The Brilliant Idiots - Sibling Rivalry Podcast: Episode 04

Episode Date: August 28, 2019

This week Angela Rye and Lenard discuss Kapernick, Jay-z and the NFL, Popeyes and tHe power of social media, Jean Cramer's racist comments and more!!!! Subscribe to Sibling Rivalry on iTunes: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sibl…st/id1466787788 Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/siblingrivalry-podcast/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, my name is Leonard. Yeah. Shalaman de God. Woo! Angela Rye is here. It's sibling rivalry. What episode is this? This should be four or five maybe.

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I'm just brilliant. Depending who you have. You got some of the conservatives that you be debating on CNN. They might think otherwise. Well, nobody asks them. That's the good news. Well, we're here. As Mama, she had on Sequence today.

Mama got on Sequence. Huh? Mama used to live a life. She's going to date. Huh? Huh? Oh, now we're good. What do you say?

The white people outside, I wonder, they want to make it too much noise. No, we can hear them. So I'm glad that we're doing this podcast this week. We missed a whole week of good... But we did say we were only going to do this twice a month. I mean, once a month, and it would change. We did. I think after the events of last week, I think it warrants a conversation.

Since everybody has simmered down and I think cooler heads are prevailing now. I thought we had a bunch of stuff to talk about that. We do. Okay. But the DeKappanik, JZ, NFL issue, I think is a good issue. Yeah. To start with. Have your feelings changed?

Well, first of all, what were your initial thoughts when you heard about the deal? I really wanted CAP to work on the social equity initiative, social justice initiative, and I really wanted him to get signed. And I don't really think my mind has. shifted from that, I think that we have to start coming up with some type of measurable outcomes for what we think success and wins look like, right? In the community overall, and I think that this particular situation was a great example of that. Like, okay, we're boycotting the NFL until what outcome. I'm still boycotting, but I would like to hear, especially from

CAP, like, what is the desired outcome? Will the boycott, ever in if you don't get signed or is the boycott now about you not being signed? Is the boycott about the fact that black folks are still getting killed by police because they're still getting killed by police? Like what is the desirable outcome and what are we expecting this entity to do? And do we have some type of metrics, some type of accountability rubric to hold corporate America to, you know, like what all are we expecting and can we have that more sophisticated conversation because to me there are no wins here.

I don't feel like, oh, I'm on Jay-Z side, I'm on cap side. I feel like there are really good points to be made for both. And I don't think that it's a win for the community if they can't stand shoulder to shoulder side by side in unity. I don't. I think that they both can move on and be very successful on their own, but I think there's something to be set for movement building that evolves, right? like everything doesn't have to be about this leader versus that leader to us.

And the other thing that I have, obviously I have a whole think piece, so why don't you talk? I got a whole article that I haven't written in my head about this. My thought process is a little different. I just feel like, you know, this is a prime example of why you can't have semblance of leadership and you have to have actual leadership. And I think this is an example of when we let social media create narratives for what we think a movement should be, but we don't even know what the fuck we're following. Like, for example, Colin took a knee.

He initially took a knee because he was raising awareness to the social injustice that was happening to black and brown people with the hands of the police. That is still happening at the hands of the police. But he also educated a lot of us on, I'm sorry to cut you off, but just on this point, on the national anthem. Like, I, who I think I am very well read

from a historical perspective, and I did not realize that the second stanza in the national anthem, talked about terrorizing slaves. Yeah, but that's all under the same umbrella. No, of course, but I'm just saying he, in addition to raising awareness on the police brutality front, he also was raising awareness on the ways in which

we have accepted into our consciousness abusive slaves, right? Yes, and then soon, and when Colin got, I don't know, blackballed whatever you want to call it, when he wasn't allowed back into the lead, then the protest turned into something else. It turned into I'm with cap. Now, I thought we were with CAP because Cap is standing up for social injustice. So yes, I'm going to stand with Cap on that.

But no, it turned into we're standing with Cap because Cap doesn't have a job. But why? What do you mean? Why? It has nothing to do with social injustice. I think that we can't divorce the reason he doesn't have a job for why we continue to stand with him because he was punished for standing up for us in a way that was very courageous. And we haven't seen athletes do arguably since 1968.

Yeah, but to me, that's a whole other boycott. That's a whole other protest. I don't know that I agree with that. And this is the argument that we had on the phone, which was when you consider the fact that Dr. King was jailed for boycotting the fact that we couldn't sit at the same lunch counter or because we couldn't ride in the place that we should be riding in on a bus, when he was jailed for those things, we still fought for him to be free. But we were also hadn't forgotten the original cause for the boycott.

We forgot the original cause for this boycott. I don't think that we did. That is a fact. Who is we? Like, I don't think I did. Everybody that would stand with cap. Can I still stand with cap? Because if you didn't forget the original reason for the boycott,

then you would have no reason to pick sides in this situation. But I don't, that's what I'm, I think that's my whole point. I think that the shame is on us if we pick a side. Like, I hope you hear me saying, I can't pick a side because there is validity to both perspectives. What I'm saying is that what would be incredibly dope for the community is for them to come together and find some compromise that works that still moves the needle on the agenda. Let's unpack this.

Okay. Because impact change started a couple years ago with Malcolm Jenkins. As far as I know, Colin Kaepernick was invited to sit in these meetings and he was invited to be a part of this. Roger Goodell even said it in the press conference. We asked Colin to be a part of these things. Malcolm Jenkins said we've asked Colin be a part of these things. He chooses not to.

What's his reason? I have no idea what his reason is. I think that we should ask him. Why? Well, he need to talk. How can we ask somebody something that's not talking? I agree with that. And I love Colin. That's my guy, but you got to talk publicly. So, again, this goes back to the first point I was making, which was we have to know what the desired outcome is. And I think one of the primary people we need to hear from on that is Colin. He is the person we need to hear from. Yeah. But also, if he's not going to talk, does that mean that the movement doesn't continue? And I would argue no. What's the movement, though? And that's my whole point. So if we can say, what's the movement?

So if we could say that the movement is ensuring that black and brown people are safe when interacting with law enforcement, they have no your rights camp to help with that. There are several other organizations that assist with that. Impact change in the NFL. What are they funding? $100 million. They're funding whatever organization you want them to fund. They've funded Kenny Stills organization, but that's towards mental health.

But whatever organization, if you watch the whole press conference, and I'm not sure the NFL has put out the whole press conference. I haven't seen the whole press conference. I keep seeing clips. I have the audio, so I don't know. And I was there. And you were there. Yeah.

But the point of impact change is you have $100 million allocated to fund these social justice initiatives, whatever they are. And in the meeting, somebody bought up, No Your Rights Camp. They were like, of course we donate to Know Your Rights Camp. They bought up different organizations, Black Lives Matter. Of course we would do all of that. So that money that the NFL is providing is going to these organizations. And that's what Jay-Z is basically keeping the checks and balances on. Right.

And I just, I wouldn't know what, like, the system looks like for keeping the checks and balances on these. because one of the things that I know you raised was that they have raised all this money, but they only allocated. How much was it? In the meeting, they said 1.4, but then I heard another number in the media. But in the meeting, they said the number was 1.4. And Jay was like, that's unacceptable. Right.

So then the other part of the movement becomes, put your money where your mouth is. Don't just go out here and pledge a number because it looks good in a press release. Make sure that that money is actually being allocated to the organizations that are doing this work. When I was walking in today, I was telling you I saw Erica Ford's. What do they call that thing? It's called the Peace Mobile. It's a Peace Mobile, but it's called the Life Camp, if I'm not mistaken. It's an RV.

So they have this RV that is designed. I knew you were going to love it because of the stuff that you've been talking about I wanted to do. But the aroma therapy and light therapy and like a place. Punching bag in the back. They got a studio. Yeah. They got a therapist in the front.

It could do podcasts too. But my only point in bringing that up is there are people who are doing work that provide outlets for our young people who should also benefit from some of this funding. So I'm not saying that the NFL can't turn a page. I just am saying that it's really tough for me personally to swallow

that you will fund to the tune of $100 million these organizations who are doing the work, but not invite back into the league, someone who's been doing this work even when he was in the league and out of the league, an organization that we have both personally pledged money to, right?

why can't he go back and take his, if he's a hero to us, and people are saying, I'll feel good about this whole league if this dude just had a job. In addition to what Jay is doing, in addition to the $100 million, it just feels like,

it feels like once again, we're being put in a situation when we have to like partially celebrate. Like, okay, I'm accept that. Well, I think it's all about our mindset. Like, for me, I can want, matter of fact, we should all want what Jay Z's doing to work. We should definitely want that to work.

