The Brilliant Idiots - The Art Of Intention (Ft. Mouse Jones)

Episode Date: November 19, 2020

Mouse Jones fills in for Andrew Schulz this week and with Charlamagne The God they discuss what is intention, The Versuz battle between Gucci Mane and Jeezy, Tory Lanez, Premium Pete drops in for a few, we do #askanidiot, and more!!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's so stupid. It's positively brilliant. Yep, Shalamane the God. My guy, Andrew Shultz, he is not available this week. The reason Andrew Shultz is not available because Andrew Shultz is busy as he should be. And Andrew Shultz is cooking up something, man, that I really can't wait for the world to see. The main reason I can't wait for the world to see it because I love to see, I just love to see my guys prospering. I love to see my guys shining, man.

I love to see people in my team winning. And Andrew Shost definitely has a power move that he's about to let the world know about. And I cannot fucking wait. I started to say to rub it in your face, but that's not what I meant. You know what I'd be like, I salute to my guy, Mouse. Mouse is here. Your piece, peace. Mouse is here.

He got the full set up in his house. He got the full set. That's good though. You're a professional. This is your job. This is my job. This is my job. So I got to have it.

You know, it was no way. in no way I was going to be recording off the goddamn Zoom audio all the damn time. That's right. That's right. But, you know, I'm saying, like, you know, I'm competitive without being competitive, but really, I'm always thinking about Michael Jordan in the locker room with the baseball bat. I can't lie. Like, I'm always there with it.

I'm always in the locker room smoking a cigar with the baseball bat. And it's just, it gets to a point. It's just like, I'm not competing with anybody but myself, but it's just like, you know, I just like to see my people. I remember when you did You remember in the beginning of quarantine I did a little project And I remember you I said that you were the first interview

And you said I asked you that And you were like I'm not in no rat race I'm not in the competition with nobody But there has to be people that There has to be people that you've laughed by now That you're happy to see lap or like There has to be some type of healthy I don't even know if it's healthy or not

But there has to be something like the competition Don't keep you You going I'm not I'm not It's not about laughing people right Like, that's never my mindset. My mindset is never, I'm going to pass this person. I'm going to blow past this person.

My mindset is more, if you have ever talked shit, you know what I mean, or meaning that, and this goes back to not even, you know, now, I'm just talking about even back in the day of like, oh, he'll never be nothing or this will never happen for him or yada, yada, yeah. That's always where my mind is. You know what I'm saying? Like, my mind is on the program director in Philly, soothed my guy, Bougie D.

He's not really my guy. I don't have anything personally against him, but I'm just saying like salute to him. He's a brother, black man, salute to him. But he's somebody who fired me, you know what I mean? And told me this is why I would never make it in radio.

You know what I'm saying? Somebody like my man, you know, DJ Cass. He's not really my man. I'm just saying my man because I don't have no problems with the brother. God bless that black man. Him and Charleston, I remember when I got fired from Hot 98-9 to Charleston, he was on the radio saying like, he'll probably never work in radio again.

Shit like that is what constantly fuels me. A family member of mine who, I honestly just started showing love to because back in the day you know they read a paper that my now wife wrote about me because my wife had did a paper on me when she was in college and it was an interview and I was saying basically everything I'm doing now I was going to do

and at the time I was just doing local radio in South Carolina so that seemed like a pipe dream for mad motherfuckers and this person was like he couldn't even make it in Atlanta how could he ever think he would be in New York right it's shit like that that that constantly motivates me. And you know, Andrew is somebody that people are fronting on too. You know what I mean?

And people are fronting on Andrew. They fronted on Andrew and Andrew, you know, was out here auditioning for different things and he wasn't getting the roles. And, like, it was one point people didn't even know Andrew was a comedian. They thought he was some type of political pundit like Ben Shapiro. You know what I mean? All right, Andy. You know what I mean?

So people are fronting on my guy. So to see him buckle down and take his career in his own hands and like really start utilizing. the internet and social media and for all of that, for everything that's manifested for him now, I love to see it. I just love to see it.

That's a fact. And like, it's so weird because people look at me and be like, yo, why you support Shult? Why you fuck with Shult? And I'm like, yo, if you never had a conversation when you won't get it.

That's right. Right? And I get it, I get it, being, you know, being in this position, I get it that, you know, sometimes, sometimes your only, your only access to a person is wherever you heard them.

And that thing, but, like, the objectivity just is not there no more. Yes. Objectivity is not there. And I did, I had louder than the riot. They were on Rodney and Sid. They was on guys next door this week. And they was, and I asked them about that.

I was like, how do you stay objective or how do you stay impartial when discussing these specific rap stories that you're a fan of? And Rodney was like, it's objectivity is not a real thing. Wow. It's not a real thing. Objectivity is not a real thing. Like you sit on one side, whether you like to acknowledge it or not. And I think for most people, well, I won't say for most people. For some people, that's where they sit with Andrew.

Like they sit with Andrew like, oh, I heard him say this. I heard him. Like, everybody tends to forget that this is all a learning process. And over the past five years, I don't know if there's ever been a shift in like social consciousness like there's been in the past five years. So like, you're expecting Andrew who grew up one way to see things the way you're seeing them right now. And you're not giving him that growth.

And obviously you're not going to give him the growth where you're going to be a little on him for two reasons. One, he's a white man. And two, he stands next to you. So, y'all two together kind of make everything new clear. So you have to pick aside. But I say it all the time. I think Andrew and I think, and I think Carlos Miller are two of the greatest comedians on the road right now. Oh, that's not even close. I agree with you. I super. I love seeing shows one. White or not, I love seeing shows one. You know, it's so funny, man, what you said about being objective. That's such an interesting take because I think you have to. to be intentionally objective. You know what I mean? I think it's natural that, you know,

because we're tribal people. So we have beliefs, we have thoughts, we have things that we agree with just when we hear them or see them. But sometimes you got to take a step back and just look at something for what it is. You know what I mean? That's how you be objective. Your initial reaction might be to pick aside, but you got to take a step back and just observe something. You know what I mean? Let's be objective. Right. But people get caught up in that, right? People get caught up in that, that initial thought you're going to pick a side. Nobody, even me, I like to think I'm the most objective. But in that initial moment, perfect example, we'll take you, right?

You, you know how I'm arrived for you. In that moment when somebody say something, initially I'm like, now I got to support on. But then I got to step back. And I have that second thought like, I will let me be objective. Let me see. Well, what happened? Let me make sure he's not wrong.

Let me make sure he not wrong. Because I'll text you. I'll be like, unc, I don't know. I don't know about that one. You know what I mean? And so you, but I think people get caught up in that first. thought too much. That first thought is that tribalism thought like what? No. And then you're, nobody wants to apologize. Nobody wants to moonwalk. Nobody wants to say, I, maybe I did too much.

Maybe I did too much. And a lot of people do too much in that first instant, right? Some people, and I've been there, like, from the first time y'all met me or from the first time y'all heard me here to now, like, people be like, oh, Moushain, nah, I just had a moment to think for a minute. Because in a lot of instances when people were not being objective in regards to me, I'm responding to your first initial thought. I'm like, oh, so you on that side? So now I'm going to blow the whole side of you too. To now it's like, man, sit.

All right, stay over there. Watch me work. You know, intention is important too, right? Because, like, you know, my man hit me yesterday. Soutty my man, partisan, partisan fontaine. He hit me yesterday. Yeah, that's my guy. I've been knowing party for a minute, you know, and we was discussing something.

He was telling me that I was being insensitive about. And I was like, hmm. And that's my man. So if my man telling me that, I don't got no reason to be defensive. It's like, let me step back for a second and see where he might have been right.

You know what I mean? I still don't think he was right. You know what I mean? Because I took a step back because what he saw was only 40, 50 seconds or something, right? But when he saw the whole thing, he was like, oh, I understand a little bit better now. But I still took into consideration what he said

because even if that 40 seconds of it came off is insensitive, that's not what I wanted out there. You know what I'm saying? Right. So it's just like that I had to step back. Even though in my intention, I know what my intention was when I said what I said, I had to just take a step back just to make sure I was actually being

as fair as I thought I was. You know what I mean? Because sometimes we don't see or hear ourselves. Right. But sometimes it takes an outside perspective to be like, nah you was a little insensitive or nah yeah you came off salty yada you know what I mean because in our mind

you know that's not your intention but that's don't mean that's not the way it's coming off so I often wonder what's more important intention or per perception intention intention because you can't control perception right like I'm when I'm pretty sure when a lot of audiences first met me they perceived me to be this little hot head

this five and it's like nah that ain't really me like I'm just somebody who that might be emails Okay. That might be you. See, that's your perception. That might be you slightly. I'm just, listen, I'm 5A and I like respect.

So maybe that may come across to that. But really, all is really saying, and I had to step back and think about it, after having many conversations with people, you and others, like, nah, I had this chip on my shoulder. I had this chip on my shoulder that I was 26 years old with two kids. and then I figured out what I wanted to do when I'm in a lane with people who have been figured out

what they did who've been figured out what they wanted to do had connections, went to college, things I didn't do. So any slight against me felt like you were coming for me. So I was responding like that.

I had to figure that out. I had to figure out. But my intention was never to just thought shit with nobody and my attention wasn't to take it farther than that. My intention was to just gain my respect. And you got, if I see you disrespect to me,

no, I need that. You got to get that. You got, however I'm going to get, I'm going to get it. So it's always done, me personally, I always think it's the intention. The sad part about this business, right? Figuring out what you want to do is usually the easy part. The hard part is figuring out who you actually are. Because a lot of us, a lot of us are, we're all growing in real time, right?

Because what I've seen happen over the years and what I've always tried to avoid is something that I talk about on this podcast often is like, you see people hit a ceiling. The reason they hit a ceiling is because they get stuck in their character. you know what I mean so the perception of them is what they try to keep going right so these are people who know what they want to do which is this radio podcast thing but they don't necessarily know who they are and they get they get stuck in people's perception of them because that perception is what has made them money that perception is what has gotten them ratings that perception is what has gotten them opportunities like people know them for that um so they they kind of get stuck in that and

eventually you hit a ceiling like you got to you got to constantly be able to know who you are. And people talk about reinventing yourself, which is so lame to me, right? Right. Because who were you five seconds ago? Exactly. It's not about reinventing yourself. It's just about evolving.

