The Bugle - Fighting Ceasefire With Ceasefire

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

What a glorious week - politicians fighting like children over how to achieve peace, a Russian whodunnit (we all know), Trump put the sneak into sneaker. And some astronaut bullshit, they really are f...ull of it. Plus, let's get sad about an owl.Send thoughts and questions for Andy at hellobuglers@thebuglepodcast.com. Click follow to make sure you get every episode and please drop us a nice review or rating wherever you choose.PLUS: Become the owner of an exclusive episode of The Bugle, on 12 inch vinyl! Become a premium member NOW! https://www.thebuglepodcast.com/donateThis episode was presented and written by:Andy ZaltzmanAlice FraserJosh GondelmanAnd produced by Laura Turner and Chris Skinner Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Bugle. Audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello, buglers, and welcome to this, the last bugle recording until April. The last recording without audience, because the next few weeks your bugles will be highlights from our live tour shows, at which I expect to see all of you in person I am Andy's ultimate humanity's last bull walk against the threat of oblivion. Sorry. I'm reading the wrong script here I'm Andy's ultimate 49 year old with no practical skills my mistake I'm here in the shed of a mutable truth once more joined today from no fewer than four of the world's top four hemispheres, north, south, east and west. Bye. Firstly, joining us from Australia, where since she was last on the bugle, she has added to the sum total of human beings on earth. We'll find out how later, was
Starting point is 00:00:55 it alchemy? Was it turning hamsters into humans? Was it bringing a robot to life? Or was it something more traditional? Stay tuned for the answer. It's Alice Fraser. Hello Alice. Hello Andy, hello buglers, how are you? Very well, and congratulations on bringing a new human into the universe. Again. Thank you Andy. First of all, let's establish this quite fully and completely. I absolutely should not be here. I'm still in the middle of my self-appointed maternity leave, but I'm never going to turn down a bugle, especially one close to midnight. I'm very well.
Starting point is 00:01:30 I'm in the midst of trying to parent my toddler through the arrival of her now three-week-old brother and also recover from the process of giving birth. I could also look after a newborn boy in my arms tired Picking them all up. I was gonna say boy am I flap sore, but then I knew you today Family show family show actually it's called a bloody show Andy and it's when the mucus plug comes out Well that goes without saying which is why I didn't say it. Well, anyway, congratulations. Welcome to, well, basically he's contributing to the bugle throughout this show.
Starting point is 00:02:13 And you know, if he starts crying, that's really just a satire on the planet that humanity is bequeathing to him and his generation. So it would probably be the most incisive satire we've had on this show in the 16 and a half years we've been doing it. Joining us from New York City without a baby, it's Josh Gondelman. Hello, Josh. Hello. Thank you. Yeah, we're holding steady at the number of humans created or destroyed because I think we also, we haven't created any humans, but I would like my household to be able to take credit for not destroying any humans lately. Well, so congratulations, because I mean, you can't always assume that when you have an American guest on. It's bad when they told me I had to keep the numbers even and hand me the knife.
Starting point is 00:02:56 We are recording on Monday, the 26th of February, meaning that Thursday will be, for the first time, literally in four four years the 29th of February and what an extraordinary day that is got some 29th of February facts for you here in the UK people born on the 29th of February are not allowed to vote until they're 72 years old and they cannot consent to carnal interganadular biflauntary until they're 64 the calendar at wonks have added the leap day that the 29th February is to the wrong years, apparently. It should have been added to alternate odd numbered years. No one knows why, but it's a fact. The main reason that leap days were added in the years they're adding, including this one, is as a means of adding an extra day of anticipation, preparation and training before the Olympic Games, which take place in Leapy, is the extra day is thought to
Starting point is 00:03:45 take up to two hours from the average 50 kilometer walk time. I agree. And there is also a long-standing tradition that the 29th of February is a day in on which gender roles are reversed and women are allowed to do things traditionally ascribed to men. These include proposing marriage, starting wars, wildly responsible gambling on the financial markets, genocide and institutional misogyny. So no, it's lovely to be recording so close to the 29th of February. Oh, I for one can't wait to buttonhole the man at a party and tell him about the job in which he is an expert. As always, a section of the bugle is going straight into bin this week. Well, it's been London Fashion Week. So we have all the highlights from London Fashion Week. The bugle, of course,
Starting point is 00:04:29 one of the official title sponsors, I believe. Did we ever sign that deal? I can't remember it. Anyway, let's assume we did. Designer Darmulian MacArelle was as courted controversy yet again by sending his latest line of clothes out on the plastinated corpses of zoo animals, the highlight and or low life being a former rhinoceros in frankly alarmingly provocative nightwear attached to the front of a Zamboni Nick from an ice rink. Pondrella Quakes AI design underpants featuring storage options for a range of accessories from keys to pen knives to sandwiches to camping equipment,
Starting point is 00:05:02 including stoves to golf clubs. Once again, further the cause of practical fashion in London as did Barabella to Tomatoes heli hat, a high-tech wireless stove pipe with helicopter blades on top that promises the wearer flights of up to 12 meters up to four feet off the ground. Although for safety reasons the hat should not be used within 50 meters of any other human. In terms of items that could soon be making their way not be used within 50 meters of any other human. In terms of items that could soon be making their way into mainstream high street clothing stores near you, look no further than the snack giant Chewtiful's new jelly snake chain mail tabard, whilst fast-fashioned behemoth ephemera ties single-use self-ripping disintegrating jeans should sell big this summer. And post-Covid, the play Dr. Sheiklook is still going strong with the trend of the end times,
Starting point is 00:05:45 unveiling a new line of celebrity endorsed beaks. Look out in particular for legendary country legend, Hanks and Pettyfeather's 10 gallon beacat as worn in his video for his recent chart topper. I love you, darling, but my truck comes first. That section in the bin. Andy, I'll tell you what, I'm going to put my cards in the table. I'm lightly hung over this morning and all those fashion non-words. I was like, shit, I can't understand English anymore.
