The Bryce Crawford Podcast - OnlyFans Manager Turns To Christ! (EP 184)

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

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back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryson. Today, we're obviously in a different area. We're in Melbourne, Australia. And I have a very special guest here. I'm here with Victoria. How are you doing? Well, thank you. Good. Thanks for coming on. I'm excited to have you on because you have a powerful testimony and not only from what God's done in your life, but I think you can shed a lot of on the adult film industry, only fans, exploitation, all that. I have so many things I want to bounce off of your brain. But can you kind of just like give a little bit of a background of like who you are so people can know? Yeah, definitely.

So as you said, my name is Victoria Sinus, 27, born and raised in Melbourne. A little fun fact for people. Even more of a fun fact, I'm technically not Australian. So my dad was born in Greece and my mom was born in Manchester. So yeah. So I love it. I was saying to you before, I'm nerding out that you guys are here because Melbourne's just the best. But yeah, my background is I actually used to help run one of the biggest only fans agencies in Australia. And so working in that agency is where I basically saw the reality of this glamorized industry. I saw exactly what was going on. And through that, I had a very

radical encounter with Jesus that changed my life in five days. And that was two years ago now. Wow. How long were you working? in that agency for? So I was in the agency. It was a startup. So it was actually one of my like best friends that started it from the beginning. So about eight months unofficially as we were building it. Anyone who's been in startup world knows that um you have no money. So you're building it. And then officially on the books, I lasted about four weeks because I saw what was happening and I had to leave. Dang. So you really didn't work that long on it. Okay. Now beforehand, did you have like any experience in that kind of, I don't know, the scene. Like, I kind of rope that only fan scene kind of into the porn

scene, the, the, even the club scene even. Like, is that, were you ever in that scene at all prior? Is that how you got into that? Or your friend was just like, hey, I want to try to make some money? Yeah. Well, how I got into it is my background's in business. Okay. So I've always been in startups and marketing and sales and all of that. And what happened is I was helping one of my other friends in their hospitality businesses. And, you know, and, you know, and, you know, and, you know, And we were working like stupid hours, like 100 hour work weeks for like, yeah, like months on end. Yeah, I was in hustle culture. Like I thought I was so elite for like working these hours and everyone was a loser.

Because I couldn't keep up with me. Like that was my life. And so what happened is I got to a point where I'm like, I'm exhausted. Like I can't do this anymore. I need a holiday. And so I went overseas. I went to Europe for a month. And when I was in Europe, I had another friend to say that they wanted to start this thing

called an agency. And why they wanted to start the agency is at the time, some of their really close friends were some of our biggest creators here in Australia. Some of them were Dan Bolzarians, girls. I know that you just spoke with him. Yeah, so very big here and in the US. And they were complaining about their agency. And so my friend, her educational background was she was an ex-criminal defense lawyer,

so very smart person. And they were like, well, I have an exceptional background. We have girls that are in the industry. Why don't we get Vic involved? because she actually knows about business. And we're going to have this like girl power, like amazing agency. So that's when I came back. They approached me, asked if I wanted to build this.

And I was like, I can't do hospitality anymore. Like, I'm done. So my lens was like, this just seems like a great opportunity. I'd heard of OnlyFans, but like I didn't really know what it was. And I thought it was just like where you can sell feet and like make a bunch of money. Yeah. And so that was kind of how I got into all of this. Whoa.

Wow. That's so interesting. Yeah. I think like, well, I got a couple of different thoughts running in my brain right now, but you said you only lasted four weeks in this. Now, before you kind of go down this rabbit hole, just for people that don't know,

can you explain what an only fan's agency is so that people understand? Yeah, totally. And I think it is good to say the context. So for the first eight months, I was doing all the marketing and I'll explain what that is. It was account management. That's when I jumped on the back end. And that's when I really saw what we were doing.

And that's when I was like, this is not what I thought it was. So for anyone that maybe even doesn't understand what OnlyFans is. I think it's appropriate to set the context. OnlyFans is a new iteration of pornography that we have in our generation. But we've never had kind of this phenomenon where it's idolized and encouraged. And so now people are like an OnlyFans content creator.

It's like, what does that even mean? Well, it means you're a porn star. And I think that's really important for people to understand what we're talking about. And so what comes from that is if we put like our business brains on, And if on only fans, the main a law is instant messaging, right? Yeah. And so if you're this only fans girl and you have hundreds of thousands of followers on your Instagram and you'll be like, hey, guys, come talk to me on only fans in the DMs.

Well, you can't logistically be replying to hundreds of thousands of people potentially, right? Yeah. So that's where agencies come in. So the main role of an agency is to pretend to be the girl on their behalf to make money, is to market the girl to be able to bring in subscribers and then to recruit girls to come onto the agency as well and they take a percentage of it. Wow. Now, so when you guys had creators come on, like at the time,

because I'm thinking about stuff that we've encountered in L.A., was it made clear to the people that at the time when you were working for them that you guys were bringing on, like, hey, it's going to be only fans. Like, it's kind of like, you know, it's going to be a little seductive and more porn stuff. Or was it just like, hey, we're going to sell exclusive content and then the rabbit hole slowly started to unfold. What was that like? Yeah, so what I think is really interesting,

I call it manufactured consent because it's like, is it really consent if you don't know the full picture? So when we were doing the onboarding process of you have a brand new girl, we have this thing called a questionnaire, and you do the questionnaire because you're trying to get as much information as possible.

And so in that, we have this thing called levels. This is at the specific agency I was at. And so it's what level of content are you comfortable doing? So level one at the time was Instagram content, Keeney and lingerie. Yeah.

Level two was implied nudity. Level three, full nudity. Level four, I'm sorry for the language, but was everything, but... And then level five was everything. Wow. And so what that does psychologically to a girl is if you tick level one, oh, does that mean to make money after you get to level five? Does that mean that am I starting at the bottom and this is the latter, right?

And then even as time went on, we had realized it, I was the one that came up with this idea. I was like, let's get rid of level one. because it doesn't make us money. All the girls that do Instagram content, they're making the least. So then now already, you might have that lens

being a newly recruited girl. I'm just comfortable with like cute pics or whatever, right? But then now, level one is implied nudity. And then you're still seeing this kind of process of escalation. And the culture behind the scenes is, oh, she's complaining that she makes no money. Well, check her level.

What does she expect? She's only a level two. So then you kind of encourage, well why don't you collaborate with this person? Why don't you do this? So you're not hard manipulating them, being like you have to do level five. You're softly doing it.

Yeah. Babe, but go, she's really doing well on her only fans. Let's get a content day going. Let's get you with her. And then before you know it, you're at level five and you didn't even realize that you were.

