The Bryce Crawford Podcast - Chandler Hallow on Rock Bottom, Fatherhood, and God (EP 218)

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

Chandler Hallow on Rock Bottom, Fatherhood, and God (EP 218)

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Oh, man. Shop back to school at IKEA. I grew up in a Christian home. And then once I left my parents' house, I just did whatever I wanted. Yeah. And it led to depression, anxiety, loneliness. I was at such a low point, Lord, that I was forced to cry out to you. I'm crying out to the Lord.

Just save me, like, actual, like, tears, like, do something. I want to stop, you know, doing drugs. I don't want to be anxious. I don't want to be depressed. I prayed for two weeks straight. The Lord didn't say anything to me. You didn't help me. He didn't save me.

First night, nothing. Second night, you know, a week, nothing. Hey, before we get into today's episode, I want to share two questions. I want to share two quick things with you. First, if these videos have meant anything to you, if they've encouraged your faith or helped you see the gospel a little bit more clearly, I just want to ask you to subscribe.

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online. I believe this is going to be a really special night and I hope to see you there. All right, let's get into the episode. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crufford Podcast. I'm Bryce and today I'm with a friend and someone that's been on here before. We got Chandler Hallow background. Let's go finally in studio. Yeah. First is nice. First time we came to you, which was really fun. But how have you been, bro? It's been a while. I've been good. How long has it been? Three years? We hung out 2024 into 24. So almost two years. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But you're like the kind of friend that if we go six months without speaking to each other, it's not weird.

Yeah. You know, like, sometimes there's this, like, a burden on friendships where you, like, if you, if you don't like someone's posts on Instagram, then it's like, oh, you're not my friend. Like, why do you hate me? Yeah. And then it's like, oh, well, actually, yeah. I do love you, you know, kind of thing. Yeah.

I feel like the closer you are to someone, like, the less you have to, like, prove, like, they are close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been two years since you last been on. Let's just call it two years. What's changed since the last time you came?

Yeah, I think I got a little taller. I think so too. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I agree. Yeah, I mean, I've been married four years now. Let's go. My anniversary was like two days ago.

Oh, awesome. Yeah. So, and I'm a father now. Yes? Yeah. How's that? It's been good. Yeah, I remember asking God.

I was like, Lord, I want to know, like, how to love like you and, like, how you love us. Like, I want to know that. more. I feel like through having a kid, God showed me that, like the love of the father. Yeah, he's been teaching me that. So that's been really good. Yeah. So can you kind of like, so you grew up in Greenville. Yeah. And you're still there. I know we're kind of talking about that earlier, but I just feel like you kind of need to move out here where the sun's a little brighter in L.A. Man, I don't know, man. It's just so far away. Well, I told you, you can move in with me, so that's okay if you want to move in with me.

You know, my whole family too? Yeah, I mean, they're more than welcome to be here as well. Okay. All right. I'll think about it. Yeah, please do. So I kind of want to know something I'm so encouraged by you or encouraged about you from,

did I phrase that right? I'm encouraged by you. There we go. I'm so encouraged by your faithfulness and how steady your relationship with the Lord is. I think something that can be a little difficult that maybe I sense right now is, you know, Christianity has been on the rise in the last, I would say, a year and a half.

It's become popular, impacting a lot of people and stuff like that. And then now, I feel like the last few months, there's been this interesting tension. It's not on a decline. I don't think it's necessarily on this, like, skyrocket, like, off the chart rise. But I feel like a lot of people are in this mundane area where now they're like, I don't even know what to do. You know what I mean? Like, what does it look like to have faith going forward and stuff like that? What do you think? Yeah. For me, like, I know, like, I'm... I think about, like, in the Bible, it talks about, you know, the woman... Or Jesus talks to it, I think it's the tax collector. And then the woman in the house where he eats dinner with the tax collector.

And he's like, tells him, like, you know, I've... If I forgive this person of... I know you probably know it better than me. I'm trying to remember it, but if I forgive a person that owes me $50,000, this is not the right hummers, but, or I forgive the person that owes me five bucks, which one is going to, like, be more thankful or love more, you know? Yeah. And I just think about, like, how much the Lord has forgiven me,

and that makes me love him so much more and want to pursue him so much more. And, you know, the Bible says, blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, you know, for they shall be satisfied. And I ask for that, you know, I pray for that, to be hungry and thirsty for him always, because I don't want to ever not be. And he always shows up, he always satisfies me, whenever I truly, like, seek him, you know. So I think that's been a big, like, part of me not being, like, stagnant or what do I do now, you know, like, so I don't know if that answers your question.

Yeah, no, like I feel, I think one of the hardest things. And, well, I became a Christian at 17 and 22 now. Wait, how old are you? I'm 27. Dang, really? Dang. Well, okay, but the thing about you being 27 is you don't look older because of your, like, facial hair. Like, you look young.

You're just tall. You know what I mean? Yeah. Your height makes you feel 32, you know? I know, man. I feel like people think I'm like 35. Hey, at least I said 30, too. Yeah, I was, I don't know.

