The Brilliant Idiots - No Shoes McGee (Ft. N.O.R.E.)

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

On this week’s episode of The Brilliant Idiots, Charlamagne tha God and Andrew Schulz chop it up with hip-hop legend N.O.R.E. From his big health transformation to balancing family life, N.O.R.E. keeps it real about his journey both inside and outside the music game. He talks about his love for running, giving back to the community, and opens up on his relationships with other artists—plus, he doesn’t shy away from the recent Pusha T and Pharrell drama. The crew also dives into the rise of reggaeton, cultural identity, and the behind-the-scenes politics of the industry. It’s not just about music, though. They touch on comedy, awards, the art of negotiation, and how personal connections can make or break careers. N.O.R.E. drops gems on kindness, growth, and the power of storytelling through platforms like podcasts. If you’re into hip-hop, culture, and raw unfiltered convos, this episode is packed with laughs, real talk, and major insight into the evolution of one of rap’s most respected voices. Download Cash App Today: [https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/zt3hy9x9] #CashAppPod. As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. ************************************ Sponsor Brilliant Idiots: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/brilliant-idiots The Black Family Who Built America - Cheryl McKissack Daniel https://www.simonandschuster.biz/books/The-Black-Family-Who-Built-America/Cheryl-McKissack-Daniel/9781668033999 Uncommon Favor - Dawn Staley Order - https://a.co/d/4pLD1C3 No Holes Barred -Mandi B & Weezy WTF https://a.co/d/cGFDUoB Get Honest or Die Lying Why Small Talk Sucks By Charlamagne Tha God https://a.co/d/gpFlOol Check out Andrew Schulz www.theandrewschulz.com Check out all the podcast on Charlamagne's "Black Effect Network" https://blackeffect.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yep, Charlamagne the God. We are a brilliant idiotic podcast. Has a Kyle Walker. Andrew Schoetz is still in Australia filming Street Fighter, even though every time I see him on his Instagram, it don't look like they're filming shit. I saw him in 50 Cid walking around

a goddamn amusement park and Andrew had his whole family out there. Like, I don't... When do they film it? It's Australia. What do they have to do out there, really? But when do they film? I mean, during the day,

but then after you shoot, then what? Well, clearly none of them are getting stuck in character. Clearly, the road... Clearly, none of them are getting stuck in character where they can just go to the amusement park at night after filming. But thank you for joining us. Now, this is a week where we did have something in the can for you.

A couple of weeks ago, before Andrew left for Australia, we had a visitor. My guy, N-O-R-E, the host of the Drink Chams podcast with DJ EFN that is partnered with the Black Effect Podcast Network. That's actually, you know, one of our first partners. When we launched the Black Effect Podcast Network, we launched with Drink Champs. And now, Norrie has his own network, the Drink Champs Network, in conjunction with Black Effect and IHeart. The first show is the Memphis Bleak Rock Solid podcast with other shows to come.

And so Nori was up here to talk about that and plus tell stories as only Nori can do. So I'm going to get out the way and then we're going to throw to that episode. That works, right? I think that's a fair compromise. You know, for those of y'all who've been missing, Hesi, he's on this episode, Nori for all the Drink Champs fans. A very introspective, Noree, I would say, too.

I think so. Yeah. He actually told some stories I've never heard before. Yeah. So let's get into it. Brilliant Idiots, Drink Champs, N-O-I-E. Yep, Charlemagne, the guy. Andrew Shogh.

We are the Brilliant Idiot's podcast, back for another week of Brilliant Idiotness, and today's guest is a hip-hop legend, a media mogul, and one of the most entertaining voices in hip-hop culture, from Queens to Dream, to drink champs.

He's giving us classic records and classic interviews make some noise for NORI. Orange. How are you, my brother? I'm hanging in there, man.

I'm having a second part of my life. Well, maybe the third part. And I just, you know, came here to do the New York Road Runners Park show.

And if people don't know what the New York Roadrunners is, that's the people who control. the marathon. And I, for years, been jogging, but a lot of people didn't know that. And I was hiding it. And now I realized that there's a whole society of maniac people that's like me. And I have to hang with them now. Why are you hiding the jogging, Nord? I don't want to say I was

hiding it. It's just, I wasn't putting it to the forefront. And then I remember, you know, Schaefer from Rock Nation and Schaefer from... He's a ginger. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They just said Ginger's a black, by the way. I heard, yeah, I heard that. I heard that. Flew the Jeep. And it was a black woman who made that up, too, right? Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So let's salute her. But he told me, he warned me. He said, once you start interim races, it's going to change for you. So I went to Maui. We went to Puerto Rico. We went to Naples. We went to Tampa with Brett Chrysner and Tom Sarah Wry. You know, I don't know how to pronounce nobody's word.

And Jelly Row. And you know I fucked up to his name. My bad. My bad. Jelly Row. We ran with his race. What about Brett Chrys? The comedian?

Yes. Burke Chrysler. Okay, got you. Christher. Christher. I was like, Chrysher. Chrysher.

Christor. Y'all make it me. What is? No, they do a two bears, uh, 5K. Yeah. Got you. So it's a run. And I did it twice.

I came early. I ran it as like, I don't want to say as a regular person, but I ran it as like, I wanted to see all his vendors. I wanted to know the promoters. I wanted to, for lack of a better term, take this in what is considered like a white world, right? And how do I bring this into my world? How do I take this and promote health and wellness to my people, right?

I'm one of the coolest people on the planet, right? Facts, right? So how do I do that? How do I do that without losing my cool, right? How do I still? And so I figured it out. Idea, idea. You do like a 5K run.

I did one. Go ahead. No, no, I'm saying for like the black community. but we'll have police running behind you. Oh, no, no, we did that already. We did that already. He can't open. Yeah, yeah.

Andrew shows can't. We almost got them. They're fast. They're back. Keep going. You can't help us. You know what's the funny part is, um, um, um, um, Bert, when I went to, um, um,

Bert's race, uh, we were the only black people. In the whole race? He was there? No, and the birth's race. Oh. When I say in race, I mean race, not race. Yes, yes, yes. So when I get there, he, he, he, he,

He gets on the mic and he goes, Nauri, thank you, man. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, thank you for bringing all the black people. No, it was 18 of us. You know, I travel deep. Yeah, so he said that. And then I believe him and Tom ran with us because I told you I did it twice. The second time I did it, Tom, and him and Tom was like, man, this feels like the million-man march.

The most interesting thing, though, you're actually losing weight. Like when you walked into that, I just saw you a couple weeks ago. I'm like, God damn, Nord. Like, what are you down? How much weight? I think of 45 pounds. Wow. You know, I kind of did that in front of people's faces and people who paid attention to my hair.

I kind of did that on purpose. But people think that my hair is fake. But you got a hair. I'm a Puerto Rican, man. And I got good hair, too. You know what I mean? So. Jelly roll lost a lot of weight, too.

Deli roll lost a lot of weight. Is it because of running? It's amazing. Yes, yes. Running is addictive once you see the results. Yeah. Like, so I understand if a person started running and then stopped. Yeah.

Because it's like, you know, you could get a weight and then within a week, you'll see a muscle. You'd be like, oh, okay, you know, you ain't going to do that with running. Running is going to take some time. It takes dedication. I see you had the recovery shoes. Oh, yeah, you've seen those. How do you get those? We have some connections.

Okay, all right. What are the recovery shoes? I'll get them in here. Yeah. Yo, so I. Ask him to bring up. Are you running? Are you running?

I used to run. I used to run. I used to run. My dad used to run Marikons, too. Oh, really? Okay. I used to do running when I was boxing. It was like the only form of cardio. That's what I do.

I do running in that boxing. Yeah. But what I'm trying to tell you is you have to be some type of running geek to even know that. Yeah. Yeah. So you're in, you're, you're fooling me, buddy. You know what's so funny about Enos? Like, you know, people watch drink champs and you'll hear people's like, oh, man, that's

such an unhealthy lifestyle. But I'm like, every since I've known, Enno, he'll be hitting me in the morning. Like, I'm working out, jogging. Like, every morning, like clockwork, listening to the breakfast club, jogging in the morning for years. Listen, I had to stop because I've realized I might be stalking them. Because, you know, this is my friend,

and they're sitting there talking, let's say they're talking to anybody. And I'll comment on it. I'd be like, as if I was there. Like, I'll be like, because that's how much it is. That's how good the show is. I'm saying that behind your back and in front of your face.

Is I literally watch it. Yo, those are this so dope, bro. So these is a recovery shoes. Why are they recovery shoes? This is crazy. Go, go, go, go. Yeah, go. Yeah, so this.

These are supposed to be like, you're supposed to run these strenuous miles and come in here. And I believe they do something. And it's-hyperized technology. So I think they just cool it. Right. Oh, wow. I've never used this. It's like wrapping your whole feet in ice.

And it's compression. And compression. Oh, so you don't wear them. You just put them on after you run. It stops inflammation after you do a huge workout. Right. But you can still walk around them like if you needed to do work if you needed to. Really?

Oh, you can walk with these? Put them on. What's on? No, no, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

I can put them on. Nobody wore them yet. Okay, all right, cool. Shit, I'm going to put them on in the email. No, that's okay. But, yeah, those are dope. But what I'm trying to tell you is, if you're on that level, you're doing 10 more miles.

Because those are like $900, right? Sure. Yeah, they're like, not. They're like a band, yeah. So you're not buying this being a fake runner. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, you know, the other interesting thing I saw today, man,

I see the baby carriage in here. I don't know whose baby is. No worries like, yo, you want to meet my grandson? Right. Wow. So dope, man. Such a dope. From pushing dope in the streets of New York to pushing the baby character with your grandson at all.

Yes. How does that feel to be a grandfather? One of the best feelings in the world. You know, I kind of wanted a new baby. My wife is like, nope. Oh, you wanted another kid? I did. And my wife was like, no.

And I think she's coming around now, but then I got my grandson. And I'm like, this is even better. Yeah. No responsibility. Is it really? All the love. I mean, kind of because, you see, like, you know. Your grandson looks like you.

He does, and he makes my faces to me. Like, there's no way I'm going to tell that man, no. To anything. Like, to any. Like, I know already, like, he's going to have a Rolex at fucking three years old. Like, I already know, like, he's like, because it's like, it's like, it's like, Like, that's dope. Like, you know what I mean?

And, you know, my son is, that's his first son. So I feel like I got more experience than him, so I'm still teaching him how to parent. But I'm also saying, damn, you know, I'm learning to be a papa. Like, how cool is that? And you're young, you're not even 50. I'm 47, that's right.

I'll be 48 this year. Makes you wonder how old our grandparents were. Were. You know what I'm saying? I was 20 math in my head this time. I'm like, yo, my grandmother died at 81. I was like 29. Wow.

So she was like 50 when I came into the world, maybe? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. I'm definitely enjoying it. He got to spend a night with me. I'm going to give him a break and I want him to come chill with me for like a week in Miami. And he's a flirt though.

But you can get away with it. You know, I'm telling him about. Anybody going to meet him a baby? I'm in front of the. I'm in front of the juice bar. That's Justin Bieber. I'm in front of the juice bar, and guys is coming up to him, he's like, but then the girls come up to him?

He's like, eh. How do you know it? How do you know it? His name is Nazeia. Just in case. Nazaire? Liza. That sounds like somebody mixed Nas and A-Z together.

No. Damn, that's ill. I didn't know that. Well, my son's name is Isaiah, and all of my other kids. His name start with an end. So, you know, Nakai, Nassim, Noah. So we figure we keep the tradition and name him after his own father, which is Isaiah, but Naseer, because he's part of the clan. Yeah.

Dope. Yeah. Dope. What an amazing life, man. I want to talk about Norrie on Puscher getting mad at Farrell for Drake Commons on Drink Chats. I didn't ask you this when you was on breakfast, but. No. We didn't talk about this.

from bootleg cab, sloid guy. Shout out bluelegs. This is the headline on X. Push your tea checked Nory after Farrell showed loved it, Drake. When we had Farrell on the show, it's the first time I ever heard Pusher T raise his voice. Hmm. And I said to Farrell, Pusherty or Drake?

