The Brilliant Idiots - Rap Your Age

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

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the code idiots at squarespace.com slash idiots. Now let's start the show. Yep, Shallamany guy. Andrew Scho. We are the brilliant idiots podcast back for another week of brilliant idiotness. We don't got no pre. No pre-cum? We do. We do. We do. Give me some pre-cum, man. I'll give you some pre-cum right now, man. Oh, crazy. I don't even know if we can start a pod like that. What you mean? Okay, okay. Okay, we already did the pre-cum. That's over. Bram Bram Bram. Have the Kyle Walker. It was good, man.

How was your week? Your weekend? I think I broke my nose this morning, bro. What? Doing what? It's playing a pack. Big break. Son.

God damn. How the fuck that happened, man? I don't know. Would a ball hit you in the face? No. A paddle? A paddle? No, I slipped.

And then, like, the racket is a tethered to your arm. And the racket kind of like, I tried to throw the racket away, but it kind of just, like, stood there. And I just, or just. or just bounced off the ground and smack me right back in my head. Do you think if your nose was smaller would it have been more a hit?

I've thought about this. It's like currently it's at capacity so I don't know where else it can go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I just hope it's not jacked up. It do look fucked up. Like right here? Yeah, it looks fucked up, right?

Yes, absolutely. Is it swollen or what? I don't know. It just looks fucked up. I don't know if it was fucked up until you said something. Your perception is a motherfucker. Now you see it.

I mean, I saw it at first, but I'm thinking, okay, that could be sunburned or something like that. But damn, does it hurt? Yeah, it hurts a little. I didn't even know I hit my nose. I thought I hit my forehead because that's what hurt immediately afterwards. And then I started looking. I was like, why is there all this red shit. I hit it on, this is why I think I'm worried it's broken.

I hit it on this side. Yeah. But this side is black and blue. You got to go to the doctor, bro. I know. Why are you afraid of the doctor, man? I'm not. I called him.

I'm like, yo, let me come in there. If your nose is broken and shit you can do anyway. What you're going to do? That's the other thing. I don't want to. There's nothing you can do. So what I do, I just let it be like that. Let it be like that.

You got a broke nose. Tell people you fucking participate in underground fight clubs and some shit like that. That'd be fired. Get some street cred. Get some motherfucking street cred out here. Did you see Michael Jackson's movie? Not yet, man.

Me neither. But I'm going this weekend. I saw Rizzas. You were, you were going on. That is an instant classic for me. That is already in one of one of them. You say it's one of the greatest movies that's ever been made. To me?

Yeah. It's one of my personal favorite movies that I've ever seen in my motherfucking life. Number one, first of all, and this is documented. For years, I have been saying I would like to see Quentin Tarantino do a thriller, crime, drama based on Rayquan's Purple Tate. Oh, wow. So I've always felt that there was some type of synergy, energy. between Quentin Tarantino in the Wu-Tang Clan.

Yeah, yeah. So to see Quentin Tarantino do this movie that Rizzo produced, directed, wrote, and funded himself. Yeah. To see Quentin Tarantino

present this and see all the little elements of Quentin Tarantino in the movie that Rizzo wrote because Rizzler's also a fan of Quentin Tarantino so those little elements

that he put in the movie that, you know, you, like I give you an example without giving too much away. Think about Pope Fiction. You never saw what was in the briefcase. But the guy on the bus that gives Unique the book opens the briefcase and you see what was in the briefcase

was the book. Later on in the movie, when Unique opens up the book, the book glows. Remember how in Pope Fiction was open the briefcase? So it's like little small elements like that. You're like, oh, and you had to get Quentin's blessing to put that in the movie. but for me personally,

instant classic, bro. Yeah, I watched it. I liked it, man. I mean, I just think Riz's like amazing. He came on the pod this week, by the way. I saw. It was literally one of the most incredible conversations I've ever had with a human being.

He's a mastermind. I mean that. Do you understand what Rizza did with Wutang Clan is virtually impossible? Impossible. I'm going to take nine people convince them to be in a group. Then I'm going to take those nine individuals

and make them all solo stars and take them to various different record labels. It's like the Rothschild shit with Bankin. He did it with rap. Also, just him planting the seeds that have grown throughout the, just the music community, there are a lot of people that are like

eating fruit off of his tree that don't even know that is history. There's never been another Rizzo. You do realize that, right? Yeah. Like, you know how some people are so great they can be duplicated by somebody? Yeah. Rizzo was so one of a kind. Nobody can even duplicate what he... Like Kanye's production style comes from Rizzo. Yeah. The sampling, but he even he didn't do it like... And specifically how he sampled. Yeah. Speeding things up, pitching things up. And the limitations that they had in producing that made them do that. Like, he was talking about the systems they were using and it kind of forced them to create these.

certain sounds like oh i was just crazy if rizah hadn't had you know there was a flood of uh yeah his house or something and he lost tons and tons of music yeah if he doesn't lose that next wave of wu tang music yeah we're having a completely different conversation about rizza all the time oh really absolutely like we're having a conversation about rizzo the way we have conversations about dr yeah to me yeah you know what i mean like that's just how highly i look at rizzo Bro, he said the craziest ODB stories, too. You know what the movie is, but you know, the character unique, he said he based off ODB's energy.

Because that was ODB's alias, Asaun unique. Right. So he said this character has a lot of ODB. Energy energy. Yeah. Did he tell you the story about... When he used a paper towels, a condom? No.

What the fuck? Oh, ODB? Yeah. Oh, I think I've heard that one before, but I've a long time ago. When he took the car? I don't remember. Like the story in the movie, without giving too much away,

where, like, so ODB's like, he asked for a car because you got to go out and get some shit. Also, the way Rizotel stories is, like, fantastic. But, like, none of them had licenses. So they just got all these cars. New Yorkers, typical New Yorkers. They're in, like, this, I think this is Staten Island. They're in this, like, house, but it's in the woods.

It's crazy to think that, like, a place in New York City got woods, but I guess Staten Island got woods. And it's, like, a half-mile driveway. something like kind of deep. ODB asked for a car because you got to do some shit. Drives out, crashes that shit. Comes back. Yo, I need another car.

Guess another car. Drives out. Crashes that shit. Comes back. Yo, I need another car. He's on the BQE. I think, I might be converging two stories. On the BQE, right, with another buddy of his.

And he's driving, flips the car on the BQE. That's what inspired the scene where the car gets flipped at two in that minute. It's upside down. He gets out the car, starts walking on the BQE. His buddy's still in the car. Like, it's just crazy. And he's just, like, yo, this guy's just like radical freedom. It's free will personified.

Like, what would you do if you were completely free? I never met ODB, but I feel like there's only three people I've ever met like that in my life that have that energy. But I see ODB's energy from a far. DMX, radical fucking freedom, radical freedom. Eminodd would have absolutely been probably the best of friends. And you remember Shane Gandhi from fucking Buckwold, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shane Gandhi, radical freedom.

What is the cost of radical freedom, man? Short lives. You name three people are no longer with us. But I think people like that aren't supposed to be here long. I really feel that way. I really feel that type of energy isn't supposed to be here long. Yeah. It's actually, man, when you talk about people being from other planets and really just passing through, that type of spirit probably passes through to different dimensions quite frequently.

Interesting. And doesn't stay long in any of them. It's too boring. Earth too fucking boring for ODB. Earth's too boring for DMX. I'm too boring for Shane Gandhi. Good time. Not a long time.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Come on. But, hey, I watched it. It was so crazy. It's slew to my guy, Alex. Avaunt, and Avon has never stayed me wrong, by the way. That's Clarence

Avawn's son. Rest in peace, Clarence Avon. He hit me a couple weeks ago and was like, yo, you know, Ril and I want you to see this movie. They wanted me to come out somewhere, but I couldn't make it. So they ended up sending me a screening and I didn't watch it. But you know how somebody is on you? Like,

texting you like, yo. Because they could tell if you watched. Yes. Have you seen? Have you watched the movie yet? Like, yo, you should watch the movie. I'm like, hi, I'm on the plane yesterday. I was like, yo, let me watch the movie. Which was ironic because when I finally opened it up for my screen and it was expiring at 1159 that night. Yo, I'm watching it on the plane screaming, bro. Because I had the headphones on.

So I'm yelling like, yo! Because it takes you through so, there's such a range of emotion. Yeah. But that last 30 minutes? Kind of crazy. Oh, my God, man. I can't even tell y'all the reasons I love this movie until y'all see it. Without giving out too much away, what's the basic plot?

A war veteran. A war veteran who goes to prison when he comes home. But what you realize early in the movie, he's actually in prison because he helps people. Yeah. Right? Not because he's some type of criminal because he ended up helping people in a couple of situations. There was a guy beating up his wife and he defended her and he fucked up the guy. and so they locked them up.

Then he beat up somebody in jail who was a bully. Right? So, yeah. So you got sled out. He goes back to, like, I guess, his hometown in Ohio. Because he has to do for probation. Yeah. So you have to go back to Ohio and then it's just like, there's like a racist gang in Ohio.

Don't say, don't tell him everything. That's this right up in the beginning. I guess. If you see the trailer, you might see that. Yeah, the trailer is presented by Quentin Tarantino. Turn a new page. No, he's Quentin Tarantino presented it. So you can assume there's some white people dropping his face.

A lot of good. I won't say. that's the only thing could have been better. They relied on like, like, they should have Urban Dictionary more racial slurs. Oh. N-word, Koon, that leaves,

that loses its luster after a while. There's really only one. Nah, but then you can be creative is what I'm saying. But I don't think, I don't think idiots are creative. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Because it's specific, right?

Like what it takes to be racist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it does not allow for much creativity. And I liked it because it wasn't necessarily, it was political without being political. Yeah, the only thing for me was like, how realistic is it that there are these people that are like openly racist to this level in a town in modern America?

But we don't know if it was modern. That's a good point. You don't know what time period it takes. Yeah, are there any cell phones in it or? No. Remember, everybody's on pay phones. Even like they got the old school sobs. Like, I was even trying to figure out about a video game they was playing.

But I'm like, because on a video game, you see, it's Vince Carter playing against Magic Johnson. And I've never seen that game. And the game is a different type of game so it could exist in whatever time period. And they were playing with like an old school. It looked like an old school. The Power Glove, but it's a little different. I didn't know.

You don't know what time frame it is. Then I could go. I could suspend disbelief for a different time period. And I asked Rizzo about that. And Rizzol said he did that on purpose. Because he wanted the movie to be time. Yes. He said it was a cinematic decision because he wanted you to, like, just for example,

Like, there are, you see, like, certain civil rights and stuff getting rolled back now, right? And you can hear, you'll talk to somebody like a Jim Clyburn who's been around for a long time, and he'll tell you his concern is exactly that. Right. Like, what happened in this movie? His concern is things like that happening. And so it's like, you don't know if it was, if this movie happened yesterday. You don't know if this is going to be the future.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, yo. Michael Jackson's kid, isn't it? Yo, Michael wants us to be back in the box office. Yo, Michael's spirit clearly wants us to be back in movie theaters, yo. He was, his movie came out last week, broke all type of records. Now, Paris Jackson is in a movie this weekend.

Michael is invincible. Come on, man. Michael is invincible. And inevitable. What they don't say in the vengeance of the game? I am inevitable. I am inevitable. Michael really snapped in one, bro.

Holy shit. They ain't no going back trying to fucking, you know, get the time stones and re-recreate time with Michael. I don't give a fuck. People don't even care about the allegations. They took the allegations out the movie. They edited it. Well, no, yes. No, they had it in there.

Because the legal reasons. The family was like, listen, you want us to sign off on this shit? You've got to take it out. They take it out. No, it was another reason. It was something. It was the story they wanted to tell. They signed something with the family back in the day that literally said they can't recreate it.

this in any TV a movie. So with the family of one of the accusers. Yeah, that was it. I heard different. But that's fine. The story came out. Like, it was, it was the families. Let me look it up. Why? But they still might show you that in the next movie. Because they say there's going to be another movie.

Where does it end? 88. They say 88. I haven't seen it either, but they say 88. That's the victory tour? Right, right before. And they literally say, at the end of the movie, Michael's story will continue. That's why I don't understand. Everybody's so mad. Actually, I think victory was like 84.

Well, in the 88, they said. Well, I weren't allegations. So here's the question. Do the Michael fans want that part of the story? Hold on. Let me say this part real quick. Yeah. Michael did not include child sexual abuse allegations primarily due to a legal settlement clause

that barred the depiction of specific accusers coupled with a production decision to end the film's timeline in 1988. Now, to answer your question, I only want him if they tell me one story, the truth. Tell me how he was investigated by the FBI for 17 years and they didn't find anything. They like his music too. You know what I'm saying?

