The Bryce Crawford Podcast - Debunking Islam with Godlogic (EP 147)

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

In this episode, Bryce sits down with Godlogic to discuss the flaws and errors within the demonic religion of Islam.

So you can't have the Quran be perfectly explained, a detailed explanation about everything, but at the same time have verses that are unexplained where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction. When Muhammad married her, Aisha was six years old, nine years old when he slept with him. That's in every single authentic Hadith. If you're watching or listening to this right now, this means this is your sign to come to the Bryce Crawford Live podcast store in 2026. We're bringing it to Australia, New Zealand, and America at the front end of 2026. We're coming to Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Australia.

We're coming to Auckland, New Zealand, Phoenix, Arizona, New York City, Pennsylvania, Boston, Alabama, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina, Sacramento, Sacramento, California, and if you're a Mormon and you want to learn about Jesus and out Joseph Smith, we're going to be in Salt Lake City, Utah as well. A lot of them is sold out, but there's some that have low tickets, and we want to make sure you get your seats. So go to Jesus in the street.org slash tour, get your tickets. Come out to the live podcast show because I believe that God is preparing a word specifically for each city we've been. visit. So go to jesus and the street.org, get your tickets. And we'll see you guys, 2026 for the live podcast tour. All right, what's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryce. Today, this is the most excited I've ever been about a guest.

I'm not lying. I'm so pumped. I've gleaned from our guests so many times, learn from him so many times. Now we're getting to have a conversation. I think he's going to bless everyone. We got God Logic on the podcast. How you feeling, bro? Man, I feel good. Man, I feel very welcomed. I feel very welcome, man. Well, pull that sparkling ice out. Look, man. Hey, when you, when you got your homie, giving you your favorite drinks,

buy the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, your favorite snacks. I feel good. Come on, bro. Let's go. Thanks for making time to come on this. Guys, if you're listening to this, so Avery has had a conversation with the Hebrew Israelites that we've chatted with three times. Oh, yeah.

And so I'm super excited to watch that video. How did that conversation go? So it actually went a lot better than I thought it would. I thought they might be a little hostile. They're way more chill. Yeah, they're very chill. Your average cheaper is right. Yeah.

So I didn't expect that type of a hospitality. Like they said, you know, they had a mic for me and everything. Now, it got to a point where they cut my mic off. Yep. Because I was drilling the elder. I was destroying him, you know, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And so he was getting confounded for real. Yeah.

And so with that being said, you know, we were talking about gender, like whether or not non-Israelites can be saved whether non-Israelites are part of the covenant stuff like that and so I'm showing him these verses and what Hebrew Israelites like to do they like to jump from verse to verse to verse to verse without dealing with the stuff. Yeah. So with me, I'm the type of

I got OCD. We got to finish the verse before we move somewhere else. Yeah. They can't handle that. Yeah. And so it was a dude, that's so true. He yelled at me last time because I told I caught him out for quote mining. I was like bro, you quote mine and he said, I don't quote mine And then he just, he like, he like finished a verse halfway, jumped to an Old Testament verse that was a completely different context.

And I'm like, dude, what are you doing? It's just crazy, bro. Yeah, that's what they do. That's what we call the Hebrew hopscotch. The Hebrew hopscotch. The Hebrew hopscotch, man. They jump from verse to verse. Don't settle nothing.

Quoting out of context. But when you hold them to the verses you're bringing up, they can't do anything because they're out of their comfort zone. Yeah. So you'll enjoy, you'll enjoy this one. This was really good, man. I'm pumped, bro. And, and, you know, I appreciate you for anyone that doesn't know, God, logic, he's just got an incredible ministry of apologetics and preaching the gospel out there.

Could you give it just a brief background about, like, when you surrender your life to Christ, when you start following Christ, and then how you got into this position where you're passionate about apologetics? Yeah, man. And so I grew up in a Christian household. My dad was a preacher, mom, whole family singers and musicians in the church and stuff like that. So I was always surrounded by the church. But I always believed. I always believed, you know, from a very young age.

So I can't remember a time where I did not believe. But a time where I took my face seriously upon my own shoulders was around when I was about 17, graduating high school. That's when I started getting really involved in the church teaching. Sunday school lessons, young adult ministries and stuff like that. And, you know, I had, I think it was about 20 years old when I became ordained in my dad's church as like a young minister, right? And so, yeah, it was pretty cool. So grew up in that way around, but I did not know that apologetics existed. I didn't know what that was. I didn't know what that frame was. I just thought we read the Bible. We learn the Bible. We teach Sunday school, you know, preach our sermons. Nah, but there's stuff out

there that's challenging our faith. I didn't know about that. So go to college, see some Jehovah's witnesses, and that's when I get, as I was telling you earlier, I got cooked. They showed me a verse, you know, we were talking about Jesus being God. They showed me a verse that seemed to show that Jesus was created. And I didn't have the presence of mind to read context. I didn't have that skill yet. So he got me. You know, my back hair standing up. I was sweating. And he was like, man, you got to do your research, man. Put his hand on my shoulder. The guy said that to you?

Yes, he said that to me. I'll never forget him. And until this day, whenever I see a Muslim or Jehovah's witness, it's his face on them. Oh, my gosh. He's not treated the way I do. Nah, but really nice guy, though. He was really nice. And put his hand on my shoulder and said, I need to do my research, need to do my homework.

Wow. And he was right. He was absolutely right, because I had no response to that. And so I was like, man, I know there's verses about Jesus being God. I couldn't think of nothing. So I called my dad like, Dad, like, Dad, ain't they verses? He's like, yeah, man, John 1, John 10, 30. I'm like, duh, right?

But then I started going deeper. I found Ray Comfort, found all these little channels, James White. And so that's when I found apologetics. That is where my love for Jesus, I mean, increased beyond what I thought. Because it's seeing that there's answers and how the Bible is just true with evidence and logic backing it up. Yeah. I felt so much in love with Christ and I was like, yeah, this is what I need to do. Yes, bro.

You know, I, so when I was, I became a Christian when I was 17, junior year, high school. Then my senior year, I went to a private Christian school. So we had to take an apologetics class. Oh. And so that was like my first time ever being introduced to it. It was like when I was 18, we took a whole class. And then our school had a theme verse every year. And it was first peer to 315, be prepared to make a defense to anyone who asked for the hope inside of you,

but do it with gentleness and respect. And so that verse, because that was like in a pivotal year, you know, my first year being a Christian and following Jesus hard. And that verse marked me so heavily because that, you know, there's a lot of people who will preach the gospel and purposefully stir up strife. Yeah.

And then be like, yo, I'm getting persecuted. Yeah. And I'm like, you are not getting persecuted, bro. You're asking for it. Yeah, yeah. You're provoking them. Yeah. But I think there's, I think what I'm so,

encouraged by you is how biblically sound, all your points are, you got all the receipts, but you do it in this like firm, gentle way. It's the perfect balance of grace and truth. It's like, hey, bro, I love you, but you got it wrong. And that's so encouraging. What do you, so when you talk about, I think what you said is important, when you talk about like defending the faith, the Hebrew, Israelites, the Muslims, Mormon, Jehovah's Jehovah's Witness, there is, You said you got to read in context. Yes. Yes.

How do you learn the context of the scriptures? I think it takes practice. Like, so you got to open your mind. Like, I had to open my mind or be exposed to, oh, wow. Like, I'm reading words on a page, but there's a historical background to this. You know, I'm not, this isn't America and, you know, 2025. No, this is first century, you know, Judea that I'm reading this in. And so putting our mindset like the Bible is a historical book, right?

It's a historical book. So look at it in that lens and its history. So language, slang that's even in the Hebrew or Greek, this stuff is used in the Bible. So seeing it in that light, it'll open your world and open your mind on how to read the Bible differently. And so then you're learning, okay, and when you're talking about context, you want to know who's speaking, who's being spoken to. what are they talking about? Why are they talking about it? Where are they when they're talking about this?

When are they when they're talking about this? That's context. And so looking at the passages, maybe even chapters before or chapters after you get this, this framework. And that's how you read the Bible and you understand what's going on. Then you can apply that somehow to even your everyday life. But understanding the initial context is like I think of utmost importance. Yeah.

So when you, so I, genuine question, when you read something like Revelation, right? You read Revelation 3. Yeah. Particularly, I'm just using this as an example. When Jesus is referencing the church of Laotasia, I think I said that right, Laoticaea, he talks about don't be lukewarm in your faith, neither cold nor hot for I'll spit you out of my mouth. Yeah.

I'm in school right now. I'm doing a revelation study. And the first time I ever learned was that that city had piping for the water and because the water was coming from so far away, it would be lukewarm by the time we got to the city. So I always just thought, oh, he's just like flat out just being like, don't be lukewarm. But he was speaking directly to them using imagery that they would understand. Exhibit A guys of context and historical context. Yeah, it was, it was mind-blowing it.

And it was crazy how, I'm not going to lie, when I first became Christian, I thought context was a little boring. Yeah, same. For sure, you know. But then as I read, it makes a story. scripture is ten times more beautiful. Duh, bro, that's, that, right? I didn't know that what you just shared.

I didn't not know that. And so that, but that makes sense. Bringing out, you know, the immediate historical context, how Jesus is speaking to the particular people he's speaking to, to the people of Laodicea, and he's reaching them where they are. That's what is a demonstration of how God or even the, you know, the apostles are reaching people where they are in ways that they can understand. Yeah. So context will help us engage with our culture in its context. Yeah.

