The Brilliant Idiots - Lateness Is The Key (Feat . Ryan Holiday)

Episode Date: October 4, 2019

Andrew is back from Australia, Ryan Holiday drops by to talk the meaning of his latest book "Stillness Is Key", life lessons, hot topics, and much more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That was absolutely insane. That was a, you know, to touch on something we were going to get to later on the podcast. A humbling experience, man. We had literally, we saw that every show while we were out there. We added shows. I mean, it was really, really fucking cool. It was cool to go out there to Australia. Australia is an interesting place.

closest place I've ever been to America in terms of culture like even more American than Canada. Really? Yeah. They are American as fuck

but you're 30 it takes 30 hours to get there. What does it say about me and you know you got my guy Ryan Holiday he's one of my my favorite authors

you know he wrote ego is the enemy obstacle is the way trust me I'm lying I read his daily stoic every day he's got a new book out called Stillness is the key

we're going to get into all of that later and wrong but I want Ryan to jump in on this and Andrew tell me what does it mean about me when you

tell me you went to Australia and the first thing I want to do is ask you, how was the pussy? Ryan? Because I'm living by Carrily through you. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, talk through it. I saw some kangaroos. I'll tell you about that.

Okay. No. So it's not the pouches I want to know about. I'm in a relationship, bro. I'm good. I was good down under. Okay. White men don't cheat.

No, white men don't cheat. do, but I don't I ain't going to set that bar that hot. What did that mean to me, Ryan? I feel like, what did that mean? Uh, it means you're fucked up, man. Really? Damn.

I don't want to know. I imagine the pussy's the same pussy in all places in the world. I think, I don't think pussy changes that much size-wise. Yeah, I mean, only dicks apparently grow when the color changes, but pussies don't get any

different in size. Have you noticed that? your experience? What do you mean? Like, you mean various women? You mean like various women? Yeah, like I don't think Some are a little more shallow than others. You've noticed shallower pussies based on race?

Yes. Really? Race size. Who's got the shallest to you? Probably Caucasian women. Trend lightly. No, probably Caucasian women.

Charlemagne says white women got the tightest pussies. I didn't say tight, that's shallow. When you hit the bottom, you can hit the bottom. easier. Oh, when you hit the speed bag. Wouldn't it have to do with like average height? If there's a race component here, we'd be like, what's the smallest, the people

are typically the smallest, that's where it's going to be the smallest, right? Yeah, but a baby guy. No, it's usually the opposite. It's usually the shorter ones. Got the biggest pussy. Not bigger, but... Proportually speaking.

Shallower. No, deeper. So deeper. But the taller ones and the bigger ones usually have the more shallow. Why? Why would that ever be that way? I don't know. That's been my experience. So you don't think it's tall girls trying to front, they got a small pussy because they know they got a big one. They're like, oh.

How do you do that? Like, you put a little bit in. You're like, oh, it's so far. Ryan, got any idea for your next book? Penetration is positivity. Ryan Holiday. Positive penetration. Penetration is the key.

Insert the key. But you had fun in Australia, though. Dude, Australia was great, man. We met fucking kangaroos and koalas and we had a good time out here. The people are great. That's what I'll say. The experience is. If you go to Australia, you're not going there for, like, the art or the music or anything like that.

That's not the culture that they provide. Whereas, like, you go to France, you're going to go to some fucking museums and shit and see some old paintings. But for Australia, the people themselves are the culture. They have, like, nicknames for everything. They're shortened everything. It's like sunglasses are sunnies. Yeah, they just, and there's like... Avocados.

Yeah, it's crazy. So transgender would get offended over there, is what you're telling me. I have one come to my show. In Australia? Yeah, yeah. She really liked it. They got them, bro. Wow.

For sure, dude. They got them. This one, this one was there. She was from there? Yeah, she listened to brilliant idiots, I think. Wow. Salute to you. Yeah, but it was cool.

And she loved my tranny joke. She was like, I agree with you on that one. I had this train. What did that is short? No, it was short, but I also had this one about how Caitlin Jenner could transition back with a wet wipe. And he was like, or she was like, I'll be honest. I'm one of those trans people that could transition back very quickly.

I need the context of it. a joke. I don't understand. Meaning like she doesn't look that much like a lady. Like if you just like she just took up the makeup. Yeah. Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. But this trans trick had a great sense of humor about it. And she came to the show and it was just, yeah, it was awesome. Don't y'all think that's really quality, man?

What's that? If we all can make jokes on each other, like they're not, they're not harmful. They're not, we're not trying to offend. We just fucking with each other. Like, I make white jokes to show. If you make black jokes to me, we make jokes to our gay friends, gay friends make jokes back to us. Like, why can't we do that? Why can't you point?

Dwayne. I actually just pointed in the middle. There's a neutral area right there. That's the gay area. I just pointed at that neutral area. The gay areas between Dwayne and Alex? Don't you think that's the key to getting to true equality? Well, so that's the problem is we, the way we've taken it now to mean is that we think

that saying something offensive is something that is done to you, right? So it's like, you say something. and you can perpetrate an offense on me. Now, people can certainly say shitty things, but the reality is it takes two to be offended, right? Because, so Epicetus, one of the Stofeasers, he goes, like, whenever you're offended, you have to accept that you're complicit in the offense, right? Because think about it, it's like, you can say something and then I can decide that you're joking,

or I can decide, like, he is trying to attack me as a person, and I have been harmed by this. So society, what we, it's a weird. thing we do to people that we think are like sort of a minority or an unprovvileged group is we say this person is incapable of not being a victim

that they are in hate like that they are incapable of deciding to laugh at like it's kind of certainly trans people or or actually probably just like white people with nothing to do they're like she shouldn't have laughed at your job like they want to take the

sovereignty of that trans person away from, that's why I thought the Comedy Central Rose with Caitlin Jenner on it was awesome. She was, they were like you're a true equal, you got up here just like everyone else, got your balls busted, no pun intended, and like, and that's

what life is. That was a good one. It was a good one, Ryan, okay? Was you up there? I really feel like that's the key to true equality because you think about the things that bring people together. What brings people together? Humor. Humor. Food. Food. music. Music. That's it.

In drugs. Okay. Those are the things that bring people to get to their. Not all music. And so what does it say now? That's true. Not in all music. Not you're right. Not all music. I was at the New York Philharmonic last night. Have you been to the New York Philharmonic? No. You haven't been there? It's just like that orchestra. Have you been to it? This is where Jews go before they die. I think they take one last step.

This is their last experience. Everybody there was 99 years old and Jewish. and I didn't see anybody that wasn't white or Asian. White or Asian, that's nobody else. Asians were half of the ones that were playing the instruments. Unbelievable amount of Asians playing the instruments. And it was what, now, listen, maybe I'm not cultured. I don't know. Asians are booming in the instruments nowadays.

Oh, they've been booming. No, for real, Asians are doing opera. They're fucking with the keyboards now. Am I getting this right? Strings. The strings, violin, bro. Chalo. They big with opera.

But I'm continuing. They love it. And, dude, it's like one long song, bro. It's one long song with like an intermission.

And then it feels like you're just listening to the same song. What were you doing there? I took my girl. You know, it was like, you got to do

dress up shit. But isn't weird now music-wise, like we're also going like certain people aren't allowed to make different, like you can't do that because that's cultural appropriation

or you can't do this because... Are Asians allowed to make? Well, that's what's so funny is we can go, of course Asian people can perform like white

music, but like if I was to, if someone else was to go the other way, that's not okay. Good question. I mean, you know, should we get these Asians out of this Phil Harmonic? How does Phil Harmonic feel about it? I don't even know. What is Philharmonica? I don't know. Yeah, they're stealing our culture.

They're stealing our fucking culture, man. You know what's so interesting about that? Everybody gets mad at cultural appropriation. Like, people try to make it like it's just a hip-hop thing. Yeah. But no, just go back to earlier this year when Little Knives X came on the scene with that goddamn damn old town road. Country people was like fuck no. Which country people?

They was like, this ain't country. Go to those country festivals. They were listening to it. He eventually won him over. But initially... At first they were a little like, what is this? I don't buy that. They wouldn't even label it country music. They wouldn't put it on the country charts. But that's the chart people. You'd think all the people boosting those streams making it number one didn't like it. They kept playing it over

and over again. Billy Ray. That's what did. That's what did it. No, it was the first... No, Billy Ray. That's why Billy Ray did it. Billy Ray did it to say fuck them. But they fucked you country motherfuckers. Number 1 before Billy Ray? No, I wasn't.

No, wasn't. What was it charting at before Billy Ray? Look, look that up. It was moving. It was a big record. Because he got the get up or whatever. You know that song? No.

Oh, that's another black country hit. What is it? Black country banger, bro. Hold on me get my phone out. The get up? Intuition. What I think is it's like, look, like, we don't need a term cultural appropriation. It's either, it either sucks or it's good.

Like, we already have a term. It's bad art, right? Yes. It's either done well. like in Lil Nas's case and it's good or it sucks and that's why it's offensive, not because like white people shouldn't do it. Do you know what I think people go like, oh Elvis, you know, Elvis stole like, you know, music from black people.

It's like Elvis was also paying a 90% marginal tax spray. Like that's what taxes were back then. It's like it evened out, man. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. People just like complained of. That's what taxes were back then.

What do you mean? Tax rates in the 50s, 60s and 70s was like 90% over like a certain amount. Like the idea that like Elvis was just like taking his all for himself. It's like what are you talking about? You think he was not like to live in Memphis? That's the only place he could afford. But was it going to black communities? Yeah, a little bit.

No, it wasn't right. I mean when you divvy up the taxes, right? It's like the whole point of that is for wealth to parity. To help the point is a friend of. Well, I'm saying it wasn't like raping the earth of natural resources that like nobody got but him. You know? Yeah. That's successful.

It was already a hot 100 song in the world. Yeah, yeah, it was booming. But number one was Billy Ray. What you know about this, bro? Have I heard that? Grab your love ones, guys. I'll grab your love partner. That's progressive.

That's progressive. Alex Dwayne. You know why country slaps, though? Because country got soul and country got stories. Yeah. As long as you got soul and stories, man, you can like transcend through mad motherfucking demographics. But I also think the similarity between country and rap is like it's all,

these are all personas anyway. Now these people live on farms. They don't drive. They're like, it's talking about preaching, preacher daughters and like, it's like you didn't do any of this stuff. It's wrestling, bro.

Yeah. Let it be wrestling. Just like rap is. 100%. I don't know, bro. You go to Nashville. This shit look very stereotypical in some places. That's what I mean.

But that's what I mean. It's a character. Nashville is like Hollywood for for country. Yeah. It is. You know, fake lips, fake tits, the whole thing. I love Nashville, by the way. Amazing But it's not like preacher's daughter like you're trying to think. It is like, it is Hollywood. No, Sunset Boulevard. But I agree with you about the cultural appropriation thing. It's like, like, like, what do we think about, okay, what do you think about that Trudeau when he put on the black face a million times? So that's not cultural appropriation. It's just stupid and dumb. You know, like, why are you dressing up like a, why are you, like, what you're saying is that you think black people look like this and they don't.

Well, they do look more like that than his skin. Sure. But what I'm saying is like, why are you saying that what they look like? Like, to me, blackface is offensive for a couple reasons. And you should say what it's really offensive. But it's offensive because, one, historical implications. And you're just being, you're, you don't actually know what you're doing. You're just being ignorant of that.

And then the other thing is that it's cartoonishly presenting these traits. Which is what a colloing costume is, right? Sort of. It goes to your point about bad art. Yeah, to me, it's bad. Blackface is bad art. It's whack. It has a historical implication, right?

Which is there were a time where they didn't allow black people to be in these movie roles and they had white actors put blackface on them and then even satirized them more and made them these cartoonists. It wasn't even that they didn't allow them. It was the fact that they looked at black people with such disgust. They would rather pretend to be one than have one actually in a play or something. And I think you're also saying that like, okay, if I want to be Jay-Z for Halloween, that Jay-Z's primary characteristic is his skis.

skin. Like if you were going to be Bruce Spring. If you were going to be, no, no, it's not. Like, if you're going to be Bruce Springsteen for Halloween, why would you need to make your skin white? Bruce Springsteen is the bandana and the guitar and the beard and the hair. Like, you can get the essence of it.

Yeah. I think that's the problem is we're going like, the costumes are really mostly in bad taste because you're saying the essence of the person is their skin color. No, but it's a part of it. I love this conversation. It's close to Halloween. Let's get into it.

It's like if you're going to dress up as the Hulk, you're going to be green. Look, here's a, I guess what I'm trying to take. The Hulk skin matters more to the, if you're playing the Hulk, the green skin actually matters more than playing a black person. Right. Because you can't put on some short ripped jeans and no shirt and not put the greens on. That's it. You know what I'm saying? He looks like you're a fucking burning man.

Who was he trying to be? I don't know, Jafar or something. He was trying to. No, he wasn't trying to be black. He was trying to be fucking. He had a bunch of different ones. He did black one where he was this Jamaican singer and he like performed it as...

Oh, I didn't see that. I mean, my biggest issue with him is not necessarily that he did it is that he fronted to be this like woke guy for this whole time, knowing full well that he was... Hypocrisy is the problem. You were being hypersensitive and attacking other people for things that probably came from a less worse place than when you... Nothing wrong with that unless if you acknowledge it.

If you acknowledge that you used to do this fucked up shit, that's Malcolm X, right? Yeah, so have the empathy for those people who did. as well, listen, you don't know that you're going to regret this 10 years from now. So let me just talk to you. And it's like, but he didn't say that. He's like, how could you? What are we going to do?

I don't even want to say that what it was, I don't want to say he tried to remove like the word male or man from certain job positions. Like he was on this fake book. Not police man. It's a police person. Not fire, man. It's a fire person. All this stupid fucking shit.

But it's an interesting thing because if you remove the historical implication are some, you know, face is okay? Like black face you can't do because there was that history of oppression. But Brownface, when he's the Arab dude, like, could you do brown face? There's no history of not letting brown people into the movies and putting on brown face. If blackface is the only reason why we can't do black face because of the historical implication, can you do brown face? I've only seen it accepted once in my lifetime. And I was when Robert Downey Jr. did Tropic Thunder. But by the way, I didn't know he was playing a black person. But that's black face. I'm saying brown. Like if you were to, could you do Latin face?

Where you become- Like, what there needs to be, could you do J-Lo face? What there needs to be, like, what you're talking about is nuance. Like, when is it okay? When is it not okay? And the problem is culturally we've gone like, if you do this, you deserve to die and you should be run out of society. Like, the problem is we just have no ability to have nuance.

And what we've really done is we've weaponized it. So it's like, it's a mechanism for taking people down who we haven't been able to get rid of by like other means. I agree with you. Let me ask you this. At this point, though, like if you do something like that right now, this Halloween, you know what the reaction is going to be, you know what the backlash is going to be, don't you kind of deserve what you get? Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's like, it's almost not the, it's not the fact that you're doing this thing that might be racist. It's like, where have you been? Right. You know what I mean? Like, how out of touch are you that you don't get that we're like, hey, this is not, it's like, it's almost for me, it's just the judgment of it. Like, you just have general bad judgment that manifests of us. But then aren't you succumbing to the outrage?

You know, look, I understand the blackface thing, and I can accept the historical implication. But not every race has gone through it. Like, for example, if you look back in like Shakespearean times, did they allow women to play the roles of women? No, it was dudes. It was dudes that played the roles of women. Yeah.