And he said both. Man, push your T. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this, Pusher. I'm sorry, man. I knew I wasn't. I'm in the zone right now. But Puscher called me like, Thank you for playing.

How the fuck is our boy doing this? How does he doing that? How does he fucking pick? He says both of us. Drake wouldn't have picked both of us? Drake would have picked him. And I'm like, push,

you, this is the one time I'm chatting the fuck up. I'm gonna let you vent. Because I have no, you know, but it's real. I say that to say, that's how much of a human,

Farrell is. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a human guy. Like, he told me for years. He was like, Norrie, don't do no crime in front of me. I was like,

who the fuck thinks like that? I'm not doing no crime before me. He said, because I'm going to tell. I think that's my favorite interview you guys ever did. You don't even want to take a now later from him after that. Like, wait a minute. Like, he literally told me that from the beginning. A very first time I ever encountered with Farrell,

he sung me the whole bloody money. True. Really? New York getting the blood money. He knew it word for word. And then soon as he finished, he said, but I don't have a thug bone in my body. And I gave him a whole.

hug and I respected that and I never expected any thug shit to come from him. Ever. Why did he call you yelling at you? Why wouldn't he call it Pharrell? Because it happened on my show. Yeah, but I hate when people do that.

You're not responsible for that? Well, Puscher did address this. He did address this on Complex and he said, why would I reveal this conversation? So the truth be told is again, me revealing this conversation, I'm thinking I'm big in Pusher.

up. Like, I'm thinking like, because, you know, for years, you know, you work with people and you don't see too much emotions, right? And like, like to flip the question around, had Farrell been asked the same thing and said, yo, Norrie or prodigy? I wouldn't accord push him. But like, yo, why would Farrell just throw away all the other? They would say Norrie or mystical? Because, you know, those was like two people that he worked with early. And he picked mystical or he said, both, I wouldn't accord push him. And he said, both, I wouldn't accord push him. And he said, you know, they would have been. And he said, because I feel like Farrell is just, he's that safe environment. Yeah, yeah, he's not picking the side. He's not picking, he's that safe environment. Now, when Purscher called me and said that, I thought it was honorable. Like, I didn't think that there was nothing wrong with that.

I thought it was like, he was like, yo, man, like, and I said Drake. I said, on that interview, I just said, Farrell couldn't pick between Drake or Pusha T, but Farrell, Drake would have said that. I said, that's what I said. Drake would have picked, what you call it. But what was said was 40 would have picked Drake.

Like, you know what I'm saying? This same interview was, like 40 would have picked great. What you were trying to say is that the producer should always pick the artists that they produce. No, your camp. You should always pick your camp. It's Charlemagne before everybody. You know what I mean? Your partner is in a great way.

You know what I'm saying? So Farrell didn't do that. And by the way, to me, I think puts you a lot of it. It was like, yo, why did Norway say that conversation? First off, I did not think that was off the record because there's a famous person called another famous person about another famous person that argue about the most famous person on the planet. It's not like you and Drake had a private fight.

Y'all was in the school yard. Yeah, that's true. Y'all came out to school yard. You invited everybody after three. Come downstairs. So this is not a private. But as a man, as a man.

If, because I know in that conversation, like from the era, I say this a lot, but I'm saying this now. From 4 a.m. to 2 p.m., there is nobody on earth sharper than me. 4 a.m. I don't know what happens at the 2 p.m. I don't know.

I don't know. I was it just stupid thing. That's what Democrats used to say about President Biden. 4 a.m., the 2 p.m. he's sharp. The sharp is sharp in my book then. You back in my good brick. I hated you, Biden. I'm sorry. Joe Biden?

Yeah, I hated it. But so I remember everything like, like, I remember this, this conversation almost word for word. And I remember at one time in the conversation with him, I said, yo, this is off the record. I said, yo, by the way, it's between me and you. And I feel like that's a universal man language. Like when you're saying something, like if I say, yo, Andrew don't call me back, you're supposed to be like, Andrew, why don't call me or you back? But if I say, yo, between me and you, Andrew don't call me back.

You're not supposed to say nothing to Andrew. I'd be like it. I'll be like, I'm going to say, I'm a holl at him for you. And one million percent, I respect Pusherty, I respect Malice, I respect Chad, I respect Rob Walker. I respect Farrell. I respect all of them. I respect them way too much to ever reveal anything. So I didn't think that was me blowing it up.

Now, the other things that we spoke about in that conversation, had I said something like that, I would have been in violation. But, you know, as a man, I didn't think I violated. I still feel like he should have called Feraldo. No, he said he did. Yeah, don't call you. So he said, he said that I made it seem like it was just me. And that's not how I made it seem.

I, it was, you just, you did just call me. You didn't say, yo, I'm calling Ferell or whatever. So I'm just taking my part of the conversation. But he said that he went, he went to Farrell and he did it. And by the way, like, I'm not into that violate. You know how many conversations we had and it's been off the record. And these conversations will never come out. I'm not press for press.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm doing a press run because I want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm out here because, you know, we got Memphis Bleak out here doing phenomenal. Rock solid podcast. Rock solid podcast. We got drink champs coming out every week, still doing what we're doing. We got, we got the running thing that I'm doing.

We got the healthy high. We got the watch stalkers, you know, that I'm throwing out on the Drink Chats Network. So I have so much things to talk about other than anybody else. I just find it interesting, and this is a pet peeve of mine, you know, being a media personality all these years. Don't blame me for what somebody else says on my show. I don't like that. I don't like that.

I don't have nothing. If I ask a question and they give an answer about you, make it to them. Don't come to me and say, why did you ask that question? Because that's my job. And I'm going to tell you something. It's like I learned that if I have somebody diss, like if I have somebody diss, like if If I have you this Andrew on my record, you know why that's cosigning? I'm going to tell you why that's cosigning.

Oh, bring that. Because I have to push you about that the other day. I'm going to tell you why that's cosigning. Because on an interview, you do the interview, you pretty much can erase it or you can pretty much just leave it in there. When you do a record, you got to lay that verse 10 times. Yeah, you knew you wanted to do it. You knew, you know, you got to lay that verse 10 times.

It wasn't a freestyle. You got to mix it. You got to master it. So you knew that this words are. horrible towards your friend or whoever it is. So that's different. That's cosigning. That actually is cosigning.

You know, it's funny. So what's the proper etiquette? It's like when Foxy dissed little Kim on bang bang. I wish, don't get it twisted. I wish I still worked with Foxy. I wish I still had that relationship with Foxy. But if I had a chance to do it all over, I would not have used that verse. Really?

I would. And I felt like, again, this was a learning process. I felt like at the time she was asking us. And now, I could be wrong. I said, I felt like this is that she was like, you know, little Kim just dissed me on Mar-Diep. Why wouldn't I come back? On, you know, you know, because we were known

to have like little problems with Marb Deep at that time and I guess she put her ear to the street. But, um. Well, Little Kim record did she just... Quiet song. Oh, shit, that wasn't around the same time. Yeah, that should feel like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was right after it. Damn. So, and I remember seeing Puff, because he, Oh, that's why Foxy go a hot damn hole, here we go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, no, no, the hot damn hole, here we go, was Kim, and then Foxy did it on BangBank. Yeah, yeah, Foxy did it, it says, something like that.

But I remember Pups seeing me and he's going, Hey man, why did you let that bitch test me on your record? And I'm like, because this is the first time I was like, realized that other people get mad at you for what other people said about them. Yeah. And I was like, shocked. And he just like, fuck that shit, man.

Just go get money. I was like, all right, cool. I was like, hi, cool. So, yeah, but definitely, when it comes to that, I didn't, I didn't think. Any other puppy stories? I got a lot. What we could say? Would you have let Fox, would you have regretted it if y'all,

because you know, I don't know if this generation knows, there was a whole shootout behind. Yeah, I regret it. Allegedly. No, that's not legit. I mean, yeah, you weren't there. I wasn't there. But this was at Hot 97.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you weren't there. I was not there. But there were people there. I heard. Not you. I heard. Definitely not.

That was that, that was. Was that junior mafia versus murder unit? Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, for those. And you know we're all cool now. So we're all cool now. Yeah.

Did anybody get hit? Uh, yeah. But I don't know, I didn't know the guy. Yeah, so. Did he live? Yeah, he got, it was a... Oh, that's somebody on their side? I don't even know.

We're here on positive energy right now. We've all grown and learned and stuff like that. I just find it interesting. If only he was in a running club. Yeah. He should have zigzag. But I just find it interesting when people try to put the blame on the interviewer or even the person on the record.

To me, if somebody, this is somebody on somebody on. somebody's record, that shouldn't even hold you accountable. But you know what? I get that logic, though. It does, though. It does. I wouldn't let somebody talk crazy about you on my pod. And if they did, I would check them. Right.

Or you got to understand, maybe if you call this person to say, yo, this guy won't change this verse. It depends on your relationship. Like, when Little Kim, I didn't know Little Kim, I met her, but I didn't know her. But I knew C's. And, you know, I don't know a lot of people don't know this. But Biggie wanted to sign Capone.

What? Biggie wanted to sign Capone. Let me just say you something. If Biggie would have signed Capone, me and you probably didn't have never met. Wow. Because I couldn't have stood in front of that. I couldn't have been like, yo, beside me too. Like, I couldn't have did that.

But before CNN? No, we are CNN. We go into the radio station. Biggie got the Cherry Red land land, what is it? The Land Cruiser? Mm-hmm. Oh, I forget. And he goes, he acts like, y'all.

something and I think I asked him you know the juicy is my favorite record man like such such and I think I actually

had big rhyme juicy I'm not don't hold me to this to this I have to ask Capone this but then he was like yo y'all rhyme and Capone was like

yeah and I was so nervous that I don't even think I said yeah I'm thinking I was just like fuck I'm speaking and Capone killed this verse

whatever verse Capone said he grabbed Capone he gave him his number he brought him in the car I was still off the way of two I was like there with the push face you know the sour face

you know I took a sour patch I'm like oh god man it's about to blow up but all I did was be supportive I was just like yo you know what if big this is arguably the biggest person on a planet if big wants to break up seeing this

and take a poem I can't stay Was the war report out? War report was not out Oh so y'all wasn't even Was your signs? Nah, it was not signed That's why it was possible

And I remember Why was you at the radio station Because we were just freestyling For like stretch Armstrong Or something like that We were underground And pick up the stretch Armstrong and Barbito by the way

So yeah So it had big sign Because Cohn would have left me I'm just letting you know He was not coming back Excuse me I'm just being honest Why didn't it happen?

Um, I forget, I forget, I believe, I don't want to blame Trage on this, but, um, there was something to do with that. And, and then, you know what wound up happening? Biggie put a Capone in junior mafia. A Capone. You don't remember that? You don't remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember. That was then. That was there. There was another. It was another, yep. Yep. And, boy. Oh, it was close. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I would have, I would have been bowed out. It was nothing I could have did. That's crazy. What's that right there? I asked one question from that era that I've always wanted to ask you. Let's go.

This was probably 20-something years ago. I was up at Violator. Okay. And you were up there. And you played, I believe you called it What What the Movie. Oh, yeah. It was like a documentary. It was one of the best things I'd ever seen.

It was incredible. Yes. Did you ever do anything with that? You know, that's a great question, by the way. and what what the documentary i mean this is how i recall it yes you was just i think you said you did it with ted demi damn your memory is fucking no really that's my that's my story yeah it really stuck with me and you just had all this incredible like backstage yeah i still got it i still got i still got it so um i don't know it was crazy it was like a reality show

just clip after clip you were to look at it up up online it's called what what the trailer okay uh so back then i don't know i kind of I don't want to say ahead of my time like I'm on myself, but I am, right? So I'm filming when no one is filming. Like, I'm filming and I'm filming Chris Laity. Like I have when Jewel Santana,

when Cam got Jewel Santana and he brought him to Dev Jam or he brought him to Rocket Brother, that footage, I have that. Or him walking in, Buster Rhimes, talking, and, U.L. Santana just rhymed, and you know of top Jules is the illest dude.

