The Bryce Crawford Podcast - Sam Shamoun EXPOSES Islam (EP 182)

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

In this episode, Bryce speaks with Sam Shamoun. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on, guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryson today. I have a very special guest getting this graciously sit down. We've got Sam Shammoon with us today. Am I special? You're very special. Well, they say I have special needs. Whoa, do they? That's right. Wow. And thanks for sitting down. Now, some people know you as, do you put this username on your Zoom. Halal Hogan. Is that what you do? That started because, sorry, we asked the Holy Spirit, first of all, to fill you and I and purge us in this purifying fire and purify us in the bluish. of Jesus Christ. I ask the Holy Spirit to give me the health that I need, the vigor and strength, and the holiness that we need to glorify Jesus Christ by the precious blood of Jesus. Holy Spirit, you are the teacher. Strengthen my throat in Jesus' name. As you can see, brother, I'm not young.
Starting point is 00:00:46 I'm 53. My health is decaying. 20 years ago, I could speak for nine hours. My throat would be good. Right now, it's all the grace of Jesus Christ. It's always been the grace of Jesus Christ, but come back to what you're asking me. Halal Haugan was the name that I adopted because there was a series we did. I don't know if you remember the Islamasai series. Okay. Years ago, it's actually, I think you can find it still on YouTube
Starting point is 00:01:13 because they were being deleted because they're too controversial. It was a series pretty much a parody off of what a couple of Muslim converts attempted to do. There are some who convert Islam, and they were looking to murder Robert Spencer and Pam Geller. Because they had this conference going on where they were going to exercise their free speech
Starting point is 00:01:39 to criticize Muhammad. So these guys went there with the intention of killing them. They got killed. So this was a parody on what Islam does to you. So you know how you have... Have you heard of Super Size Me? Yeah, yeah. The documentary.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Well, this is a parody off of that and parod off of what happened. So Islamized me. happens to a person who studies Islam, what happens to them within 30 days. So they brought me in as Halal Hogan and the Mad Shech. You can actually see it. You can put on Halal Hogan, parody, or you can put Mad Shech, and then you're going to see me. Wow. That's right. I love it. Well, you, a lot of people, I definitely like younger people like myself, we see more of like the newer, more recent, like Zoom conversations that you have, but you've been doing this for years talking to Islam. I mean, how long have you been talking to Muslims? I wanted to full-time ministry
Starting point is 00:02:30 1999. I had asked the Lord if you wanted me to devote myself to refuting Islam. There was a website that had just started. Remember, in the 90s, the internet was just catching on. 90s, we didn't have Zoom, we didn't have YouTube, we didn't have none of that to go live. Everything was written. So you'd start a website, you'd write an article. I'd start a website, website, and either write an article, respond to yours, and we went back and forth. So there was a brother named Yochen Katz. From Germany, started the answering Islam website. People can still go there.
Starting point is 00:03:09 It's the most comprehensive website refuting Islam, defending Christianity. He started in 98. I joined him in 99. So when I asked the Lord, do you want me to do this full time? I asked for a sign. Gave me the sign. Never looked back. So since 1999, I became.
Starting point is 00:03:25 the chief writer, not the best writer, but the chief writer, because I was doing it full-time. So right now, with the articles on the website and the blog, because I started a blog, someone calculated that I have 4,200 articles since 1999. So 4,000, that's what I didn't count. There's a brother in the Lord Jesus Christ who happens to be one of my mods from my YouTube channel. He said you have about 4,200 articles and rebuttal. So that's what I've done since 1999.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Wow. Oh, praise Jesus. And you... So how long have you been following Jesus? How did that occur? How did you begin to believe in Jesus? My story goes back. Well, you have to start with my ethnicity.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I'm Assyrian, not Syrian, right? When I say Assyrian, are you from Syria? No. Assyrian, Ashuraya. We get our name from our ancestor, Ashur. So an Assyrian is a... Ashura, a son of Asher. Like, you know how Israel? Why are they called Israel? Because
Starting point is 00:04:29 their father, Jacob, his name was Israel. These are descendants of Israel. So Asher is found in Genesis Chapter 10, 21 and 22. If you go there, the sons of Shem. One of his sons is Ashur. That's the ancestor of my people. Wow. That's why we're called Semites. Shemites, descendants of Shem,
Starting point is 00:04:50 Sam, Semites. So Semite means a descendant of Shem. So Assyrians are descendants of Shem. You have various strands of Arabs. There would also be descendants of Shem, but not all Arabs would be. But nonetheless, not to believe or the point. So I'm Assyrian. If you look at the history of the spread of Christianity and conversion of the Christian faith,
Starting point is 00:05:12 Assyrians are one of the first people to convert to Christianity. Their conversion starts in the first century. So Syrians heard the gospel, convert it, and so they took on Christianity as their religion. I was born to an Assyrian Christian family. Now, the church that my family is affiliated with is called the Assyrian Church of the East. Look it up.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Ancient church, in fact, at one time in history, I would say perhaps by the 8th century, 700s, it was the largest denomination of Christians the world over. Assyrians even went as far as India, and China and converted people to the Christian faith. But when you read his three books, the church is called the Nestorian Church, even though they're not Nestorians.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Nonetheless, that's the label given to them. I was born into that background, baptized as an infant, but nonetheless, my parents didn't teach me the Christian faith. There was a nine-year-old boy, Assyrian from Lebanon. His grandmother was a devout, godly Catholic woman. uncles on his mother's side, Baptist, so they taught him to preach and evangelize. So this nine-year-old evangelized me when I was six and a half. And he's the one who introduced me to who Jesus was, not my parents.
Starting point is 00:06:36 My parents, though, Christian, by name, they didn't teach me the Christian faith. He did. So at six and a half, I was introduced to Jesus being the son of God. Fast forward, teenage years, became rebellious, fell away. But then right before I turned 20, returned to my Christian roots. So I started reading the Bible again And then my journey began when I interacted with Muslims And then the rest of history
Starting point is 00:07:00 I went into full-time ministry, apologetics Wow Now why Islam That's not the only thing that you focused on And those aren't the only people that you conversate with But that seems to be Something that you're passionate about You're zealous about reaching the Muslims
Starting point is 00:07:17 Is that because of an ethnic thing? Like what is that? I'm not so much passionate about reaching Muslims. I'm not saying I'm not passionate about reaching them. Of course, I want Muslims to get saved. My passion about Islam wasn't so much because I wanted to convert Muslims. And of course, I do want to convert them. Their religion is false. Mamat is an Antichrist. The reason why I became passionate about Islam is because when I returned to my Christian roots, I had an encounter with a Muslim Apologians. Now, if I were to just backtrack a little bit,
Starting point is 00:07:52 as I was coming back to Christianity I was introduced to Islam here in the West so that's another irony though my parents it takes a while for my throat to warm up don't take advantage of your youth friend I want to see how you're going to be
Starting point is 00:08:08 when you're 53 years old I'm drinking the electro lights right now well hey man as long as it's electrifying all I can say is will you still have your hair when you're 53 I pray to God I will have my hair I've got an egg shaped head under here so if I lose my hair it's it's bad
Starting point is 00:08:21 You have like the perfect head shape for no hair. Like I don't have the perfect head shape for no hair. So like if I shave my head, it wouldn't look good. Brother, but you can audition for Batman. Egghead. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Did you?
Starting point is 00:08:35 Egghead? Oh, I thought you meant I was going to be Batman. No, man. If you watch Batman, one of the villains was Egghead. Yeah, I would be egghead. You're making hot. Hey, thank you. Brother.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Bald is beautiful and eggs are beautiful. In fact, eggs are high protein. You're right. Don't knock it until you try it. But so coming back to issue, what was I talking about? Yeah, okay. So even though my family's from the Middle East, they never told me about the religion of their neighbors
Starting point is 00:09:01 because my parents are from Iraq. I was born in Kuwait. But they never told me about Islam. I learned about Islam here in Chicago. From Chicago, I was introduced Islam by a member of the nation of Islam, and he blew me away, gave me a Kron, and I was really confused. Started studying Malcolm Xxie. read his autobiography and I got really more confused like wow this religion maybe there's
Starting point is 00:09:26 something to it but I went back to the New Testament fell in love with Jesus Christ and I had a friend who was a Muslim that I witnessed to he started liking Christianity but he brought in his Muslim friends and we had debates I was green they were green didn't know much about Christianity they didn't know much about Islam they brought an apologist to tear me to shreds and humiliate me so then I cried out to the Lord I go Lord if you give me answers to the objection I promise to commit myself, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, obviously. I can't do without the Spirit, to never allow any Christians to be humiliated by Muslims again. That's what started my journey.
Starting point is 00:10:02 So my passion, I don't want people misunderstand me. I want everyone to come to know Jesus Christ because he is the only hope of salvation. Christ is real. Without Jesus, there is no salvation. So everyone needs the Lord. Muslims need the Lord. But my passion started with making sure Christians, are equipped so that no Christian gets humiliated, embarrassed, no Christian starts losing his or her
Starting point is 00:10:29 faith, that they are strengthened in their faith. So my passion is first equip the body of Christ and then reach out to those who are not part of the body of Christ. So there is my passion. That's why over 90% of my material is not really focused on Islam. It's focused on the core Christian doctrines. Why do we believe in the Trinity? Why do we believe Jesus has gone to flesh? Why do we believe in the mess salvation. These are the focuses of my minister because these are the main areas that the Muslims will attack. Wow. Yeah, Islam is interesting to me because at least here in the West, we, like I get to grow up in a country, freedom of religion, I can walk in the street and be like, I'm a Christian and some people will be like, yeah, whatever. Some people
Starting point is 00:11:11 be like, oh, cool, you know, whatever, whatever may be. But for the Muslim, it's like their blood. It's their heritage. It's not like a, it's not like, it's not like. It's not like. It's not like. an attachment to their life. It's just who they are. So just from the little that I've been able to encounter, one of the reasons why it appears to me, it seems so hard for a Muslim to just turn from Islam is because they're like, well, my family and my friends
Starting point is 00:11:38 and my all this. So if you were navigating a conversation with a Muslim and they were like, you know, you're getting me, you're reaching me, but like right now I just don't, my family, my friends. Yeah, well, that's the price you have to pay. It's not just Muslims. If you survey the landscape, you have a lot of people who are Christians because of their particular ethnic group.
Starting point is 00:11:59 For example, if you're Greek, most likely you're Eastern Orthodox. Assyrian, most likely you're a Syrian church of the East. So it's not just Muslims per se. A lot of ethnic groups, part of their identity is their religion that their ancestors adopted. So when you talk about Muslims, for example, not all Pakistanis are Muslims, but large number would be Muslims. Not all Arabs are Muslims. There's a lot of Arabs who are Christians. In fact, Egypt, a lot of people may not know this.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Egypt is not, they're not Arabs and they're not part of Arabia. You know what content of Egypt is a part of? What are they? Africa. Yeah, wow. Egypt is African. But why do we associate that with Islam? because we think, you know, they're Muslims, they're Arabs.
Starting point is 00:12:50 And originally Egyptians, they were Christians. Yeah. When Islam came and took over, a lot of them were forced to convert. But my point is, most groups are born into a particular religious expression. Even in the West, if you're born in America, most likely, until I mean now, recent times, obviously. But if you look back 56 years, if you're born in America, if you're born in America, you're born in America, you're born in America, in America, you were definitely part of some Christian group. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Right? So ethnicity and religion, sometimes they just go in and in. Now, coming back to your question. Yes, it's going to be hard to dislodge a Muslim from Islam because his particular culture, his ethnic group, their identity is tied in with their religion. So he is, or she is born a Muslim because their parents are Muslims and their parents are, were Muslims and their parents were Muslims. Why? Because at some point, Islam came, conquered a particular area, and forced mass conversions. Right? So when you leave Islam,
Starting point is 00:14:00 you're not just leaving a religion. You're leaving behind your culture and your ethnic identity. So it comes at a price. But my question to them would be, if you go back into your own history, there was a time in which even your culture had to become Muslim, right? And because Islam hasn't been there since the dawn of man. If we go with the traditional Islamic narrative, start in the 7th century, 600s. So when it spread its rule all over the world, it encountered people who had a different religion. So I'm pretty certain they would have said the same thing. Well, I can't become Muslim because then I lose my family.
Starting point is 00:14:42 But you believe they made the right choice when they became Muslim. And they're willing to pay the price because the sacrifice was worth it. They're leaving their identity as a culture was worth that sacrifice for eternal life. So this is what I would tell them, basically. So some point in time, your ancestors were not Muslims. Do you think they made the right decision from turning their back against their religion that was tied in with their particular culture or ethnic group. For instance, the Persians.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Their religion is Zoroastrianism. They are what we today call Zoroastrians. That was their religion, their identity. Zoroastrianism is an ancient religion that predates the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. So when the Persians became Muslim, I'm not going to say forced conversion. Because they don't believe that in there. No, Islam is peaceful, yeah. Islam is the religion of peace and that will have a peace of you here.
Starting point is 00:15:43 a piece of you there. So it's a religion of pieces, right? Don't be politically correct, man. You're right. You are right. How dare you, Sam? That's not Islam. You're just, you know, Islamophop. It is not, no, it's not a religion of the peace. It's not a religion of peace. And I think, I think, not to cut you off, but like, what we're seeing in America, Islam in America, it's not real Islam. It's not. Like, when I'm looking at... Well, let me clarify that. If you study the history of Muhammad, Muhammad's evolution, if you look at his evolution from him starting off claiming to be a prophet to then become a warlord, this is Islam, depending on what stage you find Muslims in.
Starting point is 00:16:25 So I like to break down the stage of Islamic expansion in three. Some will do four. First stage is when you're outnumbered. And by the way, this is reflected in the Kran. If people want to know the Kran and understand, it's historical context, you need a good commentary to explain to you which chapters of the crown were composed where? Because the chapters of the crown are divided into two periods. The Meckin period, the Medin period. The Mecci Medanidini. The Meccan period is when Muhammad was outnumbered from around 6'10, excuse me, because say, man, I'm telling you, you stuff with water, dude, shoot. There you go. Is that your? I got water here.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Is that your bodyguard? Hey guys, you can't see his bodyguard. He would put the fear of God in Arnold Schwarzenegger. By the way, the camera adds 10 pounds. They got six cameras on me. But coming back, yeah, so coming back to the issue of whether this is real Islam or not, it is, depending on what stage. So when Muhammad claimed to be a prophet in 61080 in Mecca, he was outnumbered by the
Starting point is 00:17:36 disbelievers. They're the ones who had the power, they had the money, they had the, the control. During that stage, the message of Islam was more, one of more, let's preach and see who's right, but if you disagree,
Starting point is 00:17:52 to you, religion, to my religion. That's stage one. So when he said it's not real Islam, well, they're in the same circumstances as Muhammad was when he was outnumbered. So what part of Islam will they implement, stage one. Wow.
