The Brilliant Idiots - MEN TOO Feat. Jas Waters (JasFly)

Episode Date: January 18, 2018

This week Andrew Schulz and Charlamagne Tha God are joined by Jas Waters (@JasFLy) and discuss sexual consent, #MenToo movement, Andrew gets some things off his chest about the Aziz Ansari situation, and Jas Waters talks about the moment that changed he life, writing for TV, and more!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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all right now first brilliant this in 2018 with us together yo man it's good to see you I missed you bro yeah because when you're not here they say the show sucks when I'm not here

they say the show sucks they need us they need us but it's weird to me this is the stupidest shit I see on talk to me when they say the show's not the same

when y'all both not dead duh duh y'all are observant you know that's one thing we got giving up to brilliant You are very observant.

That's a hot take for your ass, that damn it. But if you know anything about the brilliant Natives, if we had to do Brillion Nidius trivia, and I said, who was the first guess on the first episode of Brilliant Idiots ever? Could you guess that? The Oracle.

I want to give you all a second. Go to your sound clouds right now. Yeah, it's on SoundCloud. Go to SoundCloud right now. iTunes. And I'll know within the first five minutes if you got it right. Do you know the name of the episode?

I know the name of that episode. Drop it. The Star, Shame. Enterprise, great fucking name. Yes. But Jazz Fly is here, ladies, you got to me. Hey. Hey.

I don't know if you want... I didn't adjust my mic prior to. I'm unprepared for this. No, you're golden. Now, do we call you by your full name because you're... Jazz Waters. You don't want Jazz Fly. I mean, I'm indifferent.

Yeah. Yeah. It's Jazz water. Jazz. I know we're not objectifying women in 2018. Uh-huh. But I think that you look absolutely ravishing. That's not objectifying.

It is. Oh, you said ravishing. That's a war. You said, look nice. Yeah. Ravishing is like, you look like a meal. You know what I'm here? By the way, can you call women snacks in 2018?

Hell yeah. That's a snack. Do you know what I mean? That's the food groups. That's the whole pyramid right there. The food court. In the mall. I'm not partaking in this.

But I just need to get it out so we can have normal, you know what I mean? So we've cleared the air. It's like what do those people have Tourettes? Once they get it out, they have normal conversation. That's it. So I just have my little. Louis C.K. could have just did that

just jerking off. No, that's very good. They clear the air. He could just say, hey, you're good. Louis had to jerk off everywhere to clear the air. But what if he could just do a one pump and then we out? But Jazz Waters, the reason I said her full name is because, you know, over the past year, jazz, you've got a lot of writing credits.

Boom. Thank you. A lot. Let me see. Let me think about it. This is us. Yeah. On NBC.

Great. Great show. You're the, you're the reason for America's tears? No. Is that? No. Definitely not.

People be, let me tell you something. This is what we're doing. All right. I got friends in my, no, no joke. Like, I have friends in mine that have, like,

these are pretty, like, tough guys, I would say. Mm-hmm. They, like, talk to me about this show. They go, listen, let me tell you some of shows. Don't watch this show with your girl. Don't watch this show with your,

because she will see a side of you that she's not prepared. to see. Why is this such a tearjerker? Yo. Dan Fogelman. It hits on every, something's wrong with everybody on the show. The worst case, I mean, it is like, maybe it taps into some kind of empathy, there's some

humanity that we all got inside that we blocked. I don't know what it is. Oh, my. What do you think, Jazz? You're in the writer's room. I was. You was? Yeah.

It is just honest storytelling. It's who we are. We're all fucked up. We're all really complicated. nobody's family is perfect. And it's telling a really honest story about what's wrong with us, but it's what's wrong with us. It actually unites us.

So it taps in. And it, like, touches on little shit that everybody either they deal with or, like, they have a relative or a friend or something deal. So it becomes like this interesting, almost like personal. It feels like a 30 for 30. Every once the ESPN shit. That's a dope comparison. Yeah, because every 30 for 30, I don't care what is about I'm crying.

It could be about Rick Flair banging 20,000 women. And by the end of it, I'm like, damn, this guy's all that. 30 for 30 is. about people. The lens is just sports. But it's, and that's, yeah. And that's the beauty of, like, if you, if you capture a lens, if you get the right lens, you could tell a story about anything. Exactly.

Like, you got men getting emotional watching these stories. Dan Fogelman. Dude, but that's always been the best art, right? The best art comes from a real place, right? Based off real events. I mean, you know, we were crying in the writer's room. I, you know, you spill your guts, you tell your

stories, and then they find their way on screen. That's why they'll never get a Tupac movie right. Why? Because Tupac's real life was better than anything that you could actually put on paper and have somebody script out and act. What you mean? What you mean? Like I've seen the Tupac.

What was that documentary call where he used his voice and narrated himself. Which I thought was actually really good. When you said that, Jan just cracked her knuckles. She was like, say what? I have, who can't crack up? I have no interest in a Tupac movie. But that doc was so good. It was so great.

Exactly. The other thing is you don't need anybody to play Tupac. No. Let him play himself. That's where you fuck up every time. I didn't think the FX. Listen, I didn't think the FX OJ thing was as good as the doc, the 30 for 30. This is where I get off the train.

Listen, I liked it, but it wasn't good for it. Two different stories. You think? Yes. What was the difference? Because the doc was about OJ. The FX People versus OJ was about the trial. The trial.

Okay, got you, got you. Yeah. So it's two very different stories. Whoa, whoa, maybe there's something to that. So if you're doing the story, if you're doing a scripted, you can't tell it about the man. You got to hone in. If you're doing something scripted, you have to contain it.

There has to be a beginning, middle, and end. It can't just be, this is everything. It's got to be one story within the life of said person. Ooh, and that's why the Tupac shit fucks up because they try to do too much. Because they try and tell the entire story. They try to do the doc. Whereas it's like, listen, no, just give me one night. You can make two hours out of one night.

The night he died. That's it. What is the beginning, middle end of this night? Or the rape night. Because it could have been about betrayal because those are all his people. So here's my question. Why don't, and we've had this discussion about like Marvel films and stuff like this. Why is it that the people that are in power don't understand these things?

Why do these same mistakes? Because they're not creative. Yeah. It's show business. It's not, you know. So these are just guys who are proficient with making money, but not with, you know, maybe writing. or not creative. Creators.

Creators. So the guy who founded Marvel Studios, which I'm really blanking on his name, but blaming on fatigue and respect. No, that's not a studio. The studio of it. When they decided they were going to start, I can't believe I can't remember that's his name.

But he told us basically what he did. He said, I'm going to lay out all of the superheroes that I personally love, and I'm going to take all of their films, and I'm going to put them in genres. So Thor was a dark comedy. Deadpool.

We spoke about this in Western Bros. Logan is a Western. Logan is Man on Fire with Wolverine. Hot. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What they took and they took the characters out of their world and put them in genres and now we have these films. So it all comes down to storytelling. It's can you tell a story? Can you make it engaging? Can you touch people? Can you hone in? What's it called? What's that movie? Deadpool? Yeah. Deadpool is like. It's a dark comedy. Yeah, it's like super bad.

It could have been in Kevin Smith movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mall Cup, not MallCop. What was the one about the... Chase and Amy. All those, yeah. Yeah, all those, yeah. There's this thing where it's only like four genres of films.

Like, there's only four they do, like they do westerns, they do comedies. I forgot, I forgot. Yeah, it's the whole idea that there's really you could tell a story in I think it's six different ways. Six different ways. I think. Yo, I almost... I don't know. Part of me almost doesn't want to show.

this with people. I think we should, but like, you ever... Are you gay? Are you coming out? I like cocks all over me. Depends the color of the cock. So... I always want someone to come out.

So I'm so excited. No, but like, you ever see that, like, a YouTube video? It's like these kind of musical comedians that show how every pop song has the same three chords. So there's something to be said about that with storywriting, right? Like, yeah. And most of us just go, myself included, go into a movie and we watch Star Wars. We're like, oh, this is such a fun movie to watch without realizing that there is like a structure to the hero's journey or whatever, these type of things.

And I worry that if I know it too well, it will affect the way I indulge in movies. Oh, that's jazz. Oh, that's all day. I know that's jazz all day. And that's why I'm interested in having you hear it. 600 BC, an ancient Chinese warrior at the end of a battle stumbles onto the Great Wall of China and he climbs his way up and he sits there and he contemplates life and what his journey was for and what he just fought for and all the soldiers that he killed. And then at his very last moment, he said, I got it wrong. And he fell off onto the ground and he cracked open.

That's Humpty Dumpty Dumpty. I was thinking the same thing. That's crazy. You can tell anything in any way as long as you know what the story is. But does it, okay, here's my question to you. Knowing the Matrix, right? Does it affect you when you're watching the movie?

Do you go, oh, I know it's happening now. I see this coming. Yeah. It's stuff that I've loved that I've called jazz. And she ruins it. I'm like, I ruin everything. What the fuck? I do.

I ruin everything. On low-key, like with comedy, I kind of feel that way. Like I see the, the, the, the, the, I know the nuance of, like, structure and bits, and people who think, oh, my God, this bit is absolutely fantastic. Whatever. It's like, yeah, but I saw it come in. I knew where they were going on.

Did you see Shepal's joke coming? Did you watch Chappelle's festival yet? Oh, wait, I haven't seen it. Oh, I'm sorry. I haven't seen it. Yes. You saw I coming? Come on.

I can't. I can't. I can't. I haven't seen it. That shit was funny as fuck. It was hilarious still. I knew. I knew what it was going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, stand up is the last, like, place that surprises me. For, oh. Like stand-up surprise. Why? I mean, nobody's pushing the envelope anymore. Nobody's trying to do anything new.

No, no, no. I think she means like she's still, she doesn't see a comic. I will go watch stand-up and I can just fall into it. Yeah, versus like if I'm watching something on screen or if I'm reading something, I know where it's going. You and I are opposites. Because drama is what I'm drawn to because comedy, it's too close. I write both. You see it all the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the same with the story is story. Yeah. You make it funny. It's a comedy. You make it touching. It's a drama. You make it scary.

It's horror, genre. So what's the last good thing you've seen that you was like, wow? It's-I-Tanya. Was he that good? The Tanya Harding, the figure theater chick. I love it, it is. But we know how that ends. It's not about how it ends.

It's how it all occurred. Got you. Yeah. That's what makes it very intriguing. So she took a day or something. They didn't do the whole drawn out. No, they took. This is how Nancy Kerrigan ended up fucked up.

Okay. Yeah. With that said, is there anything fictional that somebody can create to intrigue people anymore? Real life is better than fiction. That's what I'm saying. Real life is far more intriguing. You know who? Duck Dynasty changed the game, you know.

Why you say that? So I had a conversation with the people at A&E about Duck Dynasty. And I was like, yo, listen, I understand why people are drawn to the show. And she kind of like smirks and she's like, she said, why do you say that? And I go, it's just a sitcom, but all of a sudden my expectations are really low because it's a reality show, even though it's not, but I have really low expectations. But the funny is just as funny as any script on sitcom because I'm sure you guys script this stuff. They have table reads with this thing. Exactly, right?

But the audience is suspending disbelief. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like, oh, no, this is real. So you have low expectations, high reward, right? And then we had that, she's like, she's like, absolutely. She goes, I go, now how do you do that with drama? And she goes, that's what we're trying to do. And it's very difficult because what happens in a drama?

People die. People get shot. People get abortions, right? She's like, how do you do that on TV? Easy. A few years later. Live PD. I don't know.

I was thinking live PD. Because live PD is drama. You just do it live. Like it's live in real time. That's the police show. Yeah. And I think on some level. First 48 and all of those things.

And it's like how do it's, and it's difficult for somebody in your position who's writing both drama and comedy. How do you compete with how fucked up reality is? is when their expectations are this low and yours are this high? So I was working in development in 2003 through 2006. So I was in Hollywood on the other side when reality TV boomed. And it was putting scripted sort of out of the game. And it's exactly what you said.

