The Brilliant Idiots - Saturday Comes Slow

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

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Yep, Shalamanagat. Andrew Shoe. You all the brilliant idiots podcast. Back for another week a brilliant idiotness, baby. Yes, sir. Heseky Walker. They thought they wasn't

probably getting a show this week. Andrew's out here on a phenomenal press tour for the life. Who did you do this week, man? Breakfast Club, man. That's the one I know about. You did Breakfast Club?

Breakfast Club was fire. You did Sheet. I did Sheet. I was dope. I did shayshay, I think, last week, actually. Was it last week or a couple of weeks? Then it finally came out. Uh-huh.

So a bunch of these I record before. I did a shout out to Lettie, man. I did that- Oh, Letty, you did Brownback? She's the best, though. They're great. They got a great crew. And I went to the W.W.E.

That was cool. That was cool. That was cool. I wanted you to send that to somebody, man. Yeah. Only here's the thing. Yeah. There's a lot of, no, no, you just want to be petty

just a little bit. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you, I empathize. You know, there's sometimes, you know, people, people might be frustrated when you're living their dreams, bro. And here's the thing. Like, I'm not living your dreams. I'm living my life.

Living your life. But that's always the best reply. Yeah. Because here's the thing, no matter how much somebody doesn't like you, there's always tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of other people who do. Man. And that's the best. It felt good.

But I was just telling shows before we started the pod, it's like, you know, you can have a show, right? Like the life is out. The life was, what, number two on Netflix. Yeah, we were number two on Netflix. And then we were top, we were the number one comedy special in the world. Yes. And then we were top five in the world of all TV. So not just U.S.

But like, and that shit was crazy. Like, you know, that was insane. So when you do that. Yeah. And then you do all of the great press that you're doing. Yeah. You can't expect to go online and see V. videos of people actually seeing good things.

They're not going to do that. Like, there's not going to be no reaction videos that give it up and be like, man, you know what? I really enjoyed the life. You know, you know what? I really enjoyed him on Shayshay. I really enjoyed him on, you know, Breakfast Club. They're not going to do that. There's no money in that.

No. There's no views in that. No, no. No, get your money, yo. Get your money, man. As long as you talk about me, we're good. And that's all that. As long as you talk about me, I'm not talking about you.

We are good. Because the algorithm don't know the difference. They really don't. They really don't. And low-key, all they've got to do is bring people back to the special. And then once you watch the specials, you make your decisions. That's it. Hate watch.

Hey. Yo, people always begin. Hators pay the same price of admission. Howard Stern said that a long time ago. There was a study that shows people who don't, people who didn't like Howard Stern watched like three times as much than people who actually did. So what's don't like? It sounds like you really.

You like haters. Kyle Williams said it a long time ago. Hate is just because. infused admiration. It's okay. It's okay. And you know what? Profits let people convert.

That's right. That's right. That's right. What was your favorite one? Like, what did you learn? Oh, God. You're a podcast host, too. So this is the thing.

Honestly, I'm learning so much about just, I never cared to be famous. Like, I knew being famous would be a byproduct of my goals with comedy, which is to be like, the greatest, right? So, but I never, like, cared to be famous. So I never tried to, like, learn what it was to be famous or that kind of thing. So I didn't realize how offensive you have to be in, with fame. Explain. Like, the second your name garner's views, people will use your name to get views.

Oh, yeah. And make a living and react to your stuff or whatever like that. Like, obviously we know there's so much like reaction content out right now. and yeah there's another thing just about like reaction content in general it's like it's very popular it is it's very popular but and then once you get to a certain amount of followers and a certain amount of success people use your name for those views and that's like part of being successful like you have to pay the cost of that but my reaction to that was just like I'm just going to ignore it and keep on putting out art yes yes but also you also got a snipe when

it's ready to snip. You also got to take exact shots. You don't have to talk about the people. You could sub the people so you're not actually saying their names. Oh, subs are so good. Oh, and then hit the top. There was a time I didn't used to like subs, but subs are so good. It's almost better because then they come screaming and you're like, what are you talking about? The subs I like, is when you're not even sub in a person, but the person, and by the way, they should do that. If I was a person who had a podcast about podcast or I was a person who did reaction videos, even if I wasn't subbing that person directly, I would take the clip and say that person's talking about me.

Oh, and they will. Why not? 100%. It don't hurt. 100%. Because the 3,000 people that watch those individuals will be like, yo. For that specific reason, that's another reason why, like, I don't want to make it about the Kendrick thing, but I didn't respond to the Kendrick thing for two weeks until I got confirmation.

Because before, I'm like, I'm not going to go say response. I don't even know if it's about me. Then once I get some confirmation, I go, okay, whatever. we feel a little bit more conflict. Bro, you're promoting a special. It's okay. It's like, we don't got a fucking vain. Why are we complicating this?

Somebody said that to me the other day. They were talking about, we were talking about Stephen A. Smith, and they were saying our Stephen A. Smith is going on this press tour for LeBron. And, you know, they was like, Andrew's still talking about, Kendra, whatever. I'm like, why not? Well, they're asking me. And that's what I said. I was like, yo, when Stephen A's going on these platforms, they're asking him.

When Andrew's going on these platforms, they're asking Andrews. but why wouldn't you? So here's the thing. And by the way, you're talking about two of the greatest goats of all time in their field. Right, of course. So you got LeBron and the NBA. Why wouldn't Stephen A. talking about it? You got Kendrick and rap.

Why wouldn't people ask you about it? Why wouldn't you talk about it? Every single person is going to ask me 100%. Okay. So what I was saying about like being offensive, right? So knowing when you got to like take shots at certain people and like squash certain narratives and me for the most part, I kind of just ignored it. I was like, I'm just going to keep on putting out great shit and think that's what it is.

That only works for your core fans. The casuals really only consume the hate. They only know you from that. Somebody might only know you from that. They only know you from hate. So you almost have empathy for their perspective on you because all they know is a headline and like a line that you say out of context, right?

And I'm that way with people. That's how I think of Megan Markle. Megan Markle could be the nicest woman on a planet. I only know a headline and something she says out of context and I'm like, what a raging bitch. Jesus Christ. I don't know. That's why I didn't like you.

No, I'm calling myself out. I'm calling myself out. They're going to take the clip. And all you go hear is Andrew Schultz calls Megan Markle a raging B word. Damn, bro. God, damn. What the hell is wrong. I understand what you're trying to explain with shit.

So, and then here's another thing I realized, right? So it's like, I brought all these, like, different, I try to bring all these different people on my podcast, right? And I'm like, one, because I'm really curious about different people and I want other perspectives. And then there's another part of it, which is like, I want people to know that about me, that I am curious in all these different perspectives, right? Casuals don't listen to your pod. No. They only consume what hits their airwaves.

So I realized when I was going to all these different pods, like the best conversations are the ones where that person thinks I am one way, and then we get to discuss it. Because what you think of me, if you're just like reading headlines and that kind of stuff, you find out is quite different once we sit down and have a conversation. And then they get mad because they like you. Then they get mad because they feel like they actually understand you. But what you said about...

And that's the difference started to cut you between, like, for example, when Shannon's putting out clips on the internet, it's the casuals that already think away about me or attach themselves a clip. And then you look at the episode and the reactions are completely different because it's people actually listening to the conversation and getting this, like, holistic view. So now I realize, like, I got to go out there and I got to do more of these pods. I got to do other people's stuff. But I'm the last year, I'm like, I'm busy.

I'm touring. I'm doing pods. And I'm a dad. So where is this time? That is a very interesting perspective. I feel like personally, and I could be wrong about this, I don't feel like you should go on any of the runs unless you're actually promoting something,

but the reality is we're always promoting something. Like, if we wanted to, we could go out and promote brilliant idiots all day. You could promote flavoring all day. Like, you know, I'm on breakfast club every morning. We could. I got books. The books are always out, you know. Audible originals are always out.

You got specials out. You could always promote shit if you wanted to. But I also feel like you did that early. in your career. Like you would go on Fox on Kennedy's show. Like you would go on, but you'd also do daily show. You'd do these different things and you put yourself in these different spaces. And then those people were forced to consume you at home, not at an away game. When they come to watch R pod, that's an away game for them. But when you go to their favorite podcaster, that's going into their home. So it's very hard when you're in someone's home and you're willing to talk about

whatever. Because that's why I say every person I had an interview with, I go, ask me whatever. you want to ask me. Get it out. It's interesting, right? That's why I've always, even with brilliant idiots, remember, I used to always say, like, this is for the people who listen. This is for our brilliant idiots collective. But God damn, this shit done leaked out to the world. I said that, I was doing an interview with Will Kane at Fox News today. Will King. Yeah, and I told them, and I said something to the Fox News people, I was like, listen, whatever one of you is assigned to the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you. You're doing a fantastic job.

But low key to Will's credit, he said that he was like, I think you guys are the most important show in politics right now. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I'm like, what's it called it? But he's like paraphrasing it. But he's essentially like, you guys are friends that are having good faith conversations about political issues instead of two different teams that are trying to win.

To duck on each other. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's right, though. That's true. Somebody at MSNBC told me, I'm not going to say her name, because I don't know if she wants to be put out there like that. But she said the same thing.

Who? I don't want to say. But I think I sent it to you. I think I told you about it. Yeah. She said the same thing for that exact same reason. And listen, I don't know if that's true or not, you know, I enjoy doing anything. I go to breakfast club every day.

You know why? Because I enjoy doing that. Because whatever's happening in that room is a good faith conversation. That shit was fun, bro. I love doing very news because whatever's happening here is a good faith conversation. Yeah. Like, these are people that I talk to. all the time. Me, shows, Chris Taylor.

Like, that's actually what gets you in trouble. Bro, what is? What is? When you're just too comfortable Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best entertainment. Because you start getting loose and you start, and you stop being protective of what you say. And then once you're really being loose, what you say can be, you know, set out of context. But in retrospect, like, I'm thinking about all these things. Like, when Ryan Clark put out that like 10-minute, like,

soliloquy. You got to go on to pivot, Joe. No, that's immediately. I'm like, I should immediately been like, all right, let's discuss it. Because you have a lot of opinions on me. Why don't we have a conversation about those opinions? Yeah. Like, I absolutely, I should go. Did they reach out? You know, what's funny?

It's like they had, I think Shihidi is involved in it. Who the fuck is that? I think he's the guy who he runs Nelk and he runs a few other pods. So he was asking me way early on. But since then, no, they haven't. But absolutely. All the reason I said that, because I've heard you mentioned him. I heard you mentioned him on Breakfast Club.

You mentioned him on Shea, Shea, yeah. I think you. I want to go. I want to go. Ryan would have a fantastic conversation. It's the same thing that we do with every one of these people. It's like, of course, we're going to have a good conversation. Because I'm not there to make you look stupid.

I'm going to listen to what you have to say. I'm going to give you, and when you make good points, I'm never going to discredit the good point that you make. The Pivot is one of my favorite podcasts. That is a place. We got to start saying that more. That is a place where good faith conversations happen. There's not a lot of platforms nowadays that are having good faith conversations.