Exactly. Because when you evolve, you're naturally reinventing yourself. Like, I'm not going to be the same now 10 years from now. Just like I wasn't the same as I am now 10 years ago. You know what I mean? But even in that, there's still a level of who you are, right? When you reinvent yourself, that means you're a completely different person. You can't reinvent yourself because essentially that's like saying I went and got a new body or something like that.

No, your inside is still the same. And I think that's what people are connected to, right? They can't connect to you if you're this completely different person from who they want, who they connected with five years ago. Yeah, I mean, listen, if the feeling, if the feeling that you connected with is authenticness, right? If it's authentic, if that's what you connected with a person for because they're authentic. That's usually what my connections, what people come from. Authenticity. I just like people who are authenticness.

I don't have to agree with you. I may not agree with things that you say and everything. But if you're authentic, if that's truly who you are, it's just something about you that makes me gravitate towards you. If you're being authentic, it don't matter how you grow and how you evolve. As long as you take people on that journey, it's when you are just aging and not evolving. And staying in this character that it starts to look fake.

You're like, I don't want to be a part of that no more. You know what I'm saying? And by the way, go ahead. No, go ahead. I think the scariest thing about that in our, in our industry is when you do that and you're just aging and you're stuck in this character, it forces the fans to be or the supporters. It puts them in a weird predicament. Because then essentially you're going to clash with something or someone and then you're going to put the fans in a predicament where they can't like both of you and they have to pick a side. Right?

And it's like, do you want to be the person? Like, if you're going to force the fans to pick a side, let it be between right and wrong. Don't let it be because you're forcing in a pick between your ego, your aging ego, and someone who doesn't subscribe to your aging ego. Why do we even got to pick a side in this business? If you want to listen to mouse, listen to mouse. If you want to listen to, you know, academics, listen to academics. If you want to listen to Nori, listen to Nori, listen to all it.

It's enough for everybody to be listened to. I think some people are forced to pick sides when they feel like somebody's wrong. When they feel like somebody's wrong, that's when you're forced to pick a side, right? If there's a situation regarding somebody and you're like, oh, no, that person's wrong. And it's almost like music, right? Like, why have a lot of people stop listening to the little guy, the Torrey Lane's kid? Because essentially they feel whatever happened was wrong. They're standing on the side of right.

So that's essentially what happens with us, except it's not three minutes. You're listening, you're usually listening to us for hours on end. And these people feel connected to us in a very specific niche way. Like, we're in their ears, right? We're talking to them. They're thinking about writing letters to us and DM and us to get, you know, so it's completely different. So you're, it's more than a music artist.

Like, you're literally bought into the way you think. They literally buy into the way I think, the way Schultz thinks, the way Ryan thinks, the way Mac thinks. Like, they're bought in. So when something challenges that, they, the listeners feel just as challenged as the actual person. By the way, people are lying when they say they don't listen to Torrey Lane's no more. I hear that all praises due to the most high song on the radio all the time.

And it's actually a really slick move on Tori's part because you know how when you walking down the street and somebody tries to hand you a Jesus pamphlet? You're going to take that pamphlet. You're going to take that church pamphlet. You know what I'm saying? If they say God or church on it, you're going to take it. It's the same thing. I keep my hands in my pocket.

I don't take that. I don't take no pamphlets. I don't take no propaganda, nothing. Really? Keep it away. I keep your paraphernalia away from me. So if somebody walks with you right now, it's like, your Jesus wants to save you.

Here. I'm a head and I, and my hands in my pocket. They're not coming out. Wow. Tori did the Cheiko. You named it. The song is all praises due to the most high.

That's the hook. I can see how DJs can have a little struggle when it comes and not playing that record. I think with him, what's happening with him and Meg, that is, I've never seen this. not with black people. Like, I've never seen a black person

to be able to fight something like this before. I've never seen a black man be able to fight this before. Like, if there's any, he would, if anyone else he would have been out of here. Like, and you would have argued against it, you would have spoke up against it. It would have made you worse.

He's actually have, he actually has the, it's a split. Like, no. We're acting like we haven't seen things like this before. I haven't. I'm not into, uh, I'm not into Man, that's Hustleman from the fifth floor

Just walking to your house like that. Not my dad. I'm not into like, what's the word? The crime, crime Olympics. Like, I'm not trying to compare what crime is. But we've seen pedophilia. We've seen domestic violence. You know what I'm saying?

We've seen, you know, people go to jail for murder. We've seen that in our culture. seeing these musicians who have done these things, these artists who have done these things, radio still plays their records. You know what I'm saying? People still invite them to award shows. Like, that's why you're standing on real shaky moral ground when you're like, well, you shouldn't be playing Torrey Lane's music. Yeah, but you're playing all these other artists who're talking about drug dealing and killing and everything else, you know? That's different, right? If you're talking about your lived experience, that's one thing, right?

Like, I'm never going to judge somebody for that. Like, if you're talking about your lived experience what you went through, I'm with it. If we're talking about you, like, now if your lived experience is abusing women, black women at that, I'm not going to support that. So let alone to watch him, like, what, a week before, you know, he was talking about Breonna Taylor, St, and Third, and then this comes out, it's weird. For me, it's weird. It definitely had, this is probably the first time in a long time.

I'm looking around, like, at everybody like, yo, what, what you want right now? Well, what about all the music? historically in hip hop that has that that has been violent towards women. It's a lot of it. Like what? Like I hear that argument, but then I ask people like what? A lot. Like you got,

you got, you got, I mean, it's a lot. It's so much. I don't even want to quote any of these brothers. Like when, because I don't even want,

I don't even want people to go searching for this shit and digging up people and trying to cancel them. But it is, it's almost like violence against women was a genre of music at one point. You know, I'm serious. Like, it was,

it was nothing. to hear guys talking about beating women, sexually assaulting women, whatever it was. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying like it's real shaky moral high ground to stand on in hip-hop to say we shouldn't be playing his music. Because it's so many people's music you got to stop playing. And whether the music is because of something they did or something they're saying in their actual music. Like are we that connected to these remixes?

like that's really what I'm asking. Like, are we that connected to these 2000 and these early 2000 remixes that we're not going to move off of that? We could talk. If you talk about R. Kelly, we can talk about that. No, I was specifically talking about Tori. Like, are we that connected to him? Oh, no. Listen, I'm not.

I think Tori is talented, but I'm not, you know, I'm not, no, I'm not. But I'm not saying somebody wouldn't be, though. But there are artists who people have that connection to. Like, yo, you can. can't tell nobody nothing bad about Michael Jackson. Some people you can't tell nothing bad about all Kelly. You know what I'm saying? And by the way, I'm all for everybody.

That's the other thing. We talk about picking sides. Like, yo, some people believe that they're not guilty with they're being accused of. That's fine. You know what I'm saying? Just like everybody has their right to an opinion. But the music is the music.

Either the music slaps or it doesn't. I'm just saying that if it comes to us deciding whether or not we're going to play artists based off things that they, done, you know, outside of the music, man, it's a lot of artists that might, that we might not need to be playing there. Well, but I don't think Tori got no slappers that cause that, that caused that, Tori don't got no slappers that make us have that conversation? I'm not, I can't speak to that.

I'm not in the Tori's music like that. You know what I'm saying? Tori don't got no slap. All his slapers, or the records you would talk about are just remixes of songs that we really liked 15 years ago. I don't even want to say the Tory record I really like. Now it's not an appropriate time to say it. But I really do like,

there's one Torrey Lane's record, I think, slaps. You know which one I'm talking about, too. I know which one you're talking about. And I don't even want to say it because I don't even want to think nobody to think I'm even trying to be funny or play with that situation because, you know, a young woman was traumatized in that situation. But that record slaps.

You know, like, everything does, man. That record slaps. And I've spoken about the record before. I can watch Breakfast Club interviews. I've told them how much I like that record. You know? It's just the irony of it. I'll just say it.

The record is shooters. But that's just the irony. It's the irony that I really, really like that record. You know what I mean? But I don't know. It's not, mouse, it's not supposed to be laughed at. Oh, God. I didn't think you was going to say it.

That's why I'm laughing. I mean, I can say it because my intention is not, I'm not trying to. I'm like, if you go back and watch old. record club interviews with Tori, I've told him that. That's probably my favorite Torrey Lane record, but I also have not listened to a whole lot of Tori. You know what I mean? That little nick got to go. I don't care nobody. I say, that little nigger got to go. You got to have his day in court. He got to go until then.

Yeah? What are you supposed to do? Listen, I don't like that. You know what? I don't like that. I don't like that thought process because it puts us in this predicament that it puts, especially when black men say that, We got to wait for their day in court. Any other time we talk about how fucked up the court system is. So why are we leaving it in the hands? Oh, no, no, no, the court's going to get a right with this one. No, I just think.

I just think we're saying everybody is a loud due process. That's all. But they're not. The truth is they're not. We just got to talk about objectivity. It does not. Due process ain't really due process. Because it's social media and the court of public opinion.

And by the way, I've seen too many people get crucified because of the court of public opinion. Like it's people that are really facing horrible situations right now and social media has buried them, convicted them, you know, jurors going to the courtroom and they've seen all of this stuff on social media

and they think they know. So speaking of objectivity, they're not even listening to the actual case. But that's been done. We can't blame social media for that. There's a great documentary on Netflix. I think it's called the Court of Public Opinion, I think.

But it talks just about that. It talks about how when courts were when like court proceedings started being filmed and things of that nature that a lot of these cases the cases that they cover were fought not in the courtroom

it was outside it was what the lawyers did outside the courtroom to make these people look better and look like that so that was happening before social media that was happening way before social media so we can't blame it on that

I just that's why when they said the other day that Bootsie was shot I said hold on y'all wait for all the facts to come out we don't know what happened We got to do the same thing. We have to do the same thing,

especially about the people that the people that had the biggest mouth about the situation. You got to have, you got to have that. But that's what I'm saying about Tori, though. So it's like you got to let them have this due process. Like you can't, you can't get rid of them right now

because truth be told, it's two sides to the story, right? I don't believe that. I think that. I love what people said. I don't believe that. I think there's a truth and there's the lie. I don't care.