Starting point is 00:18:08 The people, in control in charge outnumber the Muslims and the Muslims have no means of subjugating the people taking control of their economics, politics and every other aspect of society. So this is Islam in stage one. From 610 to around 622, Muhammad, or 623 they'll say 13 years, was living in that context of being outnumbered. So if you read the chapter of the crown composed during that period, you'll find very little on fight those who fight you.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Very little on, fight those who don't believe like you. Very little, if at all. Then he migrates to Medina. This is all in Arabia. Medina's to the north. Now he becomes the head of state. Now stage two. Fight those who fight you and oppress you.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Self-defense stage. Fast forward, two years before he dies, he conquers the entire Arabian Peninsula. All of rabies on his control. Now he has a huge military base. He now controls the economics. Now is stage three. Expand Islam militarily politically.
Starting point is 00:19:20 So when you say this is not real Islam, no, it is real Islam because of the stage in which Muslims are. Now, if you want to see this paradigm played out, look at the different areas of the world, see if the Muslims are the majority or not. If they are, it will be seen. it'll be stage three. Straight truth and they're in control. They're the ones who can tell you what you do and you cannot do. If they have a large number, stage two.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Islamophobia, you're robbing us of our rights and you're not letting our women put on the veil and we have a right to now attack. When they're minority, stage one. So look around the demographics and see which country will you find Muslims implementing which stage. So in America, what stage would they be implementing? One-ish, too. Getting to two, right? What about certain pockets in England? Oh, it's like two right now.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Two. Yeah. What about Muslim majority country? That's stage three. Yeah. Say how it works. So it's not that it's not real Islam. It is real Islam, depending on your context.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Whoa. Each one of these stages reflect the stage in Muhammad's development. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, you're looking in the pockets of Europe. I was thinking about that right before you had. like the political power that they've obtained. Once they get a little bit of that, you can't get back. Friend, did you see what they just did in Times Square for Ramadan?
Starting point is 00:20:48 Yeah. They took it over. With the permission of the mayor, the city, with police protection, they took over the whole Times Square to pray to their pagan God, their false God. This is the thing. Because we pride ourselves on freedom of religion,
Starting point is 00:21:07 and freedom of assembly, if we restrict those rights to Muslims, then the same liberals will then say, then we'll restrict them for you. See, we're in a position, damn if you do, damn if you don't. If I don't want them to assemble and I don't want them to gather because I'm afraid of Islamic takeover, that means I'm asking for their freedom of religious expression and assembly to be restricted. But then what's the way?
Starting point is 00:21:37 stops the politicians to then restrict your freedom as a Christian from assembling and expressing yourself. So you're in a very bad position. If you're pushing for them to be censored, then they're going to censor you. But if you don't push for them to be censored, then they're going to take control slowly but surely. Yeah, I mean, you tell me. Do you want them to stop assembling? They'll say, all right, we got to be fair. Then we got to stop all religious groups to assemble. You don't want them to preach Islam? Then we got to be fair. We got to now restrict all groups. from preaching their message. So you're in a situation, you don't win.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Yeah, that's sad. That is. That's the reality of America. It's not the America of your grandparents, by the way. So what's the response then? Is there a better option? There's no human solution. I don't want to sound like a pessimist
Starting point is 00:22:24 because I've thought about it. I really, again, I don't want to sound pessimistic because I'm not because Jesus is Lord. He is. He's alive. Muhammad is dead. Jesus is Almighty. but we know that it's going to be very dark before the Lord descends.
Starting point is 00:22:42 In fact, they say it's darkest right before the dawn. Before dawn breaks, it gets very dark. Jesus is the dawn that breaks through the darkness and destroys it. So I expect, this is just me, my understanding scripture, I can be wrong, it's going to get worse until the Lord descends. And only Jesus has a solution to this problem. Your politics ain't going to solve it. your economics ain't going to solve it.
Starting point is 00:23:07 None of this can solve it. And if we're going to be realistic, we're not going to have all Muslims converting. Because if you believe that the Lord Jesus doesn't compel people to accept them, that means until the Lord returns, because people have the right to choose and the Lord doesn't compel people to accept them,
Starting point is 00:23:26 not everyone's going to accept Christianity. So we're going to be living with the children of Satan. And this is actually in one of Jesus' parables. If you go to Matthew 13, 24 to 30, he talks about an owner of a field planting good seed. And his enemy at night came and planted bad seed. Tears among the weeds. So then the servants came and said, look, your enemy came at night and planted tears. What should we do?
Starting point is 00:23:50 He goes, wait till the harvest, because in the beginning stages, you can't tell the difference between the wheat and the tear. Certain type of wheat and tear, and that geographical location looks identical in the beginning stages. It's until harvest, then you can distinguish. He goes, wait till the harvest, lest you accidentally pluck out the wheat. Then he explains it, Matthew 13, 36, 43. He goes, the owner of the field is the son of man, Jesus. The field is the world. The good seed are the children of the kingdom, children of God.
Starting point is 00:24:22 The enemy is the devil. His seed are the children of the devil. So the Lord says, the harvest is when the son of man returns at the end to judge. So he just told you, you're going to live with children of Satan until he returns. He says that in the parable. You cannot get rid of the children of Satan. The Lord says they will be among you in your midst, in the world, till the son of men returns on the day of judgment.
Starting point is 00:24:47 So are you going to get rid of them? Wow. You can't do it, man. Dang. That's so interesting and fascinating. Yeah, I like that perspective that you shared of not real Islam. It's not. It's just different stages.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah, that's so fascinating to me. I want to rewind back to Muhammad. Because I have so many questions about this, dude. How many hours you got? We got all the time of the world. So Muhammad, let me share the little I know about Muhammad and then you correct where I've disorganized and what's right and what's wrong.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Muhammad gets a revelation in a cave, no eyewitnesses and then his wife convinces him that he's a prophet sent from God but he was going to he thought a demon was interacting with him can you can you explain that whole
Starting point is 00:25:46 if you go with the Sunni by the way we got to mention that the largest group of Muslims in the world are the Sunni branch of Islam the second largest would be the Shia so the Shia are not as numerous
Starting point is 00:26:02 but they are the second largest group. What divides them is really political. I just want to let you know that. So when I talk about Muslims, I'm talking specifically about Sunni Muslims. We have to be careful because there are some Muslims that are Quran only. So what I'm going to tell you, they reject
Starting point is 00:26:20 because they don't believe in what they call the Hadith. Hadith is a report attributed to Muhammad or his companions, right? So Quran-only Muslims say we don't care about Hadid. The Shia have their own hadiths. right so the hadiths that I'm mentioning are those accepted by the largest group of Muslims in the world the Sunni Muslims right and they come from what they would call sahih sita I'm not trying to sound impressive I like Arabic sadly the Muslims monopolize it but Arabic was created to be used to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ the God of all nations a God of all Arabs he owns them all he loves them all and we will reclaim Arabic for the glory of Jesus Christ because all nations and all tongues must praise him. Daniel 7, 13 and 14. Yeah. Relation 5, right? 8 to 14, I just want to know.
Starting point is 00:27:05 That's right. You know your Bible. By the way, do you know what Acts chapter 29 verse 20 says? I do not. Because there's no Acts 29. Fist bump. Come on. Hey. Amen.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Boya Shakka. See, that's why you don't know it because you know your Bible. That's why, wait, you found the lost manuscript, but coming back to Muhammad. You follow the lost manuscript? So according to the most authentic collection of narrations, attributed to Muhammad, from the Sunni, paradigm. Sall Bukhari Saha'e, meaning sound
Starting point is 00:27:34 Al Bukhari, a man named Al Bukhari collected what he deemed to me the most authentic narrations. And that was his best friend, right? No, no, Bukhari comes 9th century, 800s. Muhammad said, you're talking about Abu Bakr. Yes. Abu Bakr al-Sidiyq. He
Starting point is 00:27:50 was Muhammad's best friend, according to the Sunni narrative, not the Shia. Gotcha. Who married his daughter off to Muhammad. She was six, and then nine when they consummated. Oh, we're going to get to that. shoot, man. It was acceptable back then, Hater. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:28:06 So he claims that as he was fasting, and there are in a tradition say that he was observing Ramadan, some traditions, and a spirit appeared to him. Spirit told him read or recite, because the Arabic word for read or recite, Iqra can mean read or recite. It depends on the context. So if you have a book and I say, Iqra, that means read.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Or I can say, Iqra, and then I'll recite words, meaning now repeat after me. Gotcha. So according to the tradition, the spirit says to him read or recite. There's a debate because there are some narrations that are contradictory, but we'll go with the popular and
Starting point is 00:28:42 the normative understanding. He said to him read. Mamad said, I don't know how to read. So the spirit squeezed him to the point of Mamad, this is actually, for those listening, online you go to sunda.com, S-U-N-N-A-H-com. It has all the major
Starting point is 00:28:59 Hadith collections that are translating English available online for free. Wow. It's all there. So you don't even need to buy the books. And the night is I have to go buy books. I'm broke, man.
Starting point is 00:29:10 If I had internet, I would have had at least a million bucks and buy me a house, dude. Settlive in an apartment, haters. But anyway. So you go to sunnah.com. It's volume one, number three of Sahel Bukharie.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Sahil Bukari. Should we pull it up? It's up to you if you want to. Can we pull it up? It was Sunnah.com. S-U-N-A-H. S-U-N-A-H. SUN-N-A-D-D-com.
Starting point is 00:29:34 And then you can read off the screen. You see where it says, Sa'I-Bu-Khari? Yep. Click that one, the first one on the left. Down to your left, right there, yep. Click one that says Revelation. Number one, up top. Go to number three.
Starting point is 00:29:46 You can read it if you want. I can't see it. Right there, that one, right there. That one. Can you see it? Yep. Read it slowly. The commencement of the divine inspiration
Starting point is 00:29:52 to Allah's messenger was in the form of good dreams, which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go into seclusion in the cave of Hira, where he used to worship Allah alone continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey of food for the stay,
Starting point is 00:30:14 then come back to his wife, Cadesia, to take his food likewise again until suddenly the truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The prophet replied, I do not know how to read. The prophet asked,
Starting point is 00:30:29 The angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. Now you understand before you continue reading. The spirit is spiritually violating him because he felt like he was going to die. But notice how many times the spirit is going to now violate him psychologically. And it gets him to want to commit suicide. Now watch. That was the first time he did it right? Wow.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah. Then he released me and again asked me to read and I replied, I do not know how to read. You would think that the angel, that the angel already know that Muhammad can't read. Right? If Allah's sending him, does Allah know the condition of this man? That he's illiterate? Yeah. So why ask him to do something he can't do and then torture him for not doing it? Yeah. See, Islam itself is just demonic at its core, irrational, incoherent, unintelligible.
Starting point is 00:31:18 But now watch what happens. So he asked him again, read. I don't know to read. So what did he do? And then it says that the angel came to him and asked him to read. He did it again. It says, therefore, he caught me up for a third time and pressed me and then released me and said, read in the name of your Lord. So he tortured him three times. Three times. And after the third time, after pressing the life out of him to the point he thought, I want to be killed. Then he says, recite the first three verses of chapter 96, so that al-Aq, right? The sort of chapter of the clot. So he said, now repeat after me. Now what happens, though? Keep reading.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Keep reading. He says, read, and your Lord is the most generous. Then Allah's messenger returned with the inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija and said, cover me, cover me. In other words, you know how when a child is afraid of the boogeyman? What do they do? They run under the covers, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:17 He's so petrified and horrified that he asks his wife to cover him from the boogeyman. And he's shivering. Hide me from him. So what happens? Now watch. Cover me, cover me. They covered him until his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, I fear that something may happen to me. Now other reports say, I think I'm demon possessed. He says Maginun. Mejnoon means possessed of a jinn. Now before you don't lose your place because I'm going to show you. In Islam, you don't just have angels. You also have a class of creatures called Jinn. You know what Jinn are? No. Genies. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:33:00 That's what a gin is, is a genie. So have you ever wondered, you and your bodyguard over here that Hansel... Are you making me look skinny, by the way? Yes. Because I gained 30 pounds. I'm trying to go on 97. Make sure my love handles. I'm going to get the gin to come and squeeze you.
Starting point is 00:33:13 All right, but coming back to the issue, have you ever wondered, you and your bodyguard over here, who guards that body of yours so that your wife knows that you're safe? Have you ever wondered why genies look like Arabs? Have you looked like Aladdin in the magic lamp? They look like Arabs, don't they? They do. Why?
Starting point is 00:33:33 Because it comes out of Islam in our Arabic religion. Wow. So what you think are mythical creatures, Islam says, no, they're real beings. Genies actually exist. Now, let me just, before you finish it, I'm going to explain the difference between angels, genies, and humans. Genies like humans can cohabit and have sex. In fact, genies can also have sex with humans and get them pregnant. Genies also are shape-shifters
Starting point is 00:33:57 Though they die They live much longer than humans And have abilities humans don't have Genies like humans have the power to choose a religion So in Islam There are good genies and bad genies The good genies are those who are Muslim The bad genies are the Christian genies
Starting point is 00:34:13 Or the Jewish genies, yeah, it's Islam There are genies who follow Judaism Now, Satan is a genie in Islam Chapter 18 verse 50 It says Satan whose name is Zubli he's a genie. So we are taught that Satan is an angel.
