The Brilliant Idiots - Tardy Like A Rockstar

Episode Date: July 18, 2020

This week Charlamagne is back and with Andrew Schulz they discuss Trumps too much testing comment, Nick Canon getting fired, Brilliance of Jill Scott, reparations, and more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's so stupid. It's positively brilliant. Yep, Shalamini Guy. Andrew Shulps. We are the brilliant idiots. And welcome to another week. We're back. I had a nice little two-week break. It's good to have you back, bro.

It's good to have you back. Listen, man, I thugged it out. You know, I got on a plane with the family. And we flew down to South Carolina. And I was home in Monk's Corner for a little while. and I stayed on the Isle of Palms for a couple of weeks, man. And, you know, once I got there, they declared the state of South Carolina a coronavirus hotspot. Whoa.

And it didn't take me long to realize why they are a coronavirus hotspot. Why? Because all you see in South Carolina is people with no mask and no shoes on. And I'm not stereotyping. I'm not racial profiling. I'm just saying that at least 99.9% of those folks were Caucasian. Really? Oh, yes.

I didn't realize. And maybe I did realize it, but I didn't think it was a thing thing. I didn't realize not wearing a mask is a political statement. I didn't know that. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that people are making political statements by saying, hey, we're not going to wear a mask. This is my idea of.

rebelling against the system. You know, people can't tell me what to do. Right. I'm like, oh, okay, I just don't want to get sick. Yeah. That's it. That's it. And if they're telling me that wearing a mask is what decreases your chances of getting

infected with coronavirus are spreading it if you're asymptomatic, I'm just doing my part for the ecosystem. Right. That's all. And what does it you think that they're pushing back against, like, government overreach? I guess. no idea, bro. I think it's a combination of two things. I think it's a combination of people, you know, not wanting to be told what to do by the government. And also,

people were riding with the president. Right. But even he wore a mask. He was at the hospital. He wore a mask. Finally. Yeah, he wasn't wearing one before. You know what I'm saying? Finally. But, you know, you've been beating it in people's heads for weeks that are. You do have to wear a mask. You don't have to wear a mask. You want to wear a mask. Wear a mask. Who cares? Like, you know, I think that we really don't understand how easily influenced people are. And that's not a black thing. It's not a white thing. You know, that's just a thing.

In America, people are easily influenced by those they look up to. Right. That's just what it is. That's why you have religious leaders. That's why you've had cult leaders. That's why you have, you know, stands. You know, people follow the superstars the way that they do. That's why people who worship teams.

Like, that's just, you live in an idol culture here in America. And if your idol ain't doing something, you're probably not doing something either. If your idol is doing something, you're probably going to fall in line and do that as well. So we follow the things that the people who influence us do. I believe, yes, 100%. Right? And we follow them whether they're good for us or bad for us. I think we're following them because we think they're good for us.

Or at some point, they've done something that has been good for us. are they've done something that has made us feel good. It's some type of benefit they have given us in some way. And that's why we continue to follow them. So I guess my question is how much responsibility do we have as leaders over the people that follow us? A lot. And should we be held accountable for the behavior of our followers? And that's not just politicians, but like entertainers, you know, rock stars.

You know, if rock stars are out there living, some crazy life where they're fucking up hotel rooms and all that kind of stuff. And they're marketing that should they be accountable if their fans start doing the same thing? To a certain, no, to a certain extent though, right? Because if you have a song called tear the fucking hotel room up.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. You know, back in the day on 3-6 Mafia had a song called tear the club up. When you play tear the club up, a motherfucker start tearing the club up. Hey, that's a call to action, baby. It's the reason that that song was banned. Yeah, yeah. It was banned.

Hell yeah, that shit was banned. What you mean? The club up was banned. Like, I don't know if it was, I don't know if it was CNN. I don't know if it was just clubs across the country. That song was banned. Like, at least in South Carolina, you couldn't play that. You couldn't play Ted a club up.

Really? I'll give you a better example. CNN definitely back in the day ran a story on young Gizi and his snowman t-shirts. Okay. Right? Because they knew Gizi at the time was rapping about selling massive amounts of cocaine. he was the snowman.

So there were schools that had banned the snowman shirt. That's why Jesus came out with the mixtape can't ban the snowman. Right? Now, I don't know if that, I don't know if he was influencing people to sell drugs, but he was influencing people to embrace a lifestyle that we know is not constructive for this.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is like, at what point do we or do we ever have to feel responsible? Like I said, I think it's when you're giving somebody a direct call to action. So if you do, but if, if we, Okay, so direct calls to action we're responsible for, but just our everyday, everyday to day behavior, we're not responsible if people follow that. No, I definitely think we are,

because there's some people who are showing proof through actions and deeds more than words and lip service. So you can watch the way somebody lives and be inspired. You can watch the way somebody lives and be influenced. That's why I think early on, you know, people with, like other Republicans were saying, Trump, put the goddamn mask on. You know what I'm saying?

Not just because it's good for the health of the country. It's good politically. You know what I'm saying? Like be a leader. You know, like show, hey, my leader is doing this too. So the rest of the country will follow. That's why it was so dangerous when he wouldn't put one on.

That's why everybody got so up and on. I was like, bro, you're the president. If you don't put one on, what you think others are going to do? I guess I don't understand why it's become political because you would think that the best thing for the economy would be if we could go back outside and purchase things and consume. And the only way that we can do that without spreading corona is if people are using proper masks. So you think a strong economy president, which is what Trump runs on, is going to go,

wear the shit that lets the economy start humming again. Well, you know, I think wearing a mask for somebody like Donald Trump is admitting that you're wrong. Right. So now he's dug his heels into the no mask. He's doing that heel toe. He got the heels. Not just the no mask. The fact that coronavirus isn't real.

You know what I mean? That was his first thing. Like coronavirus is a democratic hoax. It's not real. It's just going to go away. I mean, shit, just two days ago. He goes, if you test half of the people, you'll only have half of the cases. I mean, he's right.

He's not right. Br. Just because you ignore a problem. The whole life. I don't have an STD. I don't have an STD test. You know what I mean? You can't get the STDs without the test.

It's better as a joke. When it's a joke, when it's a joke on stage, it rips. When it's coming from the president, it sounds stupid as fuck. Okay? Ignoring a problem does not make it go away, especially when it's herpes. But it doesn't go away if you know you have it. That is. Hold on, let me think about it.

Yeah. Hold on, you said it doesn't go away if you know you have it. Exactly. That is very true. You might as well just call it braille. But the thing is, you know you have it. Right. So whether you're ignoring it or not, you can't ignore them,

can't ignore them genital watch down there, man. Yeah, you're right. Them outbreaks is dead. What's happening? I'm here. What's popping? Here for a couple days. What's popping?

You know what I'm saying? What's popping? Brand new herp just popped it. What? What did you Herp's rental car? What did you see this week that was positively brilliant?

Absolutely fucking idiotic. Man, you know it was absolutely idiotic? I'm going to be selfish with this one. Talk to me. We did this great piece on Glenn Maxwell, who was Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice. Yes.

And... She's still alive? She's still alive, allegedly. Who knows? Damn. I lost my bet. You had her out. You had her out early?

Had her out, had her out early. You're not going to play with her. They're getting her out first inning, baby. They're not even going to play with her. They already set the tone with Epstein. Call in the relief. Call in the relief. They already set the tone with Epstein.

We know what they expect. They're going to get her out early. Right. So we did this piece. We put it up on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and I put a little clip of it up on Twitter. It gets over a million views on Facebook. And then Facebook takes it down.

Why? Bullying. Who the hell are you bullying? If there's one group of people that you should be able to bully, it's convicted. It's pedophiles, bro. What the fuck?

Convicted? You can't call someone who's a convicted pedophile or pedophile? No, I can't, it couldn't be because of her. It had to be, I mean, and I love, I didn't see that one, but I love those videos that you do. Bro.