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. And at least in America, like what we've seen, because when I moved to L.A., we started a Bible study. And at the Bible study,

we had like a lot of people. It was basically we started this Bible study, meet a few friends. And it was for people that were in the social media space, whatever it may be, like where they were creators, musicians, actors, whatever, and no phones. And it was just, we preach. And then Florida questions. And a lot of people that started coming in the beginning weren't Christian. It was very awesome, safe space. We had a lot of people that were coming that were in the only fan space. Or we had like social media creators that were coming, who were popular creators that just were searching.

for hope. And then as it started going by, we had people that were coming, getting encountered by Jesus that would leave it and start following Jesus. But then we saw the contrary of people that were on this borderline of going, my career is failing. I'm losing money. Because what was happening was people would make a lot of money like in like 2018, 2019 on social media. And so because their money increased, their lifestyle had to increase. But then when I moved to L.A., it was like everything was plateauing so people were like well my money's decreasing but i can't decrease my lifestyle because that's going to look bad i need to keep increasing my lifestyle so that means i need to make more money so only fans was a big thing there's a big agency um out there that in la called creators ink

yeah that like it's a lot of creators nala was at oh she yeah she was at creators ink and um and so like yeah so that was kind of like what was going on but what was interesting was that there were some girls that would come and they would say yeah like it just started out like that it started out as like oh i'm going to post a bikini picture or whatever and then before they knew it they were being pimped out on escorted dates with men and um and had experienced deep trauma and so and it's and they were just like i don't know how i got here and it's so interesting but then on the contrary we see so many people that turned to it for the sake of money which is so sad.

So I think it's very interesting that you brought that up. And you only did it for four weeks. The account management stuff. So marketing was eight months. So the difference in that is if you, again, like business brains. So there's no internal promotional system on OnlyFans, right? You don't have a four you page or anything. So how do you get subscribers?

We have to promote it externally. So that was my role. My role was to build the marketing division. So to make girls go as viral as possible, as quickly as possible to put men into funneling systems to lead them to a porn platform. So that's what I was doing. So that's why I've been able to see firsthand the magnitude of this.

Like we were getting literally on like fresh TikTok accounts and girls to like 2.2 million views in seven days on videos. Like insane like reach. And so that's where I started to see that this is so much bigger. It's a culture that's being inaugurated and inundated with this. I saw what it's doing to men. like all of that of like whoa if this is just one agency in australia that's getting girls millions of views on one account and we were getting girls to make anywhere from three to five

ticot accounts and post 20 videos per day so like a massive amount of content just on ticot then you've got instagram you've read it twitter snapchat dating apps like all of this i'm like oh my gosh we're doing thousands of like pieces of content imagine globally what is happening So that's what I got to see firsthand. But then account management was when I actually went on to the back end and started reading all the conversations. I had to manage the accounts, talk to the chatters, and be the middleman between the chatters and the girls and the subscribers. Whoa. And what put you in that position if you're, because they approached you and they were like, oh, you're good at marketing, you're a great business person.

So why did they transition you from what you were skilled at to becoming the account manager? Where does that go? So again, the whole point of an agency is to impersonate being the girl, right? Yeah. So if I'm over here as the account, I'm sorry, as the marketing, doing all the marketing and the OnlyFans account managers over here, but you're a subscriber and you're talking to the girl on Instagram and then you're talking to her on OnlyFans as management, if we're not communicating, people started to see holes in our story and they started to ask questions.

So that's when we're like, oh, we have to change the internal structure of the business, split the girls in half. So you do less, but now you do the full life cycle. So that's how I got into account management. Whoa. Yeah. Wow. And how much money were some of these girls making every month?

Yeah. It's an interesting one. Here's the thing that I, like, I have a thing about this question. And it's because I think that people can get blinded by the fact that, statistically speaking, it's an average wage of $180 a month. So realistically, no one's making a lot of money. And I just recently saw that in the end of 2025, there's four million content creators on OnlyFans.

and only 300 make more than a million a year. Whoa. So it's a very small amount of people that are making a lot of money. And so that's what I'm like, I think needs to be emphasized more than the small amount of people that made a lot of money. Interesting. Yeah.

And when you said that the girls, they got a wage, is that correct? So there was like a flat rate that the girls were getting paid for all this other stuff. Because to my knowledge, what I understand about like only fans, for example, like the messaging thing,

don't you have to pay to send messages like on top of the subscription like so it's just like a rabbit hole of making more money it's like a funnel yes like yes and no again think about it like yes so you can have a paid account and a free account if you have a paid account then it's like pay $12 to subscribe to my only fans and maybe we'll put free content up but then in the messaging you have this thing called a pay per view so you're sending out multiple pay per views of pornographic content or it's custom requests. So that's where most of the money is made. And so what like you have to think of as well is there's two ways you go about making money in there.

So you either have a high volume of people coming in and you're pumping through the same content to make a lot of money. But think about how much, like how many people you're going to have to have. And on OnlyFans, you're not charging realistically thousands and thousands of dollars for content. Or you have a small group of really loyal subscribers and you're not. nurturing relationships. You're giving, like, we would train our chat as in the girlfriend experience. How do you trick these guys into believing that they're in a relationship? And then through custom requests, that's where you get the big money.

Whoa. Yeah. And what was like the age and gender demographic largely of most of the people that were subscribed? Well, that's what I think is the most cooked thing is you don't know. Because they're anonymous. So you don't know who you're talking with because they have a fake profile. They have a different name.

They don't show you pictures. So you have no idea who these subscribers are. Interesting. From what I've learned from like just statistics, supposedly the like average is like 20, I think it's like 18 to 35 year old white men that are married. I saw a study that 80% of subscribers on OnlyFans are married men. Which is insane.

That is awful. Yeah. And I love that how you hinted on at the beginning that OnlyFans is encouraged pornography, encourage sexual exploitation because it is and it's sickening. Sex cell. nowadays and it's everywhere. Tick-Tock, Instagram, Snapchat. It's like the only thing that works for clickbait on Snapchat or the only videos that go viral or this and that. It's all sexual stuff.

And you could call it soft porn or whatever you want to call it. No matter what it is, it's sex and it sells and only fans is baking it in. It's really sad and unfortunate. What's the mental toll that takes on not just, not just you obviously, but these girls. that are involved in it. Yeah, I like to put it this way. I think that people think that like the traditional sexual exploitation industry is here and OnlyFans is here, but they're actually the exact same thing. So it was quite interesting.

I was on a call with the girl in the States who works in activism about a month ago. And she was speaking with an FBI agent who's helping a lot of women out of Onlyfans. And he said that he sees women who have been exploited digitally, only fans and all these things, are actually more vulnerable than the physical exploitation women. And it's because when you're physically exploited, there's people in the room, right, to exploit you. So what you want is solitude.

And there's a bit of peace in that, right? Well, imagine being in a room and no one's in there and you're getting exploited. How much does that cook you? Yeah. And so what I started to see and what I have seen, the mental health of my friends when I was in the agency, horrific. Like, just to put it bluntly, it was so sad.

They thought this is all they're good for. They can't do anything else. Verbatim would tell me that. drugs, alcohol, all the things you can think of. A lot of them had, you know, come from poorer homes, been sexually abused, all the same type of things that you see. Yeah. And then my friends that have come out of OnlyFans.

So same things of the paranoia, of the shame of struggling to get a job, of deep trauma. Again, I'm hoping that I'm like painting the picture for people. It's actually the exact same thing. But for some reason, we just don't legitimize it for people. Wow. Yeah. And so tell me about your transition.

out of you did the eight-month marketing, the four weeks of account management, and then you were like, I can't do this. You have this encounter with Jesus. Tell me a little bit about that. Yeah. So, oh my gosh, favorite story ever. So what happened for me is, again, working this job, and my lens was, this is elite. Like, we're hanging out with the rich and the famous. We're throwing, like, legitimate parties, multi-million dollar mansions, like all the things, the cars, the yachts, the dinners, like, all of that, right? Yeah. So what kind of comes with that is the lifestyle of drugs and alcohol. Now, just for the context of this, I got introduced to cocaine at 13, and so I was 25 at this

point. Yeah. So drugs out of control, drinking's out of control, but this is the life, right? And what ended up happening when I jumped on to the back end of Onlyfans is I went, oh my gosh, wait a minute, this is what we're doing. And I'm starting to see all of this porn. And it's girls that I've now made friendships with, right, for these past couple months. And I'm like, this isn't what I thought it was. And it just started to devastate me. I'm like, that girl's really smart. That girl's really funny.

