The Bryce Crawford Podcast - A Hebrew Israelite Told Me White People Can’t Go to Heaven

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

A Hebrew Israelite Told Me White People Can’t Go to Heaven

You believe that I'm going to go to heaven? No. There's no hope for me because of my skin color. As a servant, if an Israelite makes it into the kingdom, and let's say you make it, you'll be his slave or his servant. So let's say a white person genuinely repents, believes in Jesus Christ, lives by the Bible. Right.

Are they going to heaven? No. Do you believe that the white man is the devil? Absolutely. There ain't a greater devil on the planet. What do you think is going to happen to me on Judgment Day? You'll probably be a servant. You're going to have the option.

live or unalive. Then there'll come a time when we'll hunt men. What does that mean? Exactly what it sounds like. We're going to hunt and round you up. Hey, before we dive in, if these videos have meant anything to you, if they've helped your faith or brought you closer to God in any way, make sure you're actually subscribed.

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episode. What's going on guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryson. Today, I'm with Captain Tzariok. Yeah, man, got the name right. Appreciate you having me on your platform, man. Been looking forward to it, actually, since the last time, since the first time we started corresponding, I was looking forward to coming on to your platform. I love coming on Christian-based platforms, believe it or not. I believe it. Yeah, because I think there's a space where, you know, certain conversations can be had

where it's not so combative. What I've learned over the years when I actually have sit-downs like this, that's not in a debate style. People have a different perspective. If not, of the Israelites, they have a different perspective of me and my approach. And then y'all be trying to convert me to Christianity. And so, which we saw that early today. Yeah, that's why we got some shoes and some sticks.

Yeah, yeah, trying to convert me. Every time I, like, when I sit with different Christians, whether they tell me in person, like, even in the gym, like, y'all have no idea to reach, y'all have. And it helps my reach. So when I'm in my gym in Jersey, they'll come up to, hey, man, I saw you with this. when I saw you with that one, hey man, you close. You just need to come on to the other side, brother. Just come on to the other side. And so I love having these conversations

because I think when we can get past debates and have conversations, even if you still disagree with me afterwards, you can understand where I'm coming from biblically, even if you disagree. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's right.

Because I think we need to have more, you know, it's how you debate, you know, if you can have that conversation. Definitely. It's funny because, You are the nicest Hebrew-Israelite I've ever met, personally. In-person, nicest one I've ever met. And I know we were talking about it,

but there's a difference between maybe some of the Hebrew Israelites that people see online and then your group, the ISU-P-K. So can you kind of explain a little bit about your group? We don't have a monopoly on being an Israelite. So for us, we teach that the Israelites are in America, north-central and South America, the blacks, Latinos, and Native Indians. There are other factions or groups of Israelites out there that either came from our organization or might have heard something from our organization.

Or because when you do the history of black people waking up to who they are, there are other groups. You have Rabbi Ford, Matthews, Wentworth, Ben Amin, you got a lot of different groups or sex of black people that believe or found out, discovered that they were Israelites. So we won't say we own the monopoly of it. We do say we're not affiliated, though. And a part of the reason we say we're not affiliated, like you're not Roman Catholic Christian, right? Right, right. So you probably wouldn't affiliate with them based on their beliefs and based on their standards. And so you don't want, if something happens in the Roman Catholic world, you don't want them to say that's me.

So same thing with us. When something happens with these Israelites and they're not affiliated, we don't want to be lumped in with a group that doesn't obey God the way that we obey God. Gotcha. So there are other groups, but we're not affiliated with those groups. So I don't know if you remember

like a couple years ago, but like when I first moved to L.A., it was in 2022, there were like the pictures of the Israelites with the banners above the bridges in L.A. Like, I don't know if you remember that.

Like, so I can't remember what they were saying, but, you know, we've had run-ins with different Israelites wherever in Chicago and New York and whatever. So you're saying that sometimes the Israelites that people meet are not from your organization. So does that make you guys upset a little bit, I guess? If someone, you know, let's say I run into a group in Chicago that has nothing to do with you and they say a bunch of stuff that you don't agree with and then I make my mind up about them.

And I go, okay, well, this is what they believe. No, so I don't necessarily get upset. That's why not being affiliated, I have the freedom to say, yeah, they wouldn't have done that to me. That's what I have the freedom of. And sometimes it's good when something bad, I don't want to say bad, when they get shamed,

because we believe that if God didn't authorize you, the teacher shouldn't be out there. So it never bothers me when it's someone else. Now here's who it does bother. It does bother Israelites that are not in the school that look at it like we're this big united front. but if we were the big united front from our position we would already be together

and then we would be united you can't be divided when it's convenient and united when it's convenient you're either all together or you're all not so my leader commander janie hana has asked for all Israelites to come together we've asked to come and sit down work out our differences

have these different type of conversations now if they don't choose to come they don't choose to come so if you go in front of a group and it's not our group whether they're successful or not is not really a concern of ours at all. So explain to me,

before we kind of get into your core beliefs, explain to me the hierarchy of structure, I guess, when it comes to chain of command, because you're the cap, right? You just mentioned a commander, but sometimes, like,

you know, I watched a sit-down you did on the way we were talking about it and you were with some other guys. Right. And they wouldn't speak. One of them wouldn't speak unless you said something. to him. So what's up with that?

That's our whole entire structure. So in the Israelite School of UPK, we're built like what the Bible and even outside the Bible will call a military type of structure. So like in the Old Testament, you'll see Moses had captains of 50, captains of 1,000, X, Y, Z like that. So we were about order. Like the Bible is always about order. Even when Christ fed them the fish with the bread, he sat them down in ranks.

So in our organization, Commander Jenihana, he's the highest-ranking man in our organization. So there's nobody above him except in the heavenly realm outside of him. And how did he get that role? Well, when our school was founded in 1969, there was seven men that founded the school. He was the eighth man in the school. And so eventually they left, some left through passing away, some left through lack of faith. and so he got the position because it fell to him. He didn't like, you know, sometimes you hear of stories of people fighting for the rank

or fighting for the position. He actually got the position because it fell to him. He didn't even want it. And I think that speaks to the humility that you even see in the Bible. Because most people that are the leaders in the Bible are men that didn't want it. You know what I mean? Jeremiah didn't want it. Daniel thought he was too young.

You know what I mean? So a lot of Moses, he had to send Aaron with Moses. So it was always men like that. And so that's commanding genuine hunting. He has that humility. And then you got the generals that come under him. And then you have the captains. And then you have offices.

And then you have troopers. And then we have sisters. The reason why you only see one of us talk is because of the strict, we believe in having one voice. So if, let's say if all of us was in here and we was all in my organization, only one of us would speak because we all say the same thing. So if, but if I'm. speaking and he's speaking and he's speaking and you speaking and that's confusion to us so we don't

have it like that now and that sit down it was actually two of us it was me and katea now my that's my right-hand man kaduzai he actually just got a rank raised to the same rank i am now so he's a congratulations kadzai he just got that rank raise so now in a two-on-two now we can feed off of each other because it's in a debate style set up as a two-on-two but in a normal environment it was would only be one person speaking. Gotcha. Unless it's necessary. So he's kind of like,

he's kind of like y'all's Pope. Who? The commander. Like the guy at the top. He's kind of like y'all's Pope. Like if he says something, right? Like if he, let's say, you know, you leave the podcast and we go

and he, you know, sends a mass email out or whatever. I don't know. Or like, you know. And he's like, a new doctrine update. We believe this thing. Then everyone holds to it that's under the organization. Yeah. And I would differentiate him from the Pope.

I was actually going to say something more diabolical. I was going to say, except we don't molest kids. That's all I was going to say with that. But the other part, what you just said, he also wouldn't do. So we wouldn't. So we wouldn't. So Commander Jen and Hana would not and cannot say we're going to change a doctrine. Because Commander Jane and Hannah has never done that.

