The Bugle - Electoral Shock Therapy

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

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The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello Buglers and welcome to issue 4320 of The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual and frankly unfathomable world. I'm Andy Zoltzman and this is the official Bugle review of the 2024 US presidential election. Oh dear. Thank you for listening. Until next time from me, Andy Zoltzman. Sorry, what's that? Well, we have to go a bit longer. What? We need to show some some working.

OK, well, since apparently that was too short for Chris's liking, well, to fill in the gaps, the aching chasms. No, that's not true. The harrowingly gouged out voids. I'm joined by a man who will make it all make sense and offer us a vision of a better future. NATO Green. Hello, NATO. Hard to know how to welcome you to a show like this after just two days. We're recording two days after the election. So what's this? It's been 30, 36 hours after it became clear that your 47th president

will be the same as your 45th and will quite possibly be the joint 46th worst in American history. So how's your week been? Oh, it's incredible, Andy. Super great. You know, there's some really good news out of California, which is that scientists discovered that they could stop dengue fever scientists discovered that they could stop dengue fever by getting mosquitoes to stop having sex with each other. Right. I'm pretty excited about that. I don't know, I didn't realize this, but mosquitoes procreate by the male mosquito finding the female mosquito in the air and having sex for a few seconds to a minute, relatable,

and the scientists discovered that if they make the mosquitoes deaf, then they can't find the female mosquitoes and then the disease stops. And so now we can just yell at mosquitoes to stop plagues. So I'm feeling pretty great about that. Right, probably that is unquestionably quite exciting news. I think the only important thing that's happened in America this week. Oh, that's good.

That's good. Well, I mean, then that wraps up the show as well. Let's talk about the national elections then. as well. Let's talk about the national elections then. I guess it's been, unquestionably, been a bit of a disappointing week for anyone who had faith that America would not want to vote for someone who didn't cite an insurrection against, let me just check my notes there, America itself. That was, they were saddened by that failure.

Those who thought maybe it would be good if the president was not a convicted criminal. Similarly, swinging a miss on that one. But like I said, it wasn't the great democratic failures, but I guess the Harris campaign, and she took over Fartin, and we'd mentioned this before in the bugle about why the Democrats were not planning for someone who wasn't Joe Biden to run in this election from the moment that he won the last one, I will never fully understand beyond the arrogance of politics. But her campaign failed, seemed to me to fail to stretch much beyond the I'm not an aging white man with an at best fragile grip on reality. And part of the problem with that, as you've hinted at, is that turned out what America

was an aging white man with absolutely no grip on reality, almost an inverse grip on reality. Maybe Biden just didn't go far enough. And you know, there's been, yeah, there's some simplistic ways of looking at things and clearly, you know, like I say, the Trump vote hasn't really gone up. It's more that the democratic vote has tanked. But, you know, there's been a lot of articles saying you know we have to respect the result and you know because you have to sort of respect the result if not the process by how it how it got to know respect is a strange term and it doesn't necessarily show that there are 72 millions that are

racist misogynist and xenophobic but I guess it does show that there are 72 millions who are prepared to vote for someone who quite proudly is all three of those things I guess there were some people who saw the kind of person Trump is found it repulsive and Voted for him. Anyway, there were people who you know, whether because of that's there, you know They're they're they're politics their economics There were those who saw the kind of person Trump is and were prepared to tolerate it And then there were those who saw the kind of person Trump is and were prepared to tolerate it and then there were those who saw the kind of person Trump in Trump is and were actively

infused by it and Basically want to be want to be like him and that's I guess it's hard to know the the extent to which those 72 million were divided between those those different views of Trump Harris's concession speech added this charming word. She tried to argue that in America we have more in common than divides us and I mean I admire that that charmingly naive view but history Suggests as does the history of the past week that that is a wildly inaccurate pipe dream

But anyway, it's nice to come to these things I mean if if by more in common you mean things like opposable thumbs and you know by by pedal locomotion yeah she also said only when it is dark enough can you see the stars. Again, it can always get darker. It can always just keep blotting out those stars. We've not achieved full darkness yet. There's still something to aim for. She said also, in our nation we owe loyalty not to a president or a party, but to the constitution of the United States and loyalty to our conscience and our god Now, I mean there's quite a bit to unpack here for a start the constitution