And we can still. want Colin Kaepernick to be in the league. Right. You know, but for me, if it came down to just having Colin in the league, to me, that's just another symbol of change. But that's why I'm not just saying just that one thing. I'm saying in addition to that, right? Yes.

Like, I agree with you that that's not significant enough, but I think it's a part of the wound. It's a part of, like, finally allowing us to completely heal in a space, not in all the spaces. Y'all not tired of just feeling good. No, but that's why I'm saying I want the money, too. I want Jay-Z to have the opportunity that he has so that he's creating other opportunities for all of us.

You posted the clip yesterday of, or was that today, of him talking about all the other things he's done. Yeah, what have you done? And I agree with that. Like, yo, you got all of these social media critics who always got so much to say, but what are you actually doing? No, it's easy to stand on the sidelines, pun intended. It's the easiest thing to do.

Like, what are you actually doing? And that's my only thing, too. Like, who really has cash in the culture anymore? Because you can have the resume of being out here fighting for black and brown people all the time. But as soon as you do one thing the community doesn't like or doesn't agree with it, they just

automatically, oh, he's a sellout. How? We get canceled. We've both been canceled before. I can cancel every week. No, you don't. You get canceled once a month, though. Once a year. At this point, it's like once a year. At this point, it's like once a year. But I understand it. I understand the logic. You know how I felt when I got canceled. I was like, this is terrible. I've been canceled twice.

Yeah, and you out there. Don't bring up why, please. I don't want to start. Okay. But you out here, but think about that. You're on TV every day. Turning red, veins in your neck. First of all, I don't turn red. Yelling at these white men all the time, standing up for us. I do not discriminate. I will yell at anybody that says I'm stupid.

I don't like, did you know I really don't like yelling? I can't tell. I just want to tell you all how much he provokes me. That's a lie. Your inside voice is yelling. Have you met yourself? I'm loud, though. Yes.

So why is my inside? How can I just be loud? No. That is sexist. I'm just naturally loud. You guys cancel them again. Cancel his house. I'm just natural.

truly loud. What do you think I am? You're not even loud. You just project. What the, what? You're saying the same thing. You're so nuts. You just project.

It's just like, what did I do wrong? Where is Jess when I need her? But it's seriously, it's like, what did I do wrong? I didn't do anything. Are you kidding me right now? You regularly start fights and then say, I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight right now.

Okay, let me ask you this. Yes. In an ideal world with this Jay-Z Colin thing, what happened? in a perfect world. If you could like wave your wand, what do you want to wave? You probably don't want to wave your, your bat you were just swinging at me,

your GZ bat. If you could wave your GZ bat and have the outcome that you want to, what would it look like? In a perfect world. For the NFL, not everything. For the NFL, you know, and that's the other conversation.

People aren't really having that. No, I need you to answer my question. I am. But why aren't people talking to the players in the league? The players in the league that this is going to actually directly benefit. Why isn't nobody talking to these guys? Like I heard Michael Jenkins say,

Malcolm Jenkins said he's for it and Michael Bennett, and I had a conversation with him. He's definitely with it. He's with, they're with what? They want Jay-Z's attempting to do to work. Like, they're happy that they have somebody from their culture,

somebody who understands their interests in the boardroom with these owners and the commissioner speaking for them. Okay, let me ask you this. So are you saying that if you waived your GZ bet, the desired outcome would be exactly as it is right now? No. Okay, if I waive my GZ bet, I would want impact change.

to double a triple the money, the $100 million that they initially allocated. I want that to go up to like 200, 300, and over the next five years, while Jay-Z is in business with the NFL, I would want that money to be allocated to all of these different community organizations and social justice initiatives that we talk about.

I would hope that, you know, Jay-Z puts himself in a position to where he gets some type of ownership stake in a team, which came out that he was, but that wasn't true, which I didn't think it was true from the beginning. Because I think that we have to change that good old boy system that exists

within the NFL. And the only, by the way, everywhere. But that exists everywhere. But the only thing that's going to really change that is money and power. And I don't think black people understand. Okay, time out.

This is our first generation of having real money and real power. But time out, because we're still on you waving your GZ back. So your desired outcome would be Jay owns a team. Not even just Jay. I want Jay to open the door

for other people to be able to own teams as well. Okay, so for black ownership, yes. For social impact, it's called social impact? Social, it's impact change. Impact change, sorry. Impact change to get $200 to $300 million.

Yes, to organizations that we know. Like the, I want Tamika and Mison on them to be funded. I want Erica Ford to be funded. I want these organizations that we see all the time out here doing the work to continue to get funded. Okay. And that's your desired outcome. And for Colin to get on a team. Okay.

That's going to make everybody happy. So I want to know why have we been fighting about this for a week if we agree? Because people act like what. Who is people? Talk to me. even you Okay, said He kept saying

You want Colin to get on a team Collin get on a team I don't like it if Colin on a team And I'm like Yo, we're dismissing thousands, hundreds of thousands of people that could get assistance

Just for Colin to have a job Did you ever hear me say that? Did you ever hear me say He needs to be gone If he can't get a team? Yes. No, I said I want him to Pause it and say

That this cannot go forward until And there's no way Well I, okay fine This was your jeezy bat. I'm saying I don't agree with that Because that's like, say Martin Luther King Jr. With the Montgomery Bus boycotts. And he's like, as long as you let Rosa sit where she wants to sit, it's fine.

That's not what I'm saying. But that's what it seems like. That's not what I'm saying. Because you got to do the boy. And by the way, this is the thing. And I just want to say this magic. I just want to say that his mic just got real loud because he decided he wasn't loud. No.

I just want to say Magic Jeezzy Bet. If we really want to, if we really going to be on some fuck the NFL shit, then y'all digers really got to be on some fuck the NFL shit. Can you not say that right now? I'm speaking to the people listening. So let me ask you this. Are you boycott the NFL? No.

I didn't boycott it last year either. I know you didn't. You never boycott it. I'm not. Yo, by the way, it's pointless. And I'm going to tell you why. I don't agree with that. If Colin Kaepernick still wants to be in the league, if Eric Reed is still playing,

if Kenny Stills and those guys are still playing and they're still kneeling and they still, you know, raising awareness and social injustice, why would I boycott the NFL? Like, to me, that's the most logically inconsistent thing that we can be sitting here discussing. Because we're saying, let's not watch, let's not watch, let's not watch, but Colin wants to play. Let's not watch, let's not watch, but Eric Reed plays. But he's not playing. But he wants to. But he's not.

If Colin was to say, if Colin was to speak and say, look, man, I'm never going be in the NFL again. That's a racist organization. I don't want no parts of it. Now he put a different type of pressure on. It's like, whoa. Whoa. If Eric Green was like, y'all ain't playing.

Because that's a racist organization. I don't like what they did to my brother. Whoa. Now you've got to make a stand for real. I wonder if the players could accept the fact. I agree with what you just said, by the way. So let me say that since you claimed that I just like to fight. you. I agree with that point.

But don't you think, too, that some of the responsibility is on the players, like if all the players said we're not playing until you sign him? That's fuck the NFL. Now you make us the viewers, the consumers of the NFL, now you make us really have to say

oh, I can't fuck with the NFL. I don't feel good about watching it though right now. Why? Because I just feel like I just feel like they could do something different and they're using their power to oppress and I think it is endemic of a larger problem in this country and when you're doing it and just

kind of poking your eye, poking me in the eye with it, it's just too much for me. Especially with Trump. It's the same reason why I can't go back. And you know, by the way, we didn't even get to our little mental health part yet. But I'm like, I need a soul cycle like thing. I need that outlet.

And I can't go because the dumb ass dude held a fundraiser for Trump. I had to cancel my Equinox membership and I can't go to Soul Cycle. I respect it. I like the fact that you. you have integrity, but let's be clear. Those guys still play for that dude.

Who? The Kenney Still, the people that's complaining. I love Kenny Stills. That's my man. Oh, you're talking about the guy, Norm Ross, that owns. Stephen Ross. He owns the Miami Dolphins. Norm is my friend.

