The Bugle - Bugle 4009 – Trump, Turkey & Trains

Episode Date: December 16, 2016

Andy Zaltzman is joined by Anuvab Pal to discuss India's national anthem, Erdogan's attempt to save the Lira and a strong batch of new global despots. Plus it's India v Great Britain in The Great Train Off. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Monday, the 19th of December 2016 with me and his ultimate hair live in London, where the pavements are paved with paving slabs for the most part, and joining me for Mumbai India, which has once again just missed out in its attempt to be crowned the world's most relaxing and laid back city. Chiasd out of the top 3,000 cities on that list. It is the Bugles official rest of the world correspondent and general Fount of Wisdom Anuva Pal.

Hello Andy. Hello. Hello. Yes, we did lose out that spot when narrow margin. We were right up there with Oslo and Tokyo as the cleanest, most technologically advanced environmentally conscious city. But then the small issue of 20 million people in a crowded space got in the way, but otherwise I found when I've been in Mumbai that's it but it doesn't just basically going for a walk about 300 yards Is equivalent to smoking about 60 cigarettes in terms of lung health? That is correct that is correct And that's that's when you're walking inside your home

That is correct, that is correct, and that's when you're walking inside your home. I don't even want to go into the details of what happens outside. I think the other day I realized that there are more people in my apartment complex than all of Hungary. And when that extra... That struck me as a disproportionate balance of humans in one place versus another. I think there are trains that have more people on them than living New Zealand as well. That is correct. The overarching religion that that governs the Western world, what is that name of that Christianity? You guys have a thing in that the arc, Noah's arc, everyone gets in there with livestock and

You know, it's a it's a helpful other thing You're trying to save all these animals and and it's you and a bunch of goats and your wife and everything and the ship And you're sailing getting on a local train in India is Noah's Ark every morning That's basically the morning commute. It's 16 million people all their belongings moving to some destination in the hope of an income. We will touch more on the glory of Mumbai's suburban trains later in the show. Before we start, so this is the bugle for the week beginning Monday, the 19th of December, 50 years ago, on this day, the United

Nations adopted the outer space treaty, which was formally signed in January of 1967. The official title of the outer space treaty was the treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies. Now speaking, as someone with a celestial body, this is a very important piece of legislation. For me, the treaty was aimed at stopping humanity, behaving like, and I quote the treaty, as much of an absolute dick in space as it has always tended to on earth. And it included rules like, no nuke in space and you cannot own Jupiter as well as practical advice such as how to place Nukor in zero gravity and polite etiquette for making big green aliens know that we don't want them

taken over the planet and eating us all. Not everyone assigned the treaty though, Anivab, not all nations have signed on the dotted line. Look out for Chad, biding their time, the cheeky little Sahara and Republic until its space program really takes off and they nuke New Zealand from space while saying didn't sign the treaty were allowed and then start charging royalties every time someone looks at the moon. Saturday, the 17th will mark the 113th anniversary of the Wright Brothers first successful powered heavier than air flight and in another delve into the global history sound archives here at The People, we have audio from that historic first flight.

Welcome aboard, right airways flight 1, 2, just over there. I am your captain, Orville Wrights, and we should be taking off today at 10.35 am. We will be cruising at an altitude of approximately 10 feet and at a ground speed around about the 6.8 miles per hour mark. So we should be reaching our destination, which as I said is about 40 yards over there, if you look over there in a flight time of approximately 12 seconds. Due to the short journey time today and the fact that I am the only person in the aircraft, there will not be a full trolley service, but if there is anything I or my brother Wilbur

who's standing over there on the ground flicking me a V sign can do to assist, please do shout quite loudly. Now sit back and enjoy your flight. As always a section of the bugle is going straight in the bin. This week, audio highlights of the wildlife photograph of the year, competition with the lead judge Stanley Purtzlo. That is a butterfly with some dew. That is a wolf in the snow. That is an orangutan looking surprised.

