The Brilliant Idiots - The Carmichael Podcast (w/ Jerrod Carmichael)

Episode Date: March 10, 2016

Andrew Schulz and Charlamagne Tha God sit with Jerrod Carmichael and discuss challenging people through comedy, offensive jokes, dealing with a social media world, why is Jerrod a TransOldHead and more!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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semicolon or colon slash is too much And then you had to just put in WWW Yeah And I remember Judging somebody in college

I remember it was my freshman year of college And this girl put in HTTP And I scoffed I was like Fuck you do put in HTTP Enough with giving area codes to websites I come from the dial-up error

Yeah I remember having to say that Where the internet may sound Why the fuck is it's making sound. I genuinely believe I'm at this cutoff point because we first had aOL and I really think I'm at this cutoff point of the last generation to like not take the internet too serious. Okay. Because I look at the internet as a as a place you go to, not a thing that's, I'm aware of its existence in everyday life and obviously it's very important, but it's like I look at the internet as

you go to the internet. I dialed into the internet. You say, whatever in a chat room and you leave. Yeah. It's like a destination. It's a destination. And like I have like little cousins and stuff who like it was getting bullied or picked on or whatever on on whatever site. And I remember thinking like oh that doesn't count. And he's like what do you mean?

Like these are my class. I was like yeah but it's the internet man. I was like it doesn't count. It's like ignore it. It's not a real place. It's too easy to from the comfort of your bedroom. You can say whatever to anybody. You've never been teased in the classroom. You've never been teased on a bus. Never been teased on a basketball court. Shut the fuck up.

It doesn't count. Yeah, but that's the difference now is you don't leave. You don't leave now. So it's always, it is always in your pocket. It's always. You're getting updates. You're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you go to the gym maybe for an hour, you leave. But that's why I have to, I make this conscious choice to visit the internet. You know, like to visit outside of the necessity of maps and that type of thing, like the necessity, but like social media. I have to go to it. So you don't have apps on your phone? You go. I do now because I have publicists who yell at me.

I didn't up until like I never had like the Twitter app. It was like people, somebody, I remember laughing at me not too long ago, but like I sent a tweet via text. Yeah. Somebody was like, wait, I'm sorry, did you text Twitter? Like I was like, yeah, because I don't want, I don't need. I forgot about that. You could do that. It was a number.

Yeah, it was a number. And I sent a tweet via text and people like it had said. and they're like, okay, relax, like, they have an app. But I don't, I don't need a, I don't need a million opinions. I keep thinking I'm going to delete my apps because I don't need the constantly reminder that I'm a fuck boy. I don't need, I don't need, I don't need. You're bleaching, Charlemagne.

You bleaching, I'm a cool and I'm off the time. Wait, what are people saying? People are just saying everything, like crazy stuff about you. Like, it's, it's too, it's. Let me introduce the guy who's talking like, like he's on your show every week. Well, let's right. I love the innocence.

Can we just acknowledge the innocence. They just said, wait, what are people saying? to you? People say mean things on this internet? Yeah, yeah, what are they saying? It's crazy. Like a concerned uncle. Like, what are we going to do? On this internet.

Our guest is a guy that I'm a big fan of. I love his show. It comes on NBC. It's called The Car Michael show. Season 2 starts, well, sneak peak was Wednesday, but it actually starts this Sunday officially. Gerard Car Michael is here, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Gerard Car Michael. Thanks for having you guys. On a very funny network sitcom. That is not. easy to do. I just need to point that out. Let the record show me and Andrew Shultz are still to individuals who respect network sitcoms, okay?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. We respect it. We still have a respect for it. I'll say, I'll even say, I respect the potential of what they can be. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We've seen them at their best. You know, I think we've seen, you know, we have

these classic examples, first prince, Martin and all these things that are, that we've seen like when it works it works and like you know uh just because it hadn't lived up to that but it's like the same thing in music it's like if you criticize the genre of music it's because you've seen the best that you know what it can be yeah so yeah we're just trying to how do you balance that though you're 28 yeah so what you've seen the best in reruns are you grew up on some of the yeah i mean i mean starting just growing up watching old uh vhs of things that my family taped

and I mean, you know, then... A VHS is a form of... Yeah, exactly. It was the... It was YouTube. It was a hard copy of YouTube. You used to be able to hold YouTube in your hand.

A whole hard copy of YouTube is what we call it. That's exactly what it was. And you scour a VHS. We would inject and put in another thing and you had to put tape over the thing if you needed to tape over it. I have archive, like everything. Like, I used to be a big, like, wrestling fan, right?

I never, I don't really watch anymore. But when I was a kid, I was watching, like, I got the WWE Network thing on Apple TV just to, I was like, oh, so I can throw away literally like 600. I was like, 600. But I used to, I would watch things on there. I would, you know, Nick at Night and all those types of things. And, I mean, I would go to the Paley Center and just kind of, you know,

I'm just a, if you're going to do something, you, I want to, I want to know what it is. I'm going to figure it out. I mean, that's the bar. No, no, I'm saying you sit like when I first moved to LA. I would go to the Paley Center and it was free. Tell him where you from, bro. Tell him what you from.

Carolina, man. Carolina, Carolina, yeah, via Charlotton called each other and both threw each other. You ignored him. He ignored me, which, rightfully so, because it's just like, all right, random number at all. And I forgot, I hadn't saved his name at that point when you called back and I just saw South Carolina. So you just got digits. And I got nervous.

And I just called it. Like a side bitch. And he called me and I'm looking. I'm like, I'm not answering this call. Somebody wanted some money from the Carolina. Exactly. Pete Pablo again. Yeah.

Yeah. Every unknown Carolina number I told you it was like cost to be $2,000. But I mean, every time I'm in. It's a cousin. Somebody's always, yeah. It's always cancer, unfortunately. Even when, even if the line in there, it's always cancer. You know you made it when all your relatives get sick.

when everybody's got, everybody's got some weird form of cancer that $2,000 could really do the truth. Because bills don't do it no more, man. You heard what Kanye said on real friends. Please don't hit me with that bill shit. We all got them. Because everybody got them who ain't children. That bill shit don't work anymore, man.

But you know what? I will, I will, I have no problem helping somebody who I clearly see helping himself. And somebody who I feel like in the long run. I'll probably To be truthful To be truthful I would probably

I'll probably I've offered before they could ask To people who You know when you see it I mean You see it Yeah Yeah yeah What you mean what you mean

Offer before they ask Well no I'm saying like if I see someone Someone calls you No if I see like you know Because I'm always aware You know of like You know the family members Who in the situations

And before like the ones That I really know are hardworking and really go. I'll send money before but usually to the people that wouldn't ask me. True. Exactly.

Now that is so factual. That can backfire. Yeah. Because you can be like, listen, I sent you, you know, five grand.

You look like times are tough and they're like, no, times are okay. I'll wait until I hear a really specific stories. Like really specific. I'm like,

all right, it really is cancer? I'm healthy. I don't know what you're talking. You're looking at a little cancer. You're looking at a little cancer. You need to like everything. All right?

All right, all right. Reasons not fucked up for nothing. But it's never from me. I always put it on another family. It's like, it's always from. You don't even take credit for it. No, no, no, no, no, I want that credit. You know I want that credit?

You know I want that credit? Because at some point in time, you're going to be a fuck boy to some member of your family. And you need to be able to pull out the car. That's why you don't got cancer no more. Yeah, was I a fuck boy when I gave me this kill for cancer and cash? Huh? What's what I'm talking about?

Yeah, but the car and Michael will show the reason I like the Carl Michael Show, because like you said, the sitcoms that we grew up on on a bar. And it's only a few sitcoms to me nowadays that are hitting that bar. I mean, I'm not going to say the bar because those are legendary shows we talk about. Name them. I love Blackish. Okay. I think Blackish is so goddamn more point.

Oh, my God. Especially the last issue that dealt with police brutality. Yeah. Amazing. And I like shows like Blackish and the Carlin Show, the six episodes I saw. Y'all deal with social issues in a comedic way. I don't like just that fucking laugh, laugh, joke, just to be funny. Big Bang Theory.

My wife loves that shit I mean even I think even like To a certain extent Chuck Lori is mastered a formula and a really good In a good way that's fun And people really like it

I mean I've watched Chuck Lori is a writer Yeah a big bang And he did to an affman And mom and all those things Who fuck is Chuck Willery? Chuck Lurie Chuck Lurie

Chuck Woolery is the host Love Connection I believe so Also, I learned about him from, what's the show with Martin and Kid and Play? House Marty? No. Martin and Kidden for Class Act? And he kept thinking, they were in their wax museum.

He kept thinking, is that Chuck Woolery? The guy, okay. It's a reference. When I hear that name, I think of that class act first and then him as a host. But, yeah. But Chuck Laurie created all these shows, and he's really, like, mastered a thing for himself. but I like things that exist in the real world, you know,

like things that like treat the audience like they're adults. Like the gender episode was fantastic. Yeah. That he did an episode where, well, I let you explain. Sure, sure.

I mean, it's a kid that identified as a girl who's a kid that I was mentoring on the show and he identified as a girl. And it's always about the discussion for me as it is in my real life where it's like, well, let's talk about how we feel about it

and attack, topic from all angles and we had a discussion and and and that's where the fun is. That's where the, you know, finding out, well, how does, how do you feel and being really honest about misunderstanding and what you know about it and what you don't know about it? And, yeah, we, we did that episode. Yeah, it was good. It's interesting. I like, you know, teachers have been like playing it like professors and stuff.

Is it difficult? You said it's important to be honest, right? and come at this topic from all angles, something we try to do here, like we try to have honest opinions. Yeah. Is it difficult to do that with a topic that that's that, I don't know, I guess controversial.

Devisive on network. Is there a lot of pushback when you, when someone says, when you might want to have a character say, I don't get it. I don't get that you think you're a girl. I mean, you're looking like, I don't, I'm not on notes calls.

Right, right. The world of existence. I don't, exist in creative fear. So I don't take notes calls. But explain notes calls for the people who don't want to do that. I mean, it's basically where we'll call and go, you know, well, we got our concerns. I really don't.

Like, it's like everything for me comes. It's never a creative thing. It's like legally can, oh, can we say the things that we're saying? Then it's not a question. If you're telling me if, if, if you're saying legally I can't say this thing, that's one thing. Yeah. You know, like for whatever. Yeah.

Lettigious reason. But offending somebody you're not worried about. No. No. But the network, I mean, you must have a lot of control over the direction of the show because a lot of times networks will come in. I mean, you've even experienced that. We've experienced that, you know, even MTV and even other places. I had a script on an IFC where there's some things that the network came in.

