The Brilliant Idiots - I Am DoleWhite

Episode Date: October 31, 2019

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It's so stupid it's positively brilliant. The brilliant idiots podcast. Hey! Oh shit! Hey! Hey! Hey! I'd never heard this shit.

Hey! This will be the Scotland version. Hey! Oh. Hey, is Ribb's guy's weight? Okay. Hey, it's Shulte's birthday. It's Andrew Shulte's birthday.

It's Andrew Shultz's birthday. Hey. All right, cut it off. Cut it up. Come on, now, let me hit that Stevie Wonder one time. Hit that Stevie Wonder version one time, man. Come on, man. Come on.

It's Shotti's birthday. How old are you today, Shultz? 36. 30 fucking six. Like the Wu-Tang's chambers, nigga. Okay? He's 36 years old. That motherfucker is getting up there.

Come on, hit it, Taylor. Your kind of black person don't have Stevie won his birthday song. That's how you know we used to funerals. We used to casualties in death. Dude, it's really okay. We don't need it. I hate the... What?

Oh, God. Hey, hey. Hey, it's the birthday... You need to... Hush, hush, hush, hush, one second. This is the ultimate birthday song. Listen, we're being honest, Stevie Wonder has the greatest birthday song of all time. You need to stop calling this the black birthday song.

This is actually the birthday song. This shit got so much soul and so much rhythm. Intro takes a long time to get the way it needs to be, but it's just building up because you're bringing the cake out. You're bringing the cake out? You're bringing the cake out? You got the goddamn candles on the cake? What the fuck? You're bringing the cake out? Okay, all right, almost dropped it, but I'm bringing it out.

Okay, candles is lit. looking at the birthday boy he's over there drunk you know what I'm saying everybody's surrounding him he doesn't want to give a speech you know what I mean he's just sitting there trying to figure out what should he do it's the most awkward position in the world because it's really fish bowl like a motherfucker you're like shit I still have the energy at 36 to blow these goddamn candles out I hope they don't have 36 candles on this motherfucker no it's only three it's only four it's only five you're like shit this intro ain't dropped yet when they're gonna start singing shit oh fuck ain't it's a verse before you get to the chorus

Okay, now at least we got some words. Hey, hey, hey, kiss your mom, you know what I'm saying? You grab your girlfriend, you dance with her a little bit, you know what I mean? You pops, you give him a salute. Greg, what's happening? You know what I mean? Alex's over there recording everything.

Okay? Oh, shawl ain't here yet. Oh, shit, he just walked in. I smell weed. It must be wax. All right. It's going down, baby. Big 36.

Andrew Shoe. Okay, this is the part Everybody act like they know the words But they really still don't Because everybody only knows one part And it still's part Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you

Happy birthday Happy birthday To you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday All right Woo

Blow it out Make a wish Make a wish So make a wish, baby. All right. Bro, I'm not going to have. I think that's the single most impressive thing you've ever done, bro. How do you feel about your birthday, man?

That is the most impressive thing I've ever seen you do to sustain that bullshit energy for fucking two straight minutes through the music, paint that picture. Like, we all knew where the fuck we were in that moment. Oh, should I smell weeds? Wax here. What is happening? That's years of radio experience. Fill the time.

Fill the time, baby. Listen, it is Shult's birthday. Oh, my God, bro. In today's episode, of Brilliant, this is also bought to you by the new season of the Spotify original podcast, Dissect. All right, Dissect is a serialized

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Scream, dissect on Spotify, Stitcher, wherever you get your podcast, because great art deserves more than a swipe. Okay? Happy birthday, Andrew Shokes. Thank you, sir. And the sad part about life is when you're celebrating somebody's birthday, you end up

having to celebrate somebody's death. I don't want to say celebrate. You're celebrating somebody's life because they died. 100%. R. IP. Spoon. Yeah, man. John Wizard'spoon. Jesus Christ. You know what's so crazy. John Woodle Spoon has always seem old, right? Yeah.

And you really look at these older people and you really just don't ever know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that's a lot of our celebrities, you know, whether they actors, musicians, like, they're up in age. Like, we had Patty LaBelle on the show this weekend. I was having a... She looked great, by the way. Looks amazing.

You know what I'm saying? You know what's Patty? She got to be like either late 70s or 80. Is she the one making the pies? Making the fucking pies, man. Yeah, dude. She's been killing it. You know what I'm saying?

But it's like when you're having a conversation with her and like I'm talking to her. about death, you know, does she have a question her own mortality? Yeah, because, I mean, 75, because people around her, like her peers, the Aretha Franklin, the Diane Carrolls, they passed away. How did that make you feel? You know what I mean? What would she say? She said that she doesn't

think like that, you know. She feels like she's just going to be here and she just enjoying life. You know, she said it was a period of her life, but she did feel like she wanted to die. Yeah, because she said for like five years, she had lost her voice. And that was everything. That was her identity.

That was her gift. She had lost their voice. She didn't know. She didn't realize that she said she didn't know what it was. And she said it just came back. She used to do shows. And she used to be like feeling so bad for the people at the shows because they used to be like, she ain't got it no more. Fatty ain't got it no more.

And she was like it just came back. You know, and she said in that moment, she felt like she wanted to go, you know. I guess because she felt like she didn't have anything lived for if she couldn't sing. Right. It's off of the world. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tricky thing, man.

Life. and I was kind of reflecting a bit last night. I feel like John Wilson's one made his mark, though. Oh, dude, absolutely. That's it. Yeah, man. He's been in such classic shit. Yeah.

Friday movies, Granddad on the boondocks. The Wayans brothers. The Wands brothers. Like, I just feel like boomerang. Yeah. Like, I just feel like he's made his mark. Jay Z, give it to me video. Yeah.

No, those are classic shit. Y'all joking. That's classic shit to be a part. of, bro. Yeah. What you was reflecting on last night? Just life in general, man. It's like, oh, shit, having that pre-birthday mortality.

Real talk. Mortality conversation with yourself. It was like, it wasn't even mortality. It was like, I went to a bar. I did a show, and I went to a bar, and I sat at the bar by myself, and I ordered a drink. And I sat there, and I just started thinking about, like, it was the first time I've had a moment to just kind of reflect, right? in a while because we've just been going, going, going. I'm sitting there and I'm like,

what is the purpose of all this? Like, what is the purpose of, like, working so hard and never having a time to just enjoy it? And I started thinking, like, is it worth being on the top if there's nobody there to share it with? And I think that so many people get caught up

in, like, the conquering of things. You know, like, maybe Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg, I don't know if, if they feel that way, but like, they want to conquer, and then you conquer the world, and then you're alone. You know,

so it's really important to me, I realize in that moment that, like, when I'm on top, that I can share that with all the people that helped me get there. Well, I think that's really fucking important. And share the journey as well. Like, take time on the fucking journey to go,

hey, man, look what we're doing. This is pretty awesome. Isn't it cool what we've achieved? Like this is amazing. All right, let's go to the next level. But it was just one of those moments where I was like, I'm not going to fucking waste the journey. I think what you're experiencing right now

is process and purpose, right? Because in life, we always tend to forget the process. The process is the most fun part. Yeah. Like that journey is the most fun part. My mom would say that. When you go back and you sit around and you think about where you are,

you're not thinking about being on that stage, you're thinking about everything. And when you and Alex get on the plane, when y'all first started the YouTube, whatever the fuck it was. Like, you think about that journey. Like, that's the things that you're sitting around.

when you're on that boat in Australia. You're like, you know, man, we started this fucking YouTube picture. You start thinking about the process. And then the purpose comes with knowing that your true purpose in life is service to others. Right. A white guy on the top of the hill yelling and screaming about how great you are. Nobody can hear you. You're way up there and you're screaming.

Like, who the fuck is that? Look at that crazy motherfucker all the way up there by itself. You're way up there and you're going, hey, isn't this view great? Wait. Nobody there. Oh, wow. But when you're empowered somebody over here and empower somebody over there and empowered somebody over there and there and there and there, you got all of these people just talking about you. Yeah.

That's it. Yeah, man. Just sharing those moments. It's very, it's very, yeah. That's why I appreciate. I appreciate birthdays so much, man. I never used to be a big birthday person, probably because I was raised Jehovah Witness,

so we never celebrated them to begin with. Yeah. So they never seemed like a big deal to me, you know? But I appreciate birthdays no more now because of death. You know what I'm saying? Because you're approaching it? Um, no, I'm not approaching. I don't think I'm approaching it.

I would probably pray not. We're all approaching it at some point. It's life. But I'm just saying like, I want as many birthdays as I can possibly get. I think that, you know, we put so much emphasis. this on youth and we don't even realize that you're really not young that long. Like you're young from like one. Literally you're really young for like 18 years.

You know what my dad would always say? Youth, why is it wasted on the young? Yes. It's so fucking true, right? Like once you get up here, you're like, man, when I was 18, if I knew the shit, did I know now? And you throw it away all the way and that's part of the journey, it is what it is. That's it.

But I think that's why, well, obviously we don't want to die, but I think that's why we really try to stretch out these end of our lives because once you finally start to figure a few things out, you're like, no, let me play in this for a little bit. You really start to enjoy life. Yeah. Like, there's certain things that I'm not going to bypass anymore. Like, if my people are having a milestone birthday

or just a birthday period, I want to be there to celebrate with them. If I can physically be there, I'm going to be there. I just think that that is part of the process that we tend not to enjoy. Like, you shouldn't just blow past your birthday. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you should enjoy it. You should eat a fucking cupcake.

Yeah. You should expect to get a blowjob later. You know what I'm saying? I'm serious. You should expect somebody to take you to a nice dinner. You know, I'm serious. I turn down the blow jobs, the birthday blow jobs. Why?

Because I don't want to set a precedent that the blow job is a gift. It should be a regular thing. Do you know what I mean? But I feel like if we put it on a pedestal, then when it's not the birthday, she's down there sucking like, why would I be giving him a blow job on his not birthday? I never like that, Jared, my song, birthday sex. Fuck that. Yeah, I don't want sex on your birthday.

How you go give me the same shit on Thursday? Exactly. It's the thought that counts. Put some thought into it. God damn it. Bring some other girl for some sex. See, I know. That's the gift.

The gift that keeps on giving. No, I'm with you, man. I'm with you. I just think everybody should enjoy life simply because death exists. That's something Ryan Holiday had been trying to tell me for the longest. He gave me this coin, and this coin is like a mortality coin. And it's like, you're supposed to look at it. And it's supposed to remind you.

It says something on the coin like, you don't have much time. Which sounds mad morbid. But it's true. It's true. Think about, how old are you? 41. 41? Yeah.

I want you to think about right now how fast 41 years is gone. Shit. Yeah. Does it not feel like... And when you put it in, when you look at somebody like John Singleton was 77, so that means I got like 30 more years left, which... Bro. That she goes by fast.

It's less than the snap. Like, think about everybody listening right now. Everybody listens right now. We've been doing this for five. years. Yeah, man. Right? Imagine someone's like, you're going to spend five years in jail. You'd be like, holy shit, how am I going to manage five years? This is how fast.

Yeah, man. It's a crazy thing. And usually, I don't like birthdays because I don't like forced attention, right? Like, I've been fortunate enough in this life where if I want attention, I can get it. You know, and I think there is that, like, force attention thing with a birthday. But I like this perspective that you bring now that's like make it a reflective time. Yes. It's not necessarily like a celebration time as much it is, like, where are we?

what has happened, we're still here. We forget about the happy that's in birthday. Happy to be here. Yeah. You're happy to still be here. Yeah, grateful. Like, I hate when people say, oh, such and such would have been 78th today.

No, he's not, he's dead. He would not have been 78 because it's not possible because he's actually dead, so stop saying that. You know what I'm saying? Say today would have been such and such a 78th birthday. You know what I mean? Because that person, like I was with Delilah, salute to Delilah. Delilah works here at I heart.

We did Dr. Oz a couple weeks ago, and she said, like one of her sons that killed himself. And she was like, he's forever 18. Right? And that's true. It's like a vampire, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's absolutely positively true. Like, that's what it is. And guess what? If I think about, man, if I'd have died at 18, I'd have never got to really experienced life.

Like, I feel like I'm living right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've gotten to do some things. I got some experiences. Like, can you imagine? If you didn't get the, if you didn't see past 20, 21? Man, no. So I appreciate it. And I look forward to my 50s

and I look forward to my 60s. Yeah, I don't. I'm not afraid of old age. Like some people get, like they have a fear of it. I'm not, I actually am excited for it because I feel like there's this completely different part of life. It's one of the things I kind of really admire about Duval because I feel like he's old as a young person.

But like we're in the rat race now. We're going, going, going, trying to get to the top, trying to get to the top. and then I feel like your old age is unlearning all of that is unlearning all the grind, right? It's learning how to just be like hey man you won't just like

sit on a bench in a park and enjoy the day? That's the beauty. That's the beauty. Yo, I never, growing up, growing up, my grandmother had a porch. Everybody had a porch. Yeah. And we never wanted to be on the porch.

We'd sit there and be like, man, let's go do something. Let's go talk about the porch. Yeah, yeah. Now, that's all the fuck. We're on the porch with it. You know what I'm saying? We're sitting in the backyard doing nothing. Like, that has a lot of it.