That's a bear looking a bit like a person. That's a spider looking a bit like a person. That's a spider in a web, about to have his dinner, like our patchier by the looks of it. And see a leak in a fish. There you go. Also in the bin this week, 12 month horoscopes and we can exclusively reveal that everyone from Capricorn to Sagittarius will in the next year have some good things and less good things happen in their lives probably. Those sections in the bin. Andy in a top story this week and I'd like to know what you think of this. A bunch of people in India were arrested for not standing up during our national anthem at a film. I was just curious to understand whether this was standard practice around the world or we were unique in our patriotism during motion pictures.

This is a really old story for me. I mean, is it necessary to display patriotism at the start and this is a Supreme Court ruling, and I understand that there are something like 30 million pending cases that the Supreme Court in India has not quite got around to or something like that. But they have managed to pass an edict directing all cinemas to play the national anthem before the start of films, and it is mandatory for everyone to stand up as a mark of respect. I mean, you have worked in the film industry. Do you write for various movies? Do you constantly sing the Indian National Anthem whilst writing scripts?

Well, Andy, a couple of things here. I work as a scrip writer in the Bollywood Motion Picture Industry which is the opposite of the motion picture industry. We don't necessarily just sing during the national anthem, we sing throughout the motion picture which is occasionally interrupted by the thing the Western world known as dialogue. We consider that an impediment to its storytelling, which is usually told through song. And also, you know, a lot of people are finding this very amusing, you know, people are upset that, or not upset, but they're raising this, they're bewildered by the fact that people have to stand up during the national anthem. But we here are not. We see it as a logical extension of patrioticism. In the holiday season, but we here are not. We see it as a logical extension of patriotism.

In the holiday season, if you cannot stand up to show your patriotism while office Christmas party to his playing, or when 50 shades of grave the sequel comes on, then how do we really know your patriot? How? How do we do it? And the Supreme Court has sensibly also added in their ruling that great institution left behind by the British. And I mean that literally because the building was left behind by you in which our Supreme Court resides. They have declared that what are the things you have to do while standing up for the Lashen Lanthan, one of the things you have to do while standing up for the

national anthem, one of the things theatre owners have to do is they have to make sure that they do not bolt the doors. So you have freedom of access. So I guess in some way if you are frightened by the national anthem when you want to run away, you have the freedom to do that because they're not going to bolt the doors. So that was also critical a decision for Supreme Court to take in a situation where they have 40 million pending cases of murder and terrorism. This was the key priority, having the doors not bolted when the National Anthem played during Office Christmas Party 2 or Hangover 4 Extreme Bangkok when that happens. I really, I don't know about you, maybe our value systems are different.

I live in the tropical regions here and here we show our patriotism by standing up every time a Judd Apato comedy plays. That's how it works here. So the police detained 12 people for not standing at a film in, and greatly if I'm pronouncing this wrong, Thiruvannanthapuram, also known as Trivandrum, the film festival of Kerala. Now I think Anivab, there's a time in a place for patriotism, and that time was in about the year 1730, and that place was probably somewhere up a pretty mountain on a sunny day. But the National Anthem before a film, I do not understand. I don't see how watching a film requires an overt, compulsory display of national pride. To me, that makes as much sense as singing the National Anthem before drinking a milkshake,

filling your car up with petrol or taking a dump. And also the last thing this planet needs right now is more pointless nationalism. That said, the Indian national anthem is, it's quite fascinating. I didn't know much about it until, until researching this story and why I say researching. I mean mean that in the sense of journalism circa 2016, which is looking up a couple of things on Wikipedia. The international anthem is a, it's rather fascinating, written by the Nobel laureates Rabindranath Tagore, a hymn to Indian pluralism set to his own rather reflective melancholy music, somewhat at odds with some other national anthems that largely focus on killing the shit out of as many enemies as possible. Now, I don't know what you think, I mean, what would Tegor have thought of this,

also known as the Bard of Bengal on the pro wrestling circuit in the early 20th century? Well, I mean, how would he have reacted to this compulsorisation of a national anthem in cinemas. Well, you know, I think I think started to go who was an esteemed wrestler from my hometown, actually Karkata, once the capital of the empire. He I think would be quite surprised that this was the national anthem, because he had originally written the first verse as a welcome for George the sixth, who never actually showed up. And I think that a lot of it was written in praise, but a lot of people don't know this, but we had only six days between in which to prepare for our independence. Our independence was supposed to be a month after

