The Brilliant Idiots - Mind Your Black Owned Business (Ft. Wayno & Ivy)

Episode Date: March 11, 2021

This week Wayno and Ivy join Charlamagne in the studio and discuss Drake's latest release, what makes an artist great, Jay-Z selling his stake in Tidal, what is owenership, and more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I got two of my favorite folks in this building. Two of my favorite folks who I like on a personal level, but also on the industry level too because they're just very common sense logical individuals. My man, Waino was here. Was good. Was goody. Was goody.

And a person, you know, I saw it today and I said, Strange of Danger because, you know, I haven't seen her in at least 400 plus days at this point. Ivy Rivera is here. Yes. Big money Ivy. Come on. If you follow her on Instagram, you see her everywhere.

Jamaica. Where you been during the pandemic? Because you wasn't following no social distancing rules. I didn't know you weren't. Yes, I have been following guidelines. Let's make this very clear. A lot of my days where I'm not traveling, I am stuck in the crib. You know, doing what I need to do drinking my teas and all of that. But, yeah, I just came back from Atlanta. All-Star weekend. It was crazy.

Where was you at before Atlanta, though? Jamaica. Okay. In Svay. How many islands you've been on in the past, let's say six months? Oof. Six months. I would say two.

Jamaica and where I saw you some else. Tulum. Yeah, that was a good time. Well, I'm happy to have you here, Ivy, man. It's a lot I want to talk about. It's a lot going on in the world of hip-hop. First of all, Wino, last time I saw you... It was like a week ago.

But, I mean, yeah, I talked about. I'm not going to say last time I spoke to Wino, I saw Wino. But we was on the podcast. We was here on this brilliant nidious podcast. It was right before the New Year. And I asked the question. Mm-hmm. I asked you a question.

The question was when Naila was here, and it was, is the Drake era over? It was a question. It wasn't a definitive statement. Right. You know what I mean? It was a question. And I saw the news yesterday

that he's going to have the number one and number two song in the country coming up. Is it safe to say the answer to the question is no? Yes, it's absolutely not. Like, you know, what's crazy, still get a lot of flag from that. Yes. But all I was saying at that time, because it was just everybody ran with that little

clip. I never said it was over. I just said that, like, I think we enter in a new era with Little Baby. We're, like, he's... I feel like Baby is in a space where, like, Wayne was in, like, 07. Where everything he'd get on, everybody loves it. Every time he drops something, niggas is checking for it, whatever. But, like, yeah, Drake, I ain't going to hold you.

That nigga, Drake is unstoppable, bro. He's different. He's unstoppable. He's very different. He's really good, too. Like, he's really, really good. We never said he wasn't. No.

We just asked the question. It's just that whenever you give critique of somebody that people say is the best, right? Mm-hmm. They think you're hating. Absolutely. Anytime you don't agree with everybody else agree with it, it's just hating. It's like, you usually be like, yo, I like oranges more than apples, man. Why are you hating on apples all the time?

Like, everything is always considered hate when you just don't go with what everybody else is saying. And it's not like what we said was we was trying to go against the grain. It's just like it's an honest question. I mean, it's just an honest question. Ivy, what would you say to answer to that question? I mean, Drake said it himself, it's a Roley, not a stop watch. Shit, don't never stop. It don't never stop.

I mean, he's really an innovator. He has changed the game in many ways. So for him to drop a three-track EP and two of the three is top two in the country, come on. Yeah, I've said it before. and, you know, the good things, the positive things I say about Drake

never, you know, seem to go anywhere. But the thing with Drake is I've never seen a musical run. Mm-hmm. This, somebody put out that much music for this long of a time and people haven't gotten tired of it yet. Yeah, yo, that nigga's really good, man.

Like, he's just really good. I was saying this earlier, like, I feel like when it comes to, like, rapping ability, like, it can always be argued, like, if somebody's a better rapper than him. But as far as, like, making music, he's, like, the best nigga to ever, like, make music.

I can't even, I can't even. Why do y'all see stuff like that? So, so I'm going to push back. All right, so look, real quick, let me just put it, let me, let me frame it up a little bit. So, yeah, I, of course, everybody know I'm, I love Jay-Z, as that's my favorite rapper of all time, right? Do I feel like Jay-Z is a better rapper than him?

Absolutely. Yes. Do I think that this nigga just has a fucking Drake, I'm talking about, has, like, this, to make undeniable songs, like 90% of the time, yes, where I don't feel like that's the same for Jay. I feel like Jay... What?

No, now listen, listen, I'm not talking about rapping. I'm not talking about his rapping ability. I'm talking about, like, it's way more songs that come from Jay, that niggas of question. Like, that shit, all right, like, it ain't... That's very true. It's very true. And I'm...

Oh, my God. That's very true, bro. That's very true. Respectfully, that song, the entrepreneur joined with... That shit came. It came and went. Nobody. It came and went.

And it was a good. Yes, it is. How is it not a sort of? It's a verse on it. Bro, it's all the nigger Farrell is saying, all for us saying, Black man, Black man, Black man. That's all he's saying on the whole song,

right. All I'm saying, look, look. That's disliked. No, no, look, because people, Y'all jump out of the window. I'm not jumping out the window because I'm the nigga

that always go against, like, I always go. Drake think I do not like him. I don't know this nigga at all, right? All I'm saying is, bro is like when it come to making songs like you you just said that it's not been a nigga that had a musical run this long so how is that like how is that that that's that's not on drake that to me that's more on the consumer usually consumers get fed up with people it just is we live in an

era like the best niggas yeah not the best niggas no not the best niggas you're not going to see and act like jar rule wasn't one of the best at one time why is you bringing up jaru bro like come on my nigga like that's such an old example to you was like wasn't one of the best at one time Niggas, now look, D-MEC's core. 50 C wasn't one of the best at one time. But you compare it in Owen News. Wait, wait, wait, wait. But these guys were red hot.

Listen, listen, listen, real quick. The guy you just mentioned, Lou Wayne wasn't red hot at one time? Yes, he was, but guess what? You know what Wayne's problem was? Everybody that you mentioned, they hit a point where they stopped making great music. Not that they lost their ability. Wayne could still rap as good as everybody else.

But as far as making songs, that nigg don't make the same type of songs he used to make. Now that's the difference, right? Drake has more diverse sounding music. I still think Jay has a better catalog. Yeah, I mean, bro, this is the thing. End of the day, like, everybody feels like the best nigga from their era is the best person ever, right? With everything.

Drake feels like Jay's the best one ever. Yes, because that's of his era growing up. I'm talking about, like, for this generation, I'm not of this generation. I'm two years from 40. Like, I'm not of this generation. But for these kids, that is the best nigg. ever for them the same way how Jay was the best nigger for us

for us for basketball yeah Jordan then in the 2010s it's well 2000s they say Kobe and in the 2010s is LeBron I'm not disputing any of that all I'm simply saying is you can't act like Jay Z's musical catalog isn't anybody said that

see nobody's not saying that his you said Drake had a better cataloged I didn't say I didn't even use the word catalog nigga you said that No no no no I'm saying I'm saying that like What I'm saying is this is that, bro, the nigger Jay been doing this shit since I was in junior high school. Okay, I'm not discounting that, right? I'm not discounting that.

All I'm saying is, is for where, for songmaking. I'm not, Jay never loses his rapability at all. He never, but let's not act like it's not mad songs that you don't give a fuck about from Jay Z. I'm going to tell you the wackest JZ songs of all time. Songs you can't even, it's a lot of, it's, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not like. What you call whack though, damn? What you call whack, though? Justify my thug, garbage.

Nah, you're fucking. See, you, you went all the left. Justify my thug? I thought you was going to say some of that shit off that Magnaccarly shit. No, the shit would usher the script club record. What was that on? I'm still on Bluefront. Kingdom Come?

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of questions that we should on it. Change clothes? Change clothes not a bad song. I'm going to have to jump. He's not a bad song. It's not a bad song. It's all your preference at the end of the day, though.

And this is what I'm saying, look, like, Drake, like, Drake, the nigger can rap too, right? But I'm saying, like, his rapping ability is not, I don't feel like, like, like, his rapping ability is better than J's, but, nigga, if you talk about just songs, and I didn't agree when academics said this shit, like, a year ago. Like, he was like, yo, if, if niggas got to go song for song, now it depends on who you playing the songs for, right? Exactly. It depends on what you're playing the songs for.

No, no, no, no, I'm not being disrespectful. You're talking about having a run for this long, bro. Like, it's not that many songs from Drake. I'm talking about it's not that many songs from Drake that you be like, that's a bad song. But the only reason I give Drake credit for this run is because of the quantity of music he puts out. If we're going album for album,

because that's what Jay did for over 10 years. Jay definitely got better albums. That's my point. Jay definitely has better albums. But just for somebody to have as many features and release as many songs as Drake does, I've never seen a run where nobody's gotten tired of him. Can I use a basketball analogy?

Please. Okay. Michael Jordan is the greatest nigger to ever play basketball He's not the greatest person To shoot a basketball He's not All right

Steph Curry is the best nigga To ever shoot a basketball In basketball history Of course Okay, that's what I'm saying No, I don't like that. No, no, he is Seth is

But I don't like that analogy I think Drake is more I think he is more LeBron I think I just think Drake has a better percentage Of like See, it depends Because we're talking about

Who you playing the records for Because if you're playing the records For me I'm J all day But I'm just saying like bro, Drake, that nigger's not regular, bro. Ivy, you like who? I like both.

I love Jay. I love Drake. I think they both had their experiences with different times. Like, if Jay was in a streaming era, it would have been over. Drake is of the streaming era. So he has more leverage, you know, and he's also evolving with the times. Like, he's finding different ways to, like, you know, put people on, not saying that Jay didn't do it, but you can't.

Drake hasn't done that yet. It was, what you mean? He put a-no-not-not-wait-wait. He will find an emerging artist and throw a verse on it and then boom. He just never broke it. But he got that formula from Jay, though. He is, bro, he took his whole shit. Yeah.

He mimicked his whole shit. But all I'm saying, like, and what Ivy is saying, yeah, well, Jay don't do so as as with niggas. Like, he don't do songs with up-and-combing niggas at all. Now, if we talk about breaking artists on your label, Drake has not done that. No, he has is party. But we know, we got to take a step back with Jay because you remember, Jay jumped on high remix back in the day, right? Yeah, but it was a big record before he jumped on it.

That's true, but you were still a new artist. Yeah, but it was still a big record before he jumped. Nobody never heard of it. And I'm this, because I love Blackboy J.B. That's my nigger, but nobody never heard of this nigger until look alive. Yeah, yeah, I see what you saying. And it's very arguable that people are not checking for him now. Listen, I'm not even mad to have this conversation because Drake deserves to be in this conversation.

All right? But I'm just saying, I just think personally Jay has a better catalog, but I respect Drake because I've never seen somebody put this much music out, have this many features, and nobody's gotten tired of them. And that brings us to three pack. I liked the three pack. You know why I like the three pack? Because Drake's not hungry again. He be talking that talk. I'm sorry.

But what he had lasted back in the day, though? Because you can't, the only person we can compare to is. Jay because we talk about 96 to 2006, 2009 or 2010 to 2011. It's the same like... But see, Jay was getting his mogul on too, though, so Jay was in his executive bag. Man, fuck the executive shit. We talk about music. But there's music because without Jay, you don't get Rick Ross.

I know, but we're not counting... We don't get Rihanna. We're not counting that as to... Come on, brother. You should? Nah, man, come on, bro. We should. We got to put executives over artists if that's the case.

Because that's the pressure I'm putting on Drake now. I like the three-pack. And the three-pack really made me look. No, I'm going to tell you why. The three-pack made me look forward to certified lover boy, right? But I'm looking forward to certified lover boy because Drake sounds like he's got something to prove. Now, if so far gone was Drake's, let's just say, reasonable doubt. If take care, well, let's, let's, was Drake's, let's say, Hard Knock Life Volume 2?

That's a good. Right? Then where's his blueprint? We're waiting for that blueprint, right? Nothing was the same. But see, that's the problem when we compare these albums is we're looking at like the content of the album as to how we're viewing it. That's a big part of it. Like you're looking at the content.

These are two totally different niggas like because it's almost like the Allen-Nivis and shit. Like you know how you talk about all the Kniv's and nigga like, well, he's the first nigga to wear a shoe and sleeve. Like, you know what I mean? But that nigga wore a du rag. It's like, it's like, niggas be like, and niggas be like, man, Drake ain't ever catch a gun charge and stab a nigga in a club. Like that's what niggas be using as the argument to who's... I don't even think it's a question of who's better. I don't think that's a question.

