The Bryce Crawford Podcast - The Harry Jowsey Interview (EP 82)

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

In this video, Bryce interviews Harry Jowsey about his career, religious beliefs, and rise to fame.

What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford podcast. I'm Bryce. And today have an awesome guest. We've had some interesting conversations off camera. I'm going to expose him right now, guys. He takes a shut off to poop. I take, no, it's like, I take, you, yeah, we just, like, you ever have those times where we just, like, start going into pooping.

Yes, we were talking about pooping. But we got Harry Jousie on today. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming on. Guys, we're going to start a debate. Like, I've never taken my shut off to poop, but apparently these guys get fully naked. And I just want his audience to know that.

That there's some weird stuff going on over here in the house. Yeah, we, we, uh, no, it's just like, I feel like the guys would understand you what we're talking about. They do. And you were the only guy in the room that did not understand what we were talking about. So maybe like you just live under a rock. Yeah, yeah. Or I'm just not eating the food that you guys eat. Yeah, I actually do not eat super healthy, which I'm trying to like learn how to eat healthier.

Well, that's why you're getting naked when you have to poo. Because you're stressed. Because I'm stressed out. Your body's fighting back. Having a heart flashes. My body is fighting back. It's good. It's good.

Well, dude, thanks for coming on. No, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. I'm excited to learn a little bit more about all this stuff because, yeah, it's very interesting to me. I didn't grow up with religion at all. So it's very, I'm very curious about it now as I get older. Yeah, yeah. You said you were from Australia, so you just had no, no, any sort of faith at all.

No faith? Well, my, so what happened was my parents when they grew up, they had it super forced on them. And when it was our turn to grow up, they were just like, we don't want you to believe in anything. We want you to just figure it out when you turn 18 and make up your own mind, which is kind of like tough because you don't really know which direction to go. But it's also like, I really appreciate it because now I'm free to be like, okay, well, maybe I like a little bit of this or a little bit of that. Like I believe that there's a there's something. I just don't have a definition for it. And I don't have like a, hey, like, oh, I could put that there, whatever else.

Like, I went and did a few, like, spiritual retreats to try and figure it out, figure out what I believe in. But it's still, like, again, I don't know. I don't have, like, a by definition thing. And I was recently in New Zealand with my dad and he passed. And that was the scariest conversation. I guess that's why I'm so excited to talk to you is because the conversation with my dad when he was on his deathbed was that I'm like, oh, what do you think is going to happen?

Like, surely it's going to be, like, there's going to be something fun. And he was like, no, it's just going to be darkness and black. And I'm like, well, that's not fun for me. Yeah, I want to believe in something. Like, even if you don't think that there's anything over there. So, yeah, I was really excited to do this. So thanks having me. No, dude, thanks for having me.

I'm super stoked. I can't wait to dive into that. That's going to be awesome. So aside from religion, like, what was your family dynamic growing up? What were your parents like? What was it like growing up? What were some challenges you faced? Dude, I was a little shit.

To be honest, to put it the easiest way. Like I, my brother was like really good at school and I was a little rat bag. My parents are awesome. Like they're very funny people. Like for example, I, because obviously my mom, once my dad passed, I was like going through old photos and stuff. And dude like, I guess like the easiest way to like describe my parents is they're just so crazy.

Like for Halloween, my dad dressed up. I had it made a helmet with a bunch of like dildos on it and he called himself Captain for Halloween, which is not even like a character. Yeah, yeah. But he like made it. it up. So my parents are just kind of crazy like that and they're funny and incredible. But I was just a little turd at school.

Like I was blowing up toilets with like chlorine bombs. What? Yeah, I don't know. It's just the thing. And then we had like a fight club and then would make, we'd make the younger kids make us like little firecrackers. And we'd just throw them at the sister college and like bread rolls and stuff. It wasn't good.

So no wonder why I got kicked out of all the schools in Australia. And then I went to school in New Zealand where my sisters are. I've got four half sisters. but then I got kicked out of that school as well because apparently you don't meant to streak at the sister college. Dang, so you grew up in New Zealand and then what was like, dude, there's like so much going on back. I just, so you go through school or whatever.

And I mean, I think it'd be safe to say like I think people know you a lot from these dating shows that you've been on. What was the transition like, I mean, how does someone even get involved? Were you, did you, was it right after high school? Did you try to go to college? and then you were like got this opportunity. What was all that like? So I went, after I finished high school,

I went and traveled for a year, saved up as much money as I could. And my mom was like, you just got to go figure out life. You got to go explore the world. And I think it was the best thing for me. And then once I turned 18, or just after I turned 18,

was when I traveled. And then I applied for a university as an adult. And then I got into this university, like this random one on this stupid, I don't know, I just was like, whatever will take, whoever will take me, I'll just do it. Yeah. I was doing like a double degree in like business and art.

And I thought it was like art like, you know, you get to see naked girls and paint their titties and stuff. But it was like cultural studies. And I'm like, guys, this is too intense for me. I just want to see some boobs. Yeah. And then I was at university for two and a half years. And it wasn't, it just wasn't that exciting. And we, my brother's best friend, unfortunately, committed suicide.

And then I, it kind of put my life into a pivot where, I was just like, well, I'm not happy. I know I'm funny. I know I can make my friends laugh. They're obviously not happy and I can't call them every day and be like, hey, you're okay and make sure that I'm there for them. But what I can do is I can be a dead on TV. And then one of my friends, it was in like a couple days of it,

one of my friends had tagged me in a post on Facebook. And she's like, you'd be perfect for this. And I just sent in photos of me and my undies to just be like, hopefully you guys want me. and within like a couple days it flew me out to New Zealand and then I booked the first show which was Heartbreak Island and then after that I was sending naked photos in to try and get on any show like so how many how many dating shows have you been on in total I think maybe like four or five

wow yeah and what like so so you it seems like when you were going on these dating shows where you going on there now reflecting on now do you think all of those you were going on there to sincerely like you were on a quest for love or you were just like I'm just trying to like get famous No one on these shows is going there for love. Really? That's an element of it. Like, sure.

Like, the first show you sign up for you, like, oh, yeah. Hopefully I find my person. It's not a real environment. It's not, there's nothing real about these dating shows. It's literally you just put on, you're a normal person that has a normal life doing, like, living at home with your family and whatever else. You get the blessing of a lifetime to go into a high production show. Everything's taken care of.

You have all these hot people around you. You don't have to think. You don't have to do. You don't have your phone. You're just like in it. And it's all heightened. And then they're telling you that there's like someone there for you. But at the end of the day,

you're like if it's televised, like hopefully like the goal is like hopefully I get something out of it. And then once I did the first show and I saw like a little increase in a social media following, I'm like, okay, this is like there's actually, there's a career here or there's business to be made. So I think when people say that they go on these shows, especially if they've done two or three or whatever, saying like, oh, I'm here genuinely to find love.

Sure. That's probably 20% of it, but 80% of it is the brand deals that you get after it and to be like the coolest person in town. Because like once the show airs for that month, you're so cool. Everyone wants to take your dinner, all this stuff. And then the next show airs and no one cares. Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of silly. Dang.

So what do you think after this kind of self-exploring, self-discovery of childhood, high school, college, dating shows? What do you think your definition of love is? It's a really good question. I think definition of love is someone who is unapologetically there for you. No judgment. Just in your corner no matter what, but also someone that will correct you in a nice way. And I think I didn't really know what that was when I was here and dating for the first few times. But like once I recently went back to New Zealand and I felt the love that my sisters had for their husbands or their partners.

And to see all that, like no matter what, that they just there for them. and I realized a lot of that stuff in LA I guess the hardest thing was like when my dad passed a lot of the people that I was really close with didn't text or call or check in they just like liked my post on Instagram and I was like okay well there's even if it's friendship there's no real love

there and I just thought yeah I guess for me like my definition is just someone who's just going to show up no matter what and just be there with you and either correct you or inspire you and get you excited about life dang and sorry we're going to get deep because I like to get deep.

Yeah. I feel like if I was in your position and I was constantly going on these shows for me because this is something I struggled with, maybe not to the degree. Or maybe you didn't struggle with this at all. But in high school and middle school, I was trying to be a people pleaser. I struggled with a lot of depression and anxiety, crippling depression and anxiety. And like it kind of the way you describe these dating shows was like you go on there to get something out of it.

And you've been in so many of those environments. Like how do you see yourself? I mean, do you feel like that people were just trying to use you a lot? There's definitely an element of it. And also, I, I've learned recently that I just go head first into things and, like, get super excited whether that's a relationship or a friendship. Like, when I meet someone new, I'm like, I just want to help and get, I get inspired by seeing my people get further along. And there's definitely an element of it. But it's kind of wherever you go, if you find success maybe in your workplace or in something niche or whatever.

else like there's always going to be someone there that may want that for themselves and try and get to that position so it definitely is an element of it but i don't let it like slow me down or like hold on to me because i'm me and i'm the only one that's gonna say these silly stupid things and make a dick of myself on tv yeah and so like i don't know it's definitely it's a big element of it but i just i think there's just so much abundance for everyone so if you use me a little bit to get to where you want to go then that's cool that's fine like i'm sure i've used people to get to where i need to be Like I'm sure of hey, can I get a TikTok or can I have you on my podcast for this or whatever else? And maybe that's been seen in an element of potentially using someone. So I think it's always a push and pull. But there's definitely some people that are a lot worse than others. But it's also easier to clock it now, I think. Sure. At the core, what do you think, how does that make you feel at the core?

