The Bryce Crawford Podcast - Bryce Crawford Interviews Tucker Carlson (EP 174)

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Bryce Crawford Interview Tucker Carlson

pornography, more than any other thing I'm convinced, should be banned immediately and the people put on the internet should be in jail. All the porn sites are controlled by governments and intelligence. So nothing you go to on a porn site. You know, it's all being stored and will be used against it if necessary. The real threat is only fans, Tinder. These are threats to the civilization. What's going on guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryce. And today I have an incredibly special guest. I've been looking forward to having sitting down and having a conversation. My dad's also extremely excited about this one. We have Mr. Mr. Tucker Carlson with us.

Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. I've been really excited about this. Well, I have been too. And pick your brain. And I, you know, I think podcasts always do the, oh, you know, where are you from? And they spend 30 minutes getting like a backstory, you know, on someone. But I got a lot of interesting thoughts I want to get into with you.

So if you could, like, condense like, you know, how did you become a Christian? You know, you're obviously a Christian. Where are you from? What was that upbringing like? Bankruptcy. it happens slowly and then all at once. I grew up, you know, I'm a baptized Christian. I grew up in a specific religious faith, Protestant, mainline establishment Protestant

faith that doesn't really exist anymore. The building still stand, but there's no Christianity inside. Most of them, some, but not most. And, you know, I married a very sincere Christian woman, daughter of a minister, and that's one of the reasons I loved her and married her, because she's so grounded in Jesus. But, you know, had a bunch of kids and traveled a lot and constantly for, you know, about 30 years. And I had religious faiths of my prayers, but it wasn't as present in my moment-to-moment life as it became maybe four years ago.

And I just saw the world moving in directions that I couldn't understand at all because they didn't conform to the template that I had devised over 30 years of watching. which is, you know, this is a political struggle between various groups, each want to share the pie, and they argue about how to get it, and all of a sudden I started seeing things that could not be accounted for rationally. And specifically, I saw people destroying things for the sake of destroying them. And Black Lives Matter really had a huge effect on me because it had nothing to do with helping black people. It had nothing to do with helping anybody, actually. It really was just an orgy of violence and fire and murder. And in the end, of course, it didn't help black people, not white people, didn't help any people at all.

Yeah. And yet everyone in our leadership class was so enthusiastic about it. And I was like, you know, if you said, we're going to pay reparations to black people and we're going to, you know, shovel a trillion dollars to black people or something, I'd be opposed to it. But at least it would make it kind of sense. This made no sense. So it got me thinking, okay, what is this? And I concluded, and I even more strongly believe now that it's just a manifestation of evil

and that evil destroys for the sake of destruction, the point of evil. the evil one were told to ask God to be protected from in the Lord's Prayer. His whole job is to destroy, including the people through whom, you know, his power flows. So that just, wow, I kind of came to it in photographic negative in reverse. Like if there's evil, and it's real, it's alive, it's acting in the world through people, through people I know, by the way, are not necessarily bad people or weren't when I knew them. Yeah. Then clearly God is, is at work too. And then I felt that as well.

But really the pivotal thing for me was I decided to read the Bible. Yeah. And I've been a daily reader my whole life because I grew up that way and I don't like video or watching things. I like reading.

So I've read all my life and I decided I'm gonna just read the Bible this year. That's all I'm gonna read. That's the only book I'm gonna read. I read it from Genesis to Revelation. And then I loved it. I just loved it.

I thought it was like the greatest thing I ever read on many levels. Yeah. But of course primarily spiritual, but also I'm interested in history. I mean, the whole thing was unbelievable. It was amazing. And by this point, I beg your pardon,

I didn't trust any preachers. Still having a little trouble with that. Yeah. And so I wasn't in a Bible study or anything like that. I just read it alone in my kitchen every morning. I get up early and I read it with my dogs. And I've continued doing that for four years now.

And I'm basically just to cycle through the New Testament. I'm not an expert. I'm hardly a theologian. I'm actually sort of anti. I'm uncomfortable with a lot of theology because I watch it in the United States. the political sphere and I see that it's used to mislead people. And I'm very upset about that. Yeah. And so I just want to stay out of any of that. I just want to focus on who is Jesus.

What does it mean to know God through Jesus? How do you become more like Jesus? How do you pray? Just like the basic dumb questions, which reflect my basic dumb personality. I just want to know the basics. That's it. And but I'm just really getting a lot out of it. And the last thing I'll say is one the reasons that I've been very turned off by public displays of Christianity, like extremely turned off. You don't even want to be the same room with that stuff, is because I have a lifelong hatred of self-righteousness. While at the same time, of course, I believe in righteousness, and I would like to be more righteous myself, and I think our country needs more righteousness. But self-righteousness is repulsive to me. And it's kind of hard to talk about it without

becoming self-righteous. And so my prayer for myself, I don't have a lot of prayers. I have a big family, so I have a lot of prayers for a lot of people. I have a long prayer list. I don't have that many for myself, but one is to avoid self-righteous.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah, I think it's interesting, I have a lot of respect for you, and one of the reasons why I have a lot of respect for you is I feel like now when I, you know, scroll on social media, or I turn on the news,

or I hear someone say something, They blame a perspective on homosexuality, transgenderism, abortion, all these things on politics. And they label it politics. And they say politics is a bad thing. But it's really just worldview at the end of the day. It's really just worldview, right? We're labeling, oh, you don't believe, you believe homosexuality is wrong. Oh, you're just political.

And I'm like, well, I actually have a worldview. And that worldview is I'm a believer. I follow Jesus. and what I respect a lot about you is your worldviews and your politics are founded a lot in your faith. And one of my favorite things I watched, and I loved the clip was you sat down with Ted Cruz. Yes. And he was talking about Israel. And, you know, he brought up the passage, I believe it's in Genesis, where it's like,

those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And I loved how you just went, who was Israel? I loved how you kept asking that. because I just feel like as believers and even in today's American society, like you said, you're seeing the theology being warped and used and things like that. And people just aren't reading this macro narrative of scripture. Can you kind of talk a little bit about that? Are you tired of getting bad sleep at night?