It's that you got to hone in on a version of real life that was far more intriguing than something that someone made. made up, even though this is also made up. I think what's happening now is because real life is stressful as fuck. You know, like... We want a break? Yes, we want a break from our crazy lives, our neighbor's crazy lives, from Trump, from the weather, from global warming. Like, we're exhausted.

And now is the time to go back to the land of make-believe. Fantasy. Yeah. Fantasy is... Marvel. Fantasy represents hope. Yes. It's the idea of what could be.

I totally see it. We want to get lost. We want to get lost in this world that's not that related. One of the beautiful things about Bright, I don't know how you felt about Bright. I felt that either way Will won because you watched it just to see how bad it was or you watched it because you're like Will,

but either way you watched it. Floyd Mayweather. Netflix has never released the numbers for anything, but they did for Bright. It's like someone count your pockets and you finally go, fuck it. Here's the base. Here it is, motherfucker.

But I like when reality and fantasy are combined. Like, you know, especially like you say the world we live in now. Well, let me show you what the world would look like if we actually did have a woman president. I like Will Packer and Aaron Magruder got that Black America show coming out. What would happen if black people had reparations? Like, I think that's the next wave to me. Yeah. It's a cool fantasy.

We get to suspend disbelief for a moment and live in this world where, like, things can be dramatic, but they don't have the same weight. because I know it's not happening to me. It's that edgy political satire. It's a way to, it's subversive. It's where it used to be. Richard Pryor had a television show that lasted one season, and he opened his monologue with, I think it was, if it wasn't the monologue, it was right after a sketch in a boat,

where literally it was talking about how, with the boat is sinking, black people are always going to be last. And it was, it was so subversive, and it was comedy, and it was edgy, and it was on NBC. Yeah. So I think we're returning to that place of let me make you uncomfortable because you're already uncomfortable,

but at least this way I can make you laugh so that I can make you think. I don't know how we got away from it, because you think about stuff that Norman Lear was doing with the Jefferson's and all in the family. Think about the equity that Richard Pryor had to get away with that. And what was this, the 80s or something? This was 84. It was a fight, though, because if you ever read Paul Mooney's book,

they used to have to fight for all that. He created the time delay for Richard Price. Yeah. Because of Richard Pryor because Lauren Michaels wanted him on S&L. Like he, yeah. We owe Richard so much. Think about that equity, man. in the 80s, motherfuckers were like, fine, just put it out.

Fine. We trust them. We love him. He had to fight for it. I remember you ever read the story? I think it was a Paul Money book. He wanted to do the nude promo. Yeah. But he wanted his dick cut off. Great. Go! But they let him do it. Yeah. But he had to fight for that shit. Go. Those, you've seen the show, right?

The Rich Pryor. Yeah. That all of that is what I think, like, when I saw that press release, that's what I was thinking of, of the Aaron and Will thing. Like, Aaron Ruger is that guy who can do it. And Will has that platform. And it's like, I want to go back to that. Let's make people uncomfortable. Bro, the Boondocks is the greatest show that nobody puts in their top three for it every reason.

The first three seasons of the boondocks are some of the best television. I don't give a fuck if it's animated or not. And he pushed the envelope. Like last night I was looking for boondocks on Netflix, but it's not on there anymore. So I could let my daughter watch the Martin Luther King episode. Honestly. Like, how would King react if he was alive right now?

Because it was just that good. So question, is it able to push the envelope that much because not that many eyes are on it? I think it was because it was a cartoon. Well, I think cartoon definitely has to play with it. But if it's the marquee cartoon that everybody's talking about and then they start pushing shit, now you get Twitter complaining,

now you get Instagram complaining, now you get the blogs talking about it. But if nobody's talking about, there is a freedom. Boonduct was a little before Twitter. And it started with Madhite. Yeah. Because it came from a comic book that was actually out. Yeah, I remember.

I would look at the strip, right? It was a comic strip. Yeah. The cartoon of it helped it, and I think it also contained it because just from a production standpoint, when you're dealing with, first of all, anything with kids,

real-life kids, you got a season before they look different. And then you have to tell different stories. That's true. Versus if it's a cartoon, your actors are stationary and you can continue to tell the same stories. The flip side to that is that they're not growing. So even if the point of view changes, the show will start to feel a little bit of stasis because the actors themselves don't change. They look the exact same.

One of the greatest things to do is to pick a series you love and go back and watch the pilot and watch it all the way through. when you see how the show changes with the world and the time and how the actors dress different and fashion changes and music changes. Well, a cartoon, The Simpsons has been the same since the beginning. And so when you sign

up, if you're still watching The Simpsons, you are eating the same meal on purpose. You know what you're going to get. The only difference of the jokes. So I think that it helped it, but it also sort of contained it. Yeah, because I want Bart to get some pussy. I mean, I like, yeah. But Barton's in fourth grade. That's what I'm saying. Like, let Bart grow up to get

some pussy. Like, I like when they show Bart is an adult and he got a family now. Like, I feel like he deserves that. Yeah, but that, you know what it is? You can't tell me they wouldn't have loved Bart by high school. Bad boy, you know what I'm saying? Skate Boy. Oh, yeah.

Goffey. You know what I'm saying? He'd had a rap career by high school. You can't tell me they wouldn't have loved Bart in high school, man. Why would have had the hose? I didn't mean to say hosts. But maybe there is a funny flash-forward episode with The Simpsons. They did one.

Oh, they did one. I mean, they've done everything in The Simpsons. I feel like, yeah, I don't know. It is interesting to look at cartoon. We always talk about Brits. an idiot's doing a cartoon with it because We're going to do it. We're going to do it eventually.

I don't know when we're going to do it. But it's one of those things where I think Charlemagne pointed out really well. It's like we have quite edgy content. Right. And it's one of those things when you see it acted out as people. All of a sudden it's like, oh my God, is that really happening? Yeah.

But there's something about having four fingers and being a cartoon that makes it not as sexist, not as homophobic, not as racist, not as anything, right? there's something that makes it cartoonish. If Peter Griffin says something offensive, you want to take that up with Peter Griffin? Yes, I'm protesting. Who are you broke?

You don't know what his voice looks like. Like, yeah, yeah. And this is us, you wrote on the breaks. Yeah, which you were on, thank you. I did an episode of the breaks. James Davis show. Yeah, Comedy Central.

Comedy Central. I feel like I'm missing one. Kidding, which I'm one now. Kidding. Yeah, it's Jim Carrey's new show. Have you met, James Central? He's got a new show? Yeah, he came into the writer's room.

You think Jim's going to kill himself? No. Jim is... I wouldn't be surprised if he killed himself. No, I hate... And I say that, and I say that hoping to God he does not... Why do you think he's going to kill himself? I think that he's...

I'm getting... This is mad awkward, by the way, just to let you know. I'm just saying, like, I've just been seeing snippets of these things, and he seems to be at a place in his life where he's trying to justify his unhappiness. And he's searching for happiness, and he can't find it. And then he's doing this thing that I've seen a lot of people do, which is, if I can't be happy, what I'll do is I'll take away the meaning of life. There is no meaning of life. If I can't be happy, well, then life is unimportant. We're just a collection of molecules and nothing happens and then we die, et cetera.

And once you stop adding even a fake meaning to life, life becomes less valuable. And it's just a tragic kind of situation. This is why I love perspective. I think Jim is the smartest motherfucker moving. and I think he, I hate the word woke. I can't stand it because some of you woke motherfuckers is too tired. You need to sleep. Exactly.

But I feel like he's aware of what's really going on in the world. And I think it's driving him crazy. Not driving him crazy like psychologically, but just the fact that y'all don't see what I see. I think he's very into. Did his girl commit suicide or some shit like that? Blame him?

All the headlines are the headlines. You can Google that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say this. Jim came into our writer's room and was there for the day and bled on the table for us. And it was really fascinating. What I've learned about life is that it is all about perspective. Perspective is the only superpower.

And what looks like a tornado from the outside is still in the middle. and I think Jim is going through a period of transformation and one person's breakdown is another person's breakthrough. And I think we're seeing it happen in real time. And I think he's sharing what he's learning. Yeah. And it's great for us because we get to use that because he's bleeding openly for us. So I think to what you were saying, though, about taking away the meaning of life, I think that, you know, to learn something. new, you do have to let go of the old.

You have to, you do have to take that away. Shed the skin. Yeah. And so just because someone is somewhere else on that journey doesn't make them wrong. That doesn't mean that they're doing something that they shouldn't be doing and that doesn't mean that you're wrong. It just means that they're somewhere else. But isn't that the world

we live in those? Like soon as like I saw it with Chappelle too. When they were going through their transformation of prayer like, oh, he's crazy. Absolutely. The first thing, when someone doesn't understand what you're doing, the first thing they do is say you're crazy. Sure. I'm I'm not saying he's crazy, though. I think he's, like, completely cognizant of where and aware of what's going on.

I just think that he's, and he's been very vocal about battling depression and dealing with these types of issues. And as a comedian, I understand, like, you know, where this is coming from, right? Like, you have a void and you want to fill it. And he's filled it his whole life. And maybe now he sees his career, you know, going in a different direction. And he's not on stage filling that void. And he's in relationship.

Yeah, he's an artist. It's funny because I literally having a conversation about Jim Carrey last one. We go with Aria Foster because he loves Jim Carrey. And, like, I was like, well, I was like, yo, I see these screams of consciousness come from gym from time to time. But I'm like, does he, is he, what, he needs an outlet? Like, what art is he putting out. That's what it is? And then he put me on the Jim Payton's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think, I guess my point is, like, you have to find someone to fill that void. And we even saw it with, like, the Lincoln Park guy. You know what I mean? Chester Bennington. Yeah, Chester. It's like, yeah. I think what happens with these guys is their whole life, they go,

When I'm famous, I'm going to finally feel happy. When I'm successful, I'm going to feel happy. And then they get famous and successful. You see it happened with Kevin Durant right now. It's like my whole life, when I win a championship, everything's going to be fine. And I'm going to feel that bliss I've always wanted. Yeah, but you didn't expect the baldge by. If Kemp didn't have, I'm telling you, Kemp didn't expect the balls bite.

He'd have everything he wanted. I know. If that fucking ball ball ballpark. I know. His head looks like a crunch bar. So what happened is he goes to, and then he goes to, he wins a championship. And all of a sudden he says that has those same feelings. That must be fucking.

frightening. Same thing with Chester. He becomes one of the biggest musicians in the world and all of a sudden I'm still feeling these same feelings of sadness and depression. And I think maybe Jim has realized that and he's going a different route. He's like, okay, how can I tackle this? Do I, how do I understand why we have these feelings? Why I feel helpless? Why our brains work this way? And I hope to God

that he figures it out and finds a way to cope with him. By the way, we're all assuming here. We don't know if he's unhappy. We don't know if he feels helpless. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. It's showing you. I'm not assuming. Listen, say again. I'm not assuming. You know of a personal relationship.

I'm assuming. Oh, yeah. I can't speak on it like you can. I think, um, I don't, you know what? Now, hold on, I don't need you keeping it too real now. No, no. We need you on this show right now. I don't need you.

Listen, I'm having a vis-as-us-us-us-us-clock. You don't have to keep it real about it. You're about to put it on the line. You're about to put it all the line. It's not worth it, jazz. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Stop the hot sacks.

No, you're getting soft, bro. Yes, I am. You're getting fucking soft. See. There's no need to do this. It's no, no, no, no. If it was a white rapper, you would have let him say that shit. If I would.

Let it fly, bro. Let it fly. Let it say that shit immediately. Go for a dog. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. Just more on a macro level. Like, it's, you know, we, you have to be uncomfortable.

You have to, you have to, you have to, uh, ruffle feathers, you have to upset the norm. You have to challenge people. And the way to do that is to figure out who you are and to dig in. And when you're in the public eye, people are watching that process. Jay Cole, Forest Hill Drive. The song Love Yours. It's all about the idea that here is this dude that his entire life, he's sitting in Fayetteville, and he's like,

yo, if I just could be the number one guy, I'm gonna be happy. Everything will be good. And then he got there. His whole album is I got to the top and realized everything that I needed was there and was home. And, you know, even just me in my life, like, look, I've, the level up is real, but also so are the lessons. And you realize that it's like, yo, I could have a nice bank account. But if I'm not fulfilled and if I don't know who I am and if I'm not. happy, that don't mean shit.