Like, you're like, whoa, Cam is ill, Jim is ill. But then when Jewels came and he just walks in the office and he just starts going crazy in front of Chris Lighty. We had... Had someone smoking a blunt. Uh-huh. I remember somebody, you had some... Oh, all of us were smoking.

I had... Let me tell you how unexperienced I was. so I had to call people who I had a relationship with, right? I called 50 Cent, Vadjo, Meph Bleak, and Cam Ran. All at the same time. The fact that they were all being rappers, they missed each other. But I had them all... What you mean?

Because I invited them all at the same time, like the idiot that I am. Like, brilliant idiot. Right? I was a brilliant idiot. Yeah. But they were rappers. So Joe came and then 50 came. But had they seen each other at that time,

it would have been like, I put them in that position and I wasn't even thinking like that. This when they was beefing. This was when everybody was beefing. Remember, 50 had just did how to rob. And then I forget what the Rockefeller and Dipset thing was,

but then Joe with 50 and all this. So I had them all And I actually filmed them all the same thing Oh, because 50 I said that shit about a pun on how to rob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that. And let me get to the point of that.

Ted Demi was my man. You know, he used to do Y'all on TV racks. Chris Lighty says to me, listen. He looks at the footage, he says, stop film. And I go, what the hell? He's like, you're doing great, but I can tell this youth film it.

Let's go hire a real production crew. So he flies me out. We go to, this is a great story. He go to Ted Demi Studio. Ted Demi has me waiting for like 10 minutes. Then he comes out, he comes out. And he has this guy with him. And they go on a ping pong table.

And he throws down some coke. I'm like, this Hollywood shit is too fast for me. Like, hold on, hold on. You don't want to ask me, do I do that shit? Like, he comes down, he sniffs a line. There's other guy sniffs a line, but they have a mirror. And, you know, we black people, we don't like to make our contact with people who are doing that shit, right? We like act like we don't know.

Like, we're on it. It makes you an accomplice. So I look closer and it's my man. played in Blow. Oh, Johnny Depp. It's fucking Johnny Depp. So they're sitting there acting.

I had no idea they're promoting Blow to me. Yeah. So they're like this. They're like, do we get you? I'm like, what do you mean? And they're like, you know,

did you think he was really stiff and Coke? I was like, yeah, man. I was already texting that shit. Whatever Twitter was back there. MySpace. I went on. I went on a lot. And he's like, yo, no, this is our new movie.

This is our new movie, bro. And, you know, because he had, like, a little bit of makeup one. So you couldn't really tell him it was Johnny Zab. But I was just like, holy shit. But I was a dead serious. We were all, all my boys was in the same thing. We were texting. Like, whatever text was back to me, like, yo, what the fuck?

Yeah. Like, yo, then one of us was like, is that Johnny Depp? Like, one of us was like, one guy was like, hey, man, I, listen, don't judge me, man. But I'm going to get in on this. Like, holy shit. He was trying to find out if it's fake code, he was trying to ask me, like, because that was their promotional items was a mirror.

And he was like, yo, does this read? Like, what, what, what, would the hood read this? I was like, I don't know, man. I'm just not, I'm not the guy to ask that. Well, I didn't care about the hood. Yes, you're worried about Wall Street. Yeah. Hey, he didn't ask me about Wall Street.

I would have gladly answered for Wall Street. I'd have been like, yes. But, no, that still don't tell us what happened with the documentary. So, so Ted, Then he died. So, yeah. That's the way you said. Oh, my bad.

My bad. No. Rest and peace at this. I promise I wasn't laughing at himself. It's the way North said it. He just forgot about what he was talking about. What happened to time? He got out.

Like, I didn't know how to pursue that. Actually, they say that. They say that because he was in a basketball game and he had a heart attack. Damn. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, me and him was so, yeah, my bad.

Me and him was so attached. And, like, we grew real close in those couple of months. And then Ted Demi passed away. And then Chris Lighty passed away. And it was just like, damn, like, this project had, like, it was like a little haunted. Oh, is the footage, is it done? Is it done? No, no, it's not edited.

But it's, I got the raw footage. I have. Oh, you got to do something with that. I had the raw footage. Hell yeah. But, you know, that's like, with me, like, I didn't deal with, like, back then, I I didn't deal with death, accordance. I didn't deal with it like a normal human being.

I would like try to ignore it and it would really hurt me. Like, you know what I mean? Like I never really mourned for my father. I never really mourned for pun. Pund was my real, real friend. Like me and Pund used to call Fad Joe to Fun Police. Really? Yeah, like we, that's how much,

because Joe was very, very, he's going to drink 1,500 diet Pepsi's, but he's not gonna smoke, he's not gonna drink. He'll drink if me and his wife, like force him. Like, oh, no, no. But he's not that guy. And that's how, I'm just saying that to say, that's how close me in pun was. And when he passed away, like, I, I didn't take it well. So what did you do?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. I just know that it's very, like, still to this day, like, I can't really, when his pun is, like, you know, his birthday, you know, I try to celebrate. But, you know, I never celebrate his death date. And I'm just not, that's my first rap friend. He's my first rap friend. He's my first.

How'd you get close? What are you on me? We met in unique studios, ironically. It's the first day I met Joe, too. Joe was supposed to be on Capone and Noriega's album. He's supposed to be on Channel 10. Buck Wilde produced this. So we figured we have a Bronx producer.

Let's get a Bronx guy. And Joe never did it. But Joe brung pun to the studio. And I remember Joe walking in and just like, yo, which one of y'all got shot? And I thought that was the worst, first entrance answer to any relationship I've ever had. Like, which one of you got shot? And then Capone.

He's like, me. And he's like, I got shot too. And then they had some shot story. Hey, I got shot here. This is horrible, guys. Like, Henry, and then one looked at me and he goes, yo, you're Puerto Rican, right? And I'm like, yeah. He's like, so take the ice grill off, Poppy.

Because me and you're going to be friends. And I thought that was hilarious. I was just, holy shit. He told me to... You want some tough guy shit. Because I mean, like, this guy just walked in and asked who got shot. Yeah. That was not the first...

Do you remember the first time you heard the dead in the middle of Little Italy bar? Do I remember the first time? No, but I remember me saying that this guy is a problem. It's... That bar is insane. Dead in the middle of Little Italy, little did we know every riddle of the middle men who didn't do dittily. And let me... I'll tell you it was crazy about pun that a lot of people don't know.

Pun used to run. rhyme sitting down. Oh, we know. He used to bring a whole couch in the booth. And for him to hold his breath like that and to like... That's a great point. That's a you would get to have the breath control but also be probably asthmatic because you're so overweight.

Yes, because you got to remember when you're sitting down, that energy is going downwards. That's why people lay vocals and they stand up. You know what I mean? So for him to still have that energy sitting down and still be able to deliver that breath control, it was amazing. like it was amazing like what I didn't I didn't know he was that ill until he passed away God bless oh really I mean I knew he was ill but when I went back and I was like you know we're

competition like it's hard to look at somebody even though he's your friend it's hard to see their greatness when you're competing with them like you know it's a secret competition regardless like I don't care I don't care what anybody said y'all were really competing because it's like you know you were on his album yeah yeah I mean uh cam corrupt me it was that arrow That was my favorite era. Oh yeah, that was the, what was that the Source Magazine? That's Source Magazine. The next generation of hip hop.

It was you, DM, Tom, Silver, Corrupt. So that was my favorite era. Like, that's my favorite year of my life, 1998. But it's also one of the worst years of my life. My father passed away. The fun passed away. So I had the bittersweet. And like I said, I never mourned.

I remember Chris Lighty coming to see me when my father passed. And Chris Knight, he's like, yo, I'm taking care of the funeral, everything, but your father would still want you to stay on this tour. And I was like, and I stood on the tour. And I think that that was the best advice for me, but I was supposed to come home and deal with it. Yeah. I just kept working.

I was burying myself with work until I started to realize, like, man, you're not over this shit at all. And then pun, I could, like, I mean, pun I could never get over with because whenever I see somebody, you know, Latin or whatever, they always say, yo, puna, or something. And I'm like, oh, okay, man, you know, because they kind of know. I'm going to tell you the illish shit I've seen recently with Puerto Ricans. All right.

I've been to Madison Square Garden for comedy shows. I've been to Madison Square Garden for concerts. I've been to Madison Square Garden for boxing matches. That must have been Friday night. This past a couple Fridays ago, I went to go see Amanda Serrano. Okay. Versus Katie Taylor.

Yeah. At the garden. They'll show up. I've never felt the garden like that. Puerto Ricans had that shit on tilt. I mean, I thought it was fights. I thought it was fights breaking out in the crowd because they were just so loud

and just making these noises and these chants. And then you look up and they were just waving the flag for no reason. Yo, that shit was crazy. And, yo, the love that the Puerto Rican community shows people. When I walked in that shit, it was like, I was like, am I Puerto Rican?

Right. They didn't know? We accept you. We're good people. We accept you. It was unbelievable. Bro, do you got to, there was a, I think this generation, like, younger kids, there hasn't been, like, a dominant Puerto Rican fighter in a while, but our generation

grew up with the Miguel Cotto's, the Tito Trinidad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, we got, I remember being at the garden for Tito Trinidad versus William Joppy. I don't know if you guys remember that fight. I don't remember that. Bro, it was, I don't even know if they were watching a fight, bro. There was guys. Yes.

I don't know if they were watching the fight. It was like a barbecue. Bro, they had a Puerto Rican flag. I had a Puerto Rican flag that was like six feet tall and then maybe like 20 feet wide. These guys were running around the whole garden. You don't even have tickets to access these parts of the garden. And they're just circling the whole garden. People spend $100 for a ticket.

They just looking at the back of a flag for a whole round. They didn't care. The whole guard is. That's how it looks Friday. Everywhere you looked, there was a Puerto Rican flag. I'm watching the fight. And like, you know how you watch the fight

when something happens. Everybody goes, ooh. So the crowd would be making this, whew! You're like, what the fuck just happened? Somebody's hiding. They shul late. Boxing isn't what it was in our generation

simply because there's not a dominant Puerto Rican fighter. If you bring back a dominant Puerto Rican, I mean, think about Bernard Hopkins versus Trinidad. Think about the buildup of that fight when Hopkins is in Puerto Rico, he steps on the flag, and you got the fans

that are swinging on a professional boxer. They're not shooting them, they're not stabbing them. They try to throw hands with the guy who's one of the best of the world. So y'all got Berlanga. Yeah, Belonga. We want you Belonga? We don't mind.

We don't mind. We're gonna ride to the end. We don't mind. It was nasty, but we good. We're good. We're gonna get back up. It was a rough week. It was a rough week.

Breakfast club fucked you up, man. You shouldn't have went to the breakfast club. But you kept him. He was talking crazy. He was talking crazy. I was more than. You got to build that fight. You got to build that.

It's a shame that he's not more elite because he's fun in the press conference. Yes. He's like, he would you add. He's like the Puerto Rican Adrian Bruner. Yeah. Oh, shit. That was a hell for Paris.

You don't want to. But let me tell you my Puerto Rican garden story. I'm not going to say the company, but company hires me to walk out or Ricardo my yoga. I'm down. But, but, but. He's fighting against him. Gio Trinidad.

You can't walk out with the, he's from Nicaragua. You can't walk out with a guy from Nicaragua. But you're a Nicaragran. No, I'm not. I'm Nicarican. Yeah. Oh, it was the nigger part that I was. Yeah, yeah.

So I'm Puerto Rican. So I get to the fight. It's a big bag. What's a big bag? What's a big bag? It was a bag. It was a bag. And I get to the fight.