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price. Order now and your entire order ships absolutely free. Well, let me just first address your first point, because I think it's so true, we displace a lot of things that are essential in our lives onto politics. Oh, it's a political debate. I believe, this is just what I conclude from in the Bible, but also just from living for 56 years that we're not really commanded a struggle against other people, or at least primarily. The first struggle is against ourselves. The Lord's Prayer is structured in a way that is not accidental. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us or trespass against us. It's kind of in that order for a reason. It comes from Jesus. And my belief, my assumption, is that the first thing that we focus on is the log in our own eye. So questions of abortion, which of course should be illegal, it's murder, homosexuality. Of course, it's horrible for everyone involved.

It's not good. It's not liberation. There's nothing gay about it. It's a tragedy. Sorry. I've seen a lot of it. But I do think we should just always focus on our own. shortcomings first. Because we're commanded to by Jesus, and two, it puts us in the right frame.

I mean, I'm in a lot of political battles like every day, or I'm the subject of political battles. I'm trying to join too many of them. And I find myself thinking like, you know, Mark Levin, well, he's a pompous piece of shit, whatever I think about Mark Levin, which I do think, by the way. And then I need to remind myself that, so am I. So am I. Like, I actually am no better than my persecutors on some most basic level, which is why I'm commanded to pray for them. Because it puts it all, and both of us have fallen short of God me and Marklevin. And neither one of us is going to get into heaven except by the grace of God, period. Why do you think people are more tolerant of their own sin than other people?

Well, because it's yours. Because it's so much easier to blame other people. Of course. I mean, Jesus addresses this in Matthew and other places at great length and with specificity. And he refers to the Pharisees, first and foremost, as what, hypocrites. They're attacking others for doing what they do. I was just reading this this morning, actually, and thinking and brooding about it. And so, look, I'm not in charge of the universe.

I am not God, which is something that's going to be posted on my refrigerator, just to remind me, I am not God. So, you know, I don't know how, in the end, everything shakes out, but I know for a fact the temptation in my life is not. not to do cocaine or go to hookers or whatever. The temptation is to become huffed up and self-righteous and be filled with hubris and arrogance. Like, I am prone to that.

Period. I am prone to that. And most men are, most successful men are really prone to that. So I just want the first battle in my life every day to be against my own bad inclination. Can we talk about that? Because I like that. I read this book, I read this book called Tale of Three Kings by this guy named Gene Edwards, and he writes this perspective of like David, Saul, and Absalom.

And when he talks about Absalom, he talks about pride and self-righteousness and things like that. And, you know, it's interesting that you brought up the thing about not trusting a lot of preachers and pastors. When I became a Christian when I was 17. You think? Yeah. And I would be in these areas in these perspectives where I would see these preachers that I had watched, you know, for my private Christian school. You know, I had to watch the sermon and write a paper on it or, you know, you know, know, people, after I became a Christian, I was like, oh, I look up to this person and I would

go serve at a conference or at a church so I could go listen and I would be, I felt like there was a bait and switch, you know, where I was like, oh, that you're not, this isn't what I thought it was like, you know, this is, you're not what you set up there. Like you're, you, you, you, you, that hurt me. That makes me feel very, like I can't trust, like I can't trust anyone, you know. And so as I started like serving and being in the background of these things, kind of looking around, I noticed that a lot of, a lot of people,

particularly in the Christian space, they were surrounding themselves with people that were impressed by them. And so then they just like, they couldn't, no one could tell them no. We have a rule in my office, no compliments. So when you do a live show,

when you perform, And I think it's true for musicians. Anyone performs, I perform my whole life. So that's what I do. There's this weird, especially if you're successful, if you hit your internal marks, like you say what you plan to say, you say it in a way you're happy with.

Well, you come off of that with this like, here I am Caesar surveying the kingdom kind of attitude. Yeah. And ask anyone who performs, trust me. This is why no one who tours with a band is faithful. Because they come off the set and they're like, ladies, I'm here. And I've just,

seen that so much. And so I have always felt my whole life that flattery is far more insidious and dangerous to the human soul than attacks. You know, someone will attack, you know, imagine being if you're me. One of the reasons I have this job is because it doesn't bother me. What bothers me is, you're so great. You're so great. No one's ever been as, you may be the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. And it's like, that kind of talk will destroy your soul, you know, so we do not that. I've never allowed that in my office. Wow. And so who do you have in your life in your corner that's close to you that like wounds you with their words? Oh no, no one. But I have a lot of, I mean, if you knew how we lived, you know, very, not insular, but just like same people. We have a

big family, as I've said a couple of times, you know, my best friends of my college roommates. My brother is my best friend sitting right there. You know, it's just like I've been, I married my high school old friend. We've been together 41 years. Amazing. It's Emily who's sitting right there on the couch, been with 10 years, like basically living with our family. So it's like it's a small circle of trusted wise people. And in general, we have no sharp words. I'm just not into sharp words in the house.

Positive or negative. I just don't like that. You know, no rudeness. I'm from a culture that really isn't for rudeness, period. In fact, we created politeness, if I can brag. So we don't do that. However, being honest is essentially, absolutely essential, and there are a whole bunch of people.

I mean, Tom Fox is sitting right behind me. I've worked for Tom a long time. I'm talking about something on the plane, and he's like, I don't think it's a good idea. I was like, you're right. So, I mean, I want that, you need that, you have to have that. And by the way, if you can't accept that, you've got the wrong people around you.

And it's people you don't trust. And I've never understood why people, especially the age and the stakes get higher, they surround themselves with all these, like, random hangers on and all this stuff. It's like, why would you ever do that? Politicians do that. It's bonkers.

hire some money-obsessed kid to run your campaign. You think he's not going to share. The whole thing is just bad. So we have a rule in my office. Never, I always want talented people. That's not our top requirement. Well, first of all, I don't want any people. We're the same people.