We don't know which is which. We really. don't. He said he didn't shoot her. Yeah, the girl is shot. What else are we talking about here? I don't know. That's all I'm saying. I don't know. Yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't, I'm not picking aside. I don't, I don't want to, I don't want her to have to relive that trauma. You know what I mean? And I don't, I don't know what I want to see happen to him. If, if he, if he's, if he actually did what she said she did, he deserves everything that the universe is, has got coming his way. But if he didn't do it and it went another way than we think, hey, man, you know what I'm

saying? That's why I just be like, I don't know. Like let's let the facts come out in the future, I guess. So speaking about that, though, somebody hit me yesterday and was like, yo, your man, wild. I said, what happened? They sent me a clip. And it was, I guess they was talking about you didn't, y'all didn't want to have her on because she didn't want to talk about that.

Well, yeah, I'm glad you bought that up. That was, let's get into positively brilliant and what. the fucking idiot. I don't know where, I don't know where this lands under it, under which one. But that conversation I was having had nothing to do with Megan, you know what I mean? If you saw the whole clip, we even said at the end of the clip like, I'm 100% sure it's not Megan. You know, that's the label or the representative. My whole point of that statement was, treat the black media outlets and black publications the same way you treat the white ones. Megan got her album coming out, good news. The label.

or her representative, somebody hit our producing and was like, yo, we want to get Megan on Breakfast Club. But here's a list of things that you can't ask her about. It wasn't even just the Tori Lane stuff. It was Tori Lane's. It was the article she did for, I think, the New York Times or something like that. And I'm like, that was a great article. Like, she stood up for black women.

Like, you know, why wouldn't be able to ask about that? And, you know, there was other things on there, which I understood, you know, because it's things that I'm sure still traumatize her, like, you know, her mother and everything else. And it's like, we've interviewed. you'd Megan before. We've had these conversations. I didn't ask them. That's type of stuff then. So why would I ask that now? I understand that's a trigger. That's your mom, dad? Like, why would I bring that up? Right. Right. So it was just a list of things that they

didn't want us to ask. So I respectfully declined. That has nothing to do with Megan. We do that all the time. If you come in there with a laundry list of things and you don't want us to talk about, cool. We'll see you next time. It's no need for the conflict or the back and But when the GQ magazine comes out, she's giving it up, you know? And it's not even like, I don't want to talk about that shit with her. I don't want to talk about the Tory Lane shit and have her reliving that trauma. It's just the principle for me.

These label reps and these labels comes to these white publications, want this cover, want this appearance on this late night show. You know, you want to be named rapper of the year. No restrictions. By GQ. Yeah. But when it comes to the black. media outlets and black publications

can't ask this, can't ask that. And so what does that make our people do when they tune into our interviews? They're like, man, they didn't ask about this. They didn't talk about that. They didn't do X, Y, and Z, yada, yada, yada. It's like, that makes us look whack. And that's the scariest part about all of that, right?

Because I think the scariest part about all of this is everybody has a podcast. Everybody is doing interviews with whatever upcoming rap in their neighborhood. So everybody thinks that, and that's the good and bad part of it because everybody knows or feels they know, how an interview should go.

So right now they could kind of see like, oh, well, he didn't ask this and why wouldn't he ask that? So they think it just, I 100% agree with you in that instance where it does put the black media platforms in a, you put this in a fucked up position. Yeah, and you keep, and you're keeping the white publications in white media outlets looking like they're the leaders in the space because you're giving them all the shit. You know what I mean? And even, and by the way, even if an artist says no.

comment, at least that publication was allowed to ask. And I tell artists that all the time. If I ask you something, you can say no comment. You know what I mean? That's fine. But most of the time, it's not even coming from the artists. It's the labels. It's the representatives.

It's the publicists. They're just, you know, being overprotective, which is fine. You know what I mean? But I just, for me, it was just about principle. It didn't have anything to do with Megan personally. I got nothing but love for Megan. You know what I mean? I don't know her on a personal level.

But I salute her. I respect her talent. I think, you know, when she does her thing with her knees where she's like doing the twerk thing and she gets real low, that shit is better than the moonwalk to me. You know what I mean? And so like when she did that shit to that video, what was that song?

Thick, tick, tick, tick, tick when she was in the dance studio? Man, bro, that shit was like the moonwalk. But I'm saying all that to say it had nothing to do with her. Like this is literally about I want these labels and label representatives and the publicists, whoever else, show the same respect you give to them white outlets to the black outlets. Simple.

That's it. And that's actually, that's funny. What you bought up is what partisan was calling me about. Okay. That's what that was. That's what that was. So I took it upon myself to, you know, just personally reach out to Meg and let her know, like, yo, if you, if you, you know, I hope you weren't offended by that. I hope you didn't take it personal.

It had nothing to do with you. It was just, it was more of an indictment of the labels and the label representatives and the publicists and all of that shit like that. Because if we don't fight for that shit, they ain't going to never get, never get, never, give black me out less that respect. If breakfast club can't get that respect, what they're going to do to a morning show somewhere else or another black podcast is somewhere else?

Like somebody got to be like, nah. So what do you do? So what do all right? So we was, so guys next door, we was City Girl's first podcast appearance, right? So same thing happens, right? And we've had big guests before, but they

come on and the girl tells us like, yo, to stay first. And in that team is some friends of mine. So they were like, your mouse, please don't ask this. Please. I'm like, come on. Yo, like, don't do that to me. But all right, cool. Give a big list. I'm like, all right, we want to talk about that. I'm like, what the fuck are we going to talk about? Now, not an indictment of them, but there ain't no podcast interviewers or at least not. And it was in the middle of the pandemic. So they're on the screen and we're on the screen. They can't really feel us and vice versa.

So I'm like, yo, y'all, y'all, y'all kind of pigeon-held us. Yeah. But then I, then you guys had them on breakfast club. And like, you had asked a question. I'm like, oh, that was on the list. I know that was on the list. I think you said it to you. I think you're like, they told me not to ask this, but I'm going to ask this.

So what, so if you're always in that predicament, what, what does it do for the future, right? Like, if you're always in a predicament where you got to buck against that, do you just always keep bucking against it? You have to, you have to depend on what it is. I mean, situations that have been traumatic for people, I'm not dwelling on that. You know what I mean? I don't want nobody to relive that trauma. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm not going to sit there and ask, you know, Megan to talk about that night. You know what I mean? I'm not going to talk about her mom. Like, it's just, no, with any artists, anybody, any artist that's been through some trauma, I'm not going to stand on that. But sometimes it's just some silly shit that they don't want us to ask.

And by the way, you can ask a bunch of label reps this. Label reps have come and said, you, don't ask about such and such. And I'd be like, I wasn't even thinking about it. But now it's going to be my first fucking question. And you can ask them. Ask, ask label reps. Ask Angela and Envy.

I do that shit all the time. If it's not some traumatic shit. Right. You know what I mean? If it's just some shit like, oh, she don't want you to ask about this person she's dating. He don't want you to ask about, you know. And I felt, and that was the thing. I felt I ain't going to hold you for the first time ever in the interview.

I felt pussy. I was like, yo, why didn't I ask this, son? Like, I should have asked this because it would have just switched up the, it would have switched up the, the, the, the, the, the energy. Just because when you got this digital space in between us, it's like, if we were in the same room, the way I would have smiled or the way she would have smiled, it would have been a different energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fighting against this fucking digital barrier that we have right now. And it's like, yo, come on. So, like, that was the first interview I ever felt pussy.

I was like, I should ask that. Yeah, I remember when the city girls came on this year, because young Miami's been on by herself before. but when City Girls came on this year with JT, it was via Zoom. And I remember Chris Green, salute to Chris Green at Capitol. Shout to Chris. Yeah. Chris was like, yo, please, chala, please don't ask about Little Oosie. That was the question I wanted to ask.

Boom. I didn't even, I wasn't even on my mind. I didn't know, I didn't know shit about JT and Little Uzi. But now I'm going to ask about it three times. I wanted to ask something. They was like, that was a big, it was big and bold. It was like, mouse. They didn't say Mac name.

They didn't say Ryan name. They said, mouse. Please don't ask about. I said, oh, I said, I'm going to be respectful. I'm going to be respectful. I'm going to be respectful off the back of Chris and Brittany. But nah, fuck out of here. Next time, I'm asking.

50 this week. 50, um, uh, Renee, salute to Renee. I'm sorry, label reps. I'm talking. Salute to Renee from June. And Renee was like, yo, man, please, man, you know, don't ask him about Trump. I'm like, Renee, I don't give, I really wasn't. I don't give a fuck about the Trump.

shit. Like that wasn't even on my mind. Like that wasn't even in my wheelhouse. Guess what? 50 bought it up. Did that be the part? 50 bought it up. I ain't said 50 put it on the table. And that went viral. I'm like, so most of the time, like I said, it's not even the artist. It's the label

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I doubt you all going to be listening to this while y'all watching this. But Gucci Man versus GZ and a versus battle. 17.3. 173 GZey You disrespectful 173 GZZ I'm gonna tell you why One the most important part The most practical part that everybody's forgetting

Is that this is all streaming based So all that Mix tape shit that I guess some people fell in love with you ain't going to hear tonight Because it's not on streaming That's a lie I have heard She has 103 albums and mixtapes combined

And if you go on streaming Yes if you go to title right now It's all of them shit Matter of fact And listen, by the way Let me Elliot back door It for the battle

Let me be clear when I say this GZ is in my top seven favorite rappers of all time If you know me You've heard me say that a million times It's Gizi T-I, Scarface Killer Mike

Ghostface Nause Sean Carter Those are my seven favorite rappers of all time catalog Love Day music I can ride

to their shit all day long With that said I think Jeezy should win this versus but I'm not going to sit here and act like Gucci Man don't have slappers. The thing with Gucci Made, the difference between Gucci Man and Gizi is Gizi has better bodies of work,

meaning GZ has two classic albums and two really great albums. TM 101 and the Recession. Okay, okay, I hear that. Recession is a classic to me. The other two are TM 103 and the inspiration. Those are really great albums. Those are really good albums.