Starting point is 00:34:33 They are taught Satan is a genie. Interesting. Now you mentioned before we continue reading that these genies, they can have sex with humans. Yes, clavid. That sounds a lot similar to the Nephilim? The Nephlin.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yes, precisely. Do you have any thoughts about any correlation there? I don't know enough about spirit realm to deny that they can do it till this day what do I mean if you read Genesis 6 versus 1 of 4 if you go to the ancient reading the reading the oldest reading of who the sons of God were these were a gelic creatures that came down materialized a human form and got women pregnant today you have people who say that's not possible well I'd ask them how do you know that much about the
Starting point is 00:35:19 spirit realm have you been there have you talked to an angel to see what he can or cannot do because angels are created with potencies and abilities that we don't have because we lost them in the fall. When Adam and Eve sin, the glory that we had that made us greater than angelic creatures, we lost, but now it's restored in Jesus Christ our Lord. So we need to be humble, not presume we know more about the spirit realm than we do. A lot of people speak as if they've been there and had tea with Gabriel and came down and told us, no, Gabriel. So the oldest interpretation of Genesis 6 is that these were angels. So they could materialize bodies. And in those bodies,
Starting point is 00:35:56 bodies, they didn't become human, they didn't become flesh, incarnate is the term, but they could appear in a body so real, human body, you could touch the body, felt real, they could eat. And one proof of that is in Genesis 18. It says, Abraham looked up, saw three men, one of whom was God, three men. Some say all three were the Godhead. Nonetheless, we'll go with the popular understanding that one of the three, this is in Genesis 18, one of the three men, he saw three men walking. One was God, the other two were angels.
Starting point is 00:36:30 It says they sat down, they had feet that could be washed with water, and they ate food. God and the two angels. It says he cooked food for them. They ate it in front of him. They ate food sitting down, and he brought water for their feet to wash. Now, God hasn't always been flesh. So during this time, God wasn't flush.
Starting point is 00:36:52 He didn't become a man. If these are created spirit beings, they're not flesh by nature, but they could assume a human form, a human body, so real that you can touch it and it feels just as solid as your body. They can eat food, drink, and have their feet washed. Interesting. That's in Genesis 18. So we got to be careful and presuming to know more about the spirit realm than we do. Yeah. So when they tell me, Angel, and then they'll misquote Luke 20, 34, 36.
Starting point is 00:37:20 It says, well, it says in the 8. to come and they have resurrection those are the sons of the resurrection will neither marry nor be given in marriage they'll be like angels and they will not die well number one it says you'll be like angels in that you won't die angels are don't die unless you're Satan and then you're destroyed in eternal fire but secondly that's talking about when they're in their natural realm meaning be if they're in the spirit realm they don't have sex but that's the point of Genesis 6 they didn't do it in
Starting point is 00:37:53 Spirit realm. They came to the earthly realm to do it. So that in itself does not refute that interpretation. I say this because if you follow that the Nephilim are the hybrid offspring of these sons of God and daughters of men, not only were they there before the flood, they were there after the flood because it says it. They were there in days of Noah and afterwards, so Genesis 6'4. But then in Numbers 13, 31 to 33, it says, when the 12 spies went and scout the land to see how beautiful Canaan Jose came back,
Starting point is 00:38:30 oh, man, it's a land flowing with milk kind of it's beautiful. Ten of them said, yeah, but the natives there make us look like grasshoppers. And they are the Nephilim. It says number 1333, they're Nephilim. So if you believe the Nephilim are the hybrid of these angelic creatures, coerating with women, then there were Nephilim again in the time of Moses. So what that means is if you take that view, there's nothing in scripture that says angels cannot appear and impregnate people to this day. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Now to go into more speculation, again, I want to be careful. I don't want people think that we're conspiracy nuts. If we do take aliens as being actual entities that exist, well, what do they do? They say they also insininate people. And if we look at aliens and their profile, they resemble the serpentine creatures that the people. that the Bible mentions exist. For example, the seraphim, the word seraph means fiery serpent. So here are spirit creatures with wings that guard the throne,
Starting point is 00:39:27 but the name seraph means they're serpentine. They look like serpents. Saint himself is called Nakhash, serpent. He is the serpent. So that means if we follow the Bible, in the spirit realm, there are creatures that look like animals, look like insects.
Starting point is 00:39:44 For example, in Revelation 9, when the king who was given the key to the shaft of the abyss he opens up the abyss it says demons came out that looked like locusts
Starting point is 00:39:56 and what are our Lord saying Luke 10 if you go to Luke 10 and you read 19 he goes I give me an authority to trample over snakes and scorpions
Starting point is 00:40:04 what snakes what scorpions do you crush under your feet who are these snakes and scorpions yeah if you're talking about animals even non-Christians
Starting point is 00:40:13 can do that yeah what snake scorpions demons So here our Lord says, in the spirit realm, demons can look like serpents, scorpions, locusts. So these aliens, the grays, whatever they call them. If they're real, I don't know. I'm just saying if they're real, man, they sure look like serpentine figures.
Starting point is 00:40:34 And if they are doing what people, again, guys, don't say, the same is the nut. I'm just saying, if I don't know, I haven't met them and I don't plan on meeting them and having tea with them. And if they exist, I believe they're demons. They're not extraterrestrial. If it's true, then what the aliens are doing is what these beings did in the past, because they would be the same demons. They appeared as gods back then. They're appearing as aliens now. But anyway, we went on a tangent.
Starting point is 00:40:58 But that's what I want you to see. He thought he was demon possessed, possessed by a genie. Yeah, that's very odd. So he goes, cover me. I fear. Get to the part where it says, I fear. And it says, Kadezia replied, never, by a law, a law will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Keith and kin, help the poor.
Starting point is 00:41:16 and the destitute, serve your guests generously, and assist the deserving calamity afflicted ones. Gadija then accompanied him to her cousin. Wara bin Nufel. Now let's explain what happened here. She said, you're such a good man and a pious man. Allah would never allow you to be demon-possessed. She takes him to her first cousin,
Starting point is 00:41:35 Wraq bin Nauphal, and he's a Christian. And it says, all right, you'll read it. Christian, he used to read and write the gospel in Arabic and in other versions in Hebrew. a Christian. So she says, you're the religious man, you're the Christian, you know the gospel, what say you? So take it from there. So it says he who during the pre-Islamic period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wish to be right. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Kadeja said to
Starting point is 00:42:06 listen to the story of your nephew, oh my cousin. And then it says he asked, oh my nephew, what have you seen? Allah's messenger described whatever he had seen. what Raka said this is the same one who keeps the secrets whom Allah has had sent to Moses You see his response? If what you're telling me is true, then the same namus that came to Moses has come to you.
Starting point is 00:42:30 He confirmed Muhammad was a prophet like Moses. So if you believe this narration, a Christian monk or a Christian believer started Islam. If you believe that narration. Because Muhammad thought he was demon-possessed. Who convinced them that if what you tell me is true, you're not demon possessed. You're a prophet like Moses.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Who? A Christian, right? But then it says, Waraka died. But now watch Warra'i says to him now. We'll bring it up. You'll see. TV went out one second. I'm telling you, the genies are upset here, people.
Starting point is 00:43:02 As he gets it on the screen, what you're going to see, Waraqa says, if I am alive, I will help you against this people. And he goes, why? Will these people turn against me? He goes, yes, there hasn't been a person, a prophet who came with this message, who hadn't been persecuted by his people. It says, Waraqa died, and the revelation seized. And that caused Muhammad to get depressed. So it comes on, and so Muhammad, for those of you don't know what's going on,
Starting point is 00:43:32 we're having technical issues, so the Haddeed's not on the screen. So Muhammad became suicidal. Every time you'd go to try to commit suicide, it says the spirit would appear and encourage him, saying, no, I'm Gabriel, and you're the messenger of Allah. Islam started with Muhammad being emotionally, psychologically, spiritually violated, and having a Christian convince him that wasn't a demon, even though he initially thought it was a demon. And then every time he goes to end his life,
Starting point is 00:43:58 because he'd rather die than be demon-possessed, the spirit appears to him and says, no, I'm Gabriel, don't worry about it. And that began Muhammad's prophetic ambition. So it's right there. So here it says, Marika said, this is the same one who keeps the secrets, right? whom Allah had sent to Moses I wish I were young and could
Starting point is 00:44:17 live up to the time when your people would turn you out. Allah's message asked will they drive me out? Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said anyone who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility and if I should remain alive till the day when
Starting point is 00:44:33 you will be turned out then I would support you strongly but after a few days Waraqa died and the divine inspiration was also paused for a while. So other nations, Bukhadi will tell you, because of that he wanted to throw himself off a cliff. So this is the origin of Islam. The camera keeps, the TV keeps going off. I don't. It's okay. We can just... Yeah, it's all right. You've got the whole thing memorized.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Well, I mean, I just want, yeah, if you, I don't know if they'll see it on the screen, but I want people understand. We're not making anything up. They can go and fact-checked us with the internet. Yeah, so that's the story of Islam. That's helping it. So then he, he pauses for a little bit. He's trying to take his life. This angel comes up. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm Gabriel. Don't take your life, bro. But really, I mean, from the conversations I've gotten to have with Avery and seen the stuff online, when an angel interacts with anyone in Scripture. Precisely you.
Starting point is 00:45:22 Nothing like this is occurring at all. You'll find the repeated encouragement from God, the Spirit, or an angel. For example, if you just go to Luke, supposedly this was Gabriel. Well, just start reading from Luke chapter 1. Just read the chapter. Gabriel appears to Zachariah. Zachariah is afraid. Gabriel says, don't be afraid.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Gabriel then appears to the Holy Mother, the Blessed Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. He says, don't be afraid. Even when our Lord Jesus appears to John and glory, if you go to Revelation 1, 1718, he goes, when I saw him, I fell that his feet is dead. He fell that his feet is dead. He placed his right hand upon me. He said, do not be afraid. Do not be afraid.
Starting point is 00:46:02 I'm the first and last. I am he who lives, the living one. I was dead and behold, I live forevermore, and I hold the keys to death and 80s. So when a true God appears or the Holy Spirit appears or a righteous angel appears, they assuage your fears and doubts. They don't manhandle you. They don't squeeze you three times making you fear for your life and thinking that this entity wants to kill me.
Starting point is 00:46:28 That's demonic. Yeah, that is demonic. And to think, I mean, how long did that go on before he just kind of like submits to this demon? Well, it happened. The sources say he struggled with this over a period of time. So let's assume less than a year. He's struggling with this because when the revelation like you saw and the narration says it stopped, elsewhere in Bukhadi were told that every time the revelation stopped,
Starting point is 00:46:55 he would go to one of the mountain tops and want to throw himself up. So he did this repeatedly. So the spirit kept appearing repeatedly. And then finally, it sets in, and he... believes, all right, then I'm not demon possessed. I must be a prophet. So if these narrations are true, because again, you have those who think that these are all concocted traditions and the historical Muhammad is nothing like the later Muhammad. But my problem with that is that if you're making up a story about Muhammad, you would try to make him look much more sane and moral than
Starting point is 00:47:33 these sources do. These sources show that he himself thought he was deranged, demon-possess, that he was losing his mind, wanted to kill himself, and he was grossly immoral. Well, if you're making up a story about a hero, the founder of religion, you would try to make him look like a Superman and sugarcoat all of his mistakes. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:55 So I don't know why someone would make up these details unless these are hostile sources that the Muslims were stupid enough to then accept as being actually authentic narrations. Yeah. So I believe there's some kernel of truth that the historical Muhammad thought he was demon possessed. Now, he was right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Yeah. So if we compare it with the biblical paradigm, no one experienced what he experienced. Absolutely. Unless they were demonized. But go ahead. Absolutely. So then he forms the Quran over time. Now, 23 years, they say.
Starting point is 00:48:27 I've heard there's multiple different versions of this Quran. Yeah. What can you, in that? The Ghanat and the Ahroof. Yep. initially according these are again
Starting point is 00:48:39 the traditions authentic traditions of Islam Sal Bukhari you can go to volume 6 number 509 510 we're told that
Starting point is 00:48:49 when Muhammad's companions wrote down what they learned directly from Muhammad and when it was compiled these are people who learned from Muhammad
Starting point is 00:48:58 they wrote down Qurans that were contradicting one another so either Muhammad did a bad job or he he chose a bunch of misfits. So, traditions claim that to account for these differences, for example, Umar and Hisham, these were two Muslims, when they went to pray, Hisham was praying.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Now, when Muslims pray, they'll usually recite portions of the crown. He was reciting chapter 25 of the crown, Sauri al-Firqan. The way he recited it, Umar heard it and was living and angry because he thought he was misquoting it. But he contained himself until he finished the prayer. He goes then after the prayer, he then finally grabbed them by his robe, you know, throttle by the robe, and dragged him in anger.
Starting point is 00:49:46 So went to Muhammad, and Mohammed's like, what's going on? He goes, this man recited chapter 25 of the Quran differently from the way you taught it to me. So the Muhammad says to Hashamara, I go to recite. He goes, yeah, I taught you that. Omar is shocked. He goes, now you recite. He goes, yeah, I taught you.
Starting point is 00:50:02 that too. So they're both shocked. What do you mean? Now they both spoke the same dialect. They both were from the same tribe, Grishi tribe. So they were not different dialects. It was different wording. So Omar was shocked. What do you mean? The way you taught it to me doesn't sound like the way you taught it to him. And you're saying, we're both right and you taught us both forms. He goes, yeah, because Gabriel revealed the crown to me in seven, and the word is ahruv. letters. To this day, Muslim scholars
Starting point is 00:50:36 don't know what he meant by that. There's over 35 explanations of what are the seven Ahroof. Nobody knows. But we know
Starting point is 00:50:46 they're not just dialectal differences and the differences were so vast that his companions accused the others of corrupting the Quran
Starting point is 00:50:56 and almost came to blows. So this is Islam. That's their sources. Now it gets a little worse. During the caliphate of Othman Ibn Afan Around 650 AD He purges the crown
Starting point is 00:51:09 Why? Because according to Sal Bukhari Volume 6 and the old numbering is 510 You guys can find on sunaid.com It says that when the Muslims Went Against Azerbaijan and Armenia An attack
Starting point is 00:51:23 There were Muslims from Syria and Muslims From Iraq part of the army They almost came to blows and killed each other The general name Hudaifa sends word to Omar He says, look, Omar, do something about the book of Allah lest the Muslims go astray like the Jews
Starting point is 00:51:41 and Christians are with their book. Why? Because the Syrians are reciting verse of the crown that the Iraqis have never heard. So they're accusing them of corrupting the crown. The Iraqis are reciting verse to the crown that the Syrians haven't heard.