None of it means anything. It is so. Okay, hold on a second. This week's episode is brought to you by Adel Swim's new sci-fi comedy Hot Streets. Okay? You got to watch this show. It's, it's, I'm not gonna lie.

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All right, back to the show. I was in Jerusalem and I was talking to this rabbi. And I was just asking him questions about life and about... Are you Jewish? No, I'm not. But I just want to experience. I just want to go to the center of the world, you know, like experience what we're all coming from. Jerusalem is the center of the world?

I thought it was Africa. So did I. But that's all about... Perspective. What tribe you would? Africa is the center of the world. Beginning of life. Well, I didn't say the beginning.

I said the center. Okay. I think that Jerusalem is the center, meaning, like, you have the three Abrahamic religions all coming from here. This is the value system. I thought you were talking about on the mat. No. I'm like, what are the fucking? Okay.

So, because he's got to be there and go, yo, Jerusalem on the equator, bro? No, I'm meaning, like, our value systems come from here, like, regardless of your Muslim, Jewish, Christian. Like, you know what I mean? This is, this is where, like, the idea of God comes from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For people in Asia, no, but for the rest of it, yeah. So, but we're talking about, we were talking about God. And he was talking about the, there's something that's written in the Bible.

It talks about, like, if you don't do your practice, your commandments and love them, God says, I will beat you or something like that. I'm paraphrasing. And he goes, do you understand what that means? And I was like, yeah, it sounds like God is kind of being a dick. And he goes, no, no, no, no. He's saying, don't do this for me. Don't do favors for me. I'm fucking God.

I don't need your human favors. I'm giving you this so you feel happy. And I was thinking the other day as I'm reading this book about Titans and all these billionaire guys have the same fucking daily routine. They believe in this daily routine. And they all have very similar things in their daily routine. And I've always resented daily routines because I felt imprisoned by them. Right. I was like, oh, I have to go to the gym.

I have to do these things. Yeah, habits can be the death for you. Right. So but then I realized. And then after that conversation with that rabbi flipped everything, I'm not imprisoned by the daily routine. The things in this routine serve me. Much like this religion that God

gives you, serves you. There's a power in discipline. There's a power. I go to the gym first thing in the morning. I feel good. I do my question in the day, first thing in the morning. I automatically... Meditation, prayer, all that for you. It's grounding. Yes. God don't need

your ties in offerings. He's God, son. It's like offering Bill Gates some money because he made Microsoft. He's good. So I think there's something to that, this idea of like we said, perspective, but doing these things because they serve you. I mean, it's like I text you about the globes. And it was like, yo, like realizing, yo, I have to do something else. There's something like it's time.

It's where you spend your energy. And when you are aligned with who you are and trust me, it's not continuous. But when you are following your intercompassing, you know who you are and you know what you're supposed to be doing, there's a deeper meaning and you find joy and even the small things and then the things that are distracting

and not of you can be entertaining in spurts and then they can just be distractions that you're like yeah I'm good you're speaking about the golden gloves because you're going to attend the globes

yeah we were nominated yeah but you was like I don't need to be here because you should be focusing on something I'm on script for kidding and so I needed to focus and like this is you know to date the most important

script of my career right now. And so I needed to, and I knew if I was in LA and I was, you know, I'd get caught up in all of that. And that's not where I was. And I needed to follow my compass. And so I left, I bounced and I was writing my, uh, my episode. And it clicked in that moment that someone asked if I had FOMO. And, yeah.

And I was like, no. And, and, but that no was for me. And I understood the idea that, you know, I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing. And what looks like discipline and sacrifice to other people was actually giving me great joy because it was just, it's my purpose. You know, I've been like that my whole life. Like I've always said, I don't want to be on the scene. I want to beat a scene. Wait, you've been a fomo your whole life?

No. Sure. You're fomosexual. Fear of missing out on this dead. Dick talk But I've always felt like I don't want to be on the scene I want to be the scene

Yeah Like if you see me at some industry shit It's because I really want to be there Yeah You're going to see me at a Black Panther premiere All right Only because I'm going out The country that weekend

So I'm not gonna be able to go see it In the theaters when it comes out So I'm going to one of the minutes The week before to one of the things Yeah and I get to It's not a stunter for real life Yeah exactly And you know

Hopefully I get to interview the cast And all that good stuff But that I want to do that I have asked to do that Go where your interest are. Yes. Yeah.

It feeds you. Yes. Right? You're not doing it because it would look good to everybody else. No. Or that's where everyone else is going. No. It's like I'm doing this because it gives me joy.

Because I'm interested. How do people find what gives them joy? I think that we're all pretty blessed and that, you know, we've, and maybe we still have to actively search for it. Yeah. We've found things that give us joy. And even as we evolve in life, we find new things that give us joy. But I bet there's a lot of people out there that don't, not.

I don't know what gives them joy. Don't know how to find that. I think it's all about, go ahead, Jan. I don't cut you off. I think even when you do find that joy and something that you love, I think sometimes you can take it for granted. And I think a lot of times it's just always

continuously having gratitude for what it is that you love to do. I think sometimes we just, we take it for granted sometimes. We've been doing it so long. It's like, ah, whatever. So there are people that actually are doing the thing they love. They've just forgotten that they love it.

Oh, absolutely. I don't appreciate that. I totally think so. I think I can't speak for anybody else. I think for me, it's about figuring out who I am. That's been my process. And for me, it came from a surrender moment. And from there, it has been a 10-year journey or so since.

And I think that that's where I started to just sort of whittle away, piece by piece. Oh, this is, I'm the person that, like, I'm hard-headed. They told me for years, don't touch the iron. And then when I was four, I walked into the iron and just laid my hand on it and got three-degree burns. Like, I'm that person. So I'm the person that, like, needs to be, I need to figure out what I'm not in order to figure out who I am. And that's been a journey for me. But at the end of that was joy. So seek self. And when you, understand self, you understand what you want to do. The whole world moves for you.

It's a cheat code. Like it really does. The world changes and it opens up because you present your, everything is energy. Every single thing is energy. And when your energy is aligned with who you are and what you're supposed to be doing and you're tapped in in the alchemists, they call it the soul of the world. But when you are genuinely on your path, things move before you get there. I just feel like self constantly changes.

Yes. And I think that we have to be okay with them. Yes. Like I think we as human beings don't realize that who we think we are constantly changes. And if you're just holding on to what you're comfortable being, you're not doing yourself no favors. You're actually doing yourself a disservice. Yeah. And depending on how successful you get, and that's how you end up with people who are doing what they love, but you get you get trapped by it.

I know people who are world-renowned and have made millions of dollars and they're miserable because they're trapped by what they built. You know, it's what was protection can become a cage and you can't then. You see this often with actors who like play an iconic role and then all the sudden become that role. Erkel! Did y'all see top five? Herkle. Fucking, JJ Walker. Yeah.

No, Jay-J. Oh, JJ. What about Ari Piven? Jeremy Pippin. Ari Gold. Like, he's Andrew Dice Clay. I'm very cognizant about that. I saw Jalil White on the plane and literally started to yell out.

Uh-huh! But I just knew that would be disrespectful. Just to him as a man. Like, look, that's that was 20 years ago. Like, you know what I mean? Did you see Top 5? Chris Rock's movie. That's the whole running joke.

Hammy the bear. You know, it's like once you become known. own, that is what the world wants of you, but that doesn't mean that's who you are. But some of these people fall into it because it's easier. It's almost like a girl who does like that like that stupid voice that come, you know, how like, hi, I'd like to, hey, that like vocal fry thing that young girls do, right? I feel like they are going. I think you talk to more young girls than I do.

That's a fact. You're going to learn the hard way. All right. Time's up for you old. Yikes. Andrew is sorry. We go talk about disease But my point is I think that they're

Feeding into an idea They're feeding into idea of what they think a girl should sound like Or whatever like that Like a lot of these girls are copying The way the Kardashians kind of talk You know what I mean And it's like oh this is how girls talk Because I should talk that way

You don't have to talk that way You can talk however the fuck you want Or however your voice developed From the people around you Do you say that to them? No I don't think I've had that conversation with them But if I know if the voice is that annoying, I'll just be like, I don't know if this is a genuine way of speaking. Say that.

Yeah. Yeah, I think if there was something that I really, like, loved and cherished about that person outside of their voice, I would bring that up. I've had this conversation not with voices, but with people in general. Like, I just value genuine shit. Oh, yeah, when you don't care enough, it's like, I'm not going to correct her own. Exactly. Like, I don't need to fix your life. For what?

Suck this dick. Yeah, let's go. Suck this dick. You know what I mean? Hashtack men to. You know what I mean? men need to get our dick suck. That's men, too.

That's the new hashtag. I'm not involved in this at all. Come over here and drink this wine. Like, I ain't going to get my dick suck. Speaking of somebody who won't give it up. He's not giving up that triangle offence, baby. Andrew's not. Hey, man.

Andrew going to run that triangle. 2018, we hard on these hoes again. Wow. Not him. Not me. I'm surrendering. I'm not. Don't PC to God me right now, bro.

It's PC to God, bro. I mean, you used to be hard on that, Andrew. Not women. But you're not hoarse. I'm not talking about these hosts. Let's talk about Aziz. But a lot of things change that, though. It's not even just the Times Up B2 movement.

It's just like, yo, I got daughters. Yeah. You know what I mean? My perspective has changed a lot. My perspective changed a lot since this motherfucking Aziz Ansari story. Can we just acknowledge one thing about this Aziz and Sazzo. Hold on. The Jasper does that talk a real quick.

I wish more people approach it like you. Whenever people are questioning about what you believe and what wrong and what's right, et cetera, I'm always wondering, but if your daughter or if your sister or if your mother told you this exact same story, would it make you uncomfortable? Paul Savino, I think, has the litmus test reaction for what happened. When TMZ caught up with him and he's Mir Savino's father and asked him about the whole Weinstein thing and, you know, about her being blacklisted, he said, if I see that motherfucker, I'm going to kill him.

That's his daughter. That's his little girl. So, you know, every time that dudes are like, oh, this is bullshit and I don't believe her, if your sister, if your daughter, if your mother came to you and told you that exact same story that happened to them, is there a part of you in your gut that's going to say, y'all want to kill that motherfucker? If it is, then show that same humanity to that same woman. If my daughter sucked a dude's dick and then said, he wasn't.

picking up on my cues that I wasn't interested, I'd be like, bitch, you got to figure your cues out. You don't have a dot at. Because there's something about me being a man. I don't know. I don't know about you, but there's something about me being a man. When a girl's giving me head, I know this might be crazy. But in that moment, I kind of feel like she wants to hook up.

In the moment as she's bobbing up and down on my dick, I'm under the impression that she wants to hook up. And if she feels that there's a cue that she's giving that's otherwise while she gives me head, she must also be empathetic and go, I can see how my actions would make somebody feel that way. I don't deny that this girl did feel uncomfortable in that environment. I do also feel that Aziz did not pick up on that because of her actions. Hold on before we conflate two different issues. Weinstein and Aziz are mad different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What jazz was talking about was the whole Me Too, Times Up movement and just women saying, sexual or social sexual harassment. You're talking about a specific case there, which is the Aziz in this young woman situation. There are so many douchebag creepy motherfuckers out there. And we're not even talking about the sociopaths and psychopaths like Weinstein. We're talking about dudes that just massage you for no fucking reason at work. And I'm not cool with it at all.

And these dudes got to go. Let's go. Let's talk about it. But there is a problem with this Aziz story. And I'll tell you what hurts me the most about it is that the inception of Me Too was there were men in power that were abusing their power and ruining women's lives. And now you have a situation

where women have immense power. Women with one accusation can destroy a man's life. Court of public opinion. With a single accusation with no... It's worth in the court of law. No trial. No investigation.