Right? Wait a minute. That sounds to me like the first transgender. We don't know if they were, we don't know. Romeo and Jules. That's what I'm saying. The coolio. Romeo.

I'm just saying, we don't know if they were actually just pretending to be women. are they identified as women. Yeah. They were pretending. But it was because they didn't let women act. They refused to allow women to act, right? Just how they refused to allow black people to act. Right.

And so it's wrong to put that face on. Should it be wrong for a guy to dress up as a girl in a Halloween costume? Because of what women endured during Shakespearean times in the acting world. It's the same exact logic, right? It's like, who cares? I don't give a fuck. No, no. I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying to people. It's like, why are you so... If a nine-year-old kid sees Michael Jordan and that's his hero, or Kobe Bryant or Kyrie Irving, and he's like, I want a fro and I want dark skin just like him. There's no racism in that. I don't think there's racism, but I think that's where the parent goes like, hey, like you really like Michael Jordan,

but what you should be seeing in Michael Jordan is not primary... We should be teaching a colorblindness in the sense of like Michael Jordan's defining characteristic is not his blackness. It's... His erinness. By the way. Because he's black, that's just part of what he looks like, just like his hair. But these are just aspects.

That's it. All you got to do is get a Bulls uniform, some Jordans and a ballhead fucking cap. We should be primarily teaching that, like, look, the skin color. That's, to me, the big problem I have with this. It's like, I thought race was supposed to be coming less important, but I feel like we're just talking about it all the time. I feel like all of this shit, racism, sexism, homophobia. Somebody breaks into your house and the cops are like describe them. Are you going to be like tall, brown eyes?

What else do you know about them? You know, you had hair. What else? That was pretty much it because I don't really see anything. I don't see anything. I don't see color. I don't see color. I don't know.

But what I just mean is like we now talk about how your blackness is your is somehow like the main thing about you. But to me it's like bored and I'm not just like, oh, I don't see color. To me, it's like one of the least important things about you, just in the sense that, like, whatever my height is, is probably, like, 30 on the things that are important. But if you were 7-6, though. You know what I'm saying?

Sure, sure, sure. But that would, if I was 7-6, that would probably have changed the trajectory of my life in a bunch of ways that might make it more part of a way. Yeah, it'd be people with Ryan Holiday jerseys on this fucking Halloween. I actually do have to roll this side. My guy. Brian, thank you, man.

Appreciate you. My issue isn't whether it's like, my issue isn't whether we should be aware or shouldn't be aware of it. That's not it. Of course we should be aware. We should be sensitive. The issue is, is it hateful? And I don't think in all times it's hateful. I think if you do it now is hateful.

And I'll tell you why because, like, I just, you have to be aware. You have to know the temperature. Like, if you know people are going to be offended by this shit, there's no real reason to do it. It's like it's ego when we talk about Napoleon, right? Like if there's an actual benefit to what you're doing. Like, can you name a single blackface movie? Black, no, I didn't grow up in that time. Hold on one second.

You're right. You're right. You have to. I didn't grow up in that time. Can you name a single black face movie? So it's like we have all these people that are being offended on behalf of a time in cinema where they don't even know a fucking movie or kidney or has even seen a movie. But is this sort of context?

It's the same reason you don't walk around with a swastika on your shirt. You know what I'm saying? But I'm American. We fought against them. Still. But why would I walk around with a swastika on my shirt if we fought war against them? If people in America that rock swastaskaskas all the time. Well, they should go back to fucking Germany.

Plenty white nationalists and white supremacists used the swastika as their motherfucking logo. What I don't understand is how you can be proud to be an American or whatever that bullshit they front is and wear the logo of the country that we went to war with. You're a traitor in my opinion. It's like, are you a Decepticon? Are you an Autobot? Pick the side, fam. You can't front, like your Autobot, you're walking around with the Deceptagon showing their shoulder. Because they're fucking idiots, these people.

We're dealing with people who are hypocritical idiots. Clearly, they hate Jewish people more than they love America. Right? Because if you loved America, you wouldn't fuck with it at all. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we ran in there and we bodied motherfuckers. Yeah.

Same thing with the Confederate flag. That's the loser flag, bro. You are a traitor. If you're wearing a flag, you're a traitor. As simple as that. And I can't fuck with you because you're a trade. Stop it. It was our history.

No, it wasn't your history. They invented the flag after your history in the South existed. That's why I never understood. It's a big bullshit. In Charleston, South Carolina, where I'm born, when they took the flag down off the State House lawn in Columbia, people fought for that flag so fucking much. Like, they was out there wanting to fight because they were taking this flag down. I'm like, bro, Dillon Roof just killed nine people, you know what I'm saying?

It was praising this flag. And it's the flag of the loser. Dude, it's the loser. It's the one that was anti-America, was going against America. We have fought a war to reunite the union or the nation, if you will. It's just so stupid. But that's the thing that people don't see. And then they've been fed this propaganda that that flag represents their southern culture.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But southern culture existed way before the secession of the South. Yeah. I mean, it's a rhetorical question. Of course it existed. If the South was there, yeah, they had a culture. So this is a flag that was made up to have these kind of meetings. So we don't, look, I don't want to get too into the flag thing.

But I just find the cultural appropriation, not the cultural proportion, the blackface and kind of cultural appropriation thing always interesting. I need a, the better argument for blackface would be, why would you want to do it? That's my question. That's what I wanted to. Like, why would you want to do it? Because that's what the character looks like. No, there's something else going on. Is there if you're nine?

Well, like for Trudeau. I'm using Trudeau as an example. He was at an Aladdin theme party. But here's the thing. You could maybe make an argument to me that you might, I don't want to say stumble into doing blackface, but do blackface once and maybe not realize the full implications. I wouldn't believe it.

But you could make that argument to me. When you've done it three times that we know of, and this is something that will be a conversation later in the show, to me that represents a compulsion. Why is this guy I wanted to dress up in blackface so much? committed to playing a character, just like the character he's playing right now, this phony, woke bullshit. Well, yeah.

He is a complete fraud. Why anybody takes that guy seriously is besides myself. Like, if you play black, if you dress his black pants in this year, right? You don't have to wear black face. Get the mask. You know what I'm saying? It's just not necessary to the costume. Even if you want to play a basketball player, you got the whole uniform, you got the

shoes. I know exactly who the fuck you are. Wear the warmups. Wear the warmups. Cover as much of your skin as possible if you want. I am going this year as I'm wearing an Avengers endgame quantum suit. Right. There was no black people other than fucking War Machine who went back.

I don't want to be War Machine. So who are you going to be? Nobody. I'm just going to be an Avenger that had on a quantum suit. I'm not wearing a mask on nothing. I just have one a quantum suit. You know what that is when you see it. They went back in time to get the gathering of infinity stones.

I don't know if that's going to hit, bro. You came through last year with the Iron Man. But you committed. Yeah, before that I was Black Panther. You know what I'm saying? But even with Iron Man, I didn't put white skin. That's fucking Iron Man. Yeah, but you had the face on.

Matter of fact, when you took the thing off, I was like, are you a black guy that stole Iron Man suit? But no, that happened before you. Wait, what? I mean, War Machine. War Machine wears the Iron Man suit. Oh, I thought he gave it to him. Well, he made it.

Oh, yeah, nobody stole it. You're right. Somebody had to steal the suit before. But either way, I'm going as an Avenger. There was the only Black Avenger that went back was Wall Machine. Right. I'm not... You don't want to be a war machine.

No! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just, that's the quantum, so you're going to see it? Oh, that's the quantum suit. That's the two that they went back in time, but to get the infinity stones. You know what that is. It's the number one movie of all time. Right.

That's it. Yeah. I have to do anything else. Yeah. I guess, I don't know. I guess people are going to be offended. I guess, I guess some of the things we got to recognize is like, I always think this about myself.

Like, what am I told to be offended by? Like, how many of these decisions am I making myself? Yeah. And how many these decisions are being made for me. you know, like, like, when people were calling, like, what you guys would call like white people mayonnaise for a while. And, like, there'd be all these white people on Twitter getting so upset. Like, how can you call those mayonnaise?

And I'm like, hold on. Is that going to bully me into feeling like I should feel away about that? Or is this just a joke? And we should all, and we should all just laugh at these jokes. You know what's so funny about the mayonnaise thing? And maybe this is why people do blackface. The only reason I constantly keep saying mayonnaise is because I know it makes people mad. And to me, it's the most redact.

ridiculous shit. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Like it's not a, it's some shit I made up. That's not even a slur. Yeah. You can't say that's a racial slur. Yeah. It's fucking man-Aid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So the fact that debt bothers you so much, I'm not stopping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, if you're mad at debt, and by the way, maybe that's this... I don't know. It doesn't bother me personally. I know. It doesn't bother me personally, because in high school, I was the same way. If I said something to you, I was so upset. Yo, we used to call the guy Peter Pan. Why?

Who knows? Oh, because when we used to say Peter Pan is dead, he would get mad. And by the way, he was autistic or something. He had to like a little something, so it was wrong to do that. But still, it was funny because we couldn't believe that saying Peter Pan is dead would enrage this person so much. I just thought of something right now, and this could be crazy. But maybe the reason we have so many school shootings now.

Hold on. Hold on. I think I'm on to something. Maybe the reason we have so many school shootings now, is that they separated the autistic kids, right? So now we're like bullying the normal kids that can go get a gun. But when the autistic kids were in our class, we would just kind of make fun of them, and they were autistic, so they didn't really learn all of it

or even really care. By autistic, we mean mentally challenged. Whatever they were. Yeah, retarded. The R word. You can't say that anymore, but back in our day, they were called the retarded kids. Yeah, capital R.

That was the name, mentally retarded. Yeah, so the retards. We would make fun of them, right? He just came back from Oscar. That's why he's shortened and everything. Don't be offended. Continue. And we'd make fun of them.

Now the kids that were like nerds, but they were normal enough to get a gun, they wouldn't get the onslaught of jokes, so they weren't feeling bullied enough to go get the guns and then go kill people. And then the tardies, their parents would never let them close to a gun so they'd never have it in the first place.

Maybe that's the reason why we had no school shootings. We need to bring back the retards into the regular class, right? So we can make fun of them, so they'll be the post. I don't know what that's called. They were never in the regular class, if you think that they were,

if you were in the class with them and you think that was regular, you were in the class too, for a party? They weren't in the regular class. And the reason I know that because I failed one of those standardized tests one time and I had to be in the class with them.

They put you in it. That was torture because I was the guy teasing them and then like, oh, see, that was karma for real, for real. Did they Voltron? I got choked out by one, sleut to fish. But can they communicate with each other? Like whales do? like the kikikikik they use those kind of like sounds and shit?

I don't know. Did you notice them having some sort of communication outside of English? No, I tell you one thing. I remember one time being in the class, I was in the trailer. And the same dude, Peter Pan. I'm teasing. I'm Peter Pan is there. And we whispered it.

And we just sitting there right and he goes crazy. So the teacher's like, yo, what's up, man? What's wrong with you? And then he goes, what's the problem? They won't let me alone. And she goes, who? And I didn't even know he knows my name. he goes, Larry McHalvey, the big nose idiot.

I didn't even know he was paying attention like that. He said my whole name, Larry McCelby, the big nose idiot. I was like, what the fuck? So, I don't even know what the fuck. Why we even talked about that distance? What were we talking about? I think that's the way you stopped school shooting. Oh, I was in the class.

Yeah. I don't know. I think that it's just trauma, bro. I think that when you see these guys that grab these guns and they go shoot up people, It's just hurt people, hurting people, bro. Yeah, but maybe the autistic kids and the retards can handle more trauma than us weak, just normal folks. I don't believe that. I got choked out by a mentally retarded kid in high school.

I told y'all about that when I used to tease him every day and used to tease him at the Kingdom Hall with me. And he never used to say a word. Yeah, he don't care. And then one day I'll walk by and let one of those jokes fly. And the next thing I know, sleep a hold. That's it. That's it. Sleep a hold.

What was the shit? What's that shit called? Tap out. So you got, you felt that sort of story. Yeah, that breakthrough, that light. You know what I'm saying? I was almost dead until he let me go. Another dude named Fish.

Fish grabbed me one day and just, there was the fence around the track and it was like about five and a half feet tall, maybe six. He picked me up and put me on top of that fence. Yes. And just held me there for a while. And he just, the fish shit was just sticking me just enough. He was just like pulling you down a little bit. A little bit.

Just letting me know I can pull you through this whole shit, Mortal Kombat style. So they are aware. They're like elephants. bro. What do you mean? You ever see like the people they're in Thailand, they're riding the elephants

and every once in a while some Instagram chick is taking a picture on an elephant and every once in a while an elephant will let her know hey, I'm letting you take this pick and he throws her off of him, right?

That's them. They're like, hey, we're letting you be in our class. We're letting you make these jokes. But careful because if I have to go full elephant, I can stampede your ass in a heartbeat. By the way, all jokes aside,

where are they? Who? They're mentally retarded kids. They're having the fucking time of their life, bro. Are they still in school? Serious question. I'm not even joking. I want to know.

Get on SoundCloud. Let me know. Are they still in school? Because back in my day, it was the trailer, the short trailers in the back. Right. The short buses they used to be on. They used to eat lunch before everybody else. Does that still happen?

Not sure. Chris, do you know where they are? No answers. I want to know. I don't know. Listen, we don't know. And anybody who's offended by this right now, you don't know. So shut the fuck up.

Yes. We're not trying to be offensive. We're having a conversation. We're trying to learn about these people and where they go in society. Who takes care of them? Yes, because by the way, when I was in school, they couldn't even get out of school until they were 21. Is that right? Yeah, they used to keep them in high school until they were 21 years old.

I thought you're at 18. You're a legal adult. I don't know. Maybe that was a rumor. I thought they kept them until they were 21 years old. And then they let them let them out. They freed them. Yeah.

Where are they? I don't know. I'm not exactly sure. I would love to talk to somebody who is like. a functioning member of society now, but in school, they were in the mentally retarded classes. Class. Yes.

You know what else they had back in the day? I remember the EH classes. EH was emotionally handicapped, which I think is so interesting why it's so hard to get SEL in schools now, social and emotional learning, when back in the day they had emotional, they would label people emotionally handicapped.

You know what I'm saying? So clearly they had people in the, schools that were trying to teach them to deal with their emotion. So why is it so hard to get SEL passed in schools now? I didn't know that it was hard to get it passed. Yeah, it is. I mean, they don't even really have it. So you're saying there's no program in this school.

We had what was called a guidance counselor, and if you were going through trouble at home or some shit. Trash. Really? No disrespect to the guidance counselors out there. Maybe y'all are better now. When I was in school, they did nothing. You know how I know they didn't do nothing?

I can't even remember none of my guidance counselor's names. And did they guide you, though? Did you have some of them? Clearly not. They had no impact on my life whatsoever. If you asked me any grade from elementary school to middle school to high school, I can name different teachers, you know, even principals who had an impact on my life, guidance counselors did nothing for me.

Maybe you didn't need it. Maybe you were, maybe you had good emotional health. Or maybe you were presenting as if you did, but you were compartmentalizing it and keeping it all in. No, back then I was very much so, I was very much so attention. invention seeker. Right. And those people often don't go to the guidance counselor. Who goes to the guidance counselor are the people who are like quiet by themselves.

No friends. They smell bad. I think the guidance counselor is basically like, yo, is something fucked up happening at home? Do you want to talk about it? Yeah. We have to make sure that you're eating. And like at least back where I was from, it was like you got to have some emotional issues. Or there's like a language barrier.