You must have did a, you must have did a quick little joke or jab at somebody else. I mean, yeah, there's tons. of jokes, but every one of them, we do jokes and jabs and everybody, so they should pull down every one, if that's the case. It's just real curious, and I don't want to get all conspiratorial, but like, it is curious that these people are entrenched in the upper echelon of power, and a video is going super viral on Facebook that literally exposes only the factual things we know about them, right? I only went off fact. I didn't go off conspiracy or anything. I just showed the facts that we

know about them and the people that enabled them and the facts we know about the people that enabled them. And that shit gets taken down from Facebook. Isn't that curious, bro? Well, you're fucking up there game. Think about it, right? I never even heard of this woman. I never even heard of this woman until she got arrested. Right. So, okay, okay, we got to do our due diligence and make it a media story. Boom. So it goes out there, it becomes the thing. Now, we got to wait for this story to die down before we kill it. Right? And so then you do this video and put it out and it gets a million views. They're trying to

make people forget about her. So they could kill her ass. So whenever whatever they do with her happens, right? Everybody's just like, oh yeah. And then they go back to what they regularly schedule programming. Right. That's what I think. You're bringing attention.

You're making it hot. You're making the block hot, chokes. And that's what I'm saying. It's fucked up. That it could potentially work like that. And that's how these motherfuckers get off. It piss me off. If you take it down, off of a bullying technicality. Come on, bro.

Yeah, I am, I am sick of... You can show murder videos on Facebook. You show shootings on Facebook. Like, how many horrible things have we seen on Facebook? They got white supremacist's group. They got Facebook pages. And I can't make fun of pedophiles on Facebook?

Yeah, and that's that... If there's one group of people that should be shamed. Shit. It's pedophiles. Come on, bro. Like, I could... Are we really going to be out here practice intolerant? for pedophiles.

That's what you want to die on? That's the hill you want to die on, Zuckerberg. Like, come on, man. Yeah, I don't understand that. I really don't. I saw something out positively brilliant this week. What did you see?

I thought the way Jill Scott handled Kyle Quiro, who plays, he used to play for the practice squad for the Dallas Cowboys, but now he plays for the X, well, there's no XFL no more, but he played for the Seattle Dragons.

He got on 12th. Twitter, right? And he did something that I don't understand why people do. I really don't. I really don't. Everything doesn't need your opinion. Remember when we used to have this saying like talking out loud? Are thinking out loud? Thinking out loud. Yeah, yeah. Thinking out loud. So it would be things that you would think. Talking out loud is how you talk. You're just, just, just talking out loud is exactly. Talking out loud is exactly what you're supposed to talk. You're supposed to talk out loud. But when you think out loud, thinking out loud is dangerous. And I don't understand.

He got on Twitter and he asked this question. He said, I can't find it. What the hell is the tweet, Taylor? Basically, he asked, he said, do people find Jill Scotch sexy? Like, really? Do people find Jill Scott sexy? Right. Why?

Yeah. Like, I just want to know how do you think that's going to go your way? Right. Like, when I see people do stuff like this, that, I think to myself, they want the attention. They want the smoke. They want to rile people up today. So when you see stuff like that, you even have to ask yourself,

should I even give this any energy? No. Because that's what they walk. Yes. That's what they're feeding into. Yes. And so he posted that. Oh, yeah, he said, people are attracted to Jill, Scott.

And by no means is she ugly, but y'all really sexually aroused by her. And Jill, after everybody came to her defense, she waited for like a day or two. And she was trending. Everybody came to her defense. She tweeted, wait, I was trending again. Okay then. Justice for Brianna Taylor. Justice for Sandra Bland. Justice for Ola, Watoyen, Salu. Loving ourselves and each other is respectful and uplifting, supportive. Eyes on the prize. The reason I love that, right? It's because when you're a public servant and you're really here to serve the needs of the public and you don't have an ego and you're not leading with ego and you're not trying to make things about you, right? Right. Even though she could have came out and said something about Kyle and like, you know, really like I can't believe people come at me like this. Whatever. She could have really played that role and really got more sympathy. She made it about what was important. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. She didn't make about herself. She wasn't thinking about herself. She realized that shit's not important. That shit that he's talking about over there. That shit wasn't important at all. No need to give that any energy. I'm not going to be a distraction.

Even though y'all have allowed this to be a distraction, I'm not, I'm not going to be a distraction. I'm going to put y'all back focused on what y'all need to be focused on. That's why she said, eyes on the prize. She said it twice. Eyes on the prize, love village. Eyes on the prize. Andrew, we have a problem with keeping our fucking eyes on the prize in this era. Yeah, you're right.

That's actually a great point. We're so easily distracted. It's almost like the way the culture works. You know, and by the culture, I'm talking about culture, not black culture specifically. but like it's almost how we operate. Like what do we distract with today? What are we distracted with tomorrow? What's the new news story?

Who's the new person we're canceling? It's just this constant distraction matrix. You know? No why? Why is that? Because majority of people don't even know what the fucking prize is. Hey. Majority of people are Wally Coyote chasing the goddamn roadrunner.

What is the prize? That's my point. That's why I said most people don't know. Right. What would your prize be? I mean, for me, as a. black person, my prize would be the changing of legislation. My prize would be reparations, right? And when I say reparations, I mean some type of economic equity package for black people.

My prize is America really, you know, having a sense of atonement in saying, you know what, we recognize that slavery was wrong. And a lot of things that are happening in the black community right now are because of the systemic, you know, systemic oppression, a systemic marginalization that we, we, we, because this community. So we want to make this right. And this is how we're going to make it right through this economic equity package. You know, we're going to start making investments into the black community. You know, we're going to change laws to change the way that we police.

I don't think that they should change laws, change the way that they police. They just need to hire new police. I don't think you can reform. I really don't. I honestly, truly don't think you can reform police officers as they currently exist. I think it's like trying to reform a pit bull. That's interesting. You know, I've changed my tune on reparations.

Talk to me. I understand the argument for reparations, and I think that there's a really good argument for reparations, but I don't think it's based on slavery. Okay, talk to me. I think that while American slavery is different, and every different country's slavery was obviously different, there's no way to have, like, the same level of slavery in every different place.

But while America's slavery was absolutely horrendous and different, slavery is not unique. If we go back in history, every group of people will have been enslaved by another group of people, right? So I don't think because you were enslaved during a time where everybody else was also enslaved, that it means that there should be reparations for that enslavement. Because then as a Scottish person, do I go back to England and do some English people go back to whoever enslaved them and do some Viking culture, go back to another Viking culture and go, we want our reparation? It's just, it's endless. It just keeps on going on and on and on. I will say, though, that the treatment within Jim Crow redlining, not giving out loans for bank loans for black people to build the equity that white people have benefited. from in the real estate market alone, specific legislation that didn't allow, allegedly,

I need to look into this a little bit more, but didn't allow white people to resell their house to black families. Like, all of that, the destruction of like black Wall Street. And again, I need to look into more of these things. But like, to me, those are the best arguments for atonement via some sort of reparations because they show not specifically slavery, but they show a direct force, a systemic force from a government

to hold down a group of people from the American dream, right? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but that's what slavery was too. It was all systemic racism. Right. When slaves were brought here, they weren't brought here.

All the system did was kept updating. Right, exactly. They updated in different ways. That's all they did. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, like, if slavery is the end-all be-all for why a group of people should get reparations, I think the reason why it's used is because... Oh, it's not, though.

Oh, no, I know it's not. I know it's not. I guess what I'm saying is like when I've looked back into other groups that have gotten reparations, like I think post-Holocust Jews, I think Japanese people in the internment camps, they got reparations, right? There weren't internment camps going around the world, right? They got a specific, unique treatment during a time. where that wasn't happening.

When blacks were slaves in America, they were also slaves in Africa. They were slaves in Brazil. There were slaves in all these different parts of the world. Yeah, but I think people would say, you know, the blacks here in America are the reason that America is America. Because the fact that you had all of those years

of free labor, America was able to build an industry. It was able to build a capitalist society that everybody benefited from except for the people who actually were out there doing the work. Definitely a massive part of it. It's definitely a massive, massive part of it. Undeniable. I think there are a lot of different things

that ended up building America and a lot of like, you know, global events that are happening that turn America into a superpower, you know? Do you know how much money you would save if Alex worked for you? Free. For years.

Hold on. Hold on. Do you know how much money you would save? Show us if Alex Don't give him no idea Charlotte You're not fast Would you say Alex

Don't give him no ideas Hold on Did Alex just yell Let me free? Did you say let me free? Yo but So here's the thing Here's a thing right

Let's say Let's say This is interesting So Al works for me Obviously he gets paid Everything's great Let's say one day Al goes

Yo I want to go out On my own Right And let's say After going out on his own I do certain things I I spoil his name

in the industry, I'm telling people that are about to hire him, don't hire him. I'm doing all these things to hold him down. If Al wants to sue me for money because of that treatment, he should sue my ass for money and he should be paid for that shit. Not only can he sue you for what he's old, he can sue you for his future compensation because you shit it on his name. Yeah. You're telling everybody he ain't shit, whatever, whatever.