As 250 year old scraps of paper go it's okay But I think it needs a little bit of updating as do most things that were written two and a half centuries ago Conscience again a charmingly retro idea in politics that went out the window, I think pretty much with the ancient Greeks. And God, whatever God it is, frankly, disastrously out of form right now, exhibit a planet Earth. So... In my woke America, I'm ready for an all-female reboot of both the constitution and God. Well, to be honest, I think that is so long overdue. As a fully paid up member of the patriarchy, I think I can acknowledge that maybe

we need a bit of a break. Things haven't been going too well for us. We've had a good run for the last few thousand years, and maybe it's time to take a decade or two off And come back refreshed I've said this so many times Andy. I couldn't agree with you more like I maybe I've even said it on the bugle I've said it before and I'll say it again in the words of Nishkumar the the the like

Giving up patriarchy means not having to do shit Oh, you want me to give up my privilege and I get to stay home? That's a win all around. Ha ha ha ha. The National Team Explosion Uh, NATO, I guess, uh, given that you are slightly closer to,

um, the center of these things, uh, it's only right for me to ask you to give your take on the nationwide perspective. Being an American when Trump is president feels like being Prometheus, where as a result of your own hubris, you have been chained to a rock while your liver is eaten for eternity and you have no entertainment but to shit yourself. So that's how we're doing. Right, okay. And I mean, I know some people think Prometheus

got off lightly as well. So Grover Cleveland remains the only president to be elected for non-consecutive terms who was not a keen and active sexual assault enthusiast. So I guess that's something for Cleveland fans to cling to. Can you explain, Nato, how... I mean, Kamala Harris's campaign, it did temporarily turn the snout of Joe Biden's Titanic

in a vaguely upward direction, but ultimately that proved to be a little more than a dead ship bounce. And it is in terms of the sort of the scale of the democratic failure to you know not just lose again but to lose so convincingly after all the polls claimed it was such a a close rate. How can you explain this to an outsider night of this I've always found American politics you know baffling because I'm human and not from America and I think both of those things make it hard to understand but I mean how has this gone quite as badly as it has well Andy if you'll indulge me can I take you on a journey?

Yes, please. Yeah. Okay. So I want to, I want to go from the local to the national. Uh, so let me, let me walk you through it. And I think by, by, by the time I get to the national, it will all make perfect sense how we got here. So, uh, the, obviously the, I'm pretty upset about Trump, uh, winning and, and

the Republicans say in the Senate. The best news of the night, frankly, was local races here in San Francisco. I've been watching Game of Thrones for the first time with one of my kids. And if you're a Game of Thrones enthusiast, San Francisco politics is like Game of Thrones if the only characters were Theon and Hot Pie. And the, like, San Francisco politicians think that they're all Littlefinger and Tyrion and Varys, and they would be if the characters only did the drinking wine and fucking whores part

without being articulate in any way at all. In San Francisco, chaos isn't a ladder so much as an inflatable jacuzzi filled with fentanyl urine and protein shakes and a leak in it. So we elected a new mayor in San Francisco, and San Francisco elects politicians using a system called rank choice voting, because everyone knows that the main obstacle to people participating in a democracy is that voting isn't complicated enough. And under our rank choice voting, voters rank the candidates in order, and if no one gets out might write majority the first go, the person with the lowest votes is eliminated and their vote is

then applied to their second choice. And the process continues until someone gets a majority or the workers at the Department of Elections get sick of counting and just start chucking boxes of ballots in the bay, which is a thing that has occurred. So we elected a mayor, we had 15 candidates running and no one got a majority until the 14th round of rank choice voting. So it was a mandate. And we used to do RCV and only be able to rank your top three and that wasn't complicated enough and so now you have to rank all of them but like why not pick your mayor by you know darts or chowstack it's all equally stupid. So by the way I have to admit when I'm wrong I've always said that anyone who's on the ballot gets some votes, and this time that was not the case.

Of the 15 candidates for mayor, there were two that got no votes, including a prank candidate whose platform was to blast the Metallica symphonic arrangement at drug users, which is as good an idea as anyone else has had. So our incumbent mayor is a black woman who ran on a law and order platform and faced a diversity of challengers from a white male millionaire to a white male billionaire. And they were both running on a platform of law and order only more so. And my candidate was not any of them.