And apply this stuff in our context. It helps. We gain wisdom from that. Yeah, that's dope. So there's this, I'm so, I'm so poignant. I'm just going to fire a bunch of questions. Do it, man. Let's get into it.

All across the board. Before we get into other religions, I have a few questions concerning Christianity. Sure. So there's a theological ideal called Solis Scriptura, which is just scripture alone. Allone. Everything I get from Scripture alone, Scripture alone. So something that I think is really fascinating that I'm actually really encouraged by by a lot of my Catholic friends is that they say scripture and how the early church

received ideas, how they treated things. What's your personal opinion on, do you believe in scripture alone? Do you think it's beneficial that we look at the early church history and the disciples of the disciples and how they receive things? What's your kind of take on that? Yeah. So I, when my take on Sola Scriptor is not a nashivis. negation of church history.

Like I think it's dangerous to negate church history because as we're talking about context, we lose that without the church history. So without the apostles and their students and how they understood what the apostles said and how they break certain things down, if we alienate ourselves from that, we're missing a chunk of context. Yeah. Christianity in context. So, but as the baseline of our truth, scripture is the baseline of our truth.

Scripture is the baseline of our truth. That doesn't mean we have to reject or deny or alienate ourselves from the apostolic traditions that we see, you know? Yeah. And so obviously we look at everything in the lens of scripture, but we shouldn't alienate ourselves from church history. Yeah. Like it's huge. Matter of fact, it's funny enough, it was a Muslim that taught me that. Wow.

Yeah, so you have Muslims in the Islamic camp, you have what is called a heretical group called Quran. They're Quran only, right? Now, usually Muslims, they'll have Quran and they'll have what is called Hadith, the sayings and teachings of Muhammad. So they go with both and some of their companions as well, right? So they say it's heretical to just go with the Quran alone because the Quran doesn't show you how to pray the right way. It doesn't show you when you're supposed to fast or how. It doesn't like these different details. That's in the Hadith.

So you have to have two, both of them together. So the Muslim said to me, it was like, Avery, you know, if you're you're not, if you're, you're not, if you're, you know, if you're, you're not, if you're, you know, if you're you're going to go with Bible alone. One, without the tradition, without your church history, you don't know where your Bible came from. How can you tell me where your Bible, like, who handed it down to you? If you just alienate yourself from that, you can't tell me. You lose all that history. I was like, and then he was like, that's how it is with the Quran is. I was like, that makes sense. Wow. Yeah, that's extremely encouraging. Yeah, I think, yeah, I love looking at the early church history and seeing things, especially too, when it comes to some, like, I feel like one of the

more dicey topics or like people that get really affinity is when you talk about the sacraments. And that's why I love looking back into early church history and looking at like, okay, how did they take confession? How did they view communion or what did baptism look like? Particularly, you know, something I wrestle with constantly is communion, right? Like my Catholic friends believe in transubstantiation, which is this idea that the bread you consume literally becomes the physical flesh of Jesus. Now, I personally think you can't look at the sacraments and say that there's nothing

holy about it. Like, I don't, I don't hold this like hardcore Southern Baptist perspective. Oh, it's just a symbol. I'm like, no, I don't think it's just a symbol. But a lot of times when I talk to my Catholic friends, they bring up that passage in John 6. Eat up my flesh. Yeah.

But when I read the scripture, that's the only. time that that's referenced not with associated with communion it's like just like it's kind of like in there you know what i mean so what you know i would love to hear your thought on comments on communion and things like that yeah so i i i don't hold that that view that it's uh like the literal body of christ or the blood of christ i don't hold that view i definitely similar to you like i believe that there is there it's holy it's a it's a holy sacrament It's not just simply a symbol that we just take part in. It doesn't mean anything like that.

No, I think it truly, it truly represents the body being broken and his blood being shed for us and representing the new covenant. I truly believe that that's what it is. And by dishonoring that, there's going to be, there's repercussions that happen. So I definitely believe it is a holy sacrament. I would say this because I'm not a hardball on this either. I'm not like I'm looking in. I'm learning to see what they all are saying.

I haven't been convinced, you know, that it's like the literal body and blood. I haven't, I haven't been convinced of that. Yeah. So I'm not denying like, oh, no, no, no, I just haven't seen a reason to believe that necessarily. Yeah. To have to go that far with it, you know. No, no, I'm right there with you too. So another question I had was, um,

So this is this is my Bible, my physical leather, awesome Bible. Got the, got the notes out, got the everything, nope have fused with it. Come on, bro. Beating it up. Where did we get this? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when did this 66 books become a thing?

When did we, like who decided that the 66 books were in there? Where did we get that? How do we trust that? That's something that I've really been wanting to know and understand. Yeah. Yeah. That's going deep into the later end of Christian history because when you're talking about the 66, obviously there were more than that the Ethiopians, they have like 80 of them,

you know, Orthodox. But this is talking about the canons, right? The canons and what they decide what is deemed helpful for the church and what isn't. So when it comes to the 66, from what I've learned is that they didn't deem these books as, as inspired by God, more so information on history and stuff like that, but is not, thus says the Lord. And that's what you, in a lot of apocrypha, you don't find God speaking. You just find a recollection of history with the Jews and stuff like that. So that's why you'll see a different canon within Protestantism because they're saying these

books, like the Torah, the writings of the prophets, the poetry books, the gospel, obviously, in the apostle writings. These are inspired by God. God actually inspire these authors to write. These are his words. You're right through these men. The Apocrypha aren't really inspired by God, although helpful for information.

And the church was using that. Yeah. So on the other side, the apostolic side, they're like, man, the church was using this. So there's no reason to take these out, you know? So, but I actually have to look into to see if they hold that all of those books are inspired by God or not? Or is it just that because the churches always use these,

that they keep them, you know? So I have to look into that myself too. Yeah. But yeah, that's what I know so far. That's super cool. That's super cool. Yeah, I've always, the Apocrypha has been interesting to me. Yeah.

I've read them. I think they're valuable and I think they're great. I personally don't look at them as inspired scripture. Yeah. But I've always wanted, yeah, I've always just been like, where did I get this nice Bible? Where did I get this thing? Like, who decided this? Yeah.

The reason is what they do, what they do? It's like this, man, is one, you have to, you had to be a prophet. You had to be an apostle of God or a companion of the apostle, right? You had to know these people. You had to be in the grain of things. Yeah. To be, to be an author and a writer. and this is how they were able to spot out forgeries really early on when they tried to say the, you know,

say the Gospel of Mary or Thomas or something like that. They were able to call these things out, Peter and stuff like that. They were able to call this stuff out because they had this system where you're a prophet, you're an apostle, you are a companion of the apostle, and you're in line. It's consistent with everything, right? So that's how they would make these decisions. Yeah. And those are, you said you mentioned the Gnostic Gospels.

Does that be you imagine? Can you explain? I don't know about that. What are the Gnostic Gospels? So you would have these heretical groups that would pop up, these Gnostics, and they had a bunch of different beliefs, but a lot of their beliefs, a main thing was that the physical world was evil.

Everything physical, everything material was evil. So a lot of them didn't believe that Jesus actually was really human because flesh is evil. So they didn't believe that God would take on flesh. They wouldn't take on this material world in any way, shape of form so that would be impure of him so they have this this view that they pressed and they i think uh gnosticism has to do with like hidden knowledge they believe that they had some secret hidden knowledge that the other people were missing and didn't have and so um they would come out

with all these type of forgeries to try to get their writings authoritative and get them some uh some clout uh but it didn't work interesting yeah so i really want us to talk about today Islam and Mormonism. Let's do it. These two, particularly Islam, I believe, is, personally I believe, is one of the biggest antichrist in the world. Yeah, if not the. Totally deceiving people.

Wait, really quick, what would you say is the biggest? Oh, it definitely is the biggest. Yeah, Islam is definitely the biggest. I mean, fastest growing religion in the West. I mean, just the impact Islam is having on people. I mean, I know people that I went to high school with or that are my age that went to other high schools that did grow up Muslim,

have no Muslims in their family that have converted to Islam. Yeah. And now like TikTok shops just pushing all these like English Qurans on people, which is absolutely crazy. Like what the heck? Yeah. It's easy to.

as a Muslim concert creator pushing Islam, it's easy to get numbers and be in the algorithm. It's so easy, bro. So, like, what? So there's so many different things that I've heard about Islam. And if I could say there's something that's your bread and butter, it is Islam. Yes, sir. I've heard

that Muhammad thought that the dreams that he was having were demonic. Yeah, at first. So at first, he got this revelation in the cave. Okay. And in the cave, and you'll see this inside Bukkari, this is a hadith. So this is a narration that, so when it comes to their hadith, they have certain levels of, like, their authority. Bukhari would be like their highest list like next to the Quran.

It's not equal with the Quran, but it's like right under it. That's their next authentic book, right? So in Bukhari, he narrates a story where Muhammad is in the cave, he receives his revelation. And the spirit being, whatever this entity is, doesn't announce who it is. He doesn't say, hey, my name is this, yada yada, no. What he does is he shows up, pops up and Muhammad says, read. Now, Muhammad's supposed to be illiterate. So, Mohammed's like, I can't read.

