The Brilliant Idiots - Grits And Cornbread

Episode Date: July 29, 2021

This week Charlamagne, Andrew, and Wax are joined by TamBam from "We Talk Back" podcast and they discuss how women in the south are built different, Simon Biles taking a break, interracial dating, par...enting, responsibility of social media, and more!!! Follow TamBam on IG @OfficialTamBam Follow We Talk Back Podcast @WeTalkBackPodcast Head Over to theandrewschulz.com for Andrews latest tour info. Head to www.blackeffect.com to check all the podcasts on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:39 Yeah. And one half of the We Talk Back podcast. Hailing from the 803 to Metro Columbia, South Carolina, Tam Bam is here. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Tam Bam is in here. She's in New York.
Starting point is 00:01:51 She decided to pay homage to the little Kim today. I did with my little Kim dress. You want to stand up and show it to him? I sure do. I would love it. Okay. Suck the stomach in. Come on now.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Let me let everybody. Isn't it cute? That's Little Kim when she got arrested. I don't know when. 724.96 it says. Somebody looked at up. This is just an honest question. Are you wearing anything to make you shape like that?
Starting point is 00:02:15 Oh, this is just grits and cornbread, baby. Holy shit. You got talking to the mic, can't tell them what you just said into the microphone. You said it's just what? It's just gris and cornbread. South Carolina. South Carolina born and brain. Don't take credit for this.
Starting point is 00:02:31 You had nothing to do with this. I'm Dick, too. What you're talking about? So, Shollah! So, Shalab! Yes, Salome! Yeah. That's skinny little white boy ass you got on it.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Grits and cornbread, pay. Wow, but that's crazy. So that's just naturally built that way. Yes. Wow. Now, is it night? How old are you now? I'm in my 30s.
Starting point is 00:02:57 You're in your 30s. When you were growing up, did you always find that your body type was as appreciated as it is now? I feel like when I was younger, it was more appreciated it. Really? Yeah, because it was before you could buy it, you know? Yeah. Oh! Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Because that's my assumption when I first saw it. Because you have such a slim waist, everybody's going to YouTube right now. Anybody who was listening on audio has immediately stopped their soundcloth, and they've gone right to YouTube. You know how long I've known, Tammy? How long? 20, maybe 20 years. Yeah, it's been about 20. So you saw the evolution of it.
Starting point is 00:03:30 You saw it growing. You saw it. You saw it out of it. control. What's happening over here? You're this woman a podcast or something. I met her. I met you.
Starting point is 00:03:40 I remember when I met Tammy. I met Tammy at Big Tees barbecue. Yep. Right outside of the barbecue. You were doing a remote. Yep. But isn't that so interesting? Like you,
Starting point is 00:03:49 and there was a time where you were completely unique and you're not completely unique, but it was very rare. Right. And now so many girls are shoving shit in their bodies to look like you now. That wasn't rare back then, though. It wasn't?
Starting point is 00:04:00 I mean, it was a lot of women in South Carolina that are built like me. You know? Okay. And what's going on down there that we should... We're eating cornbread and grits. In the suburbs. I need to take some of them grits to the cul-de-sacs.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Bro, what the fuck is happening? You want to have your basketball party in South Carolina? Yeah. Charleston, here we go. But that's Columbia. That's the Metro. Oh, the Metro. Yeah, that's the 803.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Oh, okay. And now when you go to the Gichi area, is it even crazier? Oh, yeah. Yeah, because they eat rice too. Them gal boomie big now. Yeah. Yeah, them gal bullies. big down there now.
Starting point is 00:04:34 How do you keep the waist in and then still have a robust bottom? I don't know. You know, people like, they'll say things like, oh, is your body fake? Yeah. And I talked to my dad about it. I was like, people say your ass is fake. And he's like, just show him a picture of your grandfather. So my granddaddy got a fat ass.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Wait, what? Hold on. My gosh. Stop. Really? I got you beat, fam. Let us see. Let us see.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Let me see that booty. No. All right. Turn around. Let me see you. Oh, you think, Andrew. You think. Bring me some of that damn. Man, you spray fucking lice on on that shit, man. What's that shit you spray on flat surfaces?
Starting point is 00:05:15 What's the shit called? I don't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Over here, I wouldn't know. Zero recollection, bro. This is all tuna sandwiches. They ain't never had two of the sandwiches and put an ass together like this. Okay?
Starting point is 00:05:28 Tuna sandwiches. Central Park West. Okay? Some fucking matzo bowl. soup got me stacked. Oh, man. But that's good. I'm glad that you appreciate the finer things in South Carolina.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah. I mean, no, it's, it's obviously you're a beautiful woman, but it is like so unique. You know, it's sometimes like, I think that guys we get in trouble for like objectifying, but sometimes things are so unique that that you have to stare. Like you ever see somebody like, you ever see like a dark skin, and I'll do, I'll make it male to male. You see like a dark skin dude with like blue eyes. And you're like, that's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Holy shit. It's nothing sexual. You know, and then you see it and I think, well, in your case, I'm not saying there's nothing sexual, but I'm not saying that there is, you know. I'm the fiance. We're in the same position. You over here talking like. I feel like a magazine just opened up and a person walked out when you're here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:25 That's a deal. Damn. Bam. It's like, whoa, it's just crazy. And it's 100% natural. Yes. The sad is part about this whole. whole conversation is she's single as fuck.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Are you single as fuck? Really? And you want to start dating white guys, you just said. Yeah, I'm, she said that behind the scenes. That's what you know is getting back. I'm kind of open, open to it at this point.
Starting point is 00:06:46 I think you should listen, white guys, white guys don't come up to me because they're intimidated by my ass. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Why guys don't even know how we're going to get in there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Yeah. What do you mean? So, you know, like, uh, yeah, there's some physics going on here. Uh-huh. You know, so it's just like, Do I have enough length to really get to the bottom of it when you see all that instruction?
Starting point is 00:07:08 Why are you jumping into sex, though? You don't even know her. You got to get to know her and court her and, you know, see if y'all are compatible. She might not even want to give you nothing. Bro, what happened to you? What do you mean? I've always said that. I think that's the highest level of arrogance for a man to just assume they're going to hit.
Starting point is 00:07:27 You know, and guys be like, I'm going to hit that. How do you know? No, no, I never assume I was going to hit. But if it does go there and I really like you. and I'm going to have a connection with you and we're going to build on something, you're going to need to be satisfied. And I think that's where the insecurity comes from.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Like, well, I'm able to satisfy that girl. I think that's why they're... But you never know until you try, right? Exactly. You don't know. I think a lot of guys are intimidated. Obviously, not a guy like me. From a woman's perspective, how was that, Tam,
Starting point is 00:07:50 from a woman's perspective? And you say, you know, you never know until you try. You give a guy try and he can't do it. From a woman's perspective, how do you handle it? I mean, I'm willing to teach, you know? If I like the man, yeah. You can teach me. I can't teach his dick to grow, obviously.
Starting point is 00:08:05 You can't teach him a little dick. Well, I'm going to send him back to the streets if he can't say it. So, I mean, yeah, man, what am I supposed to do? We're doing a disservice to myself and to him at that point. Have you ever had a white guy hit on you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have. And did you interpret it as him, like, trying to help you or something like that? Like, he thought you were lost or something?
Starting point is 00:08:24 Actually, last night, we were in Times Square. We were in Times Square, and this white guy was like, hey, can you help me find Times Square? And I was like That was his That was a That shit was scared of me I was like This motherfucker to shoot him
Starting point is 00:08:38 What you mean Yeah around here You got watch yourself He probably was looking for it for real So was he in like a Pikachu outfit or something like that No no he was just dressed normally But
Starting point is 00:08:46 He wasn't my type So I just kind of I think you need to start dating some white guys I say this is a black women all the time Just start dating some white guys Just understand us You know You'll find a white guy
Starting point is 00:08:57 I have a great appreciation for you You can walk all over them and then... I don't want anybody I can walk all over. I think it's too difficult. To walk all over, you know? I think it's too difficult. No, that doesn't sound fun.
Starting point is 00:09:07 No, we've got generational wealth. It's a different thing. Not all right. Just storm away in this big house. You just keep walking. There's never an end. I think it's difficult. Yeah, that sounds great.
Starting point is 00:09:30 calling you a bandwinch and a sellout and everything else. You start looking at him funny. You know what I mean? Then I'm also scared to see white dick, honestly. Why? I just not, I don't know what it looks like. I just imagine a brat that hasn't been on the grill. A broad, like a hot.
Starting point is 00:09:44 A brought worse. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's brought-esque. You know what I mean? It's pink. It's different. It's a different dick. Yeah, so it is. It's a different dick, but like, it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:09:56 It's a beautiful dick. You know what I mean? It's fantastic. It's a different color. We shouldn't judge people for the color of their skin. We should judge them for the content of their testicles. No. Don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:06 You can work that one better. I'm moving, right? I'm moving. I was moving. What else I got? What else I got? What else I got? Don't judge me for the content of my cock.
Starting point is 00:10:19 For his character? No. What is it now? Don't judge me for the color of someone's skin. Yeah, boom. Don't judge me for the color of my cock. Judge it for the content of the cock? The testicle.
Starting point is 00:10:29 the content of the testicle Don't judge me for the color of my skin Just me For the content of my cock I want Andrew to work that one now Because that's one of them ones That's the content of my testicles is what you're I got a bar though
Starting point is 00:10:42 Right? Yeah bars You know what I mean? White dick is fire You a white dick for 2021 Yeah I think that's good I think we get Taylor a white boyfriend We get you a white boyfriend
Starting point is 00:10:52 Just try it out You never know Maybe you could pick up some things With the white guys And then you're like Oh I like that And that's a standard that I, well, you know, it'll never work.
Starting point is 00:11:01 I just think culturally it was just so different. Yeah, I can't see it. Not for them. I mean, I don't have a problem in interracial relationships, but I just can't see them in interracial relationship. Al, is the product of an interracial relationship? You are? Well, yeah, my dad's black, my mom's Puerto Rican. Oh, that's like,
Starting point is 00:11:16 Black and Black-Aidized. Now Puerto Ricans have no identity. I see how it is. But they definitely have an identity, but it's like it. It's like black adjacent kind of. in her family's house, all that shit is different. Everything is different. They louder.
Starting point is 00:11:33 They louder. The food's different, the culture's different. Everything's different. The language. You know, like you fried chicken? Yeah, yeah. Fried chicken. You know what it is, though?
Starting point is 00:11:40 It's not the same because it's not a history of, like, you know, animosity between blacks and Puerto Ricans. That's the difference. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean. We got off to a rocky start here in America. We did get off to a rocky start.
Starting point is 00:11:53 You know? But we're doing great. We're getting there. We're getting there. Certain people are doing. doing great. You can have long-lasting relationships, and you can have a nice, you know, pinky flesh-colored dangling. Jesus Christ. I do want to know why Tam Bam is single. Why do you think you're saying? I don't know. I'm starting to think it's me. Probably. I feel like I'm the fun
Starting point is 00:12:14 girl. What's that mean? I'm the good time. I'm fun. I like to laugh and joke, but nobody takes me serious. They just want to have fun with me. I don't have anybody that I've ever dated that wouldn't come back anybody, but it just seems like nobody wants really serious. Is someone in the room? Is there someone in the room? I'm not speaking. I noticed wax is awfully quiet today. How you're doing?
Starting point is 00:12:45 Wait a minute. Did you guys have a relation? We was talking about the family. Time for a mid-roll? This episode has been brought to you. by Bluetooth, baby. That can't be right. We're only three minutes in.
Starting point is 00:13:03 No way. Impossible. 14, 14. Hold on. What's going on? Let's get to the bottom of this. No, no, I'm not. I'm just speaking in general.
Starting point is 00:13:11 But did you guys ever have relations or anything? Why do you think Tammy that, why do you think nobody's ever taking me serious? I won't say nobody has ever taken me serious. I just feel like in recent years it's just all fun. And maybe it's me. Maybe it's the guys that I'm choosing as well. That's wild, though, because you're older.
Starting point is 00:13:31 It has nothing to do with whatever we were alluding to before. But when it comes to guys like not taking you serious, what would they say? Would they say shit like, like, I don't know nothing. Well, it's actions. There's more actions than words, right? Yeah, it's definitely actions. A lot of them want variety. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:51 You're something else. But see, it's wild, right? Because you're older now. I would think that the fun girl stuff would have been way back when. I'm just a good time. Like, I like to have fun. I like to laugh. I like to joke.
Starting point is 00:14:03 And I just feel like people keep me around for that. Are you setting boundaries, though? Are you letting guys know you're looking for more than that? I do. How do you do that? Taylor shakes her head. I do. You know, I ask questions like, what do you want?
Starting point is 00:14:14 Are you ready for a girlfriend? Do you want a serious relationship? Yeah. And they would like, I don't know nothing. No, not that. say something like, I don't know, you know, what I'm ready for it. I don't know what I'm. I said God's hands.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Yeah, some shit like that. It's crazy, though, because Tam, Tam, Tam, Tam is, Tan Bam is, Tan Bam is, shut the fuck out, bro. What I miss. What I miss? He's just having way too much fun with this guy. Tan Bam is clearly beautiful. She's smart.
Starting point is 00:14:49 She can cook her ass off. Yes, I can. And she got her own business. Yes, I did. Your headdress. You've been having to wrestle for a long time. Long time. I'm going to have my own salon.
Starting point is 00:14:57 So she don't need nothing other than just love. That's it. Built uniquely. All natural. You might not have paid attention. That's fair. But I was, I wasn't going to disrespect you by not noticing you. You are seen.
Starting point is 00:15:11 There's a lot of men that. No, for real. You are seen. You don't I got to say that. These men come along. There's always somebody, you know, in my DMs. There's always a guy, but it's just never. Never anything real.
Starting point is 00:15:26 What's the other constant other than you? What do you mean? Like, what's the constant in the relationship that you can point to you? You can be like, okay, that might be the issue. If there's something that you do that might turn the guy off. Black guys. Are you too pushy? Black guys?