No due process. With an accusation, everything that that man has worked for his entire life is gone. Your reputation. You got a guard reputation with your life. It's gone.

Now, women are using that power and now they're abusing it. How quickly... Not all. How quickly we become the people we hate. And when I say, oh, women, I'm not talking about just this girl and this story with the Zia Zanzari. I'm talking about every girl who retweeted the story. Every girl who backed up the story.

Every girl who made this story a big global issue. You are just as much of the problem as her because what you're doing is women for the first time in history have a massive microphone. And people are listening to your stories and they're hearing your stories. And they're taking them seriously and having empathy for them. And what you're doing with a story like this is you're turning down your volume. You're going, but once again, you can't conflate the two issues. Like I feel like, and that's what I was, we talked about in the group chat yesterday. Things have to be judged on a case-by-case basis.

This is a Zee's story with this young lady is a separate case, I think, than a lot of the other things that are going on. But when it's under the Me Too umbrella, you know who wins? Harvey. Harvey read this story and he goes, oh, I'm out of here. Five years I've been making movies again. Harvey wants it. when Me Too becomes... No, Harvey read that story and said,

that's not sexualist. You better go look at my transcript. Did he jerk off in a tree? He didn't get off in a tree, at least. I think I hear you. I think I see it differently. I think we're on a...

I want to hear your perspective. You should. She's a woman. Thanks. You saw him double down on that shit. Hold on the Shultz wants to hear of respect. I also want to hear your perspective. I also want to hear you. But I think we're at, it does all fall under the same conversation, but it is a different, a different conversation.

I think we're on the precipice of actual real change that we need and thank God because as a woman in this industry, like we really do need this change. Yes. But I think that the Aziz story is pointing out how little we really understand about what consent. about the difference between sexual assault and harassment and possibly and, well, definitely where the confines of rape are. And, like, we need more education. And I think that the first way to not learn something is to decide what it is or isn't before you understand it.

But that's the problem with the disease thing. I really don't know what that was. I'm reading it and I'm like... So being completely and utterly honest, me either. I don't get, I'm like, I don't know. He started off eating her out. But wait. Like, it was one part when he said to her.

Can we go back even early? Sorry, go. But no, it was one part where it was like, he was in front of the mirror and she said like, this isn't comfortable for me. And he goes, well, if it's not comfortable with you, it's not comfortable with either one of us. And then she was like, can we stop? And he was like, yeah. And they got dressed and watched Seinfeld.

Like, isn't that what you're supposed to do? Yes. And real quick, even before that, this is where I knew, giant red flag for me in this story. early in the story she goes we first went to his apartment we had some wine it was white wine I wanted red I prefer red

that's not my fault I didn't know that so the way the reason why I should point that out let me just point this out let me just point this out if you how are we supposed to believe that you vocalized clearly that you were

uncomfortable with Aziz's sexual advances if you You couldn't vocalize clearly what type of fucking wine you wanted. Maybe she did, though. She never said she didn't. But by the way, I get what you're saying, but I don't even know why she put that in the store. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why.

I'll tell you why. What she just showed up front was that the power dynamic was already set from the moment that she got there. It didn't matter. I just don't have no red wine. This is perspective. This is perspective, jazz. I think you see it as demonstration of a power dynamic. Well, I see it as I want to finish.

Yeah. No, no, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So it's the power dynamic in that they were, the wine situation happened at the party they were at. So there was a choice of different types of wines. He ordered for her. He literally didn't, he never asked her.

He said, yo, we're going to have X, Y, Z and bought a bottle. Oh, he's a rookie. So from his perspective, coming into this, this evening, I, own. I'm driving here and she's sort of along for the ride, which she was. So that's why that was important. It wasn't at a party. They started at the apartment. They started at something and then

walk back to his apartment. Yeah, because she said that they even went out to eat and she was upset about that that he rushed to pay the bill. It started out at the apartment. Then they went out to eat and they came back to the apartment. All of that was before they got to the apartment. And so she's setting the story of, she's setting the scene. My understanding is it starts at the

apartment. They go to eat and then they come back to the apartment. I don't think there was a party. No, no, no, no, no. It was, I don't know about the party. It was definitely dinner. Chris, could you look at it? If only there was Google. Well, Chris has it.

Because she said he rushed through paying the bills to get back to the apartment. But the wine thing happened before the apartment. What she's showing is that he was driving from the very beginning, that it wasn't about what her interests were. And do you think that it would be possible for a grown woman, not an infant, a woman that we can send to war to protect our country, a woman that could be president, a woman that can vote to just. say, I wouldn't like that wine. So here's what's really interesting. The wine thing was at the department. There's no party.

So they met at a... No, no, no. Let me explain the timeline. I'll explain the time. Let me just clarify the timeline to everybody listening. They met at a golden... If Andrew finds out he's right about one thing, he's going to run with it. Now it's his story.

Will we ever get to talk to them? So they just want everybody know the storyline because it's important, right? Okay. So they met at some kind of event party. At the Emmys. At the Emmys. Yeah. She was somebody else's date, by the way.

And she gave him her number. Okay. Then he texts her. They meet up at his apartment the night of the date. They have a glass of wine there. Then they go from his apartment to this restaurant. Is that true? Yes.

So what the apartment did not eat? How many times I got to say it? Where did he buy a bottle of wine? At the restaurant as well. There was an existing bottle of wine at the apartment. Then there was another bottle of wine at the restaurant. Why didn't he just order Uber eats? Why would you leave the apartment?

I'm serious. Like all jokes aside. Like this is why it makes, I'm like, what? Why would you all of them? That's the part that you're hung up. That's when you're like, what the fuck are you doing, Isid? This whole story is really about this girl's ego. This girl thought because she and Aziz and Sari both had the same fucking camera

that that meant she was going to be Aziz's boyfriend or girlfriend. She thought that they were going to be in a relationship with one of the most famous and successful men on the planet because they had a fucking pen tax in common. Okay? She was halfway right. Then she found out that she was just a fuck for the night midway through the meal when he asked for the check and they were still shit on her plate.

And in that point in time... So he fucked her and then took her out to eat? Son, I'm not going to tell the story again. I didn't hear that part. I ain't going to tell her now. Starts at the apartment. This is a classic guy move. Get you comfortable with my apartment early

so I could bring you back there and it's not an uncomfortable environment for me. You've already been there. This is one-on-one. You fucked it there. No, he didn't fuck her. He just brought her there. Okay, so he...

All right, okay, okay. Brinks her there. Has a glass of wine. Boom. I know dating is foreign for you. Yes, it is. Let me explain how... When my day, you would get the meal first, then go get some books.

Hey, listen, if you try to eat, I need my dick suck minimum. I need some return on investment. I'm like, what? Okay. So he starts at the apartment, has a glass of wine. Then goes out to dinner, takes our dinner. They also have wine at dinner. They don't finish the bottle of wine, and he orders the check to get back to the crib.

at this moment in time Shorty realizes oh he's just gonna fuck me and like she says in the article he's just like every other guy right Which is a tell tell sign by the way About how she feels

When a woman said that When a woman said that First of all Let me in with all the other guys You've dealt with Because I don't know what these other guys Have done with you They're also bored by you

And want to get done with this dinner Listen if you're a boring person You're at dinner And you're boring somebody Let's get the check Let me go get some head Let me just Let me just

Because I don't want to I don't agree with you And I want to be really clear that I don't agree with you. I think I will say from jump, I don't really know what to classify the Aziz thing as. I don't. And so, but that's also what leads me to believe that we need to have better education

so that we have better understanding about what these issues are. Because like, I don't know what that was. But I do know. What confuses you? Because you do know certain sexual assaults, right? You are aware of what. Absolutely. But at a certain point, the lines get blurred.

At a certain point, it becomes, okay, what do we classify that as? And how do you then do better? Tell me what was confusing. Well, so here's the part where I'm clear on. Right. And this is something that I personally, I'm a fairly confident person. And what I have come to realize just in dealing with different types of people is that that there isn't an inner confidence that is instilled in a lot of women when they're younger as

girls. And what happens is that they don't always feel empowered to speak up for themselves because that hasn't been instilled in them. And so there really genuinely are people. And also, this is true for some men as well. But I think the dynamic is different when you're dealing with a man and a woman that she may not necessarily feel empowered to say, no, I don't want to do this stop, but she's saying it in other ways. Which we've had this conversation on this. By giving him head. That's how she says no, stop.

We've had this conversation on the podcast so much. How that's misleading to a man? If you start sucking my dick, I might think that you want to, I don't know, suck my dick. But I'm going to tell you what's even scarier. What scarier is the woman having what I thought was consensual. sex with me, but then going home later and feeling like I did something I wasn't supposed to do. And that shit is scary.

And this is what I said earlier. I believe her when I believe her when she says that she felt uncomfortable there. Clearly, because he checked her the next day and she responded with. Exactly. But what I also believe is that because of her actions, Aziz did not know that she felt uncomfortable. And one of those actions would be sucking his dick. Well, no.

So here's a thing that I think that we need to bring back. And I really believe that we need to bring this back. Wait, before you say that, can we get... Because honestly, I read this the morning and came out and I haven't read it since. He knew she felt uncomfortable. That's why he stopped. Like, that's all in the article. He acknowledged it.

He acknowledged it. And then after that moment of discomfort, she started sucking his death. So, Chris, I know the story and you're not... He's reading it, though. Chris reading it. Say the story. Because watch when you come over here. No, no, no, no.

Keep that same energy when you come over here. Let's go. Keep that same energy when you come over here. I know the story. We need a fact-checker. The guy with glasses in the room has to be a fact-check. I can recite this like the national anthem, son. Let's go.

That's awkward. Break down the timeline. So you got the timeline right, but the part you're not addressing. You know, like a lot of this is semantics. They did have oral sex, but she said after that she told him she wasn't comfortable. He kept putting her hand on him. She moved it away. She tried to move around the apartment.

He followed her around the apartment. She went to the bathroom to try to compose herself. She came out and said something to the effect. effect of like, I'd be comfortable having sex on the second date. Then he poured her a glass of wine. I was like, okay, is it the second date now? Oh, yeah. He goes, would a glass of wine make it a second date?

Count as a second date. And she said she would move around the room. He would kind of follow her and cut her off and put her hand back, his hand back, or her hand back on him. And she made it clear she wasn't comfortable. And he said the right thing. He was like, okay, it's only fun if it's fun for both of us. But then he couldn't chill.

He was too worked up And he wanted the sex that night You gotta jerk off first guys He's pressing her I'm gonna read What'd you say, John? Can I just say one thing That I want to

I'm, you heard what Chris is Like, fucking social justice warrior bias was with that I'm gonna read her words Your words Her words don't even do justice To what you said I'm gonna read exactly

This is exactly what she said But go go go I don't know what did you say? Let's read exactly what she said. What did you say? I thought you just read that, Chris. I think it's a different reading.

The more of the story is, I'm going to tell me, a man with a hard penis is a hard man to stop. You got to jerk off sometimes, fellas. Jerk off beforehand, so you're thinking with a level head. I think he, it sounds really like he was pressing her. And I don't know this young woman, but I know that even I've been in situations where I'm like, yo, you got to back up.

But, you know, telling someone, yo, you have to back up is only as, it's only going to work if you have that power to back that person up. It doesn't sound like she did. And that's, again, if this is your daughter telling you that story, if this is your sister telling you that story, it's uncomfortable. And she has a right to feel uncomfortable. And I'm not saying that, you know, as a guy, you guys don't have, a right to also feel uncomfortable right now

and unsure of what's happening and what you can and cannot do. But I do know that you can't lead with, oh, that person's wrong. Oh, that girl is lying, or that is not a real issue, or that's not really happening. I agree with you, but women,

people have to stop, people have to stop leading with now Aziz is a creep. Aziz a rapist. Aziz is a sexual assaulter. It is happening. That's the fucking thing of the article. Absolutely. Listen, so real quick, why can't we say, after looking at this and analyzing this and thinking

objectively about this, we think that the way that she is demonstrating sexual assault in this story isn't accurate. Why can't we make an educated decision on it? Why can we only make this in a vacuum? No, but why can we only make an educated decision for sexual assault and not against it? Oh, I never said that. I never said that at all. what I'm saying here is that the lines are, it's not always clear cut.