People are either doing things for ratings, are there setting, you know, this conflict shit up because for views and likes and things. Who's having good faith conversation? We should start talking about those platforms more. 100%. The pivot with, you know, Channing and Fred and Ryan, they always have good faith conversations,

which is why a lot of men go on there and be so vulnerable. Because they feel safe. Yes. I like that. And that's the other thing which, like, I guess I should have been more forthcoming with it. I guess there's this part of me that's like, I'm like, if you want to talk.

about me in the situation, like just message me. Like, call me, you can get it in touch with me through you. Like, it's so easy to get in contact with me. So when I, when there isn't that effort to get in contact with me, I'm like, oh, you guys are just going after cloud. Because you could talk to me, and I would come on your pod and I would talk to it.

There's not a person I won't sit down and talk to you. If they've built something. If you're just like a random person, like with a fucking TikTok account, just like bickering, you haven't built something to justify the conversation. If you're someone who's built something, I admire that.

If you're putting things out every single week and you're willing to be judged by the world, I admire that. It's noticeable. I mean, listen, here's the thing. We only, you're only going to talk about somebody you respect. I'm not going to let your name come out of my mouth

if I don't respect you. I said that. I said that on Shannon. I think that they're really good. Yeah. Like, I compliment it. I said this about Kendra too. Like, I admire people who put out art to be judged.

That's a vulnerable, scary thing to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I admire that. Like, do I disagree? agree on certain things, yeah, but I still admire. If you're a reaction channel, most of you have never put out something to be judged. You don't know what it's like to work really hard on something, give it out there to the world for them to hate it or love it. That's a vulnerable, scary thing. You just hate things. Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day.

Me and Ack was having a conversation and I was thinking about like, why don't I respect the reaction channels anymore. I used to enjoy them for entertainment. And that was what the reason was. There's no vulnerability in it. Not only there's no vulnerability. You know why we love first take? You know why we love like we'll watch Fox Sports? Yeah.

Because they'll have people on there who've actually either played the game or been so involved in the game that you respect what they're saying. It's a reason that like a podcast, like the R&B Money podcast with Tank and Jay Valentine were. Yeah. Because Tank was an R&B star. Jay Valentine's a producer or writer. Like, they've had actual success.

So when they talk about the game and the industry, you listen. And that's why when they, like, the L.A. Reed, Smokey Robertson is going in and have conversations, it's a different vulnerability they have with those guys because they respect them and what they've done. The reason, like, you know, you watch some of these reaction channels or you, you know, watch some of these podcasts about podcasts. You're like, you don't even know what you're talking about. And you haven't even had the success of any of the people that you're talking about. And you haven't even felt the judgment when you do put yourself out there. Like it's a very comfortable like low risk position to do shit on things. It is the lowest risk. It's low risk high reward.

Oh yeah. If it hits it hits. That's why everybody does it. It's the easiest form of content. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just I'm going to sit down and people are going to try hard on things and I'm going to shit on them when they fail. And I'll never congratulate them when they succeed. No. Because there's no money in it. You should thank us. Yeah. When y'all succeed. Yeah. You should literally at least twice a year say thank you. You're welcome. That everybody that you're talking about. Yeah, 100%.

To me. But, no, it was enjoyable, man. One thing I enjoyed about the club Shayshay interview, man. I don't know if Shannon even caught 95% of the jokes that you were shooting at. I think he caught the Lulu Lemon Yoga joke. But my favorite part, I had to rewind it to make sure I heard what the fuck I heard because I still don't know what happened in this moment. Okay.

And we can add it later, but Shannon is talking to you about, what was it, black men dating white women? What was it? I don't know. I don't remember. Maybe. I think it was about black men dating white women, and you were like, why are you mad that my friends are true

or something like that? I don't know. I was joking about how black men get intimidated when they see a white man with a black woman. They're like, I don't know if I could get behind that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember what it was.

I just remember you go, you flipped it on me. You go, what about you, man? You go, you start doing that show when you rubbing your hands. What about you, man? Do you only exclusively date white women? I don't know what Shannon thought you said. He just didn't give a fuck. Shannon goes, I go, I'm celebrated, not tolerated.

I say, oh, shit. No, I'm telling you, Dr. Humor is the goat. I tell you, he is the goat, the greatest of all time. But no, Charlamagne keeps it true. Yeah, yeah, Charlemagne. Y'all got a pod together. That's what I'm saying. You know, and, you know, so it's, uh, what about you, man?

You date, you date, uh, exclusively white women or what? I, I, look, I go where I'm celebrated, not tolerated. Oh, holy. No, oh, shit. Unk, you must have missed herd me. I think I was like, did he miss him? Did he miss him or? He was like, nah, man, fuck that.

Nah, unquested Dr. Uman talking about. Black queens forever, snow bunnies never. I said black queens forever, snow bunnies. I said black queens forever, snow bunnies never. Okay. I'm like, what the fuck? That shit was, but he said it since he looked. I go, I'm celebrating.

Not tired. And I was like, holy shit, because I like the honest. I'm like, you know, I know you might catch smoke for that, but I'm like, if that's how you feel, shit, that's how you fucking feel. And you didn't double down on it. You just let it go. I did? Maybe I didn't realize what he said.

I don't remember. I got to go back. I think there are some things that were like, maybe. little bit edited in there. So I saw some things that were kind of like thrown in. Like jump cuts. Also like, yeah, like some after we finished recording, there was like some questions they asked, you know, they're like, we need to get these as well. Also, too, man. Do we need two and a half hour podcast? Do we need three hours podcasts? I mean, I'm asking, I really don't know. I really don't know. I really don't know. Is this, do we need three hours. I love all of the guys that do long

long form content. Yeah. I don't want to take three days to get through the pod. Yeah, I hear you on that. I think people are at work for a long time. Three hours? People work for like nine hours. Yeah. Every day. I treat podcast the way I treat books. Yeah.

I want to get through it. Yeah. So three hours, bro. It seems like a lot. God damn, man. Give me an hour. Yeah. I listen to the weekly show podcast with John Stewart every week.

It's like an hour 15. Honestly, I think an hour. I mean, here we are talking all this shit while we do two and a half hour podcast. But I do agree with you that one hour number. remember seems like pretty lovely. Yes. Yeah. 60 minutes.

Yeah. In and out. Yeah. Three and a half is crazy. Get to what we need to get to. You might be right. God. Maybe it changes.

And also maybe it's better because there's so many more pods. So now you get to digest. You get to digest more of them fully. Yeah. You know? What do you think, Chris? As a, as the pod father. What is the benefit of doing three-hour podcast?

You don't have to. to do much editing and prep, you can just let it flow. I think an hour is a little light. I think if I looked at an hour, I'd feel like, unless it was a very tightly controlled, situate, conversation, if you're not really in it. Yeah.

90 minutes is great. 12 years ago, 12 years ago, when the podcast first started, what were the links to them? Like, what was Combat Jack? Combat Jack was out of control. We were doing two and a half, three hours. But it was a bunch of people in there.

And then we didn't think anybody, but it was listening, so what did it matter? What about the read? Tighter. 90. 120. What are our original ones were? Same.

Same? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, thank God for the podcast world, man. Yeah, shout out to y'all. Where will we be with at it? This episode is brought to you by Accenture.

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I got two minutes. Let's go. First I want to thank my fans for being a realist. Now let's get down a business on this crazy, baby. Head bopping, bro. Oh my question's on my mind It's questions on my mind Is still in my music

Making all this money Don't even send you to my books For commentary No I'm in this place I know I don't desert it No It's questions on my money

It's questions on my mind And did I build you up When I wrote you all How you're not going to show me love I can't look at him or this. Why? He's about to be innocent, bro. If I listen to 20 more seconds of that, he's innocent.

You may cut it out. If I look, that music is crazy, bro. Music is absolutely terrifying. How effective music is? If I listen to another 15 and 20 seconds of that, it's free R. Kelly. Because you want to listen to him guilt-free. Thank you. You want to listen to him without having to think about that other shit, yo.

Yeah. But that's always been the problem with R. Kelly. Yeah. Because, no, listen, because the music is about what he's dead. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? I didn't even put that. Like, I can watch Cosby Show.

Cosby Show ain't about what he did. But this is about what he did. God damn, bro. What about the Free Willy song? Huh? Oh, no, that was Michael Jackson. What? I believe I could fly.

But full disclosure, I've always respected. I believe I could touch the sky. That was fucking Space Jam. Yeah, but that could have worked. For Free Willy? That song could work with anything. God damn. What else could it work for?

I've never been a huge R. Kelly fan. I've always respected the talent. You know, they play that for, for gays in Saudi Arabia. They shut the fuck up, man. Before they send them off the building, brother. Shut the fuck up. They start playing it. They come up to your apartment.

Nile's here. Big Naila. Give me another by any memes necessary. He don't need to do it. I'm like, what? He don't need to do all that. Who that? Bawa?

Ah, damn, Taylor pregnant. She don't give a fuck. Taylor's great. Taylor's not hearing today, but she's, why, what the fuck? Why would we want to talk about this? What am I missing here? Bawa, I don't see.

I had a problem with Bawat Crying. Bawa, about to be 40, man. Sometimes those are tears of joy. You 40 years old and you're on that stage doing the Millennium Tour again? Still. You know what I'm saying? got records that are still selling out arenas.

No, you gotta be great for you. And you've been doing this shit since you was five. You gotta be grateful. No, you gotta be great. Y'all keep playing with Bywow. Hey, Bow Wow's a fucking legend. Legend. Bywile's a icon living, bro.

To me, to stay. That's Nila's JZ. You said that to me before. You definitely said that to me before. You told me that was your Jay-Z. So why is he your JZ? I've literally never called him my J-Z. You've definitely said something like that.

No, I did not. That was my childhood crush. Oh. It's a difference. Oh. So that was your Michael B. Jordan? Yeah. Oh.

Mm-hmm. But they bow-wows that guy. Bow-Wed, I remember seeing Bow-Wall on the Arsenio Hall show rapping with Snoop. It is all of these years later. You still on toy? I tried fucking too. Bro. To be in entertainment for 30 years?

Come on, man. Longer for him, right? 30-plus. 30-plus years. That's an unbelievable accomplishment. Era after era, this game likes new and likes new a lot. I don't know, you know. Say again?

I keep thinking about that too. That's another thing I've been thinking about. Does this game really like new? I think this game likes new depending on what the new is. I don't think this game like, put it like this. When I think new, I think of Drewski, I think Akis and not, but those are people that we can look at and see are going to be around for a long time. Oh, it loves greatness.

I don't think it loves everything. No, no, no, the game rewards greatness, but your eyes look for the new shiny thing constantly. And then that's why you see a lot of things pop up, and then a few months later, they go away. So do we really like new or are we just curious about it? Okay, this game is very curious about new. But it also doesn't like respect old.

I think they like new things to happen to old. Sorry that? They love old as long as new things are happening to old. Yes, you have to reinvent yourself. Like the Beatles putting out a song, an album where they're using like instruments from India you've got to change them up

you got to keep people on their fucking toes I think nostalgia's back more than ever they're wearing baggy clothes they retro and everything that's just cyclical like it always comes back around with fashion and think about the art most everybody they like in media

most everybody they like in music well I'll keep it to media it's like 50s of 40 50 year old we're the coolest Joe Rogues almost 60 we're the coolest generation bro that's the thing The older people, right?

Yeah, us old people. Like, where the coolest people have ever existed in the history of time? The youngest person in the room is shaking their head. But she dressed like us in the 90s. Exactly. So how are you gonna sit there? How are you gonna sit there? With a Black Effect, with a Black Effect Varsity on.