Starting point is 00:15:40 Meaning, are you too pushy, meaning like, I want to get married. I want something. No, no, I don't come off as, like, desperate, like, and needy. I don't think I do that. I think it might be the type of guys that I'm dating. I really do. You date, man. Rich,
Starting point is 00:15:58 rich athletes, rappers. God, these type of guys. Any, like chicken farm connoisseurs? Not in a long time. Not a very long time.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Rich athletes, rappers. I mean, not even, not even just that because, like, professional men,
Starting point is 00:16:19 I've even dated like guys who are just, your everyday guy, but it just always goes south for some reason. And I do have a slit. tongue. I'm working on that. You know what that? Only a
Starting point is 00:16:28 suck of an insecure man to be intimidated by that. Yeah, I mean, usually yeah, that's an advantage. Yeah. Yeah, but some people don't like that. I want a woman that speaks of mine. I want a woman that's going to stand up for herself. You know what I mean? But that's the type of person you would want to be the head of your household. Right, but you also need to know.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Talking about head in the household. What is a slick tongue? Like, just, you know, I can be sharp with what I say. Oh, got you. Yeah, not like that. Yeah, not like that. Not like that. I can be sharp with what I say sometimes. Like undercut someone, make them feel really fucking stupid.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah, yeah. And I can use, like, when a time where you decided to be vulnerable with me and then in argument. That's fucked up. You know. That's fucked up. I'm working on that. I'm honest. I'm honest with you and I'm opening it up to you.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Don't use that against me. Right. I agree. And that's what, that's something I'm working on. What's the one? Give me an example. Would that be fucked up with somebody with somebody with that? Okay, I had my last relationship.
Starting point is 00:17:28 He shared with me that he thought that one of the kids that was his might not be his child. Ouch. So then in an argument, it was something about the kids. And I said, that ain't your fucking kid anyway. Whoa. And that was, that was a... Whoa. That's an example.
Starting point is 00:17:47 What happened? Whoa. What was the argument? No, no, no, no. What happened? He broke up with you immediately. No, he did not. But he said, I would rather you call me.
Starting point is 00:17:55 a fuck nigga than say what you said. I would rather you say things like that because I don't cuss men I don't call them bitches and like things like that. I thought you can feel when he said that. I felt bad.
Starting point is 00:18:08 You know, I felt bad and I wish I could take it back but once you say something you know, you get rid of a bud. That's right. That's right. So, I mean, that was a growing thing for me. You know, I learned like,
Starting point is 00:18:17 don't cut so low, Tam. But now I just need a man to try it with. Like, let me try not to cut you. You know? Well, hopefully after this podcast, you might can find somebody. Yeah. Maybe. I'm not, I don't want to find someone.
Starting point is 00:18:32 I want them to find me. Mm. Mm. That's the best way to look at it. That's the best way to look at it. White guys, I'm telling you. Y'all want to get into some positively brilliant? What a fucking idiot.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Can we just talk about Simone Biles already or DeBaby? Let's just talk about it. Let's go. Let's start. Let's start. What do you think? Let's call Simone Biles. Simone Biles.
Starting point is 00:18:50 I have a question to you. Who do you think went through more pressure in their life? in their professional career, Michael Jordan or Simone Bowles. And this question seems stupid on the surface. But I don't think it's that stupid when you think about the climate now. Who went through more pressure in their professional careers?
Starting point is 00:19:12 That's a great question. I don't know because, I mean, probably Jordan's, I mean, it depends, right? Because it's different levels. When you say professional NBA, I'm going to say NBA. Michael Jordan's first seven years probably was hell. You know what I mean? And he even said he had to,
Starting point is 00:19:25 to get physically and mentally tougher. He said that's why he put on 25 pounds of muscle and to beat the Detroit Pistons, he had to get mentally tougher. And then once he got into that mind state, we've probably never seen a will like this in any sport ever. He did not lose at all. But he also had to take a break.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Yes, he did, Charlie. When his father got killed, because that was too mentally and emotionally draining for him. And not only that, He had won three in a row. And I think he had a conversation with himself, which was, I know what it will take for me to do four. I don't want to play this game and not win. I don't think I have what it takes right now with everything going on in order to do four.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I have to remove myself. Now, I'm not capping for Simone here. But what I am doing is taking what she said at face value, which is, because people are starting have this conversation like, is it selfish? Is it brave? And fuck them people. Okay, and just to keep everybody, like, abrasive what's going on.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Basically, she pulled out of the group event and gymnastics. And now she pulled out of the individual overall as well. You play a clip out. And so, and people are going, oh, this is incredibly selfish. I don't think it's selfish if, but I don't think it's brave. So, like, there's two things going on here. Selfish is wrong because if you're injured and you compete on your team and your injury causes you to play worse and take your team down.
Starting point is 00:20:55 That's selfish to me. It is. You know what I mean? Like if you're playing makes your team worse, but you just want the glory, now you're being selfish. You know what's so crazy about what you just said? It's not crazy because it's accurate.
Starting point is 00:21:07 When you're physically hurt, people want you to go out there and mentally lift your team just by being out there. They think your presence just being out there and you pushing through will mentally lift the other team. That's what they say.
Starting point is 00:21:19 You will your team to win. So they want you to go out there and add give the rest of the team the mental aspect. It do, though. To push through. It do though. When you go out there, you got hurt ribs or something like you go out there,
Starting point is 00:21:31 you're playing, will play harder for you because they know that team base. And that's true. It's something that does happen. I'm forgetting this. The dude, the New York league. Was it Willis Reed? Yeah, Willis Reed when he came limping out.
Starting point is 00:21:42 His knee was fucked up. Your whole team going to rally around you. They're going to really go hard. Yeah. 100%. In some places. But isn't hers like she's an individual sport, though.
Starting point is 00:21:50 No, it's individual and team. Yeah. Well, so, so yeah, it's individual. The thing you do. but all the scores, I guess, get combined for the team thing. So you're fucking up. You're going to hold back the other people, right? So I understand that.
Starting point is 00:22:03 But I am taking what she's saying as truth. Like she was mentally unfit. She's like, I'm going through some mental shit that's not allowing me to do the physical shit that I need to do to be myself and help my team. So I don't think that's selfish. Respect. There is bravery in facing the scrutiny after making that decision. So that, I understand, is being brave.
Starting point is 00:22:24 But I don't think there's anything brave about going, I'm not able to handle the pressure of this moment, even though that pressure is immense. Well, guess what? She didn't say she's brave. Yeah, other people would say. Other people would say, yeah, yeah. All she did was tell people her story, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:22:38 Yeah. I'm going to tell you something. I respect there so much because I'm 43 years old, and I just got to the point in my life where I tell people, no. Because it's been times I'm not showing up just because I'm starting to have a panic attack. You know what I mean? I've been sitting at the airport. I remember one time, and I think I told you all this before,
Starting point is 00:22:57 every flight was canceled because of a snowstorm. Every single fucking flight, except for my flight to L.A. I sat at that terminal and caught a panic attack so bad. I'm like, I'm not going. And I was supposed to go shoot at Mac Miller's house. God bless the dead. Me and Nesta for MTV too.
Starting point is 00:23:13 I said, I'm not going. I didn't tell MTV that I was having a panic attack because I wasn't speaking about that shit back then. I was just let them know, like, man, I'm not coming. I'm not, you know, I can't, I can't do it. I want to stay home. It's a snowstorm. It's a blizzard, blah, blah, blah. So for her to be that age, to have the language to be able to express that and the education to know what it is she's experiencing and to let people know I'm not doing X, Y, and Z because of my mental health.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I wish I had that 20s. Now, here's my question. Did she put some of this on herself? As far as what? I saw her walking around with sandals that had the goat on them. I saw her with a leotard that had the goat in rhinestones. You know, she was asked in an interview once, like, can anybody beat you? She's like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Like, she was definitely leaning into her own greatness, which I love. I think we all love. We love to see Floyd Mewell or at least I do calling himself the best ever. I think it's exciting for us to see these larger-in-life characters live up to that. That being said, there's a pressure that comes with it. Okay? And you're adding more pressure on to that moment. and if it's pressure that makes you not live up to the moment,
Starting point is 00:24:25 do you have to take some accountability for adding to that pressure? But we're assuming that she feels that way because of sports. We don't know what got her mentally exhausted. We have no idea. We don't know what's going on in her personal life. And it's none of our business. We don't know what's going on in her personal life. We don't know what's going on in her family.
Starting point is 00:24:44 We don't know what made her take a step back. She could be pregnant. Oh, God. Well, yo, honestly, I was having that conversation. We have that conversation on Flavor, right? It's not pregnant, but think about it. You've achieved everything you need to achieve. You're the goat, right?
Starting point is 00:24:58 People recognize you as the goat. You're not going to be any more goaded by doing well in this Olympics. You're already the coat. So you can't be, the only person you could be is yourself. We don't believe that gymnastics is a high-risk sport. Like, we just don't think of it that way. I think dudes. But, like, you could land on your fucking head and really fuck yourself up.
Starting point is 00:25:18 And gymnastics is one of the illest sports. Yeah, but we don't. thing is just like people four feet tall doing it. Anything I can't do. Anything I know I can't do like that? I'm just saying we don't view it as dangerous. Like when I see gymnasts do some shit, I'm like, oh, that's kind of crazy. But they're so little if they fail enough to happen.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Yeah, I'd be in the air doing all of this. I'm like, how's she going to land? Yeah, but it's soft. Like, that's what I tell myself. I see her doing it on a mound the other day. She was about to pitch a ball and she just did a screw. Did a backflip. What the fuck is that?
Starting point is 00:25:46 No, that was a screw. That was some wild shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was unbelievable. I'm shocked. I don't know what backhand touch and stuff are. I ain't say backhand touch and I got a daughter. Do y'all feel the same way about Naomi and Saka?
Starting point is 00:25:56 Same exact way. Listen, anybody with mental health issues, you can't tell people why they are mentally exhausted. I know for a fact, I don't like to be around anything or anybody that mentally exhausts me, and I don't like to be around anything or anybody when I'm mentally exhausted.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah. But I'm literally just at the point where we can even have that conversation where people understand that language. Right. That's part of the job. mental exhaustion is part of the job. And the people that can handle that mental exhaustion better than anybody else
Starting point is 00:26:24 are going to be the ones that excel at that job. And I feel like we're in a situation where our brains haven't caught up to what we've created. Like we created this social media shit, right? Like we created this shit where you could comments on me any second of the day where you can write a story about me, judge me, where all these different things are about me. And you're talking about right now the most recognizable athlete at the Olympics. I don't count the NBA stars because they're not Olympians.
Starting point is 00:26:49 there, the hired guns. This is an Olympic sport. Nobody gives a fuck about gymnastics outside the Olympics, and then when they do, I can only name one person in the Olympics outside of NBA players, and that is Simone Biles. I don't know a single full name of another Olympia. I know too.
Starting point is 00:27:02 But in that crazy? I know Simone Biles, and I know Raven Sanders, because she's from Charleston, South Carolina, the 8-4-3. How does she do in the shot put today, by the way? Oh, yeah, I know Gwen Barry. Who's Gwen Barry? The girl who turned away from the aunt.
Starting point is 00:27:16 They made a whole fucking thing about that. And I know the women's, play. I know Asia Wilson because she's also from Columbia to 8.10. Sure. But you understand what I'm saying. She's under immense pressure. Absolutely. She's a star. That's what I'm saying. Jordan didn't have to go through that. Jordan had the newspaper. He had Sports Center at night and that's it. You could
Starting point is 00:27:31 turn your phone off. You don't see shit. This girl getting texts in articles every five seconds. Not only that, she probably got 10 different deals signed, sealed, delivered. If she wins the all around again, Nike's going to cut her this check. And her agent and her family that works for her gets a piece of that.
Starting point is 00:27:49 all these people are about to make so much fucking money off this one person as long as she excels. And that shit, I understand, is gone. I saw her say that. I don't know if this was recent, but I read that. I don't even know if that shit was real. But she said she feels like she's doing it for everybody except for her. Yep. I respect.
Starting point is 00:28:08 How can you not respect that? And for everything you said, everything you just said is the reason I respected even more. Because she's at the top. She's got all of this to gain. And she unplogrose. and took a step back because she wasn't feeling like she was where she needed to be mentally and emotionally. I respect the fuck out of me. I don't.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Especially working so hard. I don't respect. I don't respect it within the confines of the sport because that's part of the sport. I respect her as a human being and I empathize what she's going through. But I also recognize that that immense pressure is what you got to deal. Like if the president just goes, I'm feeling shitty today. I'm not going to be present. We can be like, hey, back to work.
Starting point is 00:28:45 He probably does feel like that all the time. He just stays home and don't get on Twitter and tell everyone. This president, definitely. I don't fucking take all the time he was. But you understand what I'm saying? Like there are certain positions you can't just be like sad and then stay home. I remember. But who decided gymnastics was one of them?
Starting point is 00:29:01 It's not except for one week out of the year or out of every four years. It's like one week out of every four years, you got to have your shit together no matter what's going on. Mental health all this time. Exactly. You got to spend the other four years getting your shit ready for that one week. And if there are things that are bothering you, you got to make sure you weed those out. And I think the greats find ways to do that. The great's focus on these things.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Easier said than done because we, like, when players have bad games now, we don't know why they have bad games. You know what I'm saying? We just like, oh, he had an off night. We don't know what, you know what I think about? I think about when LeBron was playing the Celtics that year. And everybody was like, what the fuck is wrong with Brown?
Starting point is 00:29:36 And you've held that against him. You've been, yeah, he's mentally weak. He don't got it. No, but I thought about it this morning. I'm like, yo, what? Because that was when everybody would say it was that rumor about the latte. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:46 And I'm like, yo, we don't know how that might have been impacting Braun at the time. Oh, we do know. But no, I'm saying I don't know. But I'm just saying that's what the rumor was. And we saw him play and something was clearly off. So think about that every time you see a player have an off game. Yeah, some, sure, some people just have off nights. Some people just mentally might not, their head may not be in the game.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Coach you just stayed all the time, get your head in the game. What do you think that mean? I'm talking about somebody might be pregnant or something like that. Get your head in the game means mentally. So the pregnancy shit, get your head in the game. The reason why this shit made sense to me is like if she's already to go, right, she's probably playing her future. I think she's 24 years old.