You might have, trust me, I've been in that position. People have cost me future monies. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? By shitting on my name and painting a picture of me. Slander. I think they call it a liable or something like that. Liable, liable, all of that, you know what I mean? So, yes.

But do you understand? You understand what I'm saying? Like, I think that a lot of times, like, if, I think if white people really understood, because I think a lot of white people are just super ignorant to the black experience in America post-slavery. I don't think there's any white people that are going to go, well, slavery wasn't that bad. All white people know was that bad.

And then they think that once slavery ended, it was like clean slate, black people, you got the same ability as white people. Hell no. They think that. Because, so in my opinion, if the conversation shifted from reparations for slavery to reparations for the treatment of Jim Crow redlining, all these things. And we started educating white people on the systemic oppression, specifically financial systemic oppression of black people have went through. I really wonder if their eyes would start to open and go, oh shit, they were literally stopped from building wealth.

They were stopped. You just said, first of all, is that makes sense? Am I making sense? It makes all the sense in the world. All right. And that conversation is a conversation that everybody who makes a-

Black people have this conversation and white people are listening to Black people. But I wonder if the average white person even knows. No, I don't think they know. But everything you're saying, that is the conversation when it comes to reparations. It's not just, slavery. It is Jim Crow segregation. It is the legislation that was put in place to

systemically oppress people. It is redlining. It's all of those different things. It's the war on drugs. It's all of those different things that go into why black people should have some compensation. It's really just simple. It's a simple concept. America systemically did something to black people to put us in the position. Specifically financially, right? Yes. Yes. Financially oppressed. And if you financially oppress, you should atone for the financial oppression. Systemically do something to get us out.

I truly believe, and I know that there are black people listening to this right now, they're like, how could they not be aware of this? I truly believe that there are a lot of white people that have no clue what redlining is. They have no clue what just like not giving black people bank loans are. There was this interesting video that's going around. I have to check the legitimacy of it, but it seemed pretty good, where in order to basically build out the suburbs and build 5,000 unit homes and like that or communities, you needed government-backed loans.

And the only way to get those government-back loans was if the developers agreed not to sell the house to black families and then the people who bought it agreed not to resell it to black families. So now you have this situation where you could buy a house for cheap. I think it was the equivalent of $100,000 now is maybe $10,000 back in the day. And that middle-class family, which black people were middle-class back then, would have been able to purchase property. And now that house is worth $400,000.

That's $300,000 in equity you get to pass down to your kids. You know what I mean? That changes shit over generations. You should read a book called The Color of Law. I ain't reading that shit. It explains all of that stuff in a very good way. But also, I mean, how many people, I mean, I guess maybe they do because they might have saw the 13th documentary on Netflix,

but you think about the 13th amendment. I haven't seen the 13th yet. But you're familiar with the 13th Amendment. Right, which is the, you don't have to pay people for... No, no, no. It banned some. slavery and involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime.

Right, right, right. So it provided a legal basis for slavery to continue in the country. Because think about it, Andrew. Yes. If I let you go, I let you free, but I don't give you anything. I don't give you any means to make any money.

Yeah. What do you think you're going to do? What do you think a human is going to go do? So here's the thing. I've been thinking about that because I haven't seen the documentary, but someone explains me the point in it, right? I've been thinking about how you make the argument

to like, let's say like real America people, like constitutionalist America people, right? Because there might be constitutionalist America people that go, well, white people go to jail too and they end up doing free work as well. You know, so this affects both people. Obviously there's more black people per capita in jail,

we don't even have to get into that argument. But this is what I would say. It's unfair business practices. If you're a constitutional American, right? And you believe in a country and you believe in fair business practices, how are you going to let this prison that has free labor compete with this regular construction company

that got to pay minimum wage? That's unfair to the mom and pop construction company, isn't it? Go ahead, show, see, let me hear some more. I like this. I'm just saying if I'm a mom and pop construction company this, white-owned, black, home, Mexican-owned, doesn't matter what it is, I got to compete with slave wage.

is impossible for me to compete. So now you are punishing me as a business owner. We got to cut that out. So you're saying these corporations, even these mom and pop stores, should be absolutely against the prison system as it's currently. Because it protects your own business.

If these prisoners are out there making license plates and you're a license plate maker and you got to pay your people $15 an hour and they got to pay them $0.000 an hour. Who do you think is going to get the contract from the state? I agree wholeheartedly. I agree wholeheartedly. What do you think of, what do you think of abolitionists?

I want to talk to. I haven't spoken to an abolitionist, but I would love to talk to an abolitionist. What do you think of abolitionists? Are you familiar with that abolitionist movie? Yeah, like the Mark Twain's of the world and the Harriet Beecher Stowe's and these people who, I guess,

maybe saw the evils of slavery prior to, you know, a lot of white people at the time. Is that what you're talking about? No, I think, I mean, no, yeah, you're right, but I think now it's about, oh, like abolish the police? Yeah, they don't believe. leave in jails.

Oh, abolished jail. And prison, prison abolition. That's what it is. Oh, I thought you're talking about like back in the day. Like, yeah, it's a prison abolition movement and they're a network of groups and activists that want to reduce or eliminate prisons in the prison system and replace them with systems of rehabilitation that don't place the focus on punishment and government institutionalization. I think, in theory, it's great.

I think that there are certain people that need to be on world. Star Island. Yeah, bro. Like, or certain people just kill. Like, if you're like a pedophile, you know what I mean, like you just kill them. If you're a rapist, just kill them. Like, all that kind of shit, you could just kill them. I'm okay. Well, see, the problem with that is, what about false convictions for rape. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. You know what I'm saying? What about, um, no, you're right. It creates a, yes, tricky situation. And I don't want nobody to take this the wrong way, even though I know y'all will. Can a pedophile be rehabilitated? No, I don't think they can.

That's the thing. I don't think so easy. Yeah. And yeah, that's the thing. That's why I don't have that much. But again, you're right, there could be false convictions. And, you know, you could have some one, there's always these stories where, like, a kid is in high school, has a girlfriend in high school. She's 17.

He's 18. He turns 19. Now he's hooking up with a girl that's under 18. You know what I mean? So they're like, oh, blah, blah, blah. You have to register, sex vendor, this, that, the other. it gets, look, it's tricky. I understand.

I know just like killing people isn't the right situation. But I do feel like jails are important. I feel like we can improve our jails. But I do. You know what I mean? Yeah, I love the idea of, and I've said,

I've been saying this for years, I love the idea of jails being more of a rehabilitation center. You know what I mean? When we talk about, you know, correct, they call it correctional facilities, right? But it's like, what are you really correcting? Like, if you're going to take this person

and, you know, put them away for 10 years, 15 years, when they go back in society, right? Wouldn't you want them to be an upstanding citizen? You know what I'm saying? Like that's one of the beauties of the nation of Islam, right? The nation of Islam can take these convicted felons, the worst of our society,

and transform them into these upstanding honorable human beings, right? Like wouldn't you want that for everybody who goes to prison? Wouldn't you want to give them some form of education? Wouldn't you want to give them some form of job training? So, you know, when they go out into the world, when they get back into the world, they're a totally different person. And they have acquired a skill set where they can actually go get a job and make some legal money and not go back to the streets. Like I love the idea of being a correctional facility or a real rehabilitationist entity that really reforms people. Yeah, I like the idea of reform.

I can't speak to the nation of Islam because I don't know anything about it and how they reform. Well, I'm just speaking of, you know the story of mouth. Malcolm Little to Malcolm X. Yes, of course. Absolutely. Amazing story. Yeah, you know the story of Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali. Like you, you know, you saw the evolution in these men.

You saw the change in these men, the growth in these men. That's just the NOI's MO. That's what that's one of the, that's why I love, you know, what the nation of Islam, you know, has stood for us so much historically over the years. Because the teachings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad, I've seen them change humans. In a weird way, that's how I view America. Like, I know there's times where, like, you know, July 4th has happened and people weren't celebrating America. They didn't feel comfortable celebrating America.

