine, doing it for that, you know? Yeah, we're not, with rest of peace.

Yeah, RIP, man. We're not, it doesn't, it's not lost on us that you're here, you know, the second day after the writer's strike. Clearly, you don't have anything else to do. Yo. That is a good ass point. You know what I mean?

Second day after the writer's strike. Wow. Whole town shut down, bro. Really? Fear. Fear. Fear. Palpable fear in Los Angeles.

Why? Because think about any other city that has like a major industry. That's the lifeblood of that industry. That's true. And this is like in a real way, the lifeblood of Los Angeles. Like making those types of things go. and so when there's a glitch like this, everybody gets a little bit

like impatient, like scared, because this affects everything, right? Can you explain what the strike is about and what the writers are fighting for? They want more money. I think it's specific. It's a streaming residual. Yeah.

And explain like why that's important and how the transition of streaming has kind of created. So there are a couple things and I'm not going to like, I don't want to speak too much for some of the people who could probably articulate it a little bit better,

but as television has moved, a couple of things have changed. One thing has changed is the residuals and the way that you make the money off the residuals, right? And residuals, once again, are like once a show, when an episode gets played again, beat on the same channel or other channels. You're getting a fee every single time. You get a fee every single time.

And then when things go on streaming, there's no longer that fee every single time. And then not only is there no longer that fee every single time, right? But also remember that the streaming companies are cagey with their analytics. They don't even tell you the amount of streams. Not really. So you can't even get money in the way that like artists get money on Spotify plays.

Right. Because you don't know how many plays the episodes. And I wonder about that with TV too. Do they get paid per screen on TV? No. Well, there's a way that the residuals are calculated or formulated, but with streaming it's a completely different thing. First of all, for some people that just aren't any.

They just buy it out entirely. Right. And then secondly, even it's harder to track it because like, like we all know, all of that information of all the streaming and all of that. The performance is proprietary. They don't have to share it with you. So they're trying to change that. And also there's something else with the writers rooms.

Like let's say we're all doing a show, right? We're going to have a writer's room. There might be 10 people, you know, you know, you've got been in a writers room. You might have 10 people employed on the writer's room. But now it's kind of like if we're doing a show and only the three of us want to write it, then we might do like a mini room. and that room might only be three or four people, two or three people that are going to write the entire show.

And the writers don't like that. Because the less people there are in the room, the less jobs there are for people. Yeah, and that shit has changed drastically over the past year. Like, my writer's right? I'm sorry. Did you get like a facial or something? No, why? It's amazing, right?

You look incredible. Thank you. Dr. Natasha Sandy, baby. You know what I'm saying? What's happening? You see me out here in these streets? You know what I mean? Thank you. Did you do this because Dan was coming? No, Dr. Sandy. I saw Dr. Sandy two weeks ago.

I saw Dr. Sandy two weeks ago. She gave me a little chemical feel, you know what I mean? Got my products back, you know? Do you haven't been off of them? I hadn't been off. Well, I hadn't been using them. I didn't have any. I hadn't seen her. You know what I mean, I talked to her, but I hadn't seen her. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you came in here a few episodes looking like driftwood. So it's nice that you're shining like you are today.

Like a couple episodes, I was like, man, he just stopped giving a fine. He's just going to backfond a little bit. He's going to let the new set. I didn't see my people. Salute to Dr. Natasha's saying. But man, dude, I had to, like, insult you based on that. To balance how fucking great you look today, dude. This is insane.

And I got a haircut yesterday. Thank you. But, no, you know, the writers' rooms have changed so much because, like, even with the first season of my talk show, writers room was way bigger. Yeah. Second season? Absolutely not. You know what I mean?

So you saw this coming. The thing that scares me about the writers' track this time is the language that the writers are trying to get in there about chat GPT. I told you about that. An AI. Oh, what's that? Oh.

That you can't, basically you can't have AI write shows. And they said no. No. So what does that tell you? Like, bro, that of all the stuff

that my friends in the guild have been telling me about, that's the most shocking thing. They said, hey, we want to make sure that they are guardrails against having AI write scripts.

And the fucking studio said no. You know why? because they're going to have AI right script. It's just like taxis and Uber's, bro. You know what I mean? Of course, the taxi commission was like, make Uber illegal because that's your job. Right. But there could be something that comes out and replaces.

And it's going to be Chad GPT. Now is, I mean, listen, now is a great time to strike, but it might not be a great time to strike because they take a little bit too long. You know, you get a hit show from a chat GPT, R and AI. It's a game out. Game. Y'all, that would be, y'all, that might actually, there might actually be real blood shit. in Los Angeles in some way

if they cyber all of those people do you everything in Los Angeles is affected by this the if there's less money to go around there's less money for the valets

at these restaurants there's less money for the drivers that don't have to pay people there's less money for the chefs it's all one big huge yeah you got to look at Hollywood in the same way that college towns

same thing it's just like I don't know where is Alabama where is the university Tuscaloosa. So it's like without the University of Alabama, is Tuscaloosa even a functional? No, like I'm from Baton Rouge. Without LSU?

Yeah. Like in and around a stadium, everybody who works there, everybody who sells. Tens of thousands of jobs. Tens of thousands. And then indirectly, it's all the bars. Absolutely. Like Disney World and Florida. Like I can kind of calculate that whole thing.

So it's going to be tough. And it got tough in 2007 or whatever before when it happens. It's going to be tough now. And how long will this? strike go for it? I mean, they said, I've been here in three months, but they said if it goes for three months, then that'll bring us into the fall. So things probably really won't get started back going to Hollywood until like January. But I don't, this one's going to last a long time, because I don't even see how they figure out the residuals for the screaming shit.

That's going to be, this is going to be crazy, but it's also a great opportunity. If you want to write a movie or write a TV show, there are going to be guys that are striking. Absolutely. That you would never be able to get because they're working on the high highest level TV shows highest level films. And you could be like, hey, we have three months. Do you want to build something together? Absolutely. And they might have some time for you. So there's an opportunity for writers to actually do their passion projects while they're striking. They're not allowed to write doing sag things, but you can't tell someone not to write. You could write on a project. Well, there's some stuff I'm working on right now.

Oh, they're not even. Nah, they like pencils down. Don't hit me on it. even though it's not contractually obligated it's just a few people are they are I mean people are gonna work you already know yeah yeah people people are gonna work but but I like literally we got something right now at a place and we were scrambling to get everything in place for May 1st

because after that we couldn't do nothing yeah I mean it's like that I mean I'm part of the WGA you know what I'm saying and it's like I'm trying to figure out what I'm even going to be doing because I'm supposed to do the daily show the week of May 15th oh they fucked that up But listen, we're improv, baby. We can go in there with...

And just riffed. Hey, word. Yeah. They shut the show down. I know. You're part of the WGA, GBT, GBT plus... Shut up. I voted.

I mean, I voted on whether or not the strike. And did you vote strike? Yeah. Nigger, it don't sound like you voted strike. Like, it was a little hesitation. I was saying I'm like, I'm like, you're about to get, you're about to be. I don't think that private. Public enemy number one with the whole, with the hold.

I voted. It don't seem like you voted. I won't. I won't. It's a striking January and June when I'm done doing the fucking daily show. I'm voting yes. I'll tell you this, though. This is a great, this is a great.

This is a great opportunity for podcasts. Talk to me. I'm going to tell you why. We live in an era. Usually when these strikes happen, like 2007 was like the rise of reality show TV, right? Because everybody had to go get on scripted content. and you'll probably see a lot more reality shows now but think about people like brilliant idiots

you know think about people like drink champs or you know all these places these people that already record content you're right you know what I'm saying you can license your content to these networks now if I was some of these networks that would be the smart thing to do right we give people three hours of content a week

or two hours of content a week right you take that content 22 minute shows put it on your networks same way that BET and VH1 is licensed in the breakfast club every morning. You can do the same thing with podcasts. It would make sense to me. Absolutely.

I mean, I remember back in the day, I used to watching Howard Stern show on E. Absolutely. And it was a flame thrower. It was like a 30-minute episode condensed down to the best part. That's right. Oh, that's absolutely. Just him in the thing.

Was him in the mic and then they, yeah. That's right. If you a network like Comedy Central, go get a comedy podcast. No brain. Put it on. If you're a VH1, you go get a horrible decision. it is. It's so much

content out here that they could just be licensed to put on their network. 100%. And that'll help the podcast in general. And it doesn't even need to stop the podcast. You basically go, yo, can we do a condensed version of that show? You already do. You already put it out. That's right. That's right. Eighty-five thousand and all of these different, you know.

And you don't have access to the talent. I saw something this morning where Gwynth Paltrow was doing an interview where she's talking about who was better in bed out of Ben Affleck and Brad Pitt. Like, that's the kind of content. Who podcast machine on?

She said, I think it was called her daddy. Like, and that's the type of stuff because you're going to have access to those people. That's right. I think Ben Affleck is, yeah, breaking that down. Better than Brad? Better than Brad? Yes. Why?

Brad's soft. You know what I mean? Like, Brad's a better kiss her. I think Brad's a better kiss her, but I think Ben Affleck will just, yeah, split lips. Ben Affleck is like, you know, he on Adderall and shit. Yeah, y'all get Ben Affleck too much credit. He ruined two superheroes. bro. What did you talking about? He ruined Dead Devil and

fucking Batman. Ben Affleck was bomb as Batman. Yeah, Ben Affleck was great. The movies weren't, y'all don't know old Batman. Yeah, the movies weren't good. Y'all don't know old Batman? He wasn't good. He wasn't good. No, he was nice. Do you know, what was the, it was a graphic novel by the graphic Batman novel by Frank Miller?

Frank Miller. Yeah, Dark Night Shanks. And that's, and it was phenomenal. Yeah. I actually would like, did they grade them up a little bit more? A little bit more. A little bit more. The ring Batman's then. Who's the number one Batman of all time? Christian Bell.

Christian Bell. I'm a little, I'm a Mike. Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton or Christian Bill. If we, if you really go and rewatch that old Batman. Then old school Batman was Chris Keigh. Christian Bell, Christian Bell. Ben is the worst Batman.

Nah, not to me. You're acting crazy. Who is he better than? He's better than George Clooney. Number one. He's definitely better than George Clooney. Yep. Yeah, he played in.

No, bro. You really don't be knowing what the fuck you're talking about. He ain't better than Clooney. He ain't better than Clooney. Because you know why? Fucking Clooney was in the Batcave cooking up Casamigos, bro. He's the number one Batman

of all fucking time for that and that alone. Fuck out of here. Y'all are crazy. This is fucking crazy. For no reason, yo. Let's see. Who do we got? The Twilight dude was better.

Robert Patterson definitely better than Ben. I didn't really like that. Keanu re-played Batman. When the fuck the Keanu Reeves played Batman? He played them animated. Oh. Yeah, he got. He got rid of all that.

When? Adam West. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. You know, Val Kilmer is Batman. When the fuck did Val Kilmo will play Batman? Batman forever. You didn't watch Batman.

No, I don't fuck with D.C. Yeah. Well, then what are you talking? It's the pond, bro. This is it? What the fucking me? I'm talking about. Listen, why do I got to be the one

that know what he's talking about? All these podcasts that exist out here with motherfuckers just chatting shit saying whatever. But no, Solomon got to be held to a higher standard. I want to be average. It's mediocre.

Intimpical. Like every other podcast. Okay? All right. Okay? I want Hewany K. Williams and tell me to step my fucking game up in the podcast. Tell me about Ebony. Tell me what happened with Ebony.

Gently. Yeah, tell me what happened gently with Ebony. What happened with Ebony? I really don't even know no more, man. Y'all are crazy. Because you got to go back to the original. You got to go back to what she said with Ayonla. But she had a 23-minute interview with Ayonla.

I didn't see the 23 minutes. I just saw the clip about the bus driver. Says women have off standards for men in this society, because some won't date a bus driver due to social status. I date a bus driver if he loved driving the bus. Who said that? Ayonla. Played a clip.

It's beautiful. I know that you've said that you cannot teach a man or tell a man how to be a man. So I will not ask you to indict men in this question. But I do want you to speak, Ayanla, to how women need to, I don't know, position ourselves so that we can be in our divinity, so we can have our crowns right, how we can create and not build, when some of us, quite frankly,

feel that the men that are available to us, and I'm talking about across the color spectrum, across the age spectrum, trust me, I've done them all. They are not positioned to protect nor provide because of some of the statistics we just talked about. They're not earning the incomes. They're not having the resources,

and some of them are not even showing up in the leadership. Would you date a bus driver? If he owns the bus, if he owns it. If he owns it, if he owns the bus. No, that's a problem. That's a problem. Because the standards and requisites, and I'm not talking about him laying on his sofa

playing video games all day. I'm not talking about that. But the standards and the criteria that we use to measure men is off for who we are. with them and who they are in this society. I would date a bus driver. If he loved driving the bus, if he was a man of integrity, if he was good to his mama,

if he treated me well, I would date a bus. There's only a minute and 30 seconds with that. Yeah. But what's your thoughts? I love that. I'm with you. I mean, I'm doing. I don't know.

I think what Ebony explained in that clip was her preference, and that's her preference. No, but I think it's, I think what is her name Ayala? Like, I think it's, I think it's beautiful. I think what Ayala said was great. No, I think it's beautiful. She's lying. Like, and I support her ability to lie.

Why do you think she's lying? Who loves driving the bus, Charlotte? Bus drivers. You bought the shit on, well, hold on. You bought the shit on, on, on, on everyday working class people. But here's the thing. No, her caveat was as long as he loves driving the bus. There's a million people that love driving buses.

