The Brilliant Idiots - Piston Honda (Feat. Jah & Aida Rodriguez)

Episode Date: August 15, 2019

Andrew is back from Japan, Jah (@HipHopObama) & Comedian Aida Rodriguez stop by and discuss Jay-Z's deal with the NFL, Kapernick, Andrew talk about his Japan experience, Jeffery Epstein conspiracy, latest in politics, and more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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New York Times showtis. Let's go. Changing the game showtie! Hey! I'm shadow band on Instagram. No, I'm shadow band, though. What does that mean? They're trying to silence me, bro.

What does shadow ban mean? Dude, you got a little makeup on your shoulder. I thought you were a faithful black man. I am a faithful black man. My wife, no, this is because I'm just a hugger. It's ain't got nothing to do or nothing. You got to be like, baby, I got that from curving these bitches. I don't even try to hide it.

I walk in there proudly. And the thing is, you don't try to wipe it off. And if you try to wipe it off, it's like you're trying to come with something up. What I'm going to do is when I walk in the house When she says, what's that? You got makeup on your shirt? Like, what?

For real? Nobody told me? You don't say. Even though I heard it's the fifth time I heard it. I'm like, that's fine. Smart man. It's fine. Yeah, no, they shadow ban me, man.

What did that mean? So, Instagram does this thing where it basically makes you unsearchable. Okay. So if you type my name, Andrew Schultz, into Instagram, you leave a space. I don't show up at all. And if you type my actual Instagram name in, it's Andrew Schultz. my name might pop up in some of the feeds, but below where it's visual.

So in other words, you would have to keep scrolling. They did it to you too. They did it to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did they do that? Oh, first of all, I was going to introduce our guest. Oh, my bad.

She's an Afro-Latino comedian. She has a special on Netflix right now as part of Tiffany Haddish's, she ready, I don't know, she ready what? Comedy series. Day-ready, that's what it's called. They ready.

They ready. Comedy series. Iida Rodriguez is here. Ida. What's that? Hi, aye, aye. How are you? We also have another guest.

Yes, my guy, he is, what do we call you, Jha? I don't want to say journalists. Yeah, journalists. I don't feel comfortable with journalists because I didn't go to school for this shit. Yeah. You did Rich Paul. You don't need, you know. Yeah, school's small.

Nowadays, I don't know what it qualifies it, but a writer. He's a writer for Bossip. My man Jha. Yeah, man. Long time, homie. They got internet comics. They can have internet journalists. Fat, man.

Very true. Who's a TV journalist anymore? That's fair. I don't know because I don't consider myself a journalist. You're a journalist. I keep hearing that. Wait, are you a journalist? I don't think so.

Neither. Yeah. You're a radio guy. Well, to the standpoint that you're documenting the day-to-day culture and things is going on. I just left a press conference. I was at the Jay-Z, a rock nation NFL press conference with this white t-shirt on with makeup on

and this dream chaser hat and some art meets chaos jeans and some red pumas. You're brave, bro. Why? You are brave. I'm just disarming. You're like those fat girls. I'm just disarming.

That's all. I'm just like, this guy don't know shit. All right. Hiding my diabolical nature under this white T. Okay. So you go to this press conference. You go to this press conference.

What is that? You was in Japan. Oh. Yeah, Japan. Fascinating. Fascinating place. Wildly intriguing and also super fucking sad. Why is that?

Bro. What part did you go to? I was in total. Tokyo. And then there's also Kyoto. Don't bother. Kyoto sucks. You said clean. It's clean is as fuck over there. Oh, it's clean. It's a hundred percent clean. It's very clean. Don't bother. No, dude, it's like, you know what

Kyoto is? We wouldn't call it out this place. Real talk? We needed to. That was the problem with it. Here's the thing with Kyoto. Everybody white tells you to go to Kyoto, right? Or everybody non-Asian tells you to go to Kyoto. That's the Williamsburg. No, what it is is this. When Westerners go to Japan,

we don't want to see you in a business suit. We want to see you doing that fucking Asian shit, bro. We want to see a shingled roof. Safari. Smoke bomb ninja, right? We want it, like, when you go to Africa and you see buildings, you're like, bro, where the bones in your nose,

bro? That's what we want to do. Yeah. So it's like, so Westerners go over there and they're like, wait, where the kimonos, where the sandals, where the girls waddling and shit is fucked up. So they go, go two hours away where they still do that dumb shit, right? Which is up in Kyoto.

And it's not even authentic. You know they're wearing it just for a costume. It'd be like when, like, like Europeans come to America and they look for cowboys. Right. Right? And they're like, that's America. We're like, nah, that's gay guys or whatever.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's not what really Japan is about. Japan is a business capital of the world and they perfect everything. Bro, I had the best, and this hurts me as a New Yorker to admit it. I had the best pizza in my life. Really? Yeah.

Best pizza in my life. Whatever they do, they're craftsmen. They perfect it. Really? And if they can't do it, they kill themselves. Oh, they love killing themselves. That's their favorite thing to do. You been, you've been?

Harikari. Bro, they hanged themselves in a forest. They got a forest for killing themselves. They got the harry car where they cut their stomach open. They rip out their intestines. Oh, that lets me know that they know about reincarceration. Not about to see reincarination. That was the blackest term.

That's that press conference. You've been talking to too many Democratic candidates. The 2020 bill, the reincorceration of black people. I'm Bernie Sanders. It's both for me. Because the only way you would kill yourself that easy if you know you was coming back. Or you were so fucking miserable with life.

Yeah, they have so much pressure. They have... Really? They have hugging. Did you go to one of the hugging? Okay, so this is what they do, what I was talking about. You have to realize, these are fascinating people. Japanese, it sounds like I'm knocking.

They have the best of whatever your experience in life they have the best of in Japan. Without a doubt. Best beef, obviously best sushi, best pizza, best everything. But they transactionalize and commodify their whole culture. So, for example, if you want to feel like closeness to a person, a woman and just talk to a woman, you don't just go to a bar and try to chat up a woman. There's no game in Japan. Nobody kicks game.

You go to a bar where women, their job at the bar is to talk to you. You can't fuck them. You don't fuck them. You want to get your nut off later that night? You go to a different bar where they jerk you off. Damn. You want to wash later that night after that because you don't want to go home to your wife with cum all over? Go to the next bar.

Another spot to clean your house. dick after it got whacked off. It is every aspect of culture is completely broken up into its minute detail. There's an app for that. But their country is apps before app. Yeah, they got the hugging one, and then they got one to cuddle. You just lay down during

your lunch break and just cuddle with another person. You hold each other. Yo, they have a hedgehog cafe. The fuck is a hedgehog. You know, Sonic? Are you eat them shit? No. I was going to say that. You said cafe.

I just have a puppy cafe. They have a cat cafe. They have literally you're walking down the street. Because you're walking down the street and you're feeling sad. You're like, what would make me happy? Oh, that's beautiful. Puppies. I'm with you on that.

But a Japanese person would go, well, what is the cutest thing ever? And you're like puppies. And they're like, well, we should let people play with that during the day if they wanted for like half an hour. And in America, right? In America, we'd be like, oh, that's stupid. But in Japan, they'd be like, no, we need that. Damn right. And they just do it.

Dude, it is, I'm telling you, it's fascinating, but also there's, like, a sadness because when you commodify everything, there's no organic. Yeah. Right. Yeah, everything is transactional. Bro, like, you didn't even see,

like, and dude, they're so polite. It's like, the bowing is excessive. They're so polite. They're constantly, it's like squirrels. Like, they're constantly, like, you ask, can we get a taxi? Oh, do, do it. Like, you didn't, I didn't meet one just, like,

calm Japanese, dude. Really? Oh, what I'm fam? Like, that doesn't. And a lot of people? Son, mad people. So it's like New York Times 10 or something like that. It's New York.

That's how I felt about it. I went to Tokyo with, I went to Tokyo with Marcia and Brosha's like back in 2000. Oh, let me pick that name up. You just drop me. That's right fast. And I had the best fucking Egg McMuffin. Did you go to McDonald's with you over there? Best Egg McMuffin you ever have in your life.

I don't know if it's the water. I don't know what the fuck it is. But like they perfected that shit. It's not even a fake egg. It's like a legit egg, a legit piece of country hand, whatever the fuck. When I was, when you. When you eat eggs there, you'll open the egg and the yolk is red. And you're like, why is the yolk red?

And they go, oh, the chicken only eat herb. And I'm like, I didn't even know you should feed the chicken. Yeah. Some specific thing. Well, guys. Yeah. I know we got a young lady here, but I'm not telling you what the best part is. I mean, everything else is that good in Japan.

I mean, I'm trying to live vicariously through young guys. A faithful black man over here. You want to know how to pussy is? Yeah, just asking, you know. They went up on you with the handgrave? What the girls? You leave out the club, and the girls will come up to you and, like, rub the middle of your palm. And they let you know, like, if you want to go around here, this is what it is.

They'll hold your hand, walk down the block until you say yes or no. And you'd be to sue them off and they roll out. You know what I say yes in Japanese, John? No, I should have figured that out. Jesus Christ. I stayed away. I ain't want no trouble. Such a different word for women.

There is, dude. I wanted for you. Did you go? Did you go? Yeah, nobody rub the palm of my hand. Okay. But what I did learn was a lot of those Japanese women that come. come here and you see them shopping. They're at Gucci. They're Louis Vuitton. They're

prostitutes at home. And they come here. They make so much money. They are, they are like, they make so much money in Japan selling ass and then they come here and have more money than people who go to work, like got real jobs and careers. How did you feel about like what it was like to be a woman in Japan? Well, for me, they were looking at me like, what is she? Yeah, what are you? Yeah. and Moishi and Brown.

You know, it happened to me in Korea and in Japan where someone was like, you're here. Michelle Obama. Yes. They round you off. Yeah, they round you off to the nearest black. Right. And whoever they can identify with, like,

a tall black dude is shack. You know, like, it's unbelievable. Round you off to the nearest black. Yeah, yeah. And they did. That whole Michelle Obama thing or Tyra Banks or Puerto Ricans are unheard of, and I'm too dark to be J-Lo.

You know what I mean? Dude, it is, there was a, I went out to dinner with a couple Japanese women. One was Japanese but born in Brazil and raised in Brazil. And the other was Japanese but raised in the UK, right? So they're Japanese genetically, but cultured in different places. And I was just asking them about, like, what is like being a woman there? Like, is there like, is there like casual dating? Is there game and that kind of shit?

And they're like, no, it's not, doesn't, doesn't exist and all. And I was like, is it kind of like, do women like take care of the house? Do you take care of the family? like do you also work? And they go, yeah, you have to do everything. And I'm like, that's even more oppressive. Because think about like, at least in like a misogynistic culture, right? Like the women, they're like, you got to stay in the house.

But you get to stay in the house. In Tokyo, it's like take care to kids, do the laundry, do all that shit, and work 14 hours at the fucking Toyota factory. Isn't that worse? Building fucking corrosion. Like, isn't that you don't get any of the benefits of the usual. massaginy. And they were saying like one percent of Japanese women orgasm.

She said she was fucking this Japanese dude once and she was like, I'm about to come and he goes, oh, you don't have to tell me that. Like, it didn't matter to him. That's not important. Yikes. Dude, yes. So it's like in a weird way and don't get... I'm going to live in a society where women

can't come. Well, isn't that society? I was like they live in that society right now. Oh, speak for you. guys. Yo, I literally just had that conversation with some women last, like... What, the woman you didn't make come?

No, not my... Listen, Tell us about Marcia Ambrosius in Japan. No, that's what we die. Help me. I don't know who that is. Who is that? Marsha Ambursus.

One of the greatest Army singers of all time, if you have to... Yeah, the homie, the big sis. That's one of the greatest ever? Mm-hmm. Hell yeah. What about Ariana Grange? She sang at Nixie's funeral. Oh, did she?

She did. She's a beautiful voice. She blew it out the woman. Amazing. I love, I mean, I love those. Yeah, Marcy's beautiful. And did you at least try to engage? It's my sister. You guys are related?

No. This is my people. Hell no. What if she threw it at you? Fuck no. Really? No. Do you believe that?

I don't know. So wait. So this, so wait. I don't know if I believe that. I mean, I get it. I mean, listen, I got, I got home girls that I just, I don't look at in that way at all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's not even, I never looked at it like that.

I have eyes for my wife and that's it. But. Prior to that. Never. I think that that's one of the mistakes that guys make when it comes to a girl that, like, you were sexually attracted. I don't even understand what's going on here. You mean you've just been friends with a girl, and even if she tried to have sex with you, you wouldn't do it. Absolutely.

100%. There's not one. If I'm, if we're just friends, it's because I'm not sexually attracted to a part of your personality. I got beautiful home girls Who are just my homegirl There's not a single girl There's not a single, no, meaning like You could be beautiful

But your personality doesn't sexually turn me on So then you're just a homie We're like friends There are girls like that Like I'm, you know But you don't have platonic female friends Not hot ones That's not true

That's not true They're beautiful But their personality is fucked up The personality isn't sexy What's a sexy personality? Like you're these girls They're trying to like dab you up and shit It's like, me.

You know what is that about, you know? Does she sound like Jada Kiss? Yeah, she got, you know. So if the most beautiful woman in the world came up, do you, dap to you up? She sounded like Jada kiss and she wanted to give you something? You wouldn't smash? I'd be like, listen here, Caitlin. You ain't going to trick me twice.

Not me, I'd whisper to Jada, we're going to make it. Fool me once. I think it's better to have women friends that are just to be cool with. I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that. But I'd be inauthentic and I'd be. disingenuous if I said that I was just friends with a girl that I was sexually attracted. I'm not one of these guys go, oh, no, babe, let me help you put together your fucking furniture.

No, like, yeah, I think you're attractive. Now, if I have a girl, like right now I got a girl, so I'm not acting on attraction to these other girls. And I can compartmentalize it, but I'm not going to act like I wouldn't if they threw it at me and I'm single. No, I've never felt like that with any of my home girls. I value my friendships too much. If I call you my sister, that's what it is. You know what I'm saying? I got friends that are my home girls

who are like my family for real like and I'm cool with that And if they, what if they were like I want to be closer than family? I'm be like, I'm going to tell my wife because now she's going to kick your ass You're over here eating dinner with us and coming on vacation and all this bullshit

hypothetically speaking, right? Your wife said you know what? You've been faithful for so long that you deserve some unfaithful. You deserve it because you're such a great strong black man that even the strongest black man you know, Blade every once in a while

need to bite some real blood. The serum don't always work. Yeah. So if she was like, go out there. No, no, no. I would say, baby. Baby. That's a trick.

As always, we're in this together. I would say, baby, as always, we're in this together. Yeah. So I'm good. You know what I'm saying? But if you insist, you choose. What if she said, I will divorce you unless you go out there and you get some.

I'm going to say you choose. So she choose the girl. Yeah. You find some strange, not your home. home girl. Exactly. Whoa, you bring the

home girl. That's what I said. Oh, my God. You'll never hear the end of that. That's the offense. You know what I can't do that. Like, oh, I knew it. That was bait.

Fuck that. All right. But when you got a whole crew of home girls that's this your homegirls, you're like, look, man, why if you're making me go fuck somebody else? You find somebody for me, please. Now, that might be the safer play.

If it comes down to that, like to her to find one, she. We are, every, I think many women have done that. you trick your dude and saying if you could sleep with anybody. Any one of my friends? Really? Which one would it be? Yeah.

But don't you all even know your most attractive friend with the fat ass? No, but that's because my perception of a beautiful woman is very, or a woman that you want to fuck is very different than a man's perception. I know, you like a girl who's like good at listening. Because I'm a girl, right? Claudia listened well. Are you like girls too? No.

Oh. No, meaning like a woman's, what a woman is attractive? to, right, is different than what a man is attracted to. Got you. Right? And it's I think that you're completely right about that, right? Like, we have different things that we're drawn to. Like, a guy, I can be sexually into a girl

that is, like, dumb, has nothing to say and completely boring, but I can find her physically attracted enough to want to sleep with. My ex-boyfriend I asked him, and he finally answered the question. What you're saying? It was a girl I would never think. Like, I

have some beautiful, beautiful, beautiful friends who are beloved chos have the most banging bodies and the girl he said was this white girl that didn't have no ass and I was like really I broke up with him

but uh... broke up with him yeah we broke up but we had a lot of other problems because of a white girl with no ass no no no I should have broke up I should let him fuck and be like but it was because she was a white girl and in his mind she'll do anything why do brothers think

that people of color why do we think that white girls do anything that's not true no it's not no what do you tell me what you call anything listen you can't i've dated everybody i dated latinas i dated white win i dated black women i dated the whole thing not indians but everybody but indians what a white women doing that black you can be getting head from a white woman and you can go you can go hey eat my ass right you could look at a white woman's face and go hey

eat my ass and then she'll look up and be like okay if you Alex what do you mean so sisters ain't doing that let me tell you something

I've dated plenty of black women I have attempted I have attempted I have attempted tell I've I said, and it wasn't, hey, eat my ass. It was more of like a, what would it be like if you ate my ass? Is that like part of the thing?