You think people in the FBI don't like Michael Jackson? You investigated for 17 years and you diddling kids. You're going to find some diddling, bro. Well, Michael ain't even in the Epstein Files. Son, he's above it. The Epstein Files was a cover band. You know what I mean? Like, compared to that.

Like, how many fucking priests from Boston are in that Epstein Files? Just because you're not in Files doesn't mean that there isn't a bad shit happening. That's a solid point. That's a solid point. I want, I don't think, here's my thing. I don't think Michael Jackson never touched no kid, bro. I think Michael is a kid. I feel that way too when I listen to his music.

No. I think Michael is a kid who never had a childhood. And, you know, let me tell how fucked up the planet is. And I'm glad we're having this conversation. Yeah. The planet is so fucked up that if somebody is out here, actually doing good. If somebody is out here actually

doing the right thing, we look at it and be like, oh, that's fucked up. That's foul. He got to be doing some foul shit. We do feel that way. But we feel that way with all success. It's like the second you have success, people are trying to tear you down. That's just like a natural human. And he had a different level of success. There's an argument that nobody in history has been as famous.

One person. The guy that Chris doesn't believe in. He wasn't famous back then. Ooh. So he got more famous after the future. Nobody knew him back in the day. No historical, one historical reference. Who? At the time, a Jewish writer by the name of Josephus,

mentioned him once. That's the only contemporary record. What you're trying to say over there, man? What are you trying to say over there? When we talk about the truth a couple minutes ago? Michael Jackson is the moment. You don't think that they was doing propaganda back then, too? You think they erased them?

You think they, you don't think they erased them? You think they erased them? You think they erased them? Some propaganda back then, too? Well, you know. Would you write about the guy that was calling you out in your shit? Like, does America, when we write our history books, call ourselves out? Well, we know the winners write history.

That's what I'm saying. And he was a loser in the moment. Exactly. So why would you write him into it? It's a fair point. You know why Michael Jackson is the most famous person that ever lived? Because there's nobody on this planet who doesn't believe in Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying?

Like, Chris don't even believe in Christ. Hold on. Michael Jackson versus Jordan. No, it's not even. Close. I think it is close. Michael Jordan faint he met Michael Jackson. He probably did faint.

He probably did. They probably had to cool him off before they did that jam video, right? Remember they did the jam video when Michael Jordan was playing against Michael Jackson one-on-one? Michael Jordan probably had to take a couple deep breath before he met Michael. You don't think it's a conversation. Jordan. No. Think about the sneakers.

Forget about just the play. Chris, Chris, Chris. You don't think that the rest of the NBA fucking Olympic team or whatever. it is, the dream team. You don't think that they were being stopped in the street in Spain and they were asking them if they were Michael Jordan? Like, they don't know. They're from Spain.

They just see it's all blackout. They're like, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan. Look, it's Michael Jordan. They don't know. Nobody is questioned whether or not they see Michael Jackson. Nobody ever met Michael Jordan and fainted that we know of. They faint watching the movie. It's not even them.

Now, I will say this. I will say this. Michael had people getting robbed for his sneakers, but not because of him, but because the sneakers were so fire. No, it was because of him. Nah, the sneakers was fire. If MJ put out a sneaker, people would be robbing them for that.

If it was fire. Come on, bro. If it was fire, bro. People sent their kids to his house after the allegations. But they stay. Like, what are we talking about? Because they understand purity. They knew that this man was not guilty of what he was being accused of.

Let me ask you a question. And let me ask you this. If you were really diddling kids, right? I didn't say he was diddling. No, no, I'm saying. If you were and then you got accused of it, would you still have kids at your house after the fact? Oh, of course, yeah.

I mean, Epstein still went to the island after the accusation, after the first one, after he was convicted. He did? Yeah, that's when the island popped off. He didn't have to go to an island before. Again, I'm not saying it happened. I don't think Michael touched him, kids. Let me ask you a question.

Your parents buy you some Jordans. Yes. Right? Reluctantly, because they're expensive. Yeah, yeah. You get robbed for the Jordans. Yeah. They buying you more Jordans?

No. Never again. No, but that's because of danger. They think that your life is in danger. That's my point. My point is they sent their kids back to the ranch. They knew it was no danger. How?

They felt it in their spirit. You would? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The way my anxiety is set up. You know what I mean? I can think the best.

But my anxiety, the way my anxiety set up will make me always lean into the worst. Hey, hey, hey, Mike, I believe you. I don't think Mike. But my anxiety, don't. Word up. And I also want to say, if you're going to put this in the movie, you have to show me how he,

and it wasn't even a finesse. He learned the business of the music industry and had the resources in the Capitol to get things done, and he got it done. He bought those white people. He bought the white people. He bought the Beatles. And original whites.

Yes. He bought like British whites. After learning from Paul McCartney, after Paul McCartney putting him on the game. Thanks. About what he should do. He literally bought the Beatles catalog. It was so valuable that Sony was like, yo, let's create a company, give you half of all Sony's publishing. Bro.

Like, and he was taking some of that publishing and giving it back to artists. Like, that was a different level of power for one human to have. Paul McCartney was so humbled by that experience. He married a woman with one leg. Damn. Did you know? No, man. Married a one-legged woman.

What he said? I'm gonna take over hip-hop somehow or another. I'm gonna fucking take over hip-hop somehow or another. Find me a one-legged woman so I can take over hip-hop. That's what that was? Bro, I think she beat him in a divorce too. She got like hundreds of millions from in the divorce. Damn.

Yeah. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. You think she'd get like 75%? or something. So she had a leg up on him and his divorce? How the fuck did that happen? What the fuck happened, yo? Bro, he married a woman with one leg.

That's crazy. And didn't make her sign a pre-up. He's probably like, she ain't running anywhere, man. She ain't going no fucking fucking. He ain't going no motherfuck. You can't beat me in no divorce if you can only stand five toes down. You're going to need all 10 fucking take me out. If I'm Paul McCartney with hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, you're out your fucking mind.

What? Hell no. Listen, show me that in the movie, yo. Show me how much of a businessman Mike was. Mike was going to buy Marvel at one point. Do you realize that? Mike was going to buy Marvel just so he could play Spider-Man. We could eat.

We would own jaws, you know, all the class, all that stuff that would allow us to be not only the Marvel tar of films, like anything we want from risk. Dude, he did. Can I say this? Yeah, I can say this. Yes. Um, he didn't want to play Spider-Man in the movie. No, I'm being dead serious right now. Okay.

This is, and I can't say who I heard this from, but he wanted to play Professor X. And he came in and I think auditioned as Professor X and Janet wanted to play Storm. Wow. And then the studio had, you can't say no when Michael fucking Jackson and Janet want to play characters in a movie. Wow. So I think they had to indulge it. Listen, I'm looking at that. Michael Jackson attempted to pursue.

He purchased Marvel Comics in the 1990s, a move confirmed by Stan Lee. Michael was a huge fan of the comics, and he sought to buy the struggling company primarily to fulfill his ambition of playing Spider-Man in a live-action movie. The deal did not come to fruition, however, and the attempt was shut down. There's actually a... There's a phone call. Look to see if he tried to play Professor X. Michael Jackson wanted to play...

Who you got there from? I can bleep it, but I can't tell you. I believe... Listen, I believe you. That would have been fired. Oh, yeah, during casting for X-Men 2000, Michael Jackson as Brian Singer, if he could play as Professor X, which made the producer Lauren Scheller-Donna respond. Do you know Xavier is an older white guy? Oh, yeah, Michael Jackson auditioned to be X-Men Professor X, Rolling Stone.

And Janet wanted to be a storm. It is weird, though. He wanted to be the guy who has, like, a school for gifted kids. I knew it. I knew it. They were adults, though. No, no, the adults are the teacher. I was just saying.

I knew it was going on with. I just saying. I knew it was going somewhere. I didn't make this up, though. I knew it was going something. What's you looking up now? No, I'm just looking up the Beatles publishing thing because I want, by the way,

we had this conversation on here long before fucking this movie. Yeah, in 1985, Michael Jackson purchased the ATV music publishing catalog for $0. So they didn't include it in this movie. It didn't include it. It should have been, right? In 85, they should have had that in there. It should have. Acquiring the rights to over 250.

Beatles songs. Jackson bought the catalog against the advice of Paul McCartney, who had previously advised them to invest in publishing leading to a rift in their friendship. The catalog served as a massive financial asset later merging with Sony to become Sony ATV. You know how much power

that is, bro? Put allegations on this guy, man. This guy got too much... Are you pointing to me? No, not you. You point that way. Fuck. Put allegations on this guy. He got too much power. We got to slow him to fuck down.

Y'all, all of that whole Bill Cosby was trying to buy NBC, no, Michael Jackson was trying to do. He had it. He had it. And then he was using that capital to go buy fucking Marvel, bro. Matter of fact, if you don't, if you are successful and don't have allegations, something's first. You might not be that successful? Or they might got something on you. I've been hearing that, man.

I don't like that. I don't like that rhetoric. Don't you dare starve me. I don't, yo. Don't you starve me. I don't like the rhetoric. I don't like, I don't like that. You're texting me this week, don't you dare start with it.

You texting me this exact rhetoric. They got, yo, what they got on your boy? You got caught by an AI image. And he's like, yo, what they got on your boy? You are this rhetoric. What are you talking about? You're saying, what they got on your boy? You're not going to say who my boy is, but it's an AI image.

You're right, you're right. It's an AI image. An incredibly famous successful person. I couldn't believe. I was like, yeah, what they got on your boy? It was something you would never imagine him doing. And it's so clearly an AI image. Shosa's like, you sure it's not AI?

And then Shalda, what do you say? I didn't even go back and look. I was like, you know what? You're probably fucking right. As soon as he said it, it just dawned to me. Like, you know what? It is fucking probably AI. It wasn't even know if we need to go back

and look at the picture. That's why I don't want to live in this world full of AI shit, man. I know. Oh my God. But that's how they desensitized us to everything. Yes. Right?

Yes. You don't believe nothing if you got to question everything. Exactly. And then when you do see something that is true, you already seen something. many things that are fake that you're like, that are insane, that you're like, ah, it is what it is. You just move right on. That's why that great disconnect is coming.

I'm telling you. I feel it. I see it. I was a, this weekend, I was everywhere. I had to go. Oh, how is that the, what's go to the festival? Like that's a podcast festival was incredible. I feel like this was, this was the best year yet.

Like, we've always, you know, it's always a couple thousand people there, but this was the best year yet. This felt the most hype from the way you guys. Exactly. Like, this felt like a real. Exactly. The dots connected culturally and corporately. I also saw a lot of creators talking about it.

Like, not people who were there, but like people, not sorry, not people who are doing shows and people who are there watching it. Yes. And. 100%. I felt the same way. It was like, oh, okay, fine. The dots connected culturally.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And by the way, the last four years have been amazing. But it almost felt like, it feels like the Brearindians podcast, right? And what I mean by that? we've been doing this for 13, 14 years now. I guess the best kept secret. But then when it starts to get out,

people are like, yo, you know, Shalaman and Andrew do a podcast? So it felt like that this year. We've been doing this for the last four years, same place, same time in Atlanta. But this year was just like, yo. And then people just, last year was like the first year people just was like randomly pulling up.

Like, like not just, I'm talking about people who want to see the show. But like, you know, like, I guess influencers and celebrities and stuff like that. And this year was. the same thing. You know what I mean? Like, Cheryl Underwood just popped up for no reason. So Duval in there? Duval just popped up. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Who are? Clarissa Shields and Papoos just popped.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was just a good, who else came? Um, Michael Bivens from New Edition. Wow. Just. Oh, really? He just, he was in the crowd. He was sitting in the audience. Just enjoying it. He was just like, yo, I just wanted to see it. He was like, I just want to see it. He was like, I just like, yeah, I keep hearing about Black Effect and podcasts. He was like, I just, I want to see. I want to I wanted to see and feel what a podcast festival was.

Yeah. And he was like, I get it. I see it now. I'll tell you one thing, though. Advertisers still don't get it, bro. Just let them. There was, I'm not even joking. There was, there was about 15 representatives from various companies at the podcast festival.

No need to name who they are. But I'm talking about major retail. Big brand. Big brand. Big brands. they literally still don't quite understand the world of podcasting. What do you mean by that? Meaning that they're like, so there's no music here?

Like all of these people are here just to listen to people talk? Yeah. Yeah. That is the habit podcast have become. And it was interesting because I went from the podcast festival to Orlando for my daughter's Chilean competition. Then I had to go to Miami for the possible conference. And the possible conference is basically a big conference for advertisers and media. And me and Bob Pittman was on the panel.