That girl has excellent family values. That girl's hilarious. Like I still think of these girls every single time I say this. Like, this one girl, if you're in the room with her for two seconds, you'd be in tears of Laster. Like, hilarious. And I'd go, and this is what we're telling them to do. These are the dreams that we're telling them to dream.

And so I had that. And then I've also personally never been a consumer of porn. So imagine I'm seeing porn for the first time. Yeah. And it's my friends. And I'm just malfunctioning. I'm crying every day. I can't do this job.

But I'm weirdly being like gaslit because the whole world is telling me that this is the pinnacle of success. This is like the most elite thing you can do, right? And so I just went on this journey. I was like, okay, drugs aren't working anymore. I'm staying awake for days on end. Nothing's numbing me out. I don't feel good. What can I do to feel better?

Yeah. And that's when I was like, oh, I know. I had this genius idea. I was like, I'll do a big enough act of good, and that'll offset all the bad. And so I'm like, what's a big enough act of good? And I'm like, I'll go overseas and help refugees. Like, that's dramatic enough. And I was like, how the heck do I help refugees?

And I had this random memory that, as I said, I was 25 at the time. And I hadn't been to church since I was like eight. Very limited experience at church. I don't really remember much from it. But I had this memory that that church I went to as a kid had this like refugee program. So I was like sick. I'll Google the church. I'll sign up for the refugee program. So that's what I do. And I get a call a week later from this young adults pastor. And this story gets more crazy the longer I'm a Christian because I find out more. So what ended up happening

is that outreach application never went to the outreach department. But instead, the young adults pastor got an email and I got to see it months later. And it said, Victoria wants to reach out to the church. Here's her number call her. So that's why she was calling me. Whoa. Isn't that cool? That's so cool. Yeah.

And then I was volunteering a couple months ago at a coffee shop. And I'm sharing my testimony with one of the people there. And they're like, oh, what church? Because they're from Melbourne. And they said, Vic, do you know that I was emailing that church for a year and I never got a response? The fact that you got one within seven days is insane. Whoa.

And I went, wait, are you serious? Like, are you lying to me? And she goes, no. Like, I had been trying to get in touch with that church for a year and never got a response. Wow. So I was like, whoa. Like, it just gets cooler and cooler.

Yeah. And so, yeah, this young adult's pastor calls me and goes, hey, I heard you want to come down to church. Can I invite you to come down this Thursday? So I thought it was like the vetting process of what like Christians did. Like I had no idea what it was. And so dude, I remember rocking up to this church on a Thursday. And I still remember like sitting in the car and being like, I can't go in there. Like I'm such a bad person.

Like I'll burst into flames if I walk in there. And I remember just like sitting there like wrestling with myself. for, but I just had this like inner thing. I believe that it's God now, but I didn't know that at the time. And it was just like, there's someone in there and they're waiting for you. Just go in. So I went in and I just word vomited for hours to this young adult's pastor. And like, I think you can get my personality enough by now.

Like, so imagine this, but more unhinged of like, I sell porn. Everyone tells me it's good, but it's kind of bad. Like, I don't know what to do. It's the first time you've ever said anything probably. It's like a vulnerable, like I feel bad for what I'm doing kind of thing. I can't even imagine. That probably felt so. good to like let that off your chest in that moment?

It didn't, it didn't. It was, this is where I'm so grateful that this has been my, my first experience in the church. This woman didn't do what I thought Christians would do. She didn't judge me. She didn't condemn me. I didn't even remember her giving me like a Jesus feel. Like, she just goes. I really would love to invite you to come to church this weekend.

We have a guest speaker who's speaking. And I think you'll really resonate with them. So I was like, okay, sure. So I rock up to church on the Sunday. day I dragged my parents along and the guest speaker in church is talking about only fans. Whoa. Yeah. It was sick.

So this lady literally has been in activism for like 40 years. She travels all around Australia going into schools. So she sees firsthand what this over-sexualized culture is doing to our young people. So she's talking about only fans and the dangers and the reality and all of this. And you can imagine I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my gosh, like this is crazy. Like for me, it felt like I know that I'm not insane. Like what we are doing is wrong. This is bad.

And there was one very specific moment where she goes, Christians are supposed to be the salts and the light of the earth. And they have failed and we are destroying the next generation. And that's when something in my heart just clicked. And I was like, oh my gosh, it just felt again like, like, yes. Like I'm not insane. So she finished speaking. I'm like in the balcony like at the back.

But I literally run down to her. and I go up to her and I say hi my name's Victoria I work for an only fan's agency and I hate myself and like again didn't do what I thought Christians would do like you're going to burn in hell or anything she just goes would you like to have lunch with me and this beautiful woman sat with me for hours and just answered all my questions ethical porn positive liberating girl power like all the things right and I really appreciated that like there was never once I never felt like a pet project to convert. I was just a human. You know what I mean? And I say this to people to say, like, I never did like a salvation prayer that day. No one, I don't even remember anyone preaching Jesus to

me, but I left that day and I have the very crystal clear thought in my mind that I went, I don't know what this Jesus thing is, but I have to follow it with all my heart. So in five days, I quit the agency. I walked away from a 13 year friendship, another business I was building. I walked away from everything. Eight weeks later, I'm sober, I'm baptized. And then eight months later, is when I was in America on my first tour. And that's what I've been doing ever since for the past two years. Praise God. That's incredible.

Yeah. So cool. And now, did you, when you left that agency, five days later, you said eight weeks after that, you were sober,

baptized, and then after that, how long until you went on that first tour? Eight months. Eight months. So did you experience any guilt and shame for that four weeks? did the account management, maybe even prior the marketing for the only events, did you experience any guilt and shame? And if so, how did you deal with that?

Yeah, I think the beautiful thing of what the Lord did for me during that time was like, of course, like, I think any human would. I had so much guilt and shame while doing it. I think for me, leaving the agency, that internal wrestle of like, this doesn't feel good. I don't think this is good, but the world's telling me it is. that level of feeling insane went and I felt so much like relief of like oh my gosh like I'm not the problem in a sense to be honest with you and over that period of time like God just did things that I didn't understand until I read the Bible were things so during that period of time kind of all my friends went to Europe and I was like in solitude I guess you could say I had no

friends I had nothing no one yeah and I remember I would get like these weird things and I'd go I think I have to go away and like not eat for a day. And now I know that's fasting, but I didn't know that at the time. And so I remember I booked to go down to this place called Apollo Bay. And I didn't eat for 24 hours. And I was like, Jesus is going to give me my destiny.

He's going to tell me everything, right? And I'm going to have a plan and I'm going to do it. And this was just an unction that you felt like a leading of the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Like I have so many, like the whole story of that and then how America happened is like the craziest thing. And you didn't even know, fasting was prior to that. I've never even read the Bible. Wow. Yeah. That is so fascinating to me.

