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Episode Date: September 18, 2020

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We are the brilliant idiots back for another week in studio, baby. I don't know how to feel about COVID anymore. Why? Why? I really don't. No, you're over it, bro. No, I'm not over. Don't put it back on. You were just talking with it off. No, but I have it, though. I just want to make, I just want everybody to know I do be masked up. You know what I'm saying? You came in masked up. I'm just watching everybody. They're back in their studios. Hopefully we'll be back in our studio really soon. Clearly, we're back in the studio for Brilliant Idiot. This should have shaping up, though. Be honest. No, it's really nice. It's really nice. Shout out to Steel Sick, man. This dude from Cleveland built this entire robot right here. for no reason. Well, no, I'm an official

Charlotte Avenger. Yes. That's how we look to people. Listen, that's how we look to people. We look like that. That's how we look. We look like big monstrous robots that are controlling things

behind the scenes and destroying people. Yes, that's how we look to people. Yo, we're intimidating over here, bro. But why did he make that, though? Why? Like, just because? I think that's his art, man. You know what I mean?

When you're that creative, you just got a bunch of spare parts. Let me build a robot. Yeah, I think he goes out and gets the parts. That's dope. Yeah. What's his name? This is Mike.

Mike. From where? From Steel Sick, man. Go check out my man, Mike. Man, let me get the Instagram perfectly right. You said he's from Cleveland? Cleveland, dude. Hey, man, LeBron.

You see how much time you gave people when you left? People got mad time on their hands. They had a lot of shit to throw out. It's still sick right here. Just go check it out on Instagram. He's got crazy shit, man. And he literally drove this over from Cleveland. He can make anything?

Anything. Doug. So if you got some stuff that you want me, I'm going to connect you. I'm going to hit you up. I'm still sick. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate you, man. All right. And that's a ladder.

That's made by Latinos. So what, Taylor? I'm sitting there looking at this shit like that shit is really something. A sculpture or something. I didn't know. It is a tall-ass ladder, I guess. Let's start the show. As always, we start off with positively brilliant.

What a fucking idiot shows? What did you see this week that made you say positive? Brilliant. Oh, what a fucking idiot. Oh, I got it. Talk to me. Cardi B, positively brilliant. Really?

Bro, this has been the greatest, like, divorce setup I've ever seen in history. Explain. You know you're going to divorce your man, right? You could go talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. It just hit you in it. Okay. It just hit you. Gave people a little reminder beforehand. Yeah. Okay, okay. I got it.

You gave everybody a little reminder. Is this a little reminder? What's about to be on? the market. Okay, okay, okay. This is not divorced-ass pussy. It's some wet-ass pussy, right? I got the Wop, not the da-? That's what it is. I'm just

saying, like, if you listen, I get sad when I see that shit, though, man. What, what? Divorces. Divorce makes you sad, but not if she's talking about hitting a dangly thing in her throat. Listen, I'm a married man. I don't know nothing about that. I feel sorry for offset.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I feel sorry for Cardi. You want marriages to work. You do. They're supposed to be tell death do us part. That's true. And then, you know, when you see two people getting young and they have money, people say automatically from the get-go, it's not going to work. This guy's not going to be faithful. She might not be faithful.

They're both young and wild. And then when you see that it doesn't work, you're like, oh, fuck, y'all proved everybody right. You proved everybody right. You're sad. And then you go through that grieving period. And then you also go, but she's hitting a dangly thing on her throat. No, you got to be able to hit that. What?

You have to be able to hit that. Well, if it's a team effort, then I think that what if it's a team effort, right? Like, you got to have the link and she got to have the willpower. She got to have the drive. She's got, and again, this is what she's saying. Yeah. Yo, how embarrassing is that? If you pushing and you're not hitting the dangly thing, you're like, oh, bro.

Listen, on the positively brilliant, no, what if the setup is the WAP, but you do the divorce just to scare this? shit out the guy because you don't want him you don't want him to you don't want him to know you don't want him to think you're going out there to put that wop on the street so maybe now it's time for him to act right so the wop was a fear tactic she put that out there so now it's in everybody's mind like oh shit right oh my and then now i'm that's the bogeyman yes i'm filing for divorce now you're scared this wop going to hit the market so now you might finally act right If that's the problem. I don't know why they get into divorce. Nobody does. Everybody's speculating and all of this type of shit. I don't think it's fair to speculate because, number one, black men don't cheat.

Facts. So they even just throw that out there on the offset, it's whack. I don't like that. But for whatever reason that they are splitting apart, you know, I would be trying to act right. I don't want my wife, the mother of my child out there with that watt back on the market. The watt back on the market. No, man, no, man, no. Especially not in that business.

Because in that business, she gets with another rapper, we can't never be together again. Yeah. You know what I mean? What is the rule with that? Oh. Yeah. What is the rule with that? The rule with any woman.

Okay. If you sleep with two guys in the same industry, you're a whole. I didn't make these rules. Yeah. It just is what it is. It just is what it is. It's proximity to each other. Yes.

Right? Like if you fuck two friends within the same group, even if you only fuck two people, you'll ho. You a ho to that group. You fuck. the whole group. If you fuck two people on a football team. You're a ho. You a ho. And I'm not, listen, I'm not saying I think that you're a hoe. I'm just saying that's the

perception. That seems to be the rules. If you have FedEx or Amazon and you pop in that pussy for other brothers that work at FedEx and Amazon and you fuck two of them FedEx workers, right? You a ho at FedEx? That's true. But if you fuck one at USPS, one at FedEx, one at RDC, you're not a hoe at all. You're not a hoe at all unless they have some big delivery conference. And then they have a big delivery conference and they'd start discussing some of the WOP that they've received over the years. And they all have similar stories. All of them got similar stories about you. You just like packages delivered. You just like packages delivers. That's it. You a ho that loves a bad. You like that same day delivery. You HOD. Hold on delivery. That's just

what it is. We didn't make these rules people. Yeah. By the way, I tell all my home girls that. Uh-huh. You have to be aware of that. Now, is it the truth that you're a whole? No. But that's the perception. That's the perception. You sleep with two rappers and that gets out there. People are going to label you a hoax.

You know what it's like? It's like the bruised banana. Talk to me. Like a bruised banana is still edible. Okay. Matter of fact, the more bruised it is, the better the banana bread it makes. Really? You don't think, isn't that what they say?

Like, in order to make banana bread, you have to use the super, super, super right bananas? It doesn't matter. This is brilliant, just go with it. Okay. Point is, maybe a girl. who's fucked a lot of dudes that all know each other that has that whole perception, label, if you will,

she might make the most delicious banana bread. She might be the best in bed. Oh, the woman that's got more experience. Especially with the team, because she knows what the team wants. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the other thing. She's talking to your homeboy

before she's hooking up with him. She's like, oh, what does this guy like? She's getting all the details. It's like you don't go get an engagement ring before finding out what the ring looks like, what your girl's ideal ring looks like. Yes, I get what you're saying. I get what you saying.

And most women do have a type, though. That's the crazy part. What you mean? Like, if you like ball players, like if you fucked one ball player and that didn't work out, you're going to go probably fuck another ball player. No, that's the thing about fucking ballplayers,

though, it's like, I'm just not a type. Like, why is ball player a type? It depends. If you're a basketball player, if you six, five. So that's you like tall guys. Lean. Not necessarily tall guys.

You actually like the ball players because another thing ball players have his money. You're not just fucking the tall security guard at the club. You know what I'm saying? I feel like one of these girls, man. I just fucking waft a little. White-ass face.

Why'd you do that? I don't know. I was trying to drink and I got all excited. Jesus. I know how comfortable it is. You're thinking about a tall basketball player and you just throw some shit in your face. Like he's just standing over you, just giving it all.

Like, what the fuck, man? Taylor, have you ever been a hole? Based off our rules? No. You've never hooked up with guys that knew each other. Two guys that knew each other. Oh, yeah. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. You should go through your whole phase. You should go through your whole phase, but, you know, you should determine your whole phase. Not the fact that you fuck two guys from Lower Marion that live a block from each other. You know what I'm saying? Like, because then they go out there and they tell everybody you're a whole. You should determine your whole face. Taylor, let me ask you this question.

What? If there was a guy who fucked multiple girls within your girl group, will he be a ho? Yes. Men can be holds to. So we keep in the same energy. So girls got the same definition. I'm not upset about it.

Men can be holed to, especially in this era of COVID, because, you know, they'd be out here fucking with no condoms and no mask. Hold on. I want to give somebody what a fucking idiot. I just want to remember their name real quick because this is so disrespectful. It's so many articles, man. No, no, no, it's so many. I'm going to tell us when I tell it's all right, Brian Sazi.

Okay. He's the editor. at large for Yahoo Finance. He had this headline. See, it's on my Instagram page, Alex. Oh, you got it? Oh, this is so disrespectful. And there's all of these articles about New York being dead. Okay.

You know. Oh, I saw you post this. Bro, that's disrespectful. Come on, man. Look at the headline. Can we see that? What's the headline? What's it?

The headline says, I don't want to paraphrase it, but is Kamala Harris may have made Timberlands cool again. Wow. Senator Kamala Harris, vice presidential nominee, Brian Sazi from Yahoo, the editor at large at Yahoo,

says that Senator Kamala Harris may have made Timberlins cool again. How do you feel about that? I feel like, yo, it's very disrespectful to New York City and I'm not even from New York. You know what I'm saying? I am a Timberland connoisseur.

I read the article. Brian said that she may make Timberlands as cool as they once were in the 90s. First of all, I hate culturally clueless people. Okay. And the reason I hate culturally clueless people was not even a race thing

because I saw so many black people yesterday commenting on Senator Harris, Timberlands and giving her like all his love. Yeah. Bro, those ain't the butters, bro. She had some trash Timbales. Those are single soul. Yeah, it's like,

you know how like when a white person beatboxes if it's like decent people lose their mind? Yes. They're treating her like a white kid, right? Yes. They really are, dude. Steve, don't they the six-inch wheat premium joints.

And you got the double, what is it? The double-s-old. The double-s-old. The double-sol. Like, she kind of got single-s-sulled Tim's on, bro. Come on, man. It's a little soft. I think Akash wore them in an episode of Flagrant.

We have them in the other room. They kind of look like egg rolls. And she wore them on. And listen, there was a whole, there was like a whole, like, photo op for it. Did you see the video? Yes. The video kind of scans down at the Timberland. First of all, she gets off the plane.

Yes. And then there's that little rug. there, which is kind of racist. Why? I mean, she's Indian, but she's supposed to fly out, you know. Jesus. What? It's not a Latin, bro.

It's a little fuck, though. Good point. It's like, good observation of racism. I can see. How many things are they trying to hit so everybody's happening? They got the Army jacket for like the Army jacket, the fatigue for the White Army folks, the Tim's for black people, the Redd for Indian. I get it.

I get it. I get it. I get it. Our president. And then, I mean, I don't know if you were privy to this, but I was not privy to this. Kamala's stacked, bruh. What do you mean? What do you mean?

What do I mean? What do I mean? Can I get a latte? A mocha? I'm lost. What is this? You lost? You know what I'm saying?

My girl is, she got bar day, you know? Whoa. You did not notice what I noticed? No, I didn't. Oh, my. goodness, bro. I was too busy focusing on the Tims. Dude.

And I'm not even mad at Senator Harris because it's not her fault. It's the people around her. And Brian actually wrote in the article. He put sneaker-style timbulins. That's the problem, Brian. They shouldn't be sneaker-style. These are boots.

There we go. Okay, six-inch premium wheat boots that they say for hiking, nobody ever hikes in these. That's right. This ain't it, bro. Not at all. Akash wore these?