You know, Bob had a podcast called Math and Magic. So I was a guest on this podcast. And it was the same thing, having that conversation with advertisers. Like, stop worried about brand safety, you know, and just look at these podcasts, see the audience. These podcasts, they're garnering. And put your product in front of these people. stop thinking you know more than the audience. Don't tell the audience that what they like isn't safe.

I think it's an age thing, man. Talk to me. I just think that, like, eventually the execs retire, and then the new younger generation that consumes the contents of the generation come in, and they start making those decisions. And then the scrappier businesses that are already online, they have to be more competitive.

Like, Nike don't got to be competitive. It's Nike. You know, Walmart doesn't have to be competitive. It's Walmart. But, like, the young scrappyer. businesses, they have to go where the people are, so they hit the internet first. They'll hit the podcast. They'll hit YouTube shows. They'll do all that kind of stuff. But once the elite elite execs from these institutions retire and you have a kid who's been working there for 15 years,

but he's 35 now or he's 40, he's been listening to podcasts for the last 10 years. He knows that's where he's been going into these meetings and pitching them and never been able to actually like stamp what he believes is the future. I still think Nike and Walmart and those brands like that they are established brands that are usually grandfathered in. But I do think, thank you, but I do think that

they still have to be competitive in the sense that they have to meet people where they are. Oh, you're right, 100%. I'm just saying, like, those brands are managed by a guy who's probably in his 60s. And he's making, like, the highest level decisions.

Yeah, he's like, putting it on the view. And it's like, in his mind, that's what works. And then when you tell him, No, no, there's this due Charleston, this do Shultz, and they basically try to get each other to admit that they suck dick for two hours every week. But they got a loyal audience of four million people a month that are tuning into their podcast for 13 years. Because they're not even understanding what else is going on. Yeah.

Like, again, this is, but I promise you, in the next five years, you just see it happen. Less. Say again? Less. Two years, you see it happened. It's already happened. It's happened. Let's be very clear.

It's happening. Think about all the actors that in this promo run for their movies have come on podcast. Yeah. All the TV stars, all of a sudden, they completely avoided podcasts. Like the people that they might have done traditional radio, but that's where it stopped. Yeah. They'll go on the view where they'll do these little, like, junkets. Now, all of them are coming on podcasts and promote their films because they know where the people are.

Yeah. And if you're one of those big brands and you're still just promoting on the traditional platforms, you realize you're not getting the bang for your buck. Not at all. You're not getting the bank for your buck. So, and by the way, I think you should do a little bit of it all. I think you should spend a little bit of it on traditional. I think you should spend a little bit of it on digital, spend a little bit of it on podcast. Like, spread it around.

Like, you've got to meet people where they are. There's audiences everywhere. That's my only point. Like, everything is so fragmented, but fragmented nowadays is literally this place over here might have tens of millions and you may have never heard of them. Spend a little bit of money everywhere. You know what we're not far off from? What?

And, like, I don't think the general public is like, to wear the shit. They're starting to become a little bit more, but like these like clip farming armies. Oh, yeah. Like, I think we're not far off from big brands going, instead of advertising on places, I'm going to hire a clip farm army to just make generic content that's kind of about the products or the product is kind of included in. Not like a guy with the face of the camera, but like you see a Coca-Cola being drank in a famous movie from back of the day. And what the clip farming armies do is they can trick the algorithm and trick people into thinking something's hotter than it is because they're inescapable.

And then once something is inescapable, you assume it's hot. And if it actually is good, then it can rise to the top. And like, you saw this happen in music with the bots. Like, you take a great artist and then you bought the song and you go from a number three hit to a number one hit. You can't do it with a trash artist. Yeah. But I wonder, like, because the average person on the internet right now that has like a real job

real responsibilities and kids and shit, they're not looking at the content they're seeing being like, oh, this is all clip farm shit to make me think that this is a big thing. When that is the majority of the internet right now. I think they notice it now, you know? Maybe they do, but like my mom or my wife or something like that who's just not chronically online. Chronically online people like us see these fringe. If you're not chronically online, you just see a person pop up six or seven times on your

phone and you're like, oh, I guess they pop it. Back in the day, that's how it used to be. Now a lot of it is manufactured. What are you saying it's like a hard branded thing or a soft branded thing? It's soft branded. So you don't really feel it. You don't even, it doesn't even come from like, like this is something I saw that was crazy. When HBO was promoting their newest Game of Thrones thing, they just had editors make Game of Thrones edits from past shit.

Game of Thrones that was out 10 years ago. And it just galvanized the interest. They took these like iconic scenes. And you go, ooh, I love this world. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, there's a new Game of Thrones world that could be in? That sounds good. That is, you could argue, more effective, seeing four or five of those is more effective

than having the new lead character in the show go, hey, come watch my show. Yo, shows, what you're saying is so true because I was thinking about this with music, right? If you're an artist who has catalog, if you, you know, start feeding me little pieces of nostalgia, it just makes me want to experience whatever it is you're giving me so now I'm like I do want a new JZ album you know what I'm saying

like I that's where I think like that's what Drake should be doing even with Ice Man right like the hype is there but yo this guy is if you've been around for more than a decade the last year or so when everybody was like

yo I miss Drake I miss Drake start feeding them little bits of nostalgia you'd be like that yeah you'll remember that summer but that is going to be happening. That's probably already happening. And like, we might notice it when it comes up

through certain, like, Instagram pages, which are like more direct. You go, okay, this page really loves Drake, you know, huge fan for decades, blah, blah, blah. That's direct. Like, you could see the chain. The way where it's really subversive is when the account got nothing to do with it.

It could be a made-up account, but it's pumping stuff out. And now you don't see stuff from the people you follow. The algorithm gives you what you see based on your interests and you can just make it inescapable and I think you're gonna see that with movies watch watch once they start production

on like a new fucking or it already happened with Dune right? They announced the trailer for Dune leading up to the trailer for Dune you saw all these edits of the past two Dune movies and how sick they were these awesome scenes and you start going

oh shit Dune was fire then they dropped the trailer for Dune 3 and you're like I gotta see it Marble's putting out in game again they're re-release it in-game with new scenes. I promise you before that comes out, you will see the internet populated if they're smart by tons of great fucking Avengers. They're doing that now. And here's the crazy thing. You could, what's called Astro Turvets, you could get the clip

farmers to do it. And then once people see that there's views in it, they'll organically do it for free, other people. Because they'd be like, oh, this is trending right now. Let me get this hit. Let me get this out. It's a, man, listen, it is a very, very interesting time. Another conversation, we had that possible, they were asking me, what do I think an influencer is? And I said an influencer is somebody who's not giving me

performative, you know, influencing. Meaning like, you know, genuinely cares about the thing that they're talking about. It don't matter if you have five million followers, if I know, hi, guys, this right here is Poland Spring, you know? Like, if you're doing that, that's not going to sell me.

But it might be a guy that got 3,000 followers. who's actually on there fucking up some Poland Spring. I mean drinking that shit, deep throat in the motherfucking bottle, hitting that shit with the basket weave. I'm like, I need to try some of that motherfucking water. You know what I'm saying? All right, call this guy for head, one of the two. Either way, what he's promoting has got me.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, to me, an influencer is somebody who actually cares about what it is they're talking about. Really? Nobody asked me to promote that movie. You love it. They sent it to me. They kept asking me to what. watch it, I watched it, I loved it, I wanted to share that with people. I wanted people to

feel what I felt. I don't want to be alone in my feelings. Not when it comes to art. Yeah. There's a lot of things I don't give a fuck about it. I don't need you to like something for me to like it. But this was so good, I want to talk about it. Yeah. It's like when you got a good book, are you see a good TV show, are you experienced good food? I want you to experience this too. When I was at Cinemocom for Street Fighter, we did an event where we, I think they basically brought a bunch of people who were not only just like, not movie critics, but like movie internet connoisseurs or people that really loved either the game or whatever. But like, I guess you could call them influencers, but like that's what they were passionate about. And they

brought them all into this room. We set up some stuff and we talked about the movie a little bit. And then they got to like ask questions, take pictures, et cetera. But like, that's a perfect example of what you're talking about. Yeah. Like instead of, instead of holding the event, for all the executives at some company, they held an event for the people that are actually going to be the ones talking about the film. That's right. That's right.

Bro, that's even the move with books. Like, you know, on social media, you got all of these different people on TikTok who they actually have a thing called book talk or you have, like, you know, book influences. Just send them your product. Send them the book. They want to read.

They're a book kind of source. If they like it, they will talk about it. Also, they're so at this stage of the internet, like they're not always included in these events. The view is going to get a copy of everybody's book. It's almost like run of the mill right now. It's like that's the traditional thing you do. You want to go on the view where like the morning show or whatever the fuck.

Used to be Oprah. Oprah, like whatever it is, it's like you're doing it. So these people that are trying to make a career for themselves online and carrying content to be included in a massive event. You know what that probably means for them? Hell yeah. You said used to be Oprah. Oprah shit's still booming.

Of course. Oprah's Book Club was just part of that big-ass Amazon deal she did. Well, because I think she realized the value and it went back to it. But I think that's also why publishing companies are struggling a lot right now in terms of marketing. That's right. The book is because it used to be there are five TV shows and Oprah's at the top of the list. You know, it goes down. And if you hit those, you're going to have hopefully a bestseller and you cultivate those relationships.

Now there are 10,000 people out there. None of one by themselves has the concentrated power. But they each have a following and they're emerging every day and they're changing and there might be different people for different genres. And how does a publicity department with two people in it really stay on the pulse of that? It's a real challenge. And also, I'm only going to trust you with books if you're an avid reader. You know what I'm saying?

Like the reason I wanted to have a book in print because people, they know I'm an avid reader and I recommend. It feels authentic. Yeah, I recommend a lot of books. And the books that I even partner with are books that mean something to me that I think are going to, you know, bring something to the ecosystem. Arsenio Hall, a guy who I've always told y'all is one of my entertainment inspirations, would love to do his memoir, right? Like my Don Staley, the head coach of the University of South Carolina Gamecox, who has transformed this beloved program that my wife, you know, my wife went to school here. she was a student athlete at the school

as a cheerleader. Like, yes, I would love to do her story, right? The Jess O'Larious is out right now. That's my co-holds on Burroughs Club, but she has a great story about co-parenting with her husband. That's something that could actually help people who are in these co-parenting situations.

So when I talk about these books, I can talk about these books with passion. You know what I mean? I can feel comfortable out there standing by these books. People feel that. People feel that. And that brings me to a larger point.

You influences out there. If your opinion can be bought, good or bad, if somebody can pay you to say something or if somebody can pay you to not say something, you're a hope. You're a hope. And literally, your word ultimately will not have the value that they once had.

These people are tuned into you and you've gained this audience because they trust you. Yeah. But when they realize like, oh, man, this person just gets paid to promote that, they trust you less. Less. When they realize that you might be getting paid to be quiet about some things. They trust you less. They definitely trust you less.

You know who you pay to be quiet? Horse. Your side chick. That's who you pay to be quiet. You know what I'm saying? That's true. You can't pay me to be quiet? Yeah.

Like you're going to pay me to be quiet about something? You can fuck girls for free. Do you see what I'm saying? They're going to talk. about it. They're going to talk about it. I got to pay you to be quiet now. If they can pay you for your opinion or pay you not to have an opinion, you're a whore. And eventually, the audience will lose trust in you. Yeah. All you got is your word. Can't nobody pay me to do anything. You know what I'm saying? If I'm standing by something, I'm standing by it because I truly believe.

Right, right. If I'm talking about something, I'm talking about it because I actually like it. Yeah. Or I used it and I think it can benefit people. So people could pay you to talk about the shit you like. No. Well, you know what I think they should do? I'm glad you bought that up. Yeah. They do do that. Reward people. Like, like, for example, if I, you know, like, say a book came out and there was just somebody that was one of the book talks or whatever, and they were just, like, really, really promoting this project. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to reward them in some way. I might, I might invite them to a beating greed or, you know what I'm saying? I meant, I meant more like you're going to make your the book imprint is going to make money off of these books you put

out yes but that doesn't but that doesn't change the fact that you love these books no no not no you wouldn't put a book on your imprint that you didn't love absolutely because you would make money absolutely my point is like just making money off of a thing doesn't mean that you don't believe in it oh no no no no I think that's two different things I get what you're saying and you should be able to make money off the things you believe in absolutely passionate about and other people are able to make money 100% 100% you wouldn't establish you're You wouldn't establish whatever it is you're establishing if you didn't believe in. I think so.

I don't think you should do things just to try to make money. Yes, agree. You know what I mean? I'm just speaking of these influences who are getting paid. You see that in politics. Like, all of that shit is crashing and burning. You see that in the music industry. All that shit is crashing and burning.