Starting point is 00:06:11 This is a problem. Wait till we start talking about the cricket. Too soon, too soon. Top story this week, the Middle East is still not fixed. It is pointing for all those who had hoped that the Middle East would have been fixed by now and who were looking to the UK Parliament to lead the way because chaos was unleashed in Westminster last week in what may go down as the most infantile parliamentary debates in the long and not especially proud history of democracy.
Starting point is 00:06:54 It's rather complicated to, we're going to sort of some international angles on this later, but in Parliament last week, the Scottish National Party were having a special day as the official opposition, because they're the third largest party, and I think it's three times every parliamentary season, essentially. They're allowed to pretend to be the actual opposition. They put forward a bill calling for an immediate ceasefire. The Labour Party proposed an amendment calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, and there was a separate government amendment calling for an immediate humanitarian pause.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Obviously, no one could agree on any of these things. There's also a parliamentary convention, unwritten of course, because we're f***ing Britain and we don't write shit like that down, that says that if a motion has been put forward by an opposition party, it can't be amended by another opposition party. The Speaker of the House of Commons, Lindsay Hoyle, who is technically a Labour MP, but is constitutionally obliged to be neutral, allowed Labour's amendment, breaking with Parliamentary Convention. So there was a second amendment, and as our American friends,
Starting point is 00:08:01 Josh, no, only two well-second amendments, always end up causing complete and utter f***ing mayhem. The result of this. Sorry, just exercising mine over here. The result, thanks to the unique blend of 18th century unwritten rules, a deeply British review is able to talk things through openly and the air conditioning in the House of Commons being set to pump out a juvenileising gas. Just in case anyone was thinking about treating such a weighty issue with the seriousness it demands was this. The Conservatives withdrew their amendments so they would take no further part in proceedings.
Starting point is 00:08:30 So Labour's amendment went through without a real vote, just a classic House of Commons bleat and thus the Scottish National Party. Motion was amended to Labour's wording without itself being voted on and everyone got very f***ing cross. Somewhere in the background, a few thousand miles away a war was still going on but that's not the most important thing. The most important thing was that Britain's parliament just descended into sub-in I mean with all due respect to your baby Alice at three weeks old I think I think he probably could have come up with a more mature
Starting point is 00:09:06 way of dealing with this issue. Did this resonate overseas? The Palestinian ambassador to the UK described the day's proceedings in parliament as being not a good day for the United Kingdom and not a good day for humanity. It kind of shows the level of childishness that was uncorked. I mean, more than that, Andy, the Palestinian ambassador said the chaos in Westminster was Britain's British politics at its lowest and given Britain's habit of drawing random lines on a map that end up in generational intercultural blood feuds. I think British politics at its lowest tends to involve marginally more cartoglu. I think the thing to remember here
Starting point is 00:09:53 is a very complex issue, Andy, and there's ceasefires and ceasefires, and some of them involve ceasing more fire than others, and others involve more blamy languages, and others are more pro-UK, and others are more anti-UK and others are more anti-UK. If you think how a ceasefire in a foreign country could possibly be related to the character of the British public, you clearly haven't met UK foreign policy.