They said, hey, you know, I don't think we can. I don't accept that. Then I make it. I'm like, well, can you get legal and tell me why we can't? I would also rather not do the show than not do the show that I want to do. That's so real. And that's why I just walk away. I like shows that are unapologetically themselves.

You've never had them say you can't do something. I want to do the Bill Cosby episode we're doing is the season premiere episode. That comes on Sunday, right? That comes on Sunday, yeah, the 9 o'clock Sunday show is Bill Cosby. Even people are like, you know, other writers were like, yeah, we'll never get to do. do this type of that. And I know there wasn't a time when I thought we wouldn't. Like there wasn't a period where I was just like, well, we won't be able to do. I was like, yeah, of course, we'll do. Of course. Because why not? Like, once again, it's, and it can't, and it was legal. I was like,

legally, can we say everything that we said, then there is no problem. I don't, you can't accept creative, like, because people's creative fear, they project executives and every, because everyone's just trying to maintain a position. Everyone's trying to keep a job. And playing it safe, man. And playing it safe. You can't, here's the thing, what, what you, their fear will tank everybody. Absolutely. Their fear will sink the entire show.

Yes. So I won't, here's the thing, you can do that to yourself and you can do it on every other show, but I'll, you just, you just can't. Can't do it on now. Yeah, you just can't. So how do you negotiate the, because here's a perfect example, Uncommon Sense, the last season, Charlemagne show. Yeah.

The premiere episode, he wanted to burn a Confederate flag on TV. legally I couldn't do it because of the fire ordinance in the building But you could have burned it outside I don't know But that wasn't the issue show I mean it wasn't legal At first it was legal It was like you can't burn the flag inside the building

Because it's a fire ordinance I'm like cool Alright well can I shred the flag You know? And they was like yeah So we did it Yeah We shredded the flag

They said that One of the higher ups was like We have to be cognizant of the people who will find this offensive. Why? Let them be offended. Exactly. And this is how I would feel about the Bill Cosby thing.

Two things. If somebody was like, you can't do that, it's Bill Cosby. But he raped women. That's when I would pull that after that. If there's one person that doesn't, there's one person that should accept not taking no for an answer. Yeah, exactly. Also, here's the thing.

And like, once again, I mean, it's executives, I don't think, recognize how much fear is even, is hurting them. Yeah. So with culture and we're talking about the internet, we're talking about social media, it's the illusion of protest is really frightening people. So it's an illusion that trending and being the hashtag that everyone's using anti-a-thing.

You get a couple of ass you think it's 3,000 people outside protesting. Yeah, and it's, but it's not. Interesting. But it is not affecting numbers at all. At all. It's not affecting numbers, but it's that fear and it's that fear of protest that, like, that makes them go, we have to be aware.

Here's the thing. Also, you have to think about how, I mean, the term hate watch, right? You know, you hear that in culture from time to time somebody may say something like, you know, I don't like the car. I hate watch this show. I hate watch the Kardashians. What Nielsen doesn't record is your hatred. What Nielsen records is your viewership. I tell me all the time, if you don't like loving hip-hop, if you don't like the Kardashians, don't watch it. Here's the thing. Most people who watch these shows would say, oh, I hate it. hate it. They all hate, if all

in the family were on now, it would all be, it would be 100% hate watching. It would never happen. There's hate fucking, you still come. Exactly. You know what I mean? Never have you hate fucking not come. It's the same result. Sometimes you can get enjoyment from something that you think you dislike.

Or from hating. Like even when we go, matter of fact, when we hate on our friends, my friend trips or my friend wears a silly shirt or silly sneakers, I'm hating on him, but having the time of my fucking life hating on him. Well, because we know here's the thing. The secret is that we like things that challenge us. Rather we'd admit to it or not, otherwise life is boring and what's the point? You know, when you, especially existing in our world, especially comedians where, you know, you're around people that challenge you constantly. Yeah. The people in your world, I mean, you think about if you, if you weren't in entertainment, your friends would be different. Your friends would more fit this mold. A lot of, a lot of the country around, like, we are, we are. We are. philosophers in our own

right of, you know, just constantly around other thinkers, people that may disagree, but you can still coexist. That's a level of maturity, though, to be around people who disagree with you and can still have great conversations. I mean, like, our lives should look like Abraham Lincoln's cabinet.

You know, it should be balanced and it shouldn't be all the same note. Otherwise, what are you creating? Like, there is no challenge. And people enjoy a challenge. Even if they say that they don't, people, that's why I hate watching all these things because you want to challenge. Otherwise, you're watching things that don't make you think. Dude, that's why that's why I sometimes I'll watch, you know,

like a very liberal perspective on news and be bored and be more interested watching like O'Reilly or something like that. Fox News is a thousand percent more entertaining. Because, yeah, because it challenges me. It's like, okay, maybe I don't agree with that perspective, but let me see what he's thinking. Let me see what he's going to. And it tests my own belief system. I won't say that CNN is getting good. And the reason CNN is great. And the reason they're great is because they're mixing it. Yeah. They have conservatives and liberals on the same panel. So it's dialogue, it's debate.

It's people telling people shut the fuck up. They're doing what Fox News has been doing for 15 years. Fox has a lot of the same views. They have tons of liberal people on it. It probably is selling out the brand a little bit too much. It shouldn't be in every feature film the rights to use the logo. But that's another argument. That's me being a producer for a couple minutes.

My thing is too, I don't care. executives is fair number one and the fact that they think people care more than they do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Well, here's the thing. So you think about, and it all ties into we were talking about the internet and things like that. Think about the ease in which, like, just from your phone, like, I could, we have the ability to disagree and reach however many followers you have to disagree with a thing from the comfort of right here. There was a time when married with children was on the air during Barry Dillers Fox years and you had to go to protest.

You had to show up. The parents' counsel when you think about their creation, right, and it was the one woman her name escapes me that kind of started it. You had to physically write a letter, so you had to care because I don't know if you tried to hand write a letter recently, but it is exhausting. No spell check. You've got to spell your word. If I weren't already a writer, I don't think I would be handwriting a thing. They don't teach cursive in school anymore. Ink on your shirt.

If you're a lefty, forget about it. Destroy my sweater. For a lefty to write a letter. A lefty writing a letter. Oh my God, I'm left-handed. I'm left-handed. Just dragging across a page. So you had to write a letter.

Then you had to organize people. And not tweet out, meet me here. You had to call and even just the physical effort was more demanding. Not like your music. have to go buy the CD, stand outside the radio station, open it up, crush it with your feet. Oh, exactly. You have to go physically burn. Now, anything, the bachelor results trend.

Yeah. You know what I mean? The whatever, everything trends, you know, and it goes away. If you look even notable deaths, you know, like, it goes away. And then it just kind of disappears. And it's like, you know, you're not tracking. There's still, the only way to track what people really care about is still, there is. there isn't a so, like you can get a light gauge and see what, what's catching people's

attention in the immediate sense. But the thing, you know, the things that people really care about, like, it's still the same way you gauged it when Mark Twain released his first book. It's the same way you gauge it when you release your show. It's the same thing. It's personal. And it's a thing that you don't really know. You only know by how long it stays in the conversation.

It's the law of 10. Like, I used to have a boss with my man Cadillac Jack, my guy, great mentor of mine. He would always say the law of 10. Three people are going to like it. Three people are not going to like it. And four people are just going to be out there. They're just going to be on the fence about it. Like, hey, whatever.

Yeah. Either way. Or some of those four people might just wait for whatever the popular opinion is like, Oh, yeah, yeah. I like it too. No, I don't like it. Right. Think about it like this.

Think about it like, and thriller, biggest selling album of all time, 100 million copies. Let's say I'm rounding whatever, right? 100 million copies. There are 500 million people on Twitter, right? that means that 400 million people could have hated thriller

And the illusion would be that thriller was a failure You understand what I'm saying Like how the narrative The illusion could be that It's all the illusion It's all smoking mirrors You know, it's just like And there's nothing that

There's nothing everybody likes There's not one thing on the side That everybody likes There probably are 100 million people who hate thriller Think about it, you know what I mean? Like they're easily 100 million people More united in hate or celebration than ambivalence.

And the majority of the people are ambivalent. Yeah. Right? So 100 million people like it. 100 million people don't like it. 300 million actually don't give a fuck. That's the majority. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. Moonwalk, whatever. Yeah. 100 million bought it for the kids. Exactly. You know, like they don't.

Yeah. We don't even. We don't even let ourselves celebrate enough. Think about you know the best moments When something happens in sports Immediately on Twitter and those first initial reactions Just a wow That was amazing, that was great

Connor McGregor getting knocked out or getting tapped out But you give them about three minutes We're going to find a reason that Okay, let's give us three minutes We also live in a culture that can pause and rewind And analyze a thing like we're scientists You know like just like looking at some Like I mean if you look at half the YouTube comments

are very surface Look at his shirt You know what I mean Like half of them are just like Just like very surface This person's bored in the background Yeah Yeah because you're able to just look at a thing

And just analyze what You're not even supposed to be focusing on You don't acknowledge just ASC in my hand Are this motherfucking hundred million dollars I'm fucking a time But that's why the only way to be above You've got to ignore it In a good way

And with that said There's also great things to happen You know there's a lot of love Can you really ignore it though Because my dude, a dude at Marvel, he was just up at Marvel. And one of the guys that Marvel said he don't even read the message boards. I indulge sometimes, like, on release, if a thing comes up, like, I'll indulge. And, like, we'll search and see, you know, just to get a, like a gate.

We all want a little clap. You want a little clap. And like I said, it is somewhat of a gate. Because people do express genuine love and they express genuine emotion. But you also, you got to let a thing exist for some. time and stuff like that. Nobody got time for that? Call Michael's show comes out tomorrow.

It's already trash. I haven't even seen it. Oh, yeah. Everybody's got your memes with the crying face on your body and shit. It's ready to go. They just cocked it right. I mean, it's like you can find a million ways to just attack anything, you know, anything. But it doesn't mean.

And you know what's crazy? The people, I would argue that a lot of people that join in don't even genuinely feel that that way. That's a fact. They genuinely don't feel that way. Those are the four people that were sitting back watching the other six. And they're like, three liked it. Three didn't like it.

You know what? I'm going to fuck with these guys over here. They're having more fun. Yeah, I don't like that shit. Give me a Michael Jordan face me. It's not a real emotion. No. You want to be a part of group when you were with your friends and, you know.