My brother, he's 6-8. What? Yeah, and people think he's the younger brother. I think my job has aged me. Probably doing this since I was 18, like YouTube and stuff, so. Well, 27, that's not bad. Yeah. You're coming up.

You're coming up on your, uh, coming up on 30. Yeah. It's sneaking up on you. It is, yeah, quickly. I'm just kidding. No, no, I've been, uh, I've been a, Christian for five years. And I always heard older leaders like talk about, you know, friends or pastors and stuff like falling away. Yeah. And, uh, but I've seen so many people leave the faith within five years.

And I've seen like common themes of people either not being planted in a local church or people write in an emotional high or something like that. And so when I'm looking at how like for me right now, I still think Christianity is still like something people are like excited about. But it's definitely not at the, you know, the peak trend that it was a while ago. And so I'm just like right now, I have this weight on my chest, like a holy fear of God where I'm just like, man, I want to see people last a lifetime, you know, be more on fire for Jesus when they're 60 years old than they were when they were 20 or when they were 13 or when they were 50 or whatever it may be, wherever they land on the spectrum of age and, you know, growing up.

And yeah, I don't know. That's just something I've been thinking about a lot. I just feel like right now people are in this, like, weird tension area where it's not a decline, it's not on an incline, but people are in the mundane. You know, you're not at a peak of life. You're not at a low of life, but it's just kind of like an average Tuesday going through the routine. Yeah.

And it can feel like God's not there. What would you say to the person that doesn't feel God? And so there may be questioning if God loves them. God's worthy of our time and praise and worship even if we don't feel him. You know, that's just a fact. So, I mean, I don't feel God all the time, but I know he's there because he says he is. It's like, do you believe what God says? That's one thing.

Like, if he says he's there, then you should believe that even if you don't feel him. Yeah. And if he says he loves you, then you should believe that even if you aren't feeling the emotion that is associated with love, you know. But I also think you have to want it. You have to want to have, like, you have to want the Lord's presence, which in his presence, you get those things, you know.

You get the love, then the feeling that you want, and he wants to give it to us. So I think for people that don't feel it or they're in the mundane, like, you have to want to take that next step, to go deeper into the water of Jesus and just like being with the Lord. And I mean, I pray for it, like, especially early on, like, I would have to pray to, like, want to read my Bible.

I'm like, Lord, I want to read my Bible just not because it's the right thing to do, but I don't want to want to read it. Yeah. Like, I would pray for these things because I know I was like, I was just being super honest with myself and with God. And I would pray for the things that I wanted. And he was faithful, you know. Wow. Yeah. What has God been teaching you specifically lately?

God has been teaching me to trust him, to rely on him, like, daily, and to seek him just like for my life, like what to do with my life. And even in the daily things, like, so I would say just trust, trusting him, relying on him, um,

giving more of myself to him. Like the Lord's just asking for more of my time. Like over the last few years for sure, like, I was telling Isaac this earlier. I used to play video games like six to eight hours a day. Because I just loved video games. Yeah. And then when I was reading my Bible, like,

but I would always read it my Bible first for, what, 30 minutes? And then I'd go play video games for eight hours. Yeah. And then the Lord was just kept, like, convicting me, asking me like, hey, can I have more of your time? like and so eventually now I don't even play video games like that often wow so the Lord just been asking for more of me he's not like you know we feel like we have to give up everything

but the Lord like knows us yeah and he knows like if he was like hey give up your eight hours a video game time right now and like we would be like no like I don't want to do that so he asked me for just a little by little, you know. And then now my love for the Lord and spending time with him is greater than my love for video games, you know, so it's not a hard decision. Yeah. Yeah. Dang, that's so interesting.

I think, well, I want to go back on the trust thing too, because I think that's very important that you brought that up. But yeah, I can't remember if we were talking about it at brunch today, but like I, no, I don't think I told you this. Something I got convicted of, which, you know, this will be, like I don't know when this is coming out

so it might be a while from when this happened but a couple, you know, about five days ago from today I was talking to my friend because I found myself scrolling a bunch on social media and like in random times mindlessly like it was a subconscious behavior I was doing like I wasn't even thinking about it. It was just a habit and I didn't like it. Even if it wasn't

anything bad, you know, even though picking it up and scrolling just randomly for a minute. It's like, why did I just do that? Like, why can't I be still right now? Why can't I sit in silence and talk to God? Why am I having, you know, more... Why is it easier for me to pick my phone back up than it is for me to get quiet with God?

And that was like that battle I was having. And finally I got to a point where I just realized that there was a part of me that was... I wasn't dependent on social media. but it was thought, I thought that things were dependent on me, whether it was social media or other things. And I realized, then that root then means that, oh, God can't do something without me.

And when I realized that, going, like getting, you know, talking to Jesus and going, man, I'm so sorry. Like, I repent for not even realizing that I thought I couldn't, that you couldn't do things without me, you know? Yeah. And ever since, like, kind of deleting the social off my phone and just getting that time back, spending more time with the relationship,

spending more time in conversation and fellowship with people and Jesus and my wife and actually enjoying the world that God created, it's definitely, number one, taking a weight off my shoulders, but also I've experienced this new profound level of knowing Jesus. And it all stemmed back from three months ago. I felt like God was telling me to delete, social media off my phone.