My candidate was a teeny tiny Jewish guy who looks like the picture that AI would make of a Jew if the prompt were Victor Orban yelling Jew at a computer. But he sounds like Gary Cooper in High Noon for no reason because he's from Berkeley. Anyway they're still counting the votes with a guy who won his name Daniel Lurie who's a billionaire heir to the Levi Strauss fortune of pants fame. His main prior public service was founding a nonprofit that announced a bold initiative to raise a hundred million dollars to cut chronic homelessness in half in two years and that was six years ago

and in that time chronic homelessness has grown. So as you know, politics is not accomplishing things but announcing a bold initiative and that's what matters. And his campaign massively upspent everyone else with a diverse range of funders from himself to his mom and typical Jewish mother if my mom had billions of dollars She's sending you mail About how great I am and so and most campaign mailers. Do you get you get a lot of campaign mail in England? There's like you can't be asked with it anymore to be honest. We've just basically given up.

I wish. I wish I had the option because my mailbox was flooded and people always talk about their endorsements. But this guy, Daniel Lurie, his list of endorsements were like a little bit dodgy. It was like, you know, Daniel Lurie endorsed by retired port commissioner, Keith Kethenson and former 49er defensive back Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott and Ray of Ray's Delicious Sandwiches on Lombard Street and Ben of Ben Folds Five. It was like, who the are these people?

A guy who went to college with Daniel Laurie and thought he made some good points in a class. Anyway, so nationally things are awful, but California, it is also awful. I guess my main takeaway, and one of the lessons I want you to learn from the election is that voters are ideologically incoherent.

For instance, in California we have an initiative system where we vote on initiatives directly. We had 10 on the statewide ballot. And just to illustrate the absurdity of California politics and the voters being ideologically incoherent, California voters, in their wisdom this week, voted simultaneously

for gay marriage and for literal slavery. So, as you may know, the 13th Amendment that ended slavery in America contained an exception for people convicted of crimes. There was a ballot measure to end prison slavery, and the people of California said, no, we want to keep prisoners enslaved, but if they want to get gay married while doing prison slavery, go right ahead. What is an appropriate wedding gift for a gay wedding among prison slaves. So that's what the, I'm guessing like a shovel or catapult or competent legal representation, something, anyway. So at the, pulling back out to the national, what's remarkable about the Democrats losing is

how dumb the Republicans are. Like Trump ran a bad campaign. The Republicans are so dumb. They, and they won the, this is only the second time that Republicans won the popular vote in 25 years. Republicans won the Senate, House results still up in the air,

democracies over in America. The American people weighed the options and chose a rapist, bigot, liar, and they they ran a bad campaign. It feels bad to lose, but it feels especially bad to lose to the dumbest people. And to illustrate what I mean, I was talking to somebody in my extended family who said this to me. She said, recently I was hit by a car and I have permanent brain damage. Anyway, I would like to vote for Robert F. Kennedy. So that's what's happening in America. Have you covered Mark Robinson on the bugle, the

Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina? We did do a little bit on him, but do please refresh our memories. OK, this is bugle gold, Andy. Mark Robinson was a black Republican lieutenant governor of North Carolina. He was the Republican candidate for governor and lost handily in a state that Trump won because maybe a month, six weeks ago, a story came out that he had been going on porn sites and in the discussion section had I self-identified as a black Nazi who wanted to end slavery so that he could have slaves. I'm going to say that if there are black Nazis, maybe there should be limits to DEI. So, and the weirdest part of the story to me, oh and that he like, he was pushing transphobic legislation but into transgender porn,

the weirdest part of the story to me wasn't just that he said all those things, but he said them in a discussion section of a porn site. Now, I don't know how you relate to porn, but typically, on the rare occasion that I've enjoyed some pornography, I don't finish pleasuring myself and then immediately think, I need to take to the comments to have a doubt about the constitutional amendments. So they were so dumb. Like there was a moment, there was a video of Trump giving a speech

where he's going on and on about how packed his rallies are and how there's no empty seats. And in the video, the cameraman pans to the crowd and how there's no empty seats. And in the video, the cameraman pans to the crowd and shows just like row after row after row of empty seats. And I love this idea of the media fact checking politicians in real time, not saying anything. How great would it be if you watch the evening news