Norm, I'm so sorry. I keep doing that. He owns the Miami Dolphys. It comes a point in time where we got to stop with these half-ass boy guys. But it's not half-ass. I feel morally like I cannot do that. I cannot do that. I cannot support these people who act like overseer.

of plantation. They're called owners. Like, I can't do it. And I can't, like, I just can't, and this dude just raised $250,000 per person for Trump. I can't do it. Do you know Donald Trump just put in, I think it was an amicus brief

in a court case saying that they want to be able to allow discrimination, like allow gay people to be fired because they're gay? Why are you looking at me like that? Did you process what I just said? Yeah, he said he wants to. They submit it. I think it was

Amicus brief saying that they are in favor of organizations being able to fire gay people because they're gay. Oh yeah, I don't know anything about that. Yes. Like, and I'm just telling you, like, it's so egregious. We're basically greenlighting concentration camps. Okay, let me talk. Like, we're greenlighting all of these things because we think our power doesn't exist because we think, like. What institution do we work for that probably isn't rooted in some type of race?

I know, but that's my whole thing. It's just like, number one, we need our own shit. A lot of these companies we work at don't have no black senior executives. I talk to you about this. That's what I'm saying. Like, they don't have no black senior executives, but they allow us to come on these platforms and get messaging out to our people. We'd even allow.

Like, that just doesn't sit right with me. Well, guess what? If they ever came to me, if I heart ever came to me and said, hey, you can't talk about X, Y, and Z no more. I'm going to be like, I'm out. Yeah. That's just the truth. That's just what I would do.

So when I look at those NFL players and they're complaining about being in a system, you know what I'm saying? They're complaining about being in the system while they're in the system. That just looks so weird to me. But there are a lot of organizations or corporations or industries that have what they call like affinity groups or like there's a black group, there's a Latino group, there's a women's group, there's an LGBTQIA group, and they do that. Like they are support networks because they are marginalized inside those organizations.

So it could be, all right, starve your families, you know, income and expenses be damned, or deal with it and figure out how to overcome it. And there are two schools of thought, right? There's some schools of thought that say only outside agitation works. Some people say you have to change the thing from the inside out. That's what you're supporting with Jay-Z. He's going on the inside and changing it from the inside out, hopefully. Or there's a hybrid approach.

And I believe you have to have both. The hybrid approach has to be more than just the other number four games, though. That's not what I'm saying. Like, Eric Reed should be on impact change. Eric Reed should be a part of these social justice. No. Like, he should be part of these social justice initiatives within the NFL. Like, by the way, those should be the faces.

Those should be the guys that's representing this. Those are the guys that are constantly making stands. Those are the guys that are protesting. Those are the guys that are speaking out. So they should be a part of that change. Well, what do we do to get them to do that? I have no. I did.

Yeah. We need to get the elders. I just think it's so logically inconsistent to knock Jay-Z for... We need to see, like, what, Mr. Belafonte and Maxine Waters, and maybe somebody can ask, Den Nelson Mandela now, who else could we ask? I think Harry would be with it, and I definitely know Maxine would be with it. You know how I know Maxine would be with it? Don't call her Maxine.

Queen Maxine. You know how I know Queen Maxine would be with it? Because Queen Maxine is a congresswoman. She's also, like, dope. She knows how to be an agitator and an advocate, and an activist. And she chose to be part of a racist system to try to change it from within.

Let's not act like the American government or some equal opportunity. No, but that's what I just said. I said a hybrid approach is necessary. And you can be both. And Harry rolled with Martin Luther King Jr. He was funded Martin Luther King. You know, let's not act like people

loved Martin Luther King Jr. When he was alive. They called him a sellout. Why do you say fight me on stuff? I'm not fighting. I'm just speaking for the people who don't know. They called Martin Luther King Jr. You're just being passionate right now.

Yes. They called him a sellout. They called him an sellout. They said he was co-opted by the government. Malcolm X said... They also called it. They said both extremes. They also said he was a communist and he was super radical and he hated white people.

They said there, he had, he faced it from two sides. And Malcolm X said that Martin Luther King Jr. was the white man's greatest. Then he went on his pilgrimage. He reversed course. Don't leave that with him. That is true. But I'm just speaking, I'm just speaking from the perspective of the way Martin Luther King Jr. was viewed when he was literally trying to impact change.

Yeah. No pun intended. No, you intended the pun. By the way, when I was younger, I used to look at guys like Martin Luther King Jr. And I used to be like, man, he's so soft. Because I used to love the radicals. I used to love the Malcolm Mexicans.

And I still do. You know, he's named that to Angela Davis. The Malcolm XVI's, the Elijah Muhammad, black pants, all that. There was nobody more radical than Martin Luther King Jr. Well, I think that radical is in the approach. And he was radical, but he was also nonviolent. So there was something, I'm just going to be honest. There's something in my carnal nature that relishes the fact that Huey P would

have that gun right there. I'm scared of guns, but he had that gun right there. You would never see, or that picture of Malcolm X where he's peeking out the one of them. Yeah, but guess what? They never took those guns and was on the front lines fighting with Marliver King Jr. I didn't see it. And that's what we got. Well, they weren't marching with him, period.

But Martin was everywhere. You think they didn't know what was going on? Martin was going to watch California. He was in Selma. Martin was in Chicago. I know that, but here's the thing. I'm not saying that they were right alongside him. They couldn't.

He would not have allowed guns to be with him doing an nonviolent protest. Well, they didn't have to be, they could have been there. They didn't have to be marching with Martin, but they could have been there to let them know if anything happens to Mark, because, listen, Stokey Carl Michael used to march with Martin.

That's true. And he wasn't, he wasn't nonviolent at all. Stokey was with all the shit. That's true. So Malcolm, and by the way, I used to hear that Malcolm used to want to go, but they wouldn't, the N.O.I wouldn't let him.

I don't know how true that is. So I don't know. All I'm saying is that all of those people could have been in those places while Martin then was getting knocked upside the head and sprayed with hoses just to let them white people know, y'all move wrong on our folks it's going to be problems it's going to be consequences and repercussions

It also could have resulted in like great death though And at least it would have been somebody else dying other than us Because a lot of us died I'm talking about we could they had guns the police had guns It'd have been a big shootout and then they'd have some gun control laws Okay well thank God would you not Lord help Listen they don't care about gun control listen the hunter will never care about gun control laws as long as the hunter has the gun and the rabbits don't So when as the rabbits start getting some guns then they want to go do some gun control

Laws. Yes. And we've been the rabbits since day one. I'm a damn rabbit. I am a lion. We ought to hunted. I am a lion. In Africa. All right. Not here in America. I'm a leopard. By the way, have you seen what white people do to wild animals?

But they like, remember Cecil the lion? They like Cecil the lion. They killed Cecil. No, but they loved him. They loved him more than they loved our black lives. They was all on social media protecting Cecil. They don't hardly be saying nothing about it. Okay, let's move on. Okay, but what's the moral of the story?

The moral of the story is, even though you scream fighting me, we pretty much agree on this. The only thing that we differ on is the severity of the importance of Colin getting a job. I think that you place a little less emphasis than I think. Okay, let me finish, let me put a button on that. Okay. I look at guys like Muhammad Ali. Mm-hmm.

I look at what Muhammad Ali chose the sacrifice, right? because I'm looking at Colin's slogan. Colin's slogan for his night campaign was... For his what? For his Nike campaign. Oh, Nike. His slogan was, um, stand for something, even if it means sacrificing everything. Now, I don't know what y'all think sacrificing everything means, but sacrificing your

NFL career, because now God has put you in a position to where you're larger than football and your voice is bigger than football and people are looking at you as a leader. I don't think that's much of a sacrifice, especially when you're still getting millions of dollars to be who you are. You're still getting your Nike deals. You still got your back pay from the NFL. You still got your deal with Apple.

You still got your book deal. It's not like, Muhammad Ali was broke for three years. Like literally broke. But you know, Muhammad Ali did? He went out there and he spoke against racial injustice. He went out there and he spoke against the Vietnam War. He put, even though he was fighting. But Con still has no your rights camp.

Like he's still educating like young black kids on what's right. And I would like to see way more of that than I do him fighting to get back in the NFL. I would like to see way more of that than I would do videos of, you know, him working out to try to get back in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick is bigger than football. Okay, but let me just say this. What happens if, or what would happen if you're, like, your passionate, passion and first love career-wise is, like, I don't know that I would just say radio. It's like, it's, but, well, it's not just radio because you also do this on TV and on. on social.