But, like, I look at America as the transition of, you know, Malcolm Little and Malcolm X. You know what I mean? It's built on these things that were fucked up and treatment that was horrible and deplorable and things that you don't stand for. But my hope and from what I see is continual progress. and continual progress based on these ideals that we're trying to live up to, or at least a lot of us are trying to live up to and a lot of us believe in

and these ideas of equality and these ideas of freedom. Freedom and liberty. Liberty fall. You know, freedom of speech and freedom of expression and these types of things. So, like, when I look at it

and I see where we're going, and obviously it's easier for me because I'm not the one that's being oppressed by a lot of, this shit, but like when I see it, I'm like, okay, we're moving in the right direction. So I'm here to celebrate that. I'm here to wave the flag and I'm here to go, yeah. See, we're going to get there, maybe not my generation, maybe my kids, but we're going to get to the place where we want to fucking be. And that's something I can celebrate as long as we're progressing. Does that

makes sense? That makes perfect sense. And I mean, you said something earlier that I think that I think will help us get there. But we have to all be willing to be open-minded enough and keep our ears open enough to sit down, listen and learn. You said that you are not aware, you don't think it's a lot of white people that are aware of certain things. I feel like that,

I feel like that with every culture. Because we're all in our own little individual bubbles whether we want to admit it or not. Like, you know, I have my experience as a black man in America. You have your experience as a white man in America. I'm from the South, South Carolina. You have your experience as a white man in America from New York City.

Yeah. But then there's a, there's literally an Asian American living in Manhattan with you that's having a total different experience than you are. Right. And literally, y'all might live in the same building. Y'all might live a block away from you. Y'all might go to the same school, everything.

But your experience with that person is, your experience in this country is totally different than that person's experience in this country. Right. And I think that we don't always do a good enough job of sitting down and explaining what's going on and are, you know, respected communities. I think that we all just assume,

this person doesn't know and they're playing dumb. Low-key. You know what I'm saying? This person knows, but he'll never admit it because of the privilege and the power that they have and they benefit from so they'll play clueless.

You know what I'm saying? Don't underestimate someone's ignorance. Exactly. It's shocking how little we really know about each other, man. Two things about ignorance, Schultz. What's that? Two things. What you don't know, right?

Could be considered ignorant until you learn. Yeah. What you think you know is also ignorant. About somebody is what's really ignorant, right? So let's go into the deep dive. But now, real quick, before we get in there, and I think this will set us up as well. Okay.

It's like, in a way, I think that we are less understanding than we used to be. Because back in the day, right? Let's say I'm a white guy, right? But my favorite show is Martin. And they got some like white jokes in Martin. I got to put up with the white jokes because I love the show. And I love the characters and Martin so fun.

So I just put up with some white jokes because of this thing. And there's only five shows on TV back in the day anyway. So this is my favorite one. So I put up with it. And there's a gay guy that got to put up with some gay jokes. And there's a black dude that's got to put up with some black jokes

and some other show. We had to put up with ideas or feelings or beliefs that were a little different than ours because we were forced to fit into this thing,

right? Especially in entertainment. Now we got a different TV channel there's so much representation that we don't got to put up with nothing that's not exactly how we feel. So there's a different TV channel

for every different group and then outside TV channels there's a different Facebook feed, There's a different Instagram feed. There's a different YouTube channel. If you want to be only black, trans Muslims, you could be that and your community can be based on that, and that's it.

And if you want to be Asian women that like Hello Kitty, and that's it, that can be your community, and that's it. And you don't have to tolerate nothing outside of that community if you don't want to. So in a way, I feel like we're less tolerant because we have the ability to not. Does that make sense?

I like what you're saying. I do think that back in the day, the TV and the movies and the magazines, it did kind of fuck us up too. And the reason it fucked us up is because it's one thing to get an image of a person, right? The stereotypes of a person are the caricature of a person, whether it's a white person, black person, gay person, you know, trans person, a Jewish person, whatever it was, Italian person. We all saw these characters.

of these people on TV. So that makes us assume we know who and what these people are. You're right. And look, since back in the day, you're trying to appeal to everyone. When you try to appeal to everybody, what do you do? You appeal to no one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Almost, right?

So it's like if I'm trying to appeal to black, Asian, white, da, da, da, da, I'm going to water down everything to the most common denominator. so none of them are going to be like truly unique and nuanced characters. It probably wasn't to like shows started popping up on, I mean, maybe you saw different versions of it, but like I'm trying to think of like, you know, shows started popping up on HBO, right?

Like the wire where it was like this really nuanced look into like a specific group, you know, and then you saw like sopranos and these different things. Even like sex in the city was like a nuanced look into like aging single white ladies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden those jokes, reflected that specific community, you know, and I think you saw a lot of this

start to pop up afterwards, but I think prior to that, everybody was just stereotype. Like, everybody was just stereotype. Weren't they? Like, back in the day, like... I think, we're just getting out of that. You say back in the day,

I think we're just getting out of that. Like now you're seeing nuanced black characters on TV or now you're seeing nuance gay characters or something like that? You know what? No, that's so interesting. Because think about it.

When I grew up in the 80s, All I saw was what I would call now positive black characters. But back then, I didn't look at them as positive black characters. They were just black people. When I watched Good Times, I know them. When I watch the Jeffersons, I know them. When I watch Martin, I know them. When I watch Fresh Prince, I know them.

When I watched Living Single, I know them. Like, all of these different black people were represented. I know black people from the ghetto in the hood. I know educated black people. I know black people who are well off. Like I might that was a that that showed me that my people weren't monolithic and I knew all of these different variations of black people. I didn't have that experience with everybody else though. You know why?

Because majority of my life, I was around my own people. Yeah. So everything else I saw, but whether it was how when you're white, you do the white voice. You know, white people having small penises and black guys having big penis. Regular penises, regular penises. Not small. No, no, it's regular. It was regular.

It's regular. It was wrong. It was the thing when a white guy had a big penis. Like that was like, oh, that's a new character. I've never seen that in a movie before or a TV show, you know. But and not only the people, the experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? And now that I'm older, when I think back on a lot of those shows,

whether it was Cosby Show, different world, girlfriends, whatever it was, I have lived at least all of those experiences in a TV in a TV show because they were real life experiences. Right. I don't know if that was the same for you with the stuff you was watching. I'm trying to think. Like, I'm really trying to think. Like, to be honest, I can't tell you what it's like to be Martin.

I can't tell you what to be like a middle-aged black dude, you know, with a career and whatever he was doing, radio or some shit, right? What's up? W ZUP, baby. I can't tell you what that's like. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. So for me, it seemed like the most normal thing. I know this sounds really weird,

but when I was a kid watching Martin, it wasn't a black show to me. I get exactly. I know exactly what you're saying. Bro, isn't that same weird? I never watched married with children and said this is a white show. I never did. Al Bundy was just a loser.

Yeah. I understood the Al Bundy's of the world. because even at whatever age I was, there was always that washed up dude who was a star football player in high school who somebody was pointing out. My daddy would point him like, oh, he looked at him.

He used to be a star while I receiver. Now he just watched it. Like, we all knew these people. So I knew the character of Al Bundy. I knew that crumudgeon. So then I'm curious, like, when did I see my first black show? Or when did I see my first, like, black movie?

When did I see something that I was like, oh, this is specifically black, not a show that has black people in it. Well, let me think about that on my end. What was the first show I saw that was? So Al Juset said Empire, but I think it was before that. I think it was movies.

Like, I think I started, I know, that was like, I was late, fuck out. No, but like, I'm saying like, okay, I remember there were movies where I kept seeing the same black actors in them, like Morris Chestnut would be in them. And I think then I started realizing, oh shit, there's like specifically black films that are targeted to a black audience

that are reusing the same black Hollywood actors. Yeah. And then I went, Will Smith is not part of that. Denzel's not part of it. I was like, oh, there's a different. It's because Will and Denzel took roles that were just big, broad, bold stories. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with, Are you frozen?

No, I'm here. I'm just, I'm like really. I'm just like really engaged, bro. By the way, the stuff you're talking about, yeah, a lot of that stuff was niche. Niche. Yeah, niche. The fuck am I trying to say. Yeah, yeah.

Don't you say it because it might come out wrong. That's what I'm talking about. What's it? What you're talking about is niche stuff, like stuff that is specifically black. Yes. And for us, buy us. Yes. And guess what?

That's fine. I think everybody should have that. I really do. I think that one of the problems that we're having now is what you said earlier. Everybody's trying to cater to everybody. So you're technically not catering to nobody. We're all missing each other.