The beauty of the beauty of life is to get whole enough to appreciate doing nothing. That, yeah. And I think it might take time to get there because I'm like, you know, I can be an anxious guy and I want to like work and get shit done. So like I'm going to have to learn how to not do. Let me tell you, I like what you said about anxiousness, right? Because I thought about this other day when it comes to anxiety. I think a lot of times we get anxious and our anxiety kicks in because we're so focused

on where we want to be or where we think we should be that we're simply not appreciating where the fuck we are. And that's why I said you got to enjoy the moment. Enjoy the moment of this day. Like be happy. I am Andrew Shows. I am 36 years old.

I'm making my own way. I don't live with my parents anymore. Yes. I fucking did it, God. You did it, no, for real. You got to patch yourself on the back and just enjoy that moment. And that'll keep you from being anxious. Like, don't think about nothing else.

Yeah. Don't worry about what the next thing is. And sometimes you just got to stop and enjoy the fucking moment. I think that's what birthdays are, man. Stopping and enjoying the moment. Just a reflection. What did we do this year? What did we do this year?

This year was great. This year was not bad. This year was a fucking amazing year. This year is not fucking bad. Listen, I thought this year was great. Yeah. You know, we did fucking Joe Rogan. Yeah.

You broke a million subscribers on YouTube. Close. We're getting there. I thought you got a million already. No, I had a million on the specials. Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you, got you. All the specials over a million. But either way, even minus the personal stuff, we're here.

Yeah. Because if you ask me, this year is a dove for a number of reasons. You know what I'm saying? But if I had to grade the year in hip-hop, I would give hip-hop a fucking F. Really? And it has nothing to do with the content of the music, anything like that. It's just the fact that Nipsey's down here. F.

F. failing great. Failing fucking great. Yeah. Maybe next year I can see the lesson. in it all. Right. I have yet to grasp the lesson in it all.

Right. Because I don't like, I don't like when people say, oh, you live and you die. That's true. But you shouldn't live and get murdered. You understand what I'm saying?

Yes. If you die, you die. I don't know how John Wood's going to die, but it seemed like it was some natural causes, this old age, whatever. That's how it's all supposed to be. Let life take you. Let life take you.

Let life take you. I would rather, I would rather your choices take you. Meaning like if you ate a bunch of fucked up food and you ended up with diabetes and you die like, okay, well, at least, you know,

you made those choices to do it. Have somebody else take your life? Nah, bro. It's kind of hardwired into us to be grossed out by that, right? Or to be revolted by it, right? Like, that's why it's just the idea of something else taking you. Yes. Right?

Like, or even stealing, right? It's wrong because an outside source is taking it from you. If the wind knocks your ice cream cone out of your hands, we don't go, oh my God, it was stolen from you. That happens. That's fucking life. Anytime you take away somebody's pocket. A good power choice. It's criminal.

It's criminal. Absolutely. It's whether it's their life, whether it's their property, any of that kind of shit. Yeah. The vagina. Their vagina. We recognize it. Yeah.

And it's like maybe that's the crux of our morality. Don't impose yourself on anybody else. Yes. Yes. And every law kind of breaks down from that. Hey, this is my property. Don't be on my property. Don't move into my shit.

Know your boundaries, basically. Know your fucking boundaries. And when somebody encroached on your boundaries, and it affects you, it takes your life or something like that. We're really, we're horrified by it. Yeah, I can accept,

I can accept damn than any type of death. Even car accident makes sense to me. As long as it's... Not drunk driving, anything like that. No one hits you.

But even with that, that makes sense. You know what I mean? Because it's still, somebody made a poor choice. Oh, no, they are drunk driving themselves. Yeah, if I was drunk driving

and I got behind the wheel and something bad happening, you know the consequences of that. Nobody took that from you. Even, oh, man, Even when somebody, that's why I drive and drunk is so bad because it's like, yo, you're not only being selfish, you're not giving a fuck about nobody else on the road

because you might get behind the wheel and kill somebody. Bro, driving drunk should be completely legal if nobody else was involved. Yeah, yeah. Like if everybody had their own highway and you want to drive on your own highway and then just crash your car and kill yourself, that's up to you, dog.

If it was high way, die, and it's only you on the highway. You good? Yes. But the fact that you could kill some mom and his kid and her kid going home, that's why we got to make it illegal. Absolutely, man. There's a, did you listen to the Kanye album?

I've been... I did. And your thoughts on that? I, um... You know what? Let's do a mid-roll and come back and talk about that. Okay. I don't want to connect that with deaf.

I actually want to get away from this deaf conversation because it's sad. It's making you sad. How, we... I guess. Yeah, we could do the mid-row. Why? I was just looking at the time. We're fine.

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Kanye's album. You know what's so crazy? What's that? I had totally forgot about Kanye's album until you said something about it. I like the album. Let me see. Do I like the album?

Let me see. Let me see. Okay. I listed the album twice. I don't dislike the album. my biggest critique of Kanye West's album is that the production is great like most of his albums always are

the songs, the song structures are great the worst part of Kanye West album is absolutely Kanye West. Interesting. Kanye West sucks on every song. And it's not even his lyrics, it's his voice. It's something about Kanye's voice on these records.

What I would have done if I was Kanye West, and I'm not Kanye West, and I'm not a musician. I'm just telling you what I would have done. how I would have maybe made this a better project. If certain songs, he shouldn't be on, right? Like the song with Declipson Kenny G. Instead of Kanye singing the hook,

bringing a real vocalist and just let Malison push it do their thing along with Kenny G. The song with Tide Dollar Signs and Aunt Clemens, Kanye don't need to be on that record. Like, give that to somebody else. Like, go get La Cray. You know what I mean?

Go get real rappers other than La Cray. Like, Lecray's a real rapper, but go get rappers that are, I guess, secular since now you're doing gospel gospel music. Get secular rappers and let them rap about God. It's not like these rappers

haven't done it. It's not like a style of P or Jada kids haven't ever rapped about their spirituality. It's not like a fabulous can't rap about this spirituality. It's not like a Lupe Fiasco

can't rap about this spirituality. Go get common. Chance. Chance. Where is chance? Yes. Yes. This would have been a great album

minus Kanye West. Kanye should have sat back and been a part of the choir on this one. You know what I'm saying? No, for real. He should have been a part of the choir. Let the choir do that thing.

and bringing other artists to tell his story. And I was wondering about this. I said, maybe Kanye's at the point where his stories are so personal now that he can't have ghost writers. You understand what I'm saying? Because he's got other people trying to write his stories and tell his tales. And it's just something about it that's just not connecting.

It's inauthentic. It don't feel authentic. Good project, though. Like everybody saying the album is whack. I don't agree with that at all. I think that it's some great songs on there with great production, great hoax and everything. I just think the worst part of the album is Kanye West.

Yeah, I thought it was trash. Really? Yeah, I was listening to it on a flight and I was skipping songs. Is it because you're an atheist? No, I'm because I'm not. Oh, you're not, I thought you was atheist. No, and I listen to religious music. Like, I listen to Hill Song.

Hill song be slapping? Slapping! Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hill song is slapping. So it's like, I don't know. I just, if I'm skipping songs, there's got to be something that isn't there. A song on the album, I think, is totally whack. Which one? Closed on Sundays.

That's the shit about Chick-fil-A. That shit is Gabba. Yeah. By the way, and I love the concept because I love the fact of being closed on Sunday like Chick-fil-A, spending time with your family and all that shit like that. Great messaging. It's just a terrible record.

Horrible. Gobbage. That's the only song that I would say absolutely should not be on this album. Yeah. Everything else, the worst part of the album of Kanye, bro. I think you like these records if you get rid of Kanye West. Maybe. I love Follow God.

Follow God. Follow God is track three. Track three. It was either two or three that I really liked. Three slapping. But yeah, I was just skipping the songs. I just wasn't entertained. And here's the thing.

I'm not a Kanye Hater. Dude, Ultra Light Beam is one of my favorite songs ever. Amazing record. And we were talking about this. Alex and I were talking about this. The expectation I had for the album was every song was going to be like Ultra Light Beam.

And I was going to just fucking tear up the entire time because that was such a beautiful song. But, excuse me, I just didn't really like it, which is fine. It is what it is. You know how bad something got to be? to have God all over it and Jesus and people say they don't like it. Son, you know how bad something's got to be

to be listening to it on a flight and it's about God? Lord have mercy. And I'm skipping the songs. Lord have mercy. Yo, think about it. If you walk down the street and somebody hands you a Jesus pamphlet,

you take that pamphlet, bro. Oh, yeah, you do. You take you like, shit, man. Put that fake $20, you know, the $20 just folded and then you open it up is for Jesus. And you want to be like, man, fuck, you, all right, put that shit right in your pocket.

Yeah, exactly. I had that shit for six years. Damn. On my fucking dresser. Wow. Wow, so that is the equivalent. Throwing one of those, throwing that pamphlet away or throwing that $20 bill away is the equivalent

of y'all deleting Jesus out of your playlist. That's it! If you send in your Jesus, if you got that shit on your screaming server, you send it to the trash bin, that's the equivalent. I don't think it's bad, though. I didn't like Jesus. Can we get into a convo, though,

that's more, less about, like, the quality of the album because some people might like it and some people might not. But, like, Kanye's been going on this press run where he continuously speaks about himself is the greatest creative of his generation or something like that. And he keeps calling himself a genius. Let's have that discussion because there's no doubt that he's amazing at music.

I'm not taking music away from him. He's an artistic genius. Is he? Artistic. How so? Outside of music. He's 100%. But you know my theory about the music thing.

I think he just appropriates white shit and just makes it cool for black people. He's designed a dope-ass d'digger. I'm not going from it. The sneaker is a replica of the Roshi run. I don't know what the fuck that is. It was a Nike sneaker that he just ripped off for the easies. And then he's just doing dad shoes. I love it.

I'm 41. I got a corn on my goddamn. But they existed prior. But they existed prior. All the shit that he's done is existed prior. He just made it cool for, you know, a small section of the population. So. Musically, I got to say, he's a genius.

Musically, he's genius. Nobody's questioning it. Like music is art. I said he's just an artistic genius. He started talking about anything else. He got to shut the fuck up. Hey, 100%. Not saying that.

But I think his greatest, I think his greatest ability and asset is his influence. I think he's the ultimate influencer. Top three hip-hop influence. Top three most influential rapper of all time. Or cultural influencers. Cultural influencers.

Like he's getting people to wear certain clothes. He didn't invent the clothes, but he's getting people to wear them who would never wear them. Right? Like he's getting, he's getting young hip-hop influence kids to wear

dad shoes to wear Nirvana sweatshirts Since way it was fashion comfy We were wearing Air Force ones in Timberlands For fucking 10 years getting corns in my feet Bunyons I think that's what's changed I think people realized how fucked up a lot of that shit is

But it took somebody with mega influence To do it Right like there's no doubt that he's influential So if influence makes you a genius In his mind sure He's top three You're a genius Top three most influential rappers of all time are

Tupac Shakur, Jay-Z and Kanye West. I'm with it. Cool. Let's do it. Top three. Outside of hip-hop, I think he's even influential, right? In terms of clothing, 100%. The thing I've loved the most about Kanye over the years is that he really did push away toxic masculinity in hip-hop.

Like, he was the antithesis. What's the word? Antithesis. There you go. My list stops me from doing stuff like the executing words like that. but he was like when 50 was like the guy the street guy the rapper

you know the gangster he was like what you would consider toxic masculinity right Kanye came in vulnerable I love my mom I'm not afraid to cry I'm emotional like he bought that sacred masculinity

divine masculinity to the game when toxic masculinity was running rampant and he bred a whole generation of rappers because of that the drinks the Kendricks the Coles the Wals the Wals the Wals The Chalda, the chance to rap was there all line if they say they weren't Froudal Kanye was his truth.

Absolutely. So he had immense influence in that regard as well. Yeah. Right? So here's what I would say. He's incredibly influential. But I don't think he's as influential as Kim. Kim who?

Kardashian. I think Kim Kardashian is more influential than Kanye because Kanye can get you to wear certain clothing. Kim Kardashian has gotten women around the world to change their face and body. Nah. She has literally changed. the shape and facial structure of women. Women are getting fillers, lip injections,

and all these things to have... If you go around L.A., you go to clubs in L.A., you'll see Kim Kardashian ten times in the same club. Actually, y'all look like Kylie now. Regardless. Kylie is fruit off of... Kim's tree. Kim's tree, right?

The reason I can't say she's more influential is because there's nothing more powerful than music, bro. Music move, move... But music isn't making you change the shape. What is a bigger investment? Putting a shirt on your body or changing the shape of your body. Forever.

It will never be the same again after you make that change. I can throw out a pair of Yeezys. I can't throw out a pair of lips. Yeah, but Kanye influences you. He influences your mind in a different way. I know kids that said they went to college because of Kanye. Like, seriously, like, I know people who Kanye just helped get through that. He helped them get through life, bro.

And music is way more powerful than whatever Kim doing. And I'm not saying Kim's not influential. She is. Very. But, man, bro. I just don't know. You got Kanye Kim. Say again.

Music got Kanye and Kim. 100%. But Kim got Kanye to do LIPO. Hey, you got a point. Hey. Man. He kind of got a point. You know what I'm saying?