We follow the doctrine of the Bible. And the Bible says if any man, or if we are an angel, bring another doctrine that we know our fathers have learned, let him be a curse. So Commander Jane, and how to wouldn't do that. But he would, and he would and does enforce the word of the most high. And so he is somebody that if he gives orders, we follow. But then the generals under him can do the same thing.

The captains under him can do the same thing. So we all have that ability. And it's a great responsibility, which is why we don't think it's something for everybody that has to be trained. You have to be trained because the Bible is like probably the most disrespected book on the planet. It's the one book where if I was good at basketball and I walked into the Lakers arena and say, hey, man, I've been playing basketball for 10 years. Let me be the starting center.

I can help LeBron James avoid this week. They're going to say, no, you don't have no experience. But anybody can walk in this room right now and pull out a Bible verse and says Ephesians 2 and 12 says this. And he believes he has that authority. Instead of saying like Hebrews 5 and 12 said before you could teach, you must first be taught. So for us, if you're not taught the Bible, you can't teach the Bible. If you're not under a structure or a body, you can't do anything.

So Commander Jen and Hana, if you want to put them as far as rank and put them in that position, yes. But the way the Pope is and the way the commander is, is different. So, but when you say taught, you mean you got to go to the school and then you can teach? Yeah, you got to come up under our school. You've got to be consistent for a certain amount of days. You become a trooper. Then when you have consistency after trooper, then you can get what's called an officer's test.

You get the test with the answers, and you got to be able to get 100% accuracy on that test. And then when you get that test, now you can teach. And then after you begin doing that, where you go from there, it's not like American military where you get ranked for time served. In our school, you get ranked. based on your work and effort.

So if you do nothing, you get nothing. If you do stuff, you get rank. I guess what I'm trying to understand is, well, okay, walk me through a little bit of the core of what you believe, considering doctrine. What we believe is that according to the Bible, the blacks, Latinos, and Native Indians are the true children of God, scattered in the four corners of the earth for our disobedience

of the lost statute commandments that God gave to Moses. When Christ came, Christ came to redeem the children of Israel to that God. Like Matthews 1 in 21 when it says he shall redeem his people. So we believe we are those people. So we make it our business to go out and wake up our people to their identity, give them the lost statute commandments that are in the Bible, and repent and pray to the Most High to go back to our homeland.

And what, and you guys, what do you believe about Jesus? We believe Jesus is the son of the Most High. So he's like in John 316 When it says for God Which is talk about the father So love the world that he gave His only begotten son That whosovo believe it to him

Shall not perish but have everlasting life We believe that world is Israel We believe that whosoever is Doesn't matter what you've done And so for us Christ Without Christ we don't have access to God Okay but you don't believe He is the most high

As in God you just believe he's the son of God Yeah that's what he said So in so in language of, I'm using the language of like in rank. Right. God is superior to the sun. Yes. Okay. Even in like 1st Corinthians, 11 and 3, it says the head of every woman is the man. The head of the man is Christ. The head of Christ is God. And then you believe, so you don't believe in the Trinity. No.

And then when it comes to salvation, it's faith and works. Yes. Correct. Like in James, it says faith without works is dead. Correct. So it's not enough. It's like if you're in a relationship and your woman tell you she love you, you don't think about the word that she said. Your mind immediately thinks about what she's done.

And if she's done the actions of love, you believe it. If she's done the actions opposite, you don't. So it's the same thing with the faith. If we got faith in the most high, your worship your soul that you're not worshipping idols. You're not eating unclean foods. You're not celebrating these holidays that God says. don't celebrate.

So that's how we look at the works. Like Christmas? Yeah, like Christmas. Yeah, you know, that Christmas tree is in Jeremiah. Do you celebrate Christmas? I love Christmas. Man, you do? Honestly, I think it'd be so fun if we got a picture of me, you and Santa.

So let me ask you, you don't think so. Christmas is supposed to be Jesus's birthday, right? Okay, if we're talking like literal, like was Jesus born on the 25th December? No, no, I wasn't going to say that. No, I wasn't going to say that. Okay, okay. So let's say, but it's supposed to be symbolic for Christ's birthday, right? You don't think it's disrespectful that they got some white man from the North Pole getting celebrated

in the same day that the birth of Christ is supposed to be celebrated. Look, I can't personally decide like, oh my gosh, are we going to, you know, eat the cookie and is the fat dude from the North Pole going to give me an Xbox on Christmas Day? Like, I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, it is what it is. But you don't think it's disrespectful? So if Christ is the king, and I'm assuming you believe Christ is God, right? Yeah.

So you don't think it's disrespectful for God to have to share his born day with a made-up Santa Claus? It can become disrespectful, I believe. And like in an idolatry sense, like if you prioritize the Christmas gives over Jesus himself, like that could be like, you know, today I could disrespect God by making this conversation and like, oh my gosh, I got to sit down with cap. Like, yeah, I could focus on that more than Jesus and I would be like slapping him in the face. No, man, because like who you think the kids believe more on December 25th? Do you think they care more about Jesus' birthday or the new PS5 or PS6 that's going to come out?

Oh, I will 100% say there's probably a lot of kids that probably are so stoked for the new PS5. And so then I would follow that up with, does God, let's say if that's true that you're supposed to celebrate his birthday, do you think your God would want to show? share his birthday with someone else? I don't know. Somebody was probably born on Jesus' birthday, too. No, no. Talk about the celebration. Yeah, again, I think

it's about, there's kids, right, that are going to love the PS5 more than Jesus. There's going to be kids that love the candy or the Reese's Cup or the new shoes or whatever it may be or Santa's coming down the Christmas. That's absolutely going to happen. On the contrary, there's also going to be people that don't

care about that, that are like, oh, this is tradition, this is the case, but, you know, it is what it is. Like, we could go for the same thing on Halloween. Like, we could talk about Halloween in the way. That's wicked, too. Man, you know, man's, like, man has made traditions that are awful and things like that. But at the same time, there's also things that I could do on Halloween that aren't partaking

in wickedness. But, yeah, we could do anything. Like, we could do anything wicked on any day. I guess my question is, like, where do you ride the fine line of secularism? Like, for example, with music, right? Like, if a music doesn't blatantly sing worship to the most high. but it doesn't glorify sin. Do you listen to it?

Well, music is not unlawful. I do think you have to watch some of the music that you listen to because music is also spiritual. You can see when David, excuse me, when Saul had that unclean spirit put on him, David can play music that would take that spirit off of him.

So that's the enhancement that music has. music can control. Like in the Christian church, they have their organ where they can play certain chords on the organ to strike a certain vibe on you. If they want you to feel sad, they could play a certain chord. They want you to get excited, they can play a certain chord of music.

So that's music as a whole. So music can present a certain danger if you're not careful. But music in and of itself is not unlawful. So I wouldn't prevent nobody listening to a music, musical song no more than I would prevent them from watching Deadpool and Wolverine. The only danger would become is if when they listen to that music, they then try to act out what they're hearing in the music that's unlawful.

Just like if they watch Deadpool and Wolverine, now they think they're going to put some blades on their hands and then unalive so many people like they did in the movie. So it's really our reaction to a movie or music. I'm using movie as an example of people. so people could just understand. So it's our reaction to music. It's our reaction to the influence because TV, music,

all of the entertainment world does provide an avenue and there is a spirit behind it. So like Ephesians 6 says we wrestle not against principalities, flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places.

So you definitely have to be careful when it comes to music, but you also have to be careful we don't do nothing secular in that sense. So those holidays that we were talking about, all of that is the principalities that we think that come against the most time. But what about the kid that looks at Christmas and says, you know, six-year-old kid, eight-year-old kid or whatever, and they get a gift on Christmas, and they are so grateful that they got a gift. They're just ecstatic or whatever, and, you know, they go to church. And they go, wow, wait, hold on a second.