Starting point is 00:10:20 I keep being served gentle parenting suggestions in all of my social media platforms. So I'd like to say to the combatants in this conflict is hands on your own body, hands on your own body. We don't use violence to express our feelings. Okay, let's take some time out and talk through these big feelings. I can see you're having big feelings. It's safe to have big feelings, but we don't use violence to express our feelings. So I feel like that wording should be included in some of the official ceasefire request documentation.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Josh, a lot of it does seem to come down to the semantics of ceasefires or is it ceases fire or ceases fire? I mean, we can have a whole other parliamentary debate about about that. I reckon at the UN, America vetoed a UN resolution calling for a ceasefire and instead suggested a ceasefire. So, can you explain the difference between those two terms? Yeah, so when there's a ceasefire, that's when there's a ceasing of fire. And then a ceasefire is obviously when fire ceases.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Oh, okay, right. fire is obviously when fire ceases. And yeah, the United States vetoed with the only country to veto the call for the immediate ceasefire at the UN, right? But to be fair, that was because it wasn't the ceasefire they'd proposed, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Well, look, I don't know if it's because I'm American or if it's because I'm bald, but this hair splitting is too much. if it's because I'm bald, but this hair splitting is too much. We just shouldn't be splitting hairs like that. You don't need them. Um, but it can't save me.
Starting point is 00:11:50 I'm fine. It's never a good thing when the United States is on its own on any policy. I think that's like a pretty general statement, right? We're still the only country that has kid rock and lemonade that makes you die. And so we just shouldn't be allowed to freelance like this. But the US thinks that the Israeli military should stop its military offensive.
Starting point is 00:12:20 As soon as they run out of money, we give them to buy more weapons from us. I think that's the official American ceasefire position. And in fairness, you know, a lot of people are saying that there's diplomacy going on behind the scenes. And I think Joe Biden is using his firmest possible leverage, which appears to be looking Netanyahu in the eyes and saying, cool it in his sternest voice. And so far that hasn't worked.
Starting point is 00:12:47 But yeah, maybe we could just try it for another four months and see if that bears any for you. The US National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan has said that Israel, America, Qatar and Egypt have come to an understanding on quotes, the basic contours of a deal for a temporary ceasefire. I mean, there's a strange old phrase. There's many a slip between cup and lip. And I think between the basic contours of a deal and something actually written down binding language, there seems to be that's a long way to go. Maybe a compromise can be reached and
Starting point is 00:13:26 rather than it being a ceasefire it's a lacuna, a hiatus, an instanti- stitulated interrupter, a discontinuous cessational intervilling, a tea break interval but let's hope something happens. Also this idea of a humanitarian ceasefire being different from a ceasefire. I mean most ceasefires are by their nature humanitarian or at least more humanitarian than not ceasing firing. Netanyahu himself seems to be aiming for a cease pause where he stops pausing for anything. So yeah, I mean it's hard. It's hard to see a long-term solution to this without the erasure of all human history From recent atrocities all the way back to the dawn of time. I mean, we all know that you can only
Starting point is 00:14:11 fight ceasefire with ceasefire The worst part of this is how everybody has a very strong opinion including and I'm really sorry to break this to you Andy Prince William. Yeah, Prince William has come out and said wouldn't it be nice if everyone were nice. The fighting should end as quickly as possible and that is a rookie era Prince William. Don't start actually printing. That's a terrible job for royalty in the modern world. Your job at the moment, if we've all agreed, is to go bald gracefully and eventually look good on a currency. Your job is not to make policy suggestions. That is a quick route towards guillotine.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Just keep it to yourself. Look, this is my thing with Prince William too, is I don't know if I trust him to bring about an international treaty when he can't even strike an accord with his own brother and sister-in-law. Get your own house in order, buddy. You gotta model that behavior, yeah. That is a fair call, that is a fair call. So basically what you're saying is if Prince William and Prince Harry
Starting point is 00:15:17 can reach a rapprochement, then world peace, eternal world peace will break out. I'm just saying then I'll listen to what he has to say about it. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. But it was described as chaos in parliament and the House of Commons is more than accustomed to putting the bark into debacle and they certainly did bark at each other like the most idiotic dogs you've ever heard. But chaos is the type of chaos that proved chaos theory. The idea that if a butterfly flaps its wings in Brazil, it will inevitably spark a chain of events that leads directly to members
Starting point is 00:15:53 of parliament in Westminster bickering in partisan self-interest and hiding their ongoing failures behind the smoke screen of parliamentary convention. That's just the way the universe works. Solution, kill all the butterflies in Brazil. That's far easier than making Westminster grow up. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha of Trident in the Atlantic Ocean. And rather than soaring into the skies to demonstrate the glorious British manner in which we could bring death, devastation, and long-term uninhabitability to the lands of our enemies,
Starting point is 00:16:32 the test missile went according to a source, plop, into the sea a few meters away from the sun. That was the term used, it went plop. I mean, that's about as badly as a nuclear test launch can go, plop, really. That's so far from kaboom as to be almost, I mean, genuinely embarrassing for us as a nation. Was the world laughing at Britain's ploppy missiles? I mean, Andy, they always say it's not how far the missile goes. It's the explosion in the ocean that counts.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And in this instance, it was none. It's shameful and embarrassing. Once you've ruled the waves now, Andy, all you can do is go plop into the waves. Which is very sad. You are much diminished as a nation. I think there are worse outcomes than Plop for a missile test. I think bright you want Kaboom. Plop is bad, but you don't want to hear whoops.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I think that's where there's real trouble, right? It's it's rough. This is tough because like can't hit the ocean with a missile. Sounds like a metaphor you'd use for saying someone has tragically bad aim. Right. Like a baseball player like that guy can't hit the hit the ocean with a missile sounds like a metaphor you'd use for saying someone has tragically bad aim. Like a baseball player like, oh, that guy can't hit the hit the ocean with a missile stew. What do you think about that?