we got it, but one of your viceroyise in Governor General's got a stomach upset as his comment in Delhi and the things got moved around and so in six days we had to very quickly come up with a lot of things, a national bird, a national anthem, various national symbols. I would not want to be in the parliament house or anywhere in the vicinity in that week because I'm just thinking of all the things that must have been thrown at leaders like Nero and Gandhi like people were coming in with ostriches and penguins it's like is this all right and they're like no no we need a bigger national animal you know and I think all all the music that got rejected you know they were

coming in with some early David Bowie and they said no no no get us a different song so a lot of stuff they had to sift through till we got to this. So I think to go would be very surprised that this was the pick. Right. You know, and not something from Bruno Mars, for example. Well, I can only imagine the scene that is, who's movie and played out in Indian movie theater since this, this law was passed recently. What are we going to see today, Dad? Well, some we're going to see the Angry Birds movie. Oh, well, we better sing the National Anthem then I suppose. Yes, some we better had. No point watching a film originating from a smartphone game involving catapulting birds

at pigs without first expressing pride in our country. No, Dad, I'm pretty sure that's what's rumoredrenethical had in mind when he penned on National Anthem in 1911. He had been thinking this is really going to focus people's minds on the need for tolerance and cooperation between the various peoples of our vast and diverse nation when they sit down for two hours of mindless commercially driven entertainment on popcorn. Yes, son, that is the way to go old. You are entirely correct. I think Andy, you've just summarised a hundred years of Indian history through Angry Birds which has hasn't been done by the great post-colonialists of our time. I think it took a video game app on an iPhone to finally understand the entire post-colonial

struggle. I'm just surprised that there's a lack of patriotism in other countries. Why doesn't God save the Queen come on before extreme wrestling or whatever it is, that's all, that's sky television. I think one of the, I think it's one of the smartest things the Supreme Court could do because, you know, it's really hard to get a bunch of Indians in one room and get them to listen to anything. So if you've got them in a dark hole and I prefer their previous decision when they bolted the doors and you've got the doors bolted, then you can make them do

anything. It's going to start with a national anthem but then you can sign them on to a preferred city band credit card, anything you want really. I mean you say it's not, I mean you'd like God save the Queen to be played before wrestling events. We'd have something close to that. My local ice hockey club, the mighty Stretton Red Hawks, who I've been watching quite a lot recently, they have this curious tradition. I think this is probably, I don't know if this is across all ice hockey matches in Britain, but they played God save the Queen, just the recorded instrumental God save the Queen before every match. Before a load of grown men start whizzing around an ice rink, body checking each other into walls and trying to whack a small round

bit of vulcanized rubber into a tiny girl god by a man kitted out like Mr. Stay Puffed from Ghostbusters. And it is an unbelievably good fun to watch, but not exactly an activity that you would think has the full undivided attention of her majesty the Queen and therefore requiring a fair theme song, or indeed the full undivided attention of her majesty, the Queen, and therefore requiring a fair theme song. Or indeed, the full undivided attention of God. And even if the Almighty was taking some time out from trying to reboot his obviously malfunctioning computer by repeatedly switching it off and on again at the wall,

he's unlikely to want to be reminded that he needs to save the Queen. I mean, I don't know if he's listening in to the Stretem Ice Ring thinking, oh, they're singing that I've got to save the Queen. That's an ice hockey match. What is she playing? As Elizabeth II, 890 joined the Bracknell Hornets. Is she then no enforcer in which case, yes, she probably does need a bit of saving. With all due respect, she does not have the physique to hack it in the NIH Health South Division I. I'll step up to the plate with a classic God save. I think with national anthems and we see this, I mean we seem to be living