Kim got her dad to be her mom. Yeah. What? Give me the boy, Taylor. Yo, you lost your poor privileges, yo. You lost your poor privilege. Out here dropping tank singles. Exactly.

We're not interviewing tank. You know what else is interesting about the Kanye thing? Do you see what I'm saying, no? I feel you? Like, that is, like, what she has done, I don't think we consider influence because it's not influencing.

You've spoken about this a lot. Yeah, I do. But it's like, it's influenced in a different way, but like we literally have people changing the shape of their body forever. Like, that is insane to me. I mean, I think bigger than that, Kim has changed just the culture of celebrity. Like, like, everybody's following the Kardashian model of celebrity, which is being famous for nothing.

Like, your biggest commodity is you. Like, for whatever reason, you know how Sign phone had a show about nothing? Like, the Kardashians have had a reality show about nothing. Like, their whole existence has been about nothing. It started with a sex tape, and then for whatever reason, since that sex tape, we could not keep our eyes. off this girl, then she introduced her family, and we can't keep their eyes off the family, and we don't know why.

We're all invested. This is going on over a decade of better, bro. We're all invested, and we don't know why. With that said, that's why I don't get mad at Kanye West. When people say Kanye West is using religion to sell records or he's using God to sell records or using God to sell merch because it's a very slippery slope when you're an artist, right? When you're an artist, when you're a public figure,

your greatest commodity is you. So whatever is going on in your life, you're going to talk about it. Whatever's going on in your life, you're going to talk about in your stand-up. Whatever's going on in my life, I'm going to talk about in radio. I'm going about it in books.

So our greatest commodity is our life. So if Kanye's going through this thing where he's in the God right now, it's going to be reflected in music. That's going to be reflected in his music. So you can't really be mad at him. You can't be mad at him because he named the album,

Jesus is king. You can't be mad at him because he's putting Jesus on merchandise. That's where he's at in his life right now. Yeah. Your greatest commodity when you're an artist is you. You're a public.

figure so you're always selling you. So if that's who Kanye West is right now, that's what he's selling. Can't really be mad at that. That's actually the Kardashian motto. We're the ones that keep buying into this shit. Yeah, it's interesting. We used to think that you needed to have a skill to be famous. Nah, Kardashians changed that.

Paris, to a certain extent. Was Paris the first? Are the Kardashians? Paris was the first? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've told this story before, and I know I've told this story. For Marilyn Monroe? Was she that? Paris was definitely Kimmer. blueprint. And I know this for a fact because I've told y'all before when I used to work for Wendy Williams, Kim and Courtney sometimes Kim and Chloe would fly in New York and they would literally

just come hang out in Wendy's office when she worked at WBLS. They was cool with Wendy's assistant at the time talent booker Nicole Spence, Sluke to Nicole, that's the homie. And they just used to be there wanting to get an interview. Yeah. And Kim used to be in there talking about how she was going Paris Hilton the game. She used to be in there saying that. She used to be in there talking about So what is it about Paras Hilton? What is it about Kim? Like, what did we learn from that? We don't care about skill.

We care about lifestyle. Not just lifestyle. You said it earlier. What? Perhaps was on the hill by herself. Go, go again. Crash was on the hill by herself. She was at the top alone.

There was nobody else doing that at the time. Reality show stars. It might have been like Nicole Ritchie might have been a reality show star at the time. Yeah, yeah. Like there was no big, who was the big reality stars back then? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I could be totally wrong.

Yeah. I don't remember anybody being famous. for just being famous before Paris Hilton. But she was up there by herself. Kim took that same route and bought her family with her. But why did we, like, I understand that, but why were we looking at Paris and why were we, like I assume we looked at Paris because her skill,

if you will, it's not really a skill, but what she brought to the table was lifestyle. We're like, this is a cool look into a lifestyle most people will never get to live. Being rich, being a debutante, being... I don't know why we like Paris. That's my. assumption the same thing goes for the Kardashians.

I can give reasons why we like Kim. Kim was fine. Yo, but Paris to Paris to a subset of people? No. Very fine. I know you don't think so, but you have to understand. You thought she was fine, bro? I thought she was okay. Even when you heard about the herpes? Say again? When you heard about the herpes?

She had herpes? Allegedly. Well, now I do. Now you find a more. You bug catching you? Jesus Christ. Okay, before herpes, what would you rank parents hilton before you knew she had herpes when you just looking at it back

and the day what was your rank? It's not my ideal girl okay that being said that modely look is obviously very popular to people because that's what models look like most models don't look like him you know she did also change like body size appreciation and she came in through the hood came into hip-hop girl here she was on in front of king magazine smooth magazine all that shit like that it was the who's this girl ray j banging like kim came in through That urban, I hate that word, that urban scene. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Why you hate that word? Actually, that word is so outdated and it's like so played out. Because we're afraid to say black. We're afraid to say black. But now you got white people moving into urban areas. God forbid. Brooklyn, all those gentrified places in Brooklyn. Those are urban areas.

Like you can go on these websites now and you're like, find a new chic a condo in an urban area. It's like, you know what I mean? Urban means something different. But aren't I urban? because I grew up in the city. She's sending me pictures of... So I am urban.

Paris. But she was famous before the sex tape. Her fucking daddy is a billionaire. A granddad is someone. Al was going to say something. What? Ah. Come here, Alex.

Come say that. So Paris lifted the curtain of the New York party scene. L.A. party scene. No, Paris Hilton, I thought. I thought Hilton lifted New York. I thought Paris was in L.A. Ah, so Paris lifted the L.A.

party scene. So prior to that, the L.A. party scene was like, We're in the hills. We're isolated. It's a secret thing. This is how rich people hang out, but nobody can see it. And then all of a sudden, she exposed that. And the only, like, view that we had of that lifestyle prior was, like, those pictures in People magazine.

Blah, blah, blah, walking out of this club. And all of a sudden, we're fucking in it. So we are, this is the same reason why people love the royals. You know how, like, in Europe, like, people are obsessed with the royal family? We don't really get it as much here because we have, like, celebs. But the royals have never done anything, right? they're no different than Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian. They don't have a skill, right?

They just kind of exist. They come from something. Even Kim came for something. That's Robert Kardashian's daughter. Robert represented O.J. Boom. It's a backstory there. Chloe might be OJ's daughter.

You know what I'm saying? Like it's a backstory. It's exciting. It's a backstory there. Nicole and Chris were cool. Like the family split apart because Robert was representing OJ and Kristen felt like they did. Like it's a backstory there.

And once you realize that, Once you realize this girl getting back shots from Ray J had a backstory, you're like, oh shit. Perfect recipe. Absolutely. And Paris couldn't keep up. Paris didn't have the backstory. She didn't have a, it was boring. It was boring.

It was like her granddaddy or whatever owns the Hilton Hotel. Billionaire, boring. So what? We don't give a fuck. Like, Chris Kim had a backstory. And when she got on the hill, she bought her people with her. So even if our attention. Paris is D.C., Kim is Marvel.

Because even if our attention, imagine if we'd have got tired. Instead of Joker, we need Jenner. Exactly. But imagine we probably would have got. tired of Kim if Kim was by herself. You understand what I'm saying? So she changed it up enough to keep things going. Boom.

She bought her family along. You're like, now you've got to pay attention to all of these different people. You've got to pay attention to Courtney and Chloe. And Chloe's dating basketball players. And Courtney got this crazy-ass husband named Scott and, you know, the father-in-law, Bruce is Olympic champion. But now he wants to be a woman. And it's just a lot there.

Like, it doesn't stop. It's all these different storylines over and over and over and over and over. Huh. Now you've got a whole new generation. You got Chris and you got Collie. Now you've got the nieces and the nephews. But they all of all. the same thing, right?

They all involve access into a lifestyle most people don't get to see. So that's what it is. If you don't have a skill, just have a lifestyle. I think there's probably, you know, like,

I wonder if there's people, you know these like rappers that have like all the face tattoos and shit and we don't really know them. They're like on SoundCloud and that kind of stuff. But you're kind of fascinated with them because you're like,

what the fuck do you do all day? You got face tattoo? You're not like you have a regular job. You're rapping, So hopefully you're not like selling drugs Like what is going on? You're curious. It's a lifestyle.

It's like a white person watching good times. It's like a white person watching the wire. That's what I would watch it for. The Sopranos, I never watched. Absolutely. Because I got it. It was too close. Absolutely.

I've seen that. Absolutely. But the wire was like, how do I get invested in this thing? Absolutely. But if somebody's from the hood or from the street, you may not appreciate the wire the same. Because it's too familiar. And you'll call out the fake shit.

You're like, ah, that could never happen. Absolutely. The same way people do power now. I watch Power And I'm like, get the fuck out of here Yo, I'm like, yo, these motherfuckers talk on the phone About crime Way too much to be getting

motherfucking trail by the feds By the way, I hate power Go, go, go, go. I love it so much I love it but I hate it so much Power is the only show I absolutely positively root for the white person All the time.

Yeah, you were saying this, yeah, yeah, yeah. I root for Tommy so fucking much I hate the St. Patrick's. Why? Because they are just so stupid. Like Ghost will call Tommy and be like, yo Tommy, you fucking killed him? You murdered him?

at the club at such and such time PM? I'm like, what happened to feds tapping phones? Like, for real? Like, the shit makes no sense. Tommy drove around in this blue muscle car forever.

Yeah, yeah. And nobody ever saw the car. This big, bright blue muscle cars at the scene at every crime and nobody ever paid it no fucking attention, bro. Like, yo, the other day they busted the warehouse, right?

They busted the fucking warehouse, right? So they arrested Tommy's henchmen. Yeah. It's broad daylight. Tommy's like behind the gate, behind the tires, looking at them. And the police don't see him, but his henchmen see him. And the hitchman are talking loud and shit like, that motherfucker, that motherfucker got us set us up and sitting there watching it. We're going to get that motherfucker.

And all you hear the police say, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on. I'm like, power, come on, man. At least be a little real. Just trying to be a little realistic. That makes sense to me. No. White privilege. What is entertaining?

If you're white, I'm not going to lie. If I committed a crime and then I walked away and the police came and arrested whoever's there, I'd stand in watch. Yeah, you just hide behind some things. He was hiding in plain sight. You just go, get them, officer. And then they believe you. Get them. Arrest them. Arrest these bad guys. What are they doing in this warehouse with all these drugs?

They're ruining the neighborhood. Listen. They're bringing down the neighborhood these guys. Wait, does Tommy have white guys working for him? No. So he employs black people. You've got to support Tommy, man. He's supporting black business.

He's higher in black. He is the Tyler Perry of power. He is. Dude, Tyler Perry has two white names. Tyler and Perry. If that isn't the white, it's Tommy Perry. Listen.

Dude, for the longest, I thought Ghost was the white guy. I thought that was, like, their name for him. I'm so sick of Ghost. I can't. I'd never watch the show. I want Ghost to die. I actually want all the St. Patrick's to die. Every single one of them, Tasha, Tommy,

By the way, it's a great show. But you know why it's a great show? It's a great show, but you have to approach it. Because you're affected by it, dude. That's how you know it's good. It gets in you, dude. It's just a show. It's entertainment.

You got to tell yourself this because you so. Exactly. You're mad at it. You text 50. You text Piff. Like, yo, what the fuck? No, I don't be sitting there looking at like, yo, this shit is so unreal. The phone shit kills you.

Like, and they do the most obvious shit. Oh, Tommy. Tommy found out that somebody's going to sneak. niche on him. Then the person gets all the, mysteriously ends up dead. Then the police coming and they're like, I know you killed this person, right? If the police wanted to get Tommy, all they had to do was say, hey,

this person's about to set you up. This person's going snitch on you. Oh word, and then just stay at the person's house. Tommy's coming. Like, he's fucking coming. I really can't wait to see how this shit ends. I'm being honest with you. I cannot wait to see how power wraps all of this shit to fuck up, yo. What do you think the key is, and

there are a few shows that have done this, what do you think the key is to engaging the black TV viewer. Because every once in a while, one of these or a couple of these shows pop up, and they get black Twitter talking, they get black people talking, and it becomes this thing that's like ubiquitous with black culture, almost to the point

where you could just go the next day and go, yo, Power is crazy last night. And you know that the black person you're talking to has watched the show. It's actually racist, though. What is? Like if you walk into a black person and be like, yo, you watch Power?

Yo, but if they... They do that with Empire. But if they did it? They used to do that with Empire all the time. No, no, white people do it. Branden white people are like, yo, what do you think of a cookie? Like, what? What?

Can you talk about cookies? Yeah, but you got to understand. No, white people watch it, so they're so excited to talk to someone about it. No, I think that's the opposite. I think mad white people watch it for the same reason we said... Voyeuristic. Yeah, they didn't know that world. I think, I think empire exists like that.

I think power is still... Power is not... Operating in a black vacuum. Not as big and broad. Yeah, yeah. But that's because Empire was on Fox. Of course. So what do you think the key is, right?

Because we saw it happen with Insecure, right? Still happens when Insecure. I know why it happens with Insecure is an easy call. Insecure happens because it's a show starring Black women. So Black women get back and support it. You know what I'm saying? It has a lot of storylines that black women can relate to. It pulls on the heart screens of Black women.