You know, I got this physical gift or whatever, you know, it's cool. but the greatest gift was Jesus died on the cross for me. And Matthew 16, he tells Peter that it's not by flesh and blood that you've been able to understand that I'm the Christ, but it is a gift from God. They get that revelation. They're like, wow, this is a gift. Could you not say that that same thing you're saying, as long as you don't act out on the wickedness of music, you don't act out on the wickedness of a holiday, but like, you know, there's some traditions of, man, in multiple holidays.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm not really, that's not my thing. I don't know if I'm going to do that. But there's some other things. I'm like, okay, but like Santa given a Christmas gift to a kid and represented generosity. I would say the difference is the intent. I would tell that six-year-old, first of all, we're teaching our kids to lie and believe lies because we know. Because we know. Dude, it's Santa.

But is Santa real? No, he's not real. Now, you know, historically, though, if he was to ever look up St. Nicholas, he was actually a black person. where they copied this from. You can get a book called the Russian icons. They have a picture of St. Nicholas. He's a black man with a red

jacket on. Wow. And he used to give gifts to kids. That's the origin of St. That's why he's called St. Nicholas. St. Nicholas was his actual name. It's in a book called Russian icons. And so what they took with that

folklore or that... Wait, then you guys should love St. Nick then. Let me... Let me finish. I'm trying to understand. You're like dogging on Christmas, and you tell me, I'm like, what? I'm not dogging out St. Nicholas. I'm dogging out Santa, because that's what I'm about to get to.

So now what your people did, they said, let's take this tradition, and let's expand it. So now he's no longer black. Now he's white. He's in the North Pole, got Rudolph with the Red Nosed Reindeer, and he's flying through the North Pole on December 24th, and he delivers gifts all around the world to everybody on the planet earth in less than 24 hours. Because when kids go to sleep at midnight, they're waking up at 5 o'clock, 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock, because they can't sleep through the rest of the night and the gifts are under the tree. So clearly, that is not a real story.

So we're teaching our kids to lie because all throughout our life, you know what they're doing all through our life? They're believing in Santa Claus. They're being good. You know they treat Santa Claus like, God. Think about this. What's the song? He knows if you've been good or bad. Wait, he knows if you...

Bad or good. Bad or good. So be good for a good in his sake. So now, the kid is not being good for God. The kid is being good for Santa. That's biblical. Now, I totally understand that. But what I'm saying, you know, so you think...

Well, that part, with the goodness for goodness sake, like, yeah, that's what I'm saying when you could take a holiday, for example, and make it about something that it shouldn't, idolatry when something matters more than what matters most. Some things can become idolatry, but somethings can't become idolatry. Think about what we're breaking down with Santa. The power they give Santa. We're giving Santa like the craziest time right now. We are.

Who knew we would have talked about Santa for about 15 minutes? Wait, do you think the Santa tracker's demonic? The Santa track was dumb. Oh, dude, you got to learn about the Santa tracker. If you turn on the news, I'm going to be like, yo, Santa's in Argentina right now. Definitely, do mine.

Y'all have, they have took the land of make-believe to a whole other, if they got a Santa tracker, the seduction that they're putting on kids is crazy. And then the same parents that's making their children believe a lie. You know what they don't want their kids to do? They don't want their kids to lie to them. I mean, when I found out, think about that. I mean, when I found out,

So how I found out wasn't no Santa Claus, I was like, I think 10 or 11, me and my sister got out, a twin sister, we wanted bikes. Okay. And I wake up, Christmas see, because I'm hearing this noise. And I peek out my door, and I hear my father and mother in them putting together the bikes.

I'm like, damn, I thought Satan was bringing the bike. I said, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto. Dad ain't making the bikes like that. I'm whispering like that. And when I seen it, they was making the bike. the bikes, I knew that there wasn't no Santa Claus. You know, I found out there wasn't a Santa, dude, I was plotting. I was playing the long

game. So I asked for a GoPro one year. And then I propped the GoPro up the year later, caught my parents on the GoPro. Yeah. Yeah, so I think, I think if we talk about idolatry, and we're trying to avoid

idolatry and faith without works, our faith in the most high, we should give up Christmas if we love the most high. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, you are... Hope your audience, man.

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but it is unlawful for a black man or Latino man or Native Indian to celebrate. It is absolutely unlawful. Whoa. Really? Because 4th of July, think about it says, Fourth of July is about America's independence from the Britons, right? Okay. And black people fought in there.

You know, remember, and I think the third, the third verse of the stars. We're just unlocking crazy Israelite war right now. Man, going. Scratch the doctor. Let's go on to this right now. I appreciate you. Let me break it down. So in the third verse of the Star Spangled Banya, it talks about the slaves, right?

And so as black people are fighting for Americans to break from the Britons, which, if I could backtrack a little bit, they lied on that too. You know, the white Europeans that was in America, they were so soft and scary. They blamed the Boston Massacre on Native Indians. They dressed up as... Listen, they did not want the... I'm telling you, listen, man, when you're going to do the... Dude, you're just making me laugh. Listen, when you're going to do the research,

you're going to see they were so scary that they dressed up as Native Indians when they overthrew all the tea so that the British would think that the Native Indians did it. So now we got to... The Native Indians, my good brothers, got to take the blame for the Boston Tea Party. We fight for their war.

But then when they got their independence, they didn't give us no independence. So when we celebrate 4th century, of July as a black, Latino, Native Indian, you're celebrating America's independence, but you're not celebrating yours. That's why they had to create a Juneteenth.

That's why they have to create a Cinco de Mayo. If Juneteenth, if it was about freedom, then July 4th should have been the freedom of everybody. When that American Constitution says, all men are created equal, but we were still enslaved. It's hard for me to understand how we could all be equal.

Think about America's founding on Christian values, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah. And God loves everybody, right? Dude, you make me laugh. Yes, he does. Yes, he does. But the Christian values still enslaved and pillage, though.

You know, aside, but I don't know how old you are, that y'all are Thundercats. Wait, how old do you think I am? Maybe 26, 27. I'm 22. Okay, all right. Yeah, so y'all are the Thundercats? You ever seen the Thundercats?

You're young. You too young. Listen, I just aged the hell out of myself. The Thundercast is a cartoon with Lion-O, Panthero, Tiger, and all of them, right? And their world was getting destroyed, right? And so they go to a third world, which is Earth. Every cartoon, it goes back to the third world. And when they go back to that third world, they colonize and take over and fight the natives of that land.

That's what y'all are, the Thundercats. But y'all are looked at as the heroes. So when Lionel get that sword and they say thunder, thunder, thunder, everybody screamed because he's the lion. But it's that the suffering of the people of that land. Because when y'all come over here and tell us God loves everybody, we shouldn't have been enslaved. We should have worked together.

The Native Indians wanted to work with the white Christians. Well, sure. Yeah, we can get into that a little bit. I mean, it's up to you. It's your flow. Well, no, no, no. I got a ton of questions. But that was something I wanted to get to at one point was,

well, a couple different things. So I've talked to some Israelites in this, the same guys three times. First time I went in there, they said, black people are the true Israelites. That's it. Point blank period. That's what he said. Right. I'm like, all right.

Well, what about the Latin Americans and the Native Americans? And they were like, nah. And they said no. Right. Second time I went. They said, well, it's the black people and the Native Americans. I'm like, okay, the first time I came here, you didn't say that. Right, right.

And so, and then the third time I went, it was black people, Native Americans, Latin Americans, and Asians. And you went to the same people? The same people three times in the world. That's why we said we're not affiliated because their middle of like sound confused that you was talking to. And they wouldn't even shake my hand.