It's definitely radio though. Really? Yeah, because everything, all of that is fruit from the tree of radio. Okay. It happens without my radio. Okay, fine. But let's say that it evolves and it's like now there's, you know, a show and a platform and it's going well. And then you stand up against some injustice, whether it's, I don't know, us,

not being paid the same as white folks or something. And that thing is taken from you. It's going to be hard for you and us as a. the people to not be like, yo, that wasn't right. Both things still aren't right. That what he was speaking up for and the fact that he lost his job standing for what's right were never letting this shit go. And I'm going to still have my voice because I'm going to still have podcasts.

I'm going to still write books. Okay, but it's still a little different. Even without that, I'm going to just touch the people and go talk at these schools. But he does that. And I think that it would be not. He doesn't talk. Let's not, he doesn't talk. Okay.

That's fair. But also, to be fair. to make this analogous, we were talking about you talking, because that's your first love. That's not necessarily his first love is football. And so, of course, he's focused on his first love for career, which is football. And so I just think that it would be good for us as frustrated as we can be. That's our brother, but as frustrated as we can be, like to remember that that's still his first love. Yeah, but I know God.

And I know that sometimes your good plan is not God's plan for you. So when I can look at somebody. Okay, good plan versus God. I'm playing that. So where are we going to bring that back up? That's it. When I can visibly look at somebody and tell that God has moved them in another space, but they keep fighting to be in that box that he used to be in,

and it's wondering why it's not fitting, why that square is trying to go through a round hole. That's real. That's what's going on with Colin right now. Colin is bigger than football, and he has to accept his place as being a voice, a leader. Like, they're calling him to Muhammad Ali of our time. Well, you got to go back and study what Ali was really about. Because when your Nike campaign says, but stand for something, even if it means sacrificing everything,

let's be totally clear. He's not sacrificing everything. He's sacrificing the NFL career. Martin Luther King Jr. sacrificed everything. Muhammad Ali really sacrificed almost everything because he had everything. He kept everything but his life. I mean, he had his life. But he lost everything for real.

Can I ask you this? So now this is kind of moving into the therapy portion. but I was having this conversation with Yadi about Explain to the people who Yadi is Oh Yadi is my The rapper from QC That's what she gets her guy Little Yadi.

No this is Big Yaddy Big Yaddy said She's my like holistic Therapist Wellness coach Executive coach In leadership development Mental health checks and balances Like just everything she's awesome

But Yadi was telling me that In our culture in particular, really all cultures who have been colonized, that we have this martyrdom trait about us, which requires that we have to sacrifice a whole lot before we can get to whatever the pleasure is, right? Like personally, you know, professionally, spiritually, emotionally, emotionally, whatever it is.

And so part of my challenge to this is if Malcolm X and Huey P. and Asada and Angela Davis and Martin Luther King and John Lewis and Darcy and Muhammad Ali, all these folks sacrificed everything. Why should the same level of sacrifice if we've advanced a little bit? I'm not saying we're where we need to be. But if they laid the groundwork for that, shouldn't our role be a little bit easier?

It is. Okay. So then if he sacrificed a thing, why is that sacrifice not sufficient? And even if it was a timeout, this timeout is more than sufficient because he didn't deserve it to begin with. I think it's an NFL career. And I understand that Colliman plans as he was eight years old. See, that's hard. That's all you know.

But, yo, the sacrifice that to be able to save your people in a real way? That's nothing. Walter King Jr. is dead. Michael Max is dead. That's my point. Does it require death now? Should it require death now? And I would say, no.

Listen, by the way, the way to wait. the way this country is going? Yeah, but I'm saying just because that's the way that it is doesn't mean that's the way that it should be. Who's the white man? Does it give me freedom or give me death? That wasn't a white man?

It wasn't? No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. Who was it? It was a white man. That's not like some of a black person was saying. Exactly, that's my point. You know, white people always

give me freedom or give me death. Who said that? That's so sad that we don't know this. Right after I just got this. Oh, give me liberty or give me. Yeah, that's great. Okay. He made that at the Second Virginia Convention.

But my point is... There's a Republican congressman. At least there was named Patrick Mick Henry. I don't know who that is. But anyway, I have heard that, but that sounds very black. But that's my point. Okay. That's for us.

That's for oppressed people, marginalized people. Yes, but I think the Yadi's point was that we shouldn't have to stay there. We shouldn't have to stay there in a place where we shouldn't. I'm not saying we are not. Where we have to sacrifice our literal lives. Sacrifice all of our freedom, every pleasure, everything that's fun, everything that's good, everything that we enjoy, that's not what the ancestors fought for.

So we have to figure out a way to advance beyond where they were, where that next generation was, and where we are so that these next generation of kids can have it better. But it shouldn't be that in order to be a down-ass black person or to be for the culture, you got to lose everything. I'm going to answer to you.

Do we act like we're so far removed, but we're not? We're not. But I'm saying... My Oliver King Jr. got killed in, what, 68? Yeah. Marquemette got killed in, what, 65? No. Like three years before Martin or maybe two?

Was it 67? I don't think it was a year before Martin. I think it was a couple years before Martin. Anyway, here's the point. The point is that we shouldn't have to keep dying. We should be able to move on. And I'm not saying that we're there yet, but it shouldn't require you losing everything

because you stood up for what's right. It's time for them to do something. But here's the thing. Oh, you're right, it was 65. How'd you pee me on history? He didn't lose everything. Okay, but I know I get that. I'm saying he shouldn't have to either.

He's made millions of. the past couple years. Okay, but he didn't make what he could have made if he was in the NFL. We don't know that. Anyway. I mean, we don't. Let's move on to Popeyes or something. Oh, yeah, let's talk about some, let's talk about something else that's going to kill us

niggas in the long ago. Highies. All right? Popeye's might be the new smallpox gangers and we don't even know it. Wait, did you see the thing, the meme that was like, you're just about to be a commercial in 30 years that says if you ate a Popeye's chicken sandwich, you're at risk for mesothelioma? That is very scary. to me, you know, because I

saw it and I was like, damn, that looked good. Did you eat it? No. I didn't eat it. And I posted about it last Monday just because all the interns here were talking about it. And I was like, about the chicken sandwich? Yes. Okay. But after a couple days. Are you the tipping point? Are you the one that helped them get $23 something million in social

media? I might be. You need to get sent for your check. Send a letter to corporate, an issue, a demand letter. Let's talk about that. Go ahead. Because y'all niggas are really crazy with that. Keep saying that to me and see if this phone doesn't. fly. Here's the

Why don't we call some y'all-nickers podcast? You get on my nerves. I can't stand you. Like, seriously. Anyway, here's the point. I feel like

they stay benefiting off of like the culture of cool, which we created like on the continent. Who fraud is that, though? I'm not assigning

blame right now. This is just an observation. You always want to get straight to the argument, now we're just laying out the facts. So there's a, how much money did they make? I saw it was like $23.5 million in advertising. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Out of that day, it's probably triple that now. So here's the thing. Like I drove by my neighborhood Popeye's long drive-in line and there were people lined up outside the door. So if this is your fault, we're going to send a collection check for you. I don't know what y'all mad at Popeye's for. I'm not mad at Popeye's for. I'm not mad at Pop-I's for.

I'm not mad at Pop-Pi's for. I'm making an observation. Black people. Let me tell y'all something. Nobody told y'all, number one. Why are you saying y'all? Are you black? Yes.

Are you sure? But I haven't eaten this sandwich. I got to talk to you. I'm not eating the sandwich? Nobody. The people listen to us. 23.25 million equivalent ad value and media mentions for Popeye's chicken sandwich

in first 11 days from digital newsprint, radio, TV, and social. Did you get the article I sent you from BET? Where? Hold on. BET posted it But somebody else wrote it Well, here's my question

I just want to know I want to know what the number was after you mentioned it What are you talking about? Don't you think Because you can get a check You can maybe can fund all the kids College money

I mean yeah There's scholarship What? Why not? You better get your money, man You was an unofficial endorser of said nasty ass chicken sandwich We do that all day

I know and my point is We should be getting credit for that Why? Because we need the money Listen, nobody told y'all niggas to buy this shit And nobody tells y'all to post it all over social media You posted it. I'm talking about you. I posted it because it's a...

You are y'all niggins today. That's right. I posted it because it's a good-looking sandwich And I was like, damn, I want this. No, I haven't eaten it yet. And I posted it because my friends, my interns and coworkers eating the shit and they like it. And I'm like, damn, that shit look good.