But listen, though, in your younger days, in your younger days, you had a hairy ass, number one. I do have a hairy ass. Number two, and I think that it's like some white supremacy type of feeling for a black girl for just to be getting something some white dick, and then all of a sudden eat my ass. Well, you didn't have to make it fucking racist. I just told you, I asked the white girls, too. I was trying to treat her like an equal, okay? I was trying to uplift this beautiful black queen.

I've gotten my ass eating by white girls, black girls. Black girls eating your ass? Yes. Not, I'm not going to talk about your marriage, but I'm at extramarital affairs. Black girls just running down eating your ass all willy-nilly. Your ass. You're in sweatpants all day, sweating up that ass. I don't do that.

I'm not nasty. What do you mean? I wash. I know black women who eat ass. Oh, Latin women eat ass. But the difference is I think that with... Latin women eat ass. Let me tell you something.

Come cullo. Not if you say it like that. How do you say it in Spanish? I don't know, but that comé cullo is... Can you say the differences? I just think that with white women versus black women is that nobody... White women don't equate, don't get their self-esteem. You can't mess with their self-esteem based on their sexual activity.

It's very socially and culturally acceptable to be... I get what you're saying. You know, nobody judges... White girl a whole is not... She don't care. She might not be like, oh, asshole. just keep it moving. Yeah, and she's like, I'm going to tell my dad to fire you, motherfucker.

You know what I mean? So you're saying as a minority? I've never seen white girls in the slut walk. They invented the slut walk. They are the slut walk. The slut walk. The slut walk. Amber Rose's version of the slut walk.

No, the slut walk is for white girls to dress slutty. Not Amber's version. Amber's version is different than the ones that the... I don't know what Amber's is like... If you call it the slut walk, then you're perpetuating patriarchy. If you are... If you are saying I'm a slut and I'm proud of it, then you are not...

standing for your sexual liberation. You're taking the label that men gave you in Rolewood and being like, okay, that's me now. It's calling like the end people walk. Yeah, nigger walk. I'm tired of these white people calling us, we're going to do a nigger walk. Matter of fact, let's embrace it.

What's up, niggas! It's the same, it's like for me, but women of color, we can't do that. Our street value goes down. Women, if you're a hoe, it's bad. Yeah, because we get penalized for that in our culture. You do? Of course we do.

I think it's more demonizing for women of color than it is for women. Within ourselves and amongst you have to understand that black women have been over-sexualized since the beginning of time. So there's so many nuances that comes with that sexual reality when it comes to people. Ida, you got to answer this shit for me. When did Latinas become black? My whole life growing up, Latinos would shun that shit. Yeah.

Oh, I'm not. It's different. That's different. There was a lot of colorism in the Latino community. When the boats landed in Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Dominican. Dominican Republic, Colombia, and Spain went there and colonized them and raped them. That's when there are so many black Latinos, and I don't understand, you know, I think the divide and conquer thing is real.

Of course, the colorism. It exists in Haiti. Haitians are Afro-Latina. Right, but I'm saying for the first time in my existence, since we got woke. It seems like Latinos are embracing the blackness that is in their heritage and their genetics, whereas prior to that, there'd be a rejection of it. And there was a distinct, like, I would see,

I would see darker-skinned Latinos call black people Negro. Yes. Yeah. When they were... Negro. Negro. And now...

Dominicans, Dominicans will call black people. They'd be like the black people. And I'm like, bitch, you... You're black. They got cornrows, they got the whole shit. It was a time when the term black wasn't even a good term. The term, black was considered a derogatory term. around

1965, I think 6465 is when they started embracing the term black power. And Martin Luther King Jr. did not like the term black power because Martin Luther King Jr. said that what

what Martin Luther King Jr. was about was equality. He wanted everybody to be on equal footing. He didn't want white power or black power. He just wanted everybody to have power. So he used to be against

like his man, Stokey Carl Michael and them who was screaming out black power. So they didn't even like that term. Hmm. I understand his, I understand his rationale,

but sometimes you need a power movement to even get the self-esteem up to the point where you can feel equal. Like sometimes you need it. It's like those slut walk and all these kind of like women's marches. It's just for me, like I just view it as an overcompensation that is needed to balance the ecosystem

because there was an insecurity. Yeah, but with the slut walk for me, it's like call it the sexual liberation walk. Find another name. Like I own my pussy walk, but not the slut. I would hope you won't it. My policy is a sole proprietorship. You know what I mean?

You don't, not the sub-laws. Who do women think are like against that? That's what I've never understood. The thing is that, like I tell you, that there is a penalty for being promiscuous when you're a woman, right? Who charges you? Like, there's got to be... The culture.

Yeah. It's the society. But we love, we love sluts. But that's not true. But that's the hypocrisy of us. That's not true. But that's the hypocrisy. I mean, you don't have...

Would you marry one? I mean, yes. That's a difference. Look at somebody like... Or because she's a slut? Her being a slut and me loving her, I'm not going to love her for her sluttiness. But like if a girl's had a bunch of sexual partners, all right?

I'm a fucking man. But let's be clear. You might be that, that might be for you. Not everybody is jiving with that. Everybody's not going on that. That's insecurity, dogs. It is. But in the hood, they'd be like, oh, no, don't fuck with her.

She fucked Jumpa. She fuck man, man. Exactly. Don't fuck with her. She fuck me. Your value. That's how much. By the way, we ain't shit.

When you're a woman, your value depreciates when you're, when you sleep with a bunch of guys. When you're a man, your value appreciates. Well, that's how society puts. But real talk, that's how we each view each other, right? It's like, women, you value the fact that other girls want to fuck me. And that makes you, not you, but that makes a woman want to fuck me more. Because you're like, oh, shit, well, if they fuck it, what's so special about him? For some women?

I think we're just being generalizations. Yeah, for sure. generalizations. Yeah, some women. Some women have a sense of value. We value want to fuck. Because we got terms like dirty dick. But y'all don't care.

There's not one dirty dick dude out there that can't get whoever he wants. Who's the dirty dick? It depends. I don't know. Everybody doesn't want HPV. I'm going to say, 30 has a scale. We all got HPV. You ain't got HPV?

I'm not fucking no girls without HPV. You want to be with a girl who has sex with more? Look, listen to what she's saying. Yeah. What's in you? Would you be upset? No, that's a slut, bro. That's different, bro.

You can't be... You know what I'm saying? Slut. Like, I got to be sluttier. Like... It's levels to this slut shit. Yo, there's a wage. There's a dick gap.

You know what I mean? It's like, like, I got to have at least 30% more bodies than you. Listen, I would, I used to do this joke and I'll go on stage and say, ladies, how many of you have had sex with a man and wish that he died so you wouldn't have to count him. Holy shit. And everybody would get quiet. and then I would just release them and all the women would go crazy because it's like

there's a belief that you shouldn't have more sex partners than four if you're a woman. It shouldn't be more than one hand. Like all that bullshit. I think that joke is hilarious until you found out the man died of AIDS. Sure.

Then you're like, oh. I don't know. You just gave it. You never put that in the joke. That's going on in the special. Talk about your special. show Ida? Ida got a great story, man.

You know Ida's story? I don't know your story. No. Well, you know, I got kidnapped twice, and I talked about it. You didn't learn the first time? Who told you to wander around that playground by the same? Stop getting in the van. It's not funny. White people have perfected blaming the victim.

Yo, we're the best of it, right? I know. First thing I thought, twice? You know what? That's your perception. Stop walking around alone. You know what? The white guy said that to me, and Joe Claire was like, shit, you was hot in them street.

Yo, the kidnappers while talking about, careful, she get away. So they're like a kidnapper at where they all talk to each other? Like, yeah, this one is serious. Serious question, though. How did you get kidnapped by family members? No, I was kidnapped by family members. So the first time my mother kidnapped me from my dad, which is the number one, you know. We call that love.

Yeah, well, she, you know, she changed my name. He didn't see me. He found me on Facebook. Wow. My dad had been looking for me my whole life. And my mom was young. She was like 16 years old. He cheated on her.

She took me, moved me out of the country, changed my name. Move you out of the country? Yeah, we lived in the Dominican Republic, and I moved back here, and he wasn't a citizen, so he kept getting deported, which is also I talk about. So I didn't grow up with him. And it was very painful. I was very resentful. My mother took my father away from me because he cheated on her. And a lot of women do that.

And you cannot hold your kids. as ransom, you know, like, you can't do that to the father of your children. You can't, you got to, you have to keep the mother, the man, woman relationship separate from the kid relationship. It's very damaging. Can we just? I was little. I was like two, three years ago.

Can I ask a question? Just a question here. Okay. Because if you can't, you know, change your situation, you can change your perception. Absolutely. And, like, that whole story is a testament to a mother's love, man. Absolutely. Like, your mother loves you.

Like, as a white, like, our parents don't really. love us that much. I don't know if you know about that. But like, my mom does not love me enough to steal me from my dad. 100%. I don't think the mother had anything. I don't think that was love. I mean, I'm sure she loved you, but I think it was more so fuck

him. Yeah, but think about it. Let me hurt this. Latinos love their fucking kids so much. That's a punishment. Like, most people, if one parent took the kid away from the other parent, the other parent would be like, so weekends or what?

Like, I was going to leave. Are you going to leave first? Thank you. All right. You know what I mean? Like that? But that's, that was a punishment to your dad and your dad love you so much. They're on Facebook. He's looking and trying to find his daughter. Yeah, he cries every time he talks to me. But you know, the thing was that my mom was that, my mom was the pedophile. He was a pedophile. Are you sure you were the pedophile for like the first few years that we connected? Because my mom was like 16 and he was like 26, 27. Right. And. He wasn't the pedophile. He was a pedophile. Are you sure you were on? Dominican Republic, not little St. James.

She said. Epstein humor? Okay. You got it. Oh, okay. I forgot the name of it. That's okay. I've been paying attention. I think that she thought that he was not good for me, you know, because she was like, I'm a kid. Like, I'm going to get her away from him.

But she was being vindictive. And it was, you know, it was tough. Then my grandmother kidnapped me from her. What? On dad's side or mom's side? Her mom. She was the next guy she was with was a killer. He was like on the FBI's Most Wanted list for murder. So my mom, we were on the run with him.

Like we got raided by the SWAT. It was all this craziness. Really? Yeah. So we were in New York. We were in the Bronx and my grandmother came and she stole me when my mom was out. I was with the babysitter. She put a knife to the babysitter's neck.

She took me and she cut all my hair off. She changed my clothes. put me on a plane, took me to Florida. That was love. Saved you. She saved you. And then my mom came home because I believe my grandmother dropped a dime on the guy and he got arrested and went to prison and then my mom came home.

What kind of murder, though, when you say he was murdering people, was it like drug-related murders or just? It was a senseless murder. He was in a bar. He got into an argument with the guy. The guy pulled the gun out on him. He took the gun. And instead of leaving, he shot the guy with the gun to prove he was bad, you know, and then. that happens.

Yeah. You pull a gun on somebody and you lose? Yeah. You're supposed to be dead. Absolutely. Like if you got the gun and the person that doesn't have the gun ends up killing you? Yeah. But he ran.

Yeah. So he could have finally fought self-defense if he had right. Yeah. And it was in Florida. It was, you know. Oh, he definitely would have won in Florida. Staying your ground. Yeah.

But he ran. And then the police were, you know, trying to find them. There were shootouts. It was all kinds of craziness. And so, yeah. my grandmother stole me right? How do you have a relationship with your parents now? Like, how do you, you know, I guess build a bond with your father and your mother, like, I do you?

That bond is strong. Walking around being a bitter bitch will not get you anything but cancer. It will eat you from the inside out. Like, we always, we get so self-righteous and we get, you, I can't believe you did. Then look back at all the shit you did in your life. My mom had me when she was a teenager and she was coping circumstances that I would never know how to cope with the things that happened to her. She did the best that she could.

And I've had more great years with her than bad ones. And I'd be remiss if I walked around penalizing my mother for the mistakes that she made. Can I ask you a question? Why is it that Latin women always believe the Latin man will be faithful? I've never heard. Latino men don't cheat. Black men don't cheat? Yes.

Latino men turn a volume down on that shit. After Latino men don't cheat. because they got bad you're about you're about to win the whole dominion every couple Colobia's about to have them all in two languages

Afro Latinos like I like that other Duvall song Living my best life But real talk It's like It is almost comical the amount of adultery in Latino culture

It's accepted. It's accepted. Like people and a lot of Latinos are going to get mad at me and say that's not true. But the reality of it is that it's accepted in our culture. You get used to it. You turn a blind eye. Mommy's at home cooking.

We don't know where poppy is. When I remember being my stepfather and I, we were having dinner. I used to have dinner with him every night. He told me, he said, do not concern yourself with the business of men. Men are not naturally monogamous. He's like, if a man is monogamous with you,

that means he's trying his best and he's fighting his nature. And I remember saying, well, does that mean you cheat? And then he was like, eat your food and shut the fuck up. That's right. But nobody told you to be giving out. Didn't I just tell you, don't concern yourself?

By the way, I don't believe that. I used to believe that. And you know what? That thought that you can't be monogamous is what makes you not be monogamous. But when you... You picked an easy time. You're 40.

It doesn't matter. I mean, you ain't monogamous at 24. It doesn't matter. Why? You worry about semantics. You got three sperm in your balls. You could be faithful. It's easy.

I'll be on that seymoc and that mail balance. That seamoss and that mail balance have you like this at all times. Someone wants a boy. One time for Dr. Saving. Some of boys. I got some C-Moss ice cubes in my freezer. Wait, real? Ice cubes?

Really? Yeah, I made them. Wow. I ordered it. It came. I cleaned it. I blended it. I put them in the...

What did they do for women? You just put them... They help your hair grow. It helps your hair grow. It's good for your skin. Also for the libido, your digestion. Seamoss is amazing. I think Seamoss is amazing.

I just feel like, honestly, I've never felt better being faithful. I think that that's a matter of wholeness and being secure. Very much so. Yeah. Because I think when you, I'm sorry. No, if you need a bunch of motherfuckers to make you feel like, I watched, I used to open for Corey. So I watched Corey's episode where he talks about, we always argue about this. It actually manifests itself on stage when I work with him

because he's like, look at all this. Oh, goofy-ass things. The dude, you know, the whole, you think a dude is going to be faithful. And he's like, and it's like, Corey, the first thing I said to Corey when we got into an argument was, who hurts you? Word. Right? Who did it? Like, who hurt you?

But thank God, because some jokes, slap. It's slap. Slat. We need that. Whoever hurt him, God bless. Yeah, because that dude is funny. He's the voice of a lot of men. Yeah.

And, you know, and then women get celebrated for accepting that. Oh, my girl cool with that. She knows that that's who I am. And they're like, yeah, that's a ride-of-die-bitch with the one whose ovaries are falling out because the bitch got syphilis. That's the thing that pisses me off. You know, it's like she's a rider-a-d bitch. All the way till she dies from one of the fucking STDs you gave her.

You can't get STDs from cheating, though. Oh. What are you talking about? She didn't know that? That's true. Yeah, cheating, you don't get us, TDs. You get that from, yeah. I agree with you, though, I feel like, you know, it's just some security.

I didn't think about it yet. It's like, it's an ego boo. You know what I'm saying? Like, guys cheat just to boost their motherfucking ego. Like, that's it. Because all I'm really just fucking you to tell my boys. And so my boys can give me a pat on the back and be like, whir, you hit that? Exactly.

Just keeping it to myself, don't do nothing for me. That's why shadow being in someone is bad for the relationship. Why? Because I can't get these likes. I'm going to go get this. Pussy? That's why you never block people. Word up.

Had me broken up. But that's why you never block somebody that you either was fucking and now you want to stun on. You don't block them. You let them see you motherfucking shining, bro. Because when you block them,

they get angry and then they got the homies putting whack shit on your wife's page. And you start one of them Kevin Durant accounts and be looking at you from the other side. Yes. Yes.

So did you do anything to, like, I guess, get refocused, like you was human being after going through all of that type of stuff. Like, when did you become whole? I'm still working on it.

You know, this is a day and age of self-righteousness. Like, I love people who are always really good at pointing out what everybody does wrong. As people of color, we always talking about racist people. We've been taught so much shit within ourselves. Like, I remember, like, my grandmother was like, she didn't fuck with white people because she got holes in the civil rights movement. And she'd be like, you know, in Spanish, you know, they smell like dogs and you stay away from them or or I remember like being told that stuff about Asian people like so I I just pride

myself in just being a work in progress as opposed to sitting around as a comedian I can't afford to be self-righteous because they're going to come from me at any day I know I've said so funny like self-righteous humor is not yeah it is and that's what I say about conservatives because we get in when I do these panels with conservative comics they're not funny like they're so self-righteous that they forget to be funny and it's like I go to therapy. Me too. I've been in therapy and, you know, my family would be like, you don't need therapy. That's for crazy people.