So what the spirit does is he grabs him, presses on him until he can't, like, breathe and take it anymore. It's causing him pain. And then he releases him and says, read. He's like, I can't read. You know, this happens over and over. And so until finally, the spirit lets him go and tells him a verse, I guess, of the Quran. And then so Muhammad leaves run. runs out of the cave and the Hadith says that he's trembling in terror, sweating, veins of his neck is

like bulging, you know, had this real spiritual experience and he runs to his wife, Khadija, and says, cover me, cover me, because he was that scared. He's like, I think there might be something wrong with me, you know, that either like he's possessed, like he's being attacked by a demon, or that he's going crazy. That's what he thinks. And so it takes Khadija, Cadija takes him to her cousin, Warika, supposed to be a Christian, but he's a heretical Christian. He's like, oh, yeah, now, don't worry about it, man, you're a prophet. The same thing happened to Moses. This is the angel Gabriel who appeared to you. And the same angel appeared to Moses in, in Exodus, basically. So that's where he learned that he was a prophet.

What the heck? Yeah, exactly. Bro, that's like the worst ever. I feel like every time an angel comes and shows up in scripture, people fall down and try to worship it and they're like hey don't worship me my name so-and-so like I'm not worthy of worshiping but this dude just beating on beating on mahomet yeah yeah I body slamming them you know red dulling them you know just having us always suplexing them archa-oing them and but but this is the crazy thing like you said when we look in the Bible and we look at how God appeared to his prophets or other people or the angels they

were always comforted. Now there would be some times where initially there will be fear, they'll be startled a bit, right? You would expect that. You see this random angel coming, just pop up in your room. You're going to be frightened. Like, who are you? What are you, right? Yeah. However, the angels always say peace, fear not, be not afraid, right? A really good example of this is Daniel. Daniel was having these visions and dreams, right? And he was troubled by his visions. He prayed to God, man, send me like explain this stuff. He was troubled. God sent Gabriel. Gabriel comes and Daniel is afraid when he sees Gabriel. He's frightened by his sight, frightened by the vision, doesn't know what to do. I couldn't speak. He faints. He falls down. What Gabriel does is he picks him or he says, stand up. Helps him up. He says, I can't walk. He gives him strength in his legs and he can stand. But he can't speak. He's like, he's like mute, he says. And then Gabriel touches his mouth, strengthens his mouth, gives him ability. to speak. So we see that Gabriel comforts Daniel, encourages Daniel. He says,

Fear not, O man of God, you are favored in God. For he heard you. He heard your prayers. And he's bringing down the explanation of the revision he gave you. Exact opposite from Daniel, comforted by the angel when he's fearful, comforted and encouraged versus with Muhammad, he's antagonized and frightened and oppressed. Two different things. This looks clearly demonic while this one by Daniel is clearly sent by God. Totally opposite, bro. How do Muslims reconcile that with like? They can't. I mean, what do they do? They just ignore it. They skip over? It's a, it's, you know, ducking your head under the sand. Why they'll just say, oh, you know, this is different. You know, Muhammad, every prophet has their trials, has the different,

you know, trials. But they can't deal with the fact that you look at every prophet and how they received revelation. There isn't one prophet that was oppressed that was frightened, that felt like they were demon possessed. And by the way, at the end of the Hadid that talks about how Muhammad was trying to throw himself off a cliff. What? He was trying to commit suicide.

Because of the demonic Because of, because of one, the revelation that he received in the cave, and also it would stop. These revelations would stop coming to him. So he started doubting that he's actually from God and then tried to kill himself.

multiple times. What the heck. But then the angel will come and say, no, don't do it. You're from God. You're still a prophet. What the heck? Yeah. Does that sound like a true prophet of God to you?

Bro, that is a wildest thing I've actually ever heard of my life, bro. So I think there's two types of Muslims, right? Yeah. Well, no, there's a bunch of Muslims. Or the main or Sunni and Shia. What is the difference between those two? So there's a lot of, man, so, dude, within Sunni Islam, you'll have different schools of thought within Sunni Islam,

saying with Shia. It's the way that they practice their religion, the way they pray, how they wash. They really get into fights of how they wash, whether they're supposed to wipe or they're just supposed to wash. It sounds minute,

but they, like, get into heated things about this. What the heck? Yeah, when it comes to their prayer. That doesn't make any sense to be. I just feel like, yeah, I don't know. It's like, ask. Yeah, I don't know. Theologically, they have different.

Like, remember I was talking about Hadith, right? Yeah. Sunnis and Shia, they have their own set of Hadith. It's like they have their own history. So where they break off with their history is who was supposed to take over after Muhammad. Is it the family of Muhammad or is it just his companions, his friends that took over? And so they fight about that. And so that really splits them up.

You even have some Shias that accuse Sunni Muslims of corrupting the Quran. distorting it. Whoa. So is there like actual like physical major beef between those two groups? Dude, they kill each other all the time. What the heck? Yeah. Bro, that's insane.

So what is what exactly is the origin of Islam? Like where did this whole thing start? Well, if we go with the traditional narrative, you know, it started right there with the story I gave you. Yeah. Muhammad is this guy, you know, who. goes into this cave. His parents were pagan idol-worshippers. He goes into this cave and he has an experience. And he's friends with this Christian who is supposed to be skilled in writing down the gospel. And so he learns a lot from him. He's surrounded by a lot of Jews. So he's hearing a lot

of their stories. And then also the pagans. So he has influence from the pagan idolaters in Arabia, the Jewish folks in Arabia and the Christians in Arabia. And what he does is he takes it all and puts it an Islamic twist on it. So you'll see elements of the pagan idolaters like circling the Kaaba, kissing the black stone, these goddesses that he mentions and stuff like that. You will see, obviously, he's repeating the stories of the Torah, of the Exodus and stuff like that, even though getting them wrong puts an Islamic twist on it. And then obviously the stories of Jesus.

But a lot of it, a lot of his stuff comes from the night. He gets a lot of stuff from Gnostic sources like Jesus creating a bird from clay. That's Gnostic, right? Jesus speaking from the cradle. That's not in the gospel. That's a Gnostic gospel. So the emphasis gospel of Thomas and all this kind of stuff, that's, he's hearing these stories, these traditions, and that's what he's putting into the Quran as if it's revelation from God. Holy smokes.

This dude's just a big, he just got jacked up. Yeah. Yeah, it was messed up. You know, when you look at Muhammad's story, at first you like, dang, like, I feel sorry for him because he was completely deceived. But after that, the stuff that he did, you don't feel sorry for him. I mean, what kind of stuff was he doing? Sleeping with little girl, like Aisha.

How old was she? There's like debate on it. There's no debate. Aisha was six years old when Muhammad married her. Nine years old when he slept with her. Oh my gosh, bro. That's in every single. single authentic hadith.

Every authentic narration, they all agree on Aisha's age being nine years old when Muhammad slept with her and he was about 54 if I'm not mistaken. So imagine that. So sleeping with a little girl saying that

Allah showed me her in a dream, showed me you in a dream and so now when I see you, I take that confirmation that I'm supposed to have you. Allow teaching that you are able to do this not just in his own actions, but you can do this in the Quran. It teaches that, you know, you can marry, divorce, and sleep with little girls. You know, that's chapter 65, verse 4.

It talks about how when you're divorcing your women, you can divorce, when you're divorcing the women, they have a waiting period. It's called the idda. So the waiting period is to make sure that she's not pregnant so that she can move on to the next man. Okay, right? So the older women who don't menstruate, that's their waiting period. It's like three months. Given three months, if you don't think they're going to menstruate, if they might be pregnant, give it three months, and then, you know, you can let them go, right? Well, for the child, for the girls, it says,

and for the young, the ones who have not minstrated, it says they have the same waiting period because you don't know if they might be pregnant or not. So, yeah, it allows you to sleep with divorce and marry. What you just described with this six-year-old girl, Aisha, Is that what you said? Her name was Aisha. If in America today,

someone in jail who had committed a crime like that got released into the yard with the other inmates, they would kill him. Yeah, they would take a lot for them not for him to survive. But now you have the founder of a religion, the fastest growing religion in the world right now. And he, people are following this guy. Yeah.

and his teachings. Yeah. And they're completely overlooking this. Making excuses for it. Defending it. Islam is the, as far as what I know, Islam is the only religion that I've encountered that openly defends,

you know, pedophilia. That is insane. Yeah. I think I heard something one time about a Hadith. This is why I'm asking you because I don't want to just, my Bible teacher from high school said always be a good, respectful skeptic. Yeah.

And so I don't want to be a guy that's just like, oh, I heard. I want to know. No, of course, of course. So, So is there a Hadith where it talks about how Jesus comes back to the disciples and he's basically like, yo, these guys are about to kill me. Like I need someone to like take my place. No, there's no Haditha says that.

So you'll find that in a commentary. Okay. So you'll find like a commentary of like Ibikathir. He shares like that opinion that Jesus wasn't crucified, but instead he was talking to his disciples and who's going to take my place for me and a young boy. So that's not theology. That's not Muslim theology. No, yeah. So what is the Muslim stance on what happens to Jesus?

It's a bunch of conjecture. You'll get different ones, like the one, like what you just mentioned, or you'll get that some Muslims will even actually say, yeah, Jesus was crucified. He was, or put on the cross, but he didn't die. God raised him up, Allah raised him up, to himself. So you have some Muslims to say that. You'll have some Muslims to say he wasn't put on the cross at all, but Allah gave a delusion on the people to make them think that he was on the cross.