You're making fun of sneakers, dude. You're making fun of sneakers. I might think your sneakers are okay. Yeah. If everybody's making fun of them, I'm going to make fun of the fucking sneakers. The swing vote. Because I'm the swing. I'm Ohio.

Yeah, you're Ohio. And Ohio is always laughed the hardest. Ohio's running down the street. Throwing hands up there. You're absolutely fucking right. Listen, we was having a discussion about misinformation on social media because that's the other problem. The other problem is that I feel like people shouldn't have,

you're not entitled to an opinion. You're entitled to an informed opinion. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's not a lot of informed opinions now. But I disagree with him. Schultz thinks that anybody,

should be able to express their opinion. No, no. And the reason I say that, well, yes, one, but the reason I say that is in order to get an informed opinion, sometimes you need someone to disagree with you.

Yeah. So everybody thinks they're right because they've only been exposed to what they've been exposed to. If you ask a penguin, if the whole world is ice, he's going to say, yeah, that's what the world's made out of.

Yeah. If you take that penguin to California, he's going to be like, oh, shit, there is something else. Yeah. But what that takes, I guess, I don't know if this is the middle or what,

but I agree that Everyone has a right to be heard. All I ask is that you be thoughtful in it. And that it comes from a... We're talking about the trending. If you rush to get your opinion out, if you asked me the day... Let's pick a Kanye album because the 808s and heartbreak came out.

You asked me the day that came out, Kanye, my response, my tweets would have read, Kanye has lost it. He's on something. He's on this insane kick. We'll never get him back. His mom died. He's not the same anymore.

He lost it. I would have been so dismissive. If you asked me a month later, after coming across it at someone's house and then again in someone's car and feeling a genuine emotional connection to some, a genuine real connection to some of that music,

I would have said it's one of the most amazing. My opinion changed, but how often do you see those tweets? You're absolutely right. Hey, remember all the time. Nobody ever wants to say, hey, I was wrong. Yeah. So that's, when does anybody ever switch that out?

So just be thoughtful. See, I also think that. I also, see, here's the thing. I don't think you necessarily have to take time, but I think that you should be allowed to, quote unquote, flip-flop. We act like flip-flopping is bad to me. I think that that's a sign of intelligence. If you get new information and you change your opinion based on information,

you're a smart person. But the way, you also want to, you want to minimal, like, Because I always joke with my friends that you shouldn't. I don't trust people who have too many epiphanies. It's like you shouldn't. I'm always like, I'm always like, you shouldn't have like. Explain that, though, because that's hilarious.

Because there are some people that just like every other day. You know a thing I've learned? I'm like, you know what I've learned about myself? I'm like, all right, this is happening way too often. Like, just take some time. Don't you know you? Don't you know? Like, yeah.

You've been you forever. Like at the max, being realistic, you should have a fewer year. Not a week. Like real, but like a week. You should always grow and evolve. Some people every time they check Instagram have. Yeah. I don't like that.

No, I don't think it's nothing wrong with having epiphanies. Just don't have life-changing epiphanys all of God-dain. No, no, it's all about changing your life. Because everything is more epic than it has to be epic. Everything has to be big. And grand, we're all P.T. barring them now. Yeah. And it's all the show and we're all doing these things.

And, but you shouldn't have. have too many of those things and a way to minimize even flip-flopping is pausing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, just take a moment. Take a beat. It doesn't have to be long, but just take a moment and consider. How about this?

You, I take it a step further. How about listen to Kanye's album? Yeah. Don't say it's trash and you ain't even heard it. I hate that. Yeah. That's my pet peeve it. Yeah. But did you hear it?

No, I don't like. Yeah. Yeah. But that's uninformed when they had a chance to be informed. I'm talking about somebody who has no, like somebody, let's say from Europe who's got no idea what it's like to be in America and what culture is like here and they're going off of whatever their news says. Yeah.

The same bigotry that we have maybe towards them when we look at Europeans, right? Yeah. So it's like you have, here an American talking about Europe and whatever, all they do is not shave their armpits and they smoke cigarettes and everybody's health care, this, that the other. So what I'm saying is if you don't have that information and you learn what you did in school and you think that you were taught the right thing in school, I don't think you're an idiot. I don't think you're even dumb. You just don't have the information someone else does.

And if you try to, the problem with the internet is you can really find what you want. Yeah. Well, you're only dumb if you didn't make the attempt to acquire information. Make the attempt to acquire information. But a lot of people, I've seen friends just not even make an attempt, you know, like hear a thing and just run with it. And you would think that with the internet, you would think that we would be beyond that now, right? Because I'm thinking about, you know, I guess us growing up, there were a lot of like of the rumors, right? I remember the Tommy Hill figure rumor, right?

Tommy Hill figure doesn't want. People still believe that. And people still believe it. People still believe that. You would think that now with the internet, stuff like that wouldn't happen where it's like, you'd be able to go like, well, give me facts or whatever. You would think that should have been left in the 90s. But people are just, people act like Google doesn't exist. But to your point about protesting, about how it's really the minority, I heard a lot of people protest Tommy Hilfiger.

Yeah. Nobody stopped wearing Tommy Hilfiger. Yeah. Or knockoff Tommy. Yeah, they were wearing. fake time. That's worse than what. It wasn't just

Hill figure it was Timberland. It was like, the tree on the Timberland represents the hanging tree. And it's just like, what angry uncle started these rumors? What angry uncle

that walked into a Macy's and couldn't get what he wanted? It was like, you know what? I don't want those timblins anyway. They're doing that now. They're doing that now with Bernie Sanders

with the quote that they got going around. How was the quote? Well, you know, on the Fox News, them debate this past Sunday, he made some comments. where he said that, you know, white people don't know what it is.

White people don't know what it feels like to be poor. White people don't know what it feels like to be poor. White people don't know what it feels like to live in together. That was a whole other quote based on the quote that they're sending around. The quote they're sending around is him quoting a young lady that was a part of the Black Lives Matter movement. And he said, you know, like the young lady came up to him and told him some things about the police and the black community. But I gave Bernie Dalkia today based off his comments that he said when he said white people don't know what it feels like to be. poor wife,

who don't know what it feels like to grow up in the ghetto. Yeah. But they're taking the other quote of him quoting the girl and saying,

this is what he actually said, Charlemagne, you're wrong. That's just misinformation. Okay, it is, it is misinformation. There are a bunch of frustrating things about this,

this situation now. One is, I think what he's trying to say, and maybe this is because I kind of support him that I'm just giving him the best case scenario, but I think what he's trying to say

is, as a white guy, you don't understand, understand what it's like to be poor and black because you not only deal with poverty, but you also deal with racism. Yeah. Where as a poor white person, you don't deal with racism, you deal with poverty. So maybe the poverty is the same, but the racism on top of the poverty might make that different.

Poverty and racial injustice is two different things to me. Okay. But this is my thing too. You're both comedians. Y'all don't make people laugh based off what you meant to say. Y'all make people laugh based off what you got on that stage and said. Understood. So you have every right to say.

to give him donkey the day for what he said. But if you know anything about Bernie, like if you come from an informed place, right, where you have information about him and his views and you know that this person isn't actually prejudice towards black people and try to say all black people's going to get him. But actually, well, you tried to say...

That comment is more offensive to the white people than it is black people. But we know nobody cares about poor white people. That's the news. That's not my fault. I'm not my fault. So give everybody donkey the day for not caring about poor white people.

You know my problem. I can give it Bernie to put donkey a day. Give us all donkey to that. I'm going to tell you my problem and I'm learning this. Poor white person. Boo who. I'm learning this slowly but surely. I'm a fair and balanced slanderer.

I give it to everybody and take shit for it. I don't, I'm objective. Yeah, but nobody wants to be disagree with. Like I always say, everybody wants to be understood. No one wants to understand. Yeah, don't understand people.

How dare you understand? When Charlemagne the God agrees with them? Oh my God. That's right. He's a prophet. When he disagrees, you're a coon. How dare you stick up for Chinese people? when DeMarcus cousins says that the monkey is fucking incensed.

You're black. Nobody else needs to have rights. How dare you say that? Bernie's wrong when he says it's no poor white people out here. How dare you? Well, also, I mean, listen, attacking you or attacking anything, I mean, it's also someone's moment to shine.

It's all a pat on their own back. You get a step on the soapbox. Dude, we were talking about this the other day. That's the reason why attacking. Trump doesn't mean anything anymore? It's because he's open about, or a better example. He's impervious. Well, because he's not denying anything.

It's like the eight-mile M&M shit. If I already say all these things about me and you say them, does anybody care? You can't get credit for pointing shit out about me. Yeah. You can get credit by pointing out Bernie saying something insensitive to black folks. Exactly. Because nobody's saying that.

But you're not going to get retweets by saying Trump is bad. Yeah. Well, I mean, also it sounds silly. I mean, honestly, the dangerous. And scary, depending on where you fall on the side of the coin, is we can't hurt Trump. Trump can only self-destruct. You got to hope. You know what I don't think he can self-destruct.

Like, I mean, at this point, the only thing that can hurt Trump is the fact that he's jumped out there. And a lot of people may not want to do business with him based off his beliefs. Or he may lose a lot of people that, black people with Mexicans now stay in Trump hotels or refuse to work for him. But that's about it. His wife's got to be related to Putin. That's the only way it's going to be stuck. Even still. You think that they would still not give a fuck?

I mean, I think that, you know, you rally a base, you know, strong enough. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what could do. You know what I mean? But I mean, Trump is just this interest. It's America looking itself in the mirror. He better get a motherfucking TV show on. Hold on.

It's a mirror looking itself in the mirror. It's America looking itself in the mirror. That's what I think the Trump. I think this whole run is America looking itself. It's definitely an amount. Donald Trump is, I'm sorry, not to cut you off, but you know like Captain Planet. You know, remember Captain Planet where, like, the children's cartoon where all the elements

combined to make Captain Planet, I think Donald Trump is like, you know, America's like, greed, selflessness, like all of them. When your powers combine, like, it's the result, it's the runoff of America. It's like, oh, but this is, this is, he is America. And he's the embodiment of all of the things, but it's like, everything that's wrong with America. Oh, every, yeah. Yeah. And or even everything that we can spend to being right with America.

Everything that we embrace, that's the weird thing because Trump grew up like... You're the greatest. We want to be great again. He is America. All the things we scream is we've yelled, we've created Donald Trump. I mean, even as a free thinker as an opinionated person, I love the fact that he says what the fuck is on his one. It's fun. Also, well, let's listen, as an entertainer.