Starting point is 00:17:50 He's really got the yips. Not to quibble right at the gate. Trident, not an intimidating name for a nuclear missile. First of all, even as a weapon, it's just for poking. And here in the United States, our biggest association with Trident is sugar-free gum, which isn't even scary to teeth. If I were the Navy, I think you can spin this, right? I don't think you, I think you don't want to let it sound like failure. You want to use the erratic functionality of the missiles
Starting point is 00:18:25 to work to your advantage, like a 90s action movie villain, just John Leguiozamo going, I don't even know if this missile fires, but you don't wanna test me, I'm local, bro. I feel like that was a line from Spawn. Just kind of a racially problematic dialogue. I'm truly devastated by this, Andy.
Starting point is 00:18:44 It's the most disappointing news in British naval warfare since Sir Francis Drake turned out not to be a duck. Well also, I mean, it's, it's, oh for two and it's last two test firings tried. The last one was eight years ago also fell. So now you really worry about the confidence of Britain's nuclear deterrent And you know, how do you build it back up when it's you know had two such public public failures? You know, is it gonna just yeah What when when it comes to the big day and we actually have to use our nuclear deterrent? I mean is it going to you know step up to the plate or is it now broken and we would need to go back to just
Starting point is 00:19:24 Painting ourselves blue and trying to make people think it's colder in Britain than it actually is to deter them from coming work with the Romans for a while. Well after after two fairly public humiliations, there's only one thing to do. You got to get the missile on dancing with the stars. That's gonna get that's gonna rehabilitate the image. Just let it dance with Dua Lipa or Rita Ora against them. It doesn't even have to win. Just give it a sympathetic face. Even more worryingly, our Defense Secretary Grant Shaps,
Starting point is 00:19:59 those are four words that really should never have come in that sequence. He insisted insisted Trident remains effective and those words coming out of Grant Shaps' mouth are extremely worrying for a nation looking for some kind of reinsurance. But also what I worry about with people saying things like this, that you know they're saying it's still going to work and you know this was just a test and saying it's still effective, I worry that telling these nuclear missiles they're effective even when they fail is not the right way to go about it. You don't give a nuke a special medal just for turning up and trying telling them they're all
Starting point is 00:20:34 winners even if they fail their tests. We're turning them soft I tell you they'll be eating avocados and changing pronouns before you can say Oppenheimer. It's a f***ing disgrace. More from my new Daily Telegraph column next week. I mean Trident Remains Effective is also the note that Poseidon writes in his diary the night after he picks up. Also, more worrying, Trident had a seven-year refit at the submarine. I don't know what that entails on the submarine. More trendy interior decor, a slightly tweaked external look to make it less attractive to
Starting point is 00:21:09 whales, possibly. There have been a few incidents, not all whales, of course, just whales with a bit of a thing for what they perceive as robot whales. A few unseemly incidents have occurred. The rumor is that more than a few whale dicks have got a little bit too mobi in the vicinity of nuclear submarines, not judging them, not blaming them, it's just not ideal. If I trying only testing it every eight years doesn't really sound like they care if it works right? Like I'm thinking about the things I only try every eight years and that's yeah, like every eight years I try liquor and I'm like nope still no
Starting point is 00:21:43 Like every eight years I try liquor and I'm like, nope, still no. To be fair though, Josh, you don't want it to be a regular occurrence that you're like, let's nuke the ocean. You know, that I think you say for special occasions. Every two leap years. I mean, the thought occurs to me often and often. Oh, let's up some whales, but I don't act on that thought. Well, I think we should at, but I don't act on that thought. Well, I think we should, at least if we're going to keep having failed nuclear missile tests, we should every eight years, we should rename leap years to block. Bugle murder mystery section now, while this is a new feature in the Bugle, a special murder mystery feature for you, Buglers.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Can you decode the clues, unravel the subterfuge, and solve the crime? Just shout out your answer as soon as you think you know who did it. Here we go. The scene is Russia. Oh, you got it already, did he? Well done, yes, it was.