It's a show for black women by Black women. That's all. That's it. That's easy call. Okay, fine. Power, um, I don't know, man. Power was an interesting one because when Power first started,

it didn't have any, like, it wasn't A-List talent on Powell. Amarri Hallberg's not an A-List talent. Natari Haughton's not an A-List talent. Tommy Joseph's a-Lorah, definitely wasn't an A-List talent. Like, Lala's not an A-List. Like, you know what I'm saying? As far as the acting world is concerned, they're not A-List talents. Right.

50, maybe it was the allure of 50 and 50 having a TV show. That's a big deal to me, you know, especially somebody that produces TV and, you know, you know how hard is to get something on the air? Like for him to present a concept and actually get it on TV, that was the initial draw for me. Yeah. And it was good. I mean, I don't...

Al, Al said... Oh, Euphoria is amazing. I didn't watch Euphoria for Drake, though. I had no idea that Drake had anything to do it. Yeah, but I don't know if Euphoria is targeting a black audience. I don't think it is. It's not. What were you going to say, Al? Down. You're saying that's why black people watch it? No.

I was like, that's your hot take, bro? How can you be dressed like Killmonga and say some shit like that? You're supposed to be the wokenest, bro. Dumb it down and then add drama to it. I don't think Powell's dumbed down, though. I haven't seen... I don't think how all that stuff is stupid. I mean, that shit is stupid, but I don't think it's a...

I don't think it's a dumb down show. Like, what's a dumb down show to me? What show is just, like, dumb down? I don't know. I'm really a snob when it comes to television shows, man. I think the same thing that hooks black people is the same thing that hooks everybody. There's certain shows that hook everybody. Game of Thrones hooked everybody.

It did. You know what I'm saying? And those shows became ubiquitous. Black, white, everybody was watching it. Absolutely. Breaking Bad. I think everybody watched Breaking Bad. Walking Dead.

Walking Dead was, it was there but not there. It seemed like everybody I knew was watching Walking Dead, Black and White. Fair, but this power and every once in a lot of these shows pop off where it's like so targeted and specific. And I'm just curious as to what the mechanism is. that makes happen. Because if you could identify that mechanism, Charlotte is a guy who likes to produce television, that'd be a valuable asset.

I think the thing is, man, you just got to tell stories that haven't been told to the point we was making earlier. Only because I know I'm the type of person I do like to go into other worlds. So maybe that's it with Power. Maybe it's the world.

Maybe the world is something... Because we've seen all type of street shows before, right? Power is a different kind of street show. Like Top Boy is... The first time I saw Top Boy, I wasn't blown away by Top Boy. But I enjoy Top Boy because I never saw that world. Yeah.

I haven't seen the new iteration of it. You should watch the new one. I heard it's great. This guy, Cano, he's a rapper. He plays Sully. I know Cano. Krypton Cano. Yeah.

And the guy who plays opposite him, I can't believe I'm forgetting his name. Forget his name. But they are brilliant, man. I'm talking about, I couldn't believe this guy started as a rapper. That's how good he was at acting. I'm talking about like emotional scenes. Not, yo, I'm going to be a gangster. Like, if you're a gangster rapper and someone says,

yo, can you be a gangster in that scene? It's like, yeah, you've been pretending to be gangster on fucking camera for your career. Like, of course. This guy's doing emotionally traumatic scenes and murdering it. Killing it. Dude, the season is great. And I started the old one, and I didn't like it that much.

But this last season was really fucking good. I didn't dislike the old one. I actually enjoyed it, but it was because of the world. You understand what I'm saying? There wasn't enough guns for me in the old one. But it's the London. That's the thing. It's like we're not going to...

Yeah, but like I'm not going to watch a gangster show where it's like, can we share the gun? But that's the dope part of it. Like, I actually enjoyed that because think about it, one person with a gun in London, run shit. Yeah, and Land of the Blind, the man with one eyes king. Warned up! Yeah. That's a little two-two. You running everything you got?

I just enjoyed it and it was quick. It was only four episodes of season. How many episodes on this one? This one was eight out, eight or ten? It was eight episodes. That's what I'm going to do this weekend. I'm home binge watch Top Boy. I'm home. I haven't been home in the past few weekends.

I am absolutely binge watching Top Boy this week. Get it in. Dude, it's really good. The acting is good. They're in Jamaica for part of it. They're like mixing different worlds. Drake's the EP in it. And Drake's the EP in youropia. He's the EPOCHOX-Eafior too.

Drake is making money, man. Drake is attaching himself to some good shit, bro. I'm not going to lie to you. I love Euphoria. By the way. I haven't watched Euphoria. But I kind of have... I kind of have a...

I kind of have a... issue with Euphoria. Why? And I, and I, it's classic Schultz issue, meaning I'm going to have an issue with it without ever watching it. But you would enjoy it, bro. I'm sure, okay, I might enjoy it. So Game of Thrones comes out, right? And the crux of Game of Thrones really is like, everything that we're morally detested by is going to be in the movie, is going to be in the show, right? Murder, incest, rape, uh, pedophilia, like all the worst things is game. of Thrones, right? We're going to fuck each other, you know, kids, brothers and sisters, hang on dinner. So HBO is like, okay, we know what people like, we can't just give them

the exact same thing in a Game of Thrones world. How can we give them that shit that is like porn, like porn titles, but in a digestible show? So now there's this high school show where you're essentially watching high school kids hook up, right? Now, if that was porn, you'd go to prison for it. but because it's happening in a TV show, you're not going to prison. But you're watching high school kids hook up. Yeah, but it's not just that. Think about how we look at this generation.

But isn't there something to that? Aren't I on to it a little bit? Like, if you watch the 15-year-old and 16-year-old have sex on a video, you're going to prison for child porn. But if you watch them do it on HBO, it's art. Well, it's good. There's got to be something. Like weird about that, right?

It's like a safe way for us to watch teens bang. I get what you're saying. But it's the world, though. I got to see it. Because think about how we look at these kids and we're like, what the fuck are they doing? Like, you got transgender's on the show. Right. You got, you know, the guy who's battling his sexuality.

Don't know whether he's like men or women. You can see how he treats women because of it. And then like his father's a fucking pedophile. His father's a pedophile and he's gay. You know what I'm saying? Well, he's both young boys and girls. So you see how that is passed on to the generation because his son is confused about his sexuality and shit

and his son is abusive towards his girlfriend because he's, oh man, the shit is good, bro. I'm not going to front you. Zendaya's character is a drug addict and she's in and out of rehab and how that affects her family. Your four is good, man. I'm not going to front. You see what I'm saying?

Look at all the things you described. It's just like, let's just take the worst things that happen to people, make them happen to teenagers so the drama is even higher. And then we have a show. It's HBO. But, I mean, actually, I think a lot of that shit is really happening, though. It is. We know it is. It does happen.

It's fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shit is really. I mean, I don't, like, I would be, high school would absolutely scammy. Like, they got the one episode with a girl, she gave head for the first time or fucked for the first time and the guys taped it. Bro. The first time she ever popped that pussy fuckoon. She's a poster?

Oh, no, she started selling sex later on in the show. You got, and she's fat. People don't realize that they. No, she is. Because it's the added element to it is that She's a fat woman with confidence That's what I get from it It's the fact that she was fat and she felt insecure about herself

But when she started giving up that Poon Poon She felt good Yeah, and now she's masturbating with guys on camera And they're all into her and it's boosting her confidence And her self-esteem up The show is good, bro. I'm not going to lie Where does it take place?

I don't know where to fuck you for it in L.A.? I don't know I, dude, people don't realize how quick these kids grow up, man. Like, I remember when I was in middle school and these kids are way more advanced than us. When I was in middle school, there was a girl, and this is so sad.

She would give head to guys during lunch, multiple guys. There was a little park, and they would go to this park that was by the school, and then she would just blow guys during lunch. Where is she? Probably in the park.

No, what I mean about that is, you don't never think about where those women are? Yes, dude. You're like, what the fuck? Like, where are they now? Like, what happens to that whole, life, when you live a life like that, when you just out here wild and at such a young age, where are they?

I think about, matter of fact, I know some people, like, it was this one dude who used to bring 40 ounces of liquor to school every day, 40 ounces of beer in middle school. It's like 7th 8th grade. So like, from 7th grade, he would all be bringing 40 ounces. We all get drunk, yada, yada, yada. It's like, he's dead now. He died in prison. So it's just like at that, he was doing that type of BS at an early age.

Clearly it never stopped and it led to him dying in a prison cell. How old are your daughters? 11, 4, and 1. Okay, so you got an 11-year-old daughter. She's in middle school, going into high school in a couple years. You're watching Euphoria. Are you freaking the fuck out? Anxiety attacks through the fucking roof.

Panic attacks through the fucking roof. And my daughter goes to school with a majority of white kids, too. They do all this shit. Do all of that bull shit. Let me tell you, my private school friends, we're way crazier than us. Maybe we smoke a little weed. Well, I didn't smoke a little weed. You know, hang out, drink, you know, 40 on a stoop or some shit.

shit. My private school friends, they're doing fucking coke. The girls were going crazy. Their parents were never fucking home. They just have these big apartments in New York City all by themselves. It was an issue. All end up in rehabs and shit. You got to be, because it's not about your daughter. It's about the people they're around. I will say this. That is true. I will say to, I think about my wife, right? Me and my wife have been together since high school. When I think about the freedom, my wife's parents gave her, it's unfucking believable. Like, like, like, she, I mean, since he was like 16 years old, she was driving, like she would do whatever the fuck she wanted to do.

Yeah. Like, she could literally just be like, oh, I'm staying at a French house tonight. Yeah. And nobody would check. And real talk? That shouldn't have worked out. No.

Because you should be in jail. Why? Well, you used to do drugs and sell drugs. I don't get it. Well, people who sell drugs go to jail. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're the anomaly. I didn't go to jail, though.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't go to jail But do you know what I'm saying? It's not like One way to look back This story is like

Well she had all this freedom And then she ended up meeting this great guy And they have this beautiful family You were the anomaly bro I know I was what you just said When you said hanging around the wrong people When I was a young Her father used to hate her being around me

Reasonable He knew where she was probably hanging out at Which he was in the trap You know what I'm saying You knew I was probably riding around With drugs and guns Which I was You know what I'm saying

Like he absolutely was right everything that we're saying right now is 100% true, it just worked out for us. But I'm saying all that's say when it comes to my wife, I think about that with my daughter's, how strict is too strict because she got the freedom she wanted. So by the time she was in college, none of that shit was like foreign to her.

It's not like she didn't get to do what the fuck she wanted to do so she was able to focus and graduate and get her a degree. And, you know, she's a great woman. It's like you give them the freedom early on and they know what to do with it later, but the freedom early on is when they're easily manipulatable, and what, Taylor? Okay, they're easily manipulatable

and then somebody can get in their heads. You know, I got tons of freedom as a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It worked splendidly for me. I never even really did drugs. To this day, I don't really. I mean, I drank maybe a little bit, but like... Why do you think that is?

Did you see people fucked up? As a kid, I really didn't want to let my parents down. I don't know why I had that feeling. I don't know why it was inside me. That's not supposed to be. Yeah, but you know how some people hate their parents, right? there are some people that will date a guy specifically to piss their fucking dad off. Page.

Page. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect. Yes. So. Page did. Page dated. A black guy in school.

Yes, she did. She took a black guy to the prom. Just the pit to piss her daddy off. Boom. This happens all the time. So, I don't know where we were talking about this. Because you said you got a lot of freedom. But no, but I wanted to like, I wanted to make my parents proud.

And when I didn't make them proud, I was fucking embarrassed. Like, I remember once I was, I had like a. sweater on in school and I had some scissors and I cut the sweater and I felt this immense guilt. I went home and I told my mom, hey, I cut this sweater that you gave me. I don't know why the fuck that was in me, but if you could figure out what the fuck that is and how to get that in your kid, you don't have to worry about your kid fucking up. Yeah. Oh, I, um, group in the white neighborhood. You never hit your intro music? With a fucking boy. You never get your intro right. Come on. You got to get your intro right. Get your intro right.

Stay property. Stay property. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. So, um, when I was, um, growing up, I'm like you though, I was scared to get, like, do something bad for, like, my parents be disappointed in me. Yeah. But I think with my parents, they kind of like, by accident, like, will put it in my head, like, you know, I worked hard for you. Like, don't fuck it up. They guilted you into it.

Not in a weird way, though. Like, I know I was very aware of how, like, my dad lived, especially seeing how his, um, his siblings were and stuff of that and how he was able to, like, bring us to a better life and stuff like that. Yeah. So I didn't want to, like, disappoint him in that way. You felt the responsibility to not, yeah. As all kids you feel.

I didn't feel that at all. Really? I didn't. I didn't feel that way at all. I don't know what the fuck it was. Like, maybe I saw how hard they worked. And then maybe it was the hard work, or maybe it was like, you know what I used to like as a kid? This was weird.

I used to like the reviews I would get when I would like stay at a friend's house. Like my parents would be like, oh, Derek's mom and dad said you were just so well behaved and so polite and that kind of stuff. And it made me happy to think that my parents raise me well. Yeah, I never got. I don't know why. I never got any of that because, like, my father was in and out of real. rehab and stuff like that. So like that reinforcement, those affirmations you should get from your father, you didn't get.