Starting point is 00:51:56 So they're accusing them of corrupting the crown and they almost came to blows. Wow. That's Sal Bukhari, Volume 6, number 5. So what did Uthman do? He commissioned a man Namedem Zaid. I don't want to belabor the point but I want people understand.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Zaid bin Thabit converted to Islam 13 years later after Muhammad went to Medina. He's not one of the original Muslims. He's called an Ansar, one of the helpers. Right? The ones who were originally with Muhammad, they're called
Starting point is 00:52:27 the muhajar. Mujarin, muajirun, meaning those who migrated. When Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, came into power. Now look how bad it gets. This is in Sal Bukhari, volume 6, number 509. I know these details are going to put you to sleep, so you know, you need beauty, sleep.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Don't worry, you just sleep? Okay. I know, there's more, but you ask me. Yeah. Abu Bakr, the Caliph, the first Caliph, was involved in what's called apostasy wars. Because when Muhammad died, a lot of Arabs
Starting point is 00:52:58 apostatized. They left Islam, left the religion, telling you they didn't convert out of pure motives. They convert out of compulsion. And some refused to give what they call Zakat, alms giving. So Abu Bakr went to attack them, to rein them in, and bring them back.
Starting point is 00:53:14 Well, during one of these wars, the battle of Yamama, Umar, who was the second ker-in. Now, I don't want to confuse you. Abu Bakr is first caliph. Umar is the general of the army. Abu Bakr dies, Umar becomes the second caliph. Well, during Abu Bakr, as he is the caliph, Umar is the general of the army.
Starting point is 00:53:32 and a lot of Memorize of the Crown were being killed. He panicked because they're the ones who memorize the Cran. If they die, those parts of the Quran they memorized went with them. So he sent word to Abu Bakr, do something. Compile the Quran between two covers because the loss of the Memorize of the Quran has been great this day. Compile it before we lose the Quran.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Whoa. This is Sal Bukhari, Volume 6, number 509. Abu Bakr says, you want me to do something that Allah's messenger did not do. Now you understand what that means? I'll repeat. He's telling to Abu Bakr compile the Quran between two covers because
Starting point is 00:54:11 the memorize of the Quran a lot of them have been killed and the Quran they memorized went with them. Do something less we lose more of them we lose the Quran. Abou Bakr says you want me to do something that Allah's messenger did not do? So what did Muhammad not do?
Starting point is 00:54:27 Bind the Quran into a book. That means as long as Muhammad is alive, the Quran was never compiled completely between two covers. It was scattered. Why? Just because he was thorough? No, because as long as he's alive, there would be more revelation. So the assumption, as long as he's alive, there's going to be more revelation. So it was scattered. So then Abu Bakr was convinced, he told Zayyid to go and find the Quran, search for it. Now this is another lie of the Muslims. The goal of the crown was completely memorized, completely written down during Muhammad's lifetime. If so, why did he have to go and look for it?
Starting point is 00:55:06 He went among the people, and the criterion was, you have to have at least two individuals confirming that this is Quran. So it says he went until he found all of the Quran that he could, except the last two verses of the Quran, 9-129. He only found it with one man, Chouzaima. Huseema, only one man had it. Here's the problem. The criterion was you have to have two witnesses
Starting point is 00:55:34 before you can add something. Huseema was the only one that had these verses. He goes, when I compiled it, I missed something, the last two verses of the Kron. So why didn't he include those last two verses if there was only one witness? You're supposed to have two witnesses, right?
Starting point is 00:55:49 Right. But on the basis of one witness, he included the last two verses. Why? He just compromised for it. because they made up another tradition where Muhammad says, this man's witness is equal to two. What?
Starting point is 00:56:01 Yeah, that's in the tradition. That's so, I don't know. When you look into the history, and I think, and I think if I'm being completely honest, one of the intimidations to me of Islam is not the content of Islam. When I'm thinking about, oh, I'm going to talk to a Muslim, the thing that kind of intimidates me is, at least the videos you see online,
Starting point is 00:56:24 they appear strong. They appear firm. They appear like, oh, oh, like I know better than you do. And it's almost like the way that the information is delivered. It's like they delivered in a way where you're not going to be able to respond to this. So how are you, what kind of, I don't know, I guess for me practically, not even just for me, but for other people that are listening, kind of like, how do we, when we're talking to Muslims, not get intimidated by their rhetoric?
Starting point is 00:56:54 2 Timothy 1 7 says the Lord did not give you a spirit of timidity but a boldness right yeah and sound mind in Romans 815 you haven't been handed over spirit spirit of fear fear is a weapon of Satan what happens when you get bullied and you don't stand up to the bully he's bullying you right yeah what happens when he stand up to the bully then you expose yellow belly that's got a yellow streak, right? Yeah. Muslims, because their religion starts from saying, Saint is a narcissist, Mahmah's a narcissist. Saint loves control, Muhammad loves control. So what do narcissistic bullies do? They try to intimidate you, bully you to control you. When you stand up to them, then you expose their cowardice. Then their
Starting point is 00:57:41 victim mentality comes to the forefront. The problem with Christians in the West, I don't know why or how this started. Christians in West equate being Christian with being soft and effeminate. This is what I call the feminization of Christian men. I'm not trying to get into the red pill. I'm not Andrew Tate. That's extreme. That's satanic.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Nonetheless, there are some truths in all lies. If you read the Bible carefully and look at early church history, the prophets and the apostles were not sissies. They were bold lines, and they would put people in their place. they'd even insult people and even curse people who deserved it. It's all throughout scripture. But for some reason, something happened in Christian history where we did a 180, where now if you're bold or rude or in someone's face, you're now considered un-Christlike.
Starting point is 00:58:39 Have you read how Jesus talked to the Pharisees and the scribes and the money changers? He called them fools. And if you look at the words idiot, stupid, he called them adulterers. And through the prophets, he said, very, very. graphic things about them. Right? So, but again, nonetheless. So I, my style, I'm very rude. I'm in your face, because I'm a sad. Sadly, I am extreme at times because I'm a sinner. But I balance out the other side that's too weak and soft and timid. We need the balance of boldness, biblical masculinity for men, and not be intimidated by bullying tactics, because you have the truth, they don't.
Starting point is 00:59:21 So what they lack in substance, they make up with barking. And you've got to see through that. Yeah, question, question then on top of that. I'm thinking of First Peter 315, right? It says, you know, in your heart to honor Christ, your Lord is holy. And always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks for the hope inside of you. But notice the context. Whoever is asking you, give an apologetic, do so with gentleness reverence.
Starting point is 00:59:48 To whom, to those who ask you? what if they're not asking because they want to know what if they're asking to bully you intimidate you to blaspheme the same Peter then in 2 Peter 2 says to those people who are perverts and perverting gospel he calls them wild beasts good for nothing
Starting point is 01:00:04 but destruction and he calls them dogs and pigs who return to their vomit that same Peter in 2nd Peter 2 so there is a balance I know at 1st Peter 3 but what's the context whoever asks you well what if they're not asking you to learn
Starting point is 01:00:19 What if they're trying to bully you, intimidate you? What if they're trying to censor you? What if they're trying to mock you? Then read how they treated such people, like in Acts 13, 6 to 12, where there was a false prophet Elimus bar Jesus who opposed Paul's preaching in order to hinder him because he's a sorcerer. Paul calls him, son of the devil,
Starting point is 01:00:41 enemy of all righteousness, and curse them with blindness. You call them you son of the devil. You enemy of all that is righteous. does that sound like he was being gentle? No, no, that does not sound like that. I guess one of the things that I... Well, first of all, let me say this. I'm right there with you on this side of like...
Starting point is 01:00:59 Too much. It's too much. You do have a balance. I'm right there with you. I think the thing that, like, is hard for me sometimes, particularly with like Islam, is that issue you run into. A lot of them, they don't want to learn.
Starting point is 01:01:12 They want to get a gotcha on you. Well, that's what I'm... Is it throwing pearls onto swine? Yeah, it's... So then here's my follow-up question to that. Is there, and this is all me just genuinely asking, trying to understand, is there a time and place to then throw pearls onto Swan? No, you never have a time in place to throw.
Starting point is 01:01:29 What you do is what Paul did. When he saw Elimus wasn't interested, what did he do? He cursed them and ridiculed them. That's their treatment. You son of the devil. Enemy of all that is righteousness. You will not stop perverting the ways of the Lord? He didn't even entertain him to talk.
Starting point is 01:01:44 He cursed him. When I say curse, not like curse like F word. No, no, that's not what I'm talking about. He rebuked him and invoke God's judgment on it. That's what I mean by curse. Yeah, yeah. Not like, hey, you're your mother. You know, I'm not saying that.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Right, right. So when you see those people, you are to rebuke them, chasing them, block them, and remove them. To engage them is to do what Jesus says, don't do, because they're not there to listen. They're there to clickbait. They're there for clips. They're there for numbers and money.
Starting point is 01:02:19 And so you are now being used by their father, the devil, to allow them to blasphemy the Lord, mock the Lord, attack the Bible, ridicule Christians, and cause weak Christians lose their faith. So you're complicit. Very interesting. Wow. You're complicit. So then what is the, I guess, like, yeah, that's very fascinating.
Starting point is 01:02:42 So then is there, does the Bible then say there is a purpose for it? exposing then? Does the Bible talk? Yeah, it says. Ephesians 511, expose the deeds of darkness. But exposing what they do in their tactics is one thing.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Engaging them in just, you know, a shouting match, or engaging them when you know they're not listening and they're going to talk over you, then what's the purpose in that? There is no purpose. In fact, do you know what Titus 3, 10, 11th? What is it say?
Starting point is 01:03:10 After the first or second warning, avoid a heretic, a contentious person. after how many warnings? Two. So why do we keep doing it? That's Titus 3, 10, to 11. Do you have your Bible?
Starting point is 01:03:23 Look at it. I don't know if you have it. I've got it outside of my backpack. Oh, well, anyway, if I want to put it on screen, brother, Biblegateway.com, homie. Great website. Yep, it is. I use that. Titus 3, 10 to 11.
Starting point is 01:03:38 Titus 3, 10 to 11. Warn a divisive person once and then warn them a second time after that having nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are worn. and sinful, they are self-conduiting them. So why do you keep engaging them? Totally understand. I guess another follow-up question then is the language, the language that you've described in the Bible, Paul using you these people. I give you a very clean example. If I show you how graphic it, it gets. Well, even, well, I even know, like, even the early church fathers, like, they would address heretics, like, very graphically and very intensely. I'm right there with you.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Something that I'm trying to understand, I guess, is, You have the Bible who would describe as human beings as a whole, being of a different moral value because they're made in the image of God. The same Jesus who said their image of God, who called them dogs and pigs? Well, that's what I was going to ask you. That's my question is, so then is calling someone a dog or a pig or... Okay, well, you answer the question. Jesus who created them in his image, he says they're dogs and pigs. So answer that.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Matthew 7.6. I don't know. That's fascinating to me. Matthew 7, 7.6, bring it up for my friend here. So you can't take scripture because a person can corrupt themselves to such an extent. They now efface that image of God within them and they're worse than beast than animals. What did Jesus say not to do? Do not give dogs what is sacred. Do not throw your purse.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Who are the dogs that he's talking about? The Pharisees, right? But what are they? What are their nature? They're people. Humans? Yeah, human. You just said they're creating the image of God.
Starting point is 01:05:15 So Jesus created, called his image bearers dogs and pigs? I guess so. Well, you're guessing it's right there, brother. I'm just so, I'm saying that's what's confusing to me is because I'm like, confusing to you, man, the Lord's telling you. Well, I'm, I know, some image bears of mine, they're worse than animals. They've corrupted themselves to such an extent. Gotcha.
Starting point is 01:05:35 They are now dogs and sons of Satan. Gotcha. Reprobation. It's not, it's that they have corrupted themselves to such a state. I see. Okay. All right. In fact, here, if you open up the screen, my brother.
Starting point is 01:05:45 from a different mother, which your screen keeps going off. Rebuked that demon by the power of Jesus Christ. Okay, this is language throughout scripture. It's not only Jesus saying they're dogs and pigs. So when it comes up, you'll see. Peter, what did I just say? What did he say about those who heard the gospel of truth, walked in the gospel of truth, but then fell away and perverted for heresy?
Starting point is 01:06:10 You're going to see what he calls them. So now here it says, do not give. Do not give dogs what a sacred. And that's NIV. it's a little more of a paraphrase. Do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet and turn and tear you to pieces.
Starting point is 01:06:23 Now, open up 2 Peter chapter 2. Second Peter chapter just right here. You're going to see those who came to faith, who were saved, who were bought by the Lord, who acknowledged the Lord, but then they fill away to introduce damnable heresies or licentiousness, meaning using the race of God as an excuse to live immorally. Well, look how Peter describes them at this,
Starting point is 01:06:45 keeps shutting off, then we're not going to look at Second Peter two. It doesn't it say their faith is counted as unrighteousness? Is that, is that... No, Second Peter two is saying, it's on about those who came to knowledge of truth. You may need your Bible because their screen does keep shutting down. Here, I don't know what you want to say. I'll grab my mind.
Starting point is 01:07:02 Yeah, brothers. Brothers, you want us to pay you for a better screen? Stuck for the law. Oh, is about a look, brother. It's a recording. You see? This is what happens live. This television set sucks.
Starting point is 01:07:13 Keep shutting down. What did you do Muslims do? Are you a plant? Did they send you here? You jihadi you? Alright, yeah, just get your Bible brother because it's not gonna work Yeah Jihad brother make sure you leave this interview raw and I edit it Good man jihad they sent this guy Fis Abil Allah his name is abraham
Starting point is 01:07:40 Abdul al-Azwat okay okay you said second peter two Start in verse one. Verse one, what do they do? But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you who will be secretly bringing in destructive heresies. False teachers, right? Yep.
Starting point is 01:07:57 And what are they going to introduce? Heresies. Heresies. Okay, so denying even the very Lord that bought them? Right? Okay, now what does he say they're good for, verse 12? It says in verse 12, but these, like, irrational animals, creatures of insane.
Starting point is 01:08:14 They're worse than Even tame dogs. They're like rabid dogs. Yeah. Scavengers that... Blaspheming about matters of which they're ignorant will also be destroying in their destruction. Suffering wrong as the rage for the wrongdoing.
Starting point is 01:08:29 So you see Second Peter 212. One more time read that again slowly. See? But these like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. Oh, so he says they should be destroyed. Peter says that about image bearers of God?
Starting point is 01:08:43 Yeah, that's very... very fascinating. Now read 20 to 22. I love to you said to read 20 to 22. For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of the righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the Holy Commandment delivered to them, what the true Proverbs says has happened to them. The dog returns to its own vomit. So they're nothing but rabied dogs who eat their own vomit. And then what else are they? It says,
Starting point is 01:09:23 and the sow after washing herself returns to wallow. They're dirty pigs. Peter. Interesting. So I guess my my final question on that subject is, how do you determine what language to use? Yeah. Well, I don't do it perfectly. So I'm not infallible. I'm not inspired. So there are times I acknowledge I cross the line. Do I want to? No.