Yeah. And I convinced myself that it wasn't him telling me to do that. And it slowly, like, blinded me. Yeah. So why he was telling me to get off. And I didn't realize how it was affecting me and affecting my heart

and affecting our relationship and my relationship with people and friends and things. And now I'm so glad that, you know, God was able to work that on my heart. But I think that's, yeah, I think that's so good. And for other people, media or video games, you know, it may be sports, maybe girlfriend or boyfriend. It may be

something else. But I think it is interesting. So what made you recognize that? Was that just conviction or did a friend say something? Or was it in your Bible time? Like what was what was like the revelation for you? Man, it was like definitely conviction. Like the Holy Spirit was just convict to me. I would like, hey, quick pause. If someone's ever hit you, you with a hard question about your faith and you froze up, this is for you. In case you've never heard of it, Lagos isn't just another Bible app. It's a full study tool. Commentaries, original languages, church history, all in one place. And this is a tool that I've been using for years. So when someone comes at you with something hard, you're not just guessing. This isn't the

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Like, this is my reward for reading my Bible. Yeah. And then I would get up there and be like, I can play for six hours in a row like it's nothing. Yeah. But I can't read my Bible for more than 30 minutes. Wow. You know, or, you know, and that was over the course of like, you know, a few months, like just dealing with that. And then slowly like, the Lord growing me, like, you know, changing my heart to want to read more.

And also, like, I remember one night I was like, I just finished reading my Bible and I was going to get on. And then I played one, like, game. It was like 10 minutes. I was like, I got to get off. Yeah. And I just went back to read my Bible. Like, and I feel like that was a big shift. And, wow.

Me, you know, prioritizing the Lord over, you know, what I wanted to do and, you know, play video games. Well, it's crazy how quick it creeps in. Yeah. Or you don't even realize it. Whatever that. you know, wedge may be of whatever, whatever's blinding you or blocking you or hindering your relationship with God.

But for me, like, the conviction came after the clarity of like why I kept, you know, subconsciously going. You know, and then I realized, oh, wait, I think that God can't do things without me. So that's why I keep inserting myself with busyness. Yeah. Whereas, like, I was blind to it. And then my conviction point before getting the clarity, was why do I feel clouded in my brain? Like, why can't I hear clearly? And why are my desires,

like, why is my desire shifted? Yeah. And things like that. And then I was like, wow, this is, but, and then fresh revelation is so cool once you get fresh revelation after a while or whatever it may be. Have you ever heard that quote? I've been talking about this a lot, but it just makes me laugh and I can't stop thinking of it. People say, uh, the teacher stays silent during the test. Yeah. Dude, I hate that quote. Yeah. I hate that quote. Yeah, I think it's so dumb. Well, because like, people like use that, I think as a as a crutch to go, oh, this is why I can't feel God because God's testing me right now. And I'm like, okay, is that why you can't feel God or is you just Bible shut? You know what I mean? I'm like that. God doesn't stay silent during the test. He's in the test with you. He's in you

at every low. And I think people expect revelation every time from God. And I've fallen victim of that too. I expect God to shine a ray beam down on, oh, you're supposed to make this decision. But actually, God might just be trying to teach me how to be a better friend. Yeah. And this and that's how I hear God. But that quote makes me just like freak out a little bit because I'm like, man, like that is, I don't want to use that as a crutch. You know what I mean?

And I've used that in the past as a crutch. And I know so many people do. And that might even blind people like a mistake like I'm talking about and you're talking about where it's like, no, that was a self-inflicted mistake. Like, we were choosing something over God in that moment, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was a habit I just had before I was even walking with the Lord. So, like, yeah, I mean, it had to make a shift, you know, once I decided to fully just give

my life to Jesus. Like, you know, that was something the Lord was just teaching me anyway. But, I mean, it was hard, you know? Yeah. I definitely chose video games over time with the Lord many times until, like, you know, you know, the Lord was asking little by little until my love grew, surpassing for the other things, you know. Is there like a hobby or a personality trait that,

so like that's something that you carried over from before you were walking with the Lord and then God has told you to surrender it? Is there like a hobby or a personality trait that God has used that you were once using for yourself for him? Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, I'm trying to think, though, because, I don't like talking to people like a lot. I'm not a big like talk.

I don't like talking. Wait, really? You're not a big talker? No. Okay, I was just curious. Oh, you did? Yeah, I guess you knew that, huh? But yeah, I just like, I'm fine with staying in the house and never seeing a person.

You know, like, but and that's like my personality. The Lord's like calling me out of that to, you know, talk to people because. Yeah. You know, I do, the Lord has blessed me with the influence, and he's using that, you know, to reach other people, you know. Yeah. So that's something that I've been growing in and learning, like, okay, like, I just need to be uncomfortable.