Yeah, it's not unlawful to shake a hand. Sometimes we might dab, we might do a little dab or something like that. Yeah. Like I even dapped my brother, so that's not even like a black or white thing. But sometimes you do dapp, it's not unlawful to shake hands.

But what I guess what I don't understand is, and I hope you can hear what I'm saying when I say this. Like, you know, these guys are particular, they kept bringing up how white people would rip pages out of the Bible and manipulate the Bible to keep people enslaved. That's true, though. I know it is.

And I would look at him and I say, yeah, that's wrong. Like, I agree that's wrong. But they keep bringing it up. And you kind of mention, like, the enslavement thing. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. Like, let me backtrack. Like, I agree that's wrong. And, like, that breaks God's heart too.

But just because of the wickedness of man, you can't, like, blanket statement God and say, well, God doesn't love everyone because this thing happens. You know when we would stop talking about slavery? And this is something that's hard for European Americans to understand. Because European Americans have experienced justice. They've experienced justice with the American Revolution. They've experienced with Civil War.

World War I, World War II, the Spanish acquisition. There's nothing that American Europeans have been through. where they have not gotten retribution or justice for as a nation. And so when they hear a black person bring up slavery, it's like to happen so, and this is in their mind,

it happened so long ago, why are you still talking about it? Because blacks, Latinos, and Native Indians have never received that same retribution. So white people like yourself would say, it's wrong. And I don't doubt your sincerity of that it's wrong. But saying that it's wrong,

and is somebody actually showing through their actions that it's wrong makes a difference. If you tell a person that is essayed, that it was wrong that they got essay, but they don't see the person that essayed him be judged or punished or something like that, they're never able to get over that. If they still got to be around that,

I remember Chris Rock said, if you're black in America, it's like that uncle that paid your way through college but molested you. that's what the experience of black people you can laugh it's supposed to be able to be like that was like a craziest like comparison I'm like because because that's what America is America is a place where

they took the shackles off of us but every time we would try to build they would find a way to tear it down so when you think about the black cities that we would have when you think about the red line and when you think about the highways like in California all the highways and you look at a lot of the major highways they go through black towns that they would have to take away those black towns from black people to expand the highway.

So we have suffered, even though we've loved America. I don't think there's nobody that loves America more than us. We love America more than white people. We were fighting your wars. We were built it. Right now we're looking for the next president to vote for. There's nothing that we won't give for America, but we have not seen reciprocity from it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. What is enough then? You know what I mean? Like what then for you would you say is enough to just, not justify, but make right? My life. Yeah. So just. Not you specifically, but your life, that would be justice.

In what way? Like just me dying? Yeah. I mean, or like God said, he that lead in the captivity shall go into captivity. He that unalive with the sword must be unalive with the sword. here is the patience and the faith of the saints. So y'all have had the opportunity to make it right what you did to the indigenous people of this land, the people that you imported in this land. You've had the opportunity to give them land back.

There's nothing more valuable than that. Okay, so God wants justice. Like, I would agree. God is a just God. Against the enemies of the children of it. Point blank period. Right. But when we look at justice, that's why.

me as a Christian, I'm drawn to Jesus because it's like if I put faith in Jesus what he did on the cross, then I get the grace of God and the justice for my sins was inflicted on Christ. Or if I don't put my faith in trust in Jesus, then I pay for my sins with my own life. Did the children of Israel have to pay for the sins that their fathers did? In the Old Testament? And it knew. Yeah, that Israel was wandering in the desert for 40 years. They were punished. Well, Jerusalem fell in 70 AD too.

It did too. Because of the sins of their father, right? Even for the innocent Israelites, all the Israelites wasn't bad. Yeah, good Israelites, but we still were judged as a nation. So America would be judged as a nation, too. That's why I'm saying, I speak in general. You even think he may say we in certain things because I'm not a sinner. I don't break the commandments of God, but when I speak, I'll say we.

So I'm definitely not talking about you as Bryce. But America has to pay as a. nation for what they've done, they've shed the most. Now, I won't say the most, because when you go through history, you got some people that did some bloodshed, but they've shed the blood of the blacks,

Latinos, and Native Indians over here. And so the Bible says that they have to pay for that. So when you say reparations and stuff like that, even reparations, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reparations, but you see, for all the liberals, Democrats, and Republicans, none of them would give black people reparate.

I think that's a pipe dream that black people are chasing. They're not going to get reparations. So the same people that say, and when I'm saying people now talk about people in position of power to actually give reparations, they'll say we love everybody, but they don't plan on doing anything for the victims of slaves and stuff like that. Why do you think black people are now saying that the FBAs, foundation of black Americans, they're trying to establish an identity that was taken from them? So, you know, that's how I look at it.

So when the book of Jude talks about vengeance being the Lord's, right? And you believe in judgment, death. Absolutely. And grace. Well, hold on. Let me, sorry, let me backtrack a little bit. So, like, you know, a lot of people talk about the Old Testament being like God and the Old Testament's a God of wrath and the God of New Testament's like a God of

love or whatever. But I... It's worse than a New Testament. I think there's some, I mean, striking Anonai since the fire down is pretty intense. Yeah. you got a bunch of stuff in there. But I love the book of Josea and how he's married to Gomer

and Gomer's cheating on him every night and sells herself for sex in the street every night, which is insane. God's like, go marry a prostitute, and he's like, what? And then he goes and does it. And then she's on the sex slave market and he buys her back off the sex slave market,

even though she's constantly rejected him. Now, in that moment when Jose is looking at going on the sex slave market after she's already cheated on him so many times and he's looking at her, why wouldn't he just have the same mentality you guys have right now and go, nah, you know what? Yeah, you're not worth a penny. You deserve to be beaten and bruised and no one love you and no grace for you and you deserve justice. You deserve this up there. Why isn't that the case? Why is it that Jose abys her back? As this note, today you will be

faithful to me forever and you're you're now my wife because when you read in hosea that is a parable that is a metaphor about the children of israel yes and so the same way you can read in hosaiah you're reading jeremiah the third chapter when the lord gave us a bill of divorce and put us away for adultery so it's not literal adultery it's spiritual adultery by serving other gods but in hosea 1 and 11 after he cuts us off he says the children of israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured and in a place where it say you are not the children of God,

they shall be called the sons of the living God. So the reason why Josea is taking her back is because God is taking us back. So when you make it to today, I, like, we're violent, not you. I'm going to talk about my people now. We're violent to each other. We abuse each other.

Black and brown, don't get along, but it's prophesied for us to come back together. So when I go to a reservation, when I go to a burial, when I go to a ghetto, when I go anywhere where my people are, even though they could have been violent to me, they're violent to each other. It is my duty to bring them back together because that's what God said. But I have not read a verse where God said, I have to go to nations that are not mine and then bring them back together with me because those are the enemies that God is going to destroy. So there's two types of enemies. There's one enemy that God, that the New Testament calls the son of

perdition. Remember in Second Thessalonian, it says, the coming of the Lord can't come until there's a falling away of the man who exalted and opposed himself against all that is God. So when you think about that, that's Europeans. Like this shirt that I have on, you see this man right here? Yeah, that's a crazy issue. Yeah, you see it's called the imposter. Because this is who they say Jesus Christ was. But when you go into the Bible, it doesn't describe him like this image. Wait, so is that y'all's like merch? Yeah.

Brother in my school made this. He made the pants. Wait, I made the shirt. I want to know, so the school makes all the wristbands and the hats and stuff like that. The headpieces. I ain't bring the headpiece and the wristband because I didn't know if TSA would, because they have spikes and stuff on them.