I caught them to an episode. Why? Y'all had roaches in there? Why did he do that? Why? Yo, you want to know how to wear Tim if you're a politician? Go look at AOC when she was on with Jesus and Meryl. She had some Tims on.

She's from the Bronx. Right. She didn't know how to rock a pad Timberlins. Right, right. You don't find that disrespectful that somebody can just literally say, hey, you Senator Harris made Tim's cool again. That's just a racer. It's just disregarding what people have done culturally to make Tim's cool,

especially New Yorkers. Listen, this is how white people feel every time Kanye makes some old white shit cool. Do you want to continue it? What a fucking idiot? Oh, shall we? Is that a transition? I think what Kanye does is both positively brilliant and... I just thought you called it Wacogne.

No. I think what Kanye does is both... It does sound like it. Well, first of all, I would always think Kanye is positively brilliant just because there is no... Nobody who stirs up waters to catch fish better. Oh, yeah. There is nobody who can make people care about absolutely nothing the way Kanye West does.

And there's nobody who can pull on people's heartstrings so effortlessly. He can pull on your heartstrings over here when you're upset with him because he's rocking with MAGA. He can pull on your heartstrings over here when you're siding with him because he's trying to free us from modern day slavery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is so disrespectful. I am so tired of people comparing choices they make to actual slavery. Okay, now break that down. Well, maybe we go, maybe we start first with like the fact that there are oppressive

and exploitive contracts that are signed. He's right about that. Right. But listen to what you said. Yeah, yeah. You said that are signed. Now, what we could say is there are oppressive and exploitive. contracts. Yes, we know this. I'm 42 years old since I've been alive. I've been hearing about

these shit. Right, right. Why the fuck are you still signing them? And I think that's the important distinction because you would probably say if you're a record label and you're signing some 13 year old kid, in one of these contracts, this kid don't have a lawyer. The record label's probably providing the lawyer. Exactly. If you need a lawyer, we'll provide one for you, that type of shit. Absolutely. That's fucked up. 100%. But if you were a 42 year old man who's been in the industry for a long time. Who's a multi-millionaire. Who hasn't just signed one contract, who has re-upped quite a few times at this same record label. And if you keep re-uping and not negotiating maybe the rights to buy out your masters or not negotiating the rights of your future music in your

deal, you kind of only got to be mad at you. Absolutely. And I always say smart people learn from their own mistakes, wise people learn from the mistakes of others. Right. Even though we have seen so many examples of people getting absolutely got in this motherfucking music industry. We've also seen a lot of examples of people who have actually done it right. L.L. Kuljay owns his masters. Rihanna owns her master's.

Jay-Z owns his master's. Stevie Wonder owns his master's. Metallica owns their masters. You two owns their masters. Why not talk to the people who've done it about how to do it? Michael Jackson owned the Beatles masters. He didn't just own his shit, right? I'm so glad

you bought that up. Yeah, go. Because I promise you man, that is a story that needs to be told. It's actually a story I would love the assistant telling. I love Prince, and we talk about Prince often. Prince raged war against the machine, as he should have, because, you know, he was in a bad situation. But for every Prince, there is a Michael Jackson. We don't talk about the story of Michael Jackson enough

because y'all busy too busy speculating on whether or not he was goddamn playing fucking naked Pity Pat with little boys. Is that a game? Yeah. Pity pet. What the fucking Pity Pat? I didn't know it was a game. I was like, did you just add nudity to?

What's the shit with your hands? I thought that's what it was called Pity-Five. Numbers is one of the... Like Taylor is, bullers, that type of shit, you know what I'm saying? No, no, no. Numbers is the one that we played. No, the shit where you slap your hands. Miss Mary.

May Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac, all dressed in black, black, black with silver buttons, whatever. You're also busy, boy, back, back. I should have just said you're so busy worried about Michael Jackson playing goddamn naked games with little kids. That's what it is. That's what it is.

That's all I'm essentially saying. Michael Jackson is the person who, who sat down, had a conversation with Paul McCartney. You know what Paul McCartney did? Paul McCartney put him on to the business of publishing and owning catalog. And Paul McCartney talked about how he got finessed in a situation

because it doesn't just happen to black people. It happens to white people in this music business too. He got finessed out of the Beatles catalog. He talked to Michael about how one day he wanted to buy back the Beatles catalog. He planted that seed and Michael's head. What did Michael do? Michael got that motherfucking money with Thriller and instructed his attorney to go

buy the goddamn Beatles catalog. Let's go. Let's go. When he bought the Beatles catalog for like $40 plus million, I forgot exactly what the number was. He bought it for $40 plus million dollars and he bought it from the company's ATV. So he ended up owning half of ATV. Sony eventually, if I'm not mistaken, I could be telling this story wrong, buys ATV. So now Sony and ATV are 50-50 partners. Fucking Michael Jackson ends up being 50% owner of damn there all the publishing in the music. industry. Michael,

whenever you see Sony ATV, that is Michael fucking Jackson is the ATV part. Michael Jackson owned Eminem and I think Beyonce for a moment. He owned, I mean, you could Google who he all had under the publishing company.

But my point is, that is a story of somebody who did it. Right. Right. That is a story of somebody who figured it out. Now, let me ask you this question. To the people out there who go, you shouldn't be able to own someone else's songs.

How do you feel about that? Well, in the case of somebody like Michael Jackson, another reason I don't think Michael gets enough credit, Michael owned the publishing and then gave it back. He gave Little Richard his publishing back. You know what I mean? It was somebody else, too. Somebody else well-known.

I want to say Ron Isley, but that's probably totally wrong. But I definitely know he gave Little Richard his publishing back. And that's what you should do. See, the problem is a lot of these brothers, they get in these positions, right, of power. and they adopt the same exploitive tactics of the white man that they fighting against or the record industry person that they're fighting against

or the TV producer owner that they're fighting against. You know what I mean? Like I saw somebody post the day, I forgot the young brother's name, but he posted, damn, he retweeted Kanye talking about how everybody should get their publishing back. He was like, shit, you offered me $35,000 for all my publishing. And then he tweeted, I was mad excited to sign with Kanye

until I saw that goddamn offer. But guess what that young man didn't do? He didn't sign the fucking contract because he wasn't caught up in the hype and he wasn't caught up in that $35,000. A lot of these brothers, they take the fucking bad. Yeah, yeah.

Because they want the perception of power as opposed to actually having power. And it takes patience to get to that real power. Yes. And now you're just on Twitter, motherfucking complaining. Now, do you think it's possible that he is abundantly aware

of the importance of owning your masters and has probably had these conversations with these record labels before and he's just doing this as a publicity stunt to get some attention for something. No, I don't think it's a publicity stunt. I think that Kanye's not getting what he wants because, you know,

I mean, once again, this is just me talking. Yes. I was told Kanye just resigned recently. Okay. You know what I mean? I was in the process of resigning. And I think that's probably what he was.

wanted in his negotiations. And they're not giving it. And I'm sure they don't want to give it to him. He wants to buy them back. Right. But they won't necessarily sell them. And the reason they probably won't sell them is because if you look at some of the contracts, if you look at the pages of the contract that Kanye posted, Kanye still owes the

label mad money. How else can they fucking recoup? Like they're still recouping. Now, here's my thing. Yo, pay the label back, everything that you owe them. Yeah. Buy your masters. Keep it moving.

Sadly, that's how business works. Nobody's going to give you anything in this business people. Like, there's no such thing as fair. Right, right, right. You get what you deserve. You don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate. You knew what it was.

If you don't want to deal with that, then don't sign. Right. Ever. Seriously. Right, right. Don't sign ever if you don't ever want to deal with that. Now, is it possible? Some people might say, yeah, but there was terms put into these contracts so you never can

fully recoup. And that's super fucked up because then the label can say, hey, we can't give you the masters until you pay it back, yet they have a system set up where you never exactly pay it back. Well, Kanye is a billionaire. So negotiate a good price. You're a billionaire. You can afford to pay.

Right. Right. You can afford to pay whatever it is you own. And you can afford to buy your master's back. So that's why these discussions are tough because, like, everybody agrees there's exploitive contracts. Absolutely. And the people complaining about these contracts like Kanye have signed people to

exploitive contracts. Like, is he giving everybody that works for like good music back their masters? That's what we need to see. Let's open up the hood of good music. Let's do it. Let's see what Big Sean's deal looks like. We talk. We talk about what's the guy's name who did?

I'm loving it. What's his name? Push a T. Push a T. The McDonald's jingle? Yeah. Oh. He's a guy who wrote that.

He really did that. I heard. And he did the Arby's one too. I heard it, but I'm not 100% sure. I don't believe this. Anyway, allegedly, that's true. what it is. He owns like 50% of it, something like that. It's like, we hear about him owning the jingles, but does he own his songs under good music? And if he does, God bless. But I guess the

point is like, there can be exploitive terms that we should try to like get rid of or give artists the ability to like, I don't know, buy back their music, negotiate back their music or something. But at the same time, we can hold adults accountable. You got to hold adults accountable for the contracts they signed. Like you said earlier, man, if you were a young kid from the hood, you don't know no better. You fresh out and they take advantage of you. I totally feel your pain. You know what I'm saying?

Even though you too should be paying attention to what everybody has been saying for years. Sure. But you're a kid. You don't know. You're too excited. You don't know. You're too excited.

But when you are a grown individual who constantly re-ups, who constantly renegotiates, and you take these big bags of money for various albums. Like you might get 12. I think I was reading the contract that he posted.

I think he got 12 million for like years. and like three for this album, three for that album. You know what you're negotiating. I mean, didn't he negotiate a piece of Adidas? Yeah. So if you know how to get a piece of ownership when it comes to your clothing brand and the clothing brand that owns it,

why can't you do that with your music? Absolutely. And see, the thing that Kanye is doing right now, that is scary for the record labels, right? Like, the record label isn't going to buckle right now. And the reason they're not going to buckle because if they buckle to Kanye, then they're going to have to buckle to a lot of other people.

under the universal umbrella. Because don't act like a guy like Drake or cash money. Don't act like they don't have the money. They buy back their masters at some point. Drake is definitely on his way to being a billionaire. You know what I mean? You think he's not going to come back and want to purchase his masters?

Do you think it's possible that this is a problem that won't really persist in the future as so many young artists go independent now? Absolutely, 100%. And it's not going to persist in the future because Kanye's going eventually end up, they'll probably give him like two of his masters back, right? They'll give him like,

they might give him the album that means the most to him, which I would think is his first album. Right. Right. And then an album that everybody says is his best album, which probably, what would you say? Doctor's a Fantasy. My doctor's the fantasy, right?

Right. So they'll probably give him those two. Yeah. He'll probably let him buy those two and he'll probably be cool for a second. Right. And be quiet. And then you'll all know that this wasn't about everybody.

It was just about Kanye. This was about, yay. You know what I mean? Don't you hate that when people, when people really just care about, like, their own success? It's the worst form of appropriation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Break that down. It's like, it's the worst form of appropriation because you're appropriating somebody's struggle.

And so you're using real struggles that exist like oppression. To get support for you. To get support for you. And you're rich problems. And oftentimes you're not really kicking that back to those people who struggle you're appropriating. Listen, if you really cared, you would simply treat people the way you want to be treated from the gate. I'm sure this isn't a new conversation for Kanye. It's

not like an artist hasn't come to him and said, yo, can I get that shit on that? Exactly. So being that, so being that this isn't a new conversation for you, there should never be anybody saying you offered them a bad contract like that young man on Twitter it was this morning. I can't remember his name right now. Like I've never even heard of him, but you've got to verify a check. He's a rapper. He said that

Kanye offered him a bad deal. And I would love to know how everybody else had good music's deal looks. And you can't, if you're actively trying to sell good music. Right. Right. To Def Jam or Universal or whoever it is. If you're trying to sell your label off, why would you be selling your label off

to the same oppressive system that you're trying to get out of it? The shit is just weird to me. And you know what I mean? But listen, and that's the problem when you use selective honesty to disarm people. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So it looks like Kanye's letting us in on this deep, dark music industry secret. And what he's saying is true because these contracts are oppressive. But let's go a couple more layers under Kanye and see why you're really having this conversation. You're having this conversation because you can't get what you want. Exactly.