A lot of like kids who immigrated to, to the states. And like didn't really speak English that well. The guidance counselor would like make sure they're understanding what homework they had to do. et cetera. Yeah, I don't listen. No disrespect to the guidance counsel. I'm just saying, I don't know what the fuck y'all do.

Maybe y'all do something better now. But back then, y'all ain't got me nowhere. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I didn't get none of that counseling. Yeah. It was all discipline. It was paddling from the principal,

ISS. You got hit? What? Dude, how old are you? Mr. Barnes. Mr. Barnett. Two of the most notorious paddlers ever in Berkeley High School history. Now, when they're hitting you from the back, right?

I don't like how you said that. I mean, I got your Jehovah's witness right here. So when they're paddling you from the back, right? Do they ever catch your ball sack or do you pull that up? No, I didn't have a big, long, my balls had definitely started to hang more as I've gotten older.

They weren't hanging like that back there. Really? No, no, not, not at all. Every day was a cold day for me. Interesting. Yeah, they were tight up, tight. Tight. And then you would hold them up so that they wouldn't get caught with the battle.

I didn't even think about it. Now, when you're getting hit with this paddle, right? Are you making sounds? Are you trying to, like, thug it out? I can break down the whole strategy for you. I'm fascinated by this. Mr. Barnett was, no, Mr. Barnes was black. Okay.

Mr. Barnes was black. Well, Mr. Barnes had a defective hand. Like, his hand was nubby. So one of his hands wasn't a fully formed hand. It was like a nub. And would he put that on the children ever? No. Not that I remember, but he used to paddle with the other hand.

Right. You know, and Mr. Barnett, big boss hog-looking white man. Like, Duke's a hazard, like sturdy. You know what I'm saying? He definitely was an offensive lineman. Yeah, man. Southern white. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he had a big, thick paddle, and he cut holes in it. So the air could go. Oh, wow. He had an aerodynamic paddle. So this motherfucker. was a psychopath. He's strategic, right? He really wanted it.

We quickly learned. You don't want to get paddled by Mr. Barnett. So what do you do when you get in trouble? Please don't take me to Mr. Barnes. Please, whatever you do, don't take me to Mr. Barnes.

Please don't take me to Mr. Barnes. Please don't take me to Mr. Barnes. Going to Mr. Barnes. Oh, you manipulated that. You get into paddling you want. Genius. Mr. Barnes paddle was so fucking weak. Limp wrist.

Oh, my. My God. Bitch-ass Barnes, huh? I'm not calling bitch-ax because I don't know if he's still alive and I don't, I still got to go to Moss Corner. I don't know his family. But I don't know if he's a bitch-ass. But Mr. Barnett?

I mean, he'd be kids for a living, but sure. That was the discipline. Wouldn't his wrist be stronger because it's the only hand he could use? It wasn't. It wasn't. I think he'd have a powerful risk. It wasn't. I'm telling you, Mr. Barnett was the guy.

That's my wife. What's up, baby? I love how he picks up when his wife calls. All right. Mr. Barnett was the guy, man. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Mr. Barnett was the guy that would hurt you. Mr. Barnes is the person with the light paddle.

I don't even remember how we got on this subject. Okay, so you're saying you manipulate them in getting Mr. Barnes to paddle you because you're trying to stay away from Mr. Barnett. Yes. You let him paddle you with the limp wrist. Yes. Oh, we were talking about discipline because we didn't have the guidance counselors. But yes, those were the two that used to discipline me.

And we had a strategy. We would act like Mr. Barnes hurt so bad. We would go to Mr. Barnes. And Mr. Barnett was actually the motherfucker that was bringing the funk with that goddamn paddle. Really? Absolutely. 100%. And you think on some level

they enjoy doing this disciplinary act? Hmm. If a man cuts holes in a paddle because he wants that paddle, he wants the air to go through that shit and hit you. Absolutely.

And you got to think about how we are as adults, right? You don't think they sat around and had a couple beers and laughed at people that would, yo, we had, yo,

I've seen Mr. Barnett hit people like literally be on this side of the room and God would jump across the desk. You know what I'm saying? Like literally. in front of other students? That was the torture. Wait a minute.

The torture was sitting there waiting like, holy shit. You know what I'm saying? And you had to try to put the strategy with that too. Do you want to be first? You want to be when he's tired. Yeah, you want to be what he's dying. If it's three or four of us in there, I want to be fucking four. You know what I'm saying?

It had to be a strategy somewhere in that shit, right? And then you get three paddles or one, depending on the offense. So, okay, this is crazy. So that one might be the whammy. So you're like, I'd rather the three because he's going to make it... You don't know. He's going to divide that power. Yeah.

It's a tough thing to deal with, bro. I think about that now and I think about the trauma that shit caused, bro. I used to see some fucked up shit when I was a kid. Like, even I had a teacher named Miss Freeman, fourth grade. She used to fuck us up in class. Like, literally fuck us up. Like, she would grab kids, drag them across their desk, like, shake kids. Like, she was an abusive-ass motherfucker-teacher.

And I don't think none of us knew any better. I really don't. Would your parents be okay if they knew that there was a teacher beating you? I don't think so. And I've seen her do some foul shit. I remember it was- How would you react? We just used to watch.

It was almost like one of those things like you just keep your head down. No, how would you react if you found out that there's a teacher doing this to one of your dogs? I'm going to do that to the teacher. And if there's a woman a teacher, my wife going to handle that. You're going to get fucked up and you're going to jail. Isn't that crazy? I have no problem with that whatsoever. Like, there's certain things that I have no problem going to jail over.

There's certain things I have no problem losing some shit over. That's one of them. So this is an interesting discussion. There was a time in our lives where beating someone else's kid was not only acceptable, was considered the right thing to do. It was part of, I don't know if you would call it a curriculum, but it was definitely a, it was a part of the school. The disciplinary act in school.

Boom, there you go. That's the word for it. We've gone past that, right? We've realized that there was an error in our ways, and that's not what you're supposed to do to kids, right? Sure. We acknowledged that at the time it was okay. Yeah. And at the time, it was the thing to do.

Parents would go in and be like, oh, I'm sorry, my kid was such a pain in the ass. I'm sorry, you had to beat them. That was back in the day when they really took that, it takes a village shit serious. Right? But what's interesting is, now we realize it's bad. Are we going to go back and cancel Mr. Barnes and Mr. Barnett and Mrs. Fields?

Like, do we go back to- Ms. Freeman should have been canceled. Because her, it wasn't in context. Mr. Barnes, Mr. Barnett, it was in context. Okay. You get in trouble. Okay. Go to their office.

You get a paddling. You know what I'm saying? And if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, I think the parents had to actually sign something that says it's okay for you to paddle my kids. Miss Freeman, the shit she was doing in class, no way. And when I think about that shit, I went, anybody who had Ms. Freeman, Whitefield Elementary School, fourth grade teacher,

I would love to know if y'all remember her fucking kids up. I would love to know that. You went to Whitesville Elementary School? Whitefield Elementary School. And after that, did you go to Mayanay's Middle School and Hellman's High School? Whitefield Elementary School. Gillyard Roe, baby. So I guess what I'm trying to say is we acknowledge that behavior changes over time.

Why is it so fucking difficult for that to be acknowledged on Twitter? Like, I mean... Yes. Boom. I just don't understand it. I don't understand that either, bro. And all of us, like, all of us had parents that were hit at school. My parents were hit at school.

You were probably hit at school. I was definitely not hit at school. No? Parents, though? 100%. So it's like, we know that this shit changes. And here's what's even crazier. It changes at a different pace in different places.

In New York or Philadelphia, they said, hey, stop being kids at school way earlier than in Monk's Corner, South Carolina. You know what, man? I agree with you, and I wonder this. Has culture really shifted? There's a new culture called social media that makes us think everything has shifted. Meaning like... I think I know where you're going. Meaning like, we have conversations all the time amongst each other.

and we use certain language and certain words and we laugh and we joke. And it's never a problem until we motherfucking presented to somebody else. And then somebody else says, oh, that's wrong. That's fucked up. We don't do that no more.

I remember vividly when we was doing Uncommon sense and I tweeted out something about the word, female. I was just like, yo, you females, such and such. It wasn't a derogatory. It was just like, it was literally like, yo, females look good. I don't know what it was.

We're not an animal species. Yes. And I had never heard that shit in my life. I thought I was being trolled. You know what I'm saying? I literally thought I was being trod until you start having conversation. Like, no, you're not supposed to call women females. I'm like, sense fucking win.

Yeah. Like, we just stopped calling y'all bitches. Except female. You know what I'm saying? It's pretty fucking good. Like, and I understand why you don't want to be called bitches. I understand why you don't want to be called hud. I don't understand why you want to be called sludge.

But the word that is actually in science books? We've been checking male or female on all these little sentences for years. How the hell do you think we thought? about the word. What the f that shit, but that's what I'm talking about. Shit like that. What you're trying to say is Twitter has created a completely separate culture than the one that we exist in, or social media has created a separate culture than we exist in. Twitter and social media is kind of like the workplace. You know, when you're at work in a corporate setting? There's certain rules. Absolutely. And, but we understand that those rules exist,

only at work because we assume that you don't have a camaraderie with some of these people, and we just need to make sure everybody's comfortable. So we're going to heighten the rules just to make sure everyone's secure, and we're going to make people act abnormal. How you act at work is not normal. It is abnormal. Hello, how are you? Nice to meet you.

Nobody goes, I feel my most comfortable and my most self at work. Right? Right. So Twitter now has the same rules. as work, which we acknowledge is abnormal. Nobody gets around their friend group and continues to act like they do on Twitter or at work. The second you get out of work, you're like, fuck, glad that's just done. What's up, duh, fuck you, you're a dickhead, suck my dick, da, da, da, right?

I guess what I'm trying to say is we're canceling people for standards that we do not keep in our life. Yes. At all. And we know we don't keep it. Justin Trudeau out there canceling people for shenan. that he's done. Yeah. All these Twitter woke people

that you and I know that are super woke on social media and in real life not keeping the same energy. And by the way, in that shit, like Ryan Holiday is going to talk

about this later. Well, maybe no, he didn't. I talked about that with him. I had a conversation with him and he was talking about how like, oh no, we did talk about it,

how you present one way but you're really living another way. So you can never truly have peace. You can never truly have stillness. And I've been saying this for years before I even met Ryan Holiday. Eventually, that other way

it's going to catch up. Now he's going to catch up, it's going to take over every fucking thing. It's going to take it all over. See that with Bill Codby. You know what I'm saying? You see that with an R. Kelly.

You see that with an Harvey Weinstein. Whatever you were doing in the motherfucking dark that was foul, it don't matter how you present. That shit is going to catch up to you and it's going to overcome you. Yes. You understand what I'm saying?

Yes. So at what point in time do we start going, at what point in time do we start giving some pushback? At what point of time do we start going, yo? I don't think we should pushback.

Okay, okay, okay, go on that. I think it's... What I mean by pushback is like, pushback to this, like, fake regulations of how we should act that Twitter is and post on us. I don't think we should care. Ah, so don't get honest with you. I don't think we should care.

I don't think that's what... I don't think that's what giving you a real opinion is about. You know what I'm saying? I think that if you, like, matter of fact, there's this quote... Okay, yeah, Satori, right? No, that's not Satori. Yeah.

By focusing on what's obvious or by sticking with the first thought that pops into your head, right? So, you know, when you get to Satari, you're not focusing on what's obvious anymore. You're not sticking with the first thought that is in your head. So if you've actually thought about something, if you've given something some real thought.

Right. And you actually have an opinion that can, I don't know, make somebody else look at the situation a different way or somebody can learn from it, give us that. But if you're just giving us your first bullshit thought, your first bullshit observation, Even when you're outraged, right?

Because what you just talked about? You just talked about people feeling like they should be outraged at something. So you see a word and your first thought is, oh, that's wrong. You haven't even given it any thought. Someone told you to feel that way. Yeah, does it really bother you? Have you given it some thought to see? How could you call you female?

Exactly. Who told you that? You didn't think of that yourself because every time you checked off the sentence, you weren't upset. Absolutely. You didn't return the sentence to the United States government and go, I'm not a dog. I did something yesterday, man, with a group of people. and it was actually very fun but in the midst of it

I'm like yo this whole shit is profiling I'm like this whole shit is profiling I'm getting excited but in the context of what we were doing and I was saying this and as I'm saying this people are laughing the audience is laughing

we're all laughing then it became a running joke because that's all it is I can't say I'll tell you after the fact but it was in context it wasn't bad And when you're actually playing this thing, right, you're playing this game and you're like, realizing like, yo, some of the profiling is accurate. But some of the profiling is totally off.

So you can see how mistakes can happen. And you can see how mistakes can be prevented. Meaning, like, if I see this person and he looks like he may be a school shooter based off what I think school shooters look like. Right. White guy, tall, scraggly little mustache, long black trench coat. That's the school shooter. Are you describing what I'm wearing today?

A little mix of you and Colin Bond. But that's the school shooter. You know what I'm saying? But what if he's not? Right. What if he's just a fucking tall guy with a scraggly mustache and a long coat? You know what I'm saying? He's not bothering nobody.

But you might actually profile him and pat him down. He really may have a gun on him, so he may be right. So it could go either way is what I'm saying. but you gotta throw something up against the wall to see if it motherfucking sticks because we all do it that's all the cops job is the profile by the way 100%. So we're asking them to be perfect at profiling

and it's hard to be perfect at profiling. You can't walk through an airport and have signs and say if you see something, say something because the way I see things might be different than the other person. Yeah, yeah, you're going to see a lot. They're going to be a lot of saying. I think Taylor looks suspicious as fuck

but I know her. Right. You know what I'm saying? Excuse me if you didn't know her. Oh yeah. You would profile her. Oh yeah. What would you think that she was doing?

Who is this little short, like, you know, tiny-hand person? Just mean mugging. Mean-mugging. Yeah. Like, they're up to something. Yeah, no, you're plotting. Yeah, she's up to something. She's got a hustle going.

She's up to something. She's got a hustle going, and she needs to be watched. That's all I'm saying. Hey, by the way, that's all it takes some time, right? Watch her. Watch her. You don't got to arrest her. Don't bother her.

Just this. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. Keep an eye. That's all it is. That's it.

Okay. I mean, listen, I'm not against you. I think, I rather agree. I think we have like a natural function on our brains that profiles. Like, how often do we do this with chicks? Ah, she's prude. Nah, she's down. She's bad.

Yeah, I bet she gives great head. We do it all the time. Now, we're not doing it strictly on that race, but we're doing it based on maybe the way. Alex is going to. debatable. Maybe some raises give head better than others. It's a possibility.

Listen, the beauty about the world we live right now, everybody's profiling each other, whether we realize they're not. They want to be profiled. Yeah. Like, when you buy a watch that's worth $10,000, you are asking people to profile you. I do that all the time. Buy watches for $10,000?

No, no, no, no. I look at people's watches. Oh, because you want to watch. Yeah, I just like, when I see, I'm not going to say when I see it, I think to myself, I, he's somebody. That's it. Dude.

When I see a certain watch, I know how much it costs to say, all right, I wonder what he does. I wonder what she does. I am 100% on, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to say there's somebody. I just wonder how they do.

There you go. But that's what we want people to be asking. Right? Like when we wear a $20,000 watch, we want people, when we wear super expensive sneakers or really exclusive sneakers, we want that question to be asked.