Starting point is 01:09:49 But myself, because I'm a sinner, imperfect, I have my own ticks, meaning there are certain things that trigger me because I'm weak. I know when someone deserves to be rebuked because they don't come to ask to learn. They're coming to attack and mock. That's, you know, by the nature of the question. because either they will not answer the question or when you go to answer the question, they're already cutting you off. That means right there,
Starting point is 01:10:16 they're there to try to prove your wrong. And I understand because I do that to Muslims. I don't ask to learn. I ask to show them why Islam is false. But because I already know the argument and I'm trying to answer when they cut me off, then they show that they're not there to listen. So I'll either block them, get rid of them.
Starting point is 01:10:34 But if they get nasty, then Proverbs 20 is here. If you don't know how to interpret Scripture line of Scripture, you're going to create contradictions when there are none. Because in Proverbs 26, 4 and 5, those two verses contradict each other. Right. They contradicts each other. Proverbs 26, 4 to 5. Why?
Starting point is 01:10:50 Because if you go to Proverbs 26, verse 4 and 5, 1st 4 says, don't answer a fool according to his folly unless you become like him. It's Proverbs 26, 4. Yep. Do not answer a fool according to his folly, according to his stupidity, foolishness. Because then you'll be like him, right? That's verse 4. Look at it.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Says that, right? Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. But verse five contradicts that says, answer a fool according to his folly. Lest he be wise in his own eyes. So that's a contradiction. No, it isn't. Because the Bible tells you it's not black and white. There are times in which you ignore an idiot, times in which you expose an idiot to show how stupid he is.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Why? So people can see he's stupid because he may influence people who think he's smart, but he's stupid and he's dangerous. So then you got to expose him for the sake of the flock. So that comes with discernment. Yeah. But none of us have perfect discernment. And that's why I've offended people.
Starting point is 01:11:50 But if you actually look at it, it's ironic, the language I use is all in scripture. People haven't watched my life. We say, you don't know what I'm talking about when I say whore. That's Revelation 17, the whore of Babylon. And all her daughters are whores. It's the word whore. Or, for example, dog, or pig, or stupid. That's Matthew 2317.
Starting point is 01:12:11 Jesus called them stupid. If you look at the word fool, I mean stupid. So it's ironic. I use biblical language. They don't know it because of this feminization of Christian men. And I said, well, hold on. I was just reading the Bible. I just read Matthew 2317.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Yeah, but you're not Jesus, but you're telling me imitate Jesus, right? Oh, only imitate Jesus in the places you like. I see. So, for example, bastard. Hebrews 12.8. it says, if God doesn't discipline you, and the word is, then you're a bastard. Hebrews 12th. It's there in the Bible, man.
Starting point is 01:12:44 Yeah. And if you look at the Hebrew and Greek idioms, it's much more graphic than in English. English, they soften it down. Don't believe me, just look at any comment. And I'm not here talking about justify. I'm just saying to answer your question. For example, would you be shocked if a man of God said, I'm going to take the shit of the dog and smear it on your face?
Starting point is 01:13:03 I think at initial hand, yeah. You would, right? You have an issue with God telling Malachi, Malachi 2.3. He says, go tell the priest. I'm going to take the of their animals and smear the shit on their faces. It's literally the Hebrew, Malachi 2.3. That's very interesting. So you have a problem with Malachi.
Starting point is 01:13:17 So why don't you get out of your Bible? Wow, that's interesting. Malachi 2.3, because the priests were offering, Malachi is right before Matthew. Yeah. The priests were offering defective sacrifices of defective animals, and they knew better. You know what he said? I'm going to take the shit. Go read the Hebrew word.
Starting point is 01:13:34 It's what's in their intestine. the dung, the crap, and I'm going to smear the crap on your faces. Behold, I will rebuke your offspring and spread dung on your faces. What is dung, brother? The dung off your offspring. What is that? What is that? Oh, it's poop.
Starting point is 01:13:48 So you just told me you had a problem with your Bible. That's so fascinating. I guess you're right. I guess you never really hear a lot about that language. You all hear it. You brought up that, that quote-unquote contradiction. We obviously know it's not a contradiction to the context of the scriptures. There was one I heard the other day
Starting point is 01:14:07 just briefly watching a Muslim apologists online saying, oh, look at this contradiction in the Bible. So I'm going to butcher it, but he said that this king reigned at this time. Hasiah, 22, 42? Yeah, yeah, can you explain that? Yeah, transcriptional error. But, brother, these are what I call. And there's an answer, for example.
Starting point is 01:14:27 Even in my blog, I have an answer, an answering Islam blog. That's what they call a transcription error because there are certain manuscripts. And by the way, for those who don't know what's Ta-Nabot, if you read in the book of Kings, and you'll compare in Chronicles, it says, Ahaziah was 20-20 reign? Another place says 42.
Starting point is 01:14:43 That's very simple to answer. There are manuscripts that have the correct number in both, 22. There are some manuscripts that have 42 at discrepancy. But that's common sense. Why? Because in Hebrew, letters represent numbers. They don't have numbers.
Starting point is 01:15:03 So a letter represents a number. So if you have alif, that's one. All this tells us is that there are certain scribes that must have misread a letter thinking that it wasn't two, it was four, and because of that, brought in the wrong number. The number would be 22, right? Why? Because the parallel has 22.
Starting point is 01:15:24 The other has some manuscripts that say 42, 22, so there's a discrepancy. Some ancient versions read correctly 22. So then that means, if we're being honest, this is simply what we call a copious mistake, and that happens. When a Muslim nitpicks on this and try and answer them, see, this again shows people don't know how to evangelize Muslims. Why? A Muslim's not asking because he wants to know the answer.
Starting point is 01:15:48 Because even if you give him a very solid answer that's based on facts, unless he believes every copyist that copied, even the Quran, let alone the Bible, must have been inspired by God to make sure they produce flawless copies, which they know is not the case, because the extent manuscripts of the crown have thousands of variants, which we never got to. We didn't finish. Then this is an argument not because he wants to know the answer, because he knows humans will make mistakes in the transmission when they're copying from one, let's say, text to another,
Starting point is 01:16:27 prior to the printing press. This is a fact. But then how do we know the Bible's preserved? The way the Bible is preserved is that the Lord move the people to make mass copies in the thousands of these individual books.
Starting point is 01:16:41 That's how we know that there is a discrepancy, because there's some copies that will have 22-42, but the parallel has 22. So now when we assess it, all right, that means these individuals there made a mistake. They misread the Hebrew. So then we know what the original is. It's 22.
Starting point is 01:16:57 But we wouldn't know this if we didn't have a plethora of manuscripts where no one individual, no one person, had control of all the manuscripts to then edit them and corrupt them the way he wanted, then send them to the masses. That never happened. So the Bible from its inception was being mass copied and spread all the world. That's how God preserved all the original wording of the original autographs in the extent manuscripts because your copy, let's say, in California. And California is huge. Let's say Turlock.
Starting point is 01:17:29 copy of John. John 118 says, only begone son. But then there's another copy in Turlock that says only begone God. Then there's a copy in L.A. It says, so because the copies are spread all over, no one person can collect them and corrupt them. So that means even if you corrupted your manuscript, whether intentionally or not, you got a thousand other copies of that same chapter
Starting point is 01:17:53 that read differently so we can spot the differences and know what the original is. Yeah. This is just a fact. Yeah. It's not just transmission of the Bible. Any book prior to the printing press that has been hand copied has variant readings. The more copies, the more variance.
Starting point is 01:18:16 The less copies, the less variance. What does that mean? So if I only have five copies of a particular book, because they're only five, they'll have fewer variants among them. But what if I have a thousand copies of that one book? How many more variance do you think will have? Way more. Why? Because the more copies, the more differences, because you have more copyists, and copies
Starting point is 01:18:40 don't copy the same way. Yeah. So common sense tells you, if I have a thousand copies of a particular book, then I'm going to have a lot more variance because no two copyists among the thousand copy the same way. Yeah. But if I have fewer copies, then the variants are not as much because I don't have as many. That's true of any book, not just the Bible. Ask any textual critic of any work of antiquity, even of medieval period.
Starting point is 01:19:12 If you have more than one copy of a book, is there any book out there where if it has more than one copy that has no variance, they'll say no, they all have variants. And some of the copies are fragmentary. So we don't even. Yeah. This is just the fact. So when a Muslim brings it up, he's not interested in the answer. He wants to cause you to lose faith. So then why engage them?
Starting point is 01:19:33 Because when you answer one contradiction, he's going to bring another. And he's going to bring another. He's not interested. So what I do is there's two ways to cure, cure something. You either cure the symptoms, but the problem doesn't go away, right? Right. Or you attack the problem, destroy the problem, and the symptoms disappear. Right.
Starting point is 01:19:53 So what you're addressing is. symptoms and you're going to keep addressing it. I go to the root cause and I destroy the root. I destroy the problem. Erasing all the symptoms will go away. So then what do I tell the Muslim when they bring up the contradictions? I said, well if you're right, the Bible's contradictory, then I can never be a Muslim and you prove Muhammad is a liar. What do you mean? Because you're a Muslim, you believe Muhammad. You believe what Muhammad said. Muhammad confirmed the books of the Jews and Christians in the time that he supposedly preached Islam. He confirmed those books are the uncorrupt preserved words of God.
Starting point is 01:20:30 But you're telling me they're not because they have contradictions. That means you know more than Allah. You know more than your God. Because your God had Muhammad say, those books and the possession of Jews and Christians confirm they are true. They're from God. They're authoritative. They're preserved.
Starting point is 01:20:45 And you need to use them to judge the truth of the Quran. But you're telling me Allah made a mistake. Or Muhammad didn't know what he's talking about. so I can never become a Muslim. Whoa. And what you're referring to is it saying the Torah and the Ingeal? This is what we call the Islamic dilemma. Oh, this Islamic dilemma has been the nightmare of Muslims.
Starting point is 01:21:03 In fact, the last couple of months, Avery debated a Muslim on the Islamic dilemma, schooled them, slaughtered them. Others have two. You know, you have David Wood and others. This is what we call the Islamic dilemma. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. I'll give you an example of how the Islamic dilemma works as a Christian. You believe in the New Testament from cover to cover, right? Yep.
Starting point is 01:21:26 As a Christian, can you say the Old Testament is full of lies and immorality and genocide? Well, you can because it's in there, like it described. So if you can, that means Jesus' view of the Old Testament is wrong. He was immoral. So Jesus confirmed it. So then you're not a Christian. Jesus confirmed the Old Testament. Yeah, he did. So you just said he confirmed immorality and genocide. Well, that's different.
Starting point is 01:21:49 because he's like he's like he's describing what's going on no he doesn't he says he comes to fulfill the law and the prophets yes and that that stuff did occur right so it did occur but when god tells the is right swipe out the canaanites you're saying they made it up and jesus is just going with it no i don't say i don't think they made it up so then when god says wipe out the canaanites as a christian what's your position that god was being a just god and we just have to trust that he was yeah but no i'm saying it's genocide i'm saying it's evil so i'm sorry you're going to respond to me? I actually don't know how I would respond. Exactly. So you've got to learn the basics of your faith more than interested in Islam. See why I said when I began this, what was
Starting point is 01:22:29 my focus? To equip believers. Not so much refuting Islam. So what I refute Islam? How does that then answer your objections and doubts about what you find in the Bible? Right. Okay. Now, my point in bringing this up is I'm stuck with the Old Testament. Why? Because Jesus told me I'm stuck with the Old Testament. Yeah. I cannot be a faithful Christian, faithful to Christ and call that genocide. Because I'm saying that Jesus is endorsing genocide. Right. And that means these are moral monsters? Is that what I want to say?
Starting point is 01:23:00 I can't say that. Yeah, yeah. All right. So to ask the question again, in light of Jesus confirming the Old Testament, do you have the option of questioning its morality and condemning it and rejecting it? No. Why not? Because you're just trusting that what God did was righteous, true, and just. Why do I have to believe this Old Testament's from God?
Starting point is 01:23:23 Because Jesus said he came not to abolish the law to fulfill. That's the Christian dilemma. I cannot reject the Old Testament because Jesus forced me to accept it. That's the Christian dilemma. So you and I are stuck now with the Old Testament, scratching our head. How do we make sense that? And by the way, glory to Jesus Christ, God rewards faith. If you take a step of faith, say, look, God, I'm going to take you at your word.
Starting point is 01:23:44 This is your book. You are perfectly and unjust and merciful, compassion, loving. I don't know how to figure this out. I don't know how to make sense out of it, but I trust you and I know there's a reason. Then he'll give you the answer. Then it's going to make sense. I mean, obviously, it's not time to do it.
Starting point is 01:23:59 There are answers. And he's, oh, okay. Wow, okay, so I misunderstood this. Wow, it shows how beautiful God is. Wow, it shows his heart. My point was, this is a Christian dilemma. I'm stuck. I got to believe the Old Testament.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Now, if Jesus never bound me the Old Testament, I would never read it or pick it up a day in my life. I wouldn't waste my time with it. But the point is, you cannot reject the Old Testament and be a faithful Christian following the New Testament. This is the Islamic dilemma. What Jesus did for you and me bound us to the Old Testament, Muhammad did to the Muslims.
Starting point is 01:24:34 He bound them to the Bible. That's the Islamic dilemma. Learn it. Muhammad said, Jews and Christians, here's the proof that I'm a prophet. I confirm what you have. to be from God, and you use them to judge that this Quran is from God. So when a Muslim tells me the Bible is corrupt, he's saying the crown is lying.
Starting point is 01:24:54 The crown told me it can't be corrupt, because the Bible will be the criterion for the Jews and Christians to determine the truth of the Quran. So if you tell me it's corrupt, but the crown tells me one of the proofs that it's from God is that it agrees with my scriptures, these are the words of God, preserve, authoritative, in the sense that I am to judge by them. to determine the truth of Muhammad, then either Muhammad is right and you're wrong, the Bible's not corrupt, or if he's wrong and you're right, then not only are you telling me not to be a Christian, you're telling me don't even become a Muslim because he believes in my Bible, which you reject.
Starting point is 01:25:32 So any time you bring up a contradiction, I'm going to say, wait, was Muhammad wrong? Why? You just told me these books that Muhammad confirmed, because these are the only books they had with the variant readings, 22 and 42. They had it. Yeah. Some copies read 22, 42. Did Muhammad not know about these contradictions? If you say yes, he still confirmed them, then you're in trouble, baby. But if you're telling me, he didn't know, you're in trouble, baby.