And they sent me in front of Tito Trinidad's parents. Wow. Wow. And, wow. Like you just said, you just, you brought this up this reason why. And report a weekend in the whole Madison Square Garden and kept coming up to his mother. Paying homage. Yeah.

The mingas came to get me. It's time to walk out. I was there. Tell them, I'm good. Yeah. They're like, we have a car track. I'm like, cause tracks is made you broke in? This is one of the moments.

I can not turn on my people and walk out. And I was like, yo, what is your problem, Lori? Why did you even do it? But I'm like, yo, I'm keeping in free seats. I'm like, I'm staying here. I'm going to watch the fight. And like, you're so excited us. I said, y'all should have never done this, man.

This is a bad mistake. There was no way you could watch that fight in peace after that. No way you were going to walk him out and then go spit back down. That would have been the first canceled culture. Like, after a lot, from. within. Yeah. They would have disowned me

for calling myself Puerto Rican. Like I was Intrido won too at day. Of course. Yeah, he went. So.

Majorga was the shit though. He was so. He smoked cigarettes in the brain. No, he was wild. He was just so much he's drinking.

I always wondered how much of that was real. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, the drinking, smoking out of my yoga. Myoga. I think it was about.

Really? He was about that life. Yeah, he was about that life. You know, he went, he cashed out and just went right back to the shit. And I think he's fat.

He's fat. He just fought recently against a guy named... Recently? Really? He's got to be like 60 years old! He fought a guy who's an OG, his name. It was kind of sad to watch. But it was like a Mexican fighter that's been the Campos or something like that.

Just another guy who's, you know, they both were these two old guys fighting the rain. You'd never want to see it, but you got to do it ever, you got to do for money. But my organ made a bag, though. He had a couple really big fights. I think he beat Vernon Forrest twice. I don't know if you guys remember him. This was the heyday of boxing. for me. Like, it was incredible.

Listen, I'm telling, I've never seen any. I said, I'm like, yo, and that's funny you said that, because I was just like, whenever Puerto Rican fighters are going to be at the garden, I'm coming. Oh, it is. The way the Puerto Ricans had the garden lit up was incredible. Have you ever been in the Puerto Rican Day Parade? No. Do you understand?

Oh, no, I did. I've been the one. I've been the one. Let me just say you something. They had to stop that. It was a little bit too dicey. During me too, they had to stop that year. Puerto Rico made a freak of it. Look like Nicolode. Yeah, you're going to text me shit like that.

I wasn't ready. I can see why you're saying that. There's kids, and I even remember being as a kid like, I don't even know if I should be here right now. This shit is insanity. It was crazy. Let me tell you the point I'm trying to bring. It could be raining.

It can be raining. It can be, obviously, it's in the summertime, so I'm, I'm, it can be snowing. I promise you. Girls are getting their top. They are. They are. I don't know what Puerto Rican's A for Ray you went to, man.

You went to kind of like the foul one. I'm out there waving flags. We drinking Koki, you know what I think? We have an iceies. I go to the nice Puerto Rico. Yeah, I don't know where it shows. You went to the Puerto Rico. You went to the Puerto Rico.

You went with the Puerto Rico. That was the time. Yeah, but they come out all the time. So when you have support for them. We're really going to ask like, and it's two different. We're really going to act like I'm lying about that. No, but it's too different.

And Puerto Ricans, just so you know. A Puerto Rican from New York is totally different from a Puerto Rican from the island. And the Puerto Rican's from the island, they won't say it, but they think they're a little bit better than us. Really?

Yeah. Do you know what it is? It's Italians from Italy and Italians from New York. They're both Italian. They both love the heritage and they love the roots, but they are different culturally.

Yes. And indistinguishable in a lot of ways. Like, there's a lot of Puerto Ricans that grow up in New York that do not speak Spanish. There's a lot of Italians that grow up. up in New York and do not speak Italian.

So it is similar in that way, though they both have love for the roots. It's really fascinating. Yeah, I love it. That's a great analogy, too, by the way. So there's a little beef. You think that they think they're a little better. I know that they think they better. I know it.

I know it. Like, just like Spain, like people from Spain. They think they're better than people in Central America. They think they're the bourgeoisie. Yeah. Like, they're like, you know, you've been to Spain? Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful place.

He's Puerto Rican. I know. I can tell. I know my people. I know my people. But we went to Spain one time. And my friend, his name is Meadow. He's from Lefrak.

He's on Oyumikando with me. And Meadow has this dialect that he can, like, he can speak with the Mexicans and use their slang. He can speak with the Puerto Ricans and use their slang. He can speak with the, obviously, he's Dominican. So he does that. He tried it in Spain. Not working.

The waiter says, excuse me, sir, that is not Spanish. Damn. I was like, oh, shit, because I don't want to send my fool back. You know what I mean? So I'm like, yo, we got to take this. He's like, that is not Spanish. I prefer you speak to me in English. No.

I was like, yo, and everybody's like, yo, we should get up out of here. I was like, maybe not, guys. Like, this chicheron with the fish, let me finish. It looks good. But, I mean, that's how they feel. You know what I'm saying? It's like... I used to live in Spain, and let me tell you something,

they'd probably speak the worst English of any people in all year. So I don't know why they're talking shit. I don't know why they're asking you to speaking. Well, I had... I had fun... What is it, Madrid? Yeah.

I had... What else? Everywhere, I've been all over Spain. You know, I had one of the number one records in Latino culture. What does that feel like when you... Because, you know, we always hear Big Punn was the first, you know, rapper to go platinum.

First Puerto Rican rapper. Yeah. Spanish rapper, to go... Spanish rapper. to go platinum. How does that feel to be that for your community? Do you say, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I can answer. I'm going to, I can, go ahead.

Hey, what, you're probably? How does that feel to be that for your community? Well, that's dope. It's dope. You know, reggaeton, a lot of people say the gluts and the glamour of reggae thrown, but the reality of it is I had to, I had to really be in the fourth

front of this. Did I discover reggae tone? Absolutely not. But I see this genre of music and I said, why isn't, you know, DJ Enough playing this? Why isn't Camillo playing this? Why isn't what's my man? Envy. He's Dominican. Envy, he's Dominican. Yes, right. We claim Clue. Oh, Camillo, Camillo. Camillo. No, the guy from your station, pro style. Pro style. Why isn't he playing it? And I think that they just didn't have the records or they just had certain records. But I tell you like this, that, like,

doing reggae throwing was one of the most genius things I've ever done because I had to see the foresight and I saw it. And I went for it.

And now if you cut on the radio, you can't hear any radio without Bad Bunny. Facts. Bad Bunny just sold out a concert

for six months. Yeah, it's crazy. What the hell? What the hellie? This, yeah. He has that. He has a residency in Puerto Rico.

In Puerto Rico. It's one of the most fire things that's ever been done. They raised the economy. I think they said it was going to generate like... 300 million or something like that. For the local economy. So not just for him, but the local economy, the people that are getting hotels,

their rental cars, that people are going to restaurants. Like, I think that's one of the coolest that's an artist that's ever done in history for that community. Bad Bunny, I respect you, I salute you. Bad Bunny showed me love at Madison Square garden. But we shouted you out?

No, he seen me and was like, yo, and you know, he's one of the biggest artists in the world, so I don't even think he knew me. He was like, yo, papa, and I was like, he's a musician. How is he not going to know you? I thought, just let me be humble. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know if he didn't say was something like, fuck that motherfucker. That's right. This bad Joe tell a story about how you could have signed Bad Bunny or am I making this up. I was a daddy and you, or somebody who pulls the sign. One of those big guys, I don't remember. Pit bull, I believe. I believe pit bull. Well, Joe,

Joe is ill, man. Joe, for lack of a better term, is one of our leaders. That's one million. Who signed bad bunny? Who? Yeah. I don't know. I think, I don't know.

I believe Bad Bunny might be signed a bad bunny. Yeah, I mean, listen, just think about what we just said. We spent about the economy, all this. That's crazy. But one of the very first things that introduced that to Americans was my record. My record had 140 million an audience. I was beating... Omi-Canto, Joy.

Oymi-Canto. I, let me tell you this crazy. I was beating Mariah Carey in the build. Like, I was beating L. L. L. Mariah Carey. Leo Colons invited me to his house. This is a little earlier, but I'm just bouncing around. I'm giving you context. This is how ill this was.

Leo Collins invited me to his house. It's like 90th in Park. It's like 90 million. It smelled like 90 million. And I walked in, and Leor said, Leor said, You like this out? I said, yes, sir. I like it.

Like a lot. And he said, make sure you hot enough next year. I invite you back. God damn. Jesus Christ. How do you say that? You don't want to text that? That didn't feel like Leone's my man to this day.

But he gave me the harsh reality. I thought he was about to tell you, if you want to have a house, like this. Yeah. Like, nah, just be hot next shit. Nah, he's like, listen, you got to, you're here because you're paying the bills this month. Damn.

I mean, it was a harsh reality, but it was also reality. And it's like, yo, listen, I mean, me and Leior was over to, like, you know, that relationship, we're good. I'm going to Marfi Coast next week, or in August, and that's who I'm going to meet.

We're going to meet with Lear. You know what I'm saying? That's my man. But he had to give me that harsh reality, like, yo, you know we're not friends. Like, we eventually maybe be friends. But for right now, you're here because you're paying the bills. It was a reality check for me.

You understand what I'm saying? So when I went and I did Omi Kando, I knew that. I knew that. Because Kevin Lyleis, you know Kevin Liles. It's my guy, too. I love Kevin Lauer. Kevin Lous, let me go. I came to him and I was like, yo, I want to put out the Spanish record.

And he was like, you're kidding. And I'm like, yes, this is going to work. So he's like, Norrie, I've never done this before, but I'm gonna release you for this project. You could release five songs and that's it. Then you come back and you're gonna deliver a CNN album and you're gonna deliver a Norrie album. I'm like, no problem.

So I could go. He said, yes, you'll go. That shit got 500 spins. That shit got 1,200 spins. That shit got 1,500 spins. He was like, bring me my record. I was like, do we not remember the car? He acted like this conversation never happened.

And you know what? I took the check. I act like it never happened neither. I did. We did good business. And to tell you the truth, I know, I'm not sure how Kev and L.A. Reed, because remember, L.A. Reid had came in after that pause.

And I just wanted to say, you know, I never said this, but. You know, L.A. Reed and Kevin Lows and even Rockefeller for letting me do my thing because I've never signed to Rockefeller. They all put the building behind me, Sam Cresco, I don't forget you. Clorine Joseph. All these people was like, yo, we don't know what you're doing and we don't understand. But it's just like why we have to follow you. We have to. And now I make sense.

Back then it was like, come on, man. Puerto Ricans ain't buying records. I'm like, man, well, they buy in concert. Wow. They're showing up. Let's do what Mary does. Like, Mary, at the time, Mary was, this is what we thought. Mary was selling a concert, and when you get the concert, you get her CD.

I was like, that's simple. Like, I can sell out almost anywhere, and we just give them the album. But I never got it. I'll tell you one thing, man. After seeing what I saw in the Garden Friday, I could see why people would want to tap it to the Puerto Rican audience. I'm just telling you. That love was different. They're proud people, man.

Different. And they party. Let me tell you Sunday. They party all. Like, you know how they say, you know, the first time you get high is the best. It's the best, right? Well, it's this one party in Puerto Rico that I went to. And it's like, that's my one time.

Like, I've been chasing this high. Like, I've been trying to go to this because they had a part. I mean, when I tell you, this party was fucking amazing. And I just stood there And at the time in hip hop If they didn't have fights You didn't think the party was good So I'm sitting there like no one's fighting

And they're like no And they're like This is how good the party was I lit a blunt And the police Came in and was like Oh because smoking is frowned upon So my cousins

Look at me as a smoking blunt They're like oh my God Papita You do drugga? And I'm like, motherfucker, I've been seeing you sniff coke the whole time. And you're calling me a drug. Like, they're like, this is a whole lot of real drug, I'm ignoring. No eye contact.