I mean, that love their job. That love their job. That love their job. love their job but takes pride in their job. Have you ever seen a custodian that goes around the building singing and he's happy and he says hi to everybody. Folks are happy to see him when he's in all serious. You ever got on a bus with a person that's driving?

He's like, yo, I'm mad bus with a guy. He's mad, man. He's like, hey, what's up? How are you doing? I'm joking, obviously. I love that she says this and I think that that's, I think she'll have much happier relationships in her life. I genuinely believe that.

And listen, I don't want to be too personal about Ebony, but like, does Does Ebony have any kids? So it's like, I don't take advice on relationships from people who don't have relationships that I want. Huh? If you're, if you're, I have respect for Ebony, but like if I don't, if I'm a woman, I don't want to be in my 40s with no children.

She's not in her 40s. You're not in her 40s. Easy. No, no, no, no. She's in her 30s. Look. I guess what I'm trying to say is like, I'm sure there's a lot of women

that are looking at Ebony going like, well, you doing all this work searching for a not bus driver, and here you are, alone or whatever. And it's like there's a lot of women. But there's mad women who actually relate to Ebony. I'm not saying there aren't, and I think that

there are. One might be in this room, but I was done. You fall, you. Matter of fact, play this. Play this. This is what Ebony says. Play this. She got back on. And Taylor probably deleted her comment that she left on this clip. Play the clip. Play this clip, Taylor. Play the clip.

Go, you got to, yeah. Come on, Taylor. What was that, bro? Go back to the first one. Back it up, Taylor. Back it up, Taylor. So out of the 50,000-plus comments posted on social, I only saw a handful that even considered the possibility of a bus owner being a more aspirational position

and recognizing that I am actually speaking and pouring into the ascension of black men when I said what I said. But see, no, some of y'all were too busy naming and shing. shaming me personally and black women in general as undesirable gold diggers and much worse. Now, I suspect that some of y'all are the same men that were bringing home C's and D's on your report cards, only to then be cuddled by parents that said, well, that's okay, as long as you're doing your best. Well, listen, I love and believe in the excellence of black men. So no, my dear, Cs and Ds or any other form of mediocrity is not okay. No, I will not create a soft place for you or anybody that I love to fall comfortably into the bigotry of low expectations.

So I'll say one more time. There's absolutely nothing wrong with driving a bus. My mother Gloria drove one for years. But could it be that Black America has been sold a narrative of average, regular, and typical being good enough for us? Well, see, that's called white supremacy. And in this case, it takes the form of conditioning black Americans to happily accept being a permanent American underclass. But see, because I know the truth about black folk in America, no, average is not and will never be good enough for me. And the gag is, I don't think it's good enough for you either.

I got to say one thing. I've never seen this tactic used by a black person on black people. I've seen the, if you disagree with me, you racist, use on white people. And we just got to sit there like, God, damn, that's difficult. You haven't been paying the decision. We use it on each other all the time.

Yeah, but I try to stay away from you guys, you know. No, but that is a wild. Can be house with you? Yeah. That is significantly worse than what she said at first. Like, significantly worse. First of all, there's a couple of things here. And by this clip, too, because I spoke to Ebony,

she said this clip is actually four minutes. I haven't seen the four minutes. So I love Emily K. Williams. I think she's entitled to day, whoever she wants to date and have whatever standards that she wants to date. I think we have a relationship, common. This right here, though, there's a couple of things. Number one, societies are most definitely, definitely backbone by the average people. Absolutely.

That is one. Everyday working class people. Yes. And one reason why we can't seem to prioritize the middle class in America is because we're too busy demonizing what it means to be middle class. We're too busy acting as if somebody who has a job. Who do you think fought all those wars? I mean, just being for real. It's the bus drivers that fight the horse.

It's not these rich motherfuckers that she wants to date or these other people that want to date. It's the bus drivers. It's the plumbers. It's the electricians. They're out there when shit gets put. What is it? When shit gets the van.

When push comes to shove, we ask all those people that she's saying have undesirable jobs to go out there risk their fucking life so we can speak English. No, we shut the fuck up. But we don't know. But you know what the crazy thing is? We're saying that as if it's some sort of like hypothetical.

No, we just did that. Throughout the pandemic. Oh, that's facts. We just did that throughout the pandemic when what we were doing was shut down. It was the people that were going to work at takeout places, at Walmart, doctors, nurses, all of those people that became the backbone of a functioning American society. So they didn't become. They were. They already were.

But we leaned on them. And then as soon as it was over, they got fired. Forget about it. The nurses got fired about it. So just kind of after that, kind of seeing this whole narrative again, it's just like we never learned nothing. I think that the problem with the reasoning is there's a, she acts as if there's like a gate to enter the dating and that gate is financial.

Would you want your partner to make tons of money? Would I like it if my wife made $50 million a year? That would be awesome. Yeah. Right? As I'm sure she would like it if I did. Are there 10 other criteria that are actually more important to me and should be more important to you when it comes to picking a mate?

Yes. So I like the other ladies respond. Ayyanla. Ayyanla von Zahn's response, which was like if he loves driving a bus, but if he's also good to his mother, if he loves me, if he cares about me, those things are more valuable. What if he likes driving a bus because he actually likes coaching high school football? And that allows him to focus as much as he possibly can.

on those kids. He's not grading tests and doing all that other stuff. He's driving the school, driving them home, and then he's dedicating his fucking life to those kids. That's beautiful. Brum. A documentary called a counterpunch. They were talking about Chris Colbert.

The box was at 140, 147. The dude who was his coach. Brooklyn kid, isn't it? Brooklyn kid, yeah. The dude who was his coach had a day job like putting the fucking wire in the ground or whatever they do, condens, and whatever. And he would do that job

so that he could be off at 5 o'clock. so that he could then work with baby Bihap after that, and so he would have his evening's free. People have all kinds of things that they like to do. People have all kinds. Happiness is success is subjective. Success is whatever makes you happy. You know what I mean?

And I can never call somebody average, mediocre, or typical who's doing something that they love to do. Even if it doesn't make you average mediocre or typical, like if yours a human being makes you that. Even if you don't love to do it, I think what her point was, if you're not miserable doing, right? Because if you drive the bus all day long

and you're like, this fucking bus, these fucking people, I hate them. Well, you're going to bring that into your relationship. You're going to bring that home to your family. Yeah, don't date a miserable person. I agree. Right. That's what she, you know, I spoke to Ebony,

and that's what she's saying. She's saying that she is, she's trying to encourage people, especially black men to, like, just do better, basically. Like, to not just settle with, what she considered mediocre You think the black are just settling with it?

But I don't, I don't, but here's the thing. I don't even think it's a race thing. I think we're talking about good old-fashioned capitalism. Yeah, I think we're talking about the 1% and the 99%. That's what I think we're talking. People need more motivation.

I think people want to be more successful. They want to be more rich. They want to do these other things. But I think there also are people out there that really enjoy their lifestyle if that lifestyle is provided for by being a bus driver or some other job that she describes

as like mediocre or typical, but they can do these other things and live a great well-balanced life, they are happy, and there's nothing wrong with that. And honestly, a lot of girls should check that out because they're going to be way happy in that relationship. Then the billionaire that's cheating on them with fucking pussy out there in Dubai every single week.

Actually, you know what I think people need motivation to come back to the mean or to the average a little bit. I think people need motivation to put the mics down. Stop fucking rapping. Go get a trade. That's right. Become a barber. Learn how to be a mechanic.

That's right. Learn how to have a job. I think people need motivation to turn Instagram and the rest of this shit off that's not going to pop for you. And understand that you could still go to the Laker game, have a great life, send your kids to a great college and all of that. And do all of that by having a great job that might not be able to buy 50 bottles at the club. I think America has this sick obsession with celebrity. And I think celebrities, you know, sometimes overestimate their position in society. You know what I mean?

because we're not doing anything special. We are sitting here on these microphones, talking, laughing, having a good time, barely knowing what we're talking about. Do you think that we are more significant than somebody in the military? Are we more significant than law enforcement? Are we more significant than,

then, come on, stop. I'm just saying, like that engineers, architect, they're probably looking at us and be like, average motherfuckers. You know what I mean? By the way, it's definitely kids. definitely kids out there that's busting their ass in school

and they're getting seeds they're just dumb and I'm just being for real I'm just I'm just she was like as long as you worked hard there's a kid somewhere

there's a kid somewhere that busting their ass that bring home scenes I know this made surprise y'all I was never in a student I was never in a student How damn the person I know was getting D say that I was getting D say that

Excuse me, I was on the honor roll four years in high school What's high school? Shout them out so we can shut it down. Lower Mary in high school, yes. You missed an easy blob right there. No, no, no. When she said on a roll, I thought you were gone. See, see what I'm saying?

You see what I'm saying? You see that? Now, Taylor, Andrew, let me tell you something. They tell you something. Taylor. Andrew. Andrew. What I tell you something?

What I tell you something? Let me tell you something, though. I could run faster than your sperm, though. So, relax. What's a lot of that? That is funny. That is funny. That is funny.

Comedian. That is funny. You guys did not. That country had nuclear weapons. I did not. I did not. That was a good. She has every room.

She has every chair. That is funny. But did you see how he took that? That's a comic. That is funny. That's a great joke. That is a great joke. Holy shit.

It is a great joke. Taylor, you won the exchange. You don't have to be like, oh. You want it. You want it. Taylor. You can smile.

We got to have a meeting for you do stuff like that. Nobody told you to send that nuke to that country. Like that was. What the fuck? I know I was funny. I know Latinx comedian. I'd have been like,

Jesus. That shit was painful. I ain't all that was painful, but that is a phenomenal joke. That is a phenomenal show. I don't know why you hate it. Because I mean, stop. Women are never happy, bro. You already nooped them.

What happens after the nook? Nothing. What's the news? You want me to say something bad? No, no, no. No. No. It's nothing I can say.

I lost. She wrote that at the crib too. She had that one in there. That was a fucking way. She wrote that in the crowd for how long. She's getting down. She's getting down. She got the rap in her head.

That's the next time this motherfucker say something to me. The next time this thing is, I can't wait. I can't wait. Her head on. I see where they were. And she said, she's telling her. She's standing up pale of shit.

Thrile, where were you hiding that? In one of your... It's not a coincidence that the writers went on strike and tell him you got a joke. That was good. Somebody was sitting around like, you know what,

Tell, I'm tired of him getting on your ass on the podcast. Yeah. The whole cast of you got right at a minute. The whole cast of me. The whole cast of what you got for me. Come on what I'm saying. Go ahead.

Tell me what you got. I know you got. That was sensation. You crowd sourced. That was. You crowd sourced. What we're doing is we're diminishing a black woman. Why can't she come up with something great?

Why does she got to be average? Why does she got to be typical? Why can't she just come up with a great line? All right. And insult my humanity. My purpose for being on this earth. I mean, listen, man, I miss this energy. I haven't been on here in a while.

Van swat. I didn't know who was going to happen. She didn't run. She didn't. She didn't. She was violent. I was violent, I broke it. I'm broken in.

That was violent. I didn't know what's going to happen. That was violent. You did not look out. That was violent, Taylor. That was violent, bro. Teller, I'm not going to lie. I was violent.

That was violent. And now she's still mad. Diminishing a black woman. Oh, God. Come on. Teller, you already won now. You only got to do that. There was no reason to pull up that just now.

No, it was OD. Taylor, what else you have you talking about? I don't even want to talk about. Oh. You know what? We should have never spoke about this. Now, Charles Webb. Everybody is sad.

Everybody's 100. This led to violence for no reason. Chris handed us shit to wipe his ass with for no goddamn reason. Chris, like, here's your wet wipes. Jesus Christ, man. Listen, Taylor, that was phenomenal. No, that was good. Teller, that was a great joke.

This is a good one. TikTok bomb. Good segue. TikTok mom. Wait, did we finish what we were saying? I think we finished. Well, here's the thing. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

I'm discombobulated, though. I don't know. What did we, what do you mean? What's the moral of the story? I better get the canoe on. What's the moral of the stuff? What's the moral of the story? I know.

He almost said it, right? He almost said it right. What's the moral of the story with the Ebony? Coke and the oil. Oh, I do have one point. They do need to leave Ebney alone. Well, who is they? Just everybody, they was on our ass back.

No, but you can't say that. No, you can't say that. And the reason how you can't say that is, and I completely disagree with everything she said, and I think it's actually an unhealthy way of looking at things. But when you make a public statement and you're a public figure, you're opening that statement up to public criticism. It just is what it is.

There's nothing you can do about it. She has a news show, like on the grill. She got up there, she made a statement. People have the right to respond to that statement. The only thing I will say, and I said this on Breakfast Club, it's like, you know, you got to be careful about stuff like that because none of us have a career without the people.

Everyday working class people. Who do you think listen to this podcast? They listen to the podcast. They do their jobs that are mundane in nature. That's right. They're buying our books. Yes. You know what I mean?

And to everybody's point, she did say that she was talking about, she said she's not even talking about money. She's talking about skillset. She wants people to aspire to have a greater skills. She was moonwalking on that one, bro. No. It's not.

I want to uplift black men. No, you want a rich black man. That's what it is. And a lot of people want a. rich partner. There's nothing wrong with that. But there are other qualities. The problem is, this is going to sound crazy for me to say because I was raised with no religion, but like, when religion does not play a part in society and the only thing that we value is money, we start to lose the value of a person being truly good. If you grow up in religion and you see

a good man or woman, that is really valuable. Then being rich is also value. But looking at that person being like, wow, this is a good, God-fearing human who's going to treat me well and treats the people around him well, that is a great person I'd like to engage with. When religion's out the fucking way, what else are we judging by? Do you need religion? Do you need religion to respect people? You shouldn't? So, I used to think that you did

and I had a therapist and the therapist, I guess... I need one after what Taylor said. You was saying. You recommend that. That was the most violent thing ever said on this podcast. And she said to me, like, you're not the one making fun of her every fucking week. Well, I defend him. Oh, she got one for Charlotte, too.