No one ever leaves. Yeah. I really, we have the same people. And I got fired from Fox. Everyone came. You know, it's just like we're the same world. And I really like that because I don't have any boundaries between work and home. So, like, it's all the same to me.

it's all kind of an extended family. So it's not, no, competence, you know, smart people will ultimately figure out the job. It's honesty and decency. And that would also include, like, your personal life. Sorry, this is something I've learned the hard way after 25 years, 30 years are working in television. If you've got some freaky personal life,

that absolutely affects your integrity. It affects your ability to be honest. It affects my ability to trust you. This has been demonstrated again and again and again because a lot of people in TV have really freaky personal lives. And I went from being so liberal on that. I've never had a freaky personal life. But whatever you're doing, it's not my business.

That has always been, I'm 56. That's a very American attitude in my generation. I don't feel that way at all anymore. I don't want that. You're having to work your house and the weekends can't work for me. Yeah. Not because I think you're worse than I am. I don't.

As I said, no one is worse than I am. I need Jesus as much as you do. but because this will not result in straightforward honest behavior. Sorry. And I'm not guessing about that. Yeah. Because I've lived it. Yeah.

Wow, that's encouraging. It's nice to hear like, yeah, in the book of Luke, he kind of talks about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees being like leaven. You know, it sours and spreads. And it sounds like that to be true of people's personal lives. Well, it comes from within. And the subversion in America, one of the reasons I don't like all the partisan stuff. First of all, the Republicans do not speak for me at all, and I know them.

I mean, some do. I never voted Democrat. Probably never will. They're for abortion. I'm not voting for that. I don't care what you do. I'm not voting for that at gunpoint because I really mean it. You know, I'm opposed. Sorry. But the Republicans are, I mean, by and large, like, repulsive to me. So, like, to make it a, because they don't have my values. Sorry. So to make it Republican versus Democrats is, like, completely false. And it also ignores the deeper truth, which is our problem start within us. And I honestly think that one of the biggest problems, sorry to shock your viewers, is pornography on the internet. And I want to say specifically, people like, oh, pornography is so bad. I'm talking about a specific thing, which is, hey, sleep with my wife

pornography, which is pushed by the pornography companies. If you think about that for a second, first of all, all the porn sites are controlled by governments and intel agencies. So nothing you go to on a porn site, you know, it's all being stored and will be used against you if necessary. People don't know that. That's a fact. Okay, including the camera on your phone. Whoa. Why isn't it up, boys? Um, okay, so that's just a fact. Okay. You don't have to believe it if you don't want, but it's true. It's so funny because I know so many people that like hide their phones like, oh, they're watching me, but they like don't believe it, but it's true. On porn sites it's true. Yeah. I'm not up it's true. Yes. So anyway, whatever, there's that. But I'm really

addressing the moral question and it's too uncomfortable. So no one wants to talk about it. I'll just say it point blank. The whole point of building a society, the whole point is, to make sure your wife doesn't get right, both from a moral perspective and from an evolutionary biological perspective. Is that my kid? I can't be sure. Like all the structures we build, not all, but most fundamentally are designed to ensure paternity. Yeah, that's my son. Because that's my wife and she wasn't, no one else up with her. Why do we have a military? Why does any, I don't need a military. I'm fully armed, right? Societies build militaries to keep their family safe, to keep their children from being sold and their wives from being carried

off and impregnated by somebody else. It's like the deepest, it is the absolute deepest instinct in a man is to protect his wife from sleeping with other women. What is marriage? Marriage is an agreement that I alone get to sleep with that woman and she alone gets to sleep with me. I mean, it's reciprocal, but that's like the most basic thing in a man, the most abate. It's a freaking hands on my wife. Yeah. How many people have been murdered? over the years, over that. Yeah. Countless.

Beaten to death with a pool cue. If you subvert that in a man, if you, through repeated exposure, convince him that actually it's really hot to have some random dude to sleep with his wife, you have defeated him as a man. Yeah. You have defeated him as a man. If I can't protect my wife from some other man sleeping with her, I'm not a man, actually. I'm less than a man.

I'm a eunuch. and pornography and all visual presentation is incredibly good at subverting people because it sidesteps your rational brain and goes right to your animal brain like that. I worked in television. I know how this works. Yeah. So if the point of pornography is to convince you it's okay for some random guy to sleep with your wife and millions of American men believe that or in their deepest secret thoughts are turned on by it, you've prepared the country to be taken over, okay, because you have made the men not men anymore. Right. And you often hear people, especially women say, they look around like, we're all the men. Who are my daughter's going to marry? Like these men are,

you know, of course, soy boys and wuss bags and all stuff, but, but on an even deeper level, it's not about their haircuts, okay, or how much weed they smoke. It's about the vibe that comes off of, no self-respect and no willingness to do the very first thing that a man pledges to do for his wife, which is to protect her. Yeah. From what? Other men. Yeah.

So, like, let's just, like, wake up. I mean, this last 80 years of prosperity has driven Americans and the West in general so far from what is fundamentally true. But the most fundamental truth about marriages, it's your job to make sure other men don't get to sleep with your wife. That's number one. And pornography, more than any other thing, I'm convinced, has subverted that. And it should be banned immediately and the people who put on the internet should be in jail.

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it's glorified cheating on someone. You go glorified, you know, sleeping with this person. you know, you're married, oh, go sleep with the pool boy. It's all in the movies. But it's even darker. Like, so adultery is bad. I'm obviously making a case on some level against adultery, but I'm talking about something specific.

It's not just your wife runs off and cheats and you most men are horrified by that. Men, of course, are totally prone to do that and will do that at every opportunity unless you, like, build structures to get them not to do it, right? I mean, because that's just in a man. He wants to impregnant as many women as he can, obviously. That's bad. That's why you have marriage and Christianity and laws and all stuff. But what I'm talking about is something way darker,

which is wife sleeps with some random guy, stranger, and husband approves. That is true subversion. Encouraging your wife to sleep with another man, you are emasculated on the deepest possible level. And elements of our society, and particularly pornography, do encourage that. And the rise in it is really, really noticeable and occasional it'll be a scandal about it. And it has, it's really way deeper than sex. And nobody talks about it because like sex is embarrassing and all.

Okay, fine. I never talk about sex in public because I think it is private, of course. This is not private. This has an effect on the nation itself and on its men who are supposed to be leading the nation, but aren't. And they're not leading their families. They're not leading the nation. Why is that?