But it wasn't a cheat day for me. So I haven't eaten it yet. And I don't plan to eat it now. What day is your cheat day? I usually do weekends. But now you think you're going to get miso things. Yeah, I'm not doing it now. Now, because now they ran out of chicken.

So you don't see all the signs that saying Popeye sold out. So they're about to have fake GMO. They're going to have GMO to the next batch. But also, that should tell you that they weren't expecting the boon that exists from when black folks get involved in social media. Who told y'all niggas to post this shit? You're posting about it. Yes. That's your fault.

But nobody told you guys. They're doing songs about it. They're doing videos. Yes, your fault. They were like, maybe if I post this, Lenar going to put it on his page. I saw it. I saw it on social media and I heard it from the interns. That's why I got it from.

What day did you see it? I saw it last Monday. Last Monday. Mm-hmm. Last Monday. So that's exactly a week ago. A week ago. Which means that it's probably $11 million.

I just think it's so crazy to me that black people would eat something on their own, post something on their own, then turn around and say, hey, we need a check for that. Yeah? I'm not saying, I'm saying you need a check for that. I'm trying to get your check. I ain't never seen your story. So that means Jordan over the check? You love me and cheap. I mean, Jordan Olinche, Nike O'S and Chek,

Hercie, Hercie, Hacchee, Hacchee, Hacchee, Hacchee, Hacchee, Gucci, Mane. Whatever you got on right now. Yes. I'm wearing Zara Pan. Zara, oh, Zara, definitely will y'all a check. Panzaa named after a black woman.

And Tom Ford shoes. Tom for, see what I'm saying? And JZ wrote a whole song. Black people have been doing free promotion for years. I got this time from Club Monaco. From what? Last thing I got. Club Monaco, it's like Banana Republic,

it's like Banana Republic. It makes no sense. Did you hear me say Gap Band? The logic makes no sense to me. Like right now I have on Black by Popular Demand socks. I know and his feet smell like corn chips. That's not true. I have on a Rock Nation t-shirt, a Rock Nation's jacket.

Does Rock Nation sponsor you? No. They should because you always got on airplanes. You know why? Because they're black-owned. Same reason I wear Art Meets Chaos. Same reason I wear Black by Popular Demand. What's Art Meets Chaos?

It's a brand by my man, Don. Don used to own PRPS, but he sold his portion of PRPS. Now he has his own brand called Art Meets Chaos. you, the Rock Nation people would give you free stuff. They do give you free stuff. That's the same thing as being sponsored. Then you jackass. That's not a sponsorship.

It is. If you get free stuff, it's sponsored. I get boxes of clothes from all type of black designers and I wear it because they're black. Okay. When's the last time you bought a Rock Nation Plains thing? When's the last time I bought a Rock Nation's planes thing? Exactly. So he's got a sponsor shirts.

When? I bought some, um... He's cheap. He's cheap. I bought a Rock Nation T-shirts all the time. When? Like, they come in a three-pack. They come in a black.

They come in black. white and gray and I like him because I like the way they fit. When was it last time you bought them? Maybe like a week ago, two weeks ago. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. But he is normally cheap.

I always support, I support black companies. I support black. I wear serve fresh all the time. When I post those shirts and I say I'm having a great shirt day, those are black companies. I know that. I know that. I tag, Art Meets Chaos and all of these people are on purpose. I don't know Art Meets Chaos, though.

What's the one that did the Issa jacket? Oh, that's my man Stan noodles. I root him for everybody, black. I forgot what Noodles Company called Fat Boy Productions or something like that because he's fat as fuck. But listen, here's the thing. That is disrespectful. He's fat.

Don't call him fat. Don't call him fat when he's not fat no more. But listen to me. I'm not doing this too. Why do we want money from Popeye? Serious question. I don't want money from Popeyes. I'm trying to get you a check.

I've never seen him so resistant to the Popeye's you on my brother a check. He helped blow up the chicken sandwich. I chose to do that. By the way, I've eaten Pop-Bats for a year. I call it Pop-Bas chicken and nigger cookies. Time out. Stop. Do you ever, have you ever received money for an influencer post? Yeah. Exactly. That's what the hell that was.

But think about it like this. What? They come to me at first. No, but I'm saying now you could be like, I had no idea that my influence was going to send that line out the door. Let me help you. I will say. Do you know that's what the white boys do while you're fighting me on this? What?

This is what they do. my influence resulted in a 64% uptick on social media mentions of your sandwich. That equates to blah, blah, blah. You might want to... Well, here's the thing. They might not want to give you one now, though, because you keep saying you're not going to eat the sandwich. I'm not. But here's the thing.

I love Papa, by the way. You're right. Because... I know. I've done so many... I've gotten so many deals and opportunities with companies because I organically... That's my whole point. When I got my deal with Remy, I really drink Remy.

This is my, hello. I was talking about drinking Remy. I just want to point out that for the last 12 minutes at least, you have fought me on something that now you're having to say, you know what? Actually. What is different though. If Popeyes came to me and said, hey, we want to give you a deal because. Popeyes, you owe him a deal. But are you going to eat the sandwich then?

I don't think so. I don't know. I really don't know. There's something about it that's not sitting well with me because. Mesothelioma. Yeah, I just don't like when things I don't like social media viral stuff like that like something makes me think something

isn't right Like you think the Russians are involved Something you know what I'm saying Like it don't feel like you're such I thought I was that It doesn't feel right That feels normal to you? No

That's what I'm saying But you I thought that they paid you off like your home girl No it don't feel no It feels it don't feel normal to me to see that happening You can get a cough and chest pain It's a mesothelioma is a tumor of the tissue that lines the lung, stomach, heart, and other organs. But where does it come from?

Is this the thing that came from smoking? I know one thing. Genetically modified. Eugenically modified, genetically modified chicken, going to be the death of y'all, niggas. Well, they could put asbestos in chicken because it says a miso thileoma is caused by asbestos. That's the main way that it comes.

What if black people start dropping dead in a few weeks? Everybody ate the chicken sandwich. That's not funny. Take that back. Don't put that out there. Same way they put, Smallpox in the blankets for the Native Americans. Misothelioma.

You know how stupid that are looking history books in the future? Why are we talking about this? People with Popeye's chicken sandwich. But you could put asbestos fibers in the thing and that's how people can get it. We should make that into a movie. What? A bunch of your niggas dying from Popeye's chicken sandwiches.

Misothelioma, asbestos in the food, in the chicken sandwich. I think they could be doing that now. But that's what I'm saying? We should put it in a movie. What was your point about talking about Papa other than you being hungry? Who knows? You threw it.

You hijacked it and, like, threw it off. I just, I just, the article I sent you was basically the guy or girl, because I'm not sure who wrote the article, but they were basically saying that black people are old, something from Popeyes. And the headline was like, Pop-I's. I think that there could be some truth to that. I'm saying if, I'm saying if we, well, okay, maybe it's not Popeyes,

but maybe we should develop a case study of all the times we made something go viral and it popped and then figure out how to monetize it. I think that that's the smart business thing to do. Let me ask y'all a simple question. Who is y'all? There's nobody else sitting in here. Okay. Let me ask that.

You're not asking me that. Why? You don't mean that in the positive way. If I was a corporate entity, right? A brand. Why would I ever pay you to do something that you already doing for free? Because what I'm saying is that we, well, if we suggested that we would not do that anymore. It would never happen.

Well, anyway. You niggas love luxury too much. Stop. chicken sandwich luxury with asbestos in it. I'm not just talking about Papa, I'm just talking about in general. Y'all like these brands, y'all love them.

Who is y'all? What you're wearing right now, Mrs. Tom Ford? I just told you I have a club. Zara is not luxury. I can't tell. It's $80 for these fans. That's a lot of money.

No, it's not. Okay, tell the women that shop at Rainbow that. You know much you can buy in Rainbow with $80? No. Oh, don't act like you... Oh, so now you're too good for Rainbow? I've never been in Rainbow. Naja was telling me the other day.

She was like, something Rainbow. I was like, what's that? She was like, why do you not know what rainbow is? And then I was like, okay, I just drove by one in the head. I know what it is. No, she does not. She was telling me what it was. She said something about rainbow and I was like, what is that?

And then, never mind. You won't know when y'all get caught in the rain. But I've been there. I used to buy stuff for Forever 21. Forever 21 is cool. Isn't that like Rainbow? No. Oh, it's not?