Because people know, like, bro, you just get paid to tell us to vote for this person. You get paid to tell us to buy this. You usually get paid or it's like, this is where the tricky thing is. There are people who are ideologues, right? there are people who truly believe their shit. Right? So, but, you know, it's like those, what was that blog?

I forget what the blog was. It was a feminist blog back in the day. And it's like it felt like the ethos of the blog was just, hey, men suck. Go out there and find it. And then, because that's what they were selling. Now, they might believe that men suck and men need retribution for their actions.

But at the same time, that was the product. So now you're looking for it, even if it's not there. and that's now you start to like fall under the you fall under the definition of grift i think even though you do believe it but if you're looking for it more than it's actually there because you know you can monetize you can monetize that anger that disgust that frustration and you're not willing to pivot when you actually don't think it's right yeah that to me is you're absolutely right inauthentic and that's exactly that's the word i was looking for because what's going to what people are going to gravitate towards to now, what they've always gravitated towards, but they're going to

continue to gravitate towards to it, it's authenticity. Yeah. And as soon as they smell like you're not authentic, they're like, eh. You know what I mean? I would rather you not like the direction I'm going in anymore. But as long as I'm still being authentic, like, for example, me, when I talk about mental health, I start talking about mental health because I actually go through it. You know what I'm saying?

And people are like, I don't like that, Shal of me. Cool. Yeah. But that's me. That's who I am. So whoever I lose during that time frame, hey, they weren't supposed to go on this, on this particular journey with me. It's like me with paddle.

Paddle. Paddle. Paddle. Americans try to be fancy with it. They don't understand how the Spanish words are actually pronounced. But why? Why are you like getting paddled? Why do you get so kinky?

Well, I've always been kinky. You know that. Okay. But I just love paddle. And it's great. And people think you're getting paid to do paddle. No. No, they think I'm talking about pickleball.

They don't even know what the fucking sport is. They're like, what the hell is this fucking. fucking thing, but I don't care because I'm obsessed with it, and I'm playing it three, four times a week, and it's this thing that gives me so much joy. And if you get endorsement deals from it, oh, fuck. You're already pro, right? I am pro, technically. Yeah.

Yeah. Shout out neurogum. I'm pro. Shout out neurogum. You guys are the best. But that was their pitch for me. They're like, hey, we can make you a professional paddle athlete. And I go, yes.

And they're like, we can pay you. And I go, oh, also, yes. See what I'm saying? But you're getting paid to do something you love to do. You want to find people, you want, like, if I was a brand, I'm looking for the people who actually believe in it. Yeah, yeah. Not that people are willing to do it for the check.

Yeah. Because you don't even need to tell them to do much. But those are the things you should get paid for. Like, I don't, people would be like, you make so much money off mental health. How the fuck do you make money off mental health? Well, there's a whole industry where... I'm sure there is, but I'm not in it. The pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money off.

I definitely don't have... I'm definitely not selling zanis. Therapists make a good amount of money. But they're supposed to... But also, that's the thing with the therapist is like, I don't know, I don't know if you could pay me. enough to just sit there and listen to people tell you how they want to kill them all day. It's a gift.

They deserve to get something. It's a gift. You're like, but you're a doctor. Doctor, they are doctors. So it's a gift. Yeah. No, I am very supportive of them having a good life and making money. I think that they save people's lives.

So I'm okay with that. Should we go, hey, they shouldn't make any money. You're just trying to help people. It's like, okay, I guess. But, no, I don't. Then they'll get another job and those people won't get helped. I agree. Those people like that should be rewarded the most.

You know what I'm saying? Like, like teachers and... Oh, hell. Like, doctors are supposed to make money. Like, teachers should be making seven-figure salaries if you ask me. High six figures, if you ask me. I don't know. I got to deal with your little punk-ass kids all, motherfuck.

Bro, it is the trickiest thing because there's not a person on the planet that doesn't think that teachers should get paid more. But somehow they don't. So it's like... You know what I mean? Like, where are we... Like, what's off here, right? If you ask any person in the street, like, hey, do you think teachers should make more money? The answer probably unanimously would be like, yeah, it'd be nice if they'd be nice if they'd

made a little more money. Well, the problem is it's always taught into property taxes, right? And nobody wants to pay more property tax than they already are. Tied into something else. Well, that's the new conversation. I'm just saying, to me, it seems like a no-brainer because there's unanimous support. Right? Like, I've yet to meet an American, at least, that you go, hey, do you think teachers could make

a little more money? They went to the fuck, no. They get the summer off. Yo, it's wild that we don't take care of teaching more, bro. Hey. Think about, you know, think about how crazy this is that you take your child. someplace and drop them off with this person for hours at a time

during the day. Yeah. And most of them don't fuck them. And I think that there should be some sort of like reward. Now I'm not rewarding you for what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to fuck no kids. Well, maybe we need to. All right. Mark this. Did it somebody mark? No, no. Not need to have sex with them. Maybe we

need to pay it more. Maybe we need to reward them for not doing it. So then those teachers go, oh shit, all the other teachers that don't fuck the kids are getting bonuses? Maybe I should not do that. I think you should reward teachers because they're teachers. They're educating our kids every day. You know what I'm saying? They're taking care of our kids' well-being every day.

These teachers are responsible for our kids, mental, emotional, even physical well-being every single day. Y'all think of this teacher we had in fourth grade, man. I will never forget this one. What you mean about physical well-being? Because there's some teachers that could be fucking you up. To my point that I'm about to make, this teacher, I want to say her name. I don't know if she's dead.

She probably got to be dead by now because this was when I was in fourth grade. This woman used to fuck us up at Whitefield Elementary School in Monskorn to South Carolina. And anybody who had this fourth grade teacher, if I say her name, I know y'all know who I'm talking about.

This woman used to be like literally dragging kids across the classroom hitting on them. And I'm like, you what the, in our mind, that was normal back then. She wasn't supposed to be doing that shit. She wasn't. No.

But she did. She did. That motherfucker shouldn't be a teacher. But, yeah, I agree with you. And by the way, it didn't matter what she was being paid. She was just evil. You know what? When teachers were able to beat the students, I don't think they fucked them.

No, no, this was different. This wasn't no paddling. This wasn't regular paddling. This woman was abusive to us. I know. I'm just saying, I never heard about these controversies back in the day when you could paddle the kids. Yeah, I wasn't getting, I didn't start getting paddled to middle school. I never got hit in school by a teacher.

Really? Never was. Well, no, I never got hit by a teacher. Just getting hit by the principal. I never got hit by a principal. principal. Oh, I used to get worn the fuck out. Really? Oh, man, Mr. Barnett, he just died recently, God bless the dead.

Mr. Barnes. I think... I don't know if Mr. Barnes is a lot of. Did you have a teacher that you would have let hit? What you mean? A woman? No, like, yeah. A teacher, not let hit. A teacher that I wanted to hit as a little horny-ass young man? Yeah. Of course. Me too. She taught sex ed. What? Really. And I was like, man. I had a couple, boy.

I remember my second grade, second grade teacher. You can bleep her name, but. Bad. Man. Wait, second grade. Listen, you got to think. We're in second grade. Yeah.

So, my, I'm the teacher. Yeah. Back then, them women didn't have etiquette around the kids. So she'd be sitting at her desk, boy, where her legs open and you can see the panties. Man. You just came out of one of them not too long. I saw one at the bar. We used to go to, like, the bar in New York on the Upper West Side.

There was a bar that you could go. that you could go if you're underage. And we were all like seniors. So you're like, what, 17, 18? I don't know how old you are. But I saw one at the bar, man. Still got it? No, like I was, I wish she had it back then.

I'm saying, but she still got it now? At the ball? Oh, I don't know. I didn't see her at the bar recently. I saw her when I was 17. Oh, okay, okay. But now we're at the bar and it's like, what's the vibes?

And she didn't get us kicked out the bar. Yeah. Like the responsible thing to do as a teacher would be like, yo, you got to get out of here. You guys aren't old enough, but. teacher in high school or middle school? Interesting. She was our teacher currently that year. Oh, very interesting. So she's not kicking us out the bar. So it was like, you know, I mean, what do you do? I didn't go for it. That's New York though. So 17 sadly is legal in New York.

No way. Ask Seinfeld. Why didn't remember what Seinfeld was walking around? Didn't he marry that girl or something like that? I don't think he married her, but he was like 38 with the 17-year-old walking around New York. Why didn't Russell Plan moved to New York? Oh, no, I think it was legal. out there. That motherfucker is. What was the point of sharing it? Me?

No, Russell Brand, man. Oh, he got to be getting... I thought you were upset at me for bringing it up. No. He got to be getting ahead of something, right? And, I mean, not really, because he said in the UK, it's legal, so...

He's holding on to that Bible for a dear life, right? Did you see Pierce Morgan ask him what verse and he was just sifting through the pages for two minutes straight, not known? Even Trump was like, I like all of them. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to lie about the Bible,

if you're going to lie on the Bible while you're holding it, like at least be prepared. I don't know. And he could have just read any verse, man. Just read any verse that's better than sipping through the page. You know what? I think somebody told Russell Brand they got a role for him, but he got to go out here and clean up his image.

And if he can clean up his image, he'll get the role. That's what I think this was, because there was no need for this shit, bro. And here the thing, man. I think he's taking advantage of the most forgiven people. Who's the most forgiven people? Christians? Are they?

I think Are they? I think historically, yeah. Not when it comes to shit like this. I mean, because Christians don't run Hollywood. What the fuck? Well, I don't know if he's,

I think he knows he's at Hollywood. I don't think there's a chance for Hollywood. So what was the point? I think he's got to, he likes, he likes attention. He likes to be in a, you know,

a person who makes money and he has a lifestyle they want stuff keep. And I don't even understand the conversation. Like, like if you're, if you're, how old he said he was,

he said he was 30 when he had, and he had sex with a 16 year old. Like, for me, it's like, that makes you look even stranger because it's not about the law in that situation it's like how are you 30 attracted to what do you see in a 16 year old

that would make you want to have sex with her? You can't use the law as that type of an excuse. My daughter is 17, though. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I know what a 16, 17 year old girl looks like. They're kids. Like, there's nothing about me as a grown man

that's like, oh, yeah, I want to sleep with her. So it's like, what is you doing, Russell? Is this right here? This is the quote? Now, this is him sifting through it. Such a good actor, too, man. Get him to the Greek is phenomenal. Yeah, he was really...

Oh, he was really talented. I watched that shit two weeks ago, man. Can I go back to asking a question about your Bible? Yes, if you want to. Thank you. Was that the one you took into court? Yeah, the very one. Okay.

What was your thinking and taking it into court? And what you were seen looking at some passages? What were the relevant passages for you? All right. Thank you for asking me. Thank you. I didn't know. That didn't hurt, did it?

but a little bit it was this from Isaiah you're right but I did say you know be chilled sometimes I lose

the chill man it's pretty is this it's a great I mean it is a lot to choose they in the old gallery but

remember he just said it's a hired spot this is from Isaiah gotta go for a proverb he has no idea what the fuck he's doing yo shout out

Pierce though for just letting them sit. Yeah, that's good. That's some good interviewing right there. Let him stew in that. The split screen is so good. He really does look like that pigeon lady from home alone too, man. Bro, that's me looking at any menu in a restaurant.

I'm so indecisive trying to figure out what the fuck I want, bro. Only look at Pierce. Pierce is like, you stay on him. Russell looked like he wanted to look up and say, what's good here? The verse that I was looking at, that day was not this. I can't actually, I can't actually find the verse that I had that day. But this is good enough.

This is from Isaiah 12. I'm going to be honest with you. I never watched that whole thing. That wasn't as bad as I thought it was, bro. Really? Because it seems honest. I couldn't find the verse that I was looking at that day. Right.

But that was the Bible he brought to court. So you think he would have it. Have it marked or something like that? Raleigh. I get, all right, man. I'm still tripping off the verse 16 that he put out there. Okay, like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was wild.

Which one? Chapter 16. You know what I'm saying? Like verses, that was wild. It's just, you feel like, you know, when someone goes to jail and then becomes religious for the food? Yeah, yeah. Like, don't you feel like a little bit like, all right, did you really find God or

were there circumstances where this was advantageous for you? And that's what this is, like, reeking of it? little bit. What is he fighting though? What's the demon? Like, what is going on here? And women keep getting older. You know what I mean? He's like, Lord, help me. These women keep getting older as I get older. What's going on here? Lord help me, Lord. Let's pay some bills. No, he had to start reading a book where a woman becomes a woman at 13. He's like, I'm in the Old Testament, bro.

Man, imagine looking for a script. Imagine looking for a scripture to try to justify your sin, man. You know what I'm saying? Yo, God said at 13. What you want me to do? I'm a believer. I'm a believer. Oh, my God, man.