Also, also as an entertainer. And refreshing, dude, I tweet when the other guys talk. I watch these debates and I'm with a second they ask someone else a question on my, my head is in my phone. And it sucks because here's the thing. I actually know a little about the system. I'm not saying I know the system perfectly, but I know a little bit about the system. So when, you know, KSik, who is giving his opinion on how he's going to fix the economy, I kind of understand it a little bit.

I understand budget cuts. I understand that he's had this experience, right? But I'm starting to realize people in America, a lot of people in America, they're not really familiar with how the system works. Yeah. And that's why when Trump goes, we're going to make a great again, that makes more sense than, well, we're going to release the deficit. They don't know what deficit.

They don't know just great. But great again works. I know what great means. I don't know what deficit. That only works when you don't think America's great. Like if you already think America's great, you're like, what the fuck is you talking about? If you're desperate, you don't think it's great.

I'll tell you what's interested to me about Trump, really? And it's a twisted thing. But it's knowing that he, it's like watching, what's the Olympian with no legs? Oh, posturius. It's like watching him. run a race. It's like, yeah, yeah,

the Cat Williams. Shout out to cat. And you, it's like, we know he doesn't have legs. And it's this curiosity of like, he's still running. Yeah.

And it's this kind of twisted curiosity to be like, I wonder how far he could get. Like, and it's a game. And we're playing with the fate of the free world, but it's kind of this interesting, like,

I'm not how far and get with no legs. It's really interesting. It's like, yes. And we watch them. It's the bachelor. We watch them have no legs. It's the bachelor.

It's the fuck. We're watching the bachelor. So what was George W. Bush? The same shit? Well, we've made, you know, politics, entertainment, and that's dangerous. Yeah. It's bled into it. Because what wins in entertainment?

Charisma. Comedy beats logic every time. Donald Trump blows every candidate that's running out of the water in charisma. Like, it's not even, you know what, but also he's been on television in a star road for, what, 25 years? He knows how to do this. He has, he has like, he has like Bob Hope amount of experience. He's got a grimace. He's got a secret.

Everybody else has to go through a crash course. Like, oh, so this is a lens. But everybody else basically has to be taught what a lens is. Donald Trump has a... He had a makeup artist before he entered the race. What's the thing about Trump and me, though? He got flow, but he don't got no lyrics.

This guy got bars. He's like future. He don't got no bars, but he really don't. But future's popping. But also, you should know more than anybody. People just want to dance, man. Exactly. They don't need the bar.

When you're in the club, you're not listening to what they say. Thank God the girls don't listen. That was that great Chris Rock joke. You know what I mean? Oh, if you heard the things, yeah, yeah. If you actually listen to the lyrics, they wouldn't let you dance on them. Like with Future, I hadn't, I haven't listened to a lot of future, but a friend of mine was telling me just how, like, kind of depressing, like, the lyrics are.

Like, like, it depends on certain songs I heard that are just like really. Yeah, but it's just like people are just dancing over some of the, like the heaviest things in the world. Man, the best feeling in the world. I want the SNL Saturday. Oh, you're at it. I want the SNL. Go fuck a Pete salute to Pete Davidson.

So I'm at S&L. When Future performed, the confused look on those white people's faces was so incredible. It was incredible. Chris Rock at the Oscars and he bought Stacy Dash. That's exactly what it was times 10. Chris Rock at the Oscars when he bought Stacy Dash out times 10.

Nobody in the audience knew what was going on. Yeah, because he was dressed like the Revenant. But they tried to look hot, right? To see his fucking outfit? But they tried to look. Because it was like, like, Bianca and her, and Ray V.B was in one section. Me and my wife was in another section. And it was literally like one other black guy at another section.

So us three are like, yeah. So you see the white people like, yeah. They're into it. Yeah. Woo. Filarious. This is something that we're kind of used to. It's like when you make a racial joke or a sexist joke in the audience and then you'll see anybody on a date looks at their girlfriend.

If their girlfriend laughs, then they left. My favorite part. Or the same thing with a race, with some. somebody like you make an Asian joke and there's an Asian person that's been highlighted in the show. There's like, are the Asian people like, okay. I would love to watch GoPro footage of S&L audience reactions to musical performances over the years. Because at certain times, I mean, we've all dealt with like, and I think that's with any genre. Like country or rap, like there have been times where I see JZO, S&L, and I'm like, I know this audience doesn't get it.

No, I know, but they don't show it for a reason. It was short for a reason because I know this audience isn't just going crazy for this new single. I'm black. I can't understand future. 75% of the time. So I know they didn't know what was. That's why the song's got longevity. You can't understand the words.

So they sound good. And then you understand them. You're like, all right, I'm over this shit. Yeah, yeah. It moves. All right, let's pay some bills, man. Okay. You want to take a pause from the show once again to tell you about Vicerland,

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Over and over. Literally, I'll spend an entire day listening to one song. Would it touched you? How to touch you? It's just the music. It's the sample that they live. loop and he flows well over it. But it's really, it's like, it just kind of reminds you of like just a really

classic, like hip hop like that. It's jazzy. What's the song? Terry. Terry. Terry. Oh, Terry. Like he's talking about a chick.

How important is it to know your history? Right. Because the one thing I like about you on the Carlincox show, you reference a lot of old school rap. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, how important is it to know your history? I mean, I think it's important to just know things.

You know what I mean? like we exist in the world and we talked about having information at our fingertips and it's just like you know I mean just like grown up you know from the hood of whatever unique you know that experience was when you you feel like so much of the world is hidden from you like I mean the best thing ever was me realizing oh yeah yeah all of this all of this is here for me as well and all of the knowledge and it's like you want to exist like be a be a citizen be a, you know. Yeah, that's my thing.

How hard is it to get information? Just read it. Accurate information. Like, you know what I would recommend to people? Just like, take an hour. Don't, I'm not even, not even the pretentious. And we'll start with war and peace. Like, start with just look up something on Wikipedia for an hour.

Explore literally anything that you don't know about. How about start with Judy Blumblooks? No. Stop trying to. Go get, go get it. Oh, you there, God. It's me, Margaret. Stop it.

He's really pushing this. Judy Bloom shit happened. Last week, I don't know what happened. He was like, yeah, when I was in college, just used to do Judy Bloom. And we were just like, what? That's I first started reading books, Judy Blume. Go ahead and get you some Beverly Clearly, Ramona Quimby. Okay.

Start slow. So here's the thing. How about this? Also, if you have a very strong opinion about something, Google the opposite. Yeah. Just make your opinion stronger. Find out what people are saying that have the opposite point of view. Polk holes in your own argument.

It's poke holes in your own argument. I mean, at school, we called it like a concession assertion. paper, right? Whereas, like, you concede to the other person's argument and then you find a way to, as standups, we got to do that. It's stand-ups, you go up there and it's like, I know people are going to disagree with this premise, so let me at least... As human beings, you have

to do that. No, human beings, you don't. You can surround yourselves with people that think exactly like you, but let's say, for example... That's the nature of socially, I mean, you, you, the birds of a feather, birds of a feather mentality where you, you know, socially, it's

very easy to, you recognize this in someone you connect. You never really disagree out of fear of losing that out of being considered an outsider. So you kind of train yourself not to disagree. And then you just kind of go about life. Like just agreeing.

But you know what the coolest animals are? The ones that shouldn't get along. You know those videos you watch where one animal is supposed to be the food or the other animal? Like a chicken and a lion. Like best friends. It's just like beat a chicken and lion.

You know what I mean? Get a fucking chicken in your life. Get a lion. always cut those videos off when the human cuts off the chicken's head and feeds it to the goddamn lion though. All right? That's the heck fact that they don't show you. We never said there weren't winners and losers.

But in the meantime, you could at least have a, you know, a fulfilling experience. What you said is very interesting because I'll be wondering in life all the time. If that's just the way life is supposed to be, are they're supposed to be winners and are they're supposed to be losers? Of course, people win and lose a lot.

You know what I'm saying? But what we're not to like You're like But when I mean When I say losers I mean some people that just Aren't supposed to make it period In life

Like the watch guy you see sitting under the tree Doing nothing with themselves Or the crack at it like I don't believe everyone I think everyone can have Destiny right now Yeah I think I don't think destiny Sorry to cut you off

But I think there will always be winners And losers in life But I don't think it's like you're born and your destiny is to be under the fucking tree. Yeah, yeah. I think it just so happens that that does occur in life. And there are things that you can do to change your destiny. There's things you can do to get out from under the tree.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, listen, but people aren't necessarily equipped with a lot of the right tools, you know, like to win. And a lot of it is, for me, I found just having a challenge, you know, like, and certain people. And I think happiness is removed from, you know, Like, the person at the watch, I think, can be very happy.

You know what I mean? Like, just very, very happy and very content. And contentment is removed from the winning and losing and the rat race that a lot of times we get caught up in. Your winner might not be someone else. Yeah, it's a different winning. And you can win, but it's just know where you're competing for happiness. You know, and I think that kind of, I think you are responsible for your own level of consciousness. I like that analogy.

It's like you can pull up to the car wash And a badass phantom You know what I'm saying Might be the richest dude Yeah Guy might be washing your car And you might look at that From perspective and be like

Okay one guy is clearly one and one guy clearly losing But that guy might be impotent That's driving the car He might have going through a divorce Yeah You know what I'm saying But that dude that's watching the car Might be the happiest man alive

Or even worse Numb The guy in there May be completely numb to all of it And it may mean nothing You don't even appreciate it. You know what I mean? That's his expectation.

He might have grew, if you grew up with all that, that's something special to you. Yeah. Whereas the other guy who's working the car rush, he might have came here from a country that's at war. He's just happy. There's not fucking bombs going off. He's the happiest dude in the world that he has a job. He gets to be outside and shit. Yeah.

And I think, no, whatever financial situation, like, you know, you always, I mean, in the Bible, the quote of building your hopes on things that are eternal. And it's just like the things that can make. you happy that can't be taken away. I mean, you know, love and it's true a sense and, and curiosity fulfills happiness because you are then, you know, every time you, you acquire more knowledge, it's a certain amount of fulfillment that comes with that. And, and small things and just, I'm as excited about certain sandwiches as I am, like, you know, in a very genuine sense of just like, oh, we're going here.