It was so cool. It was just like this thing that I knew that I knew that I had to do. And so went away at this little hotel by the beach in Apollo Bay for those who know it. And I remember sitting there being like, okay, cool. Tell me my destiny. I didn't get anything. And so I was like, okay, what do I do? And it just felt again this thing to write down every single traumatic thing that has ever happened. in my life. And I've had a crazy life. Like that scar, I survived a murder attempt. I've had a wild life. What? Yeah. Like before Jesus, my life has been insanity. And I just felt like I'm supposed to write down all the bad things that have ever happened to me. So I write them down, but down to the thought level, even friends that I was jealous of, like the most horrible essence of who I am, I just felt to write it all

down. So I still have that journal, pages of it. And then I went, okay, what now? And then I'm sitting there. I brought like five Bibles. I didn't know what to do. I had no idea. But then again, I just had this feeling. And I've heard of this movie, but I've never seen it. I'd no idea what it was.

And it was go watch the Passion of the Christ. And I didn't even have a streaming search. Like I didn't, so I just downloaded a streaming service on my phone. And I start watching this movie. And that's the first time Jesus really revealed himself to me. And I'm on my hands and knees. I'm pausing it.

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Jesus, that this happened to you. like heart ripped out. And then I woke up the next morning. And I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I think I need to get baptized. And I didn't know what baptism was until about maybe six months after I got baptized. I don't recommend that, but I had no concept of what it was. And then that morning I went into my church's website and they had baptisms.

And so I booked in to get baptized. So it was just these little things as I went on that I just knew that I knew that I had to do them. And then as I read the Bible, I got the context for what those things were. Wow. Yeah. Well, we're going to come back to the fact that you just skipped over that you survived the whole murder intent. We're totally going to come back to that in a little bit because that is absolutely wild to me. I don't think.

That's one of my favorite Jesus stories. I don't think we can skip over that. So we'll talk about that at a second. You know, something that you mentioned earlier that I think is so interesting. On the account management side of Onlyfans, you were talking about how. the goal was to build a parasycial relationship with the people that were paying for the only fan subscribers, which I think is so interesting because I can't imagine. I mean, right now, that's what social media kind of does with people, right? You have people who get famous on social media and

you build a parissocial relationship with them so that when you encounter them in person, you think you're like best friends of them, but they really don't know who you are. And then it's like kind of awkward. I can't imagine pairing that psychology with sexual sin. I can't, I can't imagine that. That's got to be absolutely unreal because porn in itself, I got exploited pornography in the fifth grade and I was addicted pornography until the day I got saved. Have not watched porn since

that day. Praise Jesus. Set me free from that. You never forget how you're introduced to a drug. It's a straight drug. It really is. And I can't imagine combining pornography with the psychology of parisocial relationship. I mean, that's got

to be extremely damaging to, yeah, I just can't even imagine it. That's awful. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I have so much to say about that. I literally, two things I'll say. The first one, I still have the same phone from when I worked at the agency.

And I was looking through messages the other week with our chatters. And one of the chat is literally right, I had to gaslight a fan into buying stuff because my sales were low for the day. Yeah. What? Like, I can show you the message when we're done. Whoa. And this is why I have such a hard.

for men in this. One of my friends is an org in Texas called Demand Disruption that I do work with. And he put it so beautifully. He goes, men aren't necessarily the consumers in a sense. They're the ones being consumed by a multi-billion dollar porn industry. And so this, don't hear what I'm not saying. It does not negate accountability at all. But there is a multi-billion dollar industry that literally is so sophisticated in targeting

men. So what we would do to be able to law men and I don't know if you can relate to this, but a lot of men, when I have these conversations, I'm like, do you feel like you were just kind of scrolling in them before you knew it? You were just on a porn platform and you have no idea how you got there. And they're like, yeah. And a lot of men will be like, I don't know what happened. And then before you knew it, I was watching this and I was doing this. I was like, that's intentional. That's not a mistake. So we had hired a guy who would study algorithms. And every single day, he would send us these very specific curated videos, highly provocative,

very suggestive, with trending sounds, trending skits, trending hashtags, everything you can imagine. And that's what we're sending to the girls to do, you know,

up to 20 unique videos of every day. And an example I give of this is, imagine if one of the ones that was trending at the time was like a big, massive mirror. And like, you know the little compact mirrors

that like women, yeah. So imagine you've got this huge mirror, but then you've got all these little compact ones and you have this super sexualized song playing in the background. And it's just scanning all these little mirrors, right? And then the little caption says, did you see it?

Did I see it? Did I see what? What am I supposed to see? And so you keep watching it and watching it and watching it. And then before you know it, there's a girl in lingerie in one of the tiny little mirrors. And then you're hooked. And then you're on the TikTok account. Then you're on the Instagram.

Then you're in the link in bio. Then before you know it, you're at the only fans. Then what happens, this parisocial thing, right? Now you're so revved up. You're so charged. You have these chatters that are trained in the girlfriend experience, not in the sexual experience. So what does that do? It makes a man feel seen, loved.

You pair that with the shame, right? Because a lot of men, after they watch porn, like, you feel shame. You're like, ew, did I just do that? Like, that's so gross. So where am I going to keep going back to the place where I don't feel judged? So with the chatters that are, that are acting like the girlfriend, not the sexual, because I thought that was very interesting. You said that they want to feel comforted after the shame.

Would the chatters comfort the people after? There's no rules, Bryce. think about it. These aren't, like, this is products. These aren't people. And so these men, and a lot of the way that women look at this in the agency is like, well, you're using me, I'm using you. It's a power game, right? And so we imagine you have these men, hey, honey, how are you? How is your day? Oh, are you at work right now? Tell me how it is. Oh, you must be so stressed. Is there anything I can do to help? How can I make you feel better? Or like, we would have guys be like, can you just like give me like a love scenario? And we'll be like, okay, we're

lying in a field, holding hands, we're looking at the stars and I look over. And it doesn't even get sexual. It's just intimacy. And these men are craving, this is a bigger cultural conversation, I think, that really needs to be addressed. But these men are getting lured in to this, like, comfort and this safety and this woman cares about me. She knows me. Like, I saw an really interesting video. Our version of Spring Break is called Schoolies. And it was a bunch of like 17, 18 year old boys. And they just seen Lily Phillips, if you're familiar with you.

Yeah. And they're like, oh, man, we just saw Lily Phillips, blah, blah, blah. And the guy goes, do you think she actually cares about you? Do you think she knows who you are? Oh, yeah, she knows who I am. Look, she kissed me on the cheek. Don't worry. She knows who I am.