Those are better bodies of work. Even Trapper Die is a mixtape. you can count that as a really great body of work. Trapa died of mixtape was that's what set me. I was like, I don't know who this fat nigga is,

but I'm with it. Gizi has, I think that Trapp of Die movement is one of the top five biggest movements in hip hop history. I got suspended five days for wearing that shirt came back with the same shirt

in red, got to spend another five days. People don't even remember that. They don't remember when the snowman t-shirt was banned. It was banned in all schools. I was banned. That shit was on CNN. The Snowman is banned. That's why he made the mixtape can band the Snowman.

I went in there. I went into the school. And the crazy part is I've never been, I've never classified myself as a G-ZE fan. I'm not a G-Zy fan. I like what I like some of the music. I'm not a fan of all the music. But when the Snowman Tees was out,

I was looking like Riley from, from the boondocks. I was mad short with a big-ass t-shirt on. And I got suspended. They was like, and they called my name. nickname. It was like, mouse, you know you can't wear this. I said, it's a freedom of speech. They said it's been. They suspended me for five days. I came back with the next five days.

I came back with the same t-shirt in red, took another five-day suspension. Just because Nicket said, I couldn't do it. Wow. Like, Gucci Man, I didn't have no ice cream tatted on my face. But see, that's the thing, right? It was TI. It was Jeasy. And then it was Gucci Man. When it comes to like, just the trap music, I guess, dysography or history, I mean, even though all of them overlap, but, you know, I'm talking about as far as who was first, who was second, who was third in order. Gucci Man definitely had a run, bro. And, like, what people don't realize about Gucci Man, a lot of the new ATL is because

of Gucci Man. Like, Gucci Man. How so? I've heard that, I've heard that this week a lot. Because he signed him, he had Domingo's early. He had 21 Savage early. He had Young Thug early. You know, when you go back and you look at what he did with Brick Squad with Wakaflokke and

OJ. the Juice, man. You know, even Gucci standing next to French Montana and Nikki Minaj, all of the of that helped them in a lot of ways. Like Gucci really is a great A&R. I would say he's probably the best A&R in the streets. Like if you just look at what Atlanta is right now and you look at the artists that are prospering in Atlanta, they all came through Gucci in some way, shape, or form.

Like, I was reading Gucci's book and I was like, wow. Like Gucci actually had the Migos and, you know, P was his best friend. Right, right, right, right. He let the Migos go with P. Doug, same thing with Doug. He was locked up, so he couldn't do nothing for none of these people. You know what I mean? So being that he was locked up,

you're like, yo, thug, go do your thing with Warner or whoever thug signed to. So Gucci gets a lot of credit for that. And you said 17 to 13, 3, you're forgetting shit like freaky girl? That's one of the three. You're forgetting shit like lemonade.

That's two. You're forgetting shit like shirt off. My shirt off, my shirt off, my shirt off, my shirt off. I don't know if that it could be beat. Those are, the first two records, you know, I take that back. I mean, all of these can be beat. Freaky girl, I don't think freaky girl.

I don't think Jesus got nothing for freaky girl. Really? Super freak I'm going freaking girl I hate super fucking I hate that song with a passion But I do think Lemonade is a round For Gucci if he plays it

In response to something Yeah yeah If he leads with lemonade Lemonade could get Lemonade could get the fuck out of it And shirt off could definitely get put out of here If it goes hard Wasted, wasted might be a guaranteed round

I'll give you wasted Wasted, wasted Wasted, wasted Wasted I tell you another classic he got first day out. I'm starting off my day with a blunt of purr. No pancakes, just a cup of syrup. Now what if Gizi responds with Soul Survivor?

I'm giving that the first day out. So what if he goes Soul Survivor to the Jamaican remix? What's the Jamaican remix? You never heard the Soul Survivor Reggae remix? I don't like, budu-tibu-dibu-dibu-dibu-du-by, bud-a-bud-bu-a-mo-a-oh. I definitely don't like that shit. I don't like that shit. You're really a gentrifier.

That's the craziest part. Gucci, I think I love her. I think I love her. That's around. You don't love me. That's a round. It's 15-5. I can hear 15-5.

Bitch, I'm geeked up. Yeah, I might be. You like that? I might be. That shit is hard. See, I came up in that era. Like, I was in the clubs then. Go ahead by Gucci, man, making love to the money.

I'm a dog. So Steph from, well, formerly of Ball Alert, she's been saying she's been on this kick for like a week. Step in on this kick for a week talking about how Gizi went off in the club I mean how Gucci went off in the clubs And I'm like well obviously I was 15 16 So I wasn't in the clubs

But in the streets We was hearing Jeezy I know niggas in Jersey They really love Gucci Like I never understood that I know niggas in Jersey Really really love Gucci I know niggits from Atlanta

I really love Gucci But if we're talking about record for record Gizi's going to put out Like what is Niggers are got The snow cone on Gucci Man's face is going to melt when the horns from Go Crazy hit. Listen, I'm not debating that.

I'm telling you, Gizi is one of my top seven favorite artists of all time. I'm just telling you it's a sneaky, sneaky battle because Gucci got 20 bangers. Like, if Gucci comes with an, I'm a hood rich nigga, I ain't never had shit. I really ain't shit. Like, Gucci got joints. So I'm just saying it's not, and I'm going to tell you the sleeper, man. And it's really about Gizi's temperament. Gucci could win this whole battle.

by starting off with the truth. If he starts off with the truth, the internet is going to lose its fucking mind. You might not even pay attention to the other 19 songs because you're going to be sitting there like the audacity of this nigga to play the goddamn truth in cheesy's face wherever they're at. And if I'm the DJ for Gucci, man, if I'm the DJ for Gucci and I'm Gucci

and I'm really trying to get in Jeezy head I'm like yo play to um play to uh the drop no don't do don't play the drop just keep bringing that back every few songs don't play the drop

please don't play the drop this is a war it's versus listen but it's not supposed listen I'm praying that Swizz and Timbo I know they're gonna hear please be smart enough

not to have these niggas in the same room like there's no way you're definitely in the same venue okay now tell me this now tell me this as real niggas how do you explain

Like how does Gizi explain that to his homeboy's people? You explain it by saying it's growth, the same shit that people got mad at Meek Mill at this week. And by the way, I understood what Meek was coming from. Same. That's positively brilliant. And I understood, I think it was brilliant, but I understand what the brothers in Philly was coming from too,

just because I've been in both mindsets. You know what I'm saying? Meek is a multimillionaire now who's got a lot of businesses and his mind is in a different place. But Meek has also been that gutter. a motherfucker. Just like, we all have been that gutter motherfucker at one point.

So you understand the laws of the street. Like, like a minister's society. He smoked your cousin right in front of you and you ain't going to do nothing, but that's what it is. So it's like, yo, somebody gets smoked that you know a partner of yours. You want to go get that revenge. You want to get that retaliation. But what Meeks said is true.

Let's put them bodies behind us because guess what? Somebody got to break the cycle, mouse. If you don't break the cycle, the shit just keeps going over and over and over and over. Yeah, but so you like the, so you like the people, you got, and I think this is the ugly, this is the ugly part of it. This is the ugly part of it. It can't be the people that did it to break it. It got to be lines down. It can't be it.

It got to be Gucci's son and Jeezy son. It got to be Gucci's, like, why don't be, because you're the nigga that bodied my man. And I'm going to tell you what's different about this from me. But, but, but hold it real quick. Yes. That's, that's the story. but it was also self-defense. We know.

So both of them were wrong. Right. Like, like, like, yo, yeah, both of them were wrong. That's the cause and that's the effect. Both of them wrong. I get it, but I can't, me personally. So the difference between the meek situation and this is meek is saying this to put everybody. Like this is a mass migration almost.

This is like, yo, this could get everybody to win. This situation with Gucci and Jesus. is a very self-serving one. I don't think so. Who benefits from y'all sitting in a room other than Jeezy? I think black men, yo. Hell no. Yeah, it's because it's showing that we can get past anything.

Like, it comes to a certain point where you get- Not with Gucci posting the shit, he's posted, no. He's entertaining. You're making entertainment for my dead friend? I'm not, I'm with you. I'm not playing like that, but you got to, I'm just putting myself in Gucci shoes. And I'm thinking about when I interviewed Gucci last year

And I asked Gucci, you know what I mean? You should probably not do no more Gucci interview. Yeah, shut up. But I asked Gucci about the situation with him, you know, you know, whatever the self-defense situation was, he didn't have no remorse. You shouldn't. He was like, yo, he came at me.

He tried to. You shouldn't. It was either me or him. He tried to take my life or whatever it was. He tried to rob me, whatever it was. But now you're making jokes in that man face. And if I'm a real nigga, my man, that's wild.

If that's my man that died like that, my man is tattered on my skin. What I'm about to say is, like, I don't play with nobody that's tattered on. I'm with you. You get what I'm saying? So I don't understand that part. Like, that part is the part that bugs me out. The meek situation I thought was super positively brilliant. I was like, this, I respect this.

Because no matter what meek is saying, meke is saying overall, this is something with everybody in the hook and when I'm trying to really save my hood, this situation seems extremely self-serving because it comes in the middle of an album rollout. Let's talk about that. This is the middle of an album rollout. Well, this actually was supposed to happen since the summer. Like when Versus first

started, um, and you know, I remember they initially asked them, but this is still all self-served. This serves cheesy. This is not yo, everybody. We come, because that's not how Gucci is calling this nigga little snow cone. He's putting memes from Twitter up. Like, no. No, no, no, no, sir.

I mean, listen, Gizi, it was supposed to be, you know, Gizi was going to do Tia. And the Gigi came on at breakfast club and Gizi said, you know, he asked Gucci, but, you know, Gucci respectfully declined. You know, it's been a lot of conversations behind the scenes, you know what I mean, salute to peace, salute to Larry Jackson and Apple. Like, you know, there's been a lot of different moving parts. But for whatever reason, these brothers decided to get on the same page, I don't have a problem with it. I think they're not on the same page. That's what I'm telling you. And Gizi is going to be at a disadvantage.

for that reason. They're not on the same page. What do you mean when you did that? Because Gizi is on this. I think Gizi believes what he's pushing right now. Gizi believed that he is this new person. He is. Clearly he is.

And Gucci, man, is going to prove to you you're not. Because it's just... I don't believe that. I don't believe that, man. I will hope so because Gucci is going to... Gucci is going to play with this nigger in a way that niggas should not be... play with.