That's the funniest thing to me about like, like gangster rappers getting involved in the police brutality thing. It's like, how many albums are you going to put out where you're like, yo, we're dangerous, we're menacing? And then you're going to go out and be like, why do the police think we're dangerous and menacing?

I mean, not only that. It's just like, we think you're dangerous for menacing because you fucking sing about it all the time. And not only that, you know, on top of that, you say fuck the police. You say fuck the police. They might they take that away. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I guess what I'm saying is we ask to be profiled just as much as we profile. 100%. Right? We bring it on ourselves. That's why we get so mad at, I mean, at least from, I can only speak from a black perspective.

That's why we get so mad at other black people when they do fucked up shit. Because you're like, we already go through it enough? Absolutely. White people, so many white people that you can't marginalize them. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you might be marginalize them by region. You know, if you're in a certain city, you might know something that Canadians, I don't say you can, but you might know something that people in Arkansas do. Oh, yeah, We judge people in different places.

Yeah. The South judges, Northern Yankees. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I think 100%. I wonder if girls, Taylor, do you, is there a way to dress single? So there's no way where like...

Taylor definitely looks single right now. There's no way in where... I don't know if you did that on purpose. Are you doing? Is there any way that like, let's say you're out and you want to be approached? Not saying you dress like a hoe, but like... is there a way where you're like, I would like a guy's attention tonight.

And it doesn't mean that it has to have your boobs out. You know what I'm saying? I was talking about this with my friend. Like, I would say for females in a way, I could kill for this, whatever. Like, certain regions of where you were in the city. Like, you could tell a hood girl from, like, someone that's kind of, but that makes sense.

Like. A boozy girl from a hood girl. Most boozy girls are nothing but hood girls who got to be. good job. I'm just saying, though, like, wait, what? Most boozy girls are just girls from the hood who just got a good job

and now they think they're not hood no more. But they still ghetto as fuck. Yeah, they... Which is sexy. But I don't know. Like, if I go in the hood, especially in New York, like, you tell...

Don't nobody think you boojie. I'm not saying me being boozy, but you could kind of tell, like, oh, she, like, in the trenches. Yeah, because you got on camouflage. No, it's... You look like you ready for wool. I was saying how they do their hair maybe and everything else.

You're saying that you can discern if a girl is ghetto or not based on the way she looks. It's more so how she dresses. Not looks physically, but how she carries herself. I think white ghetto looks worse than black ghetto nowadays. I think white ghetto is like, what's the rap? What was that chick that used to rap? You know what I'm talking about that. That was on Dr. Phil?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Leasy or something like that. Yeah, like, you know, because to me... No, not Bad Bunny. The other one, uh, catch me outside. There you go. No, that is Bad Bunny.

That's... No, it's not Bad Bunny is a Latino artist. Bad Baby. Yeah, whatever the fuck. Yeah, yeah. All I'm simply saying is... Bad Barbie. She's ghetto.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, like, she's old school what people thought being ghetto was. Yes. Geto people don't act like this. So she wears ghetto things. Like real people from the hood and the ghetto don't act like that.

Yeah, she wears ghetto face. Exactly. She's ghetto because she's pretending. She's acting the way she thinks black people in the hood act. That's ghetto to me. So she's playing the character. She's playing this ghetto character. Absolutely.

Now, wait, we've already even leave. But back to single. How do we find if girls are single by the way that they dress? You don't dress any differently when you're in a relationship or not? No, I don't. Really? Because I don't. I feel like.

You're going to get the attention regardless. Yeah, pretty much. Interesting. No, that's fine. If you're going to get it no matter what, why put in the effort? I notice you only get it when you stand up. What? I notice you only get it when you stand up.

You're not going to get one compliment today because you're sitting down. Now watch, when you're going to sign. Watch the day when we put this up. Nobody's going to say anything. Soon as you stand up, they're going to be. It's not going to say anything because of what you're saying. It's the truth. What do they say about it?

Go back and watch old comments. They only like when they can see. a little standing all the way up. What do they say that? You've been like tolestone? Boom, that's all I'm saying. What are you trying to say about my face? Oh!

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Well, not motherfucking, but stillness is the key. Ryan Holiday. Yeah, thanks for having me. What's happening, my guy? How much? just good to be here. What is the importance of stillness, man, especially at today's society? I think stillness is where all the good stuff in life comes from, whether it's like at home or whether you're doing your work. Nobody does good work, makes good decisions, is happy when they're

overwhelmed, when they're overworked, when they're reactive, when they're being, you know, and whether that's being reactive to external stuff or just like the shit you got going on inside. It's impossible. It's impossible to be stilled in. Yeah. And today's a situation. society? Yeah, we certainly don't have a world that's designed to encourage stillness, but I mean, it's always, it's always been super hard. I mean, people don't like being alone with their own thoughts. So they, that's why they invade other countries or try to invent things or, you know, work, work, because they're afraid of looking in the mirror or looking inside. So you feel like everybody feels that way? Everyone struggles with it in some form or another, I think. And it's just like for people who are out like doing real stuff, the importance of it is greater. You know what I mean? If you're just selling insurance in a small town, okay, the stillness isn't costing you that much.

It's probably just costing you personally. You know, if you play sports, if you play professional sports or you perform at the highest level, or if your job depends on creativity and breakthroughs, like, if you're not able to slow things down and really look clearly and really analyze what's happening, how you're going to get your lunch eating. So let me ask you a question. If, you know, stillness is the key to happiness, how come people who, I guess, are just bums, right?

Like, that don't have a care in the world, you know what I'm saying, live with their mom, their dad. And, like, they don't have a desire to do anything more. Like, they're just going through life. Why aren't they necessarily more happy? Are the happiest people? Yeah, yeah. I think when you're leaving,

on the table, there is like a lot of nagging doubt and insecure. I don't think, I think if you, if you know you're wasting your life and it's like tick, ticking away, I think that's causing all sorts of existential dread. What if you don't feel that way? What if you really don't feel like you're wasting your life? You're just like, this is just life. But I think you, I think deep down you feel it. That's why you, that's why you don't want to turn off the TV.

Because if you are, if you stop, you are forced to see yourself. Got you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think that's why they say so much angry shit on the internet, those people. You gave them an outlet. Yeah, because they're really bitter. Deep down, they're really bitter and resentful.

You say on the inside panel of the book that stillness can be cynically confused for idleness. Yeah. So how can you decipher the difference? Well, we think, you know, we think stillness is just laying around. Like, when you think stillness, you think not doing anything. But I think when you're still, you're actually doing the really important stuff. You know what I mean? Like, even meditation, which I'm, I'm,

I'm not a big proponent of, but like the person looks like they're not doing anything, but actually they're exerting all sorts of self-control. You know what I mean? Like, it's hard to sit there and not have your thoughts just run like crazy. That takes work, man. Yeah. So what does stillness look like? Like, what is that?

For people that are listening right now, they're like, what the fuck is stillness? Does that mean just sit in one spot? Like, what the stillness look like? I think it manifests itself in a bunch of different ways. But, like, to me, I think so it's like presence. Like when you're, like, for me, I'm sitting there writing. I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm like all in on this task in front of me.

That's one of them. Stillness is like when you're really playing with your kids. Do you know, like, again, you're not thinking of anything else. You're just like, this is what we're doing. We're sitting here playing in the sand. Enjoying a moment. Yeah. Stillness is when you're in a walk in a park and you're actually seeing what's around you.

It's not, you know, you're not distracted. you're actually seeing and experiencing what's going on. Stillness is when you're, you know, you've got 30 opportunities being thrown at you and you're able to sort of go, who do I actually want to be? What do I actually want to do? What, like, what gets me closer to where I want to be?

Ooh. You know? Like, stillness, to me, is like the batter looking at the pitcher and deciding, like, which pitches to not swing at, you know? Yeah. But most of us were just, like, We think, like, success and life is like, swing, swing, swing, swing.

And it's, that's a recipe for disaster. Expound on that a little bit. Because I think a lot of people who feel like the more opportunities that come your way, you should take every opportunity and that's what success is. But to me, just being busy for the sake of being busy is not success. No, like, when I look at, when I talk to people in there, like, the other day I was like on some phone call with someone and we were going to do something and like the call was scheduled for like $4.50.

I was like, you're scheduling down to like 10 minutes. Like, it's not like we got on the phone at 450. Like, we scheduled it. Not for 4.30, not for 5. They were scheduling down to like 10 minute blocks. I was like, that sounds like a not fun life. You know what I mean? Like, because they, you so, like, a friend of mine is a psychologist.

He worked for the Mets for a long time. And he was telling me this, like, when you start in baseball, like, especially guys from the Dominican, they're like, you don't walk off the island, meaning like you swing off the island, right? Like you hit, you get there because you swing at pitches and you hit the ball. Because then you get to the majors and now it's all about plate discipline, right? Like, the pitcher's trying to trick you into swinging at pitches, you can't hit. And so the key is like, oh, that's, that is almost a good pitch, but it's not the right pitch. You know, I got, I could write any book I want, but what's the right book? You know, if, if this is my last book, am I doing it the right way?

am I, you know, and we were talking about this. It's like you could do lots of different ideas, but the difference between the right idea and the almost right idea could be millions of dollars. Or it could be the difference between hitting your audience and nobody caring. And so you've got to have that discipline. Yeah, that's the point I think I'm at in my life right now. Like, you know, it's tons of opportunities out there.

And back in the day, I would have just grabbed everything, everything, everything. You know what I mean? Because I remember, you know, hearing Kevin Hart say back in the day, how he just didn't turn anything down. Yeah. You know, and now I'm at that point where I don't want to do everything. I want to sit still and do the right thing. Yeah.

And like what is success? What good is success if you can't say no? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like isn't the whole point of success. To me, success and autonomy are the same word. You know what I mean? Like if becoming more successful means I have less freedom,

then I'm actually less success. You know, like if I can't say no because either like some insecure part of me is like afraid of being irrelevant or whatever because I say no, that's not success. Or if success is like, you know, you hear people complaining where I got to go do this, I got to do this. You know, the company says I have to or the kind. That's like a shitty place to be. Hmm. You know. Is that the same as saying I'm a slave?

Somebody's a slave today, urges? Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of people who are, they're not slaves to their. their career, but they're slaves to sex or their slaves to social media or they're slaves to their ego. Look at like, people go like, why can't Donald Trump not tweet? Why can't it's like he does not have a choice. Yeah, yeah.

It's not the profession, but personally he has no ability to stop. And that that is not, he's the most powerful man in the world, but it actually has like the fewest options of anyone in the world because of who he is. I want to get into that, but to me that sounds like being a, slave to relevancy. All this sounds like being a slave to relevancy. Like if you can't say no to opportunities or if you constantly got to be on social media, it's just like, you're a slave to wanting to be with that word relevant. Yeah, I mean, look at the core, Donald Trump is a slave to the attention. He needs attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And attention is a cruel mistress because it's like

there's an unlimited, so he's chasing it all the time. And I think we know, like, I know people that are like slaves to drama, right? So it's like things are good. And, and, and, and, So these are not like public people, but it's like things are good. And because they don't want them to be good, they got to blow up their life. That's why they, you know, they talk behind someone's back or they, you know, they get involved in this or they jump into other people's business, right? Like, because they can't, life can't be good for them. It's got to be like, you know, the real housewives. They're all slaves to drama.

Do you know what I mean? But that's television, though. So it's scripted. So actually the producers and the network so slave the drama because they know that's bring brains. But I mean, we know people like that. Those people exist in real life. And that's a crappy way to live. And what's so funny about those people is they're always like,

why is it like this? You know, they're always like, why is my life? Why are people always yelling at me? And it's like, because you can't stop yourself. You know, I told you earlier, one of my favorite chapters in the book is Beware Desire. Yeah. And it's, you started off by saying,

every man has a passion gnawing away at the bottom of his heart just as every fruit has its worm. And it's about Alexandria Dumas. And the reason that chapter, you know, hit me so hard because it talked about John F. Kennedy. Yeah. And he was a slave to pussy. Yeah, basically.

You know? And drugs, too. He was on drugs, too? Yeah, yeah. He had this terrible back injury. So, like, this was back when doctors would be like, oh, here's, you know, heroin basically or whatever. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, it was not fun to be John F. Kennedy, you know? But yeah, he was. Like, in the Cuban Missile Crisis, the world is about to end. Instead of going home and seeing his beautiful wife and his kids on what might be the last day on earth, he has one of his like goons buss in some co-ed from some college so they can hook up in a White House hotel room.

That's, to me, that's really sad. Yeah, and it was so much layers to that chapter because you talk about how he would say he would get sick if he didn't fuck another girl every few days. Yeah, yeah. He says this to like the prime minister of Britain. He's like, you get headaches when you don't have sex, right?

And the dude's like, what are you talking about? He's like, first off, this is not what president should be talking about. he's like, that's not healthy, man. That's bad. But that's what addiction looks like. Like, we're so wrapped up in it. We can't even understand how ridiculous it is.

But he learned that from his father. Yeah, his father would bring home mistresses or take them on family vacations. And everyone would just have to pretend like, oh, this is Susan. She's dad's friend from work. Oh, that fucks you up. Yeah. Yeah, I was telling you earlier, like, you know, when I confronted my father, but cheating on my mom back in the day, he looked me in my eyes and said,

oh, you only got one girlfriend? Yeah. He was like, when you get older, you go understand. That shit fucked me up because I always thought having, since from that moment on, I thought having one girlfriend, even though it felt super unnatural to be with five, six different women,

I always feel like having one girlfriend, something was wrong with it. Well, Tiger Woods' dad would take his son on golf tournaments, but it was really an excuse for him to go get drunk and cheat on his wife, on the road. And so we got, we got, it's not that you give Tiger Woods a pass,

but it makes more sense why he would blow up his amazing life the way that he did. It was learned behavior. It was learned. It's learned behavior from the person you are supposed to be learning good things from. You're a superhero. The man that you're supposed to learn, you know, I guess everything about being a man from. You know what I always say. When I say we were raised wrong, especially me, I always say I was raised wrong because of my father and my uncles.

and that reflected and even the music of hip hop, you know, the misogynistic shit, the chauvinistic shit, like all of that was because of upbringing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I think as a father, you've got to go, like, it doesn't matter what I say, it doesn't matter what my rules are, it doesn't matter what schools I send them to. At the end of the day, like, the best thing you can do is just not be a shitty person

in front of your kids. Yeah. Or not even, because some dads, they're like, oh, I'm good when I'm around my kids, but in secret, I'm fucking around.

It's like, no, you got to be a good, best thing you can do to be a good dad is just like, be a good person. Can a person like that ever find stillness? Meaning like, you're John F. Kennedy, you're the president, so you present one way. Yeah. But behind the scenes, you move in a whole other way.

Can a person like that ever truly have stillness? I think, I mean, it's, it's, Tiger Wood said this. He's like, look, when you're lying and cheating, your life is actually not fun. It might seem fun to other people, but it sucks. Tell me about it. That's why I stop cheating.

Yeah. Yeah. Who wants to have a secret life? So I think you've got, it's hard and you got to be willing to commit to doing work on yourself. And you got to, so you got to do that. I think most people are not willing to do that work. And you said something in the book, man, you talked about, and I know the feeling. You talk about how you feel after you cheat. Yeah. Like the guilt, the lying, you know what I'm saying? The disloyalty. Like, you know, you don't feel trustworthy.

you feel like a fucking snake. Yeah. You just finish doing some dirt. Then you're going back and laying with this woman that you claim to love. You know what I'm saying? But you know you bullshit in there. And I'm like, that feeling doesn't feel good. Right.