But I feel like if we're talking about in terms of who's the next of that error is him is... Yeah, but I'm not comparing content of the albums. I'm comparing what those albums did. Nothing was the same, bro. And so far gone, who's had a much bigger impact culturally and commercially than reasonable doubt did. Right? But I'm just talking about as far as people saying your first album is a classic. You said so far gone had more of a cultural impact?

Culture and commercial. The reasonable doubt? I mean, yeah. At the time, yes. But see, but bro, it's hard. It's like, you can't, the reason why I'd never do that is because these are two totally different times in existence. Like, everything is different. It's like, like, I just said, like, the streamer era.

But Jay sold, he had niggas lining up for blocks to sell physical copies. So it's one of the same. I don't think, like, you can really compare it. It's unfair. It's unfair. It's unfair. It is. You can compare energy for sure.

But I don't, I don't look at it. that so far gone is like, if that's the case, I don't look at that as reasonable doubt for him. If all you have to compare Drake to is Jay-Z, then he has done his job. Absolutely. He has done his job. Because he superseded Wayne as far as a rapper. What are you going to do? I still don't think he's going to, I don't know.

To Rick Ross, and they're all great. There's nobody greater than Jay Zee. But you think he would have lasted? Wayne would be the hardest nigga to win the versus against. Yo, you think he would have lasted like him. Wayne is like one of the hardest niggas in every fucking decade, bro. Like, what I was trying to do. Like, no, I don't think he would have did that back then.

He would have lasted back then. Who? No, Drake. Nah, yeah, DMX, they were too hard back then for him. But this, I'm saying, you can't, you, like, we can't play, we can't be Monday quarterback, Monday night quarterback in fantasy football. What if would have happened? Like, you got to go off or what it is.

It's like. I get it. I'm with you, but that's why I say I'll go off energy. I, you know, when I say so far gone with his reasonable doubt, that's just from the aspect of first album, solidified them. you knew this dude was something, right? We just didn't know what that something was going to be. Take care to me was the album that really commercially,

not just set Drake up, but set up like Toronto in a way. Like, that's when you knew like Drake and the 6th and the 40 sign that arrived. That's how I feel about Hard Knock Life Bomb too for Jay. I feel like that's when Jay became a star star. Yeah. But then now... Thank Me Later is definitely his in my lifetime album. I don't remember which one was Snake Me Later?

His first album, bro. Maybe later is his first hour I always consider So Far Gone That's when I first heard him That's when you're... No, no, so far gun is before, thank me later. Yeah, that's why I always consider So Far Gone The first album.

The first project. I mean, yeah, but it's like he got his records on there that ain't his record He got freestyles on there. I just remember that whatever year that was, I think it was like 0-9. Yeah, it was not a woman's house I would go over,

a woman's car I would get into that was not listening The So Far Gone. But I'm saying all I like to say I'm waiting for Drake to give us a blueprint. Because Blueprint is absolutely Jay-Z's best project, right? Some people say. We're not never going to get it if we look at it from that context, bro.

We're not never going to get it because we compare. It's like saying, like, all right, and that's why I always use basketball analogies because that's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's like, all right, LeBron got to give us a last Jordan shot. It's like, you know how many factors got to go into like that Utah shot for that to happen? It's like, that might never ever happen. So I don't think that we could put it in a blueprint content. Like, we just got to appreciate a great.

album from this nigga. I think we can get it. But he falls under that, I'm sorry to cut you up, he falls under that pressure, though. I think that's why he made Scorpion. You know what I mean? Because he falls under the pressure, a nigga saying, oh, he should only, because I feel like, if that nigga did an album just rapping,

he'd give us a blueprint. That's my point. But it's not going to be blue print. I'm not saying it's energy wise, it'll be the album that everybody be like, damn. Because I feel like you got to diss niggas. If you're going to make a blueprint, you got this niggas, bro. You got to make a takeover or all that. But I feel like he does it all the time.

And Drake is this type of artist, like he has range. There's not, I don't believe that there's going to be a project where he's just strictly rapping. He's gonna drop some vocals. Yeah. Like, there's, what's that project, Jesus Christ? If you're reading this is too late. It's not even an album.

That's probably the best project he has ever made in my opinion. Let me actually just, I be like, why we don't call it out? Like, do you know what I hate about that shit? It's like, why don't we consider that an album? Because he didn't. But it's still an album. Look, they still spent the same money in the same marketing. You know what I'm saying?

It's still, it didn't roll out the same way, but it's like, to me, that ranks in his discography is one of his best things he's ever done. No, I do. That's actually my favorite Drake album, if you're reading this, is too late. But that's the most controversial one as well. Because that's the writing shit. I didn't give a fuck. I mean, I don't give a fuck now, but at that time, bro, like, we ain't going to act like,

we can go sweep that under it, bro. At that time, I don't hold him to that no more. Because after that, the amount of niggas I know that don't write their shit is like, I don't even care no more, right? Honestly, I just side note, I thought that was always a thing that could have taken hip hop further. And I'll tell you why, you know, you see these artists in other genres of music. They're always with different writers, different producers. And that's why a lot of them stay around for a long time.

Yeah. Like, if you're willing to do that as a hip hop artist, your run might be way longer. But rap is more competitive in the sense of I'm better than you, not we're better than y'all. You know what I'm saying? It's full of ego. If people could craft everything by themselves, they would. They don't want to accept the help because now they feel like they're taking away a part of themselves of what makes them great. Well, I mean, that's one of the things that may hip-up.

I mean, like, when you think about hip-hop, because we trace it back to the roots of it, it's like, if you didn't write your rhymes, then, like, yeah, it's like you got joked on for that or you wasn't as good because you had help. I think it's such a different conversation now that, like, because drink is only one, bro. I say like at least 60% of these niggas don't write they shit. Like 60% bro, 65. When you say don't write, you mean like don't write a lick? I say, no, I see, yeah. I feel like 65% of these niggas got reference tracks. Well, it's different now because some of these motherfuckers sound like they don't write.

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, they have. They sound like they're going to booth high and just talk. Yeah, but it's a science to that shit, though. It's a science to that too. Like, for real. How many is it? Now, those shit comes out of that, though.

I'm saying how much dover could you be if you, because catching the melody is important, right? Like, you've heard these rappers like, I've heard Jay mumbling, but he's mumbling the melody. It's nothing there yet, but you just hear that flow will be like. How much doper would it be if you caught the melody and actually took that melody and wrote some shit for you? I feel like that's all particular to each person's process

because it's like I've never been in the studio with future, but I heard that that nigger goes in the booth and just does a hundred. Like, you know what I mean? Here, do that and then go back and then that shit becomes some of the greatest records we ever heard from it. So it's like, I think it's all particular to like what your process is. Because I don't think like if you cannot write it and it sounds just as good, then that's fine. Like you don't have to write it down for it to sound good.

There's even artists that work backwards where they will write the song, they don't even have a beat yet. And they will arrange it to something that they find to like make it complete. That's how niggas in jail write music. That's how niggas is your music. I mean, of course, because they don't got a beat in front of them. You don't beat on their chest. It's a beat on their chest. God, that ass.

He's doing that shit. But I mean, listen, I'm expecting a lot from Aubrey. I am. I'm still expect. And listen, people debate about whether or not he got a classic album. Yeah. When I talk to like the ivies of the world and, you know, the Nihilis. Like to that generation, something like Take Care is a classic.

You know what I mean? If you're reading this, it's too late, is a classic. You know, so I can't compare it to the classics I grew up on. But at this point, especially after hitting that three pack, if he sticks to rap, I think he can give us one. And you said something too. One of y'all said something. You said it was about being better in rap. I don't think that's the case no more. I think it's about being bigger. I think the reason we love Drake is because he can rap. But as I've said, he's talking that talk. But rap is all about shit talking. He's the biggest artist in the world. But rap is always

always been about like who's the best shit talker, bro. That's always been. Like, that's why I love Mace. Because Mace was like the greatest shit talker ever at rapping. Really? What? call him bias lately these niggas make me want to send him heat without AC you think something sweet and taste me

like bro he was to be talking that shit talking that shit talking that shit talking that's shit talking what the damn Lexing

you just don't that's that's crazy him and Mays that's why he hate on maize because him and Mays they don't like each other

but I don't even know that I don't dislike Mace I don't dislike Mace I don't even know what happened All I'm saying is don't say that Mace wasn't one of the best

shit talkers, bro. He's one of the... He was at his time. I'm not talking about today. I'm talking my at his time. No, I never felt that. Bro, it was a point in time where he was a bigger artist than Jay Z. I'm not saying that. But I still think Jay was a better shit talk, especially when Jay jumped on there and said, um, check your own credits. You always be number two. Check your own

video, you always be number two. You don't remember the the, um, 112 song though? I can hum all you want to? No, bro. You can't have one. You don't know what a problem? Like, he wanted... You all you? That's all about a lot of you. Oh yeah, niggas talking platinum, this, platinum. No, he said, when it comes to platinum, platinum always wrapped my wrist.

The 112 song, um, mm-mm-mm, mm-hmm, uh-uh, he, cats never won the problem like we want it. Well, Harlem up, well, Harlem world. You throw G's on it. Yeah, I push the green seven hundred and G's on it. And if you can't see the ice, that means my sleeves on it. That was a J-Disc, that reggae. I don't even think Cam is top three Harlem shit talkers. You said what?

I don't even think he's top three Harlem shit talkers. Because. What? Cam? Yeah, Cam is number one. But Mace? You have to give him his flowers. You love him.

I'd be like four. I say Cam, Jim Jones, McGruff. Oh, my God. He's like anybody but me. See, though, because you know what? I can't control my reactions. Jim, my brother. I don't want everything.

Bro, Jim be talking shit. I love Jim to death. That's my nigga. I know Jim since I was 18 years old. He's not a better shit talker when it came to rap than Mace. When Mace was the man. Mayth ain't never had I'll smack your coofy offline. I'm not talking about, see, I'm talking about rapping,

I'm not talking about my aggression. That's shit talking, no. I'm not talking about it's pure aggression. That's shit talking. Jim was the most pure aggressive nigga ever. I'm not talking about rapping-wise. By the way, in the past three years, out of New York City, just New York City, not New York State, New York City.

Nobody's been making better than better music than Jim Jones. You said out of New York City over the last three years. Pop Smoke? I mean, I know he passed, but you were put. Are you dumb to be? That's different. That's a different era. It's not a different era,

Nicky. New York. New York. What happened to young M.A.? She's smoking everybody. Young M. can't. See, I can't,

I don't want y'all get to cook up to. We ain't heard the songs. Let's be honest. No, no. I've heard the songs. Young and May can rap an ass off. I just think that people don't take gay artist serious. I think that's the biggest problem with her shit.

And I'm not a problem that's what she is. Missy. Missy was huge. Who said Missy gay? Missy wasn't. Oh, I didn't know Missy was gay. But we're not talking about. But we're not talking about...

This guy is so crazy. No, dead-ass, though. I feel like people view... Like, people don't take Young & May as serious because of that, for real. If Young & May was strictly, you know... If Young & May looked like Meg the Stallion, and she rap the way she do, her respect would be through the roof. If Young & May was a nigger, because she raps better than mad niggas...

I don't think you got nothing to do with her sexuality. Yes, it do. I think that UREC record was too big. I think if Young & May had a... like records before that because she can wrap her ass off if she was respected I'm talking about rapping

I'm talking about if she was respected as a lyricist first and then gave us ooh we'd be like oh because what's all she's been doing since ooh is just barring niggas up

and it's dope but she ain't gave us another record she gave us big what's big trip big rent yeah it wasn't like ooh

I mean outside yeah yeah that was for the summer I never heard the other one though I ain't from ooh is that's a matter like we got Beyonce

posting your shit like that's a whole post Hell, yeah, Beyonce did like a fucking, not big, I'm talking about ooh. Oh, okay, my own piece. Like a boomerang or some shit to ooh before. But that's my point. Ooo was so big.

But that's the problem. That's the gift and the curse of having a fucking hit rap. As a lyricist. Because she can't rap. I respect her as a lyric. No, she can't. She's a bar you to fuck up. She the best, yo, rapping wise, there's no girl I can rap better than her.

Why do you say? What about Rap City? Niki. Rhapsody. Rap City is a monster. Rap City. Yeah, yeah. I give it to rap city.

He's a monster. I give it the Raptity, but Young M. As far as rapping. Rapity, rap better than all these niggas. Niggas. Listen, I'm not taking another way to Rhapsody. My fault, my sister, Rhapsody for forgetting you in that moment. But Rhapsody, and I put Young M. as far as rappers.

I agree with that. But Nikki's number one. I put Nikki over A. I agree with that. I agree with that. But I'm saying all that this day, we're expecting a lot from Drake. And if we were wrong, if we said that Drake's, if we said Drake's era was over. No, it's not over.