So you get these different opinions, all this conjecture about what happened. They don't know. There's no consensus on it at all whatsoever. So how do they reconcile the fact that there are the followers of Jesus Christ died for the fact that he rose from the dead? Like what do they think about that? They'll say that that never happened. Or they'll deny that type of history.

Any history that goes against the Quran, they pretty much deny all history, bro. That's so weird. Or they'll, you have some that'll just say that those weren't the real believers. Those weren't the true believers of Jesus. And you have some that say, yeah, the true believers knew that he wasn't crucified and never preached it. That's so interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. So the Quran. Yep. I have one here right now. My boys down the street gave it to me. So. Down the street. Yeah, there's a, there's a, a mosque like.

Five minutes from there. Oh, okay. Yeah. I need to visit there. So they gave this to me. Now, they told me that, yeah, this is the Quran, but it's not really the Quran because it's in English. Imagine that.

So I'm like, okay. But how was the Quran made? I've heard, you know, the story about, you know, there being 10 and one was destroyed. Like, how was the Quran made? Bro, there's this. It's so much, man. but just to keep it, try to keep it as simple as I can. They used to rely on an oral recitation.

They used to rely on memory, right? However, when Muhammad died, when Muhammad died, they used to go into battles. And so what they would do is the people that memorize the Quran, they will put these people on the front lines because they thought that Allah would protect them because they memorized the Quran. So to preserve the Quran, these people need to be.

to be alive and Allah's not going to let them die so they sent them out to battle thinking they would be a for sure victory. News flash they was getting beat up they lost. Look at you that's crazy. News flash they didn't survive. A bunch of the people that was memorized

of the Quran is getting killed off man. So they was like okay this ain't working we need to collect the Quran and make a manuscript and we need to standardize it. So that's what that's when the first standard Quran happened under Abu Bakr.

But then, after that, you know, there were some troubles because different people had different Korans and they were fighting over it. And so, and this is in Uthman's time. And so he's the third Caliph, so the third leader after Muhammad's death. So you had Abu Bakr, then you have Umar,

then he got Uthman, okay? So Uthman, in his time, they're fighting over the Quran. there's different recitations and so somebody comes in like please chief of the believers save us from all of these differences before we defer about the book like the Jews

and Christians do. This is how bad it was. The differences were so bad that it could split the religion of like how Jews and Christians are split. That's how bad it was. So when a Muslim comes and tell us oh no, the Quran's, there's only one Quran.

It's been the same ever since Muhammad's time. There's never been a difference. That's a lie. All you got to do is pick up a Hadidia. and just read. That's all you got to do. So what happens here is he's like, okay, fine. Everybody got these different Qurans out here.

What we're going to do is we're going to rewrite the Quran in a perfect copy. So Uthman has a, he rewrites the Quran and a perfect copy. He sends that Quran out to everybody and says all your other Qurans that you have, whether they're fragmentary or their whole copies burn them all.

Burn all these Qurans that you got. Now imagine this. Imagine if we had a central transmission, a central control, let's say Paul, for example, let's just throw Paul out there. Let's say Paul has central control of Matthew Mark, Luke, and John, the prophets, and the apostles.

And he's like, you know what, guys, we're going to rewrite it. Everybody else, burn the manuscripts that you have. The Muslims will be all over it. They'll be like, man, you see, your Bible's corrupt. Don't you see it? You have this in your history. But it's cool when they do it.

It's a problem when we do it, man. It's a problem when we do it. it. So, but luckily we don't have that. We don't have that central control. Not one person controlled the transmission of the Bible, but you have that in Islam. So you got this, the history of the Quran is very, very complicated. Even the Quran today, like there's so many of them, but the main one that's used, like the English translation you have is, uh, is going to be of the Haft's Quran of the Arabic, the Arabic Arabic Hafts Quran. That was, that was only standardized in 1924. So like 1001 years ago. That's fresh.

that's new. Dang. So, yeah, it's a pretty convoluted history. There's a lot going on. A lot going on. A lot going on. Look, I was just talking about on my way to you, I was talking to a Muslim, and he was

like, your Bible's, they're so, which Bible do you use? How many Bibles you got? I was like, man, I got a lot of different Bibles, man. And I got six different Qurans at the house. He's like, no, no, you lie. You lie. There's only one Quran. There's only, I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, I got six Qurans on my desk.

I would show you if I was at home. He's like, no, all my life, I've only known one Quran. There's only one Arabic Quran. I'm like, okay, I'll tell you what. Follow me. I'm going to go live tomorrow just for you. And I'm going to lay out all my Arabic Quran. Not English.

These are English translations. I'm going to lay out all my Arabic Qurans and I'll show you the differences. Where did you get those copies? Some good people, man. You know, I can give you all my secrets. That's so funny. You got six of the ten different copies that got the show. There's more than ten, bro.

there's like 30 something what the heck there's like 10 like main main ones yeah you know and they're really seven like really really main ones that is insane yeah no no for but people gave like people who are like like like really oh geez and this they gave these to me and so dang they knew where to get them and so they gave it to me that's epic yeah it was dope so one thing that i've noticed about when when i've had conversations in the past with muslims is that their hardest thing is giving up Islam because they will be rejected by their family the loyalty from their family. So like if you're,

when you're having conversations with these Muslims that are slowly becoming convinced of like, okay, Jesus might be the truth. Yeah. How do you,

I've had one conversation like that. And the barrier was, I can't give up the loyalty and the family that I have. It was like the love, the love of the Muslim community was so deep for these people that they're just like,

I can't give it up. Like I'm going to lose this all if I get. So how do you, you how do you kind of explain how do you do you get what I'm saying how do you offer them the opposite yeah does that make sense yeah well it's it's one you you want to be honest with them you got to you got to be honest with them and like that is their reality you you you sympathize with them you show them that you understand that because Muslims they they have a lot they have a lot to lose that they feel they have a lot to lose like you just said their family their lives

like they're in danger for even some of them for even talking having these conversations and having these respectful honest conversations they're in danger with this like i'm live on ticot or live on youtube and like one of the brothers muslim brothers he had to start whispering because his dad got home so he couldn't have this conversation with his dad hearing this or and being convinced yeah so this is what you do so what in my experience what i've done is is i showed them what Jesus said concerning this issue, that Jesus says that he divides, right? He didn't come to bring peace but a sword in context of truth and light being separated from darkness and falsehood. And so you are, and I give it to them, you're talking about your soul here, not the love of your

parents or your family. This is heaven and hell. Whether everybody hates you, this is heaven and hell. And Jesus says, they will hate you. They're going to persecute you, man. But he says that do not fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one that can kill the body and the soul. Right? That those, what's the verse about gaining the whole world, but losing the soul, right? There's a prophet a man to get the whole world before for the soul. Father will fight against son, mother will be against daughter, brother against brother, for my name's sake. And I express them. Jesus already warned us about this. You are just the next living

example, right? But what you can do is that you're in your situation you're born into the family that you're born in for a reason. You're hearing this gospel for a reason and this is for the Muslims listening. You will be that light in your family. You're that light. You're that example. You're that salt

of the earth in your household. While the rest of your family are Muslims and are still deceived, you are that light. You have the gospel and you can live that, be that Jesus that they see. Wow. So giving them that, it has, it is miraculously helped. There was this dude, let me give you just really quick example. There was this grown man. He was so fearful, Bryce. He was like, man, my daughters, they go to the mosque, my wife, she's going to want to leave me.

All the brothers, they're going to be questioning me and asking, like, why am I not, like, what do I do? Do I just stop going to the mosque? Do I, he was so scared, so scared. man. Scared that he's going to leave his family, they're going to lose his family, scared that they was going to come after his family. And him, he was so afraid because he lives in a Muslim and he's heavily involved. Yeah. And so, but glory to God, this is how the Holy Spirit works.

The next day, the next day he joined our live again, completely different attitude. He's like, yeah, guys, Jesus is the truth. I prayed to him and I asked him to help me. and then I spoke to my wife and she says she believes in Jesus too and doesn't want to be a Muslim and now my daughters they're all, we're all Christian now

overnight bro overnight. The whole family. The whole family. He said, I'm not scared anymore. I don't care what they say. You know what I'm saying?

Just the different going from fear to that irrational confidence similar to how the apostles were they ran and flew when they came against Jesus. Then all of a sudden they're preaching in the midst of where their oppressors are.

That's what he was like. That's the Holy Spirit and the miracle of the gospel. Wow. Being honest, though, showing what Jesus says, let the Holy Spirit take it. And God is going to do what he does. That is so encouraging, bro. It was insane. The whole family.

Whole family, bro. Whole family, whole family. You've got the head of the household. He turned the whole place up. Oh, dude, entire household Christian now. It's insane. And he comes every now and then he's like in the comment section on the live stream, you know, shouting us out and stuff.

Like just see, just completely different, man. Come on, bro. So shout out to that, brother, if he ever sees this man, but love you and your family. But, man, God moves and he sees. He's not going to leave you stranded and alone. He's with you in that trouble, in that darkness. Just trust him. Just trust in the Lord, man.

Wow. That's the message. So I heard on a podcast clip last week from an ex-Muslim who's now a Christian saying that Muslims have the ability. to lie for the sake of Islam? Yeah. How can Muslims lie for the sake of Islam? Can you explain that?