Listen, speaking with Jay Jeezey Jenkins, you guys see. Gucci is entertaining. GZ's entertaining. I really wish that after this is over, they sit down and have a conversation on probably Jeezies podcast, the Recession podcast on the Black Effect

Eye Heart Radio Network. That would be nice. But I think it's good for the game. I think it's good for the coach. I think it's good to see two brothers, you know, because we keep talking about what Gucci did to Jeezy's man, but it's not like,

Hezzi didn't kind of order that. I mean, whether he did it directly or indirectly, on-stage scrapped, he was like, I got $10,000 with somebody who bring me Gucci Man's chain. You know what I'm saying? And that's the influence of music. All I know is that my man is dead. Yes. That's all I know.

And Gucci's in the room with somebody who ordered a hit on him. You know what I mean? Technically, allegedly, he ordered the delivery of a chain. He didn't say I wanted him dead. I want a delivery of the chain. I got $10,000. He said it on stage grab. I got $10,000 of anybody who bring me so icy chain.

Yes. That's so. Very dangerous. That shows you why words are powerful. Yo, imagine a rapper doing that right now, right now in this climate. When the pandemic been all year, my motherfuckers-outers-out-hast-old-hubes-hug-hug-hug-hug-hug-hug-hubes. Do that shit right now and watch what happened. I don't know right now.

People will be at your door. But listen, I think Gizi should win. And I think it's good for the coach. It doesn't think so. Myr thinks it's self-serving. I think it's good for the coach. I think it is self-serving. But I do think, I mean, you know me.

I ain't shit. So I love shit like this. I said yesterday, I said yesterday, I was like, I hope that they're not in the same room. But if they are, yes. I think it's going to be very entertaining. And I think it's going to serve both of them very well if they keep it to the music. I think it's going to show people how amazing GZ's catalog is, and it's going to show people how great Gucci Man's ear has been over the years.

You know what I mean? Because I think a lot of people really have slept on Gucci. I think everybody got a favorite Gucci Man records. You may not have realized it was Gucci Man, especially if you was in the club at a certain period of time down south. I also think this is going to show the gentrifies and hipsters. This is going to expose them. I think that's something that's being missed.

Because Gucci Man culturally is probably a little short. stronger of an entity than Gizi is because Gucci like GZ had that first run in the hood with the snowman shirt and all that but Gucci Man's been on Supreme they got Gucci ads so like there's a bunch of white kids right now

that like wear Gucci Man shirts probably never heard a Gucci Man song and Gucci's been on shit like fumble the bag with the Migos you know I mean black Beatles with race murmured so there's going to be a song what's his name? What did I say? Nah I just want

Ray Shremert Black, Black Beatles race rumored. Gucci's on that record. I don't even know what the fuck I'm saying. It sounded like, it sounded inaudible. That's what it really sounded like. But Gucci on that? Yeah, Gucci's, so like, I think there's going to be a lot of records that are played that a lot of these kids that claim to be Gucci Man fans never heard.

Like, first day I was going to hit and these kids are going to be like, what's that? Oh, man, this is new. I salute guys like Gucci. The reason I salute guys like Gucci is because I really do love how he invested in other people. You know what I'm saying? I respect it. I've just never been. I've always told people.

I love, I said it to you. I like my rappers to be able to rap. And I think at the time Gucci Man and Gizi came out, it was still very New York centric. And boys be snapping. Gucci and Gizi be rapping their ass off. See, here you go lying.

All right. Nope. Now about it. I see what's happening. You're not going to set me up this time. All right. Listen, I'm a reach, these are Gucci Man lyrics that never had shit, right? And everybody should go Google this song right now because he's probably going to hear it tonight during the battle and you're going to love it after you hear it.

Gucci said, I ain't never had shit, nigger, that's the truth. Rich kids in the school used to draw my shoes. Name stayed on the board for checks and chalk in detention because the teachers say that we can't talk. Counselor ragging in my mama got that. I just walked. I wish I had a nickel for every fight. I fought stealing candy out the store like I can't get caught just a little bad black boy it ain't my fault after school snacks surfing four pieces of bread granddaddy why your eyes

so goddamn red got a real soft ass in a hard ass head better mind your fucking manners boy that's what he said. I'm goochie be snapping, nigga. I'm a rich nigga. I ain't never had shit. I really ain't shit. You wouldn't read those lyrics and think if you never hear the song, you wouldn't read those lyrics like that.

Like if you heard the song first, if you would read the song first, if you would. You like, no, I hate what. You're rapping it the way he rap. Like, not, like, but once again, it speaks that. What I will say, that speaks to, that speaks to some people that grew up like that. I didn't grow up like that. And I wasn't hearing that throughout the hood. I was hearing Jada kiss.

At that time, Jada kiss styles, they was all over everything. Bad, G-Unit, Banks was spitting over everything. So at those times, with those competing, and I was definitely going with where I was from. Uchee Man, a bar a lot of them niggas you just named. No, no, he won't. No, he won't. Don't, no, stop playing.

Yeah, what's wrong with you? Uchi man would bar a lot of them niggas you just named up, bro. All right, let me run it off. So he'll bar Jada kiss. Nah, he ain't going to bar Jada kiss. It depends on the record, though. Depend on the record. No, no, no, don't try to fix it.

Because Kiss, kids like to jump on a lot of down south joints. And kiss blacks. Um, 20-plus years, no, I lie. Almost 30 years, not one bad verse. I think Gucci might have watched Jada on a record before. OJ. the Juice Man definitely got the best of Jada on the record. On, on Who's Fony? Kiss Blacked on him.

No, no, no, not that when it was, um. Wasn't it A remix? No, it was who's phony? Who's fake? Those are the type of people I hate. That's on the last kiss album. And Kissed blacked on him. I, OJ eight on that.

Get the, yo. So you just said Gucci Man, a bar Jada kiss. That's crazy. Nah, that's not happening. Now, that's what you said. You said that. Nah, six, stand on it. Kiss, kiss got it.

Kiss got it. Okay. Stiles P. No, of course, not. Bad. Lloyd Banks. She might ball Lloyd Banks up. Niggas is only saying this because Lloyd Banks don't be outside.

That's why he's talking crazy. I don't know. I just like pissing off New Yorkers. This is crazy. You're really a gentrifier. Like, you're really a gentrify when you think about it. You're a gentrifier. Explain.

You came in. You immersed yourself in our culture. I'm a down south guy. I've been living in New York for past 10 years. I love New York. A lot of my family is from Jersey. I've been coming to Jersey forever. You know, so it only makes sense that I live here in Jersey now.

Like, I'm a, my first cousins and uncles and I'm. right here in Jersey. First of all, the level of disrespect you just showed Lloyd Banks is absolutely insane. I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you didn't show no levels of disrespect like you did to Lloyd Banks and Jada kids. The fact that you even thought about it with Jada. I was, I was fucking around with Jada. Jada's one of the best ever do it. I think Lloyd is dope too, but, um, I can definitely quote more Gucci Man versus

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Listen, this is good. We should care about this next week. New York descent mental health experts, the 911 calls. I actually should have put that in politics. positively brilliant because that was positively brilliant. Yeah, we've been screaming that forever. Like, you know, like, stop sending fucking police officers with guns to go deal with mental health cases because they're not ready for that.

You know what I'm saying? It's not in their job description. Nah. And the easiest thing to do is, wow, take somebody out. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not even realizing that this person is dealing with bipolar, you know, anger management issues, whatever it is. This dude might be schizophrenic. He might, he's not in his right mind.

So you got to send him. You know what that's called? What's that called? Defunding the police. Defunding the police. Look, police, we have not abolished them. We are simply saying,

okay, let's spend some of this money that goes to them collecting their call-of-duty weapons. Let's put it over here so we can ensure that at least the people that are called for mental health crisis can ensure that they make it.

Because we already have a hard enough time. We don't know if the person called for actual crime is going to make it. So let's just, let's assure that the people that's called 911 for mental health crisis, let's ensure that they get home. Yeah, I wouldn't even call it to fund the police. I'd call it refund the community because it's our tax dollars anyway.

You know what I'm saying? My problem is, I was having this conversation with my dad a few weeks ago because I think it was right. I think it was like the day after the election. I can't think of a guy's name. And I feel like, he's the Democratic, South Carolina representative. I can't think of his name. Let me Harrison.

Oh, Jim Clyburn. Clyburn. It's my OG. Yeah. So Jim Clyburn was on TV and he was talking about changing the wording of it to make people feel good. And I said, that's bullshit. Right? Like, that's bullshit.

Why should we like? Now, he's right. I disagree. The reason I disagree is because the people whose job it is that you're bringing in front of, their job is to understand context. Their job is to understand the larger picture here. So if the people whose job is to understand it is. understanding it, and to make things better for the community, if you're getting hung up on words, I have a problem with that. Because when you hear defund the police, let's defund the police.

There's a lot of funding. Let's defund some of that and put it elsewhere. He shouldn't have to change the wording up to get this across to the people whose job it is to protect the community. Well, when people take your wording and then they change the narrative and shift the narrative and it goes from the funding the police meaning taking money, you know, from police departments to reinvest in the community, but then they change it to oh, they want to abolish the police, oh, they want to get rid of police, oh, they don't want any police. Once that happens,

the only thing you should really stay on is the actual substance of the messaging. When Republicans change the narrative and they take away, you know, the messaging, like your messaging is why you should defend the police. You should always just stick to the why. Now, that's the problem I be having with a lot of the OGs, the centrist, Democrats, they get on TV and they're so hung up on the wording,

like defund the police or pack the courts or whatever it is, instead of just explaining the why to people. Exactly. On the why. And if we have people in front that are scared to do that, for years we have shown you why that doesn't work. Why that doesn't work? Why doing things this way?

Why? While we've shown you why repackaging shit to adhere to people that are inherently racist in the first place, We've shown you why it doesn't work. So it's time to get new people in there that are going to stand on that and push for what's right. Yes. Well, you have that, right? You have the progressive Democrats who do that.

You know what I'm saying? Like your AOCs and things. AOC. Ayanna Presley, Representative Omar, you know, I think Hakeem, Jervis. I wouldn't necessarily call them progressive, but you need to turn. Like, you have these people who are standing on that. The problem is you got the centrist's Democrat who shit on them. And it's like, don't shit on them.