We're all missing each other. Like, I don't think it's anything wrong with having a country music television station. It should be. If people like country music, watch it. And if that station is 95% white because that's what country is, fine. But when country starts to reflect

the hooty and the blow fishes and the little Naz-X, give them they love. Same thing with hip-hop. If hip-hop is a black genre and, you know, we're over here with it, fine. But when other people start embracing it and they decide, hey, I want a rap too, I want to dress like this, let them rock out. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's fine. But there's nothing wrong with saying, okay, that's country. There's nothing wrong in saying, oh, that's hip-hop. There's nothing wrong with saying, oh, that's white, even though I don't even know what white is. Right. What would be white? Culturally what's white? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't even know. I don't ever know anymore, bro. Is it safe to say Larry Bird is a white basketball player? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Larry Bird. But basketball, I would... Yeah, but basketball isn't exactly the whitest thing. But yeah, I hear you.

No, basketball don't count either because basketball is all about skill set. We don't chalk shit up to, like, white. But there are some white things. Like, whitewater rafting is pretty white. The canoeing is white. Golf is white. Tennis is pretty white. Is canoeing white?

First people I saw in a canoe was Native Americans, bro. It might be Native Americans, bro. It might be Native Americans. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're right. My first images of a canoe was definitely indigenous people. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right.

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I do want to talk about, I want to talk about Nick Cannon because I think this all goes into the conversation. I don't think, do we, we don't have to rehash exactly what happened this week, right? Like, I think people know what's going on. I think, I mean, very quickly, we could just say that, you know, he was fired from MTV, CBS for making. CBS Viacom. Sorry, sorry, CBS Viacom for making anti-Semitic statements. not for the racist statements, just for the anti-Semitic ones. Well, I thought it was really funny.

Here's the thing about the, here's the thing about the racist statements, right? Yeah. I will never chalk up, um, first of all, I don't think people are inherently evil. Black people, white people.

I don't think nobody is born inherently evil. You can't believe in God and believe people are born evil. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe somebody's lack of melancholy. Melanin makes them less. Any more evil, any more savage.

Now, if you want to have a conversation about, you know, the massive racial violence that white people have done in America, that's definitely a conversation. So here's where Nick fucked up. And it's really because Nick is regurgitating talking points and not synthesizing his own ideas, right? Talk to me. I agree with you.

And so he's regurgitating talking points. I forget the name of the woman who wrote the book. Francis, clearly West or something like that. I think the ISIS papers, I think is the name of the book. But like she makes a lot of crazy statements in it using like pseudoscience. One being that like white people invented the homosexuality in the black community to keep the numbers down. And like a lot of just other like nonsense shit, right? A bunch of stuff you can't prove.

A bunch of stuff you can't. And one of the things Nick said is that because white people are deficient of melanin, it forced them to leave Africa and leave. live in these harsh environments and the harsh environments and the fact that they weren't built because they were, as he says, less than, they created them or made them be savages, made white people become savages and then they did all this savage shit, right? So it's pseudoscience used to justify something. And here's why it's fucked up.

And I got to credit my boy Robbie for saying this. He put something really interesting on here. He goes, if he was to just say, if Nick Camp was just to say, hey, listen, for years white people have called black people savages. But that's weird because white people have a history of mass racial violence in this country. Or not even this country or colonization in the world. The colonization in the world.

So whether you want to call it savagery, murder, whatever you want to call it, it's accurate to say that they have a history of that. Exactly. So if he said, who are you calling savage? Right. Like if he said, why would you call us savages when the most savage action is colonizing and, you know, oppressing these people.

I don't think he'd get any pushback from anyone. You know why? Think about it. Me and you are agreeing right now, right? We can agree that white people have had a history of mass racial violence on this planet. Right. But if I say, and it's because y'all lack melanin. Exactly.

Now we're arguing about some stupid shit. If you try to add science that is not supported by anything, then you get into this eugenics discussion where certain people are actually built better than or made better than based on the DNA that they have and that is the definition of racism. That's the definition of like Hitler ideology. Like that's where shit gets bad.

And the reason black people were labeled three fifths of a human being in the Constitution because of this skin. And because... That's not accurate. The southern people need some votes. That's why. Exactly.

But I'm just simply saying you can't look at me just because of the color of my skin and say, say, I'm less than a person. Just like, I can't look at you and just assume, okay, they're a savage. Right, right. So that's where that conversation got messed up at. But I think, it's crazy. But that's what happens when you're not thinking for yourself. And that's what happens when you're just spewing the shit that you read.

And that's really on Nick, he got to be accountable for that. If you're going to read some wild shit like that, you have to be aware of what you're reading and aware of what you're reading. regurgitating, and this is the problem when you exist in your echo chamber. Like, if you're not talking to anybody that doesn't push back, I mean, people might be annoyed when we argue on this show, but it's good, it's healthy. I'll learn some shit. You'll learn some shit. We'll have our ideas bounce off each other and they just get sharper. Yep. You know what mean? What do they say? Like iron sharpens iron or something like that? Yep. Still sharp and steel.

He's out there with a dull blade because he's got nobody pushing back. And then the finally, the time you get pushed back, it's. when you say it to the fucking world, you lose your show. And that's why I said if you're going to engage in those conversations and not even just with Jewish people, if you're going to engage in conversations about the LGBT community, the black community, you know, the Asian community, how about talk to somebody from that community?

Like, if you're going to have that conversation about Jewish people, talk to a Jewish scholar, talk to somebody from that community who can correct you when you say something that's anti-Semitic, who can correct you when you say something that, that could be offensive. You know what I'm saying? And once again, I can't win that argument.

I can't tell you that you're a savage just because you lack melanin. Right. But we can't have a conversation about the fact that racial violence has been a distinct part of this country than 1660. 100%.

That's the fact. And nobody would deny that, though. You can't, you can't deny it. You can name a million different things that have happened, not even just the black people. Even the most racist white person would agree and they'd probably be like, yeah, we did that.

But they'd agree. Oh, let's go back to something you said, Schultz. Go. If they know. Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes. They might not know. I'm not even joking. They might not even know, bro.

They would think those were the good old days. They'd probably be celebrating those days. You know what I'm saying? The ones that know are like, you know what? That's right. You said you're sitting there talking about 3,446 black people getting lynched in America from 1882 to 19.

68 and they dig hard. Like, woohoo! They celebrate June 18th. The last day. It's wild though, right? Because like, I talked to, um, I talked to like eight of my Jewish homies yesterday. Right. But, oh, real quick, just to clarify, they didn't, that's not why Nick got fired.

Nick didn't get fired for the Savage comment. He got fired for the, for the, the, the, the anti-Semitic comment. And a lot of people, I think, are just so unaware of, like, Jewish culture or Jewish history that they don't even know why the comment he said was anti-Semitic. Listen, I had no idea. I just know that I can't tell a Jewish person what is anti-Semitic. Just like nobody can tell me what racism is. Just like nobody can tell a woman what sexism is. Just like nobody can tell a gay person what homophobia is.

when I heard it and all I saw the Jewish community and an outrage, I said, well, he, he must have said something. Right. You know what I'm saying? Even if I'm not a, even if I don't know exactly what he said, because I honestly, truly did not know what the hell he was talking about. Even if I didn't know what they said, I knew it had to be something. So, you know what you're doing in those situations? You listen. We have a Jewish person who's a producer this show. Right. Chris Moreau. We let him talk last time and didn't go so well. So, we shut him up. I think he's a little sharper.

Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear me. I'm here to help. Tell us why what Nick Cannon said was anti-Semitic as a Jewish man. Chris, can you just clarify what he said first and then do the, tell us why? Well, I think you're referring to his comments about the Rothschilds and a shadow secret

Jewish banking system. I'm assuming that's the part we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And the fake dollar and those things. Yeah, I actually didn't understand the fake dollar comment, to be honest, but it all ties into a larger conspiracy theory that, you know, basically claims that for hundreds and hundreds of the years, Jews have secretly been controlling financial institutions around the world and pulling strings, making wars happen, and basically responsible. It's a scapegoating theory. It's scapegoats a lot of the economic. issues that plagued countries specifically in Europe and blames that on the Jews. And the reason it's so dangerous is, you know, in recent history, I'm talking 60 years ago, it's gone beyond

just rhetoric and talk. It's actually been used to fuel the Holocaust, to fuel genocide. You know, the idea that the Jews were behind the destruction of the German economy post-World War I is really what fueled the Nazis rise to power. The belief that Jewish banking families, like the Rothschilds and other, you know, similar institutions, were the cause of Germany's collapse. You know, the term that was used at the time was they had stabbed the Germans in the back, but the Germans would have come out victorious after World War I and were in much better shape,

but the Jews somehow from behind the scenes prevented that. That was really what gave the Nazis their initial momentum and brought them into power. And we know how that played out. So when Jews today hear you talking about secret banking systems and the Rothschilds, that's what it brings up. That is a trigger. It opens up a war that probably will never truly heal.