And I'm like, bro, she has no idea who you are. She doesn't care about you. And I think that that's the lie, right? that we're trying to lead men into is they know you, they see you, they care for you, they love you, and that's what keeps them coming back for this weird intimate relationship. Now what about like those scenarios? Like we're thinking about like the people who are leading the porn industry, the only fans industry, the ones that are outspoken to me, like, oh, I love it. I love this, this, and that like I've seen comments that quite a few people have made, whether they're in

the only fan scene or the porn, it's all the same really. But they're, you know, talk about how much they love it. Have they just convinced themselves that they loved it? Or do you think they're just saying that to hide a, hide a mask instead of too deep in it? I mean, what do you think that is? Yeah, I think, you how, like, how could you, it doesn't make sense. Imagine like, yeah, guys, like, I really don't like doing this. It actually makes me feel really trash. It gives me a lot of anxiety. I'm super paranoid when I go out. Like, I don't know who's seen my porn. But come talk to me on OnlyFans. No one's going to do that. And so, of course, you'll going to present this lifestyle. And imagine for the girls as well that you're like,

okay, I'm going to do this, make a bunch of money. Maybe you don't. So you're going to have to go even harder because you're like, oh my gosh, I just put my porn on the internet. Like, what are my other options now? I'm not going to be able to get a normal job. So I better go hard at doing this because I'm screwed because what else am I going to do. So when you really humanize it and actually think about it, it makes so much sense as to why they're going to promote this. And a lot of people do that, don't they? When they, when they're really in shame, when they're really embarrassed about something, it's really hard to admit that and say, you know what, I am embarrassed. You try and compensate for it. I think that's what we're seeing.

Wow. Yeah, it's really bad. Yeah, it just breaks my heart. I agree with you right nail on the head. Like, OnlyFant has become promoted. It's cool to do OnlyFans. I remember when I moved to L.A. back in 2022, I thought OnlyFans was more of like an L.A. thing. But then now I feel like it's more normalized in every state. And I know people, you know, that live in Georgia that do it, where I'm from, originally from Georgia. And it's just like more widespread, which is so unfortunate. What is going to, how do we kill this beast?

How do we kill this beast of pornography and sexual exploitation and things like that? Yeah, I think for me, the language I like to use is we don't need a culture shift. We need to build a new one. And I don't think that in the current culture we live in, that there's other options that are championed. We're seeing it a little bit in the States with, you know, Christian influences coming out in a different way of living and stuff like that. But I think that we need to make it not cool because that's what it is. It's cool right now, isn't it? It's elite.

It's bougie. It's all the different things. It's how men view desirable women, like all the stuff. And so I think that the first and most important thing, to be honest, is conversations like this. Hey, this is the reality of it. The average wage is $180 a month. It's full on pornography. You're probably going to have an agency.

They can take up to 50% or I have other stories of, you know, horror stories there. Hey, guys, you can jump on OnlyFans, but you're probably talking to a chatter who is trained in how to manipulate you to make money off you. That's it. They don't care about you. They just want your money. So now you have a well-informed decision to make of, well, am I going to take the risk and think that maybe it's the only fan's girl or am I going to risk it jumping on to

hopefully make money and then from there it loses its appeal but then you need another option well how do we champion people to dream big dreams how do we champion women to know hey this culture says that to be hot is to be sexualized to wear little outfits to all the different things but come have a look at what we're doing we don't dress that way we don't do those things but we feel great in ourselves we have wonderful relationships we're healthy so I think it's a bigger thing than just going for sake of argument shut only fans down shut no it's actually a culture issue that we have and that's what i think really needs to be tackled wow yeah sexual sin it's interesting how like in the bible and scripture would say and i think you know this too like they label they call sexual sin the

spirit of jesabel you know and queen jezebel was one of manipulation and control and it seems like that is exactly what only fans is doing it's manipulating and controlling people not just the people consuming it but the people that are the victims, the ones that are being the puppets that are being exploited. And it's really interesting, and I want to hit on this for a moment, but sexual sin really comes after Christians. And in the in the gospels, we read about John the Baptist, he gets arrested by King Herod. I don't know if you know this story, but he's in jail. And then King Herod refused to kill John the Baptist because he was terrified. The people love John the Baptist. So they were like, yo, if I kill John the Baptist, the people are going to revolt against me. It's going to be a bad

deal. So I'm just going to throw him in jail, leave him in there. Well, then he had a birthday party at his house, and this lady did a strip tease on King Herod. And King Herod said, I'll give you anything you want up to half my kingdom. What do you want? I'll give you all the riches up to half my kingdom. What do you want? And she said, I want John the Baptist's head on a platter. Now, John the Baptist didn't fall into sexual sin, but it's very interesting to me how sexual sin tends to headhunt Christians, I believe. What's what's the warning or the encouragement you give to Christians to keep your guard up? Like, how would you encourage in this over, over sensualized culture, we're glued to our phones? Like, how, how easy is it for someone to scroll on their phone right now? And in 10 videos,

they probably see someone that lures them into Onlyfans. They have no idea, you know? So like, how, what is the encouragement to Christians to just be alert or what they consume? I think I have two answers. My first one is when, like, for the hopefulness of people understanding the severity of this, and you'd know more than I do, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been like very slowly going through Paul's letters. And one of the most interesting things I find

of how much he's trying to protect to the church congregation, and they talk about that in acts of like, what can you do, what can't you do? Like these Gentiles and like, what are the rules? And one of the biggest ones is sexual immorality. Don't go have sex. There's things about eating sacrifices and stuff, but then also bad theology.

They're kind of the main. things that can deceive believers. And I think that, yeah, sexual sin, we've seen it. Man, the amount of friends that I've had, even in my short time, that are on fire for Jesus, they get a boyfriend or a girlfriend, they start having sex before you know what they're off. There's a deception that's involved in it. So I think it's really important for believers to understand it for themselves.

Sex is not bad. I was going into schools for a little bit. And we would teach little kids. God says that everything was good, but then when he made us, we're very good. good. That's so simple, but we need to understand that. So all of our urges, our desires, the way that our body was made, it's not bad, but we just have to understand the context of it, right, and not have shame. Okay, you ever thought, that's okay. Jesus, I didn't like that thought. That didn't make me feel good. Please, can you take it from me? That's as crazy as it needs to get.

And I think it's really important for believers to have that biblical foundation for themselves of why this is important and why this is significant. And then the other thing that I proposed to a lot of young adults is I've heard everything. Even from pastors that ask me questions of like young adults are like, oh, well, people that have been saved, they got to experience sex and, you know, we haven't. So they know that's why. And there's like, there's such a curiosity about sex and such an allure to it. My simple thing is, you just got to think about how much does Jesus matter to you. Sit there and ponder on it. To be honest with you, because if the thought of the separation from God and understanding the consequence of sin, for me, I'm like, bro, I will never, I don't, I don't.

want to touch those things. Not because it's going to make me feel guilty, but because I'm like, I can't handle the thought of having to repent. To be honest with you, I have a really healthy fear of that. And I think that that's something that I just want to encourage people is not to listen to another person, tell you what to do, sit there with God, ponder on that. Be like, how much do I actually care about this? How important is this to me? And I think from there, you can start to build your own framework of like, wow, well, you know what? If I did go have sex with that guy, if I did don't do something, that's really not going to make me feel good. I am going to have a lot of shame about that. I understand the reason why now. So God, help me to navigate how I can have a healthy

relationship with you to navigate this. Yeah. And that's just kind of what I encourage people to do. Wow. I love that. I'm thinking specifically from like a male side too on my end. Like, I think we forget two things. Think we forget that self-control is a fruit of the spirit. I think we do forget that. You know, it's like I self-control is a fruit of the spirit. there's no scenario, according to Paul's letter to the Church of Corinth and 2 Corinthians, there's no scenario where we can't say no to sin through the strength of the Spirit of God. But I love how you were just honed in. Sex is a beautiful thing under the confines in covenant of marriage.