So you want to flash forward to that thing. You know, as you're, it's like, it's like when people want to buy something really expensive. It's like, think about how you actually feel after you, but you feel guilty. It's like, this wasn't worth it. So don't get caught up in the rush or the desire of the thing. You got to go like, how am I going to feel after? It's like how you feel right after you come. You know what I mean?

You feel guilty, right? Like, there's a- Alex, I feel a little tired. Yeah, you feel tired. But you have a swear, you don't go like, ah, that was worth all of it. You know, like,

that's not the feeling you feel. It is worth it. But not worth all of it. That's what I mean. But your mind as you want, whatever that thing is, whether it's like a Bentley or whether it's that you want to

break up with someone or whatever, you know, whatever that thing is, you tell yourself, when I get what I want, it's going to be a, amazing. The experience is going to be amazing. But that's just how the mind tricks us into, you know, like, it's good evolutionarily to cheat, you know, like, if that makes sense.

What do you mean? Break that down. It's good evolutionary to cheat. Write this down, you cheaters. You might can use this at home. This might be a good one. Think about it. Like, the more people you have sex with, that's better for your DNA, like the spread of your DNA. So you could see why, like, spreading your seat. Yeah, you could see why your genes are like, I'm going to trick Charlemagne into blowing up his life to have one extra kid. That's good over generations. But as far as like your personal happiness, like it's lying to you. Well, hold on now.

Let's talk about that a little deeper, right? Like, because think about it. If that, what you're saying to me is a natural thing. If my genes are telling me to do something, that means it's natural. What keeps me from doing it is legislation, basically. You know what I'm saying? Well, there's this thing called the natural, the naturalistic fallacy. We're just because it's natural doesn't mean it's right.

It's like, think about it. it's natural to be jealousy or to be jealous. It's natural to be irrationally angry at thinking someone might be in love with your wife or girlfriend. Still not okay to murder them. But like your brain might, in the heat of the passion, might be like, I got to do this. You know, like so evolutionarily we have these drives that make sense. If we're monkeys, we're not monkeys. And we're not just, like the sole goal is not.

the propagation of our DNA. The goal is to be fully realized human beings. But you don't take vows not to be jealous. You don't take vows not to be envious. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You can't get a divorce and lose half of everything because you're jealous of somebody.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But I think what marriage is or what relationships are is a short-term trade-off for long-term gain. But we're really bad at doing... Like, it's like, you know if you take your savings and you put it in the stock market over 40 years, it'll be worth a lot. But if you're watching the news every day, you're like, I got to sell it, I got to put, you know. So it's like we make, we realize that as human beings, we're really bad at like evaluating things in the short term.

And we often do things that are in our long term, not in our interests, but in the short term feel emotionally fulfilling or, anxiety reducing or whatever. So, like, I think that's why we have vows and that's why we have structure and that's why we have friends who try to keep us accountable. They're like, what they're saying is like, that might feel good right now, but you're going to regret it later. And so that's what we've got to work on.

And you said a person enslaved to their urges is not free. Yeah. I mean, look, there are billionaires I know that feel much less rich than like totally ordinary middle class people that I know. Like Seneca, who I write about, a lot in the books. You know, he's like, poverty is not having too little.

It's wanting more. So, like, let's not be flip about people who are in real poverty, but like, what, what the, in the first world, what poverty usually is, is feeling like you don't have enough because you're comparing yourself to other people. So you meet these billionaires and you're like, oh, your life must be awesome. But it's like, no, they're like grinding every day because they're, they can never feel like they have enough. When it comes to somebody like John F. Kennedy, right?

What if pussy is the stillness? So they've talked to a lot of John F. Kennedy's girlfriends. And so first off, from what we understand, because of his terrible back injury, sex probably hurt. He just had to lay, like, basically he had laid there on his back and then, like, the woman was on top. He's the president of the United States of America. Why should he be doing the fucking?

No, but it's because physically it was painful for him. They were like it was mechanical and it was joyless. And it was like, it was basically like masturbating with somebody's help. That's what sex was for him. And so it wasn't like, like, like maybe it is. Maybe there's somebody who's just like, I'm a romantic. And for me, it's about falling in love and the connection and the experience. You ain't got to talk about when you married.

I need a president. You got to get back to work. But for him, it was a compulsion just in the way for someone else, compulsion might be getting. high or it might be, you know, like for Donald Trump, the compulsion is like, I got to have attention. I got to dominate. Yeah.

You know, it's like, he's not enjoying this. Like, it sucks. So there can be no stillness in that whatsoever. Like, because I think people do things like that for an escape, right? Yeah, I don't think there can be stillness in anything you're doing. Like, look, traveling is wonderful and beautiful, but I have a friend who's like clearly addicted to traveling. Like, he can't be home for more than a couple days before he's like,

planning the next trip. Yeah. So that's it. When he lands in Rome or when he lands in Bangkok, he's having a fundamentally different experience than I am. I'm breathing it. I'm enjoying it. This is wonderful.

This is different. For him, he's like, he's on the run. Yeah. I can see that, though, because I tell people all the time, you know, one of the main reasons I started going to therapy is because I was on vacation. And I had this sense of serenity and this sense of no anxiety and no worry for this moment. And I was like, yeah, how can I feel like this all?

the time. Yeah. Because I can't take vacations all the fucking time. You know what I mean? Of course not. So he's probably chasing that. Yeah. Yeah. And look at what we're really good at is taking that thing and turning it into our job. Right. Like a lot of people's escape is their work. You know, it's like work for work you control, right? But other people are complicated. Life is complicated. Our emotions are complicated. So we go like, I'm going to do this thing so I never have to think about how anger I am at my dad or how lonely I feel or what a, you know, what a loser I feel like. And so we, we do, do, do. So we don't have to look in the mirror. But if like there's a story I tell about the book, Johnny Cash comes off tour one day and he lands at LAX. He walks up to

the counter and he goes like, I would like a plane ticket. She's like to where? And he's like, wherever the next plane is going. Like he he worked all, he worked for. He worked for. months and he doesn't even want to leave the airport to go home because he's running from what's at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's terrible. That's not success. No.

Chris, feel free to jump in on this if you want to because I saw you shaking your head when he was talking about John of Kennedy being whacking bed. And I was like, damn, did Chris fuck him? No, I mean, that's pretty well known. I mean, he was pretty much like, I guess you would call it like an amphetamine addict. And they were also shooting him up with basically like you would. call it like a happy shot, I think is how they described it, where, you know, he had, so he had Addison's disease, which, is that like an autoimmune? I don't know exactly, but it was like,

it was just super painful. And then he hurt his back, which was legit in the PT, you know, when he was a war hero in World War II. And during the incident that kind of made his fame, I guess legitimately busted his back up pretty badly. So, I mean, I don't, I don't know what John F. Kennedy's like in bed. I only know it from, I'm into James Elroy. I don't know if you've read any of his stuff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, good stuff.

Well, and it was, it's not just like he wasn't that good in bed or whatever, but, like, he hooked up with, like, a German spy. Right. He hooked up with, like, a mob boss's girlfriend. He would, he was almost addicted to the thrill of hooking up with people that were really,

like, you know, they say, like, in sex addiction, it's like, is this causing problems in your life? It's like, when you're president, you're hooking up with a mob boss. That's one of the reasons they think the mom might have been involved in assassinating.

He was all tied up in this. Yeah, I mean, if you believe Elroy is a fiction writer, at least for the most part, Kennedy was exposed. He was vulnerable because everybody knew what his addiction was, and they would just send drugs and pussy at him. And he couldn't say no. And if you want to make a parallel, I mean, you guys are talking about Trump's addiction. Yeah.

It's exposed to him. It's his vulnerability. So it's these guys who get to a certain point and they can't say no to these things. And then people pray on that. So Trump's addiction is detention. It's a tension, but it's also sex. I mean, I think if you were to dig into Trump's sex life, he's been rolling in those circles with the Epstein's, with the Clintons,

whoever it is. Like, it's pretty much in plain sight, how it gets down. I wouldn't be mad at Trump for that, though, only because he's not a traditional politician. Like, you know, he didn't grow up supposed to be squeaky clean and shit. He was a reality show star, playboy billionaire. You know what I mean? But, and like less high stakes, like a good example is like,

what happens is, like, your people's identity, like, they're so insecure that they need to always be accomplishing to feel good about themselves. And that's why they can't say no to stuff. So they can't say no to this half good opportunity because, like, the insecurity of Pat, they're like, oh, I'm not going to, there's this, I talk about the book, but there's this crazy video of Joan Rivers where they're like, Joan, why do you keep working so much? Like, and why do you do all these, like, crappy things? She's like, look at my calendar. She's like, she flashes forward a couple months and she's like, see these blank page, see these blank date. She's like, if this isn't filled up, it means I'm nothing in my entire career was a waste. Wow. And you're just like, oh man,

that's so sad. You're like one of the best who ever did it. And all you're thinking about is like, if I'm not working in Atlantic City in some tiny room three months from now, like I suck. So that's that Colin Power quota, avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it. For sure. For sure. Now, I want to talk about, except the higher power, that chapter. I thought that was a very dope chapter because you quote this philosopher named Nassim, and you say...

You would like him. Nassim Taleb. He wrote this book, The Black Swan, and a book called Anti-Fragile. I need to fuck with him. Yeah, he's great. And you say, it's not that we need to believe that God is great,

only that God is greater than us. Yeah. I'm proud on that a little bit. Look, for a long time I was an atheist. I grew up religious and I became an atheist, and then what I came to believe is that I can't quite get there. I can't quite get there that there's a God.

But what I've worked towards is more the humility of like, I don't know. You know what I mean? When you have this certainty of like, like, how could I possibly know? Is I read one book? Like I know. At the same time, I think it's a little ridiculous people. Like, there's definitely a God and he's talking to me and he's telling me what to do. That strikes me as a bit egotistical too.

But like I want to get to a play. Like, to me it's more like my understanding of God or higher power. And this is what they talk to you about in 12-step groups. like, it's just like that you're not in control, you know, like that the, the universe is, is in control. You are not. You are not the center of the universe. It's like, whether you believe there is a God or not is almost secondary, is almost

less important than just let's stop believing that you're a God. In your case, this is funny. But, you know what I mean? You know, like, people walk around going like, I'm God. The universe revolves around me. and then something bad happens and they're like, how could this happen?

Why me? And it's like, because bad shit happens to people every day and you're not special. Well, I mean, I call myself God because, you know,

in Genesis chapter 126 says God created a man in his image according to his likeness. And, you know, I grew up studying the 5% teachers teach you that the black man

is God and God is a Greek word, you know, derived from the aramic words, Gumma Arzabal, which means wisdom, scripture and beauty. So the Greek students used to identify

their Egyptian teachers is that. You know what I mean? So I'm not saying I'm God. Yeah. The creator, end all, be all. I'm just an extension of that higher power.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. And I'm like, you just have to, you need something above you. Right? So you don't, so your ego doesn't fill up that space. Yes. Andrew Shoste just walked in. I'm sorry. I'm late.

How you doing? What up, Hezzi? For sure. We're talking about this chapter. Stillness is the key called except the higher power. You say, for people who don't believe in God, and you just said it a little bit, if you say we are products of evolution and randomness, right?

So this is for the atheist. Yeah. Like the people who think is about science, gravity, physics, like, but you still have to accept that there is something bigger than you. Why do people not want to accept that something's bigger than them? Well, because we want to be the center of the universe. We want this illusion that, like, we're in control and that this is all, like, just the idea that, like, we're, like, monkeys on this rock spinning in space.

It's frightening. It's frightening. It's very humbling. So we'd rather be like, oh, no, like, I am the, the, it's all about me. Like, this is special. Like, just the idea that, like, who knows? Like, I think that humility is really important. What's strange to me is, like, how can you not be humble if you just look at the world?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, just look at the earth, travel. Open up the window on a plane and look out there. Like, you know what I mean? go look at some mountains, look at other animals and other species. Like, how can you not be humble? But people are too busy watching reruns of Big Bang Theory on the plane to look out the window, right?

Like that. So we, we, you have to be, that's what stillness is about is about taking that time to do that. Because what comes out of that is like more self-awareness and humility and some quiet. And I think also gratitude. You know, just the idea of like, oh, this is totally random, but somehow it worked out for me that like I'm a lot. Like, it doesn't make any sense that we're here. Like, so if you look at it from an evolutionary scientific standpoint, it's absurd that we're here. Like, the odds that we're here is like so astronomically, preposterously unbelievable that you should almost get to the same spot as like, no, God made all this and wants us here. For me.

Yeah. Because it's some, it still was made for you. How do you balance that equation? Like, how do you balance the equation? There's all these people starving. There's all these people struggling. And you have all this abundance. Yeah.

Without thinking someone's looking out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a, the result of this kind of thinking should be an immense amount of gratitude and an immense amount of satisfaction with what you have rather than going like, well, yeah, all that's really good. But if I don't have the most money out of all the people on the planet, then then it sucks to be me. Right. Is that how you balance your success? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think like how many people would kill to have one book, let alone this many. And like, I'm going to be sitting here and going, But this person's book came out at the same time they sold 10% more copies. This was a failure. Like, you know, like there are people who just found out their kids have cancer. Like, this is ridiculous.

This is, it's ingratitude is preposterous if you think about it that way. I was thinking more like, I've noticed a theme with your books is kind of like understanding this world that we're in and like even understanding success. Yeah. And is this your way of trying to like cope with your success? Or you're like, I think so. All right. Do you believe in God? Are you?

I've gotten, I'm agnostic. I just don't know. Right, you don't know. So it's like, okay, let me search for another reason why I have all this fucking success because there's got to be a reason. Yeah. It can't be that you're just so special. It's definitely, I definitely remind myself it's not because I'm special, right?

I think it's because I got dealt a hand and I played the hand well. Right. So I'm always feeling like you're special to them. Well, that's a tough thing. It's right. It's like you look at a guy like especially, you know, we've all come from, how do we say? I don't want to say, just because you come from like privilege, right? doesn't mean that you're going to be as successful as you are.

Right. So, like, the three of us in this room have come from different levels of privilege, right? But, like, we've all achieved, we've all out achieved our success. Yeah. Right. You look at Charlemagne, it's, it would be hard for you to not look at yourself as special. I look at you as special, seeing from where you came from to where you are now. How do you balance, how do you tell him, how do you go, you're not special?

Like, how the fuck? But, listen, I get what Andrew's saying, because I think feeling like you're special. is what... It's an advantage. It's what helps you get to this point. Like, Ryan, you're not the average author. I read a lot of books. Like, you're one of my favorite authors for a reason.

But so here's why you want to keep that in check. Napoleon, special guy, right? He comes from nothing. He accomplishes all this stuff. Shout out to the show guy. I was showing his second name. Right. He's clearly special.

He's brilliant. He's a cop. And then he goes, that people are like, hey, invading Russia. Bad idea. They got this winter. and kills a lot of people and you're not ready. And he goes, I'm special. The rules don't apply.

So you keep it in check because it makes you overreach, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like that. Right. Yeah, I feel what you're saying, though. Yeah, I don't, because I'm open to learning new things and I'm open to other people's, you know, critique and other people's opinions.