Yeah, so there's a, there's like the, they, there's this Hadid that talks about like three situations where they can lie. One is to your wife. You can lie to your wife, yeah. Oh, snap. The women out there would go crazy if that was the case. My wife, she, she wouldn't have it. I can't imagine, like, lying to, I'm not married yet in Jesus' name.

Hey, coming. To my girlfriend, I can imagine lying to my girlfriend. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just and so you can, you don't have to like for a Muslim, you don't have to tell her if you're getting a second wife. Like you just go get a second wife and start a family with her.

You don't have to tell your wife about that. You can lie to her. Wow. Yes. Yeah. So you can lie to your wife. You can lie when it comes to like let's say that you don't have the numbers as a, as an Islamic like, I guess community people.

So you can fake a truce with with the people that you're like, I guess, submitting to or trying to be peaceful with until you get strong enough and you can go ahead and break that truth. Break your oath if you want. And then another one, you can lie if there's two people that are quarreling with each other, you can lie to bring peace between them.

Whoa. Interesting. Yeah. So, bro. Yeah. Thou shalt lie under three cases. That is crazy. That is crazy.

Belshelt lie, bro. Imagine that. So I see a lot of Muslims talk about the Trinity. They always bring up the Trinity. Yep, yep. They deny the Trinity. They're always like, but you have God the Father and God the Son.

Those are two different beings. Yeah. But, you know, as Christian said that the Trinity is one essence, three persons. That's right. How do you explain the Trinity to a Muslim? Well, I like to start with a common ground.

that with a Muslim, they're really huge on Allah being incomprehensible, really huge in that. The Quran talks about how Allah, there's nothing you can compare him to in creation, right? So I like to establish that common ground that we as Christians and Muslims both believe that God is incomprehensible. He's nothing like his creation, right? However, when I talk about Allah, I can point to a lot of things that's like Allah. Allah's only one being in one person? I'm only one being in one person. you're only one being in one person

you're just like Allah I'm just like Allah right but when it comes to the Trinity Yahweh you cannot point to anything in creation you can't use any analogy every analogy you use false short

to compare to God and his nature and so when it comes to the Trinity God truly fits the bill of being incomprehensible incomparable this is not something we can wrap our minds around or make up on our own so that's step one

God is incomprehensible. So just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's not true. Right? Just like you wouldn't say that Allah, when he has a hand or a shin that he's going to show on the day of judgment and you say we don't know what his shin is like.

His hands are not like our hands. We can't explain it, but you still accept it. Have that same energy and consistency when it comes to the Trinity. Just because you can't comprehend the nature of God doesn't mean that this concept is false. Wow.

That's step one. Step two is God is infinite. God is the greatest conceivable being. So, for example, my favorite argument for the Trinity is how God is love. To be love, and I'll ask this question, I said, what would you say is, you would agree that God is the greatest conceivable being? He's the highest in every quality, right? And the Muslim would be like, of course, yes, of course.

I said, so he's the most loving, the greatest love, right? That's right, absolutely. Okay, good. What quality of love would you say is greater? Would you say it's selfish love, love that you just have for your own self? or love that you share with another. They'll say shared love. Yes, I agree.

Awesome. So that means, since we can conceive of a love that is greater than just selfish love, then God has to at least have that quality of love that's greater than selfish love. Share it love, which requires another person. So within God's essence, God has to have shared love, love that he shares with another person without depending on creation. If God is independent, he can't depend on creation. He has to be, have the greatest qualities within his own self.

Wow. With Allah, who is he loving before creation? Himself. Okay. So he has the lowest quality of love. The triune God has the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing that cooperative love together from eternity's past without depending on creation. That's why the Bible says God is love and the Trinity exemplifies that. oh so yeah i'm not even lying that might be one of the greatest examples of the trinity i've

actually heard i've never heard anything that that made so much sense brother it is for me it's it's it's the best argument when explaining it if you're talking about explaining the trinity i think that the love argument is is is top tier so what is what is the difference between an american muslim and a muslim from the middle east yeah So, both of them, I think, would have to do a culture. Like, in American Muslim, it's popular to be a Muslim. It's like the thing to do.

It's the woke thing to do is to be a Muslim or to sympathize with Islam, right? With a Middle Eastern Muslim, it's culture. Like, it's bred into their veins. Like, it's Islam, you know? So it's not even necessarily totally religious. It's cultural. It's what they are. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. So that would be a big difference, I would say in America, it's popular to be Muslim. So you sympathize with Islam. You're woke if you're a Muslim. Or like even if you're not on the woke side, but just that conversion, you're not, you're not in that culture. That it's like you're not bred into it. Yeah.

So, yeah. You know, something that blew my mind, which, you know, if you're watching or listening to this out there or you're, a Muslim I looked into Muslim eschatology and it just blew my mind at how all the bad stuff for Christians is like all they're good stuff I was like what the heck like it's crazy

that is the craziest thing to be all the bad stuff for Christians is the good stuff in their end times we believe in a mass falling away and they believe in a mass conversion to Islam and like yeah Yeah, the crazy thing to me about the Muslim eschatology is in the, they do like, and I could totally be butchering, so correct me. Yeah, I got you.

But it's like they do these parades and celebrations in the street. And like, if you don't convert to Islam, they commit jihad on you and they like behead you, something like that. There's, there's, there's, I don't know about you said a march in the street. They do like celebrations in the street? I haven't heard of that. Okay. However, you have in, like the Quran teaches this. Like literally, this is chapter 9 verse 29.

It says, fight those who do not believe in Allah nor the last day or the final messenger or forbid what Allah and his messenger forbid. Among the people of the book, the people of the book are the Jews and Christians. Until they pay the jizia, right? It's a tax that makes you feel humiliated. until you feel subdued. So the Quran literally commands Muslims to fight against us because, not because we're fighting against them,

but because we don't believe. We don't believe in Islam. We believe Jesus is the son of God and was crucified. So we deserve to be fought for it. So that's in the Quran. It's in the Hadith, right? So when it comes to certain people going out and committing this jihad, going out and fighting on behalf of Allah,

they're not extremists. They're not. They're real Muslims. The extremists are the ones who are saying, no, it's kumbaya. It's skittles and rainbows and sour patches. You know, that's, those are the extremists. Whoa.

Those are the bad ones. They're just woke. They're just woke. Yeah. That's what I always talk, because I'm like, yeah, when, in America, when I see Muslims saying, oh, yeah, it's fine if you're a homosexual or it's fine if you're these things.

I'm like, bro. go to the Middle East and say these things that you support. They will literally beat you in the street. Go say that in the middle of the marketplace, man. Go ahead and say that Christians are going to heaven in the marketplace. Say that Jesus is the son of Allah in a correct sense. Go ahead and say that in the Middle East, in the middle of the marketplace,

and I'll just wait. And I'll wait for you to come back. I'll see if you come back. You won't make it back. No. No. Have you ever been in the Middle East? No, I haven't.

Do you want to go? Yeah, bro, bro, I want to go to the Kaaba, man. I want to go to the Mecca and I want to preach the gospel, but I won't make it back about you. Yeah, yeah. I can't even get in, though, if you never wanted to, man, but yeah. So if someone, if a Christian was visiting the Mecca and it was prayer time and they didn't go in there to pray, what would happen?

Well, they wouldn't make it in. And the first, you can't go to Mecca as a Christian. You have to be a Muslim to go to Mecca. So it's not necessarily a bad thing if you went to the, like you were there. I couldn't. I just couldn't get there. I'm an infidel. I'm a kaffer.

I'm a disbeliever. So I'm not allowed. Like my presence diminishes the holy land, basically. You know, I can't. It wouldn't let me in. So my last question before we switched to Mormonism. Yeah. Are there contradictions in the Quran?

A bunch of them. Want one? Can you point one out to me? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I got you. Hey.

You know me? You know what I'm saying? You know. Now one hand. Watch enough anime, man. You good with this. All right. So look,

this is a real easy one, okay? I'm going to give you two. Okay. Two contradictions and then, yeah, all right. So this is one,

one of my favorite ones, very clear. What I like to do is I like to show Muslims that we read in context. So we're not like cherry-picking verses, but we're reading in context,

right? So I'm a show, I'm going to show at least three verses that say the same thing. That there's a common theme that the Quran is saying. Okay. And then I'll show the opposite. So the first thing I'm going to show is chapter 6 verse 115. And in this verse, watch what it says here once we get the verses.

It says, where's the verse that? Here's verse 14. Okay. Oh, okay. There it is. All right. So it says, the word of your Lord has been perfected in truth and judgment. justice. None can change his words, and he is the all here, the all knowing. Here's verse 114. Sorry,

that was 115. Say, oh, prophet, should I seek a judge other than God while he is the one who has revealed to you the book with truth perfectly explained? So we just heard it. The book is perfectly explained, right? Okay, cool. All right. Okay. That's pretty nice. All right. Maybe that's just a one-off little thing. You know, let's see if it's, is that consistent? Let's see. chapter. Yep. So here's chapter 11 verse 1. It says,

this is a book whose verses are perfectly explained. Okay. That's two for two. Consistent. All right. Pretty consistent.

All right. Now let's go to chapter 12. We're going to read verse 111, the very last verse of the chapter. And it says, in their stories, I'm talking about the stories of the prophets. There is truly a lesson for people of reason.