Hold up here. They like, do a real drug. Oh, they call weed drug. Well, I'm telling you so, there's nothing like a real, real tempo party. There's nothing like it. Listen, you said you love Leo. Why? And I don't have no problem with Leo either.

Why do people, why is Leo not considered a call? culture, the people who actually know them. Because to the outside, because of that one breakfast club clip that has gone by so much where he said he got his family to feed, everybody says he's a culture vote.

Why sign an artist that would promote that? I already answered that question. You weren't paying attention. She asked me talent or issues. And I said talent. What I'm saying? That's hypocritical, though? It's opportunistic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got people to feed. I got a business to run. But I hear nothing but artists talk highly of them. Well, you know, maybe he answers that wrong. But I'll tell you like this, I went to Lear's birthday party, what it was. You ever see, you ever seen that picture with all of us on a private plane and we go to L.A.? Well, it was a benefit.

Hove was there. Swiss was there. We, everybody was there. So I don't see this coach of old's shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not, you know, I know. I know Dame Dash is Dame Dash, and I have nothing, I have nothing bad to say about Dame Dash.

You know about Dash, Charlemagne, you're on the inside. But I don't pause. But I have nothing bad to say about Dame Dash. But I guess that's their two relationship. You know what I mean? And for me to comment on that, even though I'm commenting it right now, it's probably, I think, because I personally don't feel like Leos are coached for you. Me personally.

Like, I love the guy. The guy has been there for me. me. He's been rough to me. He's been tough to me. But overall, he's been a great asset to my life. And so I don't feel like, I apologize. Yeah, no, I didn't, I wasn't doing that to ask, you know, trying to get you to say that. I was just like, well, actually, that's why I asked, why do people, like, you feel like he's not? Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't want to feel that at all. I'm, I'm gonna be honest with you, like, Leor gets dead. Like, Lear taught me mad shit. Like, I'm on time everywhere because of Leor. Like, to this day, I can't beat Leior to

a meeting. Like, anywhere I'm at, I had a meeting with him at the polo, the polo bar in, uh, Polo lounge. Polo lounge in LA. So the meeting was like seven o'clock. I got there like six. He was there having another meeting already. I was like, fuck. So every time I've tried to beat him, I beat him in the Mafia coast, but his boat was right there. So I couldn't consider that. Yeah, I couldn't consider that. So, um, he taught me a lot. He taught me, yo, always have a meeting and a restaurant where you're the man. Because as you walk in, like, just think about it. I walk in the restaurant, Charlemagne, I'm trying to negotiate with you.

And I say, what's up to the bus boy? I say what's up to the matrily. I say, what's up to the lady that's walking us to the table? I say, what's up to the waiter? I say what's up to the owner? I say what's up to the bartender. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. It's kind of hard for you to tell me no.

Just thinking about it, you're like, yo, this guy's a good guy. He knows the guy taking the glasses off the table. Hey, what's up, Juanito? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know everybody. It's kind of, it throws your guards now. I read a story once about a guy who used to take people

to this one restaurant all the time, right? For that exact reason. But he would also tip the waiter or waitress to get the person's order wrong that he was meeting with. And the reason he would do that is because he wanted to see how that person would act towards the waiter or waitress

for getting an order wrong. And based off how he would treat that person, he would determine whether or not he would do business with him. That's genius. Now, now, you fuck me up. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. Let's do some church announcements, man.

Okay. Folks, just stopping and pay some bills. All right, church announcements, show us what we got. Man, what am I promoting this week? I don't know. I don't have anything to promote this week, to be honest with you. The life is still on Netflix. Oh, life is still on Netflix.

Make sure you go check out life. Yeah, besides that, I don't know. Nori, what you got? Church announcements. This is the part of the show where we talk people what we got going on. And I just wanted to reiterate,

man, how good your special is. Oh, thank you, brother. I watched it the other day knowing I'm coming here again. We're nominal. And it's really, it's veteran. I know that's not a word.

It's Asian gracefully. Oh, thank you, man. It's aging gracefully. We just found out we were not nominated for an Emmy. Oh, fuck the Emmys then. Yeah. No, I'm going for an Emmy.

Not bad Emmys. No, I'm actually submitting my run footage because big up to my boy, Hector from Uptown, I don't know if you know him, he's the Dominican running from Uptown. He ran six marathons. He was huge.

And, you know, he ran six marathons. That's like so fucking awesome. And he has a crew called Roo crew. We went uptown. And we're fans of them. We run champs and us, we're good. And so, yeah. Do they tell you why?

He won an Emmy. You want an Emmy? He won't Emmy. Do they tell you why you don't get nominated? I was up for what's called like for Emmy consideration, which means like they're pushing a bunch of things. And then, no, they don't tell you why. I mean, like, the people at Netflix and the people around me told me why they think,

but it is what they're doing? There's certain politics that go along with this. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, for your consideration is good, though. To me, to me, the Emmy doesn't. I told you that, though. I know.

Remember I said that? I said, if everything's, fair and there's no politics. I said it's going to win it in me. Well, it should... Listen, I'm not being, I'm being objective about it. It's the best special. Like, it is the one that should win. I want you. What's the categories?

I mean, I thought it was phenomenal, but I don't... What's the category? I think it's like stand-up or there's also like, I think like the Conan O'Brien presents, gets the Mark Twain Award. Pull it up, Chris. I want to see. I'll say what show's cat. Let me see who else in it. Let me see who's in this

category. You say it's stand-up. It's not just stand-up. It's like a live event or something like that. Is it best a lot? Let me see. What was it up for? Outstanding Variety Special pre-recorded? Yes. Okay, so what's in that

category? Who is it? Who is it? I'll tell you. It's Adam Sandler's Love You. Ali Wong, Single Lady, Bill Burrs Drop Dead Years, Kona Brian Mark Twain Prize, Sarah Silverman, Postmortem, and your friend, Nate Burgazzi. Yeah, there's no way Andrew shows

the life shouldn't have been dominated. I know people are going to say I'm biased, but this is, no, there's no way. It's called the life? I didn't even know that. It's called, it's called, the life. Life. I didn't even know it had a name.

That's where to go. Look, if you want to go off numbers. You know, I brag about you, though, right? I appreciate it. Same to you. But yeah, but I think, I think the thing for me is, like, maybe if it wins, more people get to see it. But in terms of, like, the amount, like, it was top 10 in, like, 16 different countries.

It was the number two stand, number one stand up in the country. Number one stand up, number two, and, number one, and, it was the number one stand up, all shows. And also, like, a lot of people get that spot and then they fall away in a day. This was for two weeks. That, like, rarely ever happens with stand-up. So, like, in terms of numbers and people see it, nobody's really competing with it. More importantly, it's great. But that's the thing that matters. Let's talk about that. That's real. That's the thing. To me, I'm proud of it. The people that watch it, I think they got a lot out of it, and I think it flexed, like, the muscle that I want. It's one of those

specials that I think what it means means more than an award. I respect it. You know what I mean? When I, when the amount of people who hit me up that say, yo, tell Andrew, thank you because me and my wife went through this. Women, they hit me up and say, yo, I went through that, blah, blah, blah. I think stuff like that means more than winning an award. Yeah. And if it doesn't, that's what I'll say to make my friend feel better. Thank you.

Well, no, I do feel that way. My feeling was, like, if it does get that notoriety, it's, like, validated, but it's also, like, more people maybe get to see it, and then more people have that positive impact. And, like, I make it so the most people can see it. That's why I'm doing something like that. So, you know, they will continue to see it. More people continue to watch it. I don't think this is the thing that, like, goes away after a year.

Like, I think this is going to have relevancy as long as people are going through that kind of. As long as they happen. Yeah, absolutely. Kind of have babies. Continue. And so, yeah, like, you know, who knows what happens. But you know why? Oh, I'm going to tell you why that's such a great point.

There are sadly going to be people who are going to be going through IVF and not getting pregnant. Yeah. When they're dealing with that grief, put on. the life. And then now you're laughing, you're laughing at somebody else's pain, but also laughing at your pain at the same time. Yeah. Now that's the, that's a validating part. Like, listen, it's obviously great to be like recognized for something you work hard at, but I've never been, one to like define my success by like what an award show says. I think you get like, it's people, I think get addicted to that, especially when they don't have like the outside success. Like,

I think if I didn't, nobody came out to my shows, winning the award would be really validated. because it's like, you just want to know you made something good. But, like, my dreams were to do these venues, to do Madison Square Garden to, like, perform in arenas around the world. And this allowed me to do that. And then when we put it out, people saw it. It's like, that's, like, this would have been, like, some sprinkles on top, but it's not going to define it.

Right. My church announcement, I want to shout out everybody who came out to Midtown Comics last week. Yeah. I've seen you are Rob Marksman there, right? Yeah, my guy Rob Markman. Me and my man Dennis Cohen. I guess. Dennis Cohen is one of the founders and owners of Milestone Comics, you know, Static Shock, hardware, iron, icon, rocket.

You know, that was Dennis Cohen. And he did all of the artwork in this series, Illuminati. And we were signing copies of this last week. So salute to all of those people who came out. And I want to shout out Cheryl McKissick, okay? Cheryl McKissick from one of the biggest, the biggest black construction company in the world. Macisick and MacKissick. Her book, The Black Family Who Built America

Will Be Out. Family Who Built America. Oh, listen. This, wait until y'all read this. You know who McKissick and McKisick is? Man, listen, McKissick and McKissick, they have built so many different things. I mean, Lincoln Field in Philadelphia, the railroad, the Barclays,

what's they call it, the Barclays Rail Station? Center. It's not the center. The rail station. Oh, Atlantic Avenue. Landikah, yeah. I mean, they've built the Guadia Airport, JFK Airport. Like, oh, my God. I got to read that.

I want everybody to know, and please put this on the screen because I forgot to bring a copy of the book with me. But currently right now in bookstores, you know we got a lot of books out right now. But Don Staley, Uncommon Favor, is in stores right now. No-Holes barred by Mandy and Weese is in bookstores right now. Cheryl McItsack, the Black Family Who Built America, is in bookstores right now. of my book in print, Black Privilege Publishing, but on March,

uh, March 3rd, yes, on March 3rd, 2026, we will be releasing the first book from my guy, Two Chains. Look at the screen. Oh, shit.

Yes, Two Chains. The voice in your head is God, okay? Two Chains debut memoir, The Voice in Your Head is God. It's coming out on my book in print, Black Privilege Publishing with Simon and Schuster. Two Chene is going to be talking about his, personal and professional journey, and he's going to be sharing spiritual breakthroughs and lessons

learned on this whole process of life that he's been on. Okay, so, you know, the press release says the book will focus on two chains, is transition from a tumultuous relationship with hustling to a healthier, creative outlet in music with artists like Little Wayne and Ludacris playing significant roles in his journey. Yeah, it says Black Privilege Publishing Founder, Charlemagne's story as one of perseverance and reinvention, emphasizing the importance of following one's intuition and reinventing oneself when necessary. Two Chains aims to inspire individuals with dreams and visions who may struggle or doubt their intuition, highlighting the role of inner voices in his own success, man.

Yeah, man, shout out to Chene's. Two Chains. Man, let me tell you how God works, right? I've been a fan of two chains for a long time just from the musical aspect. Even when they was, I used to love Duffel Bag Boys. Like that second Duffel Boy's album, that's one of my favorite albums ever. Like that album is phenomenal. And I just was always a fan of his music back then when he was Titty Too, Titty Boy.

And then he became two chains. And I was still a fan of his music. And just the organic support that people show each other always comes back, right? So, for example, I think the first show the Breakfast Club ever did, like the first, like, concert we ever had that was like a breakfast club concert. Two chains came and performed. This was 2000. Man, maybe 11, maybe 12. I think it might have been 2011.

and, you know, you fast forward, you know, we've always supported each other. Just, you know, just salute. Like, he's the great artist, right? But then I got into the Crystal game because of Tuchamp. I got into the franchise game because of Tuchamp. Because of Chavez. What's his exact title like Crystal? The first ever head of creative marketing.