Starting point is 01:26:01 Yeah. Either way, you're in trouble. Yeah. See, this is how you do it. So what did I do? I didn't deal with the symptom. Because then I got to deal with this symptom, that symptom. I went to the root and I destroyed it.
Starting point is 01:26:11 Nuked it. That's how you're supposed to do it. And then with the Engeal, that's just the gospel, right? Yeah, NGEL would be the gospel given to Jesus, but the Quran assumes that it exists at a time, Muhammad, because it says to judge by it, chapter 5, verse 47, and it says the gospel that's with them, 7-157. And even quotes the parable of Mark, Mark 4, 27, 28,
Starting point is 01:26:34 in chapter 48-29 of the Quran, and calls that the gospel. There's a parable only found in Mark, uttered by our Lord, Mark 4, 28, 29, that is quoted in the Cron, 4829, saying, and in the gospel, this is their likeness. So identifies this parable as part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Mark 4, 27, 28, you'll see it. But if you want to read 26 to 29 for the context.
Starting point is 01:26:58 I'll read it, Mark 26 through 29. The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground. He sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and grows. He knows not how. The earth produces by itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. But when the grain is ripe at once, he puts in the sick. cool because the harvest has come. Okay, so you see that parable, it's only found in Mark.
Starting point is 01:27:20 Now, if he opens up the Cron, 4829, if he goes to the Cron browser, finds Cron browser, whatever you can find online because there's not anyone, that's Suna, not Suna. Find a Cron browser. If you go Google, put Crown Browser. Yeah, open up whatever you can find. It's right there.
Starting point is 01:27:36 I think it came up the first one. Go to 48, find Chapter 48 of the Cron. Oh, you found it already. Man, that was fast. Shoot. go to 29. That was pretty good, man. You impressed me. All the way to 29. Now, you remember what you just read? Yep. All right. So when he gets to 29, read for me 28. Go down. Right there, read it for me.
Starting point is 01:27:57 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm with the disbelievers and compassionate with one another. You see them bowing and prostrating in prayer, seeking Allah's bounty and pleasure. The sign of brightness can be seen on their faces from the trace of prostrating in prayer. This is their description in the Torah. parable in the Gospels is that of a seed that sprouts its tiny branches, making it strong. Did you not just read that in Mark 4, 27, 28? Yeah, we did just read. You just read that in Mark 42728, right?
Starting point is 01:28:24 It sounds a little different. It's in a translation issue. Brother, you mind me hanging myself. Okay, I'll read it again, brother. They're a parable in the gospel is that of a seed that sprouts the tiny branches, making it strong. Then it becomes thick, standing firmly on its stem to the delight, the planters. We read Mark 427, 28. One more time.
Starting point is 01:28:40 He says, you're going over a translation that you think it reads. differently. Read Mark 4, 27, 28. He sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and grows. He knows not how. The earth produces by itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. And their parable in the gospel is that of a seed that sprouts and tiny branch. Now, the word tiny, forget about a branch. It's making
Starting point is 01:29:00 a song. Then it comes to extending firmly on its stem to the light of the planters. I know you're like, man, but it's got to be word for word. Brother, this is Arabic. That's Greek. Yep. The point is, this gospel contains this parable, but it's quoting it in Arabic. You have it in Greek. And on top of it, you have an English translation that's more of a paraphrase than it's literal. If I ask you,
Starting point is 01:29:22 do you have anything that sounds like that in the gospel? What would you tell me? I would say yes. The only place is Mark 427-28. Now I see it has a number there right after the planners. Can you click on it? See what's the planners? There's a number four? Yeah, right there. All right. Let's see if I have a footnote. It tells you, Mark, Mark 4, 26, 28 at the bottom, at the end. Yeah. Now, this Muslim translation said what? In Matthew 13, 3.9, Jesus spoke many things on parables, saying,
Starting point is 01:29:50 behold, the sower went out to sow. Now, a seed fell on the ground, good soil, yielding a crop, some 100, full, some 60, some 30. He was here, let him hear. Or the parable of the growing seed in Mark 4, 26, 28. Who told you where to find this parable? The Quran. But the note is from whom? Matthew and Mark?
Starting point is 01:30:14 No, the note, the note that told you where to find it. Is this a Christian site? No, this is Muhammad. Not Muhammad, that's the Quran. The note, brother, the footnote. Muhammad didn't write the footnote number four. Right, yeah, who did write that? The translators, the Muslims.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Whoa. So what did the Muslims tell you? Go look in the Bible. And you're going to find it in Mark. Yeah. Did you understand the connection? Yes. I want to shave your head for Allah on his messenger.
Starting point is 01:30:42 It just told you that at the time Muhammad, whatever gospel there was, it had this parable that is still found in Mark 4. So they just told you that the crowd is quoting Mark 4, 27, 28, for the larger context, 2629, as the gospel that was there at Thai Muhammad. Because the gospel is there saying, look, you want to know their likeness? You want to see the likeness of the Muslims in the gospel? Well, here, the gospel says this. And then the translator is saying, here's where you're going to find it. Mark 4. Here it says 26.28.
Starting point is 01:31:21 It's 26.29, but specifically it's 2728. Nonetheless. So the gospel of Jesus, according Muhammad, was there at the time of Muhammad. They had it. They were to judge by it. It was with them. So then you have to ask the Muslims, historically, what is the gospel they had? This is now an issue of history.
Starting point is 01:31:42 You've got to look at the history. What is the historical data that tells us what gospel the Christians reading at time Muhammad? Now, when you look at history, what would the answer be? What did they have at the time of Muhammad? They would have the same gospel that we have. They had your Bible. This is Islamic dilemma. When Christians know how to master this argument and present it correctly and not get stumped and confused,
Starting point is 01:32:07 because a lot of Christians don't even know how to present it, so they get stumped. Oh, he stopped me, well, because you didn't get the point. Once you learn this argument, you learn how to use it. There's no way for them to get around it. Now they're going to ignore you or docks you and threaten you because they can't refute you. Because the Quran says the Bible that the Jews and Christians had are the words of God, preserved by God,
Starting point is 01:32:32 to be used by Jews and Christians to judge the truth of the Quran. Well, that's the problem, my Muslims, because my Bible says that your Quran is not for. from God. My Bible says Muhammad is an antichrist. So if I do what the Quran tells me to do, I got to reject Muhammad. Yeah. But if you tell me the Bible is corrupt, I got to reject Muhammad because he told me the Bible's not corrupt. This is Islamic dilemma for it. Wow. Okay, let me repeat back to you, kind of just so I know that I'm tracking. So they say, oh, the Bible's got errors. The Bible's got errors. And the Torah and the Ingeal confirm the Quran.
Starting point is 01:33:02 So it's like, oh, test the Quran with the Quran. That's what it says. They say, well, the Bible's corrupt. Well, if the Bible's corrupt, Quran is corrupt. You got it. But then if the Bible is not corrupt, Quran is still corrupt. You got it. Our Bible would say... Islamic dilemma, buddy. Let's go. That's the Islamic dilemma. Master that. Okay. Go watch the debates that Avery, you had it, because you interviewed him. The most recent one he just did? He just had a debate with Jake on Islamic Dilemma. He's schooled him. It was back. So I saw some clips from it and it was a, yeah, they just kind of don't know what to say. They're stump. So, okay, I've got a few more questions concerning. Islam and something.
Starting point is 01:33:39 You got me for at least another hour, I guess. Yeah, I think we're... Shoot. Yeah, we're chilling. We're chilling. Chilling like a villain. So, first question I got right now off the top of my brain is with Paul. I've seen quite a few objections recently online.
Starting point is 01:33:52 They're like, oh, it's not... Guys, can you take a picture on C? Because I'm starting to lose the 40 pounds again. I want to see if I look lying to lean. They say that this Christianity that we have is just Paul Christianity. It's not true. That's what I'm seeing online. What is that issue?
Starting point is 01:34:08 Can you explain that? They have to find a scapegoat because the Quran says if now the screen is good, working good, man. Shoot, you got rid of that, Jeannie. If you go to chapter 3, verse 52, the Quran, and 511, it says that Jesus followers are Muslims. 352. 52? Well, Quran, all right. Bam.
Starting point is 01:34:30 Want to read it for us? Yeah. When Jesus sensed the disbelief from his people, he asked, who will stand up with me for Allah? The disciples replied, we will stand up for. for Allah. We believe in a law. So bear witness that we have submitted. Now, so bear witness that we have submitted. The word submitted means Muslim. Bear witness. We're Muslim. So the Quran tells them Jesus for followers are Muslims. If they're Muslims, then they'll teach the same message of Islam, right? They should if that's the case. But what do we find New Testament? Doesn't sound like Islam.
Starting point is 01:35:01 Right. So they got to find a guilty party. Either they're going to deny that Peter, James, and John are Jesus' disciples. Historically, they can't do that. Right. Possible. Or they're going to have to find someone whom they think hijack corrupt Christianity. So then they go to Paul because Paul wasn't a disciple of Christ when Christ walked the earth. He comes later and go, okay, he's the scapegoat. It must have been him.
Starting point is 01:35:26 Because after all, the 27 books of the New Testament, 14 have been attributed to Paul. Well, I say 14 because historically Hebrews was attributed to Paul. That's half your New Testament. Yeah. Right? If you have. Yeah. Paul gave you half of your New Testament.
Starting point is 01:35:46 He's been the most influential Christian on the church, more so than the other apostles. So he's the one who corrupted Christianity. He's the one who changed the message of Christ. So that's why they do it. They got a problem. This is part of the Islamic dilemma. If Paul corrupted Christianity, then that means Islam is false again. Because there are two promises in the crown.
Starting point is 01:36:09 And we have articles on my blog and also we've done sessions on it. Chapter 3 verse 55, the crown. If the screen goes up, he brings it up, I don't know. And chapter 61 verse 14, screen went out again. 355, right? Yeah. There it says, by the way, your screen is not on, guys. There it says, Allah said to Jesus,
Starting point is 01:36:32 O Jesus, I am going to cause you to die and raise you to myself. and I'll make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the day of resurrection. So what's the promise? What did Allah say to Jesus supposedly Isa? I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve. So what's the promise?
Starting point is 01:36:59 Who's going to be victorious? Who's going to win? The believers. Right? Yep. And then he says, till the day of resurrection. I don't know if he has that up. 355. If he has that up, we're going to do what we can.
Starting point is 01:37:11 Till the day of resurrection. So Allah says, I'm going to take you to me. But don't worry, those who believe in you will be superior, upper most dominant, over this believers, till the day of resurrection. Right, till the day of resurrection. By the way, brother, if you get it up before the rapture so we don't leave you behind.
Starting point is 01:37:27 Are you going to give him a discount for renting this place? You're going to get a discount now? He said 355. 355, yes. I love this guy, brother. It's like, dude, man, we never had a guy like this. So, well, hey man, the guys went out of time. Remember when Allah said, oh, Isa, Jesus,
Starting point is 01:37:44 I will take you and raise you up to myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve and elevate your followers above those disbelievers until the day of resurrection, day of judgment. So who won? The believers. And how long will they remain victorious? Till the day of resurrection.
Starting point is 01:37:59 Okay. Now, if he brings up 6114 before the screen goes up, it says Allah kept his word, 6114. Allah kept his word 61.14 So watch here O believers stand up for Allah as Jesus son of Mary
Starting point is 01:38:17 asked the disciples who will stand up with me for Allah disciples replied we will stand up for Allah then a group from the children of Israel believed while another disbelieved
Starting point is 01:38:28 we then supported the believers against their enemies so they prevailed so who prevailed? The believers and how long will they prevail? Till the day of resurrection. But if the Muslims are right,
Starting point is 01:38:41 Paul destroyed their message and defeated them. So what does that mean for the Quran now? It's false. So everything really stems back to this dilemma. Yep. Wow. If Paul corrupt Christianity, that means either your God Allah lied
Starting point is 01:38:56 or he was too powerful for your God. So Paul is greater than Allah. Whoa. And that's committing, sure? You're saying God is a fake God. Yeah. Because if a creature, Paul, a creature
Starting point is 01:39:10 can defeat your God, your God is nothing. The only option is Paul was a true messenger, true messenger, sent by Allah as part of the victorious party. And here's where it's going to get shocking. There are Muslim commentators
Starting point is 01:39:28 Ibn Kethir Kurtabee. These are big names. You'll learn them as you study Islam. That I'll admit, Paul traveled with Peter, accompanied Peter and preached the gospel of Christ in Rome and they were both martyred there. They even list Paul as a follower of the apostles who had the right hand of fellowship on the apostles
Starting point is 01:39:48 and he was a true representative Christianity. Wow. Interesting. So let me reiterate actually everything you said. So in 355 and in this 61.14, it says the same thing that Jesus says, Jesus followers, who's going to preach my message? And his disciples say, we're going to preach the message.
Starting point is 01:40:11 The Quran is saying this. So therefore, this argument is they're accusing one of the followers of Jesus for not preaching the message. Or they're accusing Paul of destroying the message of the followers and defeating them. I see. But could they be defeated? No, they can't. According to the Quran. Because in 352 through 555, it said that they would stay until the day of resurrection.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Yeah, they won, right? and then 61.14, which the screen went off again. Yeah. Lord, have mercy on us, Lord. I pray that when you bring destruction on the earth, destroy this TV set, destroy it completely, that it never sees the day of light. Lord, because I know I'm impatient,
Starting point is 01:40:51 but Lord, I know when I prayed for patience, but not this way, Lord, some other way. Because I'm going to be a doctor by the time this is over when I have so much patience. Sorry. 61.14 said that we aided those who believed and they won. If Paul
Starting point is 01:41:08 hijacked Christianity, he defeated them and vanquished them and they lost. So what's the story? Either the Quran is false or it's not. Dang. Wow, that's so fascinating. So, wow, that just, I feel
Starting point is 01:41:25 like now when I watch all the Muslim apologetics and stuff like that, you're right, they really just try to trip you up, but everything stems back to the same argument. Like you're just, you're just disproving. yourself. Go to the root. You're dealing with symptoms. Well, as I has I said, hey, that's good. Muhammad is a liar then. What? You said there's a contradiction in the Bible. Muhammad is a liar. Why are you a Muslim? What? What do you mean? Yeah. No answer. No, I'm not
Starting point is 01:41:48 answering. I want now. Okay, you just destroy my faith in the Bible, but I can't be a Muslim. So I should be a Buddhist. Because Muhammad told me this Bible is the un-crup word of God. You believe in him. I don't. I don't care for his opinion. But if I believe him, Then I have to believe in the Bible. But you're telling me not to believe in the Bible, which means you're telling me don't believe him. So then what are you leaving with? What do you want me to become? Hindu?