And then I think about my mom. My mom was busy raising my two younger brothers and sisters and trying to just keep my head on straight and dealing with my dad's bullshit. So she never had the opportunity to give me those kind of affirmations either. So all my affirmations came from the streets. So that's it. So you got a fucking, I guess you have to. I like that compliment your kids.

Yeah, I like that laugh from the class. I like when the class is laughing at you. I like when the class is happy to see you. I like when, you know, you pull up in that, you got a little loom in a caravan and people happy to see you because they need a ride to the fucking store. Like, I like that.

That's the affirmation I was getting. But I do agree with you. You have to compliment your kids. Like all your kids' affirmations have to come from you. That's what I really, truly feel. Yes, because if they don't come from you, they're going to come from someone else. And the last thing you want is some guy

being the one that validates your daughter and not you. 100%. Especially with a girl. 100%. But I see, I mean, it's little things that I even notice. Like, my daughter's 11, my other daughter's 4. Both of them constantly asked for my validation.

And I didn't realize this until recently, which is so weird. Because I'm always giving them affirmations and, you know, telling them, I always say, I see God in you. That's what I say to my daughters. I say God in you, right? Yeah, yeah. But if I don't say something, they ask. Eddie, do you like this? Eddie, what do you think of this?

You like this? So they want that. Yes. So I'm always giving it to them. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're never going to have to seek that from anybody else. And God. You got to put that, that's how you, that's how I think you put self-esteem in a person.

You know what I'm saying? Hmm. You know? By constantly affirming them? Absolutely. Constantly giving them positive affirmations. I don't know if I agree. I don't know if I agree with that entirely.

Tell me why. I think that if you only give positive affirmation, they don't trust that it's real. Well, you got to know how to give the negative. I don't know, no. I don't want to call it negative affirmation because you don't ever want to give somebody a negative affirmation. But you got to know how to tell your child about the negative. Like I told you about the time when, you know, my daughter was running track. Yeah, and you were like, that was trash.

I was like, yo, that was trash. Like she did the long jump. She had never done the long jump before. She did it. And I'm like, yeah, that was hard. And she just burst into tears. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that shit, oh, my God, that shit broke my heart.

You know what I mean? So my wife was telling me, like, you can't talk to her like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're not one of your little friends. You know what I'm saying? You got to approach her and you got to tell her what it is she did wrong. Yeah.

You know what I had that different conversation with her like, look, you're better than this. I see you run faster around the house. Like you can dust everybody out here. You just have to really focus and just do it. Just run your race. Like stop worrying about what everybody's doing in other lanes. Stop worrying about people looking at you just go. Busting ass ever since.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Busting ass ever since because I gave her that confidence, you know what I'm saying? And even when she doesn't, when she loses, I'm like, yo, you did your best. I don't care if you win I just want you to do your best and that's what she's been going out there and doing ever since and it's worked

But there has to be times where you are critical if it's truthful I just feel like you can lose You can lose the value of the validation I think there's I think there's a reason why why we crave our father's validation

more so than our mothers Because mothers are always telling you everything's great Yes Mother is the pastor mother is the pastor that when you die, they get you into heaven, even if you fucking watch child porn and killed 20 people. Yep. Nah, dude, it is true.

What's not true? Your mom didn't do that shit for you? You can't look at them. I didn't want nothing to breathe on them because I'm going to eat one of them motherfuckers. You shit is calling me. I'm like, what the fuck, man? But do you know what I'm saying? I don't worry about your pregnancy because of my mom's.

You isn't more scarier one. No, no, that's fair. That's fair about scary. But I guess what I'm trying to say is like, you know, you hear all these stories about girls who ended up being like strippers or hookers or these types of things, right? And none of them have a dad. They have this horrible relationship with their dad, this kind of shit. Like, I don't know any guy who's like a Chippendale's dancer because his mom wasn't around. Right?

Right, though? Isn't there something to that? No, there's something to that. So it's like, I just feel like we know, we come out of our mothers, right? Like, we literally come out of their bodies. They can't not love us. I have. My mom literally just told me, bro.

Maybe last month, maybe two months ago. My mom said to me, you are not that little boy still trying to impress your father anymore. Because I know for a fact, all I've ever wanted was my daddy's respect. Isn't that? All I've ever wanted him to tell me

was I was doing a good job. All I wanted was affirmations for my pops. And when I was young, I did not get that. When I was young, he would compare me to my other cousins who played football because I was getting in trouble. I was always, you know, class clown fighting and shit. I was in high school.

I know he's getting to play football. He used to be like, you don't want to play football like your cousin Malah, you know, you're this person and that person. And he used to always compare me to people. And that shit did nothing but fucking ruin myself. Destroy you. Yes. Like, I'm not going to ever be good enough for this motherfucker.

Yeah. And throughout my whole life, I've always wanted that. And I remember she literally told me, she was like, you are not the same little boy that has the need. feels the need to impress his father. And you don't realize how much that shit fucks to you until you get older. I'm in therapy crying my ass.

Why does he love me? No, no, I actually said, the one time I, my therapist says, a breakthrough. The one time I cried in therapy, I was crying because I was like, yo, my dad ain't never taught me shit. All he ever fucking did was discipline me

because I didn't know the shit. He didn't teach me. You motherfucker This is your fault And now I'm getting punting for Like straight up I'm getting punished Why can't you throw a baseball?

Because you never play catch Me, motherfucker You can't admit You're going to beat me up Because I said Michael Bivens was cute It's your fucking fault I'm eight years old I'm in the room with my goddamn

sister and my two women cousins watching BBD fucking poison video And my sister's like, oh, Ronnie's the cute. And my other cousin's like, oh, no, Ricky's the cute. And I'm just like, I just want to be down. Michael's the cute one. Daddy!

No, I just said somebody cute. What? Who cute? Get outside and go play with the goddamn boy. Well, if you would have been to being a fucking father, I wouldn't have to be in here with all these goddamn girls to begin with. Letting the TV babysit me, the fuck is wrong with you. That'd be really funny if he took you outside.

And he was like, all right, he is a Q-1, but don't ever say that again. Yo, by the way, yo, I'm going to say something else. And listen, I'm not blaming any, I don't blame, I don't blame my toxic masculinity on anybody else. I will take full accountability for all my toxic masculinity. But my daddy has fucked me up. I remember when we had a menagerie twas, right? This is when I was like, I was going like real straight, meaning like my girl had just broke up with me. And we were, we were broken up for the whole year.

And I said to myself, in order. get my girl back, I got to be a better human being. I started doing youth ministry at the mosque. Like, I was, I was Muslim now. Like, I was that person, right? Me and my dude, DJ Frosty. Frosty getting married in a couple, a couple of weeks. I'm gonna be, I'm, in his wedding.

But, Frosty, hope your wife knows this story. But we have Frosty's house. Two girls there. We're getting drunk. We're having a good time, whatever, whatever. And I wasn't even drinking then. They forced me to drink, right? They're like, oh, you got a drink.

I'm like, I don't want to drink. Like, no, he's playing Uno. So you're playing Uno, and every time you lose a hand of Uno, you got to take a shot. You're taking a shot. So I'm drunk. I'm laying on the couch. I'm in a fetal position, crying my eyes out because I'm like, oh, my God, Allah's going to punish me. I'm in here drinking, whatever, whatever.

Frosty's in the room. He's getting it in with the two girls. Frosty comes out. Frosty comes out. You want you to come in. I'm like, no, I'm leaving. I try to leave. No, you can't go, man.

Why are you leaving? I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. This girl goes, Charleston, bring your ass in here, and I don't want to hear none of that God body shit. Right? so disgrunt and think Allah is going to punish me so much that I started talking.

At the time, I didn't know I dealt with anxiety. So I'm having a panic attack for like three, four days straight. And I'm talking crazy. Like, I'm going to kill myself, this and that, yada, yada, yada. Frosty them called my pops, called my mom, whatever, told my wife. Pops drives up an hour and a half from Monk's corner to Columbia. Comes to my apartment. He's like, what the fuck is the problem?

I'm like, yo, man. I'm in, you know, not with my wife. She's not my wife, but I'm not with her right now. And, you know, I'm trying to do right. I'm going to doing youth ministry at the Moss and me and Zach Frosty House and started drinking and then, you know, had sex, had him in a noddy talking about that,

goes, wasn't with no guy, right? And I'm like, no, it wasn't with a fucking guy, right? And then he goes, so you're two girls. You got drunk in that sex with two girls. I said, yes. And he goes, well, where the fuck is the liquor and the goddamn girls at? Because now I'm stressed out

because of this bullshit you don't put me through. I drove an hour and a half here and you fucking whiling over some pussy and some liquor? Now, was he wrong? Right? Absolutely. Did it bring me back down to center? Did my anxiety immediately go away?

100%. Was that the right thing to probably tell your son in that moment? No! Not if he's trying to do the right thing. If he's trying to do the right thing, it's a way to have that conversation and say, look, we all make mistakes, which he eventually did get around to doing.

But in that moment, he planted those seeds in me because he always used to make me feel like being with one girl was the wrong thing to do. Interesting. I remember when I confronted him about, cheating on my mom. And he looked me dead in my eyes and said to me,

yo, you only got one girl? You only got one girlfriend? One day you're going to understand. So in my mind, I'm like, yo, so it's wrong to be with one girl? Yeah. Like, oh, I've been on, I really have been on my black men

don't cheat shit for a long time. I've never been the type. Oh, here, Taylor. What to fuck? I've been, I've been on this for a long time. You know what I mean? I've never been the type of person.

and I need to be with a bunch of different women. But my father made me feel... That's the first time you've complimented Taylor. It's the first time you got with something to done something right. I'm sorry to treat you the way my dad treated me. Hurt people, hurt people. But it's the truth. Like, he always made me feel like the things I was doing that were right were wrong.

Right. That shit fucked me up, bro for a long time. Yeah, no, that's a really interesting thing you said before. He used to reprimand you for the shit that he never taught you, for doing the shit that he never taught you not to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. I remember one time I ran a stop sign, right?

I was following him. Yeah. He ran the stop sign first. Bro, that shit, that shit right there pisses me off to this day. I'm following him. He runs the stop sign. So I do it. what would he do?

He pulls over on the side of the road. He gets out the car, walks to the car, taps on the one, I wrote the one or not, and he smacks the shit out of me and tells me to wake the fuck up. That's entrapment.

Bro. And by the way, your dad set you up. And he slabs, he just goes, don't trust nobody. And you know what, yo.

Yo, the wild part about that shit is I didn't realize until I started going to therapy. 39 years old, 39 to now, I'm in therapy, unpacking shit, crying about shit that he did to me. And it's so weird because I thought I loved my pops. And I do love my pops. But boy, if therapy hasn't made me hate that, buzz on my mom. You know what I'm saying?

And he don't even get it. He don't even know why sometimes. He'll call my phone on. answer, he text me on, text back. Yeah. Because I just got out there, every thinking about some bullshit you did to me

when I was a motherfucking kid, you know what I mean? But I love him though because he did instill a lot of good things in me. Oh, dude. But the negative outweighed the good, I think, in a lot of ways.

Oh, man, you know what? I'm not going to say that. I just, I go like this. You wouldn't be here without it. Exactly. You didn't have a validation matrix, right? You had nobody that was kind of affirming what you were doing, right?

So you had to go get that somewhere else. You go get that from your friends at school. You get that from the boys on a block, right? but you had to develop skills to get that from the friends of schools and boys in the block because they're way hard to impress than your family member

or your mom was just going to love whatever you do. So you learn how to be funny. You learn how to be charismatic. You learn how to be charming. You learn how to drop hot takes. You learn how to speak. Which my dad is.

That's my pop. All of that is my pops. Everybody knows Larry McCleigh. They know Cowboy. That is cowboy. He's funny. Hot takes. Like, I was literally just talking

to my cousin, Rell over the weekend because Rell is my dad's cousin. They're like around the same age. Funniest's motherfucker you ever meet in your life. Just too old, down south, maggot-loving, they're going to let the maggot fly.

Like, that's them. Like, and I was just talking to them about, I was talking to the real about, so, man, remember that time when Jack Tripper died? Boy, who, you talk about Campbell talking to. Woo, boy. When Jack Tripper died,

the conversation was, it was between my dad and my cousin, Rell. I'm glad that maggot dead. Live with them women for two years all that time. It ain't fuck nothing. Like that was the conversation between those two.

So that's the kind of shit I grew up. Grew up around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't question me while I was fucked up. Yeah. You hear me making inappropriate comments to women in interviews? Like, that's what I came from. Yes.

I was a fuck. I came from a fucked up toxic environment full of men. Right. The toxic masculinity, y'all talk about? Y'all don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah. You ain't ever been around it like I was around it. If you're raised by wolves, you're going to know how to howl.

You're going to know how to fucking how. That's it. But eventually, you know, it's not an excuse anymore. But you've got to learn it. But you learn where it comes from. You said the illish shit earlier. You get to a certain age where you start unlearning shit. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

I've spent more time now unlearning than I did fucking learning. Because all of that shit that I learned did not serve me anymore. Yes. It got me to a certain point, but it can't help me get to where I really, really want to go. And I'm not even just talking about on a professional level. Because motherfuckers who, they love to pull up old. Clips of Charlamagne, talking about sucking farts out of girls' butts and saying inappropriate, creepy.