So that's the distinction I make between confidence and ego. Confidence is like, I know what I'm capable of, I know what I've done, I know what my skills are, but I also know these are my flaws. Ego is like, of course I'd be a good president, right? Like, even though I have no training and a horribly unpresidential temperament and threatened by other people, by other smart people. And I don't play by the rules. I'm just, you know, you get where I'm going. I'm like, it's, he had a skill set that made him good at running for president, but terrible at being president.

And, and, but the irony is, like, he could have been a good president, just like basically anyone could be a good president if you're just willing to listen. You're willing to listen and go, hear my weaknesses. I'm going to take steps that counteract those weaknesses. Gotcha. So to me, that's where that specialness is like, oh, whatever I want, I'm going to do. Like, Kanye West, super talented. He looks at his success in music.

He goes, of course, I'm going to crush it in fashion. You know, and then ends up losing 30 plus million dollars because you can't, you can't go like, well, these strengths that work for me in the music business are going to work against me here. So, like, what countermeasures am I going to put in a place? Didn't he go and make like a billion dollar business now? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, easy. But maybe, so maybe he did it. But you get what I'm saying.

I hear what you're saying. Just because you're good at one thing doesn't mean you're going to be good at everything. Okay, here's something I often think about like with athletes. And it's easier to think compartmentalize with athletes, right? it's like you're a pitcher, right? So you're gifted with this natural ability to throw the ball like fast and accurate, right? But you want to take that to an elite level, right?

So all of a sudden, maybe you start swimming because you've realized that motion swimming like works certain muscles and you work the muscles in your hands. You try to get that competitive advantage on the people in your field by like doing specific things. I remember Kobe Bryant said when he was trying to play D on Alan Iverson, he studied the movements of sharks because he thought that the AI move like a shark.

He's like, maybe I'll help me do it, right? And I often think, like, how do we, let's call this the intellectual field, even though it sounds douchey to even say. But, like, how do we outside the physical field, like, get these competitive advantages? I feel like I'm at my best when I'm emotionally abundant or, like, full. When I, like, I'm not operating from the void of how do I feel good or validated. I'm actually over and I can be like, man, I love your book, Ryan or Charlotte, man, you're the best. Like, I feel like I can get it. When you're coming from a pure place.

Yeah, when I don't need. when I'm not taking. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So I'm like, how do I set myself up to be like that? Maybe you can't be like that all the time, but the most amount of time. Yeah. Right? And I feel like when I'm, you know, just dabbling into your stuff, a lot of that is just coming to this piece of not needing.

Yeah. And therefore, there's much to give. But I can't be there all the time. Yeah, no, I don't think you can be all there, be there all the time. I think you got to work. you get there in brief glimpses and that's where the good shit comes from. But yeah, I think people go like, if I'm content, if I'm happy, if I have enough, if my identity is not tied up and won't I stop moving forward?

And it's like, actually, no, you're going to make better work, I think. At least I do. Like, when, if I'm writing and I'm thinking about like, oh, this is going to prove those people wrong, this is going to make so much money. You know, this is like when I'm sitting there envisioning all this. success, not only am I like not actually thinking about the thing in front of me, which is like I should be thinking about, it's like you should be not thinking about winning the World Series. You should be thinking about the pitch you got to throw, right? But I think I'm, I think that like toxic smallness or whatever is also, I think the reader can sense it. You know what I mean? Like when you're coming from a place where you're pure and you're connected and you really mean it and you're sincere, that's the best you. It's like if you're trying, If you're trying to pull, if you're, if you're like meeting someone and you're trying to, like, impress them, that's when you're the least impressive. Yeah.

And I agree with you. I think that, you know, when, I think people can feel your intention. But I think what's sad about the area we live in now, people feel what they think your intention is more than your actual intention. You know what I'm saying? Because based off whatever position you may be in, if you throw something out there, they're not going to think it's genuine. Are they not going to think it's really because, you know, you care about the work? Or it's only like 280 characters. That's like a fraction of a person.

You know, like we're not dealing with each other. We're dealing with each other through these misleading mediums. Even when you deal with each other, though, it's like, do you ever find yourself pulling back on your natural reaction out of fear that that person might think you want something from them that you actually don't? Sure. You know, like a person, a position of power. You kind of just want to be like, man, I just love everything you do. I think you're so great at it. But if I say that, they're going to think that I'm trying to work them

or get some kind of thing out of that. I should just say it. Let's just not give a fuck, even if they think that, right? If it's a real, if you can dig a little deeper, meaning like, it's not generic. Don't be generic. Ah, yeah, yeah. Quote an actual Andrew Shultz joke.

Right, right. Tell me a line out of Ryan Holiday's book. Then I know it's real. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm not going for a friend, I'll overhear conversation sometime, and I'll be like, yeah, motherfucker ain't up. But when I hear like, yo, I remember in this, you know, this such says chapter, he quoted line in the movie, I'm like, okay, he's really, he really fucks with that person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it has to seem authentic. It has to seem genuine. We're not seem. It has to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you could just tell. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, you say keeping a journal gets you closer to stillness. Yeah, like we're talking about getting to that place of what, like, it's like, I want to I want to take all those nasty, weird thoughts and, like, put them down on paper. You know, like, get rid of them. Like, don't carry them around. It's like windshield wipers. Don't put them on Twitter. Yes, right.

I think that is the smart lesson that we've learned. Yes. Right. No, no. Don't think this shit out loud. Yeah. Don't get private. Like, the journal is your safe, your safe space.

What about a good group chat? Oh. Like mine did fucked up thinking. I like a group chat. That's a lot of bad tweets. Hey guys, just getting this off the chest. That's all. That's all.

I just want to know that this one ripped. It was a good reaction. That's it. You know, that was funny? That's all. I don't need the whole world. Notice a couple people. That's how our validation matrix has changed.

It doesn't need to be Twitter. I think with like athletes, particularly young ones, it's like people, it's like no one said like, hey, you can have a thought and you don't have to tell two million people. Right. You can be mad at someone and keep that yourself. Yeah. Right? Unless you're doing it like Gucci's doing it probably to get attention.

Like, if you're doing it, like, I like when a coach clearly got a technical on purpose to rally the players. Like, that I respect. But it's like when you're so jerked around by your remote, you can't stop yourself from saying something. Like the Trump, you know, the Trump tweets where it's like, it's so obviously a bad idea, but he did not not do it. When he was going all caps like Mero, that was, that's how I know he was going through it when he did all caps, man. I get anxiety when I don't say what I want to say, though. Because I'll be beating myself up like, y'all should have said that. should have said that.

Yeah. That's, to me, that's what the journal's for. That's what, like, your wife is for. You know, like, that's what your friends are for. And then, like, what you put out in the world, you go, like, is this the best version of me? You know, is like, this, is this who I want to be? You know, when it's the worst when you're on TV and, like, you're doing, like, a panel show and you think of it, but you're like, I'm not going to say it. And then somebody else says it, and you're like, fuck! Is that ego? I think a little bit. So, uh, there's an Emerson, thing. He says, in other people, we see our own rejected thoughts with like an alienated majesty.

Like, he's like, we see the things that we were too scared to do in other people. And, and we go, you know, I think that's what you're feeling a little bit. We talked about the Tori earlier. Before you get out of him, I want to talk about Satori again. What is Satari? That's the moment of enlightenment. That's the moment when you slow things down, when you've done the work, when you've done the reading, you've gone to, like, you know, when you had that breakthrough in therapy, I thought that was that number game in the square. What is that? I don't even know what that is, but I know.

Sudoku. Sudoku. Satorius, when you go, oh, I've been doing this for 20 years because I really just want my dad to be proud of me. That's so dumb, you know? Like that's what that is. Or you go, oh, this is what makes life. To me, I had it with moments when I kid.

I go, oh, this is happiness. What you call a breakthrough, basically. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love what you said. You said, you cannot get this story by focusing on what's obvious or by sticking with the first thought that pops into your head. Yeah. And it makes me think of comedians.

What makes a good comedian is not focusing on the obvious. You know what I'm saying? Not saying what everybody else is saying. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I hear from people that they're like, oh, I'm going to like, they'll dictate a book, right? They're like, these are my thoughts. It's a book. And it's like, actually, no, the book is like the iterate.

It's like the joke is not like, I had this idea. Very rarely I imagine is a joke come out fully formed. It's you have the idea of the joke and then it's the process of refining. And you might change out every single word over a six month period until you get it down. It's like you distill it down to its absolute essence and best. That's what writing is. And I think that's also like what's the story. It's not just like, oh, I get it.

It's this. It's like, no, you got to be, it's got to be rolling around your hand. you gotta talk about it from every, it's work, man. It's like when they go, you know, a lot there's these Zen co-ons where it's like,

you know, what is the sound of, uh, one hand clapping? What, what, what, did your face look like before you were born?

These are like insane questions, but it's the point of like, you gotta think about that for like 10 years and then magically, whatever it means comes to you. Why did you start caring about this stuff? What do you mean? Like, well,

why are you drawn to this? I think I'm just trying to figure out what, what it is. You know, like, I'm just, like, that's,

that's what I do is like, what are we here for? What is life? What is life? What's the right way to live? That's what, to me, that's what philosophy is about and that's why I love.

Are we figuring out, are we figuring out what is life once you have abundance? Well, it's easier, right? That's what the hierarchy of needs is. It's like, look,

first, you got to have food. You got to have shelter. Yes. You got to not be abused. Yes. And that you get there. There's,

There's a difference between survival and living. Thriving. And thriving, yes. And it's like, yeah, I thought about this a lot. Like, so few human beings get to the point where they can stop working to live. Yeah. And that means they're actually living. They're not surviving.

Of course. I'm still surviving. I make a great amount of money, but I'm still surviving because I got to keep working or else I'm not going to live. Is that what you're trying to figure out? Are you trying to figure out living opposed to surviving? I think so. And do those same principles help people who are still surviving? Yeah, yeah.

I think what we should be doing is learning from the people who have actually figured out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so many people like, oh, I'll figure, like, no, let's, we want to, like, there's a quote I have in the ego book. It's like, any fool can learn by experience. I want to learn from the experiences of others. He always quotes you on that.

Oh, nice. Yeah, we're building. And so, yeah, it's like I'm, maybe I'm a little bit ahead of some people, but other people are way ahead of me and I think we're all just working on the same project. Yeah, there's a, there's something that always sticks with me. It's like every broke person who talks to who thinks when they get money, they'll be happy. And every rich person who talks to is like money is not the key to happy. Yes. That's a fact though, but you've got to get money to realize that. You have to get money to realize it. It's hard to take advice from people.

That's, that's the beauty of like true communicators is they can communicate in emotion that they feel that someone hasn't even experienced yet. And the person who hasn't experienced it, trust them. Yeah, sure. That's the tricky part about writing a book like this even. Of course. Yeah, look, and the thing is, like, different books will hit you at different times. So, like, that's why I'm a big proponent of rereading and working on all that.

That's actually a, I shouldn't say that on here, but that's actually a book I want to do. Is what? Because we always, you know, pick up books based off successful people, you know what about the things you. I love books about failure. Yeah, what about the things, no, what about the things you learned from people who didn't just fail, they are real failures. Like, crackheads. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? No, for real. Like, you can learn a lot from crackheads in the hood. Like, like, I want to write something from that perspective. Because a lot of times the things that we didn't do is because we saw other people make those mistakes before us. Of course. You know what I'm saying? There's, uh, I mean, Chappelle, I think, when early on in his career, he would say he

would watch the people that were great at comedy and the people that were bad to find out what not to do. Yeah. And I'm sure you do that with radio. I'm sure we all do that. if you're really paying attention. Like even like athletes, that works not going to move because of that.

Okay, let me get that out of here. Yeah, for sure. All right. My man, Ryan Holiday, stillness is the key, is out right now. You can get it wherever you buy books. Give me your Twitters and Instagram

and all that good stuff, Ryan. At Ryan Holiday, pretty much everywhere. And then at Daily Stoic. And, yeah. Oh, yes, the Daily Stoic. I read the Daily Stoic every single morning. Like, that's one of three affirmations

that I take in every morning. helps me be still first thing in the a.m. Ryan, thank you, my brother. Appreciate it. Appreciate you. We'll be back. All right, hold that thought one second.

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And they got me on there. And my man Craig Melvin is on there. Jesus and Mero is on there. Janet Mock is on there. There's a lot of different people on there. But I really, you know, it's so interesting, man, when things like that happened, I just, you know, take it with a grain of salt because, like, my father always says

you never as good as they say you are, you never as bad as they say you are. So it's just like, you know, one moment you'll have a bunch of motherfuckers saying, fuck you, yada, yada, yada. The next moment you're on some, you know, power list. Do you really care about that list? Like, does that validate your power?

No, it doesn't validate it at all. But it's good to be acknowledged. It is. It's good to be acknowledged. You know what I'm saying? It does feel good to be acknowledged. But I don't feel like I'm doing anything this year that I haven't been doing forever.

Yeah. I feel like when I see stuff like that, it's like, okay, y'all finally catch him up. Finally figured it out. You know what I'm saying? I completely feel that way. I saw you post it and I was looking through it. And I feel like we live in this completely different time where maybe back in the day, we were hoping to achieve the Grammy or hoping to achieve the Oscar, hoping to get added to these lists.

And now since we have the numbers right in front of ourselves and we know our influence, like you know exactly where you rank on the power rankings in New York. And I'm sure you look to some people on that list and you're like, like they ain't that powerful. That's not for me to say. You know what I'm saying? Just because I don't know, no,

just because I don't know somebody doesn't mean that they're not powerful. In their field. Yeah, I just may not know. What I was more impressed by, I loved the fact that Deas and Merrill was on there, and I love the fact that Craig Melvin was on there

because Craig Melvin is from where I'm from. He's from South Carolina. Yeah. Me and Craig used to do. Who is he? I don't know him. He's a news anchor. Craig's on MSNBC.

I think he fills it onto the day show a lot. Like, everybody's like, oh, he's going to be the next Matt Lauer, without the freak shit. You know what I'm saying? Like he's just good at what he does. But me and Craig, we came up together in Columbia.

And I remember back in 2004, the state newspaper in Columbia, they did a top 10 under the age of 30 in the arts in South Carolina. And they did these profiles on these 10 people. And you guys are both in it?

Me and Craig were both in it. You know what I'm saying? Craig was in there with puppies looking on his fucking face, laying in the grass. Because literally that's this, who,

he's always been this guy. Like he's not a person that's presenting one way and acting another way. Right. Craig has always been straight, down the middle, good guy. Just, that's him, really. Yes. We used to be in the club sometime. You know, I'd be throwing a birthday party.

He'd come to my parties at V12. And like, he'd literally be sitting and he'd be like, oh, my God. Is that marijuana? I'm out of here. I got to get out of here. Like, seriously. And he would go somewhere else. Because he knew how good he was going to be.

He knew where he was going. So it's interesting to see things come full circle. For us to be under the age of 30 in Columbia, South Carolina, just trying to figure it out to now being recognized by variety as to the most powerful in New York and neither one of us even fucking from here. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I was like, damn, that's what's up, like for Craig. And these and Marrow is the same thing. Like, yo, that's uncommon sense alumni. That's two guys that my man Paul Ritchie was telling me about one day in the office. And we went down a deep rabbit hole of D D. Zamarro shit. Like, yo, let's go get D. Zamero.

You know what I'm saying? Like D. Zamero come in. Then MTV don't know what to do with them. But they just spraying graffiti all over the motherfucking wall and writing. It's like, y'all, we developed this show on Common Sense. Let's use my guys every week, classic of trash. And it's just like, it's just dope to see them recognized in that way. Yeah.