Starting point is 01:42:14 Buddhist or Gnostic? What do you want me to become? Because you're definitely just convinced you not to become a Muslim. Interesting. That's how you do, brother, shit. Wow. So, okay, second question is more. These next couple are really about Muhammad.
Starting point is 01:42:28 I wanted to talk about Muhammad marrying Aisha. Aisha, Aisha. Smoke some hashisha. Go to suna.com, my friend. Sunna.com. It's the genie. The genie got the TV. All right, ask me.
Starting point is 01:42:42 I'm probably going to have to just. So Aisha, from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong. But the way that I have discovered is, Muhammad goes to Baca. Is that his name? Abu Baka. Abu Baca. I like Baca, though. You like Baca?
Starting point is 01:42:58 I like that one. So he goes to Baca and he says, he says, hey, Allah told me that Well, how it went was I want to marry your daughter He goes, but you're my brother And then Muhammad said, yeah, but we're brothers in religion But she's still awful for me
Starting point is 01:43:16 Other traditions say that He had a dream or Gibriel brought her Covered Right, so he saw a dream of her She was covered and then It was revealed, she's your wife So he had fantasies of her So I don't believe that's
Starting point is 01:43:32 obviously Gabriel, that's Satan, or a demon, if he really had that. So then, all right, so he contracts a marriage. Now, if you go in the search engine, put Aisha A-I-S-H-A, and then put 9-N-I, oh, you know how to spell 9, why am I spelling it for you? And then dolls. Are you going to see suna dot com? How many dolls? D-O-L-L, now that one?
Starting point is 01:43:57 Not donuts, man. I know I look fatter than before, my friend. Sunnan Nassai The Book of Marriage Now notice the grade It says Sahih Volume 4 Book 26 Hadid 3380
Starting point is 01:44:09 Read it for us Wait you said There's a great Oh I see the grade Right there It's the messenger of Allah Married Who's narrating it?
Starting point is 01:44:16 Read who's narrating it It was narrated by Aisha So Aisha herself Narrated it All right So personal testimony The messenger of Allah Referring to Muhammad
Starting point is 01:44:26 Married me When I was 6 And consummated the marriage with me when I was nine and I used to play with dolls. That's how young she was. Oh my gosh. Okay, I got a couple questions. There's more if you want to read. I do want to read it. Wait. The other one is Sahe Muslim. You don't need to click on a brother. Just stand the main page.
Starting point is 01:44:46 So here's what I want to talk about here in a particular. So I've heard quite a few Muslims go, oh, well, she was, it was, um, she was at the age of maturity. No, she wasn't. There's no way. No, not only that. Islam forbids having images like dolls. But if you read it, when Muhammad took her to the house to then have sex with her, she was playing with dolls. Why? Because the Muslims say, because she was premature, hadn't reached puberty, she was allowed to play with dolls. It's when she reached puberty she had to stop. Now they said that she stopped playing with dolls at Chaiber.
Starting point is 01:45:27 When the battle Chaiber, she was around 14 years old when she reached puberty. So according to the Muslims, She hadn't reached puberty until she was 14. And where is that? That's in Ibn Hager, Al-Askalani. His commentary in Bukhari, but it'll be here. I'll come up. Scroll down a little bit, brother.
Starting point is 01:45:44 Okay, you see it right there? Fathal Bari, page 143, volume 13. This is the commentary from Ibn Hager Al-Azcalani. That one right there that he's highlighted. Where it says Fathel-Bah, where it says narrated, Aisha, Sa'Ill-Bukari, good manners, and form, al-A-Dap. Now, before you read it, when you see in the parentheses at the bottom, this is Sa'i-Boucari, Volume 8, book 73, Hadith 151.
Starting point is 01:46:05 Where it says in parentheses, Fathl Bari, page 143, 513, Fathal Bari is the commentary on Bukhari by Ibn Hager Al-Escalani. Gotcha. He is explaining the Hadiths. So he's explaining why she was allowed to play with dolls when dolls' images are forbidden. Now read it. And he's well respected.
Starting point is 01:46:26 He's one of their greatest scholars, brother. When you want to go to the Bukhari and know the commentary, you go to him, Okay, so this guy is saying that and he says... First, he's the Hadith. Now, this is the actual Hadith from Aisha. But the words in parentheses are... Are his words.
Starting point is 01:46:41 So read it. I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girlfriends also used to play with me when Allah's Apostle used to enter. They used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. And this is his... Now, in parentheses, comes from Fatal Bari,
Starting point is 01:46:57 volume 13, page 143. The commentary says, The Playing with the Dolls and similar image. is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at the time as she was a little girl not yet reached the age of puberty. And then I have the extensive commentary of his in one of my posts. If you guys, if you guys listening, go to answeringislam.blog. My articles are there. Use a search engine.
Starting point is 01:47:22 Also go to Sam. I'm going to spell it out for you guys. Sam S-H-M-N. so it's Sam Shimon but it's Sam S-A-M-S-H-M-N and then I think I misspelled it We can link it in the description
Starting point is 01:47:41 Yeah, I'll give it to you later because I misspelled theology When I started URL, I missed the O So I made a stupid mistake so it's T-H-E-L-G-Y dot net But I'll give it to you later I was a mistake man And then answering Islam So 4,000 articles
Starting point is 01:47:56 All of it fully documented And I quote Ibn Hajar who's being cited by who is considered one of the greatest Salafi scholars of the 20th century, bin Bas. He's explaining that Ibn Hajar says that Aisha
Starting point is 01:48:12 stopped playing with dolls at Chaiber. Why? Because at Chaiber is when she reached puberty and she was 14 years old. That means they're telling you she didn't reach puberty until she was 14. Wow. So when they say she reached puberty, they're lying to you.
Starting point is 01:48:28 Yeah. And besides, even let's say, for argument's sake you reach puberty. How does that make her psychologically and physiologically ready to have a 54-year-old old enough to be a great-grandfather? If you'll actually look at it because they get married young. Let's say Muhammad was married at 15. He had a kid.
Starting point is 01:48:47 So 15, he had a kid. 30, he's got a grand kid. 45, he can have a great-grand kid, right? Right. He's 54. He's enough to be a great-grandfather. Yeah, that's wild. So this shows you how sick, demonic, and wicked these people are that would justify and defend this preferred practice.
Starting point is 01:49:08 So you mentioned something. When they talk about the age of puberty thing, obviously, they're lying about it. Yes. There's a, I've heard that there's an ability where you can lie for the sake of Islam. Yes. It's called taqia and chidaa. Because Muhammad said, war is deceit. War is chada.
Starting point is 01:49:27 And taqia concealment. according to even Sunni traditions but this is actually more well known among Shia but it's in the Sunni tradition Chapter 3 verse 20 in fact bring up the crown if you can again I'll just show you that receipts here this now thank the Lord it's open man shoot
Starting point is 01:49:44 it's three what 328 3 colon 28 now watch here can you read for us yeah believers should not take disbelievers as guardians instead of the believers and whoever does so we have nothing to hope for from a law
Starting point is 01:49:58 So notice you can't befriend on believers. You're reading it. Yeah, that's interesting. Whoever does so has no hope from Allah. Wow. You become friends with the kufar, the disbelievers. Allah is your enemy and you're no better than them. So if a Muslim becomes friends with me or you, they're no good in Allah's eyes.
Starting point is 01:50:20 Only if it's for deceit, because then there's a condition. Whoa, unless it is a... Unless, see, there's that condition. Wow. a precaution against their tyranny and Allah warns you about himself and to Allah is the final return
Starting point is 01:50:35 The only reason why you'll befriend the Qafar the disbelievers is to protect yourself from their backlash Why? Once they realize what your agenda is Wow
Starting point is 01:50:49 Now when you know the Muslims are here to rape our women Slave our children Behead us and take over What's your reaction going to be you would want to fight back so that's the tyranny that you need to protect against so then what you do is you deceive them
Starting point is 01:51:04 don't tell them what Islam teaches because remember stage one you're in stage one preach those seras to you your religion to be my religion and is that why is that why for example like with what's going on in New York the mayor
Starting point is 01:51:22 of Zoran he claims to be Muslim but the mayor of New York you mean? Yeah mayor of New York city. He claims to be Muslim, but he also is pro-LGBQ, pro-trans, all that stuff. Is that because of the stage one thing? He's a unique personality. I don't know if he's just a liberal Muslim, because not all Muslims will leave. He'll play the Muslim card to get votes. I don't know. But there's a possibility he's towing the party line in order to deceive the non-Muslims, that Muslims are peaceful until they have the upper hand. I really don't know what to say about it.
Starting point is 01:51:59 Because again, Islam murders homosexuals. Yeah. Islam is against, and this is what's ironic, pre-marital sex, and yet you can have unlimited slave girls for sex. So it's a walking contradiction. That's chapter 4 verse 3. So is he deliberately putting on this facade that he's a progressive Muslim?
Starting point is 01:52:22 Then he's not a true Muslim according to treaty. Traditional Islam, traditional Islam, he's a fake. Or is he really a Muslim, but he has to go with the mentality mindset of the masses to deceive them, disarm them, so they don't see what the true agenda is. Only God knows the answer to that. That's very fascinating. So these guys can lie to deceive. I'm going to show you one of my articles. Okay.
Starting point is 01:52:48 Go to answeringislam. Answeringislam. This is the website. Phenomenal website. Yeah, this is, I became the chief writer in 1999. But several years ago, they stopped uploading. So I started my own blog to continue. Now what you're going to do, brother, you're going to see it says,
Starting point is 01:53:09 polemic rebuttals, it's in blue. Now they can't see it on your thing. Right, right, but we'll have it up. You'll have it up. Now you're going to see it says, Nadir Ahmed. Nadir Ahmed. All right, click there. You see where it says Islam's the religion, please,
Starting point is 01:53:25 up there you see says go down there go down that row it's the last one in that role is Islam religion apiece now if you can do command F or control F put in TUQ TUQ
Starting point is 01:53:41 all right right there stop there C328 yes okay I quote that but then I give you the commentary that commentary is from Ibn Kathir consider one of the greatest medieval Muslim commentators. In point of fact, if you ask any Muslims knowledgeable, when you interpret the Quran, you must consult the commentators, the greatest of whom are Al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir, the two
Starting point is 01:54:09 jalaas, Jalalain, Al-Qutubi, Zamakshari, al-Bidah. These are the men you look to in understanding the Arab of the Quran, especially when they want to translate. Ibn Kathir is writing about 700 hundred years after Muhammad's death, he is quoting sources that supposedly go back to Muhammad. Now watch where it says the prohibition of supporting the disbelievers. This is the section where he's explaining 328. Do not take them as friends unless it's for security. Read where it says Allah prohibited his. Allah prohibited his believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbeliever
Starting point is 01:54:45 or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships. So why do they befriend you? Literally. Why are they befriending you? Just to deceive you. Either because they're stupid, they don't know Islam? Give them but if not. Not all Muslims know Islam.
Starting point is 01:54:59 Really, they don't. I'm not trying to be, they just don't, like Christians. But what about the Muslims who do know Islam? Why are they befriending you? When they hate you. Because then when we, because what it said in chapter 3, it said... And this is the commentary, 328. Here's, now watch, read.
Starting point is 01:55:15 Now here's why they befriends you. Keep reading. Rather than the, then the believers, Allah warned against such behavior and when he said, and whoever does that will never be helped by a law in any way, meaning whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard them. Allah said next, unless you indeed fear a danger from them, meaning accept those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.
Starting point is 01:55:49 Wow. Pretend to be your friend, right? Wow. But now this part, the name is El Bukhari, that was the man. Abu Adderda is a companion of Muhammad. So it says, for instance, El Bukhari recorded that Abu Adderda, that's Muhammad's companion. What did Abu Adderda say? We smile in the face of some people, although our hearts curse them.
Starting point is 01:56:09 What else do you want? Yeah, that's wild. That's wild. And this is Muhammad's companion. And then the Kiyah. El Bukhari said that Al-Hassan said the Tuqia, that's it, is allowed until the day resurrection. In other words, you're allowed to lie till the day of resurrection. But that's also according to the Quran, the day that the believers will... So you say that. So that's what, but I'm
Starting point is 01:56:30 showing you, it's not my spin. No, you're a Christian, anti-Muslim, you hate Islamophob, and you're misquoting the verse. I'm Ebn Kathir, buddy. Wow, that is insane. So what your duty is, start with your church. You don't, win Muslims, but you're losing Christians. You need to inoculate, educate Christians about this. You've got to teach them this. You have to hate Muhammad as much you hate Islam, not Muslims. Hate Muhammad as much Islam. See how filthy Islam is so they never, ever consider becoming Muslim,
Starting point is 01:57:04 and then show them the beauty of Christ and know their faith. Because most of the time in these conversations, you're addressing, let's say, the objections of others, not objections, sorry, the views of others, but you're not strengthening yourself in your own faith. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Like more people are focused on winning the argument than like... Yeah, and they're not learning why they believe.
Starting point is 01:57:27 For example, the Trinity, which is the heart of our faith, because our God is triune, he's the Trinity. Are we ready to show from Scripture God is triune? Are we ready to deal with the objections that... Not just Muslims. Anyone and everyone who's an anti-Trinitarian use the same arguments. There are now Christians who claim to be Christians. They're not because they reject the true God,
Starting point is 01:57:45 but they think they're not. Who are Unitarians who say that Jesus is, just a man. If we get so hung up on just debates, what I call spiritual blood baths, spiritual UFCs, where we just invite people in and want to wreck them and destroy them so we can get 2,000 or 3,000, that edifies no one. Yeah. It really doesn't. If you go, take my word, I want people to go take my word for it, not take my word for it, go and watch the live streams. Hey, Islam is false, believe me wrong. Over 90% of the time is wasted because you don't get any fruitful conversations. Only Muslims coming mocking, attacking, ridiculing, and then you got to get rid of
Starting point is 01:58:22 them. How does this edify anyone? There's a place to refute and destroy objections, but it's more edifying to teach a Christian why you should trust the Bible, how does he know what the Bible is, and how do you know that the God of the Bible is triune, and that Jesus is God in the flesh, and how to answer these objections and what is salvation? That's what caused me to do what I did. When the guy the Muslim attacked me, he was attacking my faith. He quoted verses where Christ could not be God. That's why if you go to the website here, if you see my articles, 98% of material is all Christian related.