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What deal do we want to start with? because I saw my guy, Wayno, posted tweet yesterday. Let me find his tweet so I can read it verbatim. Before I even, I know I wanted to talk about this, but when I saw Wayno tweet this, I said, yeah, I got to get Wayno on. Because Wayno said something that I 100% agree with. Let me go to Elliot Wilson because he reposted everything, and that's why I saw it.

Let me see. Waino said, y'all idiots think the only way to own something is owning 100% of it. What did you mean by that, Wayne? Oh, it's found. I mean, something that I always say, man, 100% of zero is still zero. You know what I mean? A lot of people, this is the thing, right?

Like, everybody got their right to give their opinion, right? Everybody has the right to say something. But, like, you could also always be held accountable for the shit that you say and the misinformation you spread. And I feel like, because the crazy thing about it is that people think that because I work for Rock, I really don't give a fuck about what Jay Z do it, don't. I ain't got to check. I'm dead serious.

You're a black man in America. We all care about what Jay-Z does. Listen, what he does is good. What I'm saying about that is that shit don't make, it don't put a dollar in my pocket and they'll take one out. And inspires me to go get more money, though. And inspires me to go get more moves. So what I mean is, is that people be thinking that I'm on some, like,

train where I'm trying to defend everything he does. All I'm saying is, this is that I see so many people giving critique that don't know shit about business. And I'm, and I might have, I agree with it. I might be personalizing in a bit because I'm having individual conversations and I'm giving a general blanket statement. but yo people think that like all right if you sell shares of your company or if you build the company up and then you you bring in a partner that that means that your company isn't black

owned anymore so like my problem my question that I pose to people is this because a lot of people say it for jZ but not anybody else it only applies to him it's like okay so black people we want everybody everybody to do business with us but we shouldn't do business with anybody That's the question I pose Because I know I never see that happen when it's Rihanna making her being worth a damn near billion dollars Having a billion dollar company that she doesn't own a hundred percent of three point six billion Billion three point six billion yeah she doesn't own a hundred percent of right? She owns I think 15 percent maybe more I know I know last time I checked it was 15 thus you know but people still consider it

That's her being the richest woman in music but but people still consider it her company yes exactly so Thus the yeah I think that the only way to own something is owning 100% of it. You get what I'm saying? 100% Because people just critique it all the time and they don't be, it'd be the niggins that ain't never made a deal

ever in their life. They don't want to talk. Yeah, what Jay-Z said, everybody wants to tell you how to do it, but they never done it, you know? I've worked for one of them black-owned companies that has a lot of partnerships, Combs Enterprises.

Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I mean, it's so many places we could go at this, right? I looked at, I saw Michael Rainey Jr. Tarek from Powell He called Jayzee Timberland and Swiss Beach sellouts

for the deals that they're making And what I would tell young Michael Rainey He's 20 years old I would say From now on Because you box yourself in a corner When you say things like that

You don't own stars You don't own any of the production companies That film any of those franchises that you're on on power, ghost, whatever it is. Unit productions, he's not a partner of that. No, exactly. Pretty sure he's not.

And I would also tell Michael Rainey, when you say things like that, young man, when you come up with an idea for a TV show or a movie, you better fund it yourself, you better produce it yourself, and you better distribute it yourself. Are we going to be on your ass? Oh, yeah. Because based on your logic, you would be a sellout if you created an idea and then partnered with a company to put said idea out.

Right. So I'd be wondering, where does this logic come from from certain individuals when they say certain things? Do they really believe this? Or do they not know any better? Are they just going with whatever the Internet is saying at the time? Because a lot of people wake up and they see certain things and they wait for the Internet to tell them how to feel about it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's life.

It's like a business etiquette at the end of the day. Like you're not educating yourself enough beyond what you see on social media. The popular opinion becomes a... truth, which is not the truth. You know, so it's like if everybody's saying like, this ain't that, then you're going to believe that this ain't that without doing your own research. Right. And that's the problem.

Nobody do no fucking research. It's just like all of these people. The shit that kills me is this, right? It's like, I understand why there's levels in business, right? Like, like, bro, if you work in at Target and you just work on the floor, you don't know what the managers talk about. You know what I'm saying? Like, for real, bro, like, you're not privy to that information.

Until you raise your shit up, that's when you start, that's when they can start calling you in the rooms that have them conversations. So for people who are not in these, that's not a part of no type of business, and so many people that I've seen never executed no business. They ain't even scratching the inclination of what I do. You're going to tell, like, you telling me what this does for every. And it's brothers, I'm going to talk to my brother when I talk to him. But saying that, y'all, yeah.

No, no, not act. I, man, Act is off the hook because Act be talking a lot of boys Act don't practice where he preach at all, bro. Listen, he's the funniest nigga on the planet. But, um... I talked to Act yesterday.

Horrell. What I'm saying is, is this, is right? Like, he said, because people just say, oh, he's in business for herself. So the title thing, that's what it was. But people say, yo, don't know black people. You know how many black people I know work at title? That's what I saw Ax say that.

I hit Act yesterday because I was just like, I was like, yo, Act, you got it. I need to, I need clarity. I need to know why you think Jay-Z is selfish for that. Selfish is a strong word to use when a man spends $56 million of his own money to buy a screaming service

brings in 16 artists and for their cultural cachet gives them all 3% each of said company then sells that company for five times what he bought it for and all of those people with 3% equity get $8.9 million and they're still the second largest

shareholders in the company. Amazing. How is that? What kills me is all the people that when a nigger did it said, I ain't buying no title. I ain't giving that nigga Jay Z no money. What was the, we'll support black business then. Yo, niggas was like, man, that nigga, him and Beyonce is rich. I'm not giving them niggins.

I already got Apple. I already got, but see, the problem is is that there's a face to the name. That's the biggest problem. It's a face to the name and people personalize how they feel. Listen, I don't know. I've never seen the nigga that own Spotify. I don't know what he looked like. I know that he's a young white kid or whatever, but like nobody knows who you look.

He's not saying that they're not going to pay for Spotify. They're paying for a service. But because you count another nigger's pockets, now it's a problem. McDonald's a client. Or he's got more money? Now, we can't give them no more. And Title gives you more money from your streams than all those other services. That's the fact.

If I was, if, if title would have had, let's just say half to describe his Applehead. Right. If they had half to subscribe as Spotify had, you probably wouldn't have a need to sell. You know what I'm saying? But y'all didn't support. Right? And I think we have these conversations about black ownership, but we don't have conversations about black business enough.

Right. Because what Jay did with title is great black business. 16 black families are now damned in $9 million richer. Amazing. Because of a deal that this man did. And I saw Axe about, there's no white, there's no black people that work in title. You saw the picture.

It's like, yo, man, he bought a company. It's not like title started from scratch. It was a pre-existing company that he bought. So you saw the Switzerland office. Have you ever been to Rock Nation's offices? No. No, they have not. None of them have.

It's family and all life. Me and you were wax went there before when they first opened that shit. That's right. Remember that wax when we all went there? But that's what I'm saying. It's like, that's the problem, man. Don't nobody know, but it's cool to just say shit to everybody. Be like, yeah, that's-

And the ones who talk. Bro, it's just, it's ridiculous. But you know what? I don't get what, because people go and make up whatever they make up, man. And people make shit up about me that I'd be like, for real. Like, I didn't know that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like.

And it'd be the ones that never shook your hand. Never shook your hand. Talk about it. And never did a business deal ever. Even with the Swiss and Tim thing, right? It's like, oh, man, let's look at what this is. And this shit actually inspires so many creators, right? Yeah.

Swiss and Tim started doing something on Instagram for fun. There was no business to it. None. It was, let's get on Instagram. Let's battle each other. And then next thing, you know, they get hip boy and boy wonder. to do it. And now they got all these other artists involved and we're all intrigued. And then Apple gets involved and, you know, it starts becoming somewhat businessy.

Right. Right. They could have stuck with Apple. They decided to go somewhere where not only did they do a great deal and put money in people's pockets, but they gave 40 plus artists equity in a company that didn't even exist last year. And not just equity in versus, they got equity in Trilla. a company that's had an evaluation for over like a billion dollars. Yeah. 40 plus black people have equity in this app that's going to sell one day. But I'm going to tell you, I'm going to say what I'm going to say at the potluck.

If it ain't no cornbread, the niggas did bad. I'm telling you, bro. That's how it be, bro. Like, they can personalize everything. And it'll be the people that don't do no business. That's the shit that kills me. Like, if it was other like big business people saying some shit about it, then I'd be, all right, let's look into this.

There'd be people that don't do no business. no, they don't execute no big business and not doing nothing to change anything for the money themselves. And I think people when they hear Timberlin and Swiss say, we own Triller. They have ownership in Triller now. It's like the other 40 artists who participated in verses. Listen, I think a lot of these companies, man, you know, especially these companies that are ran by white people, they're having reckonings with their white guilt.

That's just the truth to the matter. And all these conversations we're having about reparations and whatnot. When you look at Robert Smith executing his. 2% plan where he's telling these Fortune 500 companies to give up 2% of their net income to different, you know, black organizations and black entities. I saw Goldman Sachs yesterday there giving out, I think, $10 billion to black women over the next five years or 10 years or something like that. That's what we're seeing right now.

We're seeing all these various companies figure out how they can give back to black culture. That's why you see these equity deals happening in this way. And I'm so sick of the word equity. Motherfuckers is throwing that word around. I don't even know what that means. Right. I don't know what that means. I don't even know what equity means.

Right, right. Like Swiss Beach, Timberland, they have actual equities. Absolutely. In Trilla. All for something that they built. And people don't even know, like, Swiss did the first, you know what the first verses was.

Summer Jam. Nope. What? The first verses was Swiss Bees versus Just Blaze. At Summer Jam, wasn't it? No, they did that shit in like somebody stew in the crib. Oh, I didn't see that shit. When Swiss played the song with DMX,

Jay Naz and Jada kiss that nobody never heard. Oh, that was supposed to be off his album or some shit like that. We ain't no way this shit came from. We never heard it again. You know what I'm saying? But that was just an idea

that they turned into something. And it's like to see, like that young man that said, sellouts, bro. Like, you know what a fucking sellout is, bro? Can't sell out unless people want to buy in. And that's what I call it. I call it people buying in.

You know what I'm saying? And once again, y'all talking about flips. You don't put your own money up. Swiss and Tim didn't spend a dime. So whatever they got from Trilla is all profit. And those folks from Trilla

let Swiss, Tim, and 40 other black people have equity in their company. It's all I don't care if they got a half a percent. That company sells for a billion dollars. They're getting half a percent or whatever that billion is. That's some M's. For nothing.

What are we talking about? There's only two ways to do business. Good and bad. That's good business. I know what's you're talking about. I have no idea. It's even frustrating to watch. It's just like What are y'all talking about? But that's it. I just, I don't know, like, you know what it is?

I don't know what white Twitter looks like. So I don't know if, like, when they, when they doing business deals, if they're kicking each other backs in. But I'm just keeping it a hundred, bro. Like, every time somebody do something, it's every-backlash. Everybody always got some negative shit to say. When you did your shit, bro, like, people have negative shit to say. It's like, people always got some negative shit to say without knowing.

I mean, like, without knowing. If you're going to say something, at least provide another solve. with actual proof of success in this idea because y'all just fucking yapping about nothing. Like, it's just words going into the air is not affecting any business. Like, your personal opinion matters, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't stick to the wall.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, brings up a good point. Everybody likes to discuss problems, but nobody has solutions. No. And people act like there's one way to do things, which is so funny to me, because you see Hove do it one way,

you see Swiss and Tim do it one way, but you critique all over the way. ways, but you have no way. No way. No way. How are you gonna hear from outside the club? You can't even get in. It ain't.

No, for real, bro. That's the craziest shit. Them hoes in it ugly. A nigger, it'd be a nigger, God. I kid you not, it'd be a nigger that ain't never did shit telling you. You know how many people tell me, like, how to do my job. Like, it'd be people like, yo, why don't you just sign him?

I'd be like, your dog, I went to his shit. The nigger got a thousand views in three years. What's the fuck? What's gonna do? So after I take all of, after I put my, my job on the line by signing something like this, invest the money, and then the shit don't come back right, niggas gonna say, man, we ain't for the coach.

Man, if you would have just been for the coach, it would have worked. Like, that's what people... But that's what I'm saying, you're going to work around without knowing business, bro. Like, they don't be knowing no business. And then when, you know, when people say, like, oh, they finesse black people because they make it seem like it's about supporting black business and yada, yada, yada,

yo, you're still supporting black business. It's not like Jay's sold title The Square Inc. And walked away. No. And this is the ill part. Do y'all know Jay sold a third of title to sprint a few years ago? Yeah, like $210 million. Did y'all know he bought it back before he did the deal with Square Inc?

Come on. Did y'all know that Jay Z bought his third back from T-Mobile before he did the deal with Square Inc? So he sold majority ownership to Square. I'll say probably 51%. Right. So the artists still have their shares. And then Jay has whatever he has that he got back from T-Mobile and what he still had prior.