And even the fact that we have been talking about this one issue for what, 10, 15 minutes now, it shows how dynamic it is and how complicated it is. And I think we're in that point where if we genuinely want to see change, there are things in there that both of those people could have done differently. But I think also in order to, in order to teach people how, to do things differently. You have to understand how it went wrong. And we have to have dialogue for that.

And I think that the moment you start with, oh, no, this girl is only, I think the Atlantic called it revenge porn or something like that. Oh, yeah. Caleb Flan. Great article. Or you say, you know, Aziz did XYZ, you stop talking and then you're just talking at one another.

You're just yelling at one. Can I just know why we feel bad? You know why men feel bad about this situation? Because we've all been there. Yeah. And I get it. guy that, let me put the tip in, or, I just ate you out and we're naked, like, damn, we really ain't going to fuck?

Like, we've all been there. Like, what disease did? I get it. It's regular mention. So, Grace says she spent about five minutes in the bathroom, collecting herself in the mirror and splashing herself with water. Then she went back to Insarry. He asked her if she was okay.

I said, I don't want to feel forced because then I'll hate you, and I'd rather not hate you, she said. She told Babe, which is the blog or whatever, that at first, you. that at first she was happy with how he reacted. He said, of course, of course, it's only fun if we're both having fun. The response was technically very sweet and acknowledging, and the fact that I was very uncomfortable. Verbly, in that moment, he acknowledged that I needed to take it slow.

Then he said, let's chill over here on the couch. This moment is particularly significant for grace because she thought that that would be the end of the sexual encounter. Her remark about not wanting to feel force had added a verbal component to the cues that she was trying to give them about her discomfort. When she sat down the floor next to Ansari, who sat on the couch, she thought he might rub her back and play with her hair. Okay. Something to calm her down.

Ansari then instructed her to turn around. Not a bad move, though. He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. Wants, want, what, what, red flag. I think I just felt, I think I just felt really pressured. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. A point at the dick?

Well, how could you possibly say no to a point towards your dick? It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at the moment because I told him I was uncomfortable. Like you're not, all right. Look, the point I'm trying to say is this. Ladies, there's this thing and I want you all to listen closely. And it's called I'm going to go. And this is what mature and intelligent women do when they're in an uncomfortable situation. They've been doing it for years.

They say, I'm going to go and they leave. The other day I went on a date with a very beautiful and intelligent, intelligent woman. And she said, yeah, yeah. That's a good joke. That's a good joke. And we hung out. It was for like eight hours. And we had a great conversation.

And we were in an Uber. We were going back towards my house. And I asked her if she wanted to come upstairs. And you know what? If we go upstairs, you're going to want to have sex. I don't want to have sex. And it's just going to be an uncomfortable thing. I'm going to go home.

And I said, you know what, I really respect you for saying that because coming up after this long date could lead me to think that you would want to have sex with me as well. And I would probably, you know, try to have sex until you said, no, that you didn't. You told her all that? We had a great conversation about it. Matter of fact, I just hung out with her last night. And she came over and she said, hey, I'm coming over, but I don't want to have sex with you or anything. I just want to hang out. And I said, and I had the decision to say yes.

I had to give her a nonverbal cue and just hung up. Oh, my God. I said, but I said, absolutely. I said, hey, yeah, come over. That'd be, that'd be fun. So, and we had a great conversation about this, about this very topic, matter of fact. But that's real, though. But the boundary was set from the beginning.

I'm coming to over and over a past like. But you see what a mature, intelligent woman does? But did you accept that, though? Absolutely. Did you as a man say, okay, did you jerk off before that? I jerked off while she was there. No, no. No, no.

So, Louie, Louie, Louie, Louie. He got crazy. So, look, so comedians. So, so. Comedian. Hello. So I guess the point I'm trying to say is I'm going to go is a powerful thing. And this is something that I want ladies to know.

When you go to a restaurant, a waiter is going to come up to you in that restaurant. He's going to ask you if you like somebody to eat. And you can say in that restaurant, yeah, I'm still looking at the menu. I'm not ready yet. And a few minutes later, he's going to come back. He's going to, you're ready to order yet? You're like, no, I don't really want to order anything yet. And a few minutes later, you're going to come back and you want some food.

Can I get you something? You're going to, no, no, no, no. As long as you're in the restaurant, he's going to ask you if you want something to eat. And if you don't want to be asked to eat something, leave the restaurant. Hit yourself with a, I'm going to go. Because being in the restaurant makes the waiter think that you might want some food. Listen, I understand everything Andrew is saying, but the reason I need to hear from jazz is because that shit Andrew is saying is the shit that I grew up believing. but that's the shit that's getting men fucked up now.

So how do we avoid that? Why is it not so easy for a woman to do that, Jess? I think, well, one, it's also why did you get dressed and come out of your house? Why did you say yes to this? What are your expectations? We're not taking into account the Aziz and sorry of it. And the reality is she said from Jump, you know, she was, oh, there's a lot. Aziz Ansari. She's already interested because he's Z's Z's. She was probably expecting more

a deeper connection. Again, it's the camera of it. It's the, oh, we have similar interests. We may be compatible in some way. And Aziz plays that male feminist role. Yeah. And that, and that he is safer in a way. That's why she said all you guys are all the same. Yeah, that she expected, she she had different expectations going into it. And I think that that part of it played a lot into why she stayed in the room because she was hoping that she could get back to that. I'm not saying that that's right or wrong, but I'm saying that like it's about the expectation. That's probably what brought her out of her house.

And then brought her into his world in that she was entrusting herself to him. And as he started to press her, it started to start to. to chip away at that trust, but I don't think that it broke it. She kept giving him the benefit of the doubt. And I think that that's where things get really, and again, I'm third, fourth person, armchair quarterbacking it because, you know, I don't know any more than what you, and I definitely don't know as much as you do about it. But, you know, it kind of seems like that's what it was.

It was the expectation and the trust because this is these. You made me think about something. talked about expectation because we talked about the reality show scripted thing, or Doug Dynasty and how people's expectations were low because he thought it was a reality show, but ended up being like something scripted. So they was like, oh, so with a Z's, it's like... You believe the character. You believe the character.

He's a male feminist. He's a nice guy. So maybe him exhibiting regular, and I don't even want to say it's regular, because it is regular. No, it is regular. Him exhibiting regular man behavior, right? Being a thirsty motherfucker who got this woman in his house and like, oh, she's... I'm going to keep trying to fuck, whatever, whatever. That probably blew her mind.

believe that it was him doing that. But back that up. So when you are famous, that means that people know you before you know them. That means that that you can, you have a natural trust that you've built with them that supersedes you walking into the room. That's power. So automatically you have the upper hand in this situation because they automatically trust you. She got dressed in. They have an expectation for you, but that my expectation might not be fair. They're making that expectation incorrectly. Fair or not, she left her house and went to his. So she has to be accountable

for that action? At what point do we treat women like adults? That's just what I'm trying to say. I understand it's more convenient to treat women like children because now you're not accountable for any of your actions and anything that happens to, you're always the victim. But if you actually respect women, at least in my personal opinion,

you would treat them like adults. But we can't conflate the two issues because like you said earlier, there are creeps out this mother. And I want that gone. There's a lot of. I want them gone. I don't even want what we did it. I don't want us to even be mixed in with those. And that's why I do that's why I clarify we're talking about this situation. So just sticking to this situation, um, just like you gave advice to women, which I, you know, that's your advice that you gave to women. I would say to men, um, one, you have to be honest with yourself about why this woman has decided to spend

her time with you. What are her expectations? If you know, know that you just want to fuck and you met this girl and you're like, oh, yeah, this girl is into me. It may be a quote unquote easy fuck for you, but her expectations may be something completely different. And I think that that's where you start to pay attention. Yeah. Listen to the things that she's saying. What are the interactions between this? You know, like all of these things start before you get in the room.

Isn't that a crazy ego? I think it's ego to assume that you're getting some pussy. And I learned that a long time ago. You're one of the most famous guys in the world. She's a plus one. And she thought that she should be your fucking girlfriend. I don't want that. Like the power, you talk about the power dynamic.

Why did she, why would she assume they're going to be boyfriend? Somebody's got to be his girlfriend. Like what? Somebody's got to be his girlfriend. Yeah, and she's assuming or putting it on her vision board. She's picking it to the universe. That's what I want. But I'm talking about as a man, like, I used to use this thing called Jen Sing Stone back in my day, right?

And you take it, right? And you, you know, I'm saying, listen, you wet your dick. That sounds like some. Has me. No, no, no, no, it's for you. You wet the stone and then you rub it on the vein of your dick. And, like, you would have, like, an erection for ever, right? And it's like, I used to do that sometime, but then I wouldn't get no pussy.

So that taught me the lesson of don't have any expectations. Because that shit would, when you don't get no pussy, that shit would burn. You'd be jacking off a man long trying to get that motherfucking nut out. So I never assume I'm getting any pussy. I don't have any expectations. When was this? Like, what? Like,

they didn't have concrete roads in Monk's corner of South Carolina. It was still dirt roads. Y'all never heard of the ginseng stone? Y'all heard of the ginseng stone, man. What is the, okay. You never heard of that shit? In the early 90s, you just throw some Chinese characters on a package. They go buy that shit, rub it all over their dick.

Like, what? Oh, the 7-11 stuff? Yeah. Oh, my God. What's that Puerto Rican fly or what was that? Oh, Spanish dog. Oh, Spanish was what, um, my God. Oh, my God.

Listen, but all I'm saying is I don't have an expectation when it comes to women. Yo, it's girls out right now that it tell you, they came to my room or whatever and I fell asleep. I wasn't trying to fuck. I thought we was just talking. I'm the dumb, listen, I'm the dumb dude that you be like, I want to come through. We're going to talk. All right, cool. And we talk.

Yo, I had a girl tell me one time, I'm not coming over here no more because you don't want to have sex with me. Straight up. And I was like, oh, you want to fuck me? You, Charlemagne. Good for you Now I fucked it The next time She came in

Yeah But But But I'm saying So I can't turn The pussy But no But I'm saying

All that to say I had no idea Like shit like That goes over my head I'm never expecting pussy Bro I'm with you 100%

And it is a beautiful part of your life And young Young bucks out there I'm telling you One day You will get To this part of your life

Where sleep is Just as intoxicating As sex And let me tell you In conversation Oh, conversation is the best. Because conversation could last more to sex. Sex I'm going to give you, like, we're talking about from start to finish half hour total.

Be honest, Andrew. That's not happening. Start to finish. That means oral. That means him doing her. I buzz you up into the apartment. That's what sex starts when I buzzed you in. I buzz you in.

You come up in the elevator. I give you a, once I give you a. Once I give you. that hug when you walk in the door? That's when Foreplay starts. I'm going to squeeze you tight, smell your perfume. That's foreplay. Walk out of here.

So how was your day? That's foreplay. Listen, we're going to pay some... I just hope the picture they use on your exeiseng. Oh, it's a good one. Yo, they're going to do it, me. They're going to use this brilliant idiotic on you. Hashtag men, too, bro.

I'm telling you. We got to get hashtag men too started. I'm here fighting for us. When I come out with my story about how I got me to... Yes. That's going to be the hashtag men too. Men too. I'm telling you guys start that.

Also, yeah, these girls have been. men to and me. I had a girl legit, rape me. And if that legitimately happened to you, you should talk about that. She did. But her pussy was good.

But it was good. But I said no. No. No. No. I didn't have a condom. I said no. She grabbed my dick.

She's a fucking tie. She does tie boxing or some shit. I could probably take her, but she's a tall girl. And she grabbed my dick and I said no. And then she put it in. She started riding it with a little. smirk, hashtag men too.

Listen, you know why men are so broken? Men are so broken because the sexual assault we have experienced like from even when I was a kid. I'm serious. When I was eight years old and I got molested by my cousin's ex-wife, I didn't look at his molestation. As a man, they're like, yo, you're the man, son.