Oh, it's probably a file in there. Time out. Now that we're on this subject, me and Taylor had this discussion last week because unlike y'all, I listened to Taylor. You know what I mean? You're going to let him do this? You can let him divide us when I'm always here for you. What jokes do you have for Charlotte?

I said, unlike y'all, I listened to Taylor. Bullshit. Everybody texts in the room. Taylor sent a bunch of texts in a group chat. I was the only person responding. By the way, still nobody has responded. No one. It's been seven days.

She said. I didn't put anyone else. I didn't say. What you said? No, that was the whole brand of this group chat. No, it wasn't. I don't think it was.

What did you say? Let me look and see. God damn it. If you say it was, I know it wasn't because you have the worst recollection of any human being I've ever known before. I got the side brilliant at his group chat. All right. Let me see.

Oh, no, you're right. It was just being show. But show him. House. Now Al's still played. Shokes never replied, right? I have them filled. Those are.

I have. I. I. Paul Taylor, because I was upset about- I was upset that she was upset. Because I never say nothing, it's always him. No, you did that last week. You walk in the room, he does a boom, boom, boom.

I know. I just laughed and gas him up. You were wrong with the fucking chair yesterday. All right, last week, shut up. Because he's funny. No, you were- I fell off the chair when you made fun of me too. Nope.

I like humor. I'm a comedian. I'm alive to shit. No, that's not why you fell off the chair. That's not why you fell off the chair. Because it shook the room when she walked in. You're crazy for you. You're saying that.

Taylor, what did I tell you? You're crazy for you. Taylor. Now Taylor, let me tell you one thing that's about to happen to you now. This guy's fucking animal. This is a double-ed sword. And now they see you can't play. What sword got one end?

What sword got one head? A katana. Oh my God. Oh my God. Like, like, now they see you can play. I'm not playing though. But you, but you know that. I know.

But you're going years off my life. Years off my life. My life is different. That was violent. I'm a different. Why was it violent? Why was violent? After all the fucking jokes, y'all say, our jokes are jolly is him.

Our jokes are jolly. Our jokes are jolly. Yes. No, we just don't. Shut up. See him? Do you see him? Do you see what I mean?

Do you see what he does? Why don't you care about my mental health when it comes to? Why don't you care about her mental health? That's a good question. That's fucked up. That's a good question. That's a good question. How the hardest bird, climb down.

Let's have the conversation. By the way, it's not just you. Because people will DM me and they'll be like, bro, you're the fat friend. I'd be like, what are you talking about? They say that about Taylor? No, no, not Taylor. Whoa.

See? What did I say last week? I told you last week. I didn't say that. You said that. I really clarified. I said. I love that.

They get a giving go. It's great. Shorameen loves mental health. But he'll be hard on your fucking mental health, but he'll be hard on your fucking mental health. Yeah. Like, you will be. Oh, yeah.

When you walk in this one, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Here the thing. Oh, yeah, get out of this one. We all go out of this one. We all, when you walk in this, if you walk in this room. Oh, he got hands out. If he's out in these room, you might be content. You might be fodder for a joke.

Did you say, continent? But y'all literally just making shit up with me. That's my point. I told Taylor's last week, Taylor, if you were really fat, we wouldn't make the joke. That's not true. I don't agree. But he's a man. You were right.

It's okay to tease fat men. What? Wait a minute, hold on now. Yeah, yeah. Hold on now. It is? Yes, you should fast shame your friends. So, so look, but what if I told y'all why I got fat again?

He knows why I got fat of you. Oh. Come on now, Ben. Don't do you. Oh, man. Why are you blaming on that? You know it's not bad. It is no.

He knows why I got fatig. Stop. Come on, man. No. Like, you know why got fat of it. You're just doing that. I swear to God. No.

You're fucking. You're pulling a Taylor right now. You're pulling to Ebony. Bro, I promise, bro. I'm pulling to Ebony. I swear, bro. Can we talk about snack shaming? The TikTok moms took her child out of the school because she got snack shame, bro.

Because the mom. This is going to come back on me in some kind of way. The mom got upset because the teacher sent the note home to her and said, you need to start feeding your kid healthier options. Oh, you can't do that. What? You can't. The teacher can't do that, brother. It was Pringles.

It depends what the snack was. Pringles. No, Pringle's not unhealthy. One juice. Pop, you can't stop! It's a kid, bro. The teacher got to stay out the motherfucker. You got a snack shame young.

How fast is the kid? That'll be in fat shame later. Nah, come on. That's facts, though. What? My mom wants to me to school with six pieces of fry chicken. God damn. In like a bag?

We had a... In like a bag? Bro. Did you bring the plate? It was like the plate? It was like a bar. It was like a bar. Was it like barbecue?

Bro, we were going to the, uh, to the school. Ain't no way. Ain't a way. I swear. Hey, y'all. Brick some napkins in here. Bro, bro. I swear, bro.

We were going to the state capital in Baton Rouge, field trip to the state capital. And like, oh, she forgot, I didn't get you any lunch, whatever was. All right, cool, cool. Before you go to school, just go do your thing. All right, 20 minutes, she fried her some chicken. I took the chicken.

I remember I was the man at the whole school, but it said a bad precedent. Nigger wanted fried chicken for lunch for the rest of his life, by the day. Oh, fuck. Yeah. You couldn't go back to regular. Couldn't go back to regular.

So I go, my mama, what we're eating is what we eating today for lunch. And every day. Every day she whipped up some different shit. Damn. Other kids was having peanut butter and jelly. I had a full fucking bowl of gumbo getting in that shit. I would say your mom loved you more than them other parents. That's fact.

My mom never made me lunch, bro. Why not? Oh, now y'all care. Now y'all care about how I was raised. To me, the teacher shouldn't be getting in the, to, To me, unless the kid, to Allison's point, if the kid is severely overweight, then that, which I don't know if I don't know the kid, but other than that, stay out. I think the teacher was being petty because the mother originally wrote a note telling the teachers they should have healthier options for the kids. So I guess maybe when the teacher looked in the bag and saw the day with Pringles.

Like, bitch, what are you talking? Exactly. No, I tell I take everything back. Exactly. Yeah, the teacher started this. The mother started. Oh, sorry, the mother started it. I take everything back.

Can we go back to some bruin idiots into some inside stuff? Okay. Taylor did text us last week, and she did say there was some things she didn't like. But can I just say one thing? The reason I didn't respond is because I thought you were only talking about him because I never say anything about you. This is such a lie. I never said anything.

If you actually go back and review the tape, I would never say something as evil and violas. I don't even do nothing. I just make sound effects like Missy Elliott. So what is the thing? So Taylor, what do they say? Well, don't day me. Don't say me. He doesn't look at him sitting back there.

First of all the destruction. He got his little panos after the snap-huss, eating a papaya on a random planet. Picking it up like that. See, me and Taylor make jokes about each other being thick because I'm thinking in her. She knows this. You know what I'm saying? You really don't let him get away with you. She knows it.

I defend you. When I defend you. I've never said that about you. I've never said that about you. Who said your fat? You don't have to say the word fat by insinuating a role and everything else like that. Stop. I'm saying you're smart.

You got on a road. You're smart. That's the honor roll. You know what makes this podcast hard? Because I'm usually used to fighting like with my hands. So now I have to actually talk. Because usually I was not to shoot out. And Taylor, let's go.

Come on. Hold on. Your words is very effective. That was worse. And you know what I told Taylor last week? I said, Taylor, I respected. I'm going to stop. But I said, you know who's not going to stop?

I said, you know who can't help themselves? The comedian in the goddamn room. You wouldn't. throw me under the butt. But I know you. That is so fucking foul. When he's the wrong heart of it. That's why she wrote the joke.

You see this? You wrote the joke because Charlemagne put it in your brain. You let him manipulate you. No. When I'm not. When I get you. When I get you. When I get you.

I'm here for you. I love you. God. He did a peace treaty with her and they turned up. And then threw me on. First of all, that's no devious. Why is that devious? That's true for devious, bro.

You cracker. Why is you at D. You're acting like a cracker. You're acting like a cracker. You're not devious. Brow, that's some white stuff. That's a part of it. I didn't even make no jokes this week.

But, but. Yes, you did. No. And it works. And it works. And it was so crazy. Because if you said anything. They were so good last week, I can remember.

Andrew hit you with the, yo, Taylor, it's, uh, I'm with you through thick and thicker. But that's different, bro, I don't know. It's the wording to me. That's what he said. No, he did say that. No, he's. Now, he was. No, I know he did.

But again. But listen. He made his jokes can get enough. He got enough last last week. So he's like, all they have the time pass on tape. They can rewind the tape. All I'm saying is. All I'm saying is my mental health matters too.

Me too. I know that. I'm with you. And I'm with you. That shit was true. That was cool. So what you all did me is not true. I've never heard a cool joke that deep.

I have never in my life. Are you serious? This gas lighting done at this level. This is the best. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not. You're experts. By the way, I didn't know, I didn't even realize that Taylor felt the way until she told me last week. Shut.

How did you think she felt, nigga? Yeah. You think she loved that. You know what I've seen her do? What? I see her. I see her. I see her.

I see her. I see her. Why do you do that? No, no, no. Why do you do that? Why do you do that? I've seen her. No.

No. No. Hold on. Hold on. Let's talk about you. Let's talk about you. What I do? Stop.

No, that's what you're not going to do. You got to try and make you seem like, I'm a bad person. No, you're not. You are a funny. But you were funny, motherfucker. But she's funny. The way you let's say, I see the, I don't know how badness if it's funny. I never get a nook like that in here.

But I've seen you let off a nuke before. That wasn't a no. She walked up to a roboat employee. No, no. After she saw the revolt employee, having a good weekend with Ditty. And she walked up to the revolt employee and she said, so how did it taste? And the revolt employee goes, what did what taste? Breakfast.

Or the bagels pretty good? No, no, no, no. Not the bagel. How did it taste? He goes, how did what taste? She said, Did he's dick. In front of the whole room. Wow.

How many nooks you got left? How many nooks you got left, Taylor? Wow. How many nooks you got left? Let's also understand something. Why? Taylor, why did you do that? That's great.

To a man? To a man. This motherfucker is. She hates men, bro. You hate men. And I can make an argument. You hate men. I can also make an argument that that was low-key homophobic.

It was. Why is that homophobic? I don't know what that's homophobic. I don't know what that's homophobic. She's inquiring about the flavor. That's all. That wasn't homophobic. Yeah, that's more of like a dietary joke.

Did he don't? Did he? Yeah, yeah. Was that hot, heavy on carb? Yeah. You should just try to get some nutrients. That was a great. What made you think that they put a million?

If you met him. What did you throw in there? What did you throw in there? I thought the name was a rock flavor. Shout out to ditty. What a coconut. Shout out the ditty. Shout out the ditty.

Shout out the Dibon. Original blue dives. I just heard. Watermelons. Shout out. A black man's dick tastes like watermel. My people. See what I'm saying?

This guy is crazy person. Shawlman is having the worst 15 minutes. Honestly, it was just a run-known joke of when he originally tried to get at me, though. See, did he tried to get at? Yes. So she clapped at him because he tried to holl at her, and she didn't like the way he tried to holl. Yeah. That's it.

I thought I was disrespectful. Whoa. Disrespect. How did he holler it to? I had a boyfriend at the time and I thought he was just being nice and just hanging like I was new to New York and everything else

and then we hung out and he was like and I had to leave and then he's like I know you're not leaving before I tasted and I felt a type of way about it because we're co-workers at the end of the day why do you think around about that shit? That's real. And then you asked her if did he taste you? This was much later. This was much later. He left. He left. He left. He left.

So you just that's what I'm trying to tell you. No, don't do that. No, no, no, no. No, no, man, don't let them fucking trick you. Do not let them fucking trick you. I just seen it in action. Over, over the years of them constantly, constantly. Don't put me in it. I defend you.

I'm always there for you. You do it. You do it. At the same time, at the same time, at the same time, you just tried to get him to tell me tell fat you. That's true. When do I tell fat Joe? No, I said he just, he just tried to get you to do one.

You could be mad at me. You could be mad at me, but don't, that man never said nothing. That is a fact. That man has never said a single thing about me. Are you serious right now? Taylor, I'm being dead serious. What is the joke? The fact that you would insult that man who has only been nice to you has only cared about him.

Are you said to be? Taylor, you need to. Taylor. Is this not the thing? What do you do when I sit down? Are you okay? Hey, hey, hold on, hold on. Are you okay?

When you sit down, I pull a chair out. You're sitting down, I always put a chair out for you. When you go to sit down, I always put a chair out for you. What's crazy is your? What's crazy is. Taylor on our way home is going to be like, yo, did I go too far? Yeah.

No, I'm not. No, I'm not. You did. You did. I've always said I'm a ticking time bomb. Stop playing with me. A ticking time bomb. Yes.

Stop playing. You never said that once on this podcast. If you had said that, stop playing with Taylor. Not laughing. I wouldn't say stop playing with Big T, but I don't want her to take it the wrong way. Not me?

I hate it. Big T. God damn it. Keep going to keep going. Keep going. He can't help. It's okay. It's okay. And you got nothing for him, yo.

It's okay. Why are you scared to him? I'm not scared to him. That's my niece. I love Taylor. And she knows that. I love Taylor more. No, but Sean, I do not like that you get defensive.