Oh. So I ain't know if they would look at that. I ain't want them confiscating my my stuff. Otherwise, I would have had that, too. But yeah, we make all this ourselves. How do I get one of those? You can't. You can't get no headpiece. You got to be a priest to wear that headpiece. I'm not like a headpiece, but like, you know. Oh, if you want a shirt? I mean, you know, maybe not a shirt. I'm thinking like a wristband or something. Like a wristband or something, you know. Like a wristband or something, you know. I don't care of man. You ain't going to wear the shirt. I just want a wristband. I want something

fun, you know, like I want some... I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure. You can. You can. I don't know, man. I'm pretty short, you go to the biker club. Y'all probably got some fly stuff. I can't even ride an e-bike. No, no, just to go to, like, them bike stores, they probably got some wristbands you can wear. I was as reserved for priests. Hey, quick pause. Most people never go deeper in their Bible because they don't know where to start. It feels like you need seminary just to get past the surface so you don't even try. That's actually what our sponsor, Logos fixes. And if you've never heard of it, it's not just another Bible app. It's a full study library. Commentaries, original languages, the voices of the church, all in one place and actually easy to use.

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The chain is wild. Yeah, the chain. This was a gift from a brother by the name of Baba Haru. I actually got this gift for beating up Africans. What? Not physically beating them up, but like debating Africans. I was going to say that. So when I first put it.

Yeah, I got gifted a chain for beating people. Yeah, for beating people. All right. People get what was, you know, anyway. So when I do the debates, I was debating a lot of people into Egyptian beliefs and stuff. like that. A lot of people... Like Egyptian idolatry? Yeah, so a lot of our people

believe in that. I think they believe in that because the white man believe in it. But they believe in all that. Seriously. Because when you think about... Keep going. Keep going. Wait, no, let me get it out. Because out of all the African tribes, like there's 40 countries in Africa, it just so happened that the same

country that black people idolized, which is Egypt, is the same country that America idolized, which is also Egypt. That's why I say that. Okay. Because then you got Ethiopia. You got Nubia. You got other kingdoms that were great as well. Why I focused on Egypt? So when I used to do a lot of debates against them,

and the brother that made it actually believes in Egyptian culture. But I did so much damage in what they call the concert community that he made this as a gift for me. And he also made this ring. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, this ring is pretty big, but I'm big, so it works out. Yeah, like fits you well. Yeah, definitely. If I got to ever put this on somebody's forehead.

Right. Yeah, so, but, but the falling away. So when it comes to the falling away, this kingdom, whoever created this image and perpetrated this image, they have to fall away for Christ's kingdom to return. And that's where, you know, unfortunately, that's where Christianity comes in that because they created this. So you keep mentioning the white man.

How do you feel about me? You personally? Yeah. Personal white people. I feel how whatever your reputation earns. So like when I came in here and we chopped it up and you see we laugh and joking, that's real. I'm not, there's no front.

Because I don't, I'm not judging you as I'm judging all your ancestors and stuff like that. So I can come in here, I can talk with you, I can have a conversation with you. Now, let's flip it. Let's say if I came in here and you is like an a hole, if you was extremely pompous, then my response would be different.

But that's a one-to-one basis. Sure. But when we talk about white people in general, we'll just talk about a collective, which y'all should be used to that because y'all created all the statistics. Y'all created this stigma of white and black and Latino and who commits the most crime,

who doesn't commit the most crime. Y'all created the racism that they say we are. like we can't be racist. I could be prejudiced, but I can't be racist because I have not created a system or put a system in place that has the statistics that y'all create. So you only believe racism is systematic. Yeah, systematic racism. So let me clarify the question about me being white. Talking about considering the ISUPK's perspective of me as a white man, do you believe that I'm going to go to heaven?

No. There's no hope for me because of my skin color. As a servant. What the heck does that? mean? Meaning in Isaiah 14 and in Isaiah 60. So I'll give you the nice version first. And Isaiah 14, it says, the Lord will have mercy on Jacob and yet choose Israel. And the strangers shall cleave unto them. And it said the children of Israel shall take them captives whose captives they were. And they shall possess them for bond maids and handmaids. So that's the nice way that you'll be in the

kingdom. You'll be in a kingdom as a servant. So if Israelite makes it into the kingdom, and let's say you make it, you'll be his slave or his servant. And then Isaiah the 60th chapter says the nation that would not serve shall perish. We call that to get down or lay down. Wait, okay. Okay, so, all right, so then here's my follow-up question of that. There's some Israelites in San Antonio. And I saw the video. I still think today it is the funniest video I've ever seen in my life because I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. Right. But they're forcing this dude to get down and kiss

their feet. And the dude is... It might have been my group. Obviously intoxicated. The guy's obviously intoxicated. It might have been my group. It might have been your group, but I thought that video was hilarious. Yeah, we get a lot of people to... We get a lot of white people to get on their knees. Because you got some white people...

Bro, what the heck? You get some white people that are actually sorry for what their ancestors did. So we don't make them So we'll be out there teaching. And so as we're teaching, because it's in a public space, so anybody can hear what we're saying. And so it might catch the ear of this remorseful white guy or white woman.

And they'll hear, well, I'm sorry. Like, okay, well, if you say you're sorry and we'll read Isaiah, I think 49 and 23, and it says they'll get on their knees and they'll kiss the boots. And they will get on their knees and they will actually kiss and say, I'm sorry for what my ancestors did. So that's the only way that a white person can apologize. Because earlier, you can go to our website and empty out your bank account. You can go to, you can click the Tides and Donations link.

So. And just donate. So, you know, because earlier, you know, we brought up the slavery thing. And I was like, no, no, no, like, I'm right there. Like, I think that's wrong. And you're like, yeah, like, I hear the sincerity. Right. I didn't have to get on my knees and kiss your feet for me to go, hey, look, like, I think that's wrong.

And I'm not saying that, like, me personally, like, when the brothers do it, It's good for the mental of black people because black people look up to y'all. You know, I like sitting and I like debating white people because black people look up to white people so much that if I can confound a white person, it means more. So on the street, if we can get a white person on their needs, when blacks and Latinos see it, they're like, damn, who is, what type of power does he have to make this white one, especially if it's a white woman, to make this white woman do it or make this white woman do it or make this white man. man do it. Me personally, I don't really need that. So, so, okay, I'm going somewhere with this. Okay. The image on your shirt is obviously a white Jesus. Right. You don't believe he's white. You believe he's black. Right. Okay. So if Jesus was black and the Bible says that Jesus didn't come to be served, didn't come to be served, but to serve, right? Then why is it that you seek people who,

again, like I'm 22. I wouldn't alive for slavery. I personally have absolutely nothing to do it. That's born in 2003. Damn. I have said... What year were you born? 75. Okay. Okay.

These things say, damn, like Kevin Hart. And so, you know, I'm bored in 2003. I have nothing to you. I'm like, man, sincerely, I think that's wrong. That breaks God's heart. I believe that, according to the Christian perspective, it breaks God's heart that white people would rip pages out of the Bible and manipulate

the Bible into keeping slaves enslaved. Right. Like, I'm right there with you. But the heart of God, is to seek justice while also at the same time, he quotes, Jesus himself quotes from Josea, in Matthew 11. He says, after he says to the Pharisees,

when Jesus is at Matthew's house and he's having the dinner, and the Pharisees are like, he's basically like, what is a guy like that doing with people like that? And Jesus says, I've come to heal the sick for the healthy, they don't eat the doctor. They did have sick, have no need of a physician. And then he says, go and hear what this means, go and figure out what this means.

I desire mercy and not sacrifice. That's still only to Israel, though. And this is the big question, which I know this is the whole premise is who is Israel. So when it comes to your eschatology on the end times, are you guys pre-tribulation? What do you mean about pre-tribulation? You know, like the three and a half years and stuff like that?