Starting point is 00:30:24 She might have a boyfriend, right? And she's like, yo, this is my last Olympics. I know my life has been crazy. After this, let's get married. Let's have some fucking kids. Yo, when you start thinking about what you could lose, like you're about to do this vault, you can land your neck. No more kids.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Yo, I love humans. This is why social media is what it is. Why? Because think about all of these. these different narratives, y'all done made up. Made up, right. You know what I'm saying? Y'all just made up a whole bunch of narratives
Starting point is 00:30:52 simply because she said, she don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. That's a, by the way. You never thought about this? Like, you go on, like, cliff jumping or some shit with your friends and then you think about all the success you got and I'm like, am I about to fucking die?
Starting point is 00:31:05 Well, Kevin Hart just did that when they told Kevin how he could go to space. And Kevin was like, I'm not, Kevin was like, no, I got kids. I'm living too good. Yeah. I got a career. Sure. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:31:14 But in this situation, I just don't. I don't know. But I just think that sometimes when a person says, I don't want to do it, that should be enough. Solomon, you go cliff jumping now? Hell no. That's my point. So you're telling me, if somebody's in the hospital and a doctor just said, I just don't want to do it. How much more you think they got, how much person do they got? Please, doctor, if your head ain't in the game, don't operate on me.
Starting point is 00:31:36 No, I hear what you say. Right. If it's your, nobody operate on me. Somebody got to do it. Get your head into this shit. Who else going to be in her place? Nobody's going on her place. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:31:45 But guess what? Heart surgery and gymnastics are not the same thing. So in her mind, she knows this shit ain't as important as what's going on in my life. Yeah, ain't a bike going to die. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. It's not a life or death situation. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:58 It's not a life or death situation. It is a silly thing. We just make these people jump up and down and do fucking, like, flip-flips. Listen, I reserve the right to say fuck that shit. But not. Wax, no. I'll be, I'll get to the door. I'm like, I ain't going.
Starting point is 00:32:13 We out. Yeah, we should normalize it. We out. But if it was a massive event, it was something really important, you would show up. Bullshit. Man. That was my favorite to pull out on it. Nah, but if there's a big...
Starting point is 00:32:25 Because you pull out on the big ones, they know, boy, he don't bullshit. He ain't going to be that. That's the ones you pull out on. You don't wait a little so small-ass. I can miss that one. You pull out on the big joint. But what if it's like a movie, your movie about your life and you're playing you and you got to show up to shoot?
Starting point is 00:32:42 You're just going to not show up? Well, it's different. You made it sound like the movie. was already shot. No, I'm saying it's something that you need to be there for. It really just depends, though. I'm going to be honest with you. It depends.
Starting point is 00:32:53 By the way, a movie is easier to do. You know why a movie is easy to do? Because I'm acting. If I can go there and act happy. You know what I'm saying? It might even take my mind off the bullshit that's going on. And you can't be pregnant. Man, what is wrong?
Starting point is 00:33:06 What is that? But you just have to think what she must be going through to make this decision. It has to be something huge, you know? Yeah, she's probably going through some stuff and she's got tons of pressure, but at the same time, it's like your job to prepare yourself for this pressure you're about to go through, right?
Starting point is 00:33:21 Like, if you're going to assume the responsibility of being the goat, if you're going to lean into being the goat, and that is who you want to identify as, you know, like, I keep thinking about Tom Brady, bro, like, Tom Brady going to the fucking Patriots had everything to lose, bro. Like, everything to lose, bro.
Starting point is 00:33:37 Sorry, sorry, sorry, leaving a Patriots, he had everything to lose, he had everything to lose, bro. Like, he's playing hot with house money. Nah, because think about it, If he goes there and loses, everybody gets to say, oh, he's just a system quarterback. He needs Belichick to win. He can't win without.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Well, well, it's a debate. It would have been a debate more so than anything. And now the debate is over. He took it and he basically squashed his biggest hater. You can't hate on me anymore. Well, I think Michael Jordan is a great example. Michael wasn't any less of a goat because he took a mental and emotional break because his pops just got killed.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Absolutely. You know what I mean? Plus, we knew, though. We knew it was his father and stuff. Nobody knows what was going over. See, that's the, that right day what Wax said is the problem. When we don't know, we have to make ourselves feel better. That's why we talking all this shit right?
Starting point is 00:34:22 It's the same thing with Chappelle. Why would Chappelle walk away for 50 minutes? You don't know what he was going to. Why would Andre 3,000 walk away? We don't know what they were going to do. Why would Lauren Hill do? We don't know. We can always say what we would do, but none of us had been in that situation.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And then once that comes out, everything starts to make a lot more sense. We just want to know because for everything you just named, she's the goat, she got all these endorsements that could have come, all this money she could have made. why would you walk away from that? I don't care what the reason is. I respect it because I know what she walked away from. And it don't make her no less of the go.
Starting point is 00:34:53 We're going to see a lot more of this, you know. You're going to see a lot more of this in sports. No, we're going to see a lot more of it in life. But it's a good thing. I'm going to tell you why. If all of us for years have been saying we have to have these conversations about eradicating the stigma around mental health, right?
Starting point is 00:35:07 Now that we're in a place in our society where people feel comfortable talking about their mental health, why would we knock them? A lot of people don't know when they got mental health problems, though. They think they okay. You! That's why you're in therapy. Crying and shit now.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Stop. I ain't crying. I just, yo. What's wrong with crying? No. You want me to cry right now? Like, what you doing? Why can't be?
Starting point is 00:35:26 What did you tell me, y'all? I cried. Yes. What's wrong with crying? I'm at pre-marrial counsel. I'm not crying. Yelling is how those cry. What was wrong with crying?
Starting point is 00:35:34 I was yelling. What was you yelling about? Just yelling. I want some say-so in life. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.
Starting point is 00:35:42 Calm down. I don't think men guys say, oh, here we go. Take some deep breaths. Take some deep breaths. Men don't have say-so in life. I was just screaming, which I know is not going to happen. Men don't have say-so? Not no marriage and anything like that, no relationship.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Men are not going to have no say-so. So I get it. Why don't you have any say-so? Because if you win, you really lost because you beat her. And if you lose, you won because you let her win. Who told you that? The therapist. You learned.
Starting point is 00:36:08 I'm learning. That's a trash therapist. You knew the therapist is going to stand up for you. You need a therapist. No, you don't. Yes, you need a nice objective therapy. A nice objective therapy. So you tell you that you stand up to your girl?
Starting point is 00:36:20 Say what? Exactly. I'll tell you something. I'm going to tell you an L line. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, right? The goats, the legends, the gods, the icons. They was on Breakfast Club. Who?
Starting point is 00:36:29 Jimmy Jam and Terry. Don't be disrespectful. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. I have no clue who they are. Wow. Jimmy Jammer. Where are they from? Are they Gichi?
Starting point is 00:36:36 Minnesota, Minneapolis. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, they said that, they said the reason they've never had any, argument is because when you have an argument, that means somebody wins and somebody loses. He was like, why would I want my partner to the loop? I don't want to lose. So they just communicate is what they do. That's right.
Starting point is 00:36:54 He said they have differences and they communicate their differences instead of having just arguments. I agree with that. Everything is not stupid that women say. That's a good thing to learn, Mike's. What? He's not used to being vulnerable. See, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:37:09 That therapist, peeling back them layers. That's why he's yelling and crying. That's the hard part about there. And I'm like, yo, that was healing. Yeah. You know that alone. That was back there why you even asking? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:37:21 It wasn't healing. It was just covered up. That's not. How many times I told you that? Right. But I, after we talk about it and fuck it all up and all that, why you come back up? You take the bandaid off. You clean it out.
Starting point is 00:37:32 You know what I'm saying? Because you didn't clean it before. You clean the pus off. You put some peroxide, kneels porn on it. Then you put the bandaid back on it so you can actually heal. Right. All right. But that's the hard part.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Better. Healing? No, therapy sucks, though, honestly. Oh, Tammy, you just started going to that. Yeah, I did. I don't like it. It just feels like I'm in the episode of Grey's Anatomy. That's the point!
Starting point is 00:37:53 I don't keep you living this shit over and over again. Every time, I just feel upset when I leave. That's the point. I don't like it. It's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable at first. It's gross. Being uncomfortable makes you grow. I guess being in the frying pan.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Huh? I mean, you're in a frying pan, the food won't be done unless it's cooked. What? I don't like how y'all bring it. everything back to chicken in front of white people. Why? We didn't have a night conversation. I'm saying food being cooked.
Starting point is 00:38:18 You need it well done. So you got to put in the frying pan. It got to go through the heat. That's right. That's right. That's right. For it to be good. Let's use.
Starting point is 00:38:25 I like diamonds. You got that pressure. You got that pressure. You got that pressure on that cold. I can say a lot of things. I talk about cars. I get mad. All right.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Therapy will end up being the best thing for you. You've been in therapy, right, so? Yeah. You love it, don't you? You love it? I don't like it. You know what's nice. is just talking to somebody for, you know, 30, 40, 50 minutes or whatever and not feeling judged.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Just like get it out of the system. Maybe I need to do it by myself then because I get judged. Yeah, you should. Y'all should do couples therapy and then individual therapy. No, but you know what? If you're being judged by your therapist, then yeah, maybe that's not the right one. Give the therapist you great. I wouldn't say judge.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Can you imagine this guy in front of you yelling? No, I don't mean. I wouldn't be judging. I'd be like, yeah, you got a good point. and yelling out all these waxism. I feel like I'm in, I feel like a fried chicken in the house. You know what I mean? I don't have no say on the grease that they put me in the pan with.
Starting point is 00:39:22 What? I want to be the stairwell. Exactly. I want to be the steering. I want to be the steroid. I'm a therapist and somebody yells that shit. I'm subscribing prescriptions. Like, you don't need to be, you need to be seeing a psychiatrist.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Great thing that I do, like, I bring like props and stuff. Like, I put things. around and I got to hear this. This is great. What is the props? I bring all a bunch of stuff. Like what? Anything I just, you know, I have probably have like little cars there.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I probably have like food and try to do like half of the plate is supposed to be for us. And if I eat most of the food, I'm eventually starting eating most of yours because I'm still be hungry. You bought food to the therapist office? What you're supposed to do? People don't understand unless you like bring props and bring a knowledge. With little toy cars? So you're trying to tell a story with the food?
Starting point is 00:40:10 The props and stuff. People don't understand it. act like they, like, not paying attention. I'm like... How many happy meals did you buy that come with the toys? No, I got kids. Oh, so you just bring the... Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Yeah, I got kids and I got food. It's that easy. Yeah, I don't think that's how therapy works. I don't think you're supposed to bring the props. I don't think that's how that works. This is not a conjugal visit. Just go and talk. I'm trying to toys.
Starting point is 00:40:37 I bring condoms and shit. Like, I got one hour. Why? Why? What did the therapist say about your props? No, she, like, loved the way I break things down. Because at the end of the day, she's getting paid for every minute. So keep the fucking props.
Starting point is 00:40:51 She's just trying to keep things cautious. She's trying to stay safe. She's like, like, no sudden move. She probably tells herself, I don't want to say anything that could trigger this guy. No, no, it's good. The way I do the analogies and the props and stuff like that, you know, and like, So you're trying to explain yourself. Yeah, I'm explaining myself, but just bringing more things in.
Starting point is 00:41:06 So it's like, like, I do it for dummies, for kids. I want to do it for everybody. You know what I just want to go ahead of wide range of people when I do it. What's the last thing you explained to your therapy? Again, like I told you, I don't think everything when me say is stupid. You don't think everything with it. Say that again? Not everything.
Starting point is 00:41:25 You said that everything. Not everything. Wait, say that again, please? Because I was getting judged and I was like, that's not smart. That can't be like that. Why y'all think like that and stuff like that? And then I came to the conclusion like, you know what, you know what? everything y'all don't say is stupid.
Starting point is 00:41:41 You know what I'm saying? It was like certain things we just disagree with. Men and women got two different outlooks on certain things. Man, that is not done. Imagine going to the therapist because you've been going through life thinking that women are what we say stupid? I don't think, I wouldn't say stupid. I was just like, why would you think that?
Starting point is 00:41:59 You just said that, though. So your whole life you thought everything women said was stupid. I wouldn't say stupid. I would say like, why would you say that? Including your mom? No, it's not like that. Let me say, I said it all fucked up.
Starting point is 00:42:12 I was just saying that because I was like, that's dumb, that's done. Bus off the cars, bro. Yeah, give the move. Yeah, get the move. Listen,
Starting point is 00:42:19 my thing is, is like, women and men always arguing and all that type of stuff. So it was like, I, that's not stupid what she's saying. I understand that she got a point
Starting point is 00:42:28 because that's the way she was bored up. That's the way she moved. Her perspective. Yes, that's it. Before I was just like, that's fucking stupid. But now I'm learning that communication,
Starting point is 00:42:38 knowing that communication, knowing that that's the reason why she came like that because of how she was bored up or whatever. But that's all of us. Maybe it's not stupid. That's all of us. All of us are the product of our environments. I get it, but I relate more than men, I guess, because we went through the same things more than women. So instead of being stupid, that's just her.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Okay. Tammy, have you ever dated a guy? Have you ever dated a guy, Tammy, who every time you talked, you thought he thought you were stupid? No. Okay. No, this is different. This is new. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:07 I just think he doesn't understand that women are more guided by emotion. Yeah. Y'all are more guided by. No, I don't believe that. You don't think women are more guided by emotion? Hell, no. Men are so goddamn emotional. No, you're just more vocal about your emotion.
Starting point is 00:43:21 We're not allowed to be emotional. So it's just bottom. You're not allowed. No. Why do you say allowed? Because we don't know how to express. I was, I was, uh... Then we explode.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Well, who doesn't allow you to be emotional. You? The world. How? How? A girl will say some slick shit. Two seconds. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Why don't know. always emotional. Why'd be it? Bitch ass, nigga. Fuck nigga. Yeah. I'm talking to fucking a girl. I'm talking to one of my girls right now.
Starting point is 00:43:44 That ain't even your baby. Yeah, okay. All right. Tushay. Out. That's the reason. That's why we can't say nothing. Toughen up.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Man up. Yeah. All right. You're right. Thank you. Okay, sister. That shit felt like a setup. Okay, miss.