And it shouldn't. And it's important to note, and I'm not, and I'm curious to see if you were raised like this, Chris, but like a lot of my Jewish friends were raised from a very young age to never forget what happen in the Holocaust, but also the events that led up to it. So any time there is an event that is even close, a sentiment that exists that's even close to what led to the Holocaust like saying the Jews control the banks or that kind of stuff, this is this dog whistle that goes off in a lot of Jews' brains where they're like,

uh-oh, this is how it starts. We got a difference in the bud now. That's what you should do, right? That's how you prevent history from repeating this, though. I think it's reading. Now, Chris, was that your upbringing? Every Passover, you read a book called a haggata, which tells the story of the Jews exodus from Egypt and getting out of slavery in Egypt. And, you know, I read that every year from a kid up until this year. And, you know, every haggata is a little bit different. But mine always ended kind of with the refrain, never again. Those are the two words that you hear over and over again as a Jew.

Never again, never again. So when you hear talk about secret Jewish banings. banking systems. Yeah, I don't even think it's a dog whistle. I mean, I think it's pretty up front. We're going to shut that down right now because, unfortunately, we know where that can go. And it can escalate very quickly. And a thing to clarify, which is very important, nobody or no system is above criticism. For example, like the Rothschilds in the role that they, they specifically, that family specifically have played in like global banking, they're not above criticism and simply criticizing the family is in no way anti-Semitic. But oftentimes the people

that are anti-Semitic are using their role in global banking as a justification for their anti-Semitism. In the same way, it gets conflated, right? In the same way that like people who do not care about black people at all use black on black crime as a retort to Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter, right? Like all those white people talking about Black on Black crime, they were never doing anything for Black on Plot Crime before Black Lives Matter, and they won't do anything after Black Lives Matter. They're simply doing it as another way of going shut up. Right.

And the fact is, there are plenty of powerful banking families historically in present day across the world. I mean, I don't think Chase Bank, I could be wrong. I don't believe that's run by Jews. There are plenty of banks that wield tremendous power. And, you know, they should be scrutinized and probably in a lot of situations criticized. But those aren't the ones you hear about. You hear about the Rothschilds, the Rothschilds, Rothschild. So when you hear about the Rothschilds in this setting, yeah, it is a trigger,

essentially. So I totally understand. And, you know, I talked to like eight of my Jewish Jewish people yesterday. Chris was one of them. And every single one of them explained to me why what Nick said was anti-Semitic, you know, in different variations of the same way. And it basically was, you know, to the root of it is those were just like the two talking points that have been used to persecute Jewish people for years. So, you know. Yeah, the other thing was the Semite, they said, like, black people were the original Semitic people.

I'm going to tell you something. Can I tell you something? Can I admit something right now? Yeah, go. I have no idea what Semetic means. Bro. I'm going to talk about zero. As a matter of fact, I'm going to look it up right now.

I'm with you. I had to learn last night. I called my boy Dove. You met Dove. And I was like, explain what was going on in here. And he's like, it's a semantic R. right so semi or the semitic people refers to the people that speak semitic languages i believe that's hebrew aramaic these are any like the old biblical languages that that right chris right

it would basically refer uh to the peoples of like i think you call it the levin you know it would be modern-day lebanon jordan israel palestine that area right so but here's the thing um and so here's the thing. So the people from that region are the Semitic people. Now, I think that he was saying that I believe that he was he was saying Ashkenazi Jews were not the Semitic people because they're not

originally, allegedly from that region. I think Nick was alluding to that. Oh, okay, okay. Right? So he was like, they're trying to be Semitic like us, but I think that they would give pushback and say, hey, the original Semitic people were not black or white. They were Arab looking. Because that's where it started.

And the dictionary says Semitic relating to are denoting a family of languages that include Hebrew, Arabic, Aramic, and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

Right. Right. I don't. I'm stupid. No, just the regions that spoke that language. And to be fair, those languages were spoken all the way down to Ethiopia because I believe one of the guys from the 12 tribes went down to Ethiopia, and that's why they're Ethiopian Jews. Right.

You know, so it's not to say that there aren't, but to say that the original Semitic people were black people, I would say the original Semitic people were Arab looking. Man, I don't know about any of this. Right. All I know is you can't tell someone what should and shouldn't offend them. Okay. Right.

So Nick Cannon has apologized. And this apology was, it seemed, let me read some of it. I mean, he went in. You're talking about the Twitter one? Yeah, the one on Twitter. Did you send me that, Taylor? No, I had it in here. Where is...

Did you put... Oh, yeah, I got it. Okay, he says, first and foremost, I extend my deepest and most sincere apologies to my Jewish sisters and brothers with a hurtful and divisive words that came out of my mouth during my interview with Richard Griffin.

Didn't even call him professors. He said, Richard Griffin. Right? Is he an actual professor? Does anybody know? They reinforce the worst stereotypes of a proud and magnificent people. And I feel ashamed of the uninformed and naive place that these words came from. The video of this interview has since been removed.

Why the Jewish experience encompasses more than 5,000 years. And there is so much I have yet to learn. I have had at least a minor history lesson over the past few days. And to say that it is eye opening would be a vast understatement. I want to express my gratitude to the rabbis. community leaders and institutions who reached out to me to help enlighten me instead of chastising me. I want to assure my Jewish friends new and old that this is only the beginning of my education. I am committed to deeper connections, more profound learning, and strengthening the bond

between our two coaches today and every day going forward. I'm going to tell you why I don't have any problems with Nick Cannon apologizing because I see people giving them backlash for that. if Nick learned what I learned yesterday or if you listen to what Chris just said, who's Jewish, and Chris is telling you why what he said was anti-Semitic, and if Nick learned, you know, that what he said was offensive, if his intent was to not offend, apologize. There we go. What's wrong with that? And I'm going to tell you something else that I read what I read Fox's statement to the,

apology because, you know, they're keeping Nick Cannon on the mass singer. I love what they say. As long as he apologized. Fox said, he is clear and remorseful that his words were wrong and lacked both understanding and context. And inadvertently, key word in this sentence, inadvertently promoted hate. This was important for us to observe. Nick has sincerely apologized and quickly taking steps to educate himself and

make amends. I really think, to be honest with you, and I think this is where MTV or Viacom, CBS, or whatever, really fucked up is that they could have taken this as a learning moment, dude. Like, right now, the what Fox... Not too late. Say what? Not too late. It might be.

Hopefully they can work something else out. But like, right now what Fox did is they gave everybody an opportunity to be educated on why this is anti-Semitic instead of what we always do is just cancel them. motherfucker don't explain shit and then all the people who don't understand the cancellation are just sitting there going well what what why well i don't want to speak out because then i'll look racist but what what like every time we cancel someone for blackface you know we don't explain why black face is wrong we just cancel and then there's all these little kids who know no fuck who have no clue about why black face is they don't know what the sambo character is they don't know what black you know

exploitation in the movies is they don't know any of these things they just go i guess black face is wrong and then they just keep it moving i agree with you shows let's be honest nobody gets canceled for Blackface. It's a pause. It's a pause. Some social media outrage. Yeah. I haven't seen anybody

get fired for Blackface yet. But I do want to say. What's that girl's name? Megan Kelly. She got fired for her opinions on Blackface. Megan Kelly? Yeah. Remember when she had that NBC show?

It was like, it was like, she said something like, well, what's wrong with Blackface? Megan Kelly, the singer? She's a singer, Megan Kelly? Yeah. Oh, no. But she was that blonde lady

that, like, Trump asked if she was on her period, I think. Yeah, blood coming out of here, blood coming out of there. No, I'm thinking of fucking Megan Trainer. My God. Oh, Megan Kelly. You got the word trainer in your name.