With a black-fit. A old nigga created that ring. Nike dunks cargo pants from Old Navy. You got literally Charlemagne in my outfit. Eat a fucking slice of pizza. A slice. A slice. You got old school New York that is?

Yeah. Y'all even have slices. You got to buy a whole pie. All right, all right. Engine turtles was eating pizza before you was born. She got the... Y'all got the coolest niggins. Y'all got the coolest niggins.

Y'all just got... First of all, I'm the coolest knicker. I'm the coolest cracker. She got the AirPods with the wires on it. Look how old is she wanted to be. You want to beat us so bad. You know what I'm saying? So bad.

This is not that old. Yeah. I don't be wanting to charge the headphones. But no, I think nostalgia, I think people are attracted to finding, like, gyms in old school music. Because it's great. Because we're the greatest.

generation that's ever lived. It's not a question whether we are. It's not just your what you grew up on. It's even sounds older than that. No. Yes. Like Big X the plug, he does all these 70 samples. Seventy samples are a thing now. People are doing... A thing now? Well, I'm saying... It's been a thing forever.

No, I'm saying the thing as in like, it's popular, like, to your point of saying... We sampled the 70s and you guys are sampling us sampling the 70s. We're not sampling y'all sample the 70s. We actually sampled in the 70s. Nah, you don't even know what the 70s. No, that's not true. I think that big X, the plug, is probably sampling something you heard from the 90s that sampled something from the 70s.

You've done both. Name one year in the 70s. Name one year in the 70s? 1972. All right, good, you got it. No, what? Nostalgia is the shit. Nostalgia is the shit.

You don't even got to bring it back in a cool way. When Calla was popping on Snapchat, he was 40 plus. You know what I'm saying? Like to nostalgia, people like the... You know why I also, too, I think because older people know what they're the people know what they're doing. You know what I'm saying? For the most part.

Like, we've been around long enough to know how to do this. Y'all been marinated long enough that it's time to cook. Are we been cooking long enough that we know how to cook? Well-seasoned. Y'all are the ones that are marinate. Well-seasoned. Yeah, yeah, cool. I think you just want authentic shit.

And you guys live in a generation with very little authenticity. Every picture is Photoshop. Damn. You know, every video is manipulated. You don't know what's real. And then you look back at our shit and you're like, oh, wow, back in the the 90s, things were real. Those pictures, that's what they look like.

Those outfits, that's how they dress. So there's not like makeup and shit that's making us look crazy indifference and there's no catfishing in the 90s. You get what you get. And y'all took out the best evening, but it's coming back now. Which is?

Toxicity. Oh, that didn't go nowhere. What are you talking about? Nah, la, la, la, that did go. It's all in our R&B. It went from being in our rap to now being in our R&B. But see, the thing, to your point,

I agree with you, but I think that nowadays it's more manufactured. We didn't know we were being toxic and problematic. I think now there's some people who purposely are trying to be toxic and problematic. They're trying to push the envelope. We weren't doing that. We were just being.

So why would we want to bring that shit back? I don't know. You just say, y'all missing. No, no. It's good when it's done right, when it's actually authentic. That shit is trauma. No, you laugh. We laugh.

Yeah, you laugh at some traumatic shit. I do not. No, niggas need therapy. That's why- God damn, that's problematic. Yeah. It's nothing but white people in hand, you just keep throwing around the N-word. Chris just left.

God, Chris left with you offended. Chris was, well, God, I can't be around this show. You came in here and dropped 17 N-words in five seconds. No, that was crazy. I'm done. That was crazy. Why do you think they need therapy? Because they're being spoken about like that.

No. Well, all y'all need therapy. God, damn. That's true. You know that we are as individuals. We're taking therapy all the time. We're learning about ourselves. We're bettering ourselves. Yeah, but that's because y'all, well done. Y'all been cooking. Y'all already been seasoned. I like that. Marinated. You know, now- So we are the way we are. We don't got to change.

No, no, no. Evolution could definitely be done on both of your behalf. That's a conversation for another day. I like my sticks meeting while. Listen, we're always constantly growing. I'm not going to sit here and act like we're not. You're constantly growing and things will change you. Like, you know, I got four daughters. And they're all range in ages. and, you know, you go through different things. Like, my oldest is going to junior prom tonight. Ooh. No.

Tonight. Ooh. Whoa. Tonight, you know what I'm saying? What's the rules? I just, I got, well, you got the driver, you know what I'm saying? But I had a whole conversation. I'm just having a conversation with her just about, you know, life.

What's the rules, though? Is the driver going to and from? Is there an after party? Yeah, did they? No, she don't want to go to the after party. Because she's responsible and she got cheerleading competition tomorrow, and we got a meet five in the morning. So she don't want to.

want to go to the after party. They don't even call it the after party. They call it after prom. She don't even want to go to the after park. She's coming back because we leave at 5 in the morning. I'll tell you some funny shit though. We might have to edit it. Probably is that dad, by the way.

He's that dad who is just not. I'll tell you some funny shit. This is what I learned. I'm like, so who you going with, right? And it's like if you don't have a boyfriend or you don't have a girlfriend, it's just groups of kids that go together. Hell no. Right?

So like the group of girls go with a group of guys, right? But what I found out was her. was her original prom date at the reign of the country. What? Illegal? His family

and so they... I feel like we shouldn't be talking about this. Leave her alone. No, no, this is... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop.

I said you have to do it. No, he... Salomein might be the most protective father in history. You called ice on your daughter... Yo! That's right. You know, ICE asked me to go on a ride-along. And?

Shut up. They did. I promise you. They asked me to go on two ride-along. Sounds like you went. No. I haven't. Make it left here.

I got you. I do want to go. The reason I want to go is because I want to see what the process is like. I want to see what's happening because of stories like the one I just said that we might probably got to edit out. But because of stories like that, I want to see, well, how are y'all making these decisions on who goes and why? Like somebody, we were having a discussion about it.

on Breakfast Club this week. And I'm like, look, if there are illegal immigrants who committed a crime, they gotta go. It's not a question, right? Yeah. But what if they're just illegal immigrants? But if they're just illegal immigrants, is there a process?

Do they got to leave? I think there should be a process of citizenship. If they're not committing crimes, they haven't been arrested for anything, and they can prove that they have stable work, I think that there should be a pathway to, like, a green card or a pathway with this, like... I think that, I mean, yeah, we spoke about this before.

That's what I asked Trump. Yeah, like, I want that. That's all I'm saying. That's all that's all. I'm wondering about that. And I want, that's why I want to go on the ride along with ICE just to see who's getting picked up and why. Yeah. If you're picking up a legal immigrants that's committing crimes, I ain't got no qualms with you.

And you know what else I wanted to do? I wanted to see how past administrations did it because nobody deported more people than president or why. Yeah, so how was he getting them out of it? That's what I, and who was it? And who was he getting out of here? Yeah, and why the fuck did he let one of them date your daughter for a few years? Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean?

They weren't dating. They were not. That's supposed to be your boy. How you know they wasn't dating? And you didn't get a phone call or nothing. They wasn't dating. What do you mean they weren't dating? She'd have told me if they were dating.

They wasn't dated. My wife would have told me. Oh, shit. They wasn't dating. Oh, shit. Oh, they're not. Well, guess what? If they were sign-in-ar-in-a-law.

It's audio. Adios, whatever the fucking would. Okay. Whatever the fuck. All right. Get the fuck out of here. But no, that's just the dad in me. You know that's fucked up.

You know that's the best. We're not mature enough to have these conversations. I'm not mature enough to be a dad. That's fact. I'm really not mature enough to be a dad. You call ice on your daughter's boyfriend. That is a fan of it. You don't have a boyfriend.

It's not a boyfriend. Oh, it's not anymore. So now what's going on with your daughter? They all want the problem. They all with another group. Oh, they still go with the group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, you know, the group's missing somebody.

I wouldn't see the drive. I didn't see the dress, I didn't see the dress either. Yo, dads are the worst. Go ahead. Hey, I have to question. You ain't seen the dress. No, I got, I had to do the part. You damn near ruin tonight.

I had to do the part. So I asked my wife, I said, yo, do I gotta be here for the... No, I did. And she's like, oh, it's the junior prom, it ain't like the senior prom. All right, cool. Yeah, I'll see her when she come home. I guess, like, what I'm supposed to do. Like, you know?

If she doesn't have a guy who she's going with, and there's a little bit, because you don't have to, you know, intimidate him or anything like that. The other thing, too, man, being a pops, man, it's like, it's certain shit you think you're ready to do that you, like, you're not ready to do. Like, my daughter takes driver's lesson. She got her permit now. She's going to go out for her license in the summer. I ain't, I wrote. I tried riding with her one time. The way my anxiety set up, like, no, not.

Not happening. Nah, bro, no, no. Like, the wife goes out with her, shows her how to drive. You got woman on woman driving? God, damn. I said, look, like ice, I'll ride along with y'all. I'll sit in the backseat. I want to see what's going on.

You know what I'm saying? I'll sit in the backseat. You drive, let your mom be in the passenger seat. I'll see what's going on. I can't do this with just me and you, y'all. And my daughter knows me. She told me yesterday, she was like, I don't even want to drive with you. Because I know how you get.

Cool. You know what I'm saying? That's all. That's the best we're going to be able to do. I don't know how to... I'm a dad. Yeah. But I want to have a relationship with my daughter's

almost on some friendship. Yeah. You know what I mean? I want you to trust me. Know my faults. I know yours. Know my strengths. Know what I'm into.

Know what I'm not into. If you know that I'm not going to be comfortable riding between the practice, you don't even put me in that position. I think that makes a lot of sense. You know what I'm saying? We're going to get into a fight. We're not going to get to a fight. I don't want to be pussy in front of you.

What do you mean? I hate rollercoaster. Oh. Can't stand roller coasters. What I've tucked in my rollercoaster fear. Because my daughter's like rollercoaster. Right. Well, why should I have to do that?

Yeah. Who says I can't set up boundaries with my daughter? I don't, if this is not what I'm into, this is not what I'm into. Yeah. So it's the same thing with her driving. Let your mama go out the end of it. do all the day. So wait, you would actually be afraid being in the car with your wife and daughter. What?

You too, Chris? Okay. Yeah, why we, I'm going to. Andrew. I want to invite you. Because they're women. No, no, no. Because they're women, Chris.

What did you think I was? They're ladies. They're ladies. I want to invite you. Yeah. To the great country of Taiwan. Yes. Yes.

You will see the most immaculate driving, the most beautiful driving. Google the car accident in Iran in Taiwan, right? They stop on a dime. You don't even, you can walk out in the middle of the street. It's incredible. Yeah. I want to change your. No, I think Asians are amazing at driving.

First of all, can we let the listeners know something? Chris is not Asian. Listen, here's the thing. We've been doing brilliant years, but what, 12 years now. Some people are new to the podcast. Yo, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. In 2023, Taiwan saw nearly 7,000 deaths from accidents and adverse effects. That's light.

Hold on with motor vehicle accidents, accounting for roughly half of all accident-related deaths in people over 15 years old. I meant Japan. Did I say Taiwan? 7,000 is light. No. America got way more than 7,000. Yeah, you got way more people.

Really? Than Taiwan? Oh, Taiwan. Yeah, not China. You always automatically. Yeah. Taipei is great. I don't know about the rest of time.