This message, the Quran, cannot be a fabrication. but rather it is a confirmation of the previous scriptures and a detailed explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy for people of faith. So we got three verses that say that the Quran is perfectly explained. This one is very beautiful because it says it's a detailed explanation of everything.

Wow. That's a bold claim. It's a huge claim. That's why I'm glad the Bible never said that. Because the Bible is very ambiguous in a lot of places. Yeah. You know? but this gives you no room for the Quran to be missing details.

It just made claim over and over again. It's perfectly explained, detailed about everything. Okay. Now, let's be charitable. It's not saying it's going to be detailed about how to tie your shoe or work a microwave. I can talk about that. But everything the Quran mentions in this book should be perfectly detailed explained. Is that fair?

Yeah. All right, that's fair. All right. So now where's the problem there? Here's chapter three, verse seven. Watch this. So in chapter 3, verse 7, this is what it says here when we get the verse. He is the one who revealed to you, O prophet, the book, of which some verses are precise.

They're pretty clear, very specific. They are the foundation of the book, while others are elusive. Some are unspecific and ambiguous. But it doesn't stop there. Watch what. It says, those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses. seeking to spread doubt through their false interpretations, but none grasps their meaning except Allah.

As far as those with well-grounded knowledge, they just say, we believe all is from Allah. So this verse just said, there's some clear verses, there's some elusive verses, unclear verses, and only Allah knows the meaning of those unclear verses. So you can't have the Quran be perfectly acceptable. explained, a detailed explanation about everything, but at the same time have verses that are unexplained where only Allah knows the meaning. That's a contradiction.

All right? What the heck? Yeah. So pretty cool right there. Now, you can have fun with that one. Because it's like, oh, we found a contradiction. Pretty cool. You know, if you're watching, if you're out there, it's pretty great. We just found a contradiction. Found a contradiction in the crime, man. Pretty clear one. Now, you can have fun with this because let's say you don't bring up. the contradictory verse, right? Let's say you just go with the verses I showed you where it says it's perfectly explained, detailed about everything. I don't need this verse to show us a contradiction.

All I can do is just show where the Quran's ambiguous. So for example, when it talks about the fall of Adam and his wife, it doesn't mention who his wife is, who's his wife? When it mentions Abraham's wives, doesn't mention who are they? Sarah and Hagar doesn't name them. Or the sons. Which of the sons were the ones to be sacrificed? Who was the first born?

It doesn't say. It doesn't say which son. There's a lot. Or the crucifixion of Jesus. It was made to appear so that he was crucified. Okay, what happened, though? You don't know. Appear to who?

You don't know. What happened? You don't know. There's all of these details that are missing with the Quran. It's not explained at all. It's very ambiguous. Wow. Dude, that's insane.

It's so crazy because they, so what happens when you explain that to a Muslim? One of two things. Either they deny it or they acknowledge it and say, you know what, okay, I need to do some research on this. That's one of those two ways. Oh, good. I mean, basic response. Yeah, I just had a young Muslim kid joined a live show.

He's been showing up a bunch of times. And I love this dude. He's brave, you know? Yeah. He said, if you could show me any contradiction in the Quran logic, I'll become a Christian today. show me one contradiction. I said, you sure. He's like, yeah, I'm sure.

I'm like, you're positive. You hear what you're saying? He's like, yes. I'm like, all right, I got you. I showed him this, this contradiction. He's been coming back, like five streams in a row with different explanations from like his teachers and stuff like that. And we've been walking through it. And he's been out.

He's like, yeah, okay, yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah, it looks like it's a contradiction. I'm like, so you ready to become a Christian? He's like, no, wait, no, not yet. I got to see. You know, so, but that's a little fun, little, he's a fun little character on our, on our series. Bro, I love that, that you, I love what, before we move on to the Mormon, Mormonism, I just love how you are, like, actively discipling these dudes. Yeah.

Like, you're not one-off, like, hitting these guys hard and like, you're like, see ya. And I think that's the part of the great commission that we miss is it says, and teach them everything that you know. Yeah, yeah. And, bro, you are actively teaching these people everything that you know. I mean, the dude that turned his whole family to Christ, still popping up, consuming the content, you're digitally disciplining this guy. This kid, you're literally discipling him online. Yeah.

And that's actually brave. For him to be young, I mean, I know the younger I was, the more pride I had. You know, probably like 13, 16, 17. I was so prideful, bro. And the fact that he's standing up and being like even having the remote chance of looking humiliated in front of his culture. Yeah. It's a big deal.

Yeah. I'm shocked by it I'm gonna be real I'm shocked by him specifically because he's he's able to come back over and over and um

but he has he has more humility than a lot of the adults that we talk to wow he's able to I get a better conversation out of him than a lot of the dishonest adults that I talk to

he's able to follow the reason and the conclusion he's like okay yeah this for now it looks like a contradiction yeah you know he can at least admit it and so he's he's close I love that dude, man.

He's welcome. I don't care what my topic is. He can come anytime and I'll talk to them because he's, he's reachable. Come on. He's reachable. That's a lit. Yeah. Yeah.

Pray for him, man. Well, I want to switch to Mormonism. Yeah, to talk about the Mormon. I got my second book over here. You know what's so crazy is that they still have yet to come to my house. Do they know you? They are the only, they are the only, they are the only. people group religion that will not talk to me.

Dude. And it's crazy because I'm just being open and vulnerable here. I don't know as much as you do. And they still won't come talk to me. I don't know what it is. Yeah. I would be afraid to talk to you. If I was a Mormon, I would be afraid to talk to Preston Perry. Yeah, Preston is crazy. I mean, dude, he is whipping him up. I got to call Preston too because I need some insight. I need some insight. Yeah, Preston's crazy. He's crazy with it. He is crazy, just crazy evangelist. Yeah. I love it.

I know basic stuff, but I still want to ask the questions because I think it's valuable. I think it's important. And there's just a lot of people that follow us that are like, oh, yeah, we're Christian, but they're really Latter-day Saints. And I'm like, you guys aren't Christian. And then they get upset. And I'm not trying to be mean. I love them. Being real, yeah.

Trying to be the truth. Yeah. So, our boy, Joseph. Joseph Smith, come on Our boy Look man I'll tell you what I sometimes I have this question

Where I ask my audience Who do y'all think Is the biggest false prophet Out of Moses and Muhammad Which one gets it And it's a split out It's a split group Some say Mohammed

Some say Joseph Smith You know maybe I need to learn more about Joseph Smith Because I think it's Muhammad But some people say Joseph Smith man our guy Joe man big Joe out here getting the flag man so you know it's funny because uh I was live once right I was live and Mormons came to my house while I was live and I invited them on the live stream it's it's on my channel and so they sat behind me and we and we spoke oh yeah it was so fun that's lit so fun that is so lit I you know this yeah this this has got to be the most

interesting one to me really yeah I mean I feel like I feel like everything's pretty clear cut, but when you got a dude that's been arrested three times for falsifying treasures, and then he founcing treasures, and then he founs an entire religion off of discovering a treasure that only he can decipher. That's pretty, that's pretty crazy to me. See, dude, see, that's what I'm saying. I need to learn more about Joseph Smith then, because I didn't know that. Bro, he's been arrested like three or four times for falsefying treasures. They have one, they have like one, uh, the, uh, the, trial that that Mormons are typically like oh this one's not a big deal it's like okay well let's

exclude that one there's still two more that he's been arrested for for falsifying treasures and then he founds an entire religion off of uh off a finding a treasure that he can find in some gold tablets yeah bro i'm telling with with Mormons i usually i usually deal with the theology that they brought about being gods and yeah what is all that some Mormons i say hey do you believe that you're you're going to become a god one day and some of them say no But I'm almost positive the Mormon theology is that they believe that they're going to become God. Yeah, that is the theology. So if they're saying no, they're just unaware of what Joseph and Brigham Young and what these guys taught.

So where does that come from? That comes from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. These guys are, and some of the, a couple of the sermons, I don't, man, I wish Jeff Durbin was here right now. Oh, bro. You'll be able to just lay it out. So I don't want to misspeak. But in one of Joseph Smith's talks. and I think it's also

Brigham Young but they talk about how they're going to refute the idea that God, the father, has always been God but that he was once as we are and we will become as he is. So they had this idea,

that we're going to become gods one day and that the father himself was a man who became God one day. And then there's, you go, like this, it's this infinite regress where and his father became God, and his father, you know. So it's that it's, it's, it's so blasphemous. It's so heretical and it's terrible.

It's such a terrible theology. What about it? What about the Jehovah's Witness? Yeah. You, you know a lot about the Jehovah's Witness. Yes, yeah. So, like, I vividly remember being 10 years old and getting a knock on my door. And these people tell me about Jesus and giving me a pamphlet.

And I remember shut the door coming to sign and be like, mom, these two women, just gave me this pamphlet on Jesus. And my mom grabbed it, flipped it to the back, saw the JW, and threw it away. Good on her, man. That was a very wise thing. So, you know, can you kind of give me a rundown

of the Jehovah's Witness religion? Yeah, sure. So, you know, you got Charles Taze Russell, who, you know, basically started this little movement. But really, man, Jehovah's Witness, they broke out from a group with the Mormon. as well. Everybody was kind of part of this group until like these in time prophecies failed and then they broke off until their like own little groups. And then so Jehovah's

Witnesses is kind of like a byproduct of that. And then Charles Tays Russell is that. And then so they're obviously teaching this what is called the, the Aryan heresy. Like back when the council of Nicaa, you know, Arias was arguing that Jesus is a lesser God. He's not God in the same sense that the father. He's not of one substance. So that's what Jehovah's Witnesses teach. They teach that Jesus is a lesser God. They have a different Bible, basically. John 1-1, it doesn't say, in the beginning was the word, and the words with God, and the word was God. It says, in the beginning was the word, the word was the word, was a God. So they teach that Jesus is a God, and he's a lesser God than the Father Jehovah.