But you're 42 years old. You've put out a lot of albums. You've renegotiated a lot of different times. You've had a lot of leverage for a long time, Kanye. You could have gotten this before. Is this like a classic like narcissism tactic where you think the thing that you're doing that's only self-serving is actually for the, greater good and you kind of like position it as if it's for the greater good when in reality it's only about self?

Yeah. Well, I think that's where the, um, I think that's where the narcissism starts, the narcissists starts to manipulate people because the more people you get riled up behind a cause, which is essentially really your cause. It just so happens to be related to the thing you want. It scares the fuck out of those record industry people. Because like I said before, the one thing universal doesn't want. is everybody that can actually get their masters back,

standing up asking for their masters. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes, yes, yes. And so that's what Kanye is doing right now. He's riling everybody up. Now I'm sure that some of these guys are choosing to play a different game. I'm sure a guy like Drake is just sitting back like, I'm going to be patient.

I'm going to stack this money up. Who knows what he has negotiated? And one day I'm just going to buy my shit back. And that's going to be a precedent. The way hold it. Right. You know what I mean? So some other people, they completely.

complain. Kanye complains. And I think that sometimes when you complain the way Kanye does, all you're showing people is that you don't have any control over the situation. And I don't ever want to look like I don't have any control over the situation. You know what I mean? Because I always want to maintain control over the situation. What? Who has the right to a song? What do you mean? So like the person who writes it and produces it. Okay. But sometimes the writer. is different than the producer, is different than the person that sings, is different than the person that plays guitar, the person that plays drums. Like a song that's written for Beyonce, it might take 20 people to make a song like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, there's no doubt that Beyonce is the one that makes it a hit, right? Not only with her fame, but with her talent, with her fan base, etc., right? But is that Beyonce's song just because she sings it, even if she didn't,

we're assuming that she didn't write the song that a whole cornucopia of musicians put it together. Like, who gets to truly say that's mine? I think Beyonce should get the biggest portion because she's Beyonce, so she has the leverage. Makes sense. If you're a superstar writer, then maybe y'all will share publishing.

You know what I mean? Does DJ Cowd own, is he the guy who owns his songs, even though he doesn't do anything besides assemble them? I guess that's what I'm saying? People are like, I want to own my masters. I want to own my masters. But what if there are people out there like, like, what if Farrell is like,

yo, I produced your whole album. Like, those songs are mine. Like you just sang on them, you just rapped on them, but I made them. I mean, maybe they should be ours. That's what I'm trying to say. Like, what if nobody owns the master? And what if the way it's done is you can buy your percentage? Like, if you or Beyonce, maybe you're responsible for 80% of that song.

It may be that way. I'm not a music industry junkie. I'm never going to be the person that sits up here and act like I know everything that's going on in music. Right, right. It could be that way. I don't know. I'm just saying there's a lot of people who make a song hot. Especially if it's earlier in your career before anybody knows you.

Kanye's in this unique position where, like, he actually is the guy who can produce the song, he can write your song, he can record the song, he can master it. So you're almost like, all right, fam, like, maybe you do deserve the majority of your publishing because you can do all the work for it. But I'm sure there's artists like just some random fucking pop star. Yeah, it is a lot of people who have publishing on a record, though. I had to clear, I had to clear Black of the Berry, you know, to use for the promo for the Black Effect. Right. and boy, by the way, my how times have changed. Why?

Because back in the day, I mean, maybe because I was just doing radio in a smaller market where you could just take a song and put it as an instrumental for a commercial. And it didn't matter. And nobody would give a shit. If it wasn't on TV or anything like that, now you have to clear these things and tell them what it's for. Or it's for digital distribution.

You know what I mean? But it was a lot of people that had to clear that record. Number one was Top Dog. Oh, really? Yeah, which I was extremely happy to hear. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, top, salute to top, salute to punch.

Like, they had to, yeah. Once it came from them, then it just trickled down to everybody else. But it literally was like this composer and that composer and this sample that. Like, it literally is everybody does eat off it. You know what I mean? When you got to get those records clear because we had to pay for that. So everybody does eat off of that. Yeah.

That's a good thing. So maybe it does break down the way you just described when it comes to percentages and all that. I don't know the intricate details. All I know in the most simple, lame in terms, you don't have to sign this shit. Yeah. I don't know how many times I got to tell you all that. You don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate.

Yeah. You talk about slavery being a choice. You made a choice. You made a choice. Where's this ship going? And by the way, it's actually one of the same. stupidest choices to make because we have seen so many stories of people getting screwed. We've seen modern day stories, past stories. We've seen so many stories of people getting

got. So the best advice I can give any artists out there, listen to the people that have done it, tell you how to do it. I named y'all people who actually have their masters. El-L. Kujia has his masters. Rihanna has her master's. J-Z has his masters. Listen to to them. Stevie Wonder has his master's. Go, go read up on the story of Michael Jackson and saw how he ended up, you know, getting the Beatles catalog and owning all this publishing, right? Like, go go, go find out those stories. Go study somebody like Chance. Chance is the guy who owns his masters now. Right. Because he chose not to sign whatever was being put in front of him. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Those are the people to study. What are you saying now?

with Michael Jackson, so he bought it for $41 million in 1985, and then they bought his 50% stake for $750 million. Low balled the fuck out of him. But he was dead, though. Yeah, he was dead. He was dead. So that's like the estate sold it for $750 million. And the Beatles catalog alone is worth over a billion dollars.

That right there is just create a robbery. Now, by the way, y'all want to talk about motherfucking smearing campaigns, and y'all want to talk about people who absolutely, folks had every reason to try to ruin. Michael, God damn. Talk to me. I mean, it's obvious. He owned half of the publishing of the music industry. That's too much power for one black person to have, and he's giving people's publishing back to them. If there's anybody who got it, it's him. Come on, man.

And by the way, they've been trying to get Michael out to paint since the fucking 90s, right? When did all those allegations and shit start? I don't know. It seemed like they've been going on for as long as. I've been alive, but definitely around that 90s era is when all of that shit really started happening. He started to really have all of those problems. And that's just because he was really fucking up status quo.

We cannot have these goddamn artists thinking that they can just be going on here and buying back day publishing. I don't think people realize how much money it costs to use a song. A lot. Will you say how much it costs? I don't even know the exact number. All they said to me was. thousands.

Doug, I was looking up. Handle it, partner. It seems like that's your 50%. But I like to learn. No, of course. So for my special, I was looking at like songs that I would come out to, and I was coming out to this Michael Boo Blay song for a little bit, right? Michael Bullublaze?

Michael Blay. Can you sing it without them charging you? Birds flying high. You know how I feel. Hey. Now, it's actually, Anina. a Simone song. Really?

Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. It's called Feeling Good. Yeah. And Michael Blue Blay covered it. I wanted to use this Michael Blue Blubley version, right? They were saying for the song, $150,000. That is...

Just to walk out to it? For it to play and proliferate through all these different things. That's right. You can do different parts. You can do just the chorus and just the beginning. There's different things. But if it was the song, it was going to be $150,000. Now,

I understand they're doing this like one fee so you can use it and like resell it and put it on all these different networks and all that stuff, et cetera. But think about that. $150,000. You chop that up a bunch of ways. That's a lot of fucking money, bro. You hear a song in a commercial? $150,000.

Yes. Like this is huge money. Yes. So when you make the hit and you're like, yo, I'm going to make millions torn. I'm going to make millions selling albums. These record execs are going, bruh, we can make millions selling it to Kia. Y'all ain't even pay attention. First of all, the positively brilliant,

the verses with Gladys Knight and Patty LaBelle. My God, that was such a vibe. And it was such a vibe because I loved seeing all of these different generations coming together to watch it. Like my sister and my cousin, they had my mom and my aunt on Zoom watching it via Instagram. But y'all didn't notice Gladys Knight didn't play a lot of her huge records. Y'all ain't here.

I heard it through the great. The reason she probably didn't play it is you probably don't own it. She probably couldn't clear it. To play it on that platform probably would cost a whole bunch of fucking money. That's what I was thinking. I mean, I don't know this for sure. I'm just assuming. I'm like, why wouldn't Gladys play I heard it through the grapevine?

That's probably the reason why. She probably didn't. She probably don't own the records. She probably don't own the rights to the record. Even somebody, I think I read, I think Artemis Gordon, who I love, you should follow Artemis Gordon. I think Artemis Gordon even said that at certain points, they were playing different interpretations of her records.

Because you can't play the exact one. Yes. That's what I, that's what. I mean, I don't, I didn't notice because, you know, I'm not, I love Gladys Night and I love Patty and it brings you back to a time when your dad and your mom was just riding around. You hear this music in the house, but I'm not, I wasn't up on a catalog to be able to tell what the difference was.

But I saw, I ought to miss say that and I believe it. But I heard it through the grapevine definitely was one that made me like, why didn't they play her to the grapevine? Yo, you how much money I heard it through the grapevine probably makes when it plays? Y'all remember the California fucking raisins, bro? Somebody made millions off them fucking, just licensing that song to those commercials, bro. I promise you. I promise you.

So, yes, there's a lot of money in that shit. What else did you see this week that made you say positively brilliant? What a fucking idiot. What a fucking idiot had to be the clippers. Woo! I mean, like, unbelievable. You think they curse for real, bro? I don't know if it's curse.

dude. Like, I really don't know if it's cursed. I think it's like, what do you mean cursed? They can't get past the fucking second round in the playoffs. Like, something is wrong. Yeah.

Is it Donald Sterling? Maybe. Even though he's not the owner anymore, maybe the basketball gods don't even want him to be remotely happy. Because when you've been attached to something for so long, even when they win, you're going to cheer.

You could act like you built it. That's still your baby. You still got to see your baby win a championship. The basketball gods are like, nope, until he passes away, we're not going to shine any light on this franchise. Now, Paul George, Kauai Lennon, they're like a year away from free agency. Well, Paul George could go now. He can go now, but I'm saying all that to say,

maybe one of y'all need to call up Donald Sterling and see how much he loves the clippers, man. He's 86, but he might have a few years left. Y'all don't know if y'all got a few years of Kauai and Paul left. Call up Donald and just ask him like, hey, man, you know. You know what the term 86 means. Just saying, now's the time to go, time. I'm just saying, Donald, I heard, you know, kind of popping in wherever you're going. Both of them are lit right now.

Trust me, heaven and hell are both popping right now. It's all about temperature for you. What climate you like? You're a California boy inching. Yeah, you're good, you good. But I didn't get a nice tan. All I'm simply saying is I don't think the basketball guys are going to shine any light on the clippers until Donald Sterling passes away. But Paul George definitely can go now.

Who do you think gets the blame? Everybody. Collective effort. Doc Rivers, the head coach. You kind of got to give it to Doc, right? Kauai Linnett, you know, you got to show up. You know what I'm saying? I love Kauai.

He's a cancer like me. We got the same born day. I feel like I understand him, but you got to show up. Yeah. And by the way, this was the year. And I didn't even think about this until, um, I actually read this. I forgot who I read it.

I read it somewhere, but this was the year for Kauai to prove that he's really a legitimate number one. Yeah. I never thought about it. No, Raptors. I thought so, but the Raptors made it all the way to the second round. The Raptors were good this year.