Starting point is 00:43:58 You're right. I'm not used to women saying you're right. She goes, you're right. You're right. You're out. So now you see what I mean? That's not stupid for what them. They do that.
Starting point is 00:44:07 The word stupid is never going to get you anywhere. No, no, no, no. That's what I want to say stupid. Andrew, please tell them again. The words calling anybody stupid is never going to get you. And don't put this behind it either. If you say you stupid, that's like I think I'm smart in that person. I don't think I'm smart than you.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Stupid and dumb is the same thing. No, it's not. What's the difference? Stupid and dumb? Stupid mean you smart. I think I'm smart than you. Dumb is just like, you're just like me. It's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:44:33 It is the same thing. I understand how he uses it different. Yeah. Dumb is just not smart. Like if I call someone dumb, they can be dumb momentarily. But if I call them stupid, you are stupid.
Starting point is 00:44:45 I'm not even capable of you. They're the same thing. I can stay. I would think they're interchangeable. No way. That guy's dumb. You know why I think dumb is worse? A couple of seconds.
Starting point is 00:44:55 I think dumb is worse because you can call somebody a dummy. You don't call nobody stupid. No, you can be stupid. Dummy is a person. I'm going to add another wrinkle that makes things even more difficult. That's some dumb-ass shit you just did. That's some dumb-ass shit. But that's some stupid that shit
Starting point is 00:45:07 I'm only going to call you a dumb bitch If I'm with you, I call you a dumb bitch That's like Black people Call you stupid if you're funny That's some stupid That's stupid But don't say that dumb dude
Starting point is 00:45:20 You're stupid Bro No they'll say dumb dude right You're so dumb Yeah You say that dumb ass shit Get out of here That is I say that
Starting point is 00:45:29 I say Andrew's so goddamn stupid I'm excited So imagine me at therapy saying that That's all I'm saying So if y'all can say it, why the fuck can I say it? Yeah, but that's different, though. But the context is different.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I don't mean, I am not, I'm not saying they're stupid. They're not trying to be funny. They try to be serious and you're, man, yeah, you're stupid. Like, that's what I'm saying. No, because you could be smart and stupid. Comedians are the most smartest, stupidest people alive. Right. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:45:53 They say smart shit. That's super funny, but you're like, woman. Why the fuck would he say that stupid shit right now? So you think women are like that. Women is just like that. And they know they get away with it. And they know they're going to get away with it because of a joke. women are they going to get away because of their woman.
Starting point is 00:46:08 So they get to say all that type of shit that we cannot say at all. You get out of here. This is what I tell wax all the time. Wax will get upset because he can't, you know, get his way with a woman. Can't. And I'm like, well, maybe if you stop calling her a dumb bitch. Oh, no. I wouldn't, I wouldn't cooperate with you.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Wait. Does that what you're doing? You're going to say Charlotte. What is wrong with you today? Is that what you're doing? You know, this guy's so crazy. Why? I lie.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Why? I lie. You got another alley-up then. If it's not the last one. I'm not going to go too deep in it. This is a serious situation. You're not out here calling women dumb bitches. Listen, I'm going to tell you this right now.
Starting point is 00:46:47 If you deserve to get called a dumb bitch, if I think that's what you are, especially at that time, you might get called that. But I don't walk in a room and call nobody a dumb bitch. If I needed to call you that, I'm around a lot of woman. And if I called you that probably. Call the therapist right now. We need more therapy sessions. So you think that I go around to call people dumb bitches?
Starting point is 00:47:03 But that's what you make a people think, though. Okay, let me rephrase. Thank you. Not all women, one in particular. All right, but if I think you did some wild shit to me when I say, fuck you, you're not a woman to me no more. You're a person. But if you're trying to get this person, it could be a man and woman.
Starting point is 00:47:19 But if you're trying to get this person to get on the same page with you, dumb bitch ain't going to ever watch. No. Dumb bitch is not very effective. No. It's not when I'm like, let's see me and my girl are like argument over something. You ever have, you ever have a happen where like, it becomes less about the thing you're arguing
Starting point is 00:47:35 more about winning or scoring points. Yep, that's what I, who can argue over there. That's why you should argue. We're not even upset about that little shit. We left that a long, long time ago. Yeah, now we just trying to see who wins. Like, that shit is stupid to win.
Starting point is 00:47:47 And then maybe taking some, like, time away from it so you guys can come back, like, objectively to it. But to what are you earlier said, like, I think if your girl or anybody's girl does something wrong to you, I don't think it's okay to just be like, okay, you're right just to avoid the fight. Yeah, but don't call them a,
Starting point is 00:48:03 No, no, can't say dumb bitch. Alex, pull up a never win through argument. Sometimes that is okay, though. What you mean? They just let them be right. No. Not if they do something that is that you don't like or you find like rude or disrespectful because now you're allowing them to treat you in a way that doesn't make you happy.
Starting point is 00:48:19 And women shouldn't let us get away with that either. Like sometimes I'm not even trying to do something that bothers my girl. But if that behavior bothers her, right? Like I could be like, yo, I'm sorry, bother you. That wasn't my intent. But like, I'm going to keep that in mind so that I don't have relationships. with you is constantly contentious. I'm not even trying.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Law number nine in the 48 laws of power. Went through your actions, never through argument. Any momentary trying if you think you have gained through argument is really a pirate victory. The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. So that's why what you say is wrong. But let's just discuss our, we can discuss our differences. We don't have to argue.
Starting point is 00:48:59 I'm not trying to win yada, yada, yada, you tell me what's the problem. I tell you what's my problem. problem. Let's try to meet in the middle on a solution. I agree with you. I think that's a good thing. I think it's harder. Easier said than done. Like, for sure. All right, at least for me is this. Like, I don't have a,
Starting point is 00:49:15 it's easy for me to apologize if I fucked up. Like, I'm not one of these people who can't apologize. I think my pops put that shit into me dumb early. Like, apologizing is like the right thing to do, et cetera. So like, very wise thing to do. In the moment, it might take a second, but afterwards, I'll be like, yo, my bad.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Very wise thing to do. I can do it. So, I think that's one of those things where like I also expect that of you because I know it might not be that day but a few hours later the next day I'm going to be like I fucking regret that my bad and I am sorry. So I also want that from you. You're absolutely right. Andrew. Girls don't have to do that.
Starting point is 00:49:50 No, they do. That's not true. They don't have to do that. One more take things from a grave. If I come to you man to man, you cannot lie to me. But if a woman come to you, you have to lie. If you're a girl, your boy girl come to you. right? Yeah. And he's like, you were him, you could actually lie to her. But if a guy
Starting point is 00:50:07 come to you, like, you fucking my girl and you lie to him, you could, come on. So what? You can lie to a woman, but you can't lie to a man. I'm just saying, Bob, we just all did. I don't know what the fuck we was doing that for. We just used to do it. Do what? Just lie to women. I don't know. What are you telling me? But I'm just saying, like, what's going on? I'm just saying, you all my whole life. You know what I'm saying? Shitwaxed head just knack up, but you're the only person that tell him. I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm you know. You know, if your boy comes to you and your boy's a survival
Starting point is 00:50:33 mode. Every time you look at him, listen, you turn your head like this, I can hear his voices start speed up and show me, shit fuckers. Listen, you know. One of your boys, your boy would be like, yo, I'm going out with this girl and my girl call you, whatever the case. You know, that happened to you before. That's what I'm saying. So you lie for your friends is what you're saying. I'm sure we all lie for our friends before. Which one of your friends lied to you and said that sure fit?
Starting point is 00:51:03 This is my arm. You're out here Bill like, bam, bam, baby. But you know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. No, you don't know what he's saying. Why do you keep acting like you speak back? I do.
Starting point is 00:51:17 I don't understand. If a guy come to you and say, yo, you fucking my girl, he has to man up and say he had to tell the truth. He cannot lie to another man. He can't. He can lie. He can lie.
Starting point is 00:51:29 He can lie. He can lie. He can lie. Why would I tell the truth? No, no, he can't lie, but I think what you're trying to say is that, like, if you already know that that person is doing that, you're not really asking them a question. You're not asking them. He already knows. The man comes to you, you kind of get away with him, like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:51:46 You know what you're your boy at? I don't know. Y'all's expecting you from other people. Yeah, that's what he said. That's Lisa earlier. Which, Charlie is not a bad expectation. No. Treat others how you want to be treated, right?
Starting point is 00:51:58 But you'll always be disappointed. That is, see, that's a problem. It's like, it's not wrong to. feel that way, but if that's how you go throughout life and you're not allowing each person to beat themselves and have their little idiosyncrasies and make them operate different, you don't be fucked up in every interaction. You got to understand what I'm going to take. That's what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:52:14 That's not cool. Yeah. I don't expect me from other people because I've been disappointed so many times in my life. So you're because of everybody? No, I don't expect nothing. I do things because I genuinely want to do them. And I know that at the end of the day, God's not judging me based off how other people treat me. He's judging me based off how I treat people.
Starting point is 00:52:30 That's it. You know what's interesting is like, Like sometimes I'll get into with my girl. It's not even an argument, but I basically tell her, don't. How do I say? Like, we each do different things for the relationship. Don't count some shit that I do more than you. Let's say I'm paying for a rent or whatever the fuck, right?
Starting point is 00:52:49 Don't count that shit more than you taking care of some things of the house, designing these things, maybe book it. Like, don't count one more because I don't want us to keep score. Yeah. Just say we both do things. And as long as we're both happy with the things that we're doing, I'm okay. Because you're never going to hear me go, well, I do all this.
Starting point is 00:53:06 What are you doing? So, do you realize how evolved? You realize there's a man how evolved that thinking is? Why? Because most men don't think like that. That's right. A lot of us, we feel like we're the ones that's providing the money. It's our money that's paying the bill.
Starting point is 00:53:20 So we look at women taking care of kids, women taking care of the house. That's way hard. That's nothing. That's their job. That's way hard. I don't look at it like it's nothing. I look at like we all have responsibilities. That's right.
Starting point is 00:53:30 And as long as that responsibility isn't making you feel in comfort. Like if I felt wild uncomfortable taking care of like the the home and the bills, if I felt fit like uncomfortable about it, I would have to have a conversation with her and be like, hey, I'd like you to contribute more. Just like if she felt uncomfortable taking care of some of the stuff from the house, she would have to be like, hey, I need you to help out with the dog or I need you to help it. And she has. She's like, yo, I need you to help out.
Starting point is 00:53:51 You know, I even matter of fact, when we were moving to a new place and we were looking in new places, like we're looking at places that, you know, we're a decent amount of money. And I had to say, I was like, I need to know if you like this enough to contribute. like would you value this place so much that you would take some money out? And when she was like, yeah, I would, I was like, you don't have to, but I needed to know that you cared that much. You know what I feel comfortable. Now I got your back.
Starting point is 00:54:18 That's what she's telling you. But yeah, I think, I don't know. I think that's how you guys have always been. We've always spoken about that on a podcast. Like you never press your girl about you being a breadwinner or some shit. But men do that a lot. A lot. That's corny though.
Starting point is 00:54:28 That's whack. That's horny. As long as the woman's not just sitting on her ass doing fucking. Nothing. Yeah. I'm going TikTok videos all day. Yeah. I actually have to.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Posting TikTok videos. I actually have to get better at what you talked about because I have to, like, I think that what women do is harder. Yes. Oh, so you don't think you're contributing enough. No, I think I'm contributing, but I just think what women do is harder. I think taking care of the kids holding down the house being, I think that's way harder. It's way more of a responsibility than what I do, but maybe I need to get on that level
Starting point is 00:55:00 where it's just like equal. Yeah. I want to say, I want to say harder. Equal footing, but also, like, of equal importance to self. Like, if that, if contributing that way makes you happy, who am I to say that you're not doing enough? If I'm comfortable with your contribution and you're happy doing it, we've reached a good place.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Yeah, that's it. And if there's some shit neither of us want to do, then we hire a motherfucker to do that. Yeah, men ain't going to. Well, you sound like somebody with money. Not every relationship is like that. 100% 100%. I'm in a very fortunate situation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:37 But if you're not, you guys got to find the balance between it. And that's just what it is. Or you've got to find someone that fills those gaps. That's the hard part. You got to find somebody that you got to find somebody that love to do what you hate to do. Boom. That's it. Like,
Starting point is 00:55:50 I don't like the way that sounds. No, but it's not. I mean, that's, it helps so much. You need a point guard. You need a, you need somebody with rebounds. You don't need two people doing rebounds. That could be watching the kids. What you mean?
Starting point is 00:56:02 That sounds crazy to say I hate being with my kids. No, no, no, no, no. You hate watching them. No, no, no. It's different than my kids, though. No, no, no. Watching them is different than being with them. Like the other day, I was in the pool.
Starting point is 00:56:14 I can't do it either. And I had my two youngest in the pool with me. And my wife was like, I'm going upstairs. And I'm like, oh, you're going. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, man, fuck them kids though. No, no, no, no. No, no.
Starting point is 00:56:26 You're not. It's bad at this. Too much everybody King Williams. Don't listen to me. No, no. It's never fuck the kids. Like yesterday, she went to sleep early and I had the kids and I'm like, the baby is cool. King is good.
Starting point is 00:56:38 But the baby, I can't do nothing with the baby. When do I turn this off? That's the truth, though. What do I do? Like if he's hungry, I can't feed him. I don't have a breast. I don't, like, if he gets a certain age, oh, that's cool. We all day.
Starting point is 00:56:52 You want to look for your kids now. Yeah, yeah. But now with the little baby, I cannot do this. I go to work for two weeks straight. You can do it. You can. Before I do this for two hours. And if we have, I'm at the...
Starting point is 00:57:01 See, that's not fair, though. Has not fair. She needs a break. She needs to help in that way. People who come, she got... I called the nanny because I was tired the other day. Listen, please.
Starting point is 00:57:11 There's a lot of... No way. I can't do it. Yeah, this is rich people. I want y'all to know, this is a lot of rich people don't have... I call the nanny. Yeah, like, sometimes she needs you to do it.