Aside from like, oh, man, you know, good business here, here and there. Because, I mean, I don't think anyone likes to feel transactional and everything. nowadays is like, I'm only going to do something for you if you scratched my back. Yeah. And to me, that's hard for me to wrap my mind around a lot now. Thank God, I mean, I'm a Christian now. But beforehand, that's how my life was. It was just I'm only going to help you out if you scratch my back or things like that.

Do you feel like that's affected the way you see yourself and view yourself? Yeah, for sure. I think that when I first came to L.A., there was a lot of that. And I was super, like, blind to it. And I think now it's just it's a part of growing. I think it's a part of growth is that if I didn't recognize that or if you didn't recognize that, like you wouldn't be able to be like, okay, well, I don't miss. Like I don't want those people around me.

You'd always just be inviting the wrong people around. Yeah. So I think that it's such an important part of growth and such a like you've got to fall, you've got to stumble to figure out how to keep growing. So yeah, it definitely never makes me feel good. Like when with these recent friends that I've recently cut off, Like I remember I got them verified on Snapchat. I was helping them get brand deals.

I was making them a ton of money and getting them excited about social media and posting and taking it like moving forward with that stuff. And then when they didn't text me or check in with my dad passed, I was like, oh, you're actually, that was the whole time was just transactional or you just use me when you, until the next good thing came along. And that's what sucks the most. But I think now it's made me love being alone a lot more like being in my apartment and not going out and also understanding that I don't owe people anything.

I don't want to give them my energy. So now my core group of dudes, they're all, they've all got their own abundance. They're all like really good guys and they've all got their own things moving forward. Like one of my real, real close friends, this guy, Gianni, I've never actually seen someone speak so highly of me in so many rooms that I'm not in. And this has been like the most incredible eye-opening thing is like I just, I was like, oh, I love doing that for other people and the fact that this guy will just go out of his way. Yeah.

Like, because I'm, I've done a few movies now and I'm trying to move into acting and stay away from the reality show stuff. Because it is, it's super toxic. It's not, doesn't fulfill me. But I told my friend Gianni that he's a very successful actor. And he just has gone into so many rooms and connected me with so many people that can help this dream with no like, like, nothing from me. It's just like a friend. And I'm like, wow, this is, this is really special. And also, like, he's the funniest guy I've ever met.

So, like, he's, yeah, he's definitely full life. So I guess I'm trying to look for more people like that, but also just try and be more of that as well for those people. Yeah. Dang, that's super encouraging. No strings attached. Yeah. That's a nice way to live and have friends.

Yeah. So I think you know I'm a Christian. Yeah. What do you think about Jesus? What have you heard about Jesus? What's your perspective of it? I know you mentioned earlier. You think there's something out there and you want to learn more.

you said you did spiritual retreats trying to find your way what do you think about jesus i think that um i don't know enough about any of it to be honest like though i i one of my friends hope she is um she's super religious and she was kind of telling me about it because i'm just curious i'm like like how did you start because she only um converted like i don't know if that's the right words so don't get me up um like a year ago and i'm like what do you do like how do you go into it because I'm I'm not like I was like I'm not gonna sit here and read a Bible or Quran or all this stuff if like I was like I don't know what I what I want and I also don't know what like interest me

and she said we you know her words were Jesus is like standing there at the door knocking you just have to open it and you just have to start those conversations whether that's like talking to yourself or trying to talk to him or whatever else so I don't know I don't know where he is or what he looks like or how he's hanging or if he's got any time for me but I'm very curious to learn about it. Yeah, well I can tell you 100% he's got all the time in the world for you dude he's got all the time in the world for us. I think that's my favorite first appeal to Jesus as a whole because we think that God is all powerful and all knowing but he wants to spend intimate time with me. So all the millions of people on the world and yet God is madly obsessed with me and it's the same way

that's the same perspective of view. There's millions of people in the world but God's madly obsessed with Harry. So that makes me feel super special from a God that's super all-powerful that inherently doesn't really need me. But he's like, I'm really obsessed with you and I love you and I made you for me. So that's my first appeal to Jesus is like he just loves me a lot. And that's what he is. And I think, you know, I grew up in the church and I grew up in a state where Christianity is a very dominant religion. I went to a Christian school. But I had a lot of issues with Christianity and religion because the way that Jesus was portrayed to me was if you listen to God, he loves you, and if you don't listen to him, he hates you. Yeah.

And that's it. Have fun. And the same guys that were trying to force me how to live my life, they were doing the total opposite of what they were telling me to do. Yeah. And so I was just kind of like, what is going on? This is kind of crazy. So I just didn't like anything to do with it. And a lot of close people in my life that claim to love God, just their actions reflected that they didn't really know God.

So I associated those actions with God's awful and he sucks. Yeah. And I didn't like it. So I just lived a majority of my life just hating Christianity, hating God, hating anything to do with religion. But I think I mentioned earlier, I struggled with a lot of depression and anxiety. And so it got to a point where I was trying to figure out how do I solve this stuff. Yeah. And a lot of people told me you need some religious structure in your life, Bryce.

And maybe you'll find some satisfaction and your depression will get. cured. So I was looking into everything. I was looking into Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, just whatever I could grab onto. And nothing ever worked. And I have tons of friends that are Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic. It was great. I looked into everything. And all of these things, it was just like either, you know, we'll talk about your dad in a little bit where he's just like, kind of goes all black. I had the same reaction you did. I was like, that's no fun. Yeah. Like that makes me feel kind of crappy. Me personally, like, go like nothing happens after this and then it's lame yeah it's super lame that's what i told my dad i was

like i want to have something brother like come on like tell me okay there's going to be like fairies and flowers i'm like just something would be cool yeah it's like i don't want to i think that was the the most exciting about this like coming to see you is that like i don't know like i would just it would make me feel better to even if it's not true or even if it is true it makes me feel better knowing that my dad is somewhere. Sure. Better or worse. I don't know. He's probably an oldie boy. Well, I am too. I'm awful.

And a lot of these other religions, like all of them, you have to work for something. It's like in Islam, I respect all my Muslim friends because they give alms to the poor and they pray so much. They do a lot of things that Christians are supposed to do and they do significantly better than a lot of Christians do. And they're super devout in their faith but they're working to please their god and hinduism and buddhism it's like let me do enough good to reach enlightenment and i was just at this point of self-reflection of going my heart's so broken and i live in this crazy world i could never in my life work to perfection if i can't even fix my broken heart right now wow so i just felt really hopeless and so when i was 17 i was

planning on taking my life and not because i wanted to die but you know to depression and anxiety, it sucks. Feels like an incurable disease. And so I went to a waffle house. Have you ever been to Waffle House? Dude, I got to take you. Is it good? Yeah, it's amazing. What do they make waffles? Yeah, they can like, they're like literally like sneeze on your food and it tastes so good. Really? Yeah, it's, it's kind of like, yeah, I don't even know how to explain it. There'll be like a motorcycle on fire in the parking line. You just know you're at home. You know, like it's like, it's like super awesome. So if you ever want to go, I'll take you. That's heaven for you. Yeah. Yeah, it is heaven. That is heaven. Waffle houses. And so I went, it was the only thing open on Christmas, December 25th, 20, 20, I'm going.

It's packed. And so I sit down with this guy and I'm just eating my last meal essentially, like almost like a death row meal. And no one in there had anything to do with Christianity, had anything to do with God. This guy that I sat down with was complaining about his life. He's like, my wife's leaving me. She's divorcing me. She's taking my kids. I'm losing everything.

And he's freaking out on me. This is grown man. He's like double my age. And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm 17 years old. You're complaining to me. I came here to escape my problems one last time. I'm thinking like, you have no idea what's about to happen to me when I leave this building.

And I wasn't listening to really anything he said. And I just remember vividly he said, I love my wife, but she just does not feel the same about me. There's no growth in a relationship if the love isn't mutual. And when he said that, it was like all of time just stop. and I had this supernatural understanding

and all these Bible verses were popping up in my brain some that I had learned when I was a little boy in church some I'd never heard before and all of this knowledge that I gained just from being a good Bible student at my Christian school because I'd take a Christian class it was like the it was making sense to my heart the brain 18 inches between my head of my heart

were finally connecting and it was understanding and things like that so I start weeping and uncontrollably and everyone's freaking out because it's like this old guys with this really young kid and he's crying and like what's going on in this restaurant and what is yeah like super crazy setting and i throw money on the table and i leave and i get in my car and i'm sitting there and i go okay jesus if you're really real take away my anxiety and depression because i'm going to take my life that's why i want to take my life and i haven't had depression or anxiety since that day wow and so that began my who is this jesus guy because that's who

I asked to take it away and he took it away. And so then I began to read the Bible, not because I felt like God was going to condemn me, but because I wanted to get to know him. And so then my whole perspective of religion shifted of beforehand, it was Christianity as a cage of rules. And now it's like the Bible isn't this cage of rules, but it's like a love letter God wrote to me to show me like how I can live my life. And a lot of my answers are in here and that God designed me for a purpose. I was made on purpose. for a purpose and changed my whole perspective of how I saw myself and who Jesus really was. And that's why I love Jesus compared to all these other pathways. It's because instead of me working my way to perfection, Jesus, who is perfection,

he humbled himself and became a human. And then he lived in the same crazy wicked world that we live in. So when Bryce is going through a hard time, if anyone understands me, it's going to be God himself because he went through the same crazy world. And then he died for me. Wow. And that's why I asked for like what your definition of love was because the Hebrew word for God's love, it's like sacrificial love to lay your life down for someone.