And according to what scripture says about, it's a very beautiful thing. But porn and Onlyfans and all this stuff is just jacking people up. it creates this fantasy too. That was something that I really had to rewire my brain on. Even though I hadn't watched porn since I became a Christian, that was something that God was really working on me within my first year on reframing, was like reframing how,

what relationships were like, what sex is like. Because I had, from the fifth grade till my junior year of high school consumed pornography on a regular basis because I had been exploited to it. And it had perverted my view of what sex was, and the beauty of it. So when I became a Christian, I had this person, I had this person who goes, sex is gross.

Like, you know, sex is awful. You know, I've got to, like, isolate and go shave my head and be a monk on an island. You know, like, something like that. But really, it's like, no, sex is a beautiful gift from God. And the most loving thing I can do is have self-control and wait. And I'm so glad that I waited. And, you know, there's so many people that haven't waited and there's no shame in that. You know, I think it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful redemption story to say,

hey, this was one thing that I didn't understand the weight to. Now I have weight and gravity to it. I have that healthy fear of the Lord. And I love that you put that, have a healthy fear of repentance. I think that's so important. Yeah, I think even just like another like practical and then like a spiritual is the other thing that I hope, even in people hearing this specifically men,

I think that when we can have critical analytical skills, right, and be able because we've all kind of grown up in a generation that we're so consumed by social media and consumed by everything. I see it when I speak with teenagers that now that they can understand the inner workings and the inner mechanisms of this, I have traveled around the States talking with teenagers of how influenced they are by

Bop House content, all these different girls and stuff, boys that are like, yep, I watch this and then I watch porn, all of that. Well, now you know that when you see that video, you're not going to be consumed by it. You have the critical awareness now to go, I know what that is. I can understand that.

I can choose to reject that. And I think that that's what's really important too is the practical side of understanding that because it again, it's this allure. It's this process of escalation and then before you know it. So I think that's really important for people. And then kind of what you said as well, just to kind of emphasize it, I think that people, not in like a mean way, I don't mean this, but we do kind of make our own analysis on these things. So without like with porn and all of this and then it's bad, it's bad, it's bad, it's bad. Just seek time with Jesus. And I know every single person says that, but it could be 20 minutes.

Just put a timer on your phone. but like, God, I really want to get to the root of this. I really want help with this. How can I navigate this? And the Lord will have a tailor-made plan for you of how can you navigate this. That's what he did with me when coming out, you know, restoration of my innocence, understanding purity, deliverance from these things as well. It was just me seeking a lot of time with Jesus to actually understand this.

And I think that when we become Christian, we can very much easily fall into, I just believe it because the collective believes it. Or I just say these words because, you know, Christianese, language, right? It's like its own little thing. And I think that that's something we should really champion people and encourage again is understand what this means. Understand these words, sexual sin, sexual immorality. A sex is beautiful. It's not something, it's like, what does that mean? So I hope that it's a curiosity and an invitation for people to be like, yeah, I'm going to put a timer on my phone for 20 minutes and sit with the Lord and be like, I struggle with this. What can

I do? What scripture? How can I get help? And I think that that's really powerful for people because then you're not getting it from Bryce. You're not getting it from Vic. You're not getting it from your pastor, but you're getting it from an intimate, you know, moment with Jesus to help you. Yeah. Yeah, I think that you said something earlier, too, about accountability, which I think this is, like, I'm speaking this from experience in the past. Like, this is my encouragement to men. I can't tell you the amount of men I've ran into that I've been like, hey, Bryce, I really want to stop watching porn. And we just have like a simple conversation, like a practical conversation. Okay, well, like, how are you watching porn? When does it happen? And it's like, oh, I scroll in late at night.

on my phone or whatever. And the practical is, okay, well, yeah, like, ask God to give you strength and cut those things off, but deal aggressively with it. You know, Matthew 6, if you're right-hand calls you to send, cut it off. So I'm like, get an alarm clock, charge your phone in the other room and go. And I would, and this breaks so hard to say this with the majority of men I've talked to that. I've had similar conversations with. They say, oh, I just don't feel like doing that. And it's very interesting to me how, and I, this is like the stern compassion I have for men right now is like, yes, I agree that the porn industry and only fans is headhunting men, but I also think men need to step up and take accountability for actually wanting to quit

versus saying they want to quit just to like appease people. Because there's so many people I meet that are like, I really want to stop this. And it's like, okay, here's the root to why you're wanting to do it. And they go, well, I just don't feel like doing it. And then that, to me, that is a clear indicator that someone, oh, maybe you actually don't want to give up this porn thing. And then that, that to me, as a shift, makes me, go, maybe your just perception of love is warped, because maybe that's why you think, because that

was me, I was personally on an escape for love. I was trying to find what love was. I was escaping my problems, trying to run to things. I never did drugs or alcohol, but the thing that was attractive to porn, that was attractive to me about porn and stuff like that was because, oh, well, this is what love is, right? So this is, yeah, it's like cool, but the shame and the guilt and Yeah. And I don't say that to bury people in guilt and shame. And I think you get what I'm saying too. Yeah. I don't want to come across too harsh to men. But it's just like I can't tell you the countless amount of men. And maybe you haven't run into this problem. But I've run into this problem a lot where I talk to men in particular. I don't have this conversation with women. I just think it's an inappropriate conversation. But men, when I run into them, they go, yeah, I really want to stop this thing. But when it comes down to stopping it, they're like, I just, don't want to do it.

Yeah. And that breaks my heart. Do you run into that? Yeah, I think, well, that's why I encourage the whole thing of like, how much just, like, don't focus on a symptom of the root. The root, I believe, is how much do you actually care about your relationship with Jesus? Because if you, that's why I encourage people to ponder on that. Because if you really love the Lord, and again, don't hear what I'm not saying of like,

that doesn't mean you're a Christian, like, no, no, no, no, no. This is more like an emotional and spiritual maturity thing, right? of it, sit there and ask yourself that. Ask yourself why. Again, critical, like, analytic analysis skills, whatever you want to call it. Well, okay, I went and spoke with Bryce. He told me to put the phone out of the room. I don't really want to do that, but I do want to follow Jesus. Well, do I really care about Jesus? Do I actually think that this is important? Do I think this matters? How much do I want to follow him? Well, who's the person that I want to be? And you'll start to unravel that a little bit. And I think that's really powerful, because then you can understand your why. And then you can get more clear on, well,

maybe, you know what, I do really want to be a man of God. And I have a specific example of where this works. So I'll tell that next. But you know what? I really do want to be a man of God. And this doesn't actually align with what I want. Like, this is a hypothetical right. But that really works for people.

I think again, we have to start being like, here's a framework for how you can work through these issues yourself. And then for me, as I said, I've had to do that and be like, well, how much do I care about this? I've been in situations where I can drink alcohol. I can do drugs. I can smoke. And no one would know.

And I've had to sit there and go, well, how important is Jesus to me in this moment? Because if I touch that cigarette, how is that going to make me feel? Well, that's going to devastate me because it's going to break the Lord's heart. I can't do that. Man, I really want that drink. Everyone's offering it. Everyone's drunk right now. Oh, but I know the consequence if I do that.