You know, like, you know, and this connection that you have with friends. I mean, it's all your ability to help other people. That's, that's very true. read a quote yesterday and the quote said your life is going to be based on not how much you accumulate but by how much you give. Yeah, oh that's literally all that matter. Because I'm one of those numb people. I'm not going

front. I'm one of those people who like things don't excite me. But I like we went to Marvel the day, you know what I'm saying? I got a homeboy named Mike. Mike's a comic book head like me. Yeah. But I know he'd appreciate really going to mall. That was really nice of you. You know what I'm saying? Thanks for taking me too. I appreciate that. They invited you. Knock it off.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I like the idea. just holding it over your head. Like, remember who got you? You don't, look at this space. Look at this space. I got you here. It's like, all right, okay.

But that's why I'm thankful up top. Let's get this out of the way. By the way, he's like, he's crumpled up your invitation. He's like, don't let him know. Don't let him know he got a golden ticket too. I got you into the chocolate factory. Hey, I don't trust people who keep score of the thank yous, man. I don't trust people who keep scored and thank you.

What you mean by that? Like if I do something for somebody, I'm doing it about the goodness of my heart. I don't need that validation from that person telling me thank you. True, but a thank you goes a long way, man. It's cool, it's good, but I'm not keeping a score of it. You know what I think? Thank you and a sorry, man. Very underrated things to do enough.

No, I don't believe in sorrows. See, I think it's hard to sorry. Because we live in a society now where if I say something that offends you and affects my bottom line, I say sorry to you hoping that you back up off. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't really mean that shit. What if you mean sorry? That's my thing. If you really feel bad about something you've done,

it takes a man to apologize in terms of, hey, that's you saying, hey, listen, I was wrong. I respect sorry. I respect sorries when you don't get no backlash for it. If I did something that offended you, but no- Yeah, not a PR sorry. Like, if I come to you and I go, you know what?

I was wrong, by the way I treated you in that situation. He's saying it's very basic if you steps on your sneakers. And a more emotional step on sneakers. Let's say like I totally discredit something you say, and I was like, fuck you and that. You know what? That was unfair. You've always been very open and patient with me

and I wasn't open and patient when it does. I apologize for that because it's something I feel, not publicly on Twitter, not on TV, but I feel like that's important to acknowledge. It's like if you don't, there's a vulnerability in a sorry, man, especially if it's a genuine sorry, not like the Knicks are making me apologize for flipping off a family.

Yeah, that was real, though. What? That Carmelo emotion was real, but that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, because it was a fake apology. What's funny is that people, that we live in a, culture that accepts the, you know, the sweet apology or the whatever, you know, like,

I'm sorry, the clear thing. Like, I mean, it's like, just don't, I'd rather people not do that, you know, like it's like, don't get it. Amen. We don't even care of it's genuine in it. Like, what does it do? Oh, not genuine. That's the thing.

We don't care if it's genuine in it. Hey, listen, man, listen, you know, you know what? You know what's funny? Did you think ludicrous didn't completely mess up how I spelled the word ludicrous? You know, like, because, like, because, like, I knew about the rapper before I was. in a situation where I had to spell the word. Nobody? I was like, oh, yeah.

Who did it worse than fabulous? Genuine, yeah. Oh, it's not F-A-B-O? I still don't know. How do you really spell fabulous? I really don't know. F-A-B-U-F-B-U-F-U-L-U-S. Fabulous.

F-A-B-U-S. Okay. Yeah. And Ludacris is L-U-D-I-C-R. Yeah, he spells his ludicrous, you know, like, he actually spells it how it sounds. He spells it phonetically, where the real word is creus.

Yeah. C-R-I-O-U. It's silly. I don't get it. Genuine. You know, genuine and genuine. You know, it's just like a... I really, in my mind, I'm like, I want to be a more genuine person.

Yeah. I mean, genuine. Genuine fell off. I just want to point this out. Nah, he really did. Now, he fell off. Let me tell you. Let me tell you.

You can never fell off when you got Pony, bro. Pony's a great song. Pony, white people love Pony. Bro. Pony might be the White People National Anthem. That's the white people. Oh, really? Oh, you know what I did?

I was at a... No, Porsome Shura on me is definitely the White People National Anthem. Porsum. Sugar on me. Yeah, that's up there. The phone is like the black version. That's like if boy people want to get a little risk out, they put on some ponies.

But it's great that those two songs can exist on the same playlist. Yes. But look, this is how I know Genuine I fell off. We were performing in the same venue in Alaska. And whenever I'm performing in the same venue as one of my R&B.

You don't sell yourself short. No, I'm selling myself short. Genuine wrote pony. You know what I mean? You got a lot of, you're on television, dude. Pony's exposure. I'm about to say pony. I'm about to say pony.

We should call him pony. Genuine can get $5,000 for the rest of his life plus travel for two just to go perform pony. I got to talk to that booker because I ain't got no $5,000. I guarantee you genuine I can get $5,000 for the rest of his life. I went for cultural purposes. Yeah, I'll see it. I'd like to meet a Native American.

Sometimes you take a gig because you're like, I'll see that place. Dude, I want Asia. Anytime we went to Asia, it's like. What else is there to do when you're genuine at 40-something? years old. Is he 40 something? Absolutely. Genuine was a member of TGT too, too, now. Yeah, then he got kicked out. Oh, really? I think,

I don't know. Tyrese is kicked him out, apparently. Tyrese is like the Wesley Snipes of fucking TGT. He's the Nino Brown and TGT. Motherfucking, Genuinen is G Money and Tink is the Dutterman. Dutterman and Nino Brown beefing right now, too.

Oh, wow. Everybody go watch New Jack City, and then you'll understand the anniversary just happened, right? 26, 26. Fucking years, man. Wait, it came out 26 years. Twenty-six years. Girard was two. Yeah, it was two.

Oh, my God. I was six years. I feel like I saw that. You ever had that happen where you think you saw something in the theater? And then it turns out it came out like five years before you were even alive. Yeah. Like, I was like, I didn't see this. I thought I saw that in the theater, New Jackson.

Yeah. No, it's like a lot of things that you just, I mean, you, you, you, because everything's a blur. Like, you absorb certain things while. you're still in this age where it's just like, I don't know, I don't know if I saw Home Alone in theaters. Did you see Home Alone at Home or Home Alone theater? I think I saw my grandma in theaters, I think, but that could have easily been Mrs. Delphine.

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And she's like 24. And to me, that makes perfect sense because I can't see them dating somebody their age. Like, I can't see you fucking somebody who's never seen New Jack City. Yeah, well, we live in this interest of time. I can see you dating older women. That's a great observation. Yeah, I, here's the thing. But dating that would be,

dating is a, I mean, what is, yeah. Putting your penis in. No, fucking young girls, you fuck young girls.

Then it's a girl who, you know, realizes that, you know, this may not go very far out of the nature of. You're on TV. Well, yeah,

but so, like usually, you know, though, but I mean, first of all, I haven't been fucking anyone recently.

I've just been in my office. Working. Like literally. You get to a certain level of fame where fucking you, they win. Well, that's the... When we're younger... You want to work hard enough to where, you know,

that you can do the Derek Jeter parting gift. Exactly. Give them a gift basket. Where it's the experience. And what would you give some Mark Twain? Like, like, a little... A picture of Lincoln's cabinet. I have Rhonda Byrne box set of books for you.

The secret, the magic. The answer here. A VHS.S. Think of this shit out, bitch. But ideally probably if I were like looking for a real like relationship I mean it would have to be some you know a girl that that that that expanse that has at least She could be any you know what I mean any like legal age you know as long as she you know is smart You know yeah it would have to be really smart knowledgeable like we live in this interest in time where all time kind of exists at once now

Where you can you can kind of pick an era you know when you were you know If you choose to do the knowledge of that area. But think about like in the 80s, in the 80s people weren't dressing in 50s clothing. Fact. As a fact. You know what I mean? Like people,

you embrace the time of now, like in somewhere around, you know, in recent history now, you know, one friend that dresses like a Leah and another that, you know, dresses like, you know,

like a 50s paper boy. You know, like, and then like you can kind of pick the time, like, all time exists at once. I think we're just more exposed to it, to be honest. Well, because of that, like, because it can exist.

Exactly, yeah. I can immerse myself in 1960s culture right now. I could get lost in 1960s music right. In 1990, you had what was on the radio and you had... Go to the library, get the micro-fiche. Yeah, yeah. If you were, if you had that time to do that, to invest in it. But, like, for the most part, you only knew, you know, what the current time was.

But now you can do anytime. What you think is cool has like transcended generations. Like I mean, if you grew up in the 70s, 50s and 70s were kind of like totally different. You know what I'm saying? Now growing up in 2016, you can trace back all of these different genres. It's all a similar style of cool. It's right there. What's interesting now, what old is, what we now call old just means is kind of recent.

Like, like, you know, if I'm wearing, if I wear shoes from 2000, 2014, it's like, retro. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like, yeah. No, no, no, no. He's saying, he's saying, 2014 is old,

wearing sneakers from 1995 is retro. It's retro. Exactly. So old. Old is like, like, for instance, old is out of style. But it's, but now. But is there anything out of style?

But no, but fences. Recent old is out of style. Recent old, like, for instance, if, you know, and I would because I'd like to ignore all of it, But like if I wanted to get up on stage tonight and talk about, hey, what color did, what color dress did y'all see? Was it white and gold? You see what I mean?

How recent was that? You know what I mean? But that was within a year, I'm amazed. But you know what I mean? You could kill your whole comedy set by using the word fleek. Oh, yeah. You can't say. Fleak had a window.

Like, you know, like, you know, so I just choose not to burn myself out with the trying, you know. That's interesting because you don't really know. know what's going to be classic. You know what I'm saying? It takes time for it to be classic. It takes time for it. But also that's why it takes such a, that's why that part,

going back to that moment of reflection, what is, like for me, it's like, it's all personal. Do you feel a connection to it? You know what I mean? Like, if I feel a connection to it,

then. But here it is, it's all personal, but it's also what was most famous from that time. It's like clothing is the same thing with hit records. We always talk about,

you know, when you compare music to today to music in the past, you're really just comparing it to the hits of the past. So people are like, yeah, music was way better. Yeah, if you take the best songs ever made in the last 50 years and compare it to this year, it's better. But with clothes, right now, if you're comparing 70s,

you're not going every through every shitty style of the 70s. Nobody's weren't snap bracelets from the fucking 90s. They might be rocking Pumas again. They might be doing these things. So you really taking a hits. Who's like the MacLamore of the 50s? You know, like, somebody told me that the day. Was it you?

Somebody mentioned some guy to me today, man, and he was like, he was like the white vanilla ice of country. Oh, Garth Brooks. Who was it? Roy Clark. What did Roy do? I don't know. He just said, I just thought it was funny.