I'm like, bitch, we are the crazy people. Like, what are you talking about? I've worked really, I left the church because I grew up seventh day Adventist and it's a lot of days. It's very, very similar to Jews. You know, they keep the Sabbath. They turn the lights off on Friday. I know you think I'm Jewish, but I'm not. Okay.

Well, you said you were earlier. No, I didn't. we were just talking about Jewish things My bad you can't be Jewish You were talking bad about them Um Whoa

He's not allowed to self-hate You better push back on that one I'm trans Jewish And uh You don't let that one hang out now What? Talking about who That never happened

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Nicotine is an addictive chemical. It is not for sale for minors. Back to the show. Jha, Bossip. Tars with me. Oh, someone wants to smoke. Smoke. El Umo.

El Umo. El Umo. Sleeping around with some Latin I speak Spanish. No, I know. Your pronunciation is perfect. I used to live in Spain. But those are not Latinos.

That's very true. That's the mother of patria. Those are Europeans. Never forget it. Those are our colonizes. That's right. They gave you that Spanish. That was a gift.

And I know, it was a gift. And I know you're going to get to gossip. But what I think is hilarious is that the pronunciating do that comes from a speech impediment that a king had. The king had, yeah. And to honor them. They kept it.

They kept it. So they pronounced their C's and Z's as a th. Right. Right. So like instead of zebra, febara. That tebara. Right. But then they make fun of us because we don't do it.

So we speak the inferior Spanish. Right. Because you don't have a speech impediment. But how dope was it back in the day when you were a king? Like you spoke weird and then you're like, that's how we all speak. This is now. Imagine if he had Tourette's. Oh, man.

That's Italians. That would. That would. Fuck you, stupid motherfucker. That's perfect. Real talk. It is a fascinating story, right? And like, Spanish is super interesting that way,

like how certain things just don't exist in Latino culture, like the, like the vo-sotros? Like, you guys don't, you guys use UstSteres, right? Usses. Yeah, Vosotros is very, it's very proper. No, no, steves is proper. Vosotros is the two, but for plural. Yeah, no, no.

But it's like an unused, it's like an unused tense. In Spain, right, when I was learning Spanish, if I was speaking to you guys, I'd be like, Vosotros estais, right? But here I'd be like, Ustés'Stan, right? But in Spain, I would only use UstS if it was like,

you know, you guys were adults or older people. Yeah, I took Spanish for like four years, like through high school. And as our teacher pretty much told us, like, two is formal, Ustez is, I mean, Two is informal. Ustead is formal. Right.

And for socho, you're never going to use. I don't know why they bother to teach us. Yeah. It's like an extra chapter of the test. For no reason. It's like, it's already confusing.

Yeah, no, she did that shit out the first day. Like, we're not even going to, don't even worry about that. Like, we're not going to. It's funny because some people say boss, and we don't use that. That's the Colombians.

The Colombians. And it's only from certain regions in Colombia. Like, if you're from Kali, they use the boss. And I think, Argentine people, too. Yeah, they do. Well, they speak very Spanish.

They swear they're Europeans. You can't tell Argentine person. They all tell you about their Italian blood. It's like, yo, this is the funniest shit. Dude, Latin is so funny, man. They will tell you exactly the fucking white place their family's from.

They got no clue where the native roots are. Pure Castilian blood. It's a small neighborhood outside of Barcelona. They're like, yeah, but why are you brown? Some Indian or something. I don't know where they're from. The indigenous people, like, that's an insult. to some of them.

Indio, right? Indio. It's really, like, we got it bad, too. Like, it's the colorism and the self-hate is unbelievable. But that's what was so funny to me when the Afro-Latino thing started popping. And I was like, what? All of a sudden? Mm-hmm.

Like, did nobody tell Sammy Sosa? All of a sudden, that's the self-hate king, but all of a sudden, Lazo Lanzo started speaking Spanish. That's a little bit. Who's that? Who's that? The actors? He's an actor. He was in the Fast and the Furious.

Yeah. Which one was he? Um, yeah, he was in, uh, was he in, he was he his best man? No, Lazalanzo wasn't. Oh, he just did, did he just move through the movie with Taraji? The green muscle car. Yeah. I don't know.

Oh, I don't know. Oh, you're right. But he was on BET. He was, um, the teen thing. Oh, in Amazon. I haven't seen it. Yes, that's his mission. Okay, so Bossip, right?

Yeah. Let me ask you a question. Right now, we live in. the epitome of the click culture, the clickbait culture. Right. Right. So, and don't get me wrong. I put out videos on YouTube.

And I know the difference of a catchy YouTube title and a catchy thumbnail and a boring YouTube title and boring thumbnail. And the difference is literally millions of views. Absolutely. Now, I refuse to clickbait, but I understand the title has to be sexy enough. First of all, let's define clickbait. Yes. That word turned into just some shit that people say when they see a headline that has grabbed their attention and they feel bad for it grabbing their attention or something. I consider clickbait something that isn't accurate.

In other words. That's what he's supposed to. Right. To me, that's the standard definition. This is the worst version is it is, does Brad Pitt have AIDS? Right. And then the article starts, turns out Brad Pitt doesn't have AIDS. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? So, like, do you feel now that you're operating? in this world, do you feel like, are you in control of the headline? And when you're creating the headline and you know how important that is to get people to read, is there part of you that's like, should I embellish a little bit? Should I mislead in order to get these clicks? Where do you draw the line with that?

I've never felt the need to embellish to the point of misleading or lying or putting some kind of fact in there that isn't true just to get people to click. The whole thing with Bossip is that we have, we write unique headlines that embellished, but not in, we embellished for like, performance sake for effect. vocabulary words, alliteration and like that. Was it Bossop the stuff that like was getting all these retweets because the, they were like almost poetic? Yeah, yeah. We write bar. Oh, dude.

That's like, that's how we get down. It's not about lies and like trying to come up with some crazy. It was like you were reading the person in the in the Twitter title. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we have to flame you, we're going to flame you in poetic ways and ways that rhyme.

It's going to be like some, some like hood, Dr. Sue shit where you're going to get this work. But it's also going to be to the point of if you fucked up, you said some dumb shit, that's how you ended up here. Now, when you're when you're operating with a media company, is there. a narrative that the media company likes to keep. That's part one of the question. Then there's a part two that's follow up. You mean like an agenda? Yes.

No. Well, not on our end. Maybe other sites. You could write whatever article and have whatever opinion about whatever you want. And there wouldn't be an editor who's like, hey, listen, this is BASIP. We like to think this way. Yeah, no.

The only thing that will, there'll be people that we won't talk about because we're on by Radio 1 now. So we got we got they did a merger like two years ago Before that we were just a mom and pop shop We were doing whatever we wanted to But it was a big mom and pop shop Popin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like a big mom and pop shop

And they did the merger with Radio 1 So now the thing is if we have people on the radio one side That have been banned from the station Let's say somebody gets banned from the radio station From all Radio 1 stations We can't talk about that person on BASA Because now we're part of that regime So we won't even mention

and we won't even do stories where there's a problem. Great. But there's not a political narrative. There's not a political narrative. Like how Nikki is talking about, like there's this agenda to bring me down and Nikki Hait Train. Like there's no, on our side,

there's no Nicki Hait Train. It's just if you do something crazy or say something crazy or you just generally look, and however you look doing what you're doing, we're going to talk about it. But there's no, like, we don't have a grudge against any. I don't think anybody on staff cares enough to have a grudge. Like, you're trying to write jokes and put up these stories,

get these clicks, get paid, and then go home. I don't use my real brain to do this. You know what I'm saying? Like, my actual real brain, I don't use that for Kim Kardashian. Right. Right. Reality star who's sucking off somebody in an alleyway. Like, I don't care.

I just, I look at it like comedy writing or like late night writing, right? Right. Like, there's a subject. Somebody needs a monologue. We're going to give you these little lines and we're going to go about our business. But it's not, there's no passion behind it. Right. To me, it's just, can I be funny?

Can I be witty? So the narrative of the objective is humor. Humor. Yeah, that's good for us. It's about it. If you're going to talk about it, just be fucking funny. That's it. Don't be too crazy political.

Other sites might go for like a more salacious angle or like who did this. Oh, we saw somebody. Now obviously if something credible comes across our desk and we can like at least vouch for it in some kind of way, we'll throw it out there. Right. But that's not really our angles. I'm just curious as these like as these blogs that like you said are mom and pop shops as they've kind of replaced, like, traditional media? How old are you?

I'm 38. So you're 38. 41. 41. I'm 35. We grew up with traditional media. CNN, Fox News, you know, like the fucking regular late night news show that was on your local news. And in our lifetime, we've seen news completely shift to Twitter accounts.

It's opinion base. People will say, such and such died. and then he'd be like, well, let me go to TMZ and then we'll see if it actually happened that way. Even Michael Jackson, because remember Perez Hilton reported that Michael Jackson died when he hadn't died and they creamed them. They creamed them. But it's like

TMZ is the reputable source. Nobody says I'm going to go to ABC to see if it's... Never. No, it's TMC now. Never. And so it's like, so now there's a time where anytime you have influence in media or influence in the world, Right?

You have a responsibility, and that responsibility is usually dictated on, like, what you believe is right or wrong. Right. The people at Fox believe they're right. They truly believe that's the best case scenario for the country. The people at CNN and MSC, they also believe that. They're not going, I'm a diabolical mastermind. They truly, both of them. Well, Roger Ailes was a diabolical mastermind.

Maybe some of the other people on Fox, individuals may be. The pawns. The pawns. The pawns. The pawns are drinking the Kool-Aid. Tucker Carlson really believes that bullshit. he be saying? All of them have drank the Kool-Aid.

Now, the puppet masters, they know. They know exactly what it's going on. There's a higher game they're playing. They have some independent thinkers there, like Shep Crawford is. He's the only one of them. I'm not knocking either one. I'm not knocking either. I guess, and a lot of times what happens is like a certain person at that network

doesn't believe in everything the network post, but that network aligns more to their beliefs than the other side. Similar to when we vote. Like none of us believe every single day. A Maine Kelly pops over to NBC and it was like, yeah, this is reasonable. But she also swapped over there because nobody believed that shit. Like, yo, bitch, we know who you are. Right.

Like we thought, right? Oh, yeah. But now you're going to see a thing happen where when like a bossop or when these blogs get enough influence in the space, they're going to start going, well, shit, well, how do we feel about hot button topic, trans? How do we feel about this? How do we feel about abortion? How do we feel about these things? And what inevitably happens is you start taking a fucking stance in a narrative forms,

organically. It's going to happen in our life day. You're going to be a balsop and they're going to be like, well, what do you think you should do about immigration? You're like, shit. I just got some jokes about it. Can I get some oranges? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Well, I say this, to that stand, like, we make sure that because we're not out to, like, be that salacious or to even, like, go toward the offensive part of journalism. Like we're going to be now times have changed, right? So we're conditioned to be non-offensive toward LGBT communities. Not that we would be anyway, but I'm saying that's like the social standard now. Right. It's that we don't say certain things. We don't do certain things. We allow people to if you're trans, if you're whatever.

So we're not going to make those jokes. We might make jokes about something that XYZ person did. but it's not going to be jokes. We're not going to do... You don't care about the community. You care about the action. Excuse me, a single action. In other words, like, you don't care to make statements about communities.

You care to talk about specific behavior that a person. This guy was called on the highway, mooning somebody. Whatever it is. Here's the thing about that. We're not doing, like, even with the Caitlin Jenner thing, like, yeah, there was a million jokes you can make about Caitlin Jenner that people made when she finally came out as Caitlin Jenner. but for the most part we just played it straight. Now, we might find ways to, like, if we can find a creative way to poke at Bruce

or poke at the former Bruce or whatever it is, then that's cool. Like, we're going to, we might do that, but it's not the artist formerly noticed Bruce. You know, by the way, Bruce is a good example. And the reason Caitlin's not a good example is because nobody cares. Like, you can clown Caitlin all day and, like, nobody will get a face. Well, nobody cares now.

Because they don't really like the Kardashian-Gener clan. Well, but before she came out as Trump heavy, I think they cared a little bit. Boom, that's part of it too. Now when you're going on as Trump, now you lose all, like, empathy. You don't really get empathy no more. And she's homophobic, ain't she? Exactly. She's a conservative.

That's not a good example. She's straight upset. She doesn't believe in gay or something. I don't know what y'all talking about, but that's not a good example. I did a joke about her on her. No, but listen, I did a joke about her on the Young Turks, and I said that Chris Jenner is a pimp. Like, we keep demonizing all of them.

and I said she's, she made vagina so lucrative in that household, she made Bruce Jenner want to go get one. Yeah. And all these trans people started sending me messages saying, this is the language that gets trans people killed. And it makes me stronger. But it's like, it's always like when you put, you say, you, you tweet something ignorant, like they come for you.

Right. But then they'll go, you know, support their local police department. You know what I mean? Right. No, but the argument is this is like, Hold on, what is the conversation before I get in trouble? What are we talking about? We're talking about bossip and headlines and the things that we write

and whether there's agendas and political agendas and writing certain stories and taking angles on certain things. We're talking about how media has shifted, right? Like, you used to have these big media companies, CNN, Fox News, all that, and they have agendas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now you have blogs that have gained massive influence in the news space. And I'm asking and curious if they're going to start having an agenda organically.

They've been having an agenda. Ooh. Ooh, an outside source has a hot take on BOSIP. They've been at agenda. Their agenda is traffic. And that's where we start this conversation. Agenda is traffic. But often it's easier to get traffic if you know a direction in which cars are going.

Right? I put clickbait headlines on what cost. And the reason I think clickbait headlines are so dangerous because nobody actually reads the article. You just believe what you believe the headline. Like I'm getting sent a bunch of stuff now from the Jay-Z Roger Goodell press conference. and I was there. And what are they saying? So I know these headlines.

Charlaman comes out as gay. No, I would never do that there. Joe, that's what you should have done. Take a knee and start sucking Roger Goodell's dick. We don't do that with Bill. We don't do that with Jay Day and Goodell? This is how you take a knee, Cap. Oh, wow.

Cap going to beat you up. He's been training. Five days a week. But I was there. So it's just like I know what the clickbait headlines from those, from that press conference is. I'm like, that's not what happened. Right.

Out of context. Like, he didn't say it. But whatever. Bro, that's why I don't, I don't tweet or Instagram anything about politics because it's so easy to get taken out of context. The only time that I'll talk about anything, I'll be, obviously, if it's not a joke, obviously I post all my jokes and shit on there, but that's curated material. So you know there's a purpose for it.

But you know, remember back and day when we would have political discussions on Twitter? Oh, yes. Like, you're going back and forth. And one of your things back and forth could be cool. Crazy. Yeah. If you don't know what's on the other end of that. Boom.

But on a podcast, you could hear this whole conversation. Yeah, I agree with you. I think I do talk about political stuff because a lot of my humor is based in that. But it's just political, it's politics from my point of view. But that stand-up, you should. I'm talking about Twitter, though. Yeah, I do it on Twitter. But I'm very like, I'm not, I'm not a political expert.

I'm a stand-up comedian. So don't hold me. Don't be judging me to AOC. Now, that's different, but you do go on the Young Turks, though. So when you're on the Young Turks, they look at you as a political opponent, so they kind of do look at you as a political punch. Yeah, but I'm giving, I'm still, I'm very clear about that. I'm speaking about things from my point of view.

This is not me saying this is the way, this is the law. This is according to these statistics, I'm like, according, from the way I see it, this, and I'm very clear about that. So that's why I don't let people bully me and I don't apologize. I'm not apologizing. If I hurt your feelings, then go to therapy like I do. because I'm not here. This is my point of view.

I'm not an expert. I'm a stand-up comedian. I have a point of view about issues and I want to talk about it. Why do we care about people's feelings? No, but I think those are the best POVs. The best POVs to me are from the people who aren't the experts who are,

you know, you watch Fox all day, you watch MSNBC all day, CNN all day. Those are people who get paid to have that POV. What about the regular, everyday person who's going through it, who's been through it? I want to know what they think about this situation. And that's why I feel like people respond to me on the Young Turks

because I'm like, like, I was homeless, this happened to me, this is happening to me. According to me, the way I see it, immigration is this, this, this. I'm not, I don't care about your statistics. I will talk about the things that I talk about because I think that that you listen to the view. It's a bunch of bitches with red bottoms on and burking bags. Tell them all about this. Who ain't got there. Yeah, but you know what I mean.