Starting point is 00:57:18 What we're describing right now, though, is why, like, marriage between culture within the same culture often works is because there's established roles for the male and female on the relationship and those roles fit together like a puzzle piece. Now, I know it's antiquated to say something like, a woman has to do this or a man has to do that, right?
Starting point is 00:57:38 Like my pop's worked for my mom's business, right? So it's like I didn't grow up in that specific household. But it is why it works. Like you guys into a relationship, if you have like a religious or cultural background, it's like, hey, this is what we expect a woman to do in the household. And it's what we expect a man do in household. I don't mind to know their roles.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Oh, it's amazing. But that's changing. So much now. Why is it changing? But here's the thing. It's changing. Because women are out here. It's not changing, but it's evolving.
Starting point is 00:58:02 It's evolving. You need that. With that evolution, there's some problems. Keep the base. Now you got two people going into a relationship with expectations from the other person ain't going to meet up. The dude's going to go, you know what? I don't want to be the breadwinner.
Starting point is 00:58:14 I want to stay home kicking with the kids. And the girls like, you know what? I want to do that too. So how are we going to figure this shit out? Two point guards. You can't help me. And then I need you to cook. And he's like, no, you stay, you cook.
Starting point is 00:58:27 You go to work and come home and cook. And you're at home. No. You cook, motherfucker. You know what's wild? And this is some more have some talk that's a little bit. But we was in Kabul. And my wife had went to go, like, do some, like, souvenir shopping.
Starting point is 00:58:44 So I was at the place with the kids, right? And so the homie text me, right? And it was a, you know, a fuck a text me, right? And she was like, hey, you know, where you at? Why you come down to the weather, and I'm like, oh, I said, when my wife gets back because I'm watching the kids right now. And she texted me back and she was like, wow. She was like, men watching the kids.
Starting point is 00:59:05 She was like, time sure have changed. I'm so happy to hear that. And I'm like, wow. Wait, my, my, wife. Relax. My life is amazing. Relax, young king. You're Illuminati, bro.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I mean, a lot of fathers watch the kids because a lot of people not together. You know what I'm saying? I think you threw up white power. That could have been a blood. That could have been a proud boy. Yeah, that's proud boy. Men and black. Now, a lot of fathers watch kids, though.
Starting point is 00:59:35 A lot of fathers watch kids now. I mean, a lot of fathers watch kids because a lot of they're not with the parents. They're not together all the time. So a lot of the fathers do watch kids. Well, watching kids sound crazy. I don't even like, yeah, I don't like the term watching your kids. They're your kids. Spending time with your family.
Starting point is 00:59:51 That's what we call. I mean, like I said, when they're wham-wham, that's really for the mom. That sounds wild too, though. Spending time with your family? What else would you be doing? Working. How about being home? Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:00:05 We're not home. Like, when were men home, bro? Like, you work 12 hours a day, you go fucking hunt for two weeks straight. Like, there's no home. You go to war. Like, with this recent history is gonna just home all the time.
Starting point is 01:00:16 But it's the same for women too now. Women always used to be home. Yeah, but now we're working. And now you're pissed. Yeah, we are. We are pissed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You want a guy to take care of you.
Starting point is 01:00:25 You want that. You want the structure. Nothing wrong with this structure. I promise you. That's what you want. I don't want anybody to take care of me per se, but I would. Yeah, you're right. I do.
Starting point is 01:00:33 Yeah, man. I'm tired of this shit. I'm not a feminist. Take care of me. Isn't it lit to be taken care of? Isn't it kind of dope? I don't know. But wouldn't you like to entertain it?
Starting point is 01:00:45 To have a partner. You do realize we like being taken care of too. Oh, yeah. What does that mean? Does that mean financially? I think Ebony K. Williams broke it down the best I've ever heard. And when she said, I will be the curator at a house. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:00:57 They can take care of the house. I make sure you got home-cooked meals, hot food. She said, I will take care of kids. I take care of your kids, meaning even if you got some other kids, I have your clothes. She was like, but I don't want to pay no bills. Right. I don't want to have to work.
Starting point is 01:01:11 That's sound good to me. That shit was amazing. I would have three hot meals on the table. Every time if you're doing all of that. And I know I'm the point guard. And I know I got to throw the alley to you. Why the fuck if I'm the guy who's supposed to get the rebounds? And I'm over throwing alley you to the point guard.
Starting point is 01:01:24 That's not cool. I don't know what that is. Know your rules. I don't know what that. that means. I'm sorry. That's what the therapist says the same shit all the time. Andrew, you don't understand what I'm saying? Thank you. You break it down in a way that I can... If you're a point guard, you need to throw an all of you to a guy, I can dunk the ball.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Thank you. So if you got another point guard, you're just going to be throwing alibus to each other, nobody's going to dunk too. But point guards can dunk too. We understand that, but they usually don't be the dunk. With the metaphor, like, you don't want to see Chris Paul dunk, right? You want to see... Johnis. Yeah. You want Johnis to dunk the ball? You want Chris Paul to throw it to him. But you expect Janus to dunk, right? That's what I'm saying. expectation. So you expect the woman. Okay, I get what you say. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:02:01 It's all good. All you got to do is be a little dumb. Yeah. You're overthinking it, bro. It's just over thinking. Be a little dumb sometimes, Doc. So you want to pass the ball to your girl so she can dunk it is what you're saying? Or if you want her to pass you the ball. If I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, John is I'm supposed to be the one dunking the basketball, doing all the dirty work and stuff like that, being down there and doing it. I got to do it on downstairs. You know, she's supposed to be up there dribbling the ball and make sure everything good. Yeah, I actually think the, though, you're saying the woman is the point guard, right? Woman's the point guard at all the time. She's the head. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:02:32 She makes sure everything is good. We make sure we do all the dirty work. We go to work. We make sure the lane is clear for her to come in and drive and score points for us. Not all the dirty world, though. No, I mean, we do most of the dirty work, bro. You ain't changing no diaper. But that's traditional gender roles.
Starting point is 01:02:46 But we got to make that. No, that's her scoring points, though. Her changing, her cooking, be able to cook. This will have all the dirty work since you get the money for the food. Our jobs got too easy. Now, I'm not saying. what we do is easy, but it looks easy. Like, if I ever post on my story
Starting point is 01:03:00 of what's happening at the studio, my girl thinks I'll never get any work done ever. She's like, what? Fucking around, you're shooting basketball playing. Boxing wet, T's and Alex. Like, we don't, we just play games for them. We just with Charlotte all day. Exactly. Yeah, that's all you did.
Starting point is 01:03:14 You just hung out with Charlotte all day. Like you did nothing, right? So I think what happens is like when that's the perspective, it's easy to think what you do as a woman is much harder. Back in the day, when you were working in a fucking coal mine, you think the wife ever complained about what you did at work?
Starting point is 01:03:33 You know what I'm saying? Yes. No. Yes. No. This shit ain't just thought happening. No. It just,
Starting point is 01:03:39 feminism just popped up after coal mines. No. They closed the coal mines and then feminists started talking that shit. No why? Somebody had a bigger house than her. No. So she got pissed off. I promise you, bro.
Starting point is 01:03:50 But she also wasn't at work at all, you know? Who was? The woman whose husband was in the coal mine. She was always at home. That's the thing. Yeah, these women are working every day. They have to do everything that you're doing and still come home and take care of kids.
Starting point is 01:04:03 But why you think that? You think that these people came home from the coal mines and the wife didn't bless you. The wife didn't say, take that shit off before you come in the house. You always come in here dirty every day. The man sitting there thinking, we're going to fucking cold mind. Let me ask you something. Do you think that woman try to go ahead and get all this money because they don't trust that the guy's going to provide a protect or beat it with them forever?
Starting point is 01:04:22 You think she'd like. Absolutely. Absolutely. We have to have our security. you know, like, especially as black women, where a lot of times we come from families where our moms were single parents, a lot of us. So we feel like we have to provide for ourselves, you know.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Even when we have a man, we still have this little safety net. So whenever you just let go as a woman, you're basically saying, I'm giving all to you and I think we're going to be together forever. We're going to make this work. It's hard to do that. It's hard to say, I trust you wholly too. Why would you say I'm not here?
Starting point is 01:04:50 Tammy bought her to make the point that you're missing, bro. Talk to me. The fact that you probably saw that happen with your mom and her relationship. So being that you're traumatized, you are just expecting this guy might not be around anyway. He might walk out. Let me go get mine.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Let me go get mine. That's a great. But then you look at certain cultures where like the dudes stay 100% they don't leave. And the women got no fear that they're going to leave, you know? Like Latin women. Which Latin women? Like Puerto Rican, bro. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:05:19 Yeah. No, mine is good. Yo, what else is Puerto Rican? Are they Latin? What else? Oh, my God. Caribbean? What else?
Starting point is 01:05:27 Black? It's something else. Ask your fiancé. I know, but no, that's... Spanish? You got so many... Okay, Spanish. Obviously Spanish from Spain.
Starting point is 01:05:35 I never heard of what you said before, though. African. Native American, Indian. Yes, the whole day... I'm about to say, you got a damn... You don't even know. Diaspora. It's the whole diaspora.
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Starting point is 01:09:11 And now let's get back to the show. The announcements are a very important part of what we do in church. All right. So, you got from church now? Yes. The infamous store. Check it out. We're in Charlotte.
Starting point is 01:09:24 A couple weeks. Oh, you should go. Oh, I will go. You live in Charlotte? Yes, I do. I'll get your tickets. Okay, great. Come out.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Bring out. Bring a nice white boy. Okay. Have a nice date. But yeah, Charlotte, come out. Dallas, Houston. We added some shows. Another one in San Francisco.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Added another one in Chicago. Add another one in Austin for the special taping. That's dope. Philly. Just go to the Andrewsholz. com. You get the full list of show. And yeah, thank you guys so much for selling out all these shows.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And it's pretty incredible. I'm excited to perform in these venues. It's going to be wild. So we're going to do some things to fill the space. It's going to be very special. Has it! Big Tor Money! Wax, you got any stretching out there?
Starting point is 01:10:05 Sir. Go get that who's wax and dispensaries in L.A. I got my gummies that's out. I gave Charlotte some. I know you're going to really like these. It's like the Delta Ace. They could go into stores. So I'm being in stores out here.
Starting point is 01:10:16 How many milligrams are there? 20 milligrams. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Eat half of that. I'm saying? Because I had somebody
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Starting point is 01:10:46 you got any trashy now, yes. You know, listen to us. We talk back. on Black Effect Network. Hey. Yeah, just tune into us every Thursday. You can find us on Apple.
Starting point is 01:10:56 You can find us on Black Effect. And anywhere you get your podcast. There you go. We Talk Back Podcast with Tam Bam and AJ. And make sure you go to BlackEffect.com. Also, Anita Copac's shallow waters will be out August 3rd. I don't know why I have a copy of the book with me. But it'll be out this Tuesday, August the 3rd.
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Starting point is 01:11:41 when it comes out on August 3rd. All right? Now, let's get back to this show. Now, we had Adam Massari. You know who Adam Massari is? I wanted to talk to you. about that. Let's discuss. So you guys had the CEO of Instagram, Adam Masseri.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Yes. I met him a couple of years ago, actually. And I love how you guys asked him about Boosey and getting his Instagram back. Boosey ain't never getting his Instagram back after what he said about Little Naz-X today. Why, what do he say? What do he say? He'll beat Little Naz-X ass. Or what? For dancing in front of men.
Starting point is 01:12:14 Exactly. Why should that matter if those men want him to dance in front of him? People just need to mind any business. But go ahead. Well, there's no male strip clubs out here, right? Yeah, there are Chippendale. Then why he not mad at them? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Yeah, exactly. Like, there's a lot of other people that Boussi could be mad at. Yes, it's silly. I don't know. You know what's so genius about what Lone A's X is doing? Is that outrage marketing is the most effective type of marketing, right? Mm-hmm. Like, that's how you get eyeballs quickest to anything because it's something people are passionate about it.
Starting point is 01:12:46 If people are passionate about something, they're going to talk about it. Mm-hmm. I don't think he's walking. he's trying to spark outrage. No, no, no, no, not necessarily. Maybe I give a little pushback there. But that being said, what's genius about what he's doing is that, like, he doesn't have to fake the thing that people are outraged by.
Starting point is 01:13:01 All these, like, political pundits that, like, lean into these positions. They may or may not really believe, but they know that it could lead to, like, dollars. But that's why they don't want to rip. Right. But Lil Nas X, the beauty of it is that the thing that people are outraged by, he actually really loves and is passionate about. But that's my point. He's living his truth.
Starting point is 01:13:16 Well, that's all my both of all point. He's living his truth. Right? Yeah. He's being who he is. And it's causing people to have strong opinions about it. That's every great everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:27 He's on the right side of history. That's right. Whether you're a pundit, sports analyst, radio personality, podcast hosts, if you have a strong opinion, right? People are going to agree. Some people are going to disagree. But as long as they have some type of strong emotion about you,
Starting point is 01:13:42 you win. 100%. That's it. 100%. It's just so, it's cool to see it work out like that. Like, we just seen all these, like, political hacks, like pretend to believe certain things because they know they could give them a career.
Starting point is 01:13:53 And it's nice to see someone be like, no, I'm gay and I'm cool with it. And then all these people, how the fuck? And they try to like, they try to fold it into all these other things. You're like the weirdest thing where they're like, oh, I'm religious and how dare he talk about the devil? And it's just like, bro, you had nothing to do with
Starting point is 01:14:09 when Hellboy came out. Hellboy 2 came out. We didn't see you anytime we see the devil anywhere. You violate every sin in the Bible. Literally. Every single one. You violate every single thing. in the Bible. You know what you upset about, bro.
Starting point is 01:14:21 It's really, yeah, I'm telling you, it's the weirdest thing in the world to me that people care about other people's sexuality that much. I hear heterosexual men talk about who gay men are sleeping with more than I hear gay men talking about who they fucking. It's the strangest thing. Yeah, so I was just curious about what your thoughts were about their, like, policing policies. And like, I also thought there was interesting what you were saying about, like, should they be regulated? They definitely need FCC rules and regulation. And give me, well, explain what FCC is and, like, give me that. I think people think that when I say FCC rules and regulations, I'm talking about censorship.