It's all good, bro. We can't be good at everything. They're good at making chips. You know people think Chris is a DEI hire? He is. They're like, I wish y'all get that Asian off the podcast. No, he's our Asian Jew. He is our Asian Jew. That's a good combination, though, Chris. What, Asian and Jew? Asian Jew. When he said, over the world, baby.

Say, what, you started it. Wow. Don't start it now. Don't you start it, Chris. You say something like that. Wow. That goes wild. Age, age you young. You don't want that.

Is that what you want? Is that what you want, Chris? Jesus Christ. Straight Man is a red flag. Let's play that one. What is that? Oh, this Dogey. My biggest dating red flag.

Is it being on the DL? You're on the right track. I have my answer. Ah! Is it close enough? Are you? You want to guess one more time what would be a red flag for me? Bad music taste?

Oh, that is a good one. Because that's one for me, for sure. That is a good one. What do you mean? You don't listen to Michael Jackson. But, okay. Okay. This is a huge red flag for me. All right. You're a man.

Yeah. And you're heterosexual. Yeah. I was going to say, so technically, because my mind was already there, I don't think I deserve to eat a wing. I think you do for it. Okay, so basically, Dochi was doing hot ones, and she revealed being a straight man is the biggest red flag for her. First of all, I think people don't understand sarcasm. Yeah, she's clearly joking.

That's what I thought. Like, when I saw it. I don't think she's coming out of the closet. She's just trying to- Well, she's talked about, one of her biggest hits is the dial is a river. And she talked about in that song, how she used to date a man who she thought I was on the dial-low. But she, so she dates and she's queer herself. Oh, what is she?

Queer. I don't know. What does that mean for y'all generation? I don't know. You know what she does that's really- That's your 19th nigger. Whoa. Jesus Christ.

I said, I don't know. No, you don't even know you're saying it. You're so racist that you don't even know you're saying it. That's the German in you, yo. Chris, can I? You know she's German. Yeah, now I know. Anyways.

Listen, Chris, can you tell me your thoughts on this? And I need your people's feedback here. I noticed that Dochi wears these things that, like, they're like these straps that go on her eyes. Right? And it's funny because when I do it, it's really racist. It was the serious tone of it. Yeah.

But they, I actually feel uncomfortable doing, but they do essentially make the eyes look like they're a little. I know, you don't have to do it. You don't have to pull anything. I'm not going to pull it back. We get what you're saying. Chris, can you tell me how your community feels about that? White Jews? Sorry?

Irish Jews? How do we feel about it? Yeah. You're really distancing yourself from China. Isn't it crazy? This is crazy. Yeah, why are you acting like you're not Asian? Invite an actual Asian on the show and then you can ask all the questions at the same time and hear from...

You're a fucking Asian. Stop praying. We've had Asians on before. Yeah, we had. We had Aquafine on. We had Eddie Hong. China Mac. China Mac.

You know what I'm saying? Good episode. And then we have you every single week. So just, can I just get the, and it might be, this might be like... Well, you know, that was a real thing historically in Hollywood where they wouldn't cast Asian actors. they would cast white actors and actually use tape to pull their eyes back. I believe the Good Earth was a famous example of the famous movie in the 30s. Yeah.

Damn. Yeah. Now, I understand the aesthetic, right? You get this like the shape to your eye that a lot of women use makeup to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like where I think that it's called like a cat eye. I didn't even realize though she was knowing that. I thought that was makeup this whole time.

No, I think that she has the things. And I don't think, I think, you know who else does it? Charlie X, CX.X. I think it's called like taping or something that, women do. I'm just curious how the Asian community feels about it. I'll check in. Say again? They don't give a fuck. Asians be out here living their life. Like Asians don't give a fuck. They don't get a they too working. Yeah, Asians living their life. They building shit buying up the world. Like they don't give a shit about little petty stuff like that. I don't

think they do. So then back to this thing. Like I interpret that as just like a joke. I interpret as a girl being like, uh, these straight dudes are, you know, like, Like, dudes can be shitty or, you know, dudes you date them and then they go do something that is annoying. I assume she's just being sarcastic. Even if she wasn't. What's wrong, wanting your man a little gay? Now, that's crazy. That's crazy.

What you mean? You want a soft meat push up against? It's the little gay. Yes. You want your meat rare. Not rare. It's medium rare. You know what I mean?

Just the little blood around the butthole. Oh, come. You know what? You don't want just a little blood around the photo. Yeah. We're not mature enough to have these conversations. Why don't you all don't you all listen to us, man? Okay.

Now, do you like your men a little gay? No. Not at all? Not a little bit. How do you feel about doing Asian face? About what? What if she meant gay from like a perspective of, uh... She didn't say even gay.

She just said being a straight male is a red, black. Well, she said just said men. Yeah. The straight male is a red flag. That is true. But we are red flags. Even though I don't believe in red flags, person. Give us another by any means necessary, ma'am.

You want to be watching another main success? Yeah, what is that? What's that about? Their skin look great because they're releasing their precious life force, just masturbating. You beat your dick to another man's success. If you watch porn, you could say, yeah, I'm watching this push. No, you're watching that dick too.

And you're beating your dick to another man's success. You're not fucking at all. That's facts. You're not out engaging with the world and meeting shit and going through what it's taking. You're not doing that. You're not working on yourself. You're cheating. And then guess what?

After you do it, you feel bad. Because if you ain't feel bad, why are you sneaking and doing it? Talking about you having some meat time. I just, that just, I just can't. Like, I just don't watch point. I've never subscribed to see no woman on Onlyfans. Not one time. If a woman was on OnlyFan, I wouldn't even know.

Yeah. Because I'm not about to flirt with that spirit of tricking. Like, if it only costs $1, bitch, I'm not paying $5.5 to see you naked bitch at all. You can't. Taylor got to be here for context. I don't need, like, I'm so confused about that clip. Was he against masturbation? I don't know.

I think all of above. Yeah. I got no clue. Oh, there's the white women clip if you want to watch from the Shannon. Oh, we're going to play that back. First of all, there's nothing wrong with masturbation. I wish I would have started masturbating earlier. When did you start?

I hadn't started masturbating until I was like 17. But was that because of the skin bridge? No. Why do you wish you started earlier than 17? Because I have a theory that it makes your penis bigger. I got about three inches, I got about three or four inches of unaccounted for a penis that's like deep back in this motherfucker. I'm serious, man.

Every man does. Listen, see, y'all, and this is what you get, you notice when you start to know yourself. Every man out there, I promise you, feel back as far as you can. There's more dick. It's more dick. I'm like, yeah, why the fuck won't this shit come out? And I feel like if I would have started masturbating younger and doing like the tug exercise younger, that shit would have popped the fuck out. Do you feel like women should start masturbating younger?

Actually, I think women who master start masturbating early get them big ass clits that look like dicks when they get old. But that's my point. So, no, you shouldn't masturbate early unless you want to have a baby. big clip. Men should start masturbating early. So you have a big clip. I thought like, uh, mous knuckles. Huh? You know mouss knuckles for the man.

You do know that, right? See, you just, y'all, y'all generation is all off. Cameltoe is for the women. Glorilla fucked y'all up. Yeah, that's why I got it from Glow. Glorilla fucked that up, yo. L'Rilla had a transgender ghost rider that fucked y'all up. I'm telling you.

Like, somebody passed to that bar or something, yo. There's a boose knuckle is for a mulele is a man. So that's like with the football players we have. Yeah. No, they have a cup. But this looks like a giant moose knuckle. No, moose knuckles is like when the seam of your pants

splits your balls and dick in half. So they're there on both sides. Is that really what it is? Yeah, of course. Let me Google. Let me ask Chad GPT. What is a moose knuckle? Hold on.

What is a moose knuckle? Well, really says she's showing off her moose knuckle. A moose knuckle is different. male equivalent to the female camel toe. Just as the camel toe describes when the shape of a woman's labia are revealed through her clothing, so a moose knuckle reveals a creased, visible outline of a man's genitalia.

Okay. Yes. So the gray sweatpants swag. Yeah, but it's got to be like pulled up. It doesn't. No, it does. No, it does. That wasn't.

You got to be pulled up real moose knuckles. I want to know why it's called that. I mean, it kind of looks like it. It's like split like that. And when them toes separate, nah, my seat, they never look like that. God, damn. That actually looks like a vagina. Yeah.

The little vagina that's been busted open. Busted open by somebody who had the sense to play with their penis early on in life. Now they got that goddamn 10-inch long. You know what I'm saying? Meanwhile, we got three to four inches of unaccounted for a penis. Hold on. So, hold on. So Shannon, he clipped this clip?

Yeah, yeah. Okay, let me read the caption. I think you guys are a little intimidated when we date black. I don't think you can fill our shoes. I feel like you're a little worried. I feel like you can't get to the back of it after. Hold on. Let me read this again. I think you guys are intimidated. When we date black women, I don't think you can feel our shoes. I feel like you're a little worried. I feel like you can't kid. Oh, okay. So he's making a joke about Andrew's making a joke about penis sizes here. And he's saying that white men have big penis. Which is, we know isn't true, which is the joke, right? Am I making this up? I couldn't tell you. Oh, okay, press play. I think you guys are a little intimidated when we date black women

because I don't think you can fill our shoes. I feel like you're a little worried. I feel like you can't get to the back of it after us. No, I bet we're good. No, I do think I do see that a lot. I'd be like, oh, she's off the market. Like, whenever I was dating a black girl, I would see black guys back, oh, man, can't do that.

You never date a black girl. I haven't? No. Okay. She told you you've never dated a black girl? I guess I haven't. Oh, you got down with a brown? Yeah, what do you mean?

Of course. Okay. Okay. Why is this surprising? Well, I'm not pounding you on that. Like, it's some accomplishment. There's hot girls, you know, and then you try to put your peepee in them, you know? Is that shocking to you that a white guy, like, this is so interesting, the world.

Is that, like, shocking to you that there's, you know, the white people will date out of their race? Do you think only white people only date white people? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, you thought I was Jewish, too, so you assumed probably I'm dating like a Jewish person. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. Do you feel the pressure, though, of like, I think, at least I'd see it now, that there's, like, a pressure for black women, black men specifically. Well, not just black men.

Yeah. Well-off black men. Athlete, celebs, entertainer, influencers like that. Yeah. Regular guy. And what is the pressure? I mean, they say, well, you wait, do you get some money and then you go cross? So.

And why do you think that that happens? Why does it happen? Look, have I dated outside? my race, yes. But I dated that people that that adored me, that appreciated me. Not to say at the time they didn't. I dated my kids, but I dated women that celebrate me and appreciate me. That's where I'm going to be. I don't look at it because I'm not dating for society. I'm dating for Shannon. Yeah, I think that's normal. I also think that like, like if you live in China, you're probably going to date a Chinese person, right? And there's,

what is the black population of America is like 10%, 12%. Probably 12%. So half of that is women. Yes. So 6% of America is black women. And then the white population of America is, I don't know, like 50% or 60%. I don't know what it is. Oh, there's 30, 40, 12, like 30, yeah, probably 40-something%.

Let's just round it. What the fuck? So 25% is white women. Right? So you have four times the, amount of white women than black women. So maybe the numbers, maybe it's not just like a black guy gets on and then he dates a white girl. Maybe there's just more white women. Well, they're out there just by the numbers. Yeah, well, there is. There is. So like, yeah, because I can imagine if I was a

black woman, I saw that, I would feel that way. I'd be like, well, what the f*** going on? Like, why I feel like consent? But I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, we as black men, if we feel that same way when we see a black, a black woman dating a white guy. I don't think, I don't I don't think it elicit the same response. Listen, man, here the thing. I don't have a problem with interracial relationships, but if you ask me what I like, I like to see black men with black women.