You get ahead. But your child. And then you get old and you realize that's it's fucked up. Hashted men too. You know what I mean? And even if you're in a position where you're in an environment where a woman in a position of power and this industry tries to fuck you.

You feel like you're pussy if you don't put your dick in. Son, it's great. But again, it's the same. It's the power dynamic. That's the exact same thing that you just talked about. That's her going on this state with a Z's. Like it's power. It's the exact same thing.

And it's not exclusive to men or women. Power is power. And when you use it incorrectly or you don't realize you have it, people can get hurt. So here's what I'll say. say there will always be people with power in the world. Absolutely. Just like there will always be hurricanes that hit the Caribbean, right? So do we tell people with power and do we tell hurricanes not to be hurricane-y? Or do we tell people in Puerto Rico and other places in the Caribbean how to handle a hurricane,

how to build building so they're not affected by the hurricane, how to create, you know, hatches or whatever, below the ground so that they're safe in the event. event of a hurricane. I think what we're trying to do is protect people by telling the bad guys not to be bad. Bad people are going to be bad. Let's set people up like this girl and like Charlemagne, like myself, you know what I mean? Let's set us up with skills so that we can handle the bad guys. But you've got to tell the bad guys not to be bad. Yeah. I think it's both. At the end of the day, bad guys going to be bad. That's what bad guys do. It's not like when you go naughty bad guy and they go, you're right. I think, and I'm not an expert on any of this. I think I'm learning. I'm learning.

it as everybody else is in real time, but I think that it's a combination of educating everyone, men and women, on how to really communicate with one another. And while you're empowering everyone, not just men or women, to speak up for what makes them comfortable and what doesn't. And I think that that's where you start. I 100% agree. Let's talk about. Let's have these fucking conversations. Let's empower people. I mean, you guys. have daughters, you know? Yes. Would you tell your daughters

how to deal with these situations or would you hope that the guy knew how to treat women? I would hope that the guy knows how to treat women, but both. I agree with you guys. Both, meaning you would tell your daughter

what the right way to act in this situation is, right? So in my personal opinion, I want to tell these bad guys I would tell my daughter don't be going to this motherfucker's house because he's going to expect you to fuck him. There we go.

That's honestly what I would tell my daughter. Like straight up. Why are you at this motherfucker's house? Ladies, don't go to a guy. house to cuddle. It is, I know you don't have air conditioning. I know it's tough for you because you live in a shitty apartment with three roommates. But don't get comfy with a guy because he has air conditioning in the summer and take advantage

of that. Go back to your shitty apartment and deal with that shit. Don't be cuddling all night and expecting a guy to not think. It's true. I mean, I just feel like we're putting too much blame on the woman and I don't want to do either. I don't want to put too much blame on the man, too much blame on the woman. I think we're all trying to figure out where is this gray area that we need to be. I don't think we're in the gray area

I think men are getting all the blame. We're getting destroyed. I do. For accusations. Yeah, that was bothering me more than anything. The court of public opinion, man. Like, due process, people's reputations are done. Like, are we getting the master of none in season three?

It's an Akash. Yeah. We are? Akash, bro. He's a new star. No, Akash then coming out. In the meantime, go download legal fling. Okay, it's an app that you can download.

And while you're with the young lady, You can send her request for sexual consent. I'm dead serious. It's a single fling. What? It's an app. So while we're together, I can send you this contract. It's binding.

You can doc, you sign it. And it's requesting sexual consent. Yeah, that shit is romantic. And that's about to add another five minutes to my 30 minutes. Amen. My four play up to 35 minutes now. Let's pay some bills and then we come back. We've got a couple more things to talk about.

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Thank you guys so much for supporting. Please spread the word. I appreciate you so much. All right, back to the show. Okay, come back. So jazz. Jazz is something we can all learn from. Now, jazz is from Chicago.

All right. There's three things you think about when you think about Chicago. You think about people that are very creative. Yes. But then you think about criminals. That's true. The mobsters. That's true.

People with criminal records. That's the fly. Jazz fly I recently found out has a criminal record. What? I had no idea. Are you comfortable talking about this? I was an amazing segue. Yeah.

I mean, technically, I'm a convicted felon. What? Who did you shoot? Chicago, baby. Yo. Wait, what did you do? This is crazy. Tell us.

Come on. This is, I, I, so actually, all right, let's back up. The point where, earlier where I had my surrender moment.

And, and started to figure out who I actually was. That came, I had a whole career in film and TV. I started as a PA on ER and worked my way up through a ton of commercials and movies and Ali and Barbershop and MTV Real World Chicago, shit like that. And then moved to L.A. the first time. and it was it was

this is a very funny story you were first job in L.A. About the uh yes yes so you know a part of this story then I don't know if that's that story well catch us up the speed because I don't know oh sorry

so essentially I get to L.A. and I had two job options the first day that I got there it was either be an associate producer on night calls which was um porn show on Spice Channel which I turned down

and then I ended up with an unpaid internship for Eric LaSalle and who I knew from my ER days and everything. Who was Eric LaSalle for people who don't know? The Prince of Soul Glow. Right. The Princess Soul Glow. From coming to America.

Holy shit! Really? Daryl! Daryl! Holy shit! Why didn't you know that? All right. You're You was Daryl's PA. One day we got to get you to tell us the porn story. You was Daryl's assistant.

Okay. It's so good. But okay. Thank you. Yeah. So I started all over. I work my way up from intern to office assistant to office manager to executive assistant to CE and just like, again, started over.

I think at that time, though, Eric was so big in Black Hollywood. And Black Hollywood was such a, I mean, this is the Will Smith era. And, you know, we were sort of plugged into that. We were at when Jamie used to, Jamie Fox used to throw his big ass parties. Like, we were there, but we were working. So, like, you know, we got to see the world and not be in it and sort of be protected from it. Also, though, at that time, I was really young. And I was also really, I had no idea who I was.

Like, I just didn't. And you give a young person that much power and access and just, You know, went crazy with it. But I was also not making very much money. I was making $21,000 a year, which is kind of hard as a functioning adult by yourself. So. A tough situation. Low salary, tons of power.

Yeah. And those things. Absolutely. It's a very hard to balance. Yep. Especially when you have no idea who the fuck you are. Absolutely. And so the dynamic in the office was, uh,

it was unhealthy. It was very unhealthy. It was very, it was autonomous. This is, you know, one person's company. But also,

there was this false sense of family, this false sense of like, this is us. Which most of the industry is, by the way. Yeah, like, that's why now I don't use the word family.

I don't use the word friend, like lightly. Like, those things actually come with responsibilities. Motherfunk is get a rock nation, think they should be at blue eyes his first guy. Yeah.

But yeah, like there was this false sense of like. Tribe. Yeah. And I think so Eric and I started falling out because also I was at that point where in our mentorship I should have left. And this was also a lesson of like you got to know when it's time to fly to just, you know.

And so he and I were sort of battling for control of me. Right. on that time, my sister got pregnant. And she was even younger. And this was sort of a what-the-fuck situation in our family. And I used the company credit card to buy stuff for her pregnancy. And it started out as a, oh, she needs this. I will get back, you know, whatever. And then it just became too much to pay back because it was, yeah. And what you run up?

$4,000. That's not bad. That's not bad to you now, but also when you're, that was also a quarter of my salary. You know what I'm saying? Like that's that, that's, yeah. It's a lot of money.

And then also coming from the world that I'm from where, you know, you, listen, my dad for most of my life has filled up his gas tank $10 at a time. So like $4,000 might as well be $40,000. Now, was $4,000 a lot of money to Eric? No. I don't know.

The Prince of Soul Glow. Right. But I got fired. And that was the first of the heartbreak. And rightfully so, I should have been fired. But he pressed charges? Yeah. And so.

That's cold. now we have to be accountable. You did break the law. Yes, and that's, I take full responsibility. But he didn't even ask you why. It's not like you took the money to go buy Tommy Hill figure or some shit. Like he didn't ask you what was, what were you buying? You know, I don't, he and I have never had this conversation.

So I'm not going to speak for him. That's not my place to tell. Do you like the female T.K. Kirkland? That's exactly who I am. Yeah. T.K. has a similar story. Yeah, that's exactly. Okay, he was a thief.

He was a full-fledged. I started to say knock a lepick. What's the fucking stealing shit? Oh, clepto. Klepto. Yeah. Okay, so he pressed charges, which is, which I might say a lot about him. My parents had a small business and they've had people steal, like friends of mine that work with them.

And it was always like a learning moment for these people. It wasn't. Well, yeah. And that's a thing where I'm going to send you to jail or something. I'm not going to. I'm not going to indict him because I take full responsibility for what I did. And that's between him and God. That ain't got shit to do with me.

What I will say is that in hindsight, which is the only way I can look at this, it was the best thing that happened to me. The absolute best thing to happen to me. So I get fired. And at that point, I then went to work at MTV for a second and the Nickelodeon. And at that point, I'm totally disenfranchised with Hollywood and fuck everybody who loves it. I want to go home. I want the safety of my family.

And I'm going to go home and work for Allstate. By the way, only people from Chicago can say they find safety in Chicago. Just want to throw it out. Yo, fuck you. Chicago is an amazing city. That's the real. I feel unsafe here. I need to go to a place where I find security.

I just want to say, and that's one of the reasons why I'm really. really am into the shy and because it's showing the roundness of Chicago. There's so much there that we have not seen before and so just know that it's not all

just like shooting off every corner. It's a beautiful city. But yeah, but I wouldn't go, but it's a beautiful city and I think we don't want you. I know. So there you go. So I was there recently to be on I did shows there and it's one of my favorite. You stayed only in the loop. No, not in the loop but

I was in a safer, safer neighbor. But it's one of my favorite cities. I think it's the most impressive-looking city I've ever been to coming from New York. Like, it puts New York skyscrapers to shame. Well, I'll be there on the 28th to Harold Washington, Coach. Hey, but not to Coach of a back to your story. Yeah, so I'm showing my apartment because I'm going to sublet it for the rest of my lease. And it's the end of the day.

And I get a knock on the door. And I'm like, looking at my list, like, I've seen everybody. And it's this white man and woman. And they're like, can we talk to you for a second? Show me a badge. And I'm like, what's going on? Prior to that, I had a couple of moving violation tickets driving. Like, this is not my world.

This is not who I am. And they explain me. They're like, do you know who he is? I'm like, yeah, this is my former Boston's like, well, he's alleging that you have stolen $20,000. Yikes. And I'm like, no that's not

No four well I I knew enough not to say that shout out the lawn order the worst the worst reaction is to go 20

yeah that don't do that never do that but I you know I was like that's not the case and I'm more like okay we're going to sit down

and talk about this and they're like no we need you to turn around and I'm like oh wait what and so I was arrested and they took me in for the night and then the next morning I had to go in front of the judge and it was a surreal like it's just one of those things where if you know me you know and also if you don't know me you probably have an idea that like I never thought I'd find myself in this situation but here I was and it was really interesting because

the education started the next day so when you get when they arrest you you know at night you get a bunk and then the next day you're going to court. But really what that means is you're sitting in just different rooms. And I'm in there with women from all walks of life. And I just started talking to them. They started talking to me. And it was the night that I was arrested, there was a girl in there who they took her out. She was in three cells with me. And so by the second cell, I'm like, who is this girl? She clearly was picked up for prostitution. They took her out. and this is several times that she's been picked up and she comes back in and you can tell she's been bawling

and she's laying on the bench and no one will talk to her and then finally someone who knows her went over and was like what happened they have a conversation in the corner the girl was like oh well fuck you then so she comes back and she sits next to me and I'm like is she okay

like does she need a hug like what's going on and it's like nah this bitch is done it's like what does that mean well the girl tested positive for HIV on her life arrest and then was arrested again for prostitution. So now she's being charged with attempted murder. So now she's looking at 10 years versus just a simple prostitution ticket and release.