Well, this is one of the reason. Yeah. I, you know, I live in L.A. And I can't tell you the countless amount of times I hear girls who are friends who are friends with us say, man, if there was just a man, if I just met a man who was from Texas, just a real man, a masculine 6-3 protector. They always say that, protector. Someone who would stand up for me. Protect and provider are the two requirements for the job. They say that's what we look for in a man.

But here's the contrary, though. That's really interesting, which I want to, you know, get your take on this. The same people that are saying this are settling for the men that you're describing. Well, right, because there aren't a ton of options. So do you think it's because they actually want the masculine man? Or do you think it's because they like this feminized version of a man? I don't think they like that version at all. And I think in, you know, worst case, they cheat on that version, you know, the indecisive, weak man.

And I have a lot of thoughts on this because, again, I've lived a long time and I've always lived with women. But one of the things I think is that weak men incite aggression in women, they change women. Men and women change each other. It's a dynamic process. It's not like you just like find a girl and live with her. No, no, you totally change living with her and she totally changes living with you. You influence each other more than any other people in your life, including your children, your employer, your parents. It doesn't matter.

Your spouse influences you more than anyone. and a weak man will really change a woman a lot and not in good ways. And a bad woman will totally change a man, too. They will make him weaker. But again, we understate the degree to which men and women need each other. They can't live, for the most part. There are anomalies, of course, but they cannot live without each other. They're designed to become one flesh.

That's not just a theological concept, Hebrew, Christian. it's just like a, it's a noticeable phenomenon, it's just real. Anyone who's lived it can affirm that. So they don't just need each other, but they become far less than themselves when they're apart in super recognizable ways, which I could explain, but I know you're familiar with them. And so the failure of men and women to find each other

and the disincentives that our society has erected are a way bigger threat than Iran, which is not really a threat. The real threat is, I don't know, only fans, Tinder. I mean, these are threats to the civilization. And they're also just manifestations of deeper problems. It's not all only fans' fault. But if, like, you're turning 10% of the American female population into prostitutes,

you need to be in jail, like right now. I don't care how much money you give to the ADL or whatever they're doing, or APAC or whatever, they're paying off all the politicians. you should have to answer for that. You can't turn my women into prostitutes. Who do you think you are? That's what an invading army does. That's what the Ottomans did.

And everyone's like, oh, the Muslims! Oh, the Muslims! Really? I mean, yeah, okay. It's a Christian country. I'm pro-Christian. I couldn't be more pro-Jesus, okay? But if we're assessing the actual threats as I see them,

as they exist, as can be measured, rather than the threats on Fox News, the threat is not the Muslims. Are the Muslims coming in here and turning our daughters into profits? just no OnlyFans is doing that. So, okay, let's just identify the problem first. So when we were in L.A., when we first moved out there,

we started a Bible study specifically for people that were doing social media or in the acting scene that didn't want publicly people to know that they were checking out Christianity. And the amount of women that would show up to this Bible study, broken, who were in this only fan scene, and I can't tell you the amount of, companies in LA that they'll throw parties as like a dislabeled company. And then you show up and they

got people in the crowd talking to the girls and even talking to the guys. You know, on the contrary, getting these guys roping these guys in to do gay stuff on only fans. But particularly the girls will come up to the girls and they'll find the ones who had a rise on social media. And you know, the lifestyle in LA is as my, as my, as fame increases and money increases, my lifestyle has to increase. And then if they begin to plateau and their, you know, their money, income, It decreases. They feel like they have to keep up with an image, right? So they have a freak out.

They're like, oh, I got to figure out how to make money. I got to do this. And then that's when these only fans people creep in. And they're like, hey, go on only fans. It's not a big deal. Just take some cute pictures in a bikini or do this. And then before you know it, all these women that are coming to the Bible study, they're being pimped out and going on dates with rich men that aren't just dates.

You know, and they're coming to our Bible study, broken, lost, and confused. This was three years ago. You know, when I first moved out there that are looking for an escape that have been brainwashed, that have been warped all because you've got literally these pimps coming in here saying, hey, just take a cute picture. It's just cute pictures. And then it eases into that. And then even on the contrary, the amount of men that we knew that that would say, oh, you know, I would never do a such a thing. I would never do that. That's awful. That's I would never do that. And then before you know it in six months, they're doing things that, you know, you would have never thought and imagined.

and it's really plaguing. I see it more in Los Angeles than I did in my small country town in Georgia. It's like if someone in my small country town in Georgia was doing only fans, everybody knew about it. You know what I mean? Everyone would go, oh, let me get away from that. But in L.A., everyone, just about everyone under the sun is on it. And I think partially the appeal was, oh, you need money.

You need to keep up with this image. And then before you knew it, they're doing a bunch of crazy stuff that they would have never thought or imagine and think. And the amount of broken women and men, but broken women that were coming to us, seeking help, seeking refuge, going, man, what is going on? A blink of my eye,

I feel like I'm not even myself. I don't even know who I am. Broken, lost, and confused. It's plaking. So I'm a huge believer in getting to the source of problems like this. You know, obviously fentanyl and meth, I don't know, the whole pharmacopoe of drugs are like a huge problem.

are causing the homelessness we see all around us. They're killing 100,000 or more Americans every year. I'm not that in favor of giving life sentences to meth heads. I'm for finding the people who are trafficking the mess, selling the math, profiting from the meth, and going up as high in the chain as we possibly can. So I just, for the third time, I don't understand how OnlyFans specifically, since it's by far the biggest prostitution ring in the country, how the pimp at the top has been allowed to kind of live a free man, send millions of dollars

to political organizations which gladly accept it, I'm sure goes to tribute banquets in his honor. I just don't understand that. And so putting him in jail doesn't solve the problem. Of course, these are human problems. They're not all his fault, but he's exploiting them to make billions. and that should we should at least say that's bad. Why can't we say that's bad? I've said that's bad.

We're like, shut up! You're a bigot! And that gets me to the question of Israel. I don't mean to dodge your question. I'll just do it really quickly. There's a whole theological debate about dispensationalism or replacement. I'm not a dispensation.