Charlemagne, nobody's talking about the company that he invested in that supposedly supposed to do some shit where you can fix your credit score instantly. That's square. All of that is square. It's just a name of another company. But that's what I'm saying. It's like that all of that, niggas looking at all of them numbers, get buried under that.

Like that's such important point. That's amazing. Don't quote me on that. It's something with a P. I can't remember the name of it. It's something with a P. But also, J's on the board of Square, Inc. now. So you're on the board.

So not only did Jack, you know, buy a portion of title, he's, put Jay Z on the board of Square Inc. So that's, Jay Z, that's Twitter. That's, that's Cash App. I don't even know what else Square Inc got. But just the fact that that black man is on that board now and can oversee so many different things. You think that this deal is just the end?

You don't think that they're not going to do so much amazing shit in the future with Square Inc. When Jay sitting on the board. I'm telling you, I remember one time when Jay, when the whole shit, the Barclays shit opened, right? This kid, we were using a barbershop, when he was having this debate. And this kid was like, man, he don't do nothing for the hood.

I said, that's because y'all niggas, look, this walk, but this was the thing. I said, that's because y'all niggas think doing something for the hood is a basketball tournament and a cookout. Yes, literally, that's it. A fish fry. That's what you think doing something for the hood is. I said, bro, that's what, niggas.

And those things is cool, but that's what niggas, like, that's the bar for doing something for the hood. I said, bro, just by that man, opening up a 40-40 in the bar of clays, opening up a merch, store in the barclay, all that, that makes it a little bit easier for you to go down there and apply for a job. You know how many people in Brooklyn got jobs in that barclays?

But this what I'm saying? Because if it ain't happened to you, all people say, that's all people. That is all of our people, bro. That nigga ain't do nothing for me. He ain't bought me nothing for Christmas. I don't care. Yeah, that's what I hear people saying. They're like, well, that deal didn't do nothing for black people as a whole.

What is the mean? Is it something for the borough of Brooklyn? Like, Brooklyn rose up. It does something for motivation. I'm talking about the title shit. Just being a black person, that does, that's just enough, like, to look and be like, oh, wow, I can do something too. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't support title because I thought Jay was going to send me a check. I support a title because common sense tells me if there's Apple and there's Spotify, right, and then there's title and this is a black person that owns it. Whether they own 100% or 30 or 40, I'm supporting title. Rihanna owns 15% of Fenty Beauty or maybe a little bit more. if me and my daughter in the store and I see Kylie and Rihanna, I'm supporting Rihanna.

Oh, dear. Because she's getting 15% She still is an owner of the company and she's a black person. I'm telling you, bro. And I'm not like, I love my people, man, but and I feel like, you know, hypocrisy is a part of being a human being. I feel that like, you know,

contradicting is being a part of a human being. But people don't, like, people have this thing where, like, they can't accept it to the point where they just make excuses for everything. My nigga, I'm talking about excuses for everything. Like, nobody's entitled to feel this way one day and then be this way the next. So everybody has to do it one way all the time. Like that, that should just, it kills me.

They're brainwash. No, it kills me. That's why they stuck in the same thing. It kills me. Because the thing is, is that nobody don't question nothing about no other brand that they invent. Like, I've never seen nobody, even when it's a controversial thing when it comes to Gucci. I've never seen niggas dive into their business the way they dive in a,

like the way we dive in each other's business. Niggins starts saying, oh, he hired his cousins. It's nepotism. It's this. It's that. It's like, yo, dog, like, you ain't doing that with none of these other, like, nobody else. What you were saying, Ivy? I think that as a people, we are brainwashed into being, like, pessimistic about everything.

Yeah. Everything. Like, we doubt it before we believe in it. And it is so crazy because, like, we tear each other down so heavy before we uplift each other, which is fucking sick to me. Like, even like the coming to America, too, people couldn't appreciate the film for what it was. Everybody, oh, this shit was trash.

That's why I ain't watched it because someone said that. But like, why can't we just be like, yo, shout out to like, even if it was trash. Shut up, Solomon. Even if it was. You just got to appreciate it. I should still go see it. I'm going to keep it 100.

There's no more shit. Like, the sequel's got to have like a window. Like, you know, they have a window. It was way too long for, for a series. Belly, too. I didn't want to see that. You should have been had that. You should have been had that.

You should have been had that. I didn't want to. I saw it a month ago. Right. And, you know, because I had to interview Arsenio. I did interview with Arsenio. And, you know, he asked me, did I see it? Yeah.

I'm glad he didn't ask me what I thought about it in that moment. I don't have to lie. I wasn't going to lie to an inspiration of mine. This is a guy that he's one of my top four inspirations. It's Hove, is Arsenio, is Pedy Green, as Clarence Avon. Wow. But I saw it.

a month ago. And here's the thing, it made me feel good. The nostalgia of it made me feel good. It was like catching up at a family reunion. But it also, when you go to the family reunion,

it's like, yeah, it's cool with their family, but I don't really fuck with them. So I don't fucking either. We don't know. You know what I'm saying? We're not grown apart, you know. And also I was a little jaded

because I saw a treatment that Aaron Magruder wrote, the great Aaron Magruder, who, you know, did the bone docs in black Gs this and Ryan Cougall was supposed to produce. Wow. And I saw the treatment and there was,

there could have been a great sequel. Yeah. And it's kind of like, they took the ideas that Aaron had and like halfed them. So they had the ingredients. But they didn't cook the mail right. They had a song. Yeah.

They didn't cook you right. Yeah. I still haven't seen it yet. Me neither. Really? I only see it because everybody keeps saying it's corny, so that's why I didn't go see it. I mean, you got to draw your own conclusions.

Yeah. But at the same time, like you, that's the type of movie that you kind of need, niggas to be like, nah, that shit, fire. That's why I needed it. I needed that. Yeah, you need to hear that. What's crazy, though, is I thought Eddie performance was great. I thought Arsenio performance was great.

Like, they showed up. Yeah. But here's the thing about Eddie Murphy movies, right? Eddie Murphy movies usually start with a great story. Yeah. And does that one Eddie movie you can watch that didn't have a great story? Like, life is, to me, is Eddie Murphy's best movie, right? But when you look at life, life is really a dark film.

It is. It is. It is. men get convicted of a murder they didn't commit and got to spend the rest of their life in jail and spend their whole time trying to get out. Right. The comedy comes from just the fact Eddie and Martin and Bernie Mac and all these other funny motherfuckers in it.

I don't know. It's a movie like that. But that's you right. Coming to America the first one, it was a great story. It's a love story. You know what I mean? It's literally just a love story. These two guys, this guy is just trying to find love.

That's it. It just so happened, you got a bunch of funny motherfuckers in it. I don't know if it was, I think it was Beverly Hills Cop. Beverly Hills Cop off 48 hours. That shit was supposed to star Sylvester Stallone. Brough? Yes, but something happened

with Sylvester Stallone where Eddie was in it. The only reason the movie even became funny because it's Eddie. So I'm saying all that to say the shit starts with a great story. Coming to America, too, to me, didn't have a great story. It had the makings of what could have been a great story,

but it wasn't a great story. It was like they went for the funny. Yeah, they went through the good story. I think of West Street Snipes is looking so bogus, man. Man, for what? Yeah. He looked like DJ for Street Fighter. Remember DJ for Street Fighter?

He looked like DJ for Street Fighter. Yeah, I don't know, bro. Now I want to see it just because you said that. That nigga looked like DJ for Street Fighter. I want to see that. They need to do a whole movie with just the barbers. The barbers? Yeah, like Eddie and Arsenio did do that.

That was the funniest shit to the movie to me. But that shit would get old fast. You think so? Yeah, I think that's why it's only a skit. Yeah, I think that's why it's only a skit. Because, like, you can't watch a whole movie. Like, barbershop, like, had its ceiling. I don't think they could make a movie funny

that barbershop They wasn't funny as them old men It wasn't I mean but that was old Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Yeah with them dealing with cancel coaching and the wokening And that was the other part too It's like

It could have been a good female Empowerment movie right Because I would have been It would have been dope To have the three daughters And just let them Take over the kingdom You know what I mean?

I mean I don't know I don't know what the fuck is going on in that movie You ain't see it? You ain't see it? You ain't see it? You ain't see it? I don't know how I didn't see it

I don't know how to talk about With these strong opinions and y'all haven't seen it. Why haven't you watched it? I haven't had the time to. Like, I haven't sat down and really, like, had the time ago. Y'all watched it a month ago and I watched it like twice since it came out on Amazon Prime because it's one of those things that was like, man, it got to be something here, man. Yeah, got to be something here, man. I'm going to check it out. I just didn't get motivated.

I was more, I was stuck on Wanda Vision. Oh, I watched all of that. I didn't know what that is. You fucking Marvel, Avi? That's why. What dude, what dude, how she was at that got you watching Wanda Vision? Why? Why? It was just like a random, let's watch. I watched this because it's new and then I tried like the first three episodes.

I was like, yeah, you gotta be into, if you're not into like Marvel shit, you're not going to be into WandaVision. It's a slow, it's a slow burn. Like, it don't get like crazy to the fall. You don't, you actually don't know what the fuck is going on until like the eighth episode, for real. Yeah, I think it's disrespectful to way. Terrible.

That's a long way. Not, not if you're a comic fan. Not if you're a comic fan, not. Like, if you're a comic fan, nah. Because there's so many things that like, as comic fans, we were waiting to see happen. And that's what kept us on our toes. But it was, it was really good. And I think it's disrespectful how y'all didn't even give some of y'all, I got a homeboy, my man Ramon, me and Ramon's Marvel heads.

Ramon's like, I ain't get past the second episode. Marvel has given us over 15 years of great content and you can't let them set you up with Wandavision? Everything with Marvel is a setup. It took 10 years to make the first Avengers. Word. It literally took 10 years to make, 2008 is when the MCU started, Avengers Infinity Award came out 2018. It took 10 years to tell that story. I thoroughly enjoyed Wandavision.

I love one. I can't wait for Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Marrivin a soldier. Falcon and a winter soldier. That's two weeks. That's two weeks from now. But yeah, just to put a button on what we would talk about when it comes to the ownership. I think the moral of the story is, you know, stop trying to tell people how to do it if you ain't never done it. Yeah.

And do your research. And do your motherfucking research. And stop listening to these stupid motherfuck. I tell people that all the time. Stop listening to the people who've never done something and actually pay attention to the people who are doing it and have done it. That's how you learn. Because all of these black businesses we're talking about, they're never going to get to scale

and become these companies we want them to be if they don't do these kind of deals. You, sit down and talk to an OG like Bob Johnson, man. Let Bob Johnson tell you how he started BET. That's what you think Bob Johnson didn't get some capital for some white folks? And that's the other thing too. We talk about, whoa, yo, they don't own 100% of it.

Yo, Rihanna owns 15% of a $3.6 billion company. She's the richest woman in music. You know what black people need a lot more of? Capital. Because you know what that capital does? That capital lets you be able to invest in a whole bunch of other things. Absolutely. That capital helps you to be able to empower your community with that bread.

Like, that's what we need. That's a fact. When you see these guys like Jay and Rihanna and they're doing these deals with 40% whatever. You need overhead. It's about that capital. Yes. And you said it when we started. And you said it in that tweet.

Why y'all so happy about owning 100% of nothing? Yo, 100% of zero is still zero. What can you do with that? But that's the, like, I deal with that with music all the time, bro, because it's like with music, like, me being an NR, like, I get artists that come in and they want the rights to everything without doing no work. Like, that's crazy, my nigga, like, like, imagine, like you telling me, like, like, let's equate it to this, right?

Like, you're buying a house, right? Like, you, getting a record deals like buying a house. So you want this house. This house costs, let's say, 900,000. And you're like, yo, I could, like, I could do that. I could do this and stand the third. And I'm like, all right, let me run your credit. And I go to run your credit.

It's say that your credit worth 50 bans, bro. So you want me to take the risk of giving you this loan. Now, when I give you this loan, I'm going to give you the loan. When I give you this loan and the shit don't come back how it's supposed to, then I'm the wrong one. I want my money back. And that's what people don't understand, right? when you go to these companies,

if you don't have a track record, if you don't have a resume, if you're just trying to get something started from scratch, they're making an investment in you. So in order to get their investment back, that's why they want the equity. That's why they want the ownership of what you're doing.

When they get said, when they get said they want to own their masses, they don't even know what they're talking about. They don't. They're like, it's also the, it's a fear because of things that they've heard and the stuff that they've seen

with, you know, bad deals. Yeah. You know, and because they are just our, They're not business savvy. They just say what sounds right. Right. You know, if they have a part of ownership, they feel better about the situation.