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Ooh. Probably next. Can you give us a little teaser? It's stay tuned. Okay. What did you think about? I don't even want to talk about that. Do you give a fuck about that?

I don't even know about it. Which one? The first one. I could care less. I could care less. I could care. I'm married. I do want to, oh, you know what,

I do want to talk about in regards in that situation, Paul Pierce's comments. Did you hear Paul Pierce's comments? No, what did Paul say? Let me pull up Paul Pierce's comments. The reason I want to pull up Paul Pierce's comments because earlier this week on- We set the context of what the combo is?

Yes, this is what Paul Pierce said. Well, I'm going to tell you the truth about NBA players or even people in the limelight, like movie stars or football players, a lot of these holes is seasonal holes. And I ain't saying that's Megan, but a lot of these, a lot of these chicks be seasonal. It'd be cast that I'd be talking to chicks during the season.

Then after the season, I won't talk to them all summer. They go live where they live. And then when the season start back up, they back in rotation. It could have just been seasonal for her. So they're buying houses together and introducing to families. I'm cracking. I can buy this house, sell it. I'm still living the dream.

Like, he's still living the dream. Yeah, that's so hurtful. No, but I'm just, it's not me saying this. This is not me. I'm telling you. Who else is saying it? Like, this is, I'm telling you to react. Women need male homeboys.

Women need male homeboys for conversations just like that. Talk to me. Because those are the type of conversations I have with my home girls, especially my home girls who are in the industry. You know what I'm saying? who might be dealing with dudes in the industry. Like, I either do one or two things. I either give them those type of warnings

or I say, man, don't let me out of it. You know what I mean? Like when they be like, yo, what's up with, you know, such and such, you know, people, I got home girls that are asking me about other guys that are in the industry, I don't want nothing to do with that.

The reason I don't want nothing to do with that because if that person breaks your heart, it's not on me. It ain't on me. You know what I'm saying? If that's something that you're looking to pursue, you pursue that on your own. And if it grows into something, great.

You know what I mean? But if y'all just have a little fun with each other and y'all fucking keep it moving, that's cool too. I don't want no parts of it. But that is why women need male homeboys to have those kinds of conversations with him. And you got to listen to Paul Piss. Paul Piss lived it. He was an NBA motherfucker fucking player. You know what I mean?

One of the best to ever do it. So if he's telling you how NBA players move, why wouldn't you listen? It's really Why are people giving Paul shit for this? No, no, no, no, no. I just was looking at a day because when we got on the air Monday, I just couldn't believe

that this was such a topic of conversation and I was just like, yo, this is why women need male homeboys because I would have warned one of my home girls about dating the NBA player. But they gotta know. Especially if you're already in the industry

and have dated athletes before. You should absolutely know The assumption should be, like, the assumption should be, this is the thing I don't get sometimes about women. It's like they'll say things like all guys cheat, right? All guys, not even NBA, like all guys. And then you start dating the most cheatable guy, which is professional athlete on the road,

five days a week. Yeah, yeah. Out there, girls DMing them constantly. and then they cheat and people are like, I can't believe they cheated. And it's just like, but you believed it before.

Yeah. What happened? Yeah, yeah. And the craziest thing about this if you watch what she put on her Instagram, clearly they had a conversation. And the conversation was, I can't be monogamous.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I can't be monogamous. Now, people can say, well, he should have said that from the start. Sometimes, man, you and a person having some fun together and then things start to get a little heavy

and you gotta dip it in the bud like eh let's chill and they when they were like what he bought a house number one number one I don't even think that I don't think that's true I don't think he bought her a house even if it was I think he bought a house you know what I'm saying and whatever but my thing is this what is that to a guy that's made 400 million dollars

exactly what's a house like what is that to them is nothing it is nothing for him to spend the couple of dollars on another property. Even buying a car is nothing for him. That's a regular guy taking you on vacation. Him buying a house is a regular guy taking you on vacation. If a guy takes you on vacation, then it means he's going to be faithful.

In vacation where? Everybody acts their wage, guys. Okay? Everybody acts their wage. I've seen some wild things in my day. You get, you know, you're dealing with a Dominican and you get her a Michael Coors bag in a limo. she love you.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh my God, that's like a... That's my boo. But for me, that's nothing. Not me. You got a whole other family in DR. You see what I'm saying? You got a whole other family in DR.

You see what I'm saying? You don't need Michael Corzbett. You see what I'm saying? Fresh pair of chunkling. Women need male homeboys. And I'm going to tell you something else. They even take it out of women. So you all can't twist this as misogynistic.

I got homeboys in the industry. I can tell y'all about... I'm not going to do it, but I can tell y'all about a situation in particular. I'm not going to name the name. I got a homeboy younger dealing with what was dealing with an industry woman that was older, like older, like in her 40s, you know?

Oh, wow. Yo, what you think? My brother, have some fun. That's have some fun. Because that's all she doing. I'm telling you right now, don't get your nose open over her, okay? because she's here for a good time, not a long time. She's all right.

Don't get your nose all open over her. I'm telling you, all right? Look at her history. Look at what she just got out of. This is just going to be, you're here for some fun. And she's here for some fun. That's okay, too. And that's okay.

And guess what happened? Exactly what I said was going to happen. Okay? I think we just got to have different standards. Like, if you care about monogamy, you shouldn't be dating an athlete. Simple as that. And then if you go into it going, this guy's not going to be faithful,

and then he is, imagine how good you feel. And then a younger athlete? This guy got too much testosterone. Wait, is he younger than, is Clay younger than, man? What I'm saying? He's older than Meg,

but he's still a younger athlete. He's not even 40 yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's still got so much testosterone. Honestly, a retired athlete might be more dangerous. Damn. Because.

They have all the energy. They got all the energy. Damn. And they're not getting the same praise they used to get. So now they're like, I need my praise. Damn, even if it's a private workout. Shack is out there DJing to replicate game seven.

You know what I mean? He literally said that. He's like, it's the close thing that gets me to game seven. He's DJing, Shaq. One of the greatest basketball players ever playing in history. The spinning records to replicate game seven. My God. All the entertainment jobs, athlete, actor, rapper, what have you,

which one is the least likely to be faithful? The least is athletes. Affly, definitely. Over actors? Yeah. Yeah, because athlete's on the road all the time. There's still some stability with actors. You know what I'm saying?

You could be there. You know what I mean? Like, unless you're going to Doug Christie it, like his wife would be on the road with him every single weekend at the hotel. And I think he was a virgin before they got married. And that's like a fucking unicorn. You know, like it's, nah, dude.

If you're dating an athlete, forget it. Yeah, athletes. Athletes on the road all the time, city to see. But they're more public than an actor. Not really. We don't know what athlete's doing there all time. If you date a football player, you getting cheated on. More than NBA?

Yeah, because people don't even know who he is. He wears a helmet all day, so he's got all the money, all the anonymity, and he's retarded. So he might even think he's single. I agree with that to a certain extent. The fact that people don't know who they are is what slows down the amount of vagina they probably get. It's worse than NBA players because they got so many options. because you see them, you know they face. Guys don't need that many options to cheat, my brother.

No, not to cheat, but I'm just saying it's thoughtful for NBA players. Wilts Chamberlain don't get to those numbers if he's a football player. 100%. You're not going to get to the numbers, but Arnold smashed his nanny. Or the housekeeper. So it's not like...

Arnold is a different breed too, though. What does that mean? Because he was a level of superstar actor that a lot of people don't get to. That's the Terminator. That's as high as it goes. And he was a sex symbol walking around with the fucking breed.

saw in a little meat out, you know what I mean, diesel is a motherfucker oiled up. Like, women had him up on the wall. Like, they wanted Arnold, bro. We need to interview that made. You know, to me. Because that must have been a fever dream for her. Arnold's on top of her pumping away with his accent.

Yes. She could have never imagined that would be a thing. And he never had a one-night stand. And he left it in. You know Arnold never had a one-night stand, right? You always told him I'll be back. Dad joke for the win. Dad joke for the fucking win.

That's what Jay-Z was talking about when he said you don't act young. You know what, then you act your age. That was the dad joke for the win. He smashed her. He fired her. And she was like, I'll be back. Damn.

She came back with a bitch. Yo, she came back with a vengeance. Yo, fucking the nannia is crazy. She wasn't even. The maid. The maid. She wasn't even. I mean, we haven't seen her.

I can't say. Yeah, see, I thought, no, that's all right there. What do you mean? Ah, she got some. Yo, he did that just for the conquest, with all due respect. With all due respect. This is with all due respect.

That's why we got to, you got to throw that out there because he got a seed that's running around and he's like in movies and that kind of stuff. Really? And you swim in, look at him. Yeah, the guy's a bodybuilder. He's a bodybuilder. Oh, that's the kid now?

Exactly. So we talked about it. Wow, I thought that was a young Arnold. That's crazy. Hell it is, Charlotte. It is. It is a young Arnold. It's exactly that.

It's exactly that. It is a young honor, but I didn't realize. I'm like, oh, shit. He looks more like Arnold than his other kids. How old is he now? No, but he's out there in the world. He's doing great things. You know what, man?

God works in mysterious ways. He does. You know what I'm saying? God works in mysterious. God does. That is the vessel that God chose the nanny to be the vessel that gave you a young Arnold, bro. I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, his other kid is a successful actor. White Lotus. White Lotus. He was jerking off another guy. I blame the son. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, the other, the other, he was jerking off his brother. His brother jerked him off in the thing. Great actor. Crazy scene. Can we talk about that for a second? Not to jerking off of the brother, the Arnold thing, right? Yes, please. I'd love to. You're Arnold Schwarzeneg. Patrick Schwartz. Patrick Schwartz. I just call him Schwartz. Yo, I'd never seen him. I'd never, yo, that's a good-looking man, yo. He's a good-looking man. Wow, he's in Hollywood. He's a Kennedy, right? Maria Shriver's his mother so yeah Yeah, got some kids

How was Maria's mother? That was, hold on, whoa, whoa, who's the nanny's kid? No, no, Maria is, he likes Maria's. Shut up about that way. Who's, who's, who's? Arnold love of Maria, man. Who's the nanny's kid? Who's the nays kid?

The maid's kid. So Patrick is the maids kid? No, Patrick's Maria Shriver and Arnold's kid. Okay. And the other kid is named, what's his name? Okay, so Patrick comes from great stock. Well, that's a great. I mean, that's a great breed.

That's great. Joseph Baina. So that's not the guy y'all showed me the bodybuilder. The bodybuilder was Patrick. No, the guy we just showed you, the guy who looks more white. Okay. Is with Maria. The bodybuilder is with Mrs. Baena.

Wow. Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about that. Yeah, let's do it. You're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Whatever energy is over you. Yeah, it's over you. Telling you that you got to talk to this nanny.

Made. Made. What if? What if? What if? John Connor comes from the future. Or just something comes from the future, like in the movie, came from the future and said, you have to breed with this made right now in order to create this, you know, young bodybuilder. Like what energy took over him that not just made him have, that's what this woman, but they conceived a child.

That don't feel like an accident universally. That kid right there could father the child that saves the human race. You see what I'm saying? And what we're sitting here right now shitting all over Arnold for saving humanity. And we won't even know we might be dead before that happens. Yo, I'm really thinking about this

because it's like, you know, you're not supposed to cheat. No, but I'm just trying to figure out what energy came over him to where the universe wanted that to happen and then that child comes into the world Because everything happens for a reason, right? Has Arnold not had an incredibly successful track record? Is a man like that not incredibly disciplined?

We're talking about a guy that probably watched every grain of rice that went into his body. Do you think that he is not capable of discipline? Of course he is. It makes way more sense to me that a guy came from the future, came back to him and said, in order to save the human race, I'm going to need you to knock up that nanny. See what I'm saying? And make a literal clone of you. Look!

A clone of you that he might save the world or his kid might save the world or his kid's kid might save the world. And here we are, the peanut gallery, criticizing this man for saving humanity. We apologize. I don't know if we need to apologize. I'm just saying this is what brilliant is for, looking at things from other perspective. Is cheating wrong?

Yes. Is human race dying wrong? Yes. But he had a baby with the maid, and the baby has turned out to be another him. Have a baby by him? There's something that overcame him. I agree.

The spirit of that. child or something and was like, I got to come into this world through this vessel. That's the border. That was the border, bro. That was the border. And you know what Arnold is, an immigrant too. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying, yo?

He snuck another one in. Yo. He snuck another one in. Come on, yo. A Mexican. He's Austrian. No. What?

Oh, he's not a lot. Australian, he's Austrian. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand. I thought he was a Mexican-Australian. I never heard of any of that, bro. I never heard of that ever in my life. A Mexican would have been crazy. I did not know that. Correspondent dinner shootout. What did Bootsie say? The devil works hard. The devil works hard. But God works harder. I works harder. Oh, man. What do you think of the correspondent dinner? Getting shot up.