Starting point is 01:14:53 No, I'm just talking about that there should be certain policies that broadcasters have to follow. Like, I can't say anything. You know what I mean? Howard Stern couldn't say anything when he was on Terrestrial radio. Russell Limbaugh couldn't say anything. You would be held liable for certain things. I get lawsuits presented to me all the time. I get cease and desist all the time, not all the time, but I've gotten them before, is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:15:15 So I just want anybody who thinks they want to be in this broadcasting space, to have to deal with the same shit that we got to deal with on radio and TV. It's not rocket science here. I get pushback about that because I love the freedom, but I think... It's not freedom, though. That's my point, Shultz.
Starting point is 01:15:30 None of this shit is free, and you know that. There's a cost to everything that comes out of your mouth. Shouts is show. There's no freedom of speech. Freedom, freedom ain't free, but you're allowed to do it
Starting point is 01:15:39 if you could pay the price or... Yeah, really not, though. You're a comedian, so it's a little different. Everything is supposed to be like a joke. That's right. I'm saying things that I'm basically going, hey, I'm doing this for comedic intent. You always get out.
Starting point is 01:15:51 But even the comedians get in trouble, though. Yeah. I hear what you're saying. It's a little different. It's a lot different. The shit that is on the internet right now, the narrative that will spread. What about this idea? Like, this is something I've been thinking about a lot.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Like, I saw it happen in music, and I'm curious to see what happens with the other social media platforms. But, like, for like a five-year period, the record companies that usually dictate and control who the superstars of music didn't have control, right, during this whole like SoundCloud area where everything transitioned to like music online. And then you saw a bunch of artists pop up. They were really just promoted by the people, right? Like the people really like listen to their music.
Starting point is 01:16:29 And we push them to the top because they're like, oh, this is what we like indulgent it. And now that the record companies have figured out how to manage streaming and developing those relationships and the playlists are the new function, the similar way that like radio function back in the day, and they've basically found a way to get control again, and they can, like, blacklist artists if they want.
Starting point is 01:16:53 They can basically remove artists from the playlist, and that's where the streaming money comes from, and that's where dictates an album sales and those other kinds of stuff. So they found their control, right? When it comes to, like, social media, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, all these different things, TikTok is a perfect example. TikTok is, like, real strict policy, right, on, like, what you can and can't say, certain words.
Starting point is 01:17:14 And what they do is they basically have an AI, right, listen to every TikTok you post if they hear certain curse words, it flags it for review, and they could just take the audio straight off or whatever. Right, they took me down because I was burning Polly Santo on Ticx.
Starting point is 01:17:27 It was probably bullying or some shit. No, they thought it was a joint. Oh, yeah, exactly. None of my who's like to go out. I was doing five positive tips as I'm burning the Pallis Santos and they took it down. And you know what?
Starting point is 01:17:39 I guarantee that's an AI that just recognizes what it looks like, right? No different than like a camera can recognize your car running a red light. light or something like that. So they just see it. It looks kind of enough like weed. Okay, let's take the video down. So my concern with TikTok, right, is,
Starting point is 01:17:53 TikTok right now is the fastest place to grow your audience, means the algorithm is so robust. Like, if a video really works on TikTok, that shit can do millions of views. You notice that. Your shit video goes viral every few weeks. It's unbelievable, right? So if a creator wants to get attention, they're going to work within these rules, much like back in the day with TV. If we want to be funny on TV, we got to work within the rules of TV. We can't use certain Persons that. Different network, you got cable,
Starting point is 01:18:18 you got screaming, you got all, 100%. Right. But what that means to me is these young creators are now going to be creating within the confines of the TikTok algorithm.
Starting point is 01:18:28 So TikTok dictates what comedy exists on its platform and affects how comedy will exist kind of on all platforms. If that's your main one, right, you're going to continue to do things that are kind of like this.
Starting point is 01:18:41 Same thing with the Instagram algorithm and the Instagram policy and the YouTube policy, the more constricted those policies get, the more they curate what comedy is and then what other art forms are, what music are. Like, for example, if they just say, hey, if you curse them your music, we're not playing that show on Spotify. Guess who all of a sudden ain't going to be cursing that that much? Yeah, but guess what? It'll be a million other places that will play. Like, like, we're acting like these rules and regulations don't already exist and we haven't
Starting point is 01:19:07 been living with them our whole life. But here's the thing, we went away from them and there is this period of freedom where we could have a crazy podcast and I could build an insane career like not only from this podcast. Did we go away from him? No. Son, YouTube and all this freedom. Everything was free for me. Like there's a reason why I could literally go from, you know, doing like a comedy club with 50
Starting point is 01:19:27 people in it to doing theaters or thousands of people, right? I put my stuff out on a place that had absolute freedom. And then all the comedy was happening on like fucking Comedy Central couldn't compete with what we were putting out. I think you're putting yourself on the same. level is a broadcaster, though. Like, Dave Chappelle's not Dan Rather. Dan Rather?
Starting point is 01:19:46 Here's the difference with Dave Chappelle, not to cut you, but like a guy that's as big as Dave Chappelle is worth the risk for the network, right? So like the network will go, okay, we're going to have a bunch of trans people that are going to be very upset about this joke that he says, but he's so prolific that it's worth any pushback. Yeah, but broadcasters, news announcers are different than comedians. It's a different license, a different way to do things. If Dave Chappelle gets on TV and says fucking, well, nowadays it's different,
Starting point is 01:20:13 but if Dave Chappelle gets on TV and tells people some misinformation about the vaccine, it's like, oh, that's this Dave Chappelle. So somebody on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, a radio show gets on there and says it's trouble. That's an important distinction I should have made, which is like we have a little bit more artistic license. And like when we had Alex Jones on our podcast, we basically put up a disclaimer and we're like, yo, this is fun. Don't trust any bit of science here. Don't trust, sorry, don't trust any bit of information.
Starting point is 01:20:40 Like, we are doing this for parity, I think it was called, right? And we're protected under the parity laws. And YouTube basically has a law that says, you're allowed to bully. I don't want a phrase like that. Basically, there's a roast battle. That's bullying. But both people are signing up for it. So it's okay.
Starting point is 01:20:57 It's not going to be looked at it is like sexism or hatred or something like that. I guess I'm saying is, and I'm curious about this, is like, at least for comedy, because that's the thing that nearest and dearest to my heart, is like how much will these algorithms and what they say is okay and not okay to say affect how the comedy of the future is portrayed? I don't think it affected at all because comedians and musicians, you know, they'll always, first of all, you should just go create whatever art you want to create. That's number one.
Starting point is 01:21:26 And it'll always be a platform for it. We're acting like it's not uncensored platforms. I'm talking about specifically FCC rules and regulations for broadcasters. Yes. Because the misinformation is what's really. ruining the society right now. Not to comedians. But are we broadcasters now here? Yes, but we're not doing news.
Starting point is 01:21:43 I'm a comedian. I'm not broadcast. But we're not doing news is what I'm saying. Some of these people set up their shows and they talk like their newscasters. They talk like they're reporting news and they got stories about people. Slow down. They got disgoters. And they're like, no. That's a good ass point. It's like if you are operating as a news source, then you should have the same responsibility. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:22:07 They're news source house. But if you say, hey, this is a comedy show, and this could apply both for the breakfast club, this could abide for Flager and a brilliant net, it's like if we're saying, well, breakfast club's a little bit different because there's journalistic portions of it, but there's also just comedy.
Starting point is 01:22:21 I've gotten, I've gotten lawsuits for literally giving somebody donkey of the day for what they actually did. Yeah. Like, I'm not like literally, like they actually did that. But that's tricky. I think you should have artistic license with a donkey.
Starting point is 01:22:36 the day. Like, I think you should be able to make jokes and it should be comedy. But at the same time, if you're interviewing a guest, I like the fact that you have the expectation of that being traditional journalism. So it's like, if I'm you, I'm like, nah, this is conflicting. Don't give me one set of rules. For this, I'm doing comedy. For this, I'm being a journalist. All I know is I'm a broadcaster. Right. And so being that I'm a broadcaster, there's just consequences and repercussions to the things that come out of your mouth. All I'm basically saying is, but everybody that feels like they want to do this, they should have to deal with. with the same cost that we have to deal with.
Starting point is 01:23:09 Right. I agree. Because all of these people feel like they're on level, right? They think it's an even playing field. Like, oh, we got our YouTube show, you got your radio show, you got your pocket, whatever. Okay, so since we're all, since you think we're on an even playing field, let's be on an even playing field. Yeah. With the FCC rules and regulation.
Starting point is 01:23:25 It's easy to get your views up when you're just saying crazy shit. That's not even true. The people are terrified of. Like, if you just say every single day you start your podcast or your title of your news show, whatever it is on YouTube is like, new variant of COVID is killing eight out of nine people. Bro, I saw a headline yesterday. Of course I'm gonna click it.
Starting point is 01:23:43 Bro, I saw a headline yesterday that said, a woman, woman gets legs amputated after getting vaccine. And they got, that happened, it just had nothing to do it. Like, what the fuck? Right, it just happened to be after. Yes. But I clicked on it. And I was like, click me.
Starting point is 01:23:59 Have to. Yeah. I had to see what the fuck was going on. Yeah. But I just want everybody that happened. And comedians and musicians, creatives, they're different. But if you're a broadcaster, if you're a person that's given out information and news, even gossip and all that shit like that,
Starting point is 01:24:14 you should have to deal with the same rules and regulations that we do. You think Wendy Williams ain't never got sued? Are you serious? That's really interesting, especially when you answer the blog, to the blogosphere. Like, what expectations do we have for blogs? Did at least have some, man. Even the shade room, like, do they have to tell the truth? Yes.
Starting point is 01:24:36 You should, listen, everybody's entitled to have their own opinion. You're not entitled to have your own facts. I don't know. No, you can't have your own facts. You just can't. If there's actual facts out there, you have to report the facts. That's interesting. That's it.
Starting point is 01:24:49 You can have your own opinion all day long, but you can have your own facts. And you can have your own opinion about the facts. Yeah. Just report the facts. I'm sure you got the fact. But even if it's gossip, even if they say, hey, this is just gossip. Yes. Oh, it still has to be fact.
Starting point is 01:25:05 Do you think back in the day when you used to get on the radio and call people gay, she didn't get hit with lawsuits and shit like that? Oh, really? Because back in the day, that was considered planned in defamation.
Starting point is 01:25:14 You know what I mean? I don't know how the laws are now, but back then, absolutely 100%. I didn't know that. You couldn't just say anything. Chloe just, who did Chloe just send a cease and desist too? Probably me. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:25:26 All I'm saying is, I just want everybody. It's got to be some rules and regulations. I'm not talking about censorship. I understand what you're saying. I think that that would resonate more. It's like I think when people hear censorship, obviously we're fearful because we're worried that we can't say certain things. I still want you as a journalist to say certain things on your network. But, and I don't want them to be censored by the government if it goes against what the government might want.
Starting point is 01:25:47 I think that's a fear. But you're just like, yo, if you're just basically like, hey, if we're out here calling ourselves the bearers of truth, let's make sure that we got some truth. That's right. And by the way, there's nobody that y'all love. Everybody that y'all love, I guarantee you they were on TV and radio. They played in that FCC shit. So they know exactly what it is. From the limb balls to the sterns to whoever.
Starting point is 01:26:08 I got a question for you on that same shit. And I thought this was really interesting. I think like Norway said that they were proposing a law. If you are using Photoshop to augment a person's picture to sell a product, should you have to mention that in the ad? Yes. I agree too. Right.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Because what you're doing is you're falsely portraying how the person. product works or how someone looks in it. Like 100%. And I think now with all these filters and that kind of stuff, especially these like models, you know, Kardashians that, hey, I look so great in my skin suit. And it's like, do you look good in your skin suit or do you look good after Photoshop makes you look good in a skim suit? Right.
Starting point is 01:26:48 And it creates like an unfair expectation of what you should do. But that's kind of the same thing you're talking about just physically. That's like you're presenting something that's not real that is making people feel uncomfortable in a way. They fucked up if they take that away from the girls. Oh, it'd be fucked up, but it'd make all of our girls feel so much better about themselves. Absolutely. You do?
Starting point is 01:27:07 Why? It's fun. Oh, okay. It's like a thing now for girls. What do you all? Everybody loves the filter. I don't know. They go away.
Starting point is 01:27:16 You think it'd be less pictures? Huh? If it go away, you think it'd be less pictures? No, it wouldn't be less pictures. It is fine. It's another way. People might be unhappy, though. I know a lot of women would be unhappy.
Starting point is 01:27:25 That's the other problem, too, man. I'm telling you, social media is impacting people's regular human behavior. Yes, motherfuckers got low self-esteem. insecurity, self-work. Watching other people, other people shit, though. Man, I'm telling you got to put a bullet in this shit soon, bro. They got to put a bullet in this shit soon. Women are literally going to, like, the plastic surgeon with a filter picture of himself
Starting point is 01:27:45 to say, make me look like this. I don't even think we realize the impact social media is having. You said something earlier when we first started this combo. I forgot how you worded it. But they really don't understand the power that they hold. Bro, they do understand. And that's what's scary. I don't think they do.
Starting point is 01:28:01 Adam said yesterday. Adam said, yo, when we first started this stuff, like, you know, it was just like a outlet, right? But he was like, and when I asked him, should they FCC regulate, he said, yeah, because these platforms have turned into like broadcast networks. I'll be honest, it's bigger than broadcast. Easily. Broadcast was filtered, right? The talent that were going broadcasts.
Starting point is 01:28:23 I mean, you only had a few people who tell you the news every night. At 7 o'clock, you have five people who tell you the news. That's it. On five different channels. Those five people had to tell you the facts. they had to say fact and there was a lot of or they had to at least, you know, disclaim in some way. They'd at least share
Starting point is 01:28:38 the news as they saw it with information that they had. But I think that social media since every person is on it right now, I think you almost got to look at it like a utility, like water. You know, like... It's a tool. Yeah, but like I think it's got to be...
Starting point is 01:28:54 I think there has to be somebody at least looking after it in the same way like you can't just give people shitty water. You know what I'm saying? That's the FC. Right. So I'm not one for censorship. I'm not talking about censorship.