in an age of increasingly regularly demanded overt displays of patriotism. I think unless national anthems can be updated week to week to reflect changing national ethics and priorities good and bad, then I think we need to really consider singing them a halvalot less. I mean, for example, if God saved the Queen, you know, had an extra verse, it was, you know, topical verse that could be updated about, you know, all the good and bad things in Britain about institutional cover-ups, about Britain being one of the more generous nations when it comes to charity in the world about massively underfunding public services,

about being tolerant, intolerant, open-minded, xenophobic, happy, unfurious, whilst fostering innovation, social equality, creativity, and drunk vomiting on warmer murials, then I've seen no need to sing about the Queen or God whilst going about by daily business. Of course, sports and national anthems go together like Friday nights and fist fights, in other words, more often than would be ideal. And the NFL protests have continued, a number of players throughout the season have been refusing to stand or just kneeling during the playing of the StarsBangle banner before matches led originally by Colin

Kaepernick. And this is very much, this is, you know, there've been kneeling or not standing. This is not an act of massively aggressive protest. They've not been eating foodoo dolls of George Washington and vomiting. His chewed remains into a stars and stripes bucket. It's just been kind of passive, silent protest. And yet, Cabinix has been heavily criticized for being anti-American, bright-barts, who, so Chris, bright-barts, you said the Germanic... It would be bright-barts if we were in Germany right now or in the late 30s. Okay, let's call it break, Bart then let's try and get it away from that German connotation.

Great Bart, the alleged news alleged website that will in January become the first website essentially to be a sitting member of the US cabinet and of course the outlet personally endorsed by Herman Göring via Weijerbord or so I read on another website. They criticized Kaepernick for his quote, anti-American protest and said that fans of boycotting the NFL because of it. Now what Kaepernick has been doing quite americantly, as it happens, is just based, as I said, peaceful protest against social injustice. Another article on Forbes suggests it's not had much impact on ratings. I guess we don't know the truth on how much the ratings have come down because of the protests, how

much it was the election, how much it was just that Americans have suddenly realized that cricket and snooker are far better sports than the American football. We may never know. But what does it tell us about the NFL if they have been abandoning their sports because of this protest, that it's fans had been thinking, well, I love this sport. It's a unique combination of intricate chest-like tactics and brute life-indangering violence. I've followed its narratives and evolution since I was a little nipper. It's provided me with a patchwork of unfolding drummers that have been part of the tapestry of my life. But now that I know that someone involved in it does not think exactly like me,

and as the capacity for independent thoughts, I am f***ing done with it! DONE! exactly like me and as the capacity for independent thought, I am fucking done with it! Done! Perhaps though, you know, happening is being un-American in a sense that when 100 million or so Americans fail to vote in presidential elections, it's clear that the truly American thing to do is to express no political opinion whatsoever, or at least keep stung and take them out. Andy, I don't know if you've been following this Turkish currency thing, but it seems like the Turkish currency is plunging. It's plunging. I'm trying to think of a clothing example of how far deep it's plunging. It seems inappropriate to mention this in civil society, but it's plunging. And what the Turkish President, they wonderfully democratically elected Recib Erdogan, I'm going to mispronounce this.

And also, it's the first time in the history of the world an Indian person is doing a Turkish accent. But even though it's just the pronouncing of a name but Mr. Adogan who has had a clean record no coups against him at all or any sort of accusation of stifling the freedom of the press etc. He went out and he said okay the currency is plunging what you need to do is if you've got any foreign currency if you've got US dollars if you've got any foreign currency, if you've got US dollars, if you've got Euros, exchange them for Turkish lira, do it proudly and preferably do it while singing the national anthem. Now the last part I received from a very trustworthy new source and Indian news website. But given we live in a post-truth world, it doesn't really matter. The point is, he is trying various methods.