But you could give them that, that's what I'm saying. It's like bad, bad deal still happen. The thing that a lot of artists don't understand is that most of them don't recoup. Like, most of them don't recoup. So the thing is, it's like, okay, but look, you want me to take all these risks, like you want me to take all these risks, risk my job.

Because once I give you this money, bro, they go, everybody over me is like, all right, well, where's the records, niggie, like, where's the records? And you keep telling you, me that you're the best, you're the best, you're the best, and nothing happens from it. And then you keep, but then you want me to, you want more money. Like, nah, man, let me put out this next project.

All right, we're going to do the next project. By the time we get to the third one, if nothing happened, nigga, you got to go, bro. You got to go. Straight up. Because you're wasting money. You waste a money. The company's bleeding money at this point. But when it comes to, like, hip-hop culture, and I'll say the culture as opposed to

just like the music part of it, because the culture is many facets. Like you said before, people ain't looking at the business of it. They're thinking about how they feel about everything. Feelings don't got shit to do a business. I don't know. That shit ain't got nothing to do a business. Nothing to do. You know how many times I had a boss come to me and say, hey, Wayne, man, like, things ain't

going right and we got to cut back and you on the list. You think them niggas give a fuck about how I feel that I can't pay my bills no more? They don't go fuck. They're like, I'm good. That niggas got to go, but I still got to go. You know what I'm saying? But that's the biggest part. I feel like we don't take enough time and do diligence to learn business because I had a white

person tell me that shit, yo, you know, y'all be knowing the creative, all of that. When motherfuckers get in the meetings and we start talking about business shit, everybody be sitting there, like, not knowing what the fuck they're doing. And that's the reason why when them jobs come up, they don't consider y'all. And that's why you can't be afraid to ask questions. Right. So many people nowadays want to act like they know. Right. And instead of just admitting, like, I don't know what's going on, let me ask questions. But to Avery's point, it's fair too, right? Because if I'm in a room that I've never been in before and I'm, I feel like if I'm asking questions I might get got.

But that's why you got to have the right people around you, right? If you got to, you got to have the right people around you that actually know the language that these people are talking. Right. Because then they can protect you because if you're in these rooms and you don't know, you know, what's going on, you feel like, man, this motherfucker about to get over on me. So let me just sit here and act like I know what's going to get going on. And guess what?

You're still going to get gotten on. But the thing about it is, it's people who watch it. It's people who do it and it's people who watch it. You got to figure out what side of the street you want. You know what I mean? Like, because if you, you're going to get got, but you're going to learn, like, it's like learning how to duck a punch. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not going to learn how to duck a punch until you get punched in your face a few times.

And I use that metaphor in business because, yeah, like, shit goes bad a few times, but then you learn how to. And it shouldn't, it really shouldn't have to. But you got to, sometimes you got to go through the wrong thing and learn how to do the right thing. Oh, I'm sure. Who doing your business, Ivy? Because you got out of getting a lot of money. You got ball main on and shit. I do my own business.

Ooh. I learn from you. No, no. We got to talk then. I got lawyers. I got agents. I got managers. Don't ever think I'm doing this shit on my own, ever.

That's a lie. I've never, I've bumped my head enough times to know that you've got to have people in your corner. So even when you see certain things happening, was it's a podcast network that I'm 51% majority on of. Fuck what the internet is saying. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Or it's my book and print. All the, you know, company that me and Kevin Hart got at Audible, like all of that stuff happens. because you got the right people around you. I'm very hands-on as well. So, like, even when it comes to, like, contracts and stuff, even though I have, you know, entertainment lawyers and managers that I can lean on, I'm also reading through this so I can learn the language.

That's right. And I'm, like, redlining stuff. Like, what does this mean? That's right. You know, and I'm catching things that, you know, lawyers will overlook. Like, what the hell are you about to have me in this shit for three years? That's right. You know, so it's important to not only, like, lean, but learn.

That's right. You know? And you learn, for me, I learned. so I can make sure Ivy don't get fucked though. Make sure Wax don't get fucked. Make sure Wayne don't get fucked over. You know what? Guess what?

Shit, I don't know. Talk to the people who do. Like, let me tell you who can help you with that right now. Because nobody gets any benefit out of fucking you except for the company. And by the way, the company's not even fucking you. The company's just doing business. Yeah, they're doing business. They want to pay you the least amount possible.

The least amount is selling for the highest amount and you get the lowest amount back. That's it. There's a thing called P&L. And it's profit and lost margin. Yeah. I always tell people, right, when a company comes to you with a contract, I don't take it personal. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's what they think of you. Like that's, yo, my man told me that shit. He's like, yo, you'll know what a company think of you when you see something in black and white. That's right. Now I mean, when you see that shit on paper, you're like, but then see the thing is. Even them, but it might not because they might just try you. You got to try you. They got to try you.

The first time they try you at. Absolutely. They try to see if you're going to go for the big. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, because the thing is, it's like people look at the numbers. Mm-hmm. The most important part of a contract is the terms.

It is not the numbers. Yeah, I'm fucked. I ain't gonna lie to you. This business I'm doing that, like, yo, bro, you fuck me, we're gonna fight. That's how my business is. Well, you gotta stop that. I'm keeping the real of them.

But thank God I'm in the business that I'm in, you know what I'm saying? So I can, like, kind of get away with that type of shit. No. Yeah, but people call the police life. Yeah, I get what you're saying, but the business that I'm in, I am, it's like,

I kind of could get away with that I hear you I hear you that who's wax I'm gonna give you see you you're coming to see you nigga you kind of do me dirty

now I hear what you saying I did sign some things but I ain't gonna lie I didn't read it over but like what you're saying I had somebody else do it for me but I'd say if it was up to me

and reading those types of things over if it was up to me to have to do this shit I'm fucked I'm gonna have to just literally be like well I kind of read a major read it yeah

you have a lawyer no I had somebody to end up doing It got done, but I'm saying, like you said, I say it was up to me. This shit would be fucked. I'd be like, yo, you fuck me up and beat the shit out of you. Let's put that on paper.

I get to beat the shit out of you if you fuck me up in this deal. Do you think the people that you're doing business with and that way can't get them up crazy. No, but I'm just saying that in my game, what I'm doing, I can be able to say that. Just don't get beat up by wax. Because his hands is fucking bees. It's as big as my head.

Yeah. He's not. These are motherfuckers just to beat the shit out of people. I'm not going to go to jail. I write this on the paper and you sign it? If you sign that's on you. If you fuck, put that in the contract. If you fuck me, I'm going to beat you up.

Listen, if you know, but you know if somebody's not going to be like, I'm not trying to do that though. I'm going to say you. A person would sign that. You want to know why? I sign it. I'm going to tell you why. There's no definition in the fucking you. If I'm going to do it and you ask you to put that in the contract, when we go to court and say, I never have sex.

I'm just saying, you know what I mean. If you do something bad on this contract or do what you say you're not going to do on this contract and then I get to beat the shit out of you. No. You know what I'm saying? Listen, I sign that shit.

If somebody comes to me with that shit, I do it. Wax, you're really crazy. I know you for some years, bro, but you really bug the fuck out. You know, every time I'm around wax, I'd be like, this my man, but this niggas really burnt out,

bro. He's keeping the 1,000. You got your way of doing shit. Yeah, I got your back. I'm like, listen, even though people do sign those papers, like you say, there'll be a lot of deals that do go bad. Yeah.

You still going to need somebody to look at that nigger and be like, all right. All right. Them paper gangsters don't give a fuck. Yeah, they don't get it. Them paper gangsters don't get. I get, I get what you saying. Think about it. Think about all the tough niggas and rap.

They all got fucking. You know what the people are. You see how niggas always be talking about how rap is W. Rap is not WW. You want to know why WWE is more real than rap? Because at least in WWE, everybody knows that they're playing a role. Yeah. Nogas don't know that they're playing roles.

That's the problem. It's like you're actually playing a role that is not really meant for you. That's why when it goes bad, it goes all the way bad. Yeah, but they start becoming that fake person. That's the fucking problem. Yo, did you see, um, did Joe Rogan shit with Undertaker? No. Bro, this shit is amazing, bro.

Because just knowing that Undertaker, like, this nigga was like, you, I was staying character when I would go out to eat with my family because how disappointing it would it be for a kid to see me and I'm like nice and laughing and this shit? I mean, you couldn't tell me this. This was a nigga wasn't possessed by a demon when I was a kid. Yeah, me too. But I'm just saying it's like he knows that he's playing a role. Rappers don't be knowing that they actually-

I thought his house was a coffin, bro. I thought he'd go in the coffin and he'd go to sleep at night. I thought Paul Barron really was like making a shit and this nigga comes out this shit like every time. They go to sleep and they put him in a piece when I was a kid. Yeah, when I found out that shit was fake, I was pissed. I never watched it again. Really?

But I'll tell you one thing. I cried. When you find out. It's fake, but it's not fake. Undertaker were fucking fighting. I don't remember what fucking match it was. It was a long-ass time ago, and Hulk Hogan was bleeding, and I was like, oh, my God. Yes, I really thought it was real.

Then somebody burst my bubble and I never watched this. But it's still kind of real. These niggas big as hell hitting each other, regardless. Now, they get hurt. But, yo, a wrestling match is the most entertaining event I've ever been to in my life. Most entertaining event I've ever been to. Monday, I've ever been. Most entertaining event.

Because, like, they bring, like, just like a concert brings it down and brings it up, they bring it down. But when they bring that shit up, the energy in the building is crazy. It's crazy. But it's role playing. That's why I don't understand why people get upset that Soldier Boy and Bow Wow for saying they want to be in wrestling. It's not real.

They're going to go rehearse. They're going to practice and they're going to do what they're going. It's funny. Soja Boy is hilarious, bro. He said, I can't wrestle a nigga who wear a leather thong. He's a guy who is thong. I like Soldier Boy, man. He's cool.

How can you not like Soldier Boy? No, Solja Boy is hilarious. He's hilarious. He's hilarious. Yeah, but that tough guy shit, that shit ain't, no. That shit don't work in business. Because don't nobody give a flying. It don't.

Thank God I'm doing what I'm done. Fuck. I get it. I don't think Wax cares. He will? I get it. I mean, just anybody play the game easy. Everybody put them bracelets.

They put them goddamn bracelet. Yeah. Like I said, if it was up to me, I, I do business that way, but I did have people look over the paperwork. Everything looked good. All the business that I'm doing. Yeah, who's the people? Was it a lawyer? It was a lawyer?

Yeah. It was a lawyer. Was he a family? A contract. Listen, one of my people looked at it and. and put a lawyer on and got it done. I've sent artist contracts and they've had like a family, what's the family court attorney?

Look at the fucking. No, no, no, no. Listen, it's all good. Everything is actually doing very well in 36 stores right now. And everything is doing really good, I'm saying? So, you know, everybody is one hand watch the other anyway. So that's a good business. That's why I said, I'm happy I'm doing what I'm doing right here.

Other things right now and I had to be the person to read the contract. Oh, we fucked in this shit. We kept in the real. Just like I said, y'all, y'all, I'm looking for a lawyer to do it. Y'all not going to have somebody else. I'm a regular person in this game. So I can't do that shit.

I go very good. You gotta get a lawyer to do. That's what I'm saying. Would you read over your own shit? I mean, so we're on the same boat when it comes down to that. I mean, I read, like, it's certain things.

Let me tell you something, man. I did a deal one time. I did a deal one time and we, we was negotiating this deal from 9 p.m. at night to, and this is literally me, my lawyer, and the label's lawyers, 9 p.m. at night till 3 o'clock in the morning. By the time we finished,

I was like, it's impossible for y'all to read books. They was like, no, we don't rebook. Like, bro, their language is, it's a coded language. Like, that's right. That shit is like Sanskritism. I can't do that. A capital D and a lowercase D pause in a sentence mean two totally different things.

You know when Kanye was saying he wants contracts to be more scaled down so the artists can understand them? Yeah, man. That's not for us. That's not yet. That's why you hire lawyers. If you fuck up, I get to beat the shit out of you. To do that language.

Only place you get jammed up is when you're hiring a lawyer that's already in business with the fucking company. So it's a conflict of interest. Like if somebody recommends you a lawyer from a company, don't find. I mean, it depends, though. It also depends. Because the thing is, it's like all these lawyers are friends, bro.

Like all the lawyers is friends. All the people that work at the labels is friends. All the people who, like, bro, that's your six degrees of separation with all of it. Like, all of them went to law school together or they've been doing business together. You can't find, like, a lawyer that's been in entertainment for 20 years that don't know every entertainment lawyer. You know what I mean? Or every executive.

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Alexander and Whitney Dow. Very informative if you want to know why black people should get reparations and how reparations should be distributed. Ivy, Wayno. Wax? Y'all got any church announcements? Anything you want to promote real quick? Nah, I ain't got nothing I'm promoting right now. I'm just saying, you know, everybody knows since every day struggle I've been broke. I can't pay my bills and shit.