Starting point is 01:29:07 I'm not talking about regular rules. It's like an N1 player that can ball out in Harlem. Yep. But he gets on the NBA court. It's different. It's different. But how about this? If TikTok, now they say that they're not owned by their Chinese company.
Starting point is 01:29:19 It's completely separate. Sure. But if TikTok starts getting rid of any video that's critical of the way that the Chinese of, you know, with imprisoned the Uyghurs or anything, like anything critical of China, right? What did you say? The Uighers. Andrew said at 207.
Starting point is 01:29:34 Wait a minute, Andrew. At 207.48, he finally said it. We got him. So we had a we had a, we had a, on it for the special, I don't even know
Starting point is 01:29:45 if anybody caught it, but there was some line where we were saying like, and it's, you know, it's fucked up that China's imprisoning all the white people that want to be black in China.
Starting point is 01:29:55 Oh, it's pronounced Uighers. I saw that. I thought that was a good. You got a hell of back last for that. No, no, it's anything. The Asians were on your ass. No, but do you know the word I'm trying
Starting point is 01:30:07 to play? Wickers. Yeah. White people that want to be black? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I called that. But I didn't know what Wakers lost. I knew what Wingers were. I didn't know of the Muslim Chinese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. Concentration camps. But,
Starting point is 01:30:23 but yeah, so it's like if a bunch of videos on TikTok are up there criticizing them for that and then all of a sudden those videos disappear, you know, like Reddit, Reddit is, I think, I think, owned like 50% by like China or something like that, or they own some large stake in it. And you can't find a video about free Hong Kong, whatever, on Reddit without it getting wiped off of any page. So, like, there's going to be influence on these platforms. These platforms, imagine China could put some shit in the water that just made people sterile in America.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Would you let that happen? It's a utility now. Yeah, some of these people would be lying, though, because yesterday when Adam was on, people were saying, like, oh, they take down all the free Cuba stuff and all the, you know, free Haiti stuff and Palestine. I'm like, I see that on my page all day long. What are y'all talking about? I mean, I see both sides represented, but I see it all the time. I just think my point is this shit has to be regulated. This shit is a Frankenstein monster that is out of fucking control at this point.
Starting point is 01:31:15 And yeah, it's easy to say, yeah, it's great that we got creatives and comedians and this and that. It's way bigger. When you got world leaders on Twitter tweeting? But who decides truth? That's the tricky thing. Like, just the government decide truth? Y'all don't want that. I don't think the truth.
Starting point is 01:31:30 hard to find. It is, bro. Why? They can decide what the truth is. It is, man. And we got so much videos. The problem is there's so much truth. I can find some truth that supports you.
Starting point is 01:31:42 I can find some truth that supports me. But the reality is most of the truth fits in the middle. I mean, like, when we were doing the Netflix special notes, turn your phone videos, we would kill ourselves finding the truth. It would take the longest part of that whole process is just finding what really happened. What's real? Like, that's because there's so much bullshit. Yes, but the bullshit serves what people want.
Starting point is 01:32:03 People want confirmation, not information. I don't think that's truth, though. I just think that's information that's out there that confirms whatever you think are. Well, that's what people want. They want the information that confirms. But they also want to, yeah, match what they said. Exactly. That is the problem.
Starting point is 01:32:18 So as they get that, it's over. I'm telling you, we have no, by the way, there's no putting the toothpaste back into YouTube at this point. It's over. But what's next, though, what you think? That's the problem. Yeah. That's going to be another mind. You know how we, I don't know if it's about regulation as much as about letting people know.
Starting point is 01:32:36 Like there's a diet. You have to look at the things that you consume every day. I think my boy Ben Uyayder was the one who came up with this theory. Brilliant guy. He built this studio for us with my boy Mike Montgomery as well. But he said, you've got to look at it like your diet, right? Like back in the day, you just eat anything. It was like hamburgers, fries.
Starting point is 01:32:56 They said everything was fine for you. Cigarettes were fine for you. They didn't say shit in the hamburger. But like there was no nutritional facts that were put on the packaging or nothing. You just ate everything. Everything was fine. And then eventually people start realizing, oh, if you eat certain things, you could get obese, you need cancer. Won't have a man.
Starting point is 01:33:15 You won't have a man. Obviously, very bad. So we started going, okay, I got to ease up on certain things for my diet so I can be healthy. And I think the same thing goes for information. Like, what if we get to a point? And Ben was saying that. He's like, why don't we get to a point where we could distill what is healthy information, what is unhealthy information?
Starting point is 01:33:33 If there's a motherfucker at a desk on their YouTube channel just spouting off bullshit, right? Maybe you don't say he can't say that, but you can't say something like, we can't confirm that these things are real. I'm not exactly sure what the censorship would be or how it is, but I do understand the idea of a healthy diet. That's it. And that's what the FCC. Of information.
Starting point is 01:33:55 The FCC will make sure that there's a healthy diet of information that is, via social media. But did that? I mean, are they doing that for the channels that exist right now? Fox News, supervised CNN, super biased CNN just saying fucking bullshit every single day. Fox News saying bullshit every single fucking day. None of them are truthful. And these are the ones that are monitored by the FCC. Matter of fact, if you didn't have independent media, you didn't have guys like Rogan and shit,
Starting point is 01:34:16 they're actually letting people speak and like giving a platform for truth. We'd all be out here believing on the bullshit we saw on Fox News or MSNBC. I think Fox, CNN, MSNBC, they all know how far they can go. Yeah. They're not going to ever step old. And don't get me wrong, Fox gets sued quite often. By the white, CNN and MSNBC, they get sued too. As they should.
Starting point is 01:34:37 Absolutely. All of them shit, if they're reporting some bullshit or some false information. What happened? You got to go? No, I just want some water. Oh. They're all, they're all, if they spill on some false information, they got to fucking go. Simple as that.
Starting point is 01:34:50 Like, get fined something. I just want people to have consequences. I ain't even know they're shooting. I ain't know some alternative facts. You can't sue social media. That's the problem. Those platforms aren't being held liable for the false information that they're spewing. I asked Adam that too.
Starting point is 01:35:04 Do you think y'all should be held liable? We're like, not. We're just a space for people to put this. No, he didn't say no. He just said that, you know, it's tricky. But the same way if I, if they don't just say, they don't say Charlamagne. They don't say Charlamagne. They sue Charlemagne.
Starting point is 01:35:17 They sue Chalemay. You know what I mean? They sue Power 105. Like there's entities that they go after. It should be the same way on social media. You allow this person to get on this platform and spew some bullshit. I'm coming after this person for slanted defamation and liable
Starting point is 01:35:32 and malicious intent and the platform because y'all gave them the platform I disagree I heard only has so many employees and only so many employees they're actually saying things whereas Instagram has probably billions of people that are on it
Starting point is 01:35:45 you can't possibly monitor billions well that's their fault but that's who's fault is that hire more money they're making all this money well they're doing something because they damn should be taking down my who's wax pictures and shit like that so somebody
Starting point is 01:35:58 monitoring something. They ain't damn sure ain't just monitoring me. Right. Right. I hope not. You guys tell us what you think a good idea would be, man. I am actually really curious to the answer. I think FCC rules and regulations have to happen, bro. I just really do, especially for social media, only because of the broadcasters, not because of the creatives, the comedians, the musicians.
Starting point is 01:36:20 That's never, music is never going to be sensitive anyway. It's the freaking broadcasters. You want news. You want news to go through some sort of filter where hopefully there's some truth in it. Whereas when it comes to art, you're like, paint whatever you fucking want, sing about whatever you want, do comedy about whatever the fuck you want. I don't think that many people would disagree on that. It's just finding who the arbiters are truth are going to be is tricky.
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Starting point is 01:39:02 if you were forced to spend an entire day with a clone of yourself, what would you do? Man, I go. Tell jokes back and forth with myself. That's it? Yeah. And smoke weed with myself. Really?
Starting point is 01:39:15 Yeah. Restile rap with myself. Oh, can you freestyle? No. But on drugs, I think I can. What if you was with yourself, Tammy? And you were like, damn, I see why you something. I don't like you.
Starting point is 01:39:27 I'm asking. Oh, you know, I guess that would be a good way to have some awareness about who I am. Yeah. Just sit down with a clone of myself. That's actually a good thing. No, we all should do that. Like, you can look in the mirror and have those. I'm gonna say, why don't just look in the mirror?
Starting point is 01:39:39 You'll be two people. Yeah, it's not the same though as having a conversation. Because they can't talk back to you. Right. If you record something, you could record, I'll just decide. How real can you be with yourself? That's the hardest thing. It's so easy for us to keep it real with other people.
Starting point is 01:39:54 real with other people, how real can you be with yourself? Yeah, that's true. Because you know you better than you. No. You know what I do? I just tell myself, you know better than anybody else does. How real can you be with yourself? You know what you do?
Starting point is 01:40:09 Just bring yourself all the way down to the bottom and then anything else would be a little bit better. Like what? Just keep telling yourself that you're not the best and everything like that. And then everything else that do happen, anything somebody tell you, it would be better than what you think about yourself. But I'm just talking about being honest about your, laws, all of them.
Starting point is 01:40:26 I think you need... All of them. Physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally, everything that's wrong with you. That's hard. I don't think you should. No? What?
Starting point is 01:40:35 Something must be wrong with me because I do. I think you should be kind of yourself. I think you should be honest with yourself too. Yeah, I think you need a certain amount of honesty, but I think you need a certain amount of delusion. And I think that you have to, like, find that balance. And I think the delusion is what's going to drive you. You got to be delusional to think that you should just talk into a microphone.
Starting point is 01:40:54 phone and then millions of people will just listen and be entertained. That's a delusional fucking thing. I don't think that's delusion. Because you're delusional. But no. Yeah. Because you're delusional? No.
Starting point is 01:41:04 That's why you don't think it's delusional. I just think it's some shit that I did. Somebody said I was good at it. I just kept doing it. By the way, and I've never had the mindset, you have to like me. No, no,
Starting point is 01:41:16 what I'm saying is like... More for entrepreneurs, though. Yeah, if you want to build that thing, right? Like, if it helps, like, thinking big, dreaming big, and not really just blacking out what the criticism of that could be. Because if you want to be 100% real it yourself, you could sit down there and think of all the reasons why it wouldn't work. I do though. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:36 Yeah. A hundred percent. I don't. Yeah. You can't do that because once you, it's like a cancer. Once you get that negativity, negativity is like cancer. It can just feed on that. You don't go.
Starting point is 01:41:46 I don't even go that way. When I hear that, I do not even let that tap into me. I keep going forward. Like, why should I just sit there and focus on. I know I'm delusion. Look all the companies. all this stuff I always got. Like, I'm always got something going.
Starting point is 01:41:55 I'm very delusioned. No, you're not. Because listen to what you just say. It's not like we don't hear it. Right. We dismiss it. You know what I mean? So you can tell yourself
Starting point is 01:42:04 why this wouldn't work, why that wouldn't work. It'll be other people telling you why I won't work, why I won't work. Like, whatever, I'm still giving it a shock. Yeah, but that's what he's saying. I'm delusional to think that all these people
Starting point is 01:42:12 going to be grabbing the who's wax. I'm going to different companies. I think that's delusion. I think we're using the wrong work. Yeah. Okay. So maybe it's not delusion. But basically what we're saying is like in order to do great things, you need to think differently than people, right?
Starting point is 01:42:24 Outside the box. Yeah. So it's like and all of us have a little bit of that in ourselves. And that allows us to have like a huge advantage over those people who go, I could never do that. There's so many people trying to do that. I've never thought like that in general. But I do recognize that some of my thinking might be to seem to others to be delusional. But to me it's completely reasonable.
Starting point is 01:42:42 Like completely reasonable. You know why? Because it's your dream. Right. Then it's no longer delusional. That's right. Exactly. But other people might think it. They might describe it that way. To me, it doesn't seem to seem that way. I think God, I think God designed us all a certain way. He all gave us something. And when we tap into that something, we accomplish our goals and our dreams. Somebody, something tapped into you and said, you know what? Show's, you should be a comedian. Something hit Tammy and said, oh, she should be a hairdresser. Because there's nobody that could be waxed. Right? I'm serious.
Starting point is 01:43:14 No real shit. So it's just like once that thing is, I'm going to say, what the fuck am I? A mermaid. Once that thing gets turned on, you can't turn it off. Yeah. So that, that lets you know it's a part of you. What if you heard somebody got five, four times from the same job?
Starting point is 01:43:31 Would you, like, think, like, maybe that job isn't for them? No, I'd have to know. I'd have to eat the reasons. I'd have to hear the reasons. What if a rapper gets dropped from a label four times? Do you think he's still trying to do? All right, maybe there's different.
Starting point is 01:43:42 I guess, I understand what you're saying. Because one way to interpret that could be, oh, this is not for me. is a sign from God. And then another way, someone who might have a little bit more dreaming in their thinking or delusion, whatever you want to call it, might go, nah, this is just the road less traveled and it's harder to get there. And these are all trials and tribulations that I get there.
Starting point is 01:44:01 I guess what I'm trying to say, you need to have enough insecurity where you want to improve and be better, but you need to have enough delusional confidence where you keep on track and know that that's the thing you must do and nothing will stop. You got to be dumb. What if we just call it confidence? Yeah, confidence. Yeah, confidence.
Starting point is 01:44:17 That's what it is. I'm using delusion as like a hyperbolic. You're saying like the Steve Jobs quote when Steve Jobs said, the crazy people are the ones who think they're crazy enough. The people who change the world are the ones who are crazy enough to believe they can. Are they really crazy? No, but that type of thinking might seem crazy to someone who is. I always say stay dumb.
Starting point is 01:44:34 If I'm too smart, I'm going past it or something like that. I'm so dumb. I'm going after the things that I'm going after. A smart person will not be. Because they're going to look and be like, it'd be too difficult to get into the week market. So many people are there. They read the books and worry about,
Starting point is 01:44:47 Oh, this is going to cancel you. When you reading all that shit, it's going to definitely deter you from all the things the way I wanted. I wanted a totally different way. You know what I'm saying? Amen. That's what I'm trying to tell you. So it's kind of like a forest dump kind of thing. Everything I'm doing because I was dumb.