Yeah. And just talk to people, you know, and genuinely, like, listen to them and, you know, because I need to have, like, that heart for people that, you know, the heart that the Lord had for me, like, I need to have that for other people, you know, even if it's not my natural tent. Yeah. I love that you earlier two brought up trusting God. Because when I'm thinking back on when people ask me what I'm learning, I always find myself saying, I'm always learning to trust God. Or when I talk to older people, every time I see Cliff, I go, what's God teaching you? And he goes,

oh, I'm learning to trust God. I'm thinking, dude, you're like 70-something years old, bro. Like, you would have thought you had a grip on trusting God right now. And he's like, one time he's told me, he was like, yeah, like, you never stop learning to trust God. Yeah. And I just thought that was so profound. So when you bring that up, I'm like, you know what, I'm in that season. Even if I'm on like the peak,

oh, I feel his presence, this is amazing, and I'm on this, because, you know, people have those moments. Yeah. It's like, I'm still learning to trust you. Yeah. Because even though I can't see you and I know you're there, the, I got laid off.

my job the next week or I got the cancer diagnosis or I got you know I I fell back in the center whatever that you know it may be insert for each person yeah um it's like man trusting God is this this continual place of God I need you so bad or I thought I understood or yeah that was me in marriage bro I got engaged and I thought for two years after dating Maddie for two years I had a grip on what it meant to serve Maddie and be humble yeah And then I'm month into marriage. I'm like, I'm the most selfish person ever. And I like, I need to trust you, Jesus,

unteach me what it looks like to be a better husband, a better friend and things like that. Yeah, I feel like God gave me a revelation about trusting and relying on him like in this season. It's like, say like this is a season of your life. We're trusting in God for this thing. Once you've trusted in God, it's now like you move into the next season of,

okay, how am I supposed to trust God now? Like, now, Lord, how am I supposed to rely on you? It's like it gives you a new thing to trust in him for after you've gotten the last one. Yeah. And I'm like, I've seen it in my own life. Like, okay, Lord, I'm trusting him for this. Oh, now I've actually put my trust in you for this.

And now it's something new. Yeah. It's like he upgrades you to the next thing in your life that he wants you to rely on him for and trusting him for. So when you say Cliff 70, he's like, I'm learning, I'm trusting God. I feel like God just gives you something after you've gotten the last one

now let's move to the next one and the next one. So I feel like the Lord shared that with me about trusting. So it's just like, I'll ask myself like, okay, now Lord, what do you want me to trust in you for? Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

So you're a dad now. Yeah. Do you like being a dad? I love it. Yeah. How's that been? It's been good. It's definitely growing me in like patient. Yeah. Yeah, you know, babies, you take care of them.

It actually, like, once you have a kid, it's like, you don't worry about your own life anymore. Like, as you used to, it's like, your life is second now. Like, you care about your child's life more than your own. Like, it's crazy switch in your mind. Like, and that was something new, like, which I didn't really notice at first. until I'm like, I'd rather take care of my child first than my own well-being, you know, just because, like, I feel like God does that with us too, like, you know,

like I live for something else now, you know, like it's not just me, you know? So, yeah, that was something that was new for me. It was good, like, I obviously take care of myself, but like, you know, I prioritize my child over myself, you know, and my wife, like, as well. It's like, I guess you're not a dad yet, so. Not yet. But I, Baddy and I definitely want kids.

We talk about it a lot. I think, I mean, I won't really fully come to terms with what it mean to be a dad until, like, we actually, you know, find out we're pregnant and what that looks like. But, yeah, every time I, like, I have friends that are single and they get, then they date someone, then they get married, and then they start to have kids. It's like their whole perspective of God changes. And I heard people say the same thing about your wedding day.

Like, oh, once you get married, you see God in a whole new light. And I got hit with Revelation, seeing Maddie walk down the aisle. And I was like, wow, this is powerful. Like, thank you Jesus. And then now, like, every time I hear someone say, oh, you get revelation in this way and you get Revelation. And I'm just really looking forward to that day as well. but, you know, kind of having a,

I guess, an understanding of how valuable children are. I've always loved kids. I bet you're the same. You know what I mean? I loved volunteering at the VBS back in the day. Yeah, I remember. Which that does. You know, just all the parents watching out there, like,

as a former VBS child, I don't know if you went to VBS for a kid, but you become a menace when you get dropped off at VBS. Oh, yeah. Like straight up, you do some crazy stuff. Yeah. You don't care. your parents aren't around. It's like, I'm going crazy.

So, like, it can be interesting to deal with. But, yeah, no, we definitely want kids. And, yeah, that's just going to be a beautiful season, you know? I mean, when you had your kid, did it make you view the father surrendering his only son and, like, a profound, in a new perspective? Yeah, I mean, my appreciation grew even more. my understanding grew even more because I get it now. And also, we're God's children, right?

It's like he gave up his one and only son for his other children. And it's like I'd give up anything for my child, you know. Like I'd sacrifice anything for my child. So in that aspect, it's like I get it, you know. I get it. Like, obviously I don't get it. to the full capacity as I'm not God at all. So, but like, I understand, like, it's, I give up anything, you know,

to see my child happy or safe or fulfilled or whatever it is, you know. Yeah. So it definitely, like, gave me just a new perspective of the father, you know, and his love for us. So when you had, when you had your kid, did it change the way that you view your own purpose or what God has called you to? Yeah, I mean, I think it added purpose to my life, meaning like, you know, I have to take care of my child,

train them up, you know, in the ways of the Lord. Like, that's part of my job, you know. Like, God, like, we always have this checklist of like, okay, I got to provide, I got to get this, this, this, this. But God's already promised those things for us. like he's going to provide for us clothes, feed us. But we've been tasked with training up our children in the ways the Lord. Yeah.