Raptors made to game seven, too. That's what I'm saying. So that shows Kauai had a great squad around him in Toronto. To me, what it shows is Kauai doesn't need to do any leading of a team when he's got a great organization. Like under Pop and the Spurs, everybody falls in line with the Raptors,

amazing organization. He was the fourth option with San Antonio too though. In the beginning, but then eventually he became the alpha. Like when they were playing Golden State, right? And he busted the ankle. Like he was busting ass. But what's interesting is he goes to the clippers

where he actually needs to keep people in line. Like you need to keep Patrick Beverly in line. You need to stop Lou Williams from going to a strip club and leaving a bubble. Like guys, those are not players that you want to be in a game seven with. Yeah, that nonverbal shit don't work. It don't work.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if Doc isn't doing his job, which is literally organizing and making sure everybody's committed and they can thug out at game seven, then you got to step up if you're the leader. He's just nonverbal. So I think you got to put that on him. Paul George, bruh, it breaks my heart, man. This guy don't got it. Stephen A. Smith said Paul George is running the risk of being Dwight Howard. Let me tell you something.

I don't ever want to be that verb, bro. Whoa. And then Stephen comes back. I love how Steve Day Smith was shit on you, but then come back and be like, like, but I love the exceptional job that Dwight Howard is doing now, just as a role player. You know what I mean? But the way he explained it was true. Dwight Howard was in a system that was great for Dwight Howard that made Dwight Howard an all-star.

Orlando in Orlando. And then after that, he became sort of a journey, man. He never was the same since. He said Paul George is running the risk of being that because in Indiana there was a system that made him look amazing. Yeah. That shit right there would fuck with me, bro. Yeah.

Like, it would definitely fuck me. But guess what? There's nothing wrong with being a part of a system. If the system works for you. Golden State is a system. Golden State is a system. I mean, there's a lot of different systems that worked. By the way, systems are the only thing that does work.

The Patriots are a system. You need a system. That's a problem with the clippers. That's a problem with oppression. What? It's a system. It's a system. You have to have a system.

That's what y'all need to do. The last of system is what causes the clippers to lose in game seven. There's no system. By the way, the Clippers ain't had a system all year. What's this system? Kawhi, do it. People act like, you know, they got a great defense, but is it a defensive system or do they have individual great defensive players

like Patrick Beverly, Kauai Linder? Raptors, fire system. Great system. Right? You could literally have a team that doesn't have a star, Kyle Lowry, but outside of that, you're not looking at some Pascal Siakum, like. On his way to be on his way, but he bummed it up in the playoffs. But the Raptors have such a strong system,

some of a strong culture, on coaching and Kyle Lowry is underrated that they could be effective in the playoffs against the Celtics. Game 7, could have won that game. Could have won the game. Yeah, the clippers ain't the clippers, they're the cissas. And if they are the clippers, they are the clippers, they're the clippers that motherfucker's

that motherfucker's been using at home during this pandemic. You know what I'm saying? They're not the shit people using a goddamn barbershop. Okay. That's all. That's all. What else? Was that your, what a fucking idiot? Or? I don't know. No, you did what a fucking idiot. You didn't do positive.

He's brilliant. I'm just in here. I love this studio. You like it. I like the energy in the studio, man. I'm so sick of fucking Zoom. I hate it. I can't stand it. I hate doing the breakfast club on Zoom.

I hate doing interviews on Zoom. I'm missing all of these great moments because they got to be virtual now. Like we're going into Radio Hall of Fame this year. Virtually? Yeah. It's like, yo, get a big enough space. It's only like 10 people getting in.

Everybody bring a guest. And let's just socially distance and have an actual fucking event. Why can't you do that? I don't know. I didn't I doing that. Why don't you do it outside? Do it outside?

I don't fucking know. It could be in L.A. I had another award that I was getting this year that I was looking forward to. That's why you hate Corona. You're like, I can't get my awards. You got that right. But unlike these narcissists out here,

I'm telling you it's about me. Okay? I'm not trying to make it seem like I give a fuck about everything else. Okay? What is that? Taylor? Oh, this ads?

All I'm simply saying is, yes, I am sick as a zool. I want to experience some of this dope shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like there's no memories being made virtually. Like, I mean, even regular simple shit that you look forward to, like, talking to advertisers. You know what I'm saying?

Right, right. Like, I would rather be doing that on a stage in front of the room. You know what I'm saying? Like, I try to write fire speeches. You shit don't hit over Zoom. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But you also like the, I think you like the tension.

I think you thrive off the tension. It's magic. Yeah. That's why. Energy. I've noticed even like early in our days when we were like MTV and you were like, yeah, I just want to do the show live. We were talking about it was your show.

It was on common sense. You're like, yeah, I want to do it live. And I'm like, why? And you're like, well, because then you don't like, you actually show up. You're not overthinking it. Yeah. You show up. You're in the game.

You're in the game. You're in the game. That's a good point. Because I never understood it. My whole thing was like, if it ain't stand up, why the fuck we're doing a lot? No, man. But there is a different energy, especially with the guests, people a little bit more nervous. Yeah.

And would be a little bit more nervous. You could break the tension with a joke better. It's live TV, man. Everything's so spur of the moment. And it's just like, yo, whatever you think your game plan is, it ain't going to work. Yeah. It ain't going to work. You got an audible.

You got to be able to audible. You got to be willing to do it. That's why I love radio. I love, yo, let's go. Turn the mics on. But Zoom, it don't have it, bro. Yeah. It ain't the same.

It ain't the same. And then, you know, sometimes you might say something on Zoom. They don't hear it. They don't hear it. Now you got to say it again. The moment's gone. Yeah, nothing worse than repeating a joke. No, fuck that.

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Get your hair. Now let's get back to the show. Did you read Chris Rock's article? I don't know if it was the New York Times. It was the Times. Neil Brennan sent it to me last night, salute to Neil. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Sluped to my guy, Neil.

I thoroughly enjoyed it only because Chris Rock is one of the most brilliant minds that I feel like our generation is seen. Not even just comedy. I just like his very common sense approach to just life. You know what I'm saying? He's a brilliant guy, undeniably brilliant guy. Legendary comedian and just philosopher. Yeah. He's a philosopher, dude.

A lot of things he said went viral. He said he wasn't offended by Jimmy Fallon's blackface bit. And then he also said, I can't say this because then I'm the bad guy or something like that. What was the context of that? He's like, I don't want to cancel everybody for the past. But at the same time, like, if I say I'm not offended, then everybody goes, Oh my God, you're a piece of shit. Now, Chris Rock is canceling.

Yes, exactly. Yeah, I mean, listen, I didn't, the thing, right, like I feel like I keep telling you, our cultural context matters. You know what I'm saying? Now, is there ever a right time for white people to wear blackface? No, only because I think throughout history

we've seen it never ends well. Right. But in that moment, nobody gave a fuck because they was just looking at Jimmy Fallon as imitating Chris Rock. Now, the question in that moment is, if Chris Rock's not offended, can black people be offended for him? Because Chris Rock was the one being spoofed.

That was a very specific spoof. It wasn't a, I'm wearing blackface and I'm doing a minstrel show and this is my depiction of all black people. I'm doing Chris Rock in particular. So who should be offended by that? Chris Rock are all black people. That's good. That's an interesting thing.

Like, if you are trying to be a specific person or thing, and as long as you do that person or thing justice, is it offensive? Is Blackface offensive if you're truly going for, you know, a comedian or a character or even like a Marvel book, you know, a Marvel book, a Marvel character? Like, like, is it? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't. But, I mean, I do feel like cultural context matters when he says. When he said he don't think Jimmy Fallon is racist, I believe him.

Yeah. I don't think Fallon is racist. I think what Chris said is true. It was just bad comedy. Well, does it make it? Yeah, it was bad comedy. Bad comedy. And Fallon's got plenty of that.

But I wonder, like, if doing something that is racist makes you racist. If doing something makes you racist, it's doing something. It depends, right? What Jimmy Fallon did with the blackface, Blackface is definitely considered racist. But we know what the context was. He was doing an impression of Chris Rock. Could he have done that impression without the black face?

Sure. Okay? But he didn't. Now, I guess here's my question is like, if you're not intending to be racist and you do something that people find racist, does that make you racist? No, but you can be unintentionally commit a racist act.

Yeah, you can be racist, but I don't think it makes you racist. No, no, no, no. Like, I think a lot of times it's just ignorance. Now, it can make you racist. Go. Because when you do something like Jimmy Fallon did that was unintentionally racist, and then people attack you for it and start calling you all type of names and this and that,

at some point you're going to say, I hate these N words. Yes. At some point, just like when you're getting attacked by any group, at some point, like, man, I hate these got, you know what I mean? I've seen it a million times. You get cut off by. woman driving. You know what it is? You'll be so upset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, let's be honest. A woman cuts you off. You're not sexist,

but when you're driving and a woman does something like that, you're like, it might be true. What they say about women driving? It's three second rule. You know when you drop some food, you can pick it up and eat it? You got three seconds to be sexes, racist, homophobic, whatever you want. That is a good fucking point. It's three seconds. And then after you calm down, you go, she didn't see me. That's not her fault. You know what you are in that initial reaction. When that shit hits your gut, if a gay slur is the first thing that comes to your mind. If a slur against women, a slur against black people, white people. Yep.

Yeah. Don't dismiss that you got a little bit. Also, yo, yo, this is real talk. If you get cut off, right? If you get cut off, right? And you just run to a gay slur and the person ain't cut you off gay or nothing? Like, he just cut you off. No, no, no, you're just a 90s, motherfucker.

You are not. 90s as fuck. That's 90s as fuck. Doesn't Chris Rock have a joke about that? That's funny. We're even talking about Chris Rock, where he said it's okay to use the F word. He's like, if there's a specific thing, what, Charlotte? What? What? You staying away from now? I don't want nobody to take that clip out of context. All you see is Andrewsson saying, it's okay to use the F word.

Well, Chris, what I'm saying? The black guys. They're not even going to put that. All they're going to say, it's okay to use the F word. That's it. Well, they don't know what F word. Fargo. Fargo. Yes. Oh, that's why Chris is doing promo

because you got Fargo. Yeah, Fargo. Fargo. But, no, the 90s was a different time. And that's why people have to understand cultural context because you'll go back and you'll listen to some of your favorite beloved rappers now, use those gay slurs.

They weren't even using them in the context of gay. Yeah. They weren't calling you that because they thought you were gay. Yeah. They just thought you were the gay slur. I tell this story all the time about my father. My father, if you... I mean, what?

Some of them might be trying to insult you by calling you gay. That's fair to say. Okay. Because they saw it as like a lack of masculinity. All right. Well, Jada kiss says, in a rap. Yeah. Perhaps for instance, I'll give this gay slur a French kiss.

That's clearly not meant to be the actual slur. Because what you're really admitting is you want to kiss... Well, can I have the content? kiss somebody in the same sex. That sounds fucking crazy. Hold on. Perhaps, for instance, this gay slur, I'll give a French kiss. Hold on.

I'm going to show you something right now. Complex has this great, this great list called the gayest lyrics of all time. It's the 69. Most pauseworthy lyrics in hip-hop history. Okay. All right. Anything. Now, hold on.

I'm going to pull up somebody. Hold on. Okay. Now, I never thought about this. This is Nause on Itta. Okay. Dick sucking lips. Why won't you let the late great veteran live? Because think about it. You know, you see a fly woman and back in the day you want to holl out. You're like, yeah, my, let me live. But you see a man and you say dick sucking lips. You know, that's true. Why are you saying a guy has, why are you saying a guy has dick sucking lips unless you're thinking, whoa, he could probably do some good dicks. stuck him with those lips.