He what? Oh, he-hawn. Oh, okay. So he was like, Roy Clark was like the vanilla ice. And so if there's a TV show about country folk nowadays called he-ha. It would be the most insensitive fucking title for a show. Nobody would be allowed with this. He-ha.

Come on. Why not? Why is it? But, I mean... People would be up in a... Oh, not all country folks are fucking he-haw and yippity-do and all these fucking sounds. Everybody'd be all sensitive.

The first time I met my guy, Bobby Bones, I was like, damn, I was expecting you to have on a straw hat and some cowboy boots, and he was like, why? Because I do country music. Exactly. So he goes, well, where's your hoodie in your boombox? It's the summer. Yeah, yeah.

In the car. Exactly. We have speakers now. That is the beauty of... That is the beauty of life now, though. Especially in hip-hop, man. I feel like hip-hop is bringing so many different people together.

Yeah. It has bought so many different people together. Like back in the day, genres of music, you really would separate people culturally. Yeah. It doesn't do that anymore. Yeah. The lines of blood.

Yeah. And it's like, I mean, and that's good. That's so, that's so healthy because we can't keep culturally inhibiting ourselves. Because that's like the, really, that, that's so, that's death, man. Yeah. You know, like, you just, you, you culturally inhibited and you, and you're told that thing. I mean, growing up, you know, young, but I'm, you, I was told certain things.

things weren't for me. Like what? I mean, you can name it. Like, I don't ski and I don't think it's a good, but like I'm going to cardigans. I'm wearing a cardigan right now. Like, but say I wanted, say I had a genuine interest in skiing or whatever, you know what I mean?

Like, like, that's some white boy shit. Exactly. Yeah. I watched Frazier as a kid. What are you watching the white shows for? You know what I mean? Like, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate Martin. I was like, Martin's amazing.

And Frazier's amazing. Everybody's experienced it. I mean, I love girlfriends. But I watch girlfriends. They tell me I'm freaking gay. A show full of women, but I'm gay. I should be watching eyes. But it's like everyone, but it goes back to that group mentality.

Everyone's afraid of, they, they criticize you for kind of leaving the flock. Leaving them. Yeah, yeah, like leaving them. It's like, well, you're not doing the thing we agreed. You know how we silently agree to only like and watch? Like it's the spoken rules. Remember how we agreed to sacrifice both of our individual existence for one United one? You don't remember that?

Like, well, you're breaking the covenant. Because you're watching a thing outside of us. I agree with you. One thing I find interesting, and I mean, you know, all my white friends always, well, not all my white friends, but Schultz always says this. He always says that white people don't look at each other. Who is all of his white friend now? No, Jay. They don't look at white people as one group the way black people do.

But, I mean, we only make up like 13, 14% of the population. So we kind of should stick together, I guess. And you're also, there is a, your togetherness has to do through with oppression, right? Like you're oppressed as one group, whereas white people weren't oppressed as one group. They're actually oppressed individually. Italians, like if you ask Italians that are maybe 70 years old, if they identify as white, I just found this out recently. They were like, nobody treated me as white when I was young growing up in New York. I was the ethnic guy.

I was, like, was, like, wasps didn't accept Mario Cuomo. Yeah. They just didn't accept him. Yeah. They thought that he was, he was like, matter of fact, when he won apparently a bunch of the ethnic communities, I mean, you would probably know more about this, Mark. But, like, he was almost like this ethnic chairman, you know, like, oh shit, somebody who wasn't part of, like, the good old boys club won. Yeah. So the idea of, like, throwing all white people together, I understand.

But that's the danger. I mean, you know, and we kind of got into the, well, we really got into, like, yesterday. Breakfast Club. The breakfast club we're talking about. But, but, like, the thing that even, like, like, the thing that even, like, like, you. like people, we need the freedom to disagree with each other. Not to hurt, but the freedom to disagree.

And we, it's easy to lose that. And it's easy to forget that even that at our best, you had Malcolm and Martin who had, like, same goal, fundamental differences. Like, so much so. Like, that, I mean, you would, you

think about it like now, right? Like, Malcolm X almost couldn't exist now, right? Because if we accepted Martin Luther King was the guy, right? And then Malcolm X, if you, if Read some of the things. He would refer to them as like so-called leaders. And so-called... He called Martin and Uncle Tom.

He would say these disparities. He also pulled Coreta Scott King aside and said, I need to show them... To show White America that there's an alternative. You know, and, like, the freedom to disagree is so important. And it's so important, like, because that's how you grow. It's all... I mean, everything we've been talking about to kind of ties together,

but it's all, like, even within it, if we start having one, the hashtag, mentality and we start having one thing that's with any race or group that's what women women can't like women can't like they you will hurt yourself gay people can't just they can't feel like they can't disagree with another gay person like people can't feel like they can't disagree with another black person because that's how you grow yeah i can't front it hurts but yo what you what you said is real that's how we grow like right now everybody's mad at me because i gave bernie sanders don't care today but i feel like what bernie sand said was stupid so do a lot of other people but they're they're

Tweeting me saying, the one person that's for us. You're going to go against. What if you cost him votes? Yo, that don't mean that he can't be wrong. Yeah. And that don't mean that I'm against him. Yeah, yeah. But calling him out for being wrong.

Yeah. I mean, even when working with, I mean, staying on the Martin Luther King example, I mean, it's not like he didn't work with, you know, the Kennedy. Like, even he would criticize. Martin Luther King would criticize the president and also signed, you know, civil rights acts with them.

Like, it's like you have to be. and use your own life. Hopefully your life reflects this, and I know his stand-ups as do, like use your own life as that template of like, oh, yeah, I disagree with this person, yet and still that builds me as a human being that expands my consciousness,

and it makes both of us better. Yes. Yeah. I remember, you know what's so bad? I remember the era when we welcomed everybody's opinion. Like, I can remember when people,

I do, when people would say things. Chris Rock is a great example. You got to understand what Chris Rock did. that niggas versus black people joke? Yeah. Black people, we didn't talk like that, even though it was like something you've started in your mind.

And as a comic who's received a similar form of criticism, it's why they have cut, because it's like history, it's all, you know, it happened before. People forget, because history records a thing is different than,

people forget that niggas versus black people was received as airing, uh, dirty laundry out in the streets and like, you don't say that. You don't go on HBO and you'd say, like, and it was rebelled against at the time and then consciousness caught up to the bit.

No, not consciousness, like, man, Chris Rock got a point, man, there's some niggas out here. Well, but through the experience, like, that's how you expand the kind of like, and it's like, oh, and then it's like, oh, oh, yeah. I remember that, I remember, because my pops used to always let me watch all the stand-up specials.

I remember, like, my people around me, like, older than my father's age, like, nah, I ain't supposed to talk like that in front of them white people, man. You know, you know, You know what? The thing that excited that it'd be the most in my career is like that older black comics

hate it. It's just like, oh, thank God. Why? I was like, oh, I'm not doing that. Because I don't want to do that. They hate you because you have a sitcom in your 28 years old. Yeah, well, I mean, that's why.

Whatever reason. They hate you because you're successful and young. But also, but just I would hear If I was Hamburg, I'd hate you too. Right. Geronimo probably hates you. When Cat Williams started hating on you, you really made it. Okay?

That's what you need. Exactly. If Cat comes at you. Oh, man. Because he's at Kev. If Kat, if Kat, oh, you haven't seen this beat? I saw the Kev. But in Chris, I saw the Chris.

Did you see Cat get beat up? Yeah. That was, that shit was funny. Yeah, but he didn't get jumped. The guy was self-defense. He swung, yeah. He got jumped. I hope he's right, man.

He swung on a guy first. Did you not see the whole video? Yes. And then the guy and his brother, the dude's name is Boone. Boone and his brother. Jumped him. It was like three guys. If somebody swings on you,

I'm not gonna beat him up. Of course. Then the guy, then the guy released a video. He just deserved it. Then the guy released a video, too. I hadn't seen that. Someone said that the guy that Pauled him released.

Well, he called the Breakfast Club. Boom. Oh, he did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boone's a rapper. He got a song called Papa Perk. Yeah. So he called and just told us what happened.

And it's the funniest shit. I know what's like, he's like Cat came out with every person that performed. Little Moog came out and sang, Cat did pushups. Being a single performed, Cat was just on stage dancing while. So when they bought him out to perform, he performed, he killed it.

Beanie bought him back out. And he said when Beanie bought him back out, it was just like, Cat was just mad like, who is this motherfucker? Like, I know why they're cheering for a little boy. I know why they're cheering for you. So he said the whole night Cat just was eyeing him. Really? Yeah, the shit you saw in the video where Cat was just eyeing him,

looking him up and down, sizing him up. And then eventually that little motherfucking squirrel swung on the, on fucking moon. I hope he's all right. Because, I mean, that's like a real pro. You know what I mean? Like a, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, that's a pro.

That's not even the biggest issue I hear when I hear about Kat. Cat is giving away money. Cat gave Beanie Segal on Lamborghini that night. Wait, what? He gave Beanie Segal a black Lamborghini. He had a black Lamborghini at the show. He gave him the keys since your birthday. What the fuck does makes Kat think that Beanie Seal can afford the insurance on a Lamborghini?

I don't know. There's no way in... He gave him the Lamborghini. Do you remember the last time we saw Beanie Siegel? He bought the boat. Do you remember the last time we saw a Beanie Siegel in the club? Not even in VIP, just standing there? I'm going to tell you something right now.

The views are. expressed by Andrew Shorts about Benny Siegel and not my views. I still believe all Beanie Siegel's raps and I believe that he will shoot you. So, what that said, and he won't even be a VIP. So if you're just regular, he'll shoot your ass right there. With that said, he gave Benia Lambo. He gave little more a fucking Cadillac truck. That, what this out of that night?

Yes, he gave security one of his Cuban link chains like here. He's trying to win over Philly. He's just trying to buy Philly. No, but that's what is. That's thing. Cat does that. If you've heard a story about Kat. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I've heard him being very generous. And like, and the generosity. He's great, but I mean, that's, I mean, he's made, look, I don't know what his finances. I mean, I know that's a lot, but, like, you know, he's made an incredible amount of money. He's making a lot of money. He's on the road. I mean, he's probably making, I don't know, half a million dollars a show, 300,000 a show. So if Kat didn't like you, would you be happy with that?