Starting point is 01:45:01 If I was smart, I would not be doing the things I'm doing right now. You think Wax dumb. No, I don't think it's dumb. I know that way yet. He has like a Forrest Gump thing kind of going on. But I'm just saying if he's smart. No, no, no, force. Why?
Starting point is 01:45:13 He's like smart but presents us. Yeah, literal all the time. just exceptional at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just know myself. Do you? I do. I think therapy is paying you apart.
Starting point is 01:45:26 No, it's not. Listen, I know, I know exactly. Pulling back those layers. No, I know exactly who I am. It's just that that's why I do the things that I do. I don't try to do things that and it's not my lane that I know I'm not supposed to be there. I don't give a fuck about all the other things.
Starting point is 01:45:38 Now, see, that's interesting. I know my place. Shouldn't you step outside of your lane though? Yeah, but I started to do. He has a fucking paintball thing. I was doing chickens. We didn't talk about it. This is like, you ever heard somebody who do anything things I do?
Starting point is 01:45:50 But you just said you stay in your lane. I stay in the lanes that I know how to do. You know, will you see me read the book anywhere? Oh, so you like chicken. You like paintball. You like me. I'm just saying these are things I don't mind doing outside the box, but you're not going to see me like, oh, I'm about to be a librarian.
Starting point is 01:46:00 I'm not reading no fucking books with y'all. Yeah, all right. You know what I'm saying? That's going to fuck my brain up. It's like, yo, what the fuck? No, it's not. It's actually going to make your brain and better. I don't, I like, put other things in my brain.
Starting point is 01:46:14 Like, experiences more than, like, words. I got you. Okay. All right. Very revered feed advice from my guys on how to get over a six-year relationship with my girl ending.
Starting point is 01:46:32 Wow. That's you, Tammy. How's that mean? Who told somebody told me it was in three six-year relationships earlier? Earlier today. That was not me. Who was that?
Starting point is 01:46:40 Somebody just said that. Somebody just said that. Somebody just said that. Six-six-six. Oh, Mo. Mo. Mo. Oh shit
Starting point is 01:46:47 You're right No mind Yeah Um Yeah You gotta Um Damn bro
Starting point is 01:46:54 Watch a lot of porn It's gonna take Three years To get over The six year Relations Yeah No way
Starting point is 01:47:00 To fully get over It takes half the time Not for a guy To fully get over it Nah You'd be out of there A minute Just next time
Starting point is 01:47:07 You like a girl You don't even have to It's not even fucking Like You're gonna get under something You can be all right And then You're gonna actually
Starting point is 01:47:14 Like a girl Once you like a girl It might be a career change. It might be something else. Does that how it works for y'all? It might replace something else. It might replace a job. That love might replace with something else with a guy. Six years. Ouch. I don't know. Also, how small a town? Do you have to bump into her and shit? Yeah. You'd probably get away. Maybe that's why New York is easier. It's like you could break up with your girl living the same fucking neighborhood, Nazi her. Two hundred other girls
Starting point is 01:47:38 walk a pass every day. Yeah. Now, you're going to be all right, bro. You're going to be all right, man. That's it? More penises? Yeah. And then we try to like be better. So usually when we break up with someone, we try to get in shape, make more money, look better, that makes it feel better.
Starting point is 01:47:55 Yeah, you could have had this. This could have been us. That's what we do. The getting in shape part is the most important. Yeah, we all do that. We change our hair. We start getting in shape. If I'm only checking on you on social media
Starting point is 01:48:07 to see how you look. So you start looking at all. I'm happy. You know what I'm saying? But you're also like, man. You get fat and you start looking crazy? That's why I left. I'm dodged a bullet.
Starting point is 01:48:17 Yeah, you feel. But at the same time, you lost that way while we're together, maybe we're still been together. Whoa. Not, like, a bad way. So you dumped her because she was fat.
Starting point is 01:48:29 I didn't dump her because she was fat. That's what you said. She broke up with me. She was social distancing. You know what I mean? She wanted more space? That's it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:48:40 She hated our bed. Yeah. She's like, I think we should take some space. I'm like, ain't you taking enough goddamn space? Space, look at you. That's fucking crazy out here. All right.
Starting point is 01:48:51 John M. 1021. Would you rather have our oceans 100% explored or 25% of space explored? Ooh, that's a good one. That's nice. If you rather have our ocean. Would you rather have 100% of our oceans explored or 25% of space explored? 25% of space explored. Nah, bro.
Starting point is 01:49:10 The ocean. The ocean. It's an ocean, bro. Because you know what? Out of your mind. the space. Here we go. No, no.
Starting point is 01:49:18 I'm telling you some people told me like the moon makes the water move. That's the true. Come on talk to me. I can actually do this a little bit. I'm trying to learn this space shit. I don't think nobody ever won up there.
Starting point is 01:49:29 Can we even determine what 25% of space is? That's what I'm saying. We might have already did 25%. Yeah, that's a great point. Space is infinite. No, space is so big. How did it?
Starting point is 01:49:37 Or at least the galaxies? No, right. I mean, there's one galaxy, the Milky Way. That's what I'm saying. Like, if we did 25% of space, we would, for real know if there was other life forms out there.
Starting point is 01:49:47 For sure. For real no. That's the only reason I want 25% of space. That being said But what's down there though? Those aliens could be living down in the world. That's what I think they at though. The ocean would be way more popping. That's such a smaller area compared to space. And we can't go down there. Nobody's going to go down there on vacation. You know how big the water is? The water is 90%
Starting point is 01:50:03 of the world. Every star you see is like another sun. Earth is 90% in the world. No, it's 70. What? What? What? How much? How much? What? He just said, How much the water is 90%? Oh, you're saying an ocean is 90% of the earth?
Starting point is 01:50:19 100% of the world? No, it's not 100% of the world. The water is 90%. What's the last 10% of the world, y'all? Water. How much is water percent of the world? That's cool. A couple of two percent off.
Starting point is 01:50:34 So water is 75% of the world. Of the earth. That's what you see. You don't know what's down there. 75% of the world is water. Yes. Probably aliens down there. They probably making this all look up for no reason.
Starting point is 01:50:45 I think of some shit that I would much rather see what's going on in the ocean. I'm not going to lie. The ocean is way more interesting. Is it, though? I think so because I know what's out there in space. No, you don't. It's more, it's things. How you know that?
Starting point is 01:50:56 We want to find out what they are. And what's more in the ocean? Just fish. We didn't look at fish. No. We actually know what the shit looks like in ocean. You don't know what aliens look like that. We don't know what's all right there.
Starting point is 01:51:06 And I'm going to tell you something else. I got another theory. You know what UFOs are? The rich billionaires from other planets. Ooh. Mm-hmm. I agree. They got dope cars.
Starting point is 01:51:16 I saw that team too. Jeff Bezos of another planet. UFOs are the wealthy people of other planet. They either the wealthy or I was thinking about this too. I was like, are they the richest or are they the poorest? Right? Not think about like the people that came to America. Right?
Starting point is 01:51:34 Like pilgrims and shit like that motherfucker's trying to get away from oppression. Like are they just trying to leave their country where they came by the Cubans? Are they space Cubans? They're space Cubans. What if there's so? much wealth on other planets and so much intelligent. Do we got the broke motherfuckers? That's right, that even the porn disenfranchised can travel through them.
Starting point is 01:51:52 They probably Mexican. But then it would be more of them. We would see him more, don't you think? Yeah. I think we do. We don't see him another. You think you see him every single day? I think we do, bro.
Starting point is 01:52:01 I think we wouldn't know an alien if it walked up to us right now. How do you know that I'm not an alien? You might, that's what I'm saying. You might be. That guy might there might move every night. I thought you were a black woman. I am both. That's an alien.
Starting point is 01:52:14 I am a black woman. I am an alien and I am Andrew Shultz. Listen, I will love to be... What if I told you guys right now that I'm an alien? I would believe it. I believe it. It would explain everything. A whole lot.
Starting point is 01:52:25 Remember how early you all trying to explain some more and bother them? That would explain everything to... Okay, I don't think I'm an alien, but I do have a curious thing about my birth that nobody is understood and my parents cannot describe... Let's go there. Let's go. Let's go. Explain. My mom doesn't remember giving birth.
Starting point is 01:52:42 My mom does remember her water break. My mom, my dad doesn't, wasn't there for it. My mom was pregnant with me with my dad. And a week before the birth, nobody can account for. Amazing. So maybe they were adopted. Duh. She was pregnant with me for nine months.
Starting point is 01:53:03 That's what she says. Duh. How would you know? You weren't a dare. Where was you like? I mean, I saw the pictures and like, pictures of any shit. Why I guess so? I do a blood work and everything that says that I am.
Starting point is 01:53:16 Allegedly. Yeah, that's true. Did you do it? Say what? Did you swab the mouth? Swabbed my parents. So what do you think that is? Do you think it's possible?
Starting point is 01:53:24 I could be adopted. Okay. Art of stork, maybe that stork shit was real back in the day. Or it's possible that I could be in an alien and that my mom was artificially inseminated by a life form. And they had to deliver me because obviously I was going to be different than a regular baby. I think it's down.
Starting point is 01:53:43 I think it's adoption. I think it's an alien. Well, either way, I'm adopted if I'm an alien, right? I'm adopted by my mother. You're Superman, bro. I'm Superman. You're fucking Clark Kent, bro. But isn't that weird?
Starting point is 01:53:53 Like, and I've asked them about that. And they're like, yeah, we just really don't know. It's like a weird thing. And I was like, that's like a really big thing for you guys to not. That don't bother you? Yeah, it bothers me, Charlemagne. So for a week before you were born, nobody knows what was happening. Was this the 70s?
Starting point is 01:54:10 83. 83, I was born. 83. 83. I was born. And then, and then, yeah, there's just other weird shit. But, like, yeah. What's the other weird shit?
Starting point is 01:54:19 It's like certain places we can't go. Huh? They might have just been doing some dress. This is amazing. What the fucking is. Do you go here? Anybody look just like you? What are you talking about, though?
Starting point is 01:54:30 Certain places we're not allowed to go. No. No. Oh, bro. Like, what you mean? Certain places we're not allowed to go, dude. Where are you in America? In America?
Starting point is 01:54:39 Like, like, multiple places. Like, for example, I went, when I went to the, uh, You guys are going to think of, forget it. No, no, I need to know. Ash and Pitch's house. I went to the pyramids of Egypt, and my parents promised me, they made me promise that I, the big pyramids in Giza were fine. They made me promise that I would not go to, they made promise that I would not go to, they
Starting point is 01:55:09 They promised that I would not go to another pyramid thing. Actually, the original pyramids that were like further south. And I was like, we don't have any plans on going there. And then they're like, okay. Why? I don't know. It's a random request for two people from Manhattan to make the best thing. Huh?
Starting point is 01:55:30 Yeah. And that is a random way. Why don't you like Google? I went to the pyramids in Mexico. And, and, and they asked. asked me what time of year I was going there. And I was like, I'm going there close to the summer solstice. And then they're like, oh, okay, have fun.
Starting point is 01:55:51 And then that's all he said. So like, there's been weird shit. And then I just don't ask about it. Government, we, we're investigating the wrong aliens. What are we doing? We're investigating the wrong illegal aliens here. Like, what the hell is happening? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:56:05 It was fine until you got to that part. Now I need to know mom and dad. What the fuck is happening? This is, this is, um, yeah, it's just, this is really an experiment about how dangerous fake news is. Because do you see how gullible these dumb motherfuck? No, no, no. No, no. Don't pull that.
Starting point is 01:56:24 No. No. Don't try to scream. No, no, no. No. Don't try to scream alternative fact now. No. Right.
Starting point is 01:56:31 I believe that. Nigel. That shit. You had adopted alien. You are Superman. You are Clark King. People believe. Anything.
Starting point is 01:56:39 The everything you put out there. What's the man, daddy name? Clark Clan. The son of, uh, Calell. Calell. Calell. Callal.
Starting point is 01:56:47 Callal. You are the son of Kyle. You are side, bro. He's okay. No, of course, my parents don't care if I go to the fucking pyramids. But isn't that interesting? Like, you have a compelling enough story, motherfuckers who just believe that shit.
Starting point is 01:57:02 Like, I had you fucking locked. You were starting to come on board and wax like, he's bullshit in this whole fucking time. I'm not a lie. You had a whole theory in my head. I was like, I probably was the one that was to believe you the most. You think? I was like, you probably going out in the pyramid.
Starting point is 01:57:14 You see hieroglyphics are like white people with big noses and shit. That's how I was looking about saying, who do you look like? I just saw your parents with his nose sticking up. That's probably why they told him not to go. That's type of shit. You remember when you posted that picture from Egypt? Me next to the Spinks? That shit was funny as fuck.
Starting point is 01:57:35 And he put the nose on the sphinx. The Spinks was missing the nose. So I had my shit filling in. But I was there, bro. Listen, if y'all died, would you rather go into the ocean or to the space? Because I want somebody to just drop me off in spaces, let me, like put GPSs on me and stuff, and let me float. Yeah, I think that might be the best thing for all of us.
Starting point is 01:57:54 That'd be really dope. Like, why would you want to go on the ground? Just going space. As always. Tammy, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Make sure you tune into the We Talk Back podcast with Tam Bam and AJ comes out every third. Thursday.
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Starting point is 01:58:23 and you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right too. It's the brilliant idiot's podcast. Thank you for listening. And you never know where we're all from. You never know. Me too. I still believe you.
Starting point is 01:58:33 I still believe. I still believe. You never know. No, I know, because he was like cracking up his voice. He's like crying about the cry. I heard it. I got good. Did I get you at all or no?
Starting point is 01:58:43 I fell you were in the beginning. In the beginning, I believe. You were and then when I said pyramid, you're like, all right, he's just going. You, you know,
Starting point is 01:58:49 I knew that we get him. And I was like, nobody got me. Nobody would believe this. Like, if I say I went to the pyramids and they say, don't go,
Starting point is 01:58:58 there's like, there's just no way, but I knew that you would believe that. No. You lost me when you said Mexican. I said, you're not Mexican. I said,
Starting point is 01:59:06 he said he went to Mexico. Turn off the pocket. Stop the podcast. Stop the podcast.

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