And so I was looking at Duval one year at Duval. And Duval did. Duval had all them little Crystal burgers, you know, down south, we got Crystal. Y'all got White Castle up here. So I was like, damn, Crystal, I ain't seen that in a while. So I hit Duvall, like, yo, when you get some Crystal burgers from? He said, man, you know, two chains, fuck with Crystal, blah, blah, blah, this and that. So I hit up technique and I was like, yo, what's the play on the crystal?

And he was just like, yeah, man, you know, we had a creative marketing, blah, blah, blah. There's franchising opportunities. Man, tech and two chains plug me right in with my man, Jonathan. And that's how me and my wife got into the franchising game. That's fine. So it's just like, yeah, it's things like that, you know what I mean? then, you know, yo, Tuchin wants to write a book. That's a no-brainer.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Let's make that happen. So the organic support that people show each other always, to me, pays off. Like, you know, people are always looking for some type of monetary, you know, compensation just to support somebody. If you like something, let me tell them. That's your problem. Y'all motherfuckers ain't got no problem hating on people. You all ain't got no problem slander

and people, you ain't got no problem talking negative about motherfuckers. So when you like somebody and you know, tell them because you never know how that shit is going play out over the year. So make sure on March 3rd, 2006,

you go out there and pick up two chains book. The voice in your head is God. You can preorder it now. Whatever you buy books. And that's dope of two chains to be able to make that pivot and be a creative director

for crystals. Like, where does that even come from? And then look at that. Shit, he's already a creative. If you're a creative and you can think of, you know, innovative ways to sell dope. If you can think of innovative ways to sell music, you can definitely think of innovative ways to sell hamburgers. Yeah. It ain't that difficult.

And while we talk about books, I got a book with Simon and Shuscher dropping. Yes, you do. With y'all's suit. I'm on my last chapter. And I'm going to tell the people, I'm so glad I didn't drop the book early. I had to go back and read the book, right? And I was so bitter. I wrote this in a bitter state of mind.

And had that book came out, it would have been angry and it would have been the best because the conscience would be a little bitter. What you didn't? I've never seen you bitter. I remember Prodigy had wrote his book and I kind of wanted to make a response. And I went too far. So I take the, I was 12 years ago. Yeah. I've been writing the book for 13. I've been writing the book for 13 years.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. And the guy, Brian, is an amazing guy. I used to work for hip-hop game. So I say to him, yo, listen, he happens to be a runner. So I say to him, listen, you're going to read me the book on all of these runs. We go on it. So he reads me the book. And predominantly, he's reading me the new parts.

He's reading the new version of me. So then I go, all right, cool, we're going to go to Equinox, and we're going to jog again to. to read the rest. Oh, my God. And I heard what I was saying? I was like, that was me? It was like, Noria, I have your voice.

You know what's so funny? Noria was the first rapper I saw it get mad because somebody said he actually shot somebody. Somebody actually said you were who you think you were. No, I didn't want that. I don't want that. I don't want that. Like, I don't want, I really, I'm really,

let me tell you who I am. I'm really a positive individual. I'm really, like, who I was, you can't help, help, help, hold me to that standard who I was or what I did in the past. Like, we have to accept people's growth. Absolutely.

I have grown so much. I'm here with my grandchild. I, you know what I mean? Like, I've done so much where, when I gave so much to the game that I don't want, I don't want to dwell on any negativity. Like, negativity.

Got some great negative moments. I got some great negative moments, but. Cheers to that. Cheers to that. Nause has never been in a fist fight in his life. Gotta ask you, you know what I'm saying? Naz.

called you out on a radio station up in New York, you know what I'm saying? How you feel about that? Because y'all's supposed to be homie. Well, Nas never had a fight in his life. Nah, fuck him up. Nah. And I know that we love Nas.

That's my second favorite rapper of all time. That's my favorite rapper of all time. Love Nause to death. I just see Nause. Love how he's growing. But that was a great... Y'all going back at 4'4 and Power 105 was fantastic. Well, he never went back.

I threw a flower pot at your head. No, I never said that. That's you making that. You did say he was going to throw a flower pot at somebody. Yes, you did. No, I never said that. I don't know if it was not. That's the rumors that was said, but I've never said it.

Really? I've never said nothing. Mr. Mandela effect, then, because I swear I heard you say it. No, if you heard that in the rumor, you didn't hear me say it, and you didn't hear no one saying. That was the rumor. That you threw a flower pot at somebody's head. That was the rumor, but it was that, hey.

Let's leave. You ain't going to burn it up. I see it. I see it. Bring it up. Bring it up. Bring it up. Nah, it's never had a fist fight in his life.

Yeah. But I, yo. Let's not dwell on that. Yeah, we... We had a flower pot. No, hell no. Hell no. What elegant establishment were you guys beefing at that had flower pots everywhere?

Ironically, it was a party. It was a party. But no... It never happened. Nothing never happened. Listen, nothing never happened. That was a moment. That was a moment.

He responded to him and I'm going to tell you why that moment, you can see the frustration in my eyes was because I was on tour. So after Nause has said that, I was on tour and I had to hit 30 city market. This is the biggest artist on the planet. I have to answer that every single time. So I would go on and you know, I don't take interviews if a person say, yo, don't talk about this. You know what I mean?

So I had to literally say to people, yo, don't bring that up or whatever, whatever. But this was the last interview, I believe it's in Philadelphia, I'm not sure. And we forgot to say that. So it was like the very first thing and I'm like, so, you know, when I look at that, do I regret it? Fuck yeah. You know, this is my friend. What did he say? What did I say?

He said, I stepped my rap game up, right? Yeah, he was mad. He was mad. I like Norriega. I like Norrie, you know what I'm saying? But I feel like he's really not taking this game serious enough. He's more talent than that. Who am I to decide?

Who am I to say something? I'm a human being with opinion. And, you know, the irony of that is I was on Hot 97, bigging him up. At the same time, he was on Power 105. Criticizing. Oh, he went out everybody. But the good thing about Nas is he's such a man's man.

I fuck with Nas. He's such a man's man. I just tell you. People don't talk about, they don't give Nas enough credit to that point of being just a human, a good human. So I couldn't hold my composure. This is one of them, this is my favorite artists in the world. He's dissing me.

Yeah. He dissed me once. I didn't know how to like, yo, calm down on me. Yeah. Like, I didn't know how to, in Spanish we say, Kamatee. Yeah. I didn't know how to kamatee. Right?

So I kept going. After that interview, I kept going. There was more bad shit than I was saying. And now I was like the gentleman and the man that he is, he said, Norie can say whatever he want because I should have never said nothing bad about him. Wow. That's real though.

That was like reverse racism because because guess what I did? I said nothing. I was like, wait a minute. That was too smart. That was too smart. And, you know, I was dumb at the time. Like, you know, Nause actually apologized to me.

Wow. But I was like, yo, you know, I wanted the apology to be public. Because of the evening. And I didn't know how. I was so young. and stupid. I didn't know how to be like, yo, your son, can you say that? You know what I mean? So, like, when he got on drink chats, he was like, yo, why didn't we bring that up?

And I was like, son, I don't want to be, remember. Nah, he said certain things you got to do, Norrie, just to have that moment of time, right? Because all of this stuff was public. Yeah, but me and him really squashed it privately. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, you know, he invited me to his career in the Bahamas. I went out there. We worked on a Massapel project that I don't know if ever came out. Like, we are... Oh, the album or something?

Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know if this is a secret. I don't know. But we worked on some shit. And he's one of the best people. Like, I went to his restaurant the other day, and I just text him the flyer. I text him the menu. He just popped up.

Like, you know how that is for my runchamps family who's sitting around and they're hurting himself? They're running 10 miles with me and seven miles with me and they blisters and they don't want to complain about it because I'm not complaining about it. And then they sit there and they get to meet their fucking favorite rapper having a dinner. Nahas got like, he got an aura. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, certain rappers are mythical.

Like, when I thought to people like Nori, Nori's a mythical rapper, but when Nori talks to me about pun or nori talks to me about Biggie, I don't know them. I never met them. They sound like you talk about Greek mythology, Greek figures from, you know, right? But we still have some of those alive to date. Right. Snoop Dog.

Nas is one of them. Hove. Like, they walk in the room, you're like, yo, that's Nause. Right? And the fact that he's grown and evolved so gracefully, the investments he's made, Coinbase, Ring. Nodz is cakeed them. Mass appeal.

Mass appeal. Catch, not catching, it's Catch. And he got ring. You got ring too, yep. Catches the restaurant. I believe, yo. But he has Cocoa Deck. That's my favorite restaurant right now.

It's fried chicken and caviar. Kim's restaurant? Who? Simon Kim. Kim. Oh, I don't know. I know he's down with him. or something like that. It's called Koko Decks. It's fried chicken. It's fried chicken.

He gave me the like the best compliment. The guy who owns coat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's down with it. He's down with it. Yeah, he's part of the investment group for the casino and queen. So he says to me, he says to me, yo, I don't know if he said, when he invested or when he got down with this, he said, yo, fried chicken and caviard, that's so you. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, I'm hood and I'm a bojeet, too. Like, yeah, I'm a little bit of both. You know what I'm saying? I don't mind. Yes, I eat caviar, beluga raw, too. You know, it's so crazy.

I don't know. I was about to make a statement. I was about to say, man, Nore, the best thing that ever happened to you was the podcast. But I feel like it's steps, right? You had to get the record deal. You and Capone had to get on. Absolutely.

Then you had to go solo. Nothing happens without the War Report. Nothing happens without the World Report. But the NORE is celebrating, what, 27 years? 27 years, man, that's crazy. Just came out, like a couple. What was the release day? It was recently.

And you know what's crazy? I think it's a July. Hey, you know what's crazy? You know how I celebrated it? Huh. Running miles. That's dope. I didn't, because now I'm changing my celebration routine.

Like, I don't want to always have to celebrate with drinks, smoking, and all that. So now I change my celebration. And now sometimes I celebrate with water and jogging miles. I went to an 86-year-old birthday. Who's birthday? It's this guy. He has no idea who I am. Yeah.

I see him every morning jogging. And so he asked me, he says, hey man, you guys, can you come to my birthday party? And there's three of us, me, Mitch, and Los, like, of course. And he's like, it's at 7.30 in the morning. I'm like, I've never been to a party. I have to go. You cannot say no to 7.30 in the morning. You run at 4 o'clock in the morning.

Yeah. So I go there and I bring him up the case of Ace. I know he doesn't know where Ace is. Yeah. So he's sitting there and then he has like three or four black friends. And they're looking and his is crazy. He's going to see this and he's going to bug out. So every morning around four or five or six we jog, right?

So we see these people on the boardwalk. We don't know who they are. Yeah. But we name them. So we would be like, it's the sand man. It's a guy he only stays on the sand. So we name him the sand man. So there's a lady we named her, the bike lady, right?

Then there's an army guy. We don't really know he's in the army or not, but he goes like this. Hey, then we go, army guy. Right? So we got all of these names. He's the only one that we named. We said, that's George Steinbrenner. Never knew his name.

name, we never knew. He invites us to a party. It's our first time getting personal with these people that we see every morning who knows nothing of who I am. It's so much refreshing. You know, when you meet people and they're like, you'll get a selfie and then you meet somebody like, hey, how are you doing? You're like, oh, my God, there's still humans. Right? So we named him George Steinbrenner. We go to the party, me, Lose, and Mitch. And his name is actually George. We're like, yo! So we're like, yo, George, and they called them George.

And then I seen this, it was three black people. And they're like, yo, do you know, have Noriega in your 86th birthday party. How old are the black people? They were older. They were like in their 50s, but they were young enough to still know who I am. They were listening to your music. Yes.