That had to happen. Yeah. Like that had to happen. Like that part of my life had to happen because that's what I knew, right? But as you start going to therapy and you start practicing mindfulness and, you know, you just start embracing your sacred masculinity and divine masculinity more than the toxic masculinity. That shit don't serve you no more. You know what I'm saying?

And that's just something that you have to live and learn and do. unlearned to really learn again. Yeah. Like, it is what it is. 100%. I mean, there's bad habits you have to unlearn. It just happens in sports. Hey, it takes you too long to get this pass off.

Change your form a little. Simple as that. These are things that you do. It's just fascinating to me that, like, we have this, we all have this ingrained need for validation from our father. From our parents, but definitely our fathers. But specifically on their dad, like, I went out to dinner with my parents from my birthday the other night, right?

My mom texts me after. so good to spend time with you. You should be so proud of yourself and what you've accomplished. I remember you saying it takes 10 years to learn to craft a comedy. Well, you've worked so hard and you're a success. And on the eve of your 36th birthday, enjoy my darling son. Love you so much, mom and dad.

And then she writes, he is so proud of the man you are. And me too. Nothing before that line mattered. Nothing. Once she said that line. You can give on your mom's. Nothing before.

Like my mom said the Swedish. The second she said my dad is so proud of the man I have become. That was it, bro. I almost started crying, dude. You know why? You know why? You know why? Because your father was your original male superhero.

He was the original man that you looked up to. So when those were, when the man you look up to said, I am proud of the man you've become. Even now reading it, bro. He's acknowledging that you're a man. Yep. And he's proud of you, bro. Yeah. Come on, man.

And there's like, you know, my dad's losing his memory. So, like, to get there before that. goes, I could almost cry now. But, like, it's valuable to me. Yeah. When you grew up, when you grew up, when you grew up with your dad, you know, constantly saying your pussy, but in so many words. Right, right.

Making you feel like a pussy. Calling you a maggot. Like, actually, you're having a goddamn panic attack and he asked me if you fucking other men. That's the word. That's the only thing that can cause this. It's good. homosexuality.

Right? When shit like that happens, when that man finally acknowledges that you're a fucking man, bro. God have mercy. I love the validation from my mom. My mom, the two illest things my mom

has told me over the past probably decade that have really helped me even as much as therapy or anything else. When number one, she told me that she said, just be happy to be making a living. Because when I first started doing the breakfast club and, you know, now she's just blown away by the numbers that I make. But back then she was like, yo, that's more than anybody in our family has ever made whatever.

She's like, but just be happy to be making a living. And I was like, that was always my mindset. My mindset was always just, yeah, I'm making a living. I'm happy making a living. But when she told me that, you know, a few weeks ago about, yo, you're not the little boy that's here to impress your dad anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those two pieces of advice freed me. Yeah. Now you're going on front. They freed me. She said, just be happy to be making a living.

She said, I'm proud of you. I just happy. I felt free. Yeah. And when she said, she bought my pops, I felt free. And I think that's what we all want.

We just want to feel free, right? Like, we just all want to be liberated. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. She said an expectation for happiness for you. She's like, you should be happy you're making a living.

And like, if that expectation is there and everything else is gravy, man, fuck, you're living in gravy. Yeah, man. If she said, be happy when you're living. you're the number one show, then you'd be miserable until you're the number one show.

Yeah, man. But that's the thing moms do, like, like moms are the backbone. Does that make sense? Like, moms are like, it's like if you don't have it, you can't walk. I think moms,

I like what Fantasia said, and I've heard this before, but I think moms are the neck and daddy's of the head. The neck. Yeah, the head can't do nothing without the neck. Right, right, exactly, right? So it's like the backbone of the neck.

Like, it's that thing that allows you to walk, it allows you to move, right? It is the confidence that is like always going to be there. And you know if you fuck up there, someone who will embrace you and help you get back on your feet, et cetera. And then your father is like the guiding light. It's the thing where it's like,

oh, I'm going to go achieve that great thing because I know I'm going to get that validation from him. I know my mom's going to be happy, but he might really step it up and do that. It's like daddy to make you believe. Maybe they make you aspire. I don't know. My mom inspired me too, man.

It's just a... They give you a sense of secure. I don't know, maybe pops give you, maybe because our job is to protect and provide. Like maybe we add a sense of security. I know a lot of times people hear that word security and they think financial. But, nah, sometimes security is just knowing that somebody got your back. You know what I mean? Like that somebody's going to be there for you.

Like I was talking to somebody this weekend, I was drunk. I was super drunk. I had to answer to Rye's birthday party. And he was having a conversation about dad. And I hate having those conversations when I'm drunk because I'm about to cry. I will cry. Yeah. All right.

But they were talking to me about how they was on a play and they saw a mom sailing the son or the daughter, come on, come down, slide down, slide down. She was like, no, no, no, no, no. And then the dad got it. The dad was like, come on, you got it?

He was like, phew. You know what I'm saying? It's just something about dad putting that battery in your back that's different than mom. Because you're expected from mom. Well, you've been dropped by your mom, not your dad. Maybe it's just... Do you know what I'm saying?

Mom's arms got all tired. She dropped you by accident. Dad just carries you no matter what. Maybe we just take one of grand. Maybe that's just a constant thing in our life. Maybe from day one we just take one for granted. Your mom's going to tell you you could do anything. You know, and maybe that baby knew that.

You know, where the dad is going to come in and be like, no, there's some repercussions for shit. Don't tell you truth. Yeah. And you need that balance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know that when your dad says, good job, it really was a good job.

Because he wouldn't say it if it wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dad ain't got time for that nurturing shit. That's mom's job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to tell you something that we have to combine the two, though. That's why they're both there. That's why the greatest advantage in life, they say statistically.

Two-parent household. Outside of race, it literally removes all racial, gender, educational background. It, like, removes all of them from the success standpoint. Two-parent household is the key to success, man. I think you got to have balance in both. I want to read this real quick. because I've been studying about this lately, bro. I've been studying like the sacred masculine, right?

Mm-hmm. And like sacred masculine traits and shit. I'm going to pay some bills while you read that. I'm going to pull it up. Go ahead. Guys. You got to do better help, actually. I know.

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and it's when the masculine aligns with the feminine, the divine feminine, the divine masculine, and all of us. I'm not going to read this whole thing. I want you all to do your own research, but you can Google what is the divine feminine, what is the divine masculine? But it says, our greatest potential as humans is met in the incorporation

and balance of our internal divine masculine and feminine energies. Equally inherent to both men and women are behaviors, thought patterns, and tendencies dictate the balance of the complementing energies, right? So you got all these different qualities. Masculine qualities are this.

Logic, reason, action, firmness, survival, loyal, adventurous, rational, and strength. Feminine qualities are intuition, nurturing, healing, gentle, expressive, wise, patient, emotional, flexible. Would you agree with those different traits for men and women? Sure, sure. So what happens when you have the divine masculine and they represent? the spiritual, psychological, and archetypal ideal of masculine energy. Like, that's when you combine all of those different traits. Yeah.

That's when you become the best version of yourself. When you can combine the divine masculine with the divine feminine. And I think that's what we need to be because I think a lot of times as men, we dismiss things. We say, oh, that's what girls do. Yeah. Oh, that's some bitch shit. Yeah. Oh, you pussy.

All, anything that's almost like anything that got to do with being a woman is negative. Yeah. No. You need those qualities. Like you need to be gentle. You know what I'm saying? You need that intuition. You need to be nurturing. You want to experience that healing. We're expressive. Whether we know it now, we got a lot of divine feminine qualities. You're a comedian show. You're expressive. You're wise. Sensitive. Emotional. Emotional and sensitive for sure. We have to be sensitive to the world around us so that we can react to it. Yes. So I'm just, I'm not. You know, that's the biggest bullshit. Talk to me. anybody in our business anybody I don't care who the fuck they are anybody in our business who goes I'm unaffected or I don't care

is nonsense you cannot talk every single day for a living about the world if you're unaffected or don't care clearly these things you care thank you yes because the things I don't care about I'm not going to talk about why would you're talking for an hour and 26 minutes

about things that we care about that's why we're able to talk about it every week now there might be some shit you might throw on this death I'd be like I'm not I don't care about But I won't talk about it. Exactly. Simple as that. Taylor got a bunch of topics here.

Every week, Taylor puts in hours of work getting topics done. And we take that paper and we crumble it up and we throw it in the garbage. I don't give a fuck about Halloween facts. For whatever reason, you have people who don't celebrate Halloween, Jehovah Witness, Orthodox Jews, deserving Muslims. I don't give a shit about bed bath and beyond removing black jack and lanterns because of the complaint to resemble black face. I don't care that George Peele. I care about that one.

That's the Jasmine one for you? Hold on. Hold on side. Dude. Oh, my God. Dude, black jackal lanterns. Are you kidding? Blackalanders.

Dude, black lanterns? Blackalanders are scared shit out of a racist neighborhood. Or excited. Or excited. Oh, right. What's that hanging from a tree? Jesus, trucking. Flable Flay fathers another child at 60.

Nope. We talked about Kanye. Yeah. Yeah. Don't give a fuck. Who's going to lose their career over their Halloween costume this week? Any predictions?

Anybody that does deserves to. And the reason I say anybody that does deserves to. So promoted, right? It's like, you've got to know. You got to know what's around the corner. Like, you can't play clueless anymore. You can't act like you didn't know. There's nothing you can do that will justify you wearing blackface this year.

I'm trying to think what would be the most offensive shit That's not blackface. Let me think. Can't pretend to be a victim of police brutality. I've seen no stupid-ass costumes. You have? Yeah, yeah. I've seen people.

When Trayvon died that year, yes, it was bad. Everybody, it was stupid. Yeah, what has been super offensive this year? If I wanted to offend people this year, I would go get me a nice little blue suit, a scarf. I would put a noose around my neck. I get a bottle of bleach. I'd go get Kaz and another night. Nigerian and I would walk around and act like I just got attacked by those two Nigerians.

And I get two Nigerians and Maga Hats. Get Cazdaway to Maga Hat. I think that could piss some people off. That is a great costume. That's a good one. The only problem is you guys got to stay together the whole night. The whole night. If you even go to the bathroom by yourself.

Out of context, that shit is bad, bro. All of you. All of you have bad. You got a noose on you in there? You got a MAGA hat on? Yeah, out of context. That shit is all bad, bro. What else could be offensive this year? What is a good offensive costume? What's you got, Al? Oh, Epstein would be offensive.

Dude, Epstein choking himself to death, right? Because he committed suicide with quotes. Epstein choking himself to death. I can't think of nothing that would absolutely offend me, but I'm not the person that's easily offended either, though. So you can't ask me. I don't know Nothing with Trump If you're still letting Trump offend you bro Like you shouldn't be offended at Trump You should actually just be outraged

Meaning like you should be outraged That our democracy has come to this Like it's not nothing We're past offensive Being offensive is being offended at what Trump says It tweets means nothing anymore You should absolutely be outraged About the legislation he's passing

That really can fuck up America Forget the words like I'm not offended by anything Trump says anymore Even when everybody was tripping this week because he talked about the bad guy dying like a dog. Yo, that shit was so funny, dude. I don't see what the- That shit was so, no, no, when they juxtaposed it with Obama. Obama was like a calculated attack went in.

They executed their strategy and eliminated the target. And then it just cuts the Trump and he goes, he died like a dog. First of all, I hate that. I hate when people say that because- They busted down the door and he died like a dog. a dog. How do dogs die? Don't they say all dogs go to heaven? I'm serious. So technically you're saying that he died and went to heaven? Like how do dogs die? You mean he died like a dog? I don't understand the logic. I'm not sure, but I thought it was hilarious. And I don't understand why we

give a fuck. I wish everybody just agreed with Trump's politics or like Trump's politics were agreeable with everybody so that we could appreciate how fucking funny this guy's content is. It would be, listen. Doug, the Halloween thing, when he puts the candy on top of the the minions head. There is a video where there's there are kids at the White House. One of them is in a full balloon minion costume

right? And the kid walks up to Melania and Trump and Trump looks at this kid in a million. It puts the candy on top of his head. He's got a bag for the candy and Trump just lays it on top of his head like a yarmica and he just

keeps walking. Listen. This shit is hilarious. You think that guy's ever given trick or treat. He might never have trick-or-treating, bro. He did some tricking. He did some tricking. On goddamn F. Dean Island, he definitely did some tricking. But, motherfucking, the thing about Trump is,

it would be hilarious if our world wasn't so fucked up. Right. If what he was doing wasn't absolutely detrimental to our society and us as a people. And just the world in general, it would be hilarious. Right. I just didn't understand. I think that they...

That shit is still hilarious. I'm sorry, bro. I could compartmentalize, dude. I was dying laughing at that shit. We have Bado. We had Bado on the show. Oh, God. I was asking Bado.

Why? I don't know. I was asking Bado. I like Bado though. But when you're around him, can you feel the fraudulence oozing through his fucking... It was one point in interview.

I was like, are you fucking pandering, bro? Yes. Because it was like... Yeah. Tell me about... You know it. I'm not. It's not.