Yeah. Your souls might be wrecked. She might have her feet out. Her feet look like a whole foot out probably underneath that day. Her feet look like Obama's shoe. But the thing is they get on, and I know, you know, like when I say, when I speak in just because that's how I talk. But I see them and then you got Megan McCain, you got these women that make these amazing salaries, telling people who don't have their light bill money, people who work at towel mills while they got their dog waiting in the car that has.

his own nanny, this is how life is. This is what it should be all over the, and people are tired of that. And they're disconnected, and I agree with you. And not only that, they didn't, by the way, I don't know their backgrounds. I don't want to go ahead and say this, but some people just didn't live it.

Oh, yeah. If you lived it, if you was, I grew up in a single wide trail in amongst corner South Carolina. When you have that kind of poverty for that long, or you grow up in a rural area, or you go to a jail, whatever it is, those experiences don't leave you at all. I'm going to be in the hood this weekend.

Saturday I'm doing a fish fry at Monks Corner Recreational Complex in Monks Corner South Carolina. I'm doing a big-ass fish-fry backpack giveaway, the same thing I do every year. Like I'm with my, I talk to my people. I'm around my people. So you're out there giving them backpacks and diabetes. Hey, man. It's the South baby.

This is a man of people. It's the South baby. What I'm going to do is it's a fish fry. Fried fish, fried shrimp, French fries. That's going to be a salad. I'll give a little fried pie. A lot of water. Plenty water.

plenty water in a little side shower. You know what? If you go down there with some kale, they will bust you in the head. Exactly. Hello, Cal. That just smells bad. They'd be like,

kale stinks. So 12 to 4 Saturday, meet these Malks Corner recreational complex and Malskona, South Carolina. But to your point about, but to your point about news and, like, the pundits

and people that's paid professionally to do this, I feel like a lot of, a big part of the mainstream media has shifted to more opinion than actual news. Yes. And a lot of that is because, because people do, I think they know that people feel disconnected from some of these talking heads that just seem hearty and above them and more, you know, acting and more intelligent or grandstanding to your earlier point and the self-righteousness and all that shit.

So I feel like a lot of it just moves to opinions and not information. 100%. Bossip ripped Tommy Laren to shreds one time. Oh, we got like a top five. Oh, is that the one I'm referring to? It was like a viral tweet all. of the headline. Yeah, we have a few.

It was hilarious. We have a few Tommy Lauren headlines. Yeah. Five, six, seven, eight thousand retweets. And from a news organization, from an individual is one thing where you might have 50, 60s. But for most news organizations,

you get 8,000, 5,000 retweet. Something is one crazy. Who? No, she's not no more. I don't know why people keep saying that. No, exactly why they go keep saying that. It's a coincidence. She's also going to be a Monks Corner this weekend.

Oh, yeah, right. Getting a drink. I mean a person one time. Yes. That's all it takes. You're right. You're right. It's the same way with dating. If you kick it, Carmelo was on a boat with that lady.

Who knows? That's right. Because black men don't cheat. You see what I'm saying? Friendly little boat ride. Friendly little fucking bull ride. Now I'm cheating on my wife. I wouldn't even buy nothing.

Women, you can't. Who bought her the cupcakes, though? There was you. No, that was chef. That was Chevy. Yeah, that was chef. He was doing too much. I don't even talk to her no more.

You don't? But I don't. I haven't talked during years. I talked to that one time. Give her a call right now. Let's give her a call. I don't know. I've never had a number.

She's not going to give him her number. But isn't she like a flop? Like, didn't the album come out? Is she like Fetty Wild? I'll tell you. I do talk to. I do talk to. No, she's on Fox now.

Yeah, but is she popular. Like, I don't see no more Tommy Lauren viral content going off. You know, Fox is like having a Vegas residency. You know what she's packed everything. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like she's over there packed house every night. She's on.

She's killing. She's killing. We may not fuck with her, but being on Fox is like being a conservative. It's like having a Vegas residency for a conservative. It just seemed like she used to be on my timeline on a regular for saying something, doing something. Candice took her wave.

Yeah. Candice's always took her wave. Because Candice is safer. No, she's not. No, it's a safer bet for conservatives. Because with Tommy, you go, you're racist. But Candice is essentially, remember that guy Milo? Yeah.

Milo was the perfect foyer. Yeah. Whatever the fuck his name was. It was the perfect foil for the liberal movement or whatever it is because the liberal movement a lot of people can say is based on a victim hierarchy. Right. So if you haven't experienced this, don't talk on it. So Milo is out there as a conservative.

A young white gay guy. Gay, Jewish. Oh, is he Jewish too? Only married to a black guy? I think he was claiming everything. Yeah, I think he was doing that on purpose just to try to avoid heat. Of course. But he was the foil, right?

So you couldn't say anything about his opinions on LGBTQ because he wasn't. You couldn't say his opinions about race because his husband is black or whatever. And you couldn't say his opinion about gay because he's gay. So he also got him to fuck out of here, though. Eventually. He was the epitome of self-hate, though. You know what I'm going to say? Him, you know what that is?

You're dragging from the people those communities can drag him. You know what I say? What that is, that's like when you say self-hate, it's like that insecurity. like you've got to ask yourself why you want these people's validation so much. And sometimes sometimes the people that have bullied you the most, the people who have made you feel the most inferior, sometimes their validation is more valuable than your own. You want to change their mind.

That's why so many people love Donald Trump. Ooh, go on that. Because they are, they are trying to identify with upward mobility. They see him as being a self-made man. That's the argument. They don't know economics. They don't really know that he is not the example of a good business, man. Somebody gives you a million dollars and you go bankrupt.

You know, like, they don't. But he is a white man in America that people see. You saw him on The Apprentice. He's not an intellectual elitist. So there you can meet with him. You can connect with him on this level because he's not a member of Mensa. He says dumb shit all the time. I say dumb shit all the time.

He's self-made. I'm self-made. Same reason we love rappers. Same reason you black and you love a rapper from the hood. You're like, oh, that's me. If he can make all that money, I damn show him.

There's hope. He's a Cardi B of white people. He is white. He is white. Cardi B. Yeah. It's like, that's a, that's an American, you know what?

That's fucking, that is poignant. Because Cardi's, what is a dart. Whenever she said something, it didn't matter if the grammar was right. It didn't matter if the spell was right. but it hits you right to your fucking chest, whatever the fuck it was.

And when Trump speaks, it hits. It either pisses you off or makes you happy, but that shit sticks. And there's certain politicians, they're up there fucking blabbering forever about one point. It's like, when I started doing radio, the thing that is always, you know,

I guess made me stand out is I don't know how to do radio. To being that I don't know how to do radio, I just go up there and beat me. Donald Trump goes up there and B's him. So the language of politics is dead. And they haven't realized that yet. You have a profound skill that I don't even know if you realize, but you get from A to B quicker than anybody.

Because I don't know how to get around that shit. Maybe it isn't. But A to B, few people go as fat, meaning a lot of people will skirt around or have a direction or try to get there. A to B. You know why? Two reasons.

People always want to try to sound smarter than they fucking are. Yes. You spend all this time. Fuck all that. And second, I just think people would be scared. Well, plus, let's be. A to B is the politician's worst nightmare. Facts because you have to be honest.

You can't put a good at a sugar and pick the end up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way. At all. That's right. Because you can't protect yourself. You can't leave a little. There's no protection.

There's no plausible deniability. There's no none of that. You know who's good when they go to A to B? But they don't do it. And when they don't try to go to A to B, they fuck up. Joe Biden. Yeah. If Joe Biden would just be who the fuck he is

and just go from A to B instead of using these political talking points and shit he wouldn't even make these gas. He's also trying to be the Donald Trump of the left. But he is. He's not. Bernie is the Donald Trump of the left. No, I've said that the same thing.

Bernie is, I think Joe tries to be when he says things like, when he says audacious stuff like he said what, you know. Poor kids are just as good as white kids or whatever thing is. He's trying to say what white people are thinking, but can't say. He wants to be right. to everybody.

Bernie and he just can't win like that. I'll be honest with Joe Biden's remarks with poor kids and just as bright and just as talented as white kids. Right. Yeah. And all the other stuff about when he When he's like trying to push the line for the liberals And the liberals are like, no.

You just got here. Why was everybody so mad about this line? Because it was, it's, it's, what do you call it? It's tone deaf and it is, it comes, when he said, people said it was racist. I felt that it was elitist. It's like you're saying that poor kids are just as bright, but we all know that poor kids do not have the same resources.

They can't go as far a lot of times. Those of us that get out is because we're the exception. Somebody did something exceptional to get us out of there because that's not the standard. So when you're saying it's just condescending because it's just skipping over all this shit and all the issues that poor kids have by saying, they're just this smart.

but let's just put their smart asses in the fact. And you're removing white people from that. Exactly. And there's a million more white, broke-ass white people than it is ours. Exactly. If I was his campaign staff, that's what I would be mad at, because you got the black people already. We see the black bulls, Joe, you're fucking it up with you poor white, poor white people. How did that, Joe, what do you mean? You didn't judge to go pork kids.

That's the most offensive to white people. Exactly. The reason why we're fenced, because we know the intent of what he meant to say, right? In his brain... He was talking about us. It's right. He's like, poor people are not white and rich people are white.

Now, like you said right now, that's going to piss me off as a poor white and I decide this election, motherfucker. You're telling me I'm a nigga? You're telling me I'm a goddamn nigga? That was you're telling me, Joe? I just want to clarify that was John that said that. Okay?

And I've been really quick after I spoke for those jobs. It's one everybody to know, okay? It was an elite. It was the leader. It was the leader. I was definitely a leader. I was a leader. When I do that fish fry this weekend, it's going to be mad white people out there.

Mad, old white people from rural area. They're going to be coming to free backpacks and coming to get that free food. And do you know how humbling that is? For us whites. Not me, because I'm just standing over them. I know you're loving it. You hold on, hold the backpack a little tight way. You want it?

How bad you want it. Depending on what Trump does for the rest of the week, you might go out there to start. Jump shot and fish. Jump shot and backpack to the white people. Do it by it. Please do it by That's going to be the boss It has Charlamagne jump shoots red snappers

That's going to be the headline right here You got to do it better than he did it in Puerto Rico His risk is terrible He shoot that shit like Lanzo Ball Fuck out of here That shit's terrible Please go live when you do You really think Sanders is the Trump

Yes I think and I thought the last election He probably had the better shot Because Hillary stole it That's why it's because But it was the Matrix But it was the Matrix dude. Right? The ecosystem always balances itself, right? So it's like, regardless of what your poxics are, you could say Neo is Bernie and then you could say Agent Smith or whatever the character is was Trump, but they both were bubbling up and there were the extreme versions of both sides. It's A to B like you said. Hey Bernie, how do you feel about healthcare? We need it. But the price is going to be too high. Pay it! Why are you yelling? Because we need to yell. Right? And you're drawn to him no matter what he says. Because he's like, he's real. He's not talking and. He's not talking and.

this. I went to Mensa. You know how many people get tired of that? That's why I do well on the Young Turks, because I'm sitting next to these people who are talking. That's what they do for a living. And then I'm like, yeah, no, that's not what we want. That's bullshit. You know, like, and I, it's so, it's gotten to the point where now there's an anti-intellectual

movement in this country, right? People are tired of it and they don't realize that it's not people being knowing stuff or being intelligent that you're a game. is them people utilizing that to keep you down. To manipulate you. Don't manipulate me. Simple as that. Just fucking speak to me regular, dude.

And that's the problem. And Malcolm X used to say, I speak in the vernacular so that a homeless man, so that a man on the street can understand what I'm saying. It's like that, that is the important. Trump is our Malcolm X. No. Knock it off. Shut up.

Oh, here's my question. I don't even talk about it. You remember a nutzo? Not so. Above the room. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but here's my question, though.

If Bernie is the Trump of the left, why isn't he taking root the way Trump took root? He did. No, but he hasn't, though, because he would be ahead. But he would be ahead right now if he really had that power. That's because none of his policies are new anymore. But I tell you why, because liberals do not punch people in the face. There we go. Now, we talk about.

We sit around. We think we always trying to take the high road. Pussy. Because we perpetuate. that intellectual movement. Oh, I don't do that kind of stuff. That's beneath me. Meanwhile, the motherfuckers in the red hands

will punch you in your motherfucking face, knock you on the ground, drag you down the street, and go high-five each other. And we're like, oh my God, that is so undignified. Just to clarify, just to clarify, they took that from y'all. I'm independent, right?

But, like, it used to be the liberals that were out there slugging away, doing the fuck what they wanted, not caring what they were, And the conservatives were like, don't use foul language in your music. How could we do that? That is a rated-R film.

That should be NC-17. What are you doing? And then they realized, oh, shit, the game is one in the trenches. We're going to go do the dogfighting, and we're going to see if they could live by their virtues that they talk so much about. And they snatch that shit from y'all, man. The liberals went too far left. The liberals went so far left that the only opinion they care about is the opinion of social media. Like, the social media.

I'm serious, social media is the court of public opinion. If they can't get people to talk about it on social media, they won't even pursue it. Why do you think they want to pursue impeachment? If everybody was really raising hell on social media, like, they'd be on that shit. Yeah, and that's all they're waiting for. The temperature to hit that right,

point so that they can say, all right, the public is behind it. We won't look crazy. But it's very profitable for a lot of people for nuts-o to stay in office. And that's on both sides of the argument. And whether you want to admit that or not, until when they said drain the swamp,

I'm with it. Drain the whole motherfucker's spot. Everybody, everybody, Everybody in the country, this is the thing that nobody wants to admit, everybody in the country is going to make more money if Trump is in office. That's what has happened. For now. For now, right? But, like, we're talking about, like, the liberal, like, elite liberals are making way,

look at your retirement. You're making way more money with Trump in office. And if a Democrat comes in and gets policy in that's going to raise taxes or do certain things that are going to affect the way that your money is going. you're going to feel it. So you're effectively voting to give away some of your money. Now, this is how I vote. Yeah. But not everybody's willing to vote like that.

Listen, I understand what you're saying, but at the end of the day, I think what Trump brings to America isn't worth it. And the reason I think it's not worth it is because... We got scorched earth. What difference does it make you got all the money? If you got people, you know, if everybody's... If this is a civil war,

if everybody's rich, who gives a fuck. You're going to get shot by some red day and him... I don't want that. And by the way, it's not just going to be a civil war between races. It's going to be a civil war between classes. That's what people are not realizing. That's what this is all about. The halves and the half.

I mean, nothing showed that more than Epstein. Oh, man. Like, if you out here and you could affect the halves, you could get got in a fucking jail cell. Just remember. You can get touched. You can get touched. Which is?

That's this old school. That's stuff we hear about, but you don't see. See, that shit in movies. Everybody's like, ah, they're going to kill them. Like, oh shit, they've really killed him. They killed his ass. And I might be the minority in this, but like, is it... You are a minority in here, so am I.

He said we are. We're calling him. I like to be the person throwing out. Well, actually, showed you the minority. Yeah, I was a little bit of wrong. Yeah, show this to minority. Holy shit. That's what happens when you view yourself as a victim all the time.

You don't notice that you actually the one that's the majority. Is it that hard to believe that he could have killed himself? Or is it just that because of the circumstance? it just feels more like she got killed. If he did kill himself... There's no sexual predators do this shit. I can't go to jail. Wait for it.

If he did kill himself, they created a situation without as possible. He was on suicide watch, right? The guard just walked away. The entire time on suicide watch in this detention center, I think in the entire history of the detention center, I think only one person had been able to do it. They had been able to kill himself.

During suicide watch, right? I think only one. So it is quite coincidental. that this happens when there are a lot of people that are potentially you know, in position to benefit. I'm sure somebody whispered in his ear, you can do it or you can get raped, beat up,

and then we can do it. Right. Where do you hang yourself? They did that. You think they did it? You don't think he did it? No. They killed that motherfucker.

They strangled his life out of his. See, that's what I'm saying. That's the part I don't buy it. No, I don't think they killed him. They just gave him no other choice. They did. Yeah, they put him in a situation where it was. They said he tried.

The New York Times article said he tried once. But they also said he has some marks on him. Oh, say that again. They said he had some marks on his. Yeah. And didn't he complain about being attacked in prison? No, no. They tried to kill himself two weeks ago.

Yeah. He tried to kill himself. Your sentence that you just said is exactly what happened. You said, they tried to kill himself. That's what happened. He tried to kill himself a couple weeks ago. They had him on suicide. Then all of a sudden, no more suicide.

The guards went away for a while. But didn't they say he was assaulted and they found him in a fetal position? No, they said, I thought it was a suicide. No, there was another one where he said he was assaulted and they were trying to kill him in prison. Yeah, he was in a case. There's no such thing. Son, what do you mean? Because if they wanted to get him to go home, the first time, man, they did they, they had.