So now I'm like, oh my God, like here's this girl who's like 1920. And not only is she dealing with the fact that she's HIV positive, but also now she's got a, and also something going on in her life that she's a prostitute. now she's going to go to jail to prison and like there was so many layers on it so in my mind I'm like I just felt for this girl

and they were like yo fuck her that's the girl that set up Romeo Santana to be killed what the dude from from Steve Harvey show Romeo he had been killed like a couple years before she was the one who set him up the prostitute with each other yeah like it was shit like that where

I just realized it just dry snitched on this girl so I mean nobody knows who she is thank God She probably is head, no. Yeah, she does. My God. All right. Based off the circumstances you've described to me,

I doubt she could, you know, go for good health care. I wish she's the best life wherever you are. But yeah, but it, it, so it became a thing that I was dealing with in my life that, but it was so interesting

because it was so eye-opening in so many different ways. I bonded out the next day, and then I, like, my apartment was already, up for lease, like I had to move home, but also I was flying back and forth for a year and a half to make every court case. So from LA to Chicago?

Yeah, well, little savings I had went to the private attorney when that was over. I ended up with a public defender. And the public attorney from Jump was like, take a deal. Take a deal. Because you're not, you're facing three years and you have no, you do admit that you are guilty of some of it. So take a deal And what it came down to

To it for me was my grandmother My grandmother is my mom She raised me And at that point she was 86 87 And she lived in Chicago She can't get on a plane and come see me

I don't want to go to jail and miss the end of my mother's life And so The deal was 90 days In Linwood County correctional and then three years probation and I at the time that I turned myself in I had to this is the last time I saw no it's the second to last time I saw Eric when I turned myself in I had to present a check for $2,000 which again at that point might have been might as well been two million dollars because I'm just not from a world where we have two thousand

Did you save the money up? Well, so they gave me three months. Okay. Again, we're not from, like me, if I literally saved all of my money, because that point I think I was temping. Now, and making $300 a week. Well, there's one less prostitute on the street now. Don't do it. What?

You just told me the girl has age. She can't be out there pro in. Now there's a slot open. Remember? He's a comedian. I'm just saying you need two grand You need two grand in three months Use comedian loosely

Listen There's a slot open on the bench You also, okay I also just want to Listen, show's goals for it I know and I respect it I get it Better aim though

But I think I didn't say I'm curry You know what I'm wrong though But I don't want to be very clear This is this is a different version of me This is me 111 pounds of

So this is me completely. I didn't know who I was. Like the, you know, the weight of two grand. And the difference is if I didn't have the two grand by turning in that I had to serve the whole 120 days or something like that. I can't remember the thing. So how do you get two grand and three? So I go home. That's the thing.

So I go home back to my working class family in Evans, Illinois. And, you know, my family knows shit. Where do we come with this money? And everyone keeps saying, like, I don't know. I'm going to pray for you. I don't know, but I'm going to pray for you. Like, you know, to the point to where... Chicago, go get a gun and rob a check cash in place.

The fuck is up, man. Yo. So, you know, I'm like... I got to the point to where I was like, yo, fuck y'all in y'all's prayers. Like, you know, like, no, I don't need you to pray for me. I need somebody to, you know, cut me a check. Did you have faith in this term?

So at that point, like, my dad's a minister. I was raised in church. Yeah. Collection plate that shit. Well, so I even went to my church and was like, you know, I need to come up with this money and they're like. We're going to pray for you. Yeah. I mean, essentially, like, you know.

We're going to pray for you. Yeah. And so finally I had a conversation with my dad just like on some real shit. And I'm like, you know, this praying for me stuff is actually not going to help me. Yeah. And he goes, yeah, because you ain't praying. Everybody's praying for you. You're not.

So, bars. That's why ministers get all the pussy, yo. I swear to God, that's bars right. I'm telling you. How can I not fuck you? I almost gave up the pussy to your dad for that shit. For real, I didn't fucking up. I literally was like, here you go, dad.

Even if I'm not expecting the pussy as a minister, like, I got to offer it for you. That was hot. I see what you did right there, God, Guy. I see you that. I was good. Yo, this is probably the worst decision in my life. I would say the worst decision. So you have the church, he said, nobody's praying for you.

You're praying for yourself. So the next morning, when I got up, I just said this prayer. And I just sort of ad hoced it. And then the next morning, I said the same prayer. And the next morning I said the same prayer. You're like, please God, make us Jewish. So that we would have enough money to pay for these legal fees. And a lawyer and a family that we could use.

Yo. So, yeah, two weeks before I'm supposed to go back, one of my best friends growing up comes to me and she goes, I got an idea. I applied for this credit card. I can get a cash advance. I got my $2,000 24 hours before I was supposed to leave. Holy shit.

So get back to L.A. So total buzzer-beater. Turn it in, turn myself. I now this is I'm preparing to serve 90 days my lawyer my public defender is saying it's your first defense it's a nonviolent crime you're going to we're estimating at this point you'll probably do about 30 days I had a job offer back in Chicago I told them that I was having a surgery that I could be vague about and that I needed to be out for 30 days but if I could get out and back home in 30 days I would have I could have a life essentially

So I'm just praying like, okay, I'll be gone a month. I don't know how I'm going to do a month in jail, but I'm going to do a month in jail, whatever it is. And also just like, Linwood County Jail is not, like, it's a, it's a jail. Like, it's not like, it's where Paris Hilton went. I was not going to the wing Paris Hilton was going to. But they say the county, they say that jails are actually a lot of times more dangerous because you don't have the, yeah, the prison. Yeah, the prison. Yeah.

Because they're right together. Exactly. Yeah. And prison, it's like, you have. who've been there, they're going to be there for 20 years. They won't check on. There's a lifestyle. Whereas like cow jails, like people are coming in there.

You're just wilding. Yeah. Yeah, you're just wilding. The night that I was arrested, it became apparent very quickly to just know how to handle yourself in this situation. And so I turn myself in. We go to get on the bus. And again, I'm now back to being moved with other inmates and I'm, you know, having conversations.

and we get to Linwood, and it's a big field house, and you walk in, and they tell you strip down. So it's a bunch of literally just women face the wall. They're going one by one. You got a squat. You got a cough. They're checking you to make sure you not bring anything in, and they give you your, you know, clothes, your uniform.

And then they assign you to your bunk. I came in at night, so they assign me to the bunk. The woman on the bottom bunk was detoxing from crack. And so she is shitting herself. and throwing up. Cool. So now I get on the top bunk and I'm like,

okay, I'm going to go to sleep and they tell you get a work detail because it'll make the time go faster. So I'm like, let me just go to sleep and then I'll wake up when they call for work. Wake up 5 a.m. They call Who Wants to Work?

Go downstairs. They're assigning out the jobs based on how long you're going to be there. So if you're going to be there longer, you're in the fields. And then if you're the shortest is that you're in the kitchen. So everybody's like hoping they're signing you in the kitchen because that means that you're going to get out quicker. Well, they get to me.

And they call Waters and I'm like, I want to work. They're like, great, you're in the field. And so I asked the officer, I was like, you know, they said that I might be getting out in 30 days. And she looks at and she says, 90 days you're in the field. Go back up to your phone. go back up and I climb up on the bunk and I just lose it

like I'm really about to be in jail for three months and you know I think that we I don't think that we really understand what jail is it's putting a human being in a cage it's not some

glossed over thing it's not something to be proud of it's not some badge of honor it is caging a human being and scripting them all their rights all their freedoms absolutely I agree some people need to be caged but you're still caging them and the idea of doing three months there

again in an element you're with the unknown every day you don't know what you're going to face it just it all just sort of hit me and I get up on my bunk and I'm just bawling and I didn't know what else to do but talk to God. I couldn't talk to anybody else. You know, like, I'm isolated.

Perfectly good crackhead on the bottom bunk. She was not losing. She's not losing. She wasn't even hearing what I was not, she was not even awake. So, you know, I just said a prayer. I'm just like, you know, God, I get it. If this is what you want me to do. If this is where you want me to be, then I, come on, I'm riding with you.

And I genuinely just surrendered every single thing. go to sleep and I'm you know my plan now is I'm going to sleep as much possible to pass the time the crackhead has the right idea and so I go to sleep and you know you have those sleep and you think oh shit I woke up it's four or five hours no it was an hour later and they start moving you and they're immediately like again I'm back in different cells talking to different women I met some woman who was picked up on a warrant a 10 year old warrant in Atlanta and the warrant was uh for Atlanta no it was She was picked up in Atlanta for a L.A. warrant. It took them six months to process her. So she's been in jail for six months waiting for L.A. to come get her. Sucks. Finally came and got her. So, like, I'm learning.

It was assault, I believe. Don't break the law, kids. Once you get trapped in that system, you're trapped for it. And it was eye-opening to how all-encompassing that system was and the weight of it. and how unjust it is at times, but also how biased it is. And because all the people in there were black and brown. I saw maybe one white girl who I don't think she's seen a white girl in a very long time. Like it was so completely just biased.

And so they start moving us. I'm being moved to this one room. They pull us out, put us on the yellow tape, and I'm hearing the officers say these are, they're going out. So now I'm like, is there another jail? Like what's happening? They moves to another cell. Then they move us to another cell.

Then we get to another cell and they come in and hand us a bag with our street clothes in. And I'm like, wait, I put my clothes on. And you can't ask anybody anything. And then they make us wait for like two hours. and I'm sitting with my clothes on confuses what the fuck is happening. They move us again. Start signing your release paperwork.

And I'm like, wait. Okay. Like, you know, cool. Move us one more time. Then they walk us out to this door. They open this door. It's literally the garage we rode in on. At the end of the garage is the open door of the street.

And they were like, go. I just booked it. So you did, what, 24 hours? 24 hours. Wow. On the 90 day. What's that? Overcrowding? Overcrowding.

That estimation of 30 days was one day. Wow. I got out to the street. And in that moment, I was like, all right, God, whatever you want. Let's go. Real talk. What was that prayer that you ad hoced? It's the same prayer I've said every morning of my life since then.

Yeah, let's hear that one. It is, thank you for waking me up this morning. Thank you for allowing me to see another day, another opportunity. need to be better, to do better. I ask that you continue to bless myself and my family, help us to accomplish our goals, coming to our heart and to our minds.

It's so coming to our minds. I've been overthinking my prayers. I need to tone it down. No, I mean, it's hold on. Let me say. This prayer is functional. Don't be fucking this up for me, dog.

It's the set. It's the set. This is the hot five minutes. Exactly. Give us this kicker in a pussy prayer. Yo. Yo. All right.

Heavenly Father, thank you for waking us up this morning. Thank you for allowing us to see another day. Thank you for another opportunity to do better and be better. Thank you for coming into our hearts and to our minds. Bless our lives, dear God. Help us to be honest and to live to our potential. Protect us from any. not of you in Jesus' name.

What do you, amen? What do you think God was, was showing you? It was the ultimate humility. It was you have power over nothing. It was, listen to me, do what I'm telling you to do, learn to discern my voice over yours. It was, it was, we talk about humility, but it's actually, Real humility is just making yourself small so that you can hear God over everything else, including yourself.

And that was my aha that then when I got home 24 hours later. Yeah. And everyone's like, yo, what the fuck just happened? Life was different. I began to trust God, which then meant that I trusted myself more, which then meant that I knew that I could leap because even if I fell, I was going to be okay. And continually, God has shown me that over and over and over and over to the point to where I do make big leaps, I expect miracles. And they come because I expect them.

And then when they don't come, the lessons I've learned always lead to what I ultimately need. If I was your dad, I would be tight. I've been preaching every Sunday You've been ignoring my shit And took a crack hit To take a dump on themselves For you to believe in God Come on now

You know I feel like we all need those humblins And the reason we need those humblins Is because after you realize It's not about you And you just go forth in the world Anything bad that happens You just know it was supposed to happen All anything perceived is back

And I don't necessarily believe in good Of bad experiences I just believe it's part of the process And the things that happen That aren't to your liking you just realize, okay, that's part of the process. Yeah. As opposed to my ego or my bad karma.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And you start to see the world in a different way. And it helps you prioritize things. And again, it goes back to the more you know yourself and the more you understand yourself. I think there's something to this that's not only Christian or not only religious.