And it's not worth it. It's not worth it to, you know, hurt my heart and hurt the Lord's heart doing that. And that's where that was really formed. And that's what I think's important is, hey, guys, again, reflect. on how important is Jesus to you. How important. One of the other things I tell myself, again, hopefully that helps people, is I'm like, I want to be the full inheritance of what he paid for on the cross. I do. I care that he died on the cross for all of this. He died so I could walk in incomprehensible freedom. He deserves that. I don't deserve that freedom. He does. So

Jesus, I want to walk in that freedom that you paid for. And I think that that deep, intimate love with Jesus and really caring about that, kind of as a byproduct, it, again, compels you with a healthy fear of God to go, well, it's just not worth it then. Look at what he did. It's not worth it. So that's why I encourage that to sit, ponder on those things. And I was, last year, I was in the States for about three months and I lived in Reading for a month and a half. Met this gentleman. Super cute old British man. I'm half British. So like we nerded out. It's like, my mom was born in Manchester. He's like, no way. So anyways, like had this super cute conversation.

And there's a little coffee shop at Bethel. So he's like, would you like to get a coffee after? This is a man in his 60s. I was like, yeah, of course. I love old people. And we kept talking, Bryce, dude, and he starts to tell me how he's a widower.

His wife passed away recently. They were married for 50 years. I obviously share my testimony why I'm here. And he goes, well, I watch porn. Is that bad? Is that the same as Only fans? And he goes, I don't think that God's mad at me for it. Because, you know, I was having sex for 50 years

and males have these natural urges. So are those girls in the porn having the same thing that happened with the girls and only fans that you're talking about? And we had this beautiful conversation about it. No, like, no, oh my gosh, yeah, dude, it's the same thing. But I would really like consider what's going on? Why are you watching this?

Like, what's happening in your heart? Like, can I pray for you? And like this fantastic conversation, about three weeks later, there's a conference. So he, I found out, left, went to Canada, came back for this conversation. Dude, his countenance, everything changed about him. And he comes up and he grabs me and he goes, since our conversation, I haven't touched porn.

I really sat with the Lord and he goes, it was like God revealed to me the grace that's on my life for safety. And this happened and I just realized it's not worth it. It's not worth it. And it was stalling the grief from my wife. And that's why I was doing porn because it was helping me. And I haven't touched it. And you can see it. And I was like, yes.

So I think that that for me was a real practical of like, It does work, that framework, I guess. And I just think that's such a cool story of encouraging people to just seek Jesus and seek that conviction for yourself. Yeah, that's very encouraging. I love how you brought the clarity to that. I'm very big on the practicals. And it's like, yeah, the practicals don't even matter if you're not motivated by love.

Because then it just becomes performance. Then you're going to burn out and fall into sin again. It's like, that's the worst when you lose sight of loving Jesus and then it becomes, performance of, oh, I got to, I can't watch porn again or I can't do this. I can't fall back into the drugs again. And it's like, all out of your own strength. It's like, well, crap, no wonder you're going to fall. You know, it's almost like, yeah, I'm so glad that you brought some clarity to that, because that is important to know that Jesus is the love. He's the love that you're chasing. And in that, it's then the only fans of porn, the drugs, the anger, the lashes out of anger,

things like that, like that turns into disgust and your heart begins to change. Yeah, I think one of the most beautiful things that's been really pivotal me in my journey is that I've been really blessed that I've been able to have it. I don't really have a normal job, I guess you could say. So I get to spend sometimes, I spend like 10 hours on the floor like crying with God for like months on end. And what he's taught me in that is that I never understood when Christians were like, seek births the kingdom and everything will come.

I was like, what does that mean? Like it doesn't make sense. it. But I'm like, wow, if you really, like, Francis Chan, I really love him at the moment of, like, do you, like, do you know how loved you are? Do you really, do you really understand how loved you are? And I know that sometimes we hear this, but that's the biggest friction I see in believers. They don't understand how loved they are. They fall into prefort. I have to do this. I have to do that. I have. No, if you sit there and you say, Jesus, like, that's been a prayer that I've been praying for so, since I've, since I've, since I've, understood this. Take those stones from my heart and can you help me to understand how loved I am? And as a byproduct of understanding that and spending intimate time with God, man, I just got,

I'm so loved. I don't have to worry about that. I don't have to worry. Like, if that person's mean to me, that's fine. Do I have to get mad about that? Why? Because I'm so loved. And you just like this little bubble of just so much peace and love. And then these things exactly like, I think about that, like I'm single, but coming into dating and I just know that I know that I'm like, I'm so loved. I don't have to worry about if I need to feel that I have to be hot for someone or this or that because Jesus, I'm just so enough for him. It's not even a thought. It's like it all just washes away.

And that's what I think it's like, seek first the kingdom and all those other little things. You're just going to go, I'm so loved. I don't have to worry about that. It's going to be fine. Jesus has got this. And everything just comes really simple. Wow. Yeah.

So encouraging. I think it's going to be freeing for a lot of people listening, especially that are struggling with sexual sin. Maybe they're consuming the only fans of the porn or even like the content. Maybe they're not even watching directly only fans or porn. Maybe they're watching the creators online. And to be honest, like that still is enabling some sort of sin.

Can I tell you a story? Please do. Okay. So I was in Georgia, actually. I was in I'll say. Oh, that's like the mountains. Dude, okay, I have a crazy, this is a side quest story. Can I tell you this very quickly?

Yes, please do it. So since coming on this faith journey, I reflect, sometimes I do really stupid things. This was one of the dumbest things I've done thus far. So I got invited to go to Georgia to speak at, it's called Global Youth, something. I can find out what it's called, but it's in the mountains and it's all of the churches come together. This guy emailed me. And I had no context. We had one phone call.

And he's like, yep, come to Georgia. I'll come pick you up. like you'll stay with us and I'd ask him a couple times like what am I actually doing? Oh, you're just speaking at a youth event. Didn't give me a name of it. Nothing. I land in Georgia at 11 o'clock at night and it hits me. I'm getting picked up by a strange man on the other side of the world.

I did not vet him. I have no idea who he is. No one knows where I am. I don't know anyone in Georgia and it's basically the middle of the night. And I was like, Jesus, I'm either about to get kidnapped and die or this is you. Like help. And I had, I was like, I was like, I will run right now.

Just God, tell me what to do. I'm walking to pick up my luggage. I had a sense of peace, but then I got worse because he picks me up. We're at Atlanta Airport. And he goes, oh, by the way, I live an hour and a half away in the mountains. And I was like, I think I'm going to die. Anyways, we went to Waffle House immediately. It's great.

But then when we got to his house, has kids, it's legit. He works in anti-human trafficking. And I just looked at him and I went, I think I really trust Jesus. And he looked at me and he goes, that was really dumb. I was like, yeah. I was like, I just picked up some strange girl in the middle of the night to bring you home. He's like, me and my wife would never allow that. How did that just happen?

He's like, that was stupid. Don't do that again. Anyways, that's like my random. Sometimes I just do dumb things with the Lord. Anyways, that's just one of my favorite stories. In Georgia, speaking at this youth thing. And after I finished speaking, I'm literally going to walk out of the building. And this young girl, and this is all, again, maybe like 13 to 15 years.

old kids that have grown up in church. Little town in Georgia, like Bible loving people, right? And she goes, excuse me, can I ask you a question? And I said, sure. She goes, how do you deal with the shame of what you did? So I sat down with her and I was like, why are you asking that? She goes, well, I watched Bobhouse content. And it made me do something with a boy last summer that I didn't want to do.