So that's something that's really giving me purpose is just cultivating that atmosphere of Jesus at such a young age. And like, obviously they'll make a decision on their own, you know, when they're able. But, you know, my house is going to serve the Lord, you know, while you're under the roof of my house. Yeah. And it's kind of like I grew up in a Christian home. And then once I left my parents' house, I just did whatever I wanted. Yeah. And it led to depression, anxiety, loneliness.

And then I ran back to the Lord. Because that's, I needed that. I needed it. So I'm trying to do the same thing in my child, you know, create that atmosphere and principles and foundation of faith. And, you know, pray it sticks. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's awesome. So tell me about these college outreaches that you're going to start. Like, how did that exactly come about? Yeah, so I went to this thing at NC State. It's a college in North Carolina. And they did this, like, outreach on the campus. I went to just to be at it and, like, just be in, like, the crowd or whatever. And it was so cool, like, the what they did.

they did worship and they did like a teaching on healing with a testimony attached to it. Same thing for deliverance and prophecy. And then they were just like, yeah, if you want to get healing, come over here and we're going to pray for you. You do with depression, anxiety, loneliness, whatever it is. Like, come over here and we'll pray for you to be delivered. And if you just want to hear God and you don't know if he's real, whatever it is, you just want to hear the voice of God or hear God speak to you,

come in this line and we're going to pray for that. And that inspired me so much. And the Lord really put it on my heart to do that on different campuses and just try to recreate that so that people can see the power of God. And, you know, when I have an encounter with the Lord, it's undeniable, like he's real, you know?

At least in my mind, like, so I want other people to have that. that because I had an encounter with the Lord and that's how I just really just was all in for Jesus. So I want people to experience the power of God like I did and just be all in for Jesus. Yeah. Hey, quick break. Let me tell you about today's sponsor, Liberty University. And I want to be completely upfront about something.

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placed college campuses on your heart. We're doing some campus stuff at the fall a little bit different than yours, more like dialogue, evangelism. Yeah. Style. You have to unite that's doing stuff all over campuses. All the already, all of the amazing college campus ministries that are just crushing and reaching it. And I just think it's so cool. I think it's so cool that students, people go to college for four years and what career path they choose, the people they surround themselves with, whether they're in a fraternity and a sorority,

what they do on Friday and Saturday night, what they do during the week, shapes them for the next 60 and 70, 80 years of their life. Yeah. 50, whatever it may be. And God trusts certain people or places it on people's hearts to try and be a disruptor and what people think is right for them to kind of shift them to go another direction.

you know, like, I think sometimes people view, like, no one preached the gospel to me. And even looking back, like, growing up, I don't remember someone preaching the gospel to me because I grew up in a private Christian school and I grew up in church. So it was almost like, oh, well, you know it. Because you grew up. Yeah. But then I'm like, always wonder, and obviously hypothetical is we'll never know. Like, what would have happened to someone actually?

preach the gospel to me or challenged the way I view life or challenge my morality like what would happen so it's kind of cool that you want to be that disruptor especially like with something like healing and and prophecy and stuff like that it can kind of soften people's heart to the reality that God is real when God supernaturally intervenes in people's lives I think it's super cool visit bet mdm casino and check out the newest exclusive the price is right fortune pick BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. 19 plus to wager.

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And I feel like the people that want it are going to come up, you know, get their prayer, get paid for whatever they want to receive. And then the people that are staying back are going to see it. and then like it'll soften their heart and then they'll come up you know so i feel like it's going to be like a a trickle effect to soften other people's heart or maybe that the next time they go to some sort of like church event or something like that then they'll jump in or you know it will just have like this effect when they see other people receive from god and see the power of god so i think even if people aren't ready in that time like seeing other people be ready it will just like help them

you know, take that next step. For sure. I'm just super excited about it. Do you know what colleges you're going to? Yeah, I mean, the first one, I'm just going to do at ECU in my hometown. The Pirates. Yeah. Let's go.

Yeah, we'll do it at ECU and we'll figure it out, like, really get it efficient and flushed out. You know, there's going to be some mistakes on the first one for sure. And then hopefully we'll just get it down to, like, really flushes. out and we'll just pick it up and place it on different campuses, you know, across the country. That's what God wants to do with it. Which I believe he wants to. It's amazing.

What do you think college kids are searching for right now? I think a lot of people, even when college students are searching for hope. Yeah. And purpose. And satisfaction. And all those are like hand in hand, I feel like. but everyone, especially in the work that I'm in, like YouTube, the DMs that I get are, like, people are searching for hope.

Like, they need something to give them hope. Like, if I have this, if you can give me this, I'll be okay. Like, I'm hoping that you can give me a million dollars. Like, people ask me so much for money. It's like, I don't have money to give you. But they're really searching for is hope, you know? Yeah. Like they're hopeful.