And I'm trying to tell you genuinely what I don't like. That's a problem for me. That's a problem for me too. No, she's right. And I told the only reason I got defender because I'm like, Taylor, you know I, come on. What? You know I love you. I never said that you don't.

I'm saying I don't like when you do this. In a serious way, it makes you feel not great when, yeah. Because then the joke's going to Reddit and, you know, memes and all of that. And I'm going to the stories. Y'all are the one. They're following y'all. You're okay? No, I'm not going to.

You're okay, bro. What happened? What happened? No, bro. What happens? No. No. Brum, bro.

Right. He was like, Brum Ball, don't try to bring Taylor in your world. Telly is not one of you, bro. Tail is not one of you. All right. There will not be joining the FLA.

I mean, I'm mad at him. Don't you know. Don't you daily no breath. I'll dare you. I'll dare you try to bring Taylor in you. You thought he's trying to bring Taylor in three. He tried to bring Taylor to his fool.

I hate y'all. It's true. It happens, bro. They ain't got no bills to pay, man. This shit is so stupid. I don't know why this podcast. Oh, God. Like, what is the podcast about, man?

Give me the Steve Harvey shit, man. I start swearing, yo. This shit is crazy, man. I love you, Taylor. I love you. I love you, I love you, and I hate you, Alex. I hate you don't love me the way I love you, though. I do love you, but stop playing with me.

I don't play with you. That man right there You're both guys like me Taylor's not wrong at all And the reason I know she's not wrong at all It's because No, this has been happening to me My whole life

Literally People pulling you to the side And saying you're going to fall This has been happening to me My whole life This is not new And that's what makes you an asshole Because you notice

It's just jokes among friends Even though I don't make them but you make them about me. I'm not making you the big time. This is literally been happening since high school. I mean, I'm middle school. Literally, called into the principal's office.

Oh, yeah. Leave these people alone. Which people, though? Which people were? All types of everybody. I didn't discriminate in no way to take off. No. They really wasn't.

It really truly wasn't, yo. Yeah. Yo, do you guys remember when Van tried to just equate what he goes through to what Taylor goes? Crazy as hell. nowhere. Yeah, and then they're coming after you online. Vair is an expert.

Van Rook. I mean, yeah, this is like, I'm going to put a book on this whole thing. Called fat, big and tired. Fat crazy and tired. Why are you having to put two fats in that? Why would it be fat and big? Why would it be fat and big?

Right. Like, why would it be fat and? You already got fat. Right. You don't need big. Fat big and wide as hell. Like, why would be three? I'm saying, why would it be three?

Just one fat. And back is a lot. Can somebody bring some towels and here some napkins or something? No, you got Chris got some, bro. I'm not using them wet wipes. How stupid are you to wipe wet with wet wipes? Damn, bro. Let's pay the bills, man.

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And then we got, we added another show in Reno, Temecula. We're coming out there. You guys saw that one out, man. Gary, Indiana, you guys saw that one out, man. Theandrussholst.com. Calgary, we're going to be coming there as well. and yeah, DeAndresoldt.com

we're going to be added some more days so we're getting back out on the road. I can't wait and thank you guys for being so receptive to that and spreading the word. So that really means a lot to me. Van. You got any church announcements, Van?

No. Shit coming up, TV stuff when the riot strike gets figured out. I'm just doing my same thing. Ringer. Ringerverse, higher learning. Come fuck with you. Yeah, man.

Just go pick up somewhere 85. That's the project we put out on the SBAH production. Go pick up Finding Tamika. Of course you can. Chris is your project. Next Tuesday night, Philadelphia, Brotherly Grub Cafe, 6 to 9. I'm participating in a town hall about Brotherly Love.

Mike Africa Jr. will be there. A lot of notable Philadelphians will be there. Doe. Who's hosting it? Maybe me, maybe Baba Renfro, who is one of the characters or people in the dock. So that'll be next Tuesday night. So y'all be having a discussion about some of 85. Yep, town hall meeting.

Oh, that's dope, man. Yeah, go pull up to that. make sure you get finding Tamika and that shit I don't even know if I should tell you all I'm hosting the daily show on May 15th because I don't even fucking know if that's happening as of now

it don't look like it They shut down? Yeah, all the late night shows did but John Stewart was around for the original back in the day when they had the other riders in 07

and he somehow got back on the air I don't know if he came out of pocket he just wrote it all himself he wrote it himself I don't remember but isn't he also a part of the writer's gun? Which is quite interesting because I guess the most effective way,

we got to ask John about that, but the most effective way to get the writers what they want would be for the shows to be shut down. So that is kind of- Oh, the show is shut down. Oh, no, they're doing it in solidarity. Remember, like the last time? No, I'm saying back when John did it.

So maybe he was paying his whole staff to take off, but he was still writing himself. I don't remember. By the way, I don't remember seeing this. I've been told this over the past few days that John was on. No, I remember him being on 100%. They just showed, like, his genius because he could do it by himself. Yeah.

But it is peculiar to me because it seems like it's something that John would absolutely support. Like that marginalizes the staff in a way. It makes them seem like they're not as needed. Yeah. It's just in the way that you become effective, I think, is having the network just shut down. I think he still had his writers with him. I think he was paying him out of pocket. I don't know how that shit would work.

Most of the guys are probably going to pay through it that can do that. Different people did different ways. Remember, they grow their beard out. They did let her make it out, right? Yeah. Yeah, do it. I think, look, I mean, listen, John is a fucking moral. Once in a lifetime.

I'm through this guy, so I'm sure that there was a good reason. Whatever it was made sense. You know what? You know what? Something just came across. I'm worried about Jamie. Jamie Fox. Yeah, because everybody's talking like, yeah, everybody's like pray for Fox.

And then I read the day that he's been in the hospital for three weeks. You know? Yeah. Apparently he had like a stroke. Yeah. But like it's too close to home, man. Yeah, my guy, Artemis Gordon, he put up a great post yesterday and he was just like, you know, at what point, I'm paraphrasing him, but he was like, at what point are we just going to start

celebrating people when they're here? You know what I'm saying? And then he had a picture of Jamie up and he was like, you know, yeah, I pray for Jamie. It's like, I don't know, man. I don't think Jamie is one of these guys that have been forgotten. I think Jamie is commonly brought up as the most talented. talented human being alive in entertainment. In terms of somebody who could sing, somebody who can act, somebody who can do comedy,

someone who can do impression. Like, is one of the most talented human beings ever. I don't think he is, but I don't think we know how to celebrate people anymore. I don't think we know how to revere people anymore. I think that the society that we're in is conditioned to slander. And the bigger you are, the bigger you are, the more right you are. But slander. Well, I will say is I don't know that there's been as much Jamie Fox slander.

Number one is because he's just the sweetest guy. And he doesn't have very many enemies. And he kind of keeps his private life as private as you can. You know what I mean? So I haven't heard as much slander about him. Normally when Jamie Fox's name comes up, you only hear good things around it. And we need to celebrate people more while they're here. And I think that comes in the form of support, support for what people are doing, support for what they're putting out there.

you celebrate someone. But it's not human nature every day to think about how great somebody else. Slend it is, though. No, no. Slater? No, the only place that we do it where we're comfortable doing it is sports. Every day. We don't even do it there.

Not really. Every day somebody's trying to say Jordan wasn't the greatest or LeBron wasn't the greatest. But either, but. We litigating their worst failures every single thing. No doubt. But regardless of what that conversation is, we're still saying somebody's great. Whether you think LeBron is greater or you think Michael's greater, we're not afraid to Celebrate them.

Slander is the price you pay for success. That is a fact. And that is a price that you have to be willing to pay. And you have to understand that part of success is quieting that slander and continue to put out greatness nonstop until those people that slander you look foolish. Because there will never be a time where people stop slandering you. But there will be a time where other people go, nah, you just hate you, bro. That man or that woman is doing something fire. When the last time something went viral for something good?

Like when the last time somebody said, yo, this shit is so good. Everybody got to check it out. Every single day we post it all the time. When? Tell me. Like, you talk to the, like, literally every single day we both, tell me one.

A show goes viral. Like, you got to watch this. Bro. I post a stand-up clip and it goes viral pretty much every single time. What's the last, tell me. The little girl that be, the little, uh, you see the little girl Van Van van van from Florida that'd be rapping. Everybody loves the way she rap.

I don't know who that is. Anyway, I posted the things go by, people go via for good stuff. Not like negativity. Tell me the last time something went negative. You could do as hard as an example. Hold on. Tell me the last time somebody got slanted on social media and it went crazy viral.

People get slandered. I mean, you can't win if we started the show off. That's not slander. That's not slander. So check it out. So check it out. When you're on your,

when you're on the way up, right, you remind people of who they are and their aspiration. So it's very exciting to root for you when you're going against the world. You're everybody's favorite new DJ. You're everybody's favorite morning radio when you're on the way up because they're reminding of who they are.

They want to be that morning guy. They want to do something. When you get to the top, some people you remind them of what they're not. So what they have to do to be okay inside is diminish your greatness to make them feel okay. And that's a human thing that we all do. We are all guilty of this. This is a thing that just happens. And it's our job when we're on top to be as undeniable I don't think we do that, yo. What's that? Not us, personally. We're always celebrating somebody.

I've tried my hardest to celebrate, but I know I am also guilty of the human instinct to find things that the greatest people in the world are doing and nitpick at them. And that is, I think, a natural human thing. That's why I don't want to be like, oh, these people are just haters. They're human beings, man.

And this is what we do. And now we have platforms where you can get attention for those negative opinions. The reason why TMZ works is because it fees a blood, that society at large has to bring celebrities down a peg or back to them. So when you see people that everything looks perfect, a hair is not out of place,

they're on boats that you can't go on. See when things happen to them like a DUI or when like they're cheating on somebody. Or when they go, fuck it. They're not so special. They're actually just like we are. Yep. Like they're the same way that we are.

And so when I was around the office, I would look at the stories that we would, would do and it would be like, oh, this person went to this place and did all of this stuff and then didn't leave a tip. I'd be like, well, why is that news? Like, people do that all the time. Well, this person is a celebrity. So when you see them do something like that.

Shut the fuck up, you're like. Like when you went like when you when you see that, people go, oh, okay, well, these people are fucked up too. And then it does something else that nobody ever agree with me about. it makes you feel okay for not being them. Yes. Because you would then say, I would never want to be that

if it means I had to do this. Yeah, but that's bullshit, you're right, but that's bullshit when people say that. Because people use that to justify their own, like, failures, right? Yeah, it'd be like, he's some dick,

he's in the Illuminati, you know, you know, he had to kill seven gerbils and sacrifice a... Think about that. Think about, we got to a point

with the narrative to where somebody, close to a celebrity would die and everybody would be like, sacrifice. Oh, my God. I'm like, God. Damn. Come on, man. That's easier to believe that than to believe that we're not there because of the things that we've done in our life. So the choices that you made. Exactly. Yeah, so that's kind of the way that that goes. And the reality is that, like, if you're in entertainment, you're going to fail,

you're going to do something cringy, you're going to do something not funny, you're going to do something bad constantly. You're putting out content for hours a week. There's tons of it. There's tons of opportunities to be like, oh, look at fucking Charlotte or look at fucking Shultz doing that show or look at Vand doing that shit. There's tons of it, and that's the price you pay

once you get to a certain point. Now, the question is, is that a human thing? I don't think it is, yo. My nature is not to hate. Like, I really love greatness and I love celebrating people, and I think that y'all do too.

Before the podcast started, we literally was in here talking about how funny Dave show is. And you started talking about the redhead, the Andrew Santina. It's so funny. If I'm being all the way real, though, I would say that a lot of the appeal to you that people had was that you would say stuff.

And nobody else would say. And some of those opinions, bro, were about, there were negative opinions about people. You'd have to be honest with that. It depends. Like, for example, you talk about stuff going viral. You know what went viral for the breakfast club? It's been a bunch of motherfuckers that have come to the breakfast club

and they have raps. And you be, oh, that ain't it, bro. Like, that ain't it. That was a whole thing. That's not negative, though. That's somebody rapping and me giving them their opinion in their face. Negative to me would be he raps. I act like I like it.

And then I tell everybody else, that nigga is terrible as a rapper. But do you understand what I'm saying, though? But there's ways you could have done. All I said was, nah, man. I ain't even say that's whack. I didn't even say you suck. You said that ain't it, which is the worst thing you can say. Nah, that ain't it, bro.

That's the, no, that just mean go do another one. That means don't do another one. No. You know what you're doing. No, no, no. If somebody gets on stage and does stand up, right? And you say, man, that motherfucker sucks. To me, that means he needs to quit.

It's over. But if you say, that ain't it, man. You can do a little better. There was a time. You didn't say that. That's not. You could do a little bit. Stop that.

But you know, nobody ever remembers? I also told Safari, I thought he had a hit record. People forget that. First of all, I'm not just talking about Safari. I'm talking about Safari. Machine Gun Kelly. I'll talk about Lakeith Stance.

I'm talking about I don't know what's just going on right now. Let me ask you all the questioning were any of those raps good. I mean, listen, shout out to Lekeith. What are we doing? You know who the most negative people

ever in the world are? Sports funders. They can be negative sometimes. I don't think so. I just think they're giving critical. By the way, I'm not necessarily saying that you're being negative. What I'm saying is that saying if your nature was to celebrate every time, you might have found a different way to frame.

There was no reason to celebrate that. No, no, no. Let's create this little caveat. Saying that something is negative, it's not wrong. There are tons of things that are negative. A hyper focus on only the negative, which is not necessarily what you're doing. A hyper focus on only the negative is. is a more common practice by people.