And what's up with them substituting God's name out with Jehovah everywhere in Scripture? What's up with that? Well, Jehovah is his name. Yeah, it's one of his names. But why? It's up. Why did they do that? Because so, for importance, and I could give them credit for this. I actually like that they do this, that they really revere the name, Jehovah. They revere God's personal name. God does say that this is my everlasting name that will always, this will always be my name. His name is Yahweh or Jehovah, however you want to pronounce it, right?

And so this is who he is. And so where, you know, the Jews and their scriptures, they didn't want to use the name in vain and translate it. So they translated it as Lord when really it's, it's Yahweh, it's Jehovah, right? And so that's why they're really big on that. But they put this, they make it this conspiracy like, see, Christianity's trying to hide the name of Jehovah. No, bro, it's just these different translations and the historical context behind it. You literally have Bibles. Like I use a Bible, it's an L-S-B Bible that has God's name all over the place.

It has Yahweh. It uses Yawah every time. Wow. You know, so, yes, but they're big of a deal. that big of a deal. No. The big, the big deal is, is when they manipulate the text to say that Jesus isn't Jehovah. So they'll put Jehovah where Jehovah isn't used because in that verse, it'll be being applied to Jesus. For example, there's a verse in 1st Corinthians, chapter 10, bro, this verse is underrated when it comes to the deity of Christ. It talks about how Jesus

was that rock who followed Israel in the wilderness who sustained them, the rock of Israel. Now obviously, in the Old Testament in Deuteronomy, it says that Jehovah, Yahweh is the rock of Israel. So they replaced that. They'll say, no, it's just the Lord is Jesus. They don't call him to Jehovah. They don't identify him as Jehovah.

But then it gets worse. When you continue to read, 1 Corinthians 10, and you get down and says, let us not put Christ to the test as some of them did in the wilderness and were destroyed by serpents that happened

in the wilderness in numbers when they tested God and griped against Moses and then God sent serpents to destroy them and it says that's Jehovah Jehovah is the one that they tested against so we have a clear verse that points to Jesus being Jehovah

and that's a verse that they will manipulate and change Whoa. So all the verses that point to the deity of Christ and him being Jehovah, him being Yahweh, they manipulate. Crazy. Don't they have a magazine too? Yeah. That they look at like, do they view it as like holy text?

They won't say that, but basically the Watchtower Society, they put out these pamphlets, these books. And these books are basically scripture to them. Because what the Watchtower says, that's what it is. how they what whatever they say what the Bible says it means that's what it says it means so you can't read the Bible and look at the Bible on your own and see a clear verse um and and come to a conclusion that goes against the watchtower says the opposite of what the verse says that's what it is if not or else you're a heretic dang that's crazy you know it's it's sad because i'm like i know i know Jehovah's Witness.

Yeah. I know some Mormons. I know a lot of different people. And they're nice people. Nice people don't get into heaven, though. Yeah, exactly. There'll be a lot of nice people in hell, man. Yeah, it's just sad.

Nice people don't go to heaven. Faithful people go to heaven. Talk about it. And I want to be faithful to Jesus. And that's, bro, that's like, so, Jehovah's Witness, they don't get a blood transfusion. Why? They think that it goes against the Bible.

man, I forget some of the verse. There's a verse they use an axe. Oh, there it is. About abstaining from food with blood in it. And so they say, see, you're not supposed to consume blood. And at blood transfusion, you're consuming blood. And so therefore, you're going against the Bible, which is so context, ladies and gentlemen,

has nothing to do with getting blood, you know, infused in you so that you can freaking live. That's nothing to do with that, bro. Nothing at all. Abstain from food with blood in it. You're not eating blood. That's not what's happening with a blood transfusion, bro.

What is this? So, man, God bless their souls, man. Hopefully they come to the truth to be guided, but that's the gist of it of why they go against that, bro. So right now,

when you're looking at just a macro view of what's going on, not only in America, but in the world, there seems to be this, like, massive uptick in Christianity right now. We're taking over It is

It really is A lot of young men Which is crazy A lot of young men are turning to the faith Yeah But a lot of people are rising up Into the faith Yeah

And it's crazy Because social media is playing a big part In this Huge part And Intrical part It was so crazy Because in 2023

When I had this dream That you know I shared with you About God give us a dream Starting the ministry And Doing the digital ministry I remember

explained it to Josh, she met him. He was the one that started with me. I was like, dude, it's crazy because you got a guy like Andrew Tate who will infiltrate people's feet, people that don't follow him, don't care about him. Everyone knows who he is. Everyone knows what he's about. And he's indoctrinating people by infiltrating their feed.

And I remember looking at Josh and going, dang, wouldn't it be crazy if that happened with the gospel? And like the gospel just infiltrated people's feed and it didn't matter who you are, what you believed, you just couldn't avoid it. And it feels like we're in that time right now where you just can't, You can't avoid the gospel right now.

Bro, being, you said it earlier in your prayer, that being biblically literate is cool. Yeah. That's the wave right now. Biblical literacy, knowing the Bible, knowing Jesus, being unapologetically Christian. Yeah. Is cool. That's the wave. Yeah.

It's everywhere. It's what's popping. It's what's taken over. Like, especially, I think it's a large part, because we're in a place where a lot of wokeism has risen. You know, trans ideas has risen. These confusion, confusion delusions have risen up.

And combating that is the gospel. That's what's combating it. And so that is like, people are like, yeah, this is reality. The gospel is hidden in reality. Not only is it hidden the reality,

but it's hidden home and my problem in my sin. It's the truth. People should know this. And the young people, are holding onto it, they're grabbing onto it, and it's the wave right now, man. My New York trip, London trip, doesn't matter. TikTok is filled with young people

who love the Word of God, man. And are unapologetic about it. Want to get out there and get in it and tell people about Jesus. It's crazy right now. It is crazy. I love it. And that's why we need more people like you,

being faithful and going out and spreading the word and being truthful. Come on, bro. So you've been a Speaker's Corner. Brough. That was like me walking into a candy store. Bro, you want to talk about like a verbal World War II. Mm-hmm.

Speaker's corner. Mm-hmm. I mean, serious question, that's a legendary spot. Yeah. From the videos I see on the Internet, it just seems like there's no fruit. It just seems like people are yelling at each other. Is that just the case? Or have you seen fruit out there?

No, no, there's definitely fruit. There's definitely fruit. Okay, because the only videos I see from afar, which I, you know, that's 2% of the 100% that's going on there. Yeah. But it's just like people yelling at each other, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

But what's some fruit you've seen out there? So, so number one, let me tell you, uh, when those videos were going on, Islam was running it, running Speakers Corner, right? Uh-huh. Those are all the videos I've seen. Yeah. And they're like Muslim apologists.

Yep. Yeah. Yep. And they're basically almost going unmatched until the Christian apologist started popping up, competent Christian apologists, not just your tourist that's in London, but real apologists, defenders of the faith, engaging with these guys and demolishing them. Now, and really, a lot of it sometimes, it may look like it's a yelling match, but it has risen a confidence and a fire in the Christians in London. And also, in somebody like me who before I started my channel I was like man I want to do that I want to go there and give the gospel with confidence because these guys need to be shut up so it rises up Christians a fire in us to defend the faith to know our scriptures and to contend against these these liars right and so the fruit is now a few years later

Speaker's Corner is taken over by Christians those same Muslim apologists avoid us at all costs and the Christian, when I went to London, the first time I went to London, it was Christian galore. Christ, gee, Christ is king. Christ is king. It's like a Christian game banging up there, man.

That's what it was like. It was that crazy. And the second time I went. And then now you're seeing this revival in London, in the UK, you're seeing this revival of Christians standing up against the Islamic regime. That's right. That rose up out there.

Wow. So it's been very fruitful, maybe not immediately, but in the overtime, you see how God has grown that and sparked the fire and now it's flaming. That's encouraging to hear because, you know, from afar, and that's with anything, that's with, you know, news, you know, anything on social media,

you get 2% of the 100% going on there. But those are all the videos I had seen were just Muslims dominating people. I didn't realize that they were just dominating tourists. Yes, they're darned. They do. one of them they didn't know who I was and that's how I'm able to get some good conversation sometimes

because I'm very unassuming man backwards cap chill you know come on going to think nothing much of it wise as a serpent but as innocent as a dog exactly so I'm walking around Spickers Corner man and one of their dog with guys he's like yeah you ever been to Speakers Corner before I said no it's my first time he's like you're a Christian yeah you want to have a conversation

yeah I have a conversation Oh man. But everybody else, they knew. They knew what was coming. But they didn't say anything. And so in this conversation, but he learned. He learned real quick that I wasn't one of those dudes. I wasn't one of those tourists.

He never spoke to me again. Bro, he was, you were probably the last guy he needed to talk to. The last guy. Yeah. That is. He avoided all the Christian, like apologies that was there that day. avoided all of us. Bob and everything.