and the politician says, we're delivering results for the American people, and then there's just a caption that says, the f*** they are. I think that would be a great innovation in the news. Elon Musk jumped in to support the Trump campaign, bringing millions of dollars and his tech genius to cutting edge campaign methods. For instance, he tweeted on election day, I just tried this myself and Google still shows you where to vote for Harris but not for Trump. And it felt like a hidden camera bit, like what Elon Musk doesn't

know is that Google is showing him where to vote in Harris County, Texas, which is an actual place. And then he ran the canvassing operation for Trump and there's like lawsuits about it already because they hired people without telling them who they're working for and where they were going, flew them to Michigan, drove them back around in the back of a U-Haul van with no windows and then threatened them if they didn't produce results. Oh my god, tech disrupting political campaigning with the bold new innovation of human trafficking. Who would have thought of that?

That's kind of old school, isn't it? You'd have thought tech would have found a way of doing that far more efficiently. Who needs volunteers when entrapment is right there? So. That was pretty much the British approach to World Wars, I think, to make sure we had enough people to work with.

So then the question arises, how did the Democrats fumble the bag? And by the way, if you need to stop me and get in, I could shut up, or Chris can fix all of this in post. So it's a mess. But this is my emotional state. OK. Fair enough. So why did the Democrats lose?

Well, there was a lot of polling data that suggested that a majority of voters, not just Democrats, wanted an end to military aid in Israel. And the Muslim politician of the swing states was bigger than the margin of victory. So it was critical, especially in Michigan, which has a huge Muslim population, to hold on to Muslim voters. And instead, the Democrats settled on a message to Muslims of, we don't care if your family

is slaughtered, vote for us or there will be even worse slaughtering you ungrateful assholes. And it turned out that wasn't the winning message they hoped it would be. I see. Okay. Well, you just never know in politics until you try these things, do you? Yeah, you really got to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. I don't know if they like focus grouped it at some point or it just felt like a first draft. point or it just felt like a first draft. So let's have a look now at what went wrong for the Democrats. Hang on. How long, how long, how long we got on this? Like a thousand and forty years left on the recording time.

The press, the press wanted Trump like the press likes the spectacle. You know, you saw this in The Washington Post not making an endorsement for the first time. They were really inexplicably hard on Kamala Harris on policy details. And then they would like both sides the policy arguments. For example, there would be these multiple news articles I saw that were like, let's look at the Trump and Harris housing policies. They were like, let's look at the Trump and Harris housing policies. To lower housing costs, Harris wants to build a million homes. Trump wants to deport a million people.

Let's have economists weigh in. She thinks she can lower housing costs by increasing supply of new homes affordable to middle class people. He thinks he can lower housing costs by decreasing demand by moving immigrants living in homes into detention facilities. Economists lay in. And no one was like, these immigrants are not like starting all cash bidding wars to run up the price of the McMansion in the suburbs with the wraparound deck that you've been yearning for. So the press wanted Trump. The

Democrats put all this energy into looking for the elusive, mythical Republican crossover voter. They don't exist. They get these Republican elites to endorse them, but Republican voters just vote for Republicans. It never works. They were really pushing that Liz Cheney was supporting Harris. Now no one likes Liz Cheney. She was a congressperson from Wyoming, the least populated state in America. No one is there. Liz Cheney doesn't deliver Republican votes. She doesn't even deliver all of the Cheneys. And so the, and there was like, and the campaign ads, I just felt like were not, like I didn't relate to the, there were so many campaigns and I didn't relate to them. Like the campaigns always had like sparks, like in a factory or a welding situation, and then there was a field and some

like hard-working salt of the earth American, a healthcare worker, and I just, I don't yearn for an ad that is targeted for me. You know what I mean? Just like a middle-aged dad in pajamas sitting in a comfy chair, staring vaguely into space. It's just like, vote for us, so you get some quiet, you know? Um, so, and here's my genuine, my sincere, and perhaps not funny analysis, when it comes

right down to it, is that the America, that Trump represents a fascist threat. And historically, the left fights fascism. Centrist liberals on their own do not fight fascism. You know what I mean? Like before America entered World War II to help stop fascism, American communists and anarchists were going to Spain to fight fascism in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Then a few years in the Pearl Harbor later, America was like, okay, fine, we'll help fight fascism. You know what I mean?