Like there's going to be this sneaking, like God's going to sneakily come back, Jesus is going to sneakily return and take his. his bride to Israel up to the sky. No, I ain't read nothing where it's going to be sneaky. As far as the tribulation goes, from the time that Christ was unalived and resurrected, that's been the tribulation. And we've been waiting for his return since then. So in Desolonians, I believe Paul says in the twinkling of an eye, the unalived in Christ will rise first.

And then those of us that are alive will get caught up to him. And everybody would see it. even in Revelation is, I think, the 11th chapter, when it talks about the two witnesses, it says, I beheld them being taken up in front of the enemies. So everybody will see that. So the tribulation is happening from that time up until now. I mean, if we see like with the way that state of Israel is going to war with everybody,

they got Trump by the balls with the whole Epstein, so he can't even say no, so he letting him get away with whatever it is. want and Iran is not going away as easy. We can see the third woe, like in Revelations, it says two woes is past, another war was coming. So we know that the third woe is told by the Third World's War. And so we can see that we're getting closer. And the closer we get to that, the closer we get to Christ's return. So that's how we look at it. When it comes to the judgment, Revelation's 18 and 6 says reward unto her double in reference to Babylon, which we believe

America is Babylon because that's the melting pot of every foul spirit. Like you can be everything. You can be a man. You can be a woman. You can, I saw a video where a woman was a dog to a real dog came and bit the hell out. Oh, I did see that video. Yeah, I saw that video.

She was on the ground. Burr, and then a real dog must have been mad at the impersonation. And he started attacking her. So you can be everything that you want to be in this place called Babylon. So let's say a white person genuinely repents, believes in Jesus Christ, lives by the Bible. Right. Are they going to heaven?

No. Okay, do you believe that the white man is the devil? Absolutely. Wow. You know, the word devil just means deceiving. John 844 when Christ said, yeah, of your father, the devil, he wasn't talking to white people. He was talking to his fellow Israelites, the Pharisees, and saying who their daddy was. was, which was the Romans, who were the white people that he was working for.

So when we say devil, it's not that a black person can't be a devil. But when you talk about the devil, like who quantifies deception, thievery, lust, envy, unaliving, that is the white man. There ain't a greater devil on the planet. I really want to talk about the Israel thing because I think that's important. Yeah. Because that's y'all's whole deal is you guys are the true Israelites And Jesus came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel

And all the other stuff And really outside of like just y'all's theology Theology of on who the Israelites are in the Christian realm That's still a big deal because it deals with the end times from our perspectives Right but y'all believe that all of us are Israel right Like with spiritual Israelite Yeah so so the perspective and I I don't know if I can necessarily speak for, I think I can speak strongly for everyone,

but essentially my perspective of Israel, according to the Bible, is Old Testament Israel is a literal nation and a literal people group. And it's still that people group when Jesus is existing. He is speaking directly to the Israelites as a nation in the New Testament. Because when Jesus entered into time and space in his physical body, he's limited his power in a sense, where he can't be in Austin, Texas, and Israel at the same time. So he's speaking to the Israelites. But when we read Romans 9 through 11, and we can talk about being grafted into the tree,

because I know you love talking about that, because I loved your conversation with God logic, if something is cut off, something new has been grafted into it, it says that that has been grafted in, has been given the right to become the children of Abraham, and who are the children of Abraham? They would be Israel.

And so now Israel goes from being a literal people group, or sorry, a literal nation to a people group. Whereas like I would say, if I'm a believer in Jesus Christ, and my black friend is a believer in Jesus Christ, we're both Israel. Therefore, we receive salvation. Yeah, that ain't in the Bible, though. In Romans 9 through 11. And Romans, I would, if I was you, I would never read Romans of the 9th chapter if you want that to be Israel. Because when you read Romans 9 and 4, says, who are Israelites to whom pertain the adoption? So now only Israelites get the adoption and the promises.

And it says whose fathers we are and of whom concerning Christ came. And so then it says if you're the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise accounted for the seeds. So in Romans 9 and 4, Paul says the children of Israel are the children of the promise. So if he says only the children of the promise accounted for the seed, then only Israelites are the seed. So when the book of Revelation talks about how there will be every nation tribe and tongue represented in heaven, Israel's one nation. Actually, prophetically, when you go to Genesis 35, when God told Jacob that he would become a company of nations, we can go to Genesis 40, I think it's 40, could be 42, when Ephraim was prophesied to be a company of nations, when Sarah and Genesis 18, when she was told she would be a mother of nations. So in Genesis, which means the beginning, it's a prophecy of what the children of Israel would become.

So children of Israel being scattered into those other nations would become those nations. And so that's why in Revelation 7, when it talks about us coming out of those nations, that's why I'm saying that. So like, I'm called a so-called black person. But really, I'm an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. So he's going to gather all the blacks in America. then he's going to gather the Latinos in America, but then he's going to go to Africa and he's going to gather the Israelites out of Angola,

Baswana, Mozambique, then he's going to go gather the Israelites out of Sydney, Australia. Then he's going to go to China and gather the Israelites. Now, those Israelites that are in those lands will be called Angolians or Sydenians or Chinese. So that's what the Revelations 7 and 9 is talk about, Revelations 5 and 9 is talking about. Because, again, if the children of the promise are only Israelites,

You can only, he can only be talking about Israelites throughout the book. So my wife is one-eighth the Mexican. What's her dad? So, well, this is wild. So I'm dropping some crazy lore right now. But her mom had, her parents, her dad served in Vietnam. So when he went off to Vietnam, my wife's mom's mom had an affair and got pregnant from a Mexican golfer. So she is half Mexican.

Maddie's mom is half Mexican. That made Maddie an eighth Mexican. But what is her dad? Maddie's dad? White. And she's white. Even though she has ethnicity and a part of her ethnicity is... But that's on her mother's side.

If you would have told me that story and said, your wife's father's half Mexican or something like that, then maybe. Because biblically speaking, you are what your father is. Even in science, you are what your father is. What is DNA? DNA is a mixture of the mommy and the dad. The chromosome, the 23 chromosomes, yes. But you know, a woman is X, X, X, like her ovary is X, X.

A man is X, Y. So we determine the gender. We determine the ethnicity because our sperm, because with men, our sperm is already male or female identified by us. a woman just receives that sperm. That's why even it looked like a little tabhole with the brain and the spine that attaches. You know, the placenta comes from a man.

It doesn't even come from a woman. All of that comes from us because we make up what the child is. So although you get the same amount of chromosomes, 23, from both sides, the part of the DNA that determines who you are ethnically comes from your father. That's why even when a mother, when a woman goes for, you ever do them ancestry

I've yet to do mine So when you do an ancestry test When a woman goes and get it She can't get her full Paternal side Because she doesn't carry the wide chromosome Whereas a male He's going to get the paternal side

And the maternal side From both sides So if like we always say like Bob Mali is a white man He's not black Really? Yeah because Bob Molley's father is white Wow

Like Bob Mali looks like his father in blackface, like his nose, excuse me, his eyes, his nose, his nose, his little lips. What do you guys think about, like, people with Down syndrome or people with autism or, you know, people with disabilities, people born without limbs, or

things like that. Some of that could be judgment. Some of that could just be defects that have passed down genetically. So, you know, there's some, you know, like you could read in John 9 and 1, you could be born blind from a judgment from the Lord. Some of it just could just be genetic. some of it could be from inbreeding,

from, you know, brother and sister sleeping with each other or uncle and, you know, that type of stuff that takes place. So it just depends on, you know, that's why I'm important to see your tree. Like, you should do a genetics test sometimes before you have a kid to see if you have that type of thing

in your history. Like, I have a daughter that has Down syndrome and her mother's side of the family has that. She just didn't think that it would occur to our kid, but that just, it just so happens like that. Are you married? Yeah, I have a couple of wives. A couple of wives.