I mean, listen, I'm happy with if anyone who can't accept change. Yeah. Then I like it. Then I'm, if you don't like me for the reasons of, like, it's different and it's not what we do or what the rule. I'm not following the rule book. I take that as a, you know, that's exciting. The thing with you, I don't even think that, I don't think what you're doing is different. I just think it's kind of like passing the torch.

It's like you're trying to, you're doing what Richard did and Chris Rock did, you're being edgy, you're making people think critically. But once you get about people forget that the initial reaction isn't always just roses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, people forget the bump, you know, like, it's 808 in the heartbeats. It's forget, people forget that it's 808 in the heartbreak. and heartbreak, and they forget that Eddie Murphy was protested against.

You know what I mean? Like people forget those things. Hindsight they only think about success. It's like history is written by the winners. Yeah. So it's just like, if you win, all they're going to be like, oh, this guy was revolutionary. He's changing comedy, all this shit.

If you don't win, they're going to be like, well, you tried to do some shit he shouldn't have done. But that's what I think the TV show is going to do for you. Because for me, you clicked with me with the TV show. When I saw the stand-up special, I was like, this motherfucker's sick. And I said two things. I said, I didn't believe you.

Yeah. That was my thing. I'm like, he's just saying this to troll. Like, he's just saying this for shock value. Like, I didn't believe it. Like, if you're saying some fucked up shit and it's really you, I'm like, okay. I have a question about the special. Because I've always one of this.

I've seen you perform. I've seen you at the cellar. Yeah. You're a bad motherfucker. I'm not, you know what I mean? And I don't say that really about people. Like, I've seen you. There's comics that people they say kill.

They don't fucking kill. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm not. You know, let's be honest, I've seen you crush. And not crush in terms of your energy being any different, but just crush. Yeah. But I don't feel like the special did you justice. No, what it did, the special is a, was a documentary.

Like, it's like, the thing is everything done there is deliberate. I'll pull up a notebook deliberately. It's all deliberate because what it needs, my intention was to break this. this pattern of like or contribute to trying to break this back things just start looking alike things just start sounding alike there was nothing people weren't feeling anything toward a thing like you know like people weren't they didn't have a a reaction to it's just numb it's like yeah it's kind of funny like that's what i heard like people special like yeah it's yeah it was whatever like i didn't juice any labs i kept every grow like this is all deliberate like this

So we, there's a, I could, I could make that, there was a version that sounded different. That sounded. You could do a, like, I could do it. The first show, I could, I didn't use, I didn't use the take for the first show because it was too delightful. It sounded like other specials. There wasn't a challenge. There was, like, nothing to challenge anything. So you were trying to challenge the audience with the special.

And in comedy. And within comedy, like, it was a thing where it's like, I, I had this platform, had this opportunity. special who gets those who gets an HBO you know what I'm like first time on television that's my first time I'm doing standup on television right Unprecedented That I could easily

I don't you boy who Drew Frazier talent He did the warm up Those guys hate you man But the thing is like I could put on my You know I could do an Eddie Murphy imitation You know to be like

Put off a leather thing and do with I could do that Shot said J. Farrow No I'm just fucking you, I don't know. But not imitat, like, but you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean?

Like, not a back, you know. He's not talking about the actual impression he's saying just recreate what delirious. Well, we need to say this before. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. And you're right. Yeah. Which actually, I just saw the, the Jay on, uh, SNL.

He was really good. Like, jumping from every black color. That was, yeah. You know what made it so exceptional? It was live. Yeah. Like, that was one take, baby. You made himself laugh and did it.

Oh, that was dope. Yeah. That was dope. You know what? easily just follow the format. Once he's seen impressions to me, I'm just like that. Nah, no, that was exceptional. I think he's an exceptional impression.

This is what it is for me. It's a magic trick. So once you've seen, I've seen someone take a quarter and make it disappear and pull it out the ear, it's like, yeah, I've seen that before. It's really cool, but I've seen it different because Jay was having a, it was a black comedian convention. I've seen it. He did everybody.

I've seen it. A monks out there. I mean, it's a, he did a cat. Gerard seen it too. It was good Saturday night. It was good Saturday night. To be consumed by someone to jump into character. You know what I mean?

He is phenomenal at it. And actually, I found it. I found more. Oh, because he didn't do it. Yes. I saw, I saw him do this.

This was more interesting. It was great. It was like, yeah. I was watching that show that J.B. Smooth has, which is actually really interesting. It's like four courses with J.B.

Smooth on MSG. And it's just had a bunch of comics talk to each other. And Jay was on there. And they asked him how he develops a impression. And this was the most fascinating. me. He goes, I look at what an accent is and it usually has different parts or an accent is, whatever it is, impression as parts. And he goes, like for example, um, J. Z is Christopher Walken slowed down. And he starts doing walking and then he starts slowing it down into Jay Z.

And then he goes, Jamie Fox is a preacher that connects words and then sped up or something like that. And he starts doing it. And I'm like, you, I saw the math of the impression. And it made me have so much more respect for it because you know how like you see somebody dunk and you're like, oh, they're an athlete. And you don't see them in the gym squatting, in the gym running, in the pool, swimming. It's like, oh, shit, there is working. Well, Jay Farrow has mastered that equation. Amazing. What he did Saturday, he did six comedians in a row.

It wasn't no breaks. It was like he was talking to himself having a conversation with all the voices. Very talented. I've seen it. But back to what you were saying. Let's pay this last bill and close out real quick. All right. Let's take a break and talk for a minute.

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Yeah, I mean, it's like, you took ego out of it. Yeah, because it's, it's art. You create, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's for this reason to make people, you know, but, uh, uh, uh, things. Like, you have to feel something. The intention was make people feel something. You know, people don't know what to feel, though. You know, people wake up every day and they go on, like, social media,

or they look for popular opinion and know how they feel about something. What should I feel like today? What is my horoscope? I just listened to a TED talk about it. Like, it was a TED talk about how they spread. Yeah. It was about how things spread. And they talked about how these two people did an experiment.

They went on a bus, and they started laughing. Yeah, yeah. And eventually the whole bus started laughing. Contagious. It wasn't no joke told. Yeah. No, nothing. They just started laughing.

That's why they put laugh tracks and TV shows. Yeah, because it teaches people to do a thing. And it's like what was fun with the special is to hit. Like, there are certain bits that I did that I just know how this bit worked. And then I would immediately break it. Like, immediately just like, there was no, I, I disrupted every piece of momentum because it now makes you think of every thought individually. Like, you know, like if you brand, and I'll do it on stage even during a certain sets.

It's like I'll deliberately, I'll like where a lot of comics will just like, boom, and ride that laugh. I never like riding. I'll stop. I'll pause and just make you come back down because now you have to accept this next thought for what that is. And it's like, it's all those things. You know, but it was fun because it's like, I was like, oh, yeah. We also see if a joke can stand on its own.

Yeah. Yeah. If you go back to zero and you can get them back to 10, it's like, oh, that joke is its own nugget. Or at least make them deal. with it. Sure. Deal with it as what it is. Deal with,

you know, the thoughts existence. You know. I read you in New York Times out. Like, I forgot, I don't know who they quoted, but they said that Gerard is not afraid to bomb.

Yeah. No. Like to try a thought. Like, like, because here's the thing like, and look, like,

you know, I was able, blessed to get a lot of, you know, attention or success, you know, really fast. But it's like,

I, you can't let that stop you from. It's, it's connection. It's consciousness. is this thinking. It's like that's what I'm in it for. Like the easy thing. We see,

listen, we, as comics, I've seen guys go up and destroy, right? And not remember a word that they said. There's a guy in, in every city in America, there's a rogue comic right now who has the most solid hour

you've ever seen before in your life. And solid by definition of just the most consistent, laughs, the most consistent, whatever, that makes you feel nothing. And that wasn't my, intention with this special because it's it that's the I mean it's easy to not to be dismissable but

it's easy to do that version of it it's a different way of killing to me like killing is is in you know connection and maybe I don't know the next one maybe it depends on how I'm feeling like and I wanted that to fit exist in the state of comedy as an option as a route here's my worry just just about that is that like you said people don't know how to feel and I think especially with stand up, there's one acceptable response, right, which is laughter. Right? There's one way that people know that you're doing well, which is laughter. Two, two, two.

Which is? It's the laughing that. Ha, that nigger crazy. Yeah, yeah. But think about it like this stuff. But real quick, just to finish, is, is so there's that acceptable response, right? Not maybe we as comics know about a different response. We see teeth, we see smiling, we see pondering.

We're like, okay, I can engage that. But somebody watching your special, you know, and listening to it might not hear the laughter, might assume that it wasn't maybe as funny, and might turn it off and then might not get to experience the other stuff that you had there. Yeah, I have faith. I have faith that people,

I have genuine faith that people, like, they'll get it in time, you know, like in time. I think that laughter, I think we've, we talk about inhibiting, right? The same way, so the, the, just take the sitcom and we'll go back to stand up, but it's to,

the sitcom, if you look at Norman Lear shows, he doesn't have the laughs per minute or the laugh per page that the sitcom is supposed to have. With someone in the show, all in the family. All in the family. Jefferson's good times. You know, my stomach keeps growling. I should have ordered some Chipotle.

But it doesn't have the last per minute. The format's different. You know what I mean? And it's like humorous and comics and what we perceived as, like, what now has become stand-up in, like, a certain rhythm, like, you have to break that. Because we will box ourselves into saying nonsense

and to just doing things just to hear that sound. But if that sound doesn't have value, like, if you, like, we devalue, it's like, it's the equivalent of, well, we print more money. You know what I mean? Like, if we devalue, it's like, we do that with labs where it's just like, and you throw in a thing. Because you can throw in, listen, we know, like, honestly,

you do it enough and if you're good at it you can do a look raise an eyebrow you can really do a thing but you devalue it like but you devalue it you need the audiences have to learn that or audiences know it but we as performance

we as entertainers have to fill this space that are satirist and humorous and that kind of transcend that transcend this rhythm because we get caught up in a rhythm and we start saying that dude killed A lot of times when I see a comic, when I'm like, oh, he killed, a lot of times it's not.

Oh, yeah, just the laughs or nonstop. A lot of times I don't even remember what you said. I think a lot of, I think nowadays we have a lot of caricatures of what comics used to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're not actually, they're not making you think.

Like, I like, I think this age of instant gratification is what makes these comics just want those rhythms that just get the laughs right in there. But those are cheap laughs. If I'm being honest, if I'm being completely honest, if you listen to the rhythm, if you would hope you would be completely honest

I have been. And I will continue. And it's 88. It's my favorite number. So pure honesty here. But the rhythm of my special sounds more like, I'll get a lot of shit for this, but more like a Richard Pryor album.