I don't know anything about any of that stuff. I've never heard the terms. Yeah. It's not the world I grew up in. I think it's sort of interesting, but I don't fully understand it. I would never weigh in on it. I would only say, if you think that murdering tens of thousands of children,

which the Israeli government has done, is consistent with Christianity, we're just reading a different manuscript. I just don't see that at all. I understand Christianity to be a very, very different faith. And it's hard to imagine Jesus being in favor of this. And I guess we can have a debate about it, but what gets me going is watching Christian preachers who are paid by the government,

of Israel, take free vacations to Israel, where they stock up on talking points and propaganda, and then inflict all of that propaganda on their congregations, and then use the Bible to justify it. You're justifying violence against innocence. I recognize October 7th is bad. I'm hardly shilling for the Islamists. I mean, it's also stupid. I just don't think that what the Israeli government has done in Gaza, which is a crime. It's a historic crime. It is genocide. It's an effort to move an entire people out and kill a lot of them and then take their land. I thought we were against that. It happens all the time around the world. Israel's not the only country that does it, but they are doing it. We're paying for it. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, all these

Christian pastors, these evangelical pastors come in and are like, if you criticize that, you're not a Christian and you hate Jesus and hate Jews, it's like, I, you know, there's a debate over what the term the Great Deception refers to, but it could be that because that's so crazy to me. And maybe I'm the crazy one. I preface this by saying I try to maintain humility at all times. Like, what do I know? I'm a Episcopalian. I don't know anything. But I have pressed a lot of these people, like, including Ted Cruz. Who's a politician? Like, he's not. not a theologian, I get it, but he couldn't even name the book of the Bible, not even the book, that supported his entire Christian theology.

So I think it's fair for me to say, and by the way, my version of the Bible, which is the NLT, which I like. Great translation. Yeah, I really like the NLT. Very much. It's just clear English, right? Doesn't have that phrase in it. Sorry.

So, but whatever, it's not, I guess what I'm saying is this isn't about theology. I think there are a lot of really decent, thoughtful, Bible-believing Christians, Jesus followers who have been convinced of this. And maybe they're right. I don't think they are. Maybe they are. I don't think I'm necessarily always right. That's for sure.

But I know for a fact that a lot of their preachers have become political actors who are working on behalf of a foreign government that's very hostile to Christianity. Do they ever try to convert Israelis in Tel Aviv? All these preachers go over there for the weekend? Jesus is the answer. They're telling their congregations. Do they try to street preach in Tel Aviv? No. Not one of them. They don't. What is that? Do you really believe? So I see them as either willing or unwilling dupes of a foreign government, whatever their motive, whatever they know or don't know, they are doing something that's inexcusable. And it's very hard to understand what

they're doing. I kind of have the same train of thought as you. I remember when the October 7th thing went down. And I can admit here, humbling. Like, yeah, I was like the average evangelical pastor. That's like, yeah, which it tends to be a trend. And I think, I think there are a lot of people that do the same thing. They're like, yeah, you know, this, you know, God's chosen people. This isn't that. And that's how I was. But then it was like I had to do my own digging when I would go, I would have to look at news sources coming from Jerusalem, coming from Israel and all these things to kind of Oh, shoot, wait, there's a lot more happening over there that I didn't know. There's a lot more going down that I wasn't told when I turned on the news.

And so that's kind of where, you know, I loved when you were talking to Tech Cruz and you were like, who is Israel? Right? Because when the average evangelical is like Israel, oh, yes, the ethnic group, the ethnically Jewish people. That's who Israel is and that's who it is. And I would be kind of where you are, where I'm like, I think, me personally, I personally think Israel is. is believers in Jesus Christ. And I, and I, you know, you read Romans, the book of Romans where it talks about, you know, being grafted into the tree and that people who are grafted in have been given the right to become children of Abraham, you know, and it's like who are children of Abraham. Well, there's a lot throughout the New Testament about all of this because, of course, it was written by Jews, originally four Jews, but there's a lot about this. But the takeaway from my

perspective, and I think any person who reads it, has trouble reaching any other conclusions. The point of this is Jesus and getting to heaven requires faith in Jesus. That is Christianity, as far as I knew. And so they've changed the definition of Christianity, which seems like, again, I'm not a theologian. I want to say that again. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like they've changed the definition of the religion itself. Like, everyone has to believe in Jesus to get to God except for these people. Okay, who are these people?

Well, it's this group. It's this chosen group. Well, how do we know who's in it? Yeah. Is it an ethnic group? Well, we have Ancestry.com and 23 and me, we can test for that. Yeah. Like, what percentage of DNA do you need to have to be in this group?

Any question like that, just a rational question, is met with, like, an attack? Ted Cruz, like, three questions in, call me an anti-Semite. And to my shame, it made me mad. I shouldn't have gotten mad. I should have laughed. But I did get mad. I was offended.

I don't know if I'd ever been called anti-Semite before. in the, since I would call like 100 times a day. But at the time I was like, anti-Semite. Of course I'm not anti-Semite, which I'm not, and wasn't then. But I was struck by his, like it's a tell for me as someone who interviews for a living, if I ask you a question,

and rather than answer it, you attack me, you kind of answered it in a sense, didn't you? Yeah, right? You didn't actually answer the question. Right. In order to avoid answering the question, you attacked me. So, no, and I think, by the way,

I think it's just mostly dying. I don't meet too many people who will defend the proposition that we as Christians believe that you need to believe in Jesus get to heaven, except for some people who may or may not have anything to do with each other or the ancient Israelites don't have to believe in Jesus because how? None of it makes any sense at all.

And so my view is, and this is not hate, this is love. I think everyone needs Jesus. I certainly do. much more than I have, by the way. Likewise. Do you believe Christianity is going to become a minority in America? Yeah, it already is. And who do you think is going to be responsible for that?

Some people are going to say, oh, you know, the Muslims, which I'm very passionate about Islam. It's something I've been very passionate about recently. Some people are going to be like, oh, it's the Muslim. Some people are going to be like, oh, it's this. Who do you think is going to be responsible for the decrease in Christianity? You think it's going to be self-righteousness? The people are the real threat.

And the real threat are not religious people. You don't have anything. Orthodox Jews have a completely different religion for mine. You know, reading the Talmud all day. I'm not even sure what's in there. I'm not against Orthodox Jews. I've always gotten along with them. I'm not against Orthodox Muslims at all.