Man. Well, did it get shot up? I don't even know. I don't even know because they announced that first that they killed the guy. What shocks me the most is how quickly people got over it. That shit was in the like the conversation for a day. It was on Twitter for like a day. And two days later people were like, yo, Megan Clay broke up.

Do you know what I mean? Like how the fuck does that trend? Yeah, you're right. You're right. People involved in it got over pretty quickly. Ooh, what does that mean? What does that mean? We got a little conspiracy going?

I'm just looking at what happened. I'm just watching the video. You think Erica Kirk did it? No. But I think normally if you're the president and there's an assassin in the building they get you out of the building, you don't watch from backstage,

you see what's going on. And then I think when you have a press conference an hour later... We are living in a bizarre world, right? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the guy? I'm trying to be very aware of that, too, to be honest. Why didn't the Secret Service shoot a guy? Well, they tried to.

I think they hit him once. No, it was friendly fire that hit the other secret service. Yeah, they said he hit another secret service. Oh, I thought they hit him once. Yeah, I thought he was dead. Remember they announced he was dead? I mean, he said he was dead at first. What happens is he comes running in.

They shot at him. They miss, but they hit another guy as secret servers across the lobby or whatever it was. The guy trips and falls. So now the speculation is not that it necessarily matters that much, but he never actually fired his weapon. because if you remember I forget who the administration official was like well sometimes evidence disappears

which isn't yeah I saw that right the guy had a shotgun that was going to fire a buckshot it would be sprayed all over the wall he had a shotgun yeah so he was armed that motherfucker was fast you see the video when you ran it that motherfucker was quick like they tried to sign them the Bengals I'm telling you that shit

looked like fucking quick still we're running in there I didn't you know I understand everybody questioning questioning everything nowadays right like we just talked about that earlier. We talked about it damn to every podcast. You don't know what's real and what's not real anymore. The reason I don't like everybody rushing to say that this was fake is because it causes you not to have conversations that you should be happy. I like that. Meaning, if you read his manifesto, right, at some point you should say to yourself, man, what if this wasn't

fake? What if people have gotten to the point where this administration's policies have hurt them so much that they're fed up and they're just willing to risk it all. What if people are so fed up with government, period, that they're willing to risk it all? We saw it with Louise Mangione, right? That's the name? Clearly that is the case. Yeah, what's his name? What's his guy's name? Luigi. Luigi Mangione. Like, we saw it with things like that. So there are some people in this society who have been hurt so bad by government, who have been hurt so bad by

this administration's policies that they're willing to risk it all. Not saying it's right. No, but I also think there's like a mental health thing here too, which is like... A big mental health. Whether he was put up to it, whether he did himself. A guy was clearly... The question... He was?

I don't know. I mean, look, the question... Do you think Luigi was mentally ill? Yeah. Maybe a little less so, but... I mean, look, in order to... When you do this, just essentially a suicide mission, right? So trying to assassinate anybody is you're willing to kill yourself, right?

So I think there is a amount of mental illness that exists there. If you want to get into like conspiracy land, the question is, is basically like, has he been, did somebody find him on some forum looking really upset and angry and hating Trump? And somebody did some organization, who knows what that organization might be, did they continue to amplify his anger and continue to push him and nurture him and like, I'm sure that this happens on a regular basis.

I'm sure that we're not the only country where these things kind of happen and we might be doing this in other countries as well. So it's like, if that's the question, and then you want to know what that body is and what that entity is. That, to me, is a spirit. You know, Lee Harvey Oswald was probably mentally ill, right?

Well, aren't all of them? But once again, you know, but then who is the person that's feeding the mental illness? Who's he a patsy for? He was famously called a patsy, right? So in this case, is it an inside job? Did the government itself put this guy up?

Is it an outside government? Is he, I mean, the official story is he was radicalized, right? By whom? The leftist media and politicians, and they're to blame for this. Okay, right. But then is it another country? Is another country that wants us to do something? Is it another country that is upset with the things we are doing, right?

Like, you can look at this a million different ways, and you can see how radicalized people are by the Internet, but I think you need to be a little crazy to get radicalized to the point of death. Like, this is a suicide mission, so you're basically getting radicalized to the point where you're like, my life doesn't matter anymore, and I'm going to risk it for this.

Do you think unique in one spoon of chocolate was mentally ill? No, I didn't get that from him. But what drove him to do, what he ultimately ended up doing. The system that he was in. Well, no, I think that, like, I don't want without giving way too much of the movie, like, you know, there were some heinous things that happened.

The system that he was in. They were, the system that he was in was heinous. See, what we're doing is we're not even taking reality into consideration. By the way, we don't know what's real or what's not real. None of us in here could potentially be wrong. But if you just want to be careful that we don't make it seem like you're justifying the action.

I know you're not justifying it. They already got that headline going, but I'm not. I'm just trying, I'm just giving people another's perspective. The manifesto, the guy says, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. He said, I am a citizen of the United States of America. What my representatives do reflects on me. And I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. I would still go through most everyone here to get to the targets if we were absolutely necessary on the basis.

that most people chose to attend a speech by a pedophile rapist and traitor and are thus complicit. But I really hope it doesn't come to that. I hate to break it to you, buddy, but you got a lot more people on your list. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying?

If that's your limit, miss this, you got a lot more to take out. You see what I'm saying? But we live in a world where if you look at that manifesto, right? You look at that manifesto. He clearly gave you a reason

as to why he thought what he was doing was the right thing to do. Yeah, nobody's question. So why do we dismiss it as just fake? And I also want you all to think about something else. Has anybody been arrested for the Epstein crimes yet? No. I mean, maybe like not in America. Not in America.

No. So who? The one woman. The one woman. And Jeffrey after you're dead. So let's think about it like this. If we lived in a country where we saw actual justice, sir. Yeah.

Meaning that the pedophiles and the rapist that or in the Epstein files were actually, you know, charged and we saw the track. Do you think he would resort to wanting to take matters in his own hands? I think that maybe he wouldn't, but I think that there are other people that would for different things. And those are probably the people that are actually mentally ill. But rational thinking people would probably be like, you know what, justice is being served, the law is doing their job.

There's no reason for me to try to play vigilante. Yeah, a rational person would not do it. My point is just because you're frustrated about things doesn't mean that you can go around killing people. A hundred percent. But we're lying to ourselves if we act like that isn't always. That isn't sometimes the case. Yeah, sometimes there are people. Vigilante justice does exist.

Yeah, they, it does. Not saying it's right. As a civil society, we should push back against that. I am with you 100%. I'm just, I just think that we... You have been the victim of vigilante justice. A hundred percent. But that's why I think we shouldn't have, we shouldn't just dismiss all reasons why people do.

these things. I think we like to say that they're fake to make ourselves feel better. I think we like to say that these people are mentally ill or they've been pushed up to do it to make ourselves feel better because we don't want to think that, man, this country is really unraveling, bro, in a real way. I don't think that's why. I mean, you could be right, but I don't think that's why. I think the reason why, I mean, fake is a different thing. But, like, I don't think there is any justification for it, right? There are outlets for your frustration. You should definitely protest. You should definitely speak out against things. You should galvanize the people to make this types of change. And that has been effective throughout

history of the United States of America. God bless, we've been able to do that. But when you bring it to, hey, I don't like the way this is going. I'm going to start killing people. Somebody might not like the thing you're doing. And then they'll feel just in killing it. When we reward the act, and I think the reason why we assume it's crazy is because we understand that there is this social contract where we all take part in, which is I don't like something. thing, but I'm not going to go take justice in my own hand. Who's crazy of? People like him are our president for the rhetoric that he spews.

I mean, that is politically violent. This guy posted a video years ago. I saw this on CNN. He posts, or no, Charles Blow actually posted this on his Instagram page. Trump posted a video once where he was, it was like, I guess it was AI where he was beating up CNN. So it was like a person, but it had CNN. He was beating the person.

Who do you think? Who do you think is crazy? The president. I think, wow. Because he's the leader of the free world. He should know better. Oh, so you just have higher standards for help. Yes, I think that if you're, especially when they say things like, you know, you have to tone down the violent political rhetoric.

When they say that to people like myself or they say that to people like Jimmy Kim or whoever, you got to start at the top. Oh, I hear what you're saying. Because our rhetoric is in violent. I'm not calling for nobody to get shot. I'm not calling for nobody to get beat up. But the president has. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of him, would you?

Seriously. The president just was making fun of Robin Mueller last month. Right. Literally said, I'm glad he's dead. No, it's crazy. It's good, but that's my point. That stuff is also insane, and I think there's criticism. Yes.

And, like, I think the justification that you go, I think you could make more of a justification, through violence when it comes to like what's happening with foreign wars, right? Because now it's like these decisions are leading to the deaths of, you know, hundreds of thousands of people. This guy said he was going to wipe a whole civilization off the map. Right, right. But there, I mean, there are directly correlated deaths. So 100, like, you even look at what's happening in like Ukraine, Russia right now, which we've kind of just like forgotten about. But we're talking about. Jesus. I don't know, maybe over a million people have died and that fucking war. Some insane statistic

that we're not even kind of considering or even thinking about. So like, You could look at that and be like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why are these people engaging in this and supporting it? And over a million people, I might be getting that statistic wrong or fucking dead. Like, that's insanity. You start to go, that's insane. I get that, right? 100%.

But there's no way you want to live in a world where we don't think the people that try to exact, you know, political violence are crazy. You don't want to live in a world where we go, those people actually make sense. because where does that stop? It's a downhill. Exactly. But the problem is we're also living in a world where there's a chaos agent in charge. Yes.

And who's constantly lighting fires. Yes. Two things can be true and two things can be wrong. So, chaos agent. And, you know, are you creating an environment where these sort of things? Chris, don't do that. Don't ask answers. What do you mean?

But you don't, a chaos agent creates chaos. Right. So don't say if you're a chaos agent, are you? No, you're doing the CNN thing right now. Well, but now what they're going to say is down on CNN right. Now they're going to say is like which came first, the chicken of the egg, right? Because like now you guys are making the same argument that he's making, right? Everybody's claiming the other people are.

Exactly. So it's like the administration. What we know. But I know. But the administration is going to, I mean, like, they're being like issues between Democrats or Republicans preceded all of this. And the fact that. there have been like assassination attempts on presidents proceed at all. But to me, that's the evidence, right?

Now, Ronald Reagan was a Republican. I mean, that's the last assassination attempt that I really remember. No, Mama had like, well, I guess there's a difference between attempts and things that they thought. Well, that felt real in the way that, depending on who you talk to these Trump ones, feel real in a way that was different from Obama or any of the other presidents. People rallied around him on both sides when he was shot outside of the same hotel where the correspondent dinner took place.

And a lot of that was because how he reacted to it and how he handled the situation, right? Both in the moment and in the aftermath, there was still a sense on his part to bring people together, as I remember it. And a certain decorum, let's call it, if that's the right word. You don't think so? You're not wrong, but there's another angle. A lot of people rallied around it because the Ellison's own CNN, though. And so CNN, a lot of those people are falling in line at CNN. Okay.

Oh, you're like, like, like, like, what he's referencing is, is, uh, I'm saying both sides, you know, but I think, Democrats hated, I mean, you're referencing the, the rhetoric of Reagan specifically not. Oh, you're talking about Reagan. Yeah. Oh, no, no, I think, yeah, that's why you guys are just, the situation was people transcended the politics at the moment. And they're like, yo, our leader.

This is getting too crazy. By a mentally ill person, no question in, in his case, right? that's not happening now because of the environment that's being created by Trump itself. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'll be clear. Like, Trump created, now that he created to the point where these things are being staged as a lot of people, I will phrase that as a question because I honestly don't fucking know. And that's part of the problem right now.

Right. I think that the conversation that people have would be like, this is not the first time the political of violence has existed in the United States of America. Unfortunately, it's existed for centuries in the United States of America. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. Of course. Exactly. Of course.

So it's like, yes, there has been this like, you know, discourse and then there are crazy people or there are people who are, you know, inspired by organizations, whatever the fuck it is, no matter how far down, like the rabble who you want to go. But both sides are going to feel victimized in it, right? Like the people who get shot at are going to go, you guys created the environment where people hate me so much they are shot at. And then the people who not are supportive of the shooting, but the people who hate the people in charge are going to go, you created this chaos that makes people want to do. these things and they're both just going to yell at each other. At a certain point in time, we have to go, okay, guys, we don't want people to get killed here. It's like, you look at like gang beef.