I don't quite remember that situation, but if you ask the question, you should receive an answer. You know what I'm saying? If somebody says, well, what's wrong with Blackface? Let me tell you what's wrong with Blackface. Now, after I tell you what's wrong with Blackface, Now, after I tell you what's wrong with blackface,

if you say to me again, well, what's wrong with that? Yeah. Now we got a problem. Now it should be a problem because you're not willing to learn. What do we say earlier? Two types of ignorance. It's what you don't know and it's what you think you know. So when you think you know something

and you're convinced you know something and you're spewing that information, when somebody gives you the correct information, if you continue to spew your wrong information, now you're just being a problem. Yo, I wonder if in the future people, everybody who's going to be okay with blackface, like black people will be okay with blackface. As long as it's not done in a hateful way, as long as it's just like imitating a character.

Nah, I think people should leave it alone. I know, do you say that, but I wonder if in the future will be so detached from the films and TV shows that used it, right? Nah, because I'll be honest with you, I can't name a single film or TV show that used it. Can you name a, like, what was your, what was the black? face movie you hated the most. I didn't hate it, but Bamboozoo was all about blackface. That's what the movie was about.

But it was a movie about blackface. It wasn't like an actual movie that used blackface. Yeah, so I think in that context, it'll be fine because the only way a white person could put blackface on, right, in the future, is if they're playing a black role or if they're playing a role of somebody from that time period who used to do blackface for whatever reason. So there's really, why is there, there's no reason for a white person to be. playing a black row in this decade. You know what I'm saying? Just like there's no reason for... No, I'm talking about like some kid who like really admires a basketball player

or fucking President Obama. Don't do it. Just way to Jersey. I know. You got that Jordan jersey hanging behind you. You can put it on. I know who you're rapping. Yeah.

All right? You know what I'm just saying? I don't know. I just wonder in the future of like if people just lose touch with the where it came from, man. I really love that. The only black, the only colored faces. that you can get away with is the Incredible Hulk and an avatar.

Okay? Everything else. Nope. You just can't do it. That's not true. I think you should be able to do the other races because there's no history of, of, like, other races face.

Don't listen to Andrew. We just talked about influence and inspiration. Sure, the race. What? Don't listen to Andrew. I will say this, though. I will say this. There is, like, Asian for sure, right?

I think it's, what is it, Breakfast at Tiffany's. Wasn't the... The Good Earth, all these movies where they cast white actors and literally pulled their eyes back. Yeah. And the long history of that. Wasn't there Pink Panther or some shit like that, too? Wasn't that motherfucker they all? I think that was at least an Asian actor.

The Good Earth and Breakfast of Tiffany's are kind of seen as the two most egregious examples of it. So I guess you could say if there was somebody doing that, then it's so there has been Asian face. Oh, shit. Don't do it. No, there's been blackface and Asian face. What about Indian face? I think you can do Indian face, bro. I think you can't.

No, you can't. I think you do it's good. No, you can't. You sure? It's pointless. It's pointless. You can't do Indian face, bro? What?

Let me ask you a question. Why would you want to? I don't know, man. Maybe you got to play a role. You know what I mean? Go cast a Native American. There's plenty of indigenous people I am. Oh, I didn't mean those Indians.

I meant the other Indians. Like, Akash Indians. Go get Akash. Oh, you mean like, okay, yeah, go get Akash. There's plenty of them out there. Like, no. Listen. But what about for a Halloween costume?

Can you go, can you be Aladdin for Halloween and bronze your face up? Can you be Aladdin? Bronze your face up. No, I've seen people actually get, I've seen people get backlash for that. But for doing that exact costume. Question, can you get a spray tan? Women do that all the time. Can you get a spray tan?

What color is it? It's tan. That's brown. Technically, you're doing brown body. You're doing brown face? If you do, if you do, if you put on spray tanning and then dress like Cardi B and then run around and tell everybody, you know what I mean?

Then they're going to be like, wait a minute, you're appropriating culture. But if you just got a spray tan because you want a spray tan, that's not a problem. Can you go tanning, get really tan, and then dress like Cardi B and run around and go, ah, is that doing blackface? Yes, and I'll tell you why. But you get tan. That's natural from the sun.

from the sun. That's that melanin Nick was talking about. But you said she's running around acting like Cardi B. We had a conversation earlier in this podcast about stereotypes and about how a lot of the images that we saw on television were stereotypes of these people. So you're pretending to be what you think a Dominican woman like Cardi B acts like. You're pretending to be what you think a black person acts like. That would be true if you were just being a generic Dominican girl

or generic black person. But if you're specifically trying to be Cardi B, you're just walking around going, coronavirus, coronavirus, that's not good. Why not? I just don't see the point of it. And by the way, you probably can get away with it without the tan. Like, just don't do the tan.

If you want to put on a fashion oval onesie, you know what I mean, a fashion over catch suit and pretend to be Cardi B or mimic the spirit of Cardi B, Rock out. That's the thing, bro. Don't do the spray tan. But that's the thing.

If white people, if you want to do black face bad enough, you got to earn it. Get that fucking skin cancer. Go out there and tan the fuck out of yourself. How bad do you want it? Because that's a natural, bro. That's a natural.

Hold on. Back to the conversation. Okay. Because I need to address a few people. Okay, go, go. Yeah, hit it. because I made a, I talked about this, you know, on Breakfast Club earlier this week. And they started lumping me in, you know, with Nick Cannon and, you know, and Diddy and D. Wade and all types of other stuff, right?

And I saw Candace Owens. Candice Owens, how are you? That's my third cousin on my father's side. She tweeted out yesterday, I respect Cedar God with his comment that Nick Cannon's firing proves Jews have the power is off base. Then she goes, then she goes on to say, did the hundreds of white people who have been fired over these past few months for disagreeing with the radical goals of Black Lives Matter prove that we have the power. Now, Chris, I asked you last night, why is me saying, Nick Cannon being fired proves that Jewish people have the power?

I mean, why is that offending some people? I think it's a similar triggering mechanism in that when Jews hear the word power, especially in the context of media or finance, there's always been an implication that, again, there are these behind the scenes, things that they control, that they control the entire entertainment industry, that they control the entire finance. industry. And I think that's when you start getting into the same problems you get when you talk

about the Rothschild. So I don't think that's what you intended. So what I would say is what it's really about is Jews do a good job at holding people accountable, right, for anti-Semitic opinions. Not that they are controlling everything behind the scenes, but when somebody says something publicly, they hold that person accountable. And we've seen it in the situation. I mean, that's literally why you have an organization like the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League. That's literally what they're there to do, to stand up and fight back, push back against defamation. But I think some... Sorry. Sorry, Chris. I would also say it makes it easier when you're in a position of power

to execute that. And I think a good, a good example of that is when Roseanne said that that lady looked like, what does she say? She looked like Planet the Apes and ISIS or something like that, remember? Yes. Remember? I think it was a, it was a, Valerie Jarrett, I think.

Valerie Jarrett, right? When she said that, she got fired from her own show, and I believe the head of ABC was a black woman. I'm pretty sure that. And I think that that goes to show that like when there are people in positions

of power, they can protect their communities and the world from racism and that is the importance of representation. Is that not wrong? And that is exactly what I was talking about. Is that wrong to say? No. And I just want to go back to, you know, Candace, you know, I would ask Candace, first of all, what hundreds of white people have been fired for disagreeing with the radical goals of BLM? Who are these hundreds of white people who have been fired for disagreeing with BLM? I haven't seen them. Okay, but to answer her question,

black people don't have the power. You know, it's not enough of us, as we just said, in positions of power to have the power. But I think we built a little bit of power via social media, enough power that we can raise awareness to racism and bigotry, you know, but not the power we could have if we own something, you know, and if we were the boss,

I don't have to ask anybody to fire somebody or demand somebody to be fired. I could just do it. Right. If I don't agree with what they did. And I feel like we all would want that, kind of power, right? And as Christian said, just like Jewish people demand accountability for attacks against their culture, that's something we all should want to emulate. Yeah, I don't think

it should be a criticism. I think it should be something you aspire to to get to. And so when I was looking on, you know, social media yesterday and people were sending me articles because I was really kind of out of the loop. I saw a Washington Examiner said that I implied Jewish people control to meeting. Like they posted what Nick Cannon said and then said, I doubled down on what Nick said. I would simply ask those two journalists, why are y'all twisting my words? Don't put no stereotypes in my mouth. Okay. They both, they both said I implied Jewish people control the media. Why would you do that? I didn't imply anything. I made a statement. And if the word power makes you feel uncomfortable, I'll simply repeat what I just said. Jewish people demand accountability for attacks against their

culture, that's something we should all want to emulate. And I think you qualified it with your statement about Brianna Taylor, right? Didn't you say, didn't you say like, Nick Cannon got Nick, Nick Cannon, you know. You said something about like, yeah, I would like to have the ability. We can't even get the cops fired. Black people can't even get the cops fired who killed. For killing us. For killing us.