Always gotten along with them. I don't think the threat, to me, from my perspective, they're not the ones running only fans. They're not the ones selling meth. They're not the ones destroying my country. They're also not the ones shooting people by and large. They are being watched by the God they believe in. Now, it's not my God in a lot of cases,

but I feel like the threat is people who think they're God, clearly. I don't really know any... You think Elon Omar is like a faithful Muslim? No, she's a white liberal, actually. That is the category that really worries me. Those are the most extreme, crazy... the people without God are really terrifying. It's secular people.

They're the ones who committed the biggest genocides in world history. It wasn't religious fanatics who murdered all those Christians in the Soviet Union. It was atheists. Mao was not a religious person. He was an atheist.

Hitler was some kind of wikken or something. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm worried about. And the world that I've lived in, I mean, I grew up in the opposite world from you, I mean, we didn't, you know, I never, I don't think I met too many Baptists in my life. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I never heard the word Jesus uttered in public except when you hit your thumb with a hammer or something. Yeah. And I think those people are really scary. Yeah. People without any God. Yeah. Now, I think it's interesting, like, you know, when you look at people like yourself or like Charlie,

uh, who were having discussions with people who have discussions with people who have discussions with people. And people look at that. Oh, you're just arguing. Arguing so bad. This isn't that. And I'm over here like, I kind of look at it in this way. Didn't Jesus teach in the temple every day? Yeah. And I'm like, literally, most of Paul's epistles were arguments to the church. You know, it's like, what are we doing? We're, you know, we're, I believe we're growing very soft now. And, you know, I, that's going to change. And I, I remember every, every year, you know, when I, back in, when I was little in my small country town, you know, I, I, I, I remember what it was like to be raised by my parents,

and they did a good job of raising me and the things that they instituted in my life, the disciplines that they gave me, and I was just raised a certain way. And now as I feel like I'm growing older, it's, oh, you can't argue, you can't say that, you can't do this, but it's okay to talk about everything else, but Jesus.

It's always been that way. That's what I notice about Matthew 10, which is like one of my favorite chapters in the whole New Testament, where Jesus sends out the Apostles, he just picked them. We just picked them. Is it called the Great Commission?

I don't know, I didn't grow up going in church. He sends out the 72. That's later, right. Okay, so the initial one, thank you so much. So you can tell how little I know. But I just love this scene. So he picks the 12 and he sends him out and he's like, don't take any money, don't take any extra clothes,

don't take a walking stick with you. And by the way, you're going to get flogged and thrown into jail. Just kind of casually. All right, fine. Imagine if your parents are like, all right, man. Head out. Just don't take anything with you.

And by the way, you're probably going to get beaten with a whip and thrown into prison and put on trial for your life. But don't worry about it. It's like he says it in this very blasé way, which I love. And the reason I love it is because it's totally true. And he says in that passage, you're going to be attacked because of me. That was true then. It's true now. Yeah. And we lived in this weird Nerf world for so many years in the United States, like, oh, we're all Christian, but we're also worshipping money and excusing violence. Yeah. and bragging about ourselves. There's nothing Christian about any of that.

Money worship is the opposite of Christian. Yeah. Okay. So, but we could say we're Christian, so all's cool. It's totally fine, and my church has a frillion people at it. We've got 19 services and youth pastors,

and like, we're winning. And a smoke machine. Yeah, I never have really been around any of that, but I remember thinking, I'm not really sure that's the way you measure the condition of your soul, but whatever, whatever. So now we're entering into a much harder period,

where people are like, Jesus, like, that's very offensive. I gave a talk at Charlie Kirk's Memorial a few months ago in September and only talked about Jesus. I was like, I don't want to get political at a memorial service. Like, I think it's beneath a memorial. I have reverence for death because I have reverence for life. And I only talked about Jesus, and I've never been that attack. I was anti-Semitic.

What? It was like, it had nothing to do with Jews. I'm reading them. I'm talking about the gospel. It didn't matter. People read their own. interpretations, there's a secret message there, whatever. The point, what triggered people was talk about Jesus. And I was really shocked by it. And then I remembered Matthew 10, and I'm like,

and huge parts of the New Testament, Jesus is, I mean, Paul is like writing all these different churches throughout Turkey. And he's like, oh, by the way, I'm chained to the wall, you know, in this person, you know? It's like, it's only about suffering. Every evangelist in the entire New Testament. I mean, where does John write revelation? Why is he? Why is he? on Patmos in the first place. Yeah. Because he's been exiled there. Yeah.

And so persecution is a natural result of evangelism. It's just, and by the way, if you're not being persecuted, you're probably not doing it right. You're probably Paula White. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, I totally understand. I think even when I read the gospel.

Sorry, did I say that? I meant it. When I read about something like John the Baptist, too, which I, I think, I, I think applies, which I think it goes kind of coincides with like even your pornography thing you were mentioning earlier. You know, John the Baptist, he rolls up on King Herod. Same issue, 2,000 years ago, stop sleeping with your brother's wife. I know. And throws him in jail. Oh, of course. And then some lady does a strip tease on King Herod. He's like, oh, what do you want? Oh, yeah, I want John the Baptist head. The daughter. That's crazy. Is that not? Oh, it's, it's

bad. It's interesting. The grip sexual sin has. Oh, well, I just reread the David's saga. because I love David. With Beth Sheba? Everybody, of course with Best Sheba, but what I didn't, well, first of all, who bathes on a roof naked? It's so hot. And I get it.

You know, I get it. Here's this, you know, he's just caught up in the hubris of success. I mean, that's exactly. I mean, any man who says, I can't relate to the Best Sheba scene is a lion. Because, of course you can. And then he's like, who's that?

What's, you know, whatever. She's married. Go kill her husband. But the two things that I'd forgot. I just reread this. So the two things that I had forgotten are, one, his firstborn son with Bashiba dies is killed by God. Second, I think that's widely remembered by most people,

but second, what you forget is toward the end of his life when he's really under the gun, the first person to, like, betray him, give him the finger and not stand by him is Beth Shiba. So he's really punished for the rest of his life. Like a wife who won't stand by you in turmoil is hell on earth. That's what that is.