Wow. And it changed just everything because I thought love was a feeling or the chemical reaction in my body or the butterflies I get or the booze that hits my system or the drugs that make me feel all loopy and things like that. And God's like, no, love is a choice. and I chose to lay my life down for you. Yeah. And so that was how my perspective of Jesus changed.

It kind of threw off my course of love. And he became my hope when I was hopeless. And so I think Jesus offers a lot of hope to people that feel hopeless or that don't have a purpose and think that they're an accident and things like that. And so was there any of a doubt like after that when you're like, oh, take away my anxiety or whatever else? Did you the next day, like, what was the next day like? And was there at any point where you're like, oh, I don't know how I feel about this.

Because obviously you grew up around it, someone who hasn't had any experience in it at all. Yeah. How could I be like, hey, because obviously my brain is like, there's, like, I haven't seen it. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know what the signs are. Like when I was talking to my friend about it, she was like, oh, you just have to listen and then talk inside you about it. And then he'll show up.

And I'm like, so my intuition. She's like, no, no. So then I'm like, okay, well, now I'm even more confused. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what I'm looking for, but I'm trying to find it. Yeah, for sure. I think doubt's always going to come because, like, I was telling Adamness when we were talking the other day.

Like, no one can blit, like, you can't prove to me that I love you or you, and I can't prove to you that you love me. Like, we can't prove anything inherently. We just met, so. Right, right. We did. We did just me. So I guess right.

I can't prove, like, you just can't prove anything 100%. Yeah. So when people ask. to like prove God exists. I'm like, I can't prove to you that God exists. Yeah. Because he's a supernatural being. Okay. But there's evidence that points to truth.

And so what is the overwhelming evidence that he exists? So there's this part of faith that's kind of logical. Okay, is Jesus really who he says he is. Yeah. What does history say about Jesus? What does the Bible say about Jesus? And then there's the other part of why people believe things because people believe things for logical reasons.

And then they believe it for experiential reasons. So I initially rejected Christianity because it was misrepresented to me. And I'm like, this sucks. God can't be this way. And now that I'm a Christian, I kind of understand like, okay, like, I can meet a lot of people in L.A. and they could tell me about Harry Joussey. People would say, if anyone's bringing up my name, block yours. Block your ears.

Especially if it's a girl, I'll be in trouble. Well, I can tell you firsthand from the conversations that we've had, you're a very delightful human being. Oh, thank you. And if I wanted to get to know Harry, you're close. friends could fill in the picture about you people in LA whatever who it may be could fill in the picture yeah but I would never really know who Harry Jousy is unless I sit down and hang out with Harry Jousy and it was like all these people were telling me who God was to them to the people that said

they loved God and their actions didn't prove it God really didn't mean anything to them yeah and so I was like oh this is who God really was but then it was like let me see for myself who Jesus is and so that's why I was reading the Bible and reading these accounts so you have like the gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John which are eyewitness accounts of Jesus's life. Wait, who are these guys? Where did they come from? So they're his followers.

They're his disciples. I was like, would you just, no. That's Matthew. Ask any questions. Any question you have, like clarify. I was like, damn. It's cool. So whereas like, you know, you have all these religions where it's like, you know,

God spoke to me and I didn't want like God and flesh, Jesus. We believe that Jesus was both a human, fully human, and fully God at the same time. Which is super cool. So in a sense like people tell Jerry, tell Harry, I said, come in, combine your first and last name. That's good. They tell Harry how to live his life. Yeah. And they don't do it themselves.

You're like, that's kind of like hypocrisy. You're like, why would you tell me to do something you're not doing? Well, Jesus isn't trying to force Bryce or Harry to live something. He doesn't do himself. So when Jesus was on earth, he said out of its lips, he said, I didn't come to be served, but to serve. So Jesus shows us that the very thing that he calls us to do is. is possible. So he lives it.

He serves people. He loves people. He challenges people. He does those very things. And that's a beautiful thing for me to know. Like, okay, there is a God who can do these things. So, like, super powerful. And on the day that Jesus is supposed to be betrayed, like, think about this.

On your very last day, if you knew, like, today was your last day, what would you do? In my mind, I'd probably, like, go to Six Flags. hang out with loved ones, like eat some good food, whatever it may be. Well, Jesus washed the guy's feet that was going to hand him over to Rome to be crucified. He washed his feet? He washed his feet. He washed his feet. He was going to foot finish?

What's going on? Well, the feet. I would do that too. Yeah. Sucks some toes. The feet were the dirtiest part of someone's body in that time period. So, like, to enter into a home, you had to wash someone's feet and clean their feet. And so Jesus, who is God in that time, he's a rabbi.

He's a teacher. He's teaching the disciples. He's teaching people about the kingdom of God, right? You would never ever in your life. So Jesus was a Jewish man and Jewish rabbis, Jewish teachers, they would never wash anyone's feet because it was the dirtiest part of their body. But Jesus being a Jewish rabbi in that time period, for him to wash the disciples' feet,

the people that he's teaching, for him to wash their feet is a big deal in that culture. Wow. So we have to understand the culture of this time period. Like the fact that the teacher essentially is washing the students' feet, big deal. And it's the dirtiest part of their feet. Wow. And so if you, do you know anything about the story of Jesus?

Like anything? Nothing at all. I know you said you didn't grow up over on it, but. No, I just know there was some lambs and some stuff. And some, now some dirty feet. Yeah, it's some dirty feet, man. It's getting crazy over that. So you got, yeah, dude.

It's like, yeah, right. So you got. They should write a book. So basically. So there's, you got like, um, God, right? an all, all powerful God. And he's existing and he creates humankind for himself.

So he didn't need anyone, but he chose to create man and female because he wanted us to worship him. He literally wanted to spend time. But the respectful thing about God is he gives us a thing called free will, which is he gives us the choice to follow him or not. So when he creates Adam and Eve in the garden, he gives them control over the animals, creation, everything. But he's not for,

forcing them to follow him. So there's this moment in the garden. We have the creation story in the Bible, which basically tells us how everything went down, how everything came about, how the earth came about. We believe God created everything. And he created male and female. He created animals.

He created the trees, the ocean, everything. And in this particular part of the story, Satan comes in the garden. And he's like, hey, if you eat from this tree, God told you not to eat from. They had dominion over all of creation, but God said, just don't eat from this one tree, okay? And that's it.

It's the knowledge of good and evil. And Satan goes, he doesn't want you to eat from that tree because you can be better than God. Wow. And he plants it in their ear. And so Adam and Eve are like, dude, heck yeah. Pride, first sin we ever see. They disobey God. And because of disobedience to God, there's this curse over the world called sin.

So that's why stuff is crazy going on. That's why evil and suffering exists. That's why when Harry was four years. old, no one taught Harry to be selfish and not share his toys. That was just in you. That was your nature. And so because of disobedience, because man in the garden initially said, I don't want anything to do you. I want to be better than you. They fell for the trap and this curse called sin into the world. And sin separates us from God. And because of sin, we deserve death. It's like a justice system. If I murder Harry, I'm going to go to court and I've got to be held. And I've got to be

accountable for my actions. In the same way, we disobeyed God, we're held accountable. And that may seem hopeless, but the beautiful thing about it is, is God loved us enough because he saw an infinite debt, like your finite, limited, sinful human beings, and I'm perfect, and you can't pay the price. So I'm going to lay my own life down for you to pay the price. So that's why God humbled himself and became a man, Jesus, and he lived this perfect life. And so when you hear this story, I don't know if you've heard about Jesus dying on the cross, but that is a necessary thing because he is paying the price with his life.

So because of sin, we deserve death. That's the punishment, death. What does that mean? Have I already sinned? Like, how bad am I? Am I cooked? Well, we're all cooked.

Oh, no. Even you? You know, I'm cooked. Oh, no way. But there's a cool thing. It's like, there is hope. So it's not like, hair is worse than me

and I'm just this perfect saint. Like, I send every day. Yeah, I hope he doesn't interview any of my ex-girlfriends because then I'm done. Then I'm definitely going to go to join Satan. Does that, when you hear this stuff, does it make you feel like kind of, how does it make you feel? Does it make you feel? I just feel curious because it's like, I think, you know, you have so much passion and knowledge about this stuff. I don't know anything.