Because I'm the opposite of that white guy, right? I'm like, I'm going to say the shit that might piss you off as a non-white person hearing it from a white guy if you first meet me. So when I hear the white people of panther, it drives me fucking crazy. It was only because he was talking about, like, not knowing about certain things. Like, he didn't know, you know, he didn't know if slavery was this bad and all this stuff. And listen, he's probably right. A lot of, you know, he's a younger guy. A lot of people really don't know.

So I'm not going to hold that against him. They don't know slavery was bad? What did they think it was like? He said the brutality of working at Target. He said the brutality of it. Like he said he went to some museum and he saw all that African Americans that got killed and this and that, whatever, whatever. And then... You never read Uncle Tom's Cabin in school?

He probably didn't. And so Envy tried to move and I go, wait a minute, bro. Are you pandering right now? Because all it is, you just, this thing about reparations with you is a new thing. Like, you just started talking about this, right? And he explained like, yo, I just learned about a lot of. of this stuff. Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe he's not, I don't know.

Whatever. I don't know. What did you tell him? Taylor was in there. Did you ask him why he calls himself Beto and not Albert, which is his real fucking name? Albert is his real name. Yeah, he's not Mexican. I didn't know. He calls himself Beto. Beto is short for Albert. It's the Mexican version of it. I had no idea.

He's Captain Pander. He uses a Mexican name because he lives. He always refers himself as a white guy, though. Right, but he's going by Beto because he wants to get the Latino vote where he is. He lives in Texas. I started the interview off by saying, I'm like, bro, you know, you started off red hot. Now you're just like, eh. And what do you say that?

He took a breath. He takes a lot of deep breaths. He was shaking. You know, he's shaking. I mean, probably he had a little anxiety or whatever, you know. It's just like, that shit got to fuck with you. He was shaking? A little bit.

Who? Oh, man, Pete. No, I had to fuck with him about man Pete. Whoa, whoa. Because it was just simple mathematics. Which is? Beto gave us like 46 minutes. man Pete's been there twice giving us over an hour.

Like, come on. And what did you say? I said that to him. I was like, hey, you're off in a rush. I just want you to know, man, Pete, you know, gave us way more time than you did. All right? It's cool, though.

It was a cool interview. I mean, I don't know why anybody would run for president, bro, at this point if you know, like, you're not even standing a chance of winning. Like, everybody holds on to this whole Obama theory of being in single digits and then, like, getting hot. And it happened. In 2020?

No. You know, but let's go, let's have this conversation, because I think this is important. How fucking easy. is it to be a politician. Like, it just gonded on me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. It just dawned on me how easy it is

to be in politics. Like, Mayor Pete is a full-time mayor, right? Beto is a full-time congressman or whatever the fuck he is. No, he is. No, he is. Is a congressman? Okay. Still sitting, right?

De Blasio was a full-time mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world. Full-time is debatable. Right? No, no. This is what I'm trying to say. All these people are supposedly politicians. yet have time to run presidential campaigns at the exact same time. So what that tells me is being a politician or being the mayor of New York or being the mayor of

fucking wherever it is Indiana is not a full-time job. Now, that makes a lot of sense, buddy. None of these politicians are doing fucking jack shit. Now, I will say this. I love the congressman. How could you possibly represent your state or your city and have a full-time presidential campaign? There are not enough hours in the day unless you're originally. job is doing exactly

fucking nothing, which is what we've criticized politicians for doing this entire time. It's not a real job. Elizabeth Warren, you don't have a real fucking job. Any of these people running, you don't have a real fucking job. You do jack shit. That's why nothing gets done because you don't do shit. And when you run for

president, all of a sudden you have another 40 hours extra just pops up in the week. That's a great point. They don't do shit. That's a great point. And they throw a lot of things against the wall to see what sticks. I told Beto today, I said, bro, you don't seem like you have a clear-cut campaign strategy. It's just like your campaign strategy is all over the place.

I said, what is your messaging? I'm like, what, what, when I think about Beto, other than the word fuck, what do I think about? When did he say it? When he was thinking about his campaign? Yeah, that's his thing. He's known as the guy who says fuck. Well, if I had his numbers, I'd say fuck a lot too.

He said fucking regards to the gun issue. The gun issue. But he was saying that before that, though. He used to curse before that. Cursed out a reporter. He cursed the reporter. He said what the fucking he did. I think, I think. He talked about that.

I saw that. Oh, stop trying to be edgy Beto. I don't dislike Beto. I just think that it's a place for everybody, and I think Beto's place should be in the Senate. Huh? I said, I don't dislike Beto. I just think everybody, it's a place for everybody, and I think right now Beto would be better served in the Senate. He lost.

He didn't lose. But, I mean, he can still. He ran against Ted Cruz. But he can focus on running again. Right. You know what I'm saying? I think he's better served in that, that capacity. Stop these pandering.

Right now I was better served in that capacity. Is being in the Congress? Yeah. Well, that's the other thing I'm realizing, right? These guys are running for, these guys are running for president. And when you run for president, you're actually campaigning for whatever other position you want. Because you become so famous when you run for president that you're actually campaigning for your gubernatorial race, your Congress race, et cetera. So they're not, Mayor Pete knows he's not going to be president.

Yeah, but he's like, you know what I could be. I could be governor of Indiana. You know, I could be, Congressman, blah, blah, blah. So they're all playing. And that's the thing that's such bullshit is they know they're not going to win. They're telling you that they're trying to win,

which is a lie because they're going for another political position. It's a bunch of fucking liars. Listen, well, except Bernie. He's the only one. Who is the one who's, do you don't think he's telling the truth? I truly believe he's telling the truth.

I do think Bernie's telling the truth. That's my problem with Bernie. Why? Because he's telling the fucking truth, and he does not have a clear black agenda. I'm voting my interest in 2002. And what if he was just like, you know what? I don't have a black agenda.

I got an American agenda and I care about poor people. And you know what? There's some black poor people. They're going to benefit. And the rich black people ain't going to benefit. I would love that. Listen, I have no problem with a rising tide lifting all boats if somebody would actually fix the hole that's in black people's boat.

But our boat doesn't rise when that fucking tide rises. Like, history has shown that. Like, even when Bernie talks and Bernie says he wants to help. poor and disenfranchised workers, it's going to be poor white workers that get the benefits of those things for us. Well, I think they're going to be poor black workers to get it now because you don't have the systemic oppression in place that like

eliminated those benefits from blacks of the past. You got to fix that. First of all, America did fix it. America has to acknowledge that. They have to apologize for it and they have to do something to write that wrong that happens. Sure, but legislatively there's no law out there that is oppressive to black people. There's no law

that's written, hey, this is against black people. You had gerrymandering? You had the... But both sides do that, and that's a political thing, right? Yeah, but that shit affects us more. The 88 crack laws definitely affected black people more. 94 crime bill definitely affected black people. I understand.

I understand. Those things affect certain communities more. Like, for example, when the drug acid has the same, like catching somebody who's on the drug acid and they have the same prison sentences as crack, right? That greatly affects acid users, which are 99% white people, right? But the law is against acid, not against white people that are hippies. That's a good point. You see what I'm saying?

Look at opioid epidemic. Now they're talking about rehabilitation. Right. Back then you had Joe Biden on the Senate floor saying, I don't care about the environment that created these predators and the causing them to do these things. Lock them up. Right.

88 crack laws. You get more time for fucking crack cocaine than you do powdered cocaine. Why? Because in the hood, people were selling crack to get ahead. Right. Like, that's systemic shit that they did. They can't keep their foot on it. And the same thing they did with meth, right?

It's like meth has elevated levels of, you know, incarceration compared to ADHD drugs like Adderall when it's the exact same thing. So it's like the poor people, the poor whites that are doing meth instead of just snorting HD. What is it? Adderall like the rich whites that do cocaine get way less jail time than the poor blacks that do crack. So clearly all these things also have- The rich whites that do what? The rich whites do coke are getting way less jail time than the poor blacks that do crack. So like race plays a role in absolutely everything.

Nobody's denying the racial role, but there's also an economic role, right? But the race part kept the economic part from ever happening for black people. 100%. And I think what happened is there were way more strict laws that were in place that were directly affecting black people, right? Like racist-ass laws. And as far as I'm concerned, we've removed the racist laws themselves. There are still laws that affect black people disproportionately to white people. What were the exact racist laws?

Hey, black people, you're not going to get bank loans. Hey, black people, do you want to build wealth? Like, we build wealth in this country? Yes. Well, too bad. We're not going to give you lunch. I encourage everybody to read a book called Order to Kill by William Pepper. And it tells you why they really killed Martin Luther King Jr.

You said segregation. That's the first thing you said, you didn't give a fuck about civil rights and civil liberties. They don't want them poor people coming up. That's it. They give you that. Why do you think they gave Bernie a heart attack? Suddenly, they just brought back to Popeye sandwich. They're trying to kill them.

They really trying to kill Bernie, son. They know when you're on that campaign trail and you got a lot of black surrogates around you. You're going to get hungry. What they're going to bring you? It's open on Sundays. Chick-fil-Aid not going to get you in the Lord today, but Popeye will. You'll fuck around and you do that viral video with the squad. If you want to, biting into that Pop-I chicken sandwich with Bernie.

That'll be it for you. That's all I'm saying is like I truly think that if we address poverty now, it will, not this rising tide lifts all boats thing is a guarantee. Guarantee, of course. Of course. But I think that we can agree that now the hole is smaller because there are these, there are less of these racist laws

that are meant to hold black people down. Matter of fact, there are no laws. They're specifically meant to hold black people down, right? So I don't know if that's true or not, so I can't say it. I think the last, I think the last law that was... They're not blatantly overt racist. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, but they're still there.

I think the last, like, overtly, uh, prejudice rule law was like no gay marriage. And I think we got rid of that. So I think if you really look at it just the law, not how it affects you, just the law. I think that we don't have any more laws that are prejudice. I mean, it's still things that affect people as far as like getting jobs,

as far as getting bank loans, as far as getting loans for houses. But there's no law that says it, right? Laws, they're just not overt. Like, they're not overtly racist, but they do disproportionately affect certain. community. Yes, I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that. I guess what I'm saying is, so if you address poverty now, it will be at bare minimum better than it was in the past because addressing

poverty in the past only helped the people that were poor, but were part of the inside crew. Whereas now the inside crew is bigger because we've removed a lot of these overtly racist loss. Is that fair? Yes, and I think that we, um... Well, what do you think the hole in the boat is? Like if you, if you were talking to Bernie... The hole in the boat is years and years of shit that had nothing. never been fixed and repaired, Chris. This is damage has been done that's never been repaired. But what, like, specifically, like, if you were working with him, we were like... Jim Crow segregation, slavery, mass incarceration.

No, he's saying, like, what do we do to put... Oh, I'm saying what would you, like, tell him, like, this is... What do you want to put in the hole? To be honest with you, I think some form, not some form, yeah, some form of reparations is absolutely the start. Like, that's the only way. Like, you have to make amends for the sins that America has created against black people. And listen, the sense, the reparations.

ain't checks and ain't here, here's a check, here's check. It's something, it's, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's free college. I don't know if it's, you know, no taxes. I don't know what the fuck it is. It's something that has to be done specifically by America,

American government, to this community of black people, to those African descendants of slaves whose families were affected by slavery, Jim Crow segregation, math, incarceration, whatever the fuck it is. And I've heard different variations.

You know, Killer Mike talked about, you know, making the marijuana industry. But he said, as a form of, and see that's a whole other argument. He said as a form of drug war reparations, not even slavery and grazing. He said marijuana should just be for drug war reparations.

The war on drugs that negatively impacted black people. But that's why I like the conversations that are happening now when people are actually talking about the fact that things were systemically done to keep their foot on black people's neck. It's not like black people didn't want to come up. I don't think anybody denies that that understands history. I think there if they're- Just key word, understands history.

Yeah, and that's a key word. Don't give me wrong. I mean, I've said on this podcast, I think the best argument for reparations is not the fact that there was slavery. It's the fact that there were all these laws put in place so these people couldn't lift themselves up after slavery. And I think that because if you want to look at slavery, you're going to have to give reparations to every single group of people on this planet because we've all been slaves at one point in time or another. Right. But when you don't let people rise, you create a problem. So you have to rectify that problem.

Sure. How we do that? We don't know exactly yet. I think that we're getting close. Like, I think, like, Killer Mike has a practical solution. That's one of the first things I've said. I mean, that was the idea with the casinos with Native Americans, right? It was like, hey, okay, they got land.

What are they going to do with the land? Land means nothing if you're not doing something. Why don't we give them literally a mint? We'll give them a printing press of money. Casino. There you go. See what you do with it. Are we going to get Blackville casinos?

Is marijuana? of the new tobacco, you know, a million dollar industry, like a billion dollar industry? I mean, it definitely will be, but I like Killer Mike's idea for that. Make that drug war reparations. You know what I'm saying? Sure.

But as far as, and that's what the whole H.R. 40 thing is, right? Rest and peace to John Connie is that he actually died this week or last week? This week. But H.R. 40 is the study. Wait, minute. John Connors or Elijah? Both of them died.

Both of them died. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. John died right after Elijah. Oh, my God. H.R. 40 is the study of reparations, right? And people say, oh, what you mean to study? We know what happened. No, it's actually the study of how much is, how much damage was actually done. Why do you need a bill to do that? Why can't you just study it?