And I think that's why when people reach a certain level of success, they kind of hide in ideological support. Because being a unique thinker in a space where everybody's trying to tear you down and point out what you're doing wrong is very exhaustive. If you go, you know what?

I'm actually just a Christian guy and I have to live by all my Christian values and that is the number one thing that I'm gonna do, then the Christians got your back as long as you keep a Christian. That is human, though. And 100% because we want to be safe, right? We want the group to accept us.

And then you can do see the same thing with political ideology. You see the same thing with any identity. Any identity. But you lean and people in Hollywood do the same thing. They're like, listen, this is how I make my money. I need to have this ideological support. I believe what Hollywood believes because I want to send my kids to school and I want to keep on doing this from a career.

And I think that's what happens. And I think that people that don't do that, I don't think that you do that. I think you'll say some wild shit. You'll come on here and be like, I'm not a Democrat. That's a fucking heavy thing to say for a person of your influence. Why? Oh, come on.

I'm not a Democrat? I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Democrat. Word. Yeah, you know what I mean? We're winning guys. Oh, shut out. But I'm not like I'm saying I'm not a Democrat.

I'm a Republican. But what I mean is that what I'm saying is. But what I'm saying is not to cut you up, but was that clear about what I was saying? Yeah. And so what I'll say is. Is you're opening yourself up from criticism from, both sides when you're not just going, hey, I agree with all these ideologies.

And I really admire that. And that's something that I look up to. I think that's something you looked up to. I know that something you looked up, but we try to be it. But the cost of that is that we're open from criticism from everywhere because we don't have that one group protecting

except the people that really ride for us. And that's why the people that ride for you, when you have success, are the realest out there. Right. Because they're not riding because you're echoing beliefs they already have. They're riding through because they truly believe in you.

And that's why it's like, If anybody holds me down from back then until now or even now, I'm like the most fucking grateful because it's so easy to fall in that trap of I'm just trying to hold the prints of pissing people off accountable over here. You know, that's all I'm talking. But this is why I'm saying. But that's performative. I know.

And that's the other thing that nobody ever wants to talk about how 95% of these opinions we have about people are performative. That's why I don't think it's natural. What do you think people are doing on social media? Performing. I know. My point. So that I don't think that's nature. I think it's actually more natural to celebrate people.

But you know what happens when you do? Oh, yo, stop dick riding, y'all. Dick riding, yo. Why you on that man, dick? I love celebrating. I love celebrating, too. What I think is when we're, any time that you say something that people want to say, but they're not saying, you automatically become their mascot, no matter what it is.

You can O'D on that, though. You can. I've done that. I did that with Drake. I had an actual opinion about Drake when he first came out. Right. And then when I saw, like, oh, this shit goes. Like, people like when I fuck with Drake, you OD.

Brough, after the, bro, after, you know what I'm saying? And those people don't really fuck with you. They fuck with the person that is the mouthpiece for their opinion. Once you change your opinion and they don't like it no more, you're dead. And by the way, to your point, no, I tell you this. And I tell you why it's always better than always do what's in your heart. When those Drake ghost reference tracks came across my desk, Right?

Because people thought I hated Drake that much. Yeah. That if I give this to him, he's going to go crazy ways. I'm like, fuck with it. I ain't trying to ruin this man's career or life. I don't hate him like that, right? So, and rest of peace, Jazz Fly, you know, I've told you all this story. He told Jazz Fly, yo, and I didn't even know her and Drake was cool.

Just telling Jazz Fly like, yo, this is how I feel about this situation, blah, they blah. So then she reached out and let him know what was going on. But my point with all of that is, if I really want to, was a hater and I really didn't like him in that way, I would have ran with those reference tracks. And a lot of this stuff is broad, too, because there's a way to be effective in what it is that you're criticizing, right? If, and I learned this at TMZ, I remember back at TMZ, it's going to sound stupid, but I really learned a lesson here. Back at TMZ, when I was really a porn addict as much as I ever watched it, I realized that there was this one porn star, she was white that I liked, that

she didn't do scenes with black guys, right? Can you admit that you like the white born star? I did. I think it's had a phase, whatever. Who was it? Who was it? I'm not going to say the name now because it's like, this was what I learned.

So, like, I learned that she didn't do things with black guys. So I brought up on the show. I brought up on TMZ harbiting them with crazy. They didn't know that that was going on, right? And that's still fucked up to me, right? But that was going on so across the board and porn that there's racism and who they're doing that people was. That's racism?

If you do scenes with everybody else and you go specifically, I won't do a scene with a black man. Skating in BBC. I feel like that's racist. But the point is this. It might be safety. Word and bold. We're not safe.

This is what I learned. This is what I learned. If you want to call out the racism in the porn industry, then you call that out. And you say that there are certain performers that won't work with people. If you want to make a story, then you name one person. So in any of these situations, kind of of what I see is people's in curiousness about the actual issue that's being discussed.

Happens all the time. And they're a bit, and they're want to actually be seen. That's true. And the quickest way to be seen is not to criticize violence in rap. It's to pick one rapper and say this person is the devil. Now, we talk about this all the time and you know, I hate that shit. I hate when somebody goes after the individual and not the issue. Yeah.

I hate that shit. But the individual is the one that's actually making you feel insecure or inferior. you know, and that's why you've got to respect the motherfuckers has been on the top of the game forever. Like a dude like Drake who's been on the top of the game for 15 years has been getting this treatment for 15 years. A guy like LeBron has been the top of the game for 20 years, been getting this treatment for 20 years.

And they've both acted with incredible decorum when you think about it. It is very easy to just want to lash out on everybody. I think LeBron better than Drake. Early on, Drake definitely leased to let all that shit. Drake used to step in it a lot, but he stopped. He's been about 10 years now. It's been a while.

He hasn't, I mean, maybe behind the scenes, he might say some stuff, but in public, no. I'm just saying, to me, that's impressive because it's very easy for those guys to speak out and be justified in the things that they're saying. As far as what? Defending where they are in the game and what they've done. Like, if anybody hitting on LeBron, he could easily just be like, yo, look at me. Look at all the things I've been on top since I was in the eighth grade. Yeah, I haven't gotten trouble with nothing has happened. Like, you just need to nitpick me, you just need to take me down.

He could go on that rant, but instead, he just goes and knocks out the fucking two seed or whatever the hell it was. But that's because that's because. And notice the narrative shifting. The second he knocked out the two seed, we're all prisoners of the moment, myself included, you're like, this guy's the truth. Holy shit, he might be better. And that's what I was talking about earlier, because people expect LeBron to be LeBron, but they expect him not to say that he's LeBron. I don't think he would like me. But, no, people expect LeBron to be excellent on the battle.

basketball. Yeah, yeah. But they expect him not to say that he's excellent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. If LeBron with everybody all right. Be great. Don't brag it. You got to be great. Be great. Like, if LeBron was to say, look, like Rick James on, I'm the baddest motherfucker living. Ain't nobody ever did it like me. Think about it. I've been on top of, name somebody else ain't never been in no trouble. Name somebody else ain't ever. All of that's true. If he were to say that. I can name one right now. Who? Steph Curry. The person that nobody wants to hear next to LeBron. because it kills so many LeBron arguments. That's just a whole other debate.

Another thing. But look, LeBron has been in the spotlight a little bit longer than Steph. Oh, yeah. And the expectations were way high. Yeah, yeah. What makes LeBron so special

is that, yo, literally, like y'all said, ESPN magazine, front cover, what, ninth grade? What year was he? It was like a junior or senior? You know what I'm saying? Also, LeBron reminds everybody of what they're not.

Steph reminds everybody of what they are. Everybody thinks they could do the shit Steph does. They can't, though. They cannot. I mean, are you? No, no. No, no, but what I'm saying is his game seems more accessible to people than LeBron. You can't teach yourself to be six, nine, and handle the ball like a point guard, pass like a point guard,

shoot three, like you can't teach that. But you look at Steph and you're like, well, I'm kind of six foot, six two. I kind of got a little range. I got a crossover. You think you can do what he does. Y'all ain't paying attention then. Oh, no, you're talking about arguably you could say the greatest offensive player ever. I have Steph Perry as number two all time.

I'm not, listen, there's a, there's an argument to be made, man. Number two, all times. There's an argument to you. Can you run down your top? My top five, and this is an objective top five, Michael Jordan, Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Madden John. Interesting. Top five greatest basketball players I've ever seen in order.

That's what the group chat said this morning. A group chat. Because you said earlier, you didn't watch the game, but you said that was a fashion. You got to start coming in a warm-up. Come on. Yeah, he did. You keep doing this. That's bullshit.

That's bullshit. You do a callback to something nobody heard or saw it. Oh, I think we were recorded right now. That's all me. That's my top part. I thought we were recorded. In order of the greatest ballplayers I've seen. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, look, there are times when you watch Steph where you go, I've never seen anything like this before, so you can't get mad at it. That's what I'm saying. You can't get mad at it. I think he probably, I think LeBron will probably still have to be ahead of stuff for me just based on the accomplishments. I feel like I've seen Brown before, though. Who?

Maddie Johnson, Scotty Pippin. LeBron James is the all-time leading score in the history of the internet. So what? So what's Kareem of Ler-Jabbar? What I mean? And I hate that stat. That's the stat I hate the most because Kareem held that stat for so many years. And nobody ever was like, Kareem was the greatest of all.

I mean, old people would. Old Dijs would. But we never did that. Because we never thought that. and we will see anybody break it. So to say that he's Magic Johnson, right? Magic Johnson probably like 18, 19 points a game. And then to say, but he's also the greatest score.

Yeah, but Magic can do everything. LeBron can do everything. That's my point. That's about that I've seen. If Kareem was Christian, I think that we, he's in the top. But I think Americans were like, I ain't with all that, Jabbar. He was Christian Lou Alston-Doh. That's it.

Big Lou. That's the greatest of all time. And he loved God. Yeah. And Corrine was mean, bro. He wasn't fucking with him. That's the thing. Like, Corrine was like, he was

prickly. I just never seen anything like Steph Curry, man. I agree. I got that. That motherfucker is unbelievable. Okay, greatest offensive players of all time. Jordan? And that's Steph.

It's Steph. Yeah, Jordan, Steph. It's Jordan, Steph. And I'll be honest. Wait, if you put Steph ahead of Jordan just offensively, no, no, I think there's an argument to be made. Just offensively. We're not.

I'm not disagree. Right? I've never seen anything like him, yo. Hold on. The pressure he puts on a team. I know. We talk about 37 points a game, dog. We talk about Michael Jordan could just score.

Now, he wasn't the shooter that Steph was. But he was unstoppable, bro. Do y'all see Stefan in that game seven the other night? I get it. But the game. So we would have to, the game is. He dropped the light. I know.

Look, look, the game has changed. The pace of the. game has changed, the rules of the game have changed. Step does one thing better than anybody has ever done it before. But before we start saying that somebody was a better offensive threat than Magic Johnson. And we're talking about just office. Michael Jordan.

Oh, excuse me, the Michael Jordan. If we just talking about Michael Jordan. If we just talking about Mike. If we're talking about offense, if we're talking about offense, if we're talking about there's nothing you could do with Shaquille O'Neill at a certain point. We were talking about game-changing players a couple of weeks ago, people that we think revolutionized the game of basketball. put Shaq in there, but Andrew bought up a good point.

Like, there was only one Shaq. Nobody else could do what Shaq does because they didn't have his side. Yeah, we were talking about like a one-off, changing the way that people play. Like, in my, in my lifetime, the people that changed the way that people played, it was Alan Iverson first. Like, I literally saw a transition on the courts when I would go play pickup ball. Everybody wanted to be AI. And it was Steph Curry, man.

Those are the two biggest changes I saw in basketball. Yeah. What if I could make an argument that the most significant change in basketball was from the paint to the perimeter? And the reason why that change happened is because of Jordan. That the reason why a guy like Kevin Durant or some of the other guys that you see that have that type of size and that type of shooting ability and want to handle the ball at these different sizes, even like a Tracy McGready who came right after Mike but was still like 6'9, the reason why those guys wanted to be 94-foot players was, because Jordan was a guy who controlled a game by having a ball in his hand. But magic, though.

Magic was six-nine point guard. You have to drop it to somebody. So what I'm saying is, and I'm not saying that magic could score, I'm just saying that, like, the way the NBA to me really changed, the game moved to the perimeter because you wanted to be the guy

creating the last shot. But that's why our people, our top five was Magic, Michael, but Steph, yeah, Alan. There were guys creating that last shot before, I mean, like, Byrd would create the last shot. They would, but, like, I'm not saying, but think about it.

Jordan won without a dominant post presence. Like, he won. Michael Jordan won championships. Bill Cartwright, bro. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Faisney King, right. Why is so disrespectful?

But Jordan won without a dominant post presence. But look, I think, as far as the game now, Seth is by far the most influential player. He changed the, he didn't just change what, how guys would want to play. He changed how teams. Even when people, you're right, and even when people having this conversation about whoever wins this series between the Lakers and Warriors is the man of the generation, that's just not true. Steph Curry is, what, 15 and 8, I think, in playoffs against LeBron and 3 and 1 in NBA finals? Yeah.

What are we talking about? I think we're prisoners of the movement, and I think that if LeBron wins this series or the Lakers win the series, we go, LeBron is the fucking go. Or a lot of people will just say that. And I think if Steph wins this series and step goes on to win the championship, I think people go, you know, Steph's better than LeBron. We're prisoners in a moment. It doesn't mean that it is that way. But we can't help ourselves from doing that.