You know what I mean? It's like, oh, you killed my fucking grandfather three, you know, decades ago. And it's like, okay, well, then you killed my uncle three days. It's like, okay, do we just do this until nobody's around anymore or is there a certain point in time or like there's a different way we could settle on. I don't think you're wrong shows, but I also think that, you know, once again, we got to look at all perspectives, right? Because it's not just violent rhetoric that's happening.

There's filing policies that are happening. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Those can be wrong too, by the way. It doesn't mean that those aren't also wrong. And it's not two gangs on equal footing. All these are from the west side, the east side. The president sets the tone.

Yes. The president sets the policy. The president sets the agenda. Do we ever think, Chris, do we think about Doge and the hundreds of thousands of jobs that Doge got rid of last year, all of these federal workers still haven't found work? People have lost houses. people have had loved ones that have died because they don't have health care. Even when you think about, am I a person that believes there needs to be border security?

100%. Of course. But think about their brutality of how some of this border policies have gone down. Of course, of course. But the question is, are you saying that it's justified because of it? No. So then it's like, so you, so that's how it's going to be consumed. Like, I don't think you're justifying it.

But if I was somebody who doesn't know you, I would go. Oh, he's saying that he deserved this and he made people get this radicalized through his thing. I think we have to deal with the reality that some of these policies have hurt people so much that some folks are willing to risk it off. Well, now you're justifying it. I'm not justifying it. It's just a reality. But now you're justified it. It's just a reality that you have to deal with. Am I, you feel like I'm justifying in my mouth?

No, I think you can extrapolate out that like was Osama justified, not justified, was like, Timothy McVeigh, all these other like political... You were making the argument that people make about Bin Laden, which is, well, if America wasn't doing this shit in the Middle East, then Benalada wouldn't have done it. I don't know. I'm not going to be saying that is the argument that they would make. I just think that we would be remiss to not take a step back

and not just have conversations about violent rhetoric. Let's talk about violent policies that people have been watching over the last year and a half and how a lot of people have been hurt by those. policies. And some of those people are willing to risk it all. Because to your point earlier, they don't have nothing else to lose, at least in their mind. Sure, sure. But I guess what I'm saying is we still go, it's wrong to do that. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just, like, you still have to deal with the reality. But you and I both know from knowing people that are

crazy that it actually doesn't take that much to get certain crazy people who do. Can you be driven crazy? You lose your house, your grandma dies because, you know, you couldn't afford health care. your grandma, I've been living here her whole life. She gets deported to some country or your wife or somebody that you love. He gets deported back to a country you never been to? Can you be driven crazy? I think you can be radicalized for sure. I think there's a lot of proof for that.

Sure. But again, it's like... I'm not saying it's right. I'm just telling you let's do with the reality of it instead of just dismissing everything and saying, oh, this is fake. Let me present a different scenario. You tell me if you feel justified. The border is open during Biden and there are, you know,

hundreds of millions of people that are. coming in the border. There are certain people who have businesses that now can no longer compete because their labor prices that are way cheaper. Their businesses closed. They can no longer be on health care. Their grandma dies. They're seeing their dad die. They're seeing their business fall apart. They have to sell their home. They can't sell their home. Their home gets foreclosed. Now they're not able to put their kid in the school that they were able to put it. And now their family is homeless and they're living. They get so radicalized. Then they try to kill Biden. Or would you go, Biden, if you didn't do that

violent policy, then it's... I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I don't agree with it. The United Healthcare CEO is the best example. I don't agree with that at all. But I can understand how a person is radicalized to get to that

point. I don't understand why we have to start dealing with the reality of that. Because if we don't deal with the reality of that, that goes back to what Tupac said back in the 90s. When he gave that whole, you know, analogy of people looking outside of this house. They're starving.

They don't have no food, can't afford to put food on the table. Their kids are starving. So at first they're asking. They're like, yo, we hungry, please let us in. We hungry, please let us in. Then they start singing. We hungry, please let us in. He said at some point,

they go kick down the door and start blasting, depending how dire the situation gets. I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in. You know what I'm saying? We are hungry, please let us in We are hungry, please let us in After about a week that song is going to change We hungry, we need some food

After two, three weeks, it's like, you know Give me on the food Wrecking down the door After year and you're just like, you know what I'm saying I'm picking the lock coming through the door blasting You know what I'm saying It's like you hungry, you reach your level You don't want anymore, we asked 10 years ago

Is that right? No But if we don't deal with the reality Of being able to understand that You can only push people so far Yeah I understand. You can only push people so far and I agree with you, right? Like, you know, there's some person that, unfortunately, I'm sure that they're like kid, like got cyber bullied and they took their own life. And it's like that dad is probably incredibly furious. Does he go and find

Mark Zuckerberg and exact justice on him? And would you understand it if he did? I mean, somebody might try to do that. But I guess, but again, once we start living that world where if you went through something incredibly painful, grueling and awful, and then your actions are, quote, unquote justified based on that pain, we stopped living. Not justified. Got it, got it. Understood. Understood.

Shots, we're here. But that's what I'm trying to explain to people. We're here. It's John Q. Yes, we're here now. And we're having the wrong conversation. Like, we're saying, like, we got to stop the rhetoric. If we stop the rhetoric, then these things will stop happening.

No, there's an inequality that exist in this world. So maybe, yeah, yeah. Maybe it's pushing people to this. Listen, I agree with you on that. It's like you can only push people so far. before they rebel. Yeah. And like people are being pushed.

You know what I mean? You've seen this before. What was the eat the rich? Well, it's, yeah, but that, I mean,

it's similar. I'm talking about like a French revolution type shit, right? Like, wasn't the French Revolution? Well, no, no, no, but like this is,

the people, cake. Yeah, it's like, there's no food. It's like, we'll let them have cake. And it's like,

you're so detached from reality. There's these people with so much wealth and people are struggling to have jobs. And eventually you just push people to the point like,

And I've said it's on a spot a bunch. It's like it's actually in the wealthy people of this country's best interests that poor people are not struggling because they will be the first people to exact that revenge, however they do it. That's all I'm saying. That being said, we hope that those aren't the measures taken because there can be people equally upset about a type of music, right? Heavy metal music radicalized my kid and then he did something like that. So now I'm going to go shoot this fucking, this like John Lennon gets shot in the fucking strong. street. You know what I mean? Like there are crazy people that do these things. And it's like, while they're incredibly real circumstances, before talking to this guy, yes, we've read his

manifesting. Like, yes, we've read this and it's like, we can understand these things and he's absolutely. But like, I know from personal situations, people who deal with mental illness are incredibly radicalized by things because it feeds the anxiety that they already have. Right. So it's like they think that, you know, they're dealing with this unbelievable anxiety and then they all start thinking, okay, God is talking to me or these certain people are influencing me. And then their behavior is kind of out of whack with society.

It's, you know. We have to find a way to, we have to find a way to take care of people. Yeah. Because we should all be asking ourselves, why do these things keep happening? They're not happening because of rhetoric, guys. I don't believe that.

I don't believe they're happening because of rhetoric. Because the reality is, who on the left is, who's saying that kind of rhetoric? it. Like they keep using, oh, you call them a fascist or you call him Hitler. Like that, I don't have anything to do with it, bro. It's the things that you're ignoring like the Epstein Files. The guy said it in the manifesto.

If there's this whole big document out there that is literally unearthing this huge pedophile child sexual abuse ring. Yeah. And nobody is being held accountable for it. It's just like in New Jersey. City when that dude was like, man, y'all ain't, that old man, y'all ain't going to do shit, I'm gonna take this shit into my own hand. That's what I see from this situation.

Right, yeah. So you're watching a person who feels like America's justiceism isn't working, so I'm going gonna be fucking Batman. Well, clearly. I'm gonna be fucking daredevil. Clearly it isn't working. Clearly it isn't. That's all I'm saying.

It's like, I feel like we, not we, but I feel like sometimes the media does everything to avoid the hard conversation. because all the news networks you have to ignore that manifesto because if you bring up that manifesto then you got to start talking about what Epstein none of them want to talk about Epstein

Why don't they? Right? Why don't that? Shit, at this point at this point everybody's this administration got their thumb on the scale CBS, CNN you know Fox's not going to do it

MSN, I don't even know what the fuck they got going on over there The only person having those conversations is still the YouTube podcast space. Interesting. That's all of the same. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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if you have heavier leakage, you could use the guard. Let's do some asking idiots, Mike. Let's do it. Yes, sir. Asking idiot Instagram, Bigfellow underscore Meek says, when is the next guest on idiots we need Donnell back? Hello. Donnell, man. I saw Donnell the other night

at the cellar. I don't know how it shows feels, but you know, we got guests on breakfast club all the time. Y'all got guests on flavoring all the time. When I come here to do idiots, I just want to kick it with my guy, man. You know what I'm saying? It's a tough thing. Like, Donnell is, I will say, unique in that he

has, like, history on the show. Yes, yes. Yes. So if we have people is probably just people who fit into that. But it's not exactly like an interview show. It's just us kind of here, waxing poetic. You gotta know, you gotta be a brilliant idiot yourself. Exactly. Like, like, there's certain people I do like, like you said, Donnell. Donnell. Glasses Malone. Oh, glasses. I like glasses.

Zori back in the day. Zuri Hall was a good, brilliant idiotist guest. I don't know if Zori will do brilliant idiots at this point in her career. Now, we get her back, huh? That's my girl. I love Zeroy. I thought to talk to the story I was talking to her yesterday. I love Ryan Davis when he came on. Ryan was good. Ryan was good. Ryan was good. He has the ethos. Ryan was good. But yeah. So you never know. Who knows?

Andrew, the outlaw. Andrew, have you ever bombed? And what was the most memorable one? Oh, yeah. So many times, man. Oh, my God. Let me think of like a really good way. Like a really good, good bomb.

I mean, I've told a million times about when I got punched. I had a bottle thrown at me on stage. I had a lit candle thrown at me while I was on stage. And I saw the candle light go out. as it was approaching. So like the win from the throw made it go out. I'm trying to think of like a fucking really good

like a really good painful bomb. Let's circle back on me on that. I'm going to think about that. Brown underscore butter too with one of the ultimate greatest brilliant idiotous questions I've seen in a long time. Locked in the room

with Dennis Robin or Mike Tyson both coked up on Blue Chew in their prime. Who comes faster? I'm taking Dennis. I think I got a better chance fighting Dennis. Mike in his prime? I think I got a better chance with Dennis.

You're losing to both. The question is like, no, I didn't say he's losing. It says locked in a room with Dennis Robin or Mike Tyson, both coked up on blue chewing prime. I think I could take Dennis. We're talking about sexually or what? Well, you got to understand.

You're not asking me what I'm going to do this. him to get up out that room. What is he going to do to you, is the question? Nah, no, no. See, I've watched, first of all, salute to little Dickie, Dave.

He has an episode, I think it's called Paws. Okay. Where he gets out of a prison rate. Through? Great episode. Great episode. By offering to give consensual head.

And then he goes down there and he bites that motherfucker off. Oh, he bites it? He bites it all. I mean, bites the head off, spitz. it out. You see the big, big head fly across the goddamn room. That's when I love that show so much, not because it's just of that episode, but...

His podcast with Benny Blanco. Oh, it's really interesting. Really good. I've gotten into it over the last. Oh, so they're committed? Like, they actually pod. Oh, they're doing it. And at first, it seems just too loose to all over the place. But they dialed it in? It's dialed in, and they're getting a good mix of guests, and the people are opening up.

It's a good show. Really? I mean, I've seen clips of it. I've never watched it. But yeah, I'm going in there with Dennis. Yeah. And that's how, that's how I don't know if I would try that with Dennis. That's actually more of a mic move.

Yeah. Me and Dennis got to go head up scrapping first. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because he's taller than me. So I don't have to hit him in the face. All of this is open, baby. Kidney shots, ribs. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to the gut with it. All of the dick. Like, I feel like I can drop him with some body shots and get him to fuck up off me. I love that compliment. You know what I'm saying? I love that. And trying to fight with a hard dick, you blue chewed the fuck up and coke, the crazy combination. Yeah, but you're going to need to get something out of that dick, man.

Because here's the thing. Who do you think lasts longer in sex? Like, Mike is known for first round knockouts. So I feel like, exactly. So if you're in there with Dennis, he's going to take you for hours if he wants. I'm going to grab on his dick and swing. He's 6'10. Yeah.

I'm 5'6. Yeah. I'll latch on to that motherfucker and start doing pull-ups. I will not let go. You remember on fucking that fucking that. Friday movie when fucking Kat Williams had that goddamn wrench or whatever it was and he locked it on the Terry Cruz's balls. That's how I would latch on his dick with both of my hands.

Okay. And now you got to make decisions. Now you got to make decisions because I'm not letting go. Hit me all you want. I'm not letting the fuck go. I know a great bomb story. It's not even that great story. There's no like ending that's fun, but I was in Columbus, Ohio and I was bombing so bad.