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. So, like, for me, it wasn't even really about me. It's like, that's dope that all of us are. on this list. You know what I'm saying? Like I got history with these people in a real way

and it makes you think about like the industry and I wrote about this in my last book about how sometimes man you can't help but to become a part of the industry because you become the industry. You know what I'm saying? It's not like we forcing it.

Like these are people that I actually came up with. Like somebody might see me right now with Craig Melvin and be like man Shalamey and I got so industry to fuck out. Bro, me and Craig Melvin known each other for damn it 20 years. Yes. Like literally.

I don't think that that makes you necessarily industry. I think there's a negative connotation to industry. I do too. But at the same time. I can see why I don't. Yeah, I think they've earned it in a lot of ways. You know, like there could be a negative connotation to, you know, certain news reporting. But a lot of times it can be earned as well.

But I think that it doesn't mean that you're necessarily industry. I think you become industry when your opinions are that of the industry. Boom, absolutely. And as long as you. your opinions are that of yours, then you're good. You can operate within it or outside of it. You're absolutely right, but the audience will never see it

that way. That's fair, but it's not funny to see. Yeah, you know why the audience will never see it that way? Because you may grow, you may evolve. You may not want to approach things the same way that you did. You might have different opinions than you once did. Your mind might have changed. You know what I'm saying? And people would be like, oh, you're PC to God or whatever the fuck it is.

It's like, nah, that's just really how I feel in this moment. Right. You know what I'm saying? Everything don't deserve my attention. Everything don't deserve my energy. Right. Everything don't deserve my motherfucking opinion. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like, the shit bugs me out when I see people on social media and it's like everybody's talking. By the way, if I see everybody talking about the same exact thing, I'm not going to get involved. Right. You know what I'm saying? Why? When I got a podcast? When I got a radio show.

Like, I don't feel the need. I don't have to jump on social media and post something about whatever the fuck it is y'all talking about when I can come on here and really, really talk about it. and give it a few days, you know what I'm saying? Give it a day or two to really digest my thoughts. Make sure my thoughts are mine and not some fucking talking points. I'm echoing because I saw them on fucking Instagram. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. Twitter's a really useless place for opinions, to be honest with you. Let's run through some of Taylor's topics. I really, I really, oh, I got a hot take. Say what? What's that? Amber Geiger. What is that?

Amber Geiger, the ex-cop in Dallas, who was, sentenced to 10 years in prison for the murder of Batham John. Oh yeah, and then her family members have been hugging her and his family and murders are hugging her and stuff like that. Yeah. What you think? I think that I think that it's not up to me to tell them how to like

get past something like this and if that is the way that they do it and that gives them some comfort, I sure as hell I'm not going to be to want to criticize them about it because at the end of day they, They got to deal with the fact that their loved one is gone. Yeah.

So if your coping mechanism is forgiveness and that empowers you to continue moving on with your life, because I know how dark a place I would be if my brother got shot and killed. Yeah, yeah. And I'd probably be looking for any way to get the fuck out of there, you know? So it's like, I don't think that works, bro. That's fair. And if it don't work, they'll learn that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm just not going to be the one to jump and just go, what would you do that? The stupid is. You don't know what's going to help you in that moment. I think that is some shit. The same way we talk about people tell you what to be outraged about, I think that's the way people tell you to get over shit. People say that shit because it sounds good.

Oh, you got to forgive the person. If you forgive them, then you know you're freeing yourself of the hate and yada yada. I don't believe that because emotions are waves, bro. You know what I'm saying? You might do that in the moment and it makes you feel better.

You might wake up that next morning and be like, man, fuck why that motherfucker killed my people. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. So that's not forgiveness. You know what I'm saying? And like, I don't know.

But you're right. I can't tell them how to get over something. But I will say, I don't give a fuck with nobody's thing. What I saw with that judge, what I saw with that bailiff, that was some scraped Stockholm syndrome. Master, we're sick. Master, we're going to jail for 10 years bullshit. Will you tell me when have you ever seen a judge come off a bench

and hug somebody they just sentenced? When? And give them a Bible? That's why she's being investigated now. Because there's no way that shit is. fucking ethical. And I don't know if it's illegal. But I would think that if I'm a judge on the stand, right?

And at the end of the sentence thing, I give them a hug and a Bible. You were biased. So how do we know you really gave this person what they deserved to get? Well, she doesn't decide, right? The jury decides. She gave the sentence. She gave the sentence, don't she? The jury decided guilt.

Guilty, yeah. And so jury decides guilt. Judge gives the sentence. How do we know that the judge giving her 10 years was actually what she was supposed to get. You think that she should have gotten more years potentially. For murder? Yeah.

Right. You walk in somebody's fucking house and they just minding their business, eating ice cream, and you shoot them? Right. And the fact that the judge was saying that we could consider a castle doctrine. Now, I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary. I'm not going to sit in and try to act like an attorney.

But last time I checked, Castle Doctrine applies to the homeowner, not the intruder. Got a fucking the intruder. Get Castle Doctrine in somebody else's house. I don't know enough. about the story. I didn't follow it that much. The only thing I know is that her argument was she thought she was walking into her

apartment and they live in the same building, right? I've done that. I'm just telling you, Taylor. I'm just telling you, Taylor. No, no, no, no, you can, but just let me get out what I'm trying to say. She thought she walked into the wrong apartment. So I've been, I've been in situations where I was, this has happened to me in Australia. I thought that I was on the third floor of the hotel. I was actually on the fifth.

floor. I've gone to my girl's house and I pushed the wrong button on, I thought it was the 11th floor, not the 13th floor, or whatever the fuck it was. And I've gone and tried to open the door. I've knocked on the door. I've tried to figure out why the fucking I've, in my this is crazy, in my own apartment building.

I'm not going to say what floor I live on, but I went to a different floor and the door was open. And I walked right in to that apartment that was my exact line of apartment. but it was on a different floor.

And I walked right into the apartment and I'm looking around. I'm like, it's dark. Wait for it. It's dark. It's the same setup as mine because structurally all the apartments look the same. It's the exact same setup and I'm looking around. It's dark so I can't really see anything.

But I'm like, why the fuck did I leave my door? But I didn't leave it open. And I walk in and I look at the thing and I realize it's not my apartment letter. And I'm like, oh shit, I go out. All I'm saying is I can believe walking into the wrong apartment easily because I've done it. pulling a gun out and shooting somebody, that's a totally different situation.

Exactly. That's why I said she's lying. First of all, in the story, she was sexting someone that was married or something like that. And I'm just saying that's, she's saying like she, that's how she got confused. She walked into the wrong apartment. How I look at it is, like you said, why you're thinking to yourself, why is my door locked or right that? It's not the same interior design. Nothing like, why would you just shoot him?

It takes a lot to pull out a gun. Exactly. Stand over somebody and shoot. them. And they said the way the bullet hit the guy, clearly somebody was standing over him. So at some point in him saying, yo, what the fuck? You're in the wrong apartment, whatever, whatever. You had enough time to be like, oh shit. But you're also looking for something, though. You could tell, you go in someone's apartment wherever he was sitting at. Was he on the sofa or something like that? Okay. You can tell it's not your apartment though.

Listen, I'm, to be honest with you, I'm over that. I'm over that part of the situation. What bothers me the most of this whole case is watching them hug her in the courtroom as if she was a fucking victim. Ain't that much forgiveness in the world. The father, the father saying, hey, I want to be friends with you. Bro, that is some fucking, that is some slave Stockholm syndrome shit, bro. I want to be friends with you, Schultz? Neither of us were in the, neither of us were in the courtroom, right?

Realistically, nobody in this room right now knows anything about that case. Let's be honest. All we know about the case is what we're told to know, which was these people are forgiving the woman that killed their son and brother, and we look at that as a sign of weakness. So, forgiveness is one thing. Right. With the hugs.

You know, the father said, I want to be your friend. How do you want to invite the person that killed your son over for dinner? I don't, I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could do it. Again, I don't know how I would cope with a crazy situation like that. That's the fucking up things of the world. By the way, once again, you know how we talk about Twitter? And we talk about people making you feel like you got to feel.

feel a certain way. Yeah. Maybe they're not allowing themselves to feel. Maybe they're not allowing themselves to really go through their emotions. Maybe they're not allowing themselves to grieve. They're stifling it with forgiveness. They don't even know. Yeah, they don't know what they truly feel.

They're just, they're reading all the Bible scriptures, they're reading the affirmations, and they're reading to the positive quotes. And they're just like, okay, maybe if we just be positive, the sadness will go away, it won't. So, yeah, no. It won't. You're 100%. Because it's not bringing that man back.

100% be the case. I don't know. I'm not exactly sure about it. I just know I don't know enough about the case. And if you're a fucking grieving person, I don't know how to tell you how to deal with that. I can't tell you how to grieve. And I'm not, by the way, this has,

this really has nothing to do with the family, even though it's like, damn, I'm looking at the feeling like, wow, you know. You don't think they were trying to get some pussy? Hey, shut up, man. This guy's so stupid. You don't think a little bit. You don't think a little bit that. Hey, white women will always be black men's kryptonite in some places.

I'm just saying they'd look into her on trial. In some places. She's coming in all done up. You know what? In some places. You know what I mean? They've been watching the trial for a few weeks or whatever long it is. Listen.

Mind you, this happened last year, though, right? What I'm saying is that he knows she's going away for a while. She didn't want a little something right before. I think white women crying makes everybody uncomfortable. Say again? I think white women crying makes everybody uncomfortable. Makes me fright. Exactly.

That's why I say, I don't think nobody's comfortable when they see a white woman crying. When you see a white woman crying, you feel like you're about to get in trouble. I forgive you. I forgive you. Yes, I'm sorry. Stoppa said. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm dead serious. I'm dead assing. When you see her, when they saw, yo, look, one of the bailiffs, the black woman bailiff was rubbing her hair to comfort her. Like my nigger. She was brushing her hair. I didn't see the brush now.

I saw her brush her hair. I didn't see all that. I saw her rubbing the hair. I'm like, this stuff, she killed somebody. You don't think she was brushing her hair like, listen, you're not going to need this. You could sell it to me.

You don't think, you know, you don't need this in jail. Why not? This hair. the end of the day. It's nice and straight. India's hair is white. That's honestly how I felt. When I saw that, I'm like, that's some bullshit.

Yo, the judge... They were using her for parts. No, now, hold on. The judge is using it for her hand. Now, I'm going to tell you one other thing I thought... One other thing I thought, I was like, we're making fun of the brother. You know what I'm saying?

When I'm making fun of them, but we're judging the brother. I think they're Haitian, bro. They are Haitian. I think he might have just wanted to get close enough Get a little hair. It's on. It's on, baby.

A little hug. You go feel some pinching. Give it the grandma. That's it. It's on, baby. Give it to grandma. Son, that's like you can sleep on this yet. Grandma got that hair in a puff.

Oh, oh. We'll be friends one day. Hey, hardest 10 years of your life. I'm going to make this 10 years harder for you. I'm just saying. Just to play white devil's advocate. I forgive you, but the puppet won't.

Hey. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Bro, it's a voodoo doll hustle. They knew exactly what they was doing the whole time. Yo, I'm telling you, one of the OGs... And he didn't get the hair and he looked at the judge like, do what you need to do?

No, one of the OGs in the family said, look, I just need you to get a little piece of her hair. That's sad. And we... That's right. We could handle this sentencing. There you go. Oh, you thought it was 10 years.

There you go. The second she'd come out, the puppet. The tree began. It begins. That shit gonna be happening in jail. She's gonna go mad in jail. Fat? She's gonna go mad in jail.

Watch. You're gonna hear a story in about a year to she's in a psychiatric ward and everybody's gonna be like, oh, now she's playing crazy because she's trying to get out. No. Little hug.

I'm telling you. Maybe. Maybe. If it's not that, then it's just plain, you know, Stockholm syndrome. Okay.

I got a wild little conspiracy for you. Talk to me. Okay. So, okay, here we go. I got to be out of here in like five minutes. I think this will take three. Okay.

Maybe take a little bit longer, but maybe sure. All right. You know how they're telling us about aliens? Yeah. Okay. So they dropped that video where the U.S. Navy says, hey, the aliens exist. Not exists, but the UFO's videos were real.

Yes. And we don't know what those things are. They're unidentified flying objects. They might be UFOs. They might not be. Right? Mm-hmm. Okay.

You know how Trump started Space Force? Yes. It was Trump the one that started that? Yeah. Okay. Yes. Right. So it's basically, we need a space force.

We need a force for... We need Avengers. Thanos is coming. Some is coming. Bob Lazar is on Joe Rogan podcast, talking about Area 51. All these things are kind of happening at the same time. Right? There's all this Mars talk.

Been going on. Been going on. Years. I think they're there. Okay, fair enough. And it's possible. Do you think it's possible? This is super conspiratorial.

But the billionaires that run the world, outside of the United States, like we're talking about the billionaire elite class that really makes shit happen. Do you think they're like, look, we're far too divided. We hate each other too much. instead of having a third world war where we all fight each other, should we fake an alien attack, convince all the people on Earth that there is an outside source

that could threaten the United States, could threaten all the people on Earth. Ronald Reagan said that in the 80s. He said that when he said, he said he had a meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev and he told him, he said, look, man, you know, we're so busy warring with each other. But what if we were faced with extraterrestrials? So you don't think that they could possibly fake another attack.

They've already been planting the seeds of UFOs. They've been planting the seeds of aliens. They've been planting the seeds of us being out there in the world or other things being out there in the world. They fake an alien attack. And then all of a sudden, U.S. and Russia and U.S. in the Middle East and China, all of a sudden we stop beefing with each other. And we start beefing with this fake enemy that's in the sky that they just invented.

Is that a possibility? I'm not mad at that. That's definitely a possibility. I thought about something yesterday. And I think the reason that they're slowly but surely telling us about, you know, UFOs and extraterrestrial. They're going to start telling us about extraterrestrials and they're going to tell us eventually life exists is because I think Earth is a lease, bro. And the lease is run out. I think the lease is up.

We can't run it back. This is a fucking lease. I think that there's a power. There's powers out there greater than us. Life forms out there greater than us. And this is a fucking lease. They have given us, you know, all the tools we need to survive. They've given us everything that we need to thrive.

They've given us everything. Everything that we could possibly have to be a functioning civilization all throughout the world, they've given it to these creatures called humans. I think the lease is up. That's why I think the earth is rebelling. That's why all that's climate change and global warming and all that shit like that. I think the lease is fucking up. And they come in to collect.

So that's my take on it. Who is they? Aliens, extraterrestrials. Oh, so you do believe that they're. they're truly here and ready to go. I've always thought they were here. I've never thought they were here. I've always thought they were here.

I've always thought they were here in some way, shape, or form. I've always thought that they've, I've always thought they've monitored us in some way, shape, or form. I think that, I think that they're very aware of us, but most of us aren't aware of them.

But the ones that should know in certain positions in the world do know that they absolutely exist. The people that know, no, and it'll be the right time. And it's funny because, like, I had these conversations with my boy Frosty all the time, and we talk about, like,

yo, it'd be impossible for them to travel X, Y, Z. And I'm like, yo, the only reason you feel that way is because you're thinking based off human scale. Human scale. Yeah, yeah.