If you listen to a Richard Pryor album and you listen to the way the labs come and you listen to the realizations in those moments, it sounds more like that than anybody. Richard Pryor's albums didn't sound like this flooded, just hot, hot like look at early you know what to be like the earlier thing it was the exploration of thought

if you compare prior to let's say uh chris is bringing the pain which was very momentum heavy boom boom boom boom now chris is also structure knots yeah like this yeah but yeah i hear you but chris is like but it's a different you know what i mean it's a different thing like you know you and chris is similar to me because chris you have to sit down and listen to chris yeah i think You can't get Chris in moments. Like if I'm watching a Chris Rock special, even when I watched you, I didn't turn it off because I'm like, it's got to be going somewhere. You know what I'm saying? I listen to the whole thing.

I want to see the whole thing in this whole totality. Same thing with Chris. You can't just listen to half of a Chris Rock joke and be like, no, I don't get that. Yeah. No. You got to listen all the way through. Yeah. I, you know, and I think, you know, I think just rhythmically, it's like Chris is, you know, in writing is a, in a beautiful sense, a structured.

Yes. You know what I mean? Like very structured. But that's born from maybe not being the strongest performer per se. Yeah. I think, you know, you got a guy like Chappelle who is just maybe one of the most natural, just human beings to stand in front of people.

Yeah, just like, yeah. Some people just exude performances in their life. Chris is thinking too much. Chris is a... Well, no, he's, I mean, Chris is thinking... It's just a genius. It's, like, also brilliant. I mean, you know, he's thinking the way he...

I'm just saying, but that's the whole, the whole argument. And it goes back to the spell. I'm going to, like, it doesn't. Like, it doesn't all sound one way. And that's the thing. And it's like a lot of the greatest all time, it was a different rhythm and it challenged and it was subversive

in the truest video of the word. And it was challenging. It was, you know, it alienated and it, and it was divisive in all of those things. And that's what humor can't, like humor, it shouldn't be dismissed to a rhythm of laughs and a rhythm of whatever. And my intention with that.

And with anything I put out with the show, with everything the show has more because they have more voices and I'm still tweaking with the the rhythm and the pattern like the episode you'll see a difference in this season than the last and you'll see these moments where things just breathe and just exist

and force you to deal with it because that's you know because that's what I know what humor can be you know and so like you know I like that it divided my favorite is just like certain you can tell like certain comics wanted to ask like even just that question but like you know it's like I would see certain

people not want to ask. I'm like, I gotta ask you. But I think my favorite thing is just like, you know, people, it's like, yeah,

none of it like hurts about. You can't make me feel like, but you can't make me feel like. That's a good honest conversation. I'm going to ask questions I need, I want to know the answer. The only reason I ask you is because I've seen you perform. Yeah.

So the confusion came from you doing a certain, perceived you killing in my perception on stage once. And then you doing the special, which was not the same killing. Because I, the, what made the special special, special to me is that I didn't think of it as a special.

Right. Right, right, right, right. It was just a regular. Who's a joke? Neil? No, no, Chris Rock. Chris Rock was like a lot of people doing regulars. They're regular. Not specials. Yeah.

But no, but here's the thing. But, but it's the, like, the regulars are what. Or what's special. You know what I got you? I know what you're in a weird, but you understand what you're saying. I understand what you're just like the regular is just like. Yeah. The curtain and the smiles and the audience shut and the,

and it's like, what the fuck? Where are we right now? Interesting, though, because, like, even after I watched the special, I'm like, I didn't know what I felt. I'm like, I don't know. That's how, that was my mindset about Gerard Kirk or my comic. Like, I don't know. Yeah. And I saw the TV show, and I'm like, oh, this shit is really good.

Yeah. And I got, I got pure love and I got pure rebellion and I got pure, you know, like the whole spectrum. That's how you're good. That's great. That's how you know you're good. Three and four, baby. Now, my final question, do you feel, did you feel like this is what? what it would be like, because I mean, shit.

You got a sitcom on NBC. You already had a stand-up special on HBO. You're supposed to be on your second or third STD by now. At least two kids. You should be rock star status at this point. I work a lot, man. It's like, you know, the work is the fulfillment for me, you know, and I like to create and I like to figure things out.

And, like, that's where at the moment I'm getting perfect. Maybe I'll start a family at some point or do it. I don't know. But I'm just talking about the from the fame part. Are you waiting like, okay, when's the fame coming? When's that coming? Because that's like, you know, nah. I care about like, you know.

Real shit. I buy a lot of sneakers. I mean, that's, I guess, a little indulgent. But for the most part, like, famous, what does that mean? Like, you know, the person who said, you have a crazy clip on the news, you're famous. You know, somebody said something about some paddy LaBelle pies. You know what I mean? You're in love with the work, not with the fame.

The work. Yeah. Yeah. upset yesterday. Most people that are successful are in love with the work and that's why they continue to do it because in order to be successful, you need to a lot of the fucking way. Well, because you got to play a long game. Like, it's like, you know, yeah. I agree. Stay, stay that way. I got upset yesterday because we interviewed you and then we interviewed Cardi B. You know who, you familiar with Cardi B? I met her yesterday. Yeah, love and hip hop,

couple million followers on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my co-hosts, my producers had no I did who you were. Yeah, yeah. So, in their mind, Cardi B took precedent as far as who we should air first. Yeah. Then Gerard called Michael,

who's got an NBC show a fucking HBO special. And I'm thinking, like, am I the crazy one? I have things just changed. Crazy is all perspective, man. It's a long game. But also, it's, I live by the...

And I love Cardi, by the... I live by the, let them have it. Let them have that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm cool. You're eating. You got the HBO special. You got NBC.

You know. I love, like, because it'll, the reality is, soon enough, it'll become a thing where the existence changes in the, in the life. She's still in the platform, too. To be honest, they might be right. Cardi's interview on the breakfast club might be a bigger deal than Gerard's interview on the breakfast club. Yeah, but when I Google, when I might not get a New York Times article. That's what I'm saying? When I Google you and I'm throwing my, like, look, no, what are you talking about?

New York Times on the ride. It doesn't matter. It's like there's different demographics for different things. You know, people, let's say, let's say all the stuff. sudden, we find out that Girard's a huge hip-hop fan. He's been, you know, with all these different bands and you're backstage and you're doing your tour dates alongside KRS-1's tour dates just so you could go to every single show. Why the fuck what he'd be doing with KRS one?

Man, I'm being hypothetical. You know what I'm giving him a nice conscious rapper. I do a bit about black cops. He does black cop. You know what I'm saying? Maybe this shit comes out and all of a sudden it's a bigger deal for the breakfast club this hip-hop station. So you never know.

Maybe his interview on Fallon is going to be a bigger deal where Cardi's interview on Breakfast Club is a big thing. I don't think, like I said, from the fame aspect, because I know it's all, the career exists as a piece for me. So it's like, you know, it just, it's all a piece. As long as I just,

I like working and I like creating. And I just, that's what's really important. What's your ultimate angle? I mean, as long as I'm having shareable thoughts, the ability to share it. You know what I mean?

Like, as long as I have, If I think I have a thing to contribute to a cultural conversation, as long as I have that feeling, I just want an outlet for it and various outlets. You know what I mean? And that's why I love stand-up. And that's why I love. And truthfully, to contribute to the art, my favorite artists contribute to their art form. And the same thing with the special.

I think that, you know, and I would say, like, I think my special contributed to the art form. You know, I mean, there's a reason it's talked about New York. time. And there's also a reason it's on HBO. You know what I mean? There's a reason because it contributes to the art form. And I want to contribute. Like, if I'm doing stand-up, I want to contribute. If I'm doing sitcoms, I want to contribute to that art form. In film, I want to

and finding a way to do it. And as long as, you know, you know, I can do that, you know, just having the opportunity to do it. Gerard call Michael, ladies and gentlemen, telling me a Twitter name and Instagram because you don't have much followers. I know. I know. Cardi, give him a shout out.

I should. Oh, yeah, yeah, please. Who's the person with the... Cardi B. Give Gerard's call, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, you should tweet more, said Gerard's publicist, every email. I don't, you know, you scraped me to type that is, that's not how you want to convey your thoughts. No, but I thought, I mean, I need inflection in like a, you know,

and a whole thing, and it exists, you know. I mean, listen, it's so funny because we're conditioned to think, you know, I reach way more people with the show or with the special. Like, you know, I reach way more people than even if I had a high Twitter following. If I had a crazy out Twitter, I would still reach way more people. And that's my whole point. And that's what I care about. I care about.

I care about where are the people? I'm like, oh, there? Good. And I don't feel an obligation to do a thing. First thing when I wake up, I can just go create, release one thing. And it reaches X amount of millions of people. And then I can go eat a sandwich. But I'm pretty sure if more people know Gerard Carl Michael, in the biggest scheme of things across the country.

Just just my opinion. Yeah. in the bigger scheme of things, absolutely. Actually, I don't know. I can't say that absolutely. Who knows? Yeah, we can't say that, man. You just don't know.

You just don't know. One day. I mean, I heard. Yeah, I mean, I, listen. She's creating art. I don't know if you went to the, I have not. I have a party in Tuscaloosa.

She had a great party in Tuscaloosa. Really? It was art. There was a lot of, a young lady outside that was, that showed me a clip of a video that was, yeah, it was entertaining. Gerad, don't worry.

You keep working. You two will host a party at CIWA. Thank you for dreaming. You're going to get a party at All-Star Weekend. You dream so big for me, so what's your Twitters? Notorious R-O-D. I'd say R-O-D because, you know,

that, it was biggie. Instagram is the same thing? Just my name on Instagram. You can tell he don't even use it. He don't even fucking know. Yeah, it's just my name. Snapchat. What the fuck?

You got a Snapchat? No. No, that's the yellow one, right? There you go, Gerard. This guy sounds like he's 57 years old. That's the yellow. Yeah, no. That's the yellow ghost.

one, right? Yeah, yeah, no, no. Well, listen, thank you for coming, Gerard, man. I'm pleasure. He's only 20 years. But that's how I recognize. I'm like, that's the yellow one. He's only 28, ladies.

I'm gonna get on there. I may jump on there and snap with the people, whatever the fuck people are doing. Now, as always, if you listen to this podcast and you think we're smart, you think we're brilliant, you learn something, you're absolutely right. But if you think that we don't know shit with just a couple of idiots,

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