Yo, Nas, he didn't have a conversation about that. I know he didn't mean it in that way, but that's how it came out. It might not only be Godson across the belly. Oh, my God. Might be a lot of Nas sons across the belly if you ask me. And by the way, I love all of these guys. It's the same as the shame that I'm talking about some of my favorite rappers of all time. Young Jeezzy says,

Oh, Jeezy. You can miss me with that he can't rap shit. Tell them gay, slur, ass, and words to wrap their lips around my dick. What's kind of music? What's going on, guys? Context, man. Why is anybody saying anything that rappers are homophobic? They are gay.

This is very progressive. I don't know what this means. This is Tupac off the thug nature song. It's the remix. Uh-huh. He says, picture me paying for pussy when the dicks for free. hey now where my niggas at no he doesn't say that

yes he does and please he doesn't say it the way you said it he didn't picture me baby pussy bull dick for free head out head out no way dude I'm just so I'm trying to find this one DMX line I keep going this is really fun

yeah Al scroll through so I can look at something too let me see hold on oh put it up yeah pull it up that's it that's it that's the oh my god we got produced we got production go go okay that's the nags line right there Okay, but go up. Go up. Go up. The other way, Al. The other way. The other up. Kanye West on gossip files. Kanye says, it's actually number. It's numbered. Go to number 51. Baby boy, go hire a squadron. My crib got more poles than a fire department.

I saw that one. I get why that would be a pause. Yo! Go to camera. Go to 51. Oh, no, no. Stop right. Go back. Go back. Go to guru. God bless the day. Guru, S to the next. Uh, my ex-girls got balls. I get what he's trying to say. I don't.

But in this progressive era, wait, wait, what is he trying to say? My ex- Like, she got balls. She got confidence, courage. You know what I mean? You never heard of them? I have, but not saying that way. It's very patriarchy. Why don't you say my ex-girls brave?

Because that was patriarchy back then. This is all very, like, nuanced, nuanced, like. You know, if an alien just raised. these words, they'd be like, yo, black dudes are gang. Go to 51. Imagine that is the only thing aliens are reading, bro. Yeah, it says 62, 61. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

62. Go to 52. 52. No, 50. Oh, no. Matter of fact, go to 52 and 51. All right, 52. 52.

This is Red man. Sloat to my guy, Red man. Red man is wild, though. Red man says that life skin brother with mad shaft up your fucking ass. But he could be talking to girls. Yeah, but he can also be saying that light skin brother. No, he's the light skin brother. Redman is the light skin.

But R could be another light skin brother. But most likely it's his dick is up a girl's butt. I'm with you, but I'm still pausing that. Guys, let me explain rap to you. This is how we go to 51. 51 is amazing. It's Kanye West. Because we they leaders and they're the followers and we to nut buses and they to swallow us.

So he's talking about women. I mean, I don't know. I don't know, bro. Because you can't just be women's leaders. 50 is good, too. You think it's sexist? Yeah, it's probably sexist. He didn't name a gender in that, though.

50 is good, but that's a reach. The boys in the hood are always hard. Rest in peace, easy, E. It's one on here that is so wild, bro. Hold on, I'm trying to find. Joe, I get in butt styles like a hard-up homosexual. I don't even know how to reach. that like a rap.

Swimming. Remember my daddy's big nuts. So insane, I cause colon blow brain. And by the way, God bless the dead. I thought Biggie had the greatest. Paul's working. D&X got him beat by a long shot. Okay, this is DMX on top shot. Go to number 37. Now, there's no explain. Now, you know how we've had, we've mentioned a couple of

these and we can explain them? There's no explain this. Go to 37. What does that say? motherfucker, I'll rip your butthole out of place. Motherfucker, I'll rip your butt hole out of place. Wow. Deerbex had a few of those, though. Yes, he's the best. Yeah, that's terrible.

There's no explaining, ripping a motherfucker's butthole out of face. Yeah, that's out of place. Imagine a guy said that to you. Holy shit. Oh, my goodness. That would be so scary. So Deambex was the original booty goon.

No, DMX got the wild one, bro. What is that? What is a big point? have a lot of questionable stuff? No, big pun does not have questions. Well, he does have one. What was it? He just said when you awaken your manhood

will be taken. It is. Yeah, but. Now, this is wild. Go to number 27. 27. Go to 27. And they're just getting gay or as we go down?

Okay. Black Rob. Whoa. You have to read this one. Finger near a nigger. A asshole. Like, whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Why would your finger be near a guy's asshole? I have no idea. Could he be referring to a woman as an N-word? Maybe. Go to 25. 25 is good too. This is my man Eric Sherman. Yeah, shout out of Eric Serman.

The name of this song is, Who's Booty? Okay. Eric Sherman says, you can call me gay or a tody-frudy, but I won't touch it until I know who's booty. We're not making none of this up. Oh, my God. Number 24 is my man, Jake. the kiss on last date, hearing you out is senseless.

Perhaps for instance, I give this gay slur a French kiss. That actually sounds mad polite. It does. Hearing you out is senseless, okay?

I'm kissing you. You're not going to talk me out of it. That's what it sounds like. Okay, let's go. That's me too. Exactly. That is me too. It's a gay me too.

It's a cultural context, guys. Shout to Jada with the heat too. At least the other one wasn't me too. He said he has no the booty. 50 cent piggy bank.

Can we go to that one? Yeah, yo, bring the condoms. I'm in room two or three. Got out of context, bro. That's crazy. Yo, we need, complex, our genius. Y'all need to be, y'all need to do,

I salute to my man Mack. Mack is an old intern of mine. Now Mac does mornings on Power 99 in Miami with Tricking Trinna. He does this thing called the Paws Police. Uh-huh. They need to bring this back and ask these rappers about these lyrics.

That'd be hilarious. DMX on Go to Sleep says, niggas tried to holler but couldn't holler back. Now they got to swallow everything in the sack. Whoa. Yo, bro. Just call DMX back, guys. Whatever you do,

if DMX calls you, you call him back immediately. It's an exhibit. Hold on. Go to 11. This is exhibit. Pimp my ride, man. Listen to what the exhibit said.

Exhibit says, just because niggas get behind you don't mean. they got your back. Beware to surfing. Yo, come on. Yo, come on. Come on. Come on.

Yeah. Yo, rest in peace. Biggie Small. Biggie said, niggas press their luck and they get a butt fucking straight up the ass. Raw dog with the rash.

And I don't fuck with the condoms. Bro. Why do we say pause at all? I get why there is this level of pause within the black community because y'all are gay as fuck. You know?

I'm saying. If you don't say pause, you may not know. By the way, we're gay with lyrics. We're gay in life. Yeah. Like white boys would do like the bologna tossing on each other's ass. You know what I mean? What?

No, we'll just, I never heard that one. Yo, y'all just, you just made some of them. The t-bagging. Yeah, we slap each other's dicks. That's funny, but baloney on a guy's ass. That's super gay, bro. The bologna Tossing? No, what is that?

Okay. What is that? No, what's baloney tossing? Is it see if it sticks to the ass? Yeah, they throw the bologna and see if it'll stick to the ass. We don't do that, dude. We don't eat it afterwards. Like, right off the guy's ass.

We don't do that. We'll, like, wrap our shaft around our wrists and pretend it's a watch. Impossible. What? White person has that type of penis. Okay, a bracelet, but still. A ring. This is a ring.

This is a ring. Go to number seven. Go to number seven. This is Farrow much. Farrell Munch. Better believe I butt fuck MC from the rear. He's a straight up

Fainer. Okay, keep going. DJ quick. I don't even want to read that one. Hold on. Now, I never had my dick sucked by a man before. But you're going to be the first, you little trick-ass ho.

Then you can tell me just how it tastes. But before I nut, I shoot some piss in your face. I listen. That's DJ quick expressing his manhood. That's him saying, keep playing with me, yo. I'm going to put my dick in your fucking mouth

and disrespect the shit out of you. Okay. I don't know. I'm just trying to make it sound cool. Male groupies getting shaky when I come from the rear. That's Red Man. Cody number four.

Number four, this is Farrell. You ain't heard that we swallowed guys? Oh. Now, this is wild. Now, number three is wild. I don't understand number three. This is my good old friend.

Fredro. Sorry. I just watched it. This is from Onyx last days. Fredro said my theory is fucking sexy niggas get abducted. I don't know. He's not killing yourself sexy. He gets abducted.

What's number one? Girls. Oh, yeah. You might got more cash in me, but you ain't got the skills to eat a ass like me. I don't even know how we got on this subject. How do we start talking about this? You brought it up. Why?

No. Why? How did we get here? It was a deep dive in the rear? Was that a deep dive in the rear that we did just now? It might have been. Jesus Christ. Let's do things you won't give a fuck about next week, Taylor.

Let's go. About Trump was Joe Rogan to moderate? Oh, yes. I'm all for that. What did you say? I don't know who started that because I heard two different versions. I don't know if Joe Rogan was having that conversation. and the person he was having a conversation with

bought it up and said that he needs to moderate a democratic debate between Joe Biden and Trump and Trump agreed. Yeah, he said I do on Twitter, yeah. I loved it for self-serving reasons because it sparked a conversation and they had a conversation on the view the next day. Yes.

And my name came up on the view. And Whoopi Goldberg said she thinks that all the presidential candidates to come to the Breakfast Club and then Megan McCain said Charlamagne has asked the best questions of this whole presidential cycle. Let's go! Shout some Megan.

Don't be afraid to play that clip, Taylor. I think everybody should go on the breakfast club and start with that if you want to shake it up. And visit lots of different. And by the way, Charlaman has asked them of the best questions, but Charlemagne asked the best political questions of this entire cycle. But what does that say about our meeting? He's a very smart. I don't think he's a journalist, but he's a host.

He's incredibly. He's asked the best questions. What does it say about our political media? Well, it says a lot. It says several things. It says that people who are not political junkies also have really smart things to ask. And it would not be a bad thing to have a political debate in front of folks, whether it's Charlemagne, whoever it is, you know, including Joe or Charleston, to put those guys together

or those gals together and do a whole piece with them, you know, asking questions and then go to the more traditional. I don't see why we can't do both. You know, I'm not afraid to say when I'm doing things for self-serving purposes. All right. But she said that I've asked the best questions in the presidential cycle. And I think that's dope. And the reason I think that's dope is because what Trump did and the reason Trump will always have the edge, even though that's not good for our democracy, but the reason he will always have the edge

on politicians, it's because he's not a politician. He's a reality show star. So when you talk about somebody having their posts on what's going on in the world, it's because that is his world. Joe Biden don't know to be like, yeah, I'd love to have Joe Rogan do a debate. He had to wear it with all to come on a burger club, but that's because people around him told him to go do it. He saw all the other Democratic nominees come do it,

so he decided he had to do it. But it just shows. He did that on Zoom? He did it on Zoom? He down Zoom, yeah. And did you think he was sharp? What did you think about it? Like, is he all there?

Biden? Yeah. I mean, he was alive. He was alive. Because they gave him the heads up. That's enough. You know what I'm saying? But he was too alive. So he came in shooting too much.

Oh, that's when he said the thing. That's why he gave me the U.N. Black. He was all right. He was ready to go. He was like, oh, this Charlemans and getting at me and giving me donkey today and yada, yada, yada, yada. He was too on. He was charged up. He was too charged up.

But once again, the reason I love what Trump said, or even what Rogan said, just by saying that, you get what you're trying to get by having Joe Biden played Despacito on stage or having comp Senator Harris wear timbulins. Right. You know what I'm saying? You're actually getting real cultural cachet because it's coming from an organic place as opposed to looking like you're coming off to private jet. with the wrong Tim's on, laced up crazy, all your Democratic, you know, partners tweeting about it

because they're so culturally clueless that they know, they know you're wearing knees instead of these. You know what I mean? But when you just mention, hey, yeah, I would love to do a debate

with Joe Rogan and Joe Biden. Now when Joe Biden he'd ask that question, he's going to say no. I think he said no already, right? Didn't he dismiss it or something? And he probably dismissed it because of the backlash

that Bernie Sanders got when Joe Rogan said I'll vote for Bernie Sanders. If you want to know what a real media-backed smear campaign is, anytime Rogan is introduced to the political sphere, like anytime anybody says, oh, Rogan said he supports this candidate, or, oh, Rogan's going to do a debate. Literally, the next day, there will be a hip piece about how he's transphobic or homophobic or racist or racist or sexist, anything they could do to cut the legs out.