It tried to get people to exchange their currency. And it is an approach that the way the world would look at is the opposite of the other approach. This has worked for so many years. And that approach in a word can be summed up as economics. And the question I have at the is that you've had years of economics, right? People have studied it. You have the Malfusion Theory of Rent, you have the theories of Ricardo, you have purchasing power parity theory but in the modern in the modern world I feel like we're living in an era of the economics of the mad despot the economics of the one crazy lunatic who was elected so for example you know if you're worried about corruption and black money you have a leader in

a certain country I will not name which who just says well what if we just spend money illegal and you've someone's like what a brilliant idea sir now if someone says sir you know our currency is collapsing and someone says well should we maybe have the reserve bank by the currency and profit up against the dollar the mad lunatic theory of economics says no just get your entire population to show up at various currency exchange booths run by Thomas Book and sing really loudly

while changing currency. Because we get the faith of the people through voice and melody, you will have a direct impact on the footsie and the New York Stock Exchange. And I think that the mad theory of economics, I think, is here to stay. And I'm really looking forward, Andy, to what further things will happen in economics. That makes it sound like these are policies divides by a Pixar villain.

In certain cultures, if they're running into trouble, and they're like, well, we don't have enough printed currency could they then decide can we just get all the bakers and all the Starbucks we have to start printed currency well you say you mentioned bakers uh bakers jumped on board with uh with president uh president uh uh uh the one and his his cult patriotic money-changing. One Istanbul Baker quoted on AFP was offering free bread to people who changed $250 into Turkish lira and said these words, with the help of God, we will raise the lira and annihilate the dollar.

I mean, that's, that is a big goal. I think you have to set achievable goals in life. And the annihilation of the world's dominant currency might be a step too far for a single baker from Istanbul, but fair play to him for, for attempting it. He's not the only person that's been offering freebies to people who responding to the president's economic call to money changing arms. There have been offers of free bust tickets, free haircuts, free weddings, free fish, and free tombstones. Now, if you took advantage of all those offers at once, that would be a weird collection of things to come home with at the same time.

Hey, darling, I've changed all our dollars into lira and look at this lot of freebies. Hmm, tombstone, bust ticket, haircut, wedding license, fish. Looks like you're gonna kill me, alert with your lover and change your identity. Uh, yup, yup, you might be, you might be right about that. But why have you got the fish? I, I like fish. I like fish. That is indeed a fantastic summary of stuff, Andy. And I really think like you said, I don't

think you could ever get economic prosperity unless you look at currency as a zero sum game, which is the only way you could prop up your currency is by destroying another currency. And I think that is a fair way to think about world economics. Not the way we thought about it thanks to Adam Smith and Vajavadas for 200 years, which is to create a stable monetary policy so that all currencies can give and take a little. No, I think the way it has to happen is by getting your entire population to make bread, start singing, making tombstones, while planning to destroy another currency. Just to add to that, just a little nugget Prime Minister Modi, in fact, in a similar move said that anyone who can move away from currency and move away from cash money

in India, he's giving them refrigerators, washing machines, and promises he's going to send some money directly to their bank account if they suddenly switch to digital transactions. He of course has not solved the problem of how he would make all these 500 million illiterate people literate for them to be able to read and write, to be able to have a digital bank account, but that's a different problem. At least they'll have a washing machine and some sort of a fruit mixer. Ha ha ha. The Russian News Now and the CIA have briefed members of Congress that, according to their analysts, the Russians did actively seek to help contribute to Hillary Clinton's election defeats.

That the Kremlin was deliberately trying to put the dark into Donald Trump and to catch Hillary in a Vladimir Putin's fishing net. Basically what happened is the Russians hacked into the Democrats' one computer, I think, and signed Hillary up for a load of newsletters about golf and a farm was only dating website and really still have other email stuff that might have damaged her election campaign.

And it does appear that's been Trump and Putin get on alarmingly well for a man who's about to become president of the United States and a man who appears to be entirely casual about genocide happening in Syria. to become president of the United States and a man who appears to be entirely casual about genocide happening in Syria. That makes me more than a little bit uncomfortable, Anu Vab. Well, I don't know what here is making you uncomfortable, Andy, because Donald Trump, who I listen to very carefully the other day, he said, because he's a true statesman, he's a leader, he's a scholar, you know, in the great tradition of, say, Benjamin Disraeli, you know, somebody you guys had. And, and in that vein, he made, in one of his most eloquence features, he said, I like Putin, because he