Centrist liberals try to stop fascism by by crossing their arms and going humpf. And centrist liberals... Does that not always work? It doesn't always work, Andy. Centrist liberals try to stop fascism by posting memes that say, love trumps hate, when it definitely does not, if hate is heavily armed and love is just reading poetry. But centrist liberals hate the left and have worked so hard to crush the left, and now there's no,

they went out of their way to crush Bernie Sanders, the AOC, the Cori Bush, that wing of the party to attack people who were marching for Palestine, to attack people who were marching for Black Lives Matter, and that's what they got. But Andy, I have some good news. Okay. Are you ready for the silver lining? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It'd be very big and very silver. Here's the good news. Okay. I actually have a few examples of good

news. Good news. Trump won fair and square. No coup. We were convinced that it would be close and Trump would try to overthrow government, do another January 6, get the Supreme Court to hand it to him. We'd be in for months of upheaval and political violence and instability. It's not happening. I mean, except for the, you know, there were multiple polling stations in Georgia that were closed for hours because of Russian bomb threats, but except for that, we've spared three months of uncertainty because we know that Trump won fair and square. So that's, we don't have to worry.

Has even Trump accepted the result? Because you know, it was clearly a result that was not predicted by pollsters, which suggests that, you know, maybe, I mean, you'd have thought as someone who was so highly tuned to electoral irregularity that he would have been absolutely up in arms about this, but he's obviously learned and accepted the result with relative dignity this time. So I guess that's progress.

I mean, dignity doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sense, Andy, when it comes to Trump, but. I did say relative. I did say relative. Relative to what, I wonder. Yeah, I mean, Trump's, you know, it's a fair election if I win and an unfair election if I lose. That's Trump's worldview. But there's more good news. The Republican Party's policies will kill their own voters.

So like when Robert F. Kennedy takes over public health and allows disease outbreaks in the water supply and ends vaccines and they shoot each other up and disaster funding is cut and people drown in floods and storms and fires, who doesn't get some schadenfreude from a good old-fashioned comeuppets? So that's some good news. Well, that's quite, also that sounds quite biblical and obviously we saw how important the Christian right vote was and maybe that actually could play quite well with them, a bit of kind of Bible nostalgia.

I mean, this is one of the inexplicable things for me, NATO, how America's Christian right can so wholeheartedly vote for one of the all time top 10 least Christian people in history. And if he'd been running for office in naught AD in the US presidential election that year, and my history doesn't go by that far, he would probably have praised King Herod for his highly effective anti-firstborn child policies.

If he'd been running in 32 AD, he'd have been railing against woke Jesus, the fake messiah. And yet, the American Christian right is just unquestioningly on his side. I know you're not technically a Christian, and I don't know if you're as bad a Christian as I am a Jew, given that you are a Jew, and I don't know how lapsed, or was it on niche accused, saying I was so lapsed that I was basically Muslim on the show earlier in the week. This is one of the inexplicabilities of American politics to an outsider is that how the Christian right seems to support the least Christian candidate almost every time. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, I am a Jew, I'm not a Christian, but I know a decent amount about Christians because Andy, you gotta keep an eye on them. They're shifty. You know, you gotta keep an eye on the people who might try to kill you at any moment.

And the thing about the Christian right is they are voting for, they win either way. They get either extreme Christian values imposed on America or they get to usher in the rapture. So they're engaged, you know what I mean? I participate in politics because I want things to work. Actually, can I, I just want to offer one tiny, tiny sliver of personal pride, which is that there is a ballot measure

in San Francisco that passed. It's a tiny issue that I was involved in putting on the ballot and developing. It fixes like a small loophole to give public government nurses a slightly better pension plan and it passed. So I worked on something, we got it through. Are you not worried that this is just the small acorn from which within 40 or 50 years California will be overrun by billionaire ex-nurses just rampaging uncontrollably around your state?

Yeah, well, there is a slippery slope because nurses getting slightly better pensions and then because of their ability to vote and then having expectations that they not be treated like shit in every other way. And you've got to put that back in the bottle. So but I have more good news. Trump will die in office. So he's like we thought Ronald Reagan was sundowning in office, and then there was this like Republican anti-Trump campaign ad that had Reagan's words juxtaposed with Trump's words, and it was horrifying.