Yeah, I see prison people probably being pretty efficient at like, like, when it's time to die, you're going to die. Oh, my bad. Oh, my father. Oh, shit. Fuck him up. Yeah. No, no, no. No, no.

No. No. No. No. He was going to go either way. Either way. He got got.

Listen, he got got. He knew too much shit. There was a lot of... I started looking into a little bit. You know how much bullshit? Like, I thought this guy was a legit hedge fund manager, right? Oh, me too. I thought he had billions of dollars.

Like, they talked to him out and he's a billionaire, right? Right. The guy managed this fund that only had one public investor, a guy named Les Wexner, right? Who owns Victoria's Secret. Billionaire, right? One public investor. Right.

Les Wexner, his boy, also gave him a $70 million apartment in Manhattan that just so happened to have a lot of digital recording equipment in the apartment. Now, now, what could you... Imagine that. You're throwing parties where you have people of importance that are banging teenage girls, and it just so happens that you have secret recording equipment in this apartment that was given to you. Now, to me, that smells like you might want to have a little dirt on people in positions of power so that they could do things that you want them to do. I knew he was done. When I saw his picture and he looked like Ron Perlman, I said, this is a hellboy right now.

Yeah, dude, it's over. Because he was so like, you know, and you're hearty, like a hearty dude, you know what I mean? And when you saw, you could see it in his face. that it was, the clock started ticking. Did you see this picture? What's that? Donald Trump, Larry Epstein and a goddamn 13. Jeffrey Epstein.

What is it? Oh, man. That's real? Michael Rappaport posted that shit. Yeah, it's a dog. Yeah. That's his daughter. That's his daughter.

That's his daughter. It is. Yeah, he's keeping. See, this is why the internet gets me every fucking time, man. That's the shit I'd be talking about. But, but... I'm like, what the fuck? That should still be disturbing.

I'm going to say, but let's be clear. That's a creepy. The way he'd be kissing on Ivanka is creepy and shit. You know this dude is a pedophile. Oh, my God. How would you bring him around you, well, the thing that was interesting about Trump, right? Like, so, and Clinton, right?

So one of the girls that was apparently one of the sex slaves came out. And she said in like the deposition or whatever the fuck it was is that Trump, uh, Trump, Clinton, and one other person were never involved in any of the sexual acts. I forget the other person that was made. Shit. That ain't with that transcripts trade. That transcript said Epstein and Trump was arguing over who to take a 13-year-old girl's virginity. Yeah.

No, no, no. I'm just saying what the girl who was the sex slave said. That's all I can say. I forget the other person. And even that is convenient, if you ask me. What you mean? That she said that. Oh, just so happens that the one voice that we let are heard, all these sex slaves, but there's one.

And she just happens to say the ex-president who's in bed with all these people that are being accused, the current president. Who's in bed with all these people are being accused, didn't do anything. But all these other people. I mean, you can't trust anything no more, bro. It's so many setups. I saw that, I mean, from the presidents to, you know, and I'm not saying all this stuff is set up. I'm just saying everything is so convenient.

The Kavanaugh stuff was so convenient. You know what I'm saying? You see Cuomo and Don Lemon get ran up on this week. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that Don Lemon's shit was hilarious. I didn't see John Lemmon's get... He didn't get run up on. He's getting accused of sexual assault.

Oh. Son, you didn't hear what they said he did? they said he put his hand down his pants rubbed up on his pubes and balls no not just rubbed rubbed vigorously got a little warm got it warmed up and then took his fingers put it on his mustache and put it on this other dude's mustache

and he goes you like dick or pussy that doesn't sound like sexual harassment that sounds like a white boy fraternity that is that white boy fun Delta Delta Delta Delta Delta Delta Delta Delta whatever the fuck like a The same guy, they said, walked up to Don in the bar and asked Don to buy him a drink. So let me buy you a lemon drop.

That's a fact. That was really in the transcript. So that sounds like flirt. That's a bar. I'm not going to lie. That's a bar right there. A lemon drop? Here's the thing, though.

Nobody cares. We don't care about mail on mail. Nobody gives a fuck. Like, you're the same thing with the Katie Perry. She said Katie Perry walked up to the guy and pulled his pants and pulled him out. Then a bunch of guys came and looked down and threw his dick like, eh, yeah. Nobody cares, bro. And you know what?

If he took Katie Perry's hand and put it on. his dick in that moment, he would be the asshole. Yes. Absolutely Kevin Spacey, though. Kevin Spacey, they got him. They got him. They got him for... Kevin was doing a multitude of things, though.

Kevin was he doing little boys. They said he was a... They said he is a... He was a serial sexual assault. Yeah, he would try to fuck dudes, but they were of age. No. No, the kid was 18. Look at the thing, and they dropped the charges.

He was a little boy. He was 18. Look at the thing. And dropped the charges. They said he was just notorious. He pissed somebody off because you know it's a bunch of them running around Hollywood. So when somebody goes down like that, it's like, who did he piss off?

And I wonder why only Katie Perry is the person that's considered the person who should be in trouble. Because if you open up somebody's pants and then people come to look around, what the fuck is wrong with all of y'all looking around? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And who stands there? Who stands there? Who stands there? That's a 114-pound white guy.

I'm sorry. That sounds like you're victim blaming. That's really what that's right. I know. I have to be fair. Was he dressed a certain way, Ida? Was he wearing a pair of shorts? You know what?

He shouldn't wore something with elastic. Yeah. How dare you? We're stretchy shorts. Listen, if most crimes committed in the world and most of our social ills were not connected to dick and testosterone, I could see your argument. But I don't, I don't, I'm so sorry when I hear that. Yeah.

But when you need your lug, down from the overhead bin what you say you're asking some estrogen now you're right you're six five like six five I'm like fuck all y'all I get I get you know shit out that's you got a little man I'd be like you know what man you don't have to me if a girl takes my luggage down we might have to argue at least bro that's at least an argument pro do not fuck list because I don't get my own luggage I don't need nobody I don't want to owe anybody shit because when you pay with pussy, you cry at the end of the line that.

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Drive sober or get pulled over. Love the rhyming. Love the rhyming. And we're back to the show. What do we think of Jay-Z's Rock Nation reaching agreement with the NFL to lead the league's entertainment endeavors? Ida. I think that if we're going to be mad about Jay-Z on Twitter and Instagram,

Instagram about making a business move that could potentially help and employ a lot of people of color. And it's going to be a movement to help us move forward. If you are prepared to protest him on Twitter and Instagram and cancel him, I would like to see your bank statements and to see where you're putting all the money into all of the people who are currently making profit out of your oppression. That's what I have to say about it. What do you think, Jha? I mean, the thing I don't understand for people who are mad from what I could tell Cap wants to play football.

If an NFL football team call him tomorrow I just found out what John looks like. Here it goes. John? I've heard a lot of them so go ahead. Give me to you. You look like all the characters of Atlanta together. Oh my God. Continue paper. Paper Earl. Paper Earl.

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There you go. Positive message. Continue. Go on, going, going, go on, go on. No, as far as I know, Cap wants to play football again. So I don't understand why it's wrong for Jay-Z. If Cap is the reason we are here, we're all woke to this situation. He still wants to work with the NFL.

He took the payoff or whatever the settlement. It wasn't a payoff. It was two years back pay. Okay, right. So if he wants to play football, football still. What's the problem with Ho's working with? That is brilliant. I don't understand. So if Cap came back in the league,

all you would do is buy Cap's and be happy for him. No one would be like, oh, Cap, why are you doing this? So, Cap, you're the only one that could work with the NFL? Like, I don't understand. Brilliant, that's common sense. I didn't put it that way. Like, I didn't realize. That's the first thing I thought about when I saw an outrage. I was like, wait, y'all are mad, but Cap, just put out the video a month or a week ago.

Training. Begging to be back in the NFL. I want to play football. I busts all that. What's the problem with him? I don't get it. I see both sides. Wow.

I see both sides. Eric Reed is in the NFL. He protests against the NFL. Kenny Still is in the NFL. He protests against the NFL. I really don't see the difference. They want to work with the NFL. They work with the NFL.

Jay's working with the NFL. Now, I think it's two different things we're dealing with here. One, we're dealing with the fact that Colin Kaepernick's protest absolutely worked because he raised awareness for police brutality in a way that we haven't seen before. That might have been one of the most effective protests that we've seen in a long time in this country, right? So now that the awareness has been raised,

what's the next step after awareness? Action. Yeah. So this is Hoves' way of taking action. Simple as that. And if it can benefit thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people through community initiatives,

I don't see what the problem is. Now, do I want Colin Kaepernick to have a job? Absolutely. But I have loved Jay Z to, you know, I don't know, negotiate something the way, look, I won't do this unless y'all get Colin back in the league. That's stupid. I mean, I don't. That's stupid. Listen, I...

You play in the NFL if you're good enough. There's a reason why Eric Reed is playing in the NFL. There's a real like, Kenny Stills are playing the NFL because they're good. You got to tell me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Colin Calvin. Oh, Ryan Fitzpatrick is way better than Colin Cap. No, no, no. Like, not even in the same league. He's a way better quarterback.

100%. He can still ball, though. Colin Kaepernick He can still a ball He could be a... I'm not saying he should be starting He's never going to start. Let me ask you question.

What money did he say that he was worth a year? He said he won 20 million a year. I don't even know. That's what he said. I want to... I don't know. We won a 20 million a year. Now, do you guys think he's a 20 million a year quarter million?

No, absolutely not. So if he wants... He's saying that's what it takes for me to play and you guys don't think so. So definitely NFL teams are... Don't think so. Then that's why you're not playing. I've never heard him saying.

number. I just know that he's always said they're denying me an opportunity. Now, Roger Goodell said today, any team can sign Colin Kaepernick, if they want to sign Colin Kaepernick. He said any team is free to sign him right now. It's easy to say that. Oh, he has to say that. He don't know. He don't got to say shit. No, he does. Because if not,

it confirms collusion, if not. It confirms collusion. Oh, okay. And that's the whole argument for Cap was that the teams were colluding. All of y'all know, y'all not going to hire me. You all talked about this shit. Yeah. Period.

Well, the NFL's fucking up because it's a good partnership with Jay-Z, but the greatest PR move that they could absolutely pull is the signed Colin cabinet. For sure. Like, this shit would make everything go away. Yeah, we'll change the whole perception. And all of these activists, these Twitter activists, will go back to their day. And I think you've got to infiltrate the systems because we want to make change. We're not making the change from the outside.

We need our people in there to flip the table over. The NFL is not going to change if everybody in the NFL thinks the same way. We need somebody to get in there and infiltrate. And I think Jay-Z is really good at that. The plot of every superhero movie, right? We watch these superhero movies nonstop. What is Cap, what is the, we don't want to talk about Cap? Talk about Captain America.

Hydra infiltrates. Mm-hmm. Cheal. Right? They infiltrate every aspect of culture. They infiltrate every aspect of government. And they flip it to bad things from the inside out. because that's the only way to make change.

Here you have Jay-Z in a position, not even at the bottom, at the top, and people are upset about it. This is how change works. Here's my problem. I don't think nobody's wrong. Like, I don't think what Colin Kaepernick is doing is wrong. I don't think what Jay-Z is doing is wrong.

On a personal note, yes, I want Colin Kaepernick to be in the league. But I like the fact that Jay-Z is trying to change things from the inside out. And I like the fact that Colin Kaepernick is still out here making motherfuckers kneel. That's right. I think throughout history you've had engaged. ages and you've had resistors and you need both. Please watch King in the Wilderness. It's a document on Martin Luther King, Jr.

It's a part of the documentary where Lyndon B. Johnson is on the phone with Martin Luther King, Jr. Martin Luther King Jr. flew to watch California because there was rides going on and watch, and Lyndon is like, what's going on out there? And Martin Luther King's explaining to him, like, look, yes, we did the Civil Rights Act. I think we did the Voting Rights Act, but it requires more than that to stop this civil unrest. because that's when he was making his play to get the poor people's campaign and to get the money.

But the fact that Lindy B. Johnson was on the phone with him calling this guy to say, what can we do? You need people that are in with those type of people to make real motherfucking legislation and change happen. People celebrating Colin Kaepernick for his Nike deal. There were people on the other side of that argument saying, do you think Nike doesn't support white people's depressing? They're making the NFL jerseys. They're a sponsor of the NFL.

Right. And they have the sweatshaping. shops and they have people were like a way to go Colin you're such an activist you got a million from corporate America which we know corporations run this country but at the same time those of us who support Colin Kaepernick were like he's infiltrating the system well that's the thing just apply to you it applies to we we we Jay Z has a track record where we've seen in the last few years that his activism is real and that's my eye do you hit it on the head it comes from a good place but who has cash Y'all. That's what I want to know. Yeah. Because it seems like any time a black person does something that a group of black people don't agree with,

they get canceled and crucified and they sell out. Who has cash aid? Well, the thing about it is that I think when it comes to these social change things, it's the same fundamental split that's been since Malcolm and Martin and what everybody else. The difference between people that feel like you can change from the inside and the people who are vehemently against that. And I feel like until that schism comes together is going to be this thing. with every thing, like every black person,

anyone who's trying to make a change, if you try to go inside the system, there's going to be people saying, you sold out, and now you part of them, you're a suit, and the people on the ground, and the people inside are going to say, well, what the hell are you going to do out on the street?

That's all they did the model of the key. But a sellout is a sellout. It doesn't matter if you're inside or you're outside. But we cannot, we have to be realistic about economics and what our condition is right now. And the truth is that you cannot, we cannot do it outside. We've been asked to run a race.

where if they've had a head start, they tied our leg and our hand behind our back, they ran 17 laps and said, now catch up. There's no way to catch up other than infiltrating the system and economically flipping the table over. We have to stop deluding ourselves that we're going to march our way into equality and justice and equity. That's not going to have to be. You know who loves the marches?

Those corporations fucking you over. They love it. They love that. They love it. You know what they hate is when everybody at that March puts all their money in the same situation. I hate when everybody in that much boycotts whatever the fuck they do. We do it. You see what happened with Bank of America.

They pulled out of the prisons. You know why? Because people made a statement with their money. They pulled out of the bank and they said, we're going to take our bank accounts. And they said, we are no longer getting involved in this private prison thing. You're right. This is a capitalist country. You got to hit them where it hurts.

You can either use your money to help or you can use your money to hurt. And you can cry about Jay Z on Twitter. You know what we got to do? We got to stop. The problem is outrage is a currency, right? So like if you get popping off an outrage, right, you're going to continue to be outraged for the attention that you seek. And when you have a situation where somebody is doing something, let's say, progressive, like what Jay-Z is doing. you're not going to get retweets by going

Jay Z's the man, right? Because that doesn't feed the outrage matrix. You got to find a way to shit on it because that's going to get all the woke people to be like, oh shit, he's woken than I am. I got to be this woke. You need it. Hey.

They got people out. They hire people to stir up the trouble starters. They hire those people. You think you out there marching with them? Coinetell pro. Yes. Yeah. You think that, you think, you don't have cybercointel pro on fucking social media?

Just made it easier. What? Wait, I can be anonymous. I can do all this shit. They think of a great tweet about why Jayze is a sell out for doing this. And then people start retweet it and then they just back the fuck off. Yo, how about we wait and see? Because we don't know what's going to happen from this, right?

Because, you know, when I was in that press conference, I was pushing the line on Roger Goodell. You know what I'm saying? And pushing the line on over. Like, lo, how do you partner with this? How do you partner with the NFL have a social justice, initiative when they are denying the person who actually protested against social injustice a job, right? I'm asking like, yo, can Colin get a job, Roger Goodell?

Like, we're pushing like, so you don't know what can happen from this. It might be an only that I'd be like, you know what? It wouldn't make business sense to sign Colin Kaepernick. I look at it from the Muhammad Ali perspective, right? You remember Ali when he protested against Vietnam, got his boxing license script away. So everybody pulled out from him. But as the time went on, people started to realize, like, yo, the Vietnam War was fucked up. some bullshit.

It wasn't bullshit. Damn. So you know what? Yeah, reinstated his license. He got his license reinstated why he had his fucking case still in appeal. So eventually people will come to their census. I think so. Well, when it comes to Hove, my real question is not that he talked with Roger Goodell,

because the way the thing was framed, it seems like Hove and Roger Goodell had a conversation. They worked out, whatever they worked out. They've been talking to January. Okay, cool. But my thing about it is not that you talked to Roger Goodell, did you talk to the other 32 motherfuckers? Because, yeah, Roger Goodell works for them. but if they're still not anymore with it than they were before Hove got there. I don't have to talk to the owners to do a deal with the NFL.

But if you're going to do an NFL initiative, you need the teams to cooperate, participate. All I need is the commissioner. Really? So they're going to be anti the whole thing when something happens. They have an idea. We want to do this. The owners are going to hate it and Gadell is going to be like, well, I made it pack with a whole of them to do it anyway. I could be wrong, but I thought that the NFL can make their own initiatives.