What's wrong with that? Listen. That's not racist. I get it. It's not what I personally do, obviously. My wife's white, so I believe in. But you've dated a black woman before? No, but I'm mixed.

I believe in mixed relationships, is what I'm trying to say. You believe in it, or do you just believe in love is love? As a black man dating a white woman. I feel like I'm a great representation of the power of love, the beauty of a mixed relationship. I'm listening. I believe in love is love. I like how you're just like, I'm not even indulgent. Because I don't know what the fuck you just said.

I'm not going to be like Shannon and be like, you know, I'm not going to ask. You know, I love you, man. I love Shannon, too, but I'm not going to act like I know what's going on. You know, okay? Shout out to Shannon. Shannon and Ocho Cinco just put out the fucking goats, both of them just put out an episode. And they were like, they're basically like, yo, when do we get this sensitive about comedy? And they're talking about like the old roast with like Don Rickles and Dean Martin.

They're like, yo, comedians are going to make jokes. That's, to me, that's ultimate, like, integrity and bravery. Because you could easily cower to the internet criticism. But to come out and actually keep it a buck, like, keep it real. That is, so both of them, shout out to y'all, man. First of all, we don't even know if these people on the internet are real. Everything's bots, bro. Everything got to be.

Like, we don't know. It's like, whatever. And it will really be a mindful because everybody online will say one thing. But then in your real life, it's a totally different story. But who gives a fuck? But I will say I like seeing black men with black women, but that's just me. But it's also historical context that is historical context because there's been so many broken, you know, homes, right? And because of, you know, the way slavery broke apart the black family.

So I like to see that together. I don't knock it if somebody is dating into race relationship. I don't have to anymore. We got Dr. Umar for that. Exactly. We have somebody to believe. All I got to do is that Dr. Umar will not approve. Black queens forever, snow bunnies never.

I said black queens forever, snow bunnies never. I said black queens forever, snow bunnies never. I think the annoying thing is when you see people who like echo those sentiments that you're saying. Why you make your faces to me, Naila? Because you a goddamn lie. Why am I a goddamn lie? Because you know you be up here protesting. What do I protest about?

Nala, tell me. You protest. Tell me, Naila, tell me. You be protesting. Tell me what I'm protesting. Naila. You protest interracial dating. Who have I done that to?

What? What about protesting people who talk about how important it is to take care of the women that are in their race? But we know that they did white girls on the side. What about those people? What do we say about those people? That's the complete sellout. They're the worst. But like, what if they're like every single day?

Like, oh, my God. Like, you know, we got to take care of our queens. But then they took like a white girl out to dinner with us once. You can't be completely embarrassed their queen. What if they did that? What if they tried to embarrass their queen? You are so. But he's right, you can't be pro-black and then sleep white.

Seriously. Well, I think- Imagine saying protect black women, but you fuck a white woman raw. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That sounds fire, though. You can't be pro-black and date outside your race? I think you can't be pro-black and dead outside of race. I do think that the people that talk about how important it is to date within your race,

but then have taken white girls out to dinner with us. It's a little, it's like, it's a little tricky. I disagree with you. I don't know what to believe. If Dr. Umar got has a white. This is not Dr. Umar cannot do it. By the way. This is not Dr. Umar.

I'm glad you said it because this is the point I'm trying to make. It depends how pro-black you are. Okay. If you're a pro-black person that you say white people are the devil, you know, all that. If you're that level, you can't be with a white. Well, what about your kids have been raised to be pro-black, right? I mean, yeah, black. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My kids ain't dating somebody. Oh, you missed the story. Yeah, you were in here. Well, I told you my time.

He called ICE on his daughter's boyfriend and they fucking, that's not what happened. They kicked the family out of the country. That's not what happened. Stop it, stop it, son. You were lying right now. That's not what happened. She had a prom date.

He called ICE. He did a ride-al. No, I told you half of the story earlier. Junior prom, you know, the kids go as groups. So one group goes with one group. Right. So. This is what his daughter is telling him.

I don't know why he bringing gifts up. In the original group. Which his daughter is. saying so it don't look like she got a boyfriend. She knows how crazy her dad is. She knows how crazy her dad is and she was right because her dad, take that motherfucker out the country. She doesn't have a boyfriend.

But one of the original groups had a guy and they were going together and he ended up having to leave the country because people in his family were being deported. Do you think, can I just ask this? We're just asking this question and I'm going to have to go through this in my life, God willing, one day I have a daughter,

right? No, by the time your daughter's 18 and there will be no brown people in this country. If we let Trump keep doing these. No, I'm saying, like, have a boyfriend. So, listen, your daughter is on, like, the cheer squad. Yes. I mean, like, since when in high school... I don't want to talk about this.

Let's go back to the white people. Cheer girls were the most popular girls. It's not in high school. She doesn't go to public school, so she's on, like, a competing cheer squad. Even better. Like, she must be, like, the best of the best, so she's super popular. Everybody knows who she is. But it's not connected to the school.

It's different when you're... That's true. Literally, when it's competing. Yeah, competing is literally her and all her girls. They travel state to state. Like everybody's from different schools. Yes. Are there men in the cheer squad too?

I mean, they have been. Yeah. But they type of men to doche-like. But what do you? Like, we noticed, like, I'm just saying. Like, what do we talk? You notice. Hold on.

You noticed. So there's Chinese guys on the cheer squad? Yes. Yes. Absolutely Asian. Has nobody talked about the eye stuff that these musicians are doing? I'll get back to you on it next week. I'll have any of it.

Please do. And I'm not, first of all, I'm not against it. And Charlie X, CX does it too. I've seen a bunch of like some models. It's not a Dochi thing. Please don't make it about Dochi's Asian. Say again? What if your daughter thinks Doche's a dish?

Dochee? Fried fries. What? See, that's it? Yes. Dochi fried rice. Yes. Dochi fried rice.

You never have a dish. some doughchee fried rice. That shit hits. Yo, that's dochy fried. You wouldn't order some some doughche fried rice? That shit slapped. You would order some thoughchi fried rice?

That doche fried rice slaps. For sure, dude. Yeah, me. God damn it. What do we do? We're not mature enough to have this. No, I got to let my wife his part before you. I think that's a smart decision.

That's a smart decision. You got to let their family here, and if they got Wi-Fi in the country, you sent them back to. Man, shut up, man. Shut up. Why you said I'd be hating on inter-rational relationships? I don't. Now you do.

Why do you think it is... Why do you think... That's what I was going to ask you. So if your daughter were to end up... Let's leave it on Naila. Why have my daughter got to be my daughter? Let it be my niece. Why I got to be the daughter?

Your niece. Yeah, she's grown. All right. Let's say Nila dated a proud white man. She wouldn't do that. Yeah, I think you would date a white guy. I haven't. You wouldn't date a white guy?

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Didn't you just tell me I was lying like a mother? Yeah, I only did that to set her up. Hold on there. But she called me a liar.

Now I'm a liar. I knew you had that septum piercing for a reason. That's how you lure in the white boys. White boys love a septum piercing. That's how you get white boys out the woods. You put a septim piercing in and they will come out the woods with their beanies rolled above their ears with a fresh macchiato for you. That is how you catch a white boy.

I'm just saying I haven't dated a white boy. But you got a crush on one? No. There's not one white boy you got a crush on. No. Not one white guy you have a crush on. There's not one white guy. That's good.

Proud of you. Young Zach Ephraim. Oh. What you said? Young Zach Ephron. Oh, God. See, Chris? I like how Chris got an age for him.

He got to, I'm telling you. He's not just the person. He wants that 1999, like, George Clooney and ER? It's like a piece of feel to Chris. This is like a piece of age. Bill. With some dochi fried rice.

Give me a piece of that Zach Efron 92 with some dochi fried rice. God dang, Chris Dumbick growling right now. I'm going on water. Use your chopstick. Listen, we can't be making these jokes. Guys, we're not allowed to make jokes anymore. We're not mature enough to have this conversation.

By the way, here's the thing about the jokes. If I can take them. That's, you know, nobody is, that's what people don't understand. Nobody is made fun of more than us. You know, so interesting. Nobody made fun of more than us. What you mean? I mean, like, we are, we're public figures.

You're even big with public figures. Like, we're getting so many fucking jokes constantly, and we're not censor-renated jokes about us. If it's a good joke, it's a good joke. That's how I feel. You know what I'm saying? And you know what they get upset? They get upset when we lean into it.

Like, when you do the Morris Chestnut shit and people like, you don't look like. First of all, that's not a joke. And this kills him. Morris Chestnut himself has said, why do we have to do this? Why do you? I just want to play the clip every week. Morris Chestnut himself has said he gets confused for me.

I think Morris Chestnut knows who he looks like. Yes. And other people know who, it's like a tribe. No, I think you're going to end up with a white boy. I rebuke that. You rebuke it? Yeah. It's not like a biblical.

That I had to bring it in because I don't even want to put that in there. So you just called him a white devil. When you speak things you manifest. No, no, no. Well, actually, I don't know. I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not... See how it happens? I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not searching for that.

No, it's not something you search for. It's just going to happen like that. You need somebody? I don't have no problem with you dating a white person. I'm just saying don't be the guy or the girl that's out here calling white men the devil and all of this shit like that. And then you suck in the oppressor's penis. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

You can suck at the devil's dick. Or take him out to dinner with your boys. Sucking Satan's sloom. Like, is that what you want for your son? I'm just saying, if you call it, if you're going to, it just depends what level of pro- we are. We just don't like hypocrisy unless we do it. That's it.

If we're hypocrites, it's okay. That's it. But if other people are, it's not okay. What if they're just able to provide and take care and they do all the things? If you fall in love, listen, if you grow- What if they just love you? That's right. If you grow to love anybody, I'm gonna be happy.

They make you feel seen, they make you feel safe. That's right. They make you feel confident. They make you feel beautiful. Okay, like I really do. I really, I really, all joke aside, I really, if you grow to love somebody, I'm happy for you. I don't care of you are.

If that person loves you and that person is holding you down and taking care of you, that's the most important thing. That's it. I really truly feel that way. Agreed. And why you guys don't cheat? I only have a problem with the real, real, real pro-black people who didn't go to sleep white. That is whacked me.

You cannot be out here, you know, calling white men the oppressors and all of this shit and like that, but then you just literally licking the balls. Imagine eating a, imagine eating a white man's ass after you said how white people have been shitting on black people. Think about that. You say white people shit on black people historically, but then you go liquid and shit comes from. Niggas fuck on holes all the times and then talk bad about hose. God damn, you said the N-word again. That is 27 times.

Okay, okay. Men will have sex with prostitute and hose, but then talk bad about prostitute and holes. Can I ask you a question? You don't think you're trying to lure a white boy a little bit. She just got great style, but you have a little like Tony Hawk Pro Skater thing going, and I feel like white guys, and I feel like white guys are drawn to that. Like, I feel like you're trying to get a white guy a little bit without even realizing it. I got nothing for you.

All right. But am I wrong, though? I don't know, man. I just want everybody to be happy. Charles, I'm just, a white guy's going to know how to clean that septum piercing. A black guy might not know how to do that. Ah, damn. He's gonna know how to clean it.