Like if they reach out to me for money, that that's going to save their life. That's going to set them up for life or, you know, satisfy whatever they're searching for. Yeah. So I think in general, just the campuses, the students are searching for hope, satisfaction. Because they, I mean, you see it in the fraternities, like, they find their satisfaction in their, like, brotherhood. And, like, they have each other's backs. But then when you go out of there, like, what now? Yeah.

you know, but Jesus gives you that everlasting hope, you know? Yeah. In any circumstance, like we were saying earlier, we have it all with Jesus. And I say this, like, I've said this to the Lord, like, many times, like, I'd rather be homeless and know you than have everything in this world and then not know you. Yeah. You know, I'd rather be under a bridge with my family living on the street, but know Jesus. Didn't have everything in this world and not know you. Yeah.

So that's how much hope, like, we have in Christ. Yeah, I want people to have that. So where are you at with God right now compared to a year ago? Man. Well, number one, you had hair a year ago. Okay, yeah. When I had a kid, I shaved my head because it was so much stress, like, just taking care of my hair. Yeah.

I had a long hair, and I'm like, I used to part it to the side. I put a little gel in it. Yeah. And I just, I can't do this. Bro, but you have a great head shape for shaped head. Oh, thank you. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I, if I shaved my head, like, I would look like an egg.

Dude, actually, if I went bald, bro, I have like this dip. Like, it's like a, shh. Am I in the middle of my head? No, you don't, bro. Yeah, bro, I'm telling the video games, I got the headphone dent. The headphone dent. Well, my next question was going to be like, are you, would you ever? consider going like a

skin fade, like bald only, Mr. Killeen? No. My head is like, I got corners. Corners? I got sharp head. It's the hair that's covering it. It makes it look round.

Well, bro, it looks perfectly round, but I really want to see this headphone dent that you claim to have and just come touch it. I can touch it. Do you start back here and then just run your fingers through the middle.

Hey, whoa. Bro, you didn't have a dent. I'm not gonna lie, he has a dent. He has a dent. Yeah, I'll never be bald. It's always gonna be something. You weren't lying. Wear a hat.

Dude. Oh, snap. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't have a dent in my head, but like my head would look long. Yeah. Like, uh, it would be like long like this. Like, uh, Indiana Jones. Not like the kingdom and the crystal skull.

You seen that movie? It's got like the big. Whoa. Yeah, no. My head would be like a... Who's that... You ever seen that, like, a monster? I think it's from the Goonies.

He has, like, a really tall head, but mine would be, like, backwards. Yeah. You know? Which is unfortunate. Mm-hmm. You'd be like one of those, like, speedwalkers, you know, the helmets?

Oh, yeah. Oh, I need one of those... Yeah, the speedwalker that curves all right down. Yeah, I think, like, I... I am, like... I wish I had a head that I could shave my head. Like, I don't have a bad. hairline I don't feel like.

Like, I feel like my hairline's not bad, right? Yeah, I think it's normal. Why are you laughing, Chris, Kim? What do you think is so funny about my hairline? I took my hat off because I, and I feel like someone's going to Photoshop that, make me look like I have like a nine head. So other than God taking away your hair, what else is going to be? That was really my decision, but.

Now, the lover's been growing me in so many ways, man. It's like learning how to listen. That's one thing the Lord's growing me in. for sure. Like I did this thing where I was like, Lord, I'm just going to listen to you for 40 days straight. Like I do these things, these challenges for myself like that I don't tell anybody about.

Yeah. You know, it's just between me and the Lord. But I did this thing where I was like 40 days in a row, I'm going to sit with you and not do anything and just listen for as long as it takes until I hear you. Dude, I see it's so funny because you're like doing your own Mr. Beast challenge. Yeah. But the reward is not financial.

It's just like you're the reward, Jesus. But like I'll do a 40 day. I'll listen to you challenge. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. It's ingrained in me. It's really funny. Yeah, that's awesome.

I don't even think about that. Yeah, I like that. So, like, for me, I'm really curious to know this because now you've got like a family and you have a child. Like for me, my routine right now, like I have like a routine. That's like if I can do this thing and get this stuff done to, start my day. I will be the best version of myself for Jesus, for my wife, for, you know, my friends and things like that. And now, like, obviously that's, maybe your routine looks different.

What does your faith look like day to day with having a family? Yeah, I mean, with or without a family, I need Jesus every day. Like, with a family, it's like the timing of when I spend my time with Jesus, like, you know, know, just me and him, like, you know, in my room or whatever. It can vary. So, like, if I'm waking up super early, because my child's up, then I'll spend time with Jesus when my kid goes down for a nap. That's, like, my time that I have. So it just depends. Sometimes you've got to switch it up, but I like to do it during my kid's nap time. Yeah. Like, it's when I spend time with the Lord. But I

won't do anything else. Like, outside of taking care of my family, I need to spend time with Jesus or I'm not going to, like, it's a non-negotiable, like, thing for me. Or I'm more impatient. When I don't, I'm less compassionate.