Starting point is 00:22:40 It was, it was fun to be a Putin. This is a dark, dark, dark story. The Kremlin-Gremlin, it was, it was fun to be Putin. This is a dark, dark, dark story. The Kremlin, Gremlin, of course, has been quite open in his online dating profile. His likes include warmongering, taking his shirt off on a horse, and extrajudicial slangs of political opponents. But the killing of Alexei Navalny, a man of extraordinary courage, quirky humor, and robust defiance, has emphasized that Putin remains, how can I put this as generally as possible, a very hard man
Starting point is 00:23:12 to warm to as a character. The Russians have insisted this is that he died of natural causes. I mean, neither of you are qualified doctors, I think I'm right in saying, but do you dispute that? Sorry, Josh. It does feel like years of political dissidence in Russia. Naturally, someone is going to murder you. So like that is kind of the classic logic framing around that. I think you're right, right? People guessed Putin right away. If if there was a game called Myrtle, which is like wordle for who did
Starting point is 00:23:54 murder to a Russian political dissident, your starter word every day would be five letters and it would always it would green, green, green, green across the top. I bet you could sell it for millions of pounds. I feel like Natural causes in Russia does include suicide by political dissent. It's like the classic ruling of Rasputin's death of old age Putin just keeps putting the wrong man into strong man Depressing and so foreseeable. And to be honest, I am surprised it didn't happen earlier. I don't know why it took this long,
Starting point is 00:24:34 but it is being incredibly depressing. Navalny's widow Yulia is vowing to continue his fight. His mother is petitioning to get his body back. It is so incredibly upsetting for a man who was recklessly brave in the face of, let's be honest, one of the kindiest kinds that ever happened. Polinitically speaking. Someday history books will say it that way.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I mean, it is, as you said, the world's most easily solvable who done it because it's not really a who done it. It's more who made it quite clear over several years he was going to do it and then eventually done it. And I guess Russian political cluedo is a strange get a huge board, lots of different possible weapons, but only one suspect. And looking at this from a sports fans point of view, I'm starting to feel the inkling of a hint of suspicion that giving the Winter Olympics and the men's football World Cup to Russia has not proved quite the civilizing influence on Putin that sports idealists had been hoping. And that's very, maybe we just didn't give him enough sporting
Starting point is 00:25:43 events. If only we'd given him the World Bowl championship, the master start, the master start, some golf wouldn't even have been golf dodgiest deal. And what the heck, let's throw in Derbyshire versus Glamorgan from Cricket's Counter Championship, perhaps then he might have been satiated, but it hasn't worked. To be fair, the football had a good impact because he's gone, look, no hands. I speaking of sports, I think it's so beautiful that Navalny's widow, Yulia, says she was going to keep fighting for a free Russia in his memory. I wish that I had a fight that noble for my wife to carry on in the event of my death, which
Starting point is 00:26:19 is not unlikely. If I die, not for murder, I just eat a lot of fine foods. If I die, I just hope that my wife continues to cheer for the Boston Celtics and to never go to that one restaurant in the neighborhood that always gets my order wrong. And I know it probably isn't personal, but it feels personal. Just write it down.
Starting point is 00:26:40 And that's all I'm leaving as a torch for my wife to bear. One person who this might prove to be good news for is Joe Biden, because Biden called Putin a crazy puppy. Sorry, a crazy son of a bitch. I'm always getting those two terms mixed up. Easy mistake to make. But and the Kremlin responded. He actually said he called Putin a crazy SOB. And the Kremlin said, a very
Starting point is 00:27:06 chatty for a building the Kremlin, by the way, not in a good way. The Kremlin accused Biden of attempting to appear like quotes, a Hollywood cowboy. Now, Josh, is this not the biggest boost Biden has had in his reelection campaign, given that America has a bit of a track record for voting for Hollywood cowboys in presidential elections? Yeah, this is huge. I mean, like Joe Biden's whole appeal is that you remember that maybe he used to be a Hollywood Cowboy, right? He is kind of a Democrat who stands there vaguely
Starting point is 00:27:36 evoking Ronald Reagan in terms of his disposition. And that's what people like about him. He does have that kind of charm. Um, yeah I so hope I mean look it's it's a tough Election, but sure we have the Hollywood cowboy versus the Hollywood Game show host and and I think we'll see what people prefer Well on the met the the subject of the US election Donald Trump the future president and or inmate has movingly
Starting point is 00:28:06 compared himself with Alexei Navalny despite still being alive. He was talking about his raft of legal cases. His raft doesn't seem quite appropriate. 400 meters long ocean liner stacked the absolute gunnels with shipping containers full of legal cases. That seems more appropriate. But he described it as a form of nevalny, what he sees as his legal persecution. It's a form of communism or fascism, covering a few bases there. He might as well have got it was so nonsensical to compare to nevalny, communism or fascism. He might as well have gone on and said it's a form of bench or watermelon or wrestling But anyway, he compared himself to a Lexane of that. Can you see any similarities at all between Trump and Nevada either of you? I'll take that as a no. No, that's the correct answer Andy there is there is nothing more telling than the silence of two comedians who are saying not only no, but no so hard that we can't find a funny way to say no.