And when you get married and go through stuff, you will find that the number one test of a marriage is when the husband loses his job or gets attacked or called a Nazi by Mark Levin. Just kidding. My wife doesn't know that's happening. But you know what you mean? Like when things go not as planned

and in the wrong direction, that's when you find out what your marriage is about and what your wife is about. And the deepest desire of every man is to have his wife standing by him because a wife gives you strength. That's the key to success in life

as a wife who believes you can succeed. That's where men's strength comes from, by the way. And he finds out the hard way that he doesn't have that. That's like the worst point. Why am I telling you the second? Because it's so recognizable. And all these years later,

you know, they have kids and she's queen and all the stuff. It doesn't matter. He still holds it against him. that's rough it was it really stuck with me and he thought he's getting into something good because he saw naked bathsheba on a roof yeah men's time horizon gets pretty limited um in certain periods you know situationally you think so i do think so yeah i've heard that i've heard that there are a lot of ways uh every language has a euphemism for that i'm not going to use any of the english ones

but um yes it's a it's a widely observed phenomenon yes so i'm getting i'm actually i wanted one of the questions I had for you is marriage advice. I'm getting married in January. What? Getting married and I only take relationship advice for married people. Of course. Because you got like- Who else would you take it from? Well, you know, everyone on TikTok wants to take dating advice and marriage advice

from two 16-year-olds that have been together for 20 days. Actually? Oh, all the time. Yeah. Everyone's asking everyone on social media or they're watching relationships, dating relationships. I bet they're writing their own vows too. It's so bad. It's inventing it.

It's bad. So if you had some marriage advice, what would be your greatest piece of marriage advice? I have two pieces. Well, one observation, one piece of advice. The foundation of marriage, a single critical piece that will determine the health, prosperity, happiness of your family or children. Does the wife respect her husband? So men are required to love their wives. Women are required to respect their husbands. And I do think loving your wife is easier than respecting your husband. and because men have a pretty low threshold for love. I'm not going to be more specific.

But it just kind of comes naturally. She smells good. Respect for your husband is harder to win, but it's absolutely critical. And when a wife respects her husband, she gives him the strength I just described. She gives a sense of security, invulnerability to the children.

Everything's okay. Between mom and dad, therefore everything is okay, period. And that is where the peace in a marriage, comes from is that respect, and it has to be given and also earned. She has to give it, he has to earn it. And so that is the critical thing right there, in my opinion. And there are a lot of factors in our society that make it hard for that to exist, which is why so many marriages fail. And I believe that after, just for the record, 35 years married, 41 years with the same girl, watch carefully, and that's what I've concluded. But my one piece of marriage advice has to do

with children, and it's really simple. And there are all kinds of complex. marriages and like you find yourself in places where you didn't expect to be and especially if their drugs are alcohol involved. It's a very, very different thing. But for people who are facing just the normal challenges, which are mostly about money, that's the biggest challenge. Everyone's like so caught up in sex and everything's fine. You don't have problems there. Money puts massive stress on marriage or ask any married couple. And in a normal marriage, facing normal stresses like the ones I just described. The critical mistake that people make is they focus on the children instead of each other.

And for the obvious reason, children have immediate needs. They're not long-term needs. I have to pee. I'm hungry. Will you play with me? Like this is not long-term stuff. It's like right now. You love your children.

That's organic. Only a freak doesn't love his kids. It just comes naturally to you. Even the hardest-hearted person loves his kids. Stalin loved his daughter. You can't help it. So it's really easy. And that's all great.

It's all designed by God to make you into a decent parent. But the trap is if you use your children as an escape from your spouse. And I am just amazed after all these years of living with the same woman every single day, waking up with the dogs and the same girl every morning for all these years, how hard it is for men and women to understand each other. And I'm at like 75% comprehension and really, really trying hard. I'm like a child learning Japanese. Ichi Nissan go.

Like I'm really trying, right? To understand what my wife is saying. And I know that she's trying every bit as hard. And we get a lot. We have great communication, relatively speaking. But it's still only 75% because we're different sexes. And the differences are more profound than our society admits. We, they're all the same.

Just you can change it will. That's the biggest lie I ever told. It's absurd. Have you ever been married? You don't understand what she's saying. So it's hard, and they communicate so differently. Here's the point of this observation is that it's so easy for a man to be like, freaking crazy, which they are, I mean, obviously, but the craziness is not, it's just on the surface.

They actually have something important to tell you. And so many men, I've done this a million times myself, we're like, I can't deal with this. I'm super busy. You're crazy. I don't know what you're saying. I'm going to go be with the kids. if you keep doing that, you will destroy your man. You will destroy your marriage.

You have to, as the husband, who is in charge of the household, period. It doesn't mean you're an autocrat or a king or boss your wife around. You'll never boss your wife around. No man is even able to boss his wife around. It's like, they're impossible to boss around. It's not even worth trying. But what I mean by in charge is you have to be the leader. You have somebody has to make a decision at some point and that person is you.

She wants that from you. God has ordained that you were created to be the leader. Sorry. And anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to shirk their duties. I'm not the leader here. Yeah, you are. Whether you want to be or not. And if you shirk that, she'll hate you for that.

Trust me, she'll hate you. Man up and listen to what she's saying until you can figure out what it is. And the last thing I will say is if you're, as you're getting married, like your weddings in next month. Yeah, on the 10th. Okay, so she's calling you all the time with like, hey, I've got all these decisions. Like, what color do you want the napkins? How many people should be in the pictures?

This is happening to you. I know for a fact. I haven't talked to her, but I already know this. You're a prophet. And I am a prophet. And I've been around a few weddings. So your instincts is always going to be, baby, you got this. I trust you.

You got them. You make the decision. You're communicating to her. I have total faith in you. I know you'll do the right thing. You're going to be a great wife, great mother, great, at running our household. She hears from you.

That's what you're thinking when you say that because I know you've said that for a fact because I've been listening to your calls. She is thinking he doesn't care.

He's not interested. Don't say that. What you say is, she said, should we have orange or pink napkins say pink? Obviously.