I don't think it's a vote or anything like that. I think the NFL makes their own initiatives. No, not a vote with the pressure. And then if they don't work out. the owners could vote Goodell out after his contract. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wants to do things that appease the owners because he wants to keep getting that deal. So you don't think there's any chance of them putting pressure on him saying whatever this initiative is when the detail comes out.

The owners don't want to smoke. The owners are thinking like this. They're like, okay, why don't we get this? Because the owners are all old as shit. They're like, why don't we just get this young black man and his beautifully talented wife to do all the entertainment? And then everybody will be, they're not going to be upset anymore about what? He's not doing any of that, though. But you know how to do that?

He's not performing. No, I know he's not before it, but you said he would head the entertainment division of the NFL. Yeah, he's picking the people. Look, here's the thing that I think is most important about what's happening here, right? JZ's not getting paid billions of dollars for this, okay? I don't know what the contract is. I can't fathom that JZ needs the money. You don't need the money.

So here's the thing. Jay Z is doing this knowing full well, it could hurt his interest. image. He's doing it because he thinks he can make a difference. He can do something about it, right? And if he's wrong, this is what fucking enrages me. And by the way, if he's wrong, that's on him. Yeah.

You know what I love people that help when they don't have to and they only have anything to lose. Yes. I like shout to Joe Rogan. Rogan does that shit all the time. Has people on all the time to have conversations that can only hurt Rogan. It doesn't do anything for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bro, he was even talking about the Shadow Band that I have. You have to do that. You have Instagram. fucking hit him up and be like, yo, why are you doing that kind of shit? You don't have to do any of this shit. You know what I mean? But it does it. So it's like Jay-Z is out here doing something he can only help black people.

It can only hurt him and only help black people. And he's still getting shit on. Well, specifically, still get his shit on. The thing with Jay-Z is that he's never been able to, it's not his fault, but I feel like within the culture there's a cynicism toward Jay-Z that started a long time way before any of this shit.

Like, the idea that even his most famous line is almost the thing they use against them. Like being a businessman. I'm a businessman. Yeah, and just being about the money. When he did the thing with the Nets, they said, oh, Jay-Z is gentrifying Brooklyn.

He's helping them put up this big-ass stadium and moving all these people out. And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but less than 1% of people got displaced and it created thousands of jobs. All kind of jobs. Thousands of jobs in Brooklyn. And when you stayed displaced,

it was people that had to pay those people. Right. Everybody got to check. It's not the best payment. But, yeah. I don't know. You got to crack some eggs to make. omelette, of course.

But there's a cynicism toward him that whatever you're doing, you're doing this selfish place. If I'm one of them. Right. Oh, look at you quoting hole. Hey! Look at you quoting home, baby. Okay. Listen, us minorities got to stick together, man. It's really what it is all about.

Hunky hole. Hockey hole. All right. Boss of headlines. That's what I'm laughing. The moral of the story is, I'm not against, I'm not. Hunky home. I don't want us to make the same mistakes that I've seen our forefathers make.

You know what I'm saying? Like I'm telling you, if you watch, please watch King in the wilderness, man, and watch how depressed Martin Luther King Jr. was. Watch how they kicked Martin Luther King back in. There was a headline. They showed a headline from a paper that said, Martin Luther King Jr. is selfish. This Vietnam move was about him, not the actual war.

The guy was nonviolent his whole life. Of course he would be against the fucking war. Why would he be for a war? Like, my God. But it's like those. Headlines is like the same type of things you see now. Oh, Jay-Z's doing this for himself. Listen, I don't think he's doing it for himself.

I don't either. If I'm wrong, hey, then I'll be wrong in the future. We all look stupid because time will reveal all. But I think he means well. I think he's doing well. I think he has so many other things that he could be doing. The Khalif Browder, what's the Lamb's making? Yeah, the Trayvon Martin stuff.

The stuff that he's doing. I think that there is no nuance anymore. We live on one side of the insim of the same. There's nuance is super dead. Yeah, and the other thing is that as people of color, we're not allowed a spectrum. Everything is either we're on one side or the other. Comedy, like, well, you know, when it comes to people of color, like, well, all y'all talk about the same thing.

You don't allow us to talk about anything else. There's Hannibal Burris and there's earthquake and everything in between and we should have a spectrum. Jay-Z and Colin Kaepernick are tackling the same issues, but they have different methods of doing it. And listen, who doesn't support Colin Kaepernick that cares about equality? And you know how many white people get killed by the police? The 12-year autistic white boy whose parents called the cops to come help them

and they ended up choking them to death, you don't hear about it because it doesn't stir the pot as much because it keeps us distracted. We're always sharing videos about black people getting beat up and barbecue Becky. Barbecue Becky can't keep you from buying a house. You know who can? Bank of America, who you get your money to and. Syrac when you buy, or my bad, not Sarac, but when you're going out there like,

not the black brand. Not the Diddy. Don't you. That great goose, though. But you know what I mean? It's like we give our money to the things that really hold us back and then we are always setting fires around things that don't really matter. And we got to stop setting those fires

and we need to look back. Jay-Z may very well be the in-road for Colin Kaepernick to get a job back in the NFL. Maybe. Some people acting like he's the the nail in the coffin, I don't necessarily see it that way. If you were an all-powerful oppressor, right?

Could you design a better system to hold a group of people down than what you just described? Like, that would be the perfect system is, hey, get them all fighting about this nonsense on the ground, dividing, arguing, whatever it is, as long as they just don't agree,

as long as they can find one little thing that could discredit the guy who's trying to help them make sure they do that and if we don't find it, point it out. They'll figure it out. That is the perfect system to hold people down right there. Look at how many people's jobs we've lost, right? And I'm like, fuck them.

If they're out there messing with little kids on lemonade stands, I hope they lose their jobs. But we use so much power of our power to make that one person lose their jobs but we don't use that power to close a corporation down. And that's why we get so lost. Fuck, close a corporation, open one up. Oh, man.

Everybody thinks there's all this value in closing shit. The value is where you bring the money in. That's right. You're like, trust me, you close one thing that, you close Equinox. Another gym is going to pop up. Like, start your own gym. Yeah, yeah. You want a liberal gym, go.

Yeah. You know, it's simple. That Equinox shit was so dumb. What Equinox shit? You didn't see this? They were having a- The owner, Equinox, said he was going to do a charity for Trump. For not-so.

And then everybody started, I think Chrissy Teague started. She started, we got a boycott. Can you tell you something. Equinox. And Soul Cycle. And Soul Cycle. It's like, you know what I mean. 30 of the 32 NFL owners to support Donald Trump.

They ain't, but. I'm saying all that to say, I'm sure some of those football players go to Soul Cycle. They stop going to Soul Cycle, probably. I bet you They won't quit This should piss me off Because it's like It's so no

Everybody Akash has a great joke About like his Like people like How could you How could people be okay With the things that People

The people With the things Trump says about people In the LGBT community This that the other And Akaz goes I have an uncle Yeah I don't like that

The Uncle's not the president of the United States of America Yeah, but the owner of Equinox? You're not boycott Trump right now. I do you boycott and the owner of your gym. The owner of your gym need to have the same political feelings as you. Like, that's crazy, bro. I've said on this podcast a million times,

maybe just maybe we need to go back to a time where everybody just tuck their shit. Tuck your religion. I don't need to know your religion. I don't need to ask. Don't tell. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Though, we got to be fair.

The reality of this country is that this country is, our government is highly influenced by these corporations. So they have a voice and that is what, you know, look at the guns, right? They made the guns about video games right? At Walmart, well, shut that bitch down for the teen's clothing section because that's why Jeffrey Epstein is gone

based on that measure, right? If you don't blame the guns on the video game, then we blame it in teenage tight jeans on pedophiles. You know what I mean? That's the reality of it. We you have to that man doesn't just own

Soul Cycle, that man owns an NFL team, right? Isn't it Wazenga? No, I thought Stephanie, who's the guy that runs that connection? Ross, Stephen Ross or something? Oh, yeah, so he does. He owns the dolphins. The dolphins. Yeah, he's the dolphins.

So the thing is that... But do you think he gives a fuck about LGBTQ? He just wants to save 10% of his taxes. Absolutely. But at the cost of that. But at the cost of that. Yeah, but that costs something, though. And that cost is people either being oppressed or

killed or whatever. Let's talk about cost. Let's talk about cost. Because we all are okay with costs. We just don't acknowledge it. Oh, sure. Absolutely. You 35,000 people die every year in car accidents.

Not drunk driving, just car accidents. We could eliminate every single car accident death by taking a speed limit and making a 10 miles per hour. Y'all want to drive 10 miles per hour to work? No, and I got to pee. Now, so basically we're all sitting here going, I'm okay with 35,000 people dying. We are all okay. with collateral damage. Every single

one of us. But you said 10 miles per hour. So that's going slow. I don't want you to speed. No, but what I'm saying is those 35,000 people that die aren't from speeding. Just regular car deaths. Yeah, but that's a false equivalency when you're talking about systemic oppression. That's not... I'm talking about people dying and we got a solution. We got a solution to stop deaths.

It's systemic oppression. There's a difference between what you're talking about and systemic oppression. That's a human element, too. If you drive a car, you're going to crash that bit sometimes. At 10 miles per hour, you're going to live. At 60, you're not going to... Unless you roll down a hill. You're going to roll down a 10 miles per hour.

Get out your car before you go down a cliff. It's slow. What's the point, though? My point is what I'm saying is, we're all okay with a certain amount of collateral damage. Every one of us has a cell phone. This is made by child slaves. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, but it ain't only a portion of black people who are being oppressed. It's black people are born oppressed because of the color of their skin. Nobody's denying oppression. Nobody's denying oppression. Nobody's saying... What I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is that.

We have to accept a certain amount of collateral damage in our lives, right? So we're jacking off. But we can't be the expense. So if we can't, we can't truly go out and boycott every person that we disagree with because we'd be hypocrites ourselves, right? We're looking at it. I'm talking about Stephen Ross. I get what you're saying, but we boycott our interest.

That's the truth to the matter. Like if something is directly affecting us or directly affecting a group. that we care about, then we'll boycott whatever is oppressing that. And we ignore the shit this fucked up but helps us. We're all guilty of that. Everybody right left is guilty of that, right? That's the fact. So who are we to judge somebody who's ignoring the shit that helps them?

If it was, if everything was balanced, if everything was balanced, if all people had the same reality, then that was, that was alive. If it was more equitable, we would be able to look the other side. But the reality is not that is not. And look, those of us... By the way, you can only put out what... You can only put out the fires you know about. I didn't know that the head of Equinox supported Trump

until he did it. Until he said that. You know what I'm saying? So I can only put out the fires I know about. That's the beauty of social media. They alert us to a lot of fires. Right. They keep us distracted, though,

that we get so caught up in a lot of those fires. You just got to focus. That's all. But, you know, the funny thing is that, you know how many people I saw tweet? I love black people. black people, but I'm going to watch my Raiders this week.

You know how many people said bought their season tickets and went to those games? I just do it. I don't tweet it. I just did it. I just kept watching the audience. I just kept watching the show. Y'all argue about this shit over there.

I'm watching my game on a clock. And that, my friend, is what I'm talking about. Like, if you look at the list of banks that decided to pull out of prisons, funding prisons, because of the economic, their bottom line was affected, that's how you affect change. Fuck the Jay-Z thing.

What's you doing? What's your money? That's what Jay said. Jay said, Joe, he said, all of these people that are critiquing me, he said, I'm used to this. He said, you know, four or five years from now, we'll see where it stands. But he said, all these people that are critiquing me,

what have you done in the last 365 days? He said, I can show you how many people I've helped in the last 365 days. I can show you how many jobs I provided. I can show you how many people I've gotten out of jail. What have you done? You've got to give some people more cashier, man. I think Jay deserves more cachet

than motherfuckers to be saying, oh, he's a sellout. Like, that's actually... Twitter has really made everyone feel as if their opinion means anything. Yes. It's a bunch of useless horseshit. There used to be a time back in the day where there was no Twitter,

and your opinion only mattered amongst your close friends. And even with them, they'd be like, if you don't shut the fuck up, you used to. piece of shit. What the fuck have you done in the last year? And by the way, they did the same thing to Colin.

When Colin, when Colin settled with the NFL, he got a two years back break. Oh, yeah, he was on his ass. Oh, he's a seller. He sold out. He won't talk about, he won't talk about how much money he took. He won't say nothing. Some people when he did the deal with Nike, oh, when Nike sells guns to both sides, how you're going to be. How you're going to have a deal?

How you're going to have a deal with somebody that's a sponsor in the NFL? So, yo, you damned if you do, you damned if you don't. You got to do you and you got to just hope your intention. are pure and then you got to be strategic because there's a lot of motherfuckers on the internet and they work at magazines and they woke and they leading

charges and they don't have a plan all they have is automated tweets that are witty, they're very funny, they punch hard, they drag people when they get in their motherfucking cars they go home and they don't do shit for people who look like them and I

come from motherfuckers like that because I live on the ground. I don't have to tweet that I'm feeding homeless people because I don't need to do that because I feel like I go out and teach classes to single homeless mothers about economic empowerment. That's how you turn

the table. Like you teach people about money. Your people really good at that, right? The we, we don't, we are so busy. Me as a white guy? Yes. And the Jew? Asians. Listen, I'm Asian.

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Idiot. Back to the show, guys. Okay, we got to wrap this up. Is there anything that was pertinent to this? week that we had to discuss, had to talk about, had to get off of our chest. Dude, I think Joe Budden is a marketing genius. Oh yeah, he got the thing figured out. I am so...

You got totally figured out. And again, listen, this stuff pops up on my Instagram. Elliot Wilson is posting about it. I'm hearing it like a Jason. I'm not someone who listens to the show or Nikki's show by any means. But it is... You are a brilliant marketer if you feel. find a way to turn tragedy into triumph, right?

There are many people that couldn't swallow their ego maybe after that first interview with him and Nikki, right? And go, or at least the clip I saw about it. She's laying in on him. And she came with facts. Yeah. He was dead ass wrong. Boom. A hundred percent wrong. And she exposed it.

And he was smart enough and ego less enough to go run it back on mine. Let's continue this momentum. This is great for Nikki. Nikki's been floundering. This is great for Joe, right? It's like they created a fucking moment that people are really, and it might have been a situation where people got to see a side of Nikki that they really resonated with.

And it might, this, I haven't listened to the one. I don't know if it's out yet. Yeah, it's out of this morning. Okay, with Nikki and Joe, where even Nikki's fans start to go, I maybe he ain't that bad. And maybe they got history. It's like they found a way. to do the impossible,

which is make something from nothing. Yeah. And you got to give Joe credit. You got to give him credit with that, man. He knows his audience. He knows what it is. They want to hear from him. He knows how to flip that shit.

Listen, I believe anybody who got slapped by Ray Kwan and still goes out. It's still out here? Yeah, it's still out here making it happen. When Ray Kwan slapped Joe? Or was one of his ones. Oh, you don't remember that shit? No.

This was when... I was listening. to Nirvana. I'm listening to this hippie hop. And listen, the reason I say that is not to emasculate him. The reason I say that is the ability to be that type of vulnerable within a culture of people who penalize you heavily for stuff like that. For sure.

And is always able to, even with the academics thing, the way that he navigates through the world just being a regular person who happens to be Joe Biden. And that is admirable because everybody right now is so fucking perfect. Everybody's so badass. Ain't nobody. I wish a motherfucker. Everybody is that. A lot of pretension shit.

And what I will say about the whole thing with the Nikki Minaj thing is when I think about modern day celebrities, I always think about Michael Jackson and Muhammad Ali, right? So while Michael Jackson ran from the people, Muhammad Ali walked with them. And I just think that this is the era where the people want you to walk with them. And I think that that's why so many people. many celebrities struggle because there's this thing about you're hot right now and no matter how many what a following you have when the machine decides you're not hot anymore you melt down and the truth is that the people should speak for you and you shouldn't fucking continue we can't live our lives about what the machine says because the machine says a motherfucker who kisses a cat on

YouTube is bigger than us you know what I mean and we sitting around here writing and trying to create shit yeah so I'm popping. I don't know about you. I'm hot right now. I'm Andrew Schultz. You know what I mean? YouTube.com slash the Andrew Shultz. It's not Shadow Pan yet.

I love it. That's what you got to be, though, right? No, I 100% agree with you a thousand percent. It's, yeah, you touch on something interesting. I've been curious about what Joe's superpower is. And I think I missed it because I operate in like a white world as well. where, like, being vulnerable is a lot more acceptable. Yeah, it's like a romantic comedy all the time.