Starting point is 00:29:11 I think he is just quoting one of his favorite songs, which he let me feel to sing a couple bars. When they say you're a thief, but you're commander-in-chief. That's no ball That makes truly as much sense as what he said it honestly sounds like a backup plan for if he loses in November a Disney plus show called that's so Navalny about a family of political dissidents learning to make it in the big city In what other exciting Trump news Josh. He, he's launched a new footwear range. Yes. Gold trainers for $400 called Never Surrender trainers. Have you tried them yet?
Starting point is 00:29:57 Have you bought a pair of Trump? You know, I haven't been able to get my hands on a pair and I'm a pretty big sneaker guy. So I haven't heard great, you know, great things about them. It is a Trump has a signature sneaker. I call or as I call them the hopefully he'll never again fly on Air Force wands. I think he's a savvy marketer, right? That's the one thing that Trump has an unimpeachable skill in literally is that he is a savvy marketer and he sensed a void.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Now that Kanye West doesn't have a deal with Adidas, there was a hole in the Nazi sympathizer market sector. And so he filled that hole. He launched the shoe at sneaker con in Philadelphia and the shoes, if you've seen them, are gold and have an American flag pattern on them. And he figured that the people at Philadelphia sneaker con would be into overrated gold colored garbage just because of how sight they are still about the Liberty Bell.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Take that Philadelphia. And I feel totally comfortable saying that because I was just in your city and have no plans to come there again. The perfect time to talk shit about a place 50 miles away. The UK has also responded strongly to the killing of Navalny and has put bracer cells buglers travel sanctions on bosses of Russian prisons. I mean, this is a brutal blow to the UK tourism industry, but you just have to do what's right, regardless of the impact it has.
Starting point is 00:31:24 And estimates estimate that it could cost the British tourism industry up to zero pounds in lost income over the next decade. The bugle would also like to add to the wave of condemnation by banning Vladimir Putin from listening to the show or attending any of our live shows on our forthcoming UK tour, starting this coming Friday, the first of March in Glasgow, the third in Norwich, ninth in Cambridge, tenth in Birmingham, sixteenth in Warwick, at the Warwick Arts Centre, 24th in Leeds, 28th in Edinburgh, and the 30th of March at the Lowry in Salford. Both Josh and Alice will be joining me in Cambridge remotely and on other dates of the tour we start in Glasgow with Josie Long and Anuvaapal and Norwich has Felicity Ward and Anuvaapal.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Do come to all of those shows, details at the Mughal podcast. What are we talking about? Oh, yes, a brutal assassination. Sorry, I started quite mastered at the best way to promote things. I'm quite mastered at the best way to promote things. Not traveling, travel news now. And well, if the world is wearing you down, an opportunity has arisen for you to escape the world by pretending to escape the world. NASA, the celebrity American Space Agency, is seeking volunteers to take part in a year-long simulation of a mission to Mars. The simulated Mars mission will take place in a 3D printout, not of the whole of the planet Mars, but of a bit of Mars, etc. set to not take off next year. And NASA is looking for four people to spend 12 months pretending to be Matt Damon pretending to be a scientist in a 3D replica printed Martian landscape. Either of you going to apply?
Starting point is 00:33:14 Look, Andy, I first of all, I couldn't possibly do it because I don't think they'd make a space suit small enough for my newborn baby. Although I would like occasionally to tell my toddler in space, no one can hear you scream. But I do try that. I can't understand screen language, which only works sporadically. The point is, Andy, I feel like what this should be is either a reality TV show or a very expensive celebrity detox program or possibly both. What I want to see is beautiful people strung out on withdrawal symptoms pretending to eat dehydrated food packets in zero gravity. That's all I want. That's all I want. I just don't think this is such a good idea in general for a couple reasons. You can't just
Starting point is 00:34:09 ask people to live on a fake planet, right? If you want someone to live temporarily under completely dubious circumstances, you cast them on a season of The Bachelor or The Bachelor. And I think that's what we need to do here. We just have it more mirroring the Bachelor franchise because we need to prepare ourselves as a species for Martians to tell us, I don't think you're here for the right reasons. That's what they're going to say when we get there. I honestly think like why even set up a fake Mars? Like the way things are going on earth, NASA would have just as good a shot getting volunteers
Starting point is 00:34:46 if they just asked for people who were like, f*** it, I've seen the way things are going, send me to actual space. I know I could die, that's the draw, that's what I'm hoping for. Well, of course, I mean, whenever there's space travel, so there are conspiracy theories.