knows some stuff about stuff. If that's not a fair summary of foreign policy, I do not know what is. And, and, you know, I think the way Russians look at diplomacy is really the way more of us should look at diplomacy. You know, they'll sign some documents that some sort of a peace treaty, but then they'll go back to Moscow, sit around and be like, what is this? This is just some agreements on paper signed in a higher hotel where the coffee was bet. Why do we have to under this? And then that is the worst Russian accent in the history of the world, 0.1.1.2. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the Russian accent. That'd be proud of it, Anuva. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, Andy. Not since during the Cold War,

the Soviet Indian alliance has there been such a strong attempt for an Indian person to reach out to Moscow as what you heard about a minute and a half ago. But having said, wait, you know, I think this whole thing of NATO and all these unanswered, where people actually honor the things they say. It's a really outdated concept, right? Because everyone's attention span is now a couple of minutes. The Russians go back to Moscow, they said, well, what is this? What is this? This is just some stuff on paper. I don't need to honor it. Basically, my border does not end at the edge of Turkmenistan or wherever the Russians think the border ends. Now the border ends on the western edge of Syria. And the Russian border will keep ending wherever Vladimir Putin thinks it ends that day,

after he's done fighting with his bear and swimming across the vulgar whatever it is he does for fun. I do get the slight sense that Putin is essentially playing a Cold War computer simulation. It is a man who has the humanity of a dinosaur skeleton and a moral compass that points unirringly towards total he is the kind of man you can imagine waking up every morning and whilst other people might have a coffee or a shout of per themselves up, who to understand in front of a mirror in the nude going, wow! And essentially it appears that he has now had the casting votes in a US presidential election. These are odd times we live in, odd times At Baraka Bama, those not taking it lying down,

he says, I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections, we need to take action and we will at a time and a place of our own choosing. Now, bear in mind, he is going to be out of a job in approximately one month's time. This sounds like the first thing he's going to do when he finishes is try to bomb-bod Vladimir Putin with spam emails from wherever he chooses to retire to. This is also the thing that I'm quite interested in, Andy, and I want to ask you about this, which is that, of course, large number of facts are being laid in front of the American people, and they're being told that the Russians did hack into the various emails of the Republican

party and the Democratic party and they chose to selectively release what they wanted to release. But the American people have sort of wholeheartedly sort of united in not believing these facts and I find that that's really interesting. It is a very interesting time, the early part of the 20th century, 21st century, for facts, you know, this very interesting type of where facts are and what their place is. Because I think what the American people have shown us now is that facts should not get in the way of the truth. And the truth should be whatever it is they believe,

which is the truth, which is basically a lie. So I think that these words have come to mean various things depending on what they want it to mean. So I think the real success of Vladimir Putin is that he's been able to change the definition of the word fact. Well on the subject of the sort of post-truth era and fake news, Facebook who've come under some criticism for their role in sharing fake news stories. They have been in the news with the news that they've announced new features to combat fake news.

But the question arises, will this news be out newsed by the breaking fake news that Facebook sees a Mark Zuckerberg A, owns a 150% scale replica of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory in a secretly sending all the sweets it produces to the Saudi Arabian royal family. B. Screams if his coffee is brewed at anything other than 92 degrees Celsius. C. Asoilurgic to tennis that if it even hears the word Jockovich blood drips out of his eyes. And D. keeps the colony of purebred Canadians in a giant cage in his garden in an attempt to breed the perfect

ice hockey team. Or is that fake news actually so fake that it spins a full 1260 degree three and a half twists and becomes to all intents and purposes true? Check your social media feeds to find out. The Trumpets. The latest appointments to the Trump cabinets include Exxon Mobile Chief Executive Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State in a world where many expect the effects of climate change to lead to greater instability and conflict. Tillerson's experience at the head of a company that has eagerly helped to accelerate climate change could be absolutely invaluable. I think that is the logic behind that. Exxon have invested around