No. Rainbow is like the Popeye's chicken sandwich of clothing. But it's forever 21. See, I don't just look at it. I don't just look at Popeye's sandwich. It's black, though. Have you not heard the... Do you want me to play,

Louisiana? What did I say? Yeah, but chicken ain't a black thing. Come on, bro. Listen to this commercial. They co-opted, like, Louisiana sound, and they got the black lady on the commercial. Popeye's originated in Louisiana.

But also, it's not black-owned. It's Cajian. No, that's not true. It's not a bunch of... No, but I'm saying it's not a black-founded entity here. I really don't know who owns it. You know what I love about Louisiana? What's that I'm using?

Have you tasted my cooking? Have you tasted pop-hye sweet-y-fired? You know, Monica's a little sweet with my shortbread flavor. You've been a huge. You've read spicy shrimp and sweet shortbread. A dude, you can grab eight shrimp plus a side and a biscuit for just five bucks. Or mixing some tenders with my surfing too. We really do.

Love that chicken from pop-eyes. They didn't play that chicken from pop-eyes. I just gave them a whole commercial. Now they really owe you. That's been going on for decades. I know that, but my point is like that is a form of culture and pro-ympies. because there's no black founder in the entity. Like, Popeye's not founded by black people.

I don't know. I really don't know what Popeye founded by. Look it up. I know that Popeye's a vegetarian. All he ate with spinach. So I don't understand the whole chicken correlation. That's how far back I go with Popeyes. I remember when Popeyes used to really be Popeyes.

The man that ate spinach all the time. Yeah, I love them. So the parent organization is Restaurant Brands International. Who is the real owner? Popeyes. CEO Cheryl Backhielder. Cheryl backhelder? Yeah.

Popeyes paid the family of its founder, Al Copeland, $43 million. Copeland's a black name. No, it might just be a plantation owner named Copeland. You just think about the restaurant named Copeland. And I grew up with a bunch of Copland's in most people. Yeah, it might have been a plantation owner, Popeyes. I'm not to look it up. The moral of the story is.

Yeah, because we are really young. Y'all niggas love two pea spicys. This dude is not. He looks like Rambo. That's Al Copeland. You ain't going to stop eating Popeyes. I don't eat Popeyes. Never?

No, I haven't eaten Popeyes in years. Alvin Charles Copeland. He died in 2008 in Germany. From eating them chicken sandwiches. The experimental ones. That's the ones that they fucking saw. Why do I talk to you? They experimented with those and then they produced them for mass market consumption

11 years later. Did you know that they purchased? Popeyes was the third largest chicken chain in 89. They purchased Church's chicken, the second largest. The parent company Al Copeland Enterprise is operated the two chains separately. So how the fuck is chicken considered a black stereotype? All the white people is buying chicken. Because it's the same thing as like why there are a ton of beauty product companies

that are owned by white folks and we still consume it. It's based on what we consume. It's based on what they can get us to spend our money on, not based on us owning it. That's the whole problem, which is a whole different issue that we probably don't have time to discuss. But when we talk about our buying power, the thing that frustrates me about us talking about our buying power is we always talk about it as us as the consumer, not our dollar power, our investment power. You know until the next summer. By the way, Chip Phila, if you want a game plan, holl at me. I knew you were going to say something stupid.

I saw it on your face. He was like this. No, I know. You look like you were concentrating too hard. for it to be real. I got the game plan for Chick-fil-A to compete with this next summer, baby. The watermelon milkshake. All right?

They got the peach milkshake now. I kind of want to taste a watermelon. See what the fuck? I'm saying? That watermelon milkshake will rip at Chick-fil-A next summer. But I think that might be nasty. It needs to be like a watermelon slushy. Like, you know how watermelon sorbet?

It's not ice cream. You ever had the peach milkshake from Chick-fil-A? No, I don't want that. Ooh. I don't like peaches and cream. Ooh. Anything. Watermelon milk.

milkshake. Now, when they come out with it, and I tell you that we should have sent them a letter getting your money. Now you look at your little eyes store. Now you're like, wait, no, I shouldn't. No, y'all going to look stupid as hell eating them chicken sandwiches with the watermelon slushy. White people are crying laughing. No, see, I said slushy.

You said milkshake. A milkshake. Either all. You wouldn't want to give any money off of that. That's your idea. That's your intellectual property. You are so crazy. Do you know this is literally what happened to black inventors?

A black inventor would be like, I got it. I'm going to figure out. out of way so you could talk to somebody through a machine and they can hear it. And then Alexander Graham Bell's ass stole the idea. I don't think I would want to make money off of a chicken place selling watermelon slush. Come on, man. I'm saying the point is like for years, for centuries, white folks have been selling the

IP of black people and getting money off of it. And we're leaving while like, well, it was just a good idea. I guess I'm just going to pass it on and move on to the next thing. Do you know that if I did that? Imagine me. Let go of the watermelon thing for a minute. I agree with your point. But imagine next summer I'm endorsing chick-fil-A.

They're going to drag you anyway. They're going to drag you anyway because the crazy thing about it is why you're laughing. If they were to do it, you're going to post about it and say something about it anyway. So you're going to do something. Yes, you would. I would ignore that one. No, you wouldn't. I would tell you why I would ignore it.

Let me tell you why I know you wouldn't ignore it because you literally just thought of it. So as soon as you saw it, you're going to be like, God, there is. No, that's what I'm saying. You'll play this clip again. This is what I'm trying to tell you. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Either way. He's so problematic.

He got, you know, my nerves. He gave a chick-fil-a-a-water watermelon milk shake. And then I'm trying to tell you what you put on your post. You put on here, I can't believe we spit this one. But it's important to talk about chicken in our buying power.

And it's also important to talk about it is. And it's also important to talk about our money in other ways besides this. So you literally wrote a love letter to said chicken sandwich. Hello? I'm listening. You wrote a love letter. to the chicken sandwich. And you said, signed,

sincerely a nigger about to cry while eating a salad for lunch. That's right. Okay. So tell me why I should believe you that you wouldn't post about a watermelon milkshake? Because I posted that prior to this whole outbreak of Popeye's chicken sandwiches. Outbreak, it sounds like it.

And if I would have waited a beat and saw everybody going crazy over this Popeye's chicken sandwich, I would have never said anything about it. Really? Other than why y'all niggas going so crazy over the property of Shiger family? Okay. Now notice the series of events. You saw everybody going crazy after your love letter to the chicken sandwich. No, it was a little before.

No. You said you wouldn't have posted about it if you would have saw everybody going crazy. No, but they can run this back. Yeah, but they were crazy or crazier like later on in the week. Yes. And all I'm trying to tell you is maybe you deserve a payment for the uptick in social media advertisement. By the way, I talk about popoff. talk about this on air?

I've been talking about Popeyes, my whole life on air. I know that, but have you. I call it Popeye's chicken and niggickies. You guys call him because he's ready for this. You can't say the nigger cookies part. It's not exactly. What hell? A biscuit is a nigger cookie.

Can you stop saying that? Especially because you know the stuff they call us about biscuits. I hate you. I hate you so. By the way, that would hurt more. What? What do they say? What do they call it?

Hot butter biscuits. That's cool. Because I love biscuits. But I don't like that because I'm yellow. Hot button. I don't think it's nice that I'm like trying, I'm trying to be vulnerable about this. And you're laughing at my pain. Because I laugh, listen, by the way, I laugh with Angela Rye about this stuff because she really doesn't like it.

But my thing is this. He's a troll. No, my thing is this. When y'all call people budded biscuits, number one, I love butted biscuits. Everybody loves biscuits. So why are people, what's the beef with biscuits? But I don't want to be a biscuit. I love biscuits.

I don't want to be a biscuit. Listen, that is the funniest thing to call somebody, yo. No, it's not. I like Nigger Cookie better, though. That would piss you off more. I really don't like that. I can accept and, you know, people probably don't like the fact that I say, nigga, I do. But like, I don't want, I don't, I don't, nigger cookie sounds a little KKK to me.

That's what I'm saying. I don't like that. Or hot-budded nigger cookie? No, I'm going to throw my pen. Like, that really feels like a fighting phrase. Like, don't say that. Speaking of... Oh, my God.

Integration. Okay. All right. Did you hear about the lady in Michigan? Did you watch the video I say you? I did watch the video. I did watch it. I want to fight about this.