Just constantly explain the why. Like when somebody like OG Jim Clyburn gets on TV and he's just trying to explain messaging to people because what Jim Clyburn said was true. He was like the messaging may not be good for politics. Now, I think that's debatable because when you look at, I think Joe Biden got like 98% of young people to come out and vote for him. All of them believe in defunding the police.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to sit here and throw that out and say, nah, I don't say defund the police. But I do think Democrats need to be better at messaging. period. Their messaging sucks. They're not reading the room. They're not reading the room. They're not reading the room. They're not reading the room. They're messaging sucks. That's why I don't even like some of the language they're resorting

back to now. It's like even now they back to acting like Donald Trump was normal. Making me wonder like, damn, did they get us again? Yes. Yes, they did. I thought he was a fascist. Nope. Guy that had us on the verge of dictatorship. The democracy was about to die. But now it's like, Those guys on other side are not our enemies. You know, that's what Joe Biden said. Those guys on the other side are not our enemy.

Yes, the fuck they are. You know what it is? Based off what I saw the past four years. This, this record that came out in 1996, politics as usual. Absolutely. Politics as fucking usual. Yeah, I'm reading Barack Obama's book right now,

Promise Land. And he talks about that in the book. He talks about the struggle of actually wanting to create real change, like actually wanting to go out there in the community, like everything that we're discussing right now, all these things that seem so simple,

but then realizing you gotta play politics. And I think that's the problem. I think I want somebody, that's what'll get me back into it. That is what will get me to believe in somebody to vote again because I want somebody that's not going to play politics.

When Clyburn said, it's bad for politics, I agree with that and that's what I love. I think we need something that is bad for politics. because politics has not politics has not worked for us, for our people.

Politics have not worked out. I haven't worked out for us. Yeah, but you can't even get in power if you don't play the right politics, sadly. You know what I'm saying? Like if you don't play the right politics and appeal to the right people, because this shit is all about...

Look at the last four years. What do you mean? He did not play, he did not play the proper politics and he won. Yeah, he definitely didn't. So it can work. Yeah, he definitely didn't. Yeah, I think it could work.

It could work, but you have to have somebody on our side that is not afraid to do that. You need Bullworth? You need Bullworth? You ever seen Bullworth? Yeah. You got to watch for you. You need a Bullworth.

You need somebody like that. You need somebody with that level of honesty, that level of sincerity, that type of connection to the hood, that type of connection to the black community to go out there and speak truth to power in a real way. They say, fuck the lobbyists, fuck the corporations that's donating money.

I'm really going to do what's right for the people. But then they're going to kill you, just like they did more work. The truth. All right, what did you think about hit make on drink champs, mouse? Uh, hashtag make Robin Berg great again. Who's Robin Berg? Robbuck.

Robbbing youngberg great. Like, that's what I think. Like, I don't like, yo, I don't like, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. What, what Drake used to say? Drake said, um, men, niggas talk more than bitches these days. Like, I don't like when they, like, why are you talking about? women in this way like

like I don't know you met that's corny talking about a woman you slept with or had issues with from 15, 20 years ago that's corny 12 years ago have a long like that's corny what happened?

I was going to say my line I know I say I'm going to beas but I was going to say about you mouths that's correct because he said in that interview that he he's like I usually know I don't kiss and tell about blah, but he's doing all the telling on the interview.

He said it. Kissing and the telling. Like, it was bad. Like, you did love hip hop already. You don't got to do that no more. Yeah, I don't, I don't believe in kissing and telling. But I mean, listen, let's be honest, it is his story to tell. It's like it's her story to tell.

But if she didn't tell it, you shouldn't tell it. Exactly. Who says? Cuth. Cuth. You know who? He was doing that because of Ray J. Listen, if Bert, I tell you this, if this was two.

2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, when niggas was smacking his chain off, he wouldn't have said it then. You wouldn't have said it then. Well, he's hitmaker now. He got his, he's kicked up about here. I want somebody to make hitting him great again. Ah, we don't want to violence.

Pete. Yo, what happens to all the white people? No Andrew Shultz? Every since Shawlman started this Black Effect podcast, there's no white people to be found. I got black, blacks, black, Andrew, Andrew is, he's cooking up something right now, man. Nice.

Just like you be cooking up stuff. Pete is actually cooking up things to cook with. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. You know, been working on it for a while. So, you know, I'm excited to finally announce it tonight. But a year ago, today, which is Wednesday, well, I don't know when this drops. When is this dropped? Thursday.

Tomorrow, yeah. Okay, well, yesterday, November. November 18th, my grandmother passed away. You know, she lived to 98. So it was the first person I ever really lost in my family, family, you know, just all the memories, all the history. So I wanted to celebrate her. And I've been working on this pasta sauce that she made for a year.

And a lot of times, man, you know how things go. I'm so busy with other things. I didn't want to do it. And then I was like, maybe I'd do it. And, yeah, man. So finally, just take the generational family restaurant. and, you know, just kind of give it to the world. So, you know, that's been the slogan, like, from my family to yours, you know.

Is your family mad at you for giving up that secret sauce? Well, the crazy thing is, you know, it's funny. The crazy thing is I have a video of her. She didn't like giving out her recipes. But she told me that I should always do something. Like, you know, for years, I want to do something with my family. They always cook, you know, always, like, do things. And, you know, I always felt that we could have made a great restaurant,

but I didn't have the time or the funds back. then to really do it, you know what I mean? So I wanted to at least to try to do something. You know, I've always been to, been into food. So, you know, and you know that's one thing about Italians. They can tell. Yeah. They got to tell the secrets.

Yeah, for sure. I don't know why that felt shady. Why that felt shady just now? What do you mean? I don't, I think mouse was, I think mouse was alluding to something else just now. No, no, I'm not taking it like that from him. Okay, okay. Where's the bottle?

He just wants me to wear it. Italian dureg. That's what he wants. Peaks pasta sauce. Oh, that's dope. Who's that on the bottle? So check this out. So up here, I'll say a 100-year-old family recipe. Wow. My grandfather from Italy, he's the one, you know, a lot of men used to cook.

Like, don't get twisted. I listen, the queens are special, and my mother and I love. There's so many great women that we need to uplift more. But Italian men, back in the day, were very good cooks. They still are today. But meaning my grandfather, father's recipe, then he passed it to my grandmother.

My grandmother then passed it to my mother and my aunt. And, yeah, so I wanted to change it. Like, you know, I didn't want to name it Premium Pete's pasta sauce. I didn't want a 90-year-old woman in the shop right, you know, like, who the hell's premium Pete? You know, keep in mind, there's Routs, there's Tony's, there's Mike's. So now there's Pete's, right? And yeah, man, I just want to, I never put out of all these years of doing things.

I never, like, I used to have people all over the world come out to me and tell me, like, you know, how can I support? I watch a show or I watch shows with Reg and combat and I've done this or I bought sneak deck, but they never, you know, I never really put out anything besides very little things that someone could support me, you know? I'm inspired. Like, think about it. Like, with your book, right?

Like, you're on the radio, doing podcasts a few years, but people watch you, you know, show you love, tell you, like, I appreciate it. Thanks for inspiring us. But, you know, until the book, they couldn't really get a tangible item from Charlemagne. You know what I mean? So I wanted to just commemorate and make something different, man. You know, just do something different.

No, you know, it's so crazy, my book gave me confidence to do that. You know, it's not like, I don't want to ask nobody for nothing. You know, it's two things that gave me the confidence to do that. My book, and when them dudes tried to jump me in front of the radio station

and punched me in the back of the head and I sold, can I get a drop T-shirts and made a quick 10,000 off that real fast? I was like, oh, shit, people actually would purchase something for me. So those two things definitely gave me confidence to be like, okay, I can get my DJ Cala Diddy on and sell some things to folks.

I see it in person, too, Shaw, man. I've seen you in Philadelphia, New York, lines, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people just coming up to you, looking for you to sign their book, and just thank you for inspiring them, particularly even like, you know, and this is a beautiful thing, like younger and older, black and, you know, men and women. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's important. Like, you know, it's important to do that. It's important for people to see that, you know what I mean? So for sure. And I think it's- See what you're doing there, Pete. Telling to the black community. I like that because, you know,

black people eat a lot of spaghetti. I thought that I was in clear that I didn't have a dickhead named Andrew Schultz on this. Hey, Pete, there's a meme out that says young black kids have eaten more spaghetti than Italians. So I like your mom. I like your marketing plan. I did not, let me see that. Send me that meeting. I'm going to send it to you. I was like, I was, I was, I started to post it other day, but I was like, is this true? Because we ate a lot of spaghetti when we was young, bro. It's true. Well, let's keep in mind, right? When we think about Spanish families, when we think about Italian families, we think about black families, right? Growing up, I remember there was a point in time. I didn't know this. My father was working three jobs. I never seen him. There was a point in my time when my family was struggling. We were eating pasta every day.

I thought it was normal because we're Italian. My mother would make pasta with a little this, a pasta with a meat, so the pasta with this, kind of like Spanish. Like rice with this, rice with that. You don't realize that they were broke or that they were struggling until you get older. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why we eating pasta every night, you know, can't eat anything else. So, you know, spaghetti, rice, those type of things, you know, are affordable.

Yeah, yeah, they're monumental and iconic and, you know, and something quick and something easy. And I want to, like I said, I wanted to make something where people could be home and, you know, make a chicken palm, make a big ziti, make a lasagna, make just spaghetti with sauce and change you. Because I already have been in the food world for a long time. You know, this is what's crazy. And I tell people whoever's listening and are watching, springboarder for what you do, right? You don't only have to be one thing. People tell you stay in your lane, you go create more lanes.

That's how I always say. You know, even like this, look, it's hot sauce. Now you're jumping into the Black, Black, listen, I respect it. Hold on. So this hot sauce right here, Nikki Diamonds, my friend, you're familiar with Diamond Supply and Nikki Diamonds? I'm up here. Yeah, Nikki Diamond, yeah.

Yeah, I called me a year ago and was like, yo, I want to do a hot sauce, me and Rob Kardashian, you know, me and Chum Lee, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, this is why I tell people. Keep your relationships and add value. And I literally have a friend out in Louisiana. He's an award-winning chef. and we delivered this bottle to them.