You're a liar. I saw you doing your little podcast. I saw you doing your podcast run. Do y'all black people do you? Do you doing some shit? I see you in there doing your little podcast. Right. No, I just was like, I was like, damn, you know.

I was texting like, I didn't text you. I was just texting people like, yo, did we figure that out with Wayno? You know what I mean? Hey man, I'm working on a few things. I'm still, I'm a free agent, but I'm still running with the whole I'm broke thing. Wayno is broke.

Please go fund me. Cash at me. Whatever you can do. I got 127,000 followers. If all y'all send $1,000, I'd be up. So look out for me. You feel me? My cash app is Wayno 119.

You know what I mean? Like everything else. Don't look out for me. You know what I mean? It's hard out here. I got kids and shit. I don't know how I'm going to make it. So, I mean, help me out.

Me too. I mean, Ivy, you're a liar. No, Charlemagne is always texting me, like literally, he just goes, podcast, and I will reply, let me know what you need for me, let me know how I can move things forward, and then he neglects me. No, that's not true. Avi just, I don't know what the hell you're talking about because we have passed so many ideas by each other. I don't know which one you're talking about. Ivy, and.

Ivy looked like she gets much money. I would love to see an Ivy podcast. Ivy is really good. Me and Ivy made some money during the pandemic. 100%. Right, Ivy? Yes. Made a couple dollars together.

I be getting money. No, what I want to do, and at Waino notice, I have you noticed too. I don't have time to keep up with all the new music. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. So my eyes and ears are Ivy, all Nile, all Waino and just, you know, other folks like that. And it's just like, I want to do something where we just. Don't say too much.

All right. But, yes, you want to do it. And I'm like, okay, what do you need for me? And you don't tell me what you need for me. He's too busy. Listen, you got his selling. But that's why I asked him to tell me, so I could do some heavy lifting. But I don't know what lifting you need me to do if you don't tell me.

All of us B2Buy, I'd be like, yo, Wino, you in town? I'm in Detroit with Sider Baby. No, Ivy, you in town? I'm in L.A. with Puff. Yo, we just want to go, too. Really? But don't baby? That's not Sada baby.

That's B.R.S. Kat. Yeah. Whole lot of choppers. My bad. They want to see me do that dance. In these towns, Nalap. Don't disrespect me at my man. Bam.

Whole lot of choppers on your hat. Sada Baby did There's too much booty in the pants He remade them That's too much booty in the pants No, we remade I think that you did it Yeah

I'm not so I heard that before No, it's not that one It's not that one That's not that one That's not That's not We just we paid We paid the things

We did what they did Really? Yeah But we just went gold So shout out to Sada baby On that record Man, got a gold record So you mean to tell me

He did a wreck I haven't heard that he did You ain't hit a whole lot Chappas? You had to You had to you on social You're on social media Charlott's man

He did of a 90s Miami bass record over and went up and Nicky Minaj remixed him being a Detroit Nick bro he's the most Oh no I didn't hear that

That is um That's what it is That's what I'm trying to say Yeah we did the remix Shout to Nikki too You know Remix all that I was there

I dropped the load of that on fucking on Instagram I hate when you I don't know nothing Oh yeah I did I don't need that image In my mind

Like I did I dropped the low Instagram You begin his eagle on He's out That's when we first came back from the pandemic last year, like around October, November. Yeah, yeah, we dropped the remix in, I think. It was in October.

Because Nicky killed that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We dropped in October. By the way, that's the genre of music I would love to see come back. Yeah, that Miami bass shit? Oh, my God. Absolutely. I've got a lot of sounds, man.

That's great. I've got a lot of sounds. But even with tag team and the Wump, there it is. commercial? Like, that, that shit had such an impact on people that young motherfuckers will fuck with it now. But if you're from a certain era, you automatically going to give that side of baby to listen.

Absolutely. That sound like, you know what I mean? Wump there it is. You know? Well, you see, like, my man Beak King, like, what he does with his shit, you know what I mean? Like, he has like somewhere, I think like remnants of that sound, like that kind of like a three-six sound, but more Houston. You know, you know B. King, right?

No. Club Godzilla? No. Y'all don't know this. I got you for, Wayne. You don't know the song, um, um, um, then leave. Get the bread. Yeah, yeah.

Then leave, yeah. I listen to gospel, bro. You don't listen to the gospel. That's a great song. That's what I'm going to lie. You know, it's crazy. If all you listen to the gospel, you're a dangerous person. Because all the niggas that I know.

No, listen, all the nigs that I know that listen to only gospel, bro, is dangerous niggas, for real. What do I listen to? Right now, if you look at my shit, it was the only gospel music. I'm trying to figure out why you get the bread. head and leave. So she paying you and giving you head? No. She's receiving, like, the gifts.

Get that bread. She gets it. Oh, so it's a girl? It's a woman. Yes. Oh. But that's the hook. That's the hook. Okay. All right. So it's a woman song. She's getting that bread and she's out of here. See you later. That's a good. That's an even exchange. I'm not mad at that. You know what I'm saying? Women like that, women like that. You get wet a little bit? What do you get wet a little bit? Like, something.

People still use that shit? Use what? Let me just put the tip in? You better try everything if you're just going to eat it in. You're going to get paid. Fuck that. You better try everything. Nothing about none of that.

Yeah, me neither. I'm married. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm done, of course. You done, Fiancé right now, I'm done. I ain't been doing nothing at all. I'm surprised at myself. Last time I cheated was when I jerked off and I was. What about you?

What about you doing? Another woman? Almost two years. You're a liar. I just want to say, I am so proud of wax. Thank you. Because I'm really doing this. Last week it was a year, though.

Come on stop, man. Back week you told me a year. Right. He is grown. I'm going to tell you this right now. That's kind of crazy. She knows. She knows Zach where I'm at.

She's know everything that's going on. She's all my texts and all my fucking DMs. All this shit. She got everything. She got my location. She knows where I'm at right now. So it's nothing to do. When they first started dating, I went to like beauty con or son.

No, shut up. I didn't. I never like. But she's great. What you said about what's going on in these streets, y'all crazy. Yep. New season. Well, I got who's waxing stores.

And I'm also with this can of gifts. I'm not trusting that. That should look funny. No, listen, there's a company. It's a bottle. It's the bottle. It's the whole. It is.

It is. But I just bought this just so people could take some understand where's that, but this guy right here is really, no, yeah, I got shots right now, but it's really, really dope and people got anxiety and stuff like you want to go to sleep. This right here put me to sleep the other night, and I didn't sleep like this in a long ass time, just had a baby and stuff, so I don't even, I don't even fuck with the edibles or anything, but I actually took this and it's really good, so I got this candy gifts, let's go who's wax, lemonade, I got the who's wax in 36 stores in L.A., you know what I'm saying?

That lemonade going pop off in the summer. It's about to go crazy. I got the slush cheese, and I actually got the tea. I got the wax lemonade tea You know what I'm saying So it's coming You need a lemonade tin Like a lemonade pow-up

Watch out It's going to be a whole lemonade It's going to be like a lemon You know what I'm saying It's going to be inside of a lemon I'm going to have a whole outside It's going to be yellow Watch how much of shit

You're going to build You're going to build some shit That you can't fit in balls Like you were I ain't going to be the one selling this shit I got people that hold it down Everybody, listen Everybody like girls

You know what I said Because when we young Everybody suck titty So everybody like girls Oh, yeah. All right, babe. When you were young, everyone sucked titty,

and men suck tities. Yo, look, we try to give them the benefit of that. That's why you put women in front. We opened the door. We opened you from a lemonade stand and sucking titty. No, because I'm just saying, I'll put a woman there,

so I said I'll put a woman there because everybody like girls. Everybody likes women. Yeah, women like women and men like women. We all sucked tities before. That's why they let women in free at parties. You know what I'm saying? Like, back the day you want to be with all the women at.

Absolutely. Women want to be with all the women at. Period. They don't want to be all these guys. I don't know my whole life. I don't roll with no bunch of dudes. Nah, for what? Man.

Let's get you in trouble, man. I want to, um, I want to talk about, uh, we had Big U on this week, right? Um, and, uh, we was talking, you know, because, you know, the whole, I don't know if y'all if y'all seen hip hop undercover on Hulu. Yeah, well, I've seen, I've seen a little bit of it. And it's got all the OGs from the streets, all of the people who have been behind the scenes of the music industry for so long who keep people off these artists and stuff like that. And, um,

You know, Big U was talking about people checking in, whatever, whatever, and he talked about, you know, how Cuando Rondo reached out to him a few days prior, but he was just basically like, man, you know, don't reach out now, you know, don't reach out when there's a fire. Yeah. Reach out before there's a fire to, you know, prevent the fire's fire. But you smokey to bed. Only you can prevent far as fire.

And so, you know, Kondo Rondo responded to that yesterday and said he wasn't, you know, hitting Big U up for that. He was just wanting to get involved with some charity stuff, whatever, whatever. I just wonder how do y'all, how do y'all feel about that? How do y'all feel about checking in? Yeah, young boys checking in with the OGs. Sure. I mean, it's necessary.

It's not something we should do monthly only when it applies. You know what I'm saying? I don't talk to you all the time, but like as long as we're active and watching and we're not forgetful, you know, it's just a boundary of respect. Oh, wait. That's all it is. Well, I get what you saying, I mean, but this is a whole different dynamic only because like when he's talking, he's talking about Cuando Rondo

represent 60. I'm saying? And everybody know big you was the big homie of 60. So when you start talking about the streets, that's a whole different thing. So for myself, like, I ain't in the streets. You know what I'm saying?

Me neither. I'm not in the streets at all. But I have been in the streets. And I understand that like when you are affiliated with certain people and you want to be in certain spaces, you definitely need to be checking in. Now, checking in,

I feel like the whole term check in is like the message gets blurred because there's one part of checking in with yeah when y'niggas get over here y'all better make sure I know where y'all at and do whatever that I because I'm protecting y'all. That's one form of checking. But that's one form of checking it. Checking in, I feel like that's just having a relationship. You know what I'm saying? It's like from time to time like I might just text Charlemagne's just what's up. Just check in. That's what I say. Check in. But when we talk about the streets element of it, right? Yeah, if you're going to be moving and shaking

and the thing about it is, it's like, LA shit is totally different than the us in the world. I've never seen a few politics like that in my life. The thing about it is, is this. It's like, when, if something happens to Cuando Rondo, then it happens to all of the 60. It don't just happen to Cuando Rondo. Because you're going out and you're saying

that you represent this neighborhood that these niggas is doing triple and quadruple life behind. So the thing about it is, it's like, yeah, like I do get what big you is saying. Quando was trying to frame it up in a different way. And I don't think that with anything he was saying, was wrong. I felt like him saying certain words, kind of make it sound crazy. But like, it is, it's just a matter of respect. You know what I mean? It's just, it's just a matter of

respect. If I go to LA, like when I used to go to L.A., I'm cool with some of Nipsey's people. I let them know I'm out there. Not that I don't need them to go to fucking Shoe Palace with me. You know what I'm saying? But like, I let them know that I'm out there because Nipsey would be like, yo, come past the store, nigga. If you want anything, you got it. You want, let's go something to eat. Or I got other homies in L.A. I do that way. What are interviewing Nip? You was with him. I wasn't with him. I was, I was, I was, I was there because Cameron to come to the Breakfast Club to eat breakfast. I never came to breakfast a day in my life.

Yes, you do. Yo, so do you call what I do, I'm still in the streets? Huh? You call what I do? I'm still doing what I'm still doing. I'm just saying. I'm in 36 stores out there in L.A. And I still have to.

No, no, no, no. So that's what I'm saying, but I still have to check in. There's people that I still, when I go to L.A., I still let a couple of people know, yo, I'm in your town. And they make sure everything good. So it's more of safety and respect at the end of the day. Well, it's respect just out of, I mean, for the most people, It's no different than with those kids.

If you go, like, if you, if you, if you, uh, go to your grandmoms house and you got to, because all of us have sets of friends in different places. And you go to your cousin's house and you got friends that play ball over there. You're going to hit your friends up and let them know that you over there so that y'all can chill. Same shit when you go to L.A. Like, every time I go to L.A. I hit certain niggas like, yo, I'm out here. Like, I just hit, I, uh, mixed by Ali.

My man Ali that does, you know. Yeah, T.D.E. I hit him up when I'm in L.A. Like, yo, what you're doing? Come to the studio. Come to the studio. That's vibe. Like, it ain't, but when you're in the streets,

it's a different conversation. I have to just let you know I'm in town. Yo, you need anything. Because I know what I'm getting out of there. I know how much money I'm getting out there. So it's certain people that I make sure, I don't care if I'm going out to eat. What y'all are doing tonight?