Okay. Because you felt like it wasn't that bad. No. Let's play it for the people. Yeah. Because we can't even... I can have tail in starting to clip to them. I know, but I want to put it.

play it to refresh your recollection. My suggestion, recommendation, keep Marysville a white community as much as possible. Why, seriously, in other words, no foreign-born, no foreign people because of what, And, oh, how can I say, in our past what we have experienced is better to have it or have it simply American-born, put it that way. My son-in-law is a black man, and I have biracial grandchildren. And I take this very, very personally, what you've said, and I know that there's nothing I can say that's going to change your mind.

but we all have the same that we just need to have more kindness that's it the best part of that video is that in the middle of it she says after saying what she said she goes how can I say this as she was looking for it exactly I didn't have a problem with it because that was the most sophisticated

racism and bigotry I've heard in a long time that was not sophisticated very sophisticated how was it sophisticated She didn't call nobody out of their name. She just said, look, man, I want more white communities. And this is the reasons why. Like, listen, why are we acting surprised that racism and big a few exist in America? I'm not asking surprised that it exists.

I keep hearing y'all say that as 2019. When did she change? I think that my point is like, okay, right now, right now is we're recording this podcast. It is the 400th anniversary of the first enslaved, at least documented enslaved person arriving on these shores. Right now as we speak, NAACP is in. gone on a pilgrimage there for the year's turn. I'm going in December. You coming?

I want to go. But here's my question. Shouldn't we accept or expect that we would have made some modicum of advancement in 400 years on racism? Like what I feel like has happened? We have. Okay. But what I'm just stuck in the past.

No, it's not just her. The damn president is stuck in the past. You're right. You're 78 years old. It doesn't matter. It's not just old people. It's young people too. Dillon Roof.

Because they're retarded. No. Don't say retarded. Man, they retarded-ass racist. Okay, and we go, like, we need to stop it. Like, we need to stop calling it what it is. You know my problem, my biggest problem with that video? Nobody else on that panel called that lady what the fuck she was.

Now, I agree. That's my point. I'm not, I'm not. A racist bigot. Yes. Like nobody said anything's all being, all being so nice. And then the other lady said, we need to have more kindness. No, there's no kindness.

Kick her ass out of the race. Force her to resign. Make her resign? Where's that energy at? That's my thing, too. Why does she allow it? Why she? Now you got mad because before you was like, it's fine.

Now what? Because I don't want to get, I can't get robbed up because there ain't nobody else getting robbed up. I'm riled up. But she should be fired. She wasn't, she doesn't have a job yet. She's running for office.

This is her pitch. She's going to win. No, she's not going to win. Did you see the back? She had, Michigan? Yes. Oh yeah, she probably won't. And that's my thing, right?

Like, for me, I'm like, okay. And I'm just going to be honest, my, my, the stereotypical thinking I have about the South, I was like, where is she at it? In Alabama? This is in Michigan. In Marysville, Michigan. And I'm just like, okay, I can't.

Like Donald Trump has so normalized it. They used to at least be sneaky about it. I'm not saying sneaky racism is better, yes. But like now it's just like they can just be out and out bigots. He tweets bigotry and racism every day. But nobody calls them out except for on Twitter. That's my problem. Oh, I call her out.

But on that panel, she should have been checked right then and then. She should have turned red immediately right then and then. Do you know they went to her door and out? Asked her about it. Bikari sent us this clip. It asked her about it on the YouTube thing. I bet you ain't said no black people would have, though. They should have.

I bet you more than no black or porn. But wait, I want you to hear this one too. I'm sorry, but I do that there. No black cameramen. Where is it when he sent? This one is crazy. So she like tries to double down on this stuff. Why shouldn't she?

Hold on, hold on. Here it goes. Hold on. Here it goes. This is crazy. Criticizing you for your comment. Well, tell us exactly what you said yesterday. You talked about you didn't believe in you wanted to, what did you want to happen with Marysville?

You didn't, you wanted it to stay a certain way. Tell us about that. Well, we like Marysville the way it is. But as far as having a black couple moving in, we have no problem with that. But where it's wrong is when you have a white white woman. woman and a black husband, a white wife and a black husband

together, that's wrong. And vice versa. And why is it? It's simply against the Bible. Like I was telling her. God created Adam and Eve. That's kind. Tim Ray's all around. And that's how he

wants that. He's our example. There's no black and white couples walking on the art. Talk about what you want. What is? You don't know. You have no idea. that you wanted it to stay white. Tell us about that. Well, just that is a nice city the way it is.

We have... Meaning white? If black people, if a black couple wants to move in, fine. It's one black couple. But to have the mixed marriage, no. This half a literally doesn't know her point. Like she doesn't know if she's mad about a mixed couple And she didn't want no black people at the city council

Whatever it was she was saying she didn't want any immigrants They couldn't be foreign born Can we can we be honest for a second Y'all don't like seeing black men with white women either Y'all don't First of all I am not That is I don't because I don't ever know who you're talking about When you say y'all

I'm not going to include you and y'all But can you admit? I literally have mixed couples. Like, I have mixed cousins. But can you be honest and say that the community, a lot of black people... Has a visceral reaction to mixed... It's not like seeing black men with white women. There's a visceral reaction.

Yeah, Van Jones got a divorce from his white woman because he got talking about the Twitter selective. That is not right. Van, he's sorry. He's ignorant. But here's the thing. What I think is ignorant about this is at the city council mill where the public meeting they had earlier in that day, she was saying no foreign born. We want to keep it white.

Then when she goes on here, she was like, well, it can be black people, a black couple, like one black couple. But it can't be a black husband and a white wife because that's just wrong. It's against the Bible. God made Adam and Eve. Yeah, that's stupid. Like, I mean, it's... But I understand her logic, though, because what she's saying is something that I keep trying to tell people that they're very afraid of. They're very afraid of losing their whiteness.

They're definitely afraid of 2040. They're tired of all of these... They're definitely tired of brown people. And they're definitely tired of all of these mixed-raised babies. They don't want that. They want pure white to keep their lineage. Not even just lineage to keep their political power. But you know what's so crazy?

They have never been pure white. Slave masters were taking advantage of black women. Absolutely. Like, that's never been a thing. And they weren't claiming them. And the slave master's wife had some black dudes too. And they weren't claiming them. They weren't claiming the kids.

Yeah. Tromtherman didn't claim his kids. Yeah. And that was later. But yeah. He didn't claim them. He didn't claim them girls. He was impregnating and having babies from.

But I think I'm just saying, like, I am irritated by the fact that it could be 2019 and she could say something that sounds like we went back 50 years. What? I honestly don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is liberals and Democrats being so pussy. Like, why can't they start speaking out? This podcast is over.

I'm serious. What are you talking about? Why can't they speak like that? Why can't they be direct just like that? And say what? You racist, big. white devil crack ass cracker

like for real like yo why can't you give them that same energy let people know that this is unacceptable but I think that some people do like if let's go because you call Democrats and liberals be by the way everybody on that panel was so nice you gotta admit it was so much nice to you where no I'm talking about when they

talk about Donald Trump they go they go ham no they don't yes they do you better pull up some Elizabeth Warren so she get the shaking at here she'd be going ham Kamala Harris? They just came around to calling Donald Trump racist. No. Well, yeah, during the election.

It's just become acceptable to call him racist. But you know that I have a whole thing about this. It'll cause a whole meltdown about how I used to say it on air and people would flip out. They'd flip out, yeah. And I'd be like, what the, like, what are you saying that I'm not seeing vice versa? Because I've been saying this, but it's fine. Now is the thing to say. And they should be calling him what he is.

I made you a fan. They should be calling him a fascist now. But they're not doing that. So it's just like, for me, it's like, I just want Democrats to start understanding that the language of politics. six is dead and start talking back to them in a real way. I agree with that part. You got to have, we got to practice more kindness. Man, what is that going to do?

This lady just told you all she don't want no niggas, no black people in a five mile radius of her. No, she didn't. No immigrants. And think about that, no immigrants with everything that's going on with the wall and the border and all that. Like, why are you just sitting back? Like, oh.

Like, why are you just taking aback by that on that panel? Because, you know, white privilege is. White privilege lets you just say, oh, that's not nice and move on about your day. For the rest of us. It ends up being a matter of life and death. Yes, there was no black people on that panel. No. Because Tony Morrison would have been calmed.

Minister Farrakhan would have snapped on her. I'm going to learn how to be that calm. And take their head right off. They sound like a killer. Yes. I want to learn how to do that. Because you know what happens? Everybody posts that clip.