But this is how stupid they are. they don't realize that people don't give a fuck about what some lady on the view says. They don't give a fuck about what the New York Times says anymore. People care about podcasts. They care about podcasts. They care about podcasts. They care about people.

We say power to the people in America, but politicians don't seem to subscribe to that. They don't say. Some get it. I think part of Trump's success is understanding that. Because he's not a politician. Probably. He's in entertainment. He's in entertainment.

And by the way, if you're a, politician, right? How can you say, and I'm speaking directly to Democrats here, how can you say that you're going to be the president for all of America? But y'all are so quick to dismiss people. Keep going. Like, you shouldn't dismiss Joe Rogan or anybody that listens to Joe Rogan. You shouldn't dismiss, I saw, you know, earlier this year, early this summer, you know, the Biden campaign dismissed Linda Sarser. They dismissed themselves from Linda Sarser. Louis Smith is a progressive, you know, who is on the front lines fighting for all of the social justice that happen to black and brown people in this country. And, you know, she has a following, right?

Big following. Now, there is some, like, criticism of her. And this is why the campaign tried to dismiss themselves as potentially being anti-Semitic. Distance is the word. Distance. Yeah, yeah. Distance themselves from her. And that's why they did because they're like, oh, I don't want to be attached to this at all because then they could use this against me when it comes to.

Debate time. Yeah, but even, but she's still in America. So are you truly president to all America? Are you truly creating a government or a democracy that represents all Americans? You know what? And this is the thing that you got to credit Barack Obama with. And I know that he gets criticized a lot for this. But like, it seemed to me that it was very important to him and his administration to be everyone's president, not black people's president.

Yeah, he would say that. And he probably would say that. He never said it. I don't think, I'm pretty sure he never said it publicly. Maybe he did. I'm not sure. But he's definitely said that behind the scenes from what I've been told. And that is the job.

That is the job. And that's the thing. And I know that like in retrospect or in hindsight, a lot of people look back and they're like, see, he didn't do enough for us, this, that the other. But the job that he signed up for was to be the president for everybody. That's what everybody signs up for. Exactly. That's what we get mad at Trump for, right?

Because he's catering to his specific base and he's alienating people. people and he's being divisive and he's saying, we don't fuck with them and we don't fuck with them. But you're essentially doing the same thing. So here's the thing. Who gets remembered better, right? Because when I look at back at what Barack did, I think that it's admirable that he could put himself up for that type of long-term criticism to do the right job for the most amount of people.

Now, Trump will probably be remembered better in history than Barack because his constituents will go he was the greatest ever. Just like Reagan, right? Like Reagan could flood the fucking hood with crack, but his constituents would be like, we don't know anything about that. Reagan is a consummate conservative. Reagan is the one that we have to do.

You know why? Because you can't be all things to all people. Exactly. So if you are just servicing your base, maybe history remembers you better. But if you're actually trying to do the job, maybe the country is in a better place. And if you could sacrifice your own personal ego for what the fucking country needs.

Take politics out of it. I don't care if you're left or right. Listen to this right now. Get rid of that for a second. If you were literally just trying to do the best job for those eight years that you have, that means sacrificing your ego, yo. And that's something that I don't think Trump can do

because I think it's really important to him what his legacy will be with this presidency. And while there's things that he does that I do like, I like his political policy overseas. I'm not a big war guy. I don't want them blowing up innocent fucking Muslims for no reason because these, These hacks want to dig oil out of the ground and steal it or they want these like a defense

contracts. That being said, I have to give Obama credit for his ability to govern the majority of Americans instead of a small group. Or at least try. At least try. I mean, listen, you can't be all things to all people, but here's my thing when you're the president of the United States of America. All you have to do is be open to everybody's interests. You know what I'm saying? You should be willing to listen to everybody's interests. You know what I mean? You can, you should be able to be pushed. If the gay community comes and they have a piece of legislation that they want pushed and they come at you and they're pushing you to do it. You feel like doing that? Do it. If black people have an agenda and they want this done, get it done. If white farmers in fucking the Midwest want it done, get it done. You can literally

look at what everybody's interests are, look at everybody's individual agendas and see how we can, see how that can, how you can be of service to these people. Because that's all you're here to do is as president, be a service. Well, then here's my other question, which is like, In a democracy, the majority wins. So is your job just to service the majority? I wonder if that is, by definition, how things should go. And if these populist presidents are just servicing their base, then they're doing what they're supposed to do.

And maybe it's on the rest of us for just sitting on our asses and not voting. Well, and allowing that to happen. Here's the thing. You bring up a great point. And when you win by pushing a certain agenda, right, and you win by saying that you're going to implement certain legislation, if the people that vote for you, vote for you based off those things, you got to do it.

And you make that happen. Yeah. If everybody else is just upset that you're in the White House and they don't engage with you, they don't participate in democracy. They're like, fuck that, we're just going to wait until a Democrat gets in. Fuck that, we're just going to wait until a Republican gets in and then we're going to get our interest. Like, that's not good politics.

You know what I mean? They did that with Obama too. Yeah. Republicans refused to play ball with Obama. They refused to engage with Obama because they didn't want to piss off their base. That's not good for America. Yeah. What's good for America is when you have somebody in the White House that's Republican,

our Democrat, who listens to the needs of all people and a person that can be pushed. And the reason you can be pushed because you never know, these are all hypothetical votes that could have. that could happen for you in the future. You don't know. That's the problem with when a lot of people don't vote or when the majority of people don't vote is that you only have to service the select groups that do.

If everybody over 18 voted, you better believe the populist president would be reflect, his views would be reflective of the majority of people because that would be the only way he could win. When you only have, how many people vote in America?

I think last election was 80-something million. When you'll have 80 million. Almost 100 maybe, I don't know. Whatever. If you only have the only have, have that many people vote, right, then a small swath of the country, let's say 45 million people could influence the entire election. We got 330 million people here. Why are we letting these politicians pander to 45 million over here or 45 million over here? This is why our

politics is so extreme anyway, because only the extremes vote and all of us in the middle are like, man, the left all the way on the left, y'all too crazy. And all the way in the right, y'all too crazy. Why can't we just be in the middle? You know why? Because the middle don't fucking vote. And you know why? You know why the middle don't vote? Because the politicians are just as extreme as the people that vote for them. Well, if we voted, it would pull them in. But they know we're not going to vote, so they just have to pander to those people who do.

So if we want to force them to pander to us, then we just got to go out and vote. Absolutely. That's why I love what's happening right now. I love the fact that you have a lot of people who are usually disengaged, you know what I'm saying, disinfected, all right? Disaffected voters who they're trying to win over in some way, shape, or form.

Like, they're forced to talk about issues they've never spoken about. Since when his reparations been on the actual goddamn menu. You know what I mean? Since when is black economics been on the menu and the way that it's in right now?

Like they're being forced to talk about things that they've never talked about because they're trying to bring in voters who either fucked with Obama and totally was disgusted by it and didn't show up in 2016 and they're trying to get them people back

are people who've never voted ever before. Because if you're trying to get the largest vote out, voter turnout in American history, you can't just talk to extremes, bro. 100%. In 2016, only 55% of people voting age voted. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yo, do you think that the stimulus and the way that they did it this time

was a trial run for reparations potentially? I'll back up why I think that might be. So I was doing a little research into like the stimulus and like why we did it that way. And I was talking to some guy and he basically explained, I was like, yo, is our money going to be like worthless now because we pumped all this money in? And he goes, now that's not really how money works. Like money is a reflection of goods to buy. So money only decrease in value when there's more money than there are goods, right?

And the problem with what happened with our economy shutting down is people stop making money. So what we're essentially doing is filling the gap in making money so people can spend money. And I go, wait a minute. So spending money is how you keep the economy going? He goes, yeah, it's like, we create money out of nowhere all the time. Like loans from banks come out of nowhere. They only need to keep 10% of their deposits in the bank. The other 90% they could just loan out as not even real money.

So I go, okay, so spending money is good. And he's like, yeah, and I start thinking, wait a minute, what if they sent out these checks, right, to all these people in the country, not just Blackfield, but just the whole country, and they saw what we did with the money, right? And what if they're like, oh, shit, we gave people money and they immediately injected it into the economy and built up the economy, sustained the economy while the whole shit was like screeched to a halt. what if this economic stimulus plan to black people in America literally through cash would actually benefit not only black people but the Puerto Rican businesses they spent their money at, the Mexicans, the white people they spent their money at? Like, yeah, if they're not thinking that, they're nuts. But I think a lot of people when they hear the term, they just fundamentally don't

understand how an economy works, right? It's a pretty tricky thing in terms of like the value of money. The value of money is based on it being spent, not it being hoarded. Right? So I started looking like, yo, what if they do the numbers? And they're like, black people are spending their stimulus in these types of places. And actually, like, it would be really beneficial if we injected that type of money in these economies. Maybe they start, maybe they start organizing something that's like, you know, this could be really good for America, everybody. Yeah. I mean, listen, man, the more people that make. Yes, yes. The more people that got money in their pocket, the more corporations make because people spend fucking money. And you know what American's been money on? Yeah. Joy. Yes.

We spend money on happiness. Why you think people couldn't wait to just get out and go to a restaurant after this pandemic? Muffles won't be in the club so bad. Motherfuckers will go by the ease. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Myfuckers will go by these just to say they got some Tims because they think having this tree on their foot makes them cool. They just want to, people want to feel good.

They want to feel joy. Yeah. America is the joy capital of the fucking world. Yeah. We, is there any other country that says they go joy riding? No. I'm serious. Yeah. We are the joy. We love joy. 95% of what Americans do, black, white, Spanish, Asian, it don't matter is for joy. Yeah. It's happiness purposes. Somebody's listening to this podcast right now because brilliant it is brings them joy. Yeah. Like literally, like we love joy. So yes, the money will go right back into the joy economy. Interesting. Period. Interesting to think about, you know, if there. there's a financial benefit.

Of course it is. Because you know people ain't going to do shit unless it benefits them. I'll give you a perfect example. It's just a hood example. The first and the 15th when I used to sell crack was the shit.

The reason the first and the 15th was the shit because that some people got their checks. Right. Whether it was the welfare checks, whether it was whatever government check, whatever the child's, whatever the fuck it was,

first and 15th, we know people got their checks. The trap would jump because people were trying to find joy in crack. I'm serious. A lot of joy in it. The liquor stores would be booming.

Yeah. Like, because that is what people like. So, yes, it would essentially be the same thing. Interesting. You inject money into the economy. People are going to put the money right back into the economy. So then what happens if this reparations happen? The reparations happens.

And the money gets spent just as fast as our stimulus money was spent. Mm-hmm. And then after that, there's still systemic oppression. There's still cops killing black people. That's why checks aren't good. That's why it shouldn't be a one-time payment. That's what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying? Like, no, we, as you said earlier, got to change the system. Right. So it's like, and we've spoken about this before. A lot of people like, yo, I just just give us a check, cut the check, this at the other. I'm like, I don't think people realize how fast you can spend this type of money. And it will go. And then afterwards,

there will be no sympathy for the black cause and the black struggle in America by anyone because They're, everybody else can be like, yo, we paid y'all. Y'all had your money. They can say we gave y'all financial atonement. So that's why I think it should be like economic equity packages that help to change the whole system, the system of education, you know, the system of economics, you know what I mean? Like it's all of these, like the system of health, you know what I mean?