Next to Trump, Reagan, like we made fun of him for being stupid and inarticulate at the time, but next to Trump, Reagan sounded like Oscar Wilde talking to Slimer from the Ghostbusters. So there's a Yiddish folk tale that I had in a children's book when I was a kid called It Could Always Be Worse. And it's like Trump is a rapist, kleptocrat, anti-democratic bigot. Wait, there's more. Also cognitive decline. And then the last bit of good news, Andy, is that yesterday I got a call from the urologist

and I might have cancer. So I have to go get a prostate biopsy. And if I have to drop everything to focus on chemo, that's great news for me. If I can't pay attention to the news, in case I have cancer, that's something I'm looking forward to. Right. Well, I mean, we find positives in the strangest places, NATO, and that's a pretty strange place. I'm getting notes from people in Cuba being like, Cuba, where there's no food or electricity right now, people are writing, sending me notes being like, are you okay? Do you need to get out? In terms of the international reaction, there was this piece in The Guardian, in which they talked to Americans living in Britain, and one woman quoted and said how could the country go in this direction of

hatred and division and lies and I think that's quite a simple answer to that and that is that because America and particularly the people who vote in America are Human beings and we are very very good at hatred division and lies We are I think out of all the species in the world division and lies. We are, I think, out of all the species in the world, comfortably the best at all three of those things. And hatred and division, quite a strong brand in America, historically, as the mid-19th century would testify quite vociferously. And lies, you know, always popular, and lies, truth generally, is somewhere between inconvenient, annoying, and depressing. So,

you know, we cling to lies in whatever form they come. Andy, I really can't believe you. Are you trying to say that if there's a school of herring swimming in the ocean, there's not one herring being like to another herring? I think if you suck my dick it'll be magic no but i think there probably are herring who would sell out the shawl to a nearby shark if it earned them enough money so maybe we're not so different um congratulations flooded into trump from around the world from uh well a mixture of leaders in country some who love the fact that Trump will be back and some who on pragmatic grounds have to pretend to love the fact that he'll be back lots of people saying we look forward to working with him to which the subject is Oh fucking shit not again but some Belarus's president Lukashenko was

pretty chuffed the Victor Orban you mentioned earlier on, the Hungarian so-called hard man. Can we start using weak man instead of hard man for these things? I'm not sure. Reportedly, one of the first national leaders to congratulate Trump referred to his victory as the biggest comeback in American political history.

I would hope to add so far, I'm still holding out, that this could finally be the spur that sees Abraham Lincoln finally reincarnate himself, get his shit together and sort America out again. And was it actually a comeback? It didn't feel like Trump had ever been away. Do you not have to go away to have a comeback? And basically he's almost been running American politics the whole time. Yeah, you know, American people are much like infants in that they struggle with object permanence.

Ha ha ha. Benjamin Netanyahu described it as history's greatest comeback, which, you know, bearing in mind where he lives and the alleged story of Jesus H. Christ, I mean, I guess that's not really his shtick, but big claim. His security minister, Itamar Ben-Ghivir, just said, yes, God bless Trump, which again, you know, that would seem an old thing for God to do,

given that Trump goes pretty much 10 for 10 on commandments ignored on an hour by hour basis. China issued a spokesperson for the People's Republic of China's Foreign Ministry, expressed Chinaence and cooperation for win-win. Now those are words that would not have grasped Trump's attention until right at the end there. Mutual respect does not compute, peaceful coexistence, where's the fun in either peace or coexistence as a general principle, and cooperation, what does that word even mean, for win-win there. That is the language that he may understand. The Philippines president, Bong Bong Marcos, yes son of that Marcos, the notorious despot, bit of a theme emerging here, said President Trump is one of the American people of triumph.