Exactly. And Joe, I think the reason why he's such maybe an outlier and so why people gravitate to him so well is because he's that exactly. He's open. The book is open. It's not closed. It's not shut. It's not trying to create this image of facade.

It's, yeah, I've had some mental health problems. Yeah. You know what I have this? Yeah, I have this. It opens the door for people who are struggling. To that point, when he, when this shit happened with Rayquan and the Woutang, I had no clue about this. So this was probably what, 2010, 11 maybe?

Maybe even earlier than that. Maybe nine. But I think double X L had put out a list. It was like a brackets thing, like March Madness type time. Okay. And I think it was, I think the beef was specifically with meth. It was like meth was ranked higher than him and whatever seed. And he went, he was still, he was like one of the.

first rappers, you know, really doing the YouTube internet joke button TV thing. He was going live, not live, but he was recording himself all the time. Love it. And he was basically ranting about this. No fucking way in hell met the man is better than rapper than me. Bumass met the man, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

They seen him at a festival, punched him in his face, had a big ass bruise on his face. And the first thing he did was hop on the camera and say, yeah, with the ice pack, yeah, they just fucked me up. I just got my ass whoop-bo-bo-bo-w-woop-to-woop. And it was like, it was a joke, but that became, to me it became a big part of establishing that thing of like, I'm shameless. I don't care about being vulnerable.

I'll show you all whatever y'all want to see. And eventually I'll turn that tragedy into some kind of triumph. Yeah, this is something very common in like the white world. Like this is like every punk rock band is, I was beat up in school. Right. They made fun of me. My mom's a bitch. She doesn't love me.

Right, right. So now, and there is value to it, right? Like, you can, if that's in the wrong hands, it can be manipulatable, right? You can manipulate people. If it's in the right hands, it can be a positive message for how to handle your insecurities. Right. You can be Eminem or you can be fucking, not child as Gambino. What was the other kid from, what was the other young kid from Brooklyn that was out here running around rapper?

Charles Hamilton? Charles Hamilton. You can be that guy. Of course I would know. Of course you don't fucking charred on. That good white. That white name right there. Hockey Hove knows all the rap shit.

I fuck with him. But shit, you can be either one of those guys. Right. And M&M goes on to sell 10 billion records, and Charles Hamilton is probably somewhere in Flatbush Fat. Like, and that's just how, you know, it's just how it goes. What happened with Flatbush Fat? No, we're talking about Joe and the Nicky's situation.

What happened? I didn't hear it. I just thought he, I didn't, I've only heard clips on Instagram, but I thought the whole thing was handled brilliantly. Like, they created a moment, and they had a part two to a moment. All this shit is wrestling, bro. Great. It's all wrestling.

Like, me and Nikki talk. Like, me and Nikki text each other. Like, we argue over the phone sometimes. Why are you wasting the content, bro? What do you mean wasting content? Put that shit on airwaves. What? You're out here with senators and shit talking about, like, fucking health care,

boring. Get that drama going, son. By the way, I love Nikki Minaj. All I've ever had for Nikki Menade was conscriptive criticism. That's it about her music and her attitude. That's it. Ain't no beef with it. I don't have no beef with Nikki. Like, you don't have no beef with me?

To be honest with you, I don't know. I just know Nikki know how to create compelling spectacles. Right. And it works. She knows how to market. Whenever she drops a record and if you've been watching the formula ever since she's at Queen Radio, she does it, she'll put out a record. Episode. Our album, Queen Radio episode. And she just stirring up them waters and catching them fish. And we just

eating it up, eating it up. And I'm like, go ahead Nikki. Do your motherfucking thing. Because it's entertaining. Has it worked for the records, though? I don't think it's worked for the records. It's work more for the radio. It's work more for a personality. Yes, because we're finally feeling some Nikki. That was my criticism that got us in trouble.

But it was just that like all we know about you are these characters that you play. You're like 14 different people. It's schizophrenic. And then Cardi comes along and she is unapologetically herself. That's way easier to gravitate to. The character that I love that she plays is the rap game is Monique. And we call her Monique. and she loves us for real.

Okay? So that's, like, I don't, like, it's funny. It's funny to me. It's interesting. It's entertaining. Monique is crazy. Monique came at you, by the way. Recently.

She did. Are you not even responding to it? No, I mean, it's like, what I'm supposed to say? She says she don't buy me selling mental health. I'm not selling mental health. I go to therapy. I got anxiety. I deal with depression sometimes.

Like, what is that to sell? Like, what is that to sell? Let's say you are selling, let's say you're selling mental health. Are you a therapist? No. So how the fuck are you supposed to profit on mental health? No, I mean that. No, it means like, how do you be selling mental health?

Why would you sell some shit that you can't make money on? I got you. It's the same thing with Jay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if you really want people to go out there, you're saying go out there. People would say I put out a book. Yes, so that people are introduced to mental. health. I didn't even do it for that reason. I just was telling my story. Sure. Whatever

reason that you do for, it doesn't matter. The way that you make money off of an idea is not by selling one book. That book promotes another commodity that you own. If you, for example, hey, Atkins diet, you know what? You guys shouldn't eat bread. Bread is bad. But I got this cool bread substitute that you could buy these bars. But don't worry about that. Bread is bad. Bread is bad. Oh, you guys aren't being bread. I need something to eat except bread. I happen to got these little bars that you can eat.

But that's not what I'm selling. You see what I'm saying? You don't have the come up off the hustle. I don't have nothing to sell. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's a horrible business plan. If you are trying to make men of... I'm having the t-shirts. Yeah.

I went for my fucking self. I wear a t-shirts, I say, invest in your mental wealth, anxiety, depression. I went for me. But that's where... Cynicism just got to die at some point. You can't help nobody, bro. It's like the second you try to help. It kills everything.

And it's like if you're just going to be cynical about everybody's intention, if nobody is genuine and nobody is pure, everything is a hoax. And it's like, what are we doing out here? Absolutely. I don't understand it. Yo, we believe that there is a global international conspiracy to kill Jeffrey Epstein and a heartbeat. Hey, Jay-Z want to help black people? Nah!

Nah! That's wild! Y'all corny for this. Y'all corny! I did his head because of Monique, though. In a roundabout way. In a roundabout way. What happened?

She's paved the way. Yeah, I won't, I will never disparage a female community. Oh, Monique put you on. No, I'm just saying that she's paved the way for many women of color, and she won an Oscar, and she's very funny, and I do think that she's worthy of respect, and I'm never going to talk bad about her. I agree.

Listen, I agree with everything that you said. I have no problem with Monique. Once again, me running my big mouth saying what I think somebody should and shouldn't get. I was just talking about her initial Netflix. I was just like, I don't know if she should get this much of Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Amy Schumer. I think that we, as people of color, we have a lot of issues with self-worth. And I think that a lot of times we set the bar. We don't need to set the bar with other marginalized people.

we just need to, we just are worthy. Like, when people say Latin women are very known for saying, we don't make as much as black women. Well, black women don't make as much as white women. So why are black women in the bar? None of us make as much as Asians. Right. I get what you're saying.

I was just looking at it from a business perspective, though. Well, I mean, I, listen, I don't know. I'm not, I don't, I don't need to be in anybody's pockets to know that I think that Monique is worth more than $500,000 on Netflix, right? That's my personal opinion. But she's not. Yes, she is. No, no, no.

What are you basing it on? I'm basing it on her years of comedy, her selling out venues, her value as a comedian, her ability to do what a lot of the people who are on Netflix cannot do, and that's move of room because I watch, I watch Monique and, I mean, Monique did check All-Star Comedy Jam. That does not mean. I don't have to mention Amy Schumer when I talk about Monique. Her name is worth more than that.

And by way, I don't know what Monique should get. I just know she shouldn't have got $500. You should have got $500. You know what? Look, look, here's the thing. You and I both know a lot of comedians in the game that are fucking hysterical. Right. That if this game was based on funny only, they should be getting 30, 40 million from Netflix.

But you and I both know there's a difference between funny and the funny business. Absolutely. And what I will say to you is when you see Robin Williams, who was not doing stand-up anymore, and people will tell you he's an award-winning comedian, he's a bona fide actor, it was fine in order to present the value of Robin. But now when you tell people that Monique got an Oscar, oh, but this is stand-up comedy. No, her whole package is worth just what another.

And if you do it with them, you got to do it with her. I agree. And so what I'm saying about her is I'm not saying give her $10 million, but what I'm saying, when Wanda Sykes even said, my offer was pretty low. Like, when she first got her deal, if you compare the deals compared to the others, and you see a lot of people on Netflix who,

you and I are comedians. So you know we watch some of them specials and we're like, what the fuck? And by the way, some of those people, I'm not going to say their names. Because I don't want to do research. I've asked, they're getting a quarter million, 100,000.

Yeah, nobody's making money on that. except the big guys. Chappelle and them making 20, 30, 40 million, but the people that aren't them, Amy got it, right? She's without a doubt at the point in time regardless of what you think about her comedy. She was the biggest name.

She was in fucking movies, right? Monique was not selling out arenas. You and I both know that? No, she was not selling out arenas. She was just worth more than a half a million. She just wasn't worth what they were worth, but she was worth more than a half a million. You're worth what you're worth.

Right? Like, now if you and I want to say, say let's pay her based on what she's done for comedy and what she's done specifically for women in comedy worth way more than a half a million. But you don't get paid for what you did. You get paid for what you're doing. That's right.

And I agree. But you look at that roster on Netflix of comedians and you see that who was there before Wanda Sykes? What, some more? Was the only black woman who had to produce her own special and sell it. And you're Netflix and you're like, wow, there is. And I'm on Netflix.

there's a void here. There's absolutely a void. And you're not going to tell me that everybody on Netflix is selling out arenas. That's the fact. I want to say this. I wish people could have heard me

I was in that latest past weekend. I was at the table arguing. I don't think Eddie Murphy should get $70 million. Oh, yeah. You're always getting in trouble. And I love Eddie. I'm just saying that 2019.

You saw Kevin Hart take my take? What did he said? He said on his podcast. Remember what I was saying? Eddie Murphy should go right to pay-per-view. He should. And then on his side, he's like, yeah, someone said. He said someone said he's like he should do a pay-per-view special.

Just cut everybody out and do it. I 100% think Eddie should do that. But $70 million for Netflix, when you pay somebody that much money, you're paying for two things. You're paying for the name Netflix to be associated with every single drop that's in the news about that special. Think about the advertising that they got for free. just thrown it out there that Eddie was going to do it for 70 million. All of us tweeting, the news coverage, the hype alone. And it was Netflix special.

We have to acknowledge the fact that when you say Eddie Murphy, that is age-specific. Oh, absolutely. That is age. But you're talking about everybody that's like 35? 35, maybe 40. No, I'm 35. You know what I'm a comic, though. You're a comic.

No, but before I was a kind of, I started Connery because delirous. That's the reason why I'm in comedy. I remember exactly. But you know, a lot of comedians were like. We can't wait to see Eddie Murphy fail, like the younger comments. He's not going to come back. You see all the dumb tweets. What I will say, though, it created an awareness.

And then there was action. Now there's Tiffany Haddish. Tiffany opened the door for six other people. Now there's Wanda Sykes, who has one of the best specials on Netflix. And if you say that it's not, then you're a motherfucking hater. Because technically it's sound, performance, the writing, and the funny. is all there. And it just hit Leslie Jones,

didn't they? Didn't they just give, I don't know. I thought I saw something about Leslie Jones. But that's why I said Monique in a roundabout way in responsible for your special.

She rocked the boat. Netflix wanted to do something and who else to go grabbed in Tiffany and Tiffany did what we all should do empower other people. Plus, like if I'm Monique,

I mean, I agree, I don't know, the 500,000, I mean, I guess, I don't know if she was $300, right? She got over $300. But let's be honest,

Netflix is so far in the red They're never going to make the money back anyway. So if I'm onique, I'm looking at them like, y'all throwing this money out the window. Like, you can't throw me to bring them all the money over there. By the way, that would piss me off too. Y'all in the red, but when she gets me like, you know what? I'm not a little conservative.

I'll get preservative with this. I'd be pissed. Like, yo, y'all motherfuckers is hemorrhaging money. How do you know tip, I know? Tiffany. I mean, I know. We've been friends for, since I started doing stand-up. She and I, we've been friends for like 11 years.

When I first started doing stand-up, she's one of the first people that, embraced me and was like, oh, I know why they hate you. She was like, they've been talking about you. And we became friends and we've been friends. She really, like, showed me how to get my money. Like, I would call her and say, hey, I got this offer. And she would be like, no, and don't leave your house for free. You're not, this is what you do.

Because I felt like I had imposter syndrome in comedy for so many years. You just want to get on stage. And you just, then you start messing, you start messing yourself up. when you start taking whatever they give you because then they're like, oh, but you're so happy to be here. So she was one of the people that was like, you have to learn to assert your worth. And she taught me a lot about the business of stand-up.

The other thing that she taught me was, don't go around talking shit about people. Even when they talk shit about you, give them a hug and keep it moving. And that's where we meet. That's why she has a relationship with her mother and I have a relationship with mine. You didn't have a choice.

I didn't have to do this. Your mom stole your ass. I know. She could have been mad at her in the future, though. I could take you again. You know my mother? Tiffany really like that, though. Tiffany is not going to talk bad about a person.

You shouldn't. I'll be on the phone with her, and I'm the one talking bad about somebody that may be fucking with her, and she's like, nope. God bless them. I love him. And I'm like, that inspires me. She redirect me.

She handled that Tracy thing way better than I would have. Tracy who? Tracy Morgan. Oh, no. I'm not. I didn't like that. Yeah, I didn't like it either. I had no attachment to the situation,

but I was like, that's kind of whack. And she kept it super cute. Like, I'm not going to, like you said, give him a hug, basically. Even Cat Williams. You know, she's just not, that's not her energy. That's why she keeps winning.

And as much, you can put all that hatred on her name and God is going to open up the world for her because that's not where she lives. And it's not fake because you talk to her on the phone. I talk to her on the phone. She doesn't live there. And she inspires people to be like that. Like, that girl took a pay cut for us.

You hear me? A pay cut. A substantial pay cut. And while you hear these big old deals, $50 million, $70 million, $90 million, how many people took somebody with them? She took six people with them. And she made sure that they put respect on our names when they sent us those offers.

And you, come on, man. How many people do that? I'll fight you over Tiffany Haddish. I genuinely love her. Like, she's that good of a person. She's that good of a human being. Like, you know how you hear certain people talk shit about people? We're like, nah, we ain't doing, no, you can't do that.

Because she don't deserve that in no way, shape, or form. Talk shit about me. I deserve it. Oh, you know what I'm saying? They do. But you got to understand, like comedy is a very fickle business in a way that, like, oftentimes the people that comics speak highly of are the ones that, one, they're not threatened by, or two they're being fed by.

Yep. You know, like, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, you know, I'd be at the cellar hanging around and then, like, a comic that was very well known, but maybe not beloved by comics, you know, Dane Cook for something, for, you know, and comics, when Dane's not there talking all this shit and those same comics. Sucking dicks when the day was, right? And I was like, yo, what is going on? And then weird shit you see You see like You see dudes hang out with you And then talk shit about another comic That's their friend

And it's like if you're talking shit to me About your friend What's you say about me when I'm not here? By the way what you're saying right now Is exactly why I go from A to B so fast Because I can't be fake Like if I have a conversation about somebody To somebody

When I meet that person We gotta talk We have to say it to them I can't live with myself if I don't say it here. And, you know, what's crazy is like, I had this, like, that's what happened with Judd Apatow, like, when Joe was at the cellar, and I was, like, I was, he was there, and it was right after he was tweeting shit about Louie C.K. And I asked him, and I was at the table, I was like, yo, what was that all about? Like, I just started the conversation about, like, why would you do that, you know? And all these comics were, were at the table.

And a lot of them, they were like, yo, that was crazy. You said that to him. And I was like, why? Why is it crazy? Last week we were all saying that about him. Now he's here. Keep that same energy. Don't look at me and wink.

Don't kick my leg under the table. No, fuck that. And you don't even got to be aggressive about it. You could be curious. It's not a fight ever. It's just like... That makes you honorable. Yes.

That's the word. Tiffany, a lot of people used to talk about her sexual content. And we had a conversation one time. This was like maybe five years into our friendship. And I told her, I said, it makes me uncomfortable. Right? And we talked about the reason why it made me uncomfortable because I was molested. So when I hear people talking about sexual, I see these comedians talking men and women. I cringe.

You know? Yeah, because I'm like, and I marvel at the fact that people can talk about all the sexual stuff that they can with such freedom and power because I feel like I was still in bondage. She and I cried on the phone together, but I had that conversation with her instead of all these motherfuckers that are always talking shit behind her back. and now they sucking her dick on Instagram. I'm not doing that with my friend. I can't call her my friend, but we had that conversation, and she addressed it. She's like, I know you get weird. You leave the room.