Yeah. And I was like, I think that was the most important part of that statement that they just kind of skirted over is that you were using this as an example. or something that you would like to have. We would love to be in these positions of power where they can't, and on social media, it does exist. People are afraid of black Twitter coming from them. They're afraid of pissing all black Twitter.

Let's be real. And it's been used as a, sometimes it's been used as a weapon of a miscalculated weapon, but sometimes it's been used as a weapon of justice. You know what I'm saying? Real talk. Like there's a lot of people. I don't think you have close to the amount of attention.

is broad in these cases if it wasn't for black Twitter. Oh, 100%. But that's the little bit of power that black Twitter has. And listen, that power is going to grow. You know, it's growing. It's going to grow from something that's on social media to actually creating some systemic change. You're seeing it now.

You're seeing these organizations hiring more black people, hiring more brown people, hiring more indigenous people, putting black people in positions of power so organizations and companies don't make these kind of mistakes. Listen, we all have. cultural blind spots. We all do. To act like we don't is crazy. And to avoid

having those cultural blind spots, you have people around you that are from that culture. And I think, yeah, go, go, go. No, when I see people, when I saw people pushing back on me yesterday, I didn't get mad and say, y'all tripping, this is true. I'm like, Chris, why are they upset about this?

I thought that was a compliment. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I want I want that type of ability to demand accountability for attacks against my culture. Yeah. Like, that's the whole reason we get crazy on Cairns. That's the whole reason we get crazy on people

who say the N-word all willy-nilly. If you do a random act of racism on your job or in the street, it's the reason people are recording you and sending it on social media so people can raise hell so hopefully some accountability can take place. Yeah, I think it's great. I'm just annoyed at Candace because Candice knows she got some questionable shit

in her past, some very questionable anti-Semitic shit in her past. So if her to pop off in the mouth is very curious. Very curious. She's had some interesting things to say. Has she not? Oh, you're talking about when,

that Germany thing? Where she literally... Yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to misquote it. All right. Let me pull it up so we're accurate. I don't want to do it other people. I can't believe she opened her mouth. what other people do to me.

I can't believe she opened her mouth about this specific topic. That is crazy to me with what she said in that, what was it? It was like a Senate committee hearing or something like that. And the Republicans sent Canis-O-Zone's there. And then I think Ted Liu read something, or no, played audio of something that she said. And she specifically said, you got it? Let me see if I can bring it up. You want me to bring it up?

I'll bring it up. Yeah, bring it up. You know what, though? I'm sitting here, right? we should just tell people to Google it. Google Candice Owens. I got it right here if you need it. And Ted Lou, I mean, listen, to be honest with you,

I don't even want it. And the reason I don't want it is because I don't even know what the hell she was talking about. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So I don't know what she was talking about. I just know that she made a statement last year and she received backlash

and people were calling her an anti-Semitic. So I don't know. I just thought it was strange that, you know, she would try to gaslight this situation. You know what I mean? And I don't understand why I have to watch and examiner and news week try to gaslight this situation. Like all I'm simply saying is don't put stereotypes in my mouth because I wasn't trying to

imply anything. I wasn't trying to imply anything. I said what I said. I made a statement and I will say it over and over. I love. Let me say this. Let me say this. I love the way Jewish people demand accountability for attacks against their culture.

And that's something. that we all should want to emulate. That's something that we all should want. I don't care if you're a woman. I don't care if you're LGBT. I don't care if you're Asian American. If you are part of any marginalized, oppressed community and you feel like people need to be held accountable

for anti-semitic remarks, homophobic remarks, transphobic remarks, racial remarks, I am happy that, you know, you have the ability to raise awareness to it and get something done about it. I really do. And listen, and I love that Nick Cannon apologized And I also love that Fox is keeping him on the Masked Singer You know, I just think that, you know, I'm just happy

I'm just happy Nick didn't lose the mass thing And I also hope CBS Viacom comes back around Because as you said earlier shows This is an opportunity for all of us to educate each other, man Yes I do I think most black people probably do not have a Jewish friend I really believe that I really believe it.

I have several. You happen to be in entertainment. But what I'm saying is... You know what? I don't know if that is a fact because I feel like that... I feel like that could be taken out of context. Take it however you want.

Take it however you want. But when you were growing up, did you have a Jewish friend? I'm going to be totally honest with you. I don't know if I did or not. Exactly. I never thought about it. I never thought about it.

I don't know if I had an Italian friend. I don't know what Thomas is. Thomas is my friend. First white friend, Thomas Evans. Thomas used to live right next, clearly not. Not Jewish. Chris, Chris, Chris, why do you all say it? So how do y'all know?

Because we know. White guy with the name Thomas Evan in South Carolina. I'm pretty comfortable. I don't like the way y'all is stereotyping. Chris, is it fair to say that most people, not just black people, white people, most people probably don't have Jews in their community? I think that's very fair. And actually, I got to jump off in a second.

but I think it gets back to what you were saying earlier about redlining, which is, you know, I grew up in a Jewish world. You know, I'm on the East Coast. My family is Jewish. I assume most people know Jewish history because it's what I grew up being told and reading and learning about. Jews represent probably, I don't know, the exact figure, under 2% of the country. Bro, let me tell you some crazy shit.

When I was growing up and I was in elementary school, I thought everybody was Jewish and I was the only one that was. It was me, Cuamana Pampford, and Alexis Perez. But you grew up in New York. Exactly. That's how different the world was. And then I got into high school and I started to dress, oh, shit, there's people who aren't Jewish as well. And most people aren't Jewish.

I didn't realize that when I went to college, it was the first time I heard anybody say anything that was anti-Semitic. My boy said something like, oh, yeah, they really try to Jew you down on the price. And I go, what? And they're like, yeah, they try to Jew you down. And I asked him about it. And no bullshit. he didn't even know was wrong to say. You know why?

Because that was the image. That's the stereotype they used to enforce on movies and TV shows and everything else. Exactly. So it's like, so when he said it, he didn't even know it was wrong because he didn't have any Jewish people in his community. He didn't everybody be like, oh, that's been a stereotype that's used against us, right? So it's like, I truly believe that moments like this should be more educational than punitive, right? Because if you just cut Nick out of here and get him the fuck out of here and

he's just going to he's going to roll deeper into that type of like not no no not even nick somebody else is going to make that same mistake sure sure because there was no there was no education done yeah right and that and that's what should happen in any of these situations that should happen when you know you say something anti-semitic that should happen when you say something that offends LGBT that's what should happen when you say something that offends black people women whatever and and that's that's the biggest takeaway right and chris i don't want you to jump off just yet because i i want to say this I just simply think Nick needs to be educated on the Jewish community and in turn he can help to educate Jewish folks on the black community

and we all have cultural blind spots and sometimes those cultural blind spots make us perpetuate negative stereotypes that lead to people's persecution. That's why I love the statement that Fox said. Let me read, let me let me say this one line from Fox. I just had it too. God damn it. Hold on. It's this one line that it was this one line in the Fox statement

what they released where they said, uh, yes, this was important for us to observe. Nick has sincerely apologized. Oh no. Yes. What he said was wrong and lacked both understanding and context

and inadvertently promoted hate. Right. Right? And I think that's what happens when you have cultural blind spots. You inadvertently promote hate. Are you inadvertently perpetuate negative stereos types that leads to people's persecution. That's right. And that's what happened in this situation. But I don't care what nobody says. Black and Jewish people need each other. This is something me and Chris was talking

about last night. Our struggles are too similar. It's two oppressed, marginalized groups. We need to come together in this moment and fight against the real enemy, which is Andrew, all right? Try to take me down, baby. Come and get it. But seriously, the real enemy, which is white, supremacy. That's it. That's all. Guys, I think that was a, I think we got it. I think that was a great talk. Yeah. All right, as always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant.

You're absolutely right. If you listen to this podcast, you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right too. It's a brilliant idiotous podcast. Thank you for listening. Peace.