Same. I don't care about people. Yeah. It's like, I have less, like, a heart for people. Like, yeah. I'm not looking at them how the Lord wants me to look at them, like all all the things yeah you know it's just like I need to be filled with the love of Jesus every single day so that I can be a good husband a good friend a good coworker a good stranger you know to to whoever I run into and in a good father you know and it's yeah it's just a non-negotiable like I have to pray and I have to read you know yeah I put God first in that like for sure

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, you can obviously just being around you, it's always a encouragement, just being around you and the joy that you carry and things like that. I mean, it's evident that you care about Jesus, you love him, and, you know, it overflows in the way you interact with people. You know, I really appreciate that about you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I think, yeah, I think that's so cool because a lot of times on, I remember we did a thing at Auburn University, earlier this year and someone asked me how do you fit God and you're in a busy schedule like as a college student and I wasn't accusing

this person of this but like a lot of times we like ask how to like we wonder how to fit God on a busy schedule but then we'll spend like five hours a day with our boyfriend or girlfriend yeah it's exactly what you were saying earlier it's like well you make time

for the things you care about yeah you know not even just like oh this time is me you Jesus, but on my drive to school, maybe I listen to worship music or I listen to the podcast or the sermon and, you know, in between classes or thought, you know, I pray and things like that. Or if someone texts me and ask me to pray for them instead of saying, yeah, I'll pray for you. You send them a voice memo of you praying right then because you're just trying to walk that faith out, you know, and like take the step forward and things like that.

And I always think, I just think that when we. ask questions and think, like, even as I'm, like, talking to you is we're putting this, like, mental gymnastics on God. Like, God's trying to go, like, we have to go through all these hula hoops to get to God. And God's like, no, like, just talk to me. Yeah. Invite me into it. Like, I ask me what you're, what, what you should wear today. Maybe I'll use that to start a conversation with that person about Jesus or ask me where to go for breakfast because there's someone at Chick-fil-A that needs hope instead of McDonald's, you know, like that kind of thing, which is, uh, yeah, I don't know. I just think that's really cool. Yeah. You don't, yeah, it's,

people make it too mystical. Jesus isn't everything you do when you're living for Christ, you know? And like you were saying, the schedule, like, how do you fit God into your busy schedule? It's the opposite. Like, how do I fit my schedule around

my time with God? You know, I craft my schedule based on when I can spend my time with God. Like, you know? Yeah. Like, he's the first thing that goes on the schedule. All right, all right, I block this time off.

now I can start putting my other things in my day around that. Yeah. You know, that way it's like, it's not like, okay, I have my schedule. Where can I fit God in? No, I have my time with God blocked off. Now let's fit my schedule in. Yeah, that's good. So where do you see your, like, life heading or going?

Like, what do you think is next for you? You know, hopefully it's still doing YouTube. You know, I love doing it. I get to do things I never would have been able to do. You know, get to reach. people, see people, meet people that I would have never met. But also doing like ministry, like the outreach is like, I see myself going to college campuses across the country and doing these events.

And hopefully, you know, outside of the country, you know. And I think that's like the path that God has me on, you know. Hopefully doing both YouTube and that, you know, I think that'll be cool for me to be still. doing YouTube and just having that like presence on the one of the biggest biggest channel in the world

while also just doing outreach is like in time that I have you know or scheduling that you know yeah so I think doing that you know that's my future

for what the Lord's put on my heart recently and I'm excited about it like I really believe that God's gonna move just in the coming like in the next five years really like there's going to be like

like this big like it's almost like a rocket ship taken off like I guess rockets take off kind of slow don't they well they start slow maybe they're starting slow right now

like maybe that's the tension right now there's a build up and then yeah it's just going to take off like yeah

there's going to be like impact but obviously like everything that happens behind the scenes it's a long time And then people think it just happens like overnight. That's an overnight success that they were doing stuff for 10 years before that happened. Yeah.

Dude, I heard an analogy the other day where someone was actually told it to Chris was about how a builder on a house, you know, they build the foundation and they start building the walls and stuff like that. And you see like outward change. Yeah. You know, and a lot's going on. You're like, oh, yeah. Like they're doing momentum. They're doing momentum.

And then when they get to the electrical, nothing changes. on the outside. Yeah. But stuff is changing on the inside. Yeah. And I feel like that's what's maybe happening right now. So, oh, wait, we don't see Christianity on this crazy skyrocket incline.

So what's going on? But maybe God's really working behind the scenes on something crazy like he always is. I mean, that's literally Habakkuk, like Habakkuk is complaining to God in chapter one. And then the first thing God says, he sees like, if you knew what I was up to right now, you wouldn't be saying that to that.

Yeah. And like, it's probably true. What about like 10 years from now? Where would you like your life to be 10 years from now? You know, a big family. What's a big family? Like an Oct-a-Mom big family? No, can't do that many.

When I think of a big family, I think of Oct-a-Mom. How many kids do you want to have? Do I want to have? Yeah. I don't necessarily have a number. Like every now and then I'm like, I want to build a dynasty. Like I'm saying not just like one. 19. Like I'm talking a dynasty. You know what I'm saying? I want to have an army behind me.