Like, I think you hating on me. And I'm like, no, I'll fight a motherfucker to the death for you. But that makes me uncomfortable because of this. Yeah, it is an interesting, and it's a good quality that Tiffany has to allow that because the saying is, you know, profits let people convert. Now, I'm not putting that on Tiffany to be prophetic, but you can't carry hatred. Like when you get in a position of power and leadership, remembering every person that wasn't that nice to you on a come-up. Oh, that I'll show you people.

When they convert, when they come on and they support what you're doing, they find salvation in you or they find, it's like you got to allow them to. No. No, no, Charlotte. I'll suck this dick first. No. And I mean that in a disrespectful way. You're going to suck my dick. Fuck you.

Suck my dick. apologize for the bullshit you did to me, bitch-ass. And then... If they're doing you wrong, that's one thing. That's why people... If they're doing you wrong, that's one thing. They look at Kanye like he's crazy now. Because when Kanye got on the scene,

he was like, that A&R person passed on me, that A&R. He's on the radio. Finally that he's reconciled that within himself. And now he's like, I got to be Zen. Because like I said, this shit causes cancer. Oh, Kanye is crazy. Look at Carl. I lost his mind.

See, my thing is, though, you just got to get to a point where once I get it out, I'm cool. Because you got to understand, when people tell you that you ain't going to ever be shit. Oh, yeah, no, I know. When they tell you that you're not going to make it. I had a program directing named Boogie D. And I mean, it's in the most respectful way, Boogie D. Bogie D told me that's why I'll never make it in radio. Yeah.

He needs to be known. I got to name him. Why? Why? You already won. That's not enough for you? But I got to tell a story. I'm just telling the story.

Look, you could tell the story. I guess I'm not going to... I wouldn't... I know that, you know... But why you get in a booge some shine? Yeah, fuck it, man. You won already. And if boogie comes on board,

and if boogie comes on board, that's him admitting he was wrong. He don't have to come on board. No, I'm talking about the people to come on board. If the people keep hating on you, fuck the haters. You don't even got to mess around. You win whether they come on board or not.

You win already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So... That's the best... In the entire thing. So it's like, we all have people I know... I'm sure we all have exactly... stories where, you know, we heard little

people act like the shit that is said about you doesn't get back to you. Like, the comedy world is small, the radio world is small. The world is small. The world is small. So it's like, when cats are like talking shit behind your back, right? You don't think that someone's going to tell me that.

Right. We live in a gossipy-ass business. I love it. Yo, because... You know what? I'm going to tell you another reason I love it. I'm not the type of person that's gone. I'm not a... I don't care about like acknowledging it or pressing you anymore. you're just dead to me. Yep.

See, me, if... That's even better. If you come on board, that's even... You're already on board. If you're spending your time hating on me. Yeah. Like, if you're getting online, if you're doing whatever,

you're making video, whatever. If you're spending that much time hating on me, you're already on board. I got so much... I got so much space in your head. I'm cool with that. Yeah, but my feeling is like, once you come on board,

it's like, I had that responsibility because I knew I saw something that you couldn't see in that moment. And now you see... it and it's like, yeah, I know. I know you couldn't see it because maybe you were bitter or maybe you were angry or maybe you're upset with where you were. And I knew that about you then.

And it's okay. Now you're where you need to be. So let's all get this money together. You're forgiven. Let's all get this money together, man. As long as you're not, if you're disrespecting me trying to actively fuck me over now, then it's fuck you forever.

Not forever, but it's fuck you. But if you've come around, you realize, that's enough for me. There's no apology. Hey, are we on the same page? When everybody's trying to silence comics, are we all on the same page and we're going to protect each other? Because I'm going to ride for you.

Yeah. As long as you're a good comic, I'm going to ride for you. And I'm going to put it on the line as long as we all got each other's backs. Have you felt that this week, either? Well, yeah, I've had a lot of support. I felt that way. Like, with the Dina Shem thing, like I was... Got a ride for her.

But let me tell you, this is a comedian who did a joke about triple X. Oh, okay. And it got that became... What I thought was funny, though. Like, James Davis. is my friend and I'm not going to I'm not going to shit on date. I like Dean. I called him the second I saw that day. And I, I, I, I thought it was handled improperly.

I was going to call Dina and say, yo, I don't know if you know those X, X, X, X, X, fans, but they not, they will come for you. Like, before I saw, I wasn't going to put her on blast. I was going to say, watch her back because motherfuckers tattooed baby bottles on their faces. Yeah, it's real. Can we just be, we can agree on that. But James did what he did. What I thought was funny.

was how many men who are comedians became feminist in that moment. And we're like, they were defending her. She's a female comedian if it would have been a man who said this. And I was like, the only reason you are defending this is because you want to say shit that is, you want to talk shit about black people. And this is giving you the segue into that. And that's why I didn't jump on either side of it because I didn't think it was cool to jump on James the way they jumped on James.

Like people were calling him a bitch. They were like, you should be out of comedy. That's G-code that he broke, though. That's the problem. 100%. But he's a black man who watched the assassination of another black man and was sensitive about that. And that's something that a lot of... And also, when people were like, well,

ex was beat up his pregnant girlfriend. That boy was 20-something years old. A lot of those comedians that were tweeting about him were 40-something years old. I would love to see your shitty ass when you were 20 and see what you did back then. You are a full evolved whole man now. My feeling-

Judging this young boy. Yeah. That's tough though, right? Because she said something, she said something very important. James Davis is a black man. Yeah. So seeing that is triggering.

But then he's a comedian. So y'all do have like a culture and a community. So it's like, damn, what comes first? Like you said, you could be more than one person. Like, you could be more than one thing. We have to police our own village. So that's, my thing is, you don't go to Instagram. and say Comedy Central.

You say, hey, Dina, let me tell you something. I was going to tell you, her this. I believe you could say whatever you want to say in comedy, right? You go to Miami

with that old fuck shit. You go to Liberty City. You could be white and say the N-word all you want. Deal with the consequences. You just know what it is. You just know.

That one of them boys from Scott's Project is going to jump up and knock your teeth out. And when they say, I'm calling the police, they'll be like, I live there.

Call him up. Tell Officer Jenkins that I am right on the corner. I just ran from it this morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm all for it. I'm never going to edit. I'm never going to censor. I'm all for it.

But you got to know, yo, you got to know. When you, my nephew is one of those kids that's like in that triple X cult like thing. Mulfurker doing it on Instagram with a gun. And we like, yo, what's going on? Do you feel the same way about the, guy who killed X? I feel... What do you mean?

Meaning like you're saying that you could say whatever you want on stage but you got to be able to deal with the reaction. Like, do you think I... What I'm saying is X might have said something

to that guy was trying to rob him and then he got killed. Like, would you say to X? Would you go, hey, you could say whatever you want to a robber but you might get killed. Before he got killed,

I was watching a video of him in a fight where they stabbed somebody and he was laughing. Right. And it was like hoping, like, I think the guy was dead. And I thought to myself, yo, that shit you putting out into the universe is very like, you can do whatever you want. That's nobody's exempt from those rules. Right.

But comedians are not either. So when I hear these white boys saying, I want to say the N word. I'm saying you could say whatever you want to say. Just deal with that. You just got to be ready to. And that applies to everybody on the front. sounds like you guys are justifying violence. It's like, you don't have, listen,

we can't, you don't have. Hey, ladies, y'all can wear whatever you want. You know what I mean? But some guys might see some titty. And they might got to say some shit. That's a different. You're not, you have a false equivalency. And by the way, that man may grab them titties,

but he may go to jail. And ain't nothing nobody can do. You don't go to jail if you come out, if you beat up anybody for what they said. But your tities are saying. You got to do it. I'm not condoning violence. Right.

I am a witness. that it is real. Yes. And she's not, by the way, we're not saying it. What's just real? We're not saying it's over after that. Because think about it. I don't know what happened with the ex situation,

but X might have said something to that dude. That dude killed X. Now that dude's in jail. In jail. Because what we all should come together on, I think we all agree on, is that as corny as this sounds, but violence is not the answer, right?

Like what we allow here in America is you to say whatever the fuck you want to someone, because when you stifle saying what you, you want. The only recourse is violence. Why do y'all think freedom of expression is not physical?

I got freedom of expression. That might be to slap you in your motherfucking face. Right. That's a great point. I'll go to jail. And you go to jail. But all it really boils down to is everybody being willing to deal with the consequences of their actions. Say what you want to say? Cool. I'm going to slap you. How about this? And when I slap you, I might go to jail. Cool. I'm cool with that. What about this? What about this?

I'll say whatever I want to say. And guess what? you could say whatever you want to say back to me, and now we're both operating and say world. Not the way the world should be. No, no, no, I know. What I'm saying is we should aspire to have behavior right now. I might have low emotional IQ. You might have touched the sauce.

It might be a trick. We're going bad things could happen. I guess we're saying like if everybody's on the same page, right, would take out some like sociopaths, take out some crazy motherfuckers, right? And it's just like, I don't think any comic that makes a joke, and we know some sensitive-ass comics, but I don't think any comic who makes it a super offensive joke if somebody else went up after them

and then clown the fucking shit out of them that's part of the game bro you got clown that's what it is so it's like... But we're talking about something a little bit more sensitive when you're talking about somebody being tragically murdered because I keep telling you these are real people

I've seen Jeff Ross roast Pete Davidson about his dad being dead in the fucking twin house He makes jokes about his dad being dead though So that's kind of a license dude if you're a comedian Pete is a comedian You're talking about people who think that... They don't know the game.

They don't know the game. And those are fighting words to them. Right. Think about it. You don't think of you, X, X, X, X, X, and Tosh, you know, you don't know about comedy. You're making fun of my man getting killed. That's all you're thinking about. Oh, I'm going to see you.

And you're talking about a group of people who have bonded on darkness, right? He talked about being suicidal and talked about being depressed. These are people who are in, a lot of them are in the darkness. Like, when he died, if you looked at those tweets, those kids were like... He was everything. to them, man. He was a powerful figure to them. And he's from Florida. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx

and all of Florida. That's wild. I mean, I grew up between the Bronx and Miami. And I fight myself in my sleep. I got these demons. I can't get up off me because of those realities. I mean, it's a tricky situation. I don't know what James is going through. I know I called them

immediately when I first saw the thing. And I, yeah, we spoke. And I was like, bro, I just know that this is going to get taken out of context. And I said, he said, what are people saying? And I was like, now we're just talking right now. It was me and CP, you know, community, yeah. And we're like, I just know how people are going to take this.

Just call Dina. Explain why you felt that way, what the whole thing was, and maybe y'all could work that out. But you don't want, you don't want it to get out there that you're one of us and you're criticizing one of us over a joke because there are very few rules in the comedy game is don't steal. Yeah. And don't sense.

Yeah, no, I agree with you. And I didn't think it was cool for her to get death threats. Don't jerk off in front of women at a hotel. Oh, well. And hold the door close. Let's not leave that part. Allegedly. That's actually not true.

Well, that's up for, I mean, Louie and I met and he was cool with me. He was very nice to me, actually. So that made me feel bad because I was like, I ain't hot. It's crazy when you hear a Louis story not from a woman and she's not talking about him jerking off. It's like, eh. He didn't pull his dick out on me. And I was like, but he thought I was funny. So maybe that was the payoff for me.

But. He said, you know, one of the unfunny women? I said, never meet people that you admire. Hey, you know, that's crazy. If you think about that, that's crazy. You're with a comedian and she's born, so you're like, hi, shit, I thought. That's a great joke. But if she's funny, you're just dying laughing.

That's a great joke. He's good, man. As comedians, we're, like, salivating. Like, man. Because that's the thing, we can separate ourselves from the, I can't tell this Epstein. Man, I got this Epstein shit. Wait till it's finished. Yeah, it's not.

I can't. But I had a good one on last week. How to go? The whole audience was like, oh. What was the joke? Cringe, when I said that if they're going to ban the video games and they should ban the baby section because Juggings are cropping, baby juggins. And then I said, you know, that's how we lost Jeffrey Epstein.

We. That's how we. Yeah. Because that makes it. And the whole audience was like they all reacted like they were cringing. But it was magical because it was everybody. Everybody was like, oh. I love those.

I got a question just for the... What's better? A cringe or a laugh? Well, you... A mom. You use... This Saturday. I think you use the O.

Because an O is an audience acknowledging that something is funny, but you're not... Yeah, they're not publicly wanting to do it. Right. When you were doing homies, like, nobody owes, right? You say a fucked up joke. He's like, ooh. So the thing about a ooh is, or a O is, or a... is you can't double O, right?

Right. You gotta give him something, sweet something on the other side of them. And they're masters of it, but like if you get the O and then you tag it, tag is when you add like another punchline on it. Yeah,

that tag is always explodes! Because you finally release them. You got that bullshit out. You got the fake out of you. Right. Like that's what Patrice would probably call. You got that phony out.

The ooh is your phony. And you had no more phony left, so you got to give up. Absolutely. I agree. Like it's just. That's dope. Because I'm one of those comedians that...

You go for it and then... I open... When I first started... Like that AIDS tag he gave you? About that show earlier? Like, you almost hope that they'd grown at that first shit. Oh, yeah. Because when they hit it...

I open for Paul Mooney. And Paul was like, he calls me a little pretty bitch. That's my name. There's no, he won't call me my name. And he's like, come here, a little pretty bitch. He was like, I see you holding back out there. He was like, whenever you start really going in, and being who you really are and you let it go, stop being scared,

you don't be a problem. But I watched him, and he didn't give a fuck. This white woman got up and said, Mr. Mooney, you really think that white people are the devil? And he was like, nope, but you'll do to the real one gets here. Funny line. That's great. Funny line.

The audience was like, oh, she got up and walked out. and he just clowner on the way out and proceeded to go in. And it was... Can't shake him. He doesn't care. No. He definitely don't give a fuck.

And I was like, I want some of that. Like, I don't want to punish an audience for an hour. Right. But I do want to be able to speak. I see things through a very dark lens. I grew up in a very, very problematic environment. The way we coped with that was through laughter, right? You made, your daddy left you, bitch.

You know, like, that was our reality. You ever notice that the people that are most offended by jokes are the people that live the cushiest lives? You've never needed the funny. You've never needed it to get by. And it's like, and you're trying to take away the one fucking thing that we had that helped us deal with that fucked up dark shit. It's super selfish. And now you got on some fucking yoga pants. You got one of them running strollers.

Right. Your husband is at work. Yes, white women. and I'm talking on some of y'all, and y'all bitches want to come tell us how to be offended about them talking about us. Sit your ass down and go eat your kale ho. I don't want to hear it drives me fucking crazy.

Well, the crazy part about that is I feel like a lot of those people, 90% of them, would call themselves impasse. Yes. And to your point, like, the comedians are dealing with pain. Like, they're working out pain in various ways, and you're so worried about your feelings that you don't give a fuck that this person is hurt.

And you consider yourself to be a person. An empath. Yeah. And that's that. Hurt people. Hurt people then. 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to say like all comics are like dealing with pain. I'm like writing like an Epstein joke because it's painful. Right. Right.

Like some comics are writing through that, you know. But like. The murder of a pedophile is funny. Well, yeah. But like also this is how you deal with discomfort. Like Charlemagne is an anxious person. And the way he deals with his anxiety is says whatever he. he's feeling in the moment, you

like vomit it, you perch. Right? You per-no, but it's an effective tool. The people who don't they just kind of curl it. You can curl in sometimes, right? So it's like that's how you were. And then you learned through life

probably difficultly is if I make whatever I say funny, I can get away with saying fucked up shit. I never thought about it, but yeah. I mean, it's the laughter eases the whatever uncomfortable feeling it is.

It's a coping. They put an infanticide joke in Avengers Endgame. What was it again? It's a Disney property. When they're trying to figure out the time travel, they're sitting there talking about the rules of time travel. Oh, kill Hitler as a baby. Yeah.

And Don't we, if we can do all this, why don't we just go back, find baby Thanos and just, you know, give them a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the line that Hulk gives them back is that's terrible. And he says, it's Thanos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it's true.

Yeah, killing a baby. You're a baby. But we're talking about this in the context of a terrible person. I kept thinking like, but it was a baby alien. I mean, it's not like, yeah, it wasn't a human. I would have stump that shit. I would have put some timbulins on and stumps the shit out of it. You know, whatever I know what I don't get about those hypotheticals is like,

they're like, why don't we go back to when Hiller's a baby and kill him? Like, why don't she just go back to Hiller's mom and then make sure she doesn't get cummed in? In the first place. And you have no hill at right? Why do you have to kill a baby? Right? But like why do they jump to kill baby? You have time travel.

Go a little bit. Wham, wan, wan, whan. Bitch kill the baby. It's time to go. I got to run too, man. We got one more though. We got a, oh, whatever. We got that later.

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