But who's gonna know how to clean the white man smegma? The white man, hopefully. Right, the same way I could clean my symptom. Yeah, but don't? Yes. Yes, do we take care of ourselves? We like that. Damn, that was good.

I was good. I love who you want to. I really don't have a problem with any interracial relationship. Now, do I have a preference? Yes. But that don't mean I'm a, just because I'm pro-something don't mean I'm anti anything. I'm actually pro-love more than anything.

Chris, you're in an interracial relationship. Have you always dated Asian women or you dated in your race and then outside of your race? Everybody. You just dated everybody. Come on. Come on. Think about the people Chris done been around. That's true.

That's why I really, Chris doesn't been around. But think about Chris didn't been around. Chris done wrote books for Russell Simmons. Damn. Donald Trump. Damn. Not true. Donald Trump.

I thought you wrote for Trump. You were writing a little bit. For his daughter. For his daughter? Yeah. Okay. Trump world, right? Who else?

50? Come on, man. Chris doesn't been a, Kristen had some United Nations pussy. Have you ever written a... Have you ever written... Chris had been... Like his uterus, UNs, baby.

That's what he'd do. Like, come on, Chris. Chris, have you ever written a book for someone who hasn't been arrested? He wrote with me? Yeah, that's true. Have you ever... I'm working on it.

Yeah. Once Chris takes an interest in you, you go into jail. I just want to let you know. Are you been? Oh, you been. If Chris comes up to you, you have probably done something against the law in your life. I got to be careful, huh?

I would definitely like to say back on the subject of dating that... Back on white men. No, just on dating in general. The fact that this is dating for you. But I have definitely been encouraged to date outside of my race because there's only a smaller percentage of, I guess, men are. equivalent and like, caring about the same things you care and, like, moral and values. But do you need a man that is on everything that you're on?

Like, isn't that the beauty of life finding somebody who, you know, you don't want to find your mirror, right? You don't want to find your reflection. You might find somebody that's in the totally different things, but what you don't have, he has, and what the interests you don't have, he might have, and then y'all come together and y'all just share experiences and interests and you learn new things. This is true. I'm cool with that, but I feel like, because.

Because the percentage of like, say percentage of black men who make over six figures who are interested in women, if the number is only like this big and then with those same credentials on the other side being much larger, the pool of men... You say everybody that makes over $100,000 is gay? No, I'm just saying the pool of men... That gay's got money, though. Because men have so many options, they're more likely to just thumb through versus actually caring about...

I said this on Shannon's show. And there is a numbers thing that doesn't work in your guys' favor. Like, if white people are 60% of the population or whatever it is, they're like six times more white people than there are black people. So just off of the numbers, if you're living in a multicultural city, you're going to bump into six times more white guys than you are black dudes. So there's six times the chance that you might date a black dude. And then same for a black guy.

There's six times the chance that you might date a white woman. But if you're white and you only bathe in the same thing, on race, you know, I don't know if it's just race. Wouldn't you be basing it on like lifestyle? That's what I was going to say. I think ageing class. Yeah. Actually matter more than race.

I think you're right. But this is the thing that people don't. Age and class matter more about everything. But this is the thing that we don't have the discussion about. Right. And I think that this is like, I don't think they want us talking about class. Like the second that Martin Luther King started talking about class, he got shot. Like the second anybody starts talking about class, they get killed.

Right. So, but that is the real discussion. I'm just saying my wife is the same age. We were born within a year of each other. We basically came from middle class backgrounds. Educated. Right. We have a common language.

Yes. But when people look at us, oh, you're dating a Chinese woman or a Taiwanese woman, right? Like, that's where everybody goes. Of course, because one, obviously there's like, we make jokes or whatever, but you're having the real discussion, which is like your shared interests are much more similar.

Boom. We have so much common ground. 100%. We talk about the same TV shows, the same music. I think it's kind of what you're getting through. You're like, you're saying, fresh off the boat. What?

What? He threw one up that I thought you were dunking immediately. He said, we have the same interest, a common language, and I was, wait. I was waiting. I didn't know what to say. I wanted to say Mandarin, but I didn't know what to say here. I mean, Chris likes the man part of that. Mandarim.

God damn. God damn. You know what was one of the most perfect jokes? I posted this shit. But Korean Tell Pro. That was one of the best jokes ever just come up with live on a pod. What was the setup for that? It was a...

You said that... We'll put the Koreans in China to infiltrate that and cause disruption. They'd be like, yeah, we'll call Korean Tell Pro. Crazy. I can't believe you guys aren't even reacting now to that. I don't get it. Co-intel pros when they would have the disruptors go in there. And the joke that I was like, he was like, how are we going to take it over China?

I was like, Korea's our allies, so we're going to send the Koreans in there. They won't even know that they're Korean, and then they'll start disrupting shit. And he goes, we'll call Korean tell pro. That's unbelievable. That's, I mean, I feel like I'm the only one that's appreciating this right now. They just write themselves, man. They just write themselves. So how can we not make them?

You know what I'm saying? We got to make them. It's what we do. Shoot or shoot, bro. Shoot or shoot. But what you were saying, Chris, is what I was saying the same thing. It's like sharing interest. Because if you're from New York.

Yes. You might not like a white girl from South Dakota. Yeah, we might not like a white woman from Manhattan. Well, she's from Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara. Her formative years in Manhattan, she moved here. She was 14 years old. But to me, New York and California have a lot more in common than the Midwestwood or even

the down south would. You know what I mean? You see this all the time with religions. Like, a lot of people meet a church, right? Yes. And a lot of meeting the synagogue. And, like, they might be from different parts of the world, but the religion is that thing that unites them.

So do you go to church now? I really know. But are you a religious person? So you might value that, right? You want somebody that has similar values and beliefs as you. And then that kind of shared interests might be the best possible partner for you. I'll keep you all posted. I mean, if you want to go back to dating black guys, I know guys, and I'll definitely introduce you.

But I don't want to move you off of your white journey. I'm not on no white journey. I'm actually in minding my business journey. Okay. That's good. You respect that. We don't want to pressure you to do anything that you don't want to do. Thank you.

I appreciate. Absolutely. Absolutely. Charlie? Charlam, man? Oh, God. What happened? I'll just show you.

Don't say that. This is that. Oh, God. Come on. Let me see. God. God. What is it?

No, they grow up too fast. Oh, her dress is popping? Oh, let me see. Yeah, I come over here. Also, God, damn. She looks so much like Jess, too. I know, man. What's the fuck?

Oh, my God. She looks so good. She's so beautiful. Oh. Let me hold of him. I had to say that. I want to go home. I want to go home.

Oh. Oh. Don't act up. No, I'm not. I'm just saying. Let me call ICE again. That's what I just said. Let me call ice again,

fuck all this shit. Let's pay some bills, man. Church announcement, Shoggi. What you got? Life, man. Thank you guys so much for watching, man.

Thank you guys so much for watching. for making it the biggest comedy special in the world. I'm incredibly blessed, grateful. Thank you everybody who let me on their pod and let me chop it up these last few weeks. It was really awesome, exciting and great to see how other people do their things. A bunch more pods coming out. So thank you guys for indulgent. And thank you so much for the people who like shared their stories of going through these, you know, fertility journeys. I thought I'm going to ask you, how's that community? I mean, just like thousands of emails that like I get emotional reading, like people who had way more difficult to me, waiting 11 years to finally have a kid. Like, there's this huge community

of people out there that have, you know, thought they might not ever be able to. And then finally get that opportunity to have a child and have a family. And they're so fucking grateful. And I think they got to watch this special that brings light to this brutal experience that they had. And I think it was kind of cathartic for them. You know, they got to go, okay, we can put that part of our life past us. And we can just kind of laugh at the ridiculous of it now that we know that we have this beautiful child. And please keep sending me those stories, man, because it lights up my day every single time somebody tells you. I had people telling me to tell you, thank you, because, you know, they went through the process and it didn't work out for them, but they still were able

to laugh at the process that you went through, you know, even though they didn't have the happy ending, but, you know. It just makes them feel more normal. Like, I think, especially the fact that it was my fault, I think a lot of guys are just, like, really embarrassed and they don't want to share that experience. And yeah, it's like, I also, I also want to say, like, there's crazy new technological advancements. I think there's this company that found a way to, like, create eggs, like women's eggs from skin cells. So they don't even need to do the thing where they induce the egg creation. They can develop those eggs from a skin cell that you have. Imagine being a little skin baby. Remember back in the day when, who was the comedian? Oh, Robin Harris, and Robin Harris did you,

little test tube, baby. Yeah. A little test tube, baby. Now you're a little skin baby. Anyway, any way, could have kids, like put them into the world and just, I mean, it's... How do you create eggs from skin? Bro, I don't know how they do anything these days. Can we do that for the grocery stores so they'd be cheaper? Bro, yeah, create some blueberries from skin. Create some eggs from skin. Damn.

Yeah, create everything you possibly can't. But that's what I was talking about last week. Well, first of all, my church announcement is third annual Black Effect podcast festival happening Saturday, April 26th. Let's go. In Atlanta, Georgia at Pullman Yards, man. I want to thank everybody who subscribes to a podcast on the Black Effect Eye Heart Radio Podcast Network.

Just found out the day that we hit a billion downloads on the network. Oh, shit. Yeah, man. So, you know, thank you to everybody. I don't care what podcast you subscribe to on Black Effect. Just thank you, thank you, thank you. And we'll be celebrating Saturday, April 26th, third annual Black Effect Podcast Festival happening in Atlanta, Georgia.

You can go to blackeffect.com slash podcast festival to get your tickets. The Trap Nerds podcast will be there for all the gamers. good moms, bad choices will be there for all the moms who still want to have a life to Carrie Champion will be there doing her naked podcast R&B Money, Tank and Jay Valentine they'll be there doing their podcast live

and Sarah Jakes Roberts will be doing their podcast as well. We're about to announce one more podcast hopefully soon, so maybe next week I have another announcement for y'all but you know we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the food trucks to pitch your podcast a panel with Nissan

so yeah, go get your tickets, black effect dot com slash podcast festival Atlanta. And one more shout out. Ryan Davis, who's hilarious comedian.

Ooh, my guy. He is a, he put out a special. I think that you can get it on his Patreon right now. My bad, Ryan, if I'm not explaining this perfectly, but he went through a similar experience

to a lot of us where like he shot his own special, spent like tons of money making it beautiful. He's hilarious. And, you know, the networks didn't want it for whatever reason. Their mistake is Ryan is hilarious. And I think now he's putting it out on,

it might be his patron. You can go check him out on on Instagram, but he put out a bunch of clips. The clips went absolutely crazy. And it's beautiful to see comics bed in on themselves. And more importantly, the people that like good comedy coming out and supporting that. So go check out Ryan Davis, man. He's fucking hilarious.

No, salute to Ryan. I'm talking to Ryan this week. But I haven't gotten to seen the clips yet, but I want to check it out. But salute to Ryan. Ryan, I fuck him Ryan. I fucking Ryan just because I think he's funny and he's a good dude. He's from the Carolina. He is from the Carolina.

I've also seen Ryan not fold. Nope. Meaning like I've seen Ryan, I've seen him in interviews recently. And I've seen a couple of people try to bait them over you and the Kendrick stuff. And I watch people like that because I've seen Ryan. Ryan has given you a lot of credit before. Remember what I told you? Watch the people who take the opportunity to shit on you or say something negative in this woman because they always was hating.