Come out to eat or, you know what I'm saying? I meet up just to show face and make sure like I'm good out there because they can do something like this and have me to stop making money out there. If you want some street shit, you need to have people everywhere. But I ain't in the streets still. That's what I'm saying. You need to have people everywhere with for real.

I'd be doing that because I'd be all out Mix the ass You'd be outside I know when you talk Luffy Fiasco I'll be outside And I do check in with everybody in every city that I'm in

I just think that is Just so it's like When you see me in the city You're not offended Like damn why you ain't hitting you Yeah that's true And it's like I'm not hitting you up to see you

I'm just hitting you up to just be like Yo I'm in your town Just like if my friends come to New York They at least have to let me Yeah come on man You bugging out I tried to check in with Ivy one time I was like, yo, I said, I want to float around the city.

I'm going to hit the clubs with you. She was like, p, put a bunch of quentin like, nigga, you're right. Like, I was like, wrong text. That's the fact. Like, when people cut, when people hit me, like, niggas hit me on a Friday, like, yo, I'm in the city. I'd be like, I'm in the bed watching the double head on the scene. I'm already in the house.

I don't be moving around, but I do get it. I try to stay out the way. Salamay be on at 10 key end. His respect. He can't, he can't make it in the club. No, listen, I haven't been out in a while, but I'm not going to lie. sometimes that should be looking fun. I'm like, maybe I should flow through the club

all the time. Well, if you do, please call me because I would love to be there. Yeah, I'd be lying. I'm cool, man. I ain't gonna lie. It's good for two seconds. Two seconds.

Like by chance now. Like, I don't like, yeah, I don't. Literally two seconds. I will say, though, I felt bad for Cuando Rondo. And the reason I felt bad for Cuando Rondo, man, is because, like, I watched the videos he did. I watched, you know, I see academics paid. I'm watching the videos he posted.

And, you know, one of them, he was like, I don't care. I'll die. Before I let my daughter see that I'm a bitch, I'll die. And I'm like, so you would rather not be here for your daughter, right? And it seems like to me, I don't know the brother. They watch WWE. No, I don't think it's that.

I think he's crying out for help. I think that if you are an OG, you should figure out how you can put those fires out. Well, he's in a very, very, very tough position. But beyond that, I feel like the street's got a mental illness, bro. Oof. The street's got a mental illness, my nigga. Like, like, for years, bro, and this is just like maybe up until recently. I didn't feel comfortable being in certain places unless it was a weapon around.

Whether that be like somebody with me got something. And this is when I was younger. Now I'm at the point where I don't want to be anywhere where niggas got to have weapons at. You know what I want to get out this studio. I haven't gotten to that place in my life. No, what I mean by that? Nah, what I mean by that, though, what I mean by that, though, is this is like, I'm talking about, like, to just enjoy a regular day.

I'm talking about that. Now, I'm heavy Second Amendment. You know what I mean? Like, super Second Amendment. I'm talking about, like, where niggas can't go to the store type of life. When you can't go to walk to the store without having a hammer on you. I used to think that all of these things was regular. And they're not.

In a lot of ways that I grew up, no, bro. My daddy scarred me a little bit. My daddy always, I'm different. My daddy was like, don't leave a house without something, like, yeah, but you're from the south. So, you got to remember, bro, I'm born and raised in New York. Like, it's not. I'm from Jersey. Our culture not like that.

Always have some. Yeah, but we're talking about in the streets. But why is that? We have that for protection of a person that look exactly like you. Well, now I'll be on the lookout for that, the white supremacy. No, I'd be looking out for a lot of people. I'd be looking out for a lot of people, but I'm just saying it's like we don't know how it's coming. Like to hear Cuando or Rondo say that shit.

I didn't think it was funny, cool. I thought it was sad, though. I thought that shit was sad. I should have sad. Like, I die before my daughter say I'm a bitch. God damn. Come on, bro. I'm easy.

That's what I'm saying. That's wild. To watch my daughter get older. That's the thing about it is that what it's like the definition. What do you define as a bitch? Because a lot of people define that word bitch in a lot of different ways. So it's like a lot of people think that being a bitch is just living a regular life as a civilian. You know what I'm saying?

It's people that really believe that. And that's what I'm saying. Well, I don't care. I want to. The hug got a mental illness, bro. Like, for real. I felt bad, too, because I saw Cuando. He was like, yo, he reached out.

He said, he was like, I want to get into more community service. I want to get my face clean, this and that. When I'm hearing that, I'm like, man, somebody put their arm around that boy. I don't know how deep the water is all he in. I don't know. Bro, you're seeing what, come on, you know what's going. Yeah, I know, but I don't know. I can stand that, like, niggas ain't trying to stand next to that right now.

And I'm not, like, the thing about it is, is just that, like, I think I met I met Cuando, because he signed to Atlantic. I met him at the Warner Holiday Party. No, the Warner Grammy Party last year. He's actually a cool kid, but, like, man, he's in a tough predicament. That don't make y'all sad to see brothers in that position, man? Where they feel like it's just, fuck it. If I die, I die, if I get killed, I get killed.

That ain't beyond artists, bro, that's my block. My block like that. For real, like, I'm talking people off the ledge all the time. I've seen, you know, I've seen every, I've seen, like, my generation go to prison. Like, it's niggas that's coming home that I grew up with that went to, Jill when we was 18 coming home now. Yeah, 20 years later. All day long.

But to your point, to you, and Wax's point, that's what makes it so sad because Quando is a brother who's getting a chance to live a dream that so many people want. Like, he's an actual rapper that gets paid to do what it is. He does. Like, he's got an opportunity to really make something of his life. All right. So look, that was a guy. Aside from that situation, bro, it's about what niggas is putting out in this universe,

bro. These niggas be putting out a lot of negative. The hip hop, yo, hip hop as a culture, that shit is detrimental to every way of life that we say we want to have. Like, for real, it's detrimental to health. Is that, is detrimental to family? That's why I listen to gospel, bro. It's detrimental on a lot of different.

Because guess what, bro? If the artist that everybody fucks with, kills somebody and goes to trial and gets away with it, everybody's happy about it. Everybody's like, oh, shit, he's a real nigger. But you're calling that family so much trauma. But nobody's thinking about that when it's the nigger they like. Yeah.

When it's somebody else, oh, that's, fucked up is this is that it's the third it's fucked up all the way around the boy i always say bro that line from five yo foreign send me to addie i'm hunting them down that's the biggest line of big drip that's the moment in the club right when that happened to pop smoke that happened to pop smoke that's why you you get them you you you feel me so but but at the same time niggis is not stopping nothing it's only making them go harder and harder down the whole of um destruction they don't know how to separate being who they want to be with who they are if that makes sense.

They don't know that they play in a role. They don't know that they play in a role because they stay mixing like that street mentality with music business and that's just, is you're going to hit a wild feeling. Our generation fucked it up. And I tell you, our generation fucked it up because we, and I'm guilty of it too, but there was a time where I used to like to see my gangster rappers doing gangster shit. I'm like, I don't want to hear that gangster shit if y'all ain't really out here, busts. Oh, no, bro.

I was like, I'm not. I'm an honorary member of state property. I was around a whole lot of gangs and shit. We didn't do, we didn't do no shows without guns. We beat niggas up, radio niggas, all types of people. And, yeah, it's a way detrimental to your life because you see, like, down the line that it doesn't pay for nothing. Like, it's like, bro, it's like now we see all of these artists

because everybody gang, that's what I'm saying, even with the gang shit, everybody gang, gang, gang, gang. Then these feds is like, oh, y'all y'nigas is gang. We bring in a diet. Everybody got a job now. Everybody got a job, bro. Oh, y'all niggas getting money. And y'all on gang shit, all right, put one plus two that equal Rico.

Like, you know what I'm doing this shit. And I'm not, I can't tell nobody what they should claim or how they should feel because I've been a part of a lot of bullshit that I didn't want to. But it comes to a point where it's what's worth it? Like, what is it worth? Grow up, nigga. Bro, is it. And even if you want to, like, you know, stay in that gang in that circle,

don't let that be your selling point. You don't see what this kid CJ going to do right now? Yeah. With that Whoopty record? Bro, the dude La Brim sent the whole, he's the person who coined that term. And he's like, yo, I'm not saying nothing should happen to the kid, but he made a song that is perpetuating a lifestyle. I got me 30 years in prison.

So at the day, like, everybody in the club, Whoopty? That's the shit that they was yelling when they was doing whatever they was doing. And the feds came down on them niggas. And he, this young black man got 30 years of his life taken away from. Okay, explain to your old Uncle Shala. Yeah, I'm lost. Whoopty is a term of the hounds, Brim's, a blood gang in New York, and La Brim, who is like one of the big homies of that shit.

That was, when they was in the- What you know what up shit for, Ivy? In his indictment, they used that term. Whoopty, the prosecutor, well, what does whoop-de mean? Whoop-de, the person that's telling us, whoop-de-mean this. Only people that's allowed to say it is that we came up with that term. That's our thing that-a-da.

Now, the CJ kid, I don't know him, never met him a day in my life. But he puts out a video, poor Whoopty, everybody got red flags on. They throwing up all types of shit. They're throwing up them nigger signs. And it's niggas in jail sitting behind the wall for the next forever. Yeah, so you're celebrating the lifestyle that got people fucked up. So I can totally understand why if I was in jail, I'd be mad as hell, especially if you had some time to sit down.

Because it ain't about getting a check or not. Yeah. It's just about like, bro, this is what you're doing. You're saying motherfuckering. But arguably, a lot of these artists who make these songs they don't even know that it's on the brink of being one of the biggest sensations. They don't, but the only thing that it is is that if you are rapist unsuccessful, you can do whatever you want. Exactly.

Like when you have success. I mean, yeah, but it's like once you, because that's the thing, it's like because streets and streets and the office is not one of the same. Like, like, like wax. All that. Like, I mean, it sounds cool, but you can't be, even with the buzz shit, bro, you can't be beating niggas up in that. I get it, but yes, I'm in the field. You feel? You feel?

I get it, but I definitely, you fuck me. He still will. Right. I mean, life is life. I wonder, um, I wonder, like, how much, how much, you know, do we, we point the finger at a guy like CJ, though, because he's coming from an environment where he's just talking about what's happening in his life, right? Same thing with Bobby Smirdered him, like, when Bobby Smurter put out hot nigger, like, that was

his life. Like, we tell artists to be real and we tell him to, right about what's going on. I'm not for what was being, I'm not for that real shit no more. I'm for what's entertaining, bro. Because I'm gonna tell you why. That is entertainment. Yeah, but the thing about it is, it's like, yeah, but should be happening. Like, this is what I'm saying, bro, like, I don't know.

Like, I take kid niggas that's in prison right now. So it's like, and they be trying to live life based on entertainment. Not like I said about the wrestling shit. It's a difference. It's like, bro, we know that wrestling is. That's why they put disclaimers. Don't try this shit at home because one of your little kids might kill each other doing this shit. Right?

we don't put no we don't put nutrition facts on music right we don't put nutrition facts on that shit I mean nothing I'm talking about that means watch it we don't get we don't get I love I would love for like

alright little Tucker had a big hair record and of course we knew he didn't have a nine and none of that he turned niggas in the dancers I would love for a nigga that looked apart to be like I'm not no street nigga I'm no different than Robert De Niro

well I think you need it I think you need I think you need it the other way right You need a guy like a mano or a guy like, there's somebody you know was really out there to tell you that shit ain't it no more. 21 Savage does it? 21 Savage. He's great examples.

He's great at, he knows how to speak, though. I love 20s. A lot of niggas don't know how to, like, convey a message. Like, 21 Savage knows how to speak. And I feel like, but if you look at his sheet, it's like, yeah, he's been through everything. But we need more transparency with the hood because these kids is growing up idolizing all that.

Like, bro, New York is like Chicago right now. how Chicago was 10 years ago. Really? New York, bro, absolutely. I ain't coming to the club with you no time. That Brooklyn shit, bro? No, no, no, it's ugly right now. I'm telling you, that Brooklyn shit.

You see the shit, I hate the fact that you could go on Instagram and see people die, bro, but like the shit that these kids out here doing is crazy. And I come from, I grew up in the 90s. I was born in the 80s, grew up in the 90s, and that shit was crazy. These little niggas, they're not even beefing over bread, selling drugs. They're leaving over nothing. These niggas is literally beefing over. Instagram comments.

Brooklyn is I knew Brooklyn was crazy last summer But Brooklyn is gentrified as hell now Yeah, I'm a nigga Then at the project That's not Come on now Yeah, that shit

That's because it's a mentality Bro, like you could put a hundred Starbucks That ain't gonna change y' knick's thing You know what I mean? Like that ain't changed how niggas is thing Because a lot of these kids In the way of the bullets

A lot of these kids Bro, they ain't got the parents Bro like their parents ain't there It's young men And women that's leaving these kids Out here to raise their cells But it's also like a trail of lineage of neglect and also being naive.