So I'm just curious about it. And like, I had this guy, Tyler Henry on my podcast who's a psychic medium. I'm curious about your thoughts on those people that can connect. Is that real in your world? Or is that just like those people? Like how does it work? Because I was talking to my, a few of my friends who are religious

and they were like, that's scary. Stay away from that. I'm like, well, he's a really good guy. I love him. And it was a great conversation. So like I,

and not him, but it was more like mediums in general. Sure. What are your thoughts on that? For sure. Well, I think when you look at the Bible and you look at Christianity,

it says that Jesus is the bridge. So he's the bridge. So we have direct access to God. God. And when Jesus dies on the cross, he pays the penalty. Like I said, we deserve death, but Jesus pays the price. And so the prerequisite for heaven, essentially, or prerequisite for becoming friends with God is believing and putting your faith in Jesus. That's it. So instead of Bryce muscling up the strength to work to get into heaven, it's no, my faith's in Christ because he did all the work for me. Perfection, paid the price. Boom. That's it. And when Jesus ascended into heaven, he defeated death.

That's the important part of Christianity is if all Jesus did was die, he'd be the same as you and me. So what makes him super special? He resurrected from the dead. 500 people saw Jesus in his physical body erased from the dead. So he died on the cross.

Rome, history, I'll get to your question in a second. They poked him in the side and water spilled out of his side indicating that he was dead. That's what happens. They literally buried his body. So he went to the morgue, essentially. Buried his body.

Three days later, his tomb's empty. massive rock that it takes a bunch of people to move is just open and the guards like what the head just happened where this guy go raised from the dead and 500 people saw jesus raised from the dead in his flesh so he defeated death wow it's crazy so there's like a lot of historical evidence eyewitness accounts of jesus did these things and it's super cool so when it comes to like the psychic mediums thing it's god calls us to access his holy spirit so he doesn't leave us hanging when Jesus ascends into heaven, he says, I'm going to return a second time and finish this once and for all. But he goes, I'm going to give you this thing called the helper, the Holy Spirit.

And he basically teaches us things, brings us conviction. Conviction is like, I just did something. I feel weird about doing that. I probably shouldn't do that again. Let me change my actions. Let me change my mind, things like that. So the Holy Spirit teaches us things and brings us conviction. So anytime we access something outside of the Holy Spirit, it's like in rebe. value against God. So essentially like if like manifestation for something for example. That's like your own willpower. Like I'm going to manifest something. This, this, and that. And in my opinion, that's dangerous because when I was a little, I used to pray, God, give me an Xbox for Christmas. Even though I hated God, God, please give me an Xbox for Christmas. Please. I never got an Xbox. And partially like, come on,

mom and dad. But the other part is like, it's like the other part is like, huh, why like didn't, God didn't answer my prayer. No, not necessarily. God answers our prayers, just sometimes he answers it in the way that we don't want it to be answered. And I think I ask God for things that I want, but the Bible tells us that he always takes care of his children. So God will give me things that I need, not always that I want. So I think in manifestation, we might say,

I'm going to manifest that I get a lot of fame and I get a lot of money, for example. And out of your own willpower, I believe that stuff will happen. But how do we know it's not going to crush you? How do we know the money's not going to kill you and things like that? So I believe that like the Bible teaches us that anything outside of the Holy Spirit would be considered demonic, which is just essentially something in total opposition to God to clarify the definition. Yeah, I was like, that's a very scary word. Yeah, I love the manifest to write down my goals. And so, but to not scare you like manifestation is like you can basically manifest anything that Harry wants.

But how do we know it's not going to crush you, kill your spirits and things like that? So if I had a lot of money, Bryce would be the most prideful guy on the planet. I'd be the greediest guy on the planet. things like that now money isn't inherently sinful the bible says that when you love your money more than you love god big issue there that's just an idol and so but how do you like with prayer though if you're praying like hey i would love to reach more people and is that not kind of manifesting as well because like when i manifest i'm like well this is my goal this is where i envision myself like i do a series like visualization like i feel myself in that environment and then go from there it's not like hey i need a new

car tomorrow, whatever else, but isn't it kind of similar or is it not similar at all? Like, manifestation is out of your own willpower. You're trying to force it happen. When I pray, I'm basically asking God. Like, hey God, so Jesus gives us how to pray in the Bible. And he says, in the Lord's prayer, it's not, you know, you don't have to pray every time. But he basically says, your will be done. And so essentially when I pray, I say, hey, God, if it's in your will, like if this is okay like can you let this be if not totally okay

and I think we have to live open handed with those things so when I pray I thank God for who he is I thank him for allowing Jesus to pay the penalty because if Jesus didn't die and resurrect I wouldn't be able to be friends with him I wouldn't be able to be in heaven with him I thank him I praise God

like God you're awesome you're amazing and then there are things in my life okay God this thing happened it really sucks I'm having a hard time right now like prayer doesn't have to be this like lofty thing like, oh, God. And you know what you do it? Yeah, what do you ease into it?

I pray to God like we're talking. Oh, really? Yeah. So I had some, so like, last week I had this awful thing happening. I did not handle it any way to all, but my wallet was stolen. And I was like, I literally go, this is how I literally started my prayer. God, are you kidding me? This could not be happening right now.

I've got a flight to catch in six hours. My IDs in there. I don't even care about the money. This is that blah, blah, blah. I'm getting angry. And I love that about God Because he wants us to come to him with everything I'm sad man God this thing's making me so upset right now

God I'm super happy God wants to be with us in the highs and the lows But I thank God I try to praise him And thank him there's oftentimes I pray and I go God are you kidding me What the heck man Like blah blah blah And even in those frustrated heated moments

I'm thinking more about myself than I am God Like I need my wallet now But are you sitting down on your bed like this Or are you running around the room Like I don't I'm driving I'm driving and I'm in my head In your head? Yeah, I'm just driving praying my head.

Sometimes I pray out loud. Okay. I personally like to, obviously when I'm driving, I'm not closing my eyes. You should do it. Right, right. I close my eyes while I'm driving and praying. Yeah. But in my bedroom, I like to close my eyes because I get distracted easy and things like that.

And so, like, I think that there's, you know, what does it look like? Just talking to God. God is an all-knowing God, so he knows how you're feeling. So why not express it to him? That's a crazy thing. God knows everything, but he loves it when we share that with him. It becomes more personal. We become closer to him.

But when we pray for things, we're not demanding for it to happen, whereas in manifestation, it's kind of like you're almost demanding it. It's like, I'm visualizing myself here. Okay, I am going to do this thing. I am going to have this. I am going to be this. Or it's like, okay, God, I desire this thing. Not all my desires are good.

I recognize that. And so, God, please guide me in this thing. Do you trust me with this? Okay, good. Do you know, whatever. And let it be so. And, you know, sometimes when I don't get what I want, I'm a little frustrated. but I don't understand.

And, you know, like if I'm driving and I'm in a rush and every red light I get to just turns red immediately and it's slowing my drive down and I get frustrated. I'm like, oh, what's happening? But what if God's protecting me from an accident that's happening a mile down the road? And if I was in my rush and I ran the red light or things like that or you know what I mean. So it's like it offers a different perspective to our life and things like that for sure. what so what what are like your what what are you do you have any concerns with jesus do you have any like issues with what anything i just think it's like the lack of knowledge and um that's i guess with anything right like going to the gym if you don't know what you're doing you're probably not going to

enjoy it you're probably not going to be there right so i think my only the only thing i know is that like hey you have to go to church on sunday and whatever else and i'm like well i don't know what I'm into. So what, I'm going to commit to this random church or this thing over here and commit to this friend? And then what if I'm like uncomfortable because it's a little bit overwhelming? Sure. Whatever else?

I think that's just the biggest thing is I've just, you see this massive book and people like, oh, you should read it. It's the Bible and learn these verses or whatever else. I'm like, that's just the commitment into something that I'm not sure if I know or I'm excited about is kind of scary. I think with, I guess, and that comes with anything, right? Yeah. Like, even with reality TV or social media, all this stuff, it's like, well, if I don't know enough about it, I'm a little bit scared, a little bit nervous.

That's why with my friends who are religious, I just ask some questions because I don't know when I'm ready or I guess when he's going to show up for me or when it's going to work. Like with the retreat that I did to learn a little bit more about it, like my friend just told me like if it flows and if it happens, it's meant to be and it will be. And that's kind of what happened. And maybe that was a version of God showing up and being like, well, You're meant to go do this. You're meant to connect. Because I had lost three friends to suicide at that point. So I'm like, I just need a reason to see them or I need a reason to talk to them.