These people probably so mother, they probably know how to travel time. Who knows? Yeah, you bend time, bend time, yeah, you're talking about alien technology. Every time you find somebody who's Bob Lazier,

when he talks about the spaceships and how the spaceships are built and how they're built to almost like, break the wind. He said it's like putting a bowling ball on a bed. Yeah. They use gravity to propel us.

It's like they're bending the shit. Like clearly they are more advanced than us. You know what I mean? So for me, it's like to sit back and think like, oh, well, now it's not possible because we can't do it. They're not being pushed through the sky. They're being like sucked through the sky. Yeah, he said it's like, he said if you put a bowling ball on a bed on how the

ball ball drops. Right, exactly. So the drop part is in front of the ship. Boom. And the ship is being pulled into the drop. Boom. And that's why they can shift and turn at these amazing angles. Yeah.

Look, it's an interesting time. Where aliens to somebody, bro? Oh, 100%. And think about what we would do if we found some aliens. Yes. But by the way, some people on another planet are like, they only got one dick. They can't believe. I'm serious.

They probably got two and three dicks that they can change all the fucking time. Like, I'm telling you. People are so crazy. Like, when they talk about why aliens would be peaceful, you know, people go, well, why wouldn't they just be peaceful? What's the big deal? It's like, there was. There's a point of time where humans were alien to each other.

Like when Christopher Columbus lands on the Americas, do you think he came through peaceful? Like, yo, what's up? Let's have a picnic. Who is Trump trying to build the wall for? Illegal aliens. That's a hate word. You can't even say that anymore. What aliens?

$250,000 fine in New York. Don't say what? Illegal aliens. Get the fuck out of here. Swear to God. They just Googled that shit. Oh, it's not real. That doesn't even make no sense.

All right. Because Trump would be the person fine the most. Why? Because he married one? Yo, by the way, you know what would separate aliens? Think about this. You know what's separate alien species from all other humans? What if they just used all their brain power?

What if they were capable of using all their brain power? That right there would make them a hundred times more superior than us. If they were capable of using their whole fucking brain, left brain, right brain. How much percent of the brain do humans use, Chris? Imagine if you used 100% of your brain. That right there makes you a superfood. superior fucking life form. Yeah.

So they probably look at it's like, they only use 10% of their brain. So maybe they tapped into that. Okay, here's the last one. And the only reason I'm saying is because I thought of this fucking idea and then it turns out it already exists, but I thought I had a billion dollar idea.

I was thinking about how to save retail, just because all these clothing companies are going out of business, right? Because everybody's just buying shit online. So what is that? In the story. Okay. So here, you know how they have filters that go on your, for like Snapchat or Instagram,

they can actually change the shape of your face. They can add like deer ears or rabbit ears or like eyes, et cetera. So what I was saying, the biggest hiccup for me for buying anything online is I don't know how it will fit on me and how it will look on me, right? So what I wanted to do is use that same filter technology to portray a shirt on your body.

Yeah, you got to get married, bro. Wait for it. Put the shirt on the body, right? and then you can adjust the shirt size based to your body size, and of course your phone would be able to tell exactly how big you are and the cut in size of that shirt.

If you were married, you would know this technology exists. It already exists. Yeah. I know. I'm not doing for haircuts. Oh, but that has been existed with haircuts. The only problem with haircuts

is that haircuts can't calculate how thick your hair is and the texture of your hair, right? But with clothing, it's all about the texture of the shirt, the thickness of the shirt, the pants, etc. So, I mean, I'm so excited by this idea.

I call my VC, who's like, you know, he's in the game, you know, investing all these companies. That comes to them. I got it. I figured it out. We developed this technology and then we license it to all the different clothing companies. It turns out Amazon Echo already developed this fucking shit. Jesus.

No ideas original. Nothing new under the sun, baby. That's smart. Like, that's why we think these motherfuckers are like invention with Google and Amazon. They ain't that fucking smart. No, they are smart. But you know what they're smart enough to do more than anything? What?

Execute. No, no. I love execution. Don't get me wrong. I love execution. I'm just saying, coming up with the idea, like they get paid

every single day to just think of ideas. And I thought of that when I got in a taxi on the way to report Flager too. That's why you should write everything down. Yeah. Write everything down, Schultz.

Yeah. Everything. Treat it like you're jokes, bro. Yeah, you're right. Treat your ideas like you treat your jokes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There's no idea

or premise for a joke that comes in your brain that you don't document somewhere so you can go back and flesh that shit out. Yeah. I do that shit with all my ideas. I get an idea about anything.

I write that shit. I don't care if it's just like one line or something that sparked it. Write it down. You got some heat for me from this week? I definitely got some heat. Oh, what happened this week? I got some heat. What you got?

I got some heat. You got something? Can you share? I'll share with you off here. Oh, is that spicy? Um, that really. I mean, it's really, it's nothing crazy. It's just some interesting things.

But the key is execution. Yeah, yeah. An idea ain't shit but a thought if you don't motherfucking execute on it. Who gives a fuck? I don't care about it. By the way, I used to do that shit to Dilibald all the time. Yeah, yeah, with the shirts. Devalb, you,

oh, so you're not going to put down on a t-shirt? I'm going to do it. Okay, yeah. But that puts a spark in him. I'm about to do the same shit to kill a Mike. Because Killer Mike got two good-ass quotes that he has not put on a motherfucking t-shirt yet. Will it kill your master's?

Well, that's on a t-shirt. You got to kill your master's shirts. The other one is, I married a black woman. Most of my critics did not. That's a motherfucking bar. The other one is, damn, I just texted him that. What was the other one? Hold on.

I'll tell you what the other one is right now. Hold on. That was the mic. Shout to Killer Mike. Fucking treasure out here in these creep. What was the other one Killer Mike said? I'm going to tell you right now. By the way, if you get a chance, go listen to,

go listen to T.I. and Killer Mike on T.I.'s new podcast, which is absolutely probably my favorite new podcast right now. I got to do that. He hit me up about doing that podcast. You should do it, bro. Yeah, I would love to. No, that shit is really, really good.

Damn, I can't find the quote. Where the fuck is the quote, man? I don't know. I find a lady and tell y'all. but go listen to Killer Mike on Ti's podcast man because I thought that shit was amazing

Go listen to Alex Jones Is Wild or what? I'm one of those people that fuck with Alex Jones, bro. Yo, I'm not going to lie, I can't say who said this. But I have on, you know, authority, someone who I trust

said did, he said 80% of what Alex Jones talks about is right. I'm going to tell you this. And I told TI this. I was with TI yesterday. 80%. Yeah, day before.

I said tip, let me say something. Minus 79. I believe everything he says about the government. You guys are wild, man. Bro, he's not saying nothing that black inter rights haven't been saying. Read Behold the Pale Horse. I'm very familiar with Behold the Pale Horse. I think that you, no, in a lot of shit they try.

Alex Jones got his start as a guy who was an accolate of the author of Hold the Pale Horse. He was showing up to Waco. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's where he got to start. Oh, yeah. You should bring in Mark Jacobson, who just wrote the definitive book. That's my guy.

About Behold the Pale Horse. No, let's bring in Alex Jones. And talks a lot about Alex Jones in his new book. Let's bring in Alex Jones. So please, by all means, have Mark on the self. Listen, I have no problem with it. And just watch Chris shit himself the entire thing. Oh, you're already free, act like it.

That's the other slogan. You already free. Act like it. That should be on a T-shirt. Listen, I just think Alex be telling the truth about a lot of the shit that goes on in the government. I can't speak on nothing else. I'm not talking about Sandy Hook shit and all of that, which he says they lied on him

about. I don't know. He said he never said that. He said he never said that it was a false flag. He said he never said it was fake. He said he never said that. I don't know if that's true or not. But all I'm saying is a lot of shit he'd be talking about when it comes to like the food industry and the way wars are started and why wars are started and who people work for

and who's really controlling shit. I think he's telling the truth. And I'm going to tell you why else I think he's telling the truth. He's doing a wild disservice by even giving this guy. Keep going. Why would they ban him? You don't get shut down for being wrong. Why would they ban him? You get shut down for being right.

Chris, they banned him, Chris. I'm talking about, they ban you from YouTube, social media. Like, why are they trying to shut him up so much? Why? Yes, because he's not the only person out there saying wild shit. Unfortunately, people are listening to him. But he's not the only one. Can't even say he's like, he's not the only person saying wild shit, bro.

He's beyond why. Chris has never listened. Chris has never listened to a single podcast. Of course I have. Listen to Alex on Joe Rogan. No, no, no, no. And listen to Alex on TI podcast. Please, please don't, don't even enable this.

He's never listened to a single interview. He's never listened to a single podcast. I don't think you have, Chris. He never listened to us, read a single book or anything like that. What did you listen to? I've listened to his podcast. Which one? Which episode?

I don't remember. Come on, bro. You ain't listen to shit. You know you're not listening to shit. You formed your opinion. No, no, no, no. is what they tell you to think. It's exactly what we were telling it saying earlier.

You were saying what they told you to think. I think Alex Jones says a lot of bullshit and shit I don't agree with. But he also says a lot of shit. Well, I think he's absolutely right. By the way, that's me with most people. I was just about to say most people would describe their relationship with you that way. Exactly. That's me with most people.

So I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm listening to Alex Jones like, damn. And I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just saying like, that's a great point. Like, yo, I need to do some research. research into that. Oh, God damn, that sounds like it could possibly be true. And once again, I don't think they're trying to ban and shut down the motherfuckers who

aren't saying something they don't want you to hear. Exactly. Look, guys, come on. You formed an opinion about me. Please bring in Mark Jacobson. That's my guy. I know. That's what I'm saying.

We've had Mark on before. Who wrote a really good book about William Cooper, who's the author of Behold a Pale Horse, who I wrote a very long article about about 15 years ago. I've done a ton of research into Cooper. Alex Jones is part of that scene. And so do you agree with some of the stuff that's meant Behold the Pell Host? I mean, I think there's germs of truth that,

I mean, do I think the government's trying to conceal stuff? Absolutely. I don't doubt any of that stuff. Okay, so I think, I mean, look, but when you listen to what Mark has to say and Mark traveled to Arizona, he spent a lot of time around the scenes, he interviewed tons of people. unfortunately just a lot of it is complete fucking bullshit.

It might be. You know, Cooper was a wild out of control alcoholic who made up all sorts of shit. 90% of that shit is fake. Alex Jones is essentially a performance artist who realized that he could say certain things that would get a rise out of people. And does that mean I don't think you should question the government? Absolutely not. I think the government lies about shit every day.

Do I think that those guys revealed something or, no. It's fucking bullshit. I'm gonna sit here and say, Chris, I probably do tend to agree with you, but I'm gonna also say, boy, that shit he's saying is entertaining. And I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. He sounds so fucking well researched.

Just here's a question. Yes. Is it possible that anything, any of the things he says, all right? You said germs. I mean, is he talking about issues in the food industry and how it's being manipulated? Yes. You know, 90% of the shit he says is in Behold the Pale Horse, and I didn't even know that.

I just said that. 90% of Behold the Pale Horse is bullshit, unfortunately. I wanted Behold of Behold of Pale Horse to be true. But Chris, we don't know if it's true. Let's go back. Let's go back. So there's a chance that there's a chance that some of the stuff he says is true. Or none of it's true. I would, if I had to argue without having listened to every single podcast of his,

guessing the vast, vast, vast majority of his shit. So you don't think it's 60-foot praying mantis people at the border? I don't think they fucking fake the bunch of kindergartners getting killed. He said he never said that. I don't know if that's true. But yeah, I don't agree with that. I don't know why the fuck he had llamas in his studio the other day. You know, like...

Lamas? He had some... Michael Jackson walked around with llamas all the time. Nobody questioned it. Where he brought in llamas the other day? Why is the llama's the problem? He's a charismatic performance artist, in my opinion. Michael Jackson had llamas, fucking bubbles.

Giravs, nobody said shit. Yeah, he's just trying to ball out, pro. I think, Chris, you mad you can't afford a llama, bro. Real talk, man. That's what that shit sounds like to me, Chris. I'll let him breathe.

But seriously, if he's somebody that you seriously... Yeah, we're bringing on Alex Jones. Are interested in. Let's bring him Mark. You should listen to him on Ti-I podcast. She was very interesting. All right. You guys will tell me how it goes when he comes in.

What if we bring Alex and Mark in at the same time? Yeah, bring Mark in. You guys trust Mark, right? That's my guy. I don't know Mark. Mark's good. You know, Mark, O.G. Mark, man. He did that. He did that. He did that. He did that. He did that. Yeah, he did the New Yorker piece on me back in the day.

Oh, Mark. Yeah, Mark. Yeah, Mark Jacobson. Yeah, no. Literally just wrote a book about this. About Alex Jones. We had him all. Well, Alex Jones is a character in it. Bill Cooper is the main feature. I went to his, you know, book signing at the Strand. Me and him had lunch. I've read the book.

Like, we've had a lot of discussions about it. I'm not just throwing this shit out there. Like, I've actually done a fair amount of research. And he's saying that Alex is making shit up. Absolutely. He says Bill Cooper did, too. I don't know who Bill Cooper is. Bill Cooper's the author of Behold the Pale Horse. And Mark did a ton of research. He went.

What if Mark got paid heavily by the government just to fucking, I don't know. Throw shit on their name so nobody listens to them? You don't think that happens? You don't think the government has people working for them? Pretty sure that Mark is not on the payroll of the CIA. Dude, it's called controlled opposition. Come on, bro. That's how it works.

I don't think Mark doesn't scrape me of that type of person, but it's possible. Some people say that's what Farrakhan is. No way. Some people say. Absolutely. I'm not saying that that's the case, but some people say, hey, the reason why he's allowed to say all this shit is because certain groups need a bad guy so they can point at. They can be like, see, look, see. I think Farrakhan is allowed to say all of this stuff because he's powered by God.

Okay? Because God will not allow anything to happen to the minister and the government knows if they lay a hand on Minister Farrakhan. It will be hell to pay and everything that's in behold, the Pell Horse will come fucking true. Okay? Listen. Asalam al-a-lake him. That's what Jeffrey Epstein thought. They needed to get people out of it and they get people to fuck out of here, bro.

Jeffrey wasn't doing nothing but fucking little girls and boys. Was he fucking... Was he? That's the reason I... How crazy is that that story's done? We don't even care. But listen, the only reason Jeffrey Epstein is dead. And I don't want nobody to take it out of context when I said he was only fucking little girls and boys.

What I meant by that is that is the way of a lot of those billionaires. That's why they killed Jeffrey Epstein. They didn't want Jeffrey Epstein to be the motherfucking whistleblower. And do you know who probably would talk about that and probably been talking about that? Who? Alex Jones. Oh, Alex Jones?

I didn't hear Mark talk about that. Shit, because Mark was on that island. And Mark might have been on that island, bro. All right, let's get the fuck out of here. Thank you, Ryan Holiday, for pulling up on us. I don't know where Duane is going to insert that in this podcast. We gave him over two hours today. I came late.

I'm sorry. I thought we were recording a 10. So if it's a little out of order, we kind of start with us. And then Ryan's in, and then he leaves and then comes back and I'm not there. But it is what it is, baby. And we're sorry we're at day late, man. We've been running around. I was in L.A. this weekend.

Just doing what I was doing. I'm on the way to Atlanta now. So we're going to name this podcast, lateness is the key. Ooh. Okay? Lateness is the key. Andrew was in Australia. Yes.

You're working, baby, but you know. Better late than clever. Hey, huh? Yeah. That sounds good. Okay. But as always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit and neither is Alex Jones, you're right too.

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