We see it after every boxing match or every MMA fight. We go, that guy's the truth. Nobody could stop them. And that's just our human instinct. We have a problem. Thank God we're not more rational. No, you're right. How awesome is it to see something and have it completely change your opinion

and then talk to your boys about it for 30 minutes? That's not what I do, though. When we get on the phone and we had these conversations, we always discuss somebody's whole totality. Because one person isn't. Huh? One person isn't discussing the whole totality. And that's what creates the dialogue.

You need one irrational thinker. That's right. You got to see the whole dick. Because sometimes the head look big. You know what I'm saying? Boom. That's it. Sometimes it's just a big ass head.

But then you blast it up. It's little. What the dick looks like, bro? You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. The shaft is gone. That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying.

I'll tell you what, though, Steph win this championship is going to get hard for a lot of people because he's stepping on a lot of goats now. Yeah. He wins, he gets a five. You know why? Say it. Say it. Say it. Say it.

You know why they don't put stuff in there now? Say it. You know what he don't put them in there. He gets the five. It's going to be tough for a lot. You know why they don't put him in there now? Colorism. They see this little light-skinned.

kid, privileged, Dale Curry's son, they don't want to give it to him. I asked Stephen A. that two years ago during COVID. I said, yo, shouldn't we be having a conversation about who was the dog, like who was the goat of the generation, whether Steph or Braun? And he said, he said it on breakfast stop.

He was like, I got to give it to Braun because the way Steph was raised. You know, a little life kid. Pull it up. Pull it up. He goes like little like skin kids. Nah, bro. Come on, Stephen A. Come on, Stephen A. That was, uh, it was during COVID. It was during COVID. But his, his, his, his,

His thought process has changed. I saw him this week saying that he's like, yeah, we got to start maybe saying Steph's the greatest point guard of all time. Oh, I think he is the greatest point guard of all time. Over magic? I mean, really.

Yes. They play different positions, but yeah, I think he's, I think he's. The way he affects the game. It's, I think he's more of a traditional point guard. Traditional point guard. Yeah, in and non-traditional in that he's six, nine. His impact was his pick.

Who magic's? Yeah. Big guys weren't allowed to handle the rock. They weren't allowed to bring it up. Oh, no. It's impact on the game, you're saying. Right. Yeah.

And Steph's impact is this big, too. When I meant impact on the game, I meant, like, the literal game he's playing. Like, the way that Steph creates absolute nightmare problems for teams defensively, it's like, it's insane with this. I just look at see how many sons you got. Now Steph got sons and daughters. And daughters, you know what I'm saying? Magic got sons. Jordan got sons, you know?

That's what I look at. AI got sons. AI got sons. He don't have my ring. He got sons. was trying to be Iverson. Man. Abison had it.

Dressing like Ivers. Everybody was trying to be obviously. Did y'all see Roy Woods White House Correspondence dinner? Yes, sir. What y'all think? I thought he,

first of all, Roy is phenomenal. We had him all flagrant talking about that whole experience. They didn't edit any of his jokes, by the way. Interesting. It was live.

They couldn't have any of it. Well, usually you give a transcript. Oh, got you, got you, got to. But, no, I thought he did a great job, man. I think that, like, I thought it was really, I thought it was cool, shouting out of his mom at the end

and shouting at his dad. and kind of bringing that whole experience. He told the funniest story. I was like, so what did your mom say afterwards? And it was like, oh, no, she left. I go, what? He goes, she had a Diana Ross conflict to get to. Hell yeah.

I was like, she didn't just stay there. So, like, be like, that was an awesome job. He was Diana, don't wait. Real black. You're right. Yeah. I don't thought it was awesome to see him up there, bro. Like, he's funny as hell to me.

And he's like, the best comics to me are relatable comics. Yeah. Comics that aren't talking over you and they're talking to you. Yeah. So it was good to see him up. And it says a lot about his star power, so I don't even know why Comedy Central is BSing with who the next host of the Daily Show should be.

It's like if Roy Wood Jr. It's a big enough star to do the White House correspondence, then why can't he host the Daily Show? Yeah, what do you wait for? He had a couple great fucking jokes, man. That NFT joke was phenomenal. Yeah, yeah. He had the other one that I, the Dominion Voting Booth show.

If you want to know what his stand-up is like, his stand-up is most similar to his Dominion voting booth joke. The other stuff, the more like kind of the way that he described, like the roasty stuff is not exactly kind of his style of stand-up, but that Dominion voting booth thing, like my, 756 million, my favorite voting booth is Dominion. Like, if you want the truth, the Dominion voted booth. Are you all ready to admit that AI is going to ruin the world?

No, no, we're good on AI. You're good? Yeah, AI's fine. You sound like Jabran saying they're good in the West. That's exactly what you said. Famous last word. The whole fucking thing came apart. What makes you so sure?

Because I'm scared of shit. Did you see the guy from Google who stepped down? He's old, bro. Because he said that he wants to tell the world about the dangers of artificial intelligence. He's old. But can I tell you why I'm scared, though? Because Hawking predicted this.

Like, it was... What is Hawking? Stephen Hawking. But Stephen Hawking was AI for the last 20 years of his life. Why did he upset at AI? Like, the only way he can communicate is AI. But you never saw Stephen Huggins sing happy birthday. You never saw that.

Black happy birthday at that. You never said, Hey, man, boy. Say it out. Yeah. What did he say, though, man? You're all going to have been provident.

If you were just told us what he said, he said in his voice, though. No. Don't disrespect my man. He talked about the dangers of AI. He said. had a couple of different things that he thought were a threat to humanity. AI, it was aliens.

It was climate. Oh, that's been coming at once. So, you know, a couple of people have looked at this. Elon Musk, I'm not a huge Elon Musk fan, but he's been disseminating emails. I had a homeboy at mine that worked at Tesla. And Elon Musk was disseminating emails about this, like, back of 2014 and stuff like that. Scroll out. It's one thing that this dude said.

But I'm not, I'm not. I'm kind of agnostic on it. I don't have like a real, I don't know much about it. But when people say, because I know mad people that say it's not that big of a deal. And when they say it's not that big of a deal, I just like, I want to like, it's a big deal. A lot of people lose jobs and it's going to be a huge transition technologically for us. I just don't have that same fear of it destroying humanity. Misinformation.

We're not going to know the difference between reality and fantasy. The lines are already blurred. Do you know now? That's my point. The lines are already blurred right now, but now they're about to be able to. obliterated. Like, it's going to be, like, imagine, like, this morning they said, uh, the Ukraine tried to do a hit on Putin.

Right? Yeah. By drone. Yeah. Imagine if you hear Putin's voice saying, I'm retaliating with a nuclear weapon. Bro, there's- You don't even have time. You don't even have time to think about it.

But you would think that the, that the government will be able to authenticate whether or not that's a valid threat. They can't authenticate none of this shit now. Chris, come on, jump on, Chris. Yeah, well, I mean, in that article, specifically, the thing that scared me is the guy compared himself to Oppenheimer, right? And Oppenheimer is the creator of the nuclear bomb. And he put himself in the same category where we unleash these things because we're scientists and when we see something interesting, we can't help ourselves. But at a

certain point, it's out of our hands. And he's like, the AI is now out of our hands the way the nuclear bomb was in that time. And that's, you know, that's the ultimate way that this can impact. And next year, doing a presidential election. More safety now than there ever been in history. No, it's not. Not on the internet? No, but less. People have died in wars because of nuclear bombs. The last two elections, we had so much misinformation. You disagree with that, Chris? More people, less people have died as a deterrent is what you're saying?

Yeah. There's been a, it's not even, it's not even, it's unquivocal fact. It's hard to disagree with that. It's unequivocal fact. There's been far less actual. You think the U.S. You think American and Soviets would have fought in the 50s if it wasn't for nuclear arms? Of course.

So you could make an argument that there's been blood spilled and proxy wars, Vietnam, that is true. Things like that, Nicaragua, Afghanistan. But like, there would have been probably to this point a major multi-theater world war had there not been mutually a short destruction.

Without a doubt. You could argue it is the greatest invention for peace in history. Shit. I can't go there. I can't go there. That's such an interesting.

It sounds crazy, but in terms of one specific thing. As long as it, until it doesn't work. Until it doesn't work. It's not going to work. You know that guy, Dr. Hinton, he said that too. He said the problem is going to be war and rumors of war. He said that in the article. He was like because of the fact that you can just mimic world leaders like it's nothing.

I read a interesting story the other day. There was a Russian general or something like that. Received an alert that this is during the missile crisis or whatever that America had sent nukes over to Russia. And he has 20 minutes until impact. and this is years ago. And he's receiving this information and he's the one, he's got the nuclear codes, and he's the one that can make the decision

that makes it so none of us are here right now doing this podcast. Because if they launch, then we're going to really launch and then it's over. And he sat there for X amount of minutes. I'm forgetting this guy's fucking name. And he did say, he was like, it didn't feel right. And based on intuition, he's like,

I can't launch. I don't think this is right. That man saved humanity. Nobody even talks about this guy because he's fucking Russians. That man saved him in. So think about the climate that we're in right now where every day there's fear mongering going on, you know, between nations. If you was to hear something like that right now, would it shock you? If right now we started getting alerts, yo, Russia's sending a nuke over here.

When we all be sitting here like, no, that shit ain't happened. Or would you be thinking like, oh, this shit can potentially happen? Well, you would be scared. Yeah. So you, but the first thing I would do was try to figure out where that's coming from. We don't have time. But so this is my, well, number one, it don't matter what we think about the news coming. It's not a motherfucking thing we can do about the news coming unless you got a bunker.

If the nukes are, if the birds are flying, it's now it's about different levels of damage that are going to happen. So, like, there's, if it would you do? I mean, there's not, I mean, first of all, first of all, first of all, you're not, you're never going to know. Like, you're not going to know that those birds are in the sky. This is what I would say about AI. to me, the applications of AI are probably the most important thing because, like, some of the stories that you hear, like, they have the Seinfeld AI that runs all the time, right? The people in a room, they're, like, animated Seinfeld people. And it ran long enough to where the people started to question their existence inside of them.

They started to go, what are we doing here? Are we alive? Like, the AI people, they started to ask questions, like, do we exist? What is existence? Oh, but he said that too. He said the AI's already getting smarter. And so when you start to see the computer question its own sentience, then you start to wonder, okay, well, where are we using it for?

Like in a situation like you just described, what if we turn over either strategic air defense, flying planes, or anything like that to the AI? Then the AI does not have any feel for humanity. It just calculates the odds and then it goes. Cold decision. Just a cold decision. That guy was like, you know what?

my duty to my nation might be to launch, but if I launch, my kids are dead. I'm dead. So let me make sure that everybody has to die. So that's the only question I have. So what happens when it's not a message, but you actually hear the president's voice, or you hear a world leader's voice saying we just saying,

terrifying you guys. Can I read a quote from Petri and Russell, comparing the deterrent aspect of nuclear war to a man walking on a type rope? Can you read it in a specific accent? Is there an accent that you'd like to read it? I'm going to read it in my natural accent, which is this right here. And this is from the 50s. What you're going to do now?

What you're going to do now? All right. Can you just read it in honky tongue accent? That's all we're asking. I'm going to read it straight, whatever effects you guys put on it afterwards. That's out of my hands. All right. You may reasonably expect.

Okay, we're serious. We're being serious. Go ahead, Chris. We're being serious. Yeah, let me read it, Chris. No, let Chris read it. No, Chris read it. Chris got the more serious voice. Go, go, go.

You may reasonably expect a man to walk a tight rope safely for 10 minutes. It would be unreasonable to do so without an accident for 200 years. And that's what we're basically betting on. There's not going to be an accident. It's impossible for there not to be an accident. The accident is going to be AI in all likelihood. We're trusting humans to do the right thing. A tight rope.

Like, come on. So, okay, cool. We're 10 minutes in right now. So it's scary and bad. What's the solution? I don't think there is none. Well, I mean, unplug it. Somebody's even no one to do that.

So we have, just let you know, we have been trying to get somebody, like a computer scientist or someone from one of these various think tanks to come on the show and, like, talk to us about this. And they're very sketchy and hesitant to do it. It's something that a lot of people want to stay out of, and we've heard a couple of, like,

let's wait and see five, six months about it. I just don't know what. I don't know enough about it to be scared. Of course I'm scared. I don't know enough about it to be like it's a big, huge deal. But it seems to be something that's kind of just running rampant and nobody really knows how to put the horse back on. I mean, look at this dude. What's his name of Dr. Hinton? Chris? Yeah. He had to, he had to quit Google just to be able to ring the alarm. Think about that. He had to quit Google to be able to ring the alarm about the dangers of artificial intelligence. I did this history channel show and the people were asking me something

and they were asking me about me. And I was like, how do you know that? And they were like, well, we just put you in Chad GPD. The chat GPT gave us your whole shit. You know what chat room? Listen, what are you about to say? I got to get ready with that. What did it say?

What would Chat GPD? Chad GPD was, it was talking like me. That's what I'm telling you. Yeah. It was like, so weird with the, so the History Channel show is about disruptors. It was talking like me. It was using my, even like in places where I don't talk and like, like not what I don't talk, but places where I stutter or fuck up or things that I would say.

This is audio that's coming out of it? No, it was written. It was text. And it was saying it was, because when I, when I podcast, I mentioned that I'm from Baton Rouge like a lot. It's something that I do. It had that all throughout the. I had never heard of chat GPT before. I'd never heard of it. So imagine what happens when you hear a conversation between two people you love, right? Like, let's say it's me and Andrew talking shit about you. But talking real shit about you. Like, you have to put something from you in there, though, so it can...