And that was the best way to kind of disconnect from L.A. and this crazy world and to try and reconnect with them and reconnect myself, I guess. But I don't know. I think it's like a lack of knowledge and also a lack of understanding. Because when you're talking about prayer and whatever else, like, I've never done it. I've tried. And I remember, do I sit there? this and then I mean again you're in your head and you're worried and you don't know um but to your

point like no one's ever explained it to me like hey what's different like for everyone and um and it just has to make sense to you yeah yeah i don't know i it's just uh it's again it's just a curious thing that's why i'm here because i for sure losing my dad i'm like i just i've got to believe in something because if i don't what am i going to tell my kids because i remember when i was a kid and i was young i'd always run into my My mom's, well, of course I was young when I was a kid, when an idiot. I'm like, wait, why am I talking? Though I remember when I was young, I'd always run into my mom's room.

I'd cry. I'm like, I'm so scared to die. Like, I'm so afraid. And she's like, well, you know, I'm going to go before you. I'm like, no, don't do that. I was like, I don't want to feel this. Yeah. So I guess, yeah, when I have a family, I'm always just, I'm just being mindful of the future.

And like, because I like to be super optimistic. And I like to be excited about things. things. And I guess that's always been the thing that I'm not excited about because I don't know and I don't know what happens. And for sure, I guess, yeah, once my dad did pass, there was like little signs and things. And then I'm like, well, is that him or is that God or is that, am I just deliberately looking for angel numbers or this or that? So, yeah, I think, uh, well, I think when you said your dad was like, it goes all black and we kind of had the same reaction. We're like kind of, what the heck? Yeah. It make, when I, when I discovered that, like, oh, it just

goes all black. to me, that makes me feel like my life had no purpose at all. And it's like, what, what differentiates me from Hitler, essentially? Like, you know, Hitler was insanely intense, did some awful things. And it's like, but we, it just goes black. So there was no purpose. And when I think of that, it kind of made me hopeless, essentially. Yeah.

So I think that makes Jesus offer the hope. And when I became a Christian, there were some things. that I had been doing a lot of my life and behaviors that were in total contradiction to what Jesus was telling me to do. And it's like everything that the world exalts, Jesus is like exalting the total opposite of that. And so I thought God's a cosmic buzzkill, man. He doesn't want me to have fun. Yeah, what? But I realized like, oh, he's not a cosmic buzzkill. God created humans with an original design. And that original design was to love him and worship him. And Jesus says that the greatest commandment is to love God and love people.

Love him first and then love the people that he created. And so I thought God was this cosmic buzzkill, but I realized like these things that I was doing all my life, they weren't benefiting me. They were things that I thought I wanted. They were not good. When I started living a life that was obedient to Jesus' teachings and things like that, I began to live a richer, more fuller life, is how it felt.

When you talk about your dad, I want to kind of talk about that and kind of talk about your experiences with that. I mean, losing a loved one. I mean, I can't imagine how hard that was, how hard of the time it was. Does, uh, tell your parents and not die. Yeah, like come on. Yeah, keep it together, brother. Keep it.

Come on, guys. Uh, do you feel like how has, how has suffering just in general seeing suffering or someone close to you like that? Um, how is that affected you? And does that warp your perspective of a God that? claims to be good? Well, I think the, so the story with my dad was, he went through with assisted dying. So he was, he had bowel cancer and a magnitude of other things that was going on. And it was a really intense experience because we were all there and we all watched him go to

the other side. Yeah. And it's, it's only just hit two months that since we were all there for that. And it's been like, and this last week has been very, interesting because I've been sitting down with friends and the the topic has come up and it's been really like intense and I haven't really thought about it and it got it was really like tough because with that grief especially with a loved one I just like put it to the back of my brain and like I don't want to look at photos I don't want to think about it I want to be on and I want to be happy and all this and all these good things 24 seven but what I realize with this type of grief like when you lose a friend or whatever else like that that hurts that sucks like yeah

losing those people to suicide. That was the hardest thing. But then watching my dad die, that was the most traumatic, intense human experience I've ever, ever encountered. And it's weird and it's tough. Like how I explain it on my podcast was that it's kind of like

you were standing at the beach and the waves, the tide keeps going in and out. The waves will hit you. Some days the tide goes all the way out. You don't really feel it. But then at night, the tide knocks you over. Yeah.

And that's how it's been. is like the i just keep feeling these like waves of emotion come over me but um watching someone take their last breaths is it was a beautiful beautifully sad situation like i i wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else in the world but i also didn't want to be there like i really did the hardest thing was watching that but the fact that i got to tell like i had a whole speech that i told my dad i was holding him i was with him looking him in the eyes crying told him everything that I wanted to tell him before he went over to the other side. And then all my siblings and some of their kids and his friends got to say some stuff.

The beautiful thing was my sister told me, she's like, if you hold their feet, you get all their magic powers. So I was holding my dad's feet. And I was like, okay, got to give me, come on, give me everything. Because you're not taking it because apparently he's going to go dark. So it's sausage. But I remember just sitting there holding his feet and then because it's a drink. He took the drink. So there's two options.

with the sister dying. First option is an IV and they'll inject you with this stuff and it kind of puts your lights out within a minute. But the drink is meant to take 10 to 15 minutes, but because of the state that my dad was in and he hadn't been eating the past couple months, it kind of hit him pretty quick. So it's meant to be beautiful and they go to sleep and then they slowly like stop breathing. But my dad snores, especially when he's sleeping that deep. And that was the hardest thing because the snores were so.

loud and you really you don't want them to stop but you really do want them to stop and watching his head fall back and then the breasts get bigger and bigger and then slow down that was really really difficult but the beautiful thing about the new zealand culture and where we grew up was that uh my sisters had a whole spiritual ceremony for him again like we all we all have different beliefs we didn't know what we believe in we didn't we just know there's something there and all we want to believe that there's something there because it's going to make us feel better. For sure. So when we're in the hospice, my sister and my brother washed his body.

They had an elder come in and put essential oils on, I guess, good spots in his body. I don't know where. Hopefully not naughty spots. But they washed him, got him ready. And then myself, my brother-in-law and a few other men came back and put his body in the coffin. And that was top 10 hardest things ever. because this guy was just smiling and laughing with us. And the hardest thing was like his, oh, actually, I'll tell you the, you'll probably enjoy this and maybe you might have a definition for it or be able to help explain it a little bit better.

But when my dad was saying that, hey, like, it's going to go black, well, I came back to the body after a few hours and my sisters and stuff and my brother let me just sit with him for a while. and I remember just going to my dad like dude just tell me that there's something on the other side like can you just I was like can you make a bird hit the window can you blow out one of these candles can you have a tree fall over like I was I was yelling at him I'm like can you just make me believe that there's something because I don't know I'm like I do and I but I want to I want to have something I want to know that you're here with me and nothing happened and so So I laid on his chest and I gave him a big hug and the hardest thing is remembering just how cold his face was. Like, you give your dad a hug and it's a warm.

You feel the stubble. And I was, oh, remember just any time I hug him, I feel that warm stubble. And then that hug, it was just so cold. Yeah. I was like, oh, this sucks. And there's nothing in it. It goes black. But as I pulled off, I checked my phone.

It was 4-44. I'm like, oh, okay, maybe that's something. Okay. And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to hold on to that. that was a first sign and then there was so when my dad passed so in New Zealand

they wear this greenstone it's called Pornamu and it has like a lot of I'm gonna butcher it and people in New Zealand I'm probably gonna get mad at me but it has like a lot of cultural meanings and heritage meanings and stuff

this is my dad's and he wanted to give it to me when he was going over the other side but he obviously fell asleep a little bit too quick so as he went back my sister put it on me but a part of the

tradition is you have to go wash it in like running water so like a creek or a river and um just wash the old energy off and get ready for uh new beginnings and a new chapter but as we were going to do this me and my brother-in-law we just kept getting lost and we couldn't figure out how to get to uh it's the second moldy um place it's called the rewaka source is where we went to wash it um it's like the it was the coldest water it came out of a glacier it was ridiculous but um we we kept getting lost trying to get there and then as we finally got on the right path i think the the navigation was um it was like 11 11 we're gonna get there and i remember go okay thanks dad like we're gonna we're on the right track and then i looked up and the number plate in front of us was like 4-4-4 and then we passed something else that said

four-for-four so i don't know is that what would you define that as because for me i was like okay it's my dad's higher self or someone telling me that i'm doing the right thing i'm on the right path. At least I was like the placebo of trying to look for something good and all this stuff. For sure. Yeah. I think, um, I don't, I don't know a lot. I've never really known a lot about angel numbers. So I can't really like speak to that. But I think first thing is like there is spirituality's real. Um, so there is a spiritual aspect of life. And my thing is I think that the Bible tells us that God reveals himself. Um, throughout all of creations that humanity is without excuse to believe in him.

And so I think that if anyone's going to interact with us from outside of the dimension we call time, space, a matter, it's going to be God himself because he's the ultimate powerful supernatural being. So I don't really know a lot about angel numbers. So I personally have never really believed in them and I can't like to speak on them. But I think the beautiful thing about God revealing himself in the grandest way is when we see something like that. and it was super traumatic for you and you watch your dad take his last breath essentially I watched my grandfather take his last breath

and that is a very hard thing to watch and to some extent the people that have never seen that you go you don't understand what that's like you'll never know how I feel and I'll never know how you feel because my dad's still alive and I've never lost my dad so first thing I want to say is like I'm sorry and that's hard and that sucks

and my like my condolences go to you and your family. But I think when I look at Jesus, he endured the suffering. And that's the grandest way that God reveals himself in literally becoming a human, so personal, and laying his life down for us. So Jesus took his last breath.