She'd go, I like the orange. And you say, that's absolutely right, orange. We need orange napkins. We don't want pink napkins. We want orange napkins.

How many people should be at wedding pictures? You'll say 15. She'd be like, well, I wanted 12. Yeah, that's right, 12. She wants you to engage. She wants you to make the decision when in fact she's really making the decision.

You'll have this problem with dinner. Let's go to dinner Friday night. Where do you want to go? And you'd be like, wherever you want to go, baby, whatever you want. And she'll hear, he doesn't care about going to dinner with me. You say, I want to go to the Italian place. She'll say, I hate Italian.

I want to go Chinese. And you say to her, Italian's disgusting. We're going to the Chinese place. I like that. It's real. It's the most real thing. And you will say, so much sadness and drama in your household,

she'll totally relax and go, he's got this. Even though you just repeated her choice back to her. No, for real. Yeah. That's basically marriage in a sentence. You're repeating her choice back to her as a decision. Wow. But if you allow her to make the decision,

she doesn't want to make the decision, she wants you to make the decision. If you just say you make the decision, all she hears is he doesn't care. He's thinking about golf. Wow. He's thinking about golf. Write this on your arm, dude.

This is important. I like, I really appreciate that. I think it's actually encouraging. And I got one last question for you before. It's not encouraging. It's like totally demented. I've got to do this, you know. I've got to, we've got no pink napkins, orange napkins.

You were right. I'm like, you're telling me this stuff and I'm like, this literally just happened 12 hours ago. Yeah. I said the same thing. So that is. No, because you're going to tell her, look, I, you know, I'm not an expert on weddings. You've got the wedding, you know, talk to your mom about it, whatever.

All she hears is you don't care. Remember, they don't hear what you say. They're different from us. And that's why marriage is still interesting 30, 40, 50 years in. By the way, that's why homosexuality is so basically unsatisfying. You get bored really fast. Yeah. Yeah. And there's some other problems.

Maybe there's some other problems there other than just boring. So, you know, I think something I'm seeing a lot with my generation in particular, it's like with stuff like AI, chat chagip-t, things like that. They're leaning more on that than their brain. They're not researching themselves. And even, even for example, like with stuff like Bible, Bible apps, you know, every Bible app now has got an AI feature in there. It's like, oh, you know, if you're struggling with the Bible question, you know, just

ask the AI, you know, the AI will tell you. And I bet. And I'm like, you know, to me, this is, it's hard for me to watch this go down because I'm like. Because the AI in about six months is going to be like, Jesus was fake worship Mollock. It literally will. It literally will. Because what do you think the AI is?

Come on, man. It's bail. It's bail. A hundred percent. Just throw your kids into the fire and everything will be great. Yeah, they worship the fertility gods. And it's bad. But I think, I think, you know, like so many people that I'm watching are like,

it's like they're losing brain power IQ and they're leaning on a robot and a computer. And now, I mean, obviously when I read the, the scriptures, John 14, the Holy Spirit's the helper, and he's the teacher. And no one wants to do their own digging anymore. They want to rely on a robot. And just, I mean, how do you see that playing out now for Christians in particular, but just people in general, like in their daily lives, using their brains, being prepared, you know, being watchful, being educated, things like that. What are you seeing? I mean, we're called to discipline, among other things, discipline. You know, you know it's right. It's hard to do it, narrow path. And I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

no one to lecture anyone on discipline since I love all the Rhesus products, not just the peanut butter cups, but literally all of them and they're like 50 of them. And I like them all. So I'm not, I don't want to be self-righteous once again. But righteousness requires discipline. And if you conclude, as I think any normal person would, that this stuff is making you dumber and that screen time is cutting you off from other people, you know, you need to take active steps to control yourself. You do. Sorry. I mean, just as with anything else. I mean, I quit drinking many, many years ago, over 20 years ago, almost 25 years ago. And I have bars in my house, my office. I love to eat at bars at dinner and a bar last night. Actually, dinner at part of a liquor

store last night with my brother, who's also totally sober. And we're laughing about it. We're not going to steal any of the booze because we don't drink. And it's like you have to get to a place, just because something is around you, you have to get to a place where you're just not going to do things that destroy you or your family, and one of them is spending your entire life under the control of other people, which is what it really is, these are all control mechanisms on the internet. I mean, right? Yeah. You have to carve out like a life separate from that.

And as you get married, man, you have to have super strict phone rules. And everyone, again, is so caught up and like committing adultery, which is totally bad. but most people, you know, that's not the number one temptation that people face. The number one temptation that people face is not having a conversation because every sentence is punctuated with something on their phone. That is a true risk to your marriage. You have to have time for a conversation with no phones, no beeps in the background, no distractions, like I'm listening to you and the other person feels listened to. Like, that's a way bigger struggle than like strip bars, right? You'll

We'll find out. And I would be a psychopath about it. We have no phones in the bedroom. We both use them as our alarms. So it's like, we're off the phone. We'll get in next to the bed. No texting in the bedroom. Wow. I really like that. Well, it's pretty minor. I mean, we're not living as monks. I mean, I... But to the average American, they're like, holy crap, I can't text in the bedroom. Like, oh, my gosh, you know. Dude, the bedroom has two purposes. And I'm not going to be more specific than that, but both are great. And you can destroy both with the phone. So no. How about no? Also, dogs, we sleep with our dogs. so dogs. Frank? Go through. Right. I woke up next to Frank this morning.

Frank, beautiful dog. Thank you. He likes me because he's sitting here. He is a good dog. He is a very good dog. Would you mind praying out first before we leave? I'm not saying a prayer on camera. I'm too embarrassed, but I hope you will.

I'll pray for us. Good. Is that deal? Of course. Awesome. Jesus, thank you so much for day. God. Thank you for Mr. Tucker Carlson for coming on, sitting down and sharing some wisdom and

chatting with us, God. But you bless him. Keep him, Lord, would you bless everyone watching and listen to him. I pray that everything that was spoken was from you, God, and that you used it to pierce the hearts of many that we're watching and listening. God, thank you for this day. Thank you for waking us up. We love you, Jesus. It's in your name we pray. Amen.