Don't do that. I mean, you're already in there, probably. But imagine hearing a conversation between two people you love talking crazy shit about you, and you're about to see them people in 10, 15 minutes. I just wouldn't believe it unless... You know what I mean? Like, I would do a little bit more investigation into it. I feel what you're saying now.

I feel that there's... always invention and then people get scared about this invention because we don't know what to expect. And then we adapt and we deal with it. Like the start of the internet, people like, oh, this is the end of all mom and pop stores and all that stuff. And then we adapt and now we have online businesses. This is different. This is not Y2K. People are the end of the world.

The fucking computers aren't going to know how to say zero zero. This is different. This is really playing with our reality. Technology just is something new. We adapt. And then we just keep moving on. Like it's always been that. And like this number five, the widening socio-economic inequality as a result of AI,

when motherfuckers start losing jobs to these artificial intelligence, we're not even going to know who to be mad at. My motherfucker's just going to be out here broke, starving, and angry at the world. What has been happening? Not to this level. So many jobs have gotten replaced already because of technology and we've adapted. 150 million jobs, 200 million jobs. Just devil's advocate.

Everything that is being said is correct. Is there not a breaking point? So what I would say is automation, globalization, all of these things, but we've discussed before how they, is there a breaking point though? Is there a breaking point to where there starts to be a compounding of things to where people can no longer function and live their lives in the way that they want to? So it's one thing if the jobs are moving to overseas, it's one thing if whatever, then there's another thing.

Now, plus all it is, then there's automation. Then there's somebody else. It'll be the climate. that'll be the breaking point. I think it's a combination of all three. I think it's climate. I think it's AI. And there was something else we said in here earlier.

We named all three. It was climate AI. What's that answer, man? Just enjoy life while you're here. We're not going to adapt. Let's say if technology takes away all the jobs, we'll probably introduce universal income. Basic income.

And then the people who actually want to go to work and do more just to make some more. You're talking about the universal basic income that Martin Luther King Jr. wanted in the 60s. No, I'm just saying that we hadn't reached. We hadn't reached the breaking point. I'm just saying if we get to that breaking point yet,

I don't know what the breaking point is. But not like, unemployment isn't that high right. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy and joy. Unemployment isn't that out. Everybody keeps saying that. You know what? People aren't working.

People have become entrepreneurs. To that point, there's a part of me that just had to be kind of like, fuck it. Yeah. I mean, there's a part of me. I used to be, you know, y'all know I deal with anxiety. Yes. I used to go from the fucking ozone lead,

the nuclear war. It's always been so. People in my hood. The whole, back out. But I used to do the whole nine. But let's not act like this shit is okay. Let's not act like everything's going to be all right.

It might not be all right. People have been saying shit ain't going to be right. What is they are originally for them? Like, why do they have what that thing you just said? Chat GPT? Yeah, like why do they have it originally? To help you. That's cool.

That's what it is. That's all just cool. I mean, it's like scientists that come up with you. This guy right here. I heard him. This guy right here and you hate me. I didn't hear him. What did you say?

What did you say? What did you say? I didn't even hear what he said. This guy. I'm not going to start it. This guy. Don't listen to these people. I'm not going to start.

I'm not going to start. I'm not going to start. What he just said under his breath? He's going to blame that on AI. You're asking me this. You're going to be like AI. I didn't even say shit. Okay.

I heard. What did I say? What did I say? What did I say? Nothing. No, no. What did I say? What did I say?

What did I say? And the fact that you attacked me, yo, I'm worried nobody hurting with y'all. Hey, what jokes you got for Charlotteman? What did I say? Where are these jokes at? What a joke? You spent all fucking day on me.

He disarmed by saying, I ain't going to joke on you no more. They're lying. Yeah, you see him? The thing is, though, is Charlamine, if I hit below the belt, he's conniving as fuck and going to try to really down, yeah. So you said, you said, no, no, not. But you're saying, I got to be. I know I struggle with him.

And no, I know you too. Just admit, okay, what you're just admitting is my jokes are better. That's all you're admitting. Wow. I'm not saying your jokes are better. I'm saying your conniving. My jokes are better. My jokes are better.

Your what? My pranks. Wait, you're saying your jokes are better than Andrew? No, better than Taylor. I have a good pranks. I'm not a comedian, y'all. I have good pranks. Listen.

I did a good one yesterday. First of all, I have good pranks, too. Can we do ask a week? Let's do ask a minute. And you let them rile you up for no reason. No, I want you know what. No, I know you said something. So what did you say?

I didn't say anything. I didn't say nothing. You know what I have to go to? I have to go to his wife. Isn't that fucked up? Isn't that fucked up? Oh, hell fuck with her. Does she got the power?

She posed to. Yeah. Can we do asking idiots? Wait, what? His wife. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Can we do ask the idiots? You're the only power.

Can't believe y'all just be lying in tailings. She'd be believing that shit. She does believe. She'd be sitting right here. She does believe. I told her this is going to happen last week. Throws her friends. Andrew, I'm not.

He throws you guys under the bus. No, I don't. I just know y'all. I just know y'all. Y'all talk about I can't stop. This guy can't stop. Y'all both can't stop. You're both can stop.

Stop throwing him under the bus because I see you too. Stop. Sneaky ass. He sees you. Just because you got the skin doesn't mean shit, my niggas. Wow. Oh, that was a jab! That was a jab!

What does the show of whiteness have to do with this? Wait, was that to me or show her? No, to you. Who's doing? Stop. I see your mouth trembling. I see your mouth trembling. I'm just waiting.

I'm just waiting. What is going on here, Taylor? This guy? Yeah. He's playing with fire, bro. You're playing with me. You're playing with fire. No, no, no, no, no.

Give it up to God. This is a first rest of me. Just the way he gets out of it. This guy is playing with the higher. You know what we should have talked about? That what? That Umar clip I sent you. The greatest ever, Dr.

Omer? Which one? Which one? He's the bad. You didn't see the one with Omar was talking about, like, how he feels about white people in the whole night? You didn't see that clip?

No, I saw the one. He just, he just was shouting out a basketball game, and he just went off. You ain't see that shit? Man, that shit was so good. Umar, so hilarious. What could, what could,

what could Umar possibly say about white people? He was saying that, he was saying that, he doesn't like, I sent it to the group. He said he doesn't like. He said he also doesn't like black people that have white friends. Damn.

He did not say that. Look, I'm gonna send it to you right now. He said, he might mean that. He said, because he said that. He said, he said a version of that to me. Yeah. Where? And I asked him, he was at my studio.

I asked him about coming on, and he was like, oh, yeah, that's the one with Charlotte. And that white boy would be talking crazy. and then he just shook his head. At least somebody who's really know he'd be talking crazy. And then he just shook his head. That's it. Listen, this is a safe space for you, Dr. Umar.

I'm a huge fan. I'm not inviting you on here to debate or anything. I just love your form of communication and we would love to have you on as a guest. I'm not trying to give you push back on any. We don't have to be friends. How about that? You and I do not have to be friends.

But I would love you to sit in this seat right here. And let's just talk, man. Let me get a clip. And I message for him. I said that it's in the I need a song producing a beat Black Queen's Forever Snow Bunny's never

What? Remember you trying to get that song Maybe Here this All white people are racist All of them The little kids The old people

The Christians The Muslims The liberals The conservatives The Democrats The Republicans All white folks are racist The reason

You don't understand that It's because white folks Know how to make you Think they're good people They laugh and smile and play with your kids and give you free food and hold conversations with you on a bus white folks don't like you white folks can't stand you

and they don't have to hate you to be racist so you think they got to hate you they don't have to hate you racism is not about hate racism is about what power and control of the resources that's it they can have sex with you they can give you your kids they can marry you but guess what they will never do Give you control of the opportunities and the resources. All white people are racist.

And until you understand that, you'll never be free because every black person has 10 good white people who you love and trust. And that's why I don't trust you. See how easy that is? See, I love being Dr. Umar because I don't get into no gray areas with nobody because everybody know what I stand for. She's white. I don't like you. Oh, my God. Why your six-year-old thought I got a permanent hit?

I don't like you. Why you still got a white Jesus on the wall? I don't like you. So they already see me coming. I ain't got to have no debates, no arguments. And when I get around white folks and when I got to put my suit on and go to work, I always put a radical black button on my lapel. So the white girls don't think I want them.

Because you Negroes love these white girls so much, they think every black man wants their little nasty man themselves. Oh, my God. Amen. I'm getting on the elevator and all the white girls looking back to see if I'm looking at their beehive. But you don't have any beehive. What are you looking for, Sali? All the ass back.

See? I mean, the goat. All I heard was a goat, bruh. I ain't hear nothing but bad. Like that sheep. The goat. Whatever the fuck goats make. Funny.

I must have watched that video 150 times. Who hurt you? He's the goat. White people. Kind of stupid-ass question. I'm trying to, like, did he ever, because, no, like, did he ever tell about his childhood? Like, why is he has so much hate? Like, I've never, never heard of that.

It's about to happen to you. Salute to Dr. Humbaugh. I don't know what to tell you, man. Uh, nah, he, uh, you know, can we do some math and idiots? I think I did a little research into his earlier years. He was adopted by white people. He, his parents are actually white. That's bullshit.

Shut up. He was fostered. He was fostered in a white home. That would be the funniest origin. That would be hilarious. That's true. He was going to come back as to you. He was fostered in a white home.

That's AI. Alexander of Beals 23 says, if y'all could switch lives for a day, would you? And what's the first thing you're doing as he chugged? I don't see. You already know. One question except for the third comment, bro. See, I knew I should have came on.

Damn. Look at that. Mitch Mottiana said, Van Thickett and Charlotte, that ain't no question. There's no question mark to end. Wait a minute. Are you thicker? There's no question mark at the end of the day. Statement. That was a statement.

Mitch Mottiana says, man, thicket and Charlotte. But I don't know if you're thicker. I don't think I'm bigger. You're bigger, but I think Charlotte might be thicker. Yeah, you're thick. The armorrhage question is crazy, too. Is being invited to the cookout?

Is Andrew invited to? Oh, shit. My bad. Fucking rock. Right. But is Van invited to the cookout? But is Van invited to the cookout? It's my cookout.

It depends on how much we got. That's the thing. If it's a light week, you know what I mean? If you just got laid off. I'll be back on the brilliant idiot. In 2029. Yo, the DJ Dar in 2020. I think Darce said, why is America so fascinated with celebrity?

That is a great question, I think, because at this point... We don't have royalty, man. I think that's all we got. What else do we have to be fascinated with? Yeah. America was built on celebrity. The guys who... Ooh.

Like the earliest stories of the guys in the American frontier. Ooh. The founding fathers were the first celebrities. David Crock and Daniel Boone, all of these things. Famous stories where you... There's never been a time where America hasn't been. Billy the Kid these guys, Doc Holliday

some of the worst killers in the history of the country were romanticized in comic books and stories all over the place. I even know those people was real. They're all Confederate soldiers. But I'm saying, were they celebrities in their time? Or did they become celebrities over the year? I don't know if they were all Confederate soldiers,

but a lot of the train robbers and bank robbers and James Brothers definitely were. Exactly. In the West, they were these Confederate soldiers that now didn't want to be part of the fabric of this new society they were fighting against, but they had all the military training, they had the guns and weapons training, they had the cavalry training

that could ride the horses. So you basically trained up these people and then they're like, all right, fuck are we robbing everybody. Do we consider that famous, though? They were definitely famous. They were infamous, yeah. But a lot of these guys,

like Robert Ford killed Jesse James, he was one of the most famous men of his time. Famous has always been a part of the American. Because, yeah, we've romanticized our existence. Right. Because the story is incredibly romantic. I mean, like, defeating the greatest army in the world with a bunch of people.

that weren't even a functional army is insane. So after that, it's like everything is a romance. I mean, it just almost feels like now you can't even have a conversation about anything that's happening in society if celebrities not attached to it. Like, there's big societal issues that we don't even start discussing

unless a celebrity is attached to it. It helps. Jesus Christ, that's fucking crazy. Jake 3 says, who in y'all opinion is actually the best rapper of the new generation by positive impact. Who fucking cares?

Positive impact. Yeah. Kodak Black. Go down? Oh, Kodak is the man, dude. Broda. I ain't never said that. Damn, man. I don't know. I didn't know Van was here. We said Van was going to be here? Hold on. You said that Mexicans can say the N-Worse?

I never said that. I don't know who they got me confused. Throw up. Who said this, Judy. Jay Dealey 24. My boy, Vane. Can Mexicans still say the N-word? I never said, But can they? Not to me. They have black blood, though.

Not to me. To me. They do. But the mestizo period in Mexico, you had black slaves come over and they mix with the indigenous population and white people and they've created Mexican. They're black. To me, there's been a democratization of the word nigger that exists because I know I'm from the South. And like, where I'm from, if you're not black and you say that word, there's a very specific intent. I get, I'm not from.

LA, I'm not from New York. I'm not from different places where different people throw it around. Yeah. So I'm not going to tell nobody how to react to that, but to me, no. Who can say it that's not black and you feel the most comfortable? Nobody. What about Fat Joe? Fat Joe says it. But to be honest with you, you know how I feel about that? Like, that was regulatory capture.

Like, everybody is okay? And so you just kind of kind of deal with it. But am I cool with that? No. I can't wait. But it's not big enough. It's not a big. enough deal to like make a big enough deal about it. But I if somebody grew up somewhere else and they're like, hey, everybody in my neighborhood says this and this is the way we talk, what I'm about to pick a fight with you now after years and years and years because this is the way it is. But to me, there's a clear line there and that line shouldn't be crossed. And I would

have, I was Puerto Rican. He probably got black blood in him. He doesn't. I'm reading this book right now. I thought so too. I always thought that he was Afro Latino. And that's another thing. What is he? But he described, he literally talks about why he used the N-word, and he talks about all the backlash he gets forward now, but it's literally because he just grew up in the Bronx with black and brown people, and that's just the way they used to talk.