Yes. They didn't say hi to me, so I'll just let them stay nervous. I was like, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to give you a privilege. Yeah, yeah. Is everybody on the same level? Right, yeah. Man, the funny thing about,

Nori's one of the greatest storytellers. Yeah. I always say the three greatest storytellers in hip-hop is Nori, Fat Joe and Irv Gotti, God bless the day. God bless the day. Three greatest storytellers in hip-hop bar none. But I bring up that story to say that that whole time I partied with him

and I drank water and no one knew that. Everyone was like, oh, they drank mice and spade, obviously. I mean, who would, right? But I still did. And I noticed, I noticed. can do that. Like I can go to a party and just chill and just and enjoy other people. So what did you, I want to know that. So what did you change about the book?

No, I took my bitterness out, bro. Really? Yeah, because I got a different perspective of everything. I didn't realize how, like, I don't want to say I was bitter, but I didn't realize how much of the game I didn't play at that time. Like, meaning, you were too reactionary. Yeah, I was too, I was, I was, I was, to a certain extent, I was sensitive. Like if somebody say something about, like, for instance, you know, when you just broke up Push Your T, like that headline when Push Your T came back at me, it was like a Push your T, that was a different headline, but one of the headlines, it said, Pushed the Tea, Chak's Nauri.

I would have back in the days, I always just looked at that line and be like, oh, my God, I'm going to Virginia right now. I'd have been like, but I got to understand. Pugher T and me have a relationship with family. Like if these words are mystic. or it's ticking the wrong way. It's nothing, like for me, it's nothing for me to say, yo, my bad, that's the case.

You know what I mean? This is my family. Like, this is, and I'm not the clickbait person. I'm not that guy. So it's easy for me to actually say that right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, bad Joe said it the other day on his show. He was like, yo, there's nothing that nor we can say to turn him against me.

And that's the vice versa. I have to actually grow with time and say, you know what? These are my friends. And because, you know, I used to be like, yo, these rappers are not your friends. You know what I mean? Some of them are.

Some of them I go to your weddings. Some of them is at my baby's Christian in it. Some of them, like, yeah, they are, there is some good rap friends. There is, man, you know what I mean? And I got a lot of them. So that's what it is. It's like I have to grow.

I can't. be this the same person that you are, and I have to expand. You know what I mean? Like right now, I went to Pelotan, right? I guess you're doing in the Peloton, right? He's saying that, right? I was so comfortable in that space. Like, I'm so comfortable in a space where I'm not supposed to be comfortable.

You know what I'm saying? Who says you're not supposed to be comfortable, though? It all makes sense to me. I mean, yeah, I mean, it makes, because you're brilliant. You know, it makes sense to you because you're smart. Most people would be like, yo, why is here at the Pelotron? And I had an awesome time. I still with the people who run the marathon and they're sitting there and I realize I have

to start hanging out with these people. Sure. I can't be around. I can't be around. I know. Yeah. Don't think of it. Don't say it for the age.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I have to be around. I know. I have to be around people who think like me. Yes.

Who act like me and who apply it. Like I can't no longer. Yes. I can't. It's like, oh, my God. Like, I have to wake up in the morning and get to it. Like, this is something, I have to complete this. I don't have to compete.

I don't even know y'all is talking about. That's why, listen, but that's why I said, Nory to me, everything happened, nothing happened with the War Report. But the podcast is probably the greatest thing to happen to Nory, and I tell you why. Norie is a phenomenal storyteller. We already say one of the best storytellers ever. You have allowed people for the last decade,

because Drink Champs has been around for a decade. It's nine years. We'll be 10 years this year. To be able to tell their story. Yeah. Do you understand, like, the catalog that you have? You know how many people, nobody would even care? Yes.

You know, you know, that's a thing. Thank you, by the way. But let me just tell you, that's the biggest, like, phone calls I get is when, you know, I can look at an artist, right? I'm not going to say who because I don't want to blow nobody up. But I went to a party one day and I looked at the artist. And I was just like, he got nothing going on. Like, he's just here.

And I walked up. I said, yo, you want to do the show? And he goes, yeah. And I put him on the show, he flies out to Miami, and he calls me, this is the reason why I don't want to blow up the artist. And he calls me, he's like, yo, I got seven shows. Since I did this, and I'm like, what I'm saying? And he's like, yo, I got seven shows, I got two interviews, I got this and this and that.

And he's like, yo, so what do I owe you? And I said, you already did it, brother. What you just did? It was payment. You let me know my shit works, pause. You know what I'm saying? You let me know that my magic wand when I go like that. Right up.

And I've done it to so many people. Like I'm like, it was another group. It was a group so you can figure this out. And they were like, yo, they're paying my quota again. Like, you know, they've been trying to pay me 40 grand for every. And now I'm back to that 70. Yeah. And I'm like, yo.

And then they always offer me. I will give that. They always offer me and I'm like, I am not paying all the time. Good for you. I am not. You, your phone call telling me that your is enough. That's paying enough. There's an interesting thing that you were talking about, which is like the sensitivity in the early days.

And I think that, I think that a lot of times it's not what somebody says to us. I think a lot of bad here, man. Thanks, bro. I do have a lot of armp there. Chubakka was talking to me. And you had the nerve to go like this. What's your, what's your shit? You want to know what's so funny?

You don't have that privilege. Bro. Norrie, you know what's so funny about that? I'm in the barbershop earlier. Listen, I'm in the barbershop earlier. You know what's on the TV? Norrie interviewing Max B. Norrie got the tank top on.

And somebody goes, yo, Nori underarms, man. That happened today. They reject all of me. You know, bro. You made me run a shame. You made me run the shade. I'm like, you know, that happened today. Yo, I swear to God.

No, he's right. And I do shame. But you're made me, we're supposed to be here. Oh, no. You're supposed to be Harry. You're supposed to be Harry. You said, oh, God made us. Your shit just now, I was like, wait a minute.

Anyway, the boy I'll try to make, he's like, the shit that people say about us, a lot of time I So, oh, Saloo. No, no, that's yours. This one is mine, right? Okay. Cheers. A lot of times the shit that people say it about us, it's like we wouldn't even care that much

if there wasn't a reaction. A lot of times we're reacting to the schoolyard reaction. Yes. So like, if not said some shit to you directly in front of nobody, you might take and be like, all right, let me listen to that criticism and see if I could do it, whatever. But the fact that people are reacting makes us go, oh, my reputation is online. Not just you.

I think we all do this. Yeah. But I think what happens is like once you get some. more success and you feel confident and self-actualized at what you've achieved, the criticism means less because we're less insecure. Like, we're less dependent on what the public thinks on. Can nobody tell me about me? Thank you.

Like, why would I ever get online, see something about me, and get upset if I know it's some bullshit. Yeah, exactly. Like, how? Exactly. I used to be like that, though. We all did. Yeah, I used to.

And then I realized you're a millionaire. Yeah, not only that, but I realized, you know, I give props. I want to give props to somebody. One time, guy online was just chastime, chastime, chastime, chastime. I couldn't get at him. It wasn't nothing like that anyway. But Angela Yee called me. And she was like, hold on.

Just hold on. No, he was like, I couldn't get at him. Because since I couldn't get at him. Like, plan B one. I was reaching for flower box. I'm going to find shit. So, and Angela, you gave me some of the best advice ever. I was so in tune with, by the way, I'm the Twitter head.

Yeah. Like, I actually love Twitter and I love Black Twitter. That's a different Twitter. I don't know if you, I don't, you know, Andrew, you don't got Black Twitter. Oh, but. I'm aware of it. You aware of it? It's a rap.

It's a wrap. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. So I'm on black Twitter and Angelique gave me one of the best advice in the world. She called me one day. And I was like, yeah, you know, I'm dealing with this. And she's like, what are you dealing with? And I told her, she was like, dude, no one cares about that shit.

And I'm like, what? She's like, yo, do me a favor. Wherever you at, walk across the street and then walk back and tell me how many people ask you about that. And I just did it. I walked across the street and people wanted selfies. People wanted, you know, to talk to me. Then I walked back across the street, same exact thing.

No one brung up this subject that was happening on Twitter. Yeah. But I'm thinking this is the world. You know what I mean? I was so invested into positivity. I was so invested. And I was so invested to this critique of a person that was critiquing me. And I didn't realize this person doesn't even kind of matter.

Not all. It doesn't matter, bro. And it had me changed my outlook. on everything, you know what I mean? Listen, man, I love it. I remember Norrie coming on Breakfast Club and Norrie saying, I want to be the black, who was it, Gordon Ramsey or Guy Ferreri?

Oh, Guy Ferri. Yeah, Guy Ferry, yeah. No, it was actually Anthony Bourdain. Anthony Bourdain, I'm sorry. And I'm just like, that makes too much sense. On the run, eating? Yeah. So what do we do?

By the way, that was one of the best times of my life. It was, I went on a food show, like, tour. Yeah. And there's no beef in food. It's real beef. Yeah, me. I don't eat beef, so I give me to my friend Sunday D or Chek Bing or, you know, Mike Booth or Young, really.

But, yeah, so, like, there's so much. I'm bringing this up to show how blessed you are. I'll see you norie say things. Right. And it's like, he speaks it into fruition. I want to be the Black Anthony Bourdain. Oh, shit. I'm like, yo, let's take that out

the interview. Let's go try to make that happen. We made, we stole that show like three times. Yeah, yeah. Right? I had fun.

Big up to Complex. Complex finally bought it. They complex bought it. I think MTV or somebody bought it first. MTV boarded first. I'll be complex bought it from them. And so that turned, that evolves into Norrie going on these interview runs

and eventually, yo, I'm going to start the podcast. Yeah. I think what Tax told you to start the podcast, right? Yeah, well, Tax was one of them. He was, I did tag. podcast and then I remember because you was doing breakfast club every east I was doing breakfast club every east

North Eastern and um I remember I remember I remember I remember it was so crazy that I went to Canada and this is the reason why I think I started the podcast I got it for you right I think I started the podcast

I walked through the airport and a guy you could tell he was French he just said breakfast club and I was like what the fuck I was like, all the shit I did in my life You know I got five gold albums And one platinum album

And you only know me from the breakfast club And he was like, Burface Club And I was like, damn But those interviews was legendary I was saying Yeah, I took Critique I took

Not critique, you saw this data No, I was like, Yo, wait a minute, he's right People see me. He probably just know me through this So what happens if I like Start my own shit? And then it's so

so dope that years later, we got drink camps. But I remember everybody saying Norrie should do a podcast. Because of the Breakfast Club, Easter interviews, that tax interview was big. The Combat Jack.

God bless the dead. God bless it dead. And when you started it, look how big that shit has gotten. Now you got a book coming out. You got a drink champs network. Yes. It's like everything I've seen Nory speak to fruition.

I'm saying all that to say. Angel E. was right. Yes. Because you are blessed. So who gives a fuck with some. Somebody got to say. Yeah, thank you. That's not.

That's on bringing it all around. Spotify, it's Jay Shetty. Are you one of those media strategy people? Scrolling through spreadsheets, searching for an audience that pays twice as much attention to your ads than they do on social? Let me introduce you to fans. And they're here with me on Spotify. Trust me, I know fans. They don't skip.

They stay for hours. They don't move on. They manifest. They're not a demographic group. They're fans. Spotify advertising. You're among fans. Let's do some Asking Idiots, man.

And get NO out of here. We got any Asking Nidians for Nore? This is a segment of the show we do call Asking Idiots, where people send in questions. I'm in. We'll do a shot first? Yeah. I like that you like Saki.

Come on, bro. Okay. Worst gift you ever received, Norrie. The wise runner wants to know. Worst gift you've ever received. All right. I want to say this very, very careful. My friend Sonny D, BET, he's a very, very proud Haitian.

I mean, you cut him, I believe he would believe Haiti. Every year he buys me the most horridious gifts for my birthday. And I have to tell him, can you bow out of this game? Like, don't buy me the cologne that you wear. I don't want to smell like you. That's weird. We're in the elevator and everyone smells the same. Like, what the hell?