People need to get free physical health care and free mental health care. I don't think we should pay taxes. You don't think we should have to pay taxes. They're killing us in time of that. And we got to pay the cut. Like, I'm good on the tax. But somebody might argue they might go like, hey, white people also get killed by the cops. Should they not pay taxes?

You don't see it on the news like that? It's not a very hot news story, but it is statistically. I mean, I'm not saying that white people don't get killed. I'm just saying what people see black people, what's the list that goes down? You know what I mean? Right, right, right. You can hear it. Yeah, you can, what?

I don't want the Republicans to get no ideas and invite Taylor to the next town hall. I don't have her sitting in the front row. They put the camera on Taylor. I want pay taxes. And I want free Snapple. Wherever I go, I want free Snapple and I want to pay taxes and that's it. Okay? You're killing us.

Yeah, y'all killing us. But white people get killed by the cops too. It ain't on the news. Yes, that is my thing. Y'all putting us on the news all the time, selling advertisements on the news. Where's our cut from that? Yep. Real talk, you need to get your, what is it called?

You need to own your masters. Like, if the news is selling advertisements and black people are always on the news, where's your cut? Jesus Christ. You know, that's a good-ass point. Like, why does the news not have to pay for having us on it? They should pay us. No. You're selling paper towel ass.

A lot of these outlets should be paying black people because they profit off black pain. I'm not, I'm serious. Like, we press these corporations. We press these companies. we should start pressing a lot of these media outlets. If CNN, the director of CNN is going, yo, find out where they were racist today and what they did to black people today.

We're going to run it at 8 o'clock. Yo, CNN, you're making millions of dollars off of the fuck shit that happens to black people. You might as well pay some money to black people. I agree. They act all woke, but they're really taking advantage of your pain. Give me another one, Taylor. Well, first, you guys want to do another middle.

Oh, you're doing the middle row? Okay, let's do it. Let's go. What else we got? Okay, let's take a break. We was just talking about therapy, man. You know, therapy is something that I love, okay? So I want y'all to know out there.

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at Indochino.com when entering idiots at checkout. That's idiots. Indochino.com. Promal code idiots. Go get your life together right now. All right. Let's get back to the show. Andrew Gillum, you interpret? What's that doing? What are we still doing? Things we won't care about next week? Um, I mean, listen, man, when I watched the Andrew Gillum thing on Tamer Hall, I honestly felt like I was impeding on somebody's healing process. I felt like I was watching something that I should not be watching. I understand that, you know, when you're a public figure, you know, things happen in public and, you know, you have to come out and address them.

Or you don't, I think in Andrews situation, when you're a politician, it's kind of like being on injured reserve and the playoffs are going on. Wait, what is going on with Andrew Gillen? Oh, yeah, Andrew spoke on Tamron Hall and he came out and he said that he is bisexual. Apparently he also ghost wrote for a lot of rappers. What? I was like, what? This guy's so crazy, man.

Andrew's the person I consider a friend. You know what I'm saying? I love his wife, RJ. Yeah, you do know him, right? I know them, you know what I'm saying? So it just feels like I was intruding on a conversation or a healing process that somebody's trying to go through. That's really none of my business.

But what's the deal? There's nothing to heal. Right? He's just like sucking cocks. The healing that needs to happen is the fact that he embarrassed himself and he embarrassed his family. But we knew that when he was found in the hotel room with those guys. You know what I'm saying? Like we don't know what he's been dealing with the past whatever, six months, seven months. You know what I'm saying?

Like I just feel like that's something that he doesn't owe anybody. But here's the thing that's odd. He came out as bye. Yeah. Now, do you believe in that? Clearly. He's got kids. He's married.

clearly. That is the pure definition of being bisexual. Clearly, he's got kids. He's married. He married a woman. He grew to love a woman. But he also likes that, too. My girl doesn't eat dairy.

She's allergic to it, right? And I can eat dairy, right? But since she doesn't, when we go out to eat so we could share each other's food and stuff like that, I just don't eat dairy. True. You know what I mean? if you were truly by,

wouldn't you just not eat it and just go with the thing that you're married to and eating? No, because based off your logic, my girl likes dick. Maybe we should eat dick together. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's just like, maybe y'all need a boyfriend. I'm serious. I'm just, I don't know. And I just, I'm just saying, If you were by, this is a real question I'd like to ask people who are by who identify as buy.

If you are by and it was truly even like you just loved women as much as you love men, the societal pressure and oppression that you would go through for being the gay side of by just seems not worth it. So you might as well just do the guy girl stuff and not do the buy stuff because that's going to cost. So to me, what I see is I see someone who's more gay than they have. are straight and they try to do the straight thing, but it really ain't what they're about. And eventually the damn just breaks and they just need dicks.

Maybe not, though. Maybe it's a 50-50 thing. Like, I mean- Like, I mean- Guys, though. Huh? Versus girls. That's bisexual.

Because the cost of being by- What'd you say? What did you say? What did you say? What did you say? I don't know. I said it depends on the sex, though. You're talking about a male or female?

I'm talking about male. The cost of being gay for a guy is way higher than the cost of being gay for a girl. Is it, though, in 2020? Like, yes. Fuck. I think, I think so, if my girl said she did some gay shit in college, whatever, if I said to my girl that I was sucking on dicks in college. You wouldn't, listen, all jokes aside, if you told me right now, Andrew, that you were

sucking dicks in college, there would be some jokes made, you know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't give a fuck. You wouldn't give a fuck. But if you're my girl and then you found out that me in college, dicks getting sucked on? Well, you don't need to be with her anyway because she's too judgmental. Who is this judgmental? a woman you're with, this woman that does not want to give you the same grace that she wants God to give her. Who is she to judge you? No, I mean, your argument is 100% right, but I think

deep down a girl and Taylor, you could speak for us. Do you think that it would be a little bit more of an issue for you getting over the fact that like the guy that you were dating was sucking on lots of dicks? Why does he have to be sucking on lots of dicks? Why not one? First of you went for one in college. I've never said one. You take one dick you're going to take more than one. That's not true. You might suck one in college and be cool. But if you suck one in college, then it's done. Who makes y'all think? What makes y'all think dicks are like lays potato chips?

I might can eat just one. It's Pringles. It's Pringles? Just once you pop, you can't stop. And to be honest, the Pringles can kind of looks like a big old day. If that's what you like. I'm just, if that's what you like, you would go over to play that game.

I'm starting with, Charlott. All I'm saying is, I think girls are a little bit more judgmental with that. think you're cool with us experimenting the gay. Call it what the fuck it is. There's no double standards here. They are homophobic. You're homophobic. Women are homophobic.

That's not homophobic. You have your little gay friends and you do all the gay shit with them and you think you love them. But if your boyfriend was gay, you would be incredibly homophobic about him. Because then he's not thinking about my pussies to be about someone else's dick. He's imagining your pussy's a but hole. Let's go back to the three second rule. Go back to the three second rule.

Oh, God. You find out your boyfriend was sucking another man's dick. what's the first thing you think in your gut? Be honest. If you said ill, if you thought of a gay word, if you thought that's disgusting, you're homophobic. No, I don't think none that's disgusting. I just don't want my name. Why couldn't you say the first thought?

I'm going to think that he's gay. He's gay because he's gay. I don't have a problem. You got to be gay to be by. You could date a gay man. You could date a by man. That's not true. Why?

You don't have to. Some girls like ball players. Some girls like ball players. Yes. So look, actually. Energy's different in the room, brother. In the room. We got to be in the room.

That's happened in high school. Like, my friend. You always got a friend. Yeah. He's like one of my best friends. Okay. He came out as bisexual. He was new to the school and everything else like that.

Girls found out. Everyone thought he was cute, blah, blah, blah. and then we found out that he liked. Getting smoked. He, you know, like to dick, whatever, like that. But I had a girl still dated him for that, whatever. I personally, but I was, I don't want that, though. As long as you give.

Especially if my dude will be a bottle. Oh, damn it. You know, you are homophobic. That's not homophobic. We didn't say nothing about DMX saying ripping buttholes out of place. Yeah. Your boyfriend's bottles can get ripped out of place. place.

They say nothing about being bottoms and all of that. But seriously, bottom would be harder for you to accept, right? Yes. If your boyfriend was just getting torn apart and then he was coming over to your apartment and then you guys having sex. I just felt like that's weird. But you think when he's hitting it from the back for you and like you think he's like, oh, come on, girl, you can take more than that.

Like, I know. What? You know what? They ain't hurt that bad. Come on. All this is screaming and moaning she's doing. What I did last night? You ain't taking nothing.

I don't care. I think that a woman shouldn't care or a man shouldn't care as long as you give somebody the power to choose. If I tell you that I'm bisexual, then you from that point on, get to make a choice. Yeah, but think about it, though. But I guess, I don't know, I don't think it's homophobic, by the way.

It seems homophobic, but I don't think it's homophobic. Because maybe what you find attractive in a man is that man's how attractive men are to women. Like maybe there's something about that. Why wouldn't you be more attracted that he's attracted to everybody? Because then she got to share that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I guess for me, we like the fact that our girls might be into another girl

because then that could give us a threesome and that's just more pussy for us. So it's like anything that's more pussy. We don't really care that our girl is into another girl. Like you ever watch like girl and girl porn? That shit is a snooze fest. I don't want a threesome. You don't want a threesome. That's how I know you want a threesome.

No, I don't. Because you said some shit, like, take the bread off the table. We're not eating bread. Like, that's how you said that, right? Like, that's the way, like, nobody asked him, right? Like, nobody, nobody said nothing. Charlie May, how would you feel about three-sum? You were just like, I don't want a three-sup, babe, in case you listen to the podcast.

Just in case, I don't. I don't. I don't. No. Not Taylor. No, no, no, no. Don't come off it. Why don't you want one, bro?

I don't have the desire. Because. At the present moment. I'm not saying that might not change in the future. But, I mean, I think things, and by the way, I think shit like that is dope because, like, you're experimenting sexually with the one you love. I think as long as whatever you and your partner are doing, you and your partner are doing, I think it's fine.

What if your girl, what if your wife, right, or my girlfriend, what if they brought to us this idea of having a threesome with another guy. You got to get a divorce, bro. Yo, Dr. Drey, J, Cardi B, pass me the numbers to your goddamn divorce attorneys. No, that's disrespectful. Why would she disrespect me like that? Why? Do you think it's disrespectful?

All of experimentation together, I think it's beautiful. As long as y'all are doing it together and experimenting as a couple. Those standards exist. I know. There's certain things my ego will never be able to fully embrace. I will always have a wounded ego when it comes to that type of stuff. I will never be able to handle that. My ego is a man is too fragile.

Right. To be in there with another man having sex with a woman that I have put so much time, effort, and energy into. Right. You know what I mean? This is my wife and I'm just going to share you with another man. No. Could a man give your wife a massage? Yeah, yeah, that's happened.

I think. Yeah, that's happened. Okay. what if you're getting a couple's massage and the guy's giving her a massage? Been there? And then all of a sudden you hear from her like, mm-hmm.

You get... What's going on over there? You know what I mean? You take your head out of the donut? But I've done that. We've done that. We've done a couple massages. And then a man is massager.

I don't be tripping off that. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. My girl would always order a girl masseuse for her and a girl masseuse for me. The men have stronger hands for a woman, you know what I'm not mad at that?

I don't be, I don't be, I don't be, I'm not, I'm not that insecure, but I'm not going to sit in a room and just watch you dick down my goddamn woman. Yeah, that's crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a little crazy. Come on.

Yeah, that's a lot. I need to meet the man whose ego is that healed and that beautiful that he can deal with that. Yeah, I don't need to. I can't. Me personally, I can't. I think that that's severe wounding. Yes. Like, I think people act like they're whole.