That clip circulates and it normalizes that kind of rhetoric. You think so? Yes, and there's no pushback. There's no real. That should have been pushed back in that moment. Because to me, if I'm watching that, if I don't, just think about how kids are nowadays. If I don't see a bunch of people on that panel,

You know what she should do? Let's call the Marysville City Council and ask them what's going to happen to this lady. Nothing's going to happen to Gene Kramer. Nothing's going to happen to Gene Kramer. You don't want to call and ask? Let's call it. Let's call it after. Talk to Jean Kramer.

No, she doesn't live there. She's not a candidate. Yeah, what's up? You want to try to call her phone? You got a number? I don't know. We could look it up. My point is...

Are we acting like the terrorists who bother us, though, if we call her? A little bit. My point is... Okay, well, let me just see. If nobody on that panel pushes back, how do we know what she said was wrong? She says should be kept white as much as possible. Now she opposes interracial marriage.

We're the only ones out here that's afraid to say we want shit black. Like y'all want my own black community. Oh, no, you have to be, you can't be like them. You have to practice equality. You have to embrace everybody. No, I think that that's right. I know black senior executives at networks. I'm not going to say no names.

I'll tell you off the air. I've heard them say when they've had like a bunch of black people on the show. Like how are they doing with y'all on CNN? I've heard them say, is this coming off too black? Yeah, I'm sure. Well, who gives a, my point is, who cares? I agree. I agree.

I agree. They don't care. I agree. When are we going to stop caring? But I agree with that. And I think that, I think it is a sad day in press and in America where it's revolutionary to have a black panel. That's insane because they have white panels every day.

All day, every day. Okay, why can't I find that, like, oh, here it goes, why? City Council, City of Marysville, Michigan. Who are you calling? I thought we were calling to Marysville City Council. You don't think we should call him? I really want to know what they're going to say. They're not going to say nothing.

That woman is going to continue to run. People are going to continue to vote for her, and y'all are going to continue to be upset about nothing, okay? Okay. That lady going to pull up the Popeyes, okay? That same Kramer lady. She's going to pull up the Popeye. She's going to pull up the Popeye.

then she's going to buy She's going to buy everybody in Michigan Free Popeye's chicken sandwiches and they're going to vote for her. Watch. You be not calling the mayor at his law firm? The mayor at his law firm? He has a law firm.

He's a lawyer? Yeah, Winston and Damon. Dan Damon. I don't think we should give a shit. I think that... I think we should. I think that's the whole problem. Well, no, I think we care enough

but I mean, yo, this is America. Racism and bigotry exists in America. I agree, but I'm saying, I don't think that we should allow it to exist the way that it has for years and years and years. I mean, we can continue to fight against it the way that we have, but that's not going to stop anything, is what I'm saying. We need to fight against it in a different way. You know the only thing that's going to stop women like Kramer? Deaf. Okay, I'm done.

I'm done. You know they do, though. Stop killing people off on the podcast. Do you want to end on a positive note? Yes, let's do it. So bad. What did you learn from therapy this week? I haven't gone to therapy because my therapist has been on vacation.

She's come back, please. I'm going this week. She just came back. She came back on the 24th. What would you learn from your devotional? You know what I learned? You work so much better when you're not trying to text and do the podcast. This is a great devotional I posted yesterday.

I'm going to read it to you. This says fresh new dreams. And it quotes Psalms 142.2. And it says, I pour out my complaint before him. Before him, I tell my trouble. When you attempted to sit around feeling sorry for yourself, complaining about how unfair life is, ask yourself a tough question. Do I really want to get well or have I gotten comfortable with where I am in life? Don't ever let your setback become your identity, niggas.

To put it bluntly, you've got to get over that. Quit talking about it. Quit opening up that old wound time and time again. You may have been severely wounded by a divorce. It's time to let it go. Move on. Quit mourning about something you can't change. You must let go of your shattered dreams if you want God to give you fresh new dreams.

Quit dwelling on your disappointments. Forgive the people who have hurt you. release any remaining bitterness, and then God will give you a new beginning. That's a really good word. That was my daily affirmation for yesterday. Don't ever let your setback become your identity. You said something else good earlier, too, that I wrote down. Your good plan may not be God plan for you.

Good plan versus God plan. Absolutely. It's really good. What's yours? I don't have any like these two today. Jesus Christ. I told you my Yadi thing earlier. I got a good one, too.

It's in my, because I have this black affirmation. book, a black daily affirmation book, and it's really just all African American Proverbs and black things. And literally my devotion today, I meant to take a picture of and I'm going to post it later when I get home. But it's literally about how we have to be a part of these systems in order to change them. Yeah. So when we talk about that lady Kramer, that's what I mean when you say you need other people running against her. You need people on that panel. Those were all people running against her. Where was the black ones? They probably don't live in Marysville. In Lansing, Michigan, right outside of Lansing?

I'm just saying, like we always have to be at these days. We can't keep complaining about... But that's why I was just trying to call because sometimes we're not and maybe if we call, somebody will hear on the podcast and they live in Michigan and then they'll call. But you won't let me call the mayor.

I think we pointed them in the right direction. If you want to make some noise about that lady Kramer... Call the mayor at 810-364-6613. There you go. Dan Damon. You got to have seats at these tables and in the process we can build our own tables as well. And I think, you know,

the comeback full circle of where we start, I think that's the thing that people are missing when they talk about Jay-Z, the NFL, and Colin Kaepernick. What? My perception of that whole situation was different because we were at Rock Nation in a brand-new building that Rock Nation is bought in New York City. They used to have a few floors on a building in Midtown. Now they have their own building. As soon as you pull up, you see the paper plane in the lobby. And you had to go upstairs and go through security clearance.

They weren't at NFL headquarters. They were in a boardroom in Jay-Z's board. building for his company and that white man was sitting at his table. That's the thing that I don't think people are realizing about this. But also, why wasn't it made more public? Why weren't cameras allowed into the space to record the full podcast, I mean the full press conference? They had about 30 different media outlets there.

I know, but I'm saying. Like 20 of them were black. But if they could have had their own cameras, that also says something different. It says, I'm going to empower you black media personality or black media. owner. That's true. They let everybody record, you know, I don't know audio but not video. Audio but not video. I mean, I got the full audio. I got the full audio

of me pressing Roger Goodell and the NFL edited all them questions. Why don't you, why don't you play that on something? I've seen it come out because I wasn't the one who recorded it in the room. Oh, I see. But it's been, I've seen that audio. I think TMZ put that audio out. Yeah, no, but only part of it. I'm saying, why don't

you put out the full thing? I could. You should. You should. Absolutely good. Anyway. That's that. Brother, I'm proud of you. Why? Just because.

I'm proud of you too, Angela, right? Except when you want to see him, yelling and screaming with veins coming out your neck. I love seeing you with April and Baccari and Andrew. Did you just call him Adam? Yes. Why? I don't know. But the reason I love that is because that to me shows everybody in that room's brilliance.

Because y'all are just building and talking about solutions as opposed to the arguing with white. people about shit that they know is wrong, but they just want to act clueless just to piss us to fuck off. I think some of them really believe the words that are coming out of their mouth. I can see that. I believe that. Did you read the 1619 Project? Of course you did.

Because you sent a team. Yeah. That's incredible. Journalism. Incredible journalism. Forward thinking. Yes. In the past, reflecting.

We had Nicole on the show today. I wrote that article. But here's the thing about that. There's more than one article, though. Really? Yeah. I read the 1619 Project. I don't know which one it was.

1619 Project is a full collection, a compilation. of articles. Oh, well, I guess I don't know. Maybe she's the architect of them all. I don't know. I just, we had around the day. But my point is, it's so many people who do not know the true story of history. So yeah, you're right.

There's a lot of these white people who are clueless. But I think that a lot of them are acting clueless on purpose because to acknowledge what actually happened, to apologize for what actually happened, means that now when we come and be like, okay, now you all old. Yeah, I means a shift in power. Yes. They can't never do that. But I don't know that it is a willful ignorance as much as that it.

is a lack of perspective. And this goes full circle back to Ms. Jean Kramer's point, which is when we are in homogenous communities and we are never surrounded and informed by experiences of other people, we can remain willfully ignorant and willful ignorance is dangerous. Great point. So that is where I will end today. Go get wise and get some diverse experiences and friends in your life. Listen, make sure y'all subscribe to the sibling rivalry.

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