He said when he came home, he said he can remember being like a little kid and somebody saying, yo, this little nigger got curly hair, something crazy like that. And he was like, that's just the language that they always used to use in the Bronx. So it's black people's fault.

I mean, that's what they say. Yeah, that's what he said. But he said, everybody used to use the word. And so he said, he said, that's why it, you know, it took him back when he got older, and people started giving him back last four because he was like, yo, that's just how I grew up.

That was our culture. His book, by the way, Pat Joe's book, The Book of Jose, amazing. I mean, highly entertaining. But, boy, either Puerto Ricans are the greatest storytellers of all time or some of this stuff is just unbelievable. What's the most unbelievable part?

I don't want to give the book away. There's one part in the book where he talks about this kid from Ecuador, an Ecuadorian kid, who literally tried to kill him every day for like four days straight with a Mac 11. With a Mac 11. Shooting at him with a Mac 11. He talked about how he was in a rental car, and the guy just shot up the rental car,

and the car looked like Swiss cheese, and everybody was yelling, oh, Fat Joe, and I think he was with his man toad. Fat Joe Antone are dead. Fat Joe and Tone of Dead. He was like, Bullets never touched me. That sounds believable to you. I might shoot at you for four days straight with a Mac 11.

I don't know. Some New York shit. It's Ecuadorian, I'm trying to think. I've heard of that particular story. That plays in it off. Great book. Yeah. Phenomenal read. I actually want to talk to him about it, but phenomenal read. It's just got some really, it just really happy stories in there.

King. Thank you. Honestly, I don't, I don't see color. But I smell it. These guys smell delicious. That barbecue. I don't know. Yeah, it's the best being a minority. That's so stupid, you said that.

I used to tease one of my homeboys with that. I used to have, I used to remember 36 Mafia, two-way freak? Do you remember two-way freak? Do you remember two-way freak? She's a two-way freak. I used to go, you got the fat man smell, the fat man smell. You can't see your dick, and your health is not well.

This guy's a menace, and you come at me, yo. Damn, man. I was evil. How is he, that guy today? He's no longer with him. I'm about to say, he did. Oh, my God. I'm lying.

Oh, my God. He's fine. Oh, this is a going. We can end on this one. Bays Tensai says, how have you guys helped each other grow and evolve over the past 10 years in business and life? I mean, definitely business-wise.

I think I've learned so much from you just about, like, entertaining, speaking on a podcast or radio, I mean, how to conduct yourself in these interviews. I remember I saw the coolest thing you did. We were doing the red carpet back in our MTV days. And every time I'd get interviewed by someone, I was like, I got to think of something funny with this, that, the other.

And we did it together once. And you had, like, bits ready to go. And it didn't matter what they asked you, you were getting to your bit. And the bit was fucking polished and, like, funny. and it was the perfect hot take and the perfect line. And you saw them get it, laugh. And it was almost like, print, we can put this out, whatever.

And I realized in that moment, I was like, oh, shit. Like, you have to treat these moments like you treat it stand-up. Like, have your shit ready to go. You know what they're going to ask you. You know they're coming. Who do you think is going to win the best rap award? You had a fucking line for everything. And I saw the kind of the preparation that went into that.

And I was like, oh, wow, this guy's operating on a different level. He is not waiting. Because I mean, I do radio every morning. But a lot of this stuff they ask and stuff that we've talked about. But still, it's like, I need to see somebody do that to realize that that's how you operate in those spaces. You know? And like, that's just one example of many times I've seen you do things that I'm like, oh, wow, that is the way. Yeah, that is the way you handle those moments and those environments.

Andrew helped me in life just because he was one of the people that I saw in his business who was actually, faithful to their woman. That's real. Straight up. Like lit like early on me. Like, damn, this guy's really faithful. It was so funny.

You didn't believe it. And the way that you would phrase it was that. But, damn, this guy's really faithful. No, for real. Like, really. And I mean, that was, that was inspiring to see.

Because it was just like, oh, you don't have to be out here wow. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know? And I mean, I'm sure it's tough

to go back to the room or, you know, not be out of time with your girl. And, like, do the right thing, but that shit ain't the easiest thing, especially when we was younger. So that definitely helped me. This is where my podcast and career started. Wow. Yeah.

So the first podcast, not the first podcast I was ever on, but the first actual podcast that a lot of people, a lot of people listened to that I was on was y'all. And then I did, remember we did the podcast? We were in L.A. And the first time I was at the radio station. Oh, my God, that's right. Then after that, like, people were like,

oh, my little podcast band, you'll be up with Chris? Then that's how Redfield started. We didn't start. Wow, that phrase has changed. Yeah, right, right? We didn't start it right away because TNZ wouldn't let us,

but then we started it, and now this is kind of like what I do. Yeah, you know what I mean? So it's not crazy. It's been a while, but I've learned, like, I've learned a lot just through watching you guys. I've learned really to be honest with you,

one thing that I learned from watching y'all is just just to be me. You know what to me? Just because everybody's unique perspective and what they bring to the table, you know, has worth and value. I watch you guys be unapologial for you. So that, you know, I'm unapologiating to me. Yeah, I mean, I talk to both of y'all

that shit more than probably anybody. I mean, not more than anybody, but more than most people in my life. You know what I mean? So it's impossible for us not to learn from each other and to grow. That's a nice thing about podcast and those is that, like, it's hard to be a fake version of yourself for two hours.

Yeah, you can't. Yeah, you can't. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, some people have mastered it. Yeah, you think? Yeah, some people have definitely. Really? And doing what we do, where you're like constantly,

no, no, no, no, no, no. Who, who, who? I'm just saying it's a performative motherfuckers out of it. Who, who you got? Who you got? Nothing. It's a lot of performance. There's a lot of people.

I guess what I'm saying is a lot of times that, like, this, this exposes who you are and which is good for people who like me and who they are, because now you get, we have an event. we have an advantage, right? It's like, if you're pretending and someone gives you the script and you're just asking a couple questions and it's done.

But if you're just riffing and talking for two hours, that you is going to come out. That's right. Alex, you got anything? Taylor's scrolling out someone? I said I want to end on that. I would say probably everything

because I wasn't of the industry at all. So picking up so much game from both of you. Everything I do is like, I see him doing this. I see you doing this. I'm like, okay, that's the move that I'm going to do.

All right. Everything I do. Oh, Ben, this is for you. You can end with this one. Oh, God. No, this is good. This is actually informative. Alba Kossan says, what's with the popularity of OZem Peak for weight loss?

I just want to know which one of y'all went in there and changed your name to whatever that is and asked that question. But you know what it is, though? So for me, you know, I'm working out. I'm doing all this stuff. I'm going hard. And if I'm being real, all the way real, like, no holds bar. I literally hit a point in my life to where I was just at a roadblock, you know what I mean? Like it, I was so into-

A rocky roadblock? Yeah. I was so. You like that one, Chris? You like that one? You like that shit, huh, Chris? I hope you're in the wide. He said Roblox and literally Charlemagne and my eyes just went like,

it was like a drop of blood in the water. Two great ones are. That's it. I'm not saying it now. No, what happened? You hit a roll. No, no. So, you know, it was a rough couple of years.

And, like, there was, and I had my life. When you hit the road black, did you blast straight through it? But went straight through it. Yeah. So, so I, you know, my, in my, before I was, everything about me was controlling my body, controlling my mind. I had everything to weigh down in the eight. Just make sure that I didn't gain weight again. Yeah.

then grief hit. Dominates your life in that way. Yeah. Grief hit and like I just lost it in this. The grief dominates your life now. The grief is all about taking, getting the grief out. Yes. And then like you're up all night thinking and you're having dreams.

Like every single night you go to bed, you dream. I couldn't sleep. And the doctor goes, here, take this. This will help you sleep. And he didn't take, you know, shout out to my psychologist. We talked about it. Didn't say that like a side effect was that. You're a weight game.

Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Yeah, and so it's a drug called Rimmeron, and it's a fantastic drug to get you out of your depression. But, yeah. But literally, I gained like 30 or 45. Even if you work out, it still calls you doing it? It's fucking with you, and it's making your appetite go crazy.

So even after I got off of it, I just couldn't get back to that thing because I still felt bad. Go to a party one day, see a friend of mine. I'm like, man, you look great. He's like, I saw two guys, actually. It's like, man, this is kind of something that helps you. And what it really does is it makes you stop prioritizing food for everything because it focuses your appetite.

So now if I'm feeling, for me, it's been kind of good and not everybody can afford it and stuff, but if I'm feeling bad about something, I don't immediately think, let me go eat something. Because the drug is slowing down, I believe, your digestion. Is that what it is? Slowing down your digestion and it's regulating your insulin. So now I have to think about,

Like, you know, back, like I was before, like what makes me happy, which is playing basketball, which is boxing. Instead of constantly thinking every single day, what am I going to eat? How can I not do this? Yeah. I remember, it's a funny thing to realize that you. I have a relief to be able to do that. Absolutely.

It's a funny thing to realize that, like, you back to the old you. Because I thought that was gone. I remember I'm in the house and I ordered a buttercate for Mashnells. And the butter cake comes and Kalika goes, I don't want to eat that. And I was like, that's good because this is for me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I just housed the whole thing

and just physically I felt so bad. And I just sat there and I was like, I'm out of control of you. But it was just tough. But I'm telling you, they got a great butter cake though. My God, it's fucking unbelievable.

It's so fucking fire, bro. It's like they taunting fat people. It is. They are, though. It is crazy. It's like they're talking about the Maschose butter cake is crazy. It's like a feeling that you can't replicate.

Yeah. Bro, you know, you don't have to have the buttering from my truck. You know what I was mad about? I went to SDKs. I was at? Where was I had SDKs at recently? Oh, in Atlanta. What's that shit we used to get from SDKs all the time, that fucking dessert?

Oh, I can't remember. I know she's talking about that. That shit was so goddamn good. Yeah. It was a cookie or something? Like a cookie. Yeah. Oh, in the skillet.

Yes, man. It's like a cookie and a skillet. You put like a scoop of ice cream on top of the cookie. Yeah. But we ordered a couple more than bitches that time we was in, was out there. Anyway, but, you know, for me, the drug. You really remember that. I do.

Yeah. I like to eat. I don't know it's not on the menu no more because Van told me. He got the alerts. He got the alert. He called me one day like, yo, man. You know what's not on the menu?

But you know what else is cool, though? You know what I'm cool with me? It's like what I realized is that I am different mentally than I used to be because it doesn't bother me anymore. It used to be a situation. What, that things aren't on the menu? No, shut up.

Like the jokes about it. Oh, oh. Oh, yeah, because it's not controlling your life. Yes. When it's controlling your life, you're that much more sensitive. Right. But when you're not, it's not controlling your life, it can kind of wash over you. I have a great job.

I have a great woman. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm in control. Like before when I was big, I used to think the reasons why I am not. All these things is because that's, yeah. Wow. And so it just, it, it, it, my mentality now, I just think about it. And really what I think about is like the responsibility I have.

have to myself and to my body. Yeah. And the fact that, like, losing dad, losing my Uncle David this year, losing my Uncle Charles, none of these guys hit 70. Mm. So now you got to get on it. Yep. None of these guys hit 70.

Yeah. Yeah. I hope that was funny to you too, Chris. All over that laughing and shit. That's crazy. Um. Both. Yeah, I'm both.

What? You said that for that for some reason. They just started smirking. They're trying to, they don't want to because they don't want to step on the sitcom moment. But I don't like, I don't like, I don't look that. No, I don't. No, I don't. I'm telling you, bro.

I'm like, who smirts when you hear about it? No, we burt. Yeah. You see it? You see it. It was just one thing. You don't have an uncontrols, do you? I do have an hookahs.

Oh. That's the way. Oh, a couple of years of why. I thought I got that from going with the hugs. I swear to God. I mean, he put some sauce on that. That Joe! That Joe is in the wrong!

Russell, Beast, Charles is a little time. Oh, my God. Listen, man, make sure you go check out. I did a conversation with Judy Blume, man. That's available online right now. Yo, she shouted you out on Andy Cohen. On Andy Cohen show, too. That was cool.

I hung out with Judy a couple of times, man. I feel like whenever you get the opportunity to go hang out with icons and legend, you should, you know, go take that opportunity. So I definitely did that a couple of times. And I would do it again, God willing. And salute to Gillian Wallow, man. You know, we did a million dollars worth a game a couple weeks ago. Me and Envy, man.

Shout to Gillian Wallow, man. Shout to Gillian Wallow, man. Gilly and Wallow doing their thing. You know, you should, if you can't celebrate Gilly and Wallow, something wrong with it. No, dude. They're fantastic. Something wrong with you. Also, Gilly could hoop kind of.

Man, Gilly a good athlete, bro. Gilly's a good athlete. And also, man, Wailo was in prison for 20 years. think about that. He's been... Money? Yes. Walo did 20 years in prison.

He hasn't been home six years. And he's home. And now these dudes are the highest paid black podcasters. How do you not celebrate that? Salute to Gilly and Wallow. And it's not just about the money. You know what I'm saying? It's the fact that they figured something out.

Chemistry undeniable. A lot of people come home from prison and they just don't know what to do. Wallow figured it out. We figured it out in a way. that both of them have generational wealth for their families now. Yeah, it's incredible. Salute to Gillian Wallow, man. Yeah, man.

As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, we think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right too. It's the brilliant idiots podcast, man. Thank you for coming.

No problem, brother.