Ryan didn't fold at all. Ryan stood on the comedy like, no, I reserved the right to have, let you know. comedians be comedians, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, stuff like that tells me a lot about a person. Like, you know, I'm the type person. I watch how I judge a person's character by how they treat people that can't do nothing for them. And I watch things like that.

Let me see when you got the opportunity to possibly say so negative, how you... Because he could probably get way more views dunking on me. But he's... He stood up for comedy. He's a real comedian. That's a thing. He's a real comedian. That's right.

And, no, so shout out to him. I hope that shit blows the fuck up. And I hope that the next time you sell your specialist for 10 times more, bro. Word. So after Ryan Davis, damn, I wanted to talk about something else. Oh, the egg shit.

Remember I was talking about the egg shit last week? Yeah. And I was saying, why are they so focused on the eggs? And the reason I was saying why are they so focused on the eggs is because Donald Trump said he won the election with one word, groceries.

So you should be focusing on the cost of all goods. Now, what happened this week? This week, Republicans, where their talking point was the price of eggs are down. But the price of other shit is up. Damn. Because of the tariffs, the stock markets,

all of these other different things that are going to fuck up people economically. People are losing money in their 401ks and their retirement plans, Social Security, all of this type of shit. So it's just like, but they can say, and I watched it on CNN, you know, Foxx, but the price of eggs are down.

Why y'all just, that's why you shouldn't just focus on one thing. Yeah, but one thing is so much more digestible. You were right. But like the messaging of one thing is so much more digestible, you know? Yeah. I think, no, I think you are right. I was talking about, and I'm sorry for not giving you credit for this because I forget exactly which conversation it was, but like it might have been Sager.

I forget exactly. So my bad Sager, if it wasn't you, but I think it was Sager, but we were talking about, like, how do you get all Americans invested in the success of America, right? Because I think what kind of happened is like since the global financial crisis, right, people who had some money have made a lot of money in the stock market since then they got to take out loans at zero percent they dumped it in the market the market's up 20 percent or whatever the fuck it is and they got way richer and everybody else didn't and i feel like a lot of americans feel left behind like the train just ran away without them and it would be really cool if you want

people to really love america if they are invested in the success of america i.e like i don't know if this is a realistic strategy but if you put 10 grand in every single america American's S&P 500 account from the day they were born. They couldn't touch it into their 22. They can't take out loans against it or anything. But knowing for 22 years of your life that the success of America is your financial success, all of a sudden you'd see probably Americans rooting for CEOs instead of villainizing them and feeling squeezed out by them.

You'd see Americans rooting for American economic success because you're like, hey, the better America does as a country, the more flexibility I'm going to have when I've finished college and I'm 22, or I could pay off some loans, or I could start a business, or I could go to trade school, whatever it is. Like, I think that Democrats, Republicans, whoever it is, the strategy they need to think of right now is how to get as many Americans working class

and poor Americans specifically invested in the success of America. Upward mobility. What you just explained is why Joe Biden could never get anybody to believe he made the economy better. Because when you're out here talking about the GDP is high and the stock market is high, what about the motherfuckers? We ain't got no stocks. I don't give a flying fuck.

This is great. Oh, it was Vivek. Sorry. So Vivek brought it up. So shout out Vivek. My back for getting the Indians mixed up. So there's a... It's understandable. Thank you. So there's like, there's this thing where it's like Biden and the Democrats go. The economy was the best ever during Biden. It's like, but for whom?

For who? If you say the stock market is good, yeah, for like the top 10% that even invests in the stock market, I don't think I bought a stock and saw it's 35 years old. I didn't get one until COVID. Because you know why? My financial advisor was like, look, let me tell you something. This shit going to be. This is when rich people are going to fall in a part.

Exactly. Exactly. I didn't get the S&P 500 until 2020. So it's like I think there's an education process, like teaching people with compound interest is. And I'm saying this to you guys as someone who is financially illiterate and knew nothing about this until 35. I just had money in a bank account making no money because I thought that's what you're

supposed to do is just save it. I would love if young Americans got invested in the success of America. And I think you would see patriotism go. through the roof. But that's why people hate the billionaires. That's why they hate the CEOs because of the way capitalism is constructed in this country.

They're rich. Keep getting richer. The poor keep getting poorer. And the middle class don't even goddamn exist anymore. They don't even know what the fuck is going on. It's either one of the other. So what is the best way to get people to embrace and love capitalism?

Make sure that they, like, they bear the fruit of capitalism. Like, if I'm somebody who's poor and I know that I'm invested in the success of this country, you know what? I'm going to be excited about. the capitalist model that's making me more money on the stock market every single day I look at it. So how a haters' bread shows?

How is it? How are haters bred when they see a system or something working for a select group of people and they're on the outside looking in. It's not that they actually hate what's going on in there. They hate that they're not in there. I mean, why don't you try to bring people together? Like this guy, the guy who was trying to give everybody $1,000, Andrew Yang. Andrew Yang, your Russell Basic Income.

It was, sorry? Oh, yeah. So it's like he didn't, he didn't have a bad idea, but like just giving somebody a stimulus checker, just giving somebody a thousand bucks, it sounds good. And when people are struggling, they need that. But what is going to actually change the mentality of Americans and the financial success and acumen of Americans is if you get them invested early on in the success of America. That's also what we now look back and credit a large part of the stock market.

crash of 1929 to, which is a lot of people who didn't have much money, who didn't have a lot of knowledge about stocks or how they operated, felt they should be participating in this process, and they all rushed in to the market for the first time. I don't know if a stock market is crashed by everybody investing in it. But that's generally considered one of the main factors behind it, which is way too many people got in. They were over their head. They didn't have enough savings.

They weren't able to withstand the volatility of it. So just before we scare people, and I think this is important to distinguish, what you're talking about is people that are over-leveraged to invest in the stock market. Same thing with the housing crisis. People who are over-leverage, meaning they're not putting money that they have into the market. They're taking out loans and putting debt into the market. And then when the market crashes, they can't afford their life without it. Same thing with the houses.

They were buying homes that they could not afford, just hoping the price would go up. What I'm saying is you're putting money or the government is putting money in at one year old that is not money that you have access to until you're 22. So you don't have to worry about you handling the volatility of the market. I'm not trying to be cute, but like isn't that like what bonds are? Well, so this is where you get it wrong. This is I did the all in pod and we were talking about this. So in an effort to people used to give bonds when a child was born. That was very common.

So what is the, so this is actually, I'm glad you brought this up. So what does a bond more or less pay every? year? Right now they're like at four. So four percent historically. That's what the American treasuries have paid. What is the S&P throughout the last hundred years given? Actually, seven and a half percent. Okay. Why? So they brought it up a very interesting thing. Instead of basically the reason why the bond market, the reason why the bond market got so like flooded is because we actually stopped tariffing other countries and in a way to raise money for the government to spend, we put that burden on Americans. We said, hey, Americans,

buy up all of our bonds so that the government has money, right? Right. What you could do is you could take Social Security, right, which is going to run out in 20 years, and this guy, David Friedberg was breaking the sound. He's like, instead of investing that in bonds, which is what they do with Social Security and getting 4% on it, if you invested that in the S&P, wait for it, wait for it, which is getting on average 7.5%. Now I know what you're saying.

What if the stock market tanks, the American economy or the American government would have to subsidize that. but what are we already doing subsidizing it's the floor there's no floor if you put it what do you think fanny may and freddie mack is it is a is a subsidization system right for real estate so in other words the only way you can get a 30 year loan is if fanny may and freddie mack or whatever those companies come in and they basically soft back the loans they go hey we're the government got us in trouble in 2008 and what yeah keep going so so what's the they do is they actually, their intentions are good. They're like, we want to protect these loans

for the American people. The problem is they protected the loans and inflated the price of housing to the point where people who are middle class could no longer buy into the housing market, which is supposed to be the most secure market in American history. If you didn't have them inflating the prices, those prices of houses would naturally fluctuate and be much lower. and you wouldn't have people spending $50 million for a 0.4 acres. That's also a lot of foreign money that they're trying to stash in America. 100%. I'm not saying it's a perfect system.

But if you run the numbers and run the model, which this guy did, it seems like a much better way to protect Americans when you're already going to subsidize. So if you're going to subsidize it already, why not subsidize it less when you have this thing that's been gaining 7.5% for years? So then what happens in a week like this week when the market crashes and Social Security in the market? Chris, what happens in a week like this, what happens in a week like the financial crisis when all the banks said, hey, you've got to bail us out. We know that they're going to bail out bail out out at two and a half percent less.

We know the government's coming in to bail out these bankers, right? Why not bail out the American people instead of the bankers? I just don't know the scale of Social Security versus the banks. That would be what concerns me. Like, is the numbers so much bigger with Social Security. That's a good point. This is where I run out of information, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. I don't know.

I operated, I'm trying to operate in good faith with this, but at least to me, the way it was being described. And I don't think these guys were talking about it in a way to, like, steal money from the poor. These guys on All In podcasts, they all grew up poor. Some of them on welfare. I'm not mad at it because at least you're trying to do something. You know, clearly trying to do something for the, yeah, clearly what we've built in America has not worked for everybody. This is the thing that I think a lot of people don't get. Like, when people come from a situation that, like, Charlemagne came from, obviously I didn't grow up poor, right?

but I wasn't some rich kid. So when we're able to like get some wealth, we don't have. By the grace of God. By the grace of God. Pure luck. But our sentiment is not we want to keep it all for ourselves and not let other people. We want to create systems where other people that are similar circumstances as us can also rise up. That's right.

And once we get information that we feel like could maybe benefit those people, we've got to disseminate that information. Like we got at least start those discussions. And then we should run models on it. And then maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe it doesn't work and maybe it isn't as safe. But we got to do something. What we're doing is better than what we're currently got got going on now. Maybe. But let's have the, I think give it. I think what chose is saying or whoever all in, you at least you're giving people a chance from birth. You're not just telling the $1,000 going to really do in the market. It's 10,000. What you could do 10,000? But this is a perfect example. Do you know what $10,000?

with compound interest is over 20 years? My dad gave me this whole speech when I graduated from college. I think I got $5,000. And he was like, put it in a Roth IRA, forget about it. It's going to be worth. So much money by the time you're in your 40s.

Yeah. I was like, well, but suppose the market fluctuates and the funds go down, maybe it won't be worth anything. He's like, historically, it does. Fluctuations. It always works out.

I'm 30 years past college right now. Guess how much that Roth IRA is worth? How much? How much? Zero? Zero. I don't believe that. But also the reason of Rotha you invest in a Roth IRA is because you can put $7,500 in, and

then it'll take the actual accumulation of that, put it back in for itself, and then it's untaxed during that whole time. I don't believe what you just said. I'm telling you. I will say that I don't know what safe. Like kids. I think an SMP 500 might be. be saved within the Ralph R.A. I'm not sure. You eat your taxes on the S&P 500. That's the thing.

But here's the other thing that's really important to understand. The fact that your dad even said that is like that's middle class, upper middle class privilege. Most people who don't have faith in that kind of system, what they do is they put it in treasuries or bonds, which are at a lower rate than the FD. I do. I put it in bonds. Yeah. And I'm not saying that that's bad. I have treasuries. You should diversify for sure. But what I'm trying to say is that do you know how many billion dollars companies there are in the world. There are $20,000 billion companies in the world. The S&P 500 is the top

500 of those. If you can't bet on that, I don't know what we're fucking bet on. Listen, during COVID, my financial advisor Sluke to Humble. Humble was like, look, this is when rich people get rich. He said, I want you to put this amount of money in the S&P 500. I only put half. I was scared to put what he told me to put in there, but I only put half.