Yeah, it's not about religion. Exactly. To you, it might be through that lens. Like we were talking earlier, everything's the lens. But to somebody else, it might be a daily routine or whatever. But like this act in and of itself of like submitting yourself. Removing ego, removing these things and humbling yourself is productive. So to people who might have tuned off because they tuned up because they're like a staunch atheist

and they don't think they can get anything from religion. It's not the Jesus guy with the beard. No, that's religion. Man made that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And listen, I'm a preacher's kid. I'm a P-K. I don't go to church. I don't, I don't, to me personally, I don't subscribe to religion. Religion is a community, which many people need that. There have been times in my life where I still need that, and I'll dip in and dip out. But what I'm talking about is just a connection to your inner self. That aha moment. Yeah, that moment where you start to realize, oh, I've been looking at this wrong. Maybe I need to see this in a different way. What was the different way?

I'm just right. I need this. No, it's for me, actually. But, uh, I think for me, it was that realization that first it started off as power. Years later, I learned that it's not about you. It's not about you. Um, but also just realizing that, yo, life is so much bigger than the stuff that we think is the biggest thing.

they're so because what happened every one of those cells and by the way I just have to say I realized like 30 minutes since I'm still wearing my retainer so I don't usually have a list but

first of all you know who you're doing a show with right? I don't have a retainer but I have a list he got no excuse but yeah you realize that, yo, if you know who you are, you can talk to anyone.

You can understand anyone because you see the humanity in them. Absolutely. And I, when I think about those women that I talk to and those stories and why they trusted me with what was, I ultimately, I did talk to Homegirl that was on the bench. We had an hour-long conversation. ADD. And I, we had an hour long conversation. And I, you know, she trusted me with her story.

And there's a sense of responsibility. And through that, I found my purpose and what I was here for. Telling stories, right? Here you go. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you, you are very gifted at storytelling. Jazz is the best.

So I have a selfish question. Yeah. Can you break down in the most simplest form the structure of a story? I am, we're sitting with, you're obviously very skilled storyteller, but I feel like Charlemagne is this brilliant storyteller organically. Yeah. He just, and my brother also is like this. Shout to Greg, who's doing very well.

A lot of people have been asking and he's doing great. But like the both of them can like take information, synthesize it. And when they regurgitate it, it's like structurally broken down. They find the conflict and stuff like that. And sometimes that's rough for me. What is the structure of a story? Just in its most simplest. Beginning, middle, and in, right?

But isn't there like something, conflict, resolution, you know, something? I mean, there is the introduction of, think about it, this. Use a rom-com because it's the most simple formulaic. Boy Meets Girl. boy loses girl boy's got to get girl back so boy meets girl boy loses

boy has to get back or it's 2018 girl meets girl girl loses girl girl's got to get girl back but what about the ending the ending has to have some type of climax you got her back you got her back oh okay

so it is the introduction of the problem the escalation of the problem the resolution of the problem now isn't there like a hope is lost moment or something Oh, who was lost. That's the second act. That's the second act.

Oh, that's lose the girl. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then we follow you on this journey to get her back. To get her back. Now, do you think that you're naturally good storyteller because you've read so much that it just said by osmosis has become part of you? I've never thought about it. I'm honest.

I just tell the story. Well, I mean, listen, I've never taken it. He's good at just naturally telling stories, right? Yeah, he's amazing. He's surely. It's fucking impressive, man. I've never thought about it. But that's.

But that's the thing. Like, you, storytelling is not about structure. It's about connection. It's, can I make you understand what I'm telling you, what I'm, you know, like, can I draw you in? And that is not about structure. That's about people. That's about energy.

That's about vibe. That's about an understanding of what you're telling and also who you're telling it to. Interesting. I remember one time born, I got arrested. First time I got arrested, I had to write a statement for the police. I made up this whole life. Oh, my God.

I was hitchhiking, and I got picked up by these guys in this car, and then they shot at these dudes. They told me if I said anything, they're going to kill me. And I had these police officers on a wild goose chase for 24 hours looking for some shit that did not exist. Storytelling you can help you out, kids. Didn't help you out in that moment, because when they found out that I was lying, it was like, oh, man.

I am so sure. I was like, oh, you know what? we was going to look out for you because they thought I was snitching. Yeah. But it wasn't. I just told a fucking fake story. Yeah. And they held it on me, but I was in there for a long time.

Well, not a long time. Like, I probably could have got a PR bond, but they ended up giving me a real bond. So I was in there for like a while, 90 days or shit like that. Wait, you did 90 days in jail? Yeah. You've done longer than that, though, right? No. Wait.

You know, that's funny what you say, because that goes back to like, remember how you said that one day? Yeah. It seems like. Yeah. I did a year in jail. I did like 90 days. That's still 90 days. I don't even know if it was 90.

I don't remember how what. My father told me how much it was recently because I put it in the book the exact date. You remember? It was less. I can't remember. I don't remember. But that was like the first time I went. But it was more than a month.

Dude, I was. But to me, I was in there forever. Yeah. Well, I was in West Virginia. I've been in West Virginia film in this movie, right? And I'm in the small town of West Virginia. There's no Uber. I'm in a shitty hotel.

indie movie budget I'm very grateful for the opportunity but the hotel is shitty but there's no Uber I'm outside of town I've eaten at the cracker barrel four times in two days because it's right next to the hotel

That's great eating Yeah I'm not gonna lie Did you go to Tudors? What's Tudors? It's a biscuit spot No no no I can't get around

I can't get around But I'm in But I literally When I'm not working I'm just in the hotel Doing nothing And I started to And this is the

I have TV I have my phone I have internet, I have Netflix, I have everything, but I understood prison. I was not in control of my ability to go anywhere. I didn't have a car. I couldn't even go rent a car. If I walk, there's no way where for me to walk. I'm locked.

I need warmth, so I have to stay inside. It's either cracker barrel or the hotel. Okay, well, think about that. And imagine that with no distraction. And I was going crazy. You're absolutely right. And think about that, because I've had that same feeling. In West Virginia, by the way.

You know, West Virginia, bro. But I'm going to tell you to that. difference. You could actually open that door and go walk outside. And I'm aware of it and I'm aware of it. And honestly, there were times where I just walked outside and then I walked back in. But I just needed to feel fresh air, freedom. I don't know what it was. But in these

moments, I was thinking about a guy in jail and I go, imagine I didn't have all these TV. Like, what do you do with the time? Yeah. What do you do with... And it's slow. Slow. Oh, it's slow. Fuck. They can't binge watch nothing. They're just sitting there with like four channels on TV. They have Facebook now.

They have Facebook? I have so many cousins in jail that keep hitting me on Facebook. So now you understand why you suck a dick. Yo, you're bored. Just to do something. No. It's like, you ever been on a long-ass-a-time?

Real talk. You ever been on a long-ass flight and then... And randomly sucks my dick? No. No, that never happened to me. I've never had that issue. I just had a bunch of long flights and that never occurred. No dick?

It never occurred on this flight. Those fights get short by about 30 minutes. But actually, matter of fact, there was a crazy story. You didn't hear about the girl who passed out on her flight? She was asleep and she woke up this dude was trying to finger. No. Yo, that's the most brave dude ever. Why is he brave?

I... Like, yo, in this era? You're stuck in the plane, you know? You're out of your fucking mind. You can't even run away or nothing. Like, this guy was trying to figure a girl in the fucking plane. That's the most insane thing I ever heard. How hard was she snoring?

Like, what kind of deep sleep did you think she was... I'm serious. Oh, she out. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? No, but all I'm saying is you've ever been on a crazy-ass flight and then turbulence hits and it's exciting? Because finally there's something to focus on because I've been so bored on the... That's why people get up just to walk around, you know what I'm saying? Go get a snack.

Like, whatever. I like writing on flight. So, like, I love just the free time. That's you locked in. Yeah, because nobody can get a hold of you. And, like, you just... I treat planes like jail. I'm going to sleep.

I'll be out. I'm getting fucked. I'll be out. Yo, someone getting some dick on this flight. How on this flight? Hey, you, George, in first class. What's happening? Hey, move that curtain.

Move that curtains, George. It could be no privacy on this first class. Listen, man, let me tell you all something. Jazz Fly, I don't even want to say she's the next anybody. But I'm going to tell how much I believe in what jazz does as a writer. I believe jazz is. what Shonda Rhymes does, I believe jazz is that

times 10 to me. Rare air. I don't put too much pressure on her. I won't put too much pressure on her, but I'm just saying, and I've been reading jazz stuff for years. Like, and she just gets better and better. Can I just say that to that part of it? Yo, when I, in 2013, it was right around the corner in this same studio,

I was so frustrated. I knew I wanted to go back to TV. and I wrote my first pilot. Which was Empire. It was reckless. Which was Empire. By the way, Jazz wrote Empire way before they was Empire. When I saw Empire, it wasn't the actual Empire.

I said, Jazz, you know this is reckless, right? That was her show, reckless, but yeah. And that's, yeah, and I know what to do at that point because most of my contacts in Hollywood had moved on. And I went to you. I didn't know who else to go to. I had that and I had the stand trailer. And I sat with Charming and I was like, this is what I have and I showed him. And he was like, yo, okay, I see it.

And he was actually, you were the first person to actually believe in me. You and B, who became my agent. And it's, and not only has it been that, it's been, you know, people think that you get on and all of a sudden you're on. It's like, this shit has been a build and it's been highs and lows. Yo, Charlene has paid my rent. Stop. You're, why? You have to...

No, but, like, no, just want to my... Listen, tell you something. No, but, like, no, but, like, that's important. It's important. That's a beautiful thing you say. Oh, I should say it. But he's going to get a lot of calls like... Let me pay my motherfucker running.

You just figure it out. You hit me with a figure it out. He's going to get some hashtag me too. I'm sorry, Steve. Yo, you blew up his whole spot. It's all good. It's all good. But that's the level of like, like, I believe.

All I say is all you people who thought Charlotte was going to pay your reign then, he don't believe in you. That's true. I mean, he don't believe in you. There's something to that, though. It is something to that. Like, I believe in jazz that much. I think she's that dope.

But I appreciate that. How much was your rent? No, that's not. I don't know. How much of rent was? Because if the rent was like four grand, I would be like, baby, you got downshops. I don't know. I don't know if we're going to do all this four grandchild.

I believe in you, boo, but I believe you need a roommate. That's what I believe. Listen, listen, like I said, I say it to say, like, you know, you saying that means more than anybody else saying that. Work. Yeah. Yeah. Shit, look at I'm doing two-hour clips.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We come back hard in the first year. Oh, man, we come back hard on the first year. Tell them where to find you, Jazz Fly. You can find me on social media. It's Jazz Fly. J-A-S-F-L-Y. What a S, not a Z.

And then Tuesday nights, this is us on NBC. Get them tears out, man. We got the Super Bowl episode coming up. Really? It's right after the Super Bowl. And then... Where's your caryshow start? We start filming in the spring, so it won't air until the end of the year, probably.

What is your storyline on This Is Us? so we can follow. It doesn't work. Like, it's not a, every person writes one storyline. You're in the room, you're breaking it, and then the individual writer goes off and writes the episode. Okay. So it is collaborative in, like, how you...

Oh, yeah, totally. Okay. Yeah. But the actual episode is written by one writer, and then they work with the showrunners, etc. Gotcha, that's good. Yeah. Okay.

Oh, that's Jazz Fly. Thank you. This whole new black renaissance that's going on. I feel like jazz is a part of that even though her stuff is way more broader than just, you know. I mean, I am honored to be in that, you know, it's like it's the era of the black creative. I want hopefully that to extend to the Latino creative, to the Asian creative, et cetera. But I think he might have messed it up for the Muslim Indian creative. I don't know.

Real talk. This is the most Indian Aziz has been. Whoa. I'm right. I'm just saying, this is for the first time. This is the first time I'm like, this guy might be Indian, bro.

I'm going to employ your advice and say, let me go. As always, full circle. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent,

you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast and you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit and jazz is the only one with sense, you're right, It's the brilliant of this podcast.

Thank you for listening. Boom!