1% of their profits in alternative energies from, that's what I can find in a two-minute search engine research project, which I think counts as hard-edged investigative journalism in the post-truth world. That is equivalent. 1% of Exxon's profits going to alternative energies. That is equivalent of a shark, savaging 20 seals in your living room and then offering you a box of tissues to help clean up the mess. I think I'm not a scientist,

but still at least it shows that the shark does care. Another man in line to join Trump's cabinet is the former Texas government, Rick Perry, who once suggested that the deep water horizon disaster was quotes an act of God. If so, the big man certainly delegated the act down a very human chain of command. But perhaps the biggest challenge for Big Donald in his quest to win the Nobel Prize for a loony leadership is the sheer quantity of absolute nutters who appear to be coming to the

four of global politics at the moment. And if I know you've been having a look at some of the contenders for nuttiest leader of 2017 and it's possible Trump might not even make the podium. That is correct Andy. In fact, Donald Trump in comparison is almost saintly. It's almost Pope-like in comparison. One of my favorite leaders right now is the current leader of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, who recently announced that when he was mayor of a certain town in the Philippines, heings and executions all across the Philippines. But his claim was that when he was the mayor of the town, he actually went around killing people. And when he said this, his popularity soared. His popularity went up by 6,000 points.

Which goes to show that this is the world we're living at, Andy. And it's wonderful, really, because I don't know about you, but I'm very tired of the justice system. You know, is invented some liberal democracy mechanism to give fairness to the people. But I think we're at a point, Andy, we're ready. We're ready as a world where a judge can listen to a case and be sitting on his judge's table with a gun under the desk, holding

the gun and then shooting the person's point black when he's found guilty. I think we're there and I think Rodrigo Duterte is just stating that. So he's highly encouraging of anyone who wants to go out there and shoot a person suspected of being a drug dealer. And to be if that isn't due process, I don't know what is. You say, you know, you want to system whereby the judge has the gun. I mean, do you think he sort of accelerated that process even further by appointing himself as a freelance judge and dispensing a guilty verdict before any evidence was heard. I mean he's so keen on streamlining bureaucracy that he's taken

justice into a whole new era. Yes, I mean look, Judge Jury Executioner is three jobs. He's fused it into one. I mean that's economic progress. And it's just him going around with the gun. And it's very different. You know, I'd like to bring up another example, Andy. It's very different, for example, than the leader of Gambia. Yaya Jame is the leader of Gambia. And he goes around as the leader of Gambia carrying a plastic rocket launcher. It's just something he carries around.

He had it with him when he met President Obama. Now my thing is that that's plastic. That's plastic. He's not getting anything done with that. It's just a thing he's carrying around. It's really an affectation. Tuarte isn't messing around with that stuff. He's walking over that actual gun.

And I think that to me is a world leader who's doing what he says he's going to do. He's shooting you with the face. I think that that is the leadership of the 21st century. Well, you say that, of course, not everyone agrees with that claim. They're having counterclaims that, to Duarte, it was not in fact involved in death squads. And those claims were made

by Rodrigo Duterte himself. So I guess whether you believe he was or wasn't involved in those squads depends on whether you believe Rodrigo Duterte or Rodrigo Duterte at different times of his crazy life. But I can't imagine a British leader coming out and saying something similar. I mean David Cameron would not even fess up to having whacked his drunken prong in a dead pig's mouth, let alone gangland slayings. And you're going for that. John major, our prime minister from the 1990s, got a softly spoken guy. I can't imagine him having come out and said, yes, when I was a boy in London, I clopped up 15 kills in my local neighborhood just to keep things moving. So you're at the oval for the cricket Exactly, exactly. You know, and you know, the trouble, the trouble with your country, for example, is that there is a voice, there is an opinion and a

counter opinion, right? Duterte is doing away with that. If Duterte is a green or opposing Duterte, then again, that's two jobs that's been fused into one again an economic benefit right to be the proposition and the opposition at the same time and I think Britain is at a loss when your Prime Minister is not walking around the local neighbourhoods shooting drug addicts in the face I think somehow debauchery suffers in fact if you look at this landscape if you look at this landscape Andy the world as it is. I have a question for you actually, because in the post-route world, what is making me really sad is that