You know what I'm saying? Like their parents probably didn't have the best examples as well. So it's accountability like throughout the whole like bloodline. But they got to come to a point where niggies is stepping in and just like for me, I ain't going to lie, bro. The only thing I really want to do is like I'm not no example for men. Like I don't feel like I'm the shining example for men. I'm not the fucking CEO or the president of men.

But I feel like for the stuff that I've been through, I do want to like talk the younger brothers and sisters about like all the time not just like not because I did a lot of the wrong shit to learn how to do the right shit I did mad wrong shit you know what I'm saying

I did a lot of wrong shit but it's like I want to be able to sit and talk with them about like like being able to see bro if I couldn't see something for my social man I'd be dead bro my mom I told you

my family my mom was going to send me to South Carolina because my aunt living in South Carolina she was going to send me down there when I was 14 because I was wilding it but I wouldn't have been the person I was but at that point If I didn't have no foresight, bro, I would not be in the seat.

And I'd be feeling like all these kids got something special with them. They just don't have people that's unlocking it. They're around in his world. They don't have hope. It's about knowing better and doing better and having an example. And a lot of these kids, they don't have that. A lot of the examples that they have, they've never shaken their hand. You know, like it's different when you have a real life person.

Like, yo, don't do that. And the women, too. because, like, yo, these young, I'll be seeing kids, bro, like, you know it's the craziest shit I see a 16-year-old kid having a baby shower. Like, you know how crazy that is to me? Bad enough that 16-year-old kid got pregnant. Celebrating it.

Celebrating it? Everybody's going to shower? Like, what are you going to say? I'm on the same page. I don't like none of that wild shit. Where the burberry? No, but we're going. If you get pregnant at 16, she's a little baby fat jacket

with the first snorkew. That's the only thing you should get. This is a tragedy. It is. It's a tragedy because it's like, I just look at the timeline, bro. Six years ago, you was fucking 10. You about to bring another, you about to bring more poverty into this world. You married?

And the thing is, it's not enough. Like, because you know what everybody feels like? Well, it ain't my cousin. Ain't my daughter. Ain't my cousin. Yeah, yeah. Who was the person for y'all? Who was the person that made y'all see the world in a bigger way?

Br, I had mad examples on my block. Because that's what I said. Like, I had, like, on my block, I had niggas. I was looking up the niggas that was hustling, but then I had, like, my man, my man, Jamie, his uncle, he's a CEO on Rikers. And he used to, when he found out was gangbanging, that nigger pulled me to the side. He said, you, listen, I know what you out here doing. I'm just telling you stop right now because when you get on the island, there's nothing I can do for you.

Wow. He's like, when you get to the island, you, all that shit that I be catching you doing, you're going to have to live after that when you get to the island. He's like, I know that you better than that. So, for me, I was looking for acceptance from it. I didn't grow up with a man in my house nor an older brother, so I was looking for acceptance from any man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I was looking for any nigga to just be little bro me and some shit. You'd have found that in Rikers. Absolutely, but I'd have found it in the wrong ways. And the thing, because, you know, y'all, y'all niggas. Yeah, really shit. But now, bro, I had, like, you know how did that term and take a village to raise the shit? Like, my bill doesn't raise me, bro. Like, not only just my mom, but like, my man, my man, his mom, she was a CO2.

my other man, his grandmoms, like, we was a group of kids. Me and my friends, we was a group of kids that, like, people cared about us. When they seen us going on the wrong path, they say something. And then what was the biggest eye open up for me, Charlotte, man? I never was being myself. When I lived on the east side, when I go to the west side, I'd be a different nigga. I'd be doing all types of shit. I don't do on my block.

I get to my block. I try to front like I'm a good kid. But on the west side, I'm gang banging, jumping niggas, acting all crazy. And I just... What do you call that? What do you call that? Because I'll do it to just come to, like, I rise to the occasion.

Like, I can go to the church. I bring the church ladies to the Bible study on Wednesdays. But when I'm in the street, I'm still wax. Like, I really beat people up and I, like, I'm saying, I play the church music. Balance. You know what I'm saying? As a balance, I think you have had. But for me, that's not, as a teenager, that's not balanced.

That you not knowing who you are. I should have just been the kid that I knew I was, that love Star Wars. At young, you know yourself? No, I didn't know myself. Yeah, yeah. So you're trying to find it. I give you the same. You're trying to find yourself.

But, bro, along that path, bro. Like I said, bro, like I got my first friend I ever had in my life is tattooed on my arm. He got murdered. Like, I got friends, like, I got friends 15 years, 17 years. Niggas who, one of my little men's, I know this niggins since he was 12. He just took a five-year plea. So it's like I just, I've seen so many generations of like the same bad cycle, same bad cycle. You know what it is, bro, to be, all right, 15.

niggas that I'm going that I'm growing up with they're going to jail for crazy bids and the niggas that's older than us they're going to bid then the niggas that's under me that's 10 years younger to me they become men from little kids, 8 year olds and they're catching indictments and then the niggas that's under them now

that shit is unsettling on so many levels so for me like the turning point for me was I just didn't I didn't want my mom like I didn't want my mom my mom said the craziest feeling she ever had was coming home from work and every time they got everybody laid down on the floor her having to look to see if I'm on the floor.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, bro, I just, I just saw something for myself. It wasn't a specific person because I could, a lot of niggas. Even you. You know what I mean? Who was it for you, Ivy? I mean, I definitely had a tribe too. I was blessed enough to like be raised where my parents were hella protective of me.

Like, growing up in like a risky neighborhood, they were like, hell no. And just how you said, like, when kids grow up, they don't know who they are or what they want to be. And I think that my frame of thought growing up was, I don't know what I want to be, but I do know what I don't want to be. And I applied those things to my life. And I just, I don't know, people saw things in me

that I didn't see yet and they were like, yo, like, don't be what you think is right. Because what I think is right is, you know, in my teenage years is being that girl with the fat as getting the boys and living that fast life. And it's like, no, bitch, like you got substance. That's right. That's right.

You got smarts. You beautiful. Like, don't fucking compare yourself. Like, just stay in your lane, mind your business and work. Apply yourself. I feel like a lot of people don't apply themselves. People will say, I wish I could live this. I wish.

Oh, I wish I had that. I wish. We wish, but what do you do? That's right. You know? So it's... That's why we got to give people something to do. You know what I'm saying?

Because when we talk about, even when we were talking about earlier with the business and there was only one way to do thing. Like, now, a lot of these kids feel like they don't have no way. You know what I mean? Like, if I didn't read books when I was younger, if I didn't listen to music, if I didn't meet people like Avi said

that saw something to me that I didn't see him myself and telling me like, no, motherfucker, go do this. Like, my dad, my dad was on my ass. Like, yo, if you don't change your life, you're going to end up in jail a day. Then I, you know, meet mentors like my man, Dr. Robert Evans, who was like, man, fuck that rap shit.

You suck. Go keep on you stick to this radio thing. Like, just little things like that. that along the way, but you gotta be willing to listen. That's the problem. These motherfuckers ain't listening, and if they are listening, they're listening to the wrong people. Yeah, that's tough, man.

My pops, my pops, he was a street nigga. I mean, my father, he died a street nigga, but, like, my pops, the only problem I had when my dad was, like, he told me, don't do all of this stuff, but he never, like, I wish he would have, when I was younger, he would have, showed you what to do. Yeah, like, yeah, it's like, it just was like a dictation,

like, like. Don't do what I do, do as I say. Yeah, like, like, like, That was the grown-ups. That was the grown-ups. My father was a number runner, and he was like a dope nigga and all that. So it's like by the time I got old enough, I just had a rebellion. Like, you can't tell me what to do.

Like, you do wrong, but you tell, like, you tell. But I should have looked at it. Yeah, but I didn't find the wisdom. I found the wisdom in it later on. Like, when I got older and, like, when I got older, I started to understand him as a man. But, like, I didn't, it's hard to understand it to a kid, especially when you don't live in my house.

You don't live in my house. You can't tell me. That's why I'm trying to grab mine. as much as possible right now, but in my situation, I had the mother and father growing up in the church and stuff. Great examples for me. It's just that we was poor. You know what I'm saying?

So it was like I was going out there looking at all these drug dealers and stuff like that. I was doing it. But I actually listened to them because it was like a fiend, the one that got me to go to college. I had all these people that had great. My brother, a sergeant for years, my father had passed and my mom, a great woman.

You know what I'm saying? It was like, I was like, I do not want to be like this, nigga. I don't want to be like this nigga. that's why I start going good. You know what I'm saying? Do you have one thing Afin, you know, I got to think

Afin said the realest shit to be ever. And I feel like everybody who's ever been outside Afin has said some real shit to you at least once. Of course.

This being in the constant. His name was Chip, right? I was standing in front of my building. He came outside. He's like, you got the heart. I was like, no. He's like, you got soft.

I was like, no. He said, you got weed or anything? I was like, no. He's like, what the fuck is you standing out here for? You know what's right? He's like, what's you're standing out here for? I was like, yeah, I shouldn't be standing out. And my thing, I had everything.

And the fiend would not buy the shit from me. He was like, yo, wax, you play ball better than either. You big and and he's stronger than anybody. What the fuck? You don't have to do this with all these rest of these nix zah doing. He would not, he would not buy that shit from me. He ended up, I end up chilling with him all day and to buy him food. And he ended up getting a crack for free.

But still, be able to crack head that long, he's going, be going to get the shit out of you. Yeah. People being able to see what you, seeing you, seeing you, what you don't see in yourself is such an important thing. Oh, bless me. Especially when you do. talking about people like the fiends because they're looking at you and it's like I had that type of ambition

once. You know what I mean? I had the opportunity to be something great once. It's like, bro, you want to end up like me? If you want to end up like me, keep doing what the fuck you're doing? Right. That's how always... So do we keep the kids away from the fiends then? Because if somebody had kept me away from crack kids and fiends, I wouldn't have been

right. I mean, but by the way, it's just an environment. Certain shit, we keep acting like we can avoid certain shit. You just can't. Certain people grow up in a certain environment. They're going to be around certain things. If you grow up in the jungle, you're going to run into a line. You know what I mean?

So if you grow up into a certain environment, you're going to know the crackhead. It's like the neighborhood. Crackhead is like the neighborhood freaking ice cream, man. Masked. Yeah, yeah, he cool. You just don't know him.

Everybody know Auntie. My dad was pointing to me. My dad used to be pointing at fiends saying to me that motherfucker used to be the best athlete in high school. She used to be the first person in the world. I go home right now. They're still alive. He's alive.

He's alive. 60, 70 years old. I could drive through Harlem right. I could drive through Harlem right now. It's going to be a nice day to day. And everybody, certain people that I grew up with is on the same block they was. I seen Dick yesterday, bro.

Deke blind right now, everything. Deke's the one who got me to go through. And he literally, I seen him yesterday at the park. Still alive. Still alive. And bypass everybody. I don't know if he's still smoking. I ain't been out there in a while.

And I damn sure he didn't give him nothing. But it's like, I don't have no idea. Listen, it didn't mean to turn this into an after-school special. We hope that you learned something. All right. Anything else? Y'all want to plug before we get up out of here? Bullying the Beast, man.

Yeah, I would do Bullying the Beast. Y'all make sure y'all go watch that every Monday is coming out. And I think I got some other stuff. Whatever she says, I'm on that podcast. You know, go to the L.A. stores and go ask for the Who's Wax. If they ain't in there, beast them and blackie, why the Who's Wax not in here? You know what I'm saying? But it's in 36 stores right now.

Y'all go get that. And I had to lemonade for y'all for this summer. Coming soon. Ivy. Anything? I mean, I'm just living my best life podcast. with Sharla coming soon when he answers my text.

Stop. Stop. You stop. Wait on anything. Yeah, right now, super tapped back in on the music side. You know, I've been doing a lot of stuff

with Asylum, working on the side of baby's album. When I was driving? I don't want to lie. You know, we're trying to get it together. But, you know, I want to shout to my man, Dallas Martin.

He came in as president of asylum, my vice president. So we're making a lot of stuff happen. Also, I did a series during Black History Month called Making with Amazon where I interviewed Swately, Gunnestall,

Big Sean and hit boy, Earth Gang, and also Masego and his manager, Henny. You can check that out, but you can find me everywhere, Wayno 119, even on PlayStation 5, if you play 2K and you want some smoke, Wayno 119. Like I said,

Waino's out here broke. Cache apps, send him cash apps in. Wino 119. That's not what your watch says, but I feel you, Wino. Yeah, that watch is speaking for you. you right now. Let my watch talk from May.

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