Yeah. How many wives do you have? The internet says 47, so I'm going to go with 47. What? Dude, I have so many questions for you because I just like, I'm so fascinated by the Israelite theology. And I just think, yeah, I just think I got so good questions. Listen, man, I try to answer as many.

I don't know how long you're going to have me here, but I have it long. you have me here. I try to answer as many. I don't say how many wives I have specifically because people have been trying to pin that down for so long. So 47 is just a good number. All right. Can I ask you this? Is it greater than 47 or less? No, it's less than. It's way less than. Okay. Okay. Way, way, way, way, way less than I'm not. My insanity can only go so far. Okay. Yes. I, you know, it's not, it's not even double digits. Okay. So it's not even that high. No, it's not. Well, it's enough. I just get him to say the number. I don't want anyone to know.

I'm like, okay, it's less than 10. Okay. That's good enough. Okay. So, yeah, I've, dude, I've got so many questions. You know what's crazy about the wife thing, though? Most people say a man can't have more than one wife, but two men can get married. Think about that.

I don't agree with you. No, I'm not saying you agree. I'm talking about society. I'm not talking about you personally. So in society, even though the Bible says a man can have more than one woman, even though Christ liking the kingdom of heaven to one man married. and 10 women. That is still frowned upon, but two men can marry.

You can marry. Two women can marry. You can marry a dog. You can do all of that. So why can't a human being marry both Jesus and the world? If you can have more than one wife. Right? So going on, like Jesus would be considered the bridegroom.

That's the metaphor I gave. That's when he's the, in that metaphor, Matthew the 25th chapter, he's the groom. And then the women, it's 10 women that got to keep their candles with. Yeah, the five virgins with the oil and the five without. Yeah, and so he ended up marrying five women. That's a whole metaphor, though. It's a whole parable. Why would he use something that you can't do as a kingdom of heaven?

Well, because according to the Galilean wedding, like the bridal party for a woman would be 10. So that perspective of 10. Did you say cap? I said that's cap. What? How's like that? He's not making it. It ain't one woman he getting married to, and this is the grooms, excuse me, his bride, the bride's maids.

This ain't the bridesmaids. These are all women he going to marry. No, no. That is, dude, okay, all right. I'm not going to, like, go back and forth to you all this because I'm just going to, I'm going to keep moving for the same of the story. Oh, okay. Let's see. With the story.

But if, so if Jesus is the bridegroom and his bride would be considered believers, right, or according to you guys, Israelites. But let's just use the- But believers is fine. Why can't a believer both be married to Jesus and... Because it wasn't given to non-Israelites. It wasn't given to a Chinese or Japanese. You know, it's unlawful to even marry Chinese and Japanese. You know, Moab and Amin?

What do you mean unlawful? Are you talking about... In Deuteronomy 23, you can't marry a Moabite or an Ammonite. They can't even come in the congregation. Dude, you guys are... I don't even know what to think, because I've been... It's like hearing the craziest stuff right now. I don't even know what to say.

That's what you're the children of incest. Sorry, this has nothing to do with what you just said. It just came into my mind. Right. What do you think is going to happen to me on Judgment Day? You'll probably be a servant. Okay. Well, you won't get destroyed.

You're going to bow down. You look like when they come down to get down or lay down, you're going to bow down and say, no, I want to live. I don't want to die. What? I don't even know. So Isaiah's 60th chapter says, I know what you mean by that.

I'm just like, I don't even know how to, I don't even know how to respond to it. So you're going to have the option. Live or unalive. So what happens to, okay, don't take me. What happens to the white man on Judgment Day? A lot of them are going to be unaligned. Because they're going to try to fight. Like right now, you see how they unleashed, they released all them,

the UFO files? You know what, you know why that is? Because they know, like, back in the 80s, Ronald Reagan gave a UFO speech and he said, I wonder if we would put our differences aside if there was something that came from another realm. And he's not talking to us. He's talking about the other powers on the planet,

the Russia, the Italy, all the people that had weapons. So when they released them files, they want you to believe that these are UFOs, that these are aliens. So that when Christ returns, what would the earth believe? This is Independence Day. We have to fight them. And so the white man and the other angels or powers are going to try to fight Christ.

So a lot of them are going to get destroyed through that. You know, the lake of fire would be America burning. Because when I talked to the Israelites in Hollywood Boulevard, he told me I was going to get whipped 39 times. And then after the 40th time, he was going to do it all over again. Did you piss him off or something? No, I literally, I was like, I was like, what the heck? He was like, he was like, read them. Read this white boy his judgment.

Jesus Christ. And then that's right. That's right. And then he flips the Bible. And then he's like, you've read something. He's like, you're going to get whipped 39 times, boy.

And then the 40th time. That's the specific number. He got a number in mind. I'm like, I'm like, dude, what the heck? Yeah, I can't say what type of whipping. I could say the Bible says reward her double as she rewarded unto you.

But you'll be like Isaiah 60. It says the nation that will not serve shall perish. So when we round all y'all up, you got the option. to serve, hey, what you want to do here? You want to serve or what you want to do? Round all of us up. It's crazy.

Like Jeremiah 16 says I was saying for many fish and they were fishermen. So we're in fishing season. You ever seen Bugs Bunny? Like, what season is it? Rabbit season. Duck season? So right now we're in the fishing season. What the heck does that mean?

So fishing is like when you go out teaching. So you know, we don't advocate violence. We don't advocate violence. I see what you're saying my fishing season. Okay. You're going to be a fish earthman. You're going to go teach the thing. So we don't advocate violence.

I don't want no harm to come to nobody. You have the right to defend yourself. But then there'll come a time when we'll hunt men. That's what the Bible says. And what is that made. Exactly what it sounds like. We're going to hunt and round you up. That last.

The funniest thing to me is like as you're saying that, your guy right here is like, no, this is in the background. I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, dude, what is going on? I'm like. Because that's what the Bible said. Jeremiah 51 to 20 says Israel is my battle acts. With it, while I break in pieces, the nations.

So would you agree that every prophecy in the Bible has to be fulfilled, right? Yeah. So then Israel has to break in pieces the nations. Y'all are so interesting, man. I got to... Yeah. Yeah, I just got to clarify. I think this is...

I'm picking your brain and asking these questions because... You're doing a good job, by it. Normally, normally when I get into conversation or when I've, I've only ever tried attempted debates. And every time I do the debates on the street, it's like the microphone they give me somehow a significantly less lower. Yeah. I want you to be heard. And then, hey, thank you. Thank you.

And so I'm mainly asking questions because I really want to understand what y'all believe. And I want people to hear it. I obviously disagree. I know you know that. Right, right. And your audience knows that. Yeah. And I think your audience knows.

that you have to let, when, and I've done this before, when you interview people, if you debate them too much, you're going to miss out on all the questions. Yeah. So you have to let me say all my crazy stuff. So let me ask you this. You mentioned earlier. I think I'm in pretty good, too. You've been really awesome.

My language, you know, because I'm on this good Christian channel. Hey, I really, you know, I am, I don't have any, what do you call it, like, pre-perceived notions about people? Like I never make an assumption about people. First Corinthians, everyone quotes like, you know, love is patient, love is kind. But it says love hopes all things. So like, you know, I want to hope the best. And I never make a preconceived notion. But I've really enjoyed hanging with you.

You mentioned earlier that you grew up Christian. Right. My grandfather was a pastor. When did you become an Israelite? When I was 32 is when I started, 31, 32, something like that. when I started getting exposed to being Israelites and finding out more about the Bible. Prior to that, I had kind of gave up being called the word Christian because of the whole Christmas thing. One of the pastors, the church, my mother was going to, started losing faith in that.