Why did Dick make you think about that? Why did me swinging on somebody's dick make you think about that? I'm trying to think. I don't know. The pain. Okay. Yeah, the pain. And I remember I was just bombing so bad that at a certain point, I was just bombing for so long that I just got bored.

Because it was like, now we all bored. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like I wasn't even trying to win them over. And I actually, I put the stool on the stage and then I got and I stood up on the stool. So I just, I stood on it with my feet. So now I'm standing on the state and then on top of the stool. And I probably did like the last like 20 minutes

just standing on the stool. Damn. Just anything to keep like. That doesn't sound easy to be honest. Well, I think there was like. I think in my head I was like, I need to, I need a challenge. Right.

And I'm not winning this one. So I need a different physical challenge. But oh man, that was a fucking, that was the one where you like, you think about that. What did you learn from that experience? I learned it, uh,

eating like an ice cream cookie sandwich after at the hotel. Oh, that, that almost takes it away, man. Like I, you know, like the Spunkmire or something like that? It's like a chocolate chip cookie ice cream sandwich. And I remember I took down one of those, man. That's why you're a successful comic. You know how many comics would have went to cocaine? You went to a nice ice cream sandwich.

That's it. You know what I'm saying? I bugger sugar. Just some nice regular sugar to hit you. I got halfway through that sandwich, bro. And I was like, you know what? I'll get them next time. I'm pretty good at comedy.

You see what I'm saying? I got good balance. You see what I'm saying? Quay Mersey underscore says, what is the gayest thing you thought about today? Swinging on Dennis Robin's dick. Yeah. You know, biting it.

R.H. The Great says, do you think hip hop would be the same today if 50 cent outsold Kanye in 2007? Fantastic question. The reason that is a fantastic question is because I feel like that was the moment the music industry shifted away from hardcore gangster street rap

and decided to try to find more people who fit the Kanye aesthetic and that's where you get your drakes, your Kendricks, your Coles, your wallace, your cuddies, you know, all of those individuals like that who literally essentially were the sound of shit, since then, right? Really? Like the game hasn't shifted back to street culture rap. Not really, for the most part.

I would say with the girls a little bit. Explain. Like sexy. You know, like there's been glorilla. Like there's been a little bit more to. I think that's Nikki and Cardi, though. That's like downstream from Nikki. Yeah, I give Nikki and Cardi that.

But I don't see Nikki as like a street. Well, it's just from like Memphis in Chicago, you know, like that whole. The drill scene. Yeah, that seems pretty gangster. But it is, but it's not mainstream enough. Exactly. Just think it hasn't hit. They didn't have the success of a DMX, a snoop, a 50 cent, a GZ, like TI.

As anybody since that. Just from a sphere sales. Drake. Not a street rapper. Not a future. Oh, when you said, has anyone, did you mean has any genre of rap or has anybody street? I really meant across the board. Yeah, Drake.

Kendrick? I don't think he hasn't sold as much. It's impossible to sell. It's a different type of sale. Different type of sale. But you could make the argument that more people are consuming their music than we're consuming. Musically, you'd rather have a career like Drake than DMX.

Sure. Musically, you'd rather have a career like... DMX sold more records, I'm sure. Yeah, but like physical copies. But it's like actual hours of the music consumed. I think these artists are just because of the access. It's not even close. Yeah.

It's not even close. You, like, the careers that a Kendrick have had, a Cole have had, Drake have had. These guys have been consistently hot for a decade plus. You know what I'm saying? Like, they weren't a few albums and then longer. Yeah, it's not even, yeah, it's not even close. You know, that's another thing, like longevity and music, especially in what's popular. Pop music is usually a few-year window for something new, cool, and rebellious.

Yes. And I'm putting rap in the pop category as it became like the foremost genre of music consumed in the world. To be able to do that over one decade is incredibly impressive. To be able to do that over two decades. I don't know. Like how many rock bands? Oh, I can tell you. I put together a spreadsheet on this one.

Tell me, please. Like that's a... So the artist that I calculated had the greatest longevity of all times. Elton John. Oh, yeah, yep, yep, yeah. And then Stevie Wonder is up there. I mean, Stevie Wonder's first act was like in 1962, 63. Sure.

And he had a very strong run into the late 80s. Patty LaBelle. I think my, I don't think she, her head, had he been around for a long time. You're number one. I might be made, sorry, go Miles went. Rolling Stones. Stones, uh, 63 to about 83, yeah.

But I mean, they toured up until. Oh, but tour. You can't count touring. You have to count. I'm talking number one hit. Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. That is the impressive thing. Elton seems to be the guy.

And Elton did something with M even later in his career. But he wasn't on the original song. He did that at the Grammy. Right, you're right, right. But yeah, yeah. I'm trying to find this spreadsheet. I actually put it. Let's end on this because that's a good note.

That's a segue into this. Because this is longevity, right? I thought this was good. Jay Lee did an interview with the New York Times. Listen to what he said. Remember, hip hop was about the gift of discovery. That was it. When you went to school, you couldn't have.

have the person that was already good. You have to say, yo, I got the new tape of somebody you never heard of. And it actually told the story of you. That's why hip hop became so big. Because everyone wanted to feel those feelings. I tell people all the time, never fight against the future. Future's coming. Artists, they were trying to recreate something that was already done.

But they're not connected to it like that. They're not living it and breathing it. They were fighting against gravity as opposed to telling their story. We needed that other side. We needed to hear about what happens when you've had four successful albums. What happens? What is that feeling like? How do you make the next one?

How did you get in the studio? How are your kids? How do you interact with them as this hip-hop dad? But if you're trying to make young music and you're not young, It's going to be inauthent. And people could feel it. You can smell it. You know how Elton John continues to have number ones?

Decade after decade after decade. By leaning into whoever he is in that moment. Not by trying to recreate something that he made 20 years ago or going into the studio and trying to do the sound that all the young people are doing. Let me lean in to who I am in this moment. When you're having these conversations about, longevity, that's what this is. The people who will be around in any industry are the people who are not afraid to grow, evolve, and give you themselves on that journey, give you, give you a piece

of themselves every moment of that journey. I'm not the same as I was when I was 20. I'm not the same as I was when I was in my 30s. I'm not the same as I was when I was in my 40s. Name name, name them. I guarantee if you watch go watch Chappelle killing me softly and watch Chappelle now. It's not the same person. Things he talks about are different. Andrew, you

you couldn't make the life. You couldn't do it. Ten years ago. Obviously not. Yeah. You couldn't, but the reason you were able to make the life. Yeah. Because you lived life. Yeah. You leaned into who you were as a late 30s, early 40s, something year old man. Yeah. Trying to have a baby with your now wife.

That's how you continue to have longevity. And it's so funny because I'm watching people, you know, talk about that Jay-Z clip and there, it's just, I don't know how y'all turn this into he's hating on Drake or anybody. He's literally telling everyone how to maintain longevity. 4-44 sounds, nothing like reasonable doubt. But isn't that an indictment of the consumer, not of Jay-Z?

the consumer hasn't grown. Well, the consumer's still young minds. I don't even mean that. Like, if you immediately jump to Drake, is that how you feel about Drake's music? Ooh, that's a good point. Daisy never said great, right?

He's probably spent it from himself in his position. Absolutely right. But if your knee-jerk reaction is to either defend Drake or hate on Drake, whatever it is. Fantastic point. I think that says more to how you see him. Yeah, why would you think that he's, why would you think Jay-Z is talking about Drake?

Do you feel like Drake makes too much young news? This is like the Trump pedophile question. Yes. Where was that? What was that? Where the reporter from CBS said in the manifesto, you know, they said the government is run by pedophiles and murderers. I didn't write anybody. I'm not a rapist.

I didn't rape anybody. Oh, do you think he was referring to you? Excuse me. I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person? I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say, Epstein or other things.

But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably, I read the manifesto. You know, he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any of those things. Oh, did you think he was talking about you? Exactly. Oh, you incriminate yourself for the answer. Yes, yes, yes. Richard Dixon famously said, I'm not a crook.

And why? Was somebody saying there's crooks in office? Yeah, they're accusing him, and then he says, I'm not a crook. And then that's like his famous quote that got him cooked. And they were saying that was Trump's, I'm not a crook. Interesting. Can I correct myself very quickly? Yes, I found this spreadsheet.

Uh-huh. It's actually Paul McCartney. That was my guest, too. First number one hit, 1963, last one, 2016, 54-year run. The 2016 one was with Kanye and him, right? Yep. Yeah. Unbelievable.

Elton John had a 28. David Bowie actually had a 48-year run, too. So out of contemporary artists, it's really Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Beyonce, actually, an 18-year run. Unbelievable. Wow. If you look at her hits. By the way, all artists who are not afraid to grow, not afraid to evolve.

They don't sound the same as they did on their first albums. They're talking to you about their life experiences. What Jay-Z said is so true. Talk to me about being a dad. Talk to me about, you know, being married. It don't matter if it's boring to people because it won't be boring to everybody. I definitely think that, like, Taylor Swift, for example,

has changed musically. I don't know if she's changed. And I'm not the biggest Taylor fan. But I think the criticism would be like, oh, you're talking about this heartbreak from this last relationship you went through. But that is the refinement. of her life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe you're getting to see, you're hearing about these things she's experiencing, and then you're getting to see, like, the creative version of it. So maybe that's enough, girl. I just want everybody to not be afraid

to act their age. That's how you have longevity. I agree. That's how you have growth. That's how you have evolution. I promise you, if I was still... Your fans are getting old, too, your fans are getting old.

And by the way, me and Duval was just talking about this the other day, man. You got a bunch of older people who try to cater to young people. The young people, if you're catering to young people, that shit changes every three, four years.

Because you're older, much longer than you are younger. That young shit is only like a four or five year window when you're actually considered young. You might be younger than other people. But young to me is teenagers to about 19.

After that, you're not really considered young anymore. The game changes, the game moves. If all the OGs are trying to act like the young people, Who are the young people going to look up to? Also, you don't have to make art about your lifestyle or your experience. I mean, we talked about Elton John. Elton John's never written a song in his life. He had a writer who would, you know, Benny and the Jets?

What the fuck is that? No. Bernie Tappet. He famously had it. He just cares about the music. It's all about the melody and the song. He doesn't. He's got to have an idea.

I can't believe Ellen's never gone to the studio and said, you all got an idea for a song. Look up, look up. Bernie Tappen, his longtime collaborator. I mean, did Frank Sinatra write? Frank Sinatra doesn't write songs. Beyonce doesn't write songs. Beyonce has mad ideas. Beyonce produces.

But my point is... Michael had writers too. Michael Jackson, but you had ideas. The art is in the song. It's in the melody. It's in the chorus. It's in how it makes you feel. It's not directly tied into like,

well, I'm 20 now, so this is what's happened to me at 20 and I'm 40 now. That's what, you know... That's where rap is unique, I would say. But also limited. Yes. That is true. It's limiting in that.

Like having a... Go, go, go. I think it's limited because you have a lot of people who, until recently, were afraid to grow. This is the first time we've seen Jayzie on 4-44 talk like this. Kendrick Lawyer, Mr. Moran is a big step, but he's much younger than a lot of these guys. But to hear somebody talk about the things he talked about on that album, different. Nause is literally talking about having brunch on Sundays. That's great content.

Yeah, but common. Yeah. The clips when they, well, what are 90% of number one songs about at the end of the day? Depends. No, I mean, there's always one. Girls. Love. Love.

Emotion. That's it. Forget about clothes or brunch or whatever. Yeah. Just think about falling in love. Think about breaking up. That's it. That's the form of.

Most relatable thing. It's the most relatable thing, but you've got to live life to do it. The human experience, the real human experience will always have people gravitate toward you. And to me, that's what causes longevity. If you're around long enough, if you're around long enough, to continue to just let people come on your journey with you and just give them the real human experience of your life. I don't think you can lose like that in any way, shape, or form.

And I'm telling you, a lot of y'all right now, y'all going to look real stupid in the future because y'all are afraid to grow up. And some of these people right now that are commentating don't even realize how much the game has already passed in by. Because there's other people out there in the space that folks are going to for what they once went to, to you for because you're still trying to play that young man's game instead of growing,

evolving and showing people where you are now. I know for a fact I couldn't be in the space that I'm in now if I was still doing shit that I was doing 10, 12 years ago. Yeah. Imagine me at 47 sniffing seats. It would be hilarious. No, it wouldn't. Y'all motherfuckers be like, get the arrest.

That motherfucker's not in the files. Arrest that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Like, no. No. As always, man, you've listened to this podcast. You think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the brilliant of idiots. Thank you for listening.