Now, they're the most empty. Yes. If you're fine, getting something out of that, like to me, what that says is you feel so inadequate that the only way that you can feel like you can satisfy your girl is if another guy fucks you. What if the girl isn't like what if the guy isn't fucking the girl though? Well, he just wants his ass ate and you fucking her while he. I'm gonna let my girl eat his ass. I'm just saying. Yo, Taylor. Taylor, yo, yeah, yeah, Taylor. Taylor, honestly. Taylor, honestly. Taylor, honestly, I don't know what you just said, but it made me angry.

If I'm, if, if, let's just say hypothetically, if I was ever doing that with my girl and she ate a man's ass in front of me. I honestly, I don't know what to say. I'm DM and Cardi B right there and say, give me the divorce lawyer's number right fucking now. I'm horrified at the idea. And I'm putting that in the court documents. That got to go in a court document. We had a three-simmie. As far as a divorce.

She ate another man's ass. And say, like, even if everybody would understand it, bro. Even if like your lawyer's like, please don't mention that. That's the first thing. thing. Everybody would understand. Ereconcilable differences. We never know what those are when we hear them. Now we know. I'm

detailing mine. We was doing a threesome that I didn't want to do. She convinced me. I'm just doing it to keep my marriage happy. She ate a motherfucker's ass in front of me. Yep. Come on man. Now that's crazy. Come on, bro. Come on. You went too far. You went too fucking far. The moral of the story is, I pray for Andrew

Gillum. I pray for his family. I want him to get the healing he deserves. Andrew does not owe anybody anything. Now, do you think he has a future in politics again? He might have a brighter future. He just needs to lean into it. But the tricky thing about him is, can you trust the man that was doing that to his family? Well, if you watched the interview on Tamron Hall, his wife.

She knew the whole time? She seemed like she did. I don't know if she said it verbatim, but she did allude to the fact she knew. Then he can be fine and they have an arrangement. Now, all he did, and so technically all he did was, if that's the case, all he do is sneak around. Well, if she knew it wasn't sneaking. I'm just saying the American public, like, and don't get me wrong, we've had plenty of cheating politicians, but if the American public sees that, remember that guy who had like a girl in Argentina,

he was running for president, he was like a center of some shit in South Carolina or North Carolina, remember that guy? I don't remember. This was back in a day. Anyway, but that came out during his campaign and that fucking threw the whole thing off. but Petraeus, General Petraeus had a little side piece that threw the whole thing off. I don't think the American public likes to look at someone

and be like, oh, you lied to the people you love? Why would you not lie to me? But if he had an open relationship with his girl, then that's fine. Well, I have to push back on that a little bit. Go. You lie to the people you love because you love them. It's fear. You don't want to hurt them.

You don't want to ruin your marriage. You don't want this person to leave you. That's why you're sneaking around. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, every man in here at some point, as a lie to the woman they love. Nah, bro.

Come on, dog. You wilding, bro. I don't know what you're talking about, though. I'm seriously. It don't have to be the woman you win now. I'm just saying at some point you never lied to a woman you love. I don't know what you're talking about.

No, white men don't lie, Doc. Wow. Okay. Alice is white. All I'm simply saying is... Sometimes it could be a coincidence. All I'm simply saying is sometimes you do lie to the person that you love.

That doesn't mean you love them any less. loving them to protect them from something. I mean... No. You're not protecting her, because you're going to get hurt, but you're still hurting her. Not if she don't know. She finds whatever comes in the dark...

Not if she don't know. You, Donald Trump said the ill and shit. All the therapy out the window, dog. Like, years of therapy. No, I'm just saying. But if I just get some pussy, she don't find out, that was that. I'm speaking from the perspective of a person

who's been in that situation. I'm not speaking from the person I am now. When Donald Trump said that he didn't tell the American people, he played down coronavirus because he didn't want to put nobody in a panic. Yes. That is essentially what you do to your household. Yes, 100%. You're walking and like, hey, I just finished doing my finger.

I'm saying? Next thing you know, kids ain't eating because the wife is all depressed and sick and talking about divorce and you. How would you do that to your house? Yeah. And first of all, you shouldn't cheat, period. As Patrice O'Neill would say, ladies, cheating is for you. What?

Explain. A guy sneaks out his house in middle of night, fucks a girl behind a dumpster, just so he could get a little pleasure without disrupting his family, without disrupting his wife, without disrupting that happy home, cheating is for you?

That's what Patrice said. I get what you're saying. No. It's joy. It's a joy ride. It's a little joy ride. I'm serious. Sometimes you just got to leave the house

for a little briever. It's joy. The joy thing. is interesting because what do we call the part of the remote that you play video games with? Joystick. There we go. Bro, it's joy. It's joy, man.

It's joy. Yeah. And girls like to ride other joysticks too then. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I don't hear that though. No, we don't. That shit is disgusting.

I don't mind. Listen, that shit is repulsive. Just don't eat their ass, Taylor. No, and don't ride their joystick. You, this is disgusting. The only reason why I asked that question before is because, for me, I never had three-sum, but I would

think, like, there may be some rules, like, maybe the guy can't, maybe the girl can only fuck I don't even suck the dick but can't fuck the guy or something like that. You can't suck another guy's dick? No, no, no, I'm saying if it's worse. This is crazy. I'm saying if there's two, look, if there's two girls.

If you're getting fucked, at least you're getting some pleasure at it. But if you cheat on me and just suck the guy's dick, so you're cheating on me and destroying what we have just to pleasure the guy. You don't even get some pleasure? That's repulsive. Why would you do that to us?

I don't think you got. You suck the man. Dick? I can't believe you suck in dicks. Get, man, if I, get up. You just ain't his ass. Now you're in front of him. Get up, please.

Yeah, take a bath. Please, give us some asking idiots, Taylor. You're just disgusting. I don't know what you're supposed. All right. Who is worse? Oh, sorry, this is by Mage DG01. Who is worse?

The Clippers or Cowboys? Clippers. The reason the clip, well, here's the thing. The clippers are worse because they've never won, period. 50 years, they never even been to the Western Conference finals. Cowboys at least have won five Super Bowls. Now, the delusion that I understand Clippers felt this year was because they really thought they were going to the finals. Ah, they had Cowboys delusion.

Yes, they had Cowboys delusion. It's a delusion that we've had since 1996, but we've had that delusion because we actually won five Super Bowls. It's justified. You're the hot chick that fell off that hasn't realized. That hasn't realized it. And the Clippers this year were the hot chick. They got fake tits. And then they thought that they were that bad bitch, but reality was not.

But I do call them the Los Angeles Cowboys because of the level of delusion. I like scissors. I love Los Angeles. Give us another one, Taylor. By Hallie Ma, underscore A. What books has changed your life? Oh, man. So many.

Messaged to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad. Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley. the Four Agreements by Nam McGarrel Rees The Secret by Rhonda Byrne 48 Laws of Power by Robert Green Seven Spiritual Laws

Success by Deepak Chopra Those ones that changed my life Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. Superfudge. Tells of Fourth Grade nothing. Really, all those Beverly Clearly Judy Blum books

Because when my mom first told me to read things that don't pertain to me Those were the first things that I went at Because the people look totally different than me.

You know what I'm saying? Ramona Clinton and be age eight. So a lot of those books just showed me that it was other lifestyles out there. It was other cultures. It was other experiences. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. What about you? That's a good question. I always loved Huckleberry Finn. I thought it was a cool tale. There's a guy named Dan Brown that's written a lot of like pop science books. I'm sure you guys have heard of it, you know, like angels and demons and the Dianchi Code and stuff like that. But like, I read a bunch of his books and he really taught me like the value of short digestible

chapters. Yes. That's why I'm never writing a long book ever again. Like three, four, five pages. He almost wrote in the same way that like sitcoms have like these different storylines. And I learned so much from that because I was like, wait a minute. So this story's done in three pages. I can step away whenever I want.

But if I want to keep going, it's only two or three or four. or five more pages of this section, and I would find myself there for hours and hours, and it's something I've applied to, like, content I've created since then or any other sort of writing. So I thought that was really cool. I'm never writing another long book again. When I read The Seven Spiritual Laws at Deepak Chopra, it's such a quick, easy, digestible read, and it makes you feel like you're really getting through the book when you've only got to read 10 pages, and then you're on to the next chapter. Yeah. Totally agree. Give us one more. I've got to go pick my daughter up for cheerleading. Oh, they're doing cheerleading still.

Mm-hmm. Black Tar Heel 24 wants to know what is the best advice that you didn't follow early in your careers? The best advice we didn't follow early in our careers. Okay, Charlotte. The best advice I didn't follow? I don't think I understand the question. The best advice I didn't follow? Some great advice you got, but you didn't follow it.

And then as you got older, you're like, oh. Oh, that was all super young for me. It's because truth be told when my dad told me when I was like 14, 15, 16, he used to point out all of the people that weren't doing nothing with their life around Mouse Corner. You know what I'm saying? He would always make it a point to show me the newspaper or the person that just got arrested. And he would emphasize 50 years in prison, like that type of shit. He would emphasize that kind of stuff.

And he would always tell me if I didn't change my lifestyle, I would end up in jail, broke, are dead sitting, I know he said I would end up in jail, dead or broke sitting under the tree. He was like, that's, he's like, that's it for you. If you do X, Y, and Z. So when I started seeing this happen to people, I was like, okay,

maybe he's on to something, but whatever, that ain't going to happen to me. But when it did start happening to me at such an early age, from that point on, I made it a point to always listen to what elders were telling me. I would make it a point to always listen to what people who have

you know, live the life I have yet to live that have more aged in me that have done things I've never done before. I never dismiss their advice. I just take it in. And then when the situation arises for me, whatever it may be, I always have something to pull from, oh, I remember when such and such said this. I remember when oh, when such and such said dead, I don't dismiss any of it. And I'm glad I learned that at such an early age. Yeah, that's interesting. I, the advice I would, maybe as far as comedy goes, like, I would always ask, like, older comics for advice. And they'd go, I just get on stage.

And I thought they were dismissing me. And, you know, because I'd go home and I'd rewrite my set every single night. I was kind of like a maniac when it came to, like, how can I get better? I'd study everything. I'd, like, transcribe everything. Read every book you could possibly read on it. And that's why you'll beat that shit now. I appreciate that.

But I've realized that what they were saying, was basically you're not even comfortable on stage yet. Like once you get that part down, all of the other things are going to make way more sense. It was basically telling you to put you 10,000 hours in. Exactly. So they're like, just get that up, get ready. And I tell that to comics now,

I guess the one bit of advice I would give them is like, like do this for a year and then we'll talk, or two years, whatever it is. But to pay attention to how you're funny around your friends, the people you're most comfortable with because that's usually who you're not putting on a show for as generally who you are. But I think that was it.

It was like sometimes people give you advice in your career and it seems dismissive. Don't dismiss it. Don't dismiss it. Yeah. Yeah. All right, man. True, indeed. We did it.

Thank you guys. Another great episode from Shote Studios here in Brooklyn. As always, you listen to this podcast. You think we're smart. You think we're in. Oh, Sluat the Desus and Mero too, man. Congratulations on season three. Hey.

They got a season three pick up Sluat the Dis and Mero. My guys, I love when I see people. I love when I see people. I love when I've seen the grind up close and personal. And they got another season. And they got a book out too. It's called, what is the name? Let me pull it up real quick.

I should have said that early in the podcast, but it just hit my mind just now. And I shouted out the studio because they shout out their studio on every episode when they do their show. Jesus and Mero, they have a book called God-level knowledge darts, Life Lessons from the Bronx, which I cannot wait to get my motherfucking hands on. So salute to Deeds and Meryl, man.

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