So if anyone's going to understand how you feel, it's him. He literally took his last breath. He laid his own life down. He experienced the ultimate suffering on the cross. And so that makes Jesus relate to us. empathize with us and give us peace. And so I think where, you know,

sometimes we try to find peace in other things, and life and this thing. Maybe I'll distract it with sports. Kind of you said, I want to put it to the back of my mind. I want to do this thing. Because that's what we do naturally with traumatic things or things like that.

The Bible tells us that Jesus will give us a peace that surpasses all understanding. Which means that like when we trust in Jesus, he gives us a piece that just doesn't make sense to our brain. It's crazy. So crazy. There have been moments of like high stress. So I hate airplanes.

This is totally different than death. And do you take your shut off when you go on the airplane? Yeah, all the time. Yeah, it gets naked. Yeah. And when I'm on the plane and the turbulence hits just a little bit, I freak out, dude. I freak out on the inside. And I travel all the time.

And so a couple flights ago, I'm like starting to freak out. And then all of a sudden, I just go, God, I need you right now because I don't like feeling this way. And just immediate peace. Wow. Whoa. Normally that stuff freaks me out, but immediate peace. When I lost my granddad, God, this sucks. But, man, thank you that you're the ultimate life giver.

Thank you that you give hope to the hopeless. Thank you that you came to set the captives free. God, thank you that when we put our faith and trust in you, we are united with you. God, thank you. just immediate peace. And I'm not going to lie, there are days that I wake up and I go, that was a sucky experience. And life gets hard.

And we often reflect on things that are hard sometimes. But the Bible tells us that God really does give us a peace that just doesn't make sense to our brain, but heals our heart. And I think that's so sick. How did you navigate losing your granddad and the loss and the grief with all that stuff with God? So I lost both my granddad. my first granddad when I wasn't a Christian and I just proceeded to blame God for suffering.

You suck. You killed my granddad. God. You're awful. Then I became a Christian. I realized God didn't kill my granddad. Cancer killed my granddad. And we can't blame God for suffering because God doesn't cause the suffering. So we have to understand that. Then when I lost my second, my other granddad, it was hard. There was lots of tears. Lots of days of confusion. I hope you cry. Yeah, lots of confusion, hardship.

Because in that moment, I watched my granddad, I take his last breath when I was a Christian, and it just didn't make sense to me. I kind of stood there, and I was like,

I've never seen anything like this before. Yeah. And it was just kind of shock. And then later that night, when I'm alone, I'm just crying and reflecting on memories and kind of the same response.

I don't want to see pictures. I don't want to think of memories. But aside from religion, like the cool thing about nostalgia is like you're thinking about things that you enjoyed. You're reflecting on good memories. So like, I encourage you like, keep remembering that stuff. That's awesome to have nostalgia and reflect on things that you enjoyed and reflect on moments that you enjoyed or your dad. Like, amazing. But it was hard. And there were days that I was

confused and things like that. But the Bible teaches us to trust in God. And sometimes when things just don't make sense, like my granddad was literally perfectly fine. And he had this, it was basically like a tiny cancer spot on his like thing. And he, They just, my family was like, it was kind of annoying him. Like pain, pain wise, it was like kind of annoying him. They were like, let's just go ahead and remove it. And as soon as he got done, it was just in a month, everything went downhill. It's crazy.

Out of nowhere. And so I was confused. Didn't know why. I don't understand. But what good can come out of something like that? Well, it drew me closer to Jesus, first of all, because he suffered. The second thing was it brought my family closer together. Oh, man, we just came around and ended up loving each other.

and my granddad was a man of faith. And through his life, I learned a lot of many things. I got to inherit his Bible that he had studied in for years and just every page is shredded with information and floods of wisdom and all these beautiful things. And he was a great example of what it means to be a man and what it means to love people well. And I learned that a lot. And it challenged me. And I don't think I have an extreme antidote of how to trust in God because sometimes I still

have a challenge. And, you know, you said earlier, do you doubt? Yeah, I have doubts sometimes. But, you know, I think the overwhelming evidence is like, Jesus really was who he said he was. And in him we can have faith and hope and be united with him in an eternal life. What about the best ways that, or I guess the most concrete ways that you think Jesus has shown up for you or, because you said at the start in your car and you're like,

I want to get rid of this anxiety and whatever else. But is there any other ways that you were? like, okay, this is this is the proof. Like this is everything that I ever needed right now. Like, where you're like walking along like, I don't know, like I just wish that this, I would get this or whatever else or this would happen.

And it just happened and a tree fell over or bird landed on your arm. Sure, sure. I wish I've had a bird land on our arm. I wish I had this stuff. Never had that happened. You got to ask. I do need to ask now. But I,

there's four main ways God reveals himself to be able. It's through his word. So like I said earlier, the Bible, we shouldn't think of it as a cage of rules, love later to us of how we were originally designed and how we should live and what sin does to us. Sin hurts us. Sin hurts God. And so when we live the way according to him, it's a beautiful thing. A lot of questions I have concerning God, there's Bible verses and scriptures that bring comfort, that bring knowledge of, okay, this makes sense or I shouldn't do this. I should do this.

His word, I think God can use people, right? So you said, I've never grown up around faith. And, man, I'm super grateful that you were curious and wanted to talk. and God's using me to hopefully bring some clarity about who he is and who Jesus is to you. So God could be speaking to you right now just through me, explaining who Jesus was, the necessity of his death and resurrection, creation, how everything came about, heaven and hell, whatever that is, whatever your questions are, through signs. I believe God does give signs.

Now, God doesn't have to because the Bible says that we can look at creation or like this house. And I can't say, it wasn't here yesterday, but today it's. here you'd be like stupid someone built it someone designed it there's a maker behind it so the bible says we can look at creation go there has to be an intelligent design intelligence there has to be a maker and then he revealed himself through through jesus by humbling himself and coming here and so whenever people say if jesus appeared to me right now i'd believe in him and i go well he did and people killed him and so right that's an that's probably doesn't want to do it again and yeah and so it's cool and through signs and people.

And so I think those are ways that he can reveal himself and in supernatural ways as well because he's a supernatural being. So those things are, you know, different ways. I haven't had anything like super crazy happen recently. I think Waffle House was like the most intense and I think that's a one of one.

But like bring you encouragement. There's this guy named Tim Keller. He was like a super, they called him a theologian, which is a fancy word for really smart at the Bible. Damn, I want to be a theologian. That's cool. Do it, man.

Do it. Can I just brand myself that? No, nothing? The more you learn about Jesus and the more you study. These are like guys that know everything like about the Bible and things like that and all these depth things. Wait, what's the difference between that and a priest then? I thought those guys knew everything. So like a priest would be considered like someone who is in a, is in like a pastoral role to shepherd and things like that.

So that's in Catholicism. The shepherds now as well? That's like a label. So a shepherd, it's like you lead people. Damn. You lead people. Pastors, sheep, everywhere. things like that. We are sheep. Literally. You know the Bible calls us sheep? Really? Yeah, yeah. So,

because it is because sheep are stupid. And the Bible tells us that Jesus is our shepherd. Wow. And so it's like without Jesus being our shepherd, we make knuckle-ed decisions. Bryce is stupid. I wander off and essentially am lost. But it shows, there's this Bible story where it says, there's a hundred sheep and the shepherd loses one. And I don't know about you, but in a crowd of like 100 people, and if one person was gone, I probably wouldn't notice. No idea. But it shows Jesus's intentionality. One leaves.

And normally we would just count the cost and say, oh, it's whatever. We got 99. But Jesus, the shepherd says, no, I've got to go find the lost sheep. So he searches high and low as the sheep wanders off and he finds the sheep. And he picks the sheep up and he brings it back and he rejoices. He goes, thanks be to God for I found my lost sheep. And why is that? He's showing the 99 sheep how important one sheep is.

Wow. So beautiful. We're valuable. And then there's another story under that where it's like, there's a woman who has 10 coins and she loses one coin and she searches high and low and sweeps the floor and dust. And she finds the coin and she rejoices for she has found a lost coin. We're the coin and we're deemed valuable in God's eyes. It's a beautiful picture of who we are. So when Bryce thinks on his own, Bryce is stupid.

Bryce makes no-coad decisions. And I'm not going to make any assumptions, but I bet when Harry thinks on his own and Harry makes them no-go- You don't think you just do. Yeah. We make a lot of stupid decisions. And so to know that, like, I can access God who's good, perfect, just, and powerful and he can help me make decisions. That's a beautiful picture. And I think that's super cool.

What are they called Psalms? Is that what it is? Psalms, yeah. What one should I read if there's any specific for me or like if I just skip or do I have to go through all of them? No, I think, I think. Is Psalms is just like a quote in the book. So Psalms is a book of the Bible. It's by the sky.