But I will say that year, that half damn near quadruple. Now, did it drop back down? Yes. And that's when I stopped checking the show. But this is a long game. You can't check it. But he said 30 years. He said put it in. And that's for your kids, 30 years from that. I don't believe that you put money in.

I'm actually looking right now to make sure I got the fund right. Whatever it was, it might have been fidelity. I'm actually going through my email right now. Well, whatever they are, they're usually just, if it is across those 500 companies, that should drive you crazy. No, I'm saying the one that I put in after I grab it. graduated. Yeah. Definitely ran out of money. I had to close it because it went to zero. I'm not. So in order for that, so you just happened to invest in the companies that all went bankrupt. I don't believe that.

I think you're putting out like actually, I think you should be careful what you're saying right now because it could induce further fear for people to understand what the market is. And that's the most terrifying thing for financially illiterate people like myself is everything's going to go away. So I think you've got to be very careful with what you're. I'm literally. I'm really looking through my emails right now to see what it was. Let's, before you do some afternoon, listen to this clip, because you made me think of this clip when you said what you said. Oh, and then I got to run. All right.

This is Anthony Mackey. I've been in the business 24 years, right? And I've seen people go from nothing to the biggest stars in the world. I've seen people go from one role to winning Academy Awards and doing all this shit. And what I realized yesterday thinking about it, we're lying to our kids. kids, though. And I think that's a big problem in our community. We tell our kids that they can, and this is fresh on my heart, like I literally just came to this conclusion last night. We tell our kids if they do right and they make the good grades and they go to the programs and they

will become successful. If you work hard enough, your work will be paid off. And that's not true. Success is given. It's not earned. Because you can be the most brilliant. If one person don't tap Each one of y'all, there were people who could hit harder, who could catch better, who could run faster. But somebody said, you're the one. And the other 50 behind you fell off. You know what I mean? And because of that, I don't know what that, what that emotion or that feeling is, is the scary thing. Because I went to all the programs.

I've done Broadway. I've done off Broadway. I've been in the business 24 years. I've been in two Academy Award films. I've done independent films. I've done major motion pictures. Now I'm Captain America. So now what?

What do you think? I think it's a... I think that that sentiment makes a lot of people who are struggling feel good. It's like an opiate. You know, it like satisfies the pain. And I think a lot of people will be like, yes, Queen, talk that shit, et cetera.

That was a man. It's Anthony Mackey. But the reality is that I don't know if that's the right, I don't know if that's the right attitude to give people the hope to work their ass off and hopefully succeed. Working your ass off doesn't guarantee you anything. Like we said earlier, we got fucking lucky, dude. But what I do know is working your ass off will increase the chances that somebody might tap you and want to work with you and want to give the opportunity. And I wish that he included that in there because there is nothing that will

guarantee you you will have no success, like not doing anything. Yeah, it's not an either or. Yeah, exactly. Success is earned and success is given because you can have a talent and, you know, you work hard and you bust your ass because you're constantly putting yourself in a position for that person who can give you an opportunity recognizes the hard work and your talent. I want to work with hard workers. I've been, I've been giving a million opportunities from a million different people throughout my whole life. Like, somebody had to give me the opportunity to be an intern back in the day.

But now you give opportunities, and who do you give them to? You don't give them to the people going, oh, you can't do it unless somebody puts me on. Nah. Well, now I think I just like to save Hove. But I give him the hard work. He definitely does. Hey, Hose work hard.

I like to give him the... But I think it's a combination of both is all I'm saying. Yeah, I don't think he's wrong that, like, getting an opportunity can change everything. But working hard will... put you in the position to get opportunity. It's like that Chris Rock joke where he's like, I never stopped when I saw somebody who was pulled over on the side of the road

and their car wasn't working. But the second you see someone pushing their own car, you stop and you want to push that car with them. Be the person pushing their own car and people will notice. They will wreck. I mean, look at us talking about Ryan Davis. Yeah. My man put his own money up.

He's absolutely hilarious. And people will recognize that. And then obviously, you know, we want to support. somebody that we really think is great at the thing, but you gotta work hard to be great at the thing. I talk about it in one of my books. It might be the new one, get honest at that line. I can't remember, but you know,

I talk about how people will walk up on you and be like, yo, put me on, put me on. What does that even mean? What do you do? Like, what is the talent? Like, what is the skill set that you have? Like, you know, what is, what is it that I would even be putting you on to do? Like, I can't just wave a magic wand and say, yeah, you're on.

It's kind of entitled to walk up with someone and say, put me on. There was some kid that was like, debate me, debate me, debate me. I was like, all right, well, why don't you work maybe like 10, 12 years of your life to build up a platform that people actually listen to? And then once you have something that people actually listen to and value, then maybe we can have a conversation. But the entitlement to have built absolutely nothing in your life and to be, like, demanding

that, like, I put you on this thing that we worked our asses off to create and got really lucky, don't get me wrong, it's a little too entitled. You got to earn that place. I don't feel like I deserve shit. I imagine you don't think like you don't deserve shit. And that's probably why we work hard, because we don't feel like it's deserved. I actually, that's what imposter syndrome is. Like, yo, you never quite feel where I'm just getting to the place of Worvey.

Yeah. For years I never felt worthy. Ever, ever. Yeah. Let's do some math and do like three and get the fuck out of here, man. DTXAM 009 says, uh, no, I don't want to do that one. The real, I'm sorry, DTXM O'9, but the real Eddie, one E says, what's the most embarrassing thing you've seen happen to someone else?

Go, I know Charlotte got a million stories for this. No, I mean, I do have a million of them, boo. Most recently, Donnell Rylans, man. Donnell Rylans, when he was... Donnell, I just want to let you know, I love you. And you're one of the funniest motherfuckers on the planet. Donnell called... Every time Donnell's called me for the last two weeks,

and I had the shows messed up at first, I'm like, I'm like, kill Tony, kill Tony. So he kept hanging up. But I think he really thought he was called kill talk. So once we had a discussion, I'm like, oh shit, it wasn't killed Tony. So you called me back, Jeffrey Ross. Roast Battle. Roast Battle.

Roast Battle. Man, do y'all selves a favor and go watch Donnell Rollins on Rose Battle. The thing that makes me laugh, first of all, I love seeing people bomb, but I'd rather see them bomb on stages and stand-up. But what I realize, it's not the bombing that I like. that I like, I like seeing people fight for their life. If you want to see somebody fight for their life, co-watch Donnell Rawlins' arm roast battle, man. He was a judge.

And he was there with Teddy Swims, and he loves Teddy Swims, which makes it all the more better because he got embarrassed in front of somebody he loves. But when the crowd started chating, you ain't Chappelle. I was watching you. I was chambered.

You ain't Chappelle. You ain't Chappelle. You ain't Chappelle. And then Donnell, grabs the microphone and he walks down to the crowd and he goes, I made the Chappelle show. No, no, no, that he didn't say that. He didn't say that. That's exactly what he said.

I think he was like, he said, I'm one of the reasons. No, no, no, no, no. That's what he meant. That's not what he said. Oh, we had this discussion. We can act like asshole to you. So everybody, every time this nigga talks, boo him, please. Fuck Donnell Rollins. Moses, he's just trying to be funny.

He's, he's just trying to be funny. Boo! Oh, come on. No, no, I don't care about boo. Listen, I don't care about boo. This is what I'm telling you. I don't care about boo. And I know he's, everybody down here

talk shit about me, they think about jokes. Guess what your funniest joke was tonight? Talking about me. So I get it. And now, congrats. It's getting so much worse. Listen, it ain't so much worse. Let me explain something to you.

Y'all can fool me, listen, listen, listen, you don't gotta listen. I don't get a fuck by the boo. I don't get fuck, you know, nigga, I'm gonna try. You know what? Listen, let me tell you something. I'll say this. I'm not gonna leave like that. I'm gonna answer your question.

You know what? You said, whoever you said, I'm not Chappelle. You know what? I'm not Chappelle, but guess what? I did. I made Chappelle show what the fuck it was. Nick. Fuck you. Ashie Larry.

Yo. Ashie Larry. Just eight people waiting to roast battle. All right. How long they roast battle? What you're going to do? How long they roast battle? It would be over if you'd shut up.

All right. Come on. First off, nigga, you're whack. You fucking got me, dear. No, no. No, I'm going to tell you this. You're whack. Is a comedian?

Uh-uh. Like, you want to fuck with me? You're whack. You know I wrote a TV show you were on, right? So wet. So wet. You're wet. Now, when he explains it, I know what he's saying.

I told him this. I said, Donnell, I knew what you meant to say. But it's not what he said. But the narrative of what you said is way better. When people have been coming to me in the street saying, can you believe this motherfucker said he made Chappelle? I'd be like, can you believe this motherfucker saying, Mishapel? Oh my God.

It was amazing. Donnell Rawlins turns to Jeffrey Roth. He goes, I knew you when you had hair, son. Jeffrey Ross, quick as a wick ghost. I knew you when you had jokes. No. God. No.

God. God. Got him. So, yes, that's not the most embarrassing thing I've seen happen to a person, but it's the most recently embarrassing thing I've seen having to a person, and I loved every minute of it. You were a beautiful. Cute Serb once, what's yours?

Do you have one? Wait, what's the most embarrassing story? Yes. Now, nothing's been mad. Go. Go. Cute Serf said, would you rather drink a shot? glass of your own come or 20 ounces of your own piss.

20 ounce of my own piss. Yeah, pee, easy. Without a doubt. Easy. It's helping to put that shit on ice. Drinking your own come, you just gay. I'm scared to drink somebody else. Officially underscore you're in with this.

And Thee Playboy, Dakara says, when are we sliding on Logan Paul after what happened on Monday night? Raw. I need my justice, bro. I need my justice. I'm ambushed. I'm out there. I'm in front of my people.

I'm in Madison Square Garden. You know, he sets me up in the situation. where like I got to lie to my people. I'm not going to lie to my people, right? Oh, Cleveland? No, he's like, he's like, you tell, tell, tell me why you're here, tell me why everybody's here.

And I'm like, we're here to watch Sam Punk and Seth Rollins. That's why the fuck we're here. I'm gonna tell you something, boy, people from Cleveland really take Cleveland serious. You cannot play with Cleveland. I remember one time a machine gun, Kelly ran up on me. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Because I said something about Cleveland. I said something about Cleveland. I don't remember the fuck I said. It was your show. It was a, it was not like something to watch. It was something to wash. And you were like the city of Cleveland. We need to wash the whole city.

Something like that. I just remember. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But yeah, Logan, I need some justice, man. I need my paper. I need my get back, you know? So we're going to see, we're going to see what happens. Watch out, Logan.

Logan, you better watch out. That was a terrible sell. You sold it way better on WWD. All right. Hold on. Let me get again. Let me get it. You're going to watch out, Logan.

You're going to watch out. He's from the West Village. What the fuck? You're from fire hell's pitching, The home of dancing. All right. All right. To the white dudes, the coon and the white dudes being groomed, I'm going to slide on both of them.

How about that? Like that? That was fire. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit,

you're right, too. It's a brilliant idiotous podcast. Thank you for listening. Peace.