I congratulate them on their victory in an exercise that showed the world the strength of American values. And I'm not sure that you can necessarily infer the strength of American values from what we've seen over the past Well year of the of the campaign and kiss armor our own De facto Trump He's in very different pods kissed armor our prime minister said that we would continue to stand shoulder to shoulder in

defense of our shared values of freedom, democracy and enterprise. And as he said this, I think I heard actual laughter from a World War cemetery when he said that. I know it's a little way away across the channel in France, but I definitely heard what was a ghostly mass giggle and the shades of the slain muttering, that is priceless. So there we go. That's the roundup of the international reaction. In terms of just quickly, NATO in terms of what the Trump second term in office will bring. One of his most eye catching promises was to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours, which

means that the 21st of January is going to be absolutely unmissable television. Do you think he's got the game to achieve that end of war in a day? Well, yeah, and not only that, Trump is also proposing to, on day one, do mass deportations at the biggest deportation operation in history on the same day. That seems like a level of multitasking that may strain his abilities. Right. So, is it possible that what that will involve then is him just dropping 10 million people he's kicking out of the United States into the Ukraine to just cause administrative

mayhem and end the war that way? Is that essentially what you're saying will happen? No, I mean, knowing how Trump operates, which is mostly through lying I think the way that Trump will will Attempt to end the war in the Ukraine, but will in 24 hours Will be by announcing that he has already ended the war in the Ukraine Without any regard for what is actually happening in the Ukraine. Right. He's just hoping that if he tells everybody that the war is over, that it'll take them long enough to figure out that that is in fact not the case, that he'll get away with it.

Well, there you go. It's happened. Despite the efforts of the bugle, I know last time we had to take some responsibility for Trump being elected because we were on hiatus for the vast majority of the 2016 campaign. This week, this time we've, you know, we've, we've, we've tried our best. We've, it turns out that's a British based podcast that has regular American guests on cannot swing the result of an election. And that's disappointing. But the power of satire has once again come up against the cold, hard fist of reality. And that is a battle that it never, ever wins. So we will have full exclusive coverage

of the next four years of America tearing itself limb from limb metaphorically and quite possibly literally as well, NATO. I look forward to hearing you describe that for us over the next four years. And well, for those listening on the podcast, I want to see if you're watching this, you might have seen. I've launched the 2028 presidential campaign,

Green-Gondelman, NATO Green, Josh Gondelman, the Dream Ticket. I have not asked NATO or Josh about this, but I'm launching it now, because I think that's got to have a decent chance of winning, NATO. You prepare to take that mantle upon yourself, that that heavy responsibility. I mean what does America need more than not one but two bald Jews in the White House? Well is America ready for a bald Jewish president? That remains the glass ceiling yet to be smashed.

NATO, thank you very much for coming on the show. What I know must be a very difficult time. I'm sorry. It wasn't in better spirits, Andy. I thought you were in remarkably good spirits. All things being relative. I mean again the word relative doing some heavy lifting. Yeah for the for the the the buglers listening at home when Andy asked me about this I said would it be okay if I just did scream crying for the

entire show. So the fact that what you have received is not that, even if the jokes are, let's say, a bit bleak and not funny. I feel like I came out ahead. Well, there you go. Anyway, to all bugglers who voted for Trump, congratulations. I'm guessing there aren't that many of you. For those of you who voted against Trump, and I assume all of you did, whether you're American or not, I hope that you found a way as encouraged by us on The Bugle to do your bit and try and help America out. But commiserations. Enjoy the next two and a bit months, I guess. And then we will see what unfurls over the following four years. We'll be back in a week or so's time to fill you in on everything else that's been happening in the universe.

In the meantime, do come and see my tour show, which began last weekend. Tickets and information on the dates and venues at andysoltzman.co.uk. Nato, anything to plug? Sure. I have a couple of albums out, the NATO Green Party and the Whiteness album that you can get wherever you buy albums. Bandcamp gets me the most coin,

so please do that if you can. Follow me on Instagram, MrNATOGreen. If this comes out by Friday the 8th, on Friday night, I will be in the Sacramento area doing a show with my old friend W. Kimmel Bell at the Mondavi Center at UC Davis. And if there are any buglers outside of the United States with job offers for a combination comedian slash writer slash union organizer and his wife a nurse practitioner slash medical anthropologist so that we can go into exile please let me know

that's an unusual plug I think it's the first time we've had that. So do let us know. Yeah, or if anyone just wants to have a helicopter at the ready to fly me to safety, if anyone wants to deed me some sort of like humble countryside villa in rural Spain to which I can escape. I'm ready. Receiving offers. Thank you, NATO. Thanks for listening, buglers. Until next week, goodbye.