When he bought me, and now, Haiti, I love you. There's this snow. Shades of Haiti. When he bought me these Haitian slippers. And when I tell you, they had to be $3. Yeah. Because they was, it's like I put on cement. Yeah.

And it wasn't the Haiti flag. It was the actual stuff. It was so cheap. Yeah, yeah. Like, he gave no thought to my gift. Yeah, yeah. And I just said, please, sir, never again. I feel like this is offensive at this point.

Like, you're not trying to be my friend. You're trying to lose this relationship. And I would like for us to stop. Like, so I beg him not to give me gifts. That's the worst gift I ever had. And I tried to put him on. because it's, you know, it's respect when somebody gives you a gift,

happy birthday, you're like, oh, ah, thank you. And then you open it up, and it's something you don't want. You're like, you still be like, oh, word, word. And I tried to put them on, and I was like, I can't do this, man. Like, I don't even want to lie to you.

This is not good. What about you, Schultzworth, give you up God? Mark Gagnon got me for my wedding a bottle of Lenny Kravitz edition, Dom Parignon. on. Lenny Kravitz had a Don Perry on?

That's what I said. This sounds remarkable. What was it? Just champagne, but Lenny Kravitz. Like, I don't know what Lenny Kravitz got to do with champagne. I didn't know he had one. He drinks. But it was just the most thoughtless gift I've ever seen.

And he's... Well, I was it thoughtless. I would have loved that gift. I got Haitian slippers, God. See, make hasten slippers. See, Mark could have loved it. That's crazy. It was a horrible gift.

I've never gotten a terrible gift. I was raised your whole witness, so I appreciate every goddamn gift I've gotten because all my gifts came in my adult life. Thank you. Jaru was that, right? Absolutely, absolutely. Let's do one more.

Bresna boy, Bowie, says, do you think people are born kind or learned to be kind? This is an interesting question. And the reason I think it's interesting is because when you were talking about Fadjo earlier and you talking about punting them, I didn't mean pun, God bless the dead. I heard the stories.

But Fat Joe is probably one of the nicest people now He wasn't always nice No, why? Oh, see, I don't know. And everybody loves Joe. Like, when I see him, he's so respectful to people. He treats everybody with kindness. But it's usually those guys that'll hurt you.

Yeah, I mean, let me just say you something. One million percent. If you see a person that smiles and their smile is genuine, they've been to some shit. Especially if he's from the neighborhood. That means, that's the person who peace I do not want to disturb. Like, if you smile and I can believe your smile And you're from where you're supposed to be from

Oh, you know what? I'll get you your space Like the baby, I've never seen the baby do anything gangster I've never seen the baby, you know, whatever But his smile's too good He's been through some shit He's been through some shit Like that smile

That is like I'm happy to be here I'm happy that I got over this That smile I know that smile That smile, I looked at the baby, and I was like, he's not for somebody to play with. But Joe, even you, y'all are the nicest guys. I feel like even back then when y'all was putting hands on people, y'all was still nice. Yeah, maybe.

I'm not sure. You said in a rap, you never blazed when you see babies. Yes. Like, so you had principles. Yes, principles and respect is two different things. I know. I have principles. Oh, you just spoke around babies.

I'd like to see him. Oh, I thought he was talking about shooting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I tell you this, man. I praise God for who Fat Joe is. I praise God for who Stiles Pete is. Oh, my God. Let me just tell you something.

Stiles, let me tell you something, bro. Stiles used to walk in a room. Like, you just, like, I kid you not. He used to just walk in the room, like, I could tell he was looking, who's the biggest person to fight? Wow. Like, that serious. Stop.

Veganism, save style. Like, I'm just to be honest with you. We need him off the meat forever. Pause, pause. I mean, you know, come on, guys. But, like, I remember, like, Stiles was, he was that guy. Oh, shit. Sorry, bro.

Forfeit, Paul foot, go. Get him from Haitian. I got too, come, please. You did not forget. You're white. I respect that. You're the guy that walks in the bathroom in first class with no sleeves, shoes on. I've done that.

You've done that? That's some weird white people's shit. Yo, yo, I'll be looking when I see my neighbor. My neighbor. My guy sitting in first class. And then he walks in. And I'm like, yo, my God, man. You don't want to put him on a shoe.

And he's like, no, I'm okay, guy. And they're just walking in it. It's the craziest shit. I'm talking to a black person that you walk in the bathroom. Without shoes? The airport plane? No, I'm talking about the airplane. That's what I'm saying?

The airplane? Yeah. And you know you don't aim correctly when you go to the airplane. Never. You don't give a fuck about the next person. I don't even aim, bro. I just pull my shit out. Right. Who were we talking about before that?

So you think people are born kind and learn to be kind? I believe you learn to be kind. I believe I believe I'm kind right now. I believe I respect people. I don't, because I don't want anybody to come in my lane. My lane has no traffic. I'm not going on anybody else's lane. I would like to stay in minds.

I don't care about what's popping. I'm going to make what's popping. So I believe that if you're a kind person, you taught yourself to be kind because I believe that you come out a decent human, but the world makes you an asshole. Right, so you're born kind. Okay, your grandson's kind.

Okay, yes, right now. Yes. The world will impact. Society might impact him. Yeah, his environment might impact them. Okay, that's what this is born kind. Okay. You're dyslexic.

But I still think you learn, because you're born kind, yes. But then you grow out of that and then you have to reiterate that. You don't have to grow out of it, though. It depends what environment you're in. It depends what, you know, society teaches you what learning behaviors you acquire. No, school is going to get you out of that. School, I don't give a fork. What you go through, everybody has a bully.

Or everybody should have a bully. I'm just being honest. I had a bully. I became a bully Got bullied again Came a bully Like everyone has to go I'm mad at these kids

Who don't have bullies Like I'm mad Like why You didn't get punched in your face yet Like No one did nothing to you You mean you came home With your lunch money

Every day Imagine grandfather Norrie at the school Your son has never been punched In the face Oh yeah I don't want my kids to go through it But I'm just saying I see people, I'm like, damn, you guys have never been through nothing.

And by the way, I kind of respect the new generation, you know what I mean? I kind of afford it for some time. And I was like, hey, you know, being the old guy that you is. But now I'm like, I'm listening to boss man, D. Lo. I'm go glow-relioled out. Yeah, we can appreciate that stuff. Yeah. You got to let the youngest be the youngest, the same way we were allowed to be young.

Say wild reckless shit and fuck up. It's just like, yo, let them do the same thing, yo. Mm-hmm. I love it now. I'm embracing it. Now, people, I won't have them on the podcast, right?

But if they get 10 years, then you do. If they got 10 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the reason why is because... You've been breaking that rule lately, though. I broke it a little bit. Boom. The baby was one.

I remember. The baby was one. He got 10 in and dope. Did he got that? Oh, from me, okay, from what you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got Denzel Curry coming up. But the reason why is, and I blame the record label.

They have no more artists developed. None. They have nothing. So I remember me going to an interview and the record label saying, well, look, these are the questions they're going to ask you. And you prepare yourself. So you're like, all right, cool. Boom.

that doesn't exist no more. So with these new artists, a lot of them, they high, and I'm not saying all of them, but some of them, and they give you these two-word answers. Word. Yeah, it's like, do you want to promote your album or not, dude?

Yo, bro, let me just say something. I only have more success to you, but I'm platinum. You can't take my platinum shit away. You can't take my gold shit away. When you enter my house, those are the first things you do because I want you to know. When you're walking in, you're walking into a platinum motherfucker's house.

You understand? But we got to an era where people didn't realize how personality-driven the game was going to get. This is what's crazy. Like, so that's the reason why I don't take new artists is because if they come up there and, you know, Mike Kaiser calls me or, you know what I'm saying, Julie Greenwald, and they say, hey, man, we got, you know, no shoes, McGee. That's gonna come, you know, and we know, like, hook us up. No Shoes McGee, we're gonna say, yo, you know what?

This is the one time that you did a new guy. I said, all right, cool. And No Shoes McGee comes up, and he's the shit. Because everyone thinks they're the shit, why they're the shit. And you should think you're the shit while you're the shit. But just know, everyone else has been the shit too. That's right. Just been the shit before you and it's going to be the shit after you.

So humble yourself, homie, because you're going to go up and you're going to go down. That's right. Or even if you go up there, even out. Then No Shoes McGee comes on the show, and I'm like, hey, No Shoes McGee, man. You know what I mean? Boom, boom, boom, boom. How you doing? Wow.

Yeah. And he's on lean. This was worse than y'all bringing him here. That's right. Because get the fuck out of here, No Shoes McGee. I don't need this interview. I'm a bird man, you y'all. Or trio y'all.

You get out of here. You're finishing your done. You're finishing your done. Because you finish and done, No Shoes McGee. So that's the reason why. there is artists with personality there is I think the baby has personality Absolutely I think little baby

Has personality I think When he wants to When he's when he's willing to open up Okay well You know I don't want to say I had dinner with him But we bumped to each other In Makoto's Bell Harbor And it was nothing but love

You know what I'm saying Yeah because there ain't no cameras And no microphone on me Yeah You know who else Yeah Well, so the new generation of Kodak Black has hell of personality. Kodak Black is my, let me tell you something.

I got critiqued for Kodak Black. Let me tell you something, Kodak Black. I'll step you back any thing. That's my guy. I love, I love Kodak Black. I went to Prime 112. This is one of the best stories. I went to Prime 112 with Kevin Liles and Mike Kaiser.

And Kodak Black walked in Prime 112. This is the prestigious establishment. He walked in there with his own food. I'd better see no shit like that. Oh, you had a Haitian food. He had a Haitian plate. I looked and I was like, this is either the most disrespectful

or the most flyest shit I've ever saw. And I believe that let's just leave it in between. Right? And I looked and I was like, yo, cold out. You're not going to eat it? I'm going to, well. Like, this is my mama fool. My mama food way better than they shit.

That's fine. Why didn't he even come to Prime 112? That's what I always wondered about that story. Because he's a gangster. He's a gangster. My son Nassim, Aesim, Udo. Like, he's actually, let me just say something. Let me say this.

Got a big heart, too. Let me say this. We have to protect Kodak Black. Same way we had signs to protect DMX. And I did my part. But we, and when I say protect, I don't mean like, be worried about him, but I'm saying, yo, the culture has to stand behind him.

Like, this is a different individual, right? He's a different individual. But ain't all of us? Yeah. Ain't all of us different? That's what makes us unique. You know what I'm saying? And let me just tell you something.

Kodak takes care of his crew, bro. His whole crew, I see. And his community. All the time. Yeah. All the time. Listen, Kodak is a real one, right? And let me just tell you about his hood.

If you've never been to pomp in him. If you go to his neighborhood, you will understand who he is like this. Like his neighborhood is different. And you know what? He takes care of his neighborhood. They love him there. There was nothing happens to him. And for that Kodak, I know him.

I know him and I know who he is, but I also know how great he could actually be. He can be. I agree. I agree. I agree. It's just unbelievable. Yep. Salute the yak, man.

And oh, always a pleasure, my brother. Thank you. Thank you. Sure y'all keep subscribing to Drink Champs. Make sure y'all support the Drink Champs podcast network and partnership with Black Effect and I Hard Radio. Thank you. Make sure you go out there and check out Memphis Bleaks Rock Solid podcast.

You got Angela Simmons podcast. Yes, yeah. We were already filmed three episodes, but I want to also tell y'all that we have Angela Simmons on Healthy High Run Chaps, our first episode, independent next week, I believe like around Thursday. And we're going to just throw it out there and give it to the people, you know, we know that running it's only 1% of the world. So we're not promoting to everybody.

We're promoting to that 1% and we're like the biker game, the 1%. Absolutely. So thank y'all for having. This is my first time of a pretty idiot. I know you say we got to respect yak. I mean, we got to protect YAC, but we got to protect you too. You got to protect N-O-R-E. Thank you so much for coming about.

We appreciate you, brother. Appreciate it. As always, you listen to this podcast. You think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit,

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