That's how fucking lazy these politicians are. You see how these fucking politicians refuse to do any work? They don't do want to do shit. Hey, should we do some work? No, no. Let's try to find some way where we don't have to do it. Hey, should we do a bill to see if we should do some work? How about you go to fucking work and do?

some work, you lazy pieces of fucking human garbage. Oh my God. Human pieces of shit. Listen. Not a hardworking bone in any of their body. Why do you think Bernie's having heart attack? Because he's actually working. He's the only one working. Bernie's having heart attack because he's 97 years old and he is out there

stressing himself out and I don't know what the fuck for. He must really be a patriot. He wants it, bro. He wants it. There ain't no way in half. If I was Bernie, I'll be sitting around my feet kicked up mine and my goddamn business helping where I can. And nice little Vermont watching reruns of fucking, what was that show they came on in Vermont? There's a Vermont show?

Yes. Murder she wrote? Was it murder she wrote? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It does matter because I had a good joke, but I fucked it up. Honestly, I don't think a show is six feet under? No, I don't think a show's ever been in Vermont.

Nah, it was. Man, it's a popular show. Vermont. Newhart! Oh, yeah, you're right. Newhart, man. You're right. I don't know.

what the fuck you're talking about new heart stop making Bernie jokes that's when the that's when the live show that's when the shot that's when the shot goes

in he's like oh shit he hit that holy shit real talk That motherfucker wants to help, bro. I literally disagree with almost every one of his economic policies, but he wants to help. So I'm like, okay, I trust him.

No, listen, when I say Bernie, when I talk to people, and I've said this over the past couple weeks, the reason I say Bernie does seem like the best bet because he truly does seem like he wants to help. I say it, bro. He does, he does, he does. And I feel that way about Senator Harris, too. I think Senator Harris truly wants to help.

You know what I'm saying? She lost me when she was like, take away Trump's Twitter, because I can never be on the side of censorship. And if you're willing to censor anybody, then what stops you from censoring me? What stops you from shutting down my YouTube? What stops you from shutting down the radio show

because you don't like something they say? I mean, see that, I know people who hear this and be like, that's a terrible issue tonight, but you're a comedian. That shit means everything. That's everything. That's my voting, right? I got to vote on my issues. I understand why that one issue would keep you from voting for her.

100%. Listen, before we get out of here, I do want to say something. You know, we talked about validation and, like, affirmation, like, you know, from your parents and stuff like that. It does, you do get that from your peers, too, bro. Not even peers. Forget the peers. The legends, right? I was online and I was, like, I was reading this article by Arsenio Hall because y'all know I worship Arsenio Hall.

Like, I've always talked about my love for Arsenio Hall. Can you give a little background to? why Arsenio was such a legend for these young people listening and might not be as familiar as us? For me growing up, you know, Arsenio, this is when Fox was like the cool, edgy network.

Right? So Fox had like in Living Color and Martin and, you know, Simpsons and Tracy Oman's show. Like they wasn't like the big three of NBC, ABC, CBS. They were rogue, dude. And all that shit was buttoned up. You know what I mean? And like,

I couldn't really relate to none of the late night shows that used to come on NBC, ABC, CBS. I didn't see black people on there. Johnny, I recognize his talent, but that was it, you know what I'm saying? I didn't care about the variety show shit. Arsenio was so far us by us, and he was on this cool-ass, edgy network,

and he was there as a filling. That was the ill part that people forget. Arsenio started off as a filling. I forgot whose show it was. Maybe it was John. Was it Joan? Maybe it was John. Maybe it was John.

It was somebody that Arsenio was filling in, and it was a 13-week run. And he smoked this 13 weeks so much And had everybody, it seemed like When you talk about everybody, like black people gathering around And it's like he created this cult-like following. I mean, the dog pounded, who, woo, foo, foo, foo, food, food, food. He from Cleveland.

Like, it was just something about us in here. And then you saw us on this show. He would have to cast a living single on. Like, when I interviewed the cast a girlfriend's other day, I kept envisioning that because if you go back and watch the interview with Living Single, they were all sitting on these like high stools almost. And that's what we ended up. I cast a girlfriend's that. I was sitting there thinking like, oh, shit.

Like, it felt like that. Wu-Tang would perform. I remember seeing Snoop Dog perform on there. Bow Wow coming out, Tupac Wilden on the couch. Like, he'd have Mr. Farrakhan on. He'd have people like Barry White on. But, by right would be on there dropping jewels. Like, the conversations would never be just about, like, music, anything else. Like, he'd be having these real, in-depth conversations with these people.

You would really see these people in a different light. You'd hear about their spirituality and just the things that they were into that kept them going, right? And so even to this day, I watch Arsenio Hall interviews. You know what I'm saying? I watch how he does his monologues. I watch how he does his interviews. I just watch his show. Like whenever I'm even in meetings, I'm like,

y'all want to do a mix of Arsenio Hall meets Bill Maher. Like that's the type of late night show I would want to create. Right. So I was excited, y'all. Asinio Hall got a Netflix special coming out, right? Which I love. I grew up on Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall. So watching Dolomite, which is we got to talk about that.

We got to talk about that. I'm hearing about the Netflix special, so I'm just reading articles about him because I just like to see where his mind is. And I'm in the article. Matter of fact, I need to read this verbatim. This needs to be read verbatim. Taylor, I was really gassed yesterday.

Like, really gas. Let me read this verbatim. Let me read this. This is Arsenio Hall. Arsenio said the niche his show filled in the 1990s has largely been taken over by YouTube and social media. I think now the Arsenio Hall of our society is Charlemagne to God, he said.

That's morning New York radio that you can get on YouTube anytime you want. Paul recalled how rapper Tupac Shakur, who died in 1996, would come on his show to make announcements and respond to media reports. When I think about Tupac calling me

and saying, yo, man, they got me handed up and some shit. Can I come on this show and talk? Tupac used to use my show like you used Twitter. So maybe I was the Twitter of that era. But now I think if Tupac were alive

and had something he needed to get off his chest, you probably fly to New York and run up to Charlemagne. Let me tell you something. I don't give a fuck what you trolls got to say on me, say to me on social media

no more. I don't give a fuck if you like me. I don't give a fuck if you podcasters and a few other radio personalities. Say whatever the fuck you want about me. I'm good. All right? I am the Arsenio Hall of this society. You respect me as such. God damn it.

All right? Okay. I don't give a fuck. Y'all invented that shit? Bras, that shit, when I saw that shit, I told my mom, bro. I said, because my mom's with me this week. She says, you have my house in Jersey.

I said, Mama, do you understand what Arsenio Hall said to me? What she said? Because that's the woman that used to make me go to bed. So she can watch. No, you got to care. It's too late for you to be up. You got school tomorrow. I was taking the VHS tapes recording Arsignior Martin, 8 o'clock, all that shit.

Like, for him to say that, you don't give a fuck what any of y'all the motherfuckers got to say? Do you really think I care about what any of y'all got to say to hear Arsenio Hall a real goal? a real goat, a real legend who has done something that no black person has done since for him to recognize me in that light, I'm good. And not only am I good, it made me really appreciate where I am. Because a lot of times we think that we have to,

and I'm not saying I wouldn't want this, but I've always had dreams of having a late night show. Yeah. Right? And I'm like, what if I already, got what I'm searching for. Dude, we had this combo. It's just not in the form of that.

Dude, we had this combo a few months back. It's like, it's so easy to get caught up in like what we don't have. Yeah. And like, this is what you know, think about like this. What time do you think people listen or watch your interviews?

All day. Whenever they want to. All day. But probably more so at nighttime when they're at home, after work, chilling. There is no late night show. There is no morning show. Right. There is no afternoon show.

Time does not constrict content. So your dream of a late night show, you only wanted, in very similar, Dolomite, right? You only wanted that thing that you saw everybody watching at one time. Why could we all watch at night? Because we weren't working at night. And there was no social media. And there was no social media.

There was no platforms. We had no choice. We had no truth. That was there, right? And so we go, I want a late night show. No, we don't. just want all the eyes. We just want to create content. We want to create content that our people, right? And our people is defined by way more than just race. It's by who identifies with us.

But our people want to indulge in. So what I'm saying is, yes, you already have that. Because those people are watching those interviews. At all times in night. And those interviews don't become better when they're on at 1130. But I'm older, right? Everything you're saying is absolutely true. I'm just telling you why my thought process was like this for so long. I come from that era where that was it. We're grandfathered into it. Grandfathered into it. It takes time for us to unlearn.

Unlearn. This bullshit that was put in our head. Unlearned. Because I said to myself the other day, I said, man, I get more interest from Joe Rogan interviews. Like I listened to that Edwin's snotter shit. I couldn't put that shit down. Yeah.

I mean, there's nothing on TV making me feel that way. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because this is the new, dude, Real quickly, we'll talk about Dolomite, because I know we've got to get out here. But Dolomite is what, I mean, there's so many. I knew that she was going to resonate with you. When I was watching it, I was like, but I said, you know, everybody needs to watch this movie if you're a creative. Everybody.

Dude, I am Dolah White. Dola White. I am Polar White. That's the name of the podcast. I am Dola White. Dola White. For real, man. But it was that.

I didn't know shit about Rudy Ray Moore, by the way. Son, I knew nothing about him, right? But remember the point when he looks in the lights? He looks at the lights coming down and projecting a thing. And he has this moment where he goes, when I'm performing in front of an audience, I can affect that audience. But if I'm on that movie screen,

I can be everywhere at once. He's predicting, he's understanding the internet game, but that was the internet of his time. If you were on movie screens, you're around the whole world. If you're performing live, you're only right there. Same thing with TV. Now we have a better version of that movie screen.

We have... That light from your phone, that life from your fucking phone or computer where they're watching these interviews at all these different times. You do these interviews at night in the morning, in the afternoon, in the a.m. People still going to watch on their phone. And by the way, everything that he did in that movie is shit that we already know he's supposed to do. You know how many times he sat in this fucking room and like, yo, we got to shoot a movie one day. Like, now it's just doing it.

Dude, not only do we have to shoot a movie one day, we would have conversations and you would walk into the MTV you two things and we'd be like, yo, and you would have this idea where we had to satirize like a horror film or something like that where they were taking over the world or some shit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're like, it's not serious. We're going to make fun of the genre.

Literally what Dolomite did with black exploitation films making fun of the genre. We were going to do that with action movies. We were going to do a guy code, girl code action movie. But spoofing what a superhero would be. I mean, the fact that like, He gets told no by every single person. They don't see it, but he's in front of the people so he knows what they like.

And he trusted his gut. He didn't get discouraged. You just kept pushing. He didn't let the industry kill his fucking spirit. And I'm going to tell you the other lesson in that movie. I don't want to give it away for y'all. We wait another week maybe we talk about it. But the fact that learning from anyone, you know what I'm saying?

You can't teach somebody who's not willing to learn. Like, think about the person he dismissed from that story. That person he was dismissing from the store It finally hit him that This is the shit I need to be doing Yeah To actually go down there with that tape recorder Record and learn from all of those different people

Not look down upon them Yeah Changed his fucking life Yeah And that's what you gotta do Like you gotta remain teachable Always be willing to learn And don't get discouraged bro

And don't be afraid to do shit yourself That was the other shit The music industry told him Fuck you I make my own out put it out. Now you've got to come back and suck it. In his fucking house. That's right. Dude, I'm watching this and I'm just like, holy, is this like the mirror image of what I went through?

The movie shit was the hardest part to me though. Because I'm like, yo, for him to raise all that money to do a movie, like, it's one thing to do music. To say, fuck it, I'm going to shoot a movie. And I'm going to tell what else. When the movie finally came out and he finally sold it and everything and critics still panned it. He looked at that payment and said, this is good. Because they're going to come out. This is good. But he didn't give a fuck. He had the people. Bro. The people supported that shit and loved it. I loved it. Critics don't know what the fuck they're talking about. What's why nobody looking to write tomato scores from the critics?

We don't care what they have to say. There's a scene, you know when they're putting together the movie, and they're literally like scraping money together, and they have people who are doing shit for free, and they're holding cameras up, and they're stealing electricity, and they're doing all this bullshit to barely make it happen, right? Mm-hmm. I remember when we filmed views from The Sis, my last special before the crowdwork one, Alex came out to Europe with me, and Matt also. came out to Europe with me. And when we're filming the England show to balance one of the cameras and shout to DeMarcus as well,

we're balancing one of the cameras with a stick of gum. That's what we created. This special that ended up getting millions of fucking views. One of the cameras is just on a ledge in the back of the fucking room balanced with a stick of gum

so it didn't look crooked. Yeah, but that's what we had to do because we believed in the fucking content. We knew if we put it out, it would hit and the people would want it. And to see a guy create like a genre of film and like so much success off of like self-belief

and just understanding what the people truly wanted. Just power to the people. It's saying shit Tyler Perry has done. People say what they want about Tyler Perry's art. Tyler Perry has done nothing but cater to one audience and that shit has garnered him so much success and so much resources that you got that big ass studio in Atlanta

that you saw that beautiful picture this week of Wesley Snipes, Will Smith, Eddie Murphy, and fucking, who else is in that picture? Martin Lawrence. Martin Lawrence all on that set at his studio. because he catered to one audience, one audience only, and then give a fuck what everybody else was thinking. That's the game, baby.

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