Starting point is 00:34:59 You know, was Eurogagarin actually a dog in a human outfit? Did Alan Sheppard actually play golf on the moon or was the sound recording of someone shouting, get in the hole? Actually his crewmate and caddy, Edgar Mitchell shouting at aliens to hide underground. Otherwise they'd give away what they'd actually found there. So of course many people assume this is some kind
Starting point is 00:35:19 of conspiracy and that it's not actually a simulation in Texas, it's actually gonna take place on real Mars. It's just very hard to know what the truth is anymore. That's right, this could all be Stanley Kubrick faking this whole thing on a soundstage on Mars itself. That part of this conspiracy is Stanley Kubrick is still alive. The recruitment advert says candidates applying
Starting point is 00:35:42 must enjoy fancy dress, red rocks, powdered food food not going for long walks and being able to Pretend to have gained a new perspective on life after being in space and seeing how small we are in the grand scheme of things So do apply Yeah, that's some that's some classic astronaut You've never been in the ocean or on a mountain You don't feel small all the time? Must be nice, astronaut. Not constantly thinking about your own insignificance.
Starting point is 00:36:11 No, also pretending to be surprised by being small in the face of the vastness of space. You're a f***ing astronaut. Surely you've studied this shit. Yeah. You're like, ah, you know, one thing they don't teach you in astronaut school is how big space is. I thought it was going to be like a football stadium. That's the size I was expecting for space. You can't understand it until you see it. I've got a screen so that I can see what it looks like. I've looked up.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It's all space. Oh, I feel so small. Whatever you loser. You didn't feel infinite and powerful. Leaving Earth's atmosphere like so long suckers. Flipping double birds. You felt small for the first time. God. Astronauts.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I'm going to blow your mind. We're all in space right now. That's right. That's right. We're the same size here as you are on the moon, dumbass. I've, I've even met bigger people than that. That made me feel small. That's, I, I, that's how I feel after every pickup basketball game I've ever played.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Like, wow, I just thought I was going to do something. I just felt so small by the end. I didn't need to go to space to feel small. I just needed to do a Christmas gig at the Manchester comedy store. And then. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Um.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Ha ha ha ha. Tell you how you can feel a lot smaller very quickly, Andy, is a squeezer 4.1 kilogram baby at his time. Ha ha ha ha. No, I understand. OK, there you go. Thanks for the tip. Oh.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Oh. No, I don't get it. Go. Thanks for the tip. Dead owl news now. Show some respect. This is a very sad, sad story. Flacco the owl. Is it Flacco or Flaco? Flacco the owl. Not to be confused with Joe Flacco, the quarterback who by coincidence can also turn his head through almost 360 degrees and has a wingspan of 170 centimeters. Flacco the owl has sadly died. The Eurasian Eagle owl, Eurasia is it now, we got out just in time before Brussels expanded to take in Pyongyang. Anyway, the Eurasian eagle owl was busted to freedom early last year after vandals vandalized as vandal so often do his cell at Central Park Zoo, enabling Flacco to escape from his 13-year confinement.
Starting point is 00:38:36 The famously flat-faced Strigiform Stunner has lived on his wits ever since, outsmarting the authorities and living as a renegade lone wolf but an owl ever since feeding on rats, hot dogs, health shakes, superfood salads and our sheen occasional canishes from Yonah Shimmel's canischery in Lower Eastside. Until this week, and Josh I know this is rocked New York to its core, in a heroic attempt to strike a blow for mother nature against the destructiveness of the Anthropocene era and the excesses of capitalism. Flacco tried to smash a building to pieces with his albic and suffered a terminal de-allment. It was a very sad story. It's tough. The people of New York are taking it hard. And it honestly doesn't seem like Flacco's personality to fly face first into a building and die
Starting point is 00:39:26 This is the first time he's ever done it people are suspicious They're expecting they they're suspecting that this bird death may involve some foul play and the only question is who? Who who done it? No? No, I'm saying yes Alice. I'm saying Well, it's due to one yes, I'm that joke. mean, I didn't like it, but I did say it. So that's a yes vote. It is flakko after his enclosure is vandalized last year, who fled the Central Park Zoo as many New Yorkers do flee their dwellings in a search for more square footage. He's been on the loose, capturing the hearts and rats
Starting point is 00:40:06 on the city. And it's, I think there's something so beautiful about New Yorkers grief. People are saying, why are you sad about an owl and there's so much human misery and death in the world? And I just think there's a purity to this grief because no one is posting pictures on Instagram of the one time they met flacco the owl that the owl probably
Starting point is 00:40:29 doesn't even remember just being like flacco you meant so much to me. You taught me how to be weird, etc, etc. And I think that's beautiful. Finally, a celebrity death that people can't make about themselves because they've never met an owl. that people can't make about themselves because they've never met an owl. Wait one minute, because there's an artist here in this ABC News article that I'm reading
Starting point is 00:40:51 who says that he says the bird gave him artistic inspiration and he found parallels between his and Flacco's plights to survive in a new world. The quote here is he says, for me it's more the story of an immigrant or someone not from the city. And then he flies free and finds his instincts to trust himself and survive.