There's another one? Yeah. Oh my God. So the Bible, so they call it the Bible. And they're like, oh, it's one book, but it's a collection of books. Oh, my God. And the Psalms is written by this guy named King David. Now, in according to biblical context, King David was known as a man after God's own heart.

Extreme title, right? Super cool. Dude, I need this title. These guys got great branding. You want to know the cool thing about David is he was known as a man after God's own heart, but he committed adultery and then killed the woman's husband. how could that guy be a man after God's own heart? I mean, come on.

Like, really? I get it, though. You know, sometimes you're going to go off to your woman. And can I be like real for a second? Like, man, like, if there was like a screen above Bryce's head of all the nasty things I've done, all the things I've thought of, all the things, people would probably never talk to me again because in this society, people find out your junk and they're like, I don't want anything to do with you.

And so I can't make assumptions, but I bet there's a lot of people that maybe know things about you or whatever it may be and they distance themselves from you and they're like are you kidding me in their perception of you and that's who david is and there's two psalms that i love psalm 23 where he basically is relating back to this story that jesus tells of the lost sheep that we just said and david says the lord is my shepherd i shall not want he makes me lie down on green pastures he leads me besides still waters he restores my soul god restores david's soul and then he says this thing he says even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, when I go through hard times, when life sucks,

when Harry's having a hard time, when Bryce is having a hard time, it says, I will fear no evil for you are with me. Your rod and staff, they comfort me. And that comforts me because oftentimes I'm like, God take my problems away.

And the reality is, is God doesn't promise to take our problems away, but he promises to be with us through that, through the hard times, through the hardships. And so how does it feel when you go through hard times and your closest friends gathered around you? or you even described it earlier.

It sucks when you have a family member, a loved one pass away, and the people that claim to be your friends just weren't with you in that hard time. And like God, who's an all-powerful God, is with us in those hard times. And then there's another Psalm where it's called Psalm 51,

where basically David is writing about how his actions killing Best Sheba, which is the woman that he slept with, her husband, and committing adultery and doing all these nasty things. he's talking about how that sin, it crushes him and it makes him feel bad. But when he apologizes and confesses to God, God, I've sinned against you, I'm sorry, help me turn away from this. He says, my bones feel a pressure release, and I feel this joy, and I feel this peace and this comfort.

And I acknowledge that I did something wrong, but like, praise God that you forgave me and that you love me. There's no human being that's too far gone. So cool. Yeah. Like forgiveness is on the table for everyone. even the Jeffrey Dahmer's and the most intense people of the world, there is forgiveness from them. And that's the truth of the word is,

if someone comes to themselves and goes, I need someone outside of myself, Jesus. Thank you for dying on the cross. Thank you for forgiving me. And God, I confess with my mouth and I believe in my heart that you are Lord, that you really did die on the cross and resurrect. I believe in you. I'm putting my faith in trust in you.

I'm going to listen to you. God, thank you. And that's a beautiful picture of redemption. Like throughout history, there's this guy named Saul who literally killed Christians. He hated Christians. Would kill them. And then he had this life-changing moment and he became a Christian.

God encountered him. He became a Christian. And then he proceeded to die for the faith. And I think it's powerful. What about the super churches? I've seen a lot of those guys who are flying in like private jets and sure those priests. I'm like, dude, this is sick.

They make it crazy buddy. Sure. But I've had one of my friends or actually an ex-girlfriend. And she was the one he showed me this stuff. I want to know your thoughts on it. Because the super churches, they look like there's a massive concert. And then you see the priest or whoever's on the stage. And they just have all this money out of nowhere.

And I don't know, is that an abusive power? Like, how does it work? How do they have? Because I'm assuming it's from all these people donating. I don't know enough about it. But that's the only thing that I, when my ex was showing me this stuff, that was one of the only things I was thinking about. It was like, that doesn't seem fair.

No? Sure, for sure. Yeah, I can't necessarily label someone as being inherently sinful or not because only God knows a man's hard. I've been to, I've seen and been to mega churches, like we call them mega churches, really big churches that are just absolutely incredible. And then I've seen and been to some that just kind of make me question some things. And so Paul, the guy that I said used to kill Christians that became a Christian,

he writes about this. He says, you know, there are people that preach for selfish gain. And there are people that preach because they love God. And he goes, regardless, whatever the motive is, praise me to God that the truth is being shared. Wow. And so I think there's always going to be wickedness. There's always going to be these things in the world, whether it's a church, abusing people or manipulating people to get money and things like that or whether it's someone preaching because they actually love God.

You know, whatever it may be, praise me to God that the truth is being shared. And that even through the wickedness and through the crazy stuff, the gold can be found, which is Jesus. And so I think that's a powerful thing, but I can't necessarily label someone as like, this guy, this guy. You know, I'm not going to do that. But that stuff is out there. And does it teach you to not have judgment? Because I feel like you're the most least judgmental guy I've ever met.

Well, thanks. That's encouraging. Well, God's the ultimate judge. And so when people ask me, like, you know, how's God going to judge the earth? I have no idea. Like, I can't tell you that, like, this is that, blah, blah. Now there's things in the Bible that says, like, this is obedient to him. This is not obedient to him.

When we live our way, we live out of line of God's design. Sin is doing anything in total opposition to God in his original design, things like that. But there's this thing called grace, which is a gift that is given that isn't deserved. And Jesus shows Bryce a lot of grace. And the grace is that it's okay. There's forgiveness. You can change. but Jesus doesn't tolerate my sinful actions like he's going here's the grace i paid the price for you

there's grace there's forgiveness but when you turn to me you naturally leave these desires behind and so i think you know god teaches me to if you really are a christian you're following jesus god teaches you to see past the junk and look at the heart and believe the best in someone so this is how the bible describes love love is patient it's kind, it doesn't envy, it doesn't boast. This is my favorite thing. Love keeps no record of wrong. Damn. So when Jesus Christ died on the cross, the ultimate representation of love, he cancels the debt of every wrongdoing I've done. But the thing about Jesus's sacrifice is it's a free gift. The Bible talks, calls it a free gift. We have to receive it. We have to receive the free gift.

So it's packaged with a nice bow on top that says two blank from Jesus. But in order to order for us to receive the forgiveness, we have to actually receive it. We have to open the gift. And I think that's a beautiful thing is that imagine like how much pressure, right? Harry feels how people have seen him in the past, the knucklehead decisions he's done. Imagine how much pressure I felt, all the knucklehead decisions I've done, things like that, blah, blah, blah. And Jesus says, I will wipe your slate clean as if you've never done it if you put your faith and trust in me and receive my forgiveness. That's so cool. It was really cool. And so since I've done that, There are days where people still try to hold my past against me and things like that.

And sometimes it's hard. But to know that God sees himself in me rather than my junk because I've received as forgiveness is a powerful thing. Wow. So beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, man. Damn. Crazy.

Crushing it. Well, Jesus loves you a lot, do you? Like, it's super cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's super powerful. Do you, uh, have you ever heard of, like, I guess this is kind of like, last thing I want to, like, cover. It's like, have you ever heard of heaven and heaven?

is it scary do you have questions about that like i think you kind of explained it at the start like when religion was or christian energy was like christianity energy what am i saying but like when it was like brought up to you and you were like oh kind of afraid i think that's the only stuff that i've ever had to deal with was that if you do this wrong thing like you're a sinner you're bad whatever else i've done a lot of naughty things in my life like i've been a bit of a silly goose um but yeah so i think that was the only thing is just like always afraid and then it gets to a point where it's like okay well i don't want to believe in that because that's just too scary to deal with and i don't want to end up in a in a place i remember in high school though there was these girls that they said they

like sold their souls and like weird stuff like that and and i kind of believed it because like this one kid he like sold apparently to be like super popular at school and it was the most popular guy and apparently he like bought it back after he left school and yeah now no one knows where he is or what he's doing I don't know if you believe in any of that stuff, but that's the only thing growing up that I heard of and I'm like, this is too fucking up for me. Yeah, I got to get away. Intense stuff.

Yeah, I got to stay away from all this. Yeah, because I might end up selling my soul. There were these girls in high school that used to do witchcraft at my school and they were like, they came up to me because they saw like a clip of David Doberich talking about people selling their soul and they were like, did I sell my soul?

And they were freaking out. You can't sell something that's not yours to sell in the first place. So when people say sell your soul, this is how I think the Bible describes the selling your soul is copping out for things of the world rather than Jesus. So like compromising the morals of the Lord, the morals, the standards of God for the sake of yourself. So, you know, if, you know, as a Christian,

I was saying I love God and then to go back what you're saying, I'm going to manipulate the people that are his believers to give me more money so I can be rich and things like that. I'd be selling my soul, teaching them things that would twist their mind to give me more money, that's what I consider selling your soul but you can't necessarily like just sell your soul and there's no forgiveness for that

you can't like sell something that isn't yours to sell but with like heaven and hell a lot of people used hell as a fear tactic on me and there's like a part of it that's like kind of scary because it's like we have to be honest and be like okay hell is separation from God but hell is both a justice system and a choice

So it's kind of what I mentioned earlier at the beginning. Hell is a justice system in the sense that like we have to be held accountable for our actions. So Bryce murdered someone. Bryce goes to court. He deserves to go to jail because he murdered someone. But it's also a choice. The thing with hell is because God's love, because we love God out of genuineness, not because he's forcing everyone to believe in him.