That's dope. This is another company that I'm a partner of, you know? Who's that on the cover? So this is one of the founders, Chumlee's, his grandmother, she's the one who, like, you know, used to, like, make spices and all that type of stuff. So we used her, you know, in the inspiration of it. So it was his inspiration. It's so dope because I'm thinking about Pete, right?

I'm just thinking about the Pete I've known over the years. The two things that would make sense for you to get into is sneakers and something in the food industry. Like, it just makes too much sense. Yeah, I mean, listen, anybody, nothing's wrong with a tea. I mean, you know, but a tea seems like it's just so easy to put out these days. To make your own pasta sauce, like, yo, there's loving it. Like, like, let me explain something to you.

I'm going to put out pitches, but like there's like a message, the nutrition facts and the logo. But the point I'm trying to make is like, yo, my mother, my aunt, my father, my sister. Like, yo, we bonded together for hours, like seven hours one day, seven hours another day to make this. I mean, it's a lot of time, you know what I mean, to put love into something like that. We're not like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not like a big corporation just putting it out. It's like a family affair. So how do we get this shit, Pete?

So I'm dropping. Damn, oh, shit. You was dropping. You dropping. No, I almost dropped the, it's only one cup. So it's not double cup. But Pete's premium pasta sauce.com. By the time this comes out, it'll be available.

So, again, it's Pete's, like P-E-T-E-T-E-S, premium. me imposter sauce.com. So, you know, and it'll be in my, it'll be in my bio. I'm going to share it. I got our good brother, Killer Mike. I showed him very early on. He was very happy. He actually gave it to the good young brother from Atlanta, Newface.

I had him the label. This is why I love about Killamike. I gave him the label. Because he, you know, let me show it. I showed him the label and the jar. And he's like, yo, can I get that label? And I was like, yeah, like, here. He's like, all right, I want to give it to Newface to keep in,

like for a museum, like, you know what I mean? Like, and I didn't ask him that, but I like the way he thinks, like, let me document this. Not that meaning, like, I'm just another piece of the puzzle, but meaning, let me just document this. Any stores that's going to be in? Yeah, yeah. So 2021 will be in, you know, stores I'm working on getting a Target and Whole Foods and Kroger's and Publix, which has one of the best fried chickens out there. Oh, you're really leaning into this black thing.

Yo, I'm leaning, yo. Oh, you're really leaning into this black thing and I like it, Pete. No, Mouse, why are you the black Andrew Shultz for it? No, that's the thing. Like, I'm thinking like, no Andrew Shultz, like, I'm going to come on and Sean Mane could be real with me. Because, you know, Schultz will have me talking about some finger-banging thing in 10th grade. Like, you know.

I'm not taking it there. I'm not taking it there. I just say I'm acknowledging that you're leaning into the black community and I appreciate it. I mean, listen, whoever buys it, You know, um, don't do it. Don't do it. I'm ordering some, too, but don't Michael Jordan. Don't say Republicans by a pasta source.

Well, I'm, actually, you know what? Can we speak about that real quick? The first time, I only voted two times in my life. For Trump and who else? This actually is the first time I voted since I was a kid. Really? Yeah, it's the first time. So maybe, maybe I gave Biden an extra vote.

Like, you know, how people talk about my vote don't matter. because there's so many votes, you know? I didn't know because years ago I had gotten trouble and I was just told you couldn't vote. So I had no idea all these years. You know, people tell you you can't vote and you can't vote, which as a society is terrible because the American dream is fixing yourself, right? You know what I mean?

Think about it, right? Getting in trouble and turning your life around and making yourself a productive member of something, right? Whatever, how horny that is. None of us would be here if it wasn't for that type of redemption, by the way. Exactly. And then, and then, you know, and then I didn't find out to like a couple of months ago, like, yo, you can actually vote. So I signed up.

They sent the ballot in and I voted, you know, he's like Trump and who else. Not for Biden, man. Who's the first person you voted for? It had to be maybe early on. It had to be maybe 1994 maybe. So Clinton. Maybe Clinton. Shout to Clinton, man.

We don't give him enough respect for Taiton. and, you know, dipping his cigars. You know, back then I was dipping cigars in dust. This guy was dipping in cigars. And, you know, I mean, listen. This is crazy. This is crazy. Well, Pete, give him the website again, man.

Listen, thank you for the opportunity to push new product. I'm going to get you on breakfast club next week, too. Okay, I appreciate that. It's Pete's premium pasta sauce.com. And listen, man, you know, it's a passion project. And, you know, I'm thankful that I, can commemorate my grandmother who meant so much to me and really just give a recipe, you know, just give a recipe to the world that was made with love and, you know,

that represented something. So, you know. Word. Pete. Thank you, my brother. Appreciate you. Mouse, man. Stay busy, man. But don't be Andrew. Be the mouse, man. I'm proud. I'm proud. All I did was acknowledge your acknowledgement of the black community. That is something Andrew Shost definitely would not do. I mean, listen, I eat shrimp curry just as much as I eat Linguini and clams. I don't know. That's actually racist.

I don't know. You probably didn't want to. I mean, my family is Trinidad. My family's from West Indy and my son's effort. I mean, I'm just telling you how, what I'm surrounded by. You are walking into Maga country by yourself. Y'all just making me hungry. It's the next.

Listen, thanks, y'all, man. Peace, Mouse. Peace, King. All right. Pete. Mouse, I want to ask you about one more thing before we get up out here. Little Wayne facing 10 years in prison. That's some shit that you're going to care about next week or not.

Nope, he better ask that. He better ask that cop that saved him back then. He better ask Trump for help. All the people he turned his back on, he'd be asked the people for help. I feel sorry for Wayne in this situation, only because, you know, I don't like to see no brothers go to jail,

you know what I mean? But it's like, just because you, and listen, I don't even think Wayne has a political view. I think, like I said before, I just think he got paid. You know what I mean, 50 cents was on a breakfast club this week and 50 cents said he got offered, I think a half a million dollars.

You know what I'm saying? By the Trump administration. So he, and 50 said he's positive. Wayne probably got paid. Listen, I've seen politicians throw money around. I've had people on the left off of me, you know, money to do certain things. Shit, it's not like the Trump administration wasn't trying to get at me. I'm just smart enough not to take the call.

You know what I'm saying? You call me, talk about Jared Kushner would like to talk to you. What the fuck do I got to talk to Jared Kushner about? You know what I mean? Nothing. Nothing. discuss. And I, it was, Jared Christian would like to talk to you about the platinum plan. No, thank you. I'm cool. I'm perfectly okay. So I hope I, I hope Wayne don't end up in jail,

man. And I don't think that, you know, even if he, even if that was his political view, his political view, or even his opinions on BLM shouldn't land him in jail. Like, I'm not going to wish prison on him. His opinions on BLM didn't land him in jail. Whatever he got caught doing, absolutely. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, But people are hoping he goes to prison because of those comments is whacked to me. Yeah, I don't think you should ever hope it, but I'm definitely not, you know, I definitely understand anybody who's going to not be standing on the front lines. Just don't give a fuck.

Yeah. Don't give a fuck. I don't think there's going to be no free Wayne shirts this time. It'll be a few, but I get what you're saying. But it doesn't say, just shrug your shoulders to it. Instead of wishing bad upon somebody, just be like, oh, okay. That's it. You know, my only issue with that is it removes the accountability.

doesn't he going to jail? But still, people can, if you choose to, people can celebrate that. People can celebrate your downfall the same way they were upset with you with the thing you did. But when you say accountability, you're saying he should be held accountable, I guess, for taking a picture with Trump, you should be held accountable for his comments on BLM. But what's the consequence for that other than us not agreeing with him and saying, oh, he's buggy. You're not receiving the black community support. But if there's people that feel like he does, then we don't know it.

It's got to be, though, right? We see a bunch of black people who are against BLM. Usually they're on the right. But, you know, it's not like he's speaking of foreign language. I think his comments were ignorant as fuck. You know what I mean? But I'm not going to wish bad on the man just because I don't agree with his comments. I'm the same way.

Like, that's none of my business. I'm not listening to Wayne. He's saying. So it's none of my business. But like I said, for the people who are having a moment, the people who are like, yo, how you like that? you know because when you make a stand like that you're basically saying F how anybody else feels

so now people are doing that when something bad happens to you yeah so when it happens to you you like I don't give a fuck exactly and by the way which is fine not giving a fuck is perfectly okay some people give a fuck in a bad way and you know you got to deal with that that's the that's the platform you stood up on Mouse I appreciate you brother

give me your Twitters and all that stuff like that make sure you follow me at Mouse Jones on Twitter and Instagram, make sure every Monday and Thursday y'all are tuned into the guys next door podcast featuring myself, Mac Wilde, and Fly Rye. And that's it. I want you to do a spinoff for that podcast so bad, man. What's up? I think you should get Trave.

Taylor, you should get Trave and a couple of Traves homies and call it the guys we fuck next door podcast. All right. Let me get out of there, man. What you mean? That'd be dope. Go easy. I want every. everybody at home to understand.

Like, this is somebody I refer to as, like, I'll just check, like, and this is what he do. Like, he played all day, so, like, he played with my life. Like, this is crazy. I thought he was really like, you know what I mean?

Because everybody got the black effect, greeting call. Everybody got the black effect invite except for guys next door. So, yeah. The damn lie. We didn't get no invite. Mouse, you,

I hit you over the summer. I say, yo, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a text for you. Hold on. It wasn't, hold on. Hold on, King. Hold on.

Hold on. I'm going to scroll back. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me scroll back. Okay, that's September.

I was talking spicy. See? Go to crazy. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Where is it? I don't know if I called you or text.

You called me. We was on the phone. I called you? Yeah, me and you was on the phone. Okay, it was a phone called. I do remember saying you, yo, what you're doing with the podcast? What other podcast you're working on? I told you.

I said, I'm working on something. And I haven't heard anything, but there's been That rollout boy, that black effect Taylor's getting money out here with that black effect rollout. Well, listen, we're in that network. We're not going nowhere. I like how that sounds. You mean?

So you act like we're not adding to the roster all the time. They're saying nobody's not doing the guys next door, door. Should we do it, Taylor, or should we do the spinoff? I like the spin-off. Spinoff. All right. First of all, what y'all not going to do is act like y'all. First of all, we're not going to do this pocket.