the great lunatic leader of our time, King Jong-un, is appearing the most normal among all these people who are competing. How do you feel about that? Well, I mean, that's, when it's like I guess like when, you know, Nadal and then Jokovic started challenging Roger Federer at the top of the tennis rankings, you thought, yeah, he was untouchable, unassailable, but you know, and Federer responded,

but whether he can, you know, he never quite got back to that level of dominance. And Kim Jong-un's got a huge challenge out of him, not only from Trump, but also, as you say, from,uterte, and Jammah, you mentioned in the Gambia, they recently lost an election convincingly, until he decided that he hadn't lost the election. And when armed soldiers are sent to take over the offices of your electoral commission,

that is not generally a sign that results of an election are being 100% respected. Precisely, precisely. And that is really the right approach. When you totally disagree with the result, but you disagree with the institution that's having the thing in the first place. To maybe in cricketing terms, the way to look at it

is, if, say, for example, you're unhappy at the results of lords, you don't necessarily just beat up the other team, but you burn down lords. Look, that seems to be the approach here at Gambia. Again a sensible approach. I think the only thing now to wait and watch is whether Donald Trump will appoint Kanye West as the chief economic secretary of the United States and then we'll have to see what Kim Jong-un does to play that game. and then we'll have to see what Kim Jong-un does to play that game. The The

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Now, as you mentioned, the suburban trains in Mumbai are, I mean, that's one of life's great challenges, isn't it? I mean, it's, you know, people used to look at, you know, climbing Everest as one of the most difficult things, running a four-minute mile, getting to the South Pole, but getting to and from work in Mumbai must be up there in terms of the biggest physical challenges facing humanity. Well, that's correct, Andy.

You know, the way I'm going to describe this is, the train experience in India is one where the environment smells faintly of urine, whilst I'm maintainously not smelling faintly of urine at the same time. It's an aroma that I can best describe as sort of gently fecal. That's the environment that you're in all the time.

You get into it, it's a mass of humanity, and if you're able to make it out of the train, you're probably in another city, you're probably not in at your destination, you're probably in another city. You're probably not in, at your destination. You're probably in another country. If the train has moved in the direction, it promised to that is a success. Sometimes, sometimes the trains have moved backwards, sideways, there's a lot of fog going on in Delhi right now. And oftentimes, people on cross city trains

are waking up to find themselves in South India when they were supposed to be in North India. So, in comparison I think your problems are very mild. Your emails now, and we have this email, maybe you can help with your outsider's perspective. This came from Robin Kinrot in Scotland, who writes, hello, buglers, judging from the comments of people on Facebook, the biggest problem with Brexit right now is that Ramona's like me aren't enthusiastic enough about it. But how could this come about? I dread the politics, I fear the economic consequences, and my stomach groans at the potential impact

on our national dinner plates once Pasta has been sent back where it came from. There was not discussed enough. This was not discussed enough, Rob, in the campaign, the fact that Pasta and all other non-British foods will be banned and we will only be able to eat langish hot pots and gravel. Then it hit me, Rob continues, we need a mascot, like a sports mascot. He says, has anything bad ever had a mascot? Olympics, World Cups, football teams, nothing bad has ever had a mascot.

So I ask you, what mascots for Brexit could infuse the 48% of Brits who voted against it? Now, Aniv, I don't know what you're viewing this. I can see a huge giant hand to my middle finger marching around trying to cheer people up about it. I think that might work. When we had the Olympics here in 2012, we essentially had two giant sperms representing the spirit of the Olympics. Are any suggestions from your Indian perspective as to a cuddly toy figure that might inspire Brits to get more behind our leap into the unknown? I don't know if this got reported in the British press Andy, but your foreign secretary,

Mr. Boris Johnson was in India and he was doing a tour of India. There were several unsuccessful attempts for him to climb on top of an elephant during a press photo shoot. In the end, a rather mediocre photograph was taken of him standing next to an elephant's bottom. I don't know if that is some sort of a metaphor for where we are with Brexit. But I have that photograph of your forest secretary dressed as a Maharata standing next to a giant Indian tasker's bottom, as a sort of summary of where nationalism and pan-Europeanism stand. And I don't think you're smiling, that's the

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