Starting point is 01:58:58 In fact, go to the main page, let me show it to you, and you can show them later. You'll see it, they won't. Okay, now go to individual authors in the red, go down. And I'm not the only writer. I was the chief writer, but there are a lot of great writers here. Look for Sam Shimon to the right at top. You see Sam Shimon? Slowly, slowly scroll down.
Starting point is 01:59:17 Look how many articles. And look at the titles. It's the Holy Spirit, Jesus God, as well. Did Christ sacrifice appease the Father of the entire Godhead? Just as he scrolls down, slowly, look at all the articles, and 98% of them is about the Trinity, the deed of Christ, the authority, scripture, and salvation. Wow. Look, keep going to be here all day. But go now.
Starting point is 01:59:35 See? Wow. Praise God. Can you see that? Since 1999. It's there for free. Download it before the websites has disappeared. Keep going, brother.
Starting point is 01:59:43 look how much of it is all about Christianity yeah that's beautiful 98% of right yeah keep going on brother now and then I attacked the Kron and Muhammad obviously but it's focused now you see where it says former index page this is the new format the original format now look this is the original one when he clicks on it before you go now this is when I start 1999 look at the questions I'm answering from 99 a series of answer to common claims and question claims if Jesus got God, how can God die? If Jesus God, was he praying to himself? These are articles I start writing and originally in 1999.
Starting point is 02:00:20 Wow. Those, and I mean, I'm not even joking. Those top two questions. That's what they always say. Why do you think I'm answering them? Yeah, that's what does it say? A series of answers to common questions and claims. You need to know your faith more so than knowing Islam. Facts scroll down. You'll see again, 98% is about explain Christianity, the Trinity, the Bible, and salvation. Keep going. There's stuff on Islam, but not as much.
Starting point is 02:00:47 Wow. Now, this is the website. If you go to my blog and, oh, it's, my blog, it's probably 99.5% Christianity. Wow. In fact, if you go, brother, do answeringislam.com. Answeringislam.com. Dot blog. So, yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:06 And this is you? There goes. Right there. Wow. Very cool. So it's great to talk about. Islam it's a threat but we need to know our faith we need to know the scriptures we need to know that the god of the Bible is real and truly experience him and truly know him and love him and you're
Starting point is 02:01:24 doing that but what I'm saying is not just going to church and praying you got to pray and singing right knowing the scriptures knowing the proof from scriptures why you believe the trinity of Christ has gone in the flesh so keep that in mind yeah Islam is going nowhere until Jesus come so even now that you know this now that you know this what are you going to do about it Yeah, it just makes me want to know my faith more. All right. Now, even if you want to cure the problem with Islam, I just told you they can lie to you.
Starting point is 02:01:51 How are you going to stop them? Go ahead. Give me a solution in America. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I mean, we just, I think we talked about it at the beginning. It's like if you try to limit their... Then they're going to limit you. Yeah, and then if you don't limit them,
Starting point is 02:02:02 then they'll slowly but surely take over. So knowing this is important, but what can we do? The only thing we can do is love Jesus, worship. pray, read our faith and evangelize. That's all we can do. Yeah. And obviously, if it comes down to defend yourself, you have the right to defend yourself, bare arms.
Starting point is 02:02:20 But that's all we can do, brother. Yeah. Wow. An unhealthy fascination Islam will cause paranoia and fear. Wow. Right? No, it does. It does.
Starting point is 02:02:30 Exactly. Yeah, I have a really incredible friend. I grew up with him. We grew up in the same area and loves Jesus. Just incredible. But he had a period of time after his first year, on Jesus where he was like really going in on Islam because he had made a claim and then, you know, the Muslims would like, you know, mock and things like that towards him. And then he
Starting point is 02:02:52 went through that season of time where it was like a slight paranoia. But then he realized kind of what you're saying, like, I just need to know Jesus. Amen. Jesus. That's beautiful. Okay, well, my final question for you before we close, and I'd love to pray, which by the way, everyone listening or watching, I'm going to link all of these sites down below. I've been on answering Islam.org. Yeah, and then answering aslam. Blog. My website. Put them all down there. I'll give it to you. Theology.net. It's wild. How many, you guys can't see it. It was just wild how many links are on there.
Starting point is 02:03:23 Like I said, the brother said, who counted, I have 4,200 articles just from me. Imagine everyone else. Yeah. That's wild. And it's free. So download them because we don't know how long the websites will be up. Yeah. Download the articles because they're gone. They're gone. I don't have them backed up. Wow. Okay. Okay. And then, um, yeah, I guess. It's final question, this is so random, but like the Mecca, the Cube. Yeah. Where did that come from?
Starting point is 02:03:48 It's a pagan artifact. In other words, even the Muslims will tell you that prior to Muhammad, the Arabs were steeped in idolatry. They had about 360 idols, and so they'll admit, yeah, the Kaaba housed idols. The Arabs were idolaters. They worship gods and goddesses. And the chief god of the Kaaba, Mecca, was Hubal or Habil. Hubble is actually Ba'al. This takes a lot of this.
Starting point is 02:04:20 Yeah, it is. I've documented from Muslim sources. Even scholars of Islam say, yeah, Habil or Hu Baal, Hu Baal means he is Baal, or it can be an Arabized bastardization of Hebrew. Ha Ba'aal. Now, how do we know that Hubble, the chief idol of the Kaaba and Mecca is Baal?
Starting point is 02:04:41 because the Muslim sources say a man named Amr, Amr bin Luhay, went to the Amalekites. Says it. He was in the Levant, Syria, Jordan. And in Syria, they gave him the idol of their chief god. And he imported it back to the Kappa. Well, you know the chief god of the Moabites and Amalekites were? Bal.
Starting point is 02:05:02 So what did he bring back? A false God. Well, the name was the Shrine of Bao. Bal. So the Kaaba was the shrine of Bao. It's bala worship. So is that what's inside the door? No, it's gone now.
Starting point is 02:05:14 Everything's gone. What's inside of there? Why are you talking about the black stone? I'm talking about the black stone itself. That too is a pagan artifact. But Muslims like to rewrite history. So you asked him, so was it true that at time Muhammad, the Arabs were pagans and idolaters, then he worshipped gods and goddesses and Hubble was the chief god?
Starting point is 02:05:31 They'll say yes. But they'll say, originally Ishmael lived there. And then Abraham came and visited Ishmael. They built the Kaaba as a house. worship but in time the descendants of Shmiel corrupted it and added gods and goddesses so they rewrite history that's nowhere to be
Starting point is 02:05:48 found in history I will I'll take you to mass will become Muslim to give you pre-Islamic proof shred of historical archaeological proof that Ishmael ever lived in Mecca no evidence whatsoever secondly we don't even have any
Starting point is 02:06:05 evidence for Muhammad being a physical descendant of Ishmael that's based on later tradition written over hundreds after the Quran was supposedly written. No proof whatsoever that the Arabs were Muhammad descended from in Mecca had any connection, Ishmael. Because Ishmael, his mother was Egyptian Hagar. Genesis 2121 says, she went and found them a wife from Egypt. His wife was Egypt. His father Abraham wasn't an Arab.
Starting point is 02:06:33 He has got nothing new with Arabs. Abraham is a Hebrew, descendant of Iber, Arfaxad, He also meets crossover. Mother Egyptian, he's African. His kids would be Hebrew and African. No connection with the Arabs of Mecca. Because according to their tradition, Ishmael lived there and married a woman from the tribe of Jhulham. Lai, there's no evidence for it.
Starting point is 02:06:59 And he settled the wilderness of Paran. Paran is by Egypt, Shura, and by Canaan. It ain't in Mecca. So they had to rewrite this history in order to explain how is it a person? pagan shrine now becomes a house of Allah. Because originally it was built by Abraham and Ishmael. There is no proof. Yeah. It was a pagan shrine. Wow.
Starting point is 02:07:18 That's very odd. Before we close, one thing, if you could encourage believers that have to listen, what would you encourage them in? As I've said in the beginning I'll say it again. You need to be anchored in your faith. You cannot be
Starting point is 02:07:35 a master of all traits. You can't. possible. If God has called you to witness to a group, not everyone's going to be called to Islam. You may be called to Joe's witnesses. Someone else is atheists. Stay in your lane. Learn what your gifts are. Stay in your lane. Don't cross over. So if God has blessed you to destroy atheism, philosophically, rationally, scientifically. And that's your calling? Perfect your craft. But then don't think that qualifies you to don't go and debate Muslims. Leave that to others. Learn from them.
Starting point is 02:08:06 So I don't debate atheists because I suck. And it's not about my ego. It's about truth so what I do is you're an atheist here are these scholars their websites they demolish atheism go listen and try to respond now if that's your calling perfect your gifts perfect your trade but know your faith the most important part of all of this is Christians are poorly educated they can't even answer basic questions about the basic doctrines of their faith Trinity what is it Trinity is Jesus God if so is he praying to him himself. How can God die? How can God become a man? You need to know why you believe in the
Starting point is 02:08:47 Trinity, because that is the heart of our faith. God is a Trinity. God is not one person. God is one, God, three persons. They're not the same person. And Christ who's God the son, not the fathers became learned that. You need to learn why you can trust the Bible, historically accurate, preserved. You need to know the evidence for the resurrection because our faith is anchored in the fact the historical Jesus was killed physically, buried physically, rose physically, left the tomb empty, and we have massive amount of historical evidence showing the resurrection as any event that best explains these facts. Learn the evidence that Christ is like. Because if Christ is dead, 1st Corinthians 15, Paul says, if Christ is dead, your faith is useless. Stop being a Christian. If you don't know why the resurrection is a fact,
Starting point is 02:09:33 or if you doubt the resurrection, you're destroying your faith. And if the resurrection can be falsified? Paul is saying, go find you another religion. Learn the evidence that Christ has been raised. The resurrection is a fact of history. Transforming the apostles. The Bible is historically accurate. God is trying to learn your faith and then live it out.
Starting point is 02:09:52 And then all of you listening, pray for us in the front lines because I've been docks. I'm not the only one. Other apologists, Avery, him and his wife, their address been docks. The Muslims revealed their numbers, their address. They did it with me.
Starting point is 02:10:07 They did it with others. In fact, if I recommend, if you get a chance, there's another brother who's up and coming. He's great. Mike of inspiring philosophy. Yes, he's phenomenal. Interview. He's got great information.
Starting point is 02:10:20 I've been seeing him recently. I love his stuff. Yeah, we have an interview. And will I hear this? Yeah. Hey, Mike, love you, brother. Keep going the way you're going. Stay humble.
Starting point is 02:10:28 Pray for me. The Lord, have mercy on us. And I pray God prospers you. Him and his buddy, Tham. Get a chance to interview them. He's been docs too. We've been docks. So pray for us in the front line.
Starting point is 02:10:40 Pray we don't fall in scandal because Satan wants to take us out and tempt us. Pray we're covered by the blood of Jesus. Pray the Lord protects our lives. And with me, the Lord helped me to get healthier because I've let myself go. For the sake of my daughters, I see my daughters grow up to fall love with the Lord. And the Lord bless my ministry and that I'm a man of integrity and provide. So there you go. Amen.
Starting point is 02:10:58 Would you pray that everyone would just fall more in love with Jesus? Man, that's all of what that's about. Yeah, would you pray for everyone? You got it, brother. Father, we come. ask in the almighty name of Jesus your son we ask first that you teach us how to praise you how to pray to you how to love you and adore you by the power of your holy spirit because we know what the scriptures say Romans 8 26 27 it's the spirit that knows how to pray for us and through us and
Starting point is 02:11:26 intercede so I ask that your spirit will sanctify this prayer of mine in the blood of Jesus to be acceptable and pleasing to you so I lift up Bryce his his crew his team and all those who watch. I don't know who'll be watching. I don't know how many will be watching, but it's not about numbers, Father. Destroy pride, arrogance in all of us. The desire for fame and fortune and money.
Starting point is 02:11:50 Purify our motives to be content. To do it for Jesus. To teach for Jesus. To make Jesus famous because he's infinitely beautiful when you get to know him as he really is. And I ask, Father, that through these ministers and these young men, protect them, they don't fall, protect them from scandal, strengthen them,
Starting point is 02:12:14 and may they point people to Jesus not to themselves. Not to themselves, not to me. Destroy the cult of personality. Guard our hearts to glorify Christ and show his audience just how infinitely beautifully are once they get to know your real character by a proper understanding of scripture. And Father, we ask that you perfect our understanding of Scripture.
Starting point is 02:12:37 perfect our articulation of scripture, perfect our interpretation of scripture, and perfect our love and obedience to scripture. Because the Lord says, if we love him, we will do His will. I pray you give us grace. Strict discipline spiritually, physically, all of us to practice what we preach. Help us when we struggle in weakness. Help us when we fall in sin. Because the flesh is strong and our spirit is weak, but you are greater than our flesh.
Starting point is 02:13:02 Save us for your glory. By the power of the blood of Jesus Christ, seal us by the spirit. May your spirit own us fully, fully and own all our possessions, own our loved ones, own my daughters, fully. We want the spirit to own us to be controlled by the spirit because your spirit is beautiful, glorious and perfect, and majestic, and only intends what is perfect, good, and righteous for us. Because you are good, you are perfect, you are righteous, and your will is good. and your will is to be loved by you and to be in love with you and live forever with you with Jesus and with the Holy Spirit. May the blood of Christ wash us, purify us against our flesh, against
Starting point is 02:13:44 sin, against the world. May we be more than conquerors as we crush the evil one by the power of the blood of Jesus Christ. And we finish the race. Because until the Lord comes, physically we die, and then he'll return and raise our bodies. But in the interim, if we die, our spirits, are with him if we die in fellowship with them and we want Jesus. It's not about ministry. It's not about just arguing. It's about Jesus. To see him, to physically touch him, to be touched the life physically held by him, kiss his feet because he's a source of love. Hell is not having Jesus. Heaven is where Jesus is and I pray we'll be with him forever. We thank you, Father. We thank you Lord Jesus. We thank you, Holy Spirit.
Starting point is 02:14:31 preserve this young man, his ministry, and preserve me as well. For the glory of Jesus Christ, in the name of Jesus we ask this. Amen. Amen. Thank you for doing that.

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