Act like y'all are making me more tolerant. So let's not do that. Let's not do that. See what's not going to happen is that right there. But I see what's going on. You know what I mean? Shout out to everybody on the black effect. You know, one day, you know, hopefully, you know, guys next door or be next door.

Guys next door. No, no, no, no, no. We're going to make that happen. But I don't, I hit you, though. I don't act like I didn't. I hit you. I'm like, oh, so it's good. Like, what you thinking?

That didn't happen. It didn't happen that way. That's a lie, mouse. What did I say, then? I'm going to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you what happened. I'm not going to say the confines of this conversation, but we was talking. And what happened was, as me and you were talking, you're like, you kept bringing up that, you know, and in a weak mouse you're going to see when this, when this network. It was before that.

Look, look, I'm about to tell you what happened. And you said, you said, oh, yeah. I guess it was like the eighth time you mentioned it. you like, yeah, and I got something for you too. And I was like, okay. I told you this back in the summer. I hit you, I hit Ivy. I was like, what are y'all doing?

You're right, you're right, you're right. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. You did hit me about that. Yeah, I was just trying to say, I'm trying to put together. I was trying to put together a play for my folks. Yeah, I forgot. You're right. In that instance, you're right.

But I didn't know guys next door was available. But now that I know. We've been free agents. We out here. We got to get it because then we can. can do the spinoff. You got to do the spinoff with Trave. That shit'll be hard.

Literally. Mad blue-choo sponsorship. Mad blue-chew sponsorship. You don't understand, Matt. Trave funny, too, bro. I met Travis. No. But he got, you know, he could spit for you.

Yes, he's rap. Trave is a homie from Philly. I'm serious. Who's proudly gay, which I respect. And I like Trave a lot. And I think, I think it's something there with Trave. We waited this whole podcast to get to the end to try and make me look bad. No, I'm just saying if they got girls we fucked, right?

And y'all got guys next door combined the two names with Trav. Guys, we fucked next door. It's a market for that. Right on your horizons, mouse. Here it goes again. Spread. Spread your horizons, mouse. All right.

Okay. The girls know. the girls know where my heart is. The girls with the W, they understand. They refer to me openly as an ally. So you're not going to do this to me right now. We know who got your heart, but who getting your farts? That's what you.

So if you heard this podcast and think he's absolutely an idiot. Listen, I'm going to do some asking an idiot mouse. I'm going to hit you up later, bro. All right. I'll be safe. Peace, King. All right. Let's do some asking idiots, Taylor, so I can get the fuck apart here.

Okay. I am Felix wants to know when's the next book and what's the subject matter? When's the next book and what's the subject matter? I got, I mean, I already know what my next book is about. I know what the subject matter is about as well. But I'm focused on the black privilege book in print through Shimon and Shuster right now. So I'm focused on making sure to me. Mallory, state of emergency, making sure that that, that gets what it needs, you know.

And the other titles that we coming out with on the book and print is making sure they get what they need. So, I don't know, maybe 2022. I'm not, I'm not in no rush, you know, but I definitely got a concept. Me and my man Chris, Chris Moreau even throwing a concept around. And, I mean, I know exactly what it is I want to talk about, but it's just going to take a little bit more research on my part because it's not just about me and my experiences. It's about, you know, other people and in their experiences. So it's just going to take some time to put that

together the way I wanted to. But yes, third book is definitely on the way. Writing is very therapeutic for me, man. And I really do love, I love being in that reading space, man. I love I love having a book in print. I love having to deal with Kevin Hart for Audible because, you know, We're not just doing original programming on Audible, original audio scripted programming. We're actually going to be taking some of our favorite book titles and having some of your favorite, you know, celebrities and influencers read them. Because I think that people aren't opposed to reading. I just think people will consume information differently. Like I'm reading Barack Obama's book right now.

It's 700 pages. I'm doing something that I've never done before, which is I read a few chapters at the time. the house and then when I get in the car, I go to the next chapter via audio. You know what I mean? So I started reading the book paperwise and then I got in the car this morning. I'm like, why don't I just listen to it? I started at the chapter that I ended with last night and I'm just listening, zoning out. So I think people, you know, are still into literary content.

They just consume it a different way. So yeah, we're going to be having people read our favorite books through Audible and then through the Black Privilege book imprint. You know, I'm just going to be supporting my people, working for. my people and helping them get their, get their voices out. So, you know, please pre-order Tamika Mallory's book right now, state of emergency. It's available for pre-order. Wherever you purchase books, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble's via Black Privileged Shimon and Shoes. Okay. Her Wakefield wants to know, is it better to look for the positive in every

situation or trust that every situation is a part of the higher plan? That is a phenomenal question. I think it's best to understand that every situation is part of a higher plan. But I mean, if you approach life, the way you should approach life, which is just constantly putting forth that positive energy, then you're always going to be in a positive space.

I just think it's about staying in that positive space when things don't go your way. That's why I think it's best to look at it as part of the plan. So it's got to be a combination of the two, right? I wake up every day, my intention. My intention is positivity. I pray. I go read my daily affirmation. I meditate for a little bit. I take a shower. When I'm driving in the work, like I said, I'm either listening to a podcast or I'm listening to some music. Like I'm setting my intention. Like I want to set my

mind state to be happy. Like that's my focus, right? That's my energy. So when things don't go my way, you know, I don't look at it as having a bad day. I don't look at it having a good day either. I just look at it as part of a process. I actually got this quote. Quote is, um, oh, what's his name? Um, let me. Hold on. I can't, whatever his name is.

This is, this is for you. Oh, it was Herb Wakefield. This is for you. Nothing can happen without God's permission. And God will not allow a difficulty unless he has a divine purpose for it. If you will keep your peace, you'll pass the test. And God will bring you out better than you were. before. That's my mindset. So I think it's a combination of both those things you talked about,

but I would lean into the second one a little bit more. What else, Taylor? Um, Dom D. Prospero. He wants to know what's something you realize you can live without during this quarantine. Honestly, I just think being mixing. No, I'm a cancer, so I'm a natural home body anyway. Um, but the way I'm building my. next house designing my next house. I'm designing that motherfucker like I ain't leaving. It's just the truth to the matter because I like being at home. Like there's there's there's no place like home.

And I've never even understood what that meant fully until this pandemic. Like there's no reason to be super mixedy. There's no reason to be on a flight all the time, you know, going to different places. Like even though I've set up a lot of my professional business, like I'm, I'm doing things to where I don't have to move around like that. You know what I'm saying? It's not that I'm not hustling. It's not that I'm hustling any less harder.

I'm just hustling a whole lot smarter. Because a lot of times we just think, you know, I remember back in the day you thought, oh, not getting no sleep was hustling. Being on the scene everywhere is hustling. Like, that's really a whole bunch of nothing. You know, so for me, I just think it's about, you know, not being in the mix so much.

Like, I don't care to be in the mix like that. You know? I like being around my circle and building. building with my circle and like, like, that's it. I don't have to be. And I never was, I never was in the mix like that before. You're more established too, because I think people that want to be still mixy, they like attention.

There's no offense to anyone, but I'm just saying I think people that like to be, like they have to be like where everyone's at. I think they like attention and they, they're missing something at home. Yeah. And you, and by the way, you're doing all that for no reason because none of that shit is putting no money in your pocket. None of that shit is helping, helping further your life. None of that shit's helping further your career. You're just doing that shit for likes and retweets to look like you actually popping and doing something. Like, I've never really been

on that, but I definitely know I don't need that at all. Like, I'm, I'm cool. I don't, I'm good. I'm so good on that. Let's do one more. I'm going to get the fuck out of y'all. Make it a good one, Taylor, gang. Six, Brandon knows should you surround yourself with love or surround yourself with solitude. I mean, I hate to not answer your question. I think you should surround yourself with trust. I think, I think, I think trust is, I think trust is the highest, highest compliment of love.

Because I think you can love people, but not trust them. Like, we all got family members that we made, we made love because that's our family, but we don't trust them, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got crackhead cousins. But what's love, though, then? Trust. I think I think, I think,

but you can't trust them. So what is that love then mean? No, I think love is the highest compliment of trust. You know what I'm saying? Like, hold on. It's this quote I like. Let me see if I can find it.

Yes, the best proof of love is trust. You know what I'm saying? So to me, like, so I guess love, you know what I mean? But you got to ask yourself,

what is love? Like there's a lot of different things that go with love. Like I think love and trust go hand in hand. Like I said, you can love somebody but not trust them. I like trust. And I like trust with my wife. I like trust with my friends.

I like trust with my family. If you're my people and you with me all the time and I'm working with you all the time and we got a real professional relationship, it's got to be about trust for me. Trust knows that I know you ain't going to lie to me. I know you ain't going to cheat me. I know you're not going to steal from me. You know what I'm saying?

I know that you, you know, are the same person in my face that you are behind my back. I know that you're going to, you know, hold me down when I'm not around to hold myself down. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a, like, I think about that when it comes to people.

Like, if somebody's talking to me about somebody or if I hear something negative about one of my people, I'm going to stick up for that person because I want that same type of trust. Like, I think trust is what you should look to surround yourself with. So I can't say just love, because I feel like, you know, like the quote says, you know, the best proof of love is trust.

So I want to be surrounded by trust. Who said that quote? I don't know. Shit, I don't know. I don't say. Give it to Will Smith. You give him every other quote. Put Will Smith.

Just post that and then put dash Will Smith. They'll believe it. But I do. I really feel like that, though. the best proof of love is trust. There's another good quote, whether it's friendship or relationship, all bonds are built on trust.

Without it, you have nothing. Like, love without trust is nothing. Like, that shit don't mean shit. It's like, I love them, but I don't trust them. Like, no, I want to be able to trust you. That's what, that's what you surround yourself.

Huh? That's a whole other thing. I was like, there's just level of trust too, though, but that's a whole other situation. I get what you're saying. I mean, I can see that. But I just feel like you should, That's what you should look to surround yourself with.

Trust. You want to be able to trust you. You need a trust circle. Love is cool, but like the highest proof of, the best proof of love is absolutely trust. Okay. All right, gang, we did it. Andrew will be back next week.

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