He says, you have the choice to choose to follow me or not. If we choose to follow Jesus, it makes his heart glad. Praise God. You follow me. You love me. I grant your wish. heaven is an infinite amount of time with Jesus. So amazing.

But if we say, God, I don't want nothing to do with you. I want to live my life. I want to live my life how I want. Then it breaks God's heart, but God respects the choice that we make because he's not going to force anyone to follow him, force anyone to love him that doesn't love him because the love's not genuine.

And he allows people to choose a choice. He grants that wish and hell is an infinite amount of time, separated from him. And so at the same time, justice system, things like that. But this is a cool thing about the justicism. Imagine if all the things that you've done wrong stack against you on a list sheet and you're on trial.

I'm done. And it's like, this, this, that, blah, blah, blah. You deserve punishment. And then Jesus walks in the courtroom and goes, hey, Harry, I'll do your sentence for you. I got you. You go be a free man. That's my guy.

That's powerful. That's exactly what Jesus does. That's what his sacrifice, death and resurrection does is it cancels the debt. That's what forgiveness is. So if Harry punches me in the face, and I don't deserve to retaliate back and I forgiveness, I'm canceling the debt.

Wow. And so that's what the cross is. It's canceling the debt. But you have to receive the forgiveness or else you're held accountable. And so when Jesus does on the cross, he pays for everything. And that's a cool thing.

Have you ever even, have you ever heard anything about the story? Nothing or all? Can I tell you really quick before we end? Is that cool? Yeah. Do you think? Yeah. So there's this like, so Jesus is a Jewish man.

Everything kind of takes place in Israel. And they had this holiday every year in Jewish culture. called Passover. And every year on Passover, they had a tradition where they would release a prisoner that was on death row. And so Jesus is arrested. And they got this guy who's popular in the Roman government. His name's Pilate.

And he basically... Sick name. They're a super cool name, right? Pilot. Pilot's a cool dude. And he gets on the stage because they were trying to say that Jesus deserved to die for all this other stuff. And Pilot, he was just like, there's no evidence to kill him.

Like, I can't just do this. So to honor tradition of the Jewish holiday, he stands on the stage and he says, all right, guys, we release one prisoner. So here's your two options. You can release Jesus, son of God. And then you have this guy named Barabbas who had already been in jail. He was a rebel against Rome. He literally led a rebellion against Rome. And Rome put him in jail because he was trying to overthrow the government.

As you do. As you do. He was a murderer. There are some documents that said that he was a rapist. Wow. This guy's the worst of the worst. and if you got crucified in those times, it was because you were the worst of the worst of the worst.

And so on this stage in front of the crowd, he's saying, who do you guys want? Do you want Barabbas, the thug, the rebel, the murderer, who's got a list of stuff that he deserves to die for. He deserves the crucifixion. He deserves the chance or you want Jesus. All he's done is healed the sick, open blind eyes, open deaf ears, deliver people, set people free.

And the crowd chants, we want you to free Barabbas. kill Jesus. We want Barabbas. These people are cooked. They're cooked. So they go up, they unlock the chains. Barabbas is walking down. And all can think about is like,

you know, Barabbas walking down and going like, yeah, man, these people love me. Like going back to his thug friends and he's there. And all you can think is probably like the people set him free. But the people didn't set him free. The love of God set him free. The entire time that Jesus is being accused, he just stayed silent.

If I was being accused of things I didn't do I would have tried to beat the case I was like that's not me I didn't do this this isn't that But Jesus stayed silent because he knew That God had to treat Jesus like Barabbas So that Barabbas could be treated like Jesus Wow And so this is what happens to Jesus

He gets beaten 39 times And all the flesh on his back is ripped off So just muscles, tendons Through his back The Bible tells us and historical records tells us that Jesus' face was beaten so bad that he looked alien-like, that he was unrecognizable, it didn't even look like a human. And he was stripped naked, mocked publicly in front of everyone.

And he stays silent the entire time. And he's got nails driven through his wrists onto a piece of wood through his feet. And he's nailed and he's standing in front of people, naked, crucified, ripped, face, just mutilated and everything. And he's staying there suffering. And because he's God, he could have gotten down at any moment. moment. And I think of Jesus. I go, you know, there's people that choose not to follow Jesus. There are many people in history that have chosen to reject Christ. And why didn't Jesus go,

you know what, I'm done? You people are never going to follow me. There's nothing I could do. Why don't you do it? Why doesn't he get down? And the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ stayed stayed on the cross because there was a joy that was set before him. And when Jesus Christ mutilated, exhausted, flesh ripped off, crucified. All I can think about is Harry. All I can think about is Bryce. And how if he doesn't do this,

there is no gateway for me to be united with him. There's no way for me to have friendship with him. Wow. And he pays the price. And it's such a beautiful thing. He dies this death. The crucifixion is a picture of the death that we deserve because our rebellion and sin and wrongdoing

and wickedness towards God. That's what we deserve. And he takes the price. And in that time period, like a guy like Barabbas, if you were being crucified, you would prepare your cross so the wooden beams that Jesus was crucified to. So imagine like Barabbas preparing his own electric chair essentially. He's preparing it and things like that. And then Jesus steps in and takes the cross that Barabbas had prepared for himself. That's crazy.

Yeah. So the punishment I prepared for myself. Jesus died for. That's such a beautiful picture of love. No one's ever explained that. That's incredible. Yeah. I guess, and I never understood it,

but everyone's like, oh, Jesus died for your sins and all the stuff. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Like, that's incredible. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I'm super confident that if you, like, if you attempted to, like, follow Jesus,

essentially whatever that looks like, praying to God, reading your Bible, aligning, I believe this isn't just for you. I believe anyone would do this. Someone that doesn't know Jesus or that's curious about Jesus. If anyone prayed to God, read their Bible and tried to align their actions with what Jesus says is right and stay away from things that Jesus says is wrong. I believe that anyone would experience transformation,

would really experience who God is and things like that. Have you ever been to church? Like, when's the last? Never. Would you ever come to church if I invited you? Yeah, they'd be down? Yeah. Yeah, if they don't beat me up. They would never beat you up. They would never beat you up. That's so cool. Well, if I don't get thrown out as soon as I walk in, there might be an invisible barrier like oh this guy's bad well i think that's a cool thing about jesus is like last thing i'll say is because like uh the people that were all super religious the pharisees the guys that supposedly knew everything about god those were the people that jesus was talking to the most because they come up to him there's this one time where jesus is having a dinner with the tax collectors the people that

literally abused their power for more money prostitutes sinners the good old fashion law defilers the things that god said was good the ones that were in total opposition Jesus have a dinner with all these guys. And the Pharisees show up and Jesus does to go, oh crap, where's the back door? He doesn't like get embarrassed. He's proud to be there and he looks to them and they're like, what the heck are you doing to hang out with these guys?

And he looks at them and he says, The Healthy Don't Need a Doctor. Like when's the last time you've been healthy and you've called her doctor and going, hey, Doc, I need to come in. I'm feeling great. You never do that. No, whatever does that.

He's like, The Healthy Don't Need a Doctor, the Sick do. And he was proud to be around those guys. He wasn't ashamed. Because he knew that being around those guys, they needed someone outside of themselves. And that's a cool thing. So, like, I promise you, like, there's no shame, no amount of thing that, like, if you came to our church, everyone would just be so excited to meet you for just who here he is. No strings attached. Same way your friend Giovanni or Gianni.

Gianni. Gianni, yeah. Like, same way Gianni treats you. Like, just no strings attached. What can we do for you? How can we, you know, anything? So I think that's powerful. Damn in.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Are there any other questions you got about Jesus that are on your heart or nothing really? Dude, I don't know how long we'd be talking about it. I don't know either, but I feel like you answered everything. Let's go, man. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Dude, I'm super grateful you came on and like your vulnerability and honesty is super great. And you're a super genuine guy. You're amazing, humble, kind, and gracious. So I appreciate you. Thanks, man. I appreciate you. Yeah, you're incredible. Yeah.

Well, we did it. We did again. You said you haven't had it a while. Let me pray for you again really quick. If that's okay. And we'll just bow our heads of pray. man god thank you so much for this day i think for a great conversation god i just ask that um you send people harry's way that just represent your love correctly to him god would you just continue to send

people his way that love him well um god thank you that you see all of us in this room um and everyone watching and listening you see all of us um with just no no no judgment other than like compassion and grace and wanting to see us know more of you. God, would you allow us to know more of you? Would you bring more opportunities for us to know more of you? God, I bless Harry. I thank you for his life. Continue to just move in his life, reveal yourself to him.

God, I pray that his curiosity continues to unfold and lead more conversations and discussions, things like that. God, just so grateful for Harry. Thank you for a conversation. God, we love you and thank you in Jesus' name. Amen. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Dude, that was sick.

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