Yeah. Real champion bloodline. People ready to go to war. Yeah. But then also at the same time, I'm like, I don't know if I could really handle all that, you know? So like, I probably should, should, uh, yeah, I don't really have an exact number, you know? Yeah. I mean, I probably want to have like max four. Okay. I think I can handle four maximum. That's great. I think four is a solid number. Three would be ideal. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's great. Yeah, I don't know.

I like what, well, hey, if Maddie's willing to have multiple, you know, because she's the one carrying her child for nine months, yeah, is. But, yeah, I don't know. Every now and then I'm like, do I want to build a dynasty and take over the world, do you know? Yeah, I mean, that's your whole life, though,

if you have that many kids. Like, you're only, because then at one point, like one of your kids is going to be helping you raise the other kid like they could literally, you know what I mean? Like if you're building a dynasty like that. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's interesting. But yeah, my family, when I have a big family. How many siblings do you have? I have three older brothers.

Okay. An older sister and a younger sister. There's six of us. Yeah, bro. That's getting up there to like, I think a dynasty starts. like eight. Yeah. Like if you had eight kids,

like you're really building a family lineage. Like the chances of one of those kids being a pro athlete or one of those being a president or one of those being like, dude, I don't know. Imagine you just having that. And imagine the family portrait.

Oh, yeah. That would be great. But I'm not talking like a picture on a beach like where everyone's in on Lenin. I'm talking like a painting. Like someone paints you. You know, where like you have,

like the husband and wife like in a chair. And then there's like a... And then there's like a dog laying, like looking directly out. And then you have like the children. Like one of them's like posed with his like hand on his chin like this. And the other one's like got his hand on the shorter kid that's standing in front of him. You know what I mean? And it's like you're looking at 23 and me DNA tests like on a picture.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I think that'd be awesome. I'll come back in three years when you have seven. kids. Yeah, bro. I don't know if that's like, I don't know if that's even like.

Oh, it's possible. Octum. Yeah, but like in three years. So if you have triplets, if you have triplets and two sets of twins, you can make it happen. Okay. Whenever I come back,

I'll be here a third time. Yep. And we'll have all your kids. Yes, and then you'll have a bald head. Yeah. And we'll be able to check out your headphone dent. My,

every, every kid I have, I'm just going to get lower. I like that. Just buzz it even lower. Well, you don't have. You don't have, like, I will say, I think you should try it out. Man, my wife would not like that.

It would grow back so fast. Like, I know, I know your hair grows fast because you had thick hair before. My hair does grow super fast. Yeah, so it would like, it wouldn't be anything crazy. Especially having a, having a buzz cut. You know what I mean? Like, how long is you going to take to grow that out? You know what I mean?

I'm scared, bro. What if I'm a wife's like, I'm leaving. But what, bro, but what have you shaved it bald, then you realize your hair is that ever? We're going to go back. Hats. You know, just hat man. That's me the rest of my life. I glue a hat in my head.

Oh, yeah. That's great. I don't care. I'm never taking it out. I don't want to be bald, guys. Well, to the viewers out there. I don't ever want to be bald.

Wait, wait, let's do this right now. I'm scared. No. What are the odds? One out of a thousand. One out of a thousand. And if we get the same, you got to shave your head bald. Wait, wait, wait.

Hold on. Let me think. Wait, let's do it for both of us. Wait, what? If we say the same number, then we both have to do it. We don't have enough time on the podcast to find out if it'll happen to me, but we have enough time to talk about you because you're the guest visiting. So if we can do one out of a thousand, if we guess the same number,

we got to shave your head. Bald skin fade. I'm actually so scared right now. I've changed the number in my head four times. I've already thought about eight different numbers. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

One, two, three, 13. 32. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Lord. Yeah. All right. Well, that's okay.

I don't know. I felt like you were going to go low, which you did kind of go low. You went 200. What was the first number you thought? Like 900 something. Okay. Then 600. Then 400.

Yeah, really, you shouldn't have been sweating. Now, my friends other night, they did a one out of 100 and they both said the same number. That's pretty crazy. Would you pray for everyone watching and listening right now? Yeah. Yeah. Lord, I just thank you for this time. that we got to spend together,

would I thank you for the viewers watching this, Lord? God, I pray that the people that are in the situation that I once was, Lord, that you would, Holy Spirit, just prompt them to want to seek you and to know you. You're not some far-off God that's just in the sky, Lord. You are nearer than a brother, closer than a brother, Lord. And God, I just pray that they would seek you and find you, Lord.

I know you'll show up, God. Lord, I pray that they would be humble enough to just put themselves before you and understand that they need you, God, like I needed you that day. Lord, I pray that they would realize they need you before they hit that rock bottom in their life before I, like I did. You know, I was at such a low point, Lord, that I was forced to cry out to you. God, I pray that people would see me and realize, hey, it's, I don't want to get where you. handler was, I can do it now, you know, before it gets like that. So, Lord, I just pray that you would just lead them to that, God. Lord, I see you just show up mightily for those people that want you and fill them with your love and your presence, Lord. God just have to you bless him. Thank you,

God. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.