But I always would follow the Bible. I was almost a Muslim when Malcolm Mexican movie came out and he did this here. and was controlling him. That was some powerful stuff right there. But because the Bible always said false prophets would come, I always looked at Muhammad as a false prophet. Police be upon him. Always have to make sure I say that.

Because he's a PDF. You know, Muhammad was a PDF. He was with the underage girl. And what's crazy is they, whenever I battle Muslims on that, like Arab Muslims, not black Muslims because there's a difference. The Arab Muslims fight to defend that that's okay. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, you just pull up a, what is, Saria al-Bakari, 51, that Hadith, and you're just like, it says it right here.

And then they all say something different. Some of them say... I battled Sheikh Uthman. Uh-huh. And they kind of, I don't want to say trick me, but the debate was, I thought it was, so it was like, is the Bible the word of God? So I thought we was going to have a back and forth where I could attack the Quran. They could attack the Bible. But it was more so I had to just only defend the Bible.

Oh, okay. So I said, how? how am I going to get to talk about Muhammad being a PDF? And so I worked it in when he tried to trash the Bible. I said, yeah, like the Quran, you know, Muhammad is a PDF. Police be upon him. He should be on Epstein Island. And so that allowed us to actually have the conversation.

And they really tried to defend it. And he was like, and then I found out that that wasn't Aisha's first courtship. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, so Aisha's first courtship was to another man before Muhammad came. But she's six. You know what type of nasty work that is And then they try to say Sarah, not Sarah, Rebecca was

Was three or something like that Which is not in the Bible With some commentary that some guy does afterwards And it was You know about the dolls thing About like the girls with the women playing with the dolls In Islam? So it says that

Like if it was shameful If like a woman played with dolls So if it references a girl playing with dolls That means she's a minor And they're like best they're like leading theologian of Islam theology in the commentary book he points it out

and it's like yeah she's playing with dolls she's really a minor and they're all sent it to you but it was it was interesting that's crazy and so I wouldn't call myself a Christian so I would just call myself a follower of Christ and then when I started finding out I was an Israelite I couldn't turn the light off like once that light

came on I started getting a way better on standing of the text and the Bible, the Spirit of the Lord, what I should do. And so I just, you know, just started following that. Do you think you could be wrong? Nope. Is that not pride? No, it's not pride. That's my belief in the most high. When the Bible says, here's what I stand on so you know it's not pride. In Romans the third chapter says, let God be true in every man a liar. So if anybody was there ever show me something in the Bible that could show what I believe, is not true, I would have no choice but to follow it. So in the book of Acts, Paul, he was in

Athens, and then he goes to the Aeropagus in the book of Acts. I think it's Acts chapter 18. And he kind of talks about how all these people, they have a shadow of God. And I think it's interesting. I think every religion has a shadow of God, every doctrine, a shadow. That doesn't mean it's the truth, but there can be like a bit of something in there. Like morality, for example, like a Muslim prays a lot more than some Christians do. They give a lot more than some Christians do. Yeah, but I'm just saying in general, right? Muslims pray in general a lot more than some Christians do.

They give a lot more than some Christians do. So there's like some aspects of morality, scratch the God part, just morality, that I'm like, okay, there's a shadow of God in there or there's a shadow of here. But it's like, who has the fullness of God? Yeah, we don't have a shadow. We got the light. Like when Christ said, let your light shine, we is not in no shadow. We let that light shine.

See, we would say Christians would say we have the light. Not, not, well, I was saying, not celebrating Christmas would say that they have the light. Yeah, but y'all celebrating Christmas and Easter and all of that, you're putting yourself right back back. Do you do Thanksgiving? Hell no. What about St. Patrick's Day? Hell no. No holidays.

Nope. Only holidays. New Year's Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread. Like the holidays that God told us to celebrate. That's what I said. New Year's, no New Year's. How can you have a New Year in the dead of winter? Think about that.

Like, ooh, New Year. Yeah. How you? Nothing? No. Dang. No Valentine's Day. So you're telling me, if I invited you over for Thanksgiving, you would say no.

I'd be like, no, I'm good. Just because of the holiday or because I'm white? I wouldn't say because you was white because you invited me for this interview and I came. Yeah, true. Because of the holiday, I would be disrespecting my Native Indian brothers. How could we celebrate the slaughter of, like, your holiday comes at the expense of the people that you say God love. Do God love Native Indians? Yeah.

So I celebrate a holiday that's about the bloodshed of Native Indians. I get what you're saying. I guess would you celebrate National Donut Day? No. I don't know when that is. But that's not, that wouldn't be a pagan holiday. Like when I mentioned Juneteen, Juneteenth is not a pagan holiday. Cinco de Mayo is not a pagan holiday.

Oh, you do Cinco de Mayo? I've never celebrated it. I've never celebrated Juneteen. I never even really heard of Juneteenth until I became an Israelite. The Haitian in January on New Year's, Haitians celebrate their independence. So I don't look at those as pagan holidays. That's why when you brought up a Fourth of July, I said that's not a pagan holiday, but it is a holiday. It's a pagan for black, right, for us.

I see what you're saying. From a moral standpoint. So from a moral standpoint, Thanksgiving is unlawful. Well, Thanksgiving is unlawful because it's about the bloodshed of other Israelites. Cinco do Mayo is so fun because you go to the Mexican restaurant. They got like the colorful chips, you know, so it's like. You know what's crazy about that? Why do people celebrate single do Maya on support ice at the same time?

That's now apollical. So, so tell me a little bit. about, I got a couple other questions that we'll get to in a minute. I just kind of want to understand a little bit. I don't know a lot about politics. Like if you named, you were talking, you... They were so nice. If I could sidebar, they were so nice.

I just want to highlight. They bought me some drawings. They got me some chocolate chip cookies. Because he asked me, and you got the famous Amish. Listen, famous Amos chocolate chip cookies. They're, them is good. You know, I broke my diet because, you know, I kind of, I'm a semi-health

nut. So I do work out, go You're a big guy. Yeah, yeah. Six, five, 250. Dang. Yeah. You know, I played D-Line, my freshman year of high school? You played D-Line, huh?

Yeah. Yeah, I was literally the slant tackle on defense. At this size. I was way smaller. I was like 5, 10, maybe 115 pounds, and then the guy at center was 6, 3, 280. The guy next to you. You were good? Was you good?

I got like, I played, I started on JV, and then I got one bit of playing time on Vars. because we were up really high in a game, and I got on the return team, receiving team, on special teams, and I got blind. I got blindsided by this really big dude. Heard didn't play no more, did you? Not in varsity, but that was also the only year. I wrestled, so I wrestled for seven years.

Okay, so in a wrestling, because you have weight, you have weight classes for that. But when you say D-Line, I think of more bulkier. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, I should have not been playing D-Line. I should have maybe been... Your coach didn't like you. Maybe.

Yeah, maybe not. But, you know, it's cool. Was you an asshole or something like that? No, I was actually pretty much, I grew up in the South, so I'm from Georgia. And so I don't know, I was raised with manners. I was always tried to be respectful. He didn't like you. The coach didn't like you.

They said, put him on a D-line. That's okay, you know. It was fun. I like it. I like action, you know. So even if I was getting hurt, I was glad that I was at least, you know, getting some sort of action on the playing field, you know, because sometimes like, you know, if you play safety or, or corner, you know, lovely positions.

Yeah, those are good positions. But sometimes if they're running the ball, you can't do anything, you know, whereas like it doesn't matter if they're passing or throwing, passing or running, you're hitting every time. And I always had fun with that. But I liked wrestling because you can't blame the loss on anyone but yourself. You know what I mean? That's one to one.

So I did like that. I did like that. Dang, well, thanks for coming on. I appreciate you, Cap. I appreciate you having me on. Hey, thank you, Captain. Shake the white man's hand and everything. Look at that, man.