Starting point is 00:41:12 He said that people doubted Flacco's ability to survive in the big city. A city that is from all reports full of garbage and rats. Two of Owl's favorite things. But that's it, right? When you hear this guy trying to make it about himself with an owl, that's like, you're like, bullshit. But if he said that about David Bowie, you'd be like, oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:41:34 that's kind of sweet. It's all bullshit. But it's quite impressive that Flacco managed to escape recapture for over a year. He almost blew his cover when appearing as a guest pundit on a network news channel. Suspicions arising when he provided an unusually balanced and lucid analysis of American politics prompting internet sleuths to suspect
Starting point is 00:41:53 that he was not an American human. So it's quite impressive that he lasted this long. And I mean, his death does bring into focus a big issue in the States that officials estimate that up to a billion birds every year die flying into buildings. And there's a huge imbalance there between humans and birds because nowhere near a billion humans die, for example, trying to twist their next 360 degrees or live not only up a tree. So, you know, it's all weighted. Or poop but they're not weighted. Or poop out their mouths.
Starting point is 00:42:25 It's weighted against the owls, sadly. As a response to this death event of Flack of the Owl, Mayor Eric Adams has touchingly allocated $200 million for the NYPD budget, so this doesn't happen again. So I think that's really special. It took it away from libraries and public schools, but I think that's finally that no owl will ever die in New York City is what Eric Adams said in a manner that was alleged to be cocaine.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Not that the marathon cocaine, just that he says the kind of things that you would say if you were. Well, that brings us to the end of this week's Bugle Story to anyone such as Sad, a tragic story about Flacco, Flacco the Al, and you know, just if you do see an escaped Al from a zoo, please send it our sincere condolences and support for the escape to Alcumnus. And if you are devastated about the death of Flacco, if you are really sad about it, remember his legs are way longer and more scary than you think they are. Yeah, he's creepier than you think, people. As I mentioned earlier on, don't forget to come to the Beagle Live tour shows starting this Friday in Glasgow. Alice, do you have anything to plug other than your new baby's mouth every now and again when it meets me?
Starting point is 00:43:54 We have special goggles that are still coming out every week. We've prerecorded a bunch. My Patreon is still running. I still do weekly writers meetings at the moment with guest hosts. So go over to patreon.com slash Alice Fraser to support my work generally and my maternity leave specifically. You can also get all of my stand-up specials there for free. So if that's a thing that you want to do, if you're like, oh, I'd like one of Alice's many stand up specials. You can instead of paying money for them, you can pay less money. So then it's good deal. I just watched the two new ones a couple of weeks ago, and they're so wonderful. I was so thrilled that I was finally able to to get them on my computer.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I like really love them. It was a wonderful time. I think people should do it. Just you're to plug anything of your own as well. I'm not on maternity leave, but I am generally unsuccessful. So I'm making quick. Every Monday, I put out a new newsletter via email called That's Marvelous, joshcondlman.substack.com.
Starting point is 00:44:55 I'm on the road a bunch leading up to my new special taping. So this weekend, the first and second of March, I will be in St. Paul, Minnesota. And then coming up, I'm just going to run through them at the end of this month, Bloomington. Paul, Minnesota and then coming up I'm just gonna run through them at the end of this month Bloomington, Indiana then New Orleans then San Francisco Seattle Portland Burlington Vermont so I'm all over the place I would love to see you out on the road it's so nice when buglers come and visit I've got some new stand-up up on my social medias JoshGondelman. JoshGondelman.com for all the tour dates and ticket info. I did make jokes earlier, but I am obviously a fan of making it all of me as a subjective human.
Starting point is 00:45:34 I think that is what we all do and that's okay. And I just did it. So there you go, Buglers. Thank you very much for listening. Don't forget, if you want to join the Bugle Voluntary subscription scheme to give a one-off or a current contribution to keep the show free, flourishing an independent go to the buglepodcast.com and click the donate button and subscribers will receive exclusive access to the monthly Ask and the show. The latest edition has just gone live for our subscribers, so shown which I answer, a selected number of all of your questions. See you at the tour dates the next few weeks. We'll be highlights of Bugle Live shows.
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