And I don't know how to live with the shame of it. And so that's why the social media element of this is so important. Because if you're maybe not going to the extremes of doing porn or can you, doing porn, what are you doing in your everyday life? Are you going and doing something sexual with a boy at 14 years old because you watch Bob House content and you think that's what you need to do? So I just think it was perfect that you said that because they're real life examples. And parents in faith are just unaware.

My kid wouldn't do that. They're not like, and it's like, 14 years old. Yeah. Oh, it's so sad. It's extremely sad. And this girl just came up to you and was like, how do I deal with this? So would she have been 13 when it went on? Or would, was she?

I have no idea. This was July last year. So your summer. Wow. Wait, no. The previous summer. So it would have been like a year ago. So maybe then, I would assume.

Yeah. Yeah. That's so sad. Is there, when you were working on the back end, like, obviously sexual sin, all this other stuff, it's demonic. But did you see anything demonic on the back end of working in this industry? No, I actually, I was actually having conversation. conversation with Jamie about this talking. I sometimes go undercover to like a cult festivals and like

a new age festivals and devil worshiping stuff. And we evangelize it's so cool. So cool. But you know what I noticed? It's so cute. There's rocks and they're pink and it's purple and it's colorful and it's really fun and alluring, right? And you've got cute little candles and they smell great and these tarot cards. Like they've got pretty colors on them. And I was like, this is the deception of like that angel of the light, but it's actually darkness. So it's the same in only fans. It looks so elite. It's not like it has this heaviness. There were moments, of course, as I said, the girls would have these mental health spirals. I was basically high half the time.

But the superficial allure is like, this is amazing. This is fun. This is beautiful. This is sexy. Again, luxury cars, luxury homes. Like, that's the whole allure, I think. I don't think that it has a feel to it of darkness until you're in too deep. And then that's where you go, oh my gosh, what am I doing?

How did I get here? So again, like with everything, it's super. fun and flirty and amazing for the first little bit and then there's always a turning point. Did any of those girls leave that were working the creators? Did any of them leave after you ended up leaving and having this? I have the coolest story. So, um, about a year after me and one of my friends through like an event together, she invited some people, I invited some people for business stuff. This girl comes. And she was one of the account managers that I trained at the agency and she was one of the only fans girls. And I go, what are you doing here? And she goes,

what are you doing here? So obviously I just kind of disappeared off the planet. So I get to tell her my whole testimony, everything like that. And she goes, well, Vic, it's crazy. A week after you left, I left. The agency actually has shut down now. And I've been watching your TikTok videos the past year. And I am now in a completely different industry. I understand my value. I understand that. You know, I don't have to be ashamed and lie about what my work is anymore. And so now I'm doing this. And I've totally turned away from that life. Wow. That's so cool. Yeah. Wait, so the agency isn't even a thing anymore. No, shut down last year. Wow. Praise God.

I know, isn't it crazy? That is very crazy. Yeah. Praise God. Wow. That is wild. You're doing some incredible work, and I praise Jesus for everything that you're doing. We got to, before we pray, you got to talk about this murder story. You can't just like over, overlook, oh, I just almost got murdered. and so can you please explain you surviving a murder attempt yeah it was a couple weeks before my 21st birthday and basically what we believed at the time is it was someone who had like alcohol-induced psychosis now obviously I think there's a little bit more of a spiritual element to it but to put it shortly this person went on like an alcohol rampage they put three people in the hospital that evening I was trying to run away from this situation and without going into all the

details there's a broken window i'm trying to get into a car to run away um the car's locked and this person comes up to me and it just kept pushing me pushing me pushing me and i was like please don't touch me don't touch me and goes f you f all of this throws me through the window um and that's how it was like sharp sharp like super long and my face just split through this entire window it was crazy like but it's the coolest jesus story but um yeah like wait so so why why did this guy Explain the scenario. Like were you out at a bar? Like were you out downtown?

Or like, where was this guy? No, this was like a person who was like close with our family. That's why it's messy. So someone, we were at a family event. This was not someone in our family,

but they basically drank too much. Turns out they have an abusive past. We didn't know that. So after this event happened and they kind of went a little crazy, all these things came out of the woodworks of their past. And then that's how we found out that this person probably wasn't a safe person.

And they hurt multiple people that night. Yeah, they threw like a pop plan. my cousin's husband, like, has his ear split open. My brother was like, anyways, it was crazy. And then that happened to me. And then years later, so that was, I just turned 21, 27 now, but when I got saved at 25, one of my first deliverance sessions.

So I'm in inner healing, and we're going through all the big tea trauma, right? And we went through this event. And the ladies who were helping me through this just said, asked Jesus where he was that night. And literally I had a vision of my death. And he goes over and over again. You were supposed to die that night, but I saved you. And it was like, dude, it was the sickest.

Yeah, it was so cool. I got to come home, tell my parents, and we just cried. And I was just like, I can't believe that even in all my sin, all my grossness, you know, I was crazy at that time, that the Lord was still there. And he showed me my death. And he showed my head go through that window when I should have died. And he goes, you were supposed to die, but I saved you. I just can't believe that that's what the Lord did for me.

like, you know, at 21 and I got saved at 25. Like, when you look back, he's, he's always there no matter what the thing is. Wow, that's so encouraging. Now, you know, it's so interesting to me, you said that your whole face split open, but you don't have, your scar's not big and it's not noticeable. Yeah, I'll show you the pictures. So, um, no. So it goes from like here to here.

Okay. Um, but I've been praying for God to remove the scar. And so bit by bit, it was like really heavy, swollen. I'm also wearing a lot of makeup. But yeah, it's just slowly going away. So I just keep track of it until one day I really pray that it goes. Wow. That is so.

And so you, I'm just mind blown. You got, how long was the recovery? You got thrown through a window. Yeah. And was the window already broken when you got thrown. So yeah. It was like, think of like a house window that's like this. And then there was a shot of glass, shot of glass, really long shot of glass.

All here was broken. I got thrown through and my head went through the really long one. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Wow. praise God that you're alive

I mean it's obviously evident now right in the moment being a believer and experiencing the back end of God's grace and being empowered and going out impacting people doing the work

you're doing it's incredible thank you for everything that you're doing and fighting against this industry that's luring people into sexual sin and shame and empowering the industry

to keep going forth thank you for doing that would you pray for everyone as we close my gosh yes Jesus I just thank you Lord so much that we live in an era where these conversations are so easily accessible.

I pray, Lord God, for every single person that is on the other side of this, that is hearing this, that there is just incomprehensible freedom that they're able to access through this, that any shame or guilt that they were feeling about any type of sexual immorality, no matter what it was, no matter if they thought it was big or small, that it matters to you and that you're not judging them, but you just want to envelop them in your incomprehensible, unconditional love and let them know where that they can come to you that you are so safe that you see them and that there is a way out no one is too far gone and so i pray for every single person that the

biggest takeaway from this is they understand that there is a god that loves them i pray that they understand and want to pursue what it means that jesus died on that cross and the significance of that and the miracle of that and i just pray that every single person walks away with a renewed sense of hope and an excitement to fall greater and more deeply in love with you, Jesus. Thank you for this, God. Thank you that this is the era that we live in. And I just bless every single person on the other side of this. And thank you for the testimonies of freedom that are to come.

Your name, Jesus. Amen.