He came to me because he didn't know who I was. He thought I was a tourist. And that's who they seek. They seek, bro. I literally walked up to a Muslim booth out there. They set up their booths. They heavy out there in London. I walked up to a booth and they literally told me, we want to talk to people who don't

know about Islam. Of course you do. You don't want to talk about, talk to people who know your religion and actually bring objections to your religion, criticisms to your religion. you don't want to talk to us. You want to talk to somebody gullible, somebody who you can trick and deceive, be guile. That's who you want to talk to because your father is the devil, man. Dang.

And by the way, for those that don't know what Speaker's Corner is, it is just a spot in the UK where is it only on the weekend, only on Saturday? So it's a park, but it's like there's a corner of the park where every Sunday people go and they have these interfape dialogues. debate, which is just, it's basically Muslims and Christians. Mostly Muslims and Christians, you'll get some atheists there. You'll get some, you know, some other mysticists there. You get all kinds of people there. Yeah. All right.

Last question for you. Sure. Give us some free game here. All right. Come on. What resources are you reading and what books are you reading to learn the facts that you're learning? Because I believe there's an abundance of information out there, but a lack of clarity.

where are you what resources are you using and things like that yeah so i like to study topically you know so and i like to master topics when i do that it it it just sits i i don't forget it yeah so um so what i what i've done and what i still continue to do uh answering islam dot org answering islam info whatever just answering islam period they have three different websites their articles have helped me so much because they deal with stuff topic at a time. But it's not in just answering Islam, it's defending the faith.

So you learn how to defend the deity of Christ. You learn how to defend the reliability of the gospel and the Bible and the New Testament and the Torah and stuff like that. You learn how to navigate conversations and discussions with them. So answering Islam,

every Christian should go and look at those articles and study those articles because they deal with everything you could think of pretty much. Everything you think of, all these objections you could think of. And when you learn these articles, you learn, study these articles, you'll be able to talk to it. A Jehovah's Witness and atheist.

It doesn't matter because that stuff is covered. Wow. It's covered. So that helped me. A couple books. Putting Jesus in his place deals with his deity, talking about his deity and the Trinity. Excellent book, man. Gives you these Old Testament references that it ended.

New Testament, like, like, 1st Corinthians 10, 9 that I brought to you. He gives, they give a lot of those type of connections. So you see where Jesus, like, where a lot of Christians will sleep on Jesus' claims, where, like, for example, where Jesus says that he's the Lord of the Sabbath, he will look over that. That is a crazy claim and a direct claim of divinity being the Lord of the Sabbath. Yeah. Right.

So, and he connects that with how that's claiming to be Yahweh, who is the owner, the Lord, the creator of the Sabbath. So stuff like that, putting Jesus in his place. And what's this? The other book is the, I think it's the pre-incarnate Christ. Or defending the deity. I forget the name of the book. I'll have to put in the description or something.

Anyway, but yeah. So answering Islam, excellent resource. Every Christian should have it. It'll love it. Right. Like you will love. Go to those articles. It deals with those topically.

You will love it. Man, I'm telling you it'll open. your brain, it'll open your polemics and apologetics, defending, and also going on the offensive. It'll gear you up, man. Well, I almost disrespected you by accident. I got one more question. Sure. And I really don't know.

What's the NGO? Hey. What is it, bro? Hey, look, man, I'm going to tell you what, we've been asking this question for years now. We still, to this day, to this day, we don't know what this is. man so you know we're trying to figure it out man maybe we can ask the muslims to come engage with us and tell us what this is for people that don't which by the way i'm gonna link all his stuff in the description because it's so valuable and so good and he's talking to everybody other

than Muslims he's talking to the atheists of Mormon the hebrew israelite like yeah our audience ate up our hebrew israelite video and i thought i just did average like i was like i did an average job you know i'm also white so they give me like a lot of talking time but your Israelite videos are phenomenal. Thank you, bro. So you guys got to go check them out. But for people listening, we're talking about Islam again.

What is the NGEL? Why do you keep bringing it up in these conversations? Excellent question, bro. I'm glad you asked this because this is super important for every question. Almost forgotten, dude. I can't have a consensual thing, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

So guys, so there's this, what we call the Islamic dilemma. Okay? It's where you go, you got two paths and regardless of which path you go, Islam is false. And here is how it goes. When you open the Quran, it talks about how it confirms the Torah and the gospel, okay, that the Bible is true. That's what it talks about our scriptures all the time. And matter of fact,

my favorite verse, chapter 10, verse 94, it says, talking to Muhammad, if you are in doubt about that which we have revealed to you, talking about the Quran, if you're in doubt about the Quran, then go and ask those who have been reading the scripture before. you. So literally the God of the Quran tells Muhammad, if you're doubting what I'm saying, go to the Bible. Go check the previous scriptures.

To clear up your doubts that you might have the Quran. So that's a verse that says that our Bible is the authority. It's the verifier of whether your Quran is telling the truth or not. You got to come to us, right? Yeah. So now they don't like that. They wish Allah never said that. So here's the dilemma. The fact is

is that they wish a lot never said that that's the funniest thing i've ever heard man they'd be like man why you have to say this man why you had to say nothing else so um so so you have this statements like this right another another one 568 chapter 5 verse 68 of the Quran say to the people of the book the jews and Christians you have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah and the gospel and all that's been revealed to you from your lord so according to the Quran we don't have a foundation unless we stand on the Bible, the Torah and the gospel and the Psalms, right? So this is how the Quran talks about our scriptures. Here's the problem.

So the Quran says our scriptures are true, while at the same time it contradicts our scriptures. Says Jesus isn't the son of God, wasn't crucified. God is not our heavenly father, right? Stuff like that. So it contradicts our scriptures in many ways. So the Quran is saying that the Bible is true while at the same time contradicting the Bible. So if the Bible is true, then the Quran is false for contradicting it. That's part one of the dilemma.

But you'll get your Muslim that say, oh, well, the Bible's corrupted. Okay, fine. If the Bible's corrupted, then the Quran is still false because it's saying that a corrupted book is true. Whichever way you go with it. If Bible good, then the Quran is false. If Bible bad, then the Quran still false. That's the Islamic dilemma. So what the Muslims will tell us, they'll say, we believe in the original Torah and gospel.

The word for gospel and the Arabic for them is engeal. Okay. We believe in the original Torah and the original engeal, the original gospel, right? What you have is not it. What you have is not the angel. It's not the gospel. So I'm like, okay. So if you know that what I have is not the gospel, that must mean that you know what it is then.

So what is it? What is the angel? It's not what you is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, okay, thank you. Thank you for telling me what it's not. Tell me what it is. What is it? It's the revelation given to Jesus. What was that? What did he say? What was in it? It was a revelation. We don't know. We don't have it anymore. Oh, okay. So you don't know what the angel is. So then you can't tell me what it's not. How do you know that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, what they wrote is not the angel. How do you know? You don't. Oh, because it's written in

Greek. It's not written in Arabic. By the way, the word in Jil is not an Arabic word. It's a Greek word. It's a Greek word. It's a Greek word. It's a Greek word. So it's a derivative of that. Yes. So the question is, why is Allah calling the revelation of Jesus by a Greek term? Why? You tell me, he didn't speak Greek then according to you. What did he speak? He spoke Aramaic. How do you know? How do you know Jesus spoke Aramaic? You got to come to the Bible for that. You got to come to this Greek in Jil, this Greek gospel. by Madhley, Mark, Luke, and John to tell you what language Jesus spoke. Everything that you know about Jesus comes from us. But at the same time, you're denying what we have. So tell me what the Angel is. That's gangster. Yeah, I love it. That is gangster.

You make me want to go live right now talking about it. Bro, that is so encouraging, man. Yeah. Man, if you could encourage everyone watching and listen out there with one thing, what would you encourage them with? You got the truth. You got the truth. be confident in in what you have because you have the truth there's always answers

humility comes first stay humble do not be afraid to say you know what i don't know let me look into that okay because god says in Isaiah chapter one he says come let us reason together god invites your questions he invites whatever doubts you might have come to him and seek him and he's going to answer you he did it for me he did it for bryce he did it for billions of others, we can do it for you. So never let go. That's encouraging. Yeah. Would you pray for us to close? Man, of course, man. Let's go, bro. Father God, we thank you. We thank you for this fellowship. We thank you for this connection. We thank you for bringing us all together. Lord, we pray for the listeners. We pray that you open their ears, you open their hearts so that they gain understanding,

that they gain wisdom for the ones who do not yet believe, but maybe have a doubt, Lord, God. Maybe they want to believe. Lord, help their unbelief. Help their unbelief. Help. them to open up their hearts to you, open up their ears to hear your voice so that they can recognize that they are your sheep and so that they can follow you with confidence, with perseverance, with long suffering, Lord God. And we pray this in the mighty name of Jesus that you touch every listener in their hearts, in their minds, in their walk, and let our words carry with power, Lord, carry with truth and carry with love that they see you in our words, that they see you in our actions and

that we exemplify Christ. you are the risen Lord Jesus, you are our king, our Messiah, our God, our Savior, and there's none like you, and let your truth be known to everyone who does not believe in the gospel. In Jesus' name, we pray this. Amen. Guys, thank you so much for watching and listening to this episode. If you guys like it, subscribe to us on YouTube, follow us on Spotify, Instagram, and